and this is the . >> it's 8:00 and this is the. saturday five. welcome to the saturday five. and despite the best efforts of mick lynch and the rmt to ruin yet another summer weekend, we'll have all made it into the studio and we're on track to deliver another hour of heated debate. benjamin butterworth is completing a well deserved two week suspension for taking the knee on the show. earlier this month. and emily is attending her 10th wedding of the summer. but not to worry, i'll be present and correct. and we're also joined present and correct. and we're alsojoined broadcaster, also joined by broadcaster, author the wokeist woman on author and the wokeist woman on the dan wootton show , amy nicole the dan wootton show, amy nicole turner, taking that a yes, turner, taking that as a yes, fearless political commentator. alex armstrong . and when she's alex armstrong. and when she's not keeping them in order at the institute of economic affairs, she's a brilliant broadcaster and commentator. it's reem ibrahim. each host gets 60s to outline their argument about a

chosen topic . and then we all chosen topic. and then we all pile in and it gets sassier than donald trump's mug shot. and of course, we want to know your views as well. get in touch by emailing gbviews@gbnews.uk . com. emailing gbviews@gbnews.uk. com. but before we start tearing each other apart, it's his saturday night news with tatiana sanchez as . darren, thank you very much as. darren, thank you very much and good evening. >> this is the latest from the newsroom . tory mp nadine dorries newsroom. tory mp nadine dorries has resigned her commons seat, accusing the prime minister of demeaning his office by opening the gates to whip up a public frenzy against her in her resignation letter, ms dorries accused mr sunak of abandoning the fundamental principles of conservatism and she said history will not judge you kindly. well she declared in june that she would leave her mid—bedfordshire seat with immediate effect. but despite this, she went on to find out why to try to find out why she was refused a seat in the house

of lords. it was thought she'd get a peerage in boris johnson's resignation honours list. she'd been coming under pressure to step down since june . most of step down since june. most of spain's coaching staff has resigned following the conduct of luis rubiales. at last weekend's women's world cup final. rubiales is currently suspended by fifa from all football related activity as he's accused of grabbing star player jenni hermoso's head and playerjenni hermoso's head and kissing her on the lips following spain's victory against england in the world cup.he against england in the world cup. he said it was a spontane veus and consensual little peck and said false feminists were trying to kill him. a statement from the coaches said he offered a story that does not reflect in any way feelings of jenni, any way the feelings of jenni, who she felt the victim who stated she felt the victim of aggression . the rmt union of aggression. the rmt union says a roadmap to a negotiated settlement could bring an end to the ongoing dispute over pay jobs and conditions. today's train strikes continuing for a second year come as many people head off on their summer holidays or even travel to events such as notting hill.

carnival assistant general secretary of the rmt union eddie dempsey, says the government's modernisation plans are not in the interests of passengers. >> what we're seeing now is the centrepiece of the government's modernisation plans, which we've been warning about for a long time, is the closure of every ticket office in the country and the de—staffing of the railway d'humeur ization of the railway and their plans around this are to improve for the to not improve things for the passengers are not because we've all suddenly become networked and and don't need to and modern and don't need to interact other humans. this interact with other humans. this is about ensuring profits is purely about ensuring profits for the private companies that have a stake our have got a stake in our railways. continue to flow railways. now continue to flow and we think this is just one part of what we regard as the managed decline of britain. >> and finally, the deputy head of the british museum stepping aside while police aside while a police investigation into stolen artefacts is underway . the artefacts is underway. the museum's head, hartwig fischer, resigned yesterday and an unnamed member of staff has also been sacked. it's understood that the items which include gold jewellery and semi precious

stones, taken over stones, were taken over a significant period of time for the chancellor, george osborne, who's now the museum's chairman, says some of the items have already been recovered. he's promised an independent review to look into how the museum missed the warning signs. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to the . saturday five. it's the. saturday five. it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. >> i'm darren grimes. india may have sent a spacecraft to the moon this week, but i'm about to attempt something far harder keeping this lot in order for the next hour. let's crack on with tonight's first debate. >> our colleague laurence fox has been the subject of media controversy this week, and darren grimes has been cheering him on from the sidelines. it's time for grime time. >> absolutely. so today is logic, folks. set in fires is

apparently now climate change want and secure borders clearly racist biological definitions don't seem to matter anymore. women can have a penis. britain played a pivotal role in ending the slave trade and now we apparently all reparations. that's what they say and it's totally acceptable to question an election result only if it involves brexit or hillary clinton. the phrase post—truth era has become something of a modern mantra, often championed by the very same lot peddling the most questionable narrative , says laurence fox. once beloved actor, now gb news presenter, became a casualty of this madness. he dared to challenge the sweeping notion that all white people are inherently racist in the heated back and forth, he flung a wild accusation of paedophilia back at his accusers . fast forward to at his accusers. fast forward to the courtroom and lord justice warby of the court of appeal clarified that fox's retort, albeit containing the term ,

albeit containing the term, wasn't meant to be taken at face value. now i'm not suggesting for a minute that we all hurl such accusations, but i can totally emphasise and understand the frustrate in the narrative. for years has been the constant demonisation of anyone who dares reject the portrayal of britain and its citizens as some unique global evil. let's not forget fox's statement on bbc question time, the very show that curtailed his acting pursuits but catapulted him in a political activism. he remarked, where the most tolerant, lovely country . but where the most tolerant, lovely country. but in where the most tolerant, lovely country . but in today's climate, country. but in today's climate, where emotions outweigh facts , where emotions outweigh facts, such truths become controversial . well, that's why it's heartening to me to see glimpses of a justice system that hasn't wholly surrendered to this new age radical ideology . alex, i age radical ideology. alex, i want to start with you now. you must be of the view that this is a good thing. i mean, how many times have you been accused of

such things? it's not paedophilia. >> yeah, i was going to say, let's just clarify at that point. darren. but you know, it is a good thing and the freedom of speech in this country has been eradicated by the left over a of and a long period of time and they've away with they've been getting away with it for a long time without actually challenged. actually being challenged. now people been people like myself have been thrown back into politics because states of because we've seen the states of our freedom of speech gone our freedom of speech and gone well. isn't quite what well. this isn't quite what britain's it ? well. this isn't quite what britain's it? so britain's all about, is it? so i'm really happy that this is a nice first step in recovering what has been lost. is it that, though, or is it just wealthy people quibbling and it getting dismissed at the expense of a lot of money for one man? >> well , i lot of money for one man? >> well, i think that it's important that whether it's wealthy people quibbling or not, it that the debate takes place. >> i'll use nigel farage as bank account being closed as an example. if it hadn't happened to nigel, we wouldn't be talking about accounts about people's bank accounts being yes, yes, being frozen. so yes, yes, it's maybe wealthy people maybe some wealthy people squabbling comments. squabbling over some comments. however the premise of their argument is extremely important.

