nonh north and south? your between north and south? your thoughts and the uk birth rate is the lowest it's been in 20 years. many are now saying it's time to incentivise people, perhaps with a tax system to have more children . is that what have more children. is that what we need to be doing? is that the priority when it comes to tax reform or not? and prince andrew, do you reckon that me and you taxpayer ears should be funding his security ? and are funding his security? and are you sitting down? do you know the figure now when it comes to immigration in this country? we have backlog asylum have a backlog now, an asylum backlog, 175,000 people waiting to be properly processed. what an absolute joke. and if i've got time for it, i want to talk to you about covid, apparently. oh, can you believe it? apparently another various about to hit town massively . really to hit town massively. really broad, aren't you ? perhaps, broad, aren't you? perhaps, though, you're one of those people that say no. michelle, what we need is a return to covid measures. oh, give me a break. you tell me why i'm wrong. we'll have it all to

come. but before we get into it, here's tonight's headlines . here's tonight's headlines. thank you , michelle. thank you, michelle. >> good evening. it's 601. i'm ellie costello in the newsroom . ellie costello in the newsroom. russia's president putin has sent his condolences to the family of wagner group leader who was reportedly killed in a plane crash north of moscow yesterday. the mercenary boss was one of the ten people named on the jet's passenger list. putin described yevgeny prigozhin as a talented businessman who he's known since the 90s prigozhin . the 90s prigozhin. >> i knew prigozhin for a very long time, since the early 1990s. >> he was a man with a complex destiny and he made serious mistakes in life . he achieved mistakes in life. he achieved the results he needed both for himself and when i asked him for the common cause, as in these last months, he was a talented person, a talented businessman. he worked not only in our country and worked with results,

but also abroad in africa in . particular >> meanwhile, ukraine's navy and military conducted a special operation overnight in russia , operation overnight in russia, occupied crimea. officials say a drone destroyed a russian long—range anti—aircraft missile system. yesterday, president vladimir zelenskyy vowed to end russia's occupation of crimea . russia's occupation of crimea. gb news understands the government is looking to block the former natwest chief executive's multi—million pound payout. dame alison rose quit after it emerged. she talked about nigel farage's finances to about nigel farage's finances to a journalist . her actions are a journalist. her actions are being independently investigate dated. the treasury says it will decide whether to take action if any wrongdoing is found and if the board doesn't cut her £24 million severance package amid the backlog of asylum cases has hit a record high. more than 175,000 people were waiting for

an initial decision on their application at the end of june. that's up 44% on last year. application at the end of june. that's up 44% on last year . the that's up 44% on last year. the home office says europe has seen a similar rise, adding that it's doubled spending on asylum in the last year to nearly £4 billion. a former couple have been jailed for the murder of an electrician in wigan , michael electrician in wigan, michael hillier and rachel fulstow shot liam smith in the face and then covered him in acid in november of last year , hillier was of last year, hillier was sentenced to at least 33 years in prison . fulstow, who met the in prison. fulstow, who met the victim on a dating app, was jailed for life with a minimum term of 30 years. detective inspector lee shaw spoke on behalf of the family after sentencing . liam was more than sentencing. liam was more than just a family member to us. >> he was our rock, our liam. he had the biggest and most kind hearted soul and would literally do anything for anyone . but we do anything for anyone. but we are always asking ourselves , why are always asking ourselves, why did this happen to liam ? why do

did this happen to liam? why do his two boys now have to live with the knowledge that their loving father was taken away from them in the most barbaric of circumstances ? do donald of circumstances? do donald trump is due to surrender himself on charges of trying to overturn an the result of the 2020 presidential election in georgia. >> these are live pictures outside the fulton county jail, where we're expecting him to arrive later. he's facing dozens of criminal charges and will go on trial several times in the next 18 months, even as he campaigns to become president again in the 2024 us election . again in the 2024 us election. his former lawyer, rudy giuliani , surrendered yesterday . the , surrendered yesterday. the justice secretary has ordered an independent public inquiry into the case of a man who was wrongly jailed. andrew malkinson spent 17 years in prison for a rape he did not commit. he had his 2003 conviction overturned by the court in july following new dna evidence potentially

linking another man to the crime . patients are being warned of severe delays as nhs consultants in england strike for two days. routine hospital care is expected to come to a standstill, with nhs leaders anticipating major disruption. the british medical association also announced medics will go on strike in late september and early october as the unions dispute over pay continues . as dispute over pay continues. as health secretary steve barclay says an increase has already been agreed . been agreed. >> we've accepted in full the recommendation of the independent pay review body that looks at the importance of retention , the importance of retention, the importance of career progression in it means that total earnings for an nhs consultant will be £134,000 a year with a pay rise. this year of 6. and as i say, that is on top of changing pension taxation, meaning that consultants benefit from one of the most generous pension plans in the public sector. so we've accepted in full the

recommendations and i urge the bma to call and enter the strike because the strike ultimately damages patients . damages patients. >> the number of students receiving the highest gcse grades has fallen from last year but is still higher than before the covid pandemic. it follows a spike in higher grades in 2020 and 2021, when exams were cancelled because of covid and results were based on teachers assessments. overall there were over 200,000 fewer top grades this year compared with 2022 and london's zoo is staging its annual weigh in. penguins, tigers and gorillas are among the 14,000 animals being measured by zookeepers over the next year . every measured by zookeepers over the next year. every mammal, bird, reptile , fish and invertebrate reptile, fish and invertebrate is being monitored. the zoo says keeping records helps to ensure that every creature that it cares for is eating well and growing at the rate it should . growing at the rate it should. this is gb news across the uk on

tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. you can ask for it by saying play gb news now it's back to . michelle >> thanks for that, ellie, and very good, by the way, to see that you've got the bright pink memo too. that's what we like to see joined up dress coordination. i like it. anyway, i am michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, the writer and broadcaster conor tomlinson and a face to tomlinson and a new face to dewbs& co we like those, don't we? the columnist at the evening standard, emily sheffield. welcome emily. nice have you. welcome emily. nice to have you. you know the drill as well, don't you, on gb news. you can get in touch gbviews@gbnews.com is you reach me you can is how you reach me or you can tweet me at gb news. now, of course , gcse day to day . thank course, gcse day to day. thank god those days are beyond me . god those days are beyond me. can you remember getting your results? were you nervous? how important did you feel that they were and actually, as you

progress through life, did your gcse stand you in good stead or did they become irrelevant as the years went on, as some have been suggesting recently? anyway, the that i noticed anyway, the thing that i noticed more anything perhaps, is more than anything perhaps, is the south divide, because the north south divide, because when look and when you actually look and i think i can get it up on the screen, when you look at the difference between the attainment , here difference between the attainment, here is on the attainment, here it is on the screen . you can actually see screen. you can actually see when you look so the the when you look so the to the right of my screen as i'm looking at it, you can actually see that when it comes to the better grades, the south performs much better than performs much, much better than the north. and that is a pattern that's been replicated for quite some years, actually. and i start to think, well, why? what is going on in the north? why we can't achieve the good grades? well, our can't achieve well, our kids can't achieve those and it caught those good grades. and it caught my this week that eton my eye this week that eton college. yes. the very posh one, indeed. they're about to indeed. well, they're about to open selective open three new selective so—called free schools in the north. and it got me wondering, connon north. and it got me wondering, connor, i'll start with you. i'm going to speak to toby young on this topic as well. of course,

