and if so, what would that look like? on my panel tonight, i've got not one, but two lawmakers, and i'm fascinated to ask them why has this not happened already? what about the australians, by the way? do you reckon they had the right idea with their operation sovereign borders when they handed things over military to try and borders when they handed things ove it military to try and borders when they handed things ove it sorted nilitary to try and borders when they handed things ove it sorted outary to try and borders when they handed things ove it sorted out ando try and borders when they handed things ove it sorted out and parkingj get it sorted out and parking fines are going to be increased apparently so that they are more of a deterrent to us all. i can't help but notice, though, that many councils are struggling for cash . howie struggling for cash. howie mercer is basically being fleeced and being used as atms to try and plug the holes in those councils, which many of them have caused by their own mismanaged amount. and did you see the situation around the pride book yesterday ? it was all pride book yesterday? it was all kicking off. i'll be talking to the mum who had to withdraw her child from the nursery due to some of the content that was in that book. on the flip side, though, people are saying, calm down, it's you, the down, everybody. it's you, the aduh down, everybody. it's you, the adult that sees sexual ized imagery. when you see a guy in

leather , is it you tell me. leather, is it you tell me. we've got it all coming up tonight. but before we get into it, let's get the news headlines as . i'm it, let's get the news headlines as. i'm rhiannon jones is in the newsroom . newsroom. >> a former natwest chief executive, dame alison rose, is set to receive a £24 million pay set to receive a £24 million pay package a month after quitting, dame alison resigned following the row over the closure of nigel farage's bank account , but closure of nigel farage's bank account, but is closure of nigel farage's bank account , but is still working account, but is still working her 12 month notice period in investigations into her actions are still ongoing after she admitted discussing personal banking details with a journalist. the company says it will continue to review her planned pay and bonus payouts based on its findings . gb news based on its findings. gb news nigel farage has labelled it a sick joke . sick joke. >> my own subject access request that i put into natwest to find out what she knew about what was

going on. after 30 days, i was told, we can't give it to you, mr farage. it's complex. that will come back at the end of october. and so what's happened is they've agreed to give her the payout before we get the results of the inquiry. and frankly, i think the whole thing is a sick joke. >> a lawyer for the parents of babies attacked by convicted killer lucy letby says they were fobbed off by a hospital boss. the former medical director of the countess of chester hospital , ian harvey, has been accused of shamefully failing to address their concerns. he's since apologised for not communicating more fully at the time. meanwhile the health secretary, steve barclay , says he'll engage steve barclay, says he'll engage with the victims families ahead of the government inquiry. we'll ensure that the legal framework for that has the full confidence of the families affected and i'll be engaging with them on that, whether that's on a statutory or non—statutory basis to ensure that inquiry, looking

at issues such as whistleblowers and other actions related to this case are fully investigated . a woman and her ex—boyfriend have been convicted of murdering a man she met on a dating app. michael hillier told the court that he and his girlfriend, rachel fulstow , planned to rachel fulstow, planned to attack liam smith after she claimed he'd raped her. hillier admitted manslaughter but denied murder. mr smith was shot in the face before acid was poured over him outside his home in wigan last year . the pair will be last year. the pair will be sentenced tomorrow . south sentenced tomorrow. south yorkshire police has referred itself to the information watchdog after losing nearly three years worth of body cam footage. the force , which footage. the force, which discovered a significant and unexplained reduction in data stored on its computer system from july 2020, says its deeply sorry it's now trying to recover the footage, which could be used as evidence in court. an estimated 69 cases could

potentially be affected and a police officer has been jailed for 19 months for voyeurism . for 19 months for voyeurism. alexander hindmarsh, who resigned from west midlands police , covertly recorded men in police, covertly recorded men in pubuc police, covertly recorded men in public toilets and showers over a two year period. the 32 year old who pleaded guilty to the offences, has been ordered to register as a sex offender. experts are hailing the uk's first womb transplant as a medical milestone . a 34 year old medical milestone. a 34 year old woman in england received the organ from her older sister and is now planning to undergo ivf later this year. the operation at the churchill hospital in oxford took around 17 hours and around 50 babies have been born worldwide following room transplant . its lead surgeon, transplant. its lead surgeon, professor richard smith, says the operation was a huge success.i the operation was a huge success. i think probably the most stressful or stressful week of our surgical careers, but also unbelievably positive in

the outcome and the donor and recipient just over the moon really over the moon. >> well, certainly excited about the next one. and just really happy that we've got a donor who's completely back to normal after her big op and a recipient after her big op and a recipient after her big op and a recipient after her big op who's doing really well on on her immunosuppressive therapy and looking forward to getting to having a baby . having a baby. >> extreme weather continues to fuel wildfires in eastern europe . crews have been struggling to control fires in northern greece a day after 18 bodies thought to be migrants were discovered. helicopters are being used to drop water on the forest fire. hundreds of people have been evacuated from areas across the country since saturday. in north west turkey, footage shows firefighters driving past walls of flames as 1200 people have been evacuated from nine

villages there . and india has villages there. and india has become the first nation to land near the moon's south pole . the near the moon's south pole. the exact . lander module , the exact. lander module, the history making chandra sian three is hoping to find samples of water based ice on its mission, which scientists say could support human habitation. the country is only the fourth to achieve a soft landing on the satellite. prime minister narendra modi called it the victory cry of a new india. the uk space agency has congratulated the indian space research organisation on its success. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaken digital radio and on your smart speaker. by simply saying play gb news now it's back to . michelle >> thanks for that. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 today alongside me miss summer

