stop the government's failure to stop the boats and is it putting our safety at risk? second, should we pay climate reparations to developing countries? remember when nicola sturgeon promised £5 million for climate reparations while humza yousaf has upped the ante and pledged £24 million? this despite the scottish government's £1 billion financial black hole . makes financial black hole. makes sense of that. then sadiq khan has of course doubled down on his claim that anti ulez outrage has been stoked up by covid deniers and conspiracy theorists . this after the government was advised that they would not be able to block the expansion . it able to block the expansion. it got me thinking does the mayor have ever so slightly too much power or do you think the more devolution, the better? and lastly, should the older generation be taxed more ? the generation be taxed more? the ifs claimed baby boomers ifs has claimed baby boomers wealth is being undertaxed . but wealth is being undertaxed. but believe it or not. what do you think? let me know. i'll introduce my panel in just one moment. but first, let's get the latest news with aaron armstrong

i >> -- >> very good evening to you. it's a minute past six. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. the director of the british museum says he's stepping down with immediate effect after the discovery of alleged thefts from the institution over a period of two decades. in a statement, hartwig fischer said the museum didn't respond as comprehensively as it should have done response to should have done in response to warnings it received in 2021. he accepted that responsibility for that failure must ultimately rest with the director and his continued presence was proving a distraction in millions of households are expected to pay more for their energy this winter, despite a reduction of the price cap energy regulator ofgem says bills will be £150 cheaper from october first, with average households paying just under £2,000 a year. however, expert at the resolution foundation think tank say the reduction of government support and a small increase in the

standing charge will actually increase bills for1 in 3 homes , or 7.2 million people across the uk. however the prime minister maintains the price cap cut is good for everyone. >> we took decisive action after putins illegal war to help families by imposing a windfall tax on energy companies, using that money to provide about £1,500 of support to a typical household. but i know things are still tough and that's why we are working night and day to bnng are working night and day to bring down inflation so that the money in people's pockets can go further. >> however, charities are warning the price cut offers little relief for vulnerable customers concerned about bills this winter. >> i have arthritis and i've found that i haven't been able to put my heating on in the winter as much, and it's caused a lot of difference to my health in the house. >> you know, you can see your smart metre and it's rising , you smart metre and it's rising, you know, showers and then boiling the kettle and you really realise how much it costs per time. then a lot of people are going to suffer really, really

bad. >> i mean they reckon the energy costs are coming down. i don't think they're coming down that much by much. i mean when you think they're making billions out of the customer out there and i think it's appalling. i think they should give people more help. >> young british women are often reportedly drunk or in a state of undress are being featured in adverts by people smugglers. gb news can exclusively reveal multiple accounts have been discovered with a cyber source telling us he believes they're fronts for people smuggling gangs. it's claimed the videos are being used to entice young men to travel to the uk and europe , using the services of europe, using the services of those criminal gangs. members of a gang who organised people smuggling crossings from france and belgium to the uk have been sentenced to a total of 13 years in prison. albanians banished to ghana clodion change jetmir myrtaj and the british national desmond rice were jailed for a

number of crossings using an inflatable boat. the national crime agency is appealing for information on the whereabouts of another man, arsen fecci, whose aged 44 from nottingham. he was charged with assisting unlawful immigration and was bailed in march . he is believed bailed in march. he is believed to have fled abroad . the spanish to have fled abroad. the spanish government has started legal to action suspend the president of the country's fa for an unsolicited kiss at the women's world cup . luis rubiales has world cup. luis rubiales has refused to resign for kissing striker jenni hermoso on the lips after spain's1—0 win against england . he claims it against england. he claims it was mutual. while the world governing body fifa has also opened disciplinary proceedings against the 46 year old, a murder investigation is underway after a man's body was found at after a man's body was found at a home in manchester. police were responding to reports of a stolen dog when they found 45 year old donald patience on tuesday day. he was declared dead at the scene . three men dead at the scene. three men were arrested on suspicion of murder of have been

murder. two of them have been released on bail. and a drink driver who killed a cyclist and hid his body with the help of his twin brother has been jailed for 12 years. alex zander mckellar admitted causing the death of tony parsons after hitting him with a car near argyle and bute in september 2017. he then buried mr parsons bodyin 2017. he then buried mr parsons body in a remote peat bog and disposed of evidence linking him to the collision. his twin brother, robert, helped him cover up the crime and he has been sentenced to five years and three months in jail . this is gb three months in jail. this is gb news. i'll be back with more in about an hour's time. but now it's over to . emily it's over to. emily >> welcome to dewbs& co with me, emily carver. so with me this evening is my wonderful panel, reem ibrahim, communication officer at the institute of economic affairs . and we have economic affairs. and we have aaron bastani, the founder of novara with us now. we've novara media with us now. we've got a lot to get through this evening. this friday evening, you can get in touch with us

about everything we talk about gbviews@gbnews.com or can gbviews@gbnews.com or you can tweet us at news. we've got tweet us at gb news. we've got a lot to get through. so let's go first to our gb news exclusive. we can exclusively reveal that young british women often apparently drunk, sometimes in state of undress, are being featured in adverts by people smuggling gangs. now, sources claim the videos are being used to entice young males to use the services of gangs in travelling to europe and the uk. this comes as as a people smuggling gang has been jailed for 13 years for transporting young albanians to europe . so reem, let me come to europe. so reem, let me come to you on this. obviously, this is disturbing stuff that people smugglers are using, essentially pictures of young women getting drunk in not a lot of clothes , drunk in not a lot of clothes, using this as some kind of attraction to come to the uk. is this, in your view, being used as bait? how worried are you about these sort of things when you see this? >> i mean, look, it's incredibly disturbing and we see with the statistics around sexual assault

with these particular minority groups, it tends to be quite high. i will say. however, i don't think that the majority of people come to this country people that come to this country illegally are coming here because look at because they want to look at these british women these young british women without a lot of clothing. i think would an unfair think that would be an unfair characterisation current characterisation of the current situation. does show, situation. what it does show, however, is the callous nature situation. what it does show, hothese is the callous nature situation. what it does show, hothese criminalallous nature situation. what it does show, hothese criminal gangs,|ature situation. what it does show, hothese criminal gangs, ande situation. what it does show, hothese criminal gangs, and it of these criminal gangs, and it really show actually really does show that actually they entice young they are trying to entice young people to come over to this country. and actually they're not fleeing war not really they're fleeing war a lot of the time. they are actually there for economic reasons or alternative reasons. but this story really does show the callous nature of those particular gangs aaron. particular criminal gangs aaron. >> you think women should be >> do you think women should be worried when they see these types of advertisements ? it's types of advertisements? it's luring men over here, showing them that there are british women in a state of undress ? women in a state of undress? well, not undress, wearing not a lot of clothes, let's be honest. going out, clothes , clubbing, going out, clothes, clubbing, clubbing, clothes, clubbing, clothes . basically what we used clothes. basically what we used to wear at university , probably to wear at university, probably and dated, drunk as

