shadow bedfordshire. labour's shadow secretary for women and equalities, anneliese dodds, told gb news that nadine dorries makes some valid points , makes some valid points, although i disagree with nadine dorries on many things. >> when she says that we currently have a zombie parliament and when she asks what rishi sunak stands for and what rishi sunak stands for and what he has achieved, i think many people will be saying they don't understand and either and i think this is incredibly damaging when , you know, as we damaging when, you know, as we know, our country's in the middle of a cost of living crisis, we have a crisis in our nhs crisis of crime on our streets. and yet we seem to have a zombie government that just can't get grip . can't get a grip. >> firefighters the >> firefighters say the government has shown callous disregard for the safety of those on board the bibby stockholm barge. the fire brigades union has sent a pre—action protocol letter to the home secretary outlining its concerns over safety aboard the vessel, which is currently docked at dorset's portland port. the union previously branded the barge a potential death trap. it's now demanding a

response to its legal letter by by thursday , russian by thursday, russian investigators say genetics tests confirm yevgeny prigozhin died in a plane crash on wednesday . in a plane crash on wednesday. the wagner boss was on the passenger list of a private jet that crashed north of moscow. months after a failed rebellion against russia's military. mikhail yasinov was prime minister of russia from 2000 until 2004. he told gb news this morning that prigozhin had put unforgivable pressure on putin over his management of the ukraine war. a breach in the police's it system could cause incalculable damage in the wrong hands. that's according to the police federation. scotland yard says it's aware of unauthorised access to the it system of one of its suppliers as they're now working with the company to ascertain whether data may have been breached . the company had been breached. the company had access names, ranks, photos , access to names, ranks, photos, vetting levels and pay numbers , vetting levels and pay numbers, but not personal details such as

addresses . and finally , addresses. and finally, residents of a road in london, which avoids the ulez charge say they're being offered a £100 a month by people hoping to avoid the emission fee. people living along moor lane in chessington are being asked by motorists to use their driveways while the road remains charge free, turning off at any point would incur the £12.50 daily fee for non—compliant vehicles. the expansion of ulez aims to improve air quality and from tuesday will be expanded into greater london. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to free speech station . speech station. >> donald trump's mugshot goes viral a terrible pun wins best joke of the edinburgh fringe and nadine dorries goes out in a blaze of glory. this is free speech nation . who welcome to

speech nation. who welcome to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. this is the show where we take a look at culture current affairs and politics and of course we'll have the latest from those lovable culture warriors. no chance of them taking any time off over the summer holidays. afraid. but summer holidays. i'm afraid. but coming the show tonight, coming up on the show tonight, would government be would a labour government be a threat gender critical free threat to gender critical free speech? asking that speech? i'll be asking that question campaigner maya question to campaigner maya forstater and mark glendinning from the institute of economic affairs. the family of former pm william gladstone have apologised for their ancestors links to the slave trade . a links to the slave trade. a worthwhile and heartfelt gesture or ludicrous virtue, signalling . joining me to debate this will be author tim stanley and activist femi nylander and trans ideology has even reached iceland. we're going to be heafing iceland. we're going to be hearing about how the former prime minister of the country had to help an lgbt organisation stage a conference after other venues forced to cancel it venues were forced to cancel it . and course, myself and my

. and of course, myself and my fantastic panel will be answering questions from our delightful studio audience . my delightful studio audience. my studio this evening are studio guests this evening are bruce and frances foster bruce devlin and frances foster , who are both obe. you know, i've been in miami, so look how you just dropped that drop, that it wasn't even subtle. i just threw it down like an anvil. >> yeah, you did. >> yeah, you did. >> what have you been doing? >> what have you been doing? >> i have been perusing the comments on my youtube channel. >> never do it. never look below the line. >> i know. you know what? somebody they nailed somebody said, too? they nailed me actually. me beautifully, actually. they said that someone wrote underneath one my interviews underneath one of my interviews about this man looks like about me this man looks like louis theroux brain damage. louis theroux with brain damage. interesting god , i'm sorry. interesting god, i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry for writing that. i couldn't resist it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> bruce, how have you. what have you been up to? >> i have been in a social threesome with two women i know maureen lipman and rula lenska . maureen lipman and rula lenska. i met them last night. >> no, i've always wanted to meet rula and maureen lipman. >> maureen lipman? because i kind staggered and kind of staggered over and i said to her, i said, do you

remember victoria wood remember that victoria wood sketch did about being sketch that you did about being divorced whoever? the divorced with whoever? and the instant the instant mashed potato and the hamsters cage and she hamsters in the cage and she went, no. and i said, well, fine. it was some of your best work, some of you might want to fine. it was some of your best wo and ome of you might want to fine. it was some of your best wo and watch: you might want to fine. it was some of your best wo and watch it ou might want to fine. it was some of your best wo and watch it and1ight want to fine. it was some of your best wo and watch it and nott want to fine. it was some of your best wo and watch it and not be ant to fine. it was some of your best wo and watch it and not be so to ungrateful. >> so you managed to offend her immediately? no, she was fine. >> a bit needy. i said >> rula was a bit needy. i said i can imagine rula being a bit needy. >> but if you imitate a cat, she'll be fine with that. you remember when she did that with george do, yeah. george galloway? oh, i do, yeah. it great television it was great. great television moment. should all watch it. moment. you should all watch it. it's on youtube. it's fantastic. anyway, to get some anyway, we're going to get some questions our lovely questions from our lovely audience. question questions from our lovely audiencis question questions from our lovely audiencis from question questions from our lovely audiencis from william.tion questions from our lovely audiencis from william and tonight is from william and where is. hi, where is william? who is. hi, william. hello hello, hello. william. hi. hello hello, hello. >> you know, you should be at the football. i'm going >> you know, you should be at th> you know, you should be at th> you know, you should be at th> done. >> well done. >> well done. >> done. francis. you're >> well done. francis. you're a psychic. now, tell us, william, what's question? what's your question? >> do you think donald trump will to jail? will go to jail? >> ah, well, so, you know, this mug shot, donald trump, he's back twitter or x, we're back on twitter or x, as we're calling it now. and posted calling it now. and he's posted this shot. see it

this mug shot. we can see it right there. it's a very defiant sort of mug shot, isn't it? and it's gone viral. i think it might viral of might be the most viral tweet of all francis, is an all time. francis, this is an odd because this was meant odd one because this was meant to humiliate donald trump, wasn't that the whole wasn't it? that was the whole point. getting wasn't it? that was the whole pointshot, getting wasn't it? that was the whole pointshot, you getting wasn't it? that was the whole pointshot, you know, getting wasn't it? that was the whole pointshot, you know, saying this mug shot, you know, saying this is someone could never be is someone who could never be president. you know what? they've merch based they've been selling merch based on this mug he's made over on this mug shot. he's made over $7 towards election $7 million towards his election campaign. it's kind of backfired, didn't it? >> is thing with >> but this is the thing with trump. can't do. you you trump. you can't do. you you can't use normal political tactics against no, tactics against trump. no, because basically because trump is basically a stand comedian. yeah do you stand up comedian. yeah do you remember said remember when he when they said about, said all fat about, oh, you said all fat women ugly ? and he went, no, women are ugly? and he went, no, just rosie o'donnell . oh, just rosie o'donnell. oh, unbelievable. and then he got a huge laugh and everyone loved him. you he you can't do it. him. you go, he you can't do it. >> it is true, bruce. he's kind of impervious i used to. of impervious because i used to. i'm he's back on twitter i'm glad he's back on twitter because i find his tweets really funny, him funny, right? know, i find him terrifying as a world leader. but, you know, if he did an edinburgh fringe i'd be edinburgh fringe show, i'd be i'd for would i'd be well up for it would probably sell i would think probably sell out. i would think so, yes. >> it could be behind the hair.

>> it could be behind the hair. >> that would be a great title. >> that would be a great title. >> yeah. but i actually think he would have more success >> yeah. but i actually think he wouljust have more success >> yeah. but i actually think he wouljust the have more success >> yeah. but i actually think he wouljust the hairpiece,ore success with just the hairpiece, probably if he just narrated the hairpiece not hairpiece because he's not particularly to look particularly pleasant to look at. no safe at. there's kind of no safe place your eyes place for you to rest your eyes with seriously. so i would with that seriously. so i would be be interested in watching be i'd be interested in watching the wig. >> do think he will go to >> do you think he will go to jail, bruce? >> do you think he will go to jail i bruce? >> do you think he will go to jaili have? >> do you think he will go to jaili have no idea. and you know >> i have no idea. and you know what? really not bothered. >> i have no idea. and you know wh.can really not bothered. >> i have no idea. and you know wh.can do really not bothered. >> i have no idea. and you know wh.can do what not bothered. >> i have no idea. and you know wh.can do what het bothered. >> i have no idea. and you know wh.can do what he likes.ered. >> i have no idea. and you know wh.can do what he likes. he's he can do what he likes. he's not in my life anymore. we fell out a couple of years ago. i know he owes a phone call as well. >> actually, francis, what do you of this, though? you you think of this, though? you know, criminal charges. is know, criminal charges. it is conceivable realise conceivable i didn't realise this, that the president run conceivable i didn't realise thia that the president run conceivable i didn't realise thia guy: the president run conceivable i didn't realise thia guy can president run conceivable i didn't realise thia guy can run sident run conceivable i didn't realise thia guy can run forent run conceivable i didn't realise thia guy can run for presidentn or a guy can run for president from from a jail cell. yeah. i mean, america. so why is is mean, america. so why is why is american so gangster? american politics so gangster? like, you know, guy running like, you know, this guy running it jail and you've got joe it from jail and you've got joe biden son who, you biden with his son who, you know, all of things. know, does all sorts of things. >> well, is what happens, >> well, this is what happens, mate, when you kick the british out country. exactly. out of your country. exactly. you anything. yeah you can't run anything. yeah they trusted. they can't be trusted. and obviously, british, obviously, by the british, i mean english. mean the english. >> yeah, clearly, clearly. >> yeah, well, clearly, clearly.