herself. we've just been describing her as baroness claire fox, the director of the academy of ideas. i said you look very glamorous. you said you look very summery and indeed you look very summery and indeed you do. i definitely did not look out of the window before i got dressed today in my thick, black knitted dress. >> always look glamorous. >> you always look glamorous. >> you always look glamorous. >> i was >> i don't know what i was thinking because it is quite warm. didn't look out your warm. you didn't look out your window either. where's your rainbow? nice tie that you wear when summery. well when it's nice and summery. well that's point. that's a good point. >> i've worn a red >> i've worn. i've worn a red tie today. didn't realise that tie today. i didn't realise that to match his fox going to match his lady fox was going to match his lady fox was going to brian. to be brian. >> that some serious >> yes, that is some serious coordination. also match coordination. you also match perfectly your telephone perfectly with your telephone case, which viewers probably can't see, but there is a perfect match. there you go. perfect match going on. that's what i like. that's daniel moylan, the conservative peer in the lords. you know the the house of lords. you know the drill. don't on this drill. don't you, on this program? it's just about us. program? it's not just about us. it's much about you guys at it's very much about you guys at home. your mind home. what's on your mind tonight? gb views gbnews.com is how you get a hold of me. or of

course you can tweet me at gb news. if you just tuned in. it's all coming. your way tonight. i want talk about the channel want to talk about the channel crossings not crossings and whether or not there be a national there should be a national emergency this country. emergency in this country. i want to ask councils keep want to ask why councils keep fleecing cash. is it fleecing us for cash. is it because they are so diabolical at managing own money? you at managing their own money? you get in touch and tell me your thoughts and also that weird situation with the pride book, which features grown man which features a grown man wearing leather bits and pieces aimed at four years old. that book what on earth is going on? i'll be talking to the mom. she'll be joining me in the studio, actually, who took her child out of nursery because she was uncomfortable with the was so uncomfortable with the content book. but content of that book. but tonight's story, the books tonight's top story, the books they keep on coming, of course, across the channel, about 19,000 people have crossed this year. and i do have to caveat that, by the way, because that's the only the way, because that's the only the people that we know of, the people that we've been processing. i dread think processing. i dread to think what the figure is. we go what the real figure is. we go round in circles, we? we round in circles, don't we? we ask, do we do about it ? ask, what do we do about it? now, i have to say, don't know

now, i have to say, i don't know if you some of the content if you saw some of the content that was floating around on social play it social media. now i will play it for you just in case you didn't see it yourself. look at this . see it yourself. look at this. so basically, would call this so basically, i would call this it's like a promotional video for these guys advertising their journey to the uk , looking what journey to the uk, looking what i would call rather relaxed and chilled out in a very nice bed , chilled out in a very nice bed, which looks like a hotel room , which looks like a hotel room, nice and happy, grinning away , nice and happy, grinning away, smiling, a really good advert , smiling, a really good advert, actually, to anyone else that's sitting in france thinking to myself, shall i get on that dinghy or not? now, when you've got this situation and you are literally being laughed at, if you ask me, you've got to start looking, thinking outside the box to how earth you get box as to how on earth you get a grip of this situation in australia. some say that australia. some would say that there perhaps had figured it all out some time ago. they out quite some time ago. they had something called operation in borders. now in sovereign borders. now joining me is the former shadow secretary—general of victoria, australia , tim smith. good australia, tim smith. good

evening . thank you forjoining evening. thank you for joining us. just briefly, tim, you guys in australia, you didn't declare a national emergency , but you a national emergency, but you did create a military led operation called operation sovereign borders. just describe it to my viewers. please >> good evening, mayor, and good evening to your viewers around the united kingdom. very simply , operation sovereign borders was run by an army general with authority over the navy to turn around boats when safe to do so , to return illegal migrant that had come from indonesia back to indonesian waters when safe to do so and to process less illegal migrants offshore in nauru and manus island . in nauru and manus island. in virtually all cases . and if virtually all cases. and if these asylum seekers were found to be legitimate refugees , some to be legitimate refugees, some of them made their way to australia, the vast majority did not. the vast majority were either sent back to where they had originally come from or were sent to a third country and this

worked . and i can tell you why worked. and i can tell you why it worked because the labour party opposed this when they were in government between two thousand and seven and 2013. they won the election last year and they haven't changed the conservatives approach to border security since coming to government last year. so, you know, when the left of politics supports a conservative plan because it works , you know that because it works, you know that there's no more politics in this in australia. it's settled policy it's bipartisan in. policy and it's bipartisan in. and just wonder the and i just wonder what the politicians have been in politicians have been doing in this country given that 45,000 people illegally people turned up here illegally last that figure to me is last year. that figure to me is just unacceptable. >> well, i think it's unacceptable a of the unacceptable to a lot of the viewers, the answer to it viewers, but the answer to it really divide so really does divide opinion. so one key components that one of the key components that you had australia was the you had in australia was the push back, the turn back. many people this country people will say in this country that we should be that that's what we should be doing. second have doing. but the second you have that conversation in that kind of conversation in many immediately and many people, immediately and perhaps would say perhaps some would say understandably, because they would concern is to would say their concern is to save in the channel but

save lives in the channel but many people would say it's inhumane to that turn back inhumane to do that turn back operation is it the number one way of stopping drownings in the channelis way of stopping drownings in the channel is deterrence . channel is deterrence. >> when labour were in power in australia between two thousand and seven and 2013, in 1200 people tragically drowned , people tragically drowned, making the dangerous crossing from indonesia to australia. what you have to do is stop people from getting on the boat in the first place. and the only way you do that is by smashing the people smugglers business model is to say that model and that is to say that their clients economic their clients are economic migrants in many cases from albania will not settle in the united kingdom. they will be returned to albania or returned to a return to a third country which is safe . and they will which is safe. and they will never , ever settle in the uk. never, ever settle in the uk. that's the only way to do it. now turning back boats is a very good way of sending a message to future asylum seekers that you won't make it to britain or australia. there's this one slight difference between the

