britain it's time we celebrated britain and christianity for upending for thousands of years and ending slavery . ending slavery. >> stephen if the slave trader was operating last week or the week before, then there'd be a case and we all know where in the world that is happening. but for something that happened 300 years i'm sorry, give me break. >> but before all of that, it's the tatiana sanchez . the news with tatiana sanchez. >> emma, thank you very much. and good evening. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. tory mp nadine dorries has resigned her commons seat, accusing the prime minister of rishi sunak of demeaning his office by opening the gates to whip public frenzy against whip up a public frenzy against her. in her resignation letter , her. in her resignation letter, ms dorries accused mr sunak of abandoning the fundamental principles of conservatism, and she said that history will not judge you kindly. well, she declared in june that she would leave her mid—bedfordshire seat with immediate effect. but despite this, she went on to try to find out why she was refused a seat in the house of lords. it

was thought she'd get a peerage in boris johnson's resignation honours been coming in boris johnson's resignation honou increased been coming in boris johnson's resignation honou increased pressure coming in boris johnson's resignation honou increased pressure toning in boris johnson's resignation honouincreased pressure to step under increased pressure to step down june . most of spain's down since june. most of spain's coaching staff has resigned following the conduct of luis rubiales at last weekend's women's world cup final . women's world cup final. rubiales is currently suspended by fifa from all football related activities as he's accused of grabbing star player jenny hermoso's head and kissing her on the lips following spain's victory at the world cup . he said it was a spontaneous and consensual little peck and said false feminists were trying to kill him. a statement from the coaches said he offered a story that does not reflect in any way the feelings of jenny, who stated she felt the victim of aggression . the rmt union of aggression. the rmt union says a roadmap to a negotiated settlement could bring an end to the ongoing dispute over pay , the ongoing dispute over pay, jobs and conditions. today's train strikes continuing for a second year come as many people head off on summer holidays or travel to events such as the

notting hill carnival. assistant general, secretary of the rmt union, eddie dempsey , says the union, eddie dempsey, says the government's modernisation plans are not in the interest of passengers . passengers. >> what seeing now is the >> what we're seeing now is the centrepiece of government's centrepiece of the government's modernisation plans, which we've been warning for a long been warning about for a long time is the closure of every time now is the closure of every ticket office the country and ticket office in the country and the of the railway, the de—staffing of the railway, dehumanisation railway dehumanisation of the railway and their around this are and their plans around this are not to improve things for the passengers are not because we've all suddenly networked all suddenly become networked and modern and don't need to interact with other humans. this is purely about ensuring profits for private companies that for the private companies that have a stake in our have got a stake in our railways. now continue to flow and think this is just one and we think this is just one part of what we regard as the managed decline of britain and the deputy head of the british museum stepping aside while a police investigation into stolen artefacts is underway, the museum's head, hartwig fischer, resigned yesterday and an unnamed member of staff has been sacked. >> it's understood that the items which include gold jewellery and semi—precious stones were taken over a

significant period of time . significant period of time. former chancellor george osborne , who's now the museum's chairman, says some of the items have already been recovered and he's promised an independent review to look into how the museum missed warning signs. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on digital tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by simply saying play gb news now it's back to emma. now by simply saying play gb news now it's back to emma . now how now it's back to emma. now how a nursery school in hull has withdrawn a children's book called grandad's pride because it shows drawings of men in fetish gear behind one of the leather clad men. >> you can see a little boy on an adult's shoulders, waving a pride progress flag . a parent pride progress flag. a parent complained, of course, and the trustees agreed that this was not age appropriate. it looks like the school did the right thing by apologising and ordering an audit of its other books. ordering an audit of its other books . however, the parent who books. however, the parent who complained said that they

initially tried to defend the images and suggested that he was offensive for even raising the issue. the parent, who quite rightly was raising a safeguarding concern, felt that the pre—school staff were implying that he was some kind of homophobe or transphobe, according to the parent. the school said , you know, it's school said, you know, it's erotic. we know it's erotic, but that's just your opinion because we're grown ups. a child would not understand it to be erotic . not understand it to be erotic. i'm sorry. that is exactly the reason why this is a safeguard in concern. children should not be desensitised to the dangers like having adults behave sexually around them . it's sexually around them. it's precisely, precisely because they don't understand that they need to be protected by responsible adults . and that's responsible adults. and that's why children's literature used to be about fairy tales providing a warning to children using dark stories to impart wisdom to young minds , to keep wisdom to young minds, to keep them safe and to protect their

innocence. but not any more. the author and illustrator of the book said the illustrations were a faithful representation of pride celebrations. well that just sounds like another problem. doesn't it.7 we've all seen the footage of weird drag acts performed in front of young children like the one at southend recently , or the drag southend recently, or the drag act in norwich that threw tampons at kids. act in norwich that threw tampons at kids . whether you tampons at kids. whether you have kids or not, i challenge you go down to your local bookshop and take a look at what is in the children's section. when i was in the tate modern earlier this year, these were the books sale for children the books on sale for children in care in underwear for in self care in underwear for courage out loud 25 poems of power . we need to talk about power. we need to talk about vaginas . little feminist. the vaginas. little feminist. the boy with flowers in his hair. juuan boy with flowers in his hair. julian is a mermaid and the hips on the drag queen. go swish, swish , swish. last month , a swish, swish. last month, a christian father removed his nine year old daughter from primary school because her teachers wanted to show her a video of boy getting an video of a boy getting an erection and ejaculating