>> the same time, we're >> at the same time, we're locking down protests, making locking down on protests, making it ever for people it harder than ever for people to freedom speech, to have freedom of speech, putting prison for putting people in prison for just saying their opinions on putting people in prison for just street. their opinions on putting people in prison for juststreet. so air opinions on putting people in prison for juststreet. so i'm pinions on putting people in prison for juststreet. so i'm notons on putting people in prison for juststreet. so i'm not sure»n putting people in prison for juststreet. so i'm not sure that the street. so i'm not sure that this is a victory of freedom of speech. >> people are glueing their behind to the road , then they're behind to the road, then they're getting arrested. >> even getting the >> they're not even getting the chance do now, are they? chance to do that now, are they? >> well, yes, but they're not getting arrested for their speech. >> getting arrested for >> they're getting arrested for blocking a road for potentially must chilled must have been quite chilled dunng must have been quite chilled during when some during the coronation when some people they thought were anti—monarchy protesters were arrested for no apparent reason. >> surely, as someone who believes in free speech and freedom of expression, then that should concern you and everyone on this panel. >> well, look, i think that >> well, look, i think in that moment, you i don't know moment, you know, i don't know what police intelligence what the police intelligence was saying no saying. i have absolutely no background, clearly wrong . well, background, clearly wrong. well, that's innocent that's certainly an innocent woman got put in prison. you know, here know, i'm not here as a representative of his majesty's police force, i am here as police force, but i am here as someone that gets accused of being racist, some kind being racist, of being some kind of swivel eyed bigot. all because i voted and campaigned

for brexit and absolutely do for brexit and i absolutely do not have any regrets about that whatsoever. >> that both of those >> i think that both of those things true. we can sort things can be true. we can sort of look at the justice system and that the fact and actually say that the fact that freedom of expression is being recognised an important being recognised as an important part democracy, part of our democracy, that's good. the fact good. and equally the fact that the protest is still being the protest bill is still being implemented that people are implemented and that people are being arrested being pre—emptively arrested before try to protest before they even try to protest both of those things can be true and can condemn both of them. and we can condemn both of them. >> you ever heard the >> have you ever heard of the phrase an eye for an eye makes the whole blind? and the whole world blind? and i don't whether or not don't know whether or not laurence's by calling laurence's response by calling someone a is just fuelling the fire of this gutter debate. an awful way that we're debating in politics nowadays and actually maybe we should be trying to rise above these issues doesn't drag down the whole tone of debate by being as bad as the people who are starting it. >> i do agree with that point, but i might add the silence has been what has led to this in the first place. people going, i'm going to rise above well, going to rise above it. well, there's only many times you there's only so many times you should something

should rise above something before you go. actually, i'm going to make a stand. i'm not necessarily we should go around calling but not calling people, but i'm not saying fight. sure. >> surely. >> surely. >> surely. >> surely are getting away >> surely you are getting away with calling me something that's not true. >> on em- em— >> people on the left. >> people on the left. >> it work i do it? back >> will it work if i do it? back to you. and reality was, is to you. and the reality was, is that left were hurt by what that the left were hurt by what he and therefore he was the he said and therefore he was the one that was taken to court, not the comments that were made. but alex, what does that tell you? >> the left >> people? people on the left should be calling people should not be calling people racist, homophobic and transphobic reason, and racist, homophobic and transtheir c reason, and racist, homophobic and transtheir opponentsason, and racist, homophobic and transtheir opponentsason, ar not then their opponents should not be no, but my point is, i just >> no, but my point is, i just think i think it's sullies the debate is everyone they are debate is that everyone they are is the left are calling the right racist and homophobic and transphobic. >> so what is right. >> so what is the right. >> so what is the right. >> minute. >> wait a minute. >> wait a minute. >> back for the situation. >> back do for the situation. >> back do for the situation. >> i mean, look, was a tactic >> i mean, look, it was a tactic that fox used, whether that laurence fox used, whether you or not, i you agree with it or not, i think is an entirely separate issue for laurence make the issue for laurence to make the jump issue for laurence to make the jump the judge was jump that the judge was commenting jump that the judge was con critical g jump that the judge was concriticalg theory simply >> critical race theory simply isn't true. the judge dismissed it as opinion. so it's a jump. well judge said it well the judge said that it wasn't, know, it's clearly wasn't, you know, it's clearly

not that was not the case that he was actually intending call actually intending to call someone a. >> but he also didn't comment in the did on the way that laurence did on critical but i think critical race. but i think it bnngs critical race. but i think it brings into question, though, the wider debate all laurence the wider debate of all laurence said question time was that said on question time was that actually this quite nice said on question time was that actutolerant quite nice said on question time was that actutolerant and uite nice said on question time was that actutolerant and he; nice said on question time was that actutolerant and he; nright to and tolerant and he was right to say that. and tolerant and he was right to say so at. and tolerant and he was right to say so you and tolerant and he was right to sayso you must and tolerant and he was right to say so you must accept that it's >> so you must accept that it's unfair for him to be dismissed in has. i think the in the way he has. i think the way laurence has been treated by hollywood and that whole of hollywood and that whole kind of world and world has been appalling. and i just don't know that the response is to be as horrible back people that were back to the people that were horrible laurence. quite horrible to laurence. and quite i we've lost a sense i just think we've lost a sense of polite and having of being polite and having manners, more people manners, and i wish more people had manners in politics. had good manners in politics. whatever manners whatever happened to manners of good manners, albie? >> but not like being >> but i do not like being called racist. i don't like called a racist. i don't like being called homophobic. and i get constantly. get those comments constantly. and going to there and if i'm going to sit there and rise them all the time and rise above them all the time while get away with it, while they get away with it, where the turning point where does the turning point happen? back. happen? you have to fight back. the do have to fight the question we do have to fight back. i'm the big believer in fighting back. >> i mean, sure the audience >> i mean, i'm sure the audience know that by me my big know that by now, me and my big mouth. anyway, up next, it's