channel seas between indonesia . channel seas between indonesia. >> oh no, he was just about to get to the piece de resistance. we lost him. is he there? that's an empty chair. that is a cushion, in fact, that is definitely not him. he's still there. tim i'm here. yes, carry on. you were just about to say the key difference. tell me. >> key difference is that >> the key difference is that there's a few hundred kilometres of between indonesia and of ocean between indonesia and australia, and i think it's 17 of ocean between indonesia and austraat, and i think it's 17 of ocean between indonesia and austraat thed i think it's 17 of ocean between indonesia and austra at the closest< it's 17 of ocean between indonesia and austra at the closest point i7 miles at the closest point between france and britain. so there's lot more, i suppose there's a lot more, i suppose there's a lot more, i suppose there are many more opportunities to turn boats around way from indonesia around on the way from indonesia to are in to australia than there are in the channel and particular clearly you're dealing with clearly when you're dealing with french waters french sovereign waters and let's face it, the french are not being particularly helpful or sympathetic to britain's situation the moment. we had situation at the moment. we had a relationship with a terrific relationship with indonesia . they accepted that indonesia. they accepted that what going on was dangerous. what was going on was dangerous. it was wrong and they accepted us turning boats around and sending them back to indonesia. the face it , are the french, let's face it, are being obstructive and indeed i suspect are trying to undermine

british policy. >> well , british policy. >> well, interesting british policy. >> well , interesting stuff. >> well, interesting stuff. there you go. thank you very much. that that's tim smith there with with it insight. what they did in australia. claire fox , what i don't understand in fox, what i don't understand in this country is why can't we declare a state of emergency? because in my mind and you two are the lawmakers ears, so i'm sure you're going to educate me, but why if we if we declare there's a state of emergency now, we've lost control . well, now, we've lost control. well, everyone knows you've lost control. this government has lost of this situation. lost control of this situation. so a state of emergency. you can now things perhaps like now do things perhaps like introduce , use turn back introduce, use a turn back policies and like that if policies and things like that if indeed the government wanted to do so. >> $- e the first of all, >> well, the first of all, i can't stand the rhetoric of state emergency . can't stand the rhetoric of state emergency. i mean, state of emergency. i mean, every time you look, there's a kind and there's been kind of crisis and there's been these every council in the in these every council in the in the land now seems to declared that there's a climate emergency and so i think that there's a danger that it just becomes a declaration without a policy. so that's the first thing. >> do you think it is an >> do you not think it is an emergency when you've got like

hundreds of guys hundreds and hundreds of guys just randomly? hundreds and hundreds of guys justi'midomly? hundreds and hundreds of guys justi'm not|ly? hundreds and hundreds of guys justi'm not suggesting >> i'm not suggesting complacency we complacency in terms of what we do about i'm just worried do about it. i'm just worried that calling national that just calling for a national emergency legislation. the emergency legislation. and the other there is danger other thing is there is a danger when that, then there's when you have that, then there's no control over what no democratic control over what gets done. so i'm quite keen on not just giving the government bit a carte blanche to do anything i think they could do with the laws that they have now. a lot more than they are doing. i think there is a real problem of an ambivalence. you described it yourself about what to do and people not you know, there's a kind of split in the political classes about how to tackle this issue . and i can tackle this issue. and i can completely sympathise with people. i watch that tiktok video. i thought it was like somebody media project, you know what i mean? how to be a refugee in a day because the young lads who made it, the lad that made it really it was making a mockery of everybody in this country who says, you've got to do something about the boats,

that in fact they declared how you know , exciting was going on you know, exciting was going on this adventure to get into the uk. and so i do urge that we do something. i'm just not sure that the declaration of emergency is it? >> well, daniel, this is your party. if i was rishi sunak and i was watching that video, i would be mortified. i would feel a deep sense of personal shame . a deep sense of personal shame. and i would sit there and i would think people are now laughing at us. our own citizens in this country. there was a report done on one of the news channels which shows channels last night which shows that got people that actually you've got people living in tents in people's gardens, you've got people in temporary that temporary accommodation that are in dire straits this country. in dire straits in this country. and guy was and absolute mess. a guy i was reading let down so badly he reading was let down so badly he was dog or cat food, was eating dog food or cat food, whatever was. then you've whatever it was. and then you've got these guys in 4 5 star got these guys in 4 or 5 star hotels high fiving hotels as high fiving themselves. i'm just showing you some british some of the brits, british citizens now citizens on the screens now living in tents in 2023 in this country. i think it's an absolute disgrace. and i think your government is failing them.

yeah i think everyone feels ashamed. >> not just rishi sunak. we all feel embarrassed and a great sense of shame at seeing videos like but you were to like that. but you were right to call advertisement. you've call it an advertisement. you've got remember are got to remember these people are being brought here by well—organised, large scale, international transnational travel agents and because your government is allowing it, they just happen to be illegal. and the methods suggesting by tim smith, except for the turn back of the boats, everything else he suggested the government has already passed a law. the illegal migration bill which got approval in july. it's now part of the law of the land. they can do that. they can take people out of this country. they can take them to a safe country that doesn't say rwanda, but that would be the only candidate at the they can add the moment. but they can add other countries to the list. they take them rwanda and they can take them to rwanda and they they can also deprive they can they can also deprive them from ever being given the right to settle in this country. >> yes, but they're not following through. this following through. daniel, this is fascinating, one's

is all fascinating, but no one's following through. >> tied up in the courts and until that's resolved, they're not going to be able to do it. now, you say, well, let's cut to the chase. let's have a state of emergency where we ignore the courts. and isn't how courts. and so that isn't how this country works. if you want courts. and so that isn't how tistateintry works. if you want courts. and so that isn't how tistate ofry works. if you want courts. and so that isn't how tistate of emergency, you want courts. and so that isn't how tistate of emergency, you have a state of emergency, you have to act of parliament. if to have an act of parliament. if you the government you want to take the government to given special and to be given special and draconian powers to deal with an issue, there has to an of issue, there has to be an act of parliament under which they can act. have an act of act. we do have an act of parliament called the civil contingencies which is contingencies act, which is available if available to the government. if you have a real crisis like, i don't know, like, you know, some sort of natural disaster where the government can just sweep in and whether and take stuff over, whether that applied to this or that could be applied to this or not, i don't know. but you can't do in the middle of the do anything in the middle of the summer happening summer when nothing's happening and but got and the government, but it's got the mechanisms . it's not the legal mechanisms. it's not able to deliver on them . able to deliver on them. >> you know, i want to i've got to go break, but i want to to go to break, but i want to come back to you on that. there's much i want say. there's so much i want to say. i nofice there's so much i want to say. i notice that you immediately discounted want discounted back. so i want to push you that probe you on