>> yeah, well, clearly, clearly. >> you imagine if >> look, could you imagine if theresa may that done theresa may not that she's done anything i think she'd be anything wrong, i think she'd be really in jail. i think really good in jail. i think she'd dog. she'd be top dog. >> what? i can totally >> you know what? i can totally see it. >> she'd be the one with the steam press. yeah yeah, she'd be saying wheat. i'm allergic. get out my face. >> got more attitude >> yeah, she's got more attitude than people do you than people realise. do you remember suits she than people realise. do you reme to er suits she than people realise. do you reme to wear? suits she than people realise. do you reme to wear? yeah suits she used to wear? yeah >> do you know something? although beauty, although not a natural beauty, she willowy figure that she has a willowy figure that clothes love. >> go. on to our next >> there we go. on to our next question from jared. i didn't see that one coming. jared, where's hi, jared. where's jared? hi, jared. hello. how where's jared? hi, jared. hello. hov good, thanks. where's jared? hi, jared. hello. hovgood, thanks. my where's jared? hi, jared. hello. hov good, thanks. my question where's jared? hi, jared. hello. hovgood, thanks. my question is, >> good, thanks. my question is, is now seen as a hobby is rioting now seen as a hobby for teenagers as well? >> i you're relatively >> i mean, you're relatively young. is rioting young. is this is rioting something you you do? young. is this is rioting sonoh,ing you you do? young. is this is rioting sonoh, only you you do? young. is this is rioting sonoh, only during you do? young. is this is rioting sonoh, only during business hours. >> yeah, but you're right, jared. this is an odd one, isn't it? because all these teenagers now, there's a couple of very young down here. young people down here. you might be able to explain this to us children us children. children effectively. it's very, very effectively. but it's very, very fashionable there's fashionable now. and there's been gone out been this video that's gone out on they're talking on tiktok and they're talking about going to nine about there's going to be nine different shops attack it, social what social unrest. you know, what happened know, just yo

happened to, you know, just yo yos you know, well , you know, yos or you know, well, you know, so they're going to attack shops. >> is this pretty much what we're talking about saying with tiktok? but don't worry about it, because if you run a bookshop, you're going to be absolutely fine. >> yeah, they won't go near that. >> they won't go near that because can't read. obviously >> look, they're good >> look, they're not good criminals bruce. mean, criminals either, bruce. i mean, the if you're planning the point is, if you're planning some kind as they some kind of chaos as they describe it, put it on describe it, don't put it on tiktok. >> why are giving people a >> why are you giving people a heads did not have heads up? and did we not have all this when blackberrys were the thing? do remember the the thing? do you remember the blackberry messenger? >> phones that you >> those are the phones that you tap with a pen. >> yes. >> yes. >> i'm so technological. yeah, you are. >> i'm so technological. yeah, youyeah. crackberry. were >> i'm so technological. yeah, you crackberry, berry. were >> i'm so technological. yeah, you crackberry, right. were >> i'm so technological. yeah, you crackberry, right. vand the crackberry, right. okay. and they trainers and they were stealing trainers and all kind of stuff. what all that kind of stuff. what shops targeting? well, shops are they targeting? well, anyway, sports. oh, shops are they targeting? well, any now. sports. oh, shops are they targeting? well, any now. there's sports. oh, shops are they targeting? well, any now. there's harveyi. oh, shops are they targeting? well, any now. there's harvey nichols not now. there's harvey nichols . right. oh, totally. i'd . you're right. oh, totally. i'd be out there going, what's cheap? yeah, but then cheap? come on. yeah, but then i'd use my recognition i'd still use my recognition app. the points. app. i'd want the points. >> it is a worry, though, >> it is. it is a worry, though, isn't it, bruce? mean, isn't it, bruce? i mean, the point that, look, this new point is that, look, this new trend, it's gone beyond pranks. it's criminality.

it's gone to now criminality. i mean, overstepping mean, that's overstepping the line, surely. mean, that's overstepping the linewell, ly. mean, that's overstepping the linewell, we were discussing >> well, we were discussing that the headline. it the other night on headline. it says that guys at mizzi. mizzi, yes. he's been stealing people's dogs that. yeah. take a dogs and all that. yeah. take a hammer is like a hammer to him. it is like a hammer. just him the face. >> yeah, that would solve something, wouldn't it? although i don't violence, i don't endorse violence, i should >> no. >> no. >> in certain instances though, particularly in case, you particularly in this case, you want solution an want the glaswegian solution an absolutely . absolutely yes. >> okay. well, we've got we've got a question now from ishmael. do we an ishmael? yeah. hi, do we have an ishmael? yeah. hi, ishmael. hello. >> evening. should only ishmael. hello. >> modelsing. should only ishmael. hello. >> models be. should only ishmael. hello. >> models be allowed only funds models be allowed to advertise billboards? funds models be allowed to adeeah. billboards? funds models be allowed to adeeah. thisillboards? funds models be allowed to adeeah. this is boards? funds models be allowed to adeeah. this is really? >> yeah. this is really interesting. so these big adverts for apparently adverts for onlyfans apparently this particular model, actually, eliza rose watson, it's been cleared. so she put up this advert and it wasn't particularly provocative. i saw this i don't know if this advert. i don't know if we've got a picture, but it was the, the advertising standard. they complaints basically, the, the advertising standard. they advertising;basically, the, the advertising standard. they advertising standards and the advertising standards agency absolutely agency said it's absolutely fine. with these fine. nothing wrong with these because overtly sexual. fine. nothing wrong with these becausdid overtly sexual. fine. nothing wrong with these becausdid you overtly sexual. fine. nothing wrong with these becausdid you see ertly sexual. fine. nothing wrong with these becausdid you see them?exual. that's did you see them? francis? that's did you see them? fra|yes, saw it, yeah. >> yes, i saw it, yeah. >> she's wearing an uplift bra. yeah, but that's not necessary . yeah, but that's not necessary. be sexual. >> no, not all. and actually,

>> no, not at all. and actually, if you think about it, we're in the cost living crisis. the cost of living crisis. people struggling to pay people are struggling to pay their you their rent, their bills. you need something morale need something to keep morale up, you know what i mean? and we all know it wasn't a that all know it wasn't a man that complained. andrew. let's be honest looked honest about it. no man looked at and went, want to at that and went, i want to complain about that. >> i mean, i you know, with onlyfans, irrespective of what you think about the morality of it breaking it, they're they're not breaking the . you know, they're the law. you know, they're advertising a business. so they're actually very savvy. >> i, i was 20 years younger, believe me. i would have my cheeks up to the camera pointing away. is, there's away. but the thing is, there's no difference between that ad and herzigova. back in 1993, and eva herzigova. back in 1993, advertising no, advertising a wonderbra. no, it's absolutely ridiculous. that's seriously, if you that's true. seriously, if you don't want to look at the cleavage, don't it. calm cleavage, don't look at it. calm down. allowed to advertise down. she's allowed to advertise what she wants. and if these are her wares, great. >> yeah. you know, and like >> yeah. and, you know, and like i it's not or anything. i say, it's not or anything. like say, it's exactly like you say, it's exactly the same breasts. like you say, it's exactly the sanit's breasts. like you say, it's exactly the san it's justzasts. like you say, it's exactly the sanit's just the ;. like you say, it's exactly the sanit's just the human body is >> it's just the human body is nothing be ashamed of. nothing to be ashamed of. andrea, you know. nothing to be ashamed of. ancwell, you know. nothing to be ashamed of. ancwell, no,>u know. nothing to be ashamed of. ancwell, no, i'm now. nothing to be ashamed of. ancwell, no, i'm full of shame. >> well, no, i'm full of shame. but the thing is, i think i

think a lot of people are worried, not so much of worried, not so much because of the visual image of the advert, but of morality of but because of the morality of only itself. only fans in of itself. >> but then i think people need to stay in their own lane. if that's what wants to do, that's what she wants to do, that's what she wants to do, that's absolutely fine. you know, she's the of know, she's above the age of consent. i think she's consent. i don't think she's harming and she harming anyone. no. and she probably opposite. probably quite the opposite. >> probably bringing >> yeah, she's probably bringing a people. a lot of joy to people. >> yeah. she probably >> yeah. yeah. she probably doesn't mortgage. a doesn't have a mortgage. have a girl. okay, well, we've got >> yeah. okay, well, we've got a question now from carol. hi. hi, carol. hello >> what's cheetah gag? really? carol. hello >> ifunniestieetah gag? really? carol. hello >> ifunniestieethe gag? really? carol. hello >> ifunniestieethe festival? lly? the funniest at the festival? >> so every year there's >> yeah. so every year there's this fringe this joke of the fringe competition at edinburgh competition at the edinburgh fringe and, know, fringe and, you know, progressively, year on year out, the becoming worse, the jokes are becoming worse, haven't they? i remember the first sort of okay. first year it was sort of okay. the joke was okay. second year it was like, that's right. it was like, that's all right. ever been ever since then they've been really bad. now this joke, the winner was lorna rose tree. i haven't seen lorna's act. i'm sure comic. sure she's a fantastic comic. i don't what she does, and don't know what she does, and it's just one line. the trouble with it takes with this award is it takes a line out of context. the joke in of itself is i started dating a zookeepen

of itself is i started dating a zookeeper, it turned out he zookeeper, but it turned out he was okay, no response was a cheater. okay, no response , okay. it's a tough , but. okay. but it's a tough crowd. but but the joke the joke, as a lot of people have pointed out, the joke doesn't really even on own really work even on its own merits because misdirection merits because the misdirection doesn't know, so doesn't quite work, you know, so it have the internal it doesn't have the internal logic a joke. why did it win? >> well, i don't look, part of it is it's not actually dave's fault. so they got the way. the who's dave? dave is the channel who is sponsoring this and who select the joke. right, right. okay so they picked ten jokes and put it to the general and they put it to the general public. right? and the general pubuc public. right? and the general public picked that joke, which just shows the general public are stupid . okay. are stupid. okay. >> so there is that. i think there's a thing about this, though, isn't there, bruce, that, you know, the nature of the edinburgh fringe when you have a list of best jokes, it's always going to be puns. it's always going to be puns. it's always be one liners. always going to be one liners. and they're by no means the funniest thing happens on funniest thing that happens on stage at edinburgh fringe. stage at the edinburgh fringe. >> a bit that guy >> but it's a bit like that guy was olaf falafel. yes, he did some kind about some kind of joke about vegetables and then people were

some kind of joke about vegettbecausei then people were some kind of joke about vegettbecause then people were some kind of joke about vegettbecause the vegetables ere upset because the vegetables were or something were autistic or something like that. can't remember. i that. i can't remember. i i dfink that. i can't remember. i i drink but yeah, no, drink a lot, but yeah, no, i mean, i actually think is that that's all right. then, that's all right. but then, you know, how out of how know, how can you out of how many say this is the many shows say this is the funniest whoever you are, you know, it doesn't really work. >> i mean, there's whole routines for 15, routines that go on for 15, 20 minutes, are much, minutes, which are much, much funnier. >> i saw them last night not naming name backyard naming the club's name backyard comedy. back. comedy. i'm not going back. >> well, don't name >> but okay, well, don't name any names. >> no, no, no, i won't. >> no, no, no, no, i won't. because some of them are really good and don't good friends and they don't know. but yeah, i just think know. but but yeah, i just think it's subjective. how can you it's so subjective. how can you narrow it down to one good narrow it down to one but good on her for winning? >> no, no good on her for winning. lots of great people have people like zoe have won it. people like zoe lyons. know, it's fine. but, lyons. you know, it's fine. but, you know, she won it about four years think. yeah years ago, i think. yeah. yeah what was the joke? i can't remember. think so, remember. i think i know. so, you i just kind of feel you know, i just kind of feel sorry in general sorry for the act in general because everyone's sort of having a go and it's one line out but it was a bad joke. >> so yeah, it was a bad joke. and comedians are objectively terrible people there is there

is yes, a theme. >> yes, there's a theme. >> yes, there's a theme. >> there's 3—3 of us right here. >> there's 3—3 of us right here. >> yes. frances okay. we've got one more question this one more question in this section jess hi. hello. >> do you think striking is the best push for better pay best way to push for better pay for nhs doctors? for n hs doctors? >> for nhs doctors? >> yeah, it's all kicking off consultants england. they consultants in england. they returned line on returned to the picket line on thursday a 48 hour work thursday for a 48 hour work stoppage and during the strikes they're thing called they're doing a thing called christmas cover, means christmas day cover, which means effectively only emergency care. now happy. now you you weren't happy. i detected your body language detected from your body language that you don't this is. that you don't think this is. >> thing is, of course, >> well, my thing is, of course, people be paid for what people need to be paid for what they and their work is very they do and their work is very important. allegedly saving important. yes. allegedly saving lives. say, lives. saving lives. i just say, you survival the you know, survival of the fittest. into the door to fittest. walk into the door to carry lives. carry some lives. >> worth my you know, >> aren't worth my you know, don't get me started. >> honestly, win two >> honestly, i'd to win two weeks and it's coming back weeks ago and it's coming back anyway. point would be, anyway. okay. my point would be, you you're getting you know what you're getting into you this, and into when you go into this, and if you want to make money, be a vet, they will take your money. they yeah, they will fleece you. yeah, seriously, shortage seriously, there's no shortage of absolutely no, of dying animals. absolutely no, no, no. >> they're always dying, aren't they? well, exactly. >> that's kind >> that's the thing. that's kind of yeah. so i'm. yeah,