he is very involved in free he is very much involved in free schools and academies and all the rest of but do you think the rest of it, but do you think that eton moves up north is going help kind of close that going to help kind of close that attainment gap that we're seeing going to help kind of close that att grass nt gap that we're seeing going to help kind of close that att grass like ap that we're seeing going to help kind of close that att grass like ap thand e're seeing going to help kind of close that att grass like ap thand resultseing on grass like that and results days today? so think the days today? so i think the attainment i would be attainment gap, i would be interested to a breakdown interested to see a breakdown across well, across ethnicities as well, because a higher because of course, it's a higher ethnic population ethnic minority population in london north. london relative to the north. >> we do know that some >> and we do know that some families, particularly chinese, asian like, have higher asian and the like, have higher education attainment outcomes because pressures. because of cultural pressures. then specifically white working class country. class boys in this country. they're second to least in they're the second to least in education just above education outcomes just above irish travellers . so i would be irish travellers. so i would be interested to see that that demographic breakdown. but on the broader point, i think state schools generally schools are generally failing students, just there students, not just because there are in private are fewer than in private schools resources dedicated to each student , but because the each student, but because the curriculum is less specified to their individual strengths. they often to the lowest common often play to the lowest common denominator class make denominator in the class to make sure baseline sure everyone's at a baseline level passing, they don't level of passing, but they don't enable excellence and gcses as well. they're really poorly structured. you're i structured. you're covering i think something like 30

think i had something like 30 exams and boys specifically are often more specified to one specific domain of intelligence , whereas some of their other subjects suffer. so i think we need earlier specification as well in the education system, more broadly. >> emily, let me bring you >> and emily, let me bring you in specifically this eton thing, because i find that i am northern, my accent gives it away and i'm really interested in how can up the in how you can level up the north south. i don't think you can actually. that ship can actually. i think that ship has sailed and i don't really think anyone cares because i think anyone cares because i think did, they would think if they did, they would have something it have done something about it years before all the gaps years ago before all the gaps got big. but not got too big. but not withstanding that, eaton eaton to voice not whole to use my voice and not my whole voice, new colleges, voice, the three new colleges, do you think that will really make a difference in levelling 7 up. up? >> know whether just >> i don't know whether just three them, because they're three of them, because they're also sixth form colleges also only sixth form colleges and explain to the and just to explain to the viewers to going work viewers how it's to going work is with an is eton is partnering with an academy star academy. they're academy star academy. so they're actually to be called eton actually going to be called eton star academies. but what think star academies. but what i think is fantastic idea, this eton is a fantastic idea, this eton is a fantastic idea, this eton is a fantastic idea, this eton is a world famous centre of is like a world famous centre of excellence of learning , but it

excellence of learning, but it is only available to those who can afford the fees, although they do a huge amount of bursaries more than any other private school in the country , private school in the country, and of outreach work . but and a lot of outreach work. but what this is going to provide and up north is all their expertise in in how to create the best learning at sixth form and get those teenagers into oxford, cambridge , manchester, oxford, cambridge, manchester, bristol, maybe outwards towards america, because you can get incredible bursaries in america if you're a sporting figure as well. so to me, this is like it's brilliant, but there are only three of them. it's just a start. but eaton is planning on rolling out more. and i also think that it's great between levelling, levelling up, between the haves and the have nots, because there are very few people who can afford the school fees for eton, it now sort of fees for eton, it is now sort of over £30,000 a year. that's that's unattainable except for the richest in society. the very richest in society. a lot more than that. >> i thought it was about 40 odd. >> well, haven't checked it >> well, i haven't checked it probably all the extras. it

probably with all the extras. it probably is. yeah. >> then yeah but look, >> and then some. yeah but look, do know what? if you are do you know what? if you are sitting and you're sitting there and you're thinking i used to be thinking because i used to be very anti private schools, i did, i must confess, when i was growing up, was always saying growing up, i was always saying i'd my kid into i'd never put my kid into private schools. never, private schools. never, never, neven private schools. never, never, never, never, now that never, never, never. now that i'm i sit there and i'm a mum, i sit there and i think actually, i could think actually, if i could afford do that for child afford to do that for my child and that i could afford and i knew that i could afford to do it for the duration because you don't want to be like that of the like that kid out of the inbetweeners went. and then inbetweeners that went. and then came and bullied. so if came out and got bullied. so if you afford to do it for you could afford to do it for the duration, would you put your child private school? child into private school? i don't why anyone don't really know why anyone would that. but would say no to that. but anyway, down anyway, joining me down the line, we've got the director of the free speech union and a man that thing or two as that knows a thing or two as well about free schools, toby young, evening to young, toby, good evening to you. it comes you. specifically when it comes to eton, rolling out three new facilities you to eton, rolling out three new facilitthat you to eton, rolling out three new facilitthat will you to eton, rolling out three new facilitthat will have you to eton, rolling out three new facilitthat will have an ou to eton, rolling out three new facilitthat will have an impact think that will have an impact when it comes to education outcomes? >> well, it's difficult to >> well, it's very difficult to say with any of say with any degree of certainty. what certainty. michelle what educational policies, what educational policies, what educational measures will have

an impact. it's an unbeliever , an impact. it's an unbeliever, ably complex area . and the ably complex area. and the research literature is voluminous and people disagree on both sides. and they often appear to be equally well informed . eton has been informed. eton has been successful with with a similar sixth form in east london called the london academy of excellence . it's not the only private school involved in the london academy of excellence. there are about 5 or 6 that have collaborated, but it is an extraordinarily successful school. i think it gets more kids into oxford and cambridge than many leading private schools , and there's no reason schools, and there's no reason to think eton can't replicate the success of the london academy of excellence in these three areas where it's opening these new sixth forms. so i think it will have a positive effect. but i don't think we should exaggerate just how positive the effect will be. it's easier to set up high performing sixth forms, and one of the reasons they do well is because they're very selective. i've been to the london academy

of on several of excellence on several occasions. talk to the kids occasions. you talk to the kids there, they're incredibly highly motivated. they've often found the school themselves. it's not something they're teachers or their steered them their parents have steered them towards googled, towards. they've googled, you know, in east know, best sixth form in east london. they found the london academy they've academy of excellence. they've appued academy of excellence. they've applied themselves . so you get applied themselves. so you get those sorts of kids applying to these they're probably these schools. they're probably going well if they go going to do well even if they go to poor performing to relatively poor performing schools because they're so well motivated they're so bright motivated and they're so bright . problem is in . the real problem is in secondary schools . and think secondary schools. and i think where where we can really make an impact there is to learn the lessons of some of the most successful free schools like the michaela community school in wembley, which got extraordinary gcse results today. and one of the reasons that school is so successful, apart from the charisma and leadership of katharine birbalsingh, the headteacher, because of the headteacher, is because of the systems they put place. you systems they put in place. you know, no tolerance for disruption, silent corridors, no talking out of turn in lessons, extremely high expectations of the of all the kids , no