mouth. but anyway, up next, it's albion. albee's going argue albion. albee's going to argue that reparations, that that it's not reparations, that post—colonial but post—colonial nations need, but a decent government and a dose of decent government and stop game. stop the foreigner blame game. off go be calls for off you go be calls for reparations to be paid reached fever pitch this week when a un judge suggested that £18 trillion. >> yes, you heard it, £18 trillion wasn't enough for the uk to pay back the debt for all of the nations that were pummelled during the slave trade. now, i think that is complete nonsense. the uk shouldn't be paying a penny in reparations loans, and here's why . post—colonial african and why. post—colonial african and canbbean why. post—colonial african and caribbean nations aren't impoverished because of slavery . they're primarily in the mess that they're in because of corrupt politicians and bad decisions is made post—independence . s let's look post—independence. s let's look at two post—colonial success success stories. singapore poor has become one of the most prosperous countries in the world. even more prosperous than many of the former colonial

powers that colonised most of the world. let's take india, for example . this year it became the example. this year it became the world's sixth biggest economy . world's sixth biggest economy. it sent a spacecraft to the moon , and it's also the world's biggest democracy. how does that fit in with the argument that colonialism is the cause of all of these countries problems? when there are many post colonial nations which are thriving, singapore and india just to name a few ? now, has just to name a few? now, has colonialism had a lasting legacy for both good and bad? of course it has . but is the for both good and bad? of course it has. but is the bad the sole reason that these countries are struggling both socially and economically? no no, of course not. let's say the people calling for reparations to be paid are right. like the guyanese president . let's say guyanese president. let's say they are right. who should be paying they are right. who should be paying the reparations and who should be receiving the reparations ? is he seriously reparations? is he seriously arguing that modern day british

taxpayers who have absolutely nothing to do with the slave trade, should be paying modern day , modern day people in day, modern day people in formerly colonised countries who similarly have nothing to do with slavery because if things which happened centuries ago , which happened centuries ago, it's total nonsense , whatever. it's total nonsense, whatever. next, should britain be demanding reparations from sweden for the viking conquest or from france for the norman conquest ? of course not. britain conquest? of course not. britain is already one of the biggest donors in global international aid. it's a fundamental part of our budget. every year , a our budget. every year, a conservative policy that i'm very proud of. we seem to have got to a place in the world where we want quick and easy solutions for problems . and the solutions for problems. and the simple fact of the matter is we can't our social or can't solve our social or economic problems, whether here in britain, in africa or in the caribbean, with quick, simple solutions. and that's why i say those who are calling for reparations and blaming slavery for the problems of countries today are just providing a

convenient excuse for failure , convenient excuse for failure, aiming . nicole convenient excuse for failure, aiming. nicole i convenient excuse for failure, aiming . nicole i sense that you aiming. nicole i sense that you might not agree with what i've said. do you think that there is actually a point for these people that are saying that colonialism has left a really bad legacy? if we look at the berlin conference, which carved up africa into many different nations, not really taking into account different cultures, languages , some people argue languages, some people argue thatis languages, some people argue that is why africa is in the mess that it's in. do you think that there is actually more to it than what i've said? >> compare all >> you simply cannot compare all the colonisation nations as if they are one homogeneous group. singapore was used as a trading port, the caribbean was founded solely because of slavery to be used by slaves to send produce back. it's very existence is because of the wrongs of slavery. so of course the legacies are going to be completely different. added to the fact that you have the debts that the uk has given out to africa, to the caribbean since

slavery ended . slavery ended. >> now they're taking out debt with china, which has got even worse terms. i mean, let's look let's look at india, for example . similarly partitioned in a similar way to africa, the partition of india was one of the worst atrocities that was caused by the british empire . caused by the british empire. millions of people died. and yet india thriving . india is thriving. >> the reason you're never going to run away from this, and i think it is an inevitability that reparations will happen from the us, from the uk in a matter time because you've matter of time is because you've got of free labour got 200 years of free labour that needs to be paid for. >> darren is our we >> darren grimes is our we compensated the slave owners until 2015. >> so there's a debt and that debt needs to be paid and it will be paid. >> we did. but but darren grimes, are reparations inevitable? well, as says, inevitable? well, as amy says, where £18 trillion going to where is £18 trillion going to come bigger than the come from that's bigger than the uk a multiples as well. >> we'll all be living in caves and eating, stewing grass for two, sustain ourselves . you two, sustain ourselves. you know, over my dead body. i'm willing to put myself down on that floor and don't do it now .

that floor and don't do it now. i'm not going to do a benjamin butterworth down. look , butterworth get down. but look, i'll be i think it actually reinforces victim narratives to parts of the world that are just making excuses. >> i'm sorry , is a victim >> i'm sorry, is a victim narrative the whole . narrative the whole. >> no, it's not. what the canbbean >> no, it's not. what the caribbean done over there in my lifetime. >> i think what britain does fundamentally in my lifetime, you've been paying reparations to the to the slave owners until 2050. >> that was that was that was that was why that was a fundamental part of why britain ended slave trade. remember ended the slave trade. remember what's response to what what's your response to what amy's been saying? >> so i think that fundamentally, when we're looking like looking at countries like singapore, when they looking at countries like singéopened when they looking at countries like singéopened up when they looking at countries like singéopened up their when they looking at countries like singéopened up their countriesy have opened up their countries to trade, to open market, to free trade, to open market, yes, we have seen them get even ficher yes, we have seen them get even richer some of their richer than even some of their colonisers . so fundamentally, richer than even some of their coloniwe're so fundamentally, richer than even some of their coloniwe're thinkingimentally, richer than even some of their coloniwe're thinking about|lly, richer than even some of their coloniwe're thinking about the when we're thinking about the differences and amy makes a good point, there differences point, there are differences in the countries the way that these countries were during the periods were used during the periods that colonised. that they were colonised. and however, countries however, when those countries open open trade to freedom open up to open trade to freedom of expression, to better, better democracy or better , more sound

