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it anything out there and what it means for president putin. plus we discuss india having the huge achievement of landing on the moon's south pole, an area thought to be important for minerals and fresh water. and many nations are eyeing it as a site for future mining. have india taken a lead on space exploration .7 in all of that and exploration? in all of that and more coming up. but first, an update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez . as . neil, thank tatiana sanchez. as. neil, thank you very much and good evening . you very much and good evening. >> this is the latest from the newsrooms and breaking news to start with tory mp nadine dorries has resigned her commons seat, accusing the prime minister rishi sunak of demeaning his office by opening the gates to whip up public the gates to whip up a public frenzy against her will in her resignation letter, dorries accused mr sunak of abandoning the fundamental principles of conservative pm. he also said that history will not judge you
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kindly. more on that breaking story in the next hour . most of story in the next hour. most of spain's coaching staff has resigned following conduct of luis rubiales at last weekend's women's world cup final . women's world cup final. rubiales is currently suspended by the fifa from all football related activities as he's accused of grabbing star player jenny hermoso's head and kissing her on the lips following spain's victory at the world cup . he said it was a spontaneous and consensual little peck and said false feminists were trying to kill him. a statement from the coaches has said he offered a story that doesn't reflect in any way the feelings of jenny, who stated she felt the victim of aggression . the rmt union of aggression. the rmt union says a roadmap to a negotiated settlement could bring an end to an ongoing dispute overjobs , an ongoing dispute overjobs, pay an ongoing dispute overjobs, pay and conditions. today's train strikes continuing for a second year, comes as many people head off on summer holidays or travel to events such as the notting hill carnival. assistant general secretary of the rmt union eddie dempsey, says the government's
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modernisation plans are not in the interests of passengers. what we're seeing now is the centrepiece of the government's modernisation plans , which we've modernisation plans, which we've been warning about for a long time, is the closure of every ticket office in the country and the de—staffing of the railway dehumanisation of railway dehumanisation of the railway and plans around this are and their plans around this are not to improve things for the passengers are not because we've all suddenly become networked and modern don't need to and modern and don't need to interact with other humans. >> this is purely about ensuring profits private profits for the private companies that have a stake companies that have got a stake in railways. now continue to in our railways. now continue to flow. and we think this is just one part of what we regard as the managed of britain the managed decline of britain for people were killed in for young people were killed in a road crash in clonmel, ireland last night as they were on their way to celebrate their exam results. >> they've been named as zoe coffey. nicole murphy and grace mcsweeney, all aged 18 and luke mcsweeney, all aged 18 and luke mcsweeney , aged 24. local mcsweeney, aged 24. local sporting events. the clonmel pride parade and other activities have all been cancelled as the community mourns . the deputy head of the
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mourns. the deputy head of the british museum stepping aside while a police investigation into stolen artefacts is underway. the museum's head, hartwig fischer , resigned hartwig fischer, resigned yesterday and an unnamed member of staff has been sacked. it's understood that the items, which include gold jewellery and semi—precious stones were taken over a significant period of time. former chancellor george osborne, who's now the museum's chairman , says some of the items chairman, says some of the items have already been recovered. he's promised an independent review to look into how the museum missed the warning signs . the seaside town of dawlish in devon has been named as the best place in the uk for a summer holiday. gb news south west reporter jeff moody is there to tell us why . tell us why. >> yes, it's august bank holiday weekend and according to tripadvisor , 80% of us are tripadvisor, 80% of us are heading out on a bit of a staycation and according to visit britain, 4 million people are headed down to the west country. and where are they
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headed to? well, dawlish, down here on the south coast of devon is proving to be the most popular place britain for popular place in britain for this bank holiday weekend . and this bank holiday weekend. and they certainly need the trade. it's been a lousy summer in terms of weather, and that has really affected the tourist trade people have been trade where people have been spending a lot less while they go out. they've not been eating in restaurants. they've not been going on day trips as much as normal. and the outlook for september and october certainly doesn't look particularly healthy. the weather looks like it's deteriorating . the met it's deteriorating. the met office is saying there's no sign of a heatwave coming or an indian summer. so really this weekend is the weekend when all of the businesses down here in places like dawlish need to make the most of the weather, need to make the most of the tourists, because it's not looking great moving forwards right. >> and finally, monster hunters have spent the day searching scotland's most famous lake for the elusive loch ness monster. and these pictures are coming to
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us from loch ness, where us live from loch ness, where it's looking like a grey and cloudy day . researchers are cloudy day. researchers are gathering there to carry out what's believed to be the biggest surface survey in biggest surface water survey in more years. they're more than 50 years. they're using that's never using equipment that's never been on the loch ness been tried on the loch ness before, such as drones with thermal as they try to thermal imaging as they try to spot any strange anomalies . this spot any strange anomalies. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to . neil back to. neil >> i'm seriously thinking the west might be going down like a gunslinger, grown old and careless, or a prizefighter past his prime and living on past glories as it happens to the best. maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. with the arrival of a new sheriff in town or a contender with the core strength to soak up the punishment until yesterday's man uses his old yesterday's man uses up his old moves , exhausting himself in the