research has found primary school children being taught about sex and given masturbation homework . if that sounds about sex and given masturbation homework. if that sounds bad to you, some of the things being taught to our children are so inappropriate that i don't feel comfortable repeating them on national television . all that is national television. all that is considered appropriate by some teachers. meanwhile all classical literature isn't art, whether it's of mice and men or to kill a mockingbird, roald dahl or enid blyton. classic books are being rewritten or ditched from the curriculum. prominent children's author jacqueline wilson recently said that it can be justified to remove inappropriate or outdated language because children don't have a sense of history. but again, that is exactly why we are supposed to teach them. has someone spiked the drinking water.7 and it's easy to get desensitised to all of this stuff because we're deluged with stories like this every week. but this is seriously concerning the shifting boundaries of what is and is not acceptable is

putting kids at risk. the exposure of children to adult sexuality is being normalised and what's worse, the adults seem to be so confused that they're unable to justify why this is even wrong. this is not a disaster waiting to happen. it's already happening . it's already happening. this week, a leading judge said that the uk can no longer ignore calls to pay reparations for our role in the trans atlantic slave trade and estimate s that the uk owes 18 point £8,000,000,000,000 billion as the family of former prime minister william gladstone travelled to guyana to apologise and pay reparations for their ancestor's role in the transatlantic slave trade. but now they're being called to pay reparations to jamaica as well. but do we have a moral obugafion but do we have a moral obligation to pay for the sins

of our ancestors? now it's time for the jewel . joining me now is for the jewel. joining me now is broadcaster and historian rafe heydel—mankoo and former labour mp stephen pound. thank you so much, guys, forjoining us here tonight. so, ralph, let's start with you . you're very dead set with you. you're very dead set against paying reparations. yes, absolutely . absolutely. >> i mean, look, at the end of the day, none of these arguments are actually about slavery. they're about undermining the west britain, america and the west. if were really about west. if we were really about seeking distribution seeking equitable distribution of reparations, would see of reparations, we would see calls made not just to britain and to america, but we'd also have made nigeria, to have calls made to nigeria, to benin , to west africa, because benin, to west africa, because we remember the vast we have to remember the vast majority of slaves were actually kept in bondage in africa . there kept in bondage in africa. there were slaves held by other were more slaves held by other africans in africa than there were transported across the were ever transported across the atlantic. never hear about atlantic. we never hear about that. and of course , if this was that. and of course, if this was really about slavery, we would have have more time for have i would have more time for the argument calling the argument if those calling for reparations equally for reparations were equally

vocal about the fact that seven in every 1000 africans alive today a slave, which is more today is a slave, which is more people than in america . pakistan people than in america. pakistan is the global centre of slavery. now, our mayor of london, sadiq khan, wants to build a museum of slavery in london. but he went on an official visit to pakistan, not once did he mention the issue of slavery there. and i that speaks there. and i think that speaks volumes. all about an volumes. this is all about an ulterior which to ulterior motive, which is to undermine west. i don't undermine the west. i don't entirely agree with that. >> said, behind every great >> as i said, behind every great fortune crime. and fortune is a great crime. and i think that the that you can think that the idea that you can somehow the sins of the somehow visit the sins of the fathers on the great, great, great, great grandchildren is farcical. it's farcical. it's pure and it's ridiculous, risible . however, ridiculous, risible. however, there are people like richard drax, who has his family got huge amounts of money from slave run sugar plantations in jamaica, who now owns today a vast empire in jamaica called the drax estate. and i think if you are someone who is currently reaping the benefit of something which was actually built, you know, they used to say about bristol, every brick of this

city is cemented with a black man's blood. and you can see why, how it becomes an emotional issue. so i think you today issue. so i think if you today and i think laura trevelyan, her family and she's family were slavers and she's actually reparations actually paid reparations through . so if through the family trust. so if you're getting benefit today, i think moral think maybe there's a moral case, not a legal one, but a moral case. if it's something that's so far in the past, that's so far back in the past, then heaven's sake, who then for heaven's sake, who wasn't actually running slaves and operating the and who wasn't operating the slave trade? pretty much we all know the people who ran the slave trade africa . and slave trade in africa. and believe it wasn't believe you me, it wasn't innocent business people in bristol, i guess. >> let's be clear here right bristol, i guess. >.what let's be clear here right bristol, i guess. >.what let's thad ear here right bristol, i guess. >.what let's thad here ere right bristol, i guess. >.what let's thad here ereaight bristol, i guess. >.what let's thad here erea judge ? what we've had here is a judge saying trillion should saying that 18 trillion should be the british be paid by the british taxpayers. now, there were only 3000 slave owners back at the time. the slavery was abolished. so why should the average person be reparations for be asked to pay reparations for slavery they're ancestors slavery when they're ancestors lived well, is lived lives? well, this is a abject this as risible what's abject this is as risible what's happening in california, where one of the governors of california said, you know, california said, look, you know, we every single we should repay every single person, every single person of black california black origin in california a vast amount because vast amount of money because their might have their grandparents might have

