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resigns . the conservative mp and resigns. the conservative mp and former minister has now resigned and accused the prime minister of endangering her safety by whipping up a public frenzy . is whipping up a public frenzy. is this yet another nail on the conservative party coffin? and rishi sunak leadership? next up , the backlog of asylum claims in the uk has hit guess what? a record high. the conservative party pledged to bring overall immigration numbers down in its 2019 manifesto. the home office data also revealed there has been a rapid rise in people arriving on work and study visas . and please do get in touch. send all your thoughts to the usual way. gb news at gbnews.com or of course send us a message on our socials. we're at gb news. but first is your news headunes news. but first is your news headlines with the wonderful lisa hartle . lisa hartle. >> good afternoon . it's 1:01. >> good afternoon. it's 1:01. i'm lisa hartle in the gb newsroom. nadine dorries has accused rishi sunak of whipping up a public frenzy against her

and says he doesn't have the x factor of winning of a winning prime minister. in a blistering resignation letter, the former minister accused mr sunak of demeaning his office by criticising her. she says his government has abandoned conservatism and the 2019 election manifesto , which was election manifesto, which was published before boris johnson , published before boris johnson, won an 80 seat majority . a won an 80 seat majority. a by—election will now take place in the usually safe tory seat of mid bedfordshire. labour's shadow secretary for women and equalities, anneliese dodds, told gb news that nadine dorries makes some valid points , makes some valid points, although i disagree with nadine dorries on many things when she says that we currently have a zombie parliament and when she asks what rishi sunak stands for and what he has achieved, i think many people will be saying they don't understand either. >> and i think this is incredibly damaging when, as we know, our country is in the middle of a cost of living crisis. we have a crisis in our nhs, prices of crime on our

streets, and yet we seem to have a zombie government that just can't get a grip . can't get a grip. >> but veterans ministerjohnny >> but veterans minister johnny mercer he doesn't agree mercer says he doesn't agree with the issues raised by nadine dorries as she's written a very personal letter to the prime minister and you know, as again is her right, i think that you know, you take some aspects in there that aren't familiar with defence spending. >> she talks about defence spending being cut. i mean, it's just not the case. just fundamentally not the case. and know, when i started in and you know, when i started in parliament, £38 billion a year is under £50 billion is just under £50 billion a yeah is just under £50 billion a year. now this prime minister, when was chancellor, actually when he was chancellor, actually signed off the biggest settlement defence since settlement for defence since the end russian end of the cold war. russian investigators say genetic tests confirm yevgeny prigozhin died in a plane crash on wednesday . in a plane crash on wednesday. >> the wagner boss was on the passenger list of a private jet that crashed north of moscow months after a failed rebellion against russia's military. see, mikhail kasyanov was prime minister of russia from 2000 until 2004. he told gb news that

prigozhin had put unforgivable pressure on putin over his management of the war in ukraine. prigozhin always was a criminal and continued to be a criminal and continued to be a criminal till the end and his, i would say, pressure on putin was not forgivable by putin. >> it was clear for me since the first day of this mutiny that prigozhin will not leave long. i didn't expect of course, that he would be killed in such a demonstrative way as putin did, but definitely it was inevitable . and a breach in the police. >> it system could cause incalculable damage in the wrong hands. according to the police federation . scotland yard says federation. scotland yard says it's aware of unauthorised access to the it system of one of its suppliers. they're now working with the company to ascertain whether data may have been breached . the company had been breached. the company had access to names , ranks, photos, access to names, ranks, photos, vetting levels and pay numbers, but not personal details such as

addresses . but not personal details such as addresses. his whole but not personal details such as addresses . his whole life orders addresses. his whole life orders without parole would become norm for dangerous offenders under plans announced by the prime minister, rishi sunak says people rightly expect that in the most serious cases there should be a guarantee that life will mean life. labour said failed government policies had led to overcrowded prisons, accusing the tories of being soft on crime . a spokesperson soft on crime. a spokesperson for donald trump claims he raised nearly £4 million on friday. the single highest 24 hour period of the campaign to date. the former president's save america fundraising committee is selling items via an online store using his indicted points as to rally support amongst his base shirts , posters and stickers with mug shots are for sale. many of which include the phrase never surrender. donald trump is facing 13 counts related to his attempt to overturn the 2020 us election . residents of a road in election. residents of a road in london, which avoids the ulez

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speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to gb news. sunday >> and thank you very much, lisa. now let's get stuck into today's hot topics. and you just heard wagner boss yevgeny prigozhin has been formally identified as one of the ten people who perished in a plane crash earlier this week by russia's investigative committee . the identities of all of those on board confirm to the manifest following genetic testing and wednesday, prigozhin's private jets crashed just northwest of moscow , killing all ten moscow, killing all ten passengers since the incident , passengers since the incident, the kremlin has vehemently denied of course, any wrongdoing , despite much speculation . , despite much speculation. well, let's see what my panel make of this. this week, i'm joined by political commentator , the hard man with a soft centre for matthew stadlen and social policy analyst. good pal of mine, dr. rakib ahsan. good afternoon you gents . let's afternoon to you gents. let's start on this topic , matthew, of start on this topic, matthew, of this mysterious plane crash,

which of course the kremlin weren't involved in. but if it's true that his dna was on board and i'm sceptical about that, and i'm sceptical about that, and maybe you are too, what does it say, do you think, about the ramping up of the brazen rhetoric of the way putin deals with political foes? >> this is a circus, but it's a circus with tragic consequences . i mean, i particularly feel for the crew involved because if this was a political assassination, as many believe it was by putin, then you get innocent crew members being murdered. we we've got the bizarre spectacle of putin allegedly lee ordering or someone below him on his behalf , ordering the killing of this man who led the coup in june when we were all wrapped our attention was completely gripped, wasn't it? we were watching the tv screens all weekend. while that was unravelling. but if this man was ordered dead by putin or part of his regime, we've now got the

spectacle of russian authorities formally identifying the dna of someone killed by their boss, as do i know that he was murdered by putin? of course i don't. do i believe a single word that comes out of the kremlin? no, i don't. they pump out misinformation from notting hill gate near where i live, from the russian embassy . this is a russian embassy. this is a wicked evil regime. and we have to take everything they say with a pinch of salt, talking of a pinch of salt, raqeeb. >> they called him putin's chef. but is this a dish, a revenge served very, very cold. if it's true that this guy was taken out mid—air in whatever capacity , mid—air in whatever capacity, this is the most brazen political assassination we've ever seen. forget about ice isotopes or sushi. this is the proper takedown. what's that say about the state of mind of putin? well, i mean, i agree with matthew. >> i think that whoever comes out the kremlin, you have to take with a pinch of salt, naturally. not most trusted naturally. not the most trusted regime. if i'm being regime. if i'm if i'm being perfectly honest. but after

prigozhin has failed attempt in terms of his coup, i do think his days were numbered . and if his days were numbered. and if truth be told and understandably , many people do see it as a political assassination, which the kremlin has orchestrated . the kremlin has orchestrated. >> but just talk about the sort of wider implications of this . of wider implications of this. wagner group has been heavily involved in africa for example, on a number of security programs. think countries such programs. i think countries such as mali been, i'd say , as mali have been, i'd say, overly reliant on the wagner group for its for its security. so i think there'll be serious implications terms of, you implications in terms of, you know, security policy in africa i >> -- >> and i -_ >> and i do think that there will be a major fallout from that back back to the group being useful, though, weren't they? one sense, they >> because in one sense, they were once removed. wasn't were once removed. so it wasn't the russian that were the russian army that were actually this atrocity the russian army that were ac'ukraine. this atrocity the russian army that were ac'ukraine. it this atrocity the russian army that were ac'ukraine. it was this atrocity the russian army that were ac'ukraine. it was the atrocity the russian army that were ac'ukraine. it was the foreign/ in ukraine. it was the foreign group honest. yeah, but now they're not there. where's the fall guy? >> forget that the >> let's not forget that the wagner behaved in wagner group behaved in monstrous ways. i mean, they carried extraordinary carried out extraordinary atrocities that barely . you just

atrocities that barely. you just don't want to think about what they got up to. and yet there was that moment, wasn't there, dunng was that moment, wasn't there, during the coup when part of us were willing them on to take down putin without really thinking through, because thinking it through, because if they'd you'd had they'd succeeded, you'd have had putin gangster. of they'd succeeded, you'd have had putin gangster . of course putin is a gangster. of course he is. but you'd have had out and gangsters potentially in and out gangsters potentially in control the biggest arsenal control of the biggest arsenal of nuclear weapons in the world. you're absolutely right. if the wagner group becomes closer , is wagner group becomes closer, is brought in, hugged into the bosom of the kremlin, there's far less deniability for the sorts of atrocities that they carried out. yeah. >> okay, gents, we'll have to leave there for a moment. leave that there for a moment. moving next story. moving on to our next story. please around for the rest please stick around for the rest of the show. of course. now, nadine dorries has formally resigned from the conservative party. the house of commons, more two months after more than two months after pledging to stand down with immediate pledging to stand down with immedisecretary and staunch culture secretary and staunch ally, course, of bosa used ally, of course, of bosa used her resignation letter to attack the prime minister, rishi, who she accused abandoning she accused of abandoning conservative principles. well, joining us now from college, green is the very hardworking gb news deputy political editor tom

harwood. tom, so here we go. took her a long time to get around to it. 11 months. but here we go. she exemplifies the qanot, the embodiment of hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. what a way to go . scorned. what a way to go. >> it's extra ordinary reading that resignation statement. i don't think i've ever quite read one that was so long or indeed so scathing about the prime minister to whom it was being sent out. nadine dorries has of course said that she would be resigning in immediately. several months ago. it has taken the whole summer, but we have finally got that resignation letter now published and it's expected that the writ will be moved in for parliament the by—election upon the return of parliament next week. or i should say the week after next, because of course, this is the last week of the summer recess starting on monday , parliament

starting on monday, parliament back the following monday. the writs should be moved then and the by—election should be taking place before party conferences and that creates another problem for rishi sunak. and that creates another problem for rishi sunak . clearly this for rishi sunak. clearly this by—election has been timed to create the biggest political problem for rishi sunak just as he wants to bring his troops together , rally his troops, together, rally his troops, perhaps perform a limited reshuffle in the coming months as well. well, amidst all of that, and just on the eve of the party conferences, we can expect this mid buckinghamshire by—election, a seat that has been conservative since the 1920s that survived at lee's landslide, that survived blair's landslide, that survived blair's landslide that sits currently with a conservative majority of 25,000. and yet if you look at the bookies odds, it's the lib dems for the taking . dems for the taking. >> thank you very much for that update . another nightmare in update. another nightmare in downing street for rishi sunak. back now to my panel, political commentator matthew stadlen and

