talking a very good morning and welcome to the camilla tominey show with me, tom harwood. >> i'm covering again whilst camilla is away, but don't go anywhere . of she's back anywhere. of course she's back next so we can all look next week. so we can all look forward to but this is forward to that. but this is the only politics show being broadcast british television broadcast on british television this morning. so it's your one stop shop for all political news. don't go anywhere and i'll be quizzing veterans minister

johnny mercerjust in a moment. after the supposed death of the wagner group's chief, yevgeny prigozhin, i'll also speak to vladimir putin's former number two in the kremlin, the former prime minister of russia, mikhail kasyan . we'll hear from mikhail kasyan. we'll hear from the chair of the defence select committee, tobias ellwood . and committee, tobias ellwood. and with just two days to go before the ulez zone is extended to outer london, i'll get the thoughts of the reform party's candidate to be london mayor howard cox. also bill clinton's former special counsel in the white house joins us to discuss. well, you guessed it, that donald trump mugshot . well, donald trump mugshot. well, let's turn to the front pages now and see what's got the nafion now and see what's got the nation talking. let's start with the sunday telegraph, which says, reeves no wealth tax under laboun says, reeves no wealth tax under labour. they've got an interview with labour's shadow chancellor. they're on to the sunday times, which leads with a email told of chaos on letby war door. now the

observer server today leads with sunak faces fresh , fresh sunak faces fresh, fresh conflict of interest row on india trade talks much to get into there and on the mail on sunday secret labour plan to charge drivers by mile. they're talking about replacing fuel duty no doubt. and the sunday express as pm life to mean life for vilest killers as they've got an interview with the prime minister running today. got an interview with the prime minister running today . the sun minister running today. the sun on sunday goes with the met cops hit by a hackers. a big story there and the sunday mirror today goes with let's be bosses get out of jail free card and find the daily star has a peculiar story, as they often do, which is to put your little johns away . it's about sherwood johns away. it's about sherwood forest . but i

johns away. it's about sherwood forest. but i don't think we might need to go into much of the detail there. well i'm delighted that joining me to discuss what's perhaps behind the front pages today in our paper review is giles kenningham, who was the number 10 communicator in chief for io communicator in chief for david cameron. giles, thanks for being with us this morning. it's interesting across the papers, there have been a lot of interviews with senior political figures . figures. >> yeah, yeah, big set pieces, i suppose. people taking advantage of the fact quite, quite a sort of the fact quite, quite a sort of quiet news cycle during the summer and trying to get their agenda out there. obviously. i suppose delicate truce in suppose the delicate truce in the tory party has been shattered this shattered today by this bombshell from nadine bombshell interview from nadine dorries . dorries. >> should we start with then the mail on sunday? because they've got this spread that includes the really quite feisty resignation letter of nadine dorries . what's she saying? dorries. what's she saying? >> i mean, she doesn't pull her punches. she basically says sunak has no mandate to lead the party. she she kind of indulges in a bit of class warfare,

talking about his prior the shoes, his savile row shirt, and basically says he has deserted the core values of the conservative party now huge political headache for the conservative party why is that? because they're now going to have to fight a by—election, which they probably won't win, but they're going to have to throw the kitchen sink at it, have throw lot of money at throw the kitchen sink at it, hecomes hrow lot of money at throw the kitchen sink at it, hecomes at»w lot of money at throw the kitchen sink at it, hecomes at a lot of money at throw the kitchen sink at it, hecomes at a time of money at throw the kitchen sink at it, hecomes at a time when oney at throw the kitchen sink at it, hecomes at a time when wey at throw the kitchen sink at it, hecomes at a time when we saw it comes at a time when we saw two days ago that they are actually and will be actually in debt and will be a huge opportunity cost. and you're probably going to have a byelection, the you're probably going to have a bye|oftion, the you're probably going to have a bye|of conference the you're probably going to have a bye|of conference and the you're probably going to have a bye|of conference and after the eve of conference and after conference, sunak trying to sort of reset party, but also set of reset the party, but also set out roadmap the next out the roadmap to the next general in the moment general election in the moment of political pain, perhaps of most political pain, perhaps for prime minister. for the prime minister. >> i, i suppose. nadine dorries has always been a bit of a thorn in the side of many prime ministers when you were working in number 10, what was the sort of reaction to how she was behaving? of course, famous. she went into the jungle in 2012. >> yeah, she was one of the so—called awkward squad, one of the agitators , but probably not

the agitators, but probably not as big a problem as she is for sunak as she was for us. i think the kind of attitude was that nadine will be nadine. we tried to placate her, but an acceptance that she was always going to probably be a critic, sniping from sidelines. but sniping from the sidelines. but wasn't wasn't a huge, big wasn't she wasn't a huge, big political headache for us. >> then i suppose need to >> then i suppose we need to wait and see what her book reveals, if it's going to be anything the sort of which anything like the sort of which is, think, on the eve of is, i think, due on the eve of tory conference, isn't it? tory party conference, isn't it? >> it's meant to sort of >> i think it's meant to sort of lift the lid on on sort of what was behind boris johnson's downfall. and obviously, once again, being launched again, you know, being launched to and cause maximum pain again, you know, being launched to the nd cause maximum pain again, you know, being launched to the tories. se maximum pain again, you know, being launched to no tories. se maximum pain again, you know, being launched to no fascinating|aximum pain again, you know, being launched to no fascinating|aximlbutiain >> no fascinating stuff. but also there's a there's a big interview the sunday interview in the sunday telegraph picked out, telegraph you've picked out, which rachel reeves, the which is with rachel reeves, the shadow she's shadow chancellor she's saying there a tax there won't be a wealth tax under the labour party. >> this is all part of, i suppose, labour's decontamination strategy when it comes to the economy. the economy been achilles economy has been their achilles heel economy has been their achilles heel. they've been trusted heel. they've not been trusted on in this kind of quite on it. and in this kind of quite wide ranging interview, in a notable the telegraph sort of notable in the telegraph sort of appeal sort of class

appeal to sort of middle class tory voters, she rules out a so—called wealth tax mansion tax. also rules out any more tax hikes that she's going to go for growth. so yeah, an interesting ploy by growth. so yeah, an interesting ploy by her. if you speak to tories , they say that famous tories, they say that famous liam byrne note there's no money left still comes up in focus groups. so you actually i think you'll the tories you'll probably see the tories trying hammer the bruise on trying to hammer the bruise on that one from labour. >> so despite high >> so despite the high inflation, the united kingdom has, relatively has, despite our relatively low growth, sees the growth, labour still sees the economy as a bit of a vulnerability. perhaps yeah. >> i feel like the nhs is a >> i feel like how the nhs is a vulnerability tories, vulnerability for tories, i think it is think yeah, for labour it is clearly problem. interesting clearly a problem. interesting this idea of a so—called mansion and wealth tax. we pulled this in preston, which is in 2015in preston, which is a very labour seat, which very safe labour seat, which interestingly i think has the highest level of home ownership in the country, 90, 95% there, universal, easily labour voters were against. i think this is where labour have been missing a trick. most people are aspirational, trick. most people are aspirational , they're not pro aspirational, they're not pro taxes. so yeah , interesting taxes. so yeah, interesting positioning . i mean the question

positioning. i mean the question for the tories now is to force labour into more positions in the up to the election. so the run up to the election. so far i think they've managed to get with not saying too get away with not saying too much, just hoping the tories screw sort winning by screw it up, sort of winning by default constructive default with constructive ambiguity, being all things to all not saying very all people by not saying very much all. much at all. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and i think, you know, starmer is quite untested. i think were just discussing think we were just discussing for about the idea of tv for on air about the idea of tv debates. and ironically, think debates. and ironically, i think for tories will be for once the tories will be quite tv debates. is there quite pro tv debates. is there 2025 behind in the polls 2025 points behind in the polls and fancy their chances and probably fancy their chances against leader who so against the labour leader who so far to that far doesn't seem to be that agile his feet? agile on his feet? >> it's interesting always. it seems the people sort seems to be that the people sort of that the most to of behind that have the most to gain are the ones agitating for it those that in it and those that are in and you've seen week haven't you've seen this week haven't you, sort of republican you, with the sort of republican primary elections. >> you know, trump, who's by clear massive frontrunner clear the massive frontrunner he chose them because chose not to do them because he's nothing to gain from he's got nothing to gain from it. >> it. it'll be interesting. >> no, it'll be interesting. labour so much labour agitating so much for these years. these debates in previous years. perhaps back perhaps they'll be rowing back from it now. but that's not the only interview. theresa only interview. also, theresa may her head this may has popped up her head this week the sunday

week in the sunday times magazine . what's been magazine. what's she been saying? it's interesting, >> i mean, it's interesting, isn't i think former prime isn't it? i think former prime ministers, it's a difficult balancing this country balancing act in this country once you leave the political scene, you're kind of expected to the limelight . to sort of leave the limelight. and i suppose the question for them do make them is, when do they make interventions ? yeah, reasonably, interventions? yeah, reasonably, reasonably . interesting reasonably. interesting interview from theresa may. not someone who often commits news, but i suppose one of the standout news lines you said standout news lines is you said that bercow actively that john bercow actively frustrated her efforts to get a brexit deal through parliament. >> now it's interesting, she sort pulled back sort of has almost pulled back her punches against boris johnson, who you might expect she has quite a lot to say about not so much to say because this is all about her new book that's coming out soon. it is interesting. she sort of seems to be more going after bercow than to be more going after bercow tha yeah, interesting. yeah. and >> yeah, interesting. yeah. and the not biographical. the book is not biographical. i think power and think it's abuse of power and it's looking things like it's looking at things like hillsborough and the daniel morgan murders. yeah, in morgan murders. but yeah, and in this she's not this interview, she's not someone known for showing emotion but she emotion opening up, but she talks about crying outside talks a bit about crying outside number resigned. and