of circle. yeah. so i'm. yeah, i'm just like, strike. don't strike. well, just stop it. >> thing about this is it is >> the thing about this is it is an essential service, right? and so, you know. i think so, you know. yes i think health is essential. so thing i'm is essential. so the thing i'm always kind of instinctively on the strikers, because i the side of strikers, because i do the right to do i do think the right to withhold your labour is important , withhold your labour is important, and particularly when you're being underpaid , as you're being underpaid, as i believe members of staff at the nhs are. or am i just being a whinging lefty? >> i'll tell you what about bruce.i >> i'll tell you what about bruce. i met him outside before he stepped gb news. he was he stepped into gb news. he was like, you know, francis, gender is social construct. five is a social construct. five minutes in here, he was like, aboush minutes in here, he was like, abolish that's how abolish the nhs. that's how right is. right wing this place is. >> yeah, like a toxin. >> yeah, it's like a toxin. yeah, i am high on nastiness . yeah, i am high on nastiness. you'll be goose stepping in a minute. >> i don't even know what that means. >> you will. >> you will. >> you will. something >> you will. something i'm interested in. >> well, i don't know what to do about that. you know, it's difficult. it's difficult. >> you know, it is. >> you know, it is. >> look, in all honesty, the problem is this over the pandemic, we brought in pandemic, because we brought in lockdown, meant that people

lockdown, it meant that people couldn't have cancer treatment. they couldn't see they couldn't go and see cardiologists. it means that strokes, heart attacks weren't being looked at. they weren't being looked at. they weren't being analysed. our death rates are through the roof. for instance, in scotland, a couple of back, they had the of months back, they had the highest since 1952. highest death rate since 1952. this only to make the this is only going to make the situation worse. >> okay . >> okay. >> okay. >> a nice cheery note to >> well, a nice cheery note to end.the >> well, a nice cheery note to end. the first part on somebody. >> yeah. >> everybody. yeah. >> everybody. yeah. >> free speech >> but next on free speech nation, labour government nation, a labour government could be in place next year. would be a threat to free would that be a threat to free speech? we're going to be talking to the author of a report who says precisely that and campaigner maya and also campaigner maya forstater. see you in a few moments .

>> you're listening to gb news radio . welcome back to free radio. welcome back to free speech nation , the institute for speech nation, the institute for economic affairs has issued a report which suggests a prospective labour government could be a threat to gender critical free speech. >> the report is titled trans

gender ideology a new threat to liberal values and says , quote, liberal values and says, quote, there are concerning indications that a future labour government would introduce new hate speech legislation with serious implications for freedom of speech. so i'm joined to discuss this by report's author, this by the report's author, mark glendinning and maya forstater , the co—founder of forstater, the co—founder of women's rights group sex matters.org. thanks both for coming. thank you . mark, i'm coming. thank you. mark, i'm going to come to you first because you authored the report, but could you tell us what your findings are in a nutshell? >> well, in a nutshell, we see a movement, transgender ideology, which must be made distinct from transgenderism. we're not talking about the right of people to identify however they want verbally, but we're talking about a movement that wants to control through state regulation , fashion, the way in which we use language and the way in which we think about sex and related issues . so, for example, related issues. so, for example, three weeks ago the labour party

said that if they come to power, they they will make it illegal for psychotherapists and parents to have a conversation with patients and children who are thinking of having a sex change operation. and it would be to illegal do anything but affirm that desire because they say that desire because they say thatis that desire because they say that is conversion therapy. right >> so any child who's suffering from gender dysphoria or feelings of discomfort in their in their body, that will be outlawed to even talk about that, to even talk it through in private, if you unless you affirm that person's desire to go through with sex change surgery . surgery. >> and this is not just the labour party. i mean, there are conservative members of parliament like theresa may and alicia kearns who also are calling for this legislation. bofis calling for this legislation. boris johnson was going to introduce this of introduce this piece of legislation and then there was a pause. yes. so no, but this is something labour are saying. they're definitely going to do and so you obviously are from sex matters.

>> your group is particularly worried about this kind of legislation. can just legislation. can you just briefly what sex briefly tell us what sex matters? does we're matters? does well, we're a human rights organisation. >> rights >> we're not women's rights organisation, rights organisation, but women's rights are human rights. and are part of human rights. and we campaign for clarity sex in campaign for clarity on sex in law policy in the uk and so law and policy in the uk and so this kind of legislation would be particularly worrying, wouldn't it? absolutely the conversion therapy legislation that's proposed would be a chilling effect on therapists, on teachers , potentially on on teachers, potentially on parents, youth workers , social parents, youth workers, social workers, anyone who's dealing with a child who is confused about their sex and is worried, you know, is thinking that they may be the opposite sex or they want to change gender or as mark said, it would be a chilling effect on any professionals talking to that child and saying, what's the base of why you're feeling this way? exactly >> i mean, as many people have pointed out, a lot of these kids who are suffering from these feelings often grow up to be 93v- feelings often grow up to be gay. just gender gay. they're just gender non—conforming. there's

gay. they're just gender non—levelrming. there's gay. they're just gender non—level ofing. there's gay. they're just gender non—level of autism. there's gay. they're just gender non—level of autism. there's s high level of autism. there's other reasons to explore. sometimes you all the sometimes but, you know, all the time . all the time. right, time. all the time. right, exactly. but you're at sex exactly. so but you're at sex matters. you know, your concern isn't correct me if i'm isn't so much correct me if i'm wrong, but that people can choose to themselves choose to call themselves whatever but rather whatever they like. but rather that we shouldn't change public policy to reify a kind of metaphysical belief that some individuals have. yes >> i mean, people can wear what they like, call themselves what they like, call themselves what they like, call themselves what they like, have sex with, with anyone that would have them , as anyone that would have them, as j.k. rowling said. but all those things are personal choices. the question is, what are other people obliged to do? yes. and particular hourly in work in schools as public service providers. all of those places where we're not just able to say, you do you there are obugafions say, you do you there are obligations , lions and the laws obligations, lions and the laws . the law is not bad, but it's got very confused. and so people have come to think that if someone says i'm the opposite sex, then legally you have to treat them as the opposite sex. but of course you don't. and

it's not safe to and of course, it's not safe to and of course, it's considered hate speech sometimes if you if you don't go along that belief, that's along with that belief, that's a problem, isn't it? >> we've scotland , we've >> we've seen in scotland, we've seen very much new hate seen very much in the new hate speech, ireland. this speech, bill in ireland. this idea people are being idea that that people are being compelled to beliefs that compelled to utter beliefs that they hold . and that's the they don't hold. and that's the real problem here, isn't it? well demanding is well yes, what it's demanding is that we suppress our own power , that we suppress our own power, hours of rational cognition in our own capacity to reach judgement concerning what is real and not real to this ideology . ideology. >> now, this is a protofascist , >> now, this is a protofascist, fascistic, illiberal development. and it's extremely dangerous. but you have to see, i think, transgender ideology not in isolation , but as part of not in isolation, but as part of a kind of broader , wider a kind of broader, wider political movement, a sort of axis of authoritarianism that includes extreme environmentalism , um, critical environmentalism, um, critical race theory , the campaign to race theory, the campaign to decolonise the curriculum in universities. this is all part

of an authoritarian movement that now exists in this country and throughout the western world thatis and throughout the western world that is seeking to establish state control over language and thought it was interesting because your report specifically talks about labour, but this isn't a left right issue, isn't really a left right issue, isn't really a left right issue, is it? >> you know, not at all. you mentioned theresa may, the conservative has conservative government has presided worst presided over some of the worst excesses this. but do excesses of this. but maya, do you think that labour be you think that labour will be well, actually because i well, worse actually because i mean keir starmer has now at least discovered that a woman is an adult human female . that's an adult human female. that's a step in the right direction, isn't it? >> yes, it is. and end of july, labour came out with they, they said they want to modernise, simplify and reform the gender recognition act while protecting single—sex spaces. they didn't say how they're going to do that, but but that is also a step in the right direction in its mixed messaging, though, isn't it? >> it is. >> it is. >> and they're to going have to work out what any of that means. >> but isn't the obvious >> yeah, but isn't the obvious solution is the liberal approach, which is to say you

can whatever you want, can do whatever you want, identify et identify how you want. et cetera. do have cetera. but we do have boundafiesin cetera. but we do have boundaries in society based on sex, they important. sex, and they are important. >> that's that's >> yes, i think that's that's basically the principle. but the devil's in the detail. you know , how does that work in schools 7 , how does that work in schools ? how does that work in prisons and so on? >> are you worried about this nofion >> are you worried about this notion of a speech or beliefs being criminalised? i mean, you yourself a very yourself have had a very protracted experience regarding this because you were effectively put through the finger effectively put through the ringer for your belief that sex is immutable. >> yes. i mean, i lost my job for it. and in the end, my belief was protected. but people are still being reported to the police for tweets and being called for in interviews and having hate speech marked against them for saying that men are not women. >> why is that happening? because mark would you know, maya's case was a landmark case in which it was confirmed that the belief that biological sex is real, that sex is immutable, that no human being has ever changed sex, which is a matter

of fact, that that is now a protected belief in law. that being case, why are people being the case, why are people still being investigated and arrested stating otherwise? arrested for stating otherwise? >> question. if you went >> good question. if you went into thames valley policing into the thames valley policing area and were to reproduce , area and you were to reproduce, use the english oxford dictionary's definition of a woman and were to put it in a leaflet you were to hand out, you would be arrested for a hate crime under section five of the pubuc crime under section five of the public order act. the police in that area said they would arrest you for stating what is objectively true. the police have given themselves a power with no basis in law whatsoever to establish essentially a political will register a register of political criminals , which is entitled non—crime hate incident database. so that if any one of us here tonight was to be reported by, say, stonewall or mermaids or some group like that for alleged hate speech , the police in the area

speech, the police in the area in which we were reported , the in which we were reported, the police could then put us on this database with no right of appeal whatsoever , ever. and these this whatsoever, ever. and these this database has significance in terms of dbs checks and that sort of thing . where does this sort of thing. where does this power come from ? parliament power come from? parliament didn't give the police this power. the association of chief constables themselves constables gave themselves the power to pursue and harass people politically on this issue. >> and where does this lead? i mean, i mentioned ireland and i mentioned scotland and this debate is going on and on. do you think that you're on the winning side this? you you think that you're on the winni things�* this? you you think that you're on the winni things are this? you you think that you're on the winni things are going you you think that you're on the winni things are going inyou you think that you're on the winni things are going in the think things are going in the right direction? >> i think there have been significant turning points. i mean, obviously, but mean, my case, obviously, but also that's to led in also and what that's to led in terms of debate in uk and terms of debate in the uk and just before the summer, we had the parliamentary debate on this proposal to change the equality act, to make clear that people are protected against sex discrimination in and against gender reassignment discrimination. so, know, if discrimination. so, you know, if someone's trans, should be someone's trans, they should be able get on a bus, get able to get on a bus, get a taxi, go to a restaurant, do all the things that everyone else

can but it doesn't give them can do, but it doesn't give them the use spaces for the the right to use spaces for the opposite those two opposite sex. so those two things, sex discrimination and trans should be trans discrimination should be clear . clear and separate. >> are claiming >> but activists are claiming that the equality when it that the equality act, when it said sex always meant gender identity. well, this is what we're the government to we're asking the government to clear up. >> i mean, you shouldn't need a degree in gender studies or a law cafe. you law degree to run a cafe. you know, everywhere that you have male female signs on the male and female signs on the door that everyone needs to know what that means. it should be simple. >> and are you not frustrated because worked tirelessly because you've worked tirelessly at this, but the very fact that you lost your job and you had to take it to a higher court just to state fact that i mean, this must the fact that call must be the fact that they call it protected belief must be it a protected belief must be frustrating of itself. it is. frustrating in of itself. it is. >> but i mean, it's so important that we fix this, you know, i mean, fundamentally there sterilise ing gay children, you know, so the fact that i lost my job and the fact that i was able to turn that into something good and because people use my name to stop debate , being closed

to stop debate, being closed down ultimately is a good thing. but we have to get this out of schools. we have to clarity schools. we have to get clarity into schools that children , ian, into schools that children, ian, are boys and they are girls and that cannot change. and schools are there to keep them safe. >> well , are there to keep them safe. >> well, mark, thanks so much for joining today. really forjoining me today. really appreciate thank you . still appreciate it. thank you. still to come on free speech nation should the descendants of people who made money from the slave trade now be issuing apologies ? trade now be issuing apologies? we'll discuss it with two fantastic guests . first, let's we'll discuss it with two fantyour guests . first, let's we'll discuss it with two fantyour latest; . first, let's we'll discuss it with two fantyour latest weatherlet's we'll discuss it with two fantyour latest weather .et's get your latest weather. >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers are proud sponsors of weather on gb news hello there. >> welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. we're looking ahead to the new week. for most of us, it's going to stay changeable. some spells of sunshine, some further spells of sunshine, but some further rain at but also some further rain at times. so as we end sunday, we've got this weak weather front will gradually front which will gradually spread bit