social policy analyst dr. raqeeb hassan, let's start with you this raqeeb so her this time raqeeb so her statement was withering. a zombie parliament that's achieved nothing thanks to rishi directly , you've completely directly, you've completely failed in reducing illegal immigration or delivering on the benefits of brexit. the windsor framework which she called a dead duck. she was absolutely withering on the highest taxation since world war ii. yet the funny thing is loads of tories agree with her. she's got a point. >> no, absolutely i did think that the letter read rather petty in parts and attacking rishi's appearance and his up—market fashion choices. >> but i think i think i think large parts were absolutely spot on.andi large parts were absolutely spot on. and i think the two things that really stood out for me was the fact that she emphasised the failing, levelling up agenda, which was the government's flag flagship the prime flagship policy under the prime ministership of boris johnson and also her own working class identity . and i think what she identity. and i think what she was ultimately doing is ultimately the ultimately caricaturing the prime as this sort of prime minister as this sort of hyper privileged , aloof, distant

hyper privileged, aloof, distant politician who can't really relate to the left behind parts of the country . many of those of the country. many of those traditionally labour voting communities that voted conservative or rather elected conservative or rather elected conservative mp for the first time in generations in the last general election . and i think general election. and i think the prime minister is not going to help his image looking as if his prime minister, who doesn't only lack the democratic legitimacy, wasn't even voted in by party membership. but by his own party membership. but i crucially what she's i think crucially what she's done really destabilised the done is really destabilised the conservative party's chances of holding on to mid—bedfordshire ahead of the next by—election andifs ahead of the next by—election and it's going to prove to be a major headache for the prime minister ahead of the general election as well. >> she been missing in >> matthew, she been missing in action so long, were action so long, they were calling her dossa in her calling her dossa doris in her constituency. they even posted wanted posters in her seat because she'd literally been nowhere to be seen. but as to the reasons behind this, is this quite simply , she was snubbed quite simply, she was snubbed for a peerage . is it? she's for a peerage. is it? she's trying to inflict maximum damage on a boris loyalist.

on rishi as a boris loyalist. she's got a book coming out called the plot. has she lost the plot? i mean, rather than focusing nadine doris and focusing on nadine doris and trying to understand what's going on in her mind, and i did take her on on her own very politely on her own national tv show and suggest that she'd been undermining democracy her undermining democracy by her attacks on that privileges committee. >> looking into boris johnson and he'd deliberately and whether he'd deliberately misled parliament. so i'm not a fan of hers, but i think what's more interesting and more relevant to the british people and to the electorate is what sort of damage is going to sort of damage this is going to do rishi sunak, the prime do to rishi sunak, the prime minister. rarely minister. i mean, i've rarely read a, if ever, such read such a, if ever, such a personal attack from someone who , don't forget, served in the same cabinet as rishi sunak in a resignation letter, you scroll back to about a month and zac goldsmith, in his resignation letter also absolutely put the bootin letter also absolutely put the boot in to this prime minister but here, as raqeeb was intimating , she talks about his intimating, she talks about his his sort of his his gleaming smile, she talks about his prada shoes. she talks about his

savile row suit and perhaps the most devastating line at all. if your of all if you're rishi sunakis your of all if you're rishi sunak is she said that he's basically been presiding over what she described as a zombie parliament and said what exactly has been done, what exactly have you achieved since you became prime minister? be in no doubt this is politically damaging to rishi sunak because she represents some sort of a constituency within the tory party? >> absolutely. and raqib , we're >> absolutely. and raqib, we're heading now for a by—election she she wants that called at the earliest possible moment. that's september the 4th. so we're looking like late october looking at like a late october polling. of 24,664. polling. the majority of 24,664. but don't forget north shropshire for was 23,000. tiverton 25,000. selby 20,000. lib dems . the lib dems have lib dems. the lib dems have a phenomenal by—election machine. they'll be gunning for the seat . probably it's going to be another lib dem gain. so is this furtherjust undermining rishi's credibility and will it ultimately just lead to the derailing of them at the next general? >> well, mid—bedfordshire is my

neighbouring constituency. >> i'm in luton north and i think what's really interesting is the picture somewhat is that the picture is somewhat complicated an independent complicated by an independent candidate who's fairly popular. >> local councillor called >> a local councillor called gareth mackey. >> think that it'd be very >> so i think that it'd be very difficult right now to predict what would be the outcome of that by—election >> make mistake, think >> but make no mistake, i think the conservatives, got the conservatives, they've got a real on their hands if real fight on their hands if they hold on to that they want to hold on to that seat it's a very seat and it's a very traditionally tory voting seat in in the so—called three counties of hearts, beds and bucks. >> but i do think that the lib dems, but also labour, i think labour will think that they might chances as might fancy their chances as well. it'll interesting to well. so it'll be interesting to see those dynamics play out see how those dynamics play out and whether or not tactical voting, how much of impact and whether or not tactical votirwillow much of impact and whether or not tactical votirwill have uch of impact and whether or not tactical votirwill have as] of impact and whether or not tactical votirwill have as well. impact that will have as well. >> i was to say, do you >> i was about to say, do you think that the labour party will allow the lib a rein allow the lib dems a free rein in because anyone but the in this because anyone but the tories, they want? tories, what they want? right. >> one of the really, >> i think one of the really, really interesting we really interesting things as we approach election is approach the next election is just what of a role for just what sort of a role for tactical voting will play. i think if people do vote tactically, tories are going tactically, the tories are going to get a massive hiding. why

because i would argue because there is, i would argue and all we're and we all think we're progressive, say progressive, but i would say there a left leaning there is a left leaning progressive majority in this country. and country. so if labour and the lib dems other parties get lib dems and other parties get it if the tories keep it right, and if the tories keep getting attacked by the right , getting attacked by the right, by, by, the sort of people by, by, by the sort of people who often come on gb news, then they are in real trouble. could i just make one quick point? and that in this letter. that is that in this letter. nadine talked about nadine dorries talked about threats and as threats to her person. and as someone who been very someone who has been very critical her, i would say critical of her, i would say that there never, ever, ever that there is never, ever, ever any room for abuse us or threats , let alone physical threats on an mp or indeed anyone else. and i absolutely condemn it. and i think we all should. >> yeah, we'll all agree with that. jen. that was a cracking start to the show. please stick around for the rest of it. you talk about missing in action for three months. nadine dorries the left leaning blob left leaning centrist blob you're they've been you're on about, they've been missing since 2010. let's missing action since 2010. let's see listen to see you watch it and listen to gb sunday with me, martin gb news sunday with me, martin daubney lots more coming up on today's first, let's daubney lots more coming up on todaja; first, let's daubney lots more coming up on todaja look first, let's daubney lots more coming up on todaja look at first, let's daubney lots more coming up on todaja look at your rst, let's daubney lots more coming up on todaja look at your all let's

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britain's news . channel and britain's news. channel and welcome back to gb news sunday with me, martin daubney on your tv online. >> and of course, on your digital radio. now, prime minister rishi sunak has said that the country's asylum system is almost at breaking point,

almost with the cost increase being to twofold . to £4 billion, being to twofold. to £4 billion, £4 billion a year. this comes as home office figures asylum backlog figures have now hit a record high with almost 180,000 people awaiting approval in the first stage of their application in june 2023. well, joining me now is human rights lawyer, great friend of the show, david. hey, hello to you, david. are you down in penzance again? no doubt the weather's beautiful there as it always is. david. a lot of people say that the way of sorts thing, the backlog is to clear it. let's look at some of numbers. 175,457 is the of the numbers. 175,457 is the present total, yet 70% of all first applications are granted asylum, 22% simply reappear and only ever only 8% ever get deported . so a maximum out of deported. so a maximum out of this lot we could send back is 14,000. yet but we've only sent 4193 back this year. clearing

the backlog just means more asylum seekers are granted asylum seekers are granted asylum and surely that will send out the message come to britain. everybody is welcome . everybody is welcome. >> good afternoon, martin. i mean, it is the numbers just don't add up. i mean, the only thing in one way, they add up to a completely failed asylum policy. for the conservatives, it's very, very embarrassing. and quite rightly, i mean, we do need to get the numbers down. >> we need to get the numbers down because that is one of the reasons things are so expensive. >> but as you said currently, if that we're getting the that means we're getting the numbers more numbers down, that means more people, granted people, more people granted asylum. course, genuine asylum. now, of course, genuine asylum. now, of course, genuine asylum need to be asylum seekers need to be granted asylum and in those large you have people large backlogs you have people who genuinely asylum and who genuinely need asylum and whose lives are on hold . and whose lives are on hold. and that's one of the as well as the protecting borders. it's the protecting the borders. it's the genuine number genuine people in that number that been harmed. that have been harmed. >> but david, quick point to you, if the return if the odds are only an 8% chance of ever

getting deported, we can have a million lawyers processing endless people as fast as we possibly can. but 8, that's great odds . that will send out great odds. that will send out a message to the people traffickers, just keep this business model rolling. salt in the backlog won't sort the problem . problem. >> it won't. it won't alone sort the problem. it's not. you need to do several, you know, several areas. it's not just sorting the processing of these people . it's processing of these people. it's also making sure that processing is effective to weed out the is effective and to weed out the people to be people that that need to be granted asylum, people that don't. if the system is don't. now, if the system is wrong and we're granting people asylum, be asylum, that shouldn't be granted, it , then needs to granted, it, then that needs to be changed. and you know, as a human rights lawyer, at the end of the if people genuinely of the day, if people genuinely need protecting are genuine need protecting and are genuine asylum yes, they asylum seekers, then yes, they should granted asylum. as far should be granted asylum. as far as i'm concerned. >> okay , dave, we're gonna have >> okay, dave, we're gonna have to leave it there. thank you very much and enjoy the rest of your afternoon in penzance. i'm very envious. back to the panel now, matthew, let's start with you. there, have you. the numbers there, we have

a pathetic track record of deporting people in the uk. so my point remains , i'll put it to my point remains, i'll put it to you, i'll put it to david and thatis you, i'll put it to david and that is we can have the most efficient asylum backlog system in christendom and beyond. the net result will simply mean more and more come because and more people come because they've only 8% of they've only got an 8% chance of ever being sent home. >> let's deal with the politics first, may , by the prime first, if we may, by the prime minister, rishi sunak said. at the end of last year, one of his five pledges was to wipe out this asylum backlog by the end of this year. i think we can all agree that ain't happening, right? so at the moment, our processing people roughly 2000 a month order to clear the month in order to clear the backlog, as i understand it, they need to do that 5 or 6 times over. they need to do 11,000 cases a month. i cannot see how that's going to happen . see how that's going to happen. so he's a hostage to his own fortune , the prime minister. fortune, the prime minister. this is disastrous politics. and why is it disastrous politics? partly because this is such a visual issue . previously, people visual issue. previously, people would be stowing away on lorries

or trains and we wouldn't see it. so the imagery is much less powerful because there weren't the images . powerful because there weren't the images. right now powerful because there weren't the images . right now people powerful because there weren't the images. right now people are coming over on boats and people on the hard right there for can whip up concerns and fear in the population. when you talk about why why is it an issue of the hard right to control your borders isn't that sovereignty. >> that's what countries do . >> that's what countries do. borders aren't a hard right issue. they're a constitutional right. i absolutely think that we should have control of our borders, which is why . so your borders, which is why. so your hard right? >> no, i'll come to the hard right element of in a moment, right element of it in a moment, which is why i think that the prime minister and the home secretary, braverman, secretary, suella braverman, should doing more get should be doing much more to get a of the criminal gangs. a grip of the criminal gangs. how can it be to infiltrate how hard can it be to infiltrate these gangs? sort them out and get them into prison? right absolutely. a supporter is very hard because they're not doing it well. aren't they doing it well. why aren't they doing it? understand it. but it? i don't understand it. but the hard right element comes when phrases like when we hear phrases like military age men fighting age men. this is demonised thing.