and inebriate dated, drunk as some kind of showcase of why you might want to come to this country. i mean, if it's being used for these advertisements, surely that's what it's there for. it's a tricky one to talk about. >> no, it's very disturbing. i mean, it's obviously a very important story to break. i had never even occurred to me. obviously, when you see the evidence it, it makes perfect evidence of it, it makes perfect sense. i think what reem said is quite right. major quite right. the major incentives people come incentives for people to come here, firstly, people here, firstly, it's people seeking breakdown , seeking war, civil breakdown, maybe persecution, also economic migration is very real. i think it's really important say it's really important to say this your audience this as well. if your audience there is a very thin line. i think, between economic migrants and people fleeing some these and people fleeing some of these countries. and countries. so the number one and two people coming two countries for people coming to uk right now the to the uk right now with the channel are afghanistan and iran. are countries iran. those are countries subject economic sanctions. subject to economic sanctions. one was occupied for several decades , and i think it's decades, and i think it's perfectly possible for an afghan to fleeing to leave afghanistan fleeing persecution, but also for quote unquote, economic reasons. i think that's a very important observation , but it does really observation, but it does really get to the heart of how

deplorable some of these people are. suppose for them, are. and i suppose for them, they it as very cheap, they view it as very cheap, quote unquote advertising. but i agree will be very low down agree this will be very low down on the list of priorities for those making the journey, whether would welcome whether or not you would welcome them. i can't it's them. i can't imagine it's a reason to go through mountains in turkey, iraq and across the channel. >> yeah, because the accusation when you talk about issues like this is that what you're essentially saying that i'm saying that every man who crosses over in a dinghy is a threat to young women in this country . and i am not saying country. and i am not saying that at all. but if you have hordes of young men coming over , which we do have is that more likely, as feminists say , that likely, as feminists say, that men can be misogynistic , they men can be misogynistic, they can behave in ways that put women under threat ? are we not women under threat? are we not making that risk of sexual violence worse by having such well, having, you know, people coming over in dinghies in such large numbers ?

large numbers? >> i think i think the data would indicate, you know, that's an open question. what we do know that the majority of know is that the majority of sexual cases happen a sexual assault cases happen to a woman they're actioned by a man woman. they're actioned by a man that would know or in their that they would know or in their immediate it's immediate social circles, it's very of being very much a trope of being violently by a stranger very much a trope of being victhetly by a stranger very much a trope of being victhe middle by a stranger very much a trope of being victhe middle of by a stranger very much a trope of being victhe middle of the a stranger very much a trope of being victhe middle of the night.nger in the middle of the night. horrific. and can understand horrific. and you can understand why captures people's imagination. not what imagination. but that's not what most assault look most sexual assault cases look like terms of the reality of like in terms of the reality of this wonder you this as well. i wonder for you know, true that know, it's obviously true that people going to a new culture may as familiar with the may not be as familiar with the habhs may not be as familiar with the habits the that they habits of the people that they find living with. and find themselves living with. and i that's inevitably true find themselves living with. and i somebodyinevitably true find themselves living with. and i somebody coming.y true find themselves living with. and i somebody coming from; find themselves living with. and i somebody coming from an for somebody coming from an ultra conservative like ultra conservative society like afghanistan. i wonder why is afghanistan. but i wonder why is this an issue for people this such an issue for people coming here via the channel coming over here via the channel and dinghies and yet nobody's saying it with regards to the you think last year we you know, i think last year we had immigration of 600 and had a net immigration of 600 and something thousand . well, it's something thousand. well, it's interesting that you the interesting that you say the vast legal. so vast majority that was legal. so why people not that why are people not saying that about migrants? about the legal migrants? >> people do say it and >> i think people do say it and they don't it on the they don't say it on the airwaves. and i think it is something that people are

worried about. clashes in culture, very culture, and it's a very difficult thing to about difficult thing to talk about asylum it? asylum seekers, isn't it? >> no. >> generally, no. >> generally, no. >> people discuss the worries about immigration of different cultures they fit cultures and how well they fit with culture. with british culture. >> but fundamentally, the difference between legal and illegal migration is that with legal migration , we their legal migration, we have their criminal we have their criminal records, we have their history, what they've history, we know what they've been up to in whichever country they've from. and that is they've come from. and that is they've come from. and that is the between the two. the difference between the two. obviously, we're talking obviously, when we're talking about seekers, i don't about asylum seekers, i don't think that the majority of asylum that coming asylum seekers that are coming to are sort of to this country are sort of coming here for these particular reasons because they want to harm women . course of harm women. of course some of them be. but i don't think them will be. but i don't think them will be. but i don't think the are the majority are mischaracterises situation. of course, them are coming course, many of them are coming for economic reasons. do . i for economic reasons. i do. i will disagree with that. and i do. i think that there isn't necessarily a fine line between economic and that economic migrants and those that are war. think that if are fleeing war. i think that if you're know, you're fleeing war, you know, you're fleeing war, you know, you're asylum seeker, you're a genuine asylum seeker, you're a genuine asylum seeker, you're afraid of you're fleeing, you're afraid of your life. i'll rephrase it. >> it's not a line, so to >> it's not a thin line, so to speak, i think somebody speak, but i think somebody might leave a country for more than one reason. >> of course, if

>> yeah, well, of course, if you're if you're living under an authoritarian regime, you know, the and that the economic prospects and that kind going kind of country aren't going to be very high. >> but assuming the >> but i'm assuming that the number why you leave number one reason why you leave the country is because you're afraid for your life. >> that's very one of the >> that's very true. one of the what just before about what reem said just before about how a difference how there is a difference between of illegal between concerns of illegal immigration those coming immigration or those coming by irregular and people who irregular means and people who have had their visas checked, had their background checks before they arrive in this country. we don't know a lot country. we don't know who a lot of are who are crossing. of the men are who are crossing. you old they are puts you know, how old they are puts the risk up, how old they are. >> many of these young people that are claiming to under that are claiming to be under 18 are actually older and they are actually much older and they end to our schools. end up coming to our schools. i mean, in itself, mean, that that in itself, i think is a is a is a fear. >> well, very much so. now i want to move on to another breaking news story that is as three people traffickers have actually been jailed today for 13 that strong enough? 13 years, is that strong enough? is that a strong enough deterrent? that a harsh deterrent? is that a harsh enough sentence? i don't know exactly what the breakdown is, but years doesn't tell