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radio. welcome back to free speech nation. >> the family of former prime minister william gladstone have beenin minister william gladstone have been in the caribbean this week apologising for their ancestor's historical links to the slave trade . guyana has been holding trade. guyana has been holding events to mark the 200th anniversary of a hugely significant slave uprising known as the demerara rebellion , which as the demerara rebellion, which helped to end the practise and gladstone's descendants were there because his father, john, ran sugar plantations in the cafibbean ran sugar plantations in the caribbean and was compensated with a huge sum for the times by the government. the the government. following the passing abolition passing of the slavery abolition act in 1833. to discuss this, i'm joined by the actor, filmmaker and writer femi nylander historian and nylander and the historian and columnist tim stanley . nylander and the historian and columnist tim stanley. femi, i want to start with you . is this want to start with you. is this helpful for a descender of william gladstone to apologise for something that not even william gladstone did, but his father did ? father did? >> well, i mean , william >> well, i mean, william gladstone did actually use his political power just before gladstone did actually use his political powerjust before he political power just before he became prime minister to , to became prime minister to, to basically assure that his father would get a payout of about 20

million. in today's money. when he let his slaves go. so and that those those those kind of grants to slave owners or payments to slave owners for releasing their slaves weren't paid off by the british taxpayer until about 2015. so i do think it is a bit of a misnomer to say that william gladstone had nothing to do with his father's actions. he basically secured his father a very big payoff, but nonetheless, i do think that when people say you shouldn't apologise what your apologise for what your ancestors did , there is always ancestors did, there is always something in that. there's something in that. there's something you something in saying, well, you didn't do your ancestors did something in saying, well, you dicbutdo your ancestors did something in saying, well, you dicbut at your ancestors did something in saying, well, you dic but at the 'our ancestors did something in saying, well, you dic but at the same1cestors did something in saying, well, you dicbut at the same time,rs did something in saying, well, you dic but at the same time, if did something in saying, well, you dic but at the same time, if you it. but at the same time, if you are sitting on the wealth of your ancestors, if you're happy to inherit the money that they made off something for example, if someone gave me money, which i knew that they had made off, um, kind of forced prostitution, or i knew that they had made off cocaine smuggling, etcetera, i'd be seen as handling dirty money and people would say, well, you're handling dirty money, you should give that money up to the

police. should hand yourself police. you should hand yourself in. someone passes in. however, when someone passes on their descendants, on money to their descendants, which know was based off which we know was based off human trafficking and rape and deprivation and theft, in this case, it's seen as. all right. so i do think it's more important that they apologise for what they have done and what they haven't done enslave they haven't done is enslave people. have done or people. what they have done or what are holding what they are doing is holding on which was built on to wealth, which was built off enslavement. >> stanley , is that right? >> tim stanley, is that right? has femi got a point here that, you know, the gladstone family, the descendants of william gladstone, do relatively gladstone, do enjoy a relatively affluent the of affluent life off the back of some practises is it some abhorrent practises is it not right that they should make some kind of declaration regarding this? some kind of declaration reg it'sng this? some kind of declaration reg it's upthis? some kind of declaration reg it's up to s? some kind of declaration reg it's up to them and i support >> it's up to them and i support their right to do with their money. whatever it is they choose to do. and i can't disagree with 99% of what i've just heard because it's historically factually true that the gladstones didn't just profit from slavery, but when it was abolished, they actually received compensation for it having abolished. so if having been abolished. so if anyone feels obliged to make a statement about slavery and

their family's connection to it, it would be the gladstone's. there's a part of me though, and bear with me here, this might seem facetious, but there's a part me that wonders if part of me that wonders if there's an of the humble there's an element of the humble brag this, that this is an brag about this, that this is an opportunity for some very well—meaning, minded , well—meaning, liberal minded, upper middle class people to signal world that they signal to the world that they are the gladstone's . are related to the gladstone's. and i this quite seriously and i mean this quite seriously . if think about my own family . if i think about my own family , think i've got , i don't think i've got anything to apologise for on behalf family because if behalf of my family because if you went back to that period , you went back to that period, you'd that my you'd probably find that on my father's they were father's side they were irish tenant farmers and on my mother's side were mother's side they were nonconformist preachers and then if you think about the prime minister, well, his family weren't even british. they weren't even british. they weren't even british. they weren't even in this country. so it makes sense for someone to feel a personal connection through their family's genealogy to happened in the past. to what happened in the past. but the problem is it's always expanding to the whole of society or the country and its relationship to what went on in the past. but for the vast, vast

majority of citizens, we were not that important. we were not that wealthy. we didn't own anyone. so it's when the conversation begins to open up and it becomes this sense that we into our past we must all dig into our past and all confront went on in and all confront what went on in our country and in our country's name . that's when i think it name. that's when i think it starts to move morally away from personal, ality and personal, responsible ality and into collective guilt. and i don't think that works for me. >> can i ask you about that? i mean, isn't it the case that an acknowledged meant that one's wealth has come from past discrimination? that's one thing. the word apology suggests suggests personal responsibility , doesn't it? and in a sense is that really appropriate with something like as you said, when they haven't actually done it themselves, again , i think themselves, is again, i think that there is definitely some thing in what has been said about the idea of signalling, because when i apologise for what my ancestor that what my ancestor did, that doesn't hand it doesn't mean i have to hand it back again. >> if apologise that someone >> if i apologise that someone else ran a prostitution ring, for example , then i don't have for example, then i don't have to do it. i know i didn't do it,

you know i didn't do it. it's a symbolic thing. if i apologise for the fact that i'm holding on to funds that have been gained from a prostitution ring, then i'm apologising for something i'm apologising for something i'm i think if these i'm doing. and i think if these families they actually i'm doing. and i think if these familie do they actually i'm doing. and i think if these familiedo and they actually i'm doing. and i think if these familiedo and started actually i'm doing. and i think if these familiedo and started to :tually i'm doing. and i think if these familiedo and started to say, ly had to do and started to say, okay, what apologise for okay, what would apologise for is fact that we live a is the fact that we live in a huge estate built off the back of the brutalisation and dehumanisation of caribbean people would course have people that would of course have to accompanied act to be accompanied with the act of that back to the of giving that back to the descendants of the enslaved. >> i understand. so tim, do you agree with femi that rather than this apology, irrespective of the motivations behind it, even if it is a humblebrag, that actually what the family should be doing now at this point is selling property and selling off their property and actually reparations essentially i >> -- >> see, the point is it's up to them. i can understand why they might reach that conclusion that their personal wealth is based upon that exploitation. i can see also why they might judge that there are parts of the world which are poorer and less well developed because of that

exploitation, and they now wish personally to redistribute their funds. disagree with funds. i can't disagree with that. part because comes that. in part because it comes down matter of personal down to a matter of personal choice agency . my only word choice and agency. my only word of caution , as i say, is i think of caution, as i say, is i think that there is an emergent there's an emergent cultural bias towards the idea that we all have that responsible duty and that the state must in some way officiate, officiate it and referee the handing back of national funds and you and i do the moral maze. we've had this debate so many times about the problem of reparations. where do you begin? doesn't real moral responsibility lie the responsibility lie with the present ? what does someone in present? what does someone in the present have relationship to? that happened 8 or to? something that happened 8 or 1000 800 or 1000 years ago? where do we begin and how do we arbitrarily draw the lines over what is one personally responsible for our western regimes responsible for marxist regimes responsible for marxist regimes in the developing world that in the 70s and 80s did so much damage to them and are probably at the very least as

responsible for the lack of development in those parts of the world as slavery . we had the world as slavery. we had nothing to do with that in the very fact me saying we then again i come back to what's it got to do with me? there are people in this country who came here refugees or here themselves, refugees or themselves . historically, from themselves. historically, from from sources of oppression. they could be jews coming from eastern europe. are they personally responsible through the tax system ? should they be the tax system? should they be responsible for things that britain did or british people did? 200 years ago? and should they fork out for it? so i just come back to when it's a matter of personal choice. that's up to you. and some sympathy you. and i have some sympathy and respect for those who and indeed respect for those who wish to account of what wish to take account of what happened the past and now happened in the past and to now have some responsibility for it. it's when it widens out into what's going do , what's britain going to do, that's when i start to feel we need to put brakes on it. need to put the brakes on it. >> well, this is absolutely fascinating and we had fascinating and i wish we had more because we could more time because we could talk for hours this. but femi for hours about this. but femi nylander tim stanley, nylander and tim stanley, thanks. you very much thanks. thank you very much for joining today. next on free

joining me today. next on free speech nation, a bizarre tale from iceland, where trans activist hounded the organisers of an lgbt charity. to the extent that the country's former prime minister had to step in. don't go anywhere .