number 10 when she resigned. and it's i think, it's relatively, i think, reflective philosophical . and i reflective philosophical. and i think says reasonable think she says a reasonable amount of self—awareness in there well. an there as well. also an interesting holding interesting bit about holding donald hand and what donald trump's hand and what really on slope. really happened on that slope. >> wonder, will this book sort >> i wonder, will this book sort of be a landmark thing or will it be sort of here today , gone it be sort of here today, gone tomorrow? how much does what theresa may says now matter? >> i think it does matter. it doesn't feel like this book is about settling scores. but i think she does have the sort of ability to say to break this delicate truce in the party by making interventions. to be fair to her, i don't think it's something that she does gratuitously. she so far has chosen to speak out on issues she cares about and i think probably recognises she has more cut more cut through when she's more selective. and is it just that continual voice sniping from the sidelines we sidelines that perhaps we saw historically people like edward heath perhaps john heath doing and perhaps john major, was very good for major, who was very good for a long time, perhaps long time, but perhaps intervened, people may say intervened, some people may say too around brexit too much around the brexit brexit referendum . brexit referendum. >> yeah, no, it's an interesting balancing sort the less

balancing act, sort of. the less you perhaps the more power balancing act, sort of. the less you wordslaps the more power balancing act, sort of. the less you words have he more power balancing act, sort of. the less you words have as more power balancing act, sort of. the less you words have as aiore power balancing act, sort of. the less you words have as a formerver those words have as a former prime minister. but there are more interviews still this weekend . sadiq khan in the weekend. sadiq khan in the sunday times, he's saying that history will prove him right on ulez yeah, he's doubling down on his ulez charge , which is, i his ulez charge, which is, i think, coming into force in outer london on tuesday. >> far has been to be >> so far has been proved to be quite controversial . many people quite controversial. many people say cost labour. boris a seat say it cost labour. boris a seat in uxbridge, which tories in uxbridge, which the tories held. saying, no, i'm on held. he's saying, no, i'm on the right side of history. obviously you know, this is coming at a time of a cost of living crisis. people could be hit with nearly a £30 charge for driving london and i think driving into london and i think you can see labour very nervous about this. starmer has rowed back on other of air back on other sort of clean air congestion charging plans throughout the country. so i think there's a question mark. the in siddique's the one thing in siddique's favour, think run up to favour, i think in the run up to the elections next year the mayoral elections next year , he hasn't got , they haven't he hasn't got strong opposition there strong opposition on. there isn't fantastic tory candidate isn't a fantastic tory candidate standing, he well get standing, so he may well get a third term. >> it's interesting, the tories haven't gone after anyone box

office. mean susan hall is office. i mean susan hall is their she's been their candidate. she's been a member of the london assembly for quite time. known for quite some time. she's known to conservative activists she's to conservative activists, she's been active on social media. but perhaps household perhaps not a household name. why it that the tories have why is it that the tories have failed to pick another boris johnson or sort of a big media figure that that's known? figure that that's well known? yeah >>i yeah >> i mean, look, it's not for want of trying. when i was in government i think approached government i think we approached karren coe , we tried karren brady, seb coe, we tried to get that big ticket name in london someone who's london does need someone who's got name recognition, i got big name recognition, i think in. it's bizarre. think to get in. it's bizarre. it's a great job, you know, being mayor of london is a global figure . you get to bang, global figure. you get to bang, bang drum for what is the bang the drum for what is the greatest city in the world. so, yeah, it's bizarre. >> no, it really, really odd. just you've picked out just finally, you've picked out something in the sunday times about a netflix success for meghan. meghan markle yeah. >> meghan markle and prince harry, whose finances some may argue have taken a bit of a hit this year , according to netflix this year, according to netflix suits, which was a program which made her famous box office hit, has had massive resurgence in

has had a massive resurgence in the netflix charts. and, the next netflix charts. and, you maybe to you know, maybe it's going to herald a new series coming herald like a new series coming forward. so not all bad news after they dumped by after they were dumped by spotify, job in spotify, perhaps anotherjob in line the duchess kent. line for the duchess of kent. >> giles cunningham, thank >> well, giles cunningham, thank you going through you so much for going through the papers this morning. really interesting papers. interesting set of papers. of course . but now turn to course. but let's now turn to wolverhampton, where jack carson is with our people's panel this week. jack, what questions do the panel have for our guests coming up on the show ? coming up on the show? >> yeah, good morning to you, tom. welcome to the black country . welcome to country. welcome to wolverhampton. we're in this absolutely beautiful building. this is called the chubb's building here in wolverhampton. it's a grade two listed building. the warehouse building. it was the warehouse and of, of chubb's and the factory of, of chubb's and the factory of, of chubb's and son lock company. so we're certainly going to be in safe hands today. we're at the medicine bakery the people's medicine bakery for the people's panel. and i'm joined here with victoria who's here at victoria now who's who's here at the works for the the bakery, works for the bakery. how's business? bakery. tell me, how's business? >> good at the >> business is good at the moment. we're the newest moment. yeah. we're the newest medicine four across medicine out of the four across the to open. and then

the region to open. and then this is where the bakery is based. so. yeah, lots going on here. yeah, quite busy at based. so. yeah, lots going on heremoment. quite busy at the moment. >> fantastic. there's certainly a here grabbing a good few people here grabbing some and grabbing some some coffees and grabbing some food morning. food this morning. but let's come the people's come over and meet the people's panel their questions. with come over and meet the people's pan politicians questions. with come over and meet the people's pan politicians todayions. with come over and meet the people's pan politicians today we've i/ilh come over and meet the people's pan politicians today we've got the politicians today we've got three people here on the panel today. we've got lynda, pete and william. william, let's start with question with you. today your question is for the conservative members on the on on the interview list today. the on on the interview list today . your question is about today. your question is about immigration. it is a prime minister's promise to cut the boats coming over from france. >> i haven't actually seen that yet. so what's what's going on with the promises ? with the promises? >> and what for you would solve this? i mean, we know it's been an issue for the government. they can't get those numbers down. what for you would help that ? what for you down. what for you would help that? what for you might be the solution . solution. >> what's the solution would be increasing the number of border forces, boats over that . i'm

forces, boats over that. i'm sure . i'm forces, boats over that. i'm sure. i'm sure forces, boats over that. i'm sure . i'm sure there's other sure. i'm sure there's other solutions as well. >> thank you, pete . of course, >> thank you, pete. of course, we had that quite explosive resignation letter from nadine dorries last night. your questions based on some of the things she said in that letter, isn't it? >> absolutely. the standout comment about the zombie comment was about the zombie government. rishi sunak has been in power almost a year now. he's made various promises, as william alluded to. he appears to have done nothing. and my question is , do the tory question is, do the tory government see the end is nigh and they're just sitting back and they're just sitting back and biding their time till the next election? >> now, linda, howard cox is on is on the show today. of course, he's london mayor he's running for london mayor tell your question for tell me about your question for him. >> well, one of the pledges he's making is make london safer making is to make london safer for women. >> daughter who lives >> i have a daughter who lives in london who obviously has to travel on the underground and then walk home to where she lives . he's saying he's going to lives. he's saying he's going to reorganise the police to make women feel safer. i'd like to know how he intends to do that

and get across to the women and to get across to the women that they are safer with all the bad publicity the police bad publicity that the police have lately. bad publicity that the police hav now, lately. bad publicity that the police hav now, of lately. bad publicity that the police hav now, of course, ely. bad publicity that the police hav now, of course, inf. bad publicity that the police hav now, of course, in london, >> now, of course, in london, one of the big problems, one of the big issues that people are having one of the having issues with, one of the big is, of course, the big debates is, of course, the expansion pete. do you expansion of ulez pete. do you do kind of you concerned do you kind of are you concerned that the likes of clean air zones expand more zones and ulez might expand more around and we might around the country and we might well see one here in wolverhampton? >> i think it's inevitable, as you zones in you say, clean air zones in birmingham already 1 other birmingham already 1 or 2 other places have been earmarked for them. , they're taxing the them. for me, they're taxing the wrong people. these are going to hit the people who can't afford to upgrade their vehicles in central london. if you can afford to live there, you're going to have a car, which is 3 to 5 years old. the people are going are the ones who going to be hit are the ones who can't afford to change their cars. cdl’s. >> cars. >> and linda, you said your daughter doesn't drive in london and public and she relies on public transport a in transport as ulez got a point in that that position. well, it that in that position. well, it still point in that if still has a point in that if you're getting workmen out to the house, it's increasing costs for want