push you on that probe you on that a little bit. and i also found it interesting that you say nothing we can do say there's nothing we can do because off for because everyone is off for summer. maybe summer. well, maybe they shouldn't for summer. shouldn't be off for summer. maybe should be back in maybe they should be back in parliament working this parliament working on this issue. you make

back and decide you're listening to gb news radio . to gb news radio. >> hello there. >> hello there. >> i'm michelle dewberry with you right through till 7:00 tonight. daniel moylan and claire fox alongside me, also daniel moylan. we were just talking about the channel crossings before the break, you immediately discounted the turn back policy that australians implemented . why? implemented. why? >> i didn't discount it. i simply said it's not included in the measures the government's taken. but should it be all the other measures? i don't think for the reason tim smith gave, i don't think it's going to work across a narrow channel. if the french aren't willing to take the it entirely the boats back. so it entirely depends the french being depends on the french being willing take them back. you willing to take them back. you remember from point of view, remember from our point of view, this lot people, this is this is a lot of people, this is 45,000 or whatever in total. but

from view of from the point of view of continental europe, they've from the point of view of continintal europe, they've from the point of view of continin muchrope, they've from the point of view of continin much larger1ey've from the point of view of continin much larger numbers, taken in much larger numbers, only which, only a small number of which, and regard our and they don't regard our problem as being any worse than the problem. they've to deal the problem. they've got to deal with that i agree with the thing that i do agree with the thing that i do agree with you on in terms of a sense of emergency, if not of emergency, even if not a declaration of one. >> is that what i think the government should be doing is these arriving. they these people are arriving. they should be, as speak, below . should be, as we speak, below. king just like they built those emergency hospitals that we never there during the covid. they should be building hospitals wherever they need to build hospitals and actually and they but that they will be camps. but that will where people would live. will be where people would live. one of the things that's really upsetting people you've upsetting people and you've alluded to this yourselves, are tent cities of homeless people in this country at the same and the general impoverishment of people or people really panicking about not having homes , housing crisis at the same time as the people in hotels. >> let me ask you a really quick question, nicky . one of my question, nicky. one of my viewers has asked a question. i hear often, why is this government just a government not just setting a

migrant processing up migrant processing facility up in france ? in france? >> good question. >> good question. >> i don't know the answer to that. but then don't they? >> because this is the point that nicky. >> but i mean, the truth is that people wouldn't go to a migrant processing centre if they were economic why? they've economic refugees. why? they've paid money get a paid their to money get on a boat and boat is there and boat and the boat is there and that's what they'll take. because if they that going because if they know that going into processing means into migrant processing means that to turned that they're going to be turned back, they go that way that they're going to be turned back, by they go that way that they're going to be turned back, by landing they go that way that they're going to be turned back, by landing here, go that way that they're going to be turned back, by landing here, they at way that they're going to be turned back, by landing here, they know when by landing here, they know it's for people to it's very hard for people to truck them out. and the great thing you have to remember is a very answer. but once you very quick answer. but once you land your chances of land in britain, your chances of staying are very staying here are very, very high. application is high. if your application is being processed abroad and you're down, you've got you're turned down, you've got nowhere. you're still abroad . if nowhere. you're still abroad. if you if your object is to get here, you want your feet on the ground . that's what these ground. that's what these companies, these businesses are offering feet on the ground offering them feet on the ground in britain. but a risk could drown the way. but most drown on the way. but most people get through. and after that, they'll never get you out. >> that's one the reasons >> but that's one of the reasons why would like the processing

why i would like the processing to happen elsewhere, because then you'd have much more then also you'd have much more of a moral argument to say you could have done the processing over there. and one the over there. and one of the reasons why so many people are now asylum seekers now accepted as asylum seekers or legitimate refugees is because we've got a complete muddle about what comprises asylum and refugee status. and many anybody just needs to say i was fleeing something. i mean, i'm being glib, but that's almost what's happened . so we've almost what's happened. so we've corrupted the genuine refugee and asylum status that's so important. >> i just think the whole kind of system now has lost integrity . yes. think the whole asylum system, the whole immigration system, the whole immigration system . yeah. system, the whole immigration system .yeah. it's system, the whole immigration system . yeah. it's lost system. yeah. it's lost integrity and i saw a statistic about a month ago and it was saying that just for one chunk of the backlog, it was something like 75,000 or something. the particular that they were particular chunk that they were focusing saying focusing on, they were saying that process that you'd have to process a claim four minutes in claim every four minutes in order clear just that chunk order to clear just that chunk before the end of this year. you've got no chance, no chance

whatsoever. and there'll be people watching this whatsoever. and there'll be peofsay, watching this whatsoever. and there'll be peofsay, well, watching this whatsoever. and there'll be peofsay, well, watchingmichel, that say, well, hang on, michel, you harsh, you lot are being really harsh, because ultimately people because ultimately these people have right to try seek have every right to try and seek safety here. if they so choose and there's other routes and that there's no other routes for them to be able to safely do so. daniel yeah, say so. daniel yeah, people do say that, but we know the fact that an awful lot of people are an awful lot of these people are economic and they're economic migrants and they're here as a result of a business model that we do need to disrupt. >> but i also think it's not their fault, and >> but i also think it's not theirfault, and i know that their fault, and i know that people will you know, viewers will say, for oh, goodness sake, you've just made the point it's the system that's corrupt. any young person is going to an young person is going to be an opportunist tik tok, opportunist like that. tik tok, tik lad that's sweet. but tik tok lad. that's a sweet. but i understand that people tik tok lad. that's a sweet. but i be1derstand that people tik tok lad. that's a sweet. but i be thinking, that people tik tok lad. that's a sweet. but i be thinking, oh,: people tik tok lad. that's a sweet. but i be thinking, oh, you»ple tik tok lad. that's a sweet. but i be thinking, oh, you know, will be thinking, oh, you know, if i get to the uk, i'm likely to be able to stay. and it's a far nicer society than the one i'm from. that is not i'm coming from. that is not their fault. i'm coming from. that is not theirfault. it's i'm coming from. that is not their fault. it's the system's fault. in this country that's allowed the corruption of the genuine asylum and refugee status and as you say, immigration is collapsed. i think they need to speed up the