democracy or better, more sound governments, then we do see those countries thrive. and i think singapore is a fantastic example of that. they've got a better health care system than us because they've been able to introduce free markets. introduce more free markets. >> also have no foreign >> they also have no foreign debt, whereas the caribbean and africa are entrenched. >> alex >> i'm interested in what alex armstrong this armstrong has to say on this because often get called because you often get called a culture war warrior. so are you getting so angry at these people calling for reparations , asians calling for reparations, asians like amy nicole turner over here? >> look, i think the whole debate is ridiculous . and i'll debate is ridiculous. and i'll tell you why. because throughout human history, slavery has happened and you know what happened and do you know what the biggest problem with this debate that there are debate is, is that there are more slaves today than more modern slaves today than there have been on there ever have been slaves on boats. now, on left boats. now, nobody on the left wants talk about that. they wants to talk about that. they constantly drag up the constantly want to drag up the past, but don't to past, but they don't want to tackle many millions of tackle how many millions of modern around. modern slaves exist around. >> do want talk >> think we do want to talk about modern which is about modern slavery, which is one reasons we want to one of the reasons we want to stay echr. but amy. stay in the echr. but amy. >> look, the problem is, is >> so look, the problem is, is that you will always have someone calling for reparations that you will always have sowe one calling for reparations that you will always have sowe continue1g for reparations that you will always have sowe continue on or reparations that you will always have sowe continue on this parations that you will always have sowe continue on this point.�*ns if we continue on this point. absolutely. yeah.

>> i couldn't agree more. we're going end there. going to have to end it there. but still to come tonight, amy is reaction is annoyed about the reaction to the latest release a popular the latest release by a popular children's author. and alex is angry money angry about the money we've given pioneers given to the space pioneers india. we'll be living india. but next, we'll be living the dream tells us why the dream as she tells us why the dream as she tells us why the care crisis is all of the child care crisis is all of the child care crisis is all of the government's making. you're with five live on

hugh grant's mugshot. >> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five, as always. cheers very much for your emails about tonight's topics. kate says well done, laurence fox. he's taken a stand for all the sensible people around. my only question is when will we see him back on gb news? now my producers are probably going to tell me that i think he's back next week. actually but i could be wrong. he'll be back shortly, though, i promise you that. kate. but theresa says on the entire planet potentially planet and potentially the solar system not system, oh, there is not a person who talks more rubbish than laurence fox . that was than laurence fox. that was a hollow court victory. if ever i

heard one. well, she she didn't hold back there, did she? that was that was now it's was me. that was you. now it's time our next debate. up time for our next debate. up next, it's reem. and reem thinks the government are to blame for the government are to blame for the childcare crisis . and it's the childcare crisis. and it's high time that we lift the reem. >> well, childcare this week is another hot political topic yet again this week. the children and families minister claire casino blamed landlords and other stakeholders for putting up childcare costs. they've blamed them for effectively saying that actually they've been restricting the number of childminders as we've saw, the number of childminders reduced from about 100,000 in the mid 1990s to a whopping 30,000 today. but our landlords are really to blame . i think that really to blame. i think that the government need to actually look in the mirror themselves and think about how they've been themselves, been the cause of high childcare costs. we've got some of the most stringent childcare regulations in europe and actually if we were to mirror some of those european child to staff ratios, we could

see childcare costs reduce by about 40. looking at norway as a particular example, they've got much lower childcare regulations than we do and their costs are much lower. we've also got the sort of statutory framework that they have for under five year olds. the government have implemented that back in 2006. it's effectively a curriculum for under five year olds. now, i don't think that under five year olds need to have a particular curriculum. what that means is that have to that childminders have to sort of give kind of detailed of give those kind of detailed reports that effectively means that those that have english as a second language or those that are well educated are are less well educated are effectively barred from being able childminders able to become childminders orders. government need to orders. the government need to stay out of childcare and instead implement a voucher system that every parent is system so that every parent is able to choose where they get their childcare from . when it their childcare from. when it comes to childcare, the government have bunch of government have been a bunch of dummies . dummies. >> oh yes. >> oh yes. >> why don't put it in your >> why don't you put it in your mouth? >> have put it in my >> i could have put it in my mouth. alfie, what do you think? do you think that childcare

costs are really sort of fundamental to the government's fault? or do you think that we spend more of our government money? >> look, i think i would be a little concerned when little bit concerned when you say government to get say the government needs to get out of childcare because that suggests childcare suggests that childcare shouldn't all. shouldn't be regulated at all. >> i don't that's the >> and i don't think that's the argument making. so i argument you're making. so i think probably have think i probably wouldn't have used obviously we used those words. obviously we want there to be regulations in childcare children, childcare to keep our children, our babies safe. so it is important that but not too much regulation. i think that's the problem . i think it's both an problem. i think it's both an issue of government and actually what the public want. the government are swayed by public opinion and sometimes the public like regulation. >> i think it's fundamental about what parents can do , and i about what parents can do, and i think that parents are clever enough to make the decisions for themselves about kind themselves about what kind of caring environment is caring and safe environment is best for their children at the moment, the government are artificially increasing costs and that's fundamentally and i think that's fundamentally what and i think that's fundamentally whtbut i think one place that >> but i think one place that would also disagree with you on is the curriculum for undefined rules. we're getting

rules. you know, we're getting young going to reception young people going to reception now can't even hold now where they can't even hold pens properly . they're not potty pens properly. they're not potty trained. you know, these basic things which are needed for children to excel in school. and i that actually should be i think that actually should be stipulated government. stipulated from government. >> early years the most >> early years is the most critics time to prep you for the education system completely. and i . i agree with that. >> but what are the parents doing? >> the parents can't afford not enough the moment. can't enough at the moment. can't afford teach child afford to teach their child parents and can't afford parents at home and can't afford to send their kids to. we have the highest childcare costs in the highest childcare costs in the world and the government needs to subsidise childcare more , more because they're more, more because they're putting the nurseries out of pocket and they're putting the parents pocket. parents out of pocket. >> so i think this the kind >> so i think this is the kind of problem people seem of the problem here. people seem to that when childcare to think that when childcare costs are high, when costs for anything that is sort of anything that that is sort of important people seem important are high people seem to that spending to think that spending more taxpayer going taxpayer money is actually going to the to solve the problem. the government year government this this this year actually budget announced actually at the budget announced that going to that they were going to introduce 15 to 30 hours of free childcare, childcare, childcare, free childcare, obviously taxpayer funded childcare for actually the