but 14 years doesn't tell terribly three people terribly much for three people smugglers. the smugglers. well this being the british system, british justice system, they'll be out in half that time because the you do thirds for the only you do two thirds for drug offences. >> and broadly it's >> and broadly speaking, it's and offences. but and very violent offences. but you're at about the you're looking at about half the time i think you time for this and i think you probably something similar. time for this and i think you pthinkly something similar. time for this and i think you pthink 13 something similar. time for this and i think you pthink 13 yearsomething similar. time for this and i think you pthink 13 years sounds1g similar. time for this and i think you pthink 13 years sounds like milar. i think 13 years sounds like a lot. you're out in six and lot. you you're out in six and a half. i would want that 13 years to probably mean 13 years, frankly. realistically , we frankly. but realistically, we you know, when you talk about that going prison and that going to prison and whatnot, that going to be whatnot, is that going to be a sufficient deterrent? you know, and probably is. if and i think it probably is. if you oh, well, going you think, oh, well, i'm going to lose than a decade of my to lose more than a decade of my life. yes. six and a half years, i wouldn't be so sure. >> it's not that long. is it? >> it's not that long. is it? >> behind bars for smuggling people across borders? >> really very long. >> it really isn't very long. and i mean, looked and clearly, i mean, we looked at callous of these at the callous nature of these particular gangs. they particular criminal gangs. they are people, telling particular criminal gangs. they are promising ople, telling particular criminal gangs. they are promising them telling particular criminal gangs. they are promising them that1g particular criminal gangs. they are promising them that they them, promising them that they will have better and will have a better life and they're in they're only going to be in prison it, six, prison for what is it, six, seven years, that maybe six seven years, if that maybe six if they have the chance for parole. you know, even earlier it could be even shorter. so it's absolutely to be

it's absolutely not going to be it's absolutely not going to be it's acceptable. 13 years, it's absolutely not going to be it's though)table. 13 years, it's absolutely not going to be it's though we le. 13 years, it's absolutely not going to be it's though we know years, it's absolutely not going to be it's though we know it'srs, it's absolutely not going to be it's though we know it's not even though we know it's not going happen. i think this is going to happen. i think this is fundamentally the fundamentally a problem with the british system. you british justice system. you know, all, know, know, we first of all, you know, criminalising individuals who are, potentially are, you know, potentially selling taking selling drugs or taking drugs, you know, non—viral and you know, non—viral crimes, and then this get to get then people like this get to get out years. i think that out in six years. i think that is a totally ridiculous policy. yeah should be a yeah i think it should be a harsher sentence, to be honest, because not only does the government try and deter government want to try and deter this of behaviour, it this type of behaviour, but it is pretty sick crime to, to is a pretty sick crime to, to traffic people. is a pretty sick crime to, to trafand eople. is a pretty sick crime to, to trafand i)ple. is a pretty sick crime to, to trafand i think 13 years does >> and i think 13 years does sound too little, especially sound far too little, especially as aaron says, that it as what aaron says, that it could half that in our could be half of that in our justice but there you justice system. but there you go. but in terms of these videos that have been used, these advertisements, these aren't the only type of advertisements. so these of young women these are of women, young women on the streets of britain tried to entice, potentially use as bait for those who would want to their pictures on the screen there of women out and about in their clothes going clubbing or whatever, out streets whatever, out on the streets a bit inebriated. but there's also been used of the hotel been videos used of the hotel

accommodation in, you know, single men lying back in a hotel looking like they're having a lovely time. come on, guys, join me. it's hard to not think that we're being taken the mick of. >> oh, absolutely. and i will say i think the welfare state is a huge reason for why people want to come to this country in the first why do people the first place. why do people leave safe country like france leave a safe country like france and to this country in and come to this country in particular? they're particular? well they're promised of stuff promised a whole load of stuff and if you're promised this, this life where the this incredible life where the government will paying for government will be paying for your room , the government government will be paying for your you room , the government government will be paying for your you know, , the government government will be paying for your you know, we 1e government government will be paying for your you know, we saw3vernment government will be paying for your you know, we saw recently tl will. you know, we saw recently those migrants being put up in pimlico. i'd love to live in pimlico. i'd love to live in pimlico. walk to work. pimlico. i could walk to work. i mean, you know, these individuals are not having to pay individuals are not having to pay this. the british pay for this. it's the british taxpayer having to foot taxpayer that is having to foot the bill. actually, what i would say solve problem say to solve this problem is those are asylum, on the those that are on asylum, on the asylum backlog, think it's asylum backlog, i think it's partly office problem. partly a home office problem. i think that seeking think those that are seeking asylum this country should be asylum in this country should be able to work whilst their applications are being processed. so can earn processed. so they can earn their than their own money rather than being taxpayer aaron. >> just very quickly, can you have immigration

have mass immigration and a welfare state? have mass immigration and a welwell,tate? have mass immigration and a welwell, itte? have mass immigration and a welwell, it depends what you >> well, it depends what you define as mass immigration. so what we currently have evidently europe has had mass for immigration decades since the end of the second world war, and it survived. and i think that's been up the last been ratcheted up in the last sort of 15 years. and your question is, can that continue? sort of 15 years. and your que an»n is, can that continue? sort of 15 years. and your que an»n is, question:ontinue? sort of 15 years. and your que an»n is, question .»ntinue? sort of 15 years. and your que an»n is, question . it's|ue? it's an open question. it's a very open question, i think. come on, me. i think come on, tell me. i think immigration the kind we're immigration of the kind we're seeing documented and documented immigration of the kind we're seithe documented and documented immigration of the kind we're seithe uk:umented and documented immigration of the kind we're seithe uk lastznted and documented immigration of the kind we're seithe uk lastznted sol documented immigration of the kind we're seithe uk lastznted so idocumented immigration of the kind we're seithe uk lastznted so i think1ented in the uk last year. so i think what net net immigration to this country is 600,000. i don't think can have a long term think you can have a long term social settlement social democratic settlement with . that said, we with with that. that said, we aren't enough children aren't having enough children ehhen aren't having enough children either. so think people who either. so i think people who want people coming here as want fewer people coming here as economic migrants, they need to get brits aren't having get real brits aren't having enough children. and problem enough children. and the problem there is with an ageing society and birth rates, you and falling birth rates, you have shrinking part of the have a shrinking part of the working population and they can't people who can't fund people who need pensions needs. pensions and care needs. >> okay. okay. have i have some kids? have some kids. kids? i have some kids. >> i'll get to your views in just a moment at home. >> but coming up, would you

support funded climate support taxpayer funded climate reparations? i'm asking because scotland's first minister thinks that scots owe some kind of compensation to developing countries because the climate crisis isn't their fault .