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moves, exhausting himself in the process . george foreman was the process. george foreman was the undisputed world heavyweight boxing champion until he faced muhammad ali in the rumble in the jungle in a stadium in what is now the democratic republic of congo. in the october of 1974. ali leant on the ropes, absorbing foreman ineffectual punches until the champ was spent and ripe for the fall that came in the eighth, and ali left hook brought foreman's head up into position for a straight right to the face. none of the commentators saw it coming. talking all the time about the imminent threat of a one punch knockout from the champ as foreman pirouetted loosely to the canvas. ali hovered above right hand cocked but elegantly withheld the punch not thrown because the former champ was done anyway . there might be an done anyway. there might be an omen in remembering a hitherto undefeated undisputed heavyweight falling to the canvas under an african sky. australian journalist john pilger has written recently
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about how propaganda has propped up america for furnishing a reputation as the good guy. while all the while, the truth was that that erstwhile paragon of virtue has been a common or garden bully. so much of what has happened over the decades always in the name of the west, has been spun and manipulated by propaganda . in has been spun and manipulated by propaganda. in a has been spun and manipulated by propaganda . in a piece entitled propaganda. in a piece entitled silencing the lambs, pilger pointed out that nine of the top ten media companies is based in the usa along with the social media heavyweights , while the media heavyweights, while the us, the west and nato have gone about their business. those media companies have held their coats . pilger records how, over coats. pilger records how, over the course of his lifetime the us has quote overthrown or attempted to overthrow more than 50 governments around the world, most them democracies, into most of them democracies, into feared in democratic elections in 30 countries dropped bombs on the people of 30 countries, most of them poor and defenceless. it has attempted to murder the leaders of 50 countries. it has fought to suppress liberation movements in 20 countries, end quote . pilger's testimony reads
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quote. pilger's testimony reads less like the career of a hero fighter and more like the rap sheet of a gangster. i have loved the thought of america all my life, watched the movies, listened to the music. i still love the idea of america, of a land of free people pursuing happiness. america is full of good people. just as britain is full of good people, just as the world is populated in the main by good people who just want peace, peace with their neighbours so they can get about the decent honourable business of make no of raising families. make no mistake, life in the west has been a wonder for hundreds of millions of people . a world in millions of people. a world in which things work of people most entitled equality before the entitled to equality before the law, a world mostly of tolerance and plenty. no wonder other millions want to come . the millions want to come. the people of the west are not the problem. people like you and people like me as us. musician oliver anthony sings in his protest song that speaks for the world. the problem has been generations of increasingly corrupt leaders and their corporate masters bent on profit and dominance for themselves and
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their own. but the world is going through a time of change. we feel it during a time of change. anything might happen, including good things , as in including good things, as in seeking to have it all for themselves and to deny the plenty to the many, the corrupt few have inadvertently unleashed something they can't control, which is the determination of millions to defend the lives they have had in pushing for change that suits themselves. the few have exposed their true natures and we see them he that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind , as it says in inherit the wind, as it says in the good book. i wonder more and more if the old champ still has it in the legs. i watch the west watch our latest clumsy moves and wonder if we've grown punchy and wonder if we've grown punchy and vulnerable. the west still has it in the lips, if not in the hips, still up for forever fights like the one in ukraine. that tussle was meant to bring russia to her knees. instead, it exposes corruption and hypocrisy. we've seen, too, an alliance forged between russia and china that has in turn
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emboldened so many others . this emboldened so many others. this week, a host of nations gathered in johannesburg in south africa for the latest brics summit . the for the latest brics summit. the brics countries have been brazil, russia, india, china and south africa. now, six more argentina , egypt, ethiopia, iran argentina, egypt, ethiopia, iran , saudi arabia and the united arab emirates are invited to join in january. china sees premier xi jinping said the expansion of brics would further strengthen the force for world peace and development . but fancy peace and development. but fancy that g of china owning the source of peace for the world via vladimir putin addressed the conference via video link and said the neoliberal ism of the west was a danger to traditional values in developing countries. who would have seen that coming the day when the west was lectured by vladimir putin about the importance of traditional values, the west being accused of posing the greatest threat to those values . no one predicts those values. no one predicts brics will supersede the west just yet, not today and not
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tomorrow. but more and more of the world's enormous producers of energy are seated or hovering around the brics table. what happens next? those countries with 40% of the world's population often trading among themselves not in the us dollar, but in their own currencies. or one alternative currency backed by their own bank. one alternative currency backed by their own bank . south african by their own bank. south african president cyril ramaphosa told the delegates brics already accounted for a quarter of the global economy, a fifth of global economy, a fifth of global trade . he said africa was global trade. he said africa was a source of the minerals of the world's technological future. rich in lithium, europe , rich in lithium, europe, vanadium, cobalt, platinum, palladium, nickel, copper, rhodium, its not just an economic and military terms that the west nato looks increasingly exhausted across which is spreading the shadow of an unwritten tomorrow . those craven unwritten tomorrow. those craven coat holders of the media, the newspapers, the rest of the mainstream dinosaurs, even the erstwhile totalitarian control