majority is to going majority of that is to going middle class women who already work already able to work and are already able to afford . well, we need afford childcare. well, we need to that variability to do is allow that variability to do is allow that variability to and i think to occur. and i think that fundamentally solution is fundamentally the solution is actually across the world actually look across the world where they have child staff where they have less child staff ratios, potentially a ratios, potentially introduce a voucher system and give parents back that choice. >> you professional i >> i think you professional i have agree on principle. have to agree on principle. >> if i may make a pie and >> and if i may make a pie and roll the nanny state. yes roll back the nanny state. yes you children need nannies you know, children need nannies , alex. >> children need nannies . >> children need nannies. >> children need nannies. >> can communicate >> nannies that can communicate and english well. and speak english as well. >> children need good >> please. children need good parenting. i'd parenting. if anything, i'd rather the money was spent on training parents to how be good parents what parents and what their responsibilities the 21st responsibilities are in the 21st century. lot century. because i think a lot of parents. >> that sounds a bit nanny >> but that sounds a bit nanny state sound like you don't have any. >> i would rather do anything at all get on with all and let people get on with their frankly. and i their lives, frankly. and i think you know, when you think that, you know, when you add regulation onto add tonnes of regulation onto something, eventually you out, you capitalise it, no you out capitalise it, it's no incentive to be in this industry. you're industry. actually, you're seeing many childcare centres closing down because the closing down because of the immense closing down because of the immeiforced on to closing down

being forced on to closing down because they don't make enough money is due money and a lot of that is due to, you know, as you say. >> reem it is a very regulated market still end up market and yet still we end up with being pushed onto with books being pushed onto children. so we're going get children. so we're going to get on to that in a minute with amy and but the problem and a book. but the problem is, right, that i. yeah, maybe i need to do nanny is to allocate darren elocution. i actually think the problem here is really quite you look across europe right and there are examples after examples of kids being more affordable in other countries than they are in britain , despite not being as britain, despite not being as heavily regulated. and we are actually adding a burden on a childcare and child rearing and it's people off from it's putting people off from being able to raise children . i being able to raise children. i mean, i know so many people who have in broadcasting have jobs even in broadcasting who i just can't afford to who say i just can't afford to do it. >> and i think we sort of talk about the gender pay gap, really the gap a result the gender pay gap as a result of women who have left work because they've not been able to afford childcare. if we to

afford childcare. if we want to reduce childcare and if reduce childcare costs and if the government about the government are serious about reducing cut some of that they've got to cut some of that red tape. >> they could subsidise it >> or they could subsidise it better. well ahead, amy is better. well still ahead, amy is very indeed the very annoyed indeed about the reaction by a popular reaction to a book by a popular children's author. >> and she's going to tell us why shortly. first, here's why shortly. but first, here's the warm feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from the boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . i hope you weren't met office. i hope you weren't caught out by some of the showers that we've had around today. certainly some heavy and thundery and there's thundery ones and there's a chance of seeing few chance still of seeing a few thunderstorms off this thunderstorms to start off this evening. many central evening. but for many central eastern they will be eastern areas, they will be easing their way off as we head into night, though, into the night, though, persisting western england, into the night, though, persistand western england, into the night, though, persistand somestern england, into the night, though, persistand some drizzly1gland, into the night, though, persistand some drizzly showers wales and some drizzly showers for scotland for parts of northern scotland where going to remain where it is going to remain relatively cool relatively cloudy. slightly cool night dropping night towns and cities dropping down 12 c, but into down to ten 12 c, but into single figures for some rural areas. we start off sunday areas. as we start off sunday morning. generally the further east you best of the

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>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five. your emails are coming in thick and fast as usual. cheers. very much regarding the calls for reparations , janice says for reparations, janice says ridiculous . absolutely ridiculous. absolutely ridiculous. absolutely ridiculous. i was in singapore and someone stopped me recognising i was british and said they had so much to thank us for. reem thinks the government is to blame for the childcare crisis, but jason says if a child can't go to the loo, write or read, it is solely down to the parents. it's got nothing to the parents. it's got nothing to do with any government. that's what i said. now now it's time for our debate . up time for our next debate. up next, and as usual,

next, it's alex. and as usual, he's this week about the he's angry. this week about the fact that india can afford to go to the moon and yet apparently still need billions in aid from britain away you go, alex. >> yes, darren. well, as he just said, india, this week landed on the moon. and, you know, first of all, congratulations to india. it's an incredible achievement that only a handful of countries have ever achieved and only a few people have ever stood on the moon, including one armstrong might i add. but the real matter of fact here is that the £23 billion in the uk spent £2.3 billion in foreign aid dressed up as investments to ngos in india over the last four years. now myself and a few others who were talking about this online and patrick christys here on gb news received a torrent of abuse for calling out terrible british policy this week. as you can see from the lovely tweet here. now, a lot of the responses to that tweet claimed that the money in india was being spent on radicalising hindus and

converting them to cristiana ity and attacking their democracy . and attacking their democracy. well, as you know, i love to do a little bit of research, so i went and looked at how that money was spent and least 85% money was spent and at least 85% of that money was spent on bringing indian the indian pubuc bringing indian the indian public out of poverty and building new schools, building railways, roads and a massive amount of other infrastructure, including creating jobs and educating them . now, what's so educating them. now, what's so interesting about that is that the indians don't actually want these this aid. they actually their prime minister rejected their prime minister rejected the aid a few years ago, all the way back in 2015. so it begs the question, if the indians don't want this aid, then what do they want? what does india want? well, it was very clear to me that they want more reparations from us. they want £45 trillion in reparations to great britain. and they also want the crown jewels . now, globalists here jewels. now, globalists here like albie and our missing friend benjamin butterworth this evening would tell you that

these investments are worthwhile. they keep britain a major player in the world. well, i'll tell you this. would i'll tell you this. i would rather the 12.5 billion aid that we've spent to foreign countries over the last few years goes to pubuc over the last few years goes to public schools here. trains our doctors and nurses and gives them a fair pay, hires more police officers tackle the police officers to tackle the crime in this country crime epidemic in this country and give back to the british and give it back to the british people. it's been too long that the government haven't been on the government haven't been on the side of britain, particularly when we're in a cost of living crisis. now, albie, i'd love to ask you, how do you defend the actions of the conservative government over the last years? last ten years? >> first of all, alex, you've tried to confect some sort of disagree moment between you and i about about india spending $75 million on its space mission, which actually isn't very much, by the way, it's not a very large sum of money. so i think it's impressive that india have managed to do that mission. and i think costs it costs. well, i think it costs it costs. well, no, but in of in terms of no, but in terms of in terms of a government spending, public