news radio. welcome back to dewbs& co. >> lots of you have been getting in touch about what we were talking about, the gb news exclusive of those adverts picturing women on a night out, on nights out, appearing drunk on nights out, appearing drunk on tiktok. this is a way that people smugglers are enticing young the to world young men around the to world come over here by dinghy to pay them sums to come here just them huge sums to come here just one way, of course, martin says . this, but it won't . dare i say this, but it won't just be intoxicated. women on nights on tiktok. just be intoxicated. women on nicould on tiktok. just be intoxicated. women on nicould also on tiktok. just be intoxicated. women on nicould also be on tiktok. just be intoxicated. women on nicould also be youngn tiktok. just be intoxicated. women on nicould also be young girlstok. just be intoxicated. women on nicould also be young girls in. it could also be young girls in school as they're just school uniforms as they're just walking parks walking in our parks out shopping their mums and shopping with their mums and dads. film at any time dads. they can film at any time and anywhere they like, nigel says. sells. it's a known says. sex sells. it's a known fact these men are to get fact these men are here to get a nice hotel room and our money

for nothing. yes as ian for doing nothing. yes as ian says, fact that people feel says, the fact that people feel that the people trafficking the channel are obviously channel migrants are obviously targeting advertising targeting that advertising at potential rapists. don't potential rapists. well, i don't know that's fair to say. know if that's fair to say. should itself be sufficient should in itself be sufficient grounds to grounds for the government to accuse entry. and david, accuse them entry. and david, one why doesn't someone accuse them entry. and david, one out why doesn't someone accuse them entry. and david, one out that/ doesn't someone accuse them entry. and david, one out that the esn't someone accuse them entry. and david, one out that the vast someone accuse them entry. and david, one out that the vast majority; point out that the vast majority of young men supposedly fleeing a zone , where women a war zone, where are the women left behind take the left behind to take the consequences? i believe it consequences? yes, i believe it is. 87% men, although is. 87% young men, although judging pictures , it judging from the pictures, it looks even more than looks like even more than that. really the boats really from the from the boats i've seen anyway crossing. but there go, 87% are men . then there you go, 87% are men. then we'll move on to something else because the scots have been informed that £24 million worth of their taxes will be going to pay of their taxes will be going to pay for some kind of climate reparation for minister humza yousaf believes that scotland should, as one of the first industrialised countries, may owe some compensation for climate change to developing countries. now this is an interesting one because he doesn't use the word climate reparation regime, but he says

everything else that it implies that what he thinks is that developing countries haven't done anything to create this problem of climate change. and therefore countries like scotland that have benefited from industrialisation should pay from industrialisation should pay their way. now. nicola sturgeon i can't remember how long ago it was , maybe a year or long ago it was, maybe a year or two years ago, said £5 million. we're going to send for climate reparations. and she did use the word humza yousaf. now £24 million. what do you say to that? >> i think it's absolutely abysmal. this effectively abysmal. this is effectively taking hard earned taxpayer money and giving it to authoritarian regimes across the world. god knows what world. for god knows what reason. i think it's really important to remember here that the united kingdom is only responsible about 5% of responsible for about 5% of global emissions, even during the industrial revolution . so the industrial revolution. so the industrial revolution. so the stats just don't add up. the uk is not the biggest culprit here when comes to our co2 here when it comes to our co2 emissions. what we need to be remembering here is that there is a double standard and yes, we were able to industrialise and we're effectively telling third world can't world countries that they can't do to global emissions

do that due to global emissions due their environmental due to their environmental impact. i say we just scrap all of this net zero stuff and actually allow those countries to industrialise in way to industrialise in the way that we did. >> i'm sure e i'm sure a em— e i'm sure a lot of >> well, i'm sure a lot of people would with you. people would agree with you. reem the you said. reem i like the way you said. i say say this is my manifesto. say i say this is my manifesto. would for reem? let us would you vote for reem? let us know. aaron is probably know. aaron this is probably a tncky know. aaron this is probably a tricky one for you because why? but well , it's very easy to say, but well, it's very easy to say, oh, i'd to love give money to these poorer developing countries. they're suffering from higher sea levels or flooding or or bad things that are happening there. but then you look at the state of scotland currently forecast £1 billion black hole in their funds. where is this money coming from and is this the priority that the first minister of scotland , not the first of scotland, not the first minister of the world, should have? >>i have? >> i look , we'll talk about the >> i look, we'll talk about the substance in a minute. i feel like and you did, to be fair, you pulled your punches because he doesn't mention reparations and he mentions just a little bit, bit fake newsy

bit, a little bit fake newsy here we go. >> here we fake news. the >> here we go. fake news. the countries are not you, the spectator, countries spectator, the countries which are affected by the are the worst affected by the climate often those climate crisis are often those who done little or nothing who have done little or nothing to cause it true. >> true. absolutely true. >> yes, true. absolutely true. and we get to a debate and so then we get to a debate around really foreign aid. that's that's all this is that's what that's all this is implies compensate in reparations implies definition. >> intention of >> aaron implies intention of making a wrong one making amends for a wrong one has done by providing payment or other to those who other assistance to those who have been wronged. where does it says the definition of says this is the definition of reparations does he reparations, but where does he say reparations? he say amends or reparations? he says money those says we're giving money to those countries have little countries which have done little or to cause climate or nothing to cause climate change. that is , he implies change. so that is, he implies that they've been wrong, but it definitely is. >> countries, for instance . so >> countries, for instance. so for that logic, you for instance, by that logic, you wouldn't this to wouldn't give this money to india, china, these are high emitting now. emitting countries right now. yeah, , for instance, yeah, you would, for instance, give it to countries the give it to countries in the south pacific maybe some south pacific or maybe some countries sub—saharan africa. countries in sub—saharan africa. okay. think that's okay. i mean, i think that's relatively think relatively reasonable. i think you the average you do you think the average scot wants their taxpayer money to spent on sending money for to be spent on sending money for some kind of climate reparation,

not that word some kind of climate fund to countries that they have got nothing . they have got nothing. >> i'll give you anything to do. >> i'll give you anything to do. >> think think , frankly, the >> i think i think, frankly, the aid industry is con. most of aid industry is a con. most of it's a con. >> so this is a this is a disaster. >> no, i don't know about this one particular. most of it's a con. scotland can't do con. clearly scotland can't do much. do much. much. 24 million can't do much. and the way, scotland has and by the way, scotland has plenty of problems it needs to solve domestically. a solve domestically. but as a principle, say again principle, i'll say that again as as a as a principle, i as a as a as a principle, i think what he said there is absolutely correct. and you're making criticism here making a criticism here more broadly foreign policy, broadly of foreign aid policy, which i think which we spend billions, i think 12 billion in this 12 or £13 billion in this country, criticise that he's country, so criticise that he's not offering anything not he's not offering anything different than westminster doesn't and i know doesn't already do. and i know everybody snp, everybody loves to bash the snp, including me and this this including me and this guy. this guy straight after guy came straight after sturgeon. but you know the language using and what's language he's using and what's on is no different to what on offer is no different to what the at westminster the tories at westminster already but because, because already do. but because, because , because we love letting the tories the hook. have to tories off the hook. we have to present somehow present this as somehow different. it isn't. >> it isn't exactly the same as humza is just grandstanding,