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wielded by the new social media thans wielded by the new social media titans looks outmanoeuvred play at their own game. us journalist tucker carlson hosted donald trump in front of an online audience numbering in the tens of millions at least, if not the hundreds of millions . as hundreds of millions. as podcaster joe hundreds of millions. as podcasterjoe rogan routinely commands an audience the relic media can only dream of . all media can only dream of. all over the online world, fresh contenders are on the move from here in the uk. russell brand speaks to millions, the bbc and the rest are reeling from blows they never saw coming. the world is on the cusp of change and what happens to the west , to the what happens to the west, to the world if the collective called brics emerges in time as an alternative g7 or g20 kwasi what happens if the west continues to demonise oil and gas while the brics nations wallow in the wealth of the huge percentage they control? the unique selling point of the west used to be the observance of the rule of law due process. the rest of the world no longer sees the west
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that way. jailing political opponents like banana republics is in the playbook of the west . is in the playbook of the west. the silencing of journalists who challenge authority and authoritarian ism julian assange among them is in the playbook of the west . capitalism, an the west. capitalism, an imperfect system, but arguably the least worst that has lifted more people out of poverty and towards prosperity than any other is warped by a handful of western oligarchs so that they and only they make money. unimaginable amounts of money. those oligarchs seek to force neo—colonialism on the wider world in african countries. among others, while pushing for neo feudalism at home, you'll own nothing and be happy as a consequence. money, wealth that used to flow towards banks in london, paris in the us might stay where it's made in asia, in india, in africa . in the middle india, in africa. in the middle east. the rise of brics is the rise of proof that the rest of the world increasingly finds it has better things to do with its wealth and therefore its
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influence . voices. our leaders influence. voices. our leaders don't want to hear predict the emergence of a multi—polar world where the world of the where the world of the west matters less. addressing the conference in joburg, brazilian president luis inacio lula da silva said the dynamism of the world's economy was in the global south and that brics was its driving force. he said africa predicted to be the world's most populous continent by 2100, was building a free trade zone of 54 countries. empires rise and fall. champions come and go, overtaken by time and hubris. i've said it before, and hubris. i've said it before, and i'll say it again that it's not what people say that matters, but what they do talk can be cheap and the right right stink of corruption is everywhere . but right now, some everywhere. but right now, some of the lines are coming not of the best lines are coming not from the west, but from elsewhere. lula of brazil told representatives his fellow representatives of his fellow brics nations that in just a few years we have left behind a scenario of benign multipolarity towards one that resumes the
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obsolete mentality of the cold war and geopolitical competition. he said an increasing number of countries, among them the brics countries, are engaged in making direct contact with moscow and kyiv in pursuit of peace for ukraine. he said brics nations can't remain indifferent to the deaths and destruction that increase every day and that many other conflicts and crises do not receive due attention. even though they cause vast suffering to their populations . us, to their populations. us, haitians, yemenis , syrians, haitians, yemenis, syrians, libyans, sudanese and palestine nians all deserve to live in peace. nians all deserve to live in peace . he said it's unacceptable peace. he said it's unacceptable that global military spending in a single year exceeds $2 trillion, while fao tells us that 735 million people go hungry every day in the world. he said the search for peace is a collective duty and an imperative for fair and sustainable development . here's sustainable development. here's the thing who knows what comes next for the west, where we have lived, where there has been so much decent aspiration by so many decent people. let's hope
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there is a way forward for the west. but aspiration towards prosperity is the right of all. surely, at the very least , we surely, at the very least, we all deserve to live in peace . all deserve to live in peace. the title of champion of the world is up for grabs. my world is up for grabs. my guest this evening is molly kingsley, who's a familiar face on this channel and on this show. molly what do you think is the influence of the west on the wane ? wane? >> well, i think you've got you look at the influence and you also can look at the moral authority of the west. so in terms maybe it's helpful to look at it in terms of democracy and also demography . so if you look also demography. so if you look at it in terms of the population of the west, as a general rule , of the west, as a general rule, we have ageing populations , has we have ageing populations, has very high dependency rates . i very high dependency rates. i think you use the word exhausted . i think that's a good word. i think if you just look at the
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uk, we're out of ideas, we're out of innovation . i know we'll out of innovation. i know we'll be talking a bit about india as moon landing later and you know what to the kind of what a contrast to the kind of tired . education of and you tired. education of and you know, systems of much of. >> what about that moral authority, though, that sense that we've been trained to think that we've been trained to think that the west are the are the goodies the men in white hats. >> yeah. and exactly and i think particularly after the last few years, many of us, even in the west , would see that years, many of us, even in the west, would see that as the illusion it is. and no doubt always has been. and actually , always has been. and actually, you mentioned very interesting article that i believe peter pilger wrote about about this. and actually within that, there's really interesting quotes, i think, from harold pinter , who's a playwright. let pinter, who's a playwright. let me just read this out, because in accepting the nobel prize for literature, he said the crimes of the united states have been systematic, constant, vicious , systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless. but very few people have actually talked about them.