for the people who want a plumber to or an electrician. >> they're going to be paying more money. the general more money. so the general public, paying more public, again, are paying more money. again, it just seems money. so, again, it just seems to a stealth tax in which to be a stealth tax in which whichever area it's in. all right. >> thank you so much to all of our panel. some big questions there, tom, for guests there, tom, for your guests today. jake, thank you very today. well jake, thank you very much for those questions. >> putting them to our >> we'll be putting them to our guests a bit later. and guests a little bit later. and of if you at home want of course, if you at home want to in the people's to get involved in the people's panel to get involved in the people's panel, remember to panel, remember the address to visit news dot com slash visit is gb news dot com slash panel. visit is gb news dot com slash panel . but let's get now to the panel. but let's get now to the minister for veterans affairs and the member of for parliament plymouth moor view, johnny mercer . johnny, thank you for mercer. johnny, thank you for making the time for us this morning. i i don't know if you managed to catch any of what our people's panel was saying there, but i was interested in what both david and pete were saying about the competence of the government . really? is this a government. really? is this a zombie government that has failed to do things like stopping the boats? that's raised taxes? what it is this

government actually achieving ? government actually achieving? >> good morning, tom, and thank you for that. i mean , i did you for that. i mean, i did catch at the end of it and look, i think i think it's very easy, isn't it, to sort of look at what's gone on. and obviously it's been a very difficult time. the conservative party and, you know, we're on our third or fourth prime minister now and look at it in that direction. absolutely and i understand that. and i understand people feeling that. i really do. but there are always two sides to there are always two sides to the story. and actually , you the story. and actually, you know, i sit here this morning, i think what is this government done?i think what is this government done? i look people done? i look at people in plymouth are better plymouth who are £3,300 better off on their energy bills because of specific interventions by this government. the long term plan for staffing in the nhs that remains a huge challenge in plymouth. if i look at myspace and what we've done on veterans affairs, you know, for the first time we've got a dedicated mental health care pathway for veterans country. we're veterans in this country. we're ending homelessness ending veterans homelessness this look, i respect

this year. so look, i respect these views. of course i do . and these views. of course i do. and i think we have to work harder to make people really feel those benefits and feel that stuff is being done. but i don't think , being done. but i don't think, you know, the characterisation that we've seen of the government this morning is fair. of course i don't. you know, but people are more than entitled to their and as their opinions. and as politicians , as we listen to politicians, as we listen to them and then get our nose to them and then get our nose to the grindstone and keep working for elect us. for the people who elect us. >> of course, the reason why this be pertinent this this might be pertinent this morning, more than other morning, perhaps more than other mornings, night we mornings, is that last night we saw pretty scathing attack on saw a pretty scathing attack on the government from one of your colleagues in parliament, from someone you sat around the cabinet table with back under bofis cabinet table with back under boris johnson's government. cabinet table with back under boris johnson's government . and boris johnson's government. and nadine dorries has not held back. she's called rishi rishi sunak a failing prime minister. what are your thoughts on her resignation letter ? resignation letter? >> well, look , nadine said she >> well, look, nadine said she was going to resign. i think it's, you know, good that she has resigned now and that the

process in mid beds can continue . look, i'm always very sad, i think, when these things are played out in public. she's written a very personal letter to the prime minister and, you know, as again, as her. right. i think that , you know, you take think that, you know, you take some aspects in there that i'm familiar with defence spending. she talks about defence spending being cut. mean, it's just being cut. i mean, it's just fundamentally not the case. and you know, started in you know, when i started in parliament, £38 billion a year is just under £50 billion a yeah is just under £50 billion a year. now this prime minister, when he was chancellor , actually when he was chancellor, actually signed the biggest signed off the biggest settlement the settlement for defence since the end war. so you end of the cold war. so you know, may vary on know, recollections may vary on some these policies. but some of these policies. but look, she's entitled to her view . i think we have the by—election now. we've got a good candidate in mid—bedfordshire know, mid—bedfordshire and you know, we look forward to the by—election >> i suppose what she's saying might strike a tone with some people the size of the army is smaller than it has been in in a very , very long time, perhaps in very, very long time, perhaps in central forces does. nadine

dorries not have a point? that certainly in a lot of these areas it feels like there's been regression . regression. >> so i think when it comes to numbers in the army, you know, and in the military, you know, it's all about lethality, isn't it? in the military, the military is actually a very clear job. military is actually a very clearjob. and military is actually a very clear job. and the truth military is actually a very clearjob. and the truth is, now clear job. and the truth is, now that we more capability, that we have more capability, more ability to project force at reach further around the globe with better technology and better equipment than we've ever had and, you know, i've had before. and, you know, i've been clear and straight been very clear and straight down the whether i'm in down the line, whether i'm in government out government government or out of government or on the issues. or where we are on the issues. and that fact of the and that is the fact of the matter. cannot judge the matter. you cannot judge the military simply on numbers. and you need to say we've reduced spending is simply not the case. and you know, we have to keep pace with the changing nature of warfare and actually meet those threats. nadine is entitled threats. but nadine is entitled to her view. you know, i think it's very sad when these things play it's very sad when these things play out in public. she's written a very personal letter to the prime minister that i

didn't i didn't really get all the way through because it went on for quite a while. but, um, i think we just, you know, it is what it is. i think we need to move forward and we need to get a new candidate into mid—bedfordshire. and i think we can run a good campaign . and can run a good campaign. and things are slowly beginning to turn around. >> and very briefly >> just lastly and very briefly on area, will parliament be on this area, will parliament be poorer for not having nadine doris poorer for not having nadine dofis you poorer for not having nadine doris you miss her doris there? will you miss her presence there personally ? presence there personally? >> look , i think historically, >> look, i think historically, nadine has added a real yeah, a real value to parliament. and, you know, i value all of my colleagues and their story and their backgrounds that they represent . absolutely. but, you represent. absolutely. but, you know, no one's bigger than no one's i mean, you're to talking a guy who's been sacked from government twice. right. and no one's bigger than the party. you know, the party is there and the national interest is there to deliver for the people of britain who go out and vote for it at general elections . and of

it at general elections. and of course, from time to time, everybody will feel unhappy with what happened . now, i think, what has happened. now, i think, you know, it's regrettable that nadine gone down the sort of nadine has gone down the sort of personal route, which is , personal route, um, which is, you know, but that is her right. she's been conservative mp for she's been a conservative mp for some time . she's been a conservative mp for sometime. um, she's been a conservative mp for some time . um, resigned some time. um, she's resigned now. she would resign. now. she said she would resign. we're to we're going to have a by—election in mid bedfordshire. i think everyone's kind of tired of over the coals that of raking over the coals of that bofis of raking over the coals of that boris premiership. boris johnson premiership. i think extremely think it was an extremely difficult time for many of us. um and we just need to get on with the pitch as it currently is now and deliver for people in the who expect us to show to the uk who expect us to show to show that delivery by the time the next election. >> it feels like you might have been walking along a tightrope dunng been walking along a tightrope during that question. johnny mercer to what mercer but we must get to what you're here to actually talk about, which of course, how about, which is of course, how the resettlement the government's resettlement program going afghan program is going for afghan refugees. what's your update today ? today? >> well, look, tom, we have worked really hard over the summer. the prime minister asked

me to look at this in april, may time, getting these afghans who we relocated . and we have a duty we relocated. and we have a duty to after the evacuation from operation piercing, from the collapse of afghanistan . we're collapse of afghanistan. we're up to around 25,000 people now. we've relocated . the vast we've relocated. the vast majority of those are are in settled accommodation. yes, it's been difficult. it's a really difficult policy area. they spent too long in hotels, many of these people. and we've had to put a deadline on that to get people out of hotels. but we've we've you know, we've matched that with a really generous offer. have offer. my team have worked around clock the around the clock over the summer, you know , we're housing summer, you know, we're housing 400 people a week . we've 400 people a week. we've generated 1000 homes. we've changed thousands of lives across the country . for afghans across the country. for afghans who've come here at the end of fitting this summer, i'm really proud of the efforts and i hope we continue to support this we can continue to support this special cohort . special cohort. >> do you not think that it's somehow undermines somehow somehow undermines all of the effort that is going on for those afghan legitimate refugees ? is that 400 are being

refugees? is that 400 are being housed every week , as you say, housed every week, as you say, when on some days more than 400 on a single day arrive from various countries by small boat on england's southern coast. look tom, there is i, i have a very dim view. >> i'm afraid, of those who are undertaking that journey. it's incredibly dangerous . there is incredibly dangerous. there is no requirement to leave france. you can apply for the scheme. the afghan relocation and assistance policy scheme. you can apply to that from a third country. there is no requirement for these individuals to cross the channel on small boats and so, you know, the government is entirely right to see what is going on and do everything possible in its power. it's obviously a really difficult policy area because people have talked it and you've talked about it and you've talked about it and you've talked about it and you've talked about it a lot over the years. is the first years. this year is the first years. this year is the first year you've seen a 15% reduction in that. so, you know, measures are taking place having some are taking place and having some effect, but it's really, really difficult . and, you know, difficult. and, you know, i

think what people want to see from their government is, johnny, i'm afraid we're going to have to get to a break. >> but i do want to ask you one final question. in a word, johnny mercer will you be having the temperature rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news? on. gb news? >> hello there . very good >> hello there. very good morning to you. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office it's a bit of a mixed bag throughout today. whilst high pressure is just about close by in the atlantic, it's going more of a it's to going be more of a presence as we head monday presence as we head into monday . the meantime, we've still . in the meantime, we've still got systems watch out got a few systems to watch out for, front in for, particularly this front in the will be gradually the west will be gradually pushing into northern ireland later turning later today, turning quite cloudy drizzly and cloudy with some drizzly and light a bit a light patchy rain, a bit of a damp day here. elsewhere there is sunshine to be had, but is some sunshine to be had, but the showers that have started off the west gradually off in the west will gradually push eastwards as we push their way eastwards as we head day. head throughout the day. generally the generally persisting across the spine country. of spine of the country. some of those could be on the sharp side, maybe with isolated side, maybe with some isolated