worked southern states. worked in the southern states. >> a problem? >> isn't there a problem? insane? problem insane? isn't there a problem even those would take a even with those who would take a limited approach of saying not the you know, all the whole of the you know, all british should pay, british taxpayers should pay, but those who are the descendants of those 3000 families there families should pay? isn't there also a problem there in that people into families? people marry into families? they've moral they've got absolutely no moral responsibility for what their ancestors did? so much time has passed that to say that they are financially benefiting, you know, even if you could prove that they were as as steven says, financially benefiting in the present, would you still say that there was moral that there was no moral obugafion that there was no moral obligation to pay ? obligation to pay? >> as well. as steven >> oh, look, as well. as steven said, we discussing this said, if we were discussing this in in 1833, the in 1807 or in 1833, when the british empire the first british empire became the first empire abolish slavery and to empire to abolish slavery and to put end the slave trade, i put an end to the slave trade, i would absolutely favour of would absolutely be in favour of reparations i would have been reparations as i would have been in favour reparation for jews in favour of reparation for jews after because after the holocaust, because people today. people were alive today. but we're about 6 or 7 we're talking about 6 or 7 generations. so whilst slavery was of course horrific, the lives of the descendants of slaves in the caribbean and in britain and america today are far better than if their

ancestors had never left africa. now, that's a very controversial thing to but gdp of all thing to say, but the gdp of all the countries in the caribbean is ten times higher than in west africa, and the life expectancy is 10 to 15 times 10 to 15 years higher. in benin, it's 60. in trinidad, it's 74 years of age. no one has ever been able to actually demonstrate to me in what way the lives of the descendants of slaves alive today has been unfairly impinged by slavery . by slavery. >> i think that's that's profoundly controversial, rafe. it's true. well, hang on. hang on a sec. on a sec. >> on a sec. >> the british just very, very quickly. british, you're quickly. so the british, you're saying the british abolished slavery any other slavery before any other country? i'm hearing in my ear that norway, the british empire, the empire was the first the british empire was the first major some of the scandinavian countries it before. countries did it before. >> forget, huge >> but don't forget, huge amounts of reparations were paid, they were paid the paid, but they were paid to the slavers. when emancipation slavers. when the emancipation act came the slave act came through, the slave slavers received huge slavers themselves received huge reparations to the british government. point about reparations to the british gove|africa,. point about reparations to the british gove|africa, stephen, point about reparations to the british gove|africa, stephen, would|bout reparations to the british gove|africa, stephen, would yout west africa, stephen, would you not was that was not say that that was that was necessary expedite well, the necessary to expedite well, the abolition of slavery , but it

abolition of slavery, but it wouldn't have been possible. >> it wouldn't have been possible otherwise. >> it wouldn't have been posthez otherwise. >> it wouldn't have been posthe royalwise. >> it wouldn't have been posthe royal navy would have >> the royal navy would have taken longer. the royal navy abolished slavery, the royal navy, west africa navy, you know, the west africa patrol and patrol actually went down and they the ones who did they they were the ones who did it. they obeyed rule of it. and they obeyed the rule of parliament. i think parliament. so i don't think that's argument. parliament. so i don't think thatii argument. parliament. so i don't think thati think argument. parliament. so i don't think thati think that argument. parliament. so i don't think thati think that whatargument. parliament. so i don't think thati think that what actuallyt. but i think that what actually profoundly worries me about this is never in west is we'll never know in the west african rafe makes african and rafe makes a powerful, well—argued point. but how can we ever know what those countries would been countries would have been like? you know, the ashanti the kingdoms have been if liberia and wahaca liberia and ethiopia wahaca liberia wasn't library, it didn't come about 1870. but i mean, about till 1870. but i mean, we're about if all the we're talking about if all the young been plucked young men hadn't been plucked and plantations and taken to the plantations in brazil in the southern brazil or in the southern states, we can't tell those countries could have bloomed. >> we european europeans >> we don't european europeans never have >> we don't european europeans neve|empire have >> we don't european europeans neve|empire in have >> we don't european europeans neve|empire in africa have >> we don't european europeans neve|empire in africa untilve >> we don't european europeans neve|empire in africa until the their empire in africa until the 19th century, slaves were being purchased from the coast and after hundreds, if not thousands of years, there had been no great rapid advances in technology and developments there. idea that just in there. so the idea that just in there. so the idea that just in the last 200 there would the last 200 years there would have in africa, i have been a surge in africa, i think christianity is a crucial

point to remember. but in terms of paying off the 3000, in terms of paying off the 3000, in terms of paying off the 3000, in terms of paying the owners , of paying off the slave owners, that had to be done because parliament would never have been able to pass the legislation abolishing stephen have two questions. >> i have two questions to put to finally firstly , what to you. finally firstly, what you were about to mention, the role of christianity in the abolition of slavery . abolition of slavery. >> absolutely. what was the prime motivation behind it? very briefly, what was behind wilberforce ? come on. wilberforce? come on. >> very, very briefly. one of the arguments is that , as we've the arguments is that, as we've just seen, jamaica is now asking for further reparations . and so for further reparations. and so you can see how the claims and the demands that people can make would could escalate. what do you say to those who say, well, and yes, there is a bit tongue in cheek about this, those who would say, well, we should get some compensation from turkey because or from morocco or from anybody who was involved in somalia slave trade. >> don't forget slavery was was legal in mauritania until 15 years ago. it's a it's a very,