the kid of all the kids, no tolerance for any bad behaviour or breaking of the rules. tolerance for any bad behaviour or breaking of the rules . all or breaking of the rules. all the kids are expected to express their gratitude and their thanks to the teachers for the work they do. just to go to that school. you see, you think to yourself, well, if this system could be replicated in every secondary school in england, we'd soon have the highest performing education system in the world. better singapore the world. better than singapore , interesting stuff. that's >> interesting stuff. that's toby young there, the free speech director. he speech union director. he mentions michaela. anyone that's on social media when if you know the of the headmistress there , the of the headmistress there, the of the headmistress there, the headmaster there, katharine birbalsingh. i mean the abuse that that woman gets , i find it that that woman gets, i find it absolutely disgraceful . well, absolutely disgraceful. well, anyway, i think she does a great job. but do you think is job. but what do you think is motivating eton to do this? do you think that they're sitting motivating eton to do this? do you tifrom hat they're sitting motivating eton to do this? do you tifrom an they're sitting motivating eton to do this? do you tifrom an altruisticitting motivating eton to do this? do you tifrom an altruistic ,ting there from an altruistic, altruistic perspective going, how do i help these poor northerners ? or do you think northerners? or do you think there's something more to it than that? >> no, i think they genuine no, they probably can't survive as an unless they start an institution unless they start helping. less well—off

helping. the less well—off because it will literally become a school that just caters to the super rich. we're talking about super rich. we're talking about super rich. we're talking about super rich russians , super rich super rich russians, super rich chinese. it's times have moved on from when boris johnson was there. then it wasn't even that difficult to get in. it was more where your family stood, who you knew. i mean he in fact, got a scholarship there. so didn't pay a lot of the fees. so i also think they're about to, you know, labour's already said they're change they're going to change the rules they get rules so they won't get charitable status. now i could be correct i don't be correct in this. i don't think eton takes charitable status so it wouldn't be status anyway, so it wouldn't be one the schools. but i think one of the schools. but i think times have on and people times have moved on and people want it when you when you when you are literally eating of you are literally eating some of the famous education the most famous education centres in the world. it's got to move with the times just as oxford and cambridge has and but i do think he's toby made some very good points . these are very good points. these are highly selective. sixth forms. they are great, but they are going to take the best of the best of that area and i still really believe in that. that is

amazing. to be amazing. they're going to be moving from these areas moving kids from these areas into eton and came into, sorry, cambridge into cambridge and oxford and into the universities where they the top universities where they probably wouldn't have done unless know that school in unless i know that school in london very it is amazing london very well. it is amazing the that gets all the the one that gets all the children in. >> gets such a kick in that >> she gets such a kick in that head. headmistress. head. a headmistress. well, she's outspoken we she's very outspoken and as we know in society, a lot of very outspoken women do get attacked. >> this is very true. and she's a woman of as well. so a woman of colour as well. so i'm afraid i think she knows that comes as i i'm not saying it's acceptable, but i think it comes with having a having a high profile. >> i think a lot of parents as well are absolute wet lettuces who can't stand the thought of their children being properly disciplined they've disciplined because they've not managed to discipline their own kids home. then when you kids at home. and then when you get the school and get them into the school and then they get disciplined in this know what this way, they don't know what to make of it, they can't cope with but anyway, i'm with it. but anyway, i'm a little bit cynical when it comes with it. but anyway, i'm a lit'private ynical when it comes with it. but anyway, i'm a lit'private schools'hen it comes with it. but anyway, i'm a lit'private schools because�*mes with it. but anyway, i'm a lit'private schools because there to private schools because there is, was saying, is, as emily was just saying, then there's to be a big then there's going to be a big conversation that's going to get a lot kind of focus it.

a lot more kind of focus on it. if labour getting in the next election to whether or not election as to whether or not private schools should be granted status, granted charitable status, whether have whether or not they should have exemptions, whether or not they should have exemptionvat and all the rest fees from vat and all the rest of it. where do you stand on that, conor? >> i think that it's less so the times are changing. they've got bleeding and it's more bleeding hearts and it's more that usually respond to that usually people respond to incentives ideas. they incentives and not ideas. they are a labour victory are seeing a labour victory coming and they're coming down the pike and they're concerned they aren't coming down the pike and they're conceto ed they aren't coming down the pike and they're conceto be they aren't coming down the pike and they're conceto be engagingy aren't coming down the pike and they're conceto be engaging iniren't coming down the pike and they're conceto be engaging in levelling seen to be engaging in levelling the for as many the playing field for as many people across the country as possible, they'll get possible, then they'll get the heavy the hammer when it heavy end of the hammer when it comes to legislation. then i would well, it's less so would say as well, it's less so that sceptical of private that i'm sceptical of private schools think they schools because i think they have standards. and have much higher standards. and for just declaration, went for just declaration, i went to a was rubbish, a state school. it was rubbish, even though was grammar a state school. it was rubbish, even tiandh was grammar a state school. it was rubbish, even tiand they/as grammar a state school. it was rubbish, even tiand they said rammar a state school. it was rubbish, even tiand they said that1ar a state school. it was rubbish, even tiand they said that they school and they said that they pride themselves on educational attainment. they, attainment. well they, they, they didn't exactly encourage excellence their excellence for most of their students. the students. but i think the standards and standards needs to be raised and you a hell of a lot you get that a hell of a lot more by making it more market competitive. like the voucher system in states. well system do in the states. well let me your thoughts at let me know your thoughts at home, let me know your thoughts at horyou're backwards in >> you're not backwards in

coming i'm asking why coming forwards. i'm asking why there is a north—south divide and it's because and you're saying it's because northerners are strong in the arm thick in the head. arm and thick in the head. controversial and controversial jerry, you and i've no. you think to i've no. what do you think to that coming up. look, i want to talk you do need talk to you about do we need people to be having more children? uk rate children? the uk birth rate is the lowest it's been for 20 years. that matter? and if years. does that matter? and if it what we need to do? it does, what do we need to do? do we do tax incentives to get people

radio. >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 tonight. the rise from broadcaster conor tomlinson alongside me and new affairs columnist at the evening standard, emily sheffield . you standard, emily sheffield. you guys have been getting in touch about whether or not, well, we all know that there is a levelling up issue, isn't there? i personally do not believe that politicians care aiden i don't care which party, which politicians, because if they did actually really care about the difference between north and the south, the void would never the