welcome back to free speech nation. >> so the charity sam took in 22, an icelandic sister organisation of lgb alliance, is

taking legal action after an extraordinary series of events which ended in the country's former prime minister stepping in. >> so they were able to stage a conference. activists had put pressure to prevent the event from going ahead. well, the chair of the charity had a front row seat for this bizarre, secretive events. elder isidore joins me now. hello. welcome to the show. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> so tell me what happened . >> so tell me what happened. what was the event that you had organised? well, we organised like first conference for our like a first conference for our organisation, obviously from the start, from when we found the organisation, we were subject to the same attacks and slandering and libel that we were transphobic hate group etcetera etcetera . etcetera. >> yeah, but you were a gay rights group. yeah, we're a gay gay rights group. yeah. and and well because we express that we are against transitions of children that translate s in those terms for the queer activists as transphobia. >> yes. well, i've spoken to kate and bev from lgb alliance, and they make the same point. they're continually to they're continually having to

fend libellous claims fend off these libellous claims that are far right or that they are far right or fascist or all these ridiculous things. so you're getting the same in iceland? same thing in iceland? >> the same, yes. >> absolutely the same, yes. >> absolutely the same, yes. >> merely for standing up >> and merely for standing up for yeah, mainly for for gay rights. yeah, mainly for standing for gay rights and standing up for gay rights and actually, know, standing up actually, you know, standing up for gender non—conforming children that they are left in peace and actually, our main core message is that puberty is a basic human right. right? so you had this event, it was cancelled. the former prime minister stepped in. is that right? >> that's correct. >> that's correct. >> so what happened there? >> so what happened there? >> had rented the >> well, we had rented the national museum auditorium, but we've kept the location completely quiet because we understand how trans activists operate . so as soon as we put operate. so as soon as we put out the location , the trans out the location, the trans activists started bombarding the national museum with with emails and phone calls, etcetera, etcetera . and in a bank holiday etcetera. and in a bank holiday weekend on a sunday, the national museum censors a message and says, we made the

double booking. it's cancelled. but there was no double booking. our solicitor actually found out there was no double booking . and there was no double booking. and then we hired a second venue and then we hired a second venue and then the activist started bombarding those people as well , all the way up to the iceland dick sporting association . and dick sporting association. and that got cancelled too. and but the former prime minister of iceland had actually said that he was going to attend the conference. so i sent out an sos to the former prime minister and he responded to, so you have some support there. >> but the current prime minister, my understanding is that she is very much on board with gender identity, ideology and for further hate and is pushing for further hate speech which is a similar speech laws, which is a similar problem facing problem we're facing with potentially our potentially with our next government potentially with our next governn she is trying to push >> yes, she is trying to push the same sort of hate speech law that was subject that tonya torfaen was subject to in norway. so it will be even more so. so it will be even wider . you know, the definition. wider. you know, the definition. >> what was that case? what was the. >> with tonya torfaen? well,

she's been on your show. she she was subject to three. well, she could have faced three years in prison in just for saying that lesbians can't , you know, can't lesbians can't, you know, can't have penises. yeah yeah. >> so and people it sounds like a joke, doesn't it? but these, these crazy these speech laws are coming in in scotland, in ireland, all iceland. now in canada. >> that's right. and iceland introduced a self—id in 2019. and you have activists claiming on twitter that it has not have had any negative impact, etcetera, etcetera. but then you have muslim women , jewish women. have muslim women, jewish women. well, women in general who do not want to go to public swimming pools in reykjavik anymore and reykjavik city council has actually published a objection handling manual for its staff, which i call gaslighting manual, where they are actually taught or the staff is taught how to deal with women who complain about men being in the showers. and in iceland it's

mandatory to shower naked in communal showers before entering that rules so you can imagine you can have a scenario in a small town in iceland where you have a 50 year old, you know, man showering with an eight year old girl, you know, or indeed, as you say, a muslim woman who has very religious beliefs that will simply not allow that. >> that's ahead. >> that's ahead. >> that's ahead. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> so this isn't good for minorities either. no >> discriminating >> so you're discriminating against minority to against another minority to appease another? yes >> can people do? i >> so what can people do? i mean, got now a go fund mean, you've got now a go fund mean, you've got now a go fund me for in me for some in 22. >> yes. i mean, we had we have i mean, this this is a precedent case. now i mean, government institute action that discriminate against gender critical homosexuals who want just to have a meeting and talk about its issues is we need to take an action. so we have a go fund me now to well, that address is on the screen at the moment. >> and it's very important, isn't it, that that gay people

in particular, whose rights were secured on the understanding that there there are people that there is there are people who attracted members who are attracted to members of their own sex? >> and also, we got our >> yes. and also, we got our rights because we had free speech freedom assembly. speech and freedom of assembly. that's through you know, that's through those, you know, bafic that's through those, you know, basic that that gay basic rights that that gay people actually managed to obtain. yes their their rights. >> and so this isn't just about gay rights and gay issues. this is about the broader principle of this is about the basic rights. >> absolutely. that's that's that's how we see it at the moment. >> yes. and have the activists been particularly hostile? >> they have, absolutely. they were even a few activists . the were even a few activists. the funny thing is about this situation is the pride parade was happening at the same time as our event , was happening at the same time as our event, right? so instead of them actually being , you of them actually being, you know, preparing for their own events and celebrating their own events and celebrating their own events , they they they decided events, they they they decided to use their time to sabotage ours. yes. you know, we had no actions planned against the pride parade or any of their events. it's not our style.

that's not what we are about. we just wanted to have our event. and that was not allowed to go forward. okay well, i'm glad that you've come to on the show to raise these very important issues. >> so elda, thanks very much for joining me today. thank you very much. thank you. >> so that's the end of our first hour. >> but please don't go away because there's lot more because there's a lot more to come now and 9:00, come between now and 9:00, including questions including more questions from our wonderful audience . our wonderful studio audience. the temperatures rising, the box , the proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello there . welcome to your >> hello there. welcome to your latest news weather forecast . latest news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. we're looking ahead to the new week. for most of us, it's to going stay changeable. some further spells of sunshine, but also some further rain at times. so as we end sunday, we've got this weak weather front will weather front which will gradually a gradually spread its way a little bit further eastwards. a ridge of high pressure trying to build monday. it may build in from monday. it may well things down well just settle things down briefly, as we end sunday, briefly, but as we end sunday, you just see that weather you can just see that weather

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gb news. >> there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation. this week, we'll be discussing jordan peterson, donald trump and myself and my panel will take more audience questions. but let's update first let's get a news update first from sanchez .

from tatiana sanchez. >> andrew, thank you very much and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom. nadine dorries has accused rishi sunak of whipping up a public frenzy against her and she says he doesn't have the x factor of a winning prime minister. in a blistering resignation letter, the former minister accused mr sunak of demeaning his office by criticising her. she says his government has abandoned concern autism and the 2019 election manifesto , which was published manifesto, which was published before boris johnson , won an 80 before boris johnson, won an 80 seat majority. a by—election will now take place in the usually safe tory seat of mid bedfordshire , labour's shadow bedfordshire, labour's shadow secretary for women and equalities, anneliese dodds , equalities, anneliese dodds, told gb news that nadine dorries makes some valid points. >> although i disagree with nadine dorries on many things, when she says that we currently have a zombie parliament and when she asks what rishi sunak stands for and what he has achieved, i think many people

will be saying they don't understand and either and i think this is incredibly damaging when as we know, our country is in the middle of a cost of living crisis, we have a crisis in our nhs crisis of crime on our streets, and yet we seem to have a zombie government that just can't get a grip . that just can't get a grip. >> high street chain wilko could be saved from collapse after a last minute rescue bid was launched at wilko, collapsed into administration earlier this month, putting 12,500 jobs at risk across its 400 stores. well, private equity firm m2 capital has submitted a last minute bid worth £90 million, as they've confirmed themselves as one of the several offers being considered by administrators. m2 capital has also said it plans to guarantee all employees jobs for two years . firefighters say for two years. firefighters say the government has shown callous disregard for the safety of those on board the bibby stockholm barge. the fire brigades union has sent a pre—action protocol letter to home secretary suella braverman

outlining its concerns over safety aboard the vessel, which is currently docked at dorset's portland port . the union portland port. the union previously branded the barge a potential death trap . it's now potential death trap. it's now demanding a response to its legal letter. by thursday , rush legal letter. by thursday, rush investigators say genetics tests confirm yevgeny prigozhin died in a plane crash on wednesday . in a plane crash on wednesday. the wagner boss was on the passenger list of a private jet that crashed north of moscow. months after a failed rebellion against russia's military. mikhail kasyanov was prime minister of russia from 2000 until 2004. he told gb news this morning that prigozhin had put unforgivable pressure on putin over his management of the war in ukraine. residents of a road in ukraine. residents of a road in london, which avoids the ulez charge, say they're being offered £100 a month by people hoping to avoid the emission fee. people living along moor lane and chessington are being asked by motorists to use their driveways while the road remains charge free, turning off at any

point would incur the £12.50 a daily fee for non compliant vehicles. the expansion of ulez aims to improve air quality and from tuesday it will be expanded into greater london. in your gb news across the uk on tv , in news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's over to free speech nation . free speech nation. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. let's get some more questions from our wonderful studio audience . our first question is audience. our first question is from robert . where is robert? from robert. where is robert? hi, robert , will. hi, robert, will. >> nadine dorries now get her mba, as she has identified rishi sunaks key strengths as a conservative leader. >> she's really gone for it , >> she's really gone for it, hasn't she? so she's, let's say i think it's fair to say she flounced out, didn't she? she flattens she a big flattens out. she left a big attack. blaze glory. i think

attack. blaze of glory. i think she rishi sunak said he she attacked rishi sunak said he wasn't conservative of. wasn't really conservative of. >> mean did anybody ever >> well, i mean did anybody ever think rishi was think that rishi sunak was a proper conservative, number one? and this is a and number two, this is just a glorious three month tantrum because didn't get her because she didn't get her peerage. this is what it's all about. >> that's what it is. because about. >> 'know,what it is. because about. >> 'know, she'sit is. because about. >> 'know, she's also because about. >> 'know, she's also said use about. >> 'know, she's also said that you know, she's also said that she's pointed that he's not she's pointed out that he's not elected know, that elected as such. you know, that he any votes. and he hasn't had any votes. and she's doing all of this. but really, what is it about making a she wants be a splash? she wants to be a celebrity. she wants to be a novelist, really novelist, columnist? not really a politician. >> hasn't even turned >> she hasn't even turned up, has turned up to has she even turned up to parliament? she doing any parliament? is she doing any work is she sitting work or is she just sitting there or drawing her parliamentary salary and then playing on talktv? parliamentary salary and then pla is|g on talktv? parliamentary salary and then pla is this on talktv? parliamentary salary and then pla is this going on talktv? parliamentary salary and then pla is this going to on talktv? parliamentary salary and then pla is this going to have talktv? parliamentary salary and then pla is this going to have any;tv? >> is this going to have any effect on the tory party i mean her? nadine dorries god love her, but resigning isn't her, but her resigning isn't going a seismic moment. going to be a seismic moment. it's not like she's robin it's not like she's not robin cook, is she? it's not to . going cook, is she? it's not to. going >> the woman is delusional and deranged. we not that she deranged. we not forget that she forgot she job and forgot that she had a job and went into the jungle. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> do you really care about the people at all? >> that's easy. didn't even

>> that's easy. she didn't even know what channel 4 was. all for rebranded or whatever. >> she. >> yeah, she. >> yeah, she. >> lost the whip didn't she, >> she lost the whip didn't she, for doing for going to for doing that. for going to into jungle. into the jungle. >> actually attacked me . but >> she actually attacked me. but that's my point with her is do you remember when she was doing. >> she was backing boris obviously. >> yeah. yeah. she and she was found in the main hall, staggering crying, flinging her hair. >> like how much have you had to dfink? >> like how much have you had to drink? it's only 10:00 in the morning, but you need to get a grip. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so in that is it not >> so in that case, is it not better that mad nad, as they call her, has now left? >> they call it? call her, has now left? >> theyhey call it? call her, has now left? >> they do call it? call her, has now left? >> they do call her that. i didn't make that up. i'm didn't just make that up. i'm not i'm not that mean. that's an actual nickname. >> i think it is great. >> no, i think it is great. >> no, i think it is great. >> my producer on my show is a scouser and all scousers, scouser and as all scousers, they think everything about liverpool brilliant. it's liverpool is brilliant. it's the best, blah. i go, best, blah, blah blah. i go, what never what about nadine? doris never answers . answers a question. >> interesting. that's a proper liverpudlian. >> yeah, she's a scouser. liverpudlian. >> yeah, she's a scouser . you >> yeah, she's a scouser. you wouldn't know it. >> you wouldn't know it. >> you wouldn't know it. >> talk about that, do they? >> very dodgy sun dresses. that's all i to say. fabric