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you have to hand it to america. it has exercised a cynical manipulation worldwide manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading a force while masquerading as a force for universal good. and i just thought that was such an interesting quote. really interesting quote. and it really speaks think , the loss of speaks to, i think, the loss of influence of the countries that held themselves out as these shining moral light. >> thank you for that, molly . >> thank you for that, molly. i've got to get to a break. up next, though, after the break, is a new block emerging to rival the g7 and the west? the brics summit has been going on in south and we'll have two south africa. and we'll have two guests can their guests who can give their verdict about the expansion. don't
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hugh grant's mugshot. >> now you're listening to gb news radio . news radio. >> hello there. welcome back to neil oliver live. i don't think i'm alone in detecting complacency in the west regarding influence in the wider world. we indulge ourselves in thinking that because the west has called the shots for decades, that it will continue to do so . the truth is, much of
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to do so. the truth is, much of the rest of the world has other plans in the form of an alliance going by the acronym of brics, brazil , russia, going by the acronym of brics, brazil, russia, india, china and south africa with everything to play south africa with everything to play for my guest this evening is politician musi mehmani m.o.c are you there ? are you there? >> good. good evening. and thank you so much for having me. neal >> no mercy. this is a story that i think has not received the attention that it deserves here in the west . the attention that it deserves here in the west. is the attention that it deserves here in the west . is the west here in the west. is the west paying here in the west. is the west paying enough attention and how important is this, this confederacy, this this union of nafions. nations. >> that's significant. and i think, as you have reflected correctly, that it represents 40% of global trade . as you 40% of global trade. as you know, africa itself is heading towards a population dividend where in 2024, 1.2 billion people will live in the continent . but people will live in the continent. but as you can
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appreciate that africa and the many respective countries that you speak about, brasilia , you speak about, brasilia, brazil, russia, china are now starting to think hard about how to create a multipolar universe and therefore, naturally , i and therefore, naturally, i think this is a significant step in terms of what the brics summit has concluded. the inclusion of further countries has become argentina , the uae has become argentina, the uae and many others represents a step and applications have also increase it. so it tells you that the world is rethinking or at least the global the geopolitics are re shifting and are suddenly people are starting to think about maybe it's about time that countries take their destiny into their own hands. it doesn't dismiss the point that the west still has a significant role . i know speaking as a south role. i know speaking as a south african, there's still much of a significant role, but i think it's a recognition of the fact that there's a significant opportunity to reset. you
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opportunity to reset. if you like, global order. >> what are the priorities of the brics nations? because it is quite an eclectic , you know, quite an eclectic, you know, culturally and historically diverse group of nations . what diverse group of nations. what will they come together to seek to achieve ? to achieve? >> yeah , and i think i want to >> yeah, and i think i want to answer that question twofold. >> the first and most crucial one is obviously intra trade amongst those countries. secondly there's a strong conversation about de—dollarization. so not only placing trade amongst those respective countries on the bafis respective countries on the basis of the dollar that they could use currencies that are to common those countries, that's to going be crucial. thirdly, i think and this is the other point i'd like to make, you know, many of us can recall all the covid period and how that covid period had profound implications in the distribution
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of vaccines. as an example . so of vaccines. as an example. so one of the key difficulties was that i know as a south african, how difficult it was to watch when the south african scientific community discovered a variant of omicron and suddenly the global west, as it were , countries like the uk, were, countries like the uk, etcetera , started shutting etcetera, started shutting borders to south african tourists, whereas the case numbers were low. i must say that spoke of a west that is patronising that doesn't necessarily treat fellow member countries with equal respect, and that's started to develop also over a history of time, an attitude that says, well , these attitude that says, well, these countries must cooperate on developing their own pharmacology . they must begin to pharmacology. they must begin to develop their way in which global security is now dealt with, and also how to strengthen the ability to engage with bodies like the united nations or the un security council. so i think you are starting to find a bloc that's starting to go
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actually, our destiny can't be in anyone else's hands. we've got to take it into our own hands. we've got to chart our way forward and begin to negotiate strongly, collectively i >> -- >> thank 5mm >> thank you. i have a guest in the studio as well who i want to involve in this conversation. molly is it just me or do you feel that there's a conceit feel that there's been a conceit in the uk, in the west, but not really registering what's happening in the rest of the world, all these disparate countries coming together with a shared sense of self? yeah, absolutely. >> absolutely. and i think the conversation about covid and the western reaction to covid as a catalyst for some of these attitudes is really interesting because, you know, certainly from watching it here it is. no surprise at all that the period of really extreme moral cowardice and lack of leadership that we saw from many western states, including the uk , the states, including the uk, the penod states, including the uk, the period of extreme vaccine nationalism , and really in some
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nationalism, and really in some cases, you know, it's tyranny too strong a word actually, to describe what happened. it absolutely shocked , i think, absolutely shocked, i think, many of us here. so it comes as no surprise. and in some ways, actually, i think it is potential a positive thing to hear other countries empowering themselves and actually saying, well, we've had enough of being preached to and lectured by a west that can't sort its own own house out. >> i, i think to the idea a word that i heard repeated by various speakers at the conference was multipolarity and i think my instinctive reaction to multipolarity is that it's a good thing to have many voices rather than one. >> certainly , certainly. and >> certainly, certainly. and i think certainly for the purposes of africa , the idea of of africa, the idea of multipolarity is vital because africa in certain instances has suffered from the very point that i think you'd made earlier