it's human beings , premier it's human beings, premier league footballers are fighting age men, but we don't describe them. it is designed to put fear into people and also to describe these people as somehow cowards for . leaving, for for leaving. leaving, for example, the taliban, who i've already described this week on gb as a bunch of mediaeval gb news as a bunch of mediaeval torturers . okay. just the final torturers. okay. just the final thing. when you talk about can we this lot or get rid of we deport this lot or get rid of language matters each of these people, some of them be people, some of them won't be genuine asylum seekers, but each of human of these people are human beings and be languishing on and they will be languishing on these lists in miserable conditions. part the tragedy conditions. part of the tragedy of they could be working of it is they could be working some of guys. they could some of these guys. they could be and contributing to be working and contributing to our economy. be working and contributing to our okay.�*my. the be working and contributing to ourokay.�*my. the solution be working and contributing to our okay.�*my. the solution we >> okay. raqib the solution we have here is, is to allow anyone who comes into without who comes into britain without any documentation , without any any documentation, without any proof, without passport. proof, without any passport. grant them a working visa. what's that to do to the what's that going to do to the numbers coming they'll go numbers coming here? they'll go through the roof. >> well, that just >> well, that is just an unacceptable of affairs. unacceptable state of affairs. i think that i matthew makes think that i think matthew makes a though, that what a good point, though, that what people want to practical

people want to see is practical policy delivery. i've often policy delivery. so i've often talked national crime talked about the national crime agency freedom agency being given more freedom , resources , power and resources to cooperate with european cooperate with its european counterparts to clamp down and dismantle into national people smuggling networks. i think there's more support to be provided there. i also think that when it comes to employers and landlords who knowingly employ and house illegal migrants, i think there should be stronger prison sentences for that. i think that's quite conservative. >> when it comes to law and order. so i want to see that practical policy action. >> but i think ultimately what we need, we need a streamlined asylum system. i do think that the between genuine refugee the line between genuine refugee and is becoming and economic migrant is becoming increasingly the last increasingly blurred in the last few and i think few years. and i think unfortunately, you look at unfortunately, when you look at the demographic the sort of demographic characteristics of those who are crossing on the crossing on small boats on the engush crossing on small boats on the english coast english south coast is predominantly only younger males , when i think that we need an asylum system which prioritises women and children, especially in territories in conflict affected territories , we have to move on to our next topic. >> you're watching or listening to news with me, martin

to gb news with me, martin daubney loads more coming up on today's show. first, here's today's show. but first, here's the with . lisa it's 1:02. the news with. lisa it's 1:02. >> i'm lisa hartle in the newsroom. russian investigator say genetic tests confirm yevgeny prigozhin died in a plane crash on wednesday . the plane crash on wednesday. the wagner boss was on the passenger list of a private jet that crashed north of moscow months after a failed rebellion against russia's military. mikhail yasinov was prime minister of russia from 2002 2004. he told gb news that prigozhin had put unforgivable pressure on putin over his management of the war in ukraine. >> prigozhin always was a criminal and continued to be a criminal and continued to be a criminal till the end. and he is, i would say, a pressure on putin was not forgivable by putin. it was clear for me since the first day of this mutiny that prigozhin will not live long. i didn't expect to, of course, that he will be killed

and such a demonstrative way as putin did. but definitely nadine dorries says the prime minister has whipped up a public frenzy against her in a blistering resignation letter, the former minister accused rishi sunak of demeaning his office by criticising her. >> she said the prime minister has abandoned the 2019 election manifesto , which was published manifesto, which was published before boris johnson won an 80 seat majority . a by—election seat majority. a by—election will now take place in the usually safe tory seat of mid bedfordshire . a breach in the bedfordshire. a breach in the met police's it system could cause incalculable damage in the wrong hands, according to the police federation, scotland yard says it's aware of unauthorised access to the it system of one of its suppliers. they're now working with the company to ascertain whether data may have been breached. the company had access to names, ranks, photos, vetting levels and pay numbers. but not personal details. such

as addresses . and you can get as addresses. and you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com i >> -- >> and thank you very much, lisa. now the government's latest immigration figures show visas to the uk are on the rise once again. work visas have seen a 65% rocket since this time last year, with study visas for students also up by 34. more than 3 million visas have been granted in the year ending june, which is a 58% increase in just 12 months. well joining me now is international security and border control expert henry bolton. good afternoon to you, henry. thanks for joining bolton. good afternoon to you, henry. thanks forjoining us on henry. thanks for joining us on the show. eyewatering numbers absolutely massive rocketing numbers . can absolutely massive rocketing numbers. can you help us to explain why these numbers have gone up in particular the

reclassification of skilled workers, which happened in 2021, has to led this massive increase ? >> 7- >> yeah. 7 >> yeah. martin there's a number of things that have contributed . first of all, i think everybody's fairly well aware now that the conservative government under david cameron and theresa may cut policing by about 21,000. all right. there they've recruited some more back . that's a different topic. policing. i know , but they did policing. i know, but they did something similar to the staff and the structure . those that and the structure. those that are responsible for processing these these asylum claims and immigration action, they cut them massively . they outsourced them massively. they outsourced a lot of it. they downgraded the in that process , staff grades in that process, staff grades were downgraded. pay was downgraded, training was downgraded, training was downgraded . so we've got downgraded. so we've got a massive problem in terms of the staffing, resourcing of the people who are doing this. and a lot of the time they're not employed by the home office.

they're outsourced. so they're employed by other companies who do the work for the home office. so that's so the home office doesn't really have control over it. point one is the home office has to take control of that process again. and needs to re—establish the quality of the training and the preparation of the staff involved as well as the staff involved as well as the numbers. otherwise these this simply is going to work and just to illustrate it, martin, out of the 45,000 plus people who crossed the channel last yearin who crossed the channel last year in small boats, only about 1% have received a decision on their asylum claims. now that rate, it's not sort of year on year the way it's calculated. so you'll have to trust me on this, but it will take about 60 years for all of this. 45,000 people, these 45,000 people are already here to be processed. now, of course , that's not going to course, that's not going to happen. there is a major, major, bold decision that has to be

taken by the government to address the resourcing. now, in terms of the classification of for work visas as well. you'll recall , i for work visas as well. you'll recall, i think for work visas as well. you'll recall , i think everybody well, recall, i think everybody well, there was a lot of talk about there was a lot of talk about the point system that we've appued the point system that we've applied well, the point system that we've applied well , that's all well applied well, that's all well and good but at the time i saw a major flaw in it and i was trying to fly it, flag this up and that is that the point system is only good if you are continually assessing the jobs and the trades and so on that you need and what what you gain points for because of course as the as the workforce evolves, as you bring people in, then the situation in that regard changed as and you have to be able to adapt to that. the point system as it is at the moment is incapable . it is simply not incapable. it is simply not designed to be able to be adaptive in that respect. so we end up with, you know, people being given visas for jobs that we don't actually need them to do any longer. okay. the whole thing. martin from start to finish, needs to be rebuilt. the entire border process and i

don't know how much time we've got, but we'll have to wrap it up there. the national yeah, you can talk all day on this. >> you certainly can. nice fence behind you. certainly not sitting on fence on this sitting on the fence on this one. bolton, thank you one. henry bolton, thank you very for joining i one. henry bolton, thank you very forjoining i want very much forjoining us. i want to to my panel now. i'll to go to my panel now. i'll start with you this time, martha. you i, i think quite simply the work visa situation is national disgrace. you and is a national disgrace. you and i on this earlier this i disagreed on this earlier this week. numbers of week. we have record numbers of young men 19 to 24in unemployment or not in training. i think they've been completely abandoned by this government and yet we're flooding the country with men in with working age men in particular, making these guys redone for a lifetime. how can you, as somebody who is a proponent of open borders and free movement, i'm not support support . i'm free movement, i'm not support support. i'm not. free movement, i'm not support support . i'm not. okay, let's support. i'm not. okay, let's rephrase it. do you support do you support an extra 353,000 working visas being granted in the uk at a time where we have massive youth unemployed moment? so if so, why?

>> first of all, i mean, you and i do. you're right. disagree strongly on this, but it's quite nuanced. the first thing to say is that there is a hole in our labour market. oh, now you want british people to fill that hole as much as possible? i do. and i would support that because we want to be in work . would support that because we want to be in work. but want people to be in work. but we have very, very low unemployment figures. for a start, the other thing is when it comes to jobs like care, okay, and we have someone very close to our family at the moment who is nearing end of life, who requires a lot of care. and so i have witnessed first hand the care that has been administered to this person. it has been absolutely extraordinary via the nhs and almost every man and woman involved have been either africa iron or british african. now previous . they may have come previous. they may have come from the eu, but because we brexited a whole load of people are no longer working in this country who were and therefore there is a hole . now you country who were and therefore there is a hole. now you might want to train up or persuade or

incentivise british workers to do those jobs. and i and i can understand that, but it hasn't happened.so understand that, but it hasn't happened. so we can't let people who are in need of care to simply die without that care. well, that's that's not happening. >> and by the way, the nhs is 83.5% british workforce. it's a complete misnomer and i think an untruth to say the nhs will collapse without the kind of immigration you're talking. >> if you don't have that, those 17, got problem to 17, you've got a problem to raqeeb to let him get a word in. >> point i think is quite >> so my point i think is quite clear. i think most people out there would perhaps agree pay people you know, we always people more. you know, we always said during the brexit referendum paid british workers more this a systemic failure more is this a systemic failure of the government to once again relying on cheap imported labour? they're addicted to cheap labour to plug holes when they haven't done the training. you're right. for carers or nhs workers and that is why we're in this endless death spiral of cheap labour which means suppressed wages for british workers . workers. >> well, absolutely. and there's many people on what i'd call the