processing and be much harder about i. >> the other day, the triple a's i threw out to my audience, i had loads of people that was up for it. the asylum admin army. you could recruit all these people. that's a good thing at home that left the home that have left the workforce. i'm telling you now, people in their people would come in their droves help to droves to help out and to process things. i know you would because it an because i've flirted it as an idea and all jumped at the idea and you all jumped at the chance. i'll tell you what people are jumping at at the moment, to rinse more moment, trying to rinse more money motorists because money out of motorists because there's been conversations now about or not parking about whether or not parking fines are effective as a deterrent at the amount of money that they currently are . that they currently are. councils. now, perhaps i know some in london looking at whether or not if you increase the sum of money, it will act as a better deter. and i'll start with you because you are obviously advising boris when it comes to transport policy . this comes to transport policy. this doesn't wash with me. daniel and what i think is it's not council is trying to deter someone from parking on a yellow line. it's councils that have made such a

hash of their own finances that they sit there and they think, you that guy there they sit there and they think, you his that guy there they sit there and they think, you his fiat that guy there they sit there and they think, you his fiat punto,t guy there they sit there and they think, you his fiat punto, iguy there they sit there and they think, you his fiat punto, i canthere they sit there and they think, you his fiat punto, i can rinse with his fiat punto, i can rinse him for an extra few quid. and so on so forth, and i can so on and so forth, and i can fix my financial woes. >> well, i have to admit >> well, michel, i have to admit that before i worked for that even before i worked for boris, i chaired the committee for which for london councils, which actually looking this. actually is now looking at this. i parking myself i raised parking fines myself when i chaired that committee. and think to say and i do think you have to say that fines do probably need to keep up with inflation and tfl increased the fines on their roads last year and it looks to me like london councils is now considering catching up with what tfl is charging for borough now for their borough roads. but i do think that there is a great element of truth in what you say that there is a war on the motorist and raising finance has become a driver in this . i don't become a driver in this. i don't think it's too much a matter of yellow lines because nearly everybody knows if you park and i know what a single yellow line is, they know what a double yellow line is and they know

what they're doing. and if they get a fine, they probably just accept it. but what worries me is setting junction, is that setting up box junction, yellow and things yellow box junctions and things like that and catching people yellow box junctions and things like tijunctions,tching people yellow box junctions and things like tijunctions, making eople yellow box junctions and things like tijunctions, making £1)le some junctions, making £1 million so on in million we've seen and so on in the of a year, this the course of a year, this really is fleecing the motorists and the level of fines, and it isn't the level of fines, it's the approach of it's the, it's the approach of trying to box . trying to box. >> what's most distressing about this is this awful policy called an active travel policy. now, this is different than just ripping off the motorists. this is called active travel. let's make policies that nudge people and force people to walk more and force people to walk more and cycle more and get out of their cars. and i'm afraid that both the conservative government and then all of the councils of all shapes and have signed up for this. so that's the war on the car, right? >> yes. but then people might shout at the screens. but what about climate, claire? they will say it's a noble endeavour to try and get people out of the cars and onto feet to help. cars and onto the feet to help. >> first all, you want to >> first of all, if you want to save the climate, you have to

convince the citizens of this country more country that that's more important able to important than being able to drive. you can't them drive. and you can't force them out cars by having out of their cars by having a war on. i mean, it's not a war on climate. it's a war on cars. and as we know, people are suffering. the ulez charge has been well rehearsed on this show. i'm not going to go through it. the low traffic through it. but the low traffic neighbourhoods, all of these completely 20 completely bonkers schemes, 20 mile driving mile an hour driving is basically designed to irritate the out of people that the life out of people so that they that's not the they won't drive. that's not the same as a democratic decision by the country to abandon cars. it's a bit behind the scenes way of doing it. so i just think that's why we've got to seriously oppose this , these seriously oppose this, these kind of policies. absolutely right. >> fascinating stuff. are you a motorist? do you feel fleeced ? motorist? do you feel fleeced? get in touch and tell me, are you on the flip side? you're a cyclist or whatever you say it is all fair. get it out of those motorists, get them out of their cars. give me your thoughts, but ineed cars. give me your thoughts, but i need to cross back to the news desk for some breaking news. yes

thank you, michelle. >> russia says wagner boss yevgeny prigozhin may have been killed in a plane crash north of moscow . it's understood nine moscow. it's understood nine others were on board the plane, which was en route to saint petersburg at the time. tass news agencies reporting there were seven passengers and three crew members on the flight with prigozhin's name on the list. we'll bring you more on that developing story as we get it. thanks, michelle. cor blimey , thanks, michelle. cor blimey, big news there. >> and i have got the perfect panel to just reflect on that in a couple of minutes. let's reflect the weather in this country first, that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news >> hi there . it's aidan mcgivern >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. with the gb news forecast showers . the gb news forecast showers. for many of us over the next 24 hours, even across southern areas where it has been relatively warm and fine over

the few days , it's going to the last few days, it's going to turn cooler as low pressure starts to sink south. as that happens , some intense heat over happens, some intense heat over the near continent will spark some thunderstorms through the evening and overnight. those affecting northern france, but some shower activity could just spread into southwestern parts of england and then eventually other parts of the english channel coast overnight . some channel coast overnight. some heavy rain also affecting much of central and northern scotland in between a lot of cloud cover and a warm night for many, especially towards the south. but it's in the south where we're going to see some lively activity. thing, some activity. first thing, some heavier predominantly with heavier rain, predominantly with the that develop the thunderstorms that develop across northern france, generally staying around the channel or across the near continent. much of that moves out of the way, but still some showery south—east showery rain for the south—east into afternoon. heavy rain into the afternoon. heavy rain moves scotland moves through northern scotland replaced showers. showers replaced by showers. showers also affecting northern ireland. but for northern but actually for northern england, west wales, southwest england, west wales, southwest england plenty england by the afternoon, plenty of and weather to of fine and bright weather to come. feeling a bit cooler. and