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the extraction of resource forces, the beneficiation of those resources. and for them to be sold back into africa in a much more increased value that many african states have found themselves with minerals yet in and very poor. this is not only and very poor. this is not only a function of blaming the west, of course, we've had some leadership difficulties. we've got other issues like that. but i think now there's i do think now there's a reckoning that says how do we beneficiate our own goods if we've got minerals that sit within us, how do do that and within us, how do we do that and create another superpower bloc so we're not being dictated so that we're not being dictated to by the pace and the issue of dictating has many implications. you know, has how we do you know, it has how we do ratings and capital flows of countries when we think about economic transitions, especially in issues such as the greening economy , that has a new economy, that has a new implication for what african states have to deal with, considering that their composition and their state of development is vastly different from many of the countries in the eu. so i think it requires
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maturity and requires mutual respect. it also requires that this is not a period to which you are creating an enemy of one, but creating a new polar to which we can then begin to treat each other with some sense of respect. >> now, south africa hosted the event. >> now, south africa hosted the event . the african continent is event. the african continent is of huge significance to the world in all manner of ways. what was the atmosphere at the at the conference? how was how was that received there ? was that received there? >> yeah. i think if you it was it was a really important gathering. >> it was important that it was on the african continent. i think there's a there's a genuine sense of there's a newfound respect amongst peers, but also a new interest that's coming forward. i also think that it also gave an opportunity to send a strong message of strength, given the number of heads of states that are coming through. we often have reports about g7, g20 . it was a really about g7, g20. it was a really great new initiative to see these countries gather together. it also gathers against the
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context of a significant conflict taking place in russia, ukraine. and i think the sense of that position being taken by countries to say that issue needs to be resolved peacefully is going to be important. it was not without the controversy of vladimir putin. and i think for many progressive south africans and africans certainly think that we should remain part of the rome statutes and ensure that those are upheld. so brics in themselves and member states are not universal on this issue. but if there's a if there's a condemnation of russia, of russia, there ought to be a condemnation of other conflicts that are taking place in the world without the hypocrisy. and so i think there's a sense of angst that says, well, are we going look at some of the going to look at some of the conflicts taken place conflicts that have taken place in and many other in afghanistan and many other places. i think places. so i think these developments are going to be crucial, maybe not the crucial, maybe not in the immediate, it matter in immediate, but it will matter in the next ten, 20 or a few decades come as what happens decades to come as what happens with this bloc . with this bloc. >> mr momani, thank you so much.
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always fascinating to hear valuable insights give valuable insights that give a different perspective on topics that have been talked to death in another direction in our part of the world. so thank you. mamusi mamani .yevgeny prigozhin mamusi mamani. yevgeny prigozhin spent almost a decade building the wagner military group. now his reported death has sparked a flurry of speculation about the group's future and whether the group's future and whether the group could become more dangerous . academic frank furedi dangerous. academic frank furedi joins us to discuss this shortly. but first a look at the weather . looks like shortly. but first a look at the weather. looks like things are heating up. >> bob boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there jonathan vautrey. who is your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. i hope you weren't caught out by some of the showers that we've had around today. certainly some heavy and thundery ones and there's a chance still of seeing a few thunder storms start this thunder storms to start off this evening. but for many central eastern they will be eastern areas, they will be easing we head
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easing their way off. as we head into night, though into the night, though persisting western england, persisting for western england, wales persisting for western england, wa parts of northern scotland for parts of northern scotland where to remain where it is going to remain relatively cloudy. slightly cool night cities dropping night towns and cities dropping down ten 12 c, but into down to ten 12 c, but into single figures rural single figures for some rural areas. start off sunday areas. as we start off sunday morning. generally the further east best the east you are the best of the sunshine. you'll have first thing, but the odd mist and fog patch they will patch early doors, but they will readily clear their way the readily clear their way off. the showers in west though will showers in the west though will start to trundle eastwards as we head into afternoon. head into the afternoon. generally across the generally persisting across the spine the spine of the country into the afternoon. of those afternoon. again, some of those could some more could be heavy, some more persistent and rain persistent cloud and rain pushing into northern ireland later on and that hold later on and that will hold temperatures back around temperatures back a touch around 15, 17 c. as we head into monday, though, this area of high pressure in the atlantic is going gradually push its way going to gradually push its way into the uk and that will help settle things touch. so settle things down a touch. so there is still going to be a little legacy of cloud, particularly for parts of central into day. so central england into the day. so it a bit of a grey one it might be a bit of a grey one here, either side of that, here, but either side of that, some sunny spells developing a few showers around at times, but