traditional left who would support workers traditional left who would suppo and workers traditional left who would suppo and conditions rkers traditional left who would suppo and conditions ,(ers rights and pay conditions, especially and social especially in health and social care, the government care, where the government is able those able to intervene in those sectors as significant control. >> what seen in the >> but what we've seen in the post brexit context and this is something context, something that context, this is something that context, this is something we something i've argued for, we need industrial policy. >> haven't anything like >> i haven't seen anything like that from the conservative government. i want to see greater in improving government. i want to see greatethe in improving government. i want to see greatethe pool in improving government. i want to see greatethe pool of in improving government. i want to see greatethe pool of skills1proving government. i want to see greatethe pool of skills that ing living the pool of skills that we have in our domestic labour market. i want to see the improvement in, you know, schooling standards well. improvement in, you know, schi)ling standards well. improvement in, you know, schi thinkstandards well. improvement in, you know, schi think thatiards well. improvement in, you know, schi think that inis well. improvement in, you know, schi think that in terms/ell. improvement in, you know, schi think that in terms ofl. >> i think that in terms of apprenticeships, i don't think we in high quality we invest in high quality apprenticeships haven't we invest in high quality apprent enough haven't we invest in high quality apprent enough vocationalven't colleges. >> so the point is, is that if we want to reduce our immigration dependency, that's going considerable going to require considerable pubuc going to require considerable public investment . public investment. >> and in order to make those investments more, and is investments more, and that is going to money. going to cost money. >> so we have to have a debate about taxation in that case as well. low taxes well. you can't have low taxes and invest those and then also invest those incredible amounts. >> matthew, country , >> matthew, this this country, the government promised to take back borders. do back control of our borders. do you can? and the you think they can? and the bigger question is, do you think they even to or they

they even want to or do they need kind of immigration need this kind of immigration because they simply haven't planned because they simply haven't pla i1ed there is an argument >> i mean, there is an argument of course, there hasn't of course, that there hasn't been planning. i'm no of course, that there hasn't bee of planning. i'm no of course, that there hasn't bee of this planning. i'm no of course, that there hasn't bee of this governmentg. i'm no of course, that there hasn't bee of this government .. i'm no of course, that there hasn't bee of this government . you no fan of this government. you talked about 83% of the nhs being british or whatever. that would still leave 17. that is a hole that would have to be filled. and if we're not training quickly enough, we need to. but your about to. but your point about taxation neave is taxation rikki neave is absolutely spot on. we're talking a public the talking about a public the pubuc talking about a public the public sector here, when we're talking and nhs. so talking about care and nhs. so of we should try to raise of course we should try to raise wages . of course, carers deserve wages. of course, carers deserve better pay, but we need to be absolutely clear about that absolutely clear about it. that means taxes going up . do you means taxes going up. do you support higher taxes to make sure that british workers are more incentivised to do the sort ofjobs more incentivised to do the sort of jobs that we are talking about, for which we now at the moment need immigration? >> well, i would say this . if we >> well, i would say this. if we paid 500 million or £500 billion to pay people not to work during the pandemic , then it's simply the pandemic, then it's simply a case of priorities. you know,

the furlough the furlough scheme has left us 2.6 total, 2.6 trillion in debt. but surely the answer is we haven't got any money left. otherwise we are then totally dependent on this death spiral of. but we're fighting. >> we're fighting old battles. then we can have an argument about whether the furlough scheme or wrong. that scheme was right or wrong. that has happened. now you don't want immigrants to doing the sort immigrants to be doing the sort of we're talking about. so of jobs we're talking about. so do taxes in order to do we raise taxes in order to pay do we raise taxes in order to pay british people more to incentivise do the sorts incentivise them to do the sorts of things like if it's a private sector which a lot care sector role, which a lot of care homes are, they could pay more to more. to attract more. >> example, you to >> for example, if you go to farms on the coast, which i've been to farms which are dependent on, on, on cheap immigrant less immigrant labour, they pay less than british minimum wage than the british minimum wage because they are effectively subletting to a foreign job market hourly rate. so the answer i don't think the answer . how much immigration do we need? that's the point. need? well that's the point. we've record immigration we've got record immigration and yet don't enough yet we still don't have enough people roles. matthew, people in these roles. matthew, what want? endless what do you want? just endless open borders. government open borders. so the government , i could , the government and i could

come back to the point that i'm not a fan of this government, but the government has clearly had and to the end of had to respond and to the end of free movement of people from the eu consequence brexit. eu as a consequence of brexit. >> make point, if >> and i make this point, if we're talking about agriculture, for example, there's space for artificial and artificial intelligence and nanotechnology. ag in order to move agricultural sector in move our agricultural sector in that direction to lead to efficiency and productivity gains. though, that gains. again, though, that requires investment . so we have requires investment. so we have to very serious debate to have a very serious debate about that. >> have leave it there. we >> we have to leave it there. we can about these can talk about all these debates. we had longer debates. i wish we had longer lots coming on today's lots more coming on today's show. we'll be discussing what's responsible for the wildfires, wildfires which have been seen across and over across southern europe and over other this summer. can other countries this summer. can it really be down to climate change something change or is it something a little to the little bit more closer to the home? of that and more to home? all of that and more to come. i'm martin daubney and you're watching

gb news is the people's channel. britain's watching . britain's watching. >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me, martin daubney on your tv online, of course, on your digital radio. now, if you were to believe the established media wildfires are almost always caused by, guess what? of course, climate change. but one senior climate crisis official in greece has claimed that most of the fires that ravaged the country were started by human hands. country were started by human hands . over the last few weeks, hands. over the last few weeks, 667 fires erupted across the country with suggestions it was done by either criminal negligence or indeed even intent . we've seen devastation in other parts of the world, of course, including canada,

hawaii, italy and tenerife. and these events have sparked the debate about whether climate change is really the main culprit. well, joining me now is meteorologist jim dale . jim, meteorologist jim dale. jim, it's always a pleasure. thanks for joining us on the show. so forjoining us on the show. so a more nuanced debate is what we're trying to have here, because, of course, every time we see a disaster anywhere in the world, now it's climate change or the climate emergency or the climate is boiling yet when we look at the data, we see a thing. looking back a different thing. looking back at the fires in greece two thousand and seven, orson 2009. human negligence 2012. orson 2018. orson 2021. orson and the biggest wildfires in australia. the black saturday bushfire in 2009. orson the fire in maui recently was a downed power line, which should have been shut down sooner. in fact , the shut down sooner. in fact, the county is suing the island's biggest power provider for along with the fact they had poorly maintained the forestry

underneath the lines, allowing it to go up like a tinderbox. so my question to you, jim, quite simply, is when we can often see the evidence is clear, this is human neglect or human actual starting it deliberately. why are we obsessed with the fact it's climate change? >> well, i'm not and i say that openly simply because, first of all, we've got to look at the reasons for a fire start in the first place. >> you've mentioned a few of them. >> so there's three real reasons natural, so natural could be. >> for example, a lightning strike happens . strike that happens. >> i think it happened in one of the major canadian fires where they it lightning they said it was lightning strike forever a strike and that forever and a day has been a reason why wildfires occurred. the wildfires have occurred. the next accident. so, for next one is accident. so, for example , a campfire that goes example, a campfire that goes astray and the usual thing you may say that's a little bit of arson involved, but generally speaking, it's by accident . it's speaking, it's by accident. it's not meant to happen. and sometimes they do happen. and the third, you've already mentioned and i've mentioned it already, which is arson. so

there three reasons, but there are three reasons, but this the this isn't the this isn't the this isn't the debate, if you like. nobody's arguing which way these arguing about which way these things start . arguing about which way these things start. it's the spread. it's the excessive of them, the excessiveness. it's where they end up going, in other words, into new areas . that's the into new areas. that's the question. that's where the climate change bit comes in, because the way i look upon this. martin not just myself, but climatologists and people on the ground fighting these fires , is that is that without excess of temperatures and we're talking record temperatures, hugely record temperatures in europe, in america , in canada, europe, in america, in canada, in siberia this time around, plus droughts that go with it. if you have that , then you have if you have that, then you have the background, if you like, for these fires to take hold and spread and not just spread as in a normal way, maybe into a few forests or heathland or that type of thing, which has happened forever and a day, that's absolutely correct. but into townships and villages like we saw in maui helped along by by by very strong winds from a

hurricane that normally is nowhere near them. >> yeah, june, that brings us to my next point, though. you're right. i mean, if talk about right. i mean, if you talk about this, get called a climate this, you get called a climate change denier. the climate change denier. but the climate has changed. and in fact, has always changed. and in fact, you 2000 ago, the you know, 2000 years ago, the climate much warmer than it climate was much warmer than it is we to be able to is now. we used to be able to grow grapes rome britain. grow grapes in rome and britain. so is , why are we so so my point is, why are we so obsessed with with this kind of, you know, monolithic debate, even though the climate has always changed, there's clearly awesome there's clearly awesome. there's clearly forestry . fires have forestry issues. fires have happened before, yet we are still tied down to the fact that it's climate change. that's what i'm saying. >> yeah. i think the climate change thing comes from both sides, to be honest with you. >> there is a potential of people well, let's just say exaggerating on both sides. in other words, using it as a weapon, weaponizing these sort of disasters in either direction when in actual fact, i think the direction of travel is much more should be much more of a positive way in terms of how.

>> i'm afraid we're going to have to leave it there. i'm afraid climate change has stopped play. you're watching or listening news with listening to gb news sunday with me, martin daubney. lots more to come show. but come on today's show. but first on that point, let's take a look at the weather with greg dewhurst. >> looks things are heating >> looks like things are heating up , up boxt boilers proud up, up boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news is . hello sponsors of weather on gb news is. hello there. >> i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . over the next 24 hours forecast. over the next 24 hours or so, there will be showers or some longer spells of rain, but there'll be some bright spells, particularly on monday. but with a westerly breeze it is a north westerly breeze it is staying on the cool side for the time of year . staying on the cool side for the time of year. but there will be some brighter breaks every so often and we do have some of them through this evening time across areas. heavy across central areas. any heavy showers will fade showers in the east will fade away, but it is cloudy in the west with patchy slowly west with patchy rain slowly pushing way eastwards. later pushing its way eastwards. later on this evening and into the early could a few early hours, we could see a few heavier bursts of rain that heavier bursts of rain on that before breaks with clearer before it breaks up with clearer spells. on behind

spells. then following on behind towns and cities generally holding up double figures, holding up in double figures, single figures in the countryside. it means a fairly fresh start to monday morning . fresh start to monday morning. there will be a few showers across the west across the north and the west from go, but more in from the word go, but more in the way sunny spells to start the way of sunny spells to start monday compared sunday. monday compared to sunday. but as the day, the as we go through the day, the cloud will up. there will cloud will bubble up. there will be of showers, but be a scattering of showers, but some places will dry and some places will stay dry and the much lighter the showers much lighter compared to sunday as well. and temperatures just feeling a little too . highs of little warmer, too. highs of around about 21 or 22 celsius towards the southeast as we move into tuesday , we'll continue to into tuesday, we'll continue to see some showers across the north and the west, perhaps turning windier with more frequent showers across the far north—west of scotland. but generally elsewhere, sunny spells and scattered showers and temperatures again into the low 20s wednesday and thursday. 20s on wednesday and thursday. a mixed picture , further showers mixed picture, further showers at times to looks like things are heating up . are heating up. >> boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news the dewbs