very phenomenon. look, very recent phenomenon. look, i always think of tutu's famous desmond famous comment. desmond tutu is famous comment. you when the white man you know, when the white man came to our continent, we had the and he had bible the land and he had the bible and fell our knees and and we fell to our knees and prayed. when we up prayed. and when we stood up again, we had the bible and he had the land. you know, it was a pretty brutal system. but i think christianity was the driving behind the driving force behind the emancipation slaves. emancipation of the slaves. >> 100% agreement. >> 100% agreement. >> on that point? can >> can we end on that point? can we agreement? we agree an agreement? >> ended jewel on >> we've ended the jewel on agreement and the agreement is that christianity played a role in the abolition of slave trade. >> what could possibly be >> so what could possibly be more that? so more common sense than that? so thank very much to both of thank you very much to both of you. plenty more to come this afternoon on my common sense crusade. next, we'll be discussing persecution discussing the persecution of christians

simpson who grant remember hugh grant's mugshot . grant's mugshot. >> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, emma webb on tv online, and on your wireless on the 16th of august. violent muslim mobs in pakistan

attacked christians, their homes and churches . and two after two and churches. and two after two christians were accused of blasphemy. reports suggest that 90 homes have since been attacked and 21 churches damaged . 10,000 christians are believed to have hidden in the fields to escape the onslaught. here to tell us more about what is happening on the ground is lizzie francis, the head of global religious freedom at adf .thank global religious freedom at adf . thank you so much forjoining us today. lizzie so could you begin by telling us what exactly is happening on the ground and how do things stand? because the reporting on this has actually been quite fuzzy , aside from the been quite fuzzy, aside from the good work the adf is doing. >> well, thank you for the opportunity to share about it. as you mentioned, ten days ago in pakistan there was accused of blasphemy . so it is

accused of blasphemy. so it is reported that they desecrated the quran publicly. they had written some insults on the pages of the quran , and this led pages of the quran, and this led to a completely intense and extreme amount of mob violence as a result of it. so before the men were arrested and before they were investigated , because they were investigated, because blasphemy is a crime in pakistan, under the penal code and the local islamic clerics stirred up the crowd and said they need to act . and what we they need to act. and what we saw on the internet and through various videos of what was going on was that a few hundred people started to protest to and riot, and this turned into a crowd of about 5 to 7000, it's believed within ten hours. and they completely ransacked the entire neighbourhood and area. you mentioned that churches were entirely ransacked, so it's estimated that 21 or 22 churches were completely destroyed and the bibles and the hymn books within those churches were

destroyed by fire. people had to flee into the sugarcane fields in their thousands as a result of this . and there was just an of this. and there was just an incredible extreme amount of violence. and has this been lethal? >> so have people died as a result of this? >> it's estimated that, yes, but it's very difficult to know the precise details because , as you precise details because, as you say, the reporting is a little bit hazy. we do know that the police have now taken action and they have arrested some people as a result of it. approximately 160 people. it's been reported . 160 people. it's been reported. but as to the loss of life , but as to the loss of life, we're still waiting. >> and the un recently in response to the quran burning , response to the quran burning, an iraqi born activist was protesting outside of i believe it was an embassy, possibly. protesting outside of i believe it was an embassy, possibly . you it was an embassy, possibly. you can correct me if i'm wrong here and in response, the un issued they put out a resolution to ask countries to prosecute people for essentially doing the same thing. is that is that correct

interpretation? >> yes, you're correct. so this happenedin >> yes, you're correct. so this happened in sweden and somebody was protesting outside the iraqi embassy in sweden, burning a quran. and as a result of that, a lot of the islamic nations around the world went to the un and said, this is just not good enough. we need more extreme blasphemy laws . and as a result blasphemy laws. and as a result of that, the united nations human rights council actually passed a resolution in their favour, which is against freedom of speech. >> and so that that un resolution and in in in combination with the fact that pakistan does have blasphemy laws is that not really egging on and justifying in a way this mob violence and wouldn't the un take the same sort of stringent approach when it comes to the fact that these these mobs have have desecrated the bible inasmuch as they would if it was the quran? yeah. >> the ironic thing about the un passing this resolution is that the un is the watchman of international human rights. i

mean the un declaration on human rights was written in the aftermath of the second world war to entrench the fundamental freedoms and human rights that we have as citizens and two of those, number one, freedom of religion and number two, freedom of expression and opinion and thought . and so by saying that thought. and so by saying that blasphemy laws are okay, what the un is doing is, is basically saying, actually, but not in this circumstance, not when there is offence caused to a certain religion. and of course offence and insult are very subjective concepts and so it was, it was troubling that this resolution was passed and the situation in pakistan really lends itself, situation in pakistan really lends itself , doesn't situation in pakistan really lends itself, doesn't it, to vexatious complaints and presumably in the case of this accusation of blasphemy , that accusation of blasphemy, that would have also potentially been vexatious . vexatious. >> so with the un putting out a resolution like this, are they not really sort of making the christian community in pakistan , iran and in other countries like pakistan that have blasphemy laws even more vulnerable to this kind of mob