though, isn't he? >> he announced this, i believe , with john kerry over in the us. the climate envoy , and it's us. the climate envoy, and it's all about humza and his legacy, isn't it? oh, i gave £24 million of scottish money to these. you know, these poor developing countries that need our help for x , y and z. but again, i repeat, x, y and z. but again, i repeat, one 1 billion black hole in the finances. it's not his money. >> it's absolutely not his money. it's hard earned taxpayer money. it's hard earned taxpayer money that's being used for this. i think what's quite funny is that we forget that a lot of this foreign aid money would again be going to authoritarian , corrupt governments. so really, whether not any of really, whether or not any of this would be used for this money would be used for climate reparations. >> so you think we shouldn't >> so do you think we shouldn't pay >> so do you think we shouldn't pay aid? pay any aid? >> it's a good question. i >> well, it's a good question. i definitely need to definitely think that we need to take a serious look at where our current money is going. and actually, saw actually, you know, we saw recently aid to recently we were giving aid to india. i mean, a country like india, which is incredibly successful over the past few years. and actually has been able industrialise, namely years. and actually has been airesultindustrialise, namely years. and actually has been airesult oqustrialise, namely years. and actually has been airesult of openings, namely

years. and actually has been airesult of opening upiamely years. and actually has been airesult of opening up theiry a result of opening up their markets and actually allowing for but actually, we for free trade. but actually, we need looking where our need to be looking at where our foreign money is going. is foreign aid money is going. is it actually going to countries that for good? that are using it for good? so you reduce the poverty you need to reduce the poverty levels to actually support you need to reduce the poverty levels in:o actually support you need to reduce the poverty levels in education?;upport you need to reduce the poverty levels in education? a)port you need to reduce the poverty levels in education? a lot�*t you need to reduce the poverty levels in education? a lot of the women in education? a lot of the time it is and a lot of the time it's a line. their own pockets. yeah. >> all all the argument is that it furthers our interests as well one way or another when well in one way or another when it diplomacy, to trade, it comes to diplomacy, to trade, sweeten deals, perhaps. sweeten some deals, perhaps. but aaron, you think foreign aid aaron, do you think foreign aid should scrapped ? should be scrapped? >> i think i mean, i've been i've been attacked by this by my comrades may i just say one comrades. may i just say one thing before you say that? >> i do approve of sort >> because i do approve of sort of investment style rule aid, perhaps, where there's idea perhaps, where there's an idea that invest some money and that you invest some money and you a return. yeah, you might get a return. yeah, i think that's a bit disappointing in or in the private sector or something like that, that's a bit different. >> there that loan >> so there was that loan recently turkey to build a recently to turkey to build a railway. might or railway. you might agree or disagree, but think that's a disagree, but i think that's a that's a bit different. yeah look, reason we pay so look, the reason why we pay so much aid is liberals love it because they can say, aren't we so we're nice

so wonderful? we're such nice people. pro—business people. and the pro—business conservatives love it because like it sweetens like you say, it sweetens business deals. and realistically, should realistically, i think we should be paying to things like be paying aid to things like contraception, drinking be paying aid to things like contra you there you >> well, there you go. there you go. just scrap foreign go. then just scrap all foreign aid. would you would you just >> or would you would you just keep it with those particular. >> i think you should have. i think any business really, think like any business really, you very focussed set you want a very focussed set of missions. so like say, well missions. so like i say, well he's advice from the prime. >> they took from me. >> they took advice from me. >> they took advice from me. >> contraception, clean drinking water yeah, water and i think, yeah, disaster think disaster management i think probably some contraception. >> yeah. but and what was the other ones. >> sexual health, sexual health, clean drinking water and

disaster management. >> women in education. i would also list, think also add to that list, i think that, know, fundamentally, also add to that list, i think that know, (now, fundamentally, also add to that list, i think that know, poorerundamentally, also add to that list, i think that know, poorer countries,1lly, also add to that list, i think that know, poorer countries, even you know, poorer countries, even if they have allowed women to be educated, don't just educated, they don't just have the resources that. and the resources to do that. and usually men get usually it's only men that get that. so i would also add that to the list. that. so i would also add that to twell,t. that. so i would also add that to twell, jackie says jacqueline that. so i would also add that to tvthe jackie says jacqueline that. so i would also add that to tvthe snpie says jacqueline that. so i would also add that to tvthe snp could; jacqueline that. so i would also add that to tvthe snp could not:queline that. so i would also add that to tvthe snp could not withine says the snp could not with instructions bath. instructions run a bath. squandering money is squandering taxpayers money is the grab the usual tactic to grab headlines. think that's headlines. i think that's exactly what it is. from humza yousaf. he's only been in the job couple of months and job for a couple of months and he to make some great he needs to make some great stands some kind stands so that he has some kind of because i don't think of legacy because i don't think he's going to very long. no he's going to last very long. no benefit to the scottish taxpayer. just makes them benefit to the scottish taxprgood, just makes them benefit to the scottish taxprgood, just says. as them benefit to the scottish taxprgood, just says. emily1 benefit to the scottish taxprgood, just says. emily we look good, john says. emily we in are sick to death, in scotland are sick to death, being nutjobs. i'm being governed by nutjobs. i'm not surprised. john and joan says, we one. i've been. says, we owe no one. i've been. well, there you go. strong stuff. but before we crack on with the let's get the with the show, let's get the weather that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news evening. >> i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from

the met office for gb news. >> it's a bank holiday for many and the weather is going to be mixed. there'll be some sun, there'll be some heavy showers. never particularly monday never a particularly warm monday does many. we've does look dry for many. we've got high pressure but got high pressure nearby, but for being , low pressure for the time being, low pressure is still dominating. it's been generating heavy showers generating some heavy showers through and will through the day and will continue so overnight . we continue to do so overnight. we have a met office yellow warning in parts of in place across parts of southeast scotland. slow moving thundery showers here could cause bit of disruption cause a bit of disruption elsewhere. the showers are moving more, but still moving a bit more, but still some heavy ones over north—west england through the night, staying across staying pretty wet across northern a cool night northern scotland. a cool night as single figures in rural as well. single figures in rural spots, 10 in most towns spots, 10 to 12 in most towns and cities . saturday we'll start and cities. saturday we'll start dry with some sunshine over the midlands east anglia, the south—east england and much south—east of england and much of southern scotland may well stay but northwest stay fine. but northwest scotland wet windy and scotland, wet and windy and elsewhere. this. the elsewhere. look at this. the heavy develop as we heavy showers just develop as we go through the day. so dodging the downpours on saturday afternoon , there will some afternoon, there will be some sunshine between showers and sunshine between the showers and temperatures getting up into the

high maybe low 20s across high teens, maybe low 20s across the southeast. generally cool the southeast. so generally cool for time of year. the southeast. so generally cool for time of year . a cool for the time of year. a cool start to sunday again. many will start to sunday again. many will start dry fine with some sunshine. but again, the shower clouds will develop through the day. perhaps not as many as on saturday. and parts of wales may well have a dry afternoon before more cloud and rain comes into the and the northwest later on. and again, most places on the again, for most places on the cool side, goodbye. >> that warm feeling inside from . boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> bless you. >> bless you. >> it looks like people are sick of the idea of reparations altogether. we're talking about slavery reparations earlier in the week that was dominating the headune the week that was dominating the headline and now it's climate reparations. 24 million. you know, this isn't a this isn't a new idea. there was a report a little while back that said we owed something like £8.1 trillion in climate reparations. i'm not sure how they came up with that sum, but david says definitely not. this is british taxpayers money country

taxpayers money for this country the this country is going the way this country is going will soon be world will soon be a third world country. well, yes, we might not have money but coming have any money left, but coming up, the mayor of london believes that ulez scheme been that his ulez scheme has been weaponized deniers and weaponized by covid deniers and conspiracy theorists.