gap would never have become so big would have been nipped in gap would never have become so big bud. uld have been nipped in gap would never have become so big bud. ad have been nipped in gap would never have become so big bud. a very/e been nipped in gap would never have become so big bud. a very long an nipped in gap would never have become so big bud. a very long time)ped in gap would never have become so big bud. a very long time ago. in the bud. a very long time ago. and a of people, when you and a lot of people, when you ask people the political ask people within the political sphere, how do you level up, people just think you get people to london quicker. that's all the . get people to the hs2 idea. get people to london quicker and then you will level that's signifi level up. that's signifi nificant the point if you nificant misses the point if you ask says again ask me. richard says again relocated things away from london would help with the levelling up. mark says eton is an incredibly work school . he an incredibly work school. he puts it in capitals. i know he means business, but he's saying he would question whether or not there's hidden agenda . is are there's hidden agenda. is are they trying to infiltrate the north with wokeness ? well, i'll north with wokeness? well, i'll leave you guys to figure out that one. right. the uk birthrate is a 20 year low. does this matter ? i'm going to get this matter? i'm going to get straight to the point because we can sit there and get into it all. but the nuts and bolts of it. people are having less kids. the lowest birthrate in about 20 years. what? years. and what? >> because if you have no >> yes, because if you have no one to be the custodian of your

culture, then frankly, the culture, then frankly, the culture falls apart and so the easiest way to do that is to transmit that straight from parent to child. and if you look at the data i've spoken to demographers who have dived into the raw numbers, who far the raw numbers, who are far more than and more intelligent than me, and they native population they said the native population on birth rate is 1.4, on british birth rate is 1.4, whereas the highest number of children for women is from indian nationals. and now live in the uk and for men it's from pakistani nationals are pakistani nationals that are in the different cultures the uk. so different cultures are be the more are going to be the more dominant in the years to dominant one in the years to come. frankly, i quite like come. and frankly, i quite like my culture, so my country and my culture, so i would to have it continue would like to have it continue andifs would like to have it continue and it's also not just the broader civilisation point as an individual of meaning. individual source of meaning. there are plenty of people, particularly young men particularly all the young men that about before, that we've spoken about before, that we've spoken about before, that depressed, that are feeling depressed, suicidal, have 27% of them suicidal, that have 27% of them have never had intimate have never had an intimate partner time they're 30. partner by the time they're 30. unprecedented . without unprecedented numbers. without children, to be a children, it's going to be a very long and lonely, difficult life for them if they want that. and there lots of and so there are lots of pressures, social and pressures, both social and economic, that are stopping younger from having

younger people from having families earlier. and they're miserable . families earlier. and they're misso ble . do families earlier. and they're misso ble .do you know they're >> so how do you know they're miserable? be really miserable? there might be really happy. might be sitting happy. there might be sitting there in their 20s and their 30s thinking high me, thinking high five to me, i'm a single are suicides at the >> why are suicides at the highest ever, particularly among young speaking, but young men? and i'm speaking, but i it's not because all i suspect it's not because all because people have kids because people don't have kids for a very large portion of them. whilst think the them. whilst would you think the incel come out? them. whilst would you think the ince not come out? them. whilst would you think the ince not one come out? them. whilst would you think the ince not one of come out? them. whilst would you think the ince not one of these come out? them. whilst would you think the ince not one of these people. out? i'm not one of these people. i've never had that sort of problem. but definitely for me and as 24 or 25 year and speaking as a 24 or 25 year old man like my granddad had four kids house by now. my four kids in house by now. my dad in by now, and dad kids in house by now, and they were earning less than i was, both working was, you know, both working class it's kicked class lads. it's been kicked down and loads of down the for can me and loads of other young men that i talk to. it's it's quite sad. it's difficult. it's quite sad. >> come back you. but >> i'll come back to you. but emily, your thoughts? >> i think he >> i think look, i think he makes lots of interesting, interesting and interesting and partially valid points. i would say. i think that the low birth rate , the reason we need to rate, the reason we need to worry about it really is because

the pressures on society are obviously that we're living much longer and we're going to that that that's great. i'm not having a go at people who are above 60, 70 or 80. i hope i live a nice, long, healthy life. but that is going to produce huge pressures on our health service, huge pressures our service, huge pressures on our tax system and the treasury to help pay to keep them going. they're sitting in houses is which and we're not building enough new ones for the young. so this very top so you've got this very top heavy population . they're also heavy population. they're also maybe to sitting in maybe going to be sitting in jobs or as we now, there's jobs or as we know now, there's a whole bunch of over 50 have retired stripped out the retired and stripped out the workforce. so is a problem workforce. so there is a problem in sort of youth in that you need a sort of youth culture bottom, um, to culture at the bottom, um, to encourage , to help look after encourage, to help look after the old. but also keep the economy going. >> so how do we stimulate then? because some people are saying about incentives. because some people are saying abowell, entives. because some people are saying abowell, enti because at the >> well, no, because at the moment they're doing moment what they're doing is we're in like high we're bringing in like high numbers so numbers of immigration. so although lower although we're having lower birth by the way, birth rates, which by the way, mirror of what's going on mirror a lot of what's going on in are bringing in in europe, we are bringing in a lot of immigration to fill a lot ofjobs

lot of immigration to fill a lot of jobs that we need to fill. so, um, i think a lot of people who here do assimilate in who move here do assimilate in society. you are right about some of the birth rates in certain, but i do think as you move down, as you as you're here for longer, i think everyone's moving that 1.4 to sort of moving to that 1.4 to sort of two kids. and i think there's two kids. and i think there's two things. i think one is definitely financial pressures, as women have come into as i think women have come into the and as a working the workplace and as a working mother myself , trying to juggle, mother myself, trying to juggle, unless you're incredibly wealthy and can have loads of support at home, nannies here, everything everywhere, you're going to really struggle mentally and physically to be a good parent. and that's the same for fathers . so there is a huge trend in both parents. >> i think it's good that so many are now into the many moms are now going into the having kids and then going into the world of work. >> do. but i think >> of course i do. but i think we've got much we need to we've got much what we need to move towards more is that men shouldn't feel guilty, that they may some of work may take some time out of work and after their children and look after their children because itching to because lots of men itching to come enjoying it. but i think come in enjoying it. but i think the other pressures are is that

i think people they want a sort of we've aspired to a different life than, say, your your dad and your grandfather did where people now expect or want to go on 2 or 3 holidays a year. they want to have a nice car in the driveway. they want to have a big telly. smartphones is i think it's that the priority of what people are spending their money on changed, has changed. >> you want it to come in? yeah. >> you want it to come in? yeah. >> so in terms of the priority of what people are spending their money on, lots of people are getting lots of these goods on credit, so they don't actually really own and actually really own them. and the spending the reason they're spending their of that their money on lots of that stuff because and this made stuff is because and this made me kirstie allsopp me laugh when kirstie allsopp ages well, just ages ago said, well, if you just cut your membership and cut out your gym membership and your account, you'll your netflix account, you'll have a home immediately. no, since 1997, my had since 1997, when my dad had a house was not even a house and i was not even a twinkle in his eye. house prices were three times the average income. so it's income. now it's11, so it's just your earnings so just outpaced your earnings so much that lots of are much that lots of people are just going, well, i as just going, well, i may as well rent buy on the never rent and buy things on the never never because i'll never