that's all i have to say. fabric is not her friend. so of the electorate. so our next question is from natasha . is from natasha. >> is it natalia. hello >> is it natalia. hello >> hello. hello. >> hello. hello. >> good evening . has great >> good evening. has great ormond street hospital lost the show? >> oh, they have lost the plot. yeah, i think. i think they absolutely. i don't know if people have been following this, but great ormond street hospital obviously well known. obviously are very well known. hospital for children. they've been in this outside been bringing in this outside group teach the staff about group to teach the staff about gender or i should say gender, 150 apparently. now really last i heard, it was 76. yeah, it's almost it's doubled. >> it's like bacteria. >> it's like bacteria. >> unbelievable. >> unbelievable. >> you just leave it alone for a bit and it just multiplies. >> now, the thing about this, francis, is i don't care what people's personal pseudo religious beliefs are, i don't really care. i do of care really care. i do sort of care when groups are coming in to, you know, hospitals and sort of i know , you may as i mean, you know, you may as well have like a hook handed islamist cleric come in and talk about . you know, about homosexuals. you know, like same time, like why why at the same time, why do that? get get some

why not do that? get a get some dodgy in? yeah, get get dodgy priest in? yeah, get get all people and, you all these people in and, you know, why not? or because it's a hospital. just talk about medicine. >> yeah, there is a point. i just see these poor kids who are desperately ill just sitting there you know, there having, you know, something like radiotherapy, and all you get one of all of a sudden you get one of these mermaids, these nut bags from mermaids, p0p these nut bags from mermaids, pop lecture them. it's pop up and lecture them. it's like it's my life. not difficult enough. yeah, i'm only six. please just leave me alone. >> there's a weirdness about this, isn't there, bruce? 150 genders. do you buy that? i think gender is on strike. well, they should be, because that seems to be de rigueur at the moment. okay well, i'm not here to deny anyone's lived experience. >> if there's 150 genders, i'm 40. i have hats for every occasion. >> right. oh, you're very nice about this, bruce. i think it's nuts personally. >> why does it bother you? >> why does it bother you? >> it does bother me. it bothers me i'll you me that. well, i'll tell you why. because think why. because i think particularly medical particularly in a medical establishment to establishment, that you have to rely biological fact. and rely on biological fact. and that's actually quite important if coming in and sort if you're coming in and sort of trying deny this group trying to deny that this group has actually talked about how the by puberty the problems caused by puberty

blockers . this not blockers is a myth. this is not a myth. of the studies that a myth. all of the studies that are coming out are showing just how dangerous things are. how dangerous these things are. that's important, you that's why it's important, you know, kids are going to be know, if kids are going to be medicalized sterilised just for being have with being gay. i have an issue with that that's that personally, but that's that's though. that's quite bigoted though. is that's quite bigoted though. is that me bigoted? that is that me being bigoted? >> happening it's >> what's happening though? it's exactly what's happening. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> but no one's sterilised >> yeah. but no one's sterilised me really gay. me no, i'm still really gay. >> very lucky you weren't >> you're very lucky you weren't born around time. it is the born around this time. it is the most dangerous to up. most dangerous time to grow up. gay, think. yeah. anyway, gay, i think. yeah. anyway, we're going to move our we're going to move on now. our next from lorraine next question is from lorraine kelly, lorraine kelly. kelly, not lorraine kelly. sorry. devices , messages, sorry. hello devices, messages, racist whatsapp messages. now, this is a fascinating case because this is a met police officer sentenced to prison, 71 days in prison for racist whatsapp messages that were sent to an ex—partner, i believe now i think i've read the content of the messages. i think we can all agree this is a wrong and this is a horrible human being. i don't approve in any way of what he wrote. i do, however, get very nervous about people going

to jail for things they say or right or wrong. >> i actually quite agree >> no, i actually quite agree with you. i think what he the messages he sent were completely despicable were they despicable. they were vile. they were racist. you start to worry when people get sent to jail for things they said unless it's incitement to violence or unless it's a threat. well it sets a precedent that could be exploited by unscrupulous future governments. >> yeah, they could say. and they already are saying, for instance, in iceland, as we heard in in ireland, in heard earlier in in ireland, in canada, they're saying , well, canada, they're saying, well, actually, if you don't agree with our ideology, that's hate speech. equivalent of speech. that's the equivalent of racism. you set racism. and if you set a precedent saying we can lock you up who knows where up for it, then who knows where it's going to lead? >> absolutely. and we've seen time and again people who >> absolutely. and we've seen time ijokes. again people who >> absolutely. and we've seen time ijokes. now,ain people who >> absolutely. and we've seen time ijokes. now, someople who >> absolutely. and we've seen time ijokes. now, some of.e who >> absolutely. and we've seen time ijokes. now, some of these make jokes. now, some of these jokes particularly funny jokes are not particularly funny and they seen to be and they they can be seen to be in poor taste. and people have been criminal as result. >> yes. >> yes. >> so it is very worrying. >> so it is very worrying. >> speaking poor taste, >> speaking of poor taste, bruce, so what do you think about these messages? i mean, obviously right? >> it abhorrent. i'm i'm i'm >> it is abhorrent. i'm i'm i'm

you know , i have no truck with you know, i have no truck with anyone who is actively racist. i just think it's appalling. but then what about boris and his whatsapp messages ? whatsapp messages? >> oh, yes. >> oh, yes. >> i just mean , if this guy was >> i just mean, if this guy was done for racism, was boris not meant to be handing over messages that could have incriminated him? so why isn't that happening? >> think the difference here >> i think the difference here is these were messages that is that these were messages that were complainant. so were sent to the complainant. so i that person, she she's i think that person, she she's saying a form of saying this is a form of harassment. words, harassment. in other words, i suppose. is, yeah. but suppose. well, it is, yeah. but my what i don't understand about that is, you know, i get called all of things online all sorts of things online actually explicitly actually quite explicitly homophobic for >> apologise for that. >> apologise for that. >> it's all from him. but >> yeah. it's all from him. but you bring this on yourself. i do slightly bring it on myself. >> for everyone. am. >> not for everyone. no, i am. >> not for everyone. no, i am. >> made that point. yeah >> no, it's fine. you know, look, the threats and all the rest of it, because i am annoying. i get it. but the thing about it is, is that i just block them and get on with my and what don't my life. and what i don't understand why didn't understand is why. why didn't she just. you can block phone numbers and move on.

>> i totally i totally get everything you're saying. >> time. >> yeah. i mean, i am jail time. yeah. i'm embroiled yeah. no, i mean, i'm embroiled in online abuse as the perpetrator. yes. so i don't want right. away want that. right. taken away from no, because some from me. no no, because some people told that's. people need to be told that's. >> that's enough. >> that's fair enough. >> that's fair enough. >> my name is nadine. >> my name is nadine. >> your obsession with nadine is very disturbing. anyway, we've got francesca. got a question from francesca. where's francesca? hi. >> my question is, was picasso racist? >> was picasso a racist? i wouldn't about that. he's wouldn't know about that. he's been accused of sexism, i think was accused of being a was he not accused of being a misogynist? but misogynist? yes he was. but there has been a breaking news story this week. it's his grandson, i believe, has come out defended him. yeah. and out and defended him. yeah. and so okay. was so it said, okay. so he was a womaniser. was a philanderer womaniser. he was a philanderer . lots of different . he had lots of different women. he mistreated a lot of women. he mistreated a lot of women. i think he said some pretty unpleasant about pretty unpleasant things about women.but latin america and >> but but latin america and he's spanish . he's spanish. >> that's our culture mate. so what we do. >> so this a culture difference? >> of course it is. >> so i have to respect your rights. >> yes, absolutely. >> yes, absolutely. >> to be to be obnoxious. >> to be to be obnoxious. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so you have number one, you have respect right. number have to respect my right. number two, have a latin

two, i actually have a latin american girlfriend. and if she's angry, so some times, she's very angry, so some times, you know, they're feisty, is what i'm saying. >> but the thing this weird thing about picasso, right ? thing about picasso, right? loads have hannah loads of people have hannah gadsby her special. did that gadsby in her special. did that whole about picasso whole thing about how picasso was a monster and all was evil and a monster and all the but is it not the rest of it. but is it not a bit patronising to the women because the grandson is saying, look, all of these women knew what he was and they what an idiot he was and they got anyway. so to say to got into it anyway. so to say to them that they victims them that they are victims somehow is kind of it's almost anti—feminist. >> i never thought about it that way. is as well, way. but the thing is as well, the same was said robert the same was said about robert burns, scotland's national bard. it philanderer it was a philanderer and a womaniser kind of womaniser and all this kind of stuff. yeah. you have to stuff. yeah. do you have to remember that some people. okay, people advantage of people do take advantage of people do take advantage of people kind of people and all this kind of stuff. but i think some women would have with picasso so would have gone with picasso so they mention at a dinner they could mention at a dinner party. oh, absolutely. >> i would >> what an anecdote. i would have itin >> what an anecdote. i would have it in a heartbeat. have done it in a heartbeat. >> hempstead. well, >> hemel hempstead. yeah. well, clearly, you would clearly, yeah. yeah. you would love painted on one side. >> oh, of n side. >> oh, of course i would. >> oh, of course i would. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> but no, i think i think >> but yeah, no, i think i think

when you've got people coming in to the rights of other to defend the rights of other people, just oh, people, you're just like, oh, you have be quiet. you have to be quiet. >> interesting >> that's interesting about burns i'd someone just burns as well. i'd someone just drops it. it's all kicking off at back basically. okay. at the back basically. okay. it's about it's interesting about robert burns of yes, burns because, of course, yes, he wrote some letters which some feminists said are feminists have said these are really he's really problematic because he's really problematic because he's really but he really misogynistic. but he wrote good poetry. wrote really good poetry. so can't keep the poetry can't we keep the poetry and not worry it? worry about the rest of it? >> absolutely. was it not a long time ago? >> it was quite a long time ago. >> it was quite a long time ago. >> people always wanting to respect get respect retrospectively get people annoy or people in jail or annoy them or all that of stuff. again, all that kind of stuff. again, take hammer i'm so done. >> so done. okay. right. well, we're going to move on now. i think we've another question think we've got another question in this section. this from think we've got another question in tiis section. this from think we've got another question in tiis actually this from think we've got another question in tiis actually an s from think we've got another question in tiis actually an email)m this is actually an email question from charlotte. so thanks for emailing although thanks for emailing in. although she the effort and she should make the effort and turn you know, there's wine turn up, you know, there's wine and all sorts of and cheese and all sorts of stuff. so her question is stuff. anyway so her question is do home office officials really want to change gender every day? right now? i read about this in the telegraph. this is non—binary male non—binary staff. they get male and security passes and female security passes because want to because some of them want to change day day, change gender day by day, which gets confusing. yes.