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drive within in sadiq khan's zone . so could this be the end zone. so could this be the end of london? mayor sadiq khan's tenure or the conservative is just as weak on the ulez policy , which, don't forget, was their idea in the first place. next, donald trump has become the first former president in us history to have his fingerprints and mugshot taken. it's been a week of headlines for the former president . he didn't attend the president. he didn't attend the republican debate this week and still stole the show with his interview with the american tv presenter tucker carlson as an exclusive on twitter , as was exclusive on twitter, as was previously known. now please do get in touch. send us your thoughts on gbviews@gbnews.com or send us a message on our socials or of course, at gb news. but first, it's your news headunes news. but first, it's your news headlines with the wonderful . lisa >> good afternoon. it's 2:01. i'm lisa hartle in the newsroom. nadine dorries has accused rishi sunak of whipping up a public frenzy against her and says he

doesn't have the x factor of winning of a winning prime minister in a blistering resignation letter, the former minister accused mr sunak of demeaning his office by criticising her. she says his government has abandoned conservative and the 2019 election manifesto , which was election manifesto, which was published before boris johnson , published before boris johnson, won an 80 seat majority . a won an 80 seat majority. a by—election will now take place in the usually safe tory seat of mid beds fisher, labour's shadow secretary for women and equalities, anneliese dodds, told gb news that nadine dorries made some valid points. >> although i disagree with nadine dorries on many things when she says that we currently have a zombie parliament and when she asks what rishi sunak stands for and what he has achieved, i think many people will be saying they don't understand either. and i think this is incredibly damaging when, as we know, our country is in the middle of a cost of living crisis. we have a crisis in our nhs , prices of crime on in our nhs, prices of crime on our streets, and yet we seem to

have a zombie government that just can't get a grip. >> but veterans ministerjohnny >> but veterans minister johnny mercer says doesn't agree mercer says he doesn't agree with the issues raised by nadine dorries. she's written a very personal letter to the prime minister and, you know, as again, it's her right. >> i think that you know, you take some aspects in there that i'm familiar with defence spending. she talks about defence spending being cut. i mean, it's just fundamentally not and you know, when not the case. and you know, when i started in parliament, £38 billion a year is just under £50 billion a year is just under £50 billion year. now this prime billion a year. now this prime minister, chancellor minister, when he was chancellor , actually signed the , actually signed off the biggest settlement for defence since of cold war. since the end of the cold war. >> russian investigators say genetic tests confirm yevgeny prigozhin died in a plane crash on wednesday . the wagner boss on wednesday. the wagner boss was on the passenger list of a private jet that crashed north of moscow. months after a failed rebellion against russia's military. mikhail kasyanov was prime minister of russia from 2000 until 2004. he told gb news

that prigozhin had put unforgivable pressure on putin over his management of the war in ukraine. >> prigozhin always was a criminal and continued to be a criminal and continued to be a criminal till the end and he is, i would say, pressure on putin was not forgivable by putin. it was not forgivable by putin. it was clear for me since the first day of this mutiny that prigozhin will not leave long. i didn't expect , of course, that didn't expect, of course, that he would be killed in such a demonstrative way as putin did, but but definitely that was inevitable . and a breach in the inevitable. and a breach in the police's it system that could cause incalculable damage in the wrong hands, according to the police federation. >> scotland yard says it's aware of unauthorised access to the it system of one of its suppliers. they're now working with the company to ascertain whether data may have been breached . the data may have been breached. the company had access to names , company had access to names, ranks, photos, vetting levels and pay numbers, but not personal details such as addresses whole life orders

without parole would become the norm for dangerous offenders . norm for dangerous offenders. under plans announced by the prime minister. rishi sunak says people rightly expect that in the most serious of cases there should be a guarantee that life will mean life. labour said failed government policies had led to overcrowded prisons, accusing the tories of being soft on crime. a spokesperson for donald trump claims he raised nearly £4 million on friday. the single highest 24 hour period of the campaign to date. the former presidents save america fundraising committee is selling items via its online store using his indictments to rally support among his base shirts, posters and stickers with mug shots are for sale , with mug shots are for sale, many of which include the phrase never surrender. donald trump is facing 13 counts related to his attempt to overturn the 2020 us election as residents of a road in london, which avoids the ulez

charge, say they're being offered £100 a month by people hoping to avoid the emissions fee . people living along moor fee. people living along moor lane in chessington are being asked by motorist to use their driveways while the road remains charge free, turning off at any point would incur the £12.50 daily fee for non—compliant vehicles. the expansion of ulez aims to improve air quality and from tuesday it will be expanded into greater london. monster hunters have heard four distinctive noises during the biggest search for the loch ness monster in half a century. these pictures are coming to us live from loch ness, where it's a slightly brighter day than yesterday. the research team from edinburgh said the noises were heard using an underwater microphone. international interest in the search is high, with hunters from australia to canada and america also taking part. this is gb news across the uk on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to gb

news . sunday news. sunday >> thank you very much . listen, >> thank you very much. listen, i think you've got more chance of seeing nadine dorries at rishi sunak barbecue than the loch ness monster. but that's just get stuck now just me. let's get stuck now into topics and that into today's topics and that name, nadine dorries has formally resigned the house formally resigned from the house of commons more than two months after pledging to initially stand down immediate effect stand down with immediate effect and a scathing attack and launched a scathing attack on rishi sunak. now, lots of you have been getting in touch on this topic. graham says this. nadine dorries must be very angry and if she's angry and bitter if she's prepared to put another nail in the party coffin and ensure the tory party coffin and ensure labour win power. she's disloyal , all lacking integrity and class. virginia says this mps look after themselves and don't care about their constituents. all the country. they say what they think people want to hear and then ignore them. all of these people are just liars. and keith says this. she is right to resign. the tories have

abandoned the pledges they were elected on and they are not carrying out the will of the people. well that's certainly got your juices flowing . keep got your juices flowing. keep those views coming in. now, joining us now is gb news deputy political editor tom harwood , political editor tom harwood, live from college. green. tom well, it took a long enough, but when the resignation letter arrived, it wasn't so much a letter as a hand grenade. what's the fallout been in downing street ? street? >> yeah, the downing street will not have liked this letter one bit. >> indeed, we've already seen the opposition parties take the wording of the letter as as almost confirmation of their criticism of this government . criticism of this government. nadine dorries has hit out at a zombie parliament at a prime minister who has ditched several pledges of his predecessor and indeed of a sclerotic sort of march towards the next election. nadine dorries , of course nadine dorries, of course promised to resign with immediate effect as a member of parliament some months ago . it's parliament some months ago. it's taken until this weekend for

that to actually formally take place, although the writ will not be moved in the official terminology until parliament is back sitting a week on monday. that's when the process for this by—election can actually take place . and it will be likely place. and it will be likely that the people of mid—bedfordshire go to vote at just before party conferences and that causes a bit of a headache for the prime minister, perhaps a deliberately imposed headache on the part of nadine dorries because if the people of mid—bedfordshire go to vote just on the eve of conservative party conference, just when the conservative party is intending to sort of get together , move to sort of get together, move forward from the torrid time it's had over the last year or so, just as rishi sunak is planning perhaps muted reshuffle and reorganise ization of his troops, there will be this big distraction of what the bookies are predicting would be a historic loss for the

conservative party. despite the 25,000 vote majority in this seat that has been conservative since the 1920s. despite this seat surviving labour landslides from 1945 through to 1997. the bookies now say it's odds for on the conservatives to lose this seat and both the labour party and the liberal democrats are vying for it. so potentially there is some room there for the conservatives to maybe eke their way through the middle. but the very fact that we're talking about this as if it's a seat thatis about this as if it's a seat that is almost definitely going to be lost by the conservatives, should them pause for should give them pause for thought. this is certainly a big hand grenade, not just in the criticism of the letter, but also in six weeks or so's time , also in six weeks or so's time, the outcome of the by—election tom harwood. >> thank you for that update from college green on another nightmare on downing street for rishi sunak. now let's come back to my panel. start with you first, dr. raqib ahsan what i

always do when this kind of thing happens is i go to the conservative media outlets like the telegraph, the express and the telegraph, the express and the mail and see what people are saying what's really saying and what's been really interesting this interesting about this resignation even resignation letter is that even diehard tories agree with nadine dorries . they agree with her on dorries. they agree with her on things like her claim. you've completely failed in reducing illegal immigration in or delivering on the benefits of brexit. the windsor framework was a dead duck with the ring on the highest taxes since world war ii. do you think she's got a point? well firstly, i make the point? well firstly, i make the point that diehard tories would agree with in not really agree with her in not really seeing sunak someone seeing rishi sunak as someone who really stands for something. >> very difficult >> it's very difficult to describe the vision is describe what the vision is behind rishi sunak's prime ministership. so i think she was bang on there. of course there's a degree of bitterness involved that that she wasn't that the fact that she wasn't she wasn't able to take her place in the house of lords. >> if you actually look at >> but if you actually look at the analysis contained , and i the analysis contained, and i think absolutely think much of it was absolutely spot on, the government is very much failing when it comes to

matters illegal immigration. matters of illegal immigration. >> i think that she mentioned the agenda a great the levelling up agenda a great deal the levelling up agenda a great deal, very important deal, which is very important because have to understand because we have to understand the reason why the the fact that the reason why the tories won their largest parliament majority since 1987 was fact that not only would was the fact that not only would that done message, that get brexit done message, which appealed many which appealed to many leave voting which voting communities, which traditionally the traditionally vote for the labour but that idea labour party. but it's that idea that going to tackle that it was going to tackle regional city, regional inequality city, that it was spread wealth it was going to spread wealth and opportunity across the regions . i just haven't seen the regions. i just haven't seen the results. if truth be told. >> okay. matthew stadlen timing's never good to have yet another by—election, but as tom was saying there, it looks like they're nailed on to lose this despite a massive majority of 25,000. but we've seen similar majorities overhauled in all of the recent by elections. but the tories on receiving tories being on the receiving end another defeat seat, how end of another defeat seat, how damaging do you think this is for rishi sunak? it's very damaging this is partly damaging because this is partly about momentum as build to about momentum as we build to the next election. >> you were saying, martin, that you look at the telegraph comments section to a sense

comments section to get a sense of conservatives are of what conservatives are thinking. i just ask my wife because a tory and she because i married a tory and she was very disappointed with nadine dorries and putting the boot rishi sunak electric boot into rishi sunak electric electorate's voters do not like divide parties when i was hosting my own show on the radio a few years ago , i was often a few years ago, i was often talking about divisions within labour and about jeremy corbyn's leadership, someone such as myself, who's been broadly on the left all of my life, found myself unable to be voting for labour during those two elections when he was leader, the labour party was hugely divided under his leadership. the labour party was taken over by the hard left by the trotskyist. now keir starmer, whether you think he's got charisma or not, and i don't think he's particularly charismatic, whether you think he's done u—turns or not, and he has done some u—turns, he has, broadly brought the broadly speaking, brought the labour together. he is labour movement together. he is running quite a tight ship and he has made the labor party a