friday certainly a cooler day across the uk . low pressure will across the uk. low pressure will bnng across the uk. low pressure will bring a northwesterly air flow, a bright start to the south—east, but elsewhere a lot of showers coming through on a brisk north westerly breeze in between some sunny spells and a similar setup for saturday, a mix of sunny spells and showers and cool for many , that warm and cool for many, that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> well, that was the weather. lots of you getting in touch about the migrant situation. there's a great deal of support for people as well, saying that there should be a national emergency. philip, though, he says it very succinctly. he says the has failed the the government has failed the british public on this matter. keep your thoughts coming in gbviews@gbnews.com. but you did just hear the very shocking breaking news there about the wagner boss. apparently potentially dead because of a plane crash. we will be responding to that in

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>> hello there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, the baroness claire fox . fox, the baroness claire fox. fox, the director of the academy of ideas, and daniel moylan, a conservator of peer in the house of lords . i conservator of peer in the house of lords. i just want to respond, though, to that news that broke about the leader that just broke about the leader of the wagner group, yevgeny prigozhin. remember him ? one of prigozhin. remember him? one of the most famous hot dog sellers . he started his career. he became known to us all, didn't he? perhaps june, time for a very peculiar coup . that wasn't very peculiar coup. that wasn't a coup. that all got very complicated and he is complicated and heated. he is on a list, apparently for a passenger list, apparently for a passenger list, apparently for a plane , a private plane that a plane, a private plane that has crashed . so i have to say, has crashed. so i have to say, we don't have official confirmation that he is boarded the . so we can't we don't the plane. so we can't we don't know whether or not he's died or not, but he's certainly on the passenger as boarded . that passenger list as boarded. that was to have boarded was supposed to have boarded that what do you make of that plane. what do you make of this this big news? well got this this big news? well you got to is a state,

to remember, this is a state, russia is a state which would send two people all the to send two people all the way to salisbury of the salisbury to kill one of the state's enemies at considerable risk, because these guys, these state's enemies at considerable risk,guys|use these guys, these state's enemies at considerable risk,guys mightese guys, these state's enemies at considerable risk,guys might have uys, these state's enemies at considerable risk,guys might have been hese state's enemies at considerable risk,guys might have been caught i >> -- >> they might have been picked up along route and up somewhere along the route and then take risks in order to kill their enemies. you their enemies. so you immediately think if this is true was was true and prigozhin was or was meant the plane, that meant to be on the plane, that this is not an obvious accident doesn't mean necessarily it was putin because he has even bigger enemies in the shape of gerasimov and shoigu , the two, gerasimov and shoigu, the two, the general and the and the defence minister. he was he said his coup was aimed at and his coup failed, failed to get rid of them. that's the point. not only did called it off, but he didn't get rid he didn't kill the two people. he didn't finish off. >> i remember it all. >> i remember it all. >> two people he was trying to get rid of. it was incredibly and it doesn't require a great deal meddling plane to deal of meddling with a plane to leave in a position where it leave it in a position where it in flight going to crash. in flight is going to crash. >> well, he kind after that >> well, he kind of after that that odd coup, that wasn't a coup. that very ineffective. coup. that was very ineffective. whatever he went over to

whatever it was, he went over to belarus, didn't he? there was a bit of a deal. if my memory serves me correct there lukashenko was involved brokering that. and many people at you were sitting brokering that. and many people at going, you were sitting brokering that. and many people at going, i'mi were sitting brokering that. and many people at going, i'm not re sitting brokering that. and many people at going, i'm not really ng brokering that. and many people at going, i'm not really sure there going, i'm not really sure how guy is going to how long this guy is going to lead a very safe existence . it lead a very safe existence. it seems perhaps not long at all. >> well, there was great speculation then that if you were to going declare a coup and not see it through , that you're not see it through, that you're you're you were going to be on somebody's target list. i mean, i can't imagine sort of thinking when i got on the plane with him, i might have been nervous if i'd seen his name on the passenger list. that's the point i'm but obviously i'm making. but it's obviously quite serious issue. this quite a serious issue. this because of the reasons why because one of the reasons why that a apparently happened that a coup apparently happened was of was the inco appearance of russia's strategy. the russia's military strategy. the fact that putin is being forced to use these kind of people who are born out and for guns, for hire and so on is a very unreliable it's not kind of like a national mobilisation of troops. and so i think the kind

of general falling apart nature of general falling apart nature of that, which is what the coup represents , did, and now these represents, did, and now these kind of cloak and dagger, somebody being assassinated and somebody being assassinated and so on and so forth, sums up the way that we really do feel as though russia has become a state that's no longer part of the modern western. i mean , you can modern western. i mean, you can say, well, we didn't we knew that already. but it's got all of the features of a state that's not part of the democratic world at all and which we already know because of the treatment of ukraine. >> but one of the challenges in all of this is one of the first casualties in war is the truth, isn't it? one of the isn't it? so one of the challenges in this whole situation that's true, is situation and that's true, is trying to work out what is going on, is doing what, what is on, who is doing what, what is actually truth, what is actually propaganda, what we been propaganda, what we have been pushed believe, whereas pushed to believe, whereas perhaps there's something alternate over here. alternate going on over here. it's kind of tricky to work it's very kind of tricky to work out is what. out what is what. >> well, it's made worse in the case russia, because case of russia, because kremlinology, mean, what is kremlinology, i mean, what is going the kremlin is going on inside the kremlin is something really