thunderstorms. 22 c the climbing towards 22 c in the southeast. cloud across southeast. but that cloud across northern ireland really going to hold closer hold temperatures back closer to 15, 17 c here. and that rain will gradually push its way eastwards as we head into this evening. so a bit of a better end to the day for northern ireland, for scotland, parts ireland, but for scotland, parts of england wales, of western england and wales, it's turn it's going to start to turn cloudier with light and cloudier with some light and drizzly rain. generally clearer skies east, a bit of skies further east, a bit of mist and possible, but most mist and fog possible, but most places up around 12 c. places hotting up around 12 c. so start off monday morning. places hotting up around 12 c. so sta of )ff monday morning. places hotting up around 12 c. so sta of us monday morning. places hotting up around 12 c. so staof us luckyay morning. places hotting up around 12 c. so sta of us lucky enough ng. places hotting up around 12 c. so sta of us lucky enough to. for those of us lucky enough to have the bank holiday monday off, it should be a relatively fine overall, but there is fine day overall, but there is still going be this legacy of still going to be this legacy of the cloud that frontal the cloud from that frontal system, will be system, the rain will be petering way can't rule petering its way out, can't rule out showers, still out some showers, but still a bit cloud around sunnier bit of cloud around sunnier spells scotland, northern spells for scotland, northern ireland, wales, western ireland, parts of wales, western england temperatures

gb news. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show. as you might have noticed, i'm not camilla tominey. my name is tom harwood. i'm standing for in a final time this summer. now in just a minute, be speaking the minute, i'll be speaking to the defence chairman defence committee chairman tobias should uk be tobias ellwood. should the uk be giving to ukraine giving fighter jets to ukraine and is our army too small ? all and is our army too small? all that and so much more to come . that and so much more to come. stay tuned. the news with stay tuned. after the news with lisa hartle . at 10:00 i'm lisa

lisa hartle. at 10:00 i'm lisa hartle in the newsroom. >> nadine dorries says the prime minister has whipped up a public frenzy against her as she announced her resignation in a blistering attack. the former minister accused rishi sunak of demeaning his office by criticising her and said his actions had left 200 or more of her colleagues facing an electoral tsunami. a by—election will now take place in the usually safe tory seat of mid beds yorkshire. labour's shadow secretary for women and equalities, anneliese dodds, told gb news that nadine dorries makes some valid points. >> although i disagree with nadine dorries on many things, when she says that we currently have a zombie parliament and when she asks what rishi sunak stands for and what he has achieved, i think many people will will be saying they don't understand that either. and i think this is incredibly damaging when, as we know, our country's in the middle of a

cost of living crisis, we have a crisis in our nhs, crisis of crime on our streets, and yet we seem to have a zombie government that just can't get a grip on a breach in the met's police's it system. >> could cause incalculable damage in the wrong hands, according to the police federation, scotland yard says it's aware of unauthorised access to the it system of one of its suppliers. they're now working with the company to ascertain whether data may have been breached . the company had been breached. the company had access to names , ranks, photos, access to names, ranks, photos, vetting levels and pay numbers, but not personal details such as addresses whole life , whole life addresses whole life, whole life orders without parole could become the norm for dangerous

in northern australia . 23 in northern australia. 23 personnel were on board when the aircraft crashed during a routine exercise on the remote melville island off the coast of darwin. australian prime minister anthony albanese described the situation as tragic . a spokesperson for tragic. a spokesperson for donald trump claims he's raised nearly £4 million on friday, the single highest 24 hour period of the campaign to date. the former president save america fundraising committee is selling items via an online store using his indicted points to rally support among his base shirts, posters and stickers with mug shots on are available for sale, many of which include the phrase never surrender. donald trump is facing 13 counts related to his attempt to overturn the 2020 us election . this this is gb news election. this this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and on your

smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to tom harwood . thanks lisa tom harwood harwood. thanks lisa tom harwood here covering for camilla tominey now in just a moment, we're going to hear from the chair of the defence select committee, tobias ellwood . committee, tobias ellwood. >> after the supposed death of the wagner group's chief giovanni pernice ryan, i'll speak to vladimir putin's former number two in the kremlin, the former prime minister of russia , mikhail kasyanov. former prime minister of russia , mikhail kasyanov . and with , mikhail kasyanov. and with just two days to go before the ulez zone is extended to outer london, i'll get the thoughts of the reform party's candidate to be london mayor, howard cox . all be london mayor, howard cox. all that and bill clinton's former special counsel in the white house joins us to discuss. well you guessed it, that donald trump mugshot . but let's get to trump mugshot. but let's get to the big story of the week in

some respects , of course, it's some respects, of course, it's been rumbling on for quite some time. is prigozhin dead? let's get the views of tobias ellwood , chair of the defence select committee and the conservative mp for bournemouth east. tobias, thank you for making the time for us this morning. thank you for making the time for us this morning . before we for us this morning. before we get into the what's going on further afield , i do just want further afield, i do just want a quick reflection on your shared time in parliament with nadine dorries. will she be missed ? dorries. will she be missed? >> i thought you might begin with that question. it's been an undignified chapter, i'm afraid this you know what she's done has been self—serving. it's been distract putting to delay you know, her resignation in this way . i don't really want to way. i don't really want to spend a lot of air time on this. if i may. you know, the episode of colleagues is throwing their teddies in the corner in this case for simply not getting a peerage. you know, it has been messy. it's been embarrassing for both the parliament and

specifically to our party. so i'm pleased we're now able to move on. you know what ever you move on. you know whatever you do in parliament, whatever positions you take, must firstly be in the country's interests and then secondly, in the party's interests. and what she and others have done recently fails on on both accounts how you conduct yourself in moments of difficulty or disappointment actually exposes and delaying this resignation was designed , this resignation was designed, we know, to maximise harm to the prime minister. i'm pleased that this sort of selfish charade is now over. the party can now move forward and we pick up the pieces and we repair. we have a fantastic candidate now in festus akinbusoye and i believe we will retain the seat we were drawing a line on what's happenedin drawing a line on what's happened in the past. rishi sunak can consolidate and we're expecting a reshuffle soon. provide his stall for where we're going to take the country after a very difficult period over the last, you know, 5 to 10

years with covid and with ukraine absolutely affecting our economy. and we've not heard anything from labour. i have to say, they've just benefited from the fact that we've had these distractions on the front pages . let's now draw a line. let's now move on. let's win that by—election in bedfordshire you mentioned keir starmer. >> seems to have been a fairly lucky general in the last year or so with his opponents. i suppose one person who was a less lucky general was mr prigozhin, who may or may not have met a rather sticky end in the skies of moscow last week. what is your view , firstly, on what is your view, firstly, on whether or not mr prigozhin is alive or dead ? alive or dead? >> well, i have huge respect for the british intelligence services . they work very closely services. they work very closely with our american counterparts. the five eyes community as well. i'm sure behind the scenes they've been working carefully, listening, gchq putting all their thoughts together when they come out and say that that

is, they presumed that he's dead, then i think that's effective early. you know, that's good enough for me. the more important point is then what happens, you know, this cunous what happens, you know, this curious character and where this goes with president putin. he spent 23 years sort of consolidating his power base, popular from the start. don't forget, because he turned the russian economy around after the collapse of the soviet union, no one could touch him. but after that attempted mutiny in june, putin realised that the wagner group had to be brought down. don't forget, this is the group , his private army, and who and he placed prigozhin his former close friend in charge, to do his dirty work abroad, propping up dictators in africa, for example, stealing their gold in sudan, certainly to pay for these wars and the frustration with prigozhin and what was going on with the inept decision making in ukraine, you know, he turned his tanks on moscow . and turned his tanks on moscow. and this is the critical point at, you know, this private army charging toward moscow. and

there was no russian force able to stop him. only a deal in exile was able to allow this to actually, you know, to end . and actually, you know, to end. and gosling also took that southern city of rostov on don if you remember they cheered him in the streets. so putin is now in a very, very dangerous position. he's going to want to consolidate his base. but for me, this is the beginning of the end of president putin. me, this is the beginning of the encisf president putin. me, this is the beginning of the encis that, ident putin. me, this is the beginning of the encis that, inent putin. me, this is the beginning of the encis that, in yourjtin. me, this is the beginning of the encis that, in your view, why it >> is that, in your view, why it took months this took two months for this apparent assassination to take place? does this reveal that vladimir putin is perhaps less secure for sitting in his grand, palatial places of residence than he was perhaps a year ago ? than he was perhaps a year ago? >> yeah. no, he very much is weakened. this is the most challenging period in his 23 years in power. when you resort to eliminating dissenting voices on the scale in which he's doing. it's not just prigozhin. there's other generals as well, other big players, stakeholders in russia that have mostly been