spending, not spending, £75 million is not a lot get to the moon. i think lot to get to the moon. i think it russia about 200 it costs russia about 200 million do same mission. million to do the same mission. so well done to the indians for doing than the doing it cheaper than the russians. your point about russians. but your point about globalists ? i a globalists? yes, i am a globalists? yes, i am a globalist cafm. i do think it is important that britain has global relationships and that we look to work with our international partners and friends make the world friends to make the world a better, more prosperous and safer place. so you're saying i agree your point. yes. agree with your point. yes. about going to india when about aid going to india when they seem to have 75 million to spend on a space? >> i think you're missing exactly point. exactly my point. >> be a globalist and >> you can't be a globalist and say that, well, you know, it's fine for us to send aid to countries, but then when it comes to britain being in a crisis we are today, crisis like we are today, we can't this quickly. can't even solve this quickly. >> plenty to answer me this, >> i plenty to answer me this, but if you're not a but you're both if you're not a globalist, are you a nationalist? >> a nationalist. and >> i am a nationalist. and i believe that britain should be put first. >> can make a really >> can i just make a really crucial point? britain are being >> can i just make a really crucfirst oint? britain are being >> can i just make a really crucfirst because tain are being >> can i just make a really crucfirst because the are being >> can i just make a really crucfirst because the amountg >> can i just make a really crucfirst because the amount we put first because the amount we invest in india, we make more in return. >> actually, part of my research

showed very, very clearly that we from this. we make no investment from this. >> actually haven't gained >> we actually haven't gained anything literally invest anything back, literally invest into business and which increases back. >> @ money in return >> we make more money in return from deals with india. yes, from the deals with india. yes, we give give some to ngos to we give we give some to ngos to alleviate in oh alleviate poverty in india. oh my terrible. hate my god, how terrible. i'd hate to but overall it to support that, but overall it is investment worth the return. >> amy charity starts at home. there are children living in poverty this country. surely, poverty in this country. surely, before virtue before we become virtue signalling, in signalling, we're sweeping in with packages money, with our aid packages of money, we the issues we should resolve the issues on our own. >> getting more money support >> getting more money to support those home. those issues at home. >> i think fundamentally we >> i think that fundamentally we should should reallocate it. should we should reallocate it. the would the problem here and i would actually say so. >> alex, alex concluded his his little about it, this little speech about it, this spending saying that we'd spending by saying that we'd prefer money spent in prefer this money be spent in this prefer the this country. i prefer the money, be by taxpayers money, not be taken by taxpayers at all. and i'd rather actually reduce the tax burden. we've got the highest tax burden since the second rather we second world war. i'd rather we take money instead of take that money instead of sending to india, give people sending it to india, give people back their tax money. sending it to india, give people baci their tax money. sending it to india, give people baci would ax money. sending it to india, give people baci would love oney. sending it to india, give people baci would love that, too. by >> i would love that, too. by the way, think the british the way, i think the british pubuc the way, i think the british public deserve a tax break, but

but we going to spend the but we are going to spend the money which conservative money which this conservative government no government obviously has no control budget. control over the budget. >> the international >> what about the international aid? give it aid? we might as well give it back. what about the international aid that has gone towards tackling in towards tackling fgm in the in the east, africa that the middle east, in africa that has yemen, a war zone has gone to yemen, a war zone which needs. that's which actually needs. that's not. but your not. no, no, no. but your argument to be against argument seems to be against your seems to your argument seems to be against international aid altogether. international aid is beneficial britain on some beneficial for britain on some very worthy causes around the world, we should be proud. world, which we should be proud. >> charities . >> charities. >> charities. >> is tiny. we >> albie aid is tiny. we shouldn't budget some shouldn't be budget some fantastic publicly funded charities public will support. >> and that's where the aid should from. it should be a should come from. it should be a trickle down, a, hey, we're trickle down, not a, hey, we're going to take your money going to take your tax money while you're all suffering, aren't even your energy while you're all suffering, aren'tyou n your energy while you're all suffering, aren'tyou just your energy while you're all suffering, aren'tyou just abdicate' energy while you're all suffering, aren'tyou just abdicate and rgy bills. you just abdicate and trickle down economics. >> send it to or somewhere trickle down economics. >> sfori it to or somewhere trickle down economics. >> sfor investment.)r somewhere else for investment. >> say is i remember >> what i will say is i remember a report by reem's colleague christopher snowden, where we were money to the chinese were given money to the chinese in foreign aid to try and get them off of salt , to try and get them off of salt, to try and get them off of salt, to try and get them stop putting more salt them to stop putting more salt on their food. nonsense. >> it's true. i know. i'm saying

that's stupid. that's a stupid. >> saying that's stupid that's a stupid. >> to ;aying that's stupid that's a stupid. >> to do.1g that's stupid thing to do. >> can i also tell you that you laugh this? laugh at this? >> also funded the spice >> we also funded the spice girls africa. there was an girls in africa. there was an african version of the spice girls, which was million girls, which was a few million pounds aid. so, you pounds to be in aid. so, you know, i know we are starting to change way we do aid in this change the way we do aid in this country, is a very good country, which is a very good thing, not going far enough. >> but the aid budget isn't going far enough. it's absolutely tiny and it should get smaller. embarrassingly small. it's like a 20th of a test and trace. >> it's if you ask the british pubuc >> it's if you ask the british public the 2.3 billion public where the 2.3 billion means lot them, i think means a lot to them, i think they agree. they will agree. >> you're ignoring my point that it's back return. it's coming back in return. >> you that it's >> but i'm telling you that it's not the research that we've not from the research that we've done. it's absolutely not coming. >> so, alex, would you be comfortable if international aid? >> would you be comfortable if international aid stopped and as a died yemen? a result, people died in yemen? what a result, people died in yemen? wh so this would you would >> so this is a would you would you comfortable with that? you be comfortable with that? >> i'll be yes >> yes or no? okay. i'll be yes or no. that's the case. >> why didn't we send the troops into yemen and end the war? >> no, >> oh, no, no. >> like your argument >> like your whole argument is