news radio. >> welcome back to dewbs& co with me, emily carver. i've still got with me reem ibrahim. she's communication officer at the institute of economic affairs. and aaron bastani, the founder of novara media . we founder of novara media. we probably should say the left wing novara media, very left wing. although to be fair , wing. although to be fair, you're doing fantastically well, according to your stats on novara. yeah you've got a lot of people tuning in to your videos, but we're going to move on to something that could a something that could get a little bit spicy. the ulez zone, that's the ultra low emission zone sick zone that you've probably sick of about. but yes, it of hearing about. but yes, it will expanded greater will be expanded to greater london that could see london next week. that could see us well, only pay us all. well, only those who pay who drive ulez compliant who drive non ulez compliant cars. they'll be paying £12.50 a

day to go within that boundary. they need to meet certain standards in terms of emissions . now, the london mayor, this is the london mayor has the point. the london mayor has stood controversial stood by his controversial scheme he believes that ulez scheme and he believes that ulez has been weaponized hard by covid deniers and conspiracy conspiracy theorists . he's conspiracy theorists. he's doubung conspiracy theorists. he's doubling down. let's take a listen . listen. >> didn't expect this to be weaponized by others who you and ihave weaponized by others who you and i have exchanged with, who didn't believe covid was real, believed in conspiracy theorist. and so forth . and so forth. >> okay. so he thinks that some anti ulez protesters are conspiracy theorists and covid deniers. now, this isn't the first time he's said similar things. back in march, khan called his opposition the far right. so let's hear from him again. >> i find unacceptable, though, is some of those who've got legitimate objections , joining legitimate objections, joining hands with some of those outside who are part of a far right group . group. >> so i think that sadiq khan is

in a very defensive position when it comes to ulez aaron. and i think he's acting like all good dictators and demonising the opposition . mhm. what do you the opposition. mhm. what do you think ? think? >> well i think what was the line here. he said i didn't expect for there to be people linking my policies to clean up air with conspira theories. and then he says i did expect people to have genuine concerns. i've been listening genuine been listening to those genuine concerns. know , and then concerns. you know, and then he goes yeah , yeah. so he says goes on, yeah, yeah. so he says something similar here. so i didn't expect be didn't expect this to be weaponized by others, as you saw there who you and i have there with who you and i have exchanged with , who don't exchanged with, who don't believe covid was et believe covid was real. et cetera. cetera. he's cetera. et cetera. so he's basically saying there's two levels opposition here, levels of opposition here, legitimate who legitimate and those who conspire theories and covid deniers and whatnot. i've not seen the protesters . i don't seen the protesters. i don't know . but i seen the protesters. i don't know. but i think it's seen the protesters. i don't know . but i think it's probably know. but i think it's probably in politics to do that , because in politics to do that, because there will be people who oppose it, as we saw in the recent by—election in west london. and those people hear that as those people will hear that as you're me something, you're calling me something, which so i think it's

which i'm not. so i think it's probably politically unwise, but i your your explanation i think your your explanation for that probably right. he's for that is probably right. he's feeling he's got an feeling defensive. he's got an election next. may i think he'll win that. but it's going to be a real political battle. >> you want him to win? >> you want him to win? >> i think he'll be the least bad option. really? i think so. oh seriously? >> think it. >> i think that's it. >> i think that's it. >> i think look, i don't your viewers should know i don't like keir starmer. i think he's a bad person. think he would be a person. i think he would be a less bad minister than person. i think he would be a less isunak. minister than person. i think he would be a less isunak. ianowr than person. i think he would be a less isunak. ianow what? rishi sunak. you know what? i is? sadly, that's what british politics reduced to. politics has been reduced to. >> prime minister. >> i like prime minister. >> i like prime minister. >> no, no, no, no. keir starmer i'm might even agree i'm saying i might even agree with you on keir starmer. >> mean, argued that the >> i mean, he's argued that the tax burden is too high and that we to get rid of our nhs or we need to get rid of our nhs or at reform it. so i think at least reform it. so i think he might be on to something. there i mean, sadiq khan there look, i mean, sadiq khan is one the is really probably one of the most abysmal i've most abysmal politicians i've seen and i am seen in my lifetime and i am quite but i sadiq quite young, but i think sadiq khan pretty awful. my long khan is pretty awful. my long career, my long career, my long time studying politics. look i mean, scheme awful mean, the ulez scheme is awful and people have

and clearly the people have shown that are against it shown that they are against it in fantastic byelection in the fantastic byelection result in uxbridge south result in uxbridge and south ruislip. clearly people are upset a £12.50 daily upset by this. a £12.50 daily charge effectively be extra charge effectively be an extra tax. we've got to remember tax. now we've got to remember the are being the people that are being hurt most are most most by ulez are the most vulnerable, are the poorest in society. got people society. you've got people who are potentially who are disabled, who car bound, who disabled, who are car bound, who can't get to their hospital appointments having to can't get to their hospital appithatfents having to can't get to their hospital appithat extra having to can't get to their hospital appithat extra £12.50. having to can't get to their hospital appithat extra £12.50. those] to can't get to their hospital appithat extra £12.50. those are pay that extra £12.50. those are the that being hurt the people that are being hurt by not the middle by this scheme, not the middle or upper classes. and i think it's pretty rich coming from sadiq who supposedly sadiq khan, who was supposedly a labour supposed labour mayor who was supposed to be the party of the working class implementing that class implementing policies that are actively hurting those people. >> labour is not the party of the class. they the working class. they never have party of the have been the party of the liberals. i would say the liberals. i would say the liberals terms of sort of liberals in terms of sort of metropolitan liberal, i'd say although they've socialist, they've they've only they've got 50. they've only they've got 50. they've only they've of the public they've got 50% of the public vote the so perhaps vote at the moment. so perhaps i'm on that, but he does i'm wrong on that, but he does throw in covid denier far right. he's james o'brien, the presenter hadn't actually asked him about that . he just pointed

him about that. he just pointed out that the daily mail was against him and that , you know, against him and that, you know, against him and that, you know, a couple of the other papers were against him. he brought it up out of his own volition. he's obviously to try and obviously choosing to try and smear in way . yes, smear people in this way. yes, there might be a covid denier , there might be a covid denier, whatever that is, at one of those. >> there are some there. >> there are some there. >> there are some there. >> there will be one far right guy sadiq khan because guy who hates sadiq khan because he's at the or he's a muslim at the rally or whatever. but the vast majority of, you know, ordinary people who really like this who just really don't like this policy . policy. >> well, it's one of those that it's the policy, i think, if anything, i think it is. well, it's certainly for who it's certainly for people who don't labour. don't deserve the labour. i think and say, think it's and like you say, there be of those there will be some of those people, not that many people, but not that many i would disagree a bit with because i think the people that are by are are really impacted by this are actually be lower middle class people, tradespeople, people, actually be lower middle class people,who espeople, people, actually be lower middle class people,who esp> they're relying on their cars, cdl’s, vans. >> cars, vans. >> think i think the very >> i think i think the very lowest income earners london lowest income earners in london generally rely on public transport it's very transport because it's very good. it's good value for money.