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on the water. >> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to neil oliver live. now speculate ocean surrounds the death of yevgeny prigozhin, chief of the wagner mercenary group that's been so instrumental in russia's efforts instrumental in russia's efforts in ukraine. and elsewhere. prigozhin died along with at least nine other people when the private plane in which they were travelling from moscow to saint petersburg was brought down by a bomb hidden on board. the wagner chief led a revolt . some have chief led a revolt. some have called it a protest over relations with the russian ministry defence in june. ministry of defence in june. joining now to wonder about joining me now to wonder about it all is academic and
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commentator frank furedi . hello, commentator frank furedi. hello, frank. thank you for joining commentator frank furedi. hello, frank. thank you forjoining me i >> pleasure . >> pleasure. >> pleasure. >> it's endlessly interesting. i'm sure . what would you say we i'm sure. what would you say we are to make of what has happened this week past, past? well i think that he had to go because as far as putin was concerned , as far as putin was concerned, what prigozhin did with his mutiny was to expose the fragility of the oligarchs position and people often think that putin and the people around him are very powerful . him are very powerful. >> they're totally in control . >> they're totally in control. but although they are very authoritarian and they got a lot of resources, they're much more fragile than we often suspect. they're not really in control of this huge russian federation that they are meant to be governing . and what happened in governing. and what happened in a sense was that what prigozhin did was to demonstrate that that a large section of the russian security forces are not very happy with the conduct of the
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war. they're not very happy with with the government and the quite prepared to support somebody who's prepared to defy what has been happening so far. and that exposure really meant that putin had to kind of clamp down sooner or later. otherwise, his position would become even more because what he's more fragile, because what he's really that really worried about is that other people are going to emulate what prigozhin did and other people are going to try it on as well. >> you see that. but the action taken was was all over by tea time, effectively . you know, time, effectively. you know, you say that the putin and people around him that it was fragile, but when that unfolded, it was it was brought to a close, very quickly which which looked like something controlled . something that was controlled. >> it was very it was brought to a close. but in the meantime, they shot down a helicopter . and they shot down a helicopter. and a lot of the security forces that were meant to be protecting the big capital city refused to fight the wagner group and it was very evident that the local population was either
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indifferent to what was happening or were actually quite supportive. so in many ways i think that prigozhin made his point. it demonstrated that he's got a lot of clout and i think in many respects it was him that brought it to a close rather than the fact that the conflict was brought to a standstill and so we don't know actually what would have happened if they had carried on, but there was still a long way to go. so a lot of potential for creating even more problems had they been have they decided to carry on with the mutiny? >> bear with me while while i bnng >> bear with me while while i bring into the conversation my guest in the studio, molly kingsley. did you kingsley. molly what did you make the timing ? know, make of the timing? you know, yes, could that there yes, we could all see that there might been there were ways might have been there were ways in putin have wanted in which putin might have wanted to be rid of prigozhin . but why to be rid of prigozhin. but why do it in that way at this time? >> honestly, i don't know. i think the thing that struck me actually, is why bring down so many people so there's the timing and the fact, you know,
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there were also civilians on that flight and actually, you know, as we were chatting about just off air, like you would have if you wanted to have thought, if you wanted to take 1 or 2, three people, take out 1 or 2, three people, you could do that without killing people. but, killing innocent people. but, you , this is you know, ultimately, this is one criminal kills another one war criminal kills another war probably . maybe. war criminal, probably. maybe. >> what about that, frank? you know what? what about that? and also so why would someone like prigozhin, who might have been feeling vulnerable , why was he feeling vulnerable, why was he flying over russian airspace at all? well he's a very arrogant and very defiant individual . and very defiant individual. >> a few days before his demise, he was producing a video telling the world that he's back in play, that his troops, the wagner troops, are going to free africa , for he was asking for africa, for he was asking for more recruits. he was asking russian oligarchs to invest in his different businesses. so he felt very, very confident. i don't know why, but he felt really, really confident that he
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will be able to carry on because of the fact that he had all these mercenaries behind him. and i think that's the reason why he felt quite at ease going back and forth between russia. he's been there before, after the coup . he went there about the coup. he went there about 4 or 5 weeks after the coup to meet some african leaders and that was very surprising because nobody imagined that, you know, having been exiled , his exile having been exiled, his exile was only 3 or 4 weeks long before before he returned to russia. so yeah, as we touched on earlier , though, the timing, on earlier, though, the timing, you know , putin was there to be you know, putin was there to be a star turn at brics . a star turn at brics. >> so why do it now and why do it in a way that brings down so many other people? you know, if , if someone like putin wanted prigozhin gone, you know, it could have been done much more cleanly without collateral harm. why why opt for this this tactic ? >> well, 7- >> well, i ? >> well, i think from 7 >> well, i think from putin's point of view, there was
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prigozhin on the plane that was the guy who was the main financier who in charge of the money side of the wagner group there were several key security players there who played a very important role in the in the in the tactical and the logistics side of the of the of the wagner operation. so in a sense, he got rid of four people that were, as far as he was concerned, quite dangerous. and the fact that a few other people died in the process is really not a big issue for someone like putin. he's not exactly an individual who's got who understands the quality of mercy. >> frank verdi. it's a it's at the very least, a story that will continue to fascinate me for the time being. i think there are many more questions than answers available. thank you for your insight , though, you for your insight, though, this evening. we're on another break, after which we look at how india has become the first country to successfully land a spacecraft at the moon's south pole. don't