we should. >> em- w.- >> no, we are not. the police can't answer the question. britain trouble. yes no? >> need to look after. no, we shouldn't. >> we shouldn't be sending. you would be comfortable. no you can't going to can't tell me that i'm going to kill yemen and me can't tell me that i'm going to kill yes, yemen and me can't tell me that i'm going to kill yes, i'm yemen and me can't tell me that i'm going to kill yes, i'm going nen and me can't tell me that i'm going to kill yes, i'm going tor and me can't tell me that i'm going to kill yes, i'm going to agreeme can't tell me that i'm going to kill yes, i'm going to agree with say yes, i'm going to agree with it. i'll come your defence. it. i'll come to your defence. anoosheh ashoori. >> conclusion >> that is not the conclusion that coming what are that he is coming to. what are you that it sounded you saying is that it sounded like me. like it to me. >> it absolutely isn't he like it to me. >:saying.olutely isn't he like it to me. >:saying and sly isn't he like it to me. >:saying and incidentally, he tomorrow. >> w- w" wi- e not what he said. >> what he is saying is that actually need be more actually we need to be more careful where this money careful about where this money goes. say goes. now, what i will say is that comes to young that when it comes to young girls facing girls that is facing fgm, horrible, that horrible, horrible things that are at the hands of most of these regimes, these authoritarian regimes, why would more these authoritarian regimes, why would to more these authoritarian regimes, why would to those more these authoritarian regimes, why would to those authoritariannore money to those authoritarian regimes? more regimes? we need to be more careful this money careful about where this money goes. i don't want to see these dictators, dictatorial individuals dictators, dictatorial indiv british taxpayer with british taxpayer money. >> way >> all right. that's a good way to end it. i think that could have on. i no doubt. still to end it. i think that could have though,i no doubt. still to end it. i think that could have though,i no our bt. still to end it. i think that could have though,i no our finaltill ahead, though, it's our final debate and we're finishing in style. turner style. it's amy. nicole turner tells annoyed tells us why she's annoyed by the children's tells us why she's annoyed by the called children's tells us why she's annoyed by the called grandad children's tells us why she's annoyed by the called grandad pride.'en's book called grandad pride. you're with the saturday five live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. your emails are flying in and their support in our very own laurence fox and says there's a phrase all it takes is good men to do nothing for evil to triumph. i believe laurence fox is one of the good men . fox is one of the good men. regarding our last debate on aids , dan says there are plenty aids, dan says there are plenty of things we spend on which are most more weight wasteful even than international aid. when can i expect my first journey on hs2 7 i expect my first journey on hs2 ? well, probably in india before here, but never mind now. it's time for our final debate. up next, amy is annoyed about the reaction to the book grandad's pride . and she's going to tell pride. and she's going to tell us why. here you go, amy. >> well, this week, the award winning children's author, harry woodgate was put through the right wing ringer. their book, grandad's pride based on their own life experiences, has been well and truly mary whitehouse .

well and truly mary whitehouse. commentators like the ones alongside me were outraged by this absolute filth which tells the story of a bereaved grandfather and his granddaughter arranging a village pride march. they asked the local baker for a cake. they eat ice cream. there's a friendly dog called gilbert . it friendly dog called gilbert. it wasn't quite the. sorted and erotic tale promised me by my colleagues here at gb news while it's no surprise that certain commentators don't read books, it was a shock. it was a shock to see a digitally altered version of the cover doing the rounds where you could even see a little photoshop where the hand used to be the on the hand used to be on the on the flag to reduce and depict being lgbt as a kink , a fetish to lgbt as a kink, a fetish to indoctrinate children really is entry level homophobia and it's deeply irresponsible . it's deeply irresponsible. it's section 28 vibes 2023 has seen rising levels of lgbt hate incidents and misrepresentations like this , and moral panics like

like this, and moral panics like this fuel that fire have an opinion on the book, have an opinion on the book, have an opinion on the book, have an opinion on the book, but just make informed . darren no one make it informed. darren no one could ever accuse you of being uninformed . have you read the uninformed. have you read the book commenting on book when you were commenting on it earlier this week? book when you were commenting on it ewell, this week? book when you were commenting on it ewell, you'veeek? book when you were commenting on it ewell, you've shown i >> well, you've shown me and i can see the section. where's the? the bdsm we've got it on here, haven't we? right section. come on, bring it up. >> suck it up . >> suck it up. >> suck it up. >> we've got it somewhere. oh i can find it here actually. >> oh. it's where's wally? >> oh. it's like, where's wally? right here we are. here we are. here we are. here we are. just nestled background. nestled in the background. there's leathers, there's a man wearing leathers, wearing . well, that's wearing bdsm gear. well, that's your interpretation . your interpretation. >> it's on the screen now for the to see themselves. the viewers to see themselves. >> so would you nursery >> so would you go to nursery wearing no, i wouldn't. wearing that? no, i wouldn't. >> i would go pride >> but i would go to pride wearing >> but i would go to pride weilook, put my hands up >> look, i will put my hands up and i commented on this and say i commented on this earlier on week said earlier on this week and i said it thing. and that it it was a bad thing. and that it was completely outrageous. and whilst graphic was completely outrageous. and withere graphic was completely outrageous. and withere with graphic was completely outrageous. and withere with the graphic was completely outrageous. and withere with the bdsmjraphic was completely outrageous. and withere with the bdsm is phic in there with the bdsm is inappropriate for children , it's

inappropriate for children, it's actually not as much of a bigger deal actually seeing it in the context of the entire book and actually that the picture that many media outlets were using was doctored. i mean that is appalling . i think that's appalling. i think that's appalling. i think that's appalling. that is actually. >> and what's the motivation there? know , there's real there? you know, there's a real malicious amy. >> mean, pretty fanciful >> i mean, it's pretty fanciful , though, to start throwing around labels like homophobic when sat here as when i'm obviously sat here as a gay man and going through that book. are trans flags that book. there are trans flags that horrible ideological flag there, which tells children that they need to castrate themselves . need to castrate themselves. >> darren, darren is a. >> darren, darren is a. >> darren, darren is a. >> darren, it's not appropriate for children. >> the progress i don't like the progress either. >> if you don't like a progress flag either, don't say hang on. it's telling children to castrate themselves. >> yes , it is. >> yes, it is. >> this is the children . yes, it >> this is the children. yes, it is the children. >> a flag are being . told how to >> a flag are being. told how to be a woman. >> when i when i was growing up, i read a lot books with i read a lot of books with straight characters and i'm straight characters and i'm