actually own place actually own my own place anyway. far the economy anyway. as far as the economy goes house one, some goes on that house one, some people this and say, people will watch this and say, well, if your dad bought his house, whenever his now house, whenever his house now presumably gone up in value, presumably has gone up in value, so in his so he will have equity in his property be able to release property to be able to release eqtu property to be able to release equity get on the house equity and get you on the house ladder he wanted to. well, ladder if he wanted to. well, eventually, but not by the time that have kids, that i'm able to have kids, really. mean, what's happening really. i mean, what's happening as with all the money as you said, with all the money locked the property market locked up in the property market is of waiting is everyone's sort of waiting around to die around for the boomers to die off. and it's like, i don't want that. i've got both sets of my grandparents still alive. i'd rather start my rather be able to start my family without having them go extinct quite extinct because i'd quite like them meet their them to be able to meet their great that'd great grandkids. that'd be wonderful. the wonderful. as far as the economy, very valid point. economy, yes, very valid point. but need to restructure but then we need to restructure the shouldn't the economy because it shouldn't just have essentially just be that we have essentially a whole generation of children who tax to for who are tax cattle to pay for entitlement programs we entitlement programs that we can't and then can't quite pay for. and then the point that was going the other point that i was going to gone to make, that's completely gone from that's bit from childcare. that's a bit perfect. issue, you perfect. the other issue, if you just need just say that dads need more paid and mums need to paid time off and mums need to be get back to work

be able to get back to work quicker, that increases the ratcheting effect that has made it less people kids ratcheting effect that has made it the ;s people kids ratcheting effect that has made it the reasonle kids ratcheting effect that has made it the reason everything's because the reason everything's so because so expensive is because the state wants everything to register and register on a gdp graph and everything to have change everything to have money change hands. what you need is hands. so what you need is economic allow economic restructure to allow more home with more mums to stay home with their want to. why? >> why is there more mums to stay >> why is there more mums to stajbecause in early years of >> because in the early years of childhood ones that childhood they're the ones that are equipped are biologically equipped to take said but what take care of said kids. but what about dads? >> dads can do that. >> dads can do that. >> can't breastfeed. >> dads can do that. >> no, can't breastfeed. >> dads can do that. >> no, they n't breastfeed. >> dads can do that. >> no, they n't br breastfeed. >> no, they can't breastfeed. but give very brief but i will give you a very brief biology lesson here. women can express bottles biology lesson here. women can expthei bottles biology lesson here. women can expthe dads bottles biology lesson here. women can expthe dads to bottles biology lesson here. women can expthe dads to feed. bottles for the dads to feed. >> yeah, sure. and i think >> okay. yeah, sure. and i think more spend more time more dads should spend more time at what at home because that's what we did the industrial did before the industrial revolution. but also the woman has the has gestated the child. the child the child knows the voice and the physical and physical contact of the mum. and so it actually soothes their level of blood cortisol and it helps them bond develop helps them bond and develop more. so that sounds like an excuse men excuse to me because men don't want at with their kids. >> if your wife's if your wife's pregnant and the man's talking to and go on the to the child and we go on the lines women that the lines that women that the children can hear, then they're going the voice and going to know the dads voice and the nearly as the mom's voice not nearly as common obviously common because the mum obviously spends more with them. spends more time with them. >> also like can >> but it's also like i can speak just from personal

experience knowing experience and also knowing the, you that's you know, i know a guy that's going baby soon. he going to have a baby soon. he very wants to spend time very much wants to spend time around his wife and his to be child, of purpose around his wife and his to be ch being of purpose around his wife and his to be ch being a of purpose around his wife and his to be ch being a man>f purpose around his wife and his to be ch being a man is purpose around his wife and his to be ch being a man is to purpose around his wife and his to be ch being a man is to be rpose around his wife and his to be ch being a man is to be ables around his wife and his to be ch being a man is to be able to of being a man is to be able to go make sacrifice, go out and make sacrifice, to bnng go out and make sacrifice, to bring care bring home the ability to care for dependents, wife for those dependents, your wife and there's also the and child. so there's also the meaningful sacrifice that a man can to sure that can make is to make sure that his a comfortable life. his wife has a comfortable life. well, there you go. >> agree with that ? are >> do you agree with that? are you do you think that >> do you agree with that? are you role do you think that >> do you agree with that? are you role in do you think that >> do you agree with that? are you role in lifeyou think that >> do you agree with that? are you role in life isu think that >> do you agree with that? are you role in life is to hink that >> do you agree with that? are you role in life is to providet your role in life is to provide for your wife and kids? are you a you believe a woman? do you believe that actually to actually you want to be dependent guy ? i don't dependent on a guy? i don't know. you get in touch and let me as well, do we me know. and also as well, do we need give tax incentives to need to give tax incentives to help people have more children ? help people have more children? and you tell me. i'll tell you what you do want to do with your kids, on kids, though. take them on holiday. especially kids, though. take them on holidithe especially kids, though. take them on holidithe weather especially kids, though. take them on holidithe weather easecially kids, though. take them on holidithe weather easecialas it when the weather is as bad as it is in this country. look. is in this country. have a look. >> warm feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news evening. weather on. gb news evening. >> i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news a mixture

of sunshine and showers to come on friday and a cooler feel for many, particularly across east anglia in the south—east where it's been warm and humid it's been quite warm and humid today we've seen few today and we've seen a few thunderstorms this thunderstorms as a result. this low pressure sitting across northern scotland is still providing some heavy showers here and they'll keep going through night. of here and they'll keep going through night . of those through the night. any of those showers across the showers still left across the south—east fading away now . south—east are fading away now. so england and wales so much of england and wales will overnight will become dry overnight and it will become dry overnight and it will a cooler night certainly will be a cooler night certainly than the past couple of nights for many temperatures well down into in into single figures in some rural locations. most towns and cities about 10 or 11 to start friday. now, we will start off with a fair bit of sunshine, certainly over the midlands south wales, much northeast south wales, much of northeast england to elsewhere. there'll be more of a mixture of sunshine and and through day and showers and through the day showers widely showers will develop more widely . still suspect a good . but i still suspect a good chunk of the day will be dry, particularly for east anglia and the south—east. shower the south—east. the shower is fairly not fairly well scattered, not particularly , it will fairly well scattered, not pa|a cularly , it will fairly well scattered, not pa|a fairly( , it will fairly well scattered, not pa|a fairly wet , it will fairly well scattered, not pa|a fairly wet and it will fairly well scattered, not pa|a fairly wet and increasingly be a fairly wet and increasingly windy across the far north windy day across the far north of scotland everywhere of scotland and everywhere fairly cool for the end of