something we've never really mastered last 40 or mastered for the last 40 or 50 or 60 years. people even in the cold war , used to be paid cold war, used to be paid salaries in order to try and work out what was happening behind those walls. and we still don't a very clear i don't have a very clear idea. i can't mentioning there is can't help mentioning there is an historical precedent to an exact historical precedent to this. in the 17th century, dunng this. in the 17th century, during 30 years war, when during the 30 years war, when the holy roman emperor murdered had a man called valenstein who had a man called valenstein who had a man called valenstein who had a huge private mercenary army simply because he'd got too powerful and was thought to be threatening even though he was working for the for the emperor. and but he had him killed anyway because much of a because he was too much of a threat. it's this is it is true, claire, this is not modern europe. is 17th century europe. this is 17th century europe. this is 17th century europe. this is what we're seeing. nothing has changed. >> i'd just like to point out that is a place to go that gb news is a place to go for your big history lessons, where you're going to learn stuff. like, listening mouth stuff. i'm like, listening mouth open oh, he open thinking, oh, isn't he interesting? knows all about interesting? he knows all about this thing. have. this sort of thing. oh, we have. >> we have all the top >> i don't we have all the top brands. what can i say? but actually, if you remember, when

you think back the start of you think back to the start of this all this conflict, there was all this conflict, there was all this about what what russia this talk about what what russia ridiculously call a special military operation, i think is the terminology that they started using when they invaded ukraine in this way. i think they envisaged or a lot of the conversation at that time was that they thought they'd in that they thought they'd be in they'd of taking over they'd be kind of taking over and off they'd go within, and then off they'd go within, you know, the sunset of you know, into the sunset of glory and all really glory and it'd all be really quick. well, this has all gone horribly for putin. horribly wrong for putin. >> well, it's gone completely, horribly wrong for putin. but it's also the case that for those us who have absolutely those of us who have absolutely unapologetically supported ukrainian self—determination and against the invasion, we can also say, and this is one of the confusing things at the moment, that there's an awful lot of people who have jumped on the bandwagon, were, of the bandwagon, as it were, of the ukraine war. so one of the things that i find very difficult is the that difficult is the way that america using it for its own america is using it for its own ends. i mean, it has become of a proxy war for the west, right? definitely. and then you've got for a while. no, i know. but

it's also genuinely the ukrainian people fighting for their sovereignty and their self—determination against an invading army. so you don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. but what therefore we have is even more , you know, have is even more, you know, confusion about what the truth is at that point, because we don't even know from the ukrainians point view who's ukrainians point of view who's you know, everything because their media outlets were shut down well. down there as well. >> you know what is >> do you know what this is a conversation that will go on and on. what has happened? on. what exactly has happened? time one time will tell, but no one really a long life really put a long life expectancy on the wagner bus. did they get in touch with all your thoughts? but when i come back from the break, i want to come back to matters closer to home. you will have seen the book, the pride book. that's been featured the news been featured a lot in the news for all the

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claire fox, the director of the academy of ideas, alongside me, as is daniel moylan, the tory peerin as is daniel moylan, the tory peer in the house of lords. now you might have seen lots of the news yesterday was news agenda yesterday was dominated by children's book. dominated by a children's book. it all about a pride it was all about a pride festival , all it was all about a pride festival, all and parade. but there was a key detail in it which had really upset a lot of people. it featured imagery of a man in what i would certainly call bondage gear. i think, you know, if you're faint—hearted , know, if you're faint—hearted, you might not want to look at the now because i will the graphic now because i will show anyway. this was show you it anyway. this was actually a nursery actually used in a nursery school there was a family in school and there was a family in hull that really expressed concerns about this. and the upshot of it was that they've now removed their child, their four year old daughter, from the school, marie taylor, who's the mum the child, joins me now. mum of the child, joins me now. maria thank you for coming along. i think i've explained the context and many people will be perhaps this be familiar perhaps with this story you told about story. but you were told about this book. you raised concerns about it, and then the response that you got from nursery that you got from the nursery concerned why it

concerned you, didn't it? why it it concerned us because the initial response was to defend the images and the nursery staff said that children would not perceive the images as being erotic . erotic. >> they said only the adults they said only us would see them as erotic and that was our opinion. but the children wouldn't see the images as erotic. and that really concerned us because just to be clear, it's not up to the child if the child lacks understanding of a subject, it there's no justification to start showing sexualised images to the children. >> yeah, because i, i find this defence because i have heard this defence a lot, that it's the adult that looks at that and sees a sexual ized image. a child will just see some guy wearing a black outfit, but that excuse doesn't with me excuse doesn't wash with me because wouldn't let child because you wouldn't let a child go shop and take some go into a shop and take some sweets without just sweets without paying just because wanted them, because they wanted them, because they wanted them, because understand because they don't understand the concept stealing. you the concept of stealing. you wouldn't child, i don't the concept of stealing. you would drink child, i don't the concept of stealing. you would drink alcohol, i don't the concept of stealing. you would drink alcohol because they know, drink alcohol because they don't understand concept of don't understand the concept of alcohol. do not understand

alcohol. so i do not understand that seems that as a defence, it seems very, very odd to me. so then what was the upshot? what was the upshot ? what did the trust the upshot? what did the trust say? well , as a result we say? and well, as a result we raised a complaint of safeguarding complaint they safeguarding complaint and they trust it and after trust investigated it and after several weeks they contacted us and trustees agreed that the and the trustees agreed that the images were not age appropriate. >> and the book has been removed from the nursery. >> yeah , which is great, by the >> yeah, which is great, by the way. and i think it should have been. >> but in their letter they also said book available said the book is available to many nurseries across hull many other nurseries across hull and across the country country. and also in libraries. and it's also in libraries. >> fox let me just bring >> claire fox let me just bring you in. ask me, i think you in. if you ask me, i think there is this weird obsession at there is this weird obsession at the moment and i think it's deeply inappropriate for adult adults within the educational settings, whether that's schools or now we're seeing nurseries that seem to be wanting to expose children to what i would call overly sexual imagery and concepts. and what do you agree with me and why ? with me and why? >> so part of the carelessness s