straight friends straight and a lot of my friends are gay. get your are gay. you won't get told your by gear to a by reading up in bdsm gear to a nursery children . nursery in front of children. >> i think should go to >> i think you should go to prison. what's happening. >> and how is that not a children's book? i think . children's book? i think. >> i think that we need to just children's book? i think. >> i 1this that we need to just children's book? i think. >> i 1this down we need to just children's book? i think. >> i 1this down here zed to just children's book? i think. >> i 1this down here and 0 just children's book? i think. >> i 1this down here and o jlneed bring this down here and we need to what to think about actually what that and that book represents. and it's supposed loving, supposed to be a sort of loving, happy story . supposed to be a sort of loving, happy story. is. supposed to be a sort of loving, happy story . is. there happy story. it is. there is there character in there there is a character in there thatis there is a character in there that is clearly wearing clothing that is clearly wearing clothing that around that is inappropriate around children i it's children. now, i think it's irresponsible itself to throw around accusations that calling people homophobic just because they're criticising the book. i think people now, sure think most people now, i'm sure there some most people that there are some most people that are criticising this book are saying it's inappropriate saying that it's inappropriate for trying to for children. they are trying to protect children . now, think for children. they are trying to protecallsildren . now, think for children. they are trying to protecalls to ren . now, think for children. they are trying to protecalls to ban now, think for children. they are trying to protecalls to ban the v, think for children. they are trying to protecalls to ban the booinnk itself. >> but didn't we all can we all want to respond to and why ? want to respond to and why? >> could be the >> i think this could be the thin the wedge is because thin end of the wedge is because section was prompted section eight was prompted by a bookin section eight was prompted by a book in the 80s. it turned up in hanngey book in the 80s. it turned up in haringey library and is haringey library and that is what kicked off the whole you can't gay school. that can't say gay at school. that damaged generation of damaged a generation of children. and i just feel today. but it is happening before before we get alex in. it's

happening america and it's happening in america and it's soon happen. soon to happen. >> to ask you one >> i just want to ask you one really quick question, because you in background. >> very small. if >> it's very small. yeah. if in this book, you were going this book, if you were going through was through this book and there was an illustration of tommy robinson, a little tommy robinson, a little tommy robinson in there and he was holding he was holding up some flag with some motto, would you say flag? would you say , oh, say flag? would you say, oh, it's just small. it's in the background . background. >> and the thing is, would you if a child, would say, if a child, would you say, i don't think robinson is don't think tommy robinson is going to get little people, going to get a little people, little soon. little stories, any time soon. well, if they told the well, if he did if they told the story wild imagination. wait, story of wild imagination. wait, wait. let's just. just. if wait. let'sjust. let'sjust. if i to the image i just tie it back to the image , the reason have , the reason i don't have a problem this is problem with this image is because no answer. >> there is an there. >> there is an answer there. >> there is an answer there. >> because we're talking? >> there is an answer there. >> can because we're talking? >> there is an answer there. >> can lyecause we're talking? >> there is an answer there. >> can i justrse we're talking? >> there is an answer there. >> can i just interject talking? >> there is an answer there. >> can i just interject quickly? because original because i think the original point debate amy, point of this debate, amy, was that you know , the that was that, you know, the image and that's image was doctored and that's wrong . you know, news outlets wrong. you know, news outlets should we should do a better should do we should do a better job. should ourselves job. we should hold ourselves accountable, do a betterjob of saying that. and i think, you know, that know, we all agree that is wrong. i will say is that wrong. what i will say is that there are some books that are

age appropriate. i don't think that's age appropriate if it's going nurseries, that's age appropriate if it's goirii nurseries, that's age appropriate if it's goirii see nurseries, that's age appropriate if it's goirii see where nurseries, that's age appropriate if it's goirii see where it|rseries, that's age appropriate if it's goirii see where it will es, that's age appropriate if it's goirii see where it will fit i >> would you say that taking a child pride age appropriate? >> no, i wouldn't. >> no, i wouldn't. >> wouldn't. >> i wouldn't. i wouldn't. no child >> i wouldn't. i wouldn't. no chi|but there are plenty >> but there are plenty of children pride. children at pride. >> shouldn't are. >> they're likely to see >> they're very likely to see somebody >> they're very likely to see son parents are entitled to >> they're very likely to see sonparents are entitled to make >> parents are entitled to make a decision. >> they are. you're right. a decision. >> they are. but�*re right. a decision. >> they are. but theyjht. just >> they are. but they were just arguing choice. arguing for parental choice. >> because you're >> but that's because you're obsessed identity. no, i'm not. >> albie amankona celebration . >> albie amankona celebration. >> albie amankona celebration. >> it's a celebration. i think kids, my pride is great. finish my hard earned celebration. amy >> it'sjust my hard earned celebration. amy >> it's just to finish my point. look like children go to school to learn something. and particularly years, to learn something. and parti are irly years, to learn something. and parti areirly very years, to learn something. and parti areirly very suggestive . they are very, very suggestive. i don't book that that i don't think any book that that paints any flags or ideology of any kind should be in schools up until an age where they were you. >> however, i understand there's a certain age where you can start consuming this. >> you argue that >> and can you really argue that you all terribly influenced you were all terribly influenced by christina aguilera's dirrty in 2002? >> when i was four, but in >> not when i was four, but in 2009. we were all consuming this, this, this sexualised

content and i want to i want to answer your question, though. >> yes. because because you addressed like relationship and sex age sex education when age appropriate. when son was for appropriate. when my son was for about four years ago, i was a single parent at the time. all the families presented to him in the families presented to him in the class were heterosexual mummy and daddy. and he was like, why ? what's our family? like, why? what's our family? why it different? and a lot why is it different? and a lot of represented in this of people represented in this book, trans parents, book, there are trans parents, there gay parents, there are there are gay parents, there are lesbian everyone is lesbian parents. everyone is represented book. represented in this book. and i think this think that's why this is the perfect to all perfect introduction to all types of think. >> it's ruined by that one character and he's not even a character and he's not even a character . character. >> my point is slightly different, but i'd actually like to see depictions of lgbt people in society , not in pride events in society, not in pride events where this is the history pride parade , aids march minors strike parade, aids march minors strike right now . right now. >> after that, thanks very much to all our wonderful guests tonight, but mainly to you at home, our brilliant viewers . home, our brilliant viewers. russell says, please keep

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