august. high teens for most at best. saturday is a similar story again. yes some sunshine, but of showers, showers but plenty of showers, showers and saturday could be fairly heavy, quite slow moving in places with risk thunder places with the risk of thunder as well. quite blustery across parts wales and south—west parts of wales and south—west england. another cool feeling day, cool all weekend. day, staying cool all weekend. but after some heavy showers on saturday should turn a bit drier for most of us. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> one of my viewers on twitter says, connor, thank you for acknowledging the boomers and loved the comments on mothers and grandparents as well . come and grandparents as well. come on, michelle, give him a break. he's right. stuff your feminist tropes. that's not all. it's cracked up to be either. well, there you go . what did you miss there you go. what did you miss that conversation whether that conversation about whether or need to be having or not we all need to be having more if so, how do you more kids and if so, how do you encourage that? coming up after the . break, 175,000 asylum

the. break, 175,000 asylum claims are still waiting to be processed. what an absolute joke. how on earth are the government going to clear that

radio. >> hello there michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. >> alongside me, the writer and broadcaster conor tomlinson and the columnist at the evening standard, emily sheffield keeps me company. lots of you getting in touch about that. north south divide and whether or not eton moving up north will help matters . one of you just saying, matters. one of you just saying, i think it was susan. yeah. susan, what you're saying is basically the wealthy people will house in that will just buy a house in that area, but actually it's not going like that. going to work like that. it's based academic selection. going to work like that. it's basecould academic selection. going to work like that. it's basecould live emic selection. going to work like that. it's basecould live onic selection. going to work like that. it's basecould live on thelection. going to work like that. it's basecould live on the back»n. going to work like that. it's basecould live on the back door you could live on the back door to it and i don't think that would help you, quite frankly. lots in fact, i found lots of you. in fact, i found this one interesting, mike, talking about north—south talking about the north—south divide. you're saying a divide. you're saying i'm a proud think proud northerner. and i think people live london or people who live near london or in london have a smug attitude.

they think that they are better mentally than northerners and more intelligent . et cetera. do more intelligent. et cetera. do you feel like that ? get in touch you feel like that? get in touch and let me know your thoughts. kathy as am kathy you're suspicious. as am i. you're saying that these private they're trying private schools, they're trying to branch these areas to branch out in these areas because change because they think that change is a faults when comes to is a faults when it comes to some perks that they some of the perks that they perhaps moving perhaps get. but anyway, moving on, 175,000 old people. yes, you did hear me right. that is the number of people that are still waiting for their asylum claims to be processed. just to give you some context, that is an increase of 44% on last year. i've got to say, conor , i think i've got to say, conor, i think this is an absolute joke. i think this is all out of control. i've said multiple times now that this government have lost control. no one even has any answers to what to has any answers as to what to do. so i'm hoping that might do. so i'm hoping that you might have fix this? have some how do you fix this? >> want to hire lot of >> if they want to hire a lot of people help process the people to help process the claims, take £10 an hour to claims, i'll take £10 an hour to write every one of write no on every single one of them. think lots of british them. i think lots of british people hard working, people now who are hard working, who can see the amount of their areas have been with

areas that have been filled with hotels will hotels full of people who will ditch documents who ditch their documents, who get lost asylum system based lost in the asylum system based on spurious claims, are just sick we don't want to be sick of it. we don't want to be spending £8 million a day in taxpayer cash could go taxpayer cash that could go elsewhere in own elsewhere or back in our own pockets . it's on who come pockets. it's on people who come from non—war torn areas. plenty of are exploiting the of people are exploiting the asylum and the human asylum system and the human traffickers that will take them over channel just so they over the channel just so they can and smoke on can sit in a hotel and smoke on my money. so i think generally speaking, out my money. so i think generally spe home out my money. so i think generally spe home nations out my money. so i think generally spe home nations that out the home nations that these people sanction those the home nations that these peoplenations sanction those the home nations that these peoplenations if sanction those the home nations that these peoplenations if theyrction those the home nations that these peoplenations if they keep those home nations if they keep letting their people. >> because letting their people. >. lot because letting their people. >.lot of because letting their people. >.lot of these because letting their people. >.lot of these people because letting their people. >.lot of these people tookecause letting their people. >.lot of these people took their; a lot of these people took their documents in the channel so you don't they come from. >> fl f.- f. >> well, we know quite a few. so we for example, albania we know, for example, albania had last had a massive influx from last yeah had a massive influx from last year. know there year. we also know that there are a of north african are quite a lot of north african men using social media men who are using social media accounts others to the accounts to invite others to the uk. so and that's that's something that i've reported on on my outlet as well. so we know quite a few of these places, these these people are coming from and they're not torn from and they're not war torn and they don't have legitimate asylum from asylum claims like people from afghanistan interpreting asylum claims like people from afgbehalfan interpreting asylum claims like people from afgbehalfan british erpreting asylum claims like people from afgbehalfan british army.ng on behalf of the british army. so them around,

so just turn them around, send them you've no them home because you've got no more here than more entitlement to be here than than well yeah, but than anyone else. well yeah, but the way you ascertain the only way you ascertain entitlement them. entitlement is to process them. >> is flaw in the >> and this is the flaw in the plan. what's your do you have any solutions ? any solutions? >> well, i'm afraid, conor , it's >> well, i'm afraid, conor, it's like it's very nice that you've got this, like, view that you'll be paid £10 an hour to go. no no, but that's not going to help because that's not processing an application. saying application. that's just saying , no. the point is we need to process the application. they do . do. i think it's got to the point they need to create point where they need to create a sort of task force to deal with literally like with this backlog literally like they vaccine task they did with the vaccine task force they to get force where they need to get a sort outside of civil sort of outside of the civil service, special ists service, bring in special ists who are going to look at the system hell are system and go, how the hell are we going to get rid of this backlog ? because the reason why backlog? because the reason why it is costing the state so much money is because, yes, these asylum seekers, whether they are genuine like the afghans, which i would like to point out, were the second highest number coming to country, 10,000 of to this country, 10,000 of them. so not all just dismiss

so let's not all just dismiss them as people trying to jump into country, but they're into the country, but they're not all they're all our interpreters. >> didn't all work with us. >> they didn't all work with us. there's that are there's lots of people that are just coming from afghanistan because the taliban, because it fell to the taliban, because it fell to the taliban, because country. because it fell to the taliban, becwell, country. because it fell to the taliban, becwell, that's country. because it fell to the taliban, becwell, that's understandable. >> well, that's understandable. but they're >> well, that's understandable. but to they're >> well, that's understandable. but to claim they're >> well, that's understandable. but to claim refugeee >> well, that's understandable. but to claim refugee status, allowed to claim refugee status, if for if they're being tortured for whatever lot whatever reason, because a lot of help the americans of people did help the americans and the british over there. the point , it doesn't matter point being, it doesn't matter what think , why they're what you think, why they're here. is a process that's here. there is a process that's meant to deal with it. it's our asylum system. it's the system. a processing them that has completely broken down and they are languishing in hotels for years on the taxpayers bill, which is causing huge unrest, huge unhappiness , especially huge unhappiness, especially when some of these hotels are being used because they're cheap in some of the poorest parts of this country. i do understand why people are getting upset. they're you're not they're like, well, you're not dumping middle of dumping them in the middle of chelsea, are you? so i do. i understand people's frustration , anne, but is the system of , anne, but it is the system of processing them which is holding everything up. i also think that our law system, the court system