gets quite confusing. yes. should to do should they be allowed to do that? no. right. is that because it's issue or are you it's a security issue or are you just you're just being a bigot? >> i'm just being a bigger that's i'm every day, that's why i'm here every day, mate. that's why i'm here every day, ma'do you know i mean? >> do you know what i mean? >> do you know what i mean? >> even when i'm not here, i'm hanging out by the toilets. but so my. however. no, of course it's a security. >> well, security issue, >> well, it's a security issue, but also just a bit bonkers but it's also just a bit bonkers , it? , isn't it? >> like it's just bit nuts. >> like it's just a bit nuts. look can indulge somebody a look you can indulge somebody a little but it comes a point little bit, but it comes a point where you go, no, we have to live within the realms of reality. see, you can't have two separate of what you're separate ideas of what you're going have two separate passports. >> bit like schmiegel and >> it's a bit like schmiegel and gollum, isn't it? in lord of the rings, you can rings, you know, one day you can be this and one day you can be like this and one day you can be like this and one day you can be something else. be like something else. >> mean, over and above what >> i mean, over and above what anyone thinks about it. i just kind think greta kind of think about greta thunberg and the fact that, you know, there plastics they're thunberg and the fact that, you kn0\forhere plastics they're thunberg and the fact that, you kn0\for the plastics they're thunberg and the fact that, you kn0\for the environment. hey're thunberg and the fact that, you knoyeah,1e environment. hey're thunberg and the fact that, you knoyeah, they vironment. hey're thunberg and the fact that, you knoyeah, they vironme|thoughte thunberg and the fact that, you knoyeah, they vironme|thought of >> yeah, they haven't thought of that. you know, and they're that. no you know, and they're meant to be woke. >> yes. >> yes. >> but they're actually destroying the planet. >> destroying the >> they aren't destroying the planet. yeah, planet. yeah. so, yeah, yeah, i think that. who

think there's that. but who doesn't it? listen, i've doesn't have it? listen, i've just done the edinburgh fringe where you don't a where if you don't have a lanyard, you're a lanyard, you're not really a real person. yeah, that's right. i a lot of people get i think a lot of people get overexcited edinburgh. they overexcited in edinburgh. they have coffee, a clipboard have a big coffee, a clipboard and lanyard you not want. and a lanyard you do not want. i love those. >> those reviewers who >> those student reviewers who get lanyard and three get a press lanyard and three year three year olds. yeah, they're three year olds. yeah, they're three year can't. exactly. year olds. just can't. exactly. and just fawn all over and people just fawn all over them desperate them because they're desperate for love it. for reviews and they love it. don't they? they lap it up. they lap the lanyard. lap up the lanyard. >> they do. heard it >> they do. they do. heard it here first. yeah, the lanyard. >> but they're terrible critics and got nothing to and they've got nothing to say because they don't anything because they don't know anything because they don't know anything because embryos. because they don't know anything because they embryos. because they don't know anything because they give ryos. because they don't know anything because they give you good >> unless they give you a good review, which case we must, review, in which case we must, as plaster it all over your as you plaster it all over your poster. >> p coui'se f— >> yeah, of course i'll take anything anyone anything from anyone anyway. yeah. let's go yeah. no. yeah. let's not go down road. okay. still to down that road. okay. still to come free speech nation come on free speech nation psychologist peterson psychologist jordan peterson has been to take social been ordered to take social media potentially media training or potentially lose

>> you're listening to gb news radio . welcome back to free radio. welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle and ontario court has upheld a ruling ordering psychologists and author dr. jordan peterson to undergo social media training due to controversial posts. >> he has shared over the last few years. peterson was forced to comply with the order after the court judges dismissed his legal complaint against the college of psychologists of ontario earlier this year , the ontario earlier this year, the academic body claimed that some of his social media posts could be viewed as professional misconduct and asked that he

completed course. so earlier completed the course. so earlier today , jordan peterson reacted today, jordan peterson reacted today, jordan peterson reacted to decision on his to the court's decision on his youtube channel. let's take a look youtube channel. let's take a loo been a court >> been awaiting a court decision in canada with regards to the ontario college of psychology decision to require a me to be re—educated in relationship to my social media use or to lose my licence the court ruled today in favour of the college . they claimed that the college. they claimed that i have the right to free speech in canada, but subject to apparently whatever limitations the college wants to place on me and by implication , every other and by implication, every other professional in canada and by implication. >> so with us to discuss the court decision and its wider impact is journalist and author ella whelan . hello, this is this ella whelan. hello, this is this is a disturbing case, isn't it? i mean, it's not as though the tweets that he's posted are sort of fascist or racist or that kind of stuff. the tweets that he has posted are , i suppose, he has posted are, i suppose, gender critical. in one sense. they they are quite abrupt

sometimes they are offensive to sometimes they are offensive to some people , but that's it. some people, but that's it. their personal opinions. >> yeah, it is. it is telling that it's all to do with some of the stuff he said about elliot page a lot of the stuff that he said about and the question of trans ideology and his particular view, which as it happens, a of people share happens, a lot of people share of gender critical and of being gender critical and having questions having some serious questions about, , medication about, you know, medication relating to children and things that most of us i think are quite normal and he's got them bang to rights. i mean, this ruling really does say that you have free speech, but with the emphasis on the but well, they've even said it in the statement. yeah. and that it's quite actually in a in a weird way and it's good that jordan peterson is going to be he's threatened to be very public about all. about this and reveal it all. it's that these kind of it's good that these kind of cases come to light because a lot of this is often very sneaky, very underhand headed, and really to and nobody ever really wants to come and say we're for come out and say we're for censorship. you know, we're censorship. we you know, we're the censoring the ones that think censoring should it's should should happen. it's always of a more subtle

always a sort of a more subtle approach. and have it written approach. and to have it written there have cases there and to have have cases like reveal extent of like this reveal the extent of censorship. and, you know, some people have twitter, people have joked on twitter, who is going to be this poor social media manager who's going to have sit down with jordan to have to sit down with jordan peterson, who's going to broadcast millions of broadcast it to millions of people and tell him how to use twitter. >> t- t— e it's quite i mean, >> it's quite it's quite i mean, the re—education, the idea of re—education, i mean, bizarre . but mean, it's so bizarre. but you're is in you're right, he is in a position to do this. he actually said in his youtube statement about that, know, he about this that, you know, he hasn't been able to practise since 2017 anyway because of because of activists and the rest he is in a rest of it. so he is in a position he can do this. he can take a stand and he can push back because there must be other people that this is affecting. who lose their jobs who would just lose their jobs if to complain. if they tried to complain. >> well, yeah, it's on >> well, yeah, it's i mean, on tarrio particular a bit of tarrio in particular is a bit of a basket case. i mean, someone that, who's been on a basket case. i mean, someone thatshow who's been on a basket case. i mean, someone thatshow before who's been on a basket case. i mean, someone thatshow before and s been on a basket case. i mean, someone thatshow before and who's| on a basket case. i mean, someone thatshow before and who's very the show before and who's very big in terms of talking about free speech. joanna williams back may, went to back in may, this year went to give lecture on, funnily give a lecture on, funnily enough, on people with gender critical views being silenced or women talking about sex and

gender being silenced at a pubuc gender being silenced at a public in ontario, which public library in ontario, which was cancelled, was kind of was cancelled, which was kind of proving point, did they not proving her point, did they not realise they're proving her point? >> that's just a demonstration point? >>the at's just a demonstration point? >>the reasont a demonstration point? >>the reason whyemonstration point? >>the reason whyem0| speech 1 exists. >> i don't think they care. i think it was just it's there's a there's kind trend , there's a kind of trend, particularly canada is very bad for a trend and with for it. there's a trend and with a a practised cowardice a sort of a practised cowardice around these issues, which is that rather than , you know, that rather than, you know, take on kind views that maybe on the kind of views that maybe if disagree jordan if you disagree with jordan peterson his views around peterson on, on his views around and self id or medication around trans ideology or things like that, instead of taking them on the emphasis and the desire is always to just hit the ban button, hit the silence button . button, hit the silence button. and that's obviously very bad for public debate . but and, you for public debate. but and, you know , as much as jordan peterson know, as much as jordan peterson has the cash, the resources , the has the cash, the resources, the status to be able to stand up for himself, there are lots of people who don't have that . people who don't have that. obviously, we're not quite as bad as canada yet, but in the uk, we still have some very serious issues. i mean, the

interesting thing that came out with particular case was with this particular case was the that social media the idea that social media training would be the solution. the i, i think it tells you a lot about the approach to the question of free speech or the question of free speech or the question of free speech or the question of public debate, which is it's all about sort of how you package things up. and if you package things up. and if you to use the right kind you learn to use the right kind of language on social media, then you'll be right. and then you'll be all right. and it's not really dealing with the ideological it's not really dealing with the ideoloon. |l going on. >> some some of jordan >> i suppose some some of jordan peterson's detractors would make the argument in all the argument that, well, in all sorts jobs, we can't just sorts of jobs, we can't just tweet. however we you tweet. however we like. you know, when i was a school teacher, there were certain things. there were lines things. there were certain lines that have been able that i wouldn't have been able to on social it to post on on social media. it would never occurred to would never have occurred to me to so. is there an argument to do so. is there an argument to do so. is there an argument to said for that? to be said for that? >> well, it's interesting because the argument goes that jordan like jordan peterson is acting like a sort psychologist, sort of public psychologist, that fact that actually, despite the fact that actually, despite the fact that hasn't patience or, that he hasn't got patience or, you know , is taking on clients you know, is taking on clients or anything on an individual bafis or anything on an individual basis that his positioning of himself sort of the dad of himself as a sort of the dad of psychology . psychology. >> well, a public intellectual,

you he's going you know, he's going to be tweeting. >> the argument goes >> that means the argument goes that means that is that that means that he is representing profession and representing the profession and therefore subject to the kind therefore is subject to the kind of tenuous think. of very tenuous i think. >> i do think it's very tenuous. >> i do think it's very tenuous. >> and, you know, you only have to these things. there's >> and, you know, you only have to taese things. there's >> and, you know, you only have to ta balancing there's >> and, you know, you only have to ta balancing thegoing on always a balancing act going on here, is that, okay, here, which is that, okay, professionalism any kind of professionalism in any kind of particular professionalism in any kind of partic related to medical or those related to medical or mental health, serious mental health, are serious things. want to things. i don't want to pooh—pooh that consideration , pooh—pooh that consideration, but on balance, the idea that you would say that individuals have voice their have no right to voice their political and public opinions on platforms like twitter, which have become , you know, quite have become, you know, quite vital public spaces for discourse and debate that you would have to be silenced, you know, or trained to say the right thing. i think that's the worst evil here. that's the more dangerous thing. that sort of self promotion of self censorship. >> and isn't it really that what they're punishing him for is not having the opinions that they agree with? i mean, one of the complaints has that one of complaints has been that one of the was a criticism of the tweets was a criticism of justin trudeau and that

apparently, according to this justin trudeau and that appariwhat according to this justin trudeau and that appariwhat a> particularly in >> i mean, particularly in canada. you can't criticise. canada. but you can't criticise. >> well, let's talk about that. >> well, let's talk about that. >> i mean, canada has particular problems here. i mean, saw problems here. i mean, we saw this the truckers protest this with the truckers protest where you had leading mainstream politicians effectively smearing these and these people as fascists and saying things like saying ridiculous things like the honk honk when they were honking the horns, that that meant. h.h. and was a code meant. h.h. and that was a code for hitler that not for heil hitler that was not coming from some idiot blogger. that a mainstream politician that was a mainstream politician in going in canada. what's going on there? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and you know, much as >> and you know, as much as trudeau and the people who support kind action in support this kind of action in canada to see themselves canada like to see themselves as ultra range , ultra liberal, very open range, also flagged all the rest of it . and actually, given its extreme authoritarian, if you look at what happened in relation to the truckers, not just the way they were treated, but also the fact that they had their private finance sources frozen you know, basically frozen and, you know, basically sequestered were sequestered because they were putting forward a political opinion that that, you know, the people some people didn't agree with . and so there's always this with. and so there's always this kind of cloak and dagger action,

which is the appearances of which is that the appearances of being very liberal, the capital. but in actual fact the you know the test of someone's true belief in freedom, in liberty, not liberalism, but liberty is thatis not liberalism, but liberty is that is whether or not you have a sense of tolerance , whether or a sense of tolerance, whether or not you're able to defend other people's right to say things. i mean, one of the things that you. jordan peterson has said on twitter that got him into trouble in relation to this, was he talked about a plus size model as not being beautiful and calling her fat and things like that. and know, i don't that. and you know, i don't think a particularly think that's a particularly great to do. i would great thing to do. i would probably that probably be quite off about that if that model. indeed, as if i was that model. indeed, as a woman would quite annoyed a woman it would quite annoyed me. idea you would me. but the idea that you would approach kind of things, approach these kind of things, the these kind the approach, these kind of debates people who debates or approach people who have views to you have different views to you or even a views find even a views that you find appalling. yes. by throwing your toys out the pram and saying that have to go and that they have to go and re—education courses , i think re—education courses, i think it says about and your says more about you and your ability in adult ability to engage in adult debate does them. debate than it does about them. >> well, that tweet, you >> well, even that tweet, you see, out context, it