i he's surprised because, i think he's surprised because, of had of course, we had ulez implemented it went implemented before it went pretty it didn't this pretty well. it didn't meet this kind of resistance, kind of political resistance, but known for a very but we've known for a very long time the politics of inner time that the politics of inner and london rather and outer london are rather different. boris different. so different. boris johnson won two mayoral elections on what's called the doughnut outer london. so it's both a surprise, but also not surprise. >> now, this just i want to get your reaction to this, because i've been thinking about this for a while. i'm not convinced that devolution is a good thing. i think that it's actually it was supposed to create unity by so that scotland, for example , so that scotland, for example, wouldn't want another referendum. instead it. well it pushed the snp in my view, to call for more and more and more separate separate ism separatism separation from the rest of the united kingdom emboldened the snp is what i'm trying to say. i think in london in constantly you have sadiq khan wanting more and more powers. he wants the power to introduce a rent controls , for example, which controls, for example, which would be a massive change. now i

don't think he's going to get it, but perhaps under a labour government might. reme government he might. reme i'm not devolution is not convinced that devolution is a necessarily a good thing and also that we need a london mayor why do we need a london mayor? >> tell me. well, i think that that should be up to londoners themselves if they want london mayor. >> i do think that when you've got a centralised city of 9 million people, there needs to be of democratic, be some kind of democratic, legitimate legitimacy there. the problem with this country, emily, are so emily, is that we are so fiscally centralised, actually, if fiscally if we were to fiscally decentralise , that would also decentralise, that would also sort help solve the housing sort of help solve the housing crisis local councils crisis because local councils will incentivised want will be incentivised to want more taxpayers in their in their sort of council so that sort of council area so that they can actually build more of those homes. >> think that would >> you would think that would just the even just make the contrast even greater between , say, the south greater between, say, the south east and the rest. >> what it would do is it would give those northern councils more actually encourage more power to actually encourage people in their local people to invest in their local areas aaron. >> why do we need a mayor >> why do we need a mayor >> i love mayors. why i love mayors. emily look, the left

wing line is that it's not good. it centralises power. we like councils, but the problem is look for people watching or listening to this. i was born in bournemouth. i was in bournemouth. i was in bournemouth the bournemouth the other day. the town centre in freefall, it's town centre is in freefall, it's collapsing and the great thing with rather than with the mayor is rather than say a councillor, have a say to a councillor, i have a problem with x, well they'll say, not my portfolio say, well, it's not my portfolio or ward or it's 24 or it's not my ward or it's 24 of us and there's a whip system and my colleagues disagree, so i can't do about it. can't do anything about it. we're you say, i we're the mayor. you can say, i know who you are. i can vote for you every four years. do this or my vote goes elsewhere. that's why mayors are brilliant. i think there should be >> i think there should be a limit, a limit on the amount of terms that they can serve. >> apparently, the london mayor there absolutely no limit there is absolutely no limit on how khan can how many terms sadiq khan can or can have and can serve. and it may that he's there forever. may be that he's there forever. oh, entire life. so oh, no, his entire life. so there there's thought. there you go. there's a thought. let what you think. do let me know what you think. do you we mayors? are you think we need mayors? are they a good thing? am i being a bit miserable? they serve a great purpose. but coming up, a leading think is calling leading think tank is calling for reform to end the

for a reform to end the generational wealth

welcome back to dewbs & co and welcome back to dewbs& co and cheers to your friday evening . cheers to your friday evening. thank you for staying with me. reem ibrahim from the institute of economic affairs and of course, aaron bastani from novara media . now, it's quite novara media. now, it's quite funny, actually , that you've funny, actually, that you've asked for it seems asked me for got in. it seems like, reem, you could be the prime minister. according to one of our writers in gavin says, i totally would vote for reem. no bother. and now someone has said, too, about aaron. paul says, you be the mayor you would be very good. i can't vote laboun be very good. i can't vote labour, but i could vote aaron. so there you go. you could run as an independent. >> the coalition of chaos, me and reem coalition , that would be. >> and then christian says emily carver the next prime carver should be the next prime minister there go. not minister so there you go. not just but the prime just a mayor, but the prime minister. says, actually, minister. and he says, actually, not joking. that's nice, not joking. so that's nice, isn't but we're going to isn't it? but we're going to move story of move on to our final story of the evening, because the

institute fiscal studies has institute for fiscal studies has claimed quite controversially, i'd boomers i'd say, that baby boomers wealth under taxed, so wealth is being under taxed, so they're being taxed too little while younger workers , as their while younger workers, as their income is squeezed . so they income is squeezed. so they think that we need to tax older people more on their wealth and workers, less on their income. so we'll find ourselves, of course, in the middle of a bit of a generational wealth divide . young people have less wealth on average . this is what the ifs on average. this is what the ifs is saying . so i want to know, is saying. so i want to know, aaron, should we raise taxes on older people ? older people? >> well, i think it's important to say we have incredibly high taxes on young people . so if you taxes on young people. so if you take out a student loan and i think if you're on 25,000 plus, all of a sudden you see basically your income tax rise by 9. and i have been shocked. i saw david willetts , a former saw david willetts, a former conservative mp, you know, he was called two brains, david willetts. i don't think he's got one brain. but, you know, each to their you know, he was to their own. you know, he was he was the whiz kid, apparently, that has given us our tuition

fees. everyone be as fees. now, everyone can be as smart settlement in this smart as you. settlement in this country, which have been a complete nightmare anyway. they, you just 9. imagine complete nightmare anyway. they, ycyou just 9. imagine complete nightmare anyway. they, ycyou went just 9. imagine complete nightmare anyway. they, ycyou went into st 9. imagine complete nightmare anyway. they, ycyou went into a 9. imagine complete nightmare anyway. they, ycyou went into a general|ine if you went into a general election as conservative election as a conservative saying, i'm only going to increase your income tax by 9. so we have very high tax on on younger graduates. and i understand say we understand some people say we have people going to have too many people going to university. need university. we do need graduates, teachers graduates, whether it's teachers or you might say, well, or nurses. you might say, well, okay, we're as long as they okay, we're not as long as they do, medical do, but we need medical professionals, doctors, etcetera, etcetera. you need some now , lower some graduates right now, lower middle middle class middle class, middle class working class kids go to working class kids who go to university, get a degree. >> isn't this an argument to just lower taxes across the board being taxed to their eyeballs? >> a lot of older people would say, you i've paid my say, you know, i've paid my taxes my life. say, you know, i've paid my tax