has got increasingly complex because you can set a law, but then with each case that maybe finds holes in it, that law then becomes more complex. i'm sorry, it's actually a very complex system. i'm trying to describe it in the most layman term , it in the most layman term, cheating the system as well, which is, of course, they are. but that is why the system needs to more robust to find those to be more robust to find those cheating and to check it. and unfortunately, there's a lot of people talking about how we need to leave the echr . i don't think to leave the echr. i don't think it's because of the very way that we deal with law in this country is that every time a case breaks the initial law that law then becomes more complex and there are more adjuncts to that original law. so it's almost as our system has developed, it has become far more complex, which is why you're getting like the aeroplanes not taking off to go to rwanda because it's being held up in the courts for perfectly legitimate reasons. but yes, some of them are playing the system. i'm not i'm not that. but this is

not denying that. but this is this is not that. i'm sorry , this is not that. i'm sorry, 175,000. that is a they from what i know, they don't even have enough staff to staff it. >> well, yeah, i would i would anyone have enough staff if you've got if you've got what. because a lot of because there's a lot of training that's got to take place . place. >> the job actually quite >> the job is actually quite complex but it seems to be deliberately complicated because let's put it this way, even if we turn around we left the echr, we turn around and join the 1951 un refugee convention you're convention that says you're a refugee unable refugee if you are unable or unwilling return your country. >> so just subjective . so >> so it's just a subjective. so they don't want to fix this problem. don't to problem. they don't want to fix it government problem. they don't want to fix it and government problem. they don't want to fix it and all/ernment problem. they don't want to fix it and all the ment problem. they don't want to fix it and all the people spending and all the people they can the count can cram into the hotels count on the sheet. it makes can cram into the hotels count on 1numbersheet. it makes can cram into the hotels count on 1numbers look it makes can cram into the hotels count on 1numbers look slightly akes can cram into the hotels count on 1numbers look slightly better the numbers look slightly better and it on and they don't want to fix it on the other because they know the other side because they know that if they incorporate these people legal that if they incorporate these people because legal that if they incorporate these people because they'reegal routes because they're financially dependent on the government, they'll have a dependent voter base. so the reason increasingly reason it's increasingly complicated and it's never fixed is because there are perverse incentives government is because there are perverse incetoives government is because there are perverse incetoives it. government is because there are perverse incetoives it. while ernment is because there are perverse incetoives it. while peoplet not to solve it. while people who have these hotels in who have these hotels built in their area are we, the their area are saying we, the world are on our doorstep, is

changing, can you fix this for us? >> so you actually think that they're deliberate, allowing this so bad ? yes. this to get so bad? yes. >> the reason is, is >> and also the reason is, is because do always hear because what do you always hear in we're in the five promises? we're going small boats. going to stop the small boats. great. the small great. please stop the small boats. the million boats. what about the million plus you gave last plus visas you gave last year? what about the net million migration that we're expecting? what 15 new what about the 15 to 18 new cities the of birmingham? cities the size of birmingham? we're to build by we're going to have to build by 2046 with the amount of 2046 to deal with the amount of people into the country. people coming into the country. it's a distraction, technique, distraction, technique. it's a distraction, technique, distracti do technique. it's a distraction, technique, distracti do teciagree? in >> is it do you agree? well, in fact, who do you agree with different get different opinions on here? get in me in touch and let me know. a quick and i come quick break. and when i come back, lot to ask you back, i've got a lot to ask you about andrew he back, i've got a lot to ask you abo taxpayer andrew he back, i've got a lot to ask you abo taxpayer funded he back, i've got a lot to ask you abo taxpayer funded security?e get taxpayer funded security? yes or no? covid are we going to see a new variant? do we need to go back? i'm going to try and squeeze that in as well. so let

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you still 7:00 tonight alongside the writer and broadcaster conor tomlinson and the columnist at the evening standard, emily sheffield. i was

saying i was going to try and squeeze both topics in if i can. covid and prince andrew. emily was asking me why i'm going to be talking about bare topics again. i'm not. that is just my accent. birth topics is what i was trying to say. look, let's we'll get straight into this , we'll get straight into this, shall we? prince andrew of course, he has been marred by lots of controversy and there's been conversations now about whether or not the taxpayers should be paying for him to have state backed, secure charity. the reason that we've had in this conversation is priti patel basically suggested that it might need to be reconsidered his arrangements and that email was leaked into the media, which i think is pretty disgraceful actually, because i don't know why people feel it appropriate to government business to to leak government business to the media, but that notwithstanding that , do you notwithstanding that, do you think that prince andrew should have payer funded security have tax payer funded security or not? >> no, i don't think he's lived up afforded him up to the duties afforded to him by his station. and i think no matter what his affiliation with

jeffrey epstein was , it throws jeffrey epstein was, it throws his character into disrepute , his character into disrepute, along with, i suppose, all of the other people that ghislaine maxwell was prosecuted for. oh, no, i forget . she was prosecuted no, i forget. she was prosecuted for trafficking people to absolutely no one, of course. but i think that andrew but i think that prince andrew doesn't deserve any kind of taxpayer security simply taxpayer funded security simply because he doesn't represent the interests of the people of this country . and reputation country. and his reputation has such dark cloud hanging over such a dark cloud hanging over it. don't see why he hasn't he it. i don't see why he hasn't he hasn't served us so shouldn't. >> that's a fat from you, emily. >> same fat? no but for also the reason that he has been stripped of all royal duties. so there is absolutely no reason why the taxpayer should funding him. taxpayer should be funding him. the funding him the palace has been funding him themselves. not, not. not the royal family have been funding them out of their own money because, are because, of course, they are incredibly because, of course, they are incre�*own right . but because, of course, they are incre�*own right. but i find it their own right. but i find it quite extraordinary that he would have even got into this conversation . but, i mean, conversation. but, i mean, i find it utterly extraordinary what apologise now, what is that to apologise now, priti basically priti patel basically for any embarrassment caused embarrassment that she's caused and why even but why even go

down there? i mean, i don't know whether she was trying to ingratiate the ingratiate herself with the royal something. royal household or something. i have idea. but that have no idea. but that definitely wasn't topic definitely wasn't the topic to try ingratiate yourself with. >> yeah, all very odd, but >> yeah, it's all very odd, but i whole way that i just think this whole way that we as now we just accept as the norm now that leaked to that something's been leaked to the media, i can't get my head around apparently around how secure apparently government comms get leaked in this way. no even bats an this way. no one even bats an eyelid. anyway, covid got eyelid. but anyway, covid got a hit that weight every time i hear that word covid, it makes me because i just me want to cringe because i just want pack in. want to go oh god, pack it in. but new covid variant but anyway, new covid variant apparently has been detected in the uk. it's causing concerns among different scientists. it's all in different countries basically. and some people are now saying that we need to look at returning to some of the covid measures, whether it's mask or social distancing or whatever . uh, what do you mask or social distancing or whatever. uh, what do you make to it? >> conor absolutely not, because all of the covid measures were evil, and caused evil, ineffective and caused immeasurable of harms to immeasurable numbers of harms to children's development, miscarriage diagnoses. when john hopkins university reviewed 19