plausible party of government at the moment. all the problems when it comes to division are rishi sunak and the tories. >> i agree on that point. raqeeb because what's happening here, they're fighting like rats in a sack. you know, first it was brexit. before that it was europe. now things like the europe. now it's things like the echr immigration. they can't agree on anything. the environment, you know , nadine environment, you know, nadine said resignation . said in her resignation. resignation, i that the resignation, i said that the tories care about net tories should care about net zero. people say no, we zero. a lot of people say no, we shouldn't. more shouldn't. we should be more focussed on on being energy sovereign. but this looks like total civil war within the party. and it's because she's a loyal john tonight. could this be thinking a couple of chess moves ahead . the tories get moves ahead. the tories get eviscerated at the next general and boris comes back. guess who's on his hit list? no, doris, it's a possibility. >> i think that that really does show the intellectual deficit, which exists at the heart of british conservatism . it's british conservatism. it's increasingly become about personalities as opposed to having an uplift, getting

inclusive, conservative agenda for the country at large . and i for the country at large. and i did think that brexit presented an opportunity for the conservatives to foster what i consider to be the sort of cross—class, multi—ethnic conservatism which would continue commanding a handsome parliamentary majority . so when parliamentary majority. so when she talks about the goodwill of the nation, she's actually right. they've squandered a golden opportunity, kitty, to really shore up that parliamentary majority that it won the largest one since 1987. and it does look like unless the rishi sunak is able to perform a miracle, look like the miracle, it does look like the conservatives are heading their way power. way out of power. >> matthew isn't. part of >> and matthew isn't. part of the the a lot of the problem is the a lot of people have been today people have been saying today and repeatedly the past few and repeatedly over the past few weeks months, the weeks and months, the conservative just doesn't conservative party just doesn't appear conservative appear to be conservative anymore. in fact, keir starmer and sunak much and rishi sunak pretty much similar taxation, on the similar on taxation, on the environment, on lack of border control. is the problem. not that the left is divided or the right divide is the fact we don't have a genuine choice between who's going to be the next prime minister because next best prime minister because they're the same.

they're both basically the same. you could throw the you could you could throw the same at the labour party . same mud at the labour party. >> you ask of keir >> you could ask of keir starmer, what exactly does he stand for? now the difference here is that the conservatives have power for 13 years. have been in power for 13 years. let us not forget initially, with the help of the liberal democrats and i can understand politically why keir starmer and his team are playing it safe. they don't want to make mistakes. this is in a way their election to lose. they may not become the biggest party overall , but surely they will be able to form some sort of government. so understand where starmer is so i understand where starmer is coming from , but it is difficult coming from, but it is difficult to know for positive reasons why you would vote for labour. i think there's a greater degree of decency. i think they are less tempted. well, not tempted at all by the far right. but for example, we saw in the telegraph today rachel reeves, the shadow chancellor, i think highly chancellor, i think she's highly competent think will be competent. i think she will be good the nation's finances good with the nation's finances . kiboshed. the idea that . she is kiboshed. the idea that there any sort of wealth there will be any sort of wealth tax when labour come to power. now, wealth tax is one area they

might have been able to set themselves apart from. >> do we trust them on that though? rikki neave that's the point. i mean, do we do we trust labour on running the economy? that's a huge issue that's going to be a huge issue at next election? that's going to be a huge issue at well,xt election? that's going to be a huge issue at well, i: election? that's going to be a huge issue at well, i thinkion? that's going to be a huge issue at well, i think that the key >> well, i think that the key thing with the economy is the cost of living crisis. and i think labour traditionally think that labour traditionally have of issues it have ownership of issues when it comes and comes to poverty reduction and how of how to foster how in terms of how to foster a fairer economy, talk about fairer economy, we talk about economic precariousness. workers rights come into rights will naturally come into that. do on those that. so i do think on those issues, i exactly those issues, i think exactly those communities that the conservatives win conservatives managed to win over general over in the last general election, think that's why election, i think that's why many of those communities have returned because returned back to labour because when those and when it comes to those bread and butter may well butter issues, they may well trust their national party. you could okay, we'll to could say, okay, we'll have to leave it there. >> you think out there, let >> do you think out there, let us is there any difference us know. is there any difference between parties? there between the two parties? there is choice. you're going to is the choice. you're going to be or do you want to be be hung or do you want to be shocked anyway, you're watching and sunday and listening to gb news sunday with daubney loads with me. martin daubney loads more coming up today's more coming up on today's show. but it's dreaded word but next, it's the dreaded word ulez. first, let's check the ulez. but first, let's check the

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news. the people's channel. britain's news . news. the people's channel. britain's news. channel >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me, martin daubney on your tv, online and on your digital radio. next debate , the digital radio. next debate, the ulez expansion comes into effect this tuesday. in fact , midnight this tuesday. in fact, midnight on monday. if your vehicle doesn't meet the ulez emission standards and isn't exempt, then you need to pay a daily £12.5 charge to drive anywhere within the zone. and that's all of greater london all the way out to the home counties now. but many aren't happy with the scheme as they see it, as a shameless cash grab . cash grab shameless cash grab. cash grab by mayor sidique khan. well, joining me now is senior

lecturer in sustainable construction and climate change and a great friend of the show, john grant. hello to you, john. it's always a pleasure . so ulez it's always a pleasure. so ulez comes in midnight monday and there's been a lot of talk around the claims and the science, so let's run through a bit of it. mayor khan said 4000 lives are lost every year and foi proved it's one only life in 20 years. actually with pollution on the death certificate . but khan claimed certificate. but khan claimed a 29% reduction in nitrous oxide in the first six months of ulez . but an imperial college report said actually it was 3. khan then had the report redacted , so then had the report redacted, so it stacked up in his favour. you also counts all of know two, but only a third maximum come from vehicles. he also claimed only 10% of vehicles will pay the rac said actually it's 25. most of all, an independent report commissioned and paid for by khan only found five positive impacts of ulez out of 38 exams

and 22 negative of the most of all is that ulez would have a disproportionate financial impact on people with low incomes, the disabled and young families. with all of that evidence in hand, john, can we just agree that this isn't about clean air, it's about cleaning out people's wallets ? the this out people's wallets? the this is about a last ditch attempt of trying to push back against the society that's engineered for cars and it should be accepted that cars are not benign. >> nobody would want to sit in a car in an unventilated room. >> they produce pollution. the challenge , of course, is what challenge, of course, is what you've just outlined is that it is viciously hard to apply the emissions of a single car to the harm of a single person. >> but think also we can agree is that cars are polluting

machinery that are causing harm to people , both by breathing in to people, both by breathing in those emissions, but also on a wider issue with regards to this climate emergency transport is a third of the carbon emissions that that we're trying to push back on. >> so yes, it's a notoriously hard and i'm not i'm not an evangelical supporter of the ultra low emission zone i think there are much better ways that we could have applied on this. um fortunately all of those have been tied up using other government policies . so, you government policies. so, you know, the idea of running buses or bus service funded by the people for people is just impossible in a in a private sort of system . the idea of sort of system. the idea of maybe rationing the amount of, of , of journeys you have for of, of journeys you have for free and then paying beyond that, you know, to try and push that, you know, to try and push that back. so, you know, it is hard to argue that this isn't

about making money. local authorities. i believe, do want to make our air clearer. i mean, 6.7 million people across the world do die of air pollution . world do die of air pollution. and, you know, 99% of us live in areas that breach the world health organisation's minimum standards for air quality . so standards for air quality. so something needs to be done . and something needs to be done. and for me , the ulez idea would be for me, the ulez idea would be at the end of that programme, not a big stick that you start a reduced car programme . but you reduced car programme. but you know, i was on your show a few months ago talking about act cities, 15 minute cities and you know, it was very, very clear for people don't want that either . ehhen >> so you know to you it's like where is that solution in business as usual is not going to do it well i think i think what people want is a choice. and there was a lack of consultation on this. and i guess the choice they will have is at next year's mayoral

election. but look, these this scheme is going to raise £500 million a year, half £1 billion, john, an idea which of course is going to catch on. it already has in oxford, in bath, in bradford, in sheffield, in birmingham and bristol, portsmouth, newcastle . upon portsmouth, newcastle. upon tyne. dundee. tyne. aberdeen. dundee. birmingham and glasgow. and it will come to a town near you soon because let's face it , be soon because let's face it, be honest, the environment is honest, john, the environment is just now the easiest way to tax people into into into poverty. and this own report here says it disproportionately affects the poorest and the disabled hardest. how do you defend such a scheme ? a scheme? >> well, as i said , you know, it >> well, as i said, you know, it is hard to define . and the ulez is hard to define. and the ulez green scheme , but we cannot green scheme, but we cannot ignore that we have to push back against car use . this is part of against car use. this is part of against car use. this is part of a sophisticated society . i was a sophisticated society. i was in the netherlands and there they say an advanced society isn't one where people drive .

isn't one where people drive. it's where rich people use pubuc it's where rich people use public transport and this is what we're missing here. it's all about the sick at the moment. and i get why people are upset. you know, there are people out there who need their cars for work, but there are also people out there who have got children that have got asthma or they've breathing asthma or they've got breathing problems themselves. and they have a right to clean air. and we have to push that. and like i said, i would prefer us to use other options to push for that cleaner air. but we've been forced into between a rock and a hard place here that the local authorities, this is all they've got and they're kind of desperate. what they're going to do with that money is going to be really quite interesting because i would like to see that recycled into the a, you know, it's paying people to upgrade their cars or or ideally make cities that don't need cars. >> yeah, john, we're going to have to leave it there. always a pleasure and never a chore.