that comes on the back of just adding on to the lgb, the tk i plus bit, which is a kind of set of so, you know, lesbian gays and bisexual people or something that of course young people are going to be into it too over a penod going to be into it too over a period of time. but now there's become a politicisation of this with the with the tk plus and what they're doing is normal sizing what our adult activities often as they would say queer activities, sexual practises which adults are free to do if they're legal, that's up to them . but they used to be private and then normalising it to kids. it is actually the case, by the way, that four year olds wouldn't go, oh, that's bondage gear know bdsm . they gear and know bdsm. they wouldn't know what it was, but therefore, what is it doing in a book for four year olds and the reason why we should worried reason why we should be worried about because what it says about it is because what it says is young should get used is young people should get used to images this,

to seeing images like this, because is normal part of because this is normal part of life . but actually it isn't. life. but actually it isn't. i i've got no objection to people indulging in sexual fetishes that are legal in the privacy of their own home. of course, that's up to them. they're adults, but the absolute implosion of this happening in school books, all in the name of saying, oh, yeah, well, that's because we're liberal and progressive and we support lesbian and gay rights is insulting to lesbians and gays, by the to drag them into by the way, to drag them into this whole thing. >> what about people, >> but what about people, though, say, though, daniel, that would say, well, a second, because well, hang on a second, because well, hang on a second, because we want children to open we want children to be open minded tolerant and all the minded and tolerant and all the rest it. so the sooner that rest of it. so the sooner that we you know, introduce these concepts , as, know, concepts, such as, you know, some families have got mums, some families have got two mums, some families have got two mums, some two dads, whatever some have got two dads, whatever . soon as you introduce . so as soon as you introduce those they're those concepts, they're less likely to be bullied likely people are to be bullied in later life. >> yeah, well, that is a form of indoctrination though, isn't it 7 indoctrination though, isn't it ? and it's a question of what is age appropriate and what where children can make choices for

themselves. and i think you're talking about people at the age of four. surely what we've always tried to do is preserve an element of innocence in the entire on the part of very small children. so that when they're older, of course, they have to encounter things that are more complex in life that might be more appropriate. i think in this case, to be fair to the school, they behave quite well. they they defend they made they they did defend they made the and they defended the decision and they defended it. but then did listen. it. but then they did listen. the listen to what the trustees did listen to what the parents had to say. and well done. maria it is parents done. maria and it is parents who should charge of these who should be in charge of these things. said this on your things. i've said this on your show times. it's parents show several times. it's parents who in charge of children's who are in charge of children's education and they did respond. so to fair to them, so i think to be fair to them, they respond. but there are they did respond. but there are worse cases. woi'se cgses. >> worse cases. >> well, when was when did >> well, when was that when did that response come? >> it took >> it several weeks. it took several weeks for response. >> the media kind of >> so had the media kind of interest by then or was interest started by then or was the separate? because we the two separate? because we only contacted the after only contacted the media after we'd received the response? only contacted the media after we'right.ved the response? only contacted the media after we' right. ved “we response? only contacted the media after we'right.ved “we our»onse? only contacted the media after we' right. ved “we our concern >> right. and we our concern right the and i said right from the start and i said this the nursery staff staff this to the nursery staff staff

right beginning, is that right at the beginning, is that the is the sexualised the concern is the sexualised images. it doesn't matter who's in the images, whether it's, you know, men or women, straight or 93v- know, men or women, straight or gay. but if they're dressed in in bondage gear, you know, it should not be in a kids book. simple as and also, you were simple as and also, if you were to dress like that in public. well you would be arrested for a pubuc well you would be arrested for a public order offence if you were, you know, playground or were, you know, to playground or in the street or if you came to nursery to pick up your child dressed that, you dressed like that, then, you know, social services would get involved and you wouldn't. you just wouldn't do it's just wouldn't do that. so it's about the, the sexual where you know, the bondage where that's, that's in the book. it's about those images. that's in the book. it's about those images . they don't that's in the book. it's about those images. they don't bring anything to the book. >> but then i think, well, what goes through your head is as a child warren's author because this book to be clear, everyone it's aimed at four age four plus. anyway, i do just need to the nurse who did respond saying that they've removed this book and confident that and they are now confident that people genesis people that attend genesis nursery are not exposed to

sexual or erotic images. anyway, this conversation will go on and on. i would personally encourage all parents. on. i would personally encourage all onents. on. i would personally encourage all one last call, though. >> one last call, though. >> one last call, though. >> very, very quickly. >> very, very quickly. >> very, very last call to all parents across the country. now this there in this book is out there in nurseries and schools and also primary schools have got materials like that. we all need to go and contact speak to teachers, speak to schools and ask to see the books in the materials that are being taught at nurseries and primary schools. >> yeah, absolutely. that is a great note to end on. i completely echo it. i absolutely insist that you are understand and that you see what your kids are taught home. are being taught at home. i completely claire daniel completely agree. claire daniel , thank you for your company tonight. maria well yours tonight. maria as well for yours too. home. have a too. thank you at home. have a good night. don't go anywhere. nigel is up next and i'll see you tomorrow night. nigel is up next and i'll see youthe|orrow night. nigel is up next and i'll see youthe temperature's rising. >> the temperature's rising. boxt proud sponsors of boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. with the gb news forecast showers for many of us over the next 24

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gb news. >> good evening. i'm live again from milwaukee, not from the sun terrace because it's 100 f here today. i was woken up very early with a phone call to learn that dame rose until recently,

dame alison rose until recently, the ceo of natwest group is to receive a £24 million payout for breaching my client confidentiality. i might have a thing or two to say about that in just a moment. ulez goes ahead as we learn that sadiq khanis ahead as we learn that sadiq khan is using nothing more than cod science. it'll do nothing for air quality in outer london at all, and a big debate taking place here in milwaukee. but just as exciting what on earth has donald trump said to tucker carlson that interview going out at the same time this evening. but before all of that , let's but before all of that, let's get the news with rihanna and jones. >> thank you, nigel. it's just gone 7:00. your top stories from the newsroom . russia says wagner the newsroom. russia says wagner boss yevgeny prigozhin may have been among ten people killed in a plane crash north of moscow. the images are purportedly we know those are not the images.

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