thrown out of windows or fallen off balconies. when trust in the inner kremlin circle has disappeared, then you are . in disappeared, then you are. in seem to have a little communications error there. >> i believe we might be able to get tobias ellwood back very, very, very shortly. but it was fascinating what he was saying about how this assassination, far from being a show of strength vladimir putin, in strength from vladimir putin, in fact, reveals key, key weaknesses in the russian president's leadership and that this may well be the beginning of the end for vladimir putin. i suppose that asks two questions. one, what does that lead to ukraine? and number two, who might replace him? i believe we have tobias ellwood back with us now . and tobias, i do want to now. and tobias, i do want to dig deeper into this question of ukraine, because we've started to see other countries in europe offer fighter jets to that country . and. whereas, perhaps country. and. whereas, perhaps under the leadership of boris johnson, the united kingdom was

on the front foot in supporting ukraine. it does see, when it comes to the supply of jets , comes to the supply of jets, that the united kingdom is actually behind and countries like the netherlands and some of the scandinavian countries , i the scandinavian countries, i understand that argument . understand that argument. >> i don't fully agree with it simply because you have to send in the right military equipment . what makes sense for the ukrainians to use when they have such a mixture, if you like, of kit coming their way? it all comes with procurement and supply chain lines and so forth. the different types of training. so we need to consolidate around single platforms which the ukrainian fighter pilots , migs ukrainian fighter pilots, migs and socos can easily jump into and socos can easily jump into and fly. the f—16 is the clear favourite that's what they want. and just as like the leopard tank is the key one. now we gave our challenger tanks, but that was political. that was a bold move by the conservative party, you know, by rishi sunak. and then it encouraged other countries to step forward. our

leadership here has been quite phenomenal. i have to say. everybody's very risk everybody's been very risk averse beginning. do you averse at the beginning. do you remember offensive remember defensive offensive weapons systems debates and so forth? sent in nlaws . we sent forth? we sent in nlaws. we sent in, you know, storm shadow missiles. we're them on missiles. we're training them on salisbury . and then salisbury plain. and then those tanks came in as well. we've done a lot to move this forward. it is for other nations to recognise that it's the f—16 thatis recognise that it's the f—16 that is now required. this gives the top cover to the tanks when they do those offensive moves to try and break through russian lines . lines. >> what you say to those who >> what do you say to those who say that the united kingdom seems to be taking a step back when it comes to a leadership role international affairs role in international affairs that sunak is not the same that rishi sunak is not the same sort of global statesman, perhaps in one form or other that boris johnson was, that he's perhaps less interested in foreign affairs . foreign affairs. >> no, i think it's the other way around. i'm afraid. we thought we saw in the last few years britain retreating from the international stage. you know , whatever your views are on know, whatever your views are on brexit, whether that was

interpreted across the world was us looking inwards, not looking outwards. and that's unnatural. that's in our dna. that's what britain does. we normally step forward as a nation when others hesitate. we an hesitate. we have an understanding of it does seem that we're having a little bit of a trouble with this line, but that, of course, was tobias ellwood, the chairman of the defence select committee. >> fascinating, though, his view that brexit, it was seen to be something that had the united kingdom stepping back . i think kingdom stepping back. i think there's another strong argument in in fact the in that line that in fact the withdrawal from the european union made the united kingdom perhaps more willing to step up in other ways , that it made the in other ways, that it made the united kingdom, perhaps more willing to lead that international coalition on with regard to defending ukraine. when russia invaded last february . but when russia invaded last february. but let's when russia invaded last february . but let's move when russia invaded last february. but let's move on when russia invaded last february . but let's move on now, february. but let's move on now, because, of course, it's not just foreign affairs, but also rather more parochial ones that have hit the papers this morning. of course, the ulez zone in the coming week will be

extended to outer london. and i'm delighted to be joined by one man who has been resolute in his opposition to this. howard cox is the reform party's candidate for the mayor of london. and howard, thank you for joining us this morning on forjoining us this morning on the program. first of all, whilst viewers of gb news and quite a few people across the country will know who you are, know the campaigns that you have run to, people who don't know you, who are you and why are you running to be mayor of london? >> very good question, >> it's a very good question, tom. and sometimes i don't know what answer that on a what i can't answer that on a serious note, though, what's happened million happened is i've got 1.7 million supporters campaign called supporters in a campaign called fairfield, uk, which you're fully . and we managed fully aware of. and we managed to fuel duty frozen 13 to get fuel duty frozen for 13 years. in fact , it actually went years. in fact, it actually went down £0.06 in that time. so i'm quite proud otherwise, quite proud of that. otherwise, drivers will be paying something like more at the pumps like £0.80 more at the pumps for diesel petrol. i feel as diesel and petrol. so i feel as though i've actually been quite successful worked very successful and i've worked very closely right across , closely with mps right across, including people like robert

halfon was mr fairfield, halfon mp who was mr fairfield, uk in parliament and, and what's really happened in the last year is with the this ulez is that with the this ulez stalag tax, as i call it, people have approached me and said simply this will you stand against this man and i said, no 2 or 3 times, but i was approached by richard tice of the reform party and he convinced me and i have to say to you, for 50 years of my life, i'm 68 years of age. 50 years. i voted tory, but i'm afraid i'm not voting tory this time because moved away and because they've moved away and they've drivers be. they've allowed drivers to be. there's many driver there's so many anti driver policies led by sadiq khan in london. absolutely, demonstrably unfairly. what's the difference between you and the conservative candidate in this mayoral election? >> susan hall? she's been on this programme. she's been under the same sort of scrutiny that you now . why should someone you are now. why should someone vote for you rather than her if they're anti ulez? doesn't that split the vote ? split the vote? >> yes, it probably will split the vote and i'd happy to the vote and i'd be happy to offer susan hall deputy

mayorship. it's no problem with that whatsoever. but seriously, the important thing is, is i will be getting rid of all ulez, not just the extension , the ulez not just the extension, the ulez which goes to the north and south circular the central south circular and the central ulez . if it's done its job, we ulez. if it's done its job, we don't it any more. london don't need it any more. london emissions have rocketed downwards and we've got to recognise that there's no point in hitting people more in the pocket. and that's what this, this government is doing. and also what sadiq khan is doing and hall's only to and susan hall's only going to be stopping, as we be stopping, in fact, as we stand today. before you ulez coming extension, coming out on tuesday , susan going to leave tuesday, susan is going to leave things i'm going get things alone. i'm going to get rid of traffic networks, 20 rid of low traffic networks, 20 mile an hour zones, all those sorts of things. i'm sorry to say, cyclists listening sorts of things. i'm sorry to sa'this. cyclists listening sorts of things. i'm sorry to sa'this. cycgoing listening sorts of things. i'm sorry to sa'this. cycgoing tolistening sorts of things. i'm sorry to sa'this. cycgoing to get ning sorts of things. i'm sorry to sa'this. cycgoing to get ridg sorts of things. i'm sorry to sa'this. cycgoing to get rid of to this. i'm going to get rid of some of the excessively huge cycle lanes, too. >> to get rid of >> you're going to get rid of some lanes. you to some cycle lanes. are you to going build any new cycle going not build any new cycle lanes? this to become lanes? is this going to become a car centric city? >> it's going to be what we need to do is to get this city, as we say, motoring, but moving again. one the problems have,

one of the problems we have, we've congestion we've got huge congestion cycling want to encourage cycling is i want to encourage i've no with that i've got no problem with that about i think it's about that. but i think it's gone over the top. there's too much pushing towards cycling and away the motorists and away from the motorists and particularly commercial particularly the commercial aspect of the driving. you know, white know, we got white van men, you know, we got the traders, they're the sole traders, they're being hit this situation . hit hardest in this situation. and drivers, they are and hgv drivers, they are being penalised. we to penalised. and what we need to do have some way of do is have some way of incentivising clean fuel technology so that everyone will benefit. >> now, all our people's panel a little bit earlier in the programme, you might have seen that linda, one of members that linda, one of the members of had been looking at of the panel had been looking at your policy prospectus . her your policy prospectus. her daughter lives in london and she was thinking not just of course about but about the safety about ulez, but about the safety issues in our capital city. how would you make london safer ? would you make london safer? >> yes, i want people to be aware i'm not a one trick pony. it's not just for motorists, etcetera. agree more. etcetera. i couldn't agree more. i daughter who's 31 years i have a daughter who's 31 years of age, lives in london, too. and she she's subjected to the same problems time. same problems any one time. there's bobbies on the there's only bobbies on the beat. there's only about 5% to

10% are actually walking the streets of london. that's 90% that aren't. and yet we've got bobbies that many amount of bobbies. i'm going triple bobbies. now i'm going to triple the bobbies, which the number of bobbies, which essentially the number of bobbies, which ess howlly the number of bobbies, which ess how would fund that? >> how would you fund that? >> how would you fund that? >> well, that's a good question. and but one of things is, and but one of the things is, obviously, got to at obviously, i've got to look at what black deficit i'm what the black hole deficit i'm to inherit it's to going inherit from. it's huge. got £20 billion huge. she's got a £20 billion budget, single budget, but every single policeman to is saying to policeman i talk to is saying to you, you've only got to get us away from behind desk. and away from behind the desk. and we it's not going to we come out. it's not going to be huge expenditure, but one be a huge expenditure, but one of the bigger initiatives that i'm suggesting we need i'm suggesting is that we need to the safety aspect to help with the safety aspect of create public of this is to create public police access points in 24 hour outlets like supermarkets , outlets like supermarkets, mcdonald's and places like that, which will be booths where policemen are manned. and hopefully convince tesco's hopefully i can convince tesco's and like that to actually and people like that to actually fund good for fund it because it's good for them it's going to stop them because it's going to stop shoplifting but be places for people feel safer and people to go to feel safer and hopefully deter a crooks. but the other thing which is very interesting indeed, 5g broadband is very bad in greater london.