violence? >> i completely agree. i mean, 70 countries around the world have blasphemy laws. seven of those countries have the death penalty for blasphemy . and penalty for blasphemy. and pakistan is one of those countries . and only earlier this countries. and only earlier this summer, after that resolution was passed , there were was passed, there were protesters, extremists on the streets of pakistan demanding a more stringent blasphemy law. and that was passed through. so now the number of offences under the blasphemy law is even greater as a result of this summer. so what the un is doing is sending a message to these 70 countries is countries that blasphemy law is okay it very severely okay when it very severely impacts freedom of thought and expression. the right to be able to say something even though people may be offended. that's what a democracy rests on and relies upon freedom of speech and we've i've noticed this week that there has been a lot of talk, a lot of news reporting on this cable car that got stuck in pakistan with people. >> people were stuck on this cable car that wasn't going

anywhere. and yet at the same time, all of this mob violence is happening in pakistan and nobody really seems be nobody really seems to be reporting it in the western reporting on it in the western media. why do you think that might be the case? >> raises a really >> it raises a really interesting point about why certain media articles and news reports are prevalent and why others are not. i mean, religious minorities are often unreported in terms of the persecution . an it's the same persecution. an it's the same with the north of india in may of this year, there is estimated that about 300 to 500 churches were completely destroyed through mob violence and then thousands of people had to flee their homes. christians were impacted in the manipur region and this is completely unreported by the western media. so there is a complete lack . i so there is a complete lack. i completely agree with you on this underreporting of religious minority persecution. >> i'm going to bring in my panel here. stephen why do you think it is that the media isn't really paying very much attention to the persecution of christians around world? is christians around the world? is it christians are viewed it because christians are viewed as kind of hegemonic

as being the kind of hegemonic group because we in the west associate it with ourselves and so we think they can't possibly be persecuted, be persecuted, slightly convoluted way of looking at it. >> and i admired the way your mind's working. but can i just say manipur is a very different case. mean, manipur is case. i mean, manipur is certainly a question just certainly not a question of just one the other. one community against the other. there's sorts undertones there's all sorts of undertones with, know, armed gangs with, you know, armed gangs coming that coming across the border that people coming from burma, people coming from from burma, from look, from myanmar. but look, the situation pakistan think situation in pakistan is i think we can understand it. first of all, what the reason manipur all, what the reason why manipur sees headlines is because sees the headlines is because two paraded naked two women were paraded naked through and raped to through the streets and raped to death. that horrifically, death. it's that horrifically, dramatically terrifying . you put dramatically terrifying. you put your point. you remember george orwell in 1984. he had a thing called the five minute hate. when everybody in the country would together five would gather together for five minutes and somebody. and minutes and hate somebody. and that's a way of actually bringing the country together. look nothing in pakistan happens without inter—services without the isi, inter—services intelligence. without the isi, inter—services intelligeanybody who tells you country. anybody who tells you it's or khan or anybody, it's sharif or khan or anybody, they know they just don't know what they're about. is run they're talking about. it is run by is in the interests,

by and it is in the interests, not the military complex not just of the military complex in pakistan, but also the way it fades into into the theocracy aspect of it, to actually have an identifiable enemy. and there's the other advantages there's all the other advantages that accrue to somebody who wants to incite violence because they'll pull the people together . there's your common enemy. we're going hate them. we're we're going to hate them. we're going to burn them. they're apostates. they're horrific. i think it's utterly terrifying. but final but the other thing my final point a christian, i've point as a christian, i've had my reviled, my faith mocked, reviled, insulted and abused virtually from day i was born. you from the day i was born. you know, people have been seen poems about our lord and saviour. they've been horrific stuff. strong stuff. but you know, i'm strong in my religion and my faith is strong enough to take that. and i think people who actually feel strong enough to take that. and i thiiit'syeople who actually feel strong enough to take that. and i thiiit's the le who actually feel strong enough to take that. and i thiiit's the end ho actually feel strong enough to take that. and i thiiit's the end of actually feel strong enough to take that. and i thiiit's the end of the|ally feel strong enough to take that. and i thiiit's the end of the world eel that it's the end of the world because somebody scribbled some mentally ill person throws because somebody scribbled some menttofy ill person throws because somebody scribbled some menttof papererson throws because somebody scribbled some menttof papererson the ws because somebody scribbled some menttof papererson the quran piece of paper from the quran that's slightly worries me. i have and strength in have confidence and strength in my and don't think that my faith. and i don't think that i'd in that way. and i'd be reacting in that way. and i'd be reacting in that way. and ihope i'd be reacting in that way. and i hope most christians would feel same way. feel the same way. >> let's be clear here. >> but let's be clear here. christianity is the most christianity is the world's most persecuted and the persecuted religion and the problem home

problem is most people at home aren't aware that aren't even aware of that because government, because the government, the media, churches the west media, even churches in the west don't anywhere near as much don't give anywhere near as much attention we hear attention to this. now we hear about palestine all time. about palestine all the time. there are million people there are only 5 million people in palestine . there hundreds in palestine. there are hundreds of millions of christians being persecuted. pakistan is one of the ten worst offenders we quite rightly hear about the plight of women in afghanistan and iran , women in afghanistan and iran, but we never hear about the persecution of christians there. we quite hear about we quite rightly hear about the rohingya the rohingya muslims, about the uyghur don't hear uyghur muslims. we don't hear about chinese christians and about the chinese christians and the christians who and the afghan christians who and the afghan christians who and the burmese christians who are being persecuted in those countries think it's countries either. i think it's one the biggest scandals of one of the biggest scandals of our welby our time. and archbishop welby likes to use his pulpit and his seat in the house of lords to talk about gender neutral terms, about the trans debate, about environmentalism. more environmentalism. i'd have more time single time for him if every single speech he should be addressing this issue, which speech he should be addressing this persecution issue, which speech he should be addressing this persecution ithez, which is the persecution of the faithful around world. faithful around the world. >> it's >> ultimately, it's unfashionable want give unfashionable. i want to give the final word to lizzie . what the final word to lizzie. what if people are watching this footage at home of churches