war and that is ever increasing with so—called conservative with this so—called conservative government. solution that with this so—called conservative gov ifs ment. solution that with this so—called conservative gov ifs have. solution that with this so—called conservative gov ifs have comesolution that with this so—called conservative gov ifs have come uprtion that with this so—called conservative gov ifs have come up with that with this so—called conservative gov ifs have come up with is at with this so—called conservative gov ifs have come up with is to the ifs have come up with is to tax the older people more, tax the boomers more . i think this the boomers more. i think this is ridiculous. they've already been amounts. yes been taxed huge amounts. yes there is a huge intergenerational divide. a lot of this is a result of the lack of this is a result of the lack of supply side reforms. and really that is the solution we need to fix the housing crisis . need to fix the housing crisis. young cannot afford their young people cannot afford their own . as the average house own homes. as the average house price in london is about ten times average salary and times the average salary and it's about times in the it's about 9 or 8 times in the rest of the united kingdom. so supply side reforms will solve the intergenerational divide. we also think about also need to think about reducing burden on reducing the tax burden on younger actually the younger people and actually the solution to then shift solution is not to then shift that on the older that tax burden on the older generation. the money to generation. the money has to come somewhere . instead, we come from somewhere. instead, we should be reducing public spending actually spending overall and actually looking money can looking at where that money can come it shouldn't be young come from. it shouldn't be young people shouldn't be older people. shouldn't people. the money just shouldn't be spent in the first place. well, there you go. >> a very small government in reims, reims world, aaron. reims, in reims world, aaron. now, a lot of older people get

rightly , in my view, a bit rightly, in my view, a bit miffed when it seems like younger people are saying , oh, younger people are saying, oh, you've had it so easy. we you know, it's so much harder now. we don't have any money, we can't get on the housing ladder, etcetera, etcetera. now, i don't know about you , but my parents know about you, but my parents and my grandparents certainly didn't go on holiday as much as i in my they didn't go i did in my 20s. they didn't go out for dinner very much at all. they the money went into the they all the money went into the essentials really for a long time . when we go out and about time. when we go out and about and all this. so is it fair really ? really? >> well, i think they had some things better. i think they have some things worse . i think if some things worse. i think if you look at interest rates over the last sort of 15 years until last year, they were incredibly low. of older people will low. lots of older people will have benefited an have benefited really from an extraordinary lowest extraordinary the lowest interest years. so interest rates for 300 years. so you don't me you know, please don't give me a hard luck story about how expensive mortgages were given what 15 what happened over the last 15 years. my dad was paying a mortgage over last years. mortgage over the last 15 years. often less than a often he'd be paying less than a three bedroom house in bournemouth. paying

bournemouth. then i'd be paying for a room in london. now for a one room in london. now you say, why live in you might say, well, why live in london? okay a two bed flat in bournemouth expensive london? okay a two bed flat in biyouamouth expensive london? okay a two bed flat in b(you amout renting. expensive london? okay a two bed flat in biyouamoutrenting. so expensive london? okay a two bed flat in biyouamoutrenting. so iaxpensive london? okay a two bed flat in biyouamoutrenting. so i agree.ive if you were renting. so i agree with what ryan was saying about supply. i think there are two big challenges government big challenges for government now. and big challenges for government now. housing. and big challenges for government now. housing. how and big challenges for government now. housing. how are and big challenges for government now. housing. how are you and big challenges for government now. housing. how are you going cheap housing. how are you going to do it? >> increase supply long term? >> increase supply long term? >> well, think that's a >> well well, i think that's a big of it, right. and so i big part of it, right. and so i think is kind of that's all think this is kind of that's all of isn't it? this is this is of it, isn't it? this is this is tangent really related. i think realistically, i think because we have ageing population and we have an ageing population and so a smaller state is so on, having a smaller state is going difficult. going to be very difficult. i don't that's quite don't think that's quite possible. park that think possible. but park that i think there room for agreement there is room for agreement between the right. between the left and the right. forget because forget the centre because they just don't want to do anything about these things, about big supply on energy supply side reforms on energy and housing. supply side reforms on energy ancalso, ing. supply side reforms on energy ancalso, i|g. supply side reforms on energy ancalso, i think do forget >> also, i think we do forget how much parents use how much money parents use grandparents, is grandparents, baby boomers is actually children and actually help their children and grandchildren they are grandchildren with. they are a huge source. they're not trying to hoard their wealth necessarily . and unless you've necessarily. and unless you've got particularly mean mom got a particularly mean mom and dad grandpa and people are no dad or grandpa and people are no that young people are struggling

to get on the housing ladder and they're helping in bigger numbers before. numbers than ever before. >> and just want >> absolutely. and i just want to on to something that to add on to something that aaron about aaron said earlier about interest mean, we have interest rates. i mean, we have seen of england reduce seen the bank of england reduce interest artificially. interest rates artificially. they've artificially interest rates artificially. theywhich artificially interest rates artificially. theywhich has artificially interest rates artificially. theywhich has also rtificially interest rates artificially. theywhich has also iificially interest rates artificially. theywhich has also i mean,' interest rates artificially. theywhich has also i mean, that low, which has also i mean, that and also the money printing and expanding supply has expanding the money supply has also inflation. so it also fuelled inflation. so it means that young people have to face a incredibly high cost of living also being unable living whilst also being unable to their homes to afford their own homes because the government are because again the government are activelywhat i what i will say supply. what i what i will say is a lot of the time older people, i will say this is are surprised when they see how much the cost of renting is . the cost of renting is. >> yeah, i think there is a shock factor there when you look at you get for a woman at what you can get for a woman wrote to me the other day saying that she's a single mum and she's to move back in with she's had to move back in with her mum and the cheapest thing she is £1,400 a month she can find is £1,400 a month and near where she's and anywhere near where she's from. and she doesn't even make that month. so you know, that per month. so you know, she's got to stay with her mum for god knows how. >> but again, the solution isn't

just that we face. just the problems that we face. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> it's awful. there's an awful current situation, more houses and immigration. and less immigration. >> that's my solution. >> that's my solution. >> about >> more houses. forget about immigration public immigration and reduce public spending more spending and build more homes. there spending and build more homes. thethere's our manifesto, our >> there's our manifesto, our coalition of chaos. aaron that's all we've got time for. oh, i'm sad. i could have spoken for much thank very much much longer. thank you very much to wonderful panel, reem to my wonderful panel, reem ibrahim institute of ibrahim from the institute of economic aaron economic affairs, and aaron bastani novara media. i'm bastani from novara media. i'm emily carver. thank you for tuning soon. lee tuning in. see you soon. lee anderson is up next. >> the temperature's rising in boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> evening. i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. it's a bank holiday for many and the weather is going to be mixed. there'll be some sun, there'll be some heavy showers. never particularly warm. monday does for many. we've does look dry for many. we've got pressure nearby, but got high pressure nearby, but for time being, low pressure for the time being, low pressure is dominating. it's been is still dominating. it's been generating some heavy showers

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