so people we need to get that really up and running really much more effective because then someone pressing their phone can get to the police and get to help quickly as well. it's those sorts of things. i'm looking at some people listening might think you're a very effective campaigner higher taxation. >> campaigned >> you've campaigned very successfully keeping fuel successfully about keeping fuel duty but and here ulez duty down, but and here ulez many people would describe it as a sort of stealth tax or perhaps less stealthy of a tax, a revenue raising mechanism anyway. and if you're getting rid of revenue raising mechanisms but want to expand the size of the police force and want to spend money on getting 56 to want to spend money on getting 5g to more areas , how do you 5g to more areas, how do you raise the money? >> well, you just said something about expand the police force. no, i'm talking about getting those people stuck behind the desks. know, monitoring those people stuck behind the desks. and know, monitoring those people stuck behind the desks. and things�*nonitoring those people stuck behind the desks. and things like toring those people stuck behind the desks. and things like that,| tweets and things like that, instead going out walking the streets, making people feel, hey, can walk hey, i feel safe. i can walk down street so there is down the street so there is the money, revenue raising is an important to ask . but important question to ask. but what we should be redeploying

police. >> i want to get on to the notting carnival, of notting hill carnival, of course, this weekend. course, happening this weekend. your opponent your conservative opponent has said that the notting hill carnival police officers dread it. it's unsafe. it perhaps should be moved . what's your should be moved. what's your thoughts on that? >> i have to say, i'm not >> well, i have to say, i'm not trying to avoid the answering that question. i no that question. i have no feelings really about that. i mean, a carnival, which is mean, it's a carnival, which is ever i've around on ever since i've been around on this has been there, it's this planet has been there, it's been the time it's been and most of the time it's been and most of the time it's been successful. it is been very successful. it is sometimes overtaken by some bad people that it worse. and people that make it worse. and there's that happen, but there's things that happen, but i'm like susan hall that i'm not like susan hall that i think, the police think, you know, the police dread they're doing their dread it. they're doing their job. >> interestingly, ken livingstone suggested livingstone once suggested that moving so moving that carnival as well. so perhaps perhaps there's some greater , i don't know, party greater, i don't know, party intraparty connections there. but i do want to move on to something that we've done with all of the mayoral candidates who've been on this show. you might have been expecting it. our no no our quickfire, yes. no no questions. so please try to answer in just yes or no . so answer in just yes or no. so we'll start with more stop and

search by the police. yes should the two child cap on benefits be lifted? no should the uk leave the echr? yes should we bring back the death penalty ? no. back the death penalty? no. should the circle line be a circle ? circle? >> that's what a question, tom. >> that's what a question, tom. >> all the ones to stump you. i didn't think it would be that one. >> no. yes >> no. yes >> yes. is the climate change agenda a hoax? yes is net zero. should that be happening ? no. is should that be happening? no. is climate change itself a hoax? no >> climate change is not a hoax. i can't say yes or no to that because i don't think what my point in this is. i don't think it's a crisis. but we do need to actually involve ourselves and actually involve ourselves and actually helping terms of actually helping in terms of setting anti—pollution setting up anti—pollution measures. don't blame the measures. but don't blame the motorists. >> em- motorists. >> i'm going w— motorists. >> i'm going to you >> every time i'm going to you a fail for yes or no on that question. should abortion laws be liberal the united be less liberal in the united kingdom ? yes should the state

kingdom? yes should the state provide universal free school meals for every child? no do you support gay marriage ? yes. are support gay marriage? yes. are vigilantes right to attack ulez cameras? no was boris johnson a good mayor of london? yes as was bofis good mayor of london? yes as was boris johnson, a good prime minister no. and was the last united states presidential election legitimate ? no would election legitimate? no would donald trump make a good president again ? president again? >> thanks, tom, for that one. can i get a can i sit on the fence on that one? >> you can sit on the fence on that. and is joe biden a legitimate us president based on the previous answer? >> i don't think he is, no . >> i don't think he is, no. >> i don't think he is, no. >> and finally, should the top rate of tax 45% be abolished? yes howard cox, you have been admirably candid on many of those questions. thank you so much for joining those questions. thank you so much forjoining us here on gb news. and of course, we will be trying to submit all of the challenges to the london

mayoralty to the same sort of process . thank you very much for process. thank you very much for your time. cox let's get the views now of our people's panel back in wolverhampton. what have they made of the interviews so far? jack carson is there for us.jack far? jack carson is there for us. jack what do people feel like their questions have been answered ? answered? >> well, welcome back to wolverhampton . welcome back to wolverhampton. welcome back to the madison bakery here. we've got our people's panel, linda, pete and william with us. linda let's start with you, because, of your was of course, your question was for howard we've just heard him howard cox. we've just heard him there. what make of his there. what did you make of his comments? because you were particularly concerned about the safety of your daughter in london. weren't you? >> i've got to say, i really agreed everything agreed with everything that he was i'm much of was saying. i'm very much of a generation grew up in that. generation that grew up in that. if you had problem, you asked if you had a problem, you asked a policeman were on a policeman because they were on the beat. and that was one of the beat. and that was one of the things he was quite clear on, would be bringing on, that he would be bringing the outside the police the police outside of the police station putting them back on station and putting them back on the and makes you the beat. and that makes you feel secure when see feel more secure when you see them about. at the them out and about. at the moment, very rarely actually moment, you very rarely actually see out and so

see policemen out and about. so i had an excellent i think he had an excellent point with that. do you point with that. what do you make the that said make about the idea that he said about having these these about kind of having these these areas where there would be a policeman man, people could policeman man, that people could go help and support when go to for help and support when they go to for help and support when the what do you make of that idea >> what do you make of that idea to kind these separate to have kind of these separate areas like a mcdonald's, like you 24 hours for people to you said, 24 hours for people to go they felt unsafe? go to if they felt unsafe? >> i think that's a good idea as well, because there'll be many people out, necessarily just people out, not necessarily just women, that sometimes feel i mean, of young men mean, you hear of young men having, you having fights having, you know, having fights and somewhere where and problems somewhere where they get to is they can easily get to that is well lot of these well lit. and a lot of these places 24 hours in london. places are 24 hours in london. and that's a good any kind and then that's a good any kind of a good idea . of safety zone is a good idea. >> all right. fantastic. pete, of course , we had johnny mercer of course, we had johnny mercer on. he was talking, answering your question really about whether this felt like a zombie government referring to, of course, nadine dorries comments in her resignation letter. do you feel like he answered your question ? question? >> no. as expected, just more rhetoric that's sitting back . i rhetoric that's sitting back. i almost have given up the ghost

now. i think the five pledges are out. the window if they want to do something, do something . to do something, do something. if they want to stop the small boats , stop the small boats , boats, stop the small boats, let's see some action from the government instead of just rhetoric. all the time. >> so would action be the thing that would instil more confidence as a prime minister as rishi sunak as prime minister? >> absolutely . he's been >> absolutely. he's been in office almost 12 months. the tory government have been in office for 13 years and we want to see them actually doing something. i used to vote labour . i actually voted for this current conservative government. i want them to do what we as the people want them to do , people want them to do, represent us. >> william, of course, your question was, was was about immigration. do you feel more confident that the government is taking this seriously? how do you feel about about your concerns on that issue? >> so i've no, no, no confidence

whatsoever. empty words , empty whatsoever. empty words, empty promises. so i don't know what's going to happen . so i just don't going to happen. so i just don't know what they're going to do about it. >> of course, johnny mercer was was picking up, particularly on the afghan resettlement scheme and saying that they don't have to the channel. can to cross the channel. they can apply that in a third apply for that in a third country. do you feel like that was much an answer to your was much of an answer to your question stop the question of to how stop the incentive people coming incentive of people coming across the channel to a certain extent, yes . extent, yes. >> but what my question would have been would be couldn't they settle in the first safe country they entered? what and travelling through various countries to france to come over to the uk ? to the uk? >> okay. that's very much a view that i think a lot of people would take as well. and just quickly , pete, howard cox was quickly, pete, howard cox was talking there about about having a more kind of pro driver policy within london. do you think that's actually a policy that

needs to be adopted country wide as well? needs to be adopted country wide as 'absolutely. was the >> absolutely. howard was the only person on there who actually spoke sense today. he only person on there who actusomepoke sense today. he only person on there who actusome real sense today. he only person on there who actusome real policies,day. he only person on there who actusome real policies, some e had some real policies, some real ideas. and hopefully as mayor of london, if he does beat khan to the finish line, you'll see some changes. >> i mean, you worry that >> i mean, do you worry that that wolverhampton be next that wolverhampton could be next for clean air zone? i think for a clean air zone? i think it's almost inevitable this is going to be pushed out as saving the planet. >> it's not only about pollution, it's about keeping our carbon footprint down, which i understand . and but again, as i understand. and but again, as howard was saying, there's a lot of talk about safe leaving the planet. we're making very little impact. this is nature . the impact. this is nature. the temperature changes. it's weather . temperature changes. it's weather. yeah. >> thank you so much to all of our panel, linda, pete and william, for joining our panel, linda, pete and william, forjoining us here from wolverhampton today. lots of lots of good points there. made our panellists and made by our panellists and i think howard cox has probably come from guests come out better from the guests today. well jack, thank you so much for bringing us that from wolverhampton and of course, if you want to join the gb news