being destroyed? people having their lives upended, their houses gutted, people are going to want to do something. what can people do if they if they if they see these images and they want to do something about it? >> i think we need a debate about free speech in other countries. i think we need a debate about whether blasphemy laws are chord with free speech and freedom of religion, because 70 countries is a large amount of that have these of countries that have these laws . and think we need to for laws. and i think we need to for stand up the rights of, like you say, the most persecuted suited religious which are religious group, which are christians. and it's unfashionable about unfashionable to speak about christian persecution, but it's happening and increasing happening and it's increasing year year and it's increasing year on year and it's increasing in a greater number of countries. so i mean, for christians, we need to stand up for brothers and sisters and for our brothers and sisters and pray for them. but for other people, we need to stand up and say fundamental rights say fundamental human rights demands action as well. >> ell mul e much, lizzie, >> thank you so much, lizzie, for joining us. thank you very much, ralph and stephen, also for comments as well. so for your comments as well. so plenty this evening plenty more to come this evening on sense crusade. next

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radio . radio. >> welcome back to the common sense crusade with me on tv onune sense crusade with me on tv online and on your wireless. this week, one pundit said this about the lionesses following the world cup final. take a look i >> -- >> the only thing i would say about this picture here, what jumps out of you is that this doesn't sort of represent diverse britain . and it's all diverse britain. and it's all these blonde , blue eyed girls these blonde, blue eyed girls and, you know , i wish them well, and, you know, i wish them well, but i do think we need to ask ourselves questions about why is it that we've got it so it has a lack of diversity . lack of diversity. >> meanwhile , in london, the >> meanwhile, in london, the mayor of london got into a spot of bother after a document produced by the greater london authority . he described a photo authority. he described a photo of a white family as not representative of real londoners and on top of that, this tweet claimed that baby murderer lucy letby wouldn't have gotten away

with her crimes for so long if it were not for the ideology of whiteness, as dr. suella wrote. lucy letby exemplifies how ideology of whiteness keeps britain in a chokehold. they believed her tears slash denials , even though evidence said otherwise for no other reason than that she's white, a black or brown nurse would would would have been reported to the police immediately and sacked for suspicion. what on earth is going to on answer this, i'm joined in the studio by lawyer anna luffy. so anna, tell us what the hell is going on. >> well , i what the hell is going on. >> well, i don't what the hell is going on. >> well , i don't know what the hell is going on. >> well, i don't know . may >> well, i don't know. may i comment a little bit on the lucy letby case, which i think is very, very sensitive at this point in our history. it's broken. the judgement has just been handed down and people are reeling from it. and the information that we've received is extremely sensitive and people are grieving, families are grieving . so precise only

are grieving. so precise only for the reasons that i find dr. schiller's comments distasteful. i will myself refrain in from from dealing with this case too straightforwardly. in this programme because i think it is not appropriate to take on such a complex and morally difficult and challenging case which has left so many families in dire straits and turn it into a political football. whether it's political football. whether it's political football. whether it's political football around race or the management of the nhs. you know, cuts, i just don't think it's appropriate. so i'd rather not go there. she she mentioned in her tweet, we can park the case itself , but she park the case itself, but she mentioned something called the ideology of whiteness. >> and so many people might not know what that means because it has a real philosophic background to it. so can you explain to us what she means by the ideology of whiteness? >> yes, i think she wants to suggest. but i mean, obviously your guess is as good as mine. i'm not a mind reader and i

actually i don't use social media and i don't know who this person so i'm working off person is. so i'm working off the you've just the sources. you've just provided. this provided. i don't follow this person. understand she's some person. i understand she's some sort of academic. presume sort of academic. so i presume she has sources and data to back up whatever academic points she wishes to make derived from peer reviewed journals and i'd be interested to see how whiteness is defined in such journals and what the data is. but i suppose what the data is. but i suppose what she's trying to say is that this woman, by virtue of her lighter skin tones, has been able to avoid the law, even though she's now been handed a life sentence in ways that are black or brown. nurse would not have succeed in doing. i just want to say one thing to your viewers, which is that whilst there are many discussions in there are many discussions in the united states and britain about out criminality and race and whether or not race features others in criminal profiling by the police, by the criminal prosecution service, it is

always 100% with respect to black men or persons of colour who are male. there is no association in western society between crime and the black female, and there is certainly no association in the minds of the public either in cultural constructions such as films and tv series as or actual real life cases. tv series as or actual real life cases . there tv series as or actual real life cases. there is no tv series as or actual real life cases . there is no association cases. there is no association at all between the black female and the serial killer. and in fact, i read in a recent article in the guardian that the female serial killer profile is, according to academic research , according to academic research, almost always white. so where is this association between blackness and female criminality be coming from? it's in the mind of dr. shola. it has. >> maybe dr. shola can tell us. let's move let's move on because we're short on time to the lionesses story and the greater london authority story, because in both these cases , these in both these cases, these people who are white, blonde haired, blue eyed were regarded