thanks for joining pleasure and never a chore. thanks forjoining us. we don't have long enough to go into the detail this, but matthew, detail of this, but matthew, let's to you now on let's come back to you now on the panel. he's got a point, hasn't he? it's at the moment, it's carrot. all stick. it's all carrot. it's all stick. and carrot. now we're being and no carrot. now we're being fined. we're being forced off roads. it won't the roads. it won't affect the richest. simply richest. they'll simply buy electric they'll electric vehicle or they'll pay the irrespective. but the £125, irrespective. but when report, it when sadiq khan's own report, it says that will says that this will disproportionately hammer the poorest , the disabled young poorest, the disabled and young families , what moral, what moral families, what moral, what moral right do we have to introduce ulez so first of all, it'd be really interesting to see what happens at the next mayoral elections, because if you listen to gb news, if you read some of the media, this the most the media, this is the most unpopular ever. unpopular mayor ever. >> and yet i suspect that he will romp home. that's that's will romp home. so that's that's something . secondly, something to consider. secondly, just a couple quick just a couple of very quick facts we about facts before we talk about specifically going on specifically what's going on with it's a really with ulez. and it's a really interesting conversation. facts, the getting hotter. the world is getting hotter. fact we are contributing to the world, getting hotter. fact air quality in london. and i'm a born and bred londoner. i live in london. is very poor. i can

smell it. i can i can sort of almost taste it. those are facts . is ulez the answer ? it's much . is ulez the answer? it's much more difficult because it seems that with extending ulez, it's not going to make that much of a difference. and i also have to say i do have a problem with the way that the mayor is using the science, talking about it costing 4000 lives actually is a little misleading. well, it's actually more than that. >> it seems to be an outright fabrication. rakhi >> well, i think that the mayor is incredibly selective when it comes to the evidence and the data as well. i think that we saw with the recent uxbridge and south ruislip byelection when that was a by—election, that labour should have won, be labour should have won, to be honest. i think the reason honest. and i think the reason why didn't, there why they didn't, i think there was degree of local was a strong degree of local opposition to the expansion of ulez . and what's really ulez. and what's really interesting is that you interesting is that when you look at constituency like that, matthew or no, that's not a fully urbanised constituency. there's areas there which you would almost describe as semi—rural with public semi—rural with limited public

transportation services . and i transportation services. and i think that's the point. think think that's the point. i think that many these eco that many of these eco initiatives, as you say, they disproportionately impact relatively groups . and relatively deprived groups. and what i want to see is that if you want people to reject car ownership, then maybe provide them healthy and attractive them with healthy and attractive to there. to intervene there. >> to carry this >> but i want to carry this debate after the news because there's talk about, you there's too much talk about, you watching. listen to news watching. you listen to gb news a&e daubney. a&e with me, martin daubney. here's with . lisa here's the news with. lisa >> it's 232. i'm lisa hartle in the newsroom. russian investing doctors say genetic tests confirm that yevgeny prigozhin died in a plane crash on wednesday. the wagner boss was on the passenger list of a private jet that crashed north of moscow. months after a failed rebellion against russia's military. mikhail kasyanov was prime minister of russia from 2000 until 2004. he told gb news that prigozhin had put unforgivable pressure on putin

over his management of the war in ukraine. >> prigozhin always was a criminal and continued to be a criminal and continued to be a criminal till the end, and his, i would say, pressure on putin was not forgivable by putin. it was not forgivable by putin. it was clear for me since the first day of this mutiny that prigozhin will not leave long. i didn't expect , of course, that didn't expect, of course, that he would be killed and in such a demonstrative way as putin did. but definitely that was inevitable . and nadine dorries inevitable. and nadine dorries says the prime minister has whipped up a public frenzy against her in a blistering resignation letter, the former minister accused rishi sunak of demeaning his office by criticising her. >> she said that the prime minister has abandoned the 2019 election manifesto , which was election manifesto, which was published before boris johnson won an 80 seat majority . a won an 80 seat majority. a by—election will now take place in the usually safe tory seat of mid bedfordshire . firefighters mid bedfordshire. firefighters say the government has shown

callous, disregard, disregard for the safety of those on board the bibby stockholm barge. the fire brigades union has sent a pre—action protocol letter to home secretary suella braverman outlining its concerns over safety aboard the vessel , which safety aboard the vessel, which is currently docked at dorset's portland port. the union previously branded the barge a potential death trap. it's now demanding a response to its legal letter by thursday , you legal letter by thursday, you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com now it's back to . gbnews.com now it's back to. martin and thanks for that update. >> thank you very much, lisa. well, back to ulez with dr. ricky wilson and matthew stadlen. so before the break, matthew, we were talking about this. this one, i think is a key, key point. and the most unpopular is fact that unpopular point is the fact that ulez disproportionately ulez will disproportionately impact poorest, the disabled impact the poorest, the disabled and the youngest. you want to pick up on that point? >> yeah, because think it's

>> yeah, because i think it's really, that as really, really important that as we move towards cleaner technologies, as we move, i hope towards cleaner air and as we all play our part in tackling climate change, which as i said earlier, is a widely established fact , it is the absolute fact, it is the absolute responsibility of those who rule us. whether that's local government. in the case of the mayor of london or the national government, to protect those, do their very best to protect those who are most vulnerable and inevitably that is people on the lowest incomes, those people who really need to use their cars for whatever reason, we have to make sure that the support is there to make that transition . there to make that transition. on fair. does it mean that you don't want to introduce these sorts of schemes, but it has to be done properly and responsibly and that's why scrutiny and including by you and others on gb news is important. >> i agree with that. and reiki, one of the key points, you know, bearin one of the key points, you know, bear in mind that sadiq khan commissioned this report himself. he paid for it. a report by jacobs solutions and american independent

professional services firm. they came back with 22 negative impacts out of 38, only five positive impacts of ulez. and again , that one about it again, that one about it hammering the poorest, the hardest came out top. i agree with matthew that's wrong. how can we sort that out? because khan scrappage scheme at the moment is £2,000. that wouldn't get you a couple of tires on electric car. so what do we do to help the poorest or is the scheme itself just completely flawed and should be scrapped? >> well, i think that matthew alluded to this earlier that the scheme of its expansion scheme in terms of its expansion into outer london, the benefits are and i think are minimal at best. and i think that gives rise to these accusations that the mayor is facing, this is ultimately facing, that this is ultimately a exercise. a revenue generating exercise. well i want to see if you want to reduce car ownership in the country large . i think, for country at large. i think, for example, you have incentivise example, you have to incentivise the cleaner the purchase of cleaner vehicles. i think as you vehicles. and i think as you say, you look these eco say, when you look at these eco initiatives, need to be initiatives, they need to be done the spirit of fairness , done in the spirit of fairness, because all too often at the moment i see of these

moment i see a lot of these environmental they have moment i see a lot of these e|disproportionately they have moment i see a lot of these e|disproportionately negative' have a disproportionately negative impact are the most impact on those who are the most economically i >> -- >> and also, where does the money if it's going to raise money go if it's going to raise half a half a billion quid? beg your pardon? £500 million per yeah your pardon? £500 million per year. of money, your pardon? £500 million per year. that of money, your pardon? £500 million per year. that could money, your pardon? £500 million per year. that could pay ey, your pardon? £500 million per year. that could pay for matthew. that could pay for better buses. that could pay for an incentivised scrappage scheme. moment, scheme. but at the moment, there's that it goes there's a feeling that it goes on. things like free school meals for sadiq khan, which cost £150 million. so he's effectively buying influence and credit and votes if people could see where the money was going and there was a clear throughput to helping the poorest , the to helping the poorest, the disabled, they'd be much more on board with him. >> they well, we all need to know where our money that we're taxed on in whatever form it is, whether it's because we drive in london because we're paying london or because we're paying our gains our income tax, capital gains tax, whatever is we all want tax, whatever it is we all want to know where that money is going. got no reason going. i've got no reason to suggest the money is being suggest that the money is being used sort of nefarious used in some sort of nefarious way but i come way by the mayor. but i come back to this point that if you're going to move forwards to progressively things like

progressively tackle things like clean air, we all want cleaner air. martin none of us want our children up a city children growing up in a city where air is toxic because where the air is toxic because that really is it's not just unpleasant on a daily basis, but it is dangerous, perhaps not as dangerous made out dangerous as it's being made out to be, but it is dangerous if we want move forward want to move forward progressively. have to look progressively. we have to look after the most vulnerable. >> jens, we'll to >> okay, jens, we'll have to leave it there on that point. but we've the but stick around. we've got the big donald trump. donald big one. donald trump. donald trump become first trump has become the first former in us history former president in us history to fingerprints and to have his fingerprints and mugshot taken. the image was released after he released minutes after he was booked more a dozen booked on more than a dozen charges georgia. he then charges in georgia. he then posted the photo on formerly known as twitter, as well as his campaign website with an appeal for donations. campaign website with an appeal for donations . the republican for donations. the republican frontrunner for next year's presidential election claims the charges against him are politically motivated . well, politically motivated. well, joining me now is amy tarkanian, former chair , woman of the former chair, woman of the nevada republican party . hello nevada republican party. hello there and thanks for joining nevada republican party. hello there and thanks forjoining us, there and thanks for joining us, amy. a dramatic state of affairs. it always is with

donald trump. first of all, he shunned the debate on terrestrial tv cable, yet still dominated it. then he did his own exclusive with tucker carlson . he'd been seen carlson. he'd been seen a quarter of a billion times in a matter of days. and then he made that mugshot probably one of the most defining images in political history. and a huge fund raiser . political history. and a huge fund raiser. the big question is this can anybody stop donald trump ? trump? >> it it doesn't seem that way. and unfortunately , we i think and unfortunately, we i think it's a lose lose situation here for the united states of america. >> we've got a current president who isn't quite all there. and falling apart before our very eyes cognitively and then we have president trump who you know, with all of his his troubles that surround him, he just seems to get more and more support and his and his followers are quite adamant, i

mean, that mugshot alone, i think they said that he raised $7.1 million within 24 hours as it's an astonishing moment where it's an astonishing moment where it takes a certain chutzpah, doesn't it? >> and a certain business, business acumen to turn something like that, which would sink many other people into a huge fund raising moment. and it's already become a defiant image. do you think , amy, that image. do you think, amy, that would be an image that motivates the republican base? never surrender, never give up , dig surrender, never give up, dig in. and is this going to be the making of trump rather than his end ? end? >> yes , yes to all of that, >> yes, yes to all of that, actually. and you'll you'll see now that people have created fake mug shots of themselves in solidarity of trump's mug shot. so their photos shopping, their own photos into the fulton county mugshot apparatus . and county mugshot apparatus. and the whole thing is just ludicrous. it it's completely

perplexing to me that he continues to grow . continues to grow. >> so a strong support base when , as you said, just one of those indictments would would end someone's career. >> amy, i want to ask you one final point. if i could. i'm fascinated by the splintering of the american media. we're seeing it in the uk. in fact, that's why gb news was launched. how how important do you think is it that donald trump shunned altogether either the fox debate , he's shunning altogether what he calls the fake news media, and he's going on to twitter as it is now with tucker carlson . it is now with tucker carlson. trump is becoming the new source . he's going around the establishment media. how vital do you think that will be to the next presidential election ? next presidential election? >> well, he even showed that from the get go when he was actually first elected instead of going on to the networks to do his first 100 days, which typically see a president will

go on a network of their choosing and display what their plan is. and instead, he went on youtube and did his first 100 days. so he's a mastermind at at being able to get around the news and still be the news. >> they need him more than he needs them. >> amy, superb. so thank you so much for joining >> amy, superb. so thank you so much forjoining us live from much for joining us live from nevada for that input. i'll tell you what, whatever you think out there, it won't be a dull moment in the next presidential race. now, let's come back to our panel dr. jacobson, panel now. dr. jacobson, of course, matthew stadlen extraordinary affairs. extraordinary state of affairs. you'd no less donald you'd expect no less from donald trump . anything that's happened trump. anything that's happened to anybody else would have destroyed their career, destroyed their career, destroyed their career, destroyed their future . is trump destroyed their future. is trump just made of teflon ? just made of teflon? >> well, i think it's absolutely remarkable what we're seeing across the pond . but i think across the pond. but i think what this really shows is that it's not so much about trump. this is more about the wider american political system. i think there's a real obsession with personalities. i think that the us itself is bitterly