000 , nearly 19,500 studies, they 000, nearly 19,500 studies, they did a meta analysis and they found that all the covid measures only saved 1700 lives in total in england and wales. and so those are eclipsed by all of other harms conducted of the other harms conducted also, if you think that that's just conspiracy just a far right conspiracy theory, the bill and melinda gates a meta gates foundation funded a meta analysis of the american analysis of all of the american states they states in the lancet, and they found the thing that found that the only thing that was supposedly saving lives was the actually, the vaccine. actually, the masks just dropped just may have slightly dropped transmission, effect transmission, but had no effect on death so why does it on death rates. so why does it matter variant matter if there's a new variant that's lethal, barely that's far less lethal, barely even killing even detectable? isn't killing anyone. even detectable? isn't killing anyone . it just seems to me that anyone. it just seems to me that they they just want impose they they just want to impose social control again. >> no you, emily. >> okay. there was a lot a lot went in there. no, i don't think went in there. no, i don't think we to at stage. we need to at this stage. you know , people love bringing up know, people love bringing up the subject, whether to the subject, whether we need to put the mask back on again. this variant the variant has not by the scientists said variant has not by the scierit's s said variant has not by the scierit's going said variant has not by the scierit's going to said variant has not by the scierit's going to be said variant has not by the scierit's going to be nothing that it's going to be nothing like with in like what we first dealt with in the and most of us the first wave. and most of us are vaccinated now . most of us are vaccinated now. most of us have got natural immunity immunisation anyway . they say immunisation anyway. they say this variant isn't nearly as strong as the first one, so why

would we why would we even sort of think about it? we have to start thinking about covid as becoming like another flu based. anything that we deal with a sniffle, a flu. admittedly, i did test myself the other day because i was feeling a bit rotten and there is a huge wave of people around who have had it. >> i was just about to say in this country, 22,241.783 at the number of cases is apparently in the last seven days we've had 57,000 odd cases. and i was sitting there thinking , who on sitting there thinking, who on god's green earth is still testing themselves for covid? but answered , why but you've just answered, why are you testing yourself for covid? >> i just felt like i was i wanted to know why i was feeling ill. >> so you got you took this covid test and did it say you had covid? no. right and then if it did say you had covid, what would you have done? >> because then >> i don't know, because then i was like, i'm about to go was a bit like, i'm about to go and whole bunch of and stay with a whole bunch of people countryside and people in the countryside and they've got kids like with all my sisters and stuff. people are

still funny about covid still a bit funny about covid because don't want get because they don't want to get ill don't go and ill. a bit like you don't go and stay people. a house full stay with people. a house full of you've got really of people, if you've got really bad i had been bad flu. because i had been feeling like ten feeling quite ill for like ten days. think it just comes days. so i think it just comes down bit respectful , down to being a bit respectful, all that. ill and all that. if you're ill and you've horrible cold and you've got a horrible cold and or got flu , you don't or you have got flu, you don't you you asked, asked even you know, you asked, asked even now in schools or this office, you your your co—workers don't want you to come in and give them all really nasty flus just before christmas. so i think that's just i think that's just good manners. it wasn't that i naturally thought , oh, naturally sort of thought, oh, god, going to really god, they're going to be really freaking out i've got covid. >> yeah, i've to >> yeah, i've got to say, i wouldn't myself for covid wouldn't test myself for covid because then like you say, it puts you in this conundrum. then if you've done this covid test and is and you think that covid is perhaps have perhaps what people have terrified you into , i don't terrified you into, i don't know. do you still test yourself for covid? if so, do tell me why i'm absolutely fascinated. and what would you do? what would i'm absolutely fascinated. and what w if ld you do? what would i'm absolutely fascinated. and what w if indeed do? what would i'm absolutely fascinated. and what w if indeed you what would i'm absolutely fascinated. and what w if indeed you found nould i'm absolutely fascinated. and what w if indeed you found out d you do if indeed you found out that you did have covid? would it change your behaviour or not?

all is never again, all i would say is never again, never again actually, would i ever be forced to behave the way that country had that that the country had to on that previous covid clown world, i would call it, quite frankly, anyway , emily, nice to have you. anyway, emily, nice to have you. we've enjoyed your company. first time panellist , lots of first time panellist, lots of people getting in touch saying that loved your that they loved your contribution, you are very contribution, that you are very welcome come again. so welcome to come back again. so there you go. connor, a pleasure. always. and you pleasure. as always. and you know the drill as well, don't you?ifs know the drill as well, don't you? it's not just about us. it is much about you at is very much about you guys at home. for your home. so thank you for your company , for watching and company, for watching and listening. do not go anywhere. nigel farage is up next. i'm off for the bank holiday. nigel farage is up next. i'm off for the bank holiday . yes. so for the bank holiday. yes. so i'll see you on tuesday. have a good one. >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> evening . weather on. gb news. >> evening. i'm weather on. gb news. >> evening . i'm alex deakin. >> evening. i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news a mixture of sunshine and showers to come on friday and showers to come on friday and cooler feel for many, and a cooler feel for many, particularly across east anglia in the south east where it's

been warm humid today been quite warm and humid today and a few and we've seen a few thunderstorms result. this thunderstorms as a result. this low pressure sitting across northern scotland is still providing heavy showers providing some heavy showers here and they'll keep going through night. any of those through the night. any of those showers left across showers still left across the south—east now. south—east are fading away now. so england and wales so much of england and wales will dry overnight and it will become dry overnight and it will become dry overnight and it will become dry overnight and it will be a cooler night certainly than past couple of nights than the past couple of nights for temperatures down for many temperatures well down into single figures in some rural locations. most towns and cities about 10 or 11 to start friday. now, we will start off with bit of sunshine and with a fair bit of sunshine and certainly the midlands, certainly over the midlands, south much northeast south wales, much of northeast england elsewhere, there'll england to elsewhere, there'll be more of a mixture sunshine be more of a mixture of sunshine and showers and the day and showers and through the day showers more showers will develop more widely. i still suspect widely. but i still suspect a good chunk of the day will be dry, for east dry, particularly for east anglia south—east. the anglia and the south—east. the showers fairly well scattered, not but it not particularly heavy, but it will fairly wet and will be a fairly wet and increasingly windy day across the north of scotland and the far north of scotland and everywhere cool for the everywhere fairly cool for the end of august. high teens for most at best, saturday is a similar story again. some similar story again. yes, some sunshine , but plenty of showers,

sunshine, but plenty of showers, showers and saturday could be fairly heavy, quite slow moving in where the risk of in places where the risk of thunder as well, quite blustery across parts of wales and south—west england . another cool south—west england. another cool feeling cool all feeling day, staying cool all weekend. but after some heavy showers on saturday should turn a drier most of us. the a bit drier for most of us. the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on .

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destiny and he made serious