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we welcome back to neil oliver live. this week , india became live. this week, india became just the fourth nation on earth to successfully land a spacecraft on the moon and will freely admit that took me by surprise . the vikram lander surprise. the vikram lander touched down on wednesday evening near the south pole of the moon , and the following day the moon, and the following day a rover vehicle took a walk on the lunar surface. joining me now to contemplate the significance of it all is astronomer and science writer dr. david whitehouse . good dr. david whitehouse. good evening, david. hello this is a big deal , a evening, david. hello this is a big deal, a much bigger deal than i would have thought. >> it's the real start of the return to the moon because the south pole of the moon is going to be where everybody is going to be where everybody is going to be where everybody is going to be focussed. they're going to be more craft landing. there there's going to be a human landing few years landing there in a few years time it will be the place time and it will be the place where in the decade or so time we have moon base. so for we have a moon base. so for india to become the first nation
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to actually land in that area and get the ground truth of what it's like , make the first it's like, make the first measurements. they must be delighted. >> what is the significance there? clearly, it's significant where they landed on the moon. what is the big deal with the south pole ? south pole? >> well, the south pole as the nonh >> well, the south pole as the north pole. the south pole north pole. but the south pole is is a region of dark is preferred is a region of dark shadows . if you were standing on shadows. if you were standing on the south pole , the earth would the south pole, the earth would be in one position and it would go through a series of phases and the sun would walk around the horizon and the shadows would move around like the hands of clock. but the sun would of a clock. but the sun would stay so the shadows stay very low, so the shadows would very long there would be very long and there would be very long and there would be very long and there would be huge swathes the would be huge swathes of the surface sun never surface where the sun never reaches us. and in that reaches us. and it's in that eternal darkness where it's thought could be ice, thought there could be ice, there be shards of ice. there could be shards of ice. and that's important because with ice you've got water, you've got oxygen to drink , you've got oxygen to drink, irrigate and also oxygen and hydrogen are rocket fuel. so it's a valuable resource for when you go and settle there. so
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it's a filling station. it is further out. it's a filling station. >> well, it's almost magical, isn't it? the way david's describing the eternal shadow in the darkness. it is magical. >> and i think it's especially so because obviously this was done on a relative shoestring. so you know, i think the budget for this landing was less than the movie interstellar, less than the movie gravity . and than the movie gravity. and actually, read a great article actually, i read a great article about said in about it earlier that said in the of the indian the early days of the indian space organisation , space research organisation, indian scientists would transport parts of the rockets around on bicycles. transport parts of the rockets around on bicycles . and for me, around on bicycles. and for me, i just think, wow, that is such an amazing creative vision and it's a kind of creativity and energy that we seem to have lost a bit in this country. >> india, india actually has been very clever in the sense that first space programme that its first space programme was very utilitarian was was very utilitarian and it was designed to understand the land, the weather and the minerals, the weather and the minerals, the drainage, the crop health. it was all for its own benefit andifs it was all for its own benefit and it's evolved into wanting to explore further and develop this
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side of its industry and its technology . technology. >> it's been asked before, but it's probably worth asking again . why has it taken so long to get back to the moon? given that that that people were there in person in the 60s and the last person in the 60s and the last person to walk on the moon is now 72, there are only four moon walkers alive at the moment. >> nasa tried. america tried to go back to the moon lots of times, but they never really gave it a full effort in the sense that they started a project and then they gave it a lot of money and then congress came and sliced a bit of the money. so the timetable was extended, and then they took more money away from it and it took longer. and eventually it died. and that's happened several times because there was no urgent see to beat the russians as it was in the 1960s. >> molly, do you think in these straitened times for so many nafions straitened times for so many nations and so many individuals, you talk about it being, you know, fairly low cost, should we
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be investing the kind of money to go and go to the moon and then further out? is it valid? >> and i'm it's very inspirational, isn't it inspirational, isn't it inspirational and aspirational? and actually, we can debate till the cows come home what we should spend money on. i think what we shouldn't be doing is wasting money. so spending money for cause. fantastic for a valid cause. fantastic wasting. example, 15 wasting. for example, 15 billion. think it was on, you billion. i think it was on, you know, covid, ppe and vaccines and tests that weren't used. not so cool . so it's about better so cool. so it's about better use and allocation of resource. >> we were we were talking earlier about brics and that coming together of many nations is why can't the nations come together to get to the moon, you know, to bring together all of that expertise and all that wealth? >> it would be nice. but there's big politics here. there's always china. china wants to become the major super space superpower of this century. things are changing, and as it gets wealthier, it spends more on space as a as a crewed chinese space station , you know,