as not representative of britain as not representative of britain as a whole or not representative of your average londoner. so how do we explain what is going on here to comments like this in the same week? many people will feel that this is offensive. some people would say, hey, that's racist , it some people would say, hey, that's racist, it and then some people would say, hey, that's racist , it and then they that's racist, it and then they would have the retort, no, you're racist for saying that's racist because white people cannot cannot suffer racism . cannot cannot suffer racism. >> well, i would like to say , >> well, i would like to say, first of all, that the equality act 2010, which represents the major piece of legislation that we have to hold various authorities to account for discriminatory attitudes or individuals to account for discriminating attitudes, makes race a protected characteristic . and the definition of race includes colour . colour includes includes colour. colour includes all colour . so persons of all colour. so persons of lighter colour and persons of darker colour, not sensical understandings of the human race. if you if you ask me, but still all persons of lighter

tones and persons of darker tones and persons of darker tones are all protected under the equality act 2010. so if you if you feel that certain rhetoric is creating a threatening or negative environment for you because of the colour of your skin and that you are being targeted unfairly, then you are protected under uk equality law. that's something that i think your viewers should know . there are persons of know. there are persons of colour there are persons of colour and there are persons of lighter and they all lighter colour and they are all protected. that one thing. protected. that is one thing. the point white people the point about white people being perceived as somehow not representative of a diverse society begs and begs many questions about the intellectual capacity of the people that we are discussing. when i looked at that picture of that family in london walking around and i saw that the assumption was that they were white because they have lighter skin tones, my, my, my immediate response was, well, what do you know about this family? i mean, my father is

blonde and blue eyed and he's an arab muslim from lebanon. my mother is darker in her complexion and she's english. so for me, this whole charade is precisely that. but i mean , what precisely that. but i mean, what if it were an eastern european family from the balkans that we were looking at? what if it were a family with all sorts of, you know, multiracial and inter—ethnic and intercultural relationships that provide a very complex family structure? i would suggest that all families, if you look at them historically in terms of where they come from, how they've moved around the world and who they are religiously, culturally, ethnically, racially, they are extremely complex organisms. and to say on the basis of a picture, that lighter skin tone means something, what does it means something, what does it mean ? those people are not mean? those people are not welcome in london? is that what it means? >> so in a word , and i want to >> so in a word, and i want to put to both of my panellists, rafe, is this racist ? rafe, is this racist? >> if this was set up by any other ethnic group, in all three

cases, they would have lost their jobs. they'd have cases, they would have lost theirjobs. they'd have been cancelled from television and likely would been arrested cancelled from television and lik you know what she'd say back to you? imagine if to you, don't you? imagine if you say to lauren james, you know, is a black woman know, who is a black woman in the team, it's absolutely embarrassing. like people embarrassing. it's like people years said, how come all years ago, he said, how come all the black? the sprinters are black? well, i'm know, it's i'm sorry. it's, you know, it's not people don't get positions i'm sorry. it's, you know, it's no sport)le don't get positions i'm sorry. it's, you know, it's no sport on don't get positions i'm sorry. it's, you know, it's no sport on the 't get positions i'm sorry. it's, you know, it's no sport on the basis positions i'm sorry. it's, you know, it's no sport on the basis of sitions i'm sorry. it's, you know, it's no sport on the basis of colour. in sport on the basis of colour. they get it on the basis of their personal skills and abilities. >> and why are most mps from islington? well, i can only think two actually. think of two actually. >> you very anna. >> so thank you very much, anna. >> so thank you very much, anna. >> steve and rafe. here's a question for all of your comments up the final comments coming up in the final part of my common sense crusade this joined by this week, we'll be joined by tammy peterson discuss the tammy peterson to discuss the death of shola. >> annette, sheila. annette lewis, who was denied an organ transplant because she was because she refused the covid vaccination . we'll also hear vaccination. we'll also hear about tammy's personal faith journey. stay tuned

welcome back to the common sense crusade with me on tv, online and on your wireless. a woman from alberta, canada, has died after she was refused an organ transplant because she refused the covid vaccination. sheila annette lewis was diagnosed with a terminal disease in 2018 and was told that she would not survive without a transplant. now hopefully we'll be joined in a minute by tammy peterson. but first, we're joined here in the studio by darren grimes . gb news studio by darren grimes. gb news is very own. so what did you think when you saw this case? because we've had we had a case here in the uk where someone was refused medical treatment because of their views on gender and trans issues. what do you what do you think about people being denied medical treatment because of choices that they make based in their on their own conscience? i think we're moving in that direction in ever

increasing ways. >> i think it's really quite concerning freedom and concerning for freedom and liberty in a country such as ours that's supposed to be a champion and bedrock of those values because everything from de—banking, seemed de—banking, which seemed minuscule the time, but this minuscule at the time, but this is always worried that is what i've always worried that it turn into, which is it would turn into, which is being denied essential services like an organ transplant. it's an abhorrent case and i hope we can actually get it up because i really want to do it. but i just yeah , i can't understand the yeah, i can't understand the direction that we're going in. and i think it's really frightening. >> we've got tammy peterson now with us down the line. hi tammy. thank much for joining thank you so much for joining us. so i want to begin by asking you about this case specifically , because you and your family have been very outspoken against the tyrannical approach of justin trudeau's canadian government during the pandemic. and this seems to be a real obvious cost of those rules and regulations . so what obvious cost of those rules and regulations. so what is obvious cost of those rules and regulations . so what is the regulations. so what is the situation like now in alberta in