people's for the camilla people's panel for the camilla tominey show, you can go to gbnews.com slash panel. gb news.com slash panel. >> always gbnews.com slash panel. >> always travelling gbnews.com slash panel. >> the lways travelling gbnews.com slash panel. >> the countryavelling gbnews.com slash panel. >> the country every|g gbnews.com slash panel. >> the country every single around the country every single weekend. now don't go anywhere. in just a moment i'll be discussing that donald trump mugshot and indeed the wider presidential race with a man who has dealt with his fair share of presidential scandal. lanny davis was the attorney who served as bill clinton's special counsel in the white house. he's also represented michael cohen , also represented michael cohen, trump's former attorney. he'll be a fascinating interview. don't go anywhere . don't go anywhere. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. and greg dewhurst . and welcome to your dewhurst. and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast through the rest of sunday. we've got a mixture of scattered showers, some outbreaks of rain, but there will be a few brighter breaks in places. and looking at the bigger picture, high pressure sits to the southwest of of a cool

of us, a bit of a cool northwesterly flow, bringing in showers and outbreaks of rain over the next couple of days for sunday quite a lot of sunday afternoon. quite a lot of cloud out there. the best of any brighter, sunnier spells will be across eastern areas. however, this will help trigger this will then help trigger a few showers . so do watch few heavy showers. so do watch out central areas, out for these central areas, generally dry , though, generally quite dry, though, rather cloudy. and then across the far west, we'll see patchy rain pushing in from the atlantic . temperatures on the atlantic. temperatures on the cool side , generally the high cool side, generally the high teens to low 20s with generally a light northwesterly breeze into the evening time. this band of continues to of patchy rain just continues to slowly push eastwards as we end the day and into the early hours of monday morning, the day and into the early hours of monday morning ,1 the day and into the early hours of monday morning , 1 or 2 sharp of monday morning, 1 or 2 sharp showers developing on it as it breaks up and then clearer spells following on behind temperatures on the fresh side, low figures in towns and low double figures in towns and cities, figures in the cities, single figures in the countryside. but it means a brighter start monday brighter start to monday morning. spells, morning. some sunny spells, a few showers. initially but then a fairly bright day to come. plenty of sunny spells across england and wales, a little cloudier for northern ireland

and scotland. showers here and scotland. a few showers here and scotland. a few showers here and a few of these then filtering in across england and wales as the cloud bubbles up into afternoon bit more into the afternoon a bit more sunshine temperatures sunshine around temperatures lifting into the lifting a little higher into the low 20. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers >> proud sponsors of weather on

patrick christys on gb news. i'm gb news radio . welcome

gb news radio. welcome back to the camilla tominey show. >> my name is tom harwood and we're not just talking about what's going on in the united kingdom today, but also overseas because this is something that will have implications for the wider world to the machinations in united states politics. and indeed, the latest indictment and mugshot of former president donald trump. let's speak now to lanny davis, the former special counsel to president bill clinton , and the lawyer clinton, and the lawyer representing donald trump's former lawyer, michael cohen . in former lawyer, michael cohen. in the stormy daniels case. lanny, thank you so much for making the time for us this morning. rather, earlier for you in new york. so thank you for getting up for us. i suppose, first of all, you, of course, represented bill clinton in a number of sticky situations when he was president. how does donald trump's trials and tribulations compare to some of the legal

difficulties of bill clinton ? so difficulties of bill clinton? so there's obviously some dispute about this statement, but bill clinton faced a political situation involving a relationship with a young woman. >> there was never anything illegal. he was accused of committing perjury. so that was an illegal charge. but he actually told the truth. and he testified before the grand jury. unlike donald trump, who refused grand jury is set up as a jury to determine whether someone should be indicted . he not only should be indicted. he not only agreed to testify , he testified agreed to testify, he testified on national and international live television and told the truth about the relationship, which , of course, was very which, of course, was very embarrassing for him and his family. so it wasn't a legal issue. it was a political issue . this is a legal issue. four separate grand juries picked from citizenry similar to great britain's system voted after heanng britain's system voted after hearing evidence ice for indictments , meaning probable indictments, meaning probable cause that crimes have been committed. so there vastly

different situations . different situations. >> now, of course, you're involved in the stormy daniels case in new york, so perhaps we won't go into the details there. but why is it that some people say that the georgia indictment is the most politically dangerous for donald trump ? dangerous for donald trump? >> well, the georgia indictment is a brilliant use of a statute passed many years ago to capture and convict organised crime families where you couldn't get individuals because they were all sworn to silence . but you all sworn to silence. but you could allege an enterprise, a conspiracy, and using that device called a rico racketeer influenced corrupt organisation act, the organised crime families in new york were convicted by none other than rudy giuliani , who is now being rudy giuliani, who is now being indicted. it's kind of ironic. so that's the criminal statute that the georgia prosecutor has utilised . and just to remind utilised. and just to remind your british viewers , as donald

your british viewers, as donald trump claims to be running for president so he can get elected and pardon himself. so even if he's convicted , he can pardon he's convicted, he can pardon himself and he will never have to suffer. that doesn't apply in the states because we have state governments different from the federal government . he can't federal government. he can't pardon himself from a conviction of a state crime in georgia or the one that i'm involved in in new york. if he's convicted of either of those jurisdictions crimes, he cannot pardon himself if and after he's president, if he's elected, god forbid. from my perspective, he will go to prison or at least will be convicted if the jury determines that, because he cannot pardon himself, it is fascinating to see that as these indictments have sort of piled up, as the charges have piled up against donald trump. >> indeed , as his mugshot has >> indeed, as his mugshot has been taken at a county jail , all been taken at a county jail, all as this has happened amongst republicans is donald trump's favorability seems to have risen

his poll ratings amongst republicans seem to have risen . republicans seem to have risen. clearly, there is a large proportion of voters in the united states who believe this is nothing more than a political prosecution . prosecution. >> well, first, let's do the math and you'll decide whether the word large is inaccurate . the word large is inaccurate. word in the united states, if you ask any sample of the population about 30% of the population about 30% of the population of america will say they're republicans . about 30% they're republicans. about 30% will say they're democrats. interesting only they're about equal. interesting only they're about equal . and the rest, about 40, equal. and the rest, about 40, call themselves independents. they're the swing voters that really determine the general election for president . so if election for president. so if you take the 30% that identify themselves as republicans, then polls will show 90% will stay with trump no matter what. now, do the math. 90 times 30 is 27% of america. and that leaves 63%

not voting for trump. so the large is only large as part of a minority. and you have the same issue in great britain, where you have parties and percentages , but they don't represent the general electorate who votes for members of parliament. so that's really the difference in america. two, he still is got a ceiling and he's not likely to capture those swing voters, those independent votes if he's indicted . and he does what he indicted. and he does what he does, which is to play with the truth. and that mugshot is not exactly a mugshot that will win swing voters. it will win that 27% hard republican base , but 27% hard republican base, but not much beyond that . not much beyond that. >> but why is it that that's 27% that those who identify high with the republican party who have registered as republicans ? have registered as republicans? ions why is it that they are so convinced that this is a political persecution , that political persecution, that these are political decisions

that perhaps particularly the most notably in new york, this is dredging stuff up from the past to go after a political opponent in their view. so forgive my disclosed bias. >> i'm the lawyer for michael cohen, who worked for donald trump for ten years. he went to prison pleading to what you just and i'm not criticising you, you're reflecting american journalism , described as journalism, described as a political prosecution involving a star. so it's about sex and it's really not serious. let's remember that the federal prosecutor was working for donald trump in new york. federal prosecutors of the federal government, the federal justice department under donald trump prosecuted michael cohen for exactly the same crime of paying for exactly the same crime of paying someone to stay silent. so the american people didn't know about the affair. they called that crime a serious danger to democracy . and they danger to democracy. and they sent mr cohen to prison . now, sent mr cohen to prison. now, trump didn't say that was a political prosecution . cohen was

political prosecution. cohen was targeted. the only person prosecuted in this whole organisation. and the federal prosecutors working for donald trump. this is a fact in writing, in public, said donald trump directed michael cohen to do that crime. so how can it be political for donald trump when he directs? michael cohen and he goes to prison for the crime where it's not political? if you say, mr trump, you directed somebody to do a crime before you were president, we're going to prosecute you . to prosecute you. >> i suppose some might say that by extension, going after michael cohen was also a political move. but of course, this is all he pled guilty excuse me for interrupting, but he wouldn't even michael cohen wouldn't agree with you. >> he pled guilty because it was a crime. it wasn't political . he a crime. it wasn't political. he paid money to keep somebody quiet, to influence an election . there is a statute in america that says if you do that , if you that says if you do that, if you pay that says if you do that, if you pay someone to stay silent , to pay someone to stay silent, to influence an election, that's a