polarised and deeply divisive live, especially when it comes to matters of identity politics and the so—called culture wars. so i think the one thing i'd say from a british perspective live is that i don't want those influence is being imported into the british political system. but unfortunately , i do see but unfortunately, i do see trend already aren't they trend already here, aren't they ? think. i think trend already here, aren't they ? increasinglyhink. ithink trend already here, aren't they ? increasingly that i think that increasingly that importation weakening the importation is weakening the quality of our own politics. and i don't want see that at all. i don't want to see that at all. >> matthew, as somebody who doesn't like trump, how does it make see this this make you feel to see this this guy, he's like the terminator. he doesn't they just can't he just doesn't they just can't seem stop no matter what seem to stop him no matter what they at him. just comes they throw at him. he just comes back with his eyes gleaming red to haunt liberals and haunt democrats. how do you stop this guy? no, think it's a very good >> no, i think it's a very good question. you've people question. and you've got people speculating happens if speculating what happens if trump prison? would his trump goes to prison? would his first acts as president if he becomes president, be to pardon first acts as president if he becchimself sident, be to pardon first acts as president if he becchimself ?dent, be to pardon first acts as president if he becchimself ? but, be to pardon first acts as president if he becchimself ? but you to pardon first acts as president if he becc himself ? but you just ardon first acts as president if he becc himself ? but you just can't him himself? but you just can't in our our political system, in our in our political system, you simply can't imagine it with rikki neave here, i want to see as little of this stuff

filtering across the atlantic as possible. i mean, i look at trump and i think he's degraded pubuc trump and i think he's degraded public office the way that he talks about people, the way that he the conducts he behaves, the way he conducts himself. me quite himself. he looks to me quite often the toddler who's had often like the toddler who's had his rattle confiscated and yet somehow, as you rightly say , a somehow, as you rightly say, a mug shot can be used to energise the base almost like nothing else. i am horrified , by the else. i am horrified, by the way, as someone who would be a democrat if i lived in the united states, that joe biden is almost certainly going to go up against donald trump for the next election. i stayed up all night. he's going to win. well, i stayed up. he would win. i stayed up all night last time, desperately hoping biden would win. and of course, i'd want biden this time to stop biden to win this time to stop trump. do i have confidence trump. but do i have confidence in biden? i have confidence in biden? do i have confidence in biden? do i have confidence in biden's cognitive abilities? not raqeeb i think not hugely raqeeb well, i think that biden's mental fitness leaves a lot to be desired if truth told. truth be told. >> think there are similar >> and i think there are similar dynamics here in the us and the uk that you may have some voters who vote democrat who they'll vote democrat ultimately trump . it's

ultimately to stop trump. it's not positive choice. and not a positive choice. and i think it's a bit similar here that you may have a good number of voters here the that of voters here in the uk that would labour party, would vote for the labour party, not because they feel it's a positive choice and they trust the labour when it comes the labour party when it comes to and seeing to competence and seeing the best own country, but best in their own country, but rather about pushing the rather it's about pushing the conservative 13 years of conservative after 13 years of tory will win? tory led rule, who will win? >> think biden will but >> i think biden will win, but i certainly wouldn't be. if i were a betting man. i wouldn't be putting money that at all. putting no money on that at all. >> there we go. it's one >> well, there we go. it's one that's going to be whatever you think it, it's going to be think of it, it's going to be one heck of a spectacle. thanks, gents. up on gents. lots more coming up on today's payments for mps today's show. payments for mps who their seats step who lose their seats or step down in next general down in the next general election doubled. election also be doubled. handing £17,300 of handing them £17,300 of taxpayers this handing them £17,300 of taxroners this handing them £17,300 of taxron the this handing them £17,300 of taxron the taxpayer this handing them £17,300 of taxron the taxpayer ? this handing them £17,300 of taxron the taxpayer ? i'm1is handing them £17,300 of taxron the taxpayer ? i'm martin fair on the taxpayer? i'm martin dalby and you're watching and listening news, britain's listening to gb news, britain's news

through until 7:00 this evening. gb news is the people's. through until 7:00 this evening. gb news is the people's . channel gb news is the people's. channel >> welcome back to evening saturday with myself, martin daubney on your tv online, and of course, your digital radio. now, payments for mps who lose their seats will step down at their seats will step down at the next general election. that's going to be a lot of them all to be done bold, which means they'll be handed £7,300 of your money. yeah. the tax payer is going to fit that bill. it's provided to help them close down their offices and manage the departure of their staff. the last general election departing mps were paid for two months after losing their seats. however, the independent

parliamentary standards authority ipso , which sets the authority ipso, which sets the rules for mps expense powers, has said that this is not long enough and that the time period should be increased to four months. well, let's see what my panel think of this. i'm still joined, of course, by matthew stadlen and dr. raqeeb hassan. so, chaps, four months for doing diddly squat. matthew, is that a good use of taxpayers money? >> the key word there was independent. so this is an independent. so this is an independent body. so this is not mps feathering their own nests. we have to absolutely clear we have to be absolutely clear about because mps lot about that because mps get a lot of stick and this is not their fault. even if you think it's too much money and you pointed out in the break that this happensin out in the break that this happens in the in the european union as well. it's not union as well. so it's not specific to this country. i imagine just reading about imagine just reading up about this, it takes quite a lot imagine just reading up about thitime it takes quite a lot imagine just reading up about thitime tot takes quite a lot imagine just reading up about thitime to assemble ite a lot imagine just reading up about thitime to assemble an a lot imagine just reading up about thitime to assemble an office to of time to assemble an office to help people move on in your office when you stop becoming an mp to broaden the conversation out. i think it's a really interesting question to ask whether should be paying mps

whether we should be paying mps a more. a lot of a little bit more. a lot of people will cry outrage at that, but of course if we pay a bit more, there's an argument to suggest you might higher suggest you might get higher quality no , i think that's >> mccabe no, i think that's a fair point. i think naturally a lot of people find that lot of people would find that point objectionable because we're middle of a of we're in the middle of a cost of living do living crisis. yes, but i do think we are far too many think that we are far too many mps, quite frankly, sitting in the that is the commons. that is, that is their ultimate opportunity to have paid salary. have a fairly well paid salary. they wouldn't be able to attain that salary working in that kind of salary working in the private sector, for example, or in the wider market economy. so i do think there's a debate to be had there if you want to attract a higher quality, hyper capability , kind mp , then capability, any kind of mp, then perhaps have perhaps we have to have a discussion about pay. >> other quick thing to say >> the other quick thing to say about this is that if we want to live in a world where mps don't have second, third jobs and so forth, the way to discourage thatis forth, the way to discourage that is to pay people more in the first place. yeah but i wonder if people there wonder if people out there watching this will let us know. >> do you think it takes four months close an office? i

months to close an office? i mean, this mean, i've been through this process, say, when i was process, as you say, when i was a brexit party i got two a brexit party mep, i got two months pay and all i did was just say, well, thank you very much. you know, maybe there's some in that, we some hypocrisy in that, but we were voting for were turkeys voting for christmas, and then lockdown came. a bit money christmas, and then lockdown ca tide a bit money christmas, and then lockdown ca tide me a bit money christmas, and then lockdown ca tide me over. a bit money to tide me over. >> the money. of course i did. >> the money. of course i did. >> took it and run. i was >> i took it and run. i was i was voted in to go and take the paycheque rather than a remainer mep. was vote. but for mep. that was my vote. but for four months to wind down the office, i think it's taken the mickey. it doesn't take four months the months to wind down the contract. take on contract. typically you take on a term of contract, which is a rolling monthly office. rolling monthly on an office. staff on same. staff will be on the same. i think it's three months money for doing anything. for not doing anything. >> i think there's >> yeah, i think there's a debate for four debate that perhaps for four months generous. months is overly generous. >> back to the point i >> yeah, but back to the point i think you raise a great point about quality of public about the quality of public servants. getting by servants. we all getting by paying servants. we all getting by paying salary, which, let's paying a salary, which, let's face probably three times face it, is probably three times higher than the national average salary. ordinary people salary. a lot of ordinary people think, they're think, well, they're paid too much anyway, but we much anyway, but are we attracting mediocrity by, for example, gary lineker? we all always his money.

always complain about his money. well we have match the well we have to match the private sector. the public private sector. so the public sector the best talent. is sector gets the best talent. is there that? there an argument for that? we've got be paying top end we've got to be paying top end private sector money make private sector money to make sure the best brains? and sure we get the best brains? and what brains we need what better brains do we need than in the blooming country? >> supportive broadly >> i'm supportive of mps broadly because sides, because because from all sides, because i basically most people go i think basically most people go into politics. you put yourself out you get lot of out there, you get a lot of hate. most people go into politics for the right reasons. they want to make the world a better whatever their better place, whatever their politics. there'd few politics. i think there'd be few people suggest that people who would suggest that this particularly strong this is a particularly strong crop it's sort crop of mps. you say it's sort of three times the national average salary? absolutely but you private you mentioned the private sector, lot of these sector, too. a lot of these people some of them at least, people, some of them at least, are bright enough to be going and really well and getting really, really well paid private sector. paid jobs in the private sector. >> is that another point, >> well, is that another point, though, because can't though, rakhi? because i can't help that people like help but feel that people like sajid kwasi , kwarteng, not sajid javid kwasi, kwarteng, not just labour, but a lot of not labour too treat being an mp labour mps too treat being an mp as the first stage of them going into the private sector and making a packet. so are they taking less money now because

they know it'll be happy days down the line? >> well, i think there is the possibility that that certain politicians, see politicians, they say they see it as a stepping stone potentially of, you potentially in terms of, you know, secure for a know, managing to secure for a really well paid financial role in future for. but i think in the future for. but i think i think matthew has a point that at the moment i think we would i think all three of us would agree that the current crop of mps are not of a particularly high standard. and i think we need to have a debate at least as that's the case. as to why that's the case. >> to >> final word to you. >> final word to you. >> it might be the other way round someone like sajid round with someone like sajid javid or rishi sunak. these guys have lot of money. i have made a lot of money. i think right in saying about think i'm right in saying about sajid javid, certainly sajid javid, but certainly about rishi go. in the rishi before they go. in the case someone like boris case of someone like boris johnson, that has definitely been launch because isn't been a launch pad because isn't he now making millions? he is chaps, it there. >> it's been a great show. thanks for joining it's been thanks forjoining us. it's been a debate. you've been a wonderful debate. you've been watching and listening to gb news sunday with me. martin daubney, much daubney, thank you so much for joining me this afternoon. and don't though, don't go anywhere, though, because darren is up because darren grimes is up next. but here's your

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