canada? are people still suffering the effects of what i would call authoritarianism ? would call authoritarianism? >> well , absolutely. and not >> well, absolutely. and not just in alberta , but in british just in alberta, but in british columbia . that is just west of columbia. that is just west of alberta . the doctors and the alberta. the doctors and the nurses weren't allowed to go back to work if they weren't vaccinated. and so they have a shortage of doctors in british columbia . they pretty much said, columbia. they pretty much said, you're not welcome to come back to work because you didn't go along with your vaccine . simple along with your vaccine. simple as that . as that. >> and i know that you have a fantastic podcast and you interview christians from all around the world. do you get a sense from having conversations with people of what what the state of play is around the world in terms of persecution against people for standing by their own consciences? has this has this affected your understanding of, say, the reality of good and evil in the

world? do people feel that this is a sort of international phenomenon of not being allowed to stand by their own consciences ? consciences? >> we did travel very broadly. we went i think , to 50 different we went i think, to 50 different countries and we went to some of the more eastern bloc countries that were underneath totalitarianism. some of them right up till 1992, in albania . right up till 1992, in albania. and those people are shaking their heads and they said, what are you people playing with? don't you know , now that we have don't you know, now that we have been under the thumb of communism for decades here and we're just climbing out and we have no desire to go back in that direction again , how can that direction again, how can you be so blind to go in this direction and lose all your liberties? >> tammy, we've we've only got a little while left , and i want to

little while left, and i want to ask you about your personal faith journey, because i know that you've been on on a really interesting journey. and i'm interested to know how that has interwoven itself into the events of the last three years . events of the last three years. >> i came down with a what they thought was a fairly treatable kidney cancer for renal cell carcinoma , and they did carcinoma, and they did a surgery on me and then biopsied it and found out that it was much more lethal and told me i had ten months to live and i was in the doctor's office with my husband. we were both shocked, but in my usual manner. i have i've had a tendency see through my life to have some self—doubt and some cynicism, i think. and so i was willing to accept that diagnosis . so i was willing to accept that diagnosis. but so i was willing to accept that diagnosis . but when so i was willing to accept that diagnosis. but when i so i was willing to accept that diagnosis . but when i went home diagnosis. but when i went home to tell my son and i saw the hurt in his eyes and the grief on his face, i realised that his

love for me was way more than my love for me was way more than my love for me was way more than my love for myself and it struck me very deeply. and i could feel the weight of the world lift off my shoulders and i realised at that point that a doctor has his opinion. but it's an opinion and the only, the only way i'll know if i'm going to live or die is by asking god and so that made it easier for me to live through all of this. i spent my time praying and surrounding myself with the medical help in a in a state of gratitude and to have my family around me also in a state of gratitude . and that state of gratitude. and that made it much more tolerable. and i'd the way that it came out, i'm very grateful for it. but it's not up to me. i realise it's not up to me. i realise it's only it's only up to our lord. >> thank you so much, tammy, for sharing your story with us. >> and i know that every week on

this show we like to end with a closing prayer. and tammy has very kindly agreed to read that for us this week. so over to you, tammy . you, tammy. >> oh, i see. i didn't know i was reading. i have to find it. just a minute. it'sjust was reading. i have to find it. just a minute. it's just right. here let's . see here let's. see >> i can have you got it there, tammy , or shall i dive in? tammy, or shall i dive in? >> got it? no, i've got it . so >> got it? no, i've got it. so this is from the common book of prayer, and it's the prayer for today. >> almighty and everlasting god , who aren't always more ready to hear than we are to pray and art want to give more than either we desire or deserve . either we desire or deserve. pour down upon us the abundance of thy mercy for giving us for those things whereof our conscience is afraid and giving us those good things which we are not worthy to ask. but

through the merits and mediation of jesus christ thy son, our lord. >> amen . >> amen. >> amen. >> thank you so much, tammy, for your time this evening. you've been watching the common sense crusade with me, emma webb, calvin week, which calvin is back next week, which means i get to go on my holiday. thank you to everyone who's tuned in the past month. tuned in for the past month. calvin will be back in his rightful next saturday at calvin will be back in his ri p.m. l next saturday at calvin will be back in his ri p.m. next next saturday at calvin will be back in his ri p.m. next up,ext saturday at calvin will be back in his ri p.m. next up, it'ssaturday at calvin will be back in his ri p.m. next up, it's the rday at 7 pm. next up, it's the saturday five, but before that, it's the weather. deus volt , it's the weather. deus volt, that warm feeling inside made from boxt boilers >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. i hope you weren't caught out by some of the showers that we've had around today. certainly some heavy and thundery and there's a thundery ones and there's a chance still of seeing a few thunderstorms start off this thunderstorms to start off this evening. central evening. but for many central eastern be eastern areas, they will be easing off as we head easing their way off as we head into the night, though, persisting for western england, wales showers

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