crime. michael cohen pled guilty . there's nothing political about it. he violated the law and he pled guilty . the really and he pled guilty. the really ironic question is that if donald trump, according to his own prosecutors, let me repeat, these are prosecutors working for trump during the trump administration, indicted and forced michael cohen to plead guilty if he was directed to do that crime by mr trump . there's that crime by mr trump. there's nothing political about mr trump being held accountable. that's what the new york case is about now. >> it's a it's a fascinating situation where you have almost two different parallel narratives living in the united states. do you think that donald trump could actually end up behind bars , could actually be behind bars, could actually be in a prison at the end of this process ? process? >> so let me just answer. i know we're running out of time. first of all, thank you for inviting me. i'm an anglophile. i wrote my thesis about winston churchill being right on gallipoli. you who are gallipoli. those of you who are historians will know that most people view. people disagree with that view. but great fan of the uk

but i'm a great fan of the uk and i say hello to all my friends . so first of all, i am friends. so first of all, i am not in favour of a former president being put behind bars . i am strongly critical of donald trump, but i believe it's very important in great britain and our system is modelled and denved and our system is modelled and derived from common law in the uk . every person should be held uk. every person should be held to the same standard, whether you're, as we say over here, no man is above the law . you're, as we say over here, no man is above the law. but we mean no person because no woman is above the law. so the principle that he should be held accountable for violating the same crime that michael cohen committed when he deletes tape of national security information, our nuclear program he had and took with him. and he didn't hold it in security. and then he deleted the tapes showing that that's a crime. at least he needs to be tried and held to the same standard. so the principle is no man is above the principle is no man is above the law. no woman is above the

law. but i'm not in favour of putting him in jail. i'm in favour of the principle that we're all the same. whether you are a former president or citizen. >> that's a fascinating distinction . not to go in distinction. not to go in prison, presumably some form of house arrest. you'd favour there. but but a really interesting point to raise there. someone so implacably opposed to trump not thinking he should actually end up behind bars. thank you for sharing your thoughts . and i hope that well, thoughts. and i hope that well, at least i've done my best to put across challenging points at least i've done my best to put .the ss challenging points at least i've done my best to put .the republicans|g points at least i've done my best to put .the republicans inpoints at least i've done my best to put .the republicans in the ts that the republicans in the united saying and united states are saying and i hope that we've got both sides of the story there. >> thank you very much for inviting me, and good morning to all my friends in the uk. >> lanny, it's been a pleasure. >> lanny, it's been a pleasure. >> well, coming up on the show, i'll be speaking to a man who knows vladimir better than knows vladimir putin better than most former number most people. his former number two the kremlin and the two in the kremlin and the former russia, former prime minister of russia, mikhail kasyanov. former prime minister of russia, mikhail kasyanov . don't go

through until 7:00 this evening. gb news is the people's. through until 7:00 this evening. gb news is the people's . channel gb news is the people's. channel >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show. my name is tom harwood and in many ways, we've been saving the best for last today , of course, we've been today, of course, we've been talking a lot about international affairs. that's what we tend to do over the summer when it comes to the british political process. but i am really delighted to say that we can offer a heavyweight of world affairs today . mikhail world affairs today. mikhail kasyanov is the former prime minister of russia . he served

minister of russia. he served from . the year 2000 to 2004. from. the year 2000 to 2004. mikhail, thank you so much for joining us this morning. good. first of all, i know that you are someone who knew vladimir putin well. you have obviously not been aligned with vladimir putin for many, many years. do you fear for your own life ? you fear for your own life? >> oh, that is the question. absolutely easy to answer. for many years . i feel fear. absolutely easy to answer. for many years . i feel fear . and many years. i feel fear. and just last year when putin started this criminal war against ukraine, my criticism appeared to be as a criminal case. and that's why i had to escape as many, many of my collaborators and as many other russians who are not supporting mr putin, who condemned just this putin's so—called special operation. but it's full scale war against sovereign country. of course, we all have this fear

i >> -- >> when 5mm >> when was the last time you stepped foot in russia last? >> as i as i mentioned, i left russia last march after the beginning of the of the war, full scale war against ukraine. and i am living just outside russia for this year and a half i >> -- >> it is fascinating because as there are very few comparisons that one could draw between you and prigozhin and i wouldn't dream of saying that you're anything like prigozhin apart from perhaps in one respect, but that vladimir putin does not like you and he did not like prigozhin. why would prigozhin have taken a flight over the territory of russia when clearly any neutral observer would think he was a man that putin wanted dead. >> there is a huge difference

and there is no comparison. huge difference between me. precaution. it's strange that you compare this then it's not comparable at all. i was , of comparable at all. i was, of course, in different views and that's why just we didn't walk with putin long. only just the first four years. and the our vision of the future appeared to be different. i walked for my country to build up a democratic state as a european, as a european part with the same values putin has appeared to be wanted to bring russia back to soviet union . and just what he soviet union. and just what he is doing right now, just creating the same fear among all in the world. so that's the respect russia only because of its existence , because of the its existence, because of the russia can create danger. prigozhin is close confidant of mr putin forever . and he is mr putin forever. and he is mutiny was not against putin. he not to change putin. it was against he wanted to press putin

so that putin press officials to provide prigozhin with money, with the arms and just with the legal status till now , wagner legal status till now, wagner group is not legal in russia. in russia, there is no piece of legislation which could legalise such organisations like wagner group that's why prigozhin always was a criminal and continue to be a criminal till the end. and he is, i would say, pressure on putin was not forgivable by putin. that was clear for me since the first day of this mutiny that prigozhin will not live long. i didn't expect, of course, that he will be killed in such a demonstrative way as putin did, but it definitely that was inevitable . inevitable. >> and does vladimir putin seem weaker now ? and if that is the weaker now? and if that is the case, yes. is it more likely that russia will go down a more

authoritarian path or is there a chance that your vision of russia, a more liberal and more democratic , a more open society, democratic, a more open society, is that a possibility for russia ? >> 7- >> uh, it is 7— >> uh, it is a ? >> uh, it is a possibility to see russia in my vision as democratic and prosperous country , but not now coming back country, but not now coming back to your first part of your question after this. prigozhin mutiny. putin putin is weaker and he looks and he is being seen as weaker. and putin understood this. that's why he tries he tries to somehow to aggravate just some kind of support in the regions he travelling. although before he didn't travel, travelling to the regions , hugging people and regions, hugging people and trying to be nice and just to demonstrate for the whole for the whole country that he is supported . and right now, of supported. and right now, of course , of course the people in course, of course the people in the so—called ruling elite , they the so—called ruling elite, they leave an atmosphere of total fear because just this

demonstrative killing of prigozhin, that is a signal to all of them if they will try to escape the putin will do same with them , either using novichok with them, either using novichok or simple killing or just or simple killing orjust aircraft , tragedy, whatever aircraft, tragedy, whatever thing methods that could be chosen, it doesn't matter much, but but that putin believes that it is strengthening his his rule. but i see he creating risks for his system. and in fact, we all waiting success of ukrainian counter offensive operation . although right now operation. although right now there is no i would say the great success. but sooner or later that will happen. and sooner or later, ukrainian army would achieve the decisive advantage on the battlefield. and in this case, putin will be weaker much quicker and deeper. well, but mikhail kasyanov, i'm going to have to leave it there.

>> thank you so much for talking to us this morning. but i'm afraid that leads us to the end of the program. my name is bin tom harwood and this is the camilla tominey show >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers , proud up. boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on gb news is . hello sponsors of weather on gb news is. hello there and greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast through the rest of sunday. >> we've got a mixture of scattered showers. some outbreaks of rain, but there will be a few brighter breaks in places. and looking at the bigger picture, high pressure sits the southwest of us , a sits to the southwest of us, a bit of a cool north westerly flow, bringing and flow, bringing in showers and outbreaks of over the next flow, bringing in showers and outbreeof of over the next flow, bringing in showers and outbreeof days over the next flow, bringing in showers and outbreeof days foryver the next flow, bringing in showers and outbreeof days for sunday next couple of days for sunday afternoon. quite a lot of cloud out there. the best of any brighter, sunnier spells will be across eastern areas. however, this will then help trigger a few showers. so do watch few heavy showers. so do watch out central areas . out for these central areas. generally quite dry, though rather cloudy. and then across the far west , rather cloudy. and then across the far west, we'll rather cloudy. and then across the far west , we'll see patchy the far west, we'll see patchy rain pushing in from the atlantic. temperatures on the

cool side, generally the high teens to low 20s with generally a light northwesterly breeze into the evening time. this band of patchy rain just continues to slowly eastwards as we end slowly push eastwards as we end the day and into the early hours of monday morning, 1 or sharp of monday morning, 1 or 2 sharp showers developing on it as it breaks up and then clearer spells following on behind temperatures on the fresh side, low double figures in and low double figures in towns and cities, figures in the cities, single figures in the countryside. it means a countryside. but it means a brighter start to monday morning. some sunny spells, a few showers. initially but then a fairly bright day to come. plenty of sunny spells across england and wales, a little cloudier for northern ireland and scotland. showers here and scotland. a few showers here and scotland. a few showers here and a few of these then filtering in across england and wales bubbles up wales as the cloud bubbles up into afternoon, bit more into the afternoon, a bit more

gb news. well in fact, good morning and welcome to sunday with arlene foster. >> please join me for two hours of arts culture, politics and ethical debate . completing your ethical debate. completing your morning and inaugurating your afternoon to begin this hour, we'll be discussing nadine dorries resignation and what this will mean for rishi sunak as he attempts to reshuffle his cabinet. the expansion of sadiq khan's ultra low emission zone is fast approaching , with only is fast approaching, with only two days to go until the cameras switch on and £12.50