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chinese space station, you know, in orbit at the moment. so they want to see themselves in a few decades. the number one america is worried about that. india sees itself more allied with china in developing its its programme with them. so things are changing. russia is a declining space power now. it's hard to see how they're going to get over these recent setbacks. so the geo politics is changing, but one thing, one amazing thing, i thought about china and america is that there was a china goes big on space in the way america did when it was going to the moon, but it does it now. and there was a survey of teenagers in china and in california , same question, same california, same question, same demographic . what do you want to demographic. what do you want to do as a career? the teenagers in america said youtube influence others. the chinese said astronaut , others. the chinese said astronaut, which sums up the future. i think that says something very significant , something very significant, doesn't it? yeah, it does. it sums up china's desire and ambition because you could argue
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that they don't have to go back for a mandate. they don't have to vote for this. the government has decided it's going to do it i >> -- >> how lam >> how would you say philosophically has china inculcated that in its youth and america has not? well why would the chinese kids say what you'd want them to say, which is something like, you know, the stars to stop them having access to tiktok, for one thing, hasn't it? >> it's a very interesting the way that china is using they've learnt from the space race. they're using the culture of space for india and for china. if you don't have a space programme with people , well, programme with people, well, you're not really part of the big league of nations. it's a it's on one hand it's a flag. you fly to say, we are we are big and important on the other hand, it does fertilise and improve the economy. but china has grasped the image from the soviet union , the americas of soviet union, the americas of progress , of being leaders of
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progress, of being leaders of heroes . the astronauts in china heroes. the astronauts in china are heroes in a way that astronauts are not in europe or in the united states. they have space cities, as you know. it's remarkable, really, having done what it's done. >> do they steal a jump on getting to the moon or is it still much more likely that it be china than anyone else? >> i think it's to going be america couple of years america in a couple of years time. are going land time. there are going to land next year. of four are next year. a crew of four are going to go around the moon and a or two after a year or two after that, there'll a crew of two there'll be a crew of two landing the moon. the first landing on the moon. the first black person and first woman black person and the first woman will the 13th person will become the 13th person on the moon. and you're going to the moon. and so you're going to see after that possibly a yearly landings moon staying for landings on the moon staying for longer. end of this longer. but by the end of this decade, will probably land decade, china will probably land on the of nasa, on the moon. the head of nasa, bill nelson, testified in front of congress recently and he held up a map of the south pole of the and he said, i'm the moon. and he said, i'm worried if china gets there first or establishes dominance, they'll us going. so they'll stop us from going. so there is conflict and worry
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about the future. >> there's always conflict. thank you, david. that was wonderful. i love i love hearing about that kind of aspiration. that's for this that's all we have time for this evening. you for watching. evening. thank you for watching. thank we'll thank you for listening. we'll be same time next be back at the same time next week. thank you, molly. thank you, is the you, david. up next is the amazing webb standing you, david. up next is the am father webb standing you, david. up next is the am father calvin vebb standing you, david. up next is the am father calvin robinson ding you, david. up next is the am father calvin robinson .ing you, david. up next is the am father calvin robinson . that for father calvin robinson. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey. who is your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. i hope you weren't caught out by some of the showers that we've had around today. certainly heavy today. certainly some heavy thundery there's a thundery ones and there's a chance seeing a few chance still of seeing a few thunderstorms start off this thunderstorms to start off this evening. central evening. but for many central eastern be eastern areas, they will be easing off as we head easing their way off as we head into night, though, into the night, though, persisting for western england, wales drizzly wales and some drizzly showers for northern for parts of northern scotland where is going to remain where it is going to remain relatively cloudy. slightly cool night dropping night towns and cities dropping down 12 c, but into down to ten 12 c, but into single figures for some rural areas. as we off sunday
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areas. as we start off sunday morning. generally the further east the best of the east you are the best of the sunshine. you'll have first thing, but the odd mist and fog patch, early but they all patch, early doors. but they all readily their way the readily clear their way off. the showers west, though, showers in the west, though, will trundle eastwards will start to trundle eastwards as into the afternoon, as we head into the afternoon, generally persisting across the as we head into the afternoon, generyof/ persisting across the as we head into the afternoon, generyof the rsisting across the as we head into the afternoon, genery of the country across the as we head into the afternoon, generyof the country into ;s the as we head into the afternoon, generyof the country into the e spine of the country into the afternoon . again, of those afternoon. again, some of those could heavy, some could be heavy, some more persistent and rain persistent cloud and rain pushing into northern ireland later on that will hold later on and that will hold temperatures a around temperatures back a touch around 15, 17 c as we temperatures back a touch around 15,17 c as we head into monday , though, this area of high pressure in the atlantic is going to gradually push its way into uk that will help into the uk and that will help settle down a touch . so settle things down a touch. so there still going to be there is still going to be a little legacy of cloud, particularly of particularly for parts of central the day. so central england into the day. so it might be a of a grey one it might be a bit of a grey one here, either of that, here, but either side of that, some spells developing some sunny spells developing a few showers around at times, but generally fewer compared to saturday and sunday. so generally fine for those of us lucky have bank holiday generally fine for those of us lucky off le bank holiday generally fine for those of us lucky off furtheryank holiday generally fine for those of us lucky off furtheryank ho spells monday off further sunny spells and showers as we head and scattered showers as we head throughout the week throughout the rest of the week as well by that warm feeling
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