see, because out of context, it could sound like just teenage mudslinging, that kind of thing, could sound like just teenage muccallingg, that kind of thing, could sound like just teenage muccalling people (ind of thing, could sound like just teenage muccalling people (ind of the1g, just calling people fat on the internet. actually, was internet. actually, he was making point, wasn't making a broader point, wasn't he, aesthetics and he, about aesthetics and about the in which the idea that the way in which the idea that with art and modern with modern art and modern aesthetics anything aesthetics that anything goes. it's subjective view. and it's about subjective view. and there there is a there is an argument, there is a debate be had about this. there is an argument, there is a debatthere)e had about this. there is an argument, there is a debatthere)e and about this. there is an argument, there is a debatthere)e a debatet this. there is an argument, there is a debatthere)e a debate toris. there is an argument, there is a debatthere)e a debate to be had yeah there is a debate to be had about it. >> it's probably not one i'd want to my time on, but want to waste my time on, but but you this is the thing but you know, this is the thing i think on twitter, it's interesting that this has all come about around social come about around his social media has media use because twitter has become influential become an incredibly influential place, fact place, despite the fact that most people do treat it a of most people do treat it a lot of the teenage the time like a teenage mudslinging fact that means that politicians as well as public figures, mean, what are the figures, i mean, what are the fascinating is one fascinating things is that one of the academics who was key in being kind critic of jordan being a kind of critic of jordan peterson has, you know, these peterson has, you know, as these things happen, someone's things always happen, someone's dug her not so old dug up one of her not so old tweets calling someone a bit age and saying , tweets calling someone a bit age and saying, you tweets calling someone a bit age and saying , you know, horrible and saying, you know, horrible stuff about somebody interesting. and, you know, this is somebody who claims that peterson was bringing the profession into disrepute by

using harmful words. yes so, you know, everyone's always a hypocrite in these things. and it's far safer to just stick to the free speech line and say, oh , defend your right to say whatever you like as you know, as long as you also defend my right. >> and even it's strident, if >> and even if it's strident, if he's saying that, you know, we shouldn't be saying that plus size beautiful size people are beautiful because allows because that in a sense allows bad poor health, or bad health, poor health, or suggest that this is this is something that should something that people should aspire a reasonable aspire to. that's a reasonable point of view. and people can be to free offended. but to to free get offended. but to silence to say needs to silence him, to say he needs to be retrained. and it sounds be retrained. and it all sounds very of stalinist, but it very kind of stalinist, but it does stalinist. does sound stalinist. >> the problem, i >> and part of the problem, i think, like me, think, for someone like me, we've got i help run the battle ofideas we've got i help run the battle of ideas festival , which we've got i help run the battle of ideas festival, which is taking place at end of taking place at the end of october, and you can still get your and one of the key your tickets and one of the key themes we're looking is themes that we're looking at is how these kind of culture wars that are really framed around questions of free speech, whether about aesthetics whether they're about aesthetics and fat or thin, or and being fat or thin, or whether they're about gender, ideology, racism, some of the lots the things been

lots of the things we've been talking on the this talking about on the show this evening lot of it evening about how a lot of it really boils down to really all boils down to a question of freedom of speech and a lot of that discussion about free is happening about free speech is happening on whether or not, on social media, whether or not, you you think big tech you know, you think big tech companies be in control companies should be in control of whether you think of it, whether or not you think governments should in control of it, whether or not you think goverwhethershould in control of it, whether or not you think goverwhether or�*uld in control of it, whether or not you think goverwhether or not in control of it, whether or not you think goverwhether or not youn control of it, whether or not you think goverwhether or not you think rol of it, whether or not you think social media experts as jordan peterson says, whoever .they are, i they're going to i mean, they're going to get some old out of some some 20 year old out of university probably university. they're probably the most social media. most expert on social media. >> well, certainly using >> yeah, well, certainly using it, not sort of deciding the it, but not sort of deciding the parameters of acceptable thought. >> exactly. and you it all >> exactly. and you know, it all really to who do you really boils down to who do you trust your own speech trust to police your own speech 7 trust to police your own speech ? answer should always ? and the answer should always be yes and the answer be yourself. yes and the answer actually always that actually should always be that you accountable yourself you are accountable to yourself and to public who you and to the public who you interact with, and that the solution to opposing views , to solution to opposing views, to difficult views, to sometimes disgusting views like the police officer you were just talking about, is not to pretend like they don't exist by silencing them, but to investigate them , them, but to investigate them, maybe to poo poo them if that's

what's required. but to , you what's required. but to, you know, treat treat people and other and other views with the kind of seriousness that they deserve because the outcome i think of and this is sort of something that we're going to look at at the battle is the outcome of progress of any kind of move in society towards a progressive future. has to be based on a fundamental line of baseline of freedom of speech, freedom of conscience and taking liberty seriously . liberty seriously. >> well, i do look forward to the battle of ideas every year. it's the last weekend of october, is that right? >> 28th and 29th, weekend of debates. >> hundreds of speakers from around the world. it's really worth people coming along to that. i'll there well. that. and i'll be there as well. so ella thank you very so ella whelan, thank you very much joining me. so ella whelan, thank you very much joining me . next on much for joining me. next on free speech nation, as we discussed earlier in the show, it has been a lively week for donald trump. when is it not a criminal defence lawyer will be here to tell us just how much trouble trump is in. but first, let's get your latest weather looks like things are heating up

i >> -- >> boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . i'm craig snell. we're looking ahead to the new week. for most of us, it's going to stay changeable. some further spells of also some of sunshine, but also some further rain at times. so as we end sunday, we've got this weak weather front which will gradually spread its a gradually spread its way a little further eastwards. little bit further eastwards. a ridge pressure trying to ridge of high pressure trying to build in from monday. it may well settle things down well just settle things down briefly, but end sunday, briefly, but as we end sunday, you that weather you can just see that weather front just gradually its front just gradually working its way eastwards. patchy. way eastwards. rain very patchy. and we'll see plenty and either side we'll see plenty of spells and under the of clear spells and under the clear we may see clear skies, we may just see some mist fog for some patchy mist and fog for most cities, however, most towns and cities, however, temperatures staying comfortably in figures . so as we in double figures. so as we start monday, a bank holiday for most us, a bright start for most of us, a bright start for a lot of us actually. still this area of cloud across central areas and that will just spread its a little bit further its way a little bit further eastwards. and as we go into the afternoon, actually many parts seeing and

seeing some cloud around and that will be thick enough that cloud will be thick enough in produce some in places to produce some showers, focussed across showers, mainly focussed across western scotland and northern ireland. for most it's a warmer feeling see highs feeling day could see highs reaching around 2122 down towards the south eastern corner into tuesday, a very similar day . a lot of dry weather around, but there be showers. but there will be some showers. this line of showers will just gradually spread its way a little further southwards as little bit further southwards as we course of the we go through the course of the day. then later on, some day. and then later on, some blustery showers working into the scotland the far northwest of scotland wednesday, still, but wednesday, similar still, but then on thursday, we could see a longer spell of rain arriving from the west throughout the day i >> -- >> looks like things are heating up . boxed boilers proud sponsors up. boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on

listening to gb news. radio >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation the remarkable legal circus surrounding donald trump stopped off in georgia this week as the former president surrendered at fulton county jail on charges relating to his attempt to overturn the state's 2020 election results. he was only inside the jail for around 20 minutes, becoming the first president in history to have his mugshot taken by police . now, mugshot taken by police. now, trump is the clear frontrunner to be republican candidate in next presidential next year's presidential election, now been election, but he's now been arrested times in five arrested four times in five months, twice on charges relating to the 2020 election, once due to his apparent attempt to keep star stormy daniels quiet about their alleged

affair. and once over his handung affair. and once over his handling of classified material . after losing that election to joe biden. so there's a lot to unpack here, but here to help, it's the criminal defence lawyer, joseph qatar monson . lawyer, joseph qatar monson. joseph, thanks for joining me. >> so you've seen the mugshot. >> so you've seen the mugshot. >> it went absolutely viral and it's really helped his campaign. it's helped him to raise millions of dollars. do you think actually this is think that actually this is backfiring? it's very interesting, isn't it? >> he has to double down on everything. yeah he has to make the best of it because it's probably not a situation that he would have picked. who would have in have thought we'd be living in these mug shots in these times? famous mug shots in history. cash, history. johnny cash, kurt cobain or donald j. trump? yes i think that this is interesting because the way in which the political narrative, because of the way in which the political narrative intersects with the legal one. >> well, that's interesting, isn't it? i mean, a lot of people have made the case that what is happening here is that the legal is being the legal system is being weaponized against a political opponent. think there's weaponized against a political oppimerit think there's weaponized against a political oppimerit in think there's

weaponized against a political oppimerit in that? think there's any merit in that? >> think absolutely is. >> i think there absolutely is. but that doesn't necessarily mean evidence is not but that doesn't necessarily metevidence. evidence is not but that doesn't necessarily metevidence. there'sce is not but that doesn't necessarily metevidence. there's a is not but that doesn't necessarily metevidence. there's a strange the evidence. there's a strange system in the us, isn't there, where order to become where in order to become a senior attorney, a district attorney, state's attorney, attorney, a state's attorney, you have it by—election. you have to do it by—election. in states. yes. that's a in most states. yes. that's a strange situation because it means that even as judge, you means that even as a judge, you have a political have to have a political affiliation . and creates affiliation. and that creates this possibility of , affiliation. and that creates this possibility of, as affiliation. and that creates this possibility of , as say, this possibility of, as you say, weaponization, having said that, the is the evidence, the evidence is the evidence, but irrespective of the evidence, i suppose you could say that even if even let's say that even if even if, let's say, legal wasn't say, the legal system wasn't being weaponized here, it is certainly being perceived that way. >> and that perception is what's going it? going to help trump, isn't it? >> think right. but of >> i think that's right. but of course, if he's convicted, then i believe saying it. i can't believe i'm saying it. if convicted , then none of if he's convicted, then none of that mean so talk that will mean anything. so talk me the legal me through the legal ramifications here. >> if have a candidate >> if can we have a candidate for the president who's in jail? yes we can. >> we the way in which the american legal system works is this. you can you can be facing charges. for example . well, and charges. for example. well, and if the public if the public say

that you that you're to going be their commander in chief, that is the final say that is the final judicial and democratic vote, which which kind of casts the fate of the nation . the fate of the nation. >> and then if he were to win the election, could he pardon himself? >> that's a difficult question, because on the he faces two federal indictments and two state ones, the state ones are kind of duplicated because we'll see in the fulton county local one in respect of the alleged overt turning of the georgia results . well, that's a state results. well, that's a state one that's in court tomorrow. yes. but in respect of that one, it's not so easy for him to pardon himself because the governor in georgia, it's a peculiarity . he doesn't have the peculiarity. he doesn't have the right to pardon somebody. the president can't pardon himself because it's a state thing. there's a state committee . my there's a state committee. my understanding is that they're particularly miserly in that state committee as to who they

pardon. but we are talking about long potential jail sentences here, aren't we? rico, his co—defendant , his co—defendant co—defendant, his co—defendant is rudolph giuliani , who is rudolph giuliani, who pioneered the use of racketeering being a. the rico charges. yes he pioneered the use of rico in the 1980s, which basically outlaws corrupt practises across organisations, kind of like the law on conspiracy here. yes . the conspiracy here. yes. the challenging thing for him in that regard is that these are these are offences that can carry 20 years easily and what can you imagine as a worse more aggravating version of a sentencing exercise than somebody who is convicted of knowingly and wilfully attempting to overturn the results of a national election? so there's something very dramatic about the idea of him running an election campaign

from prison cell, like some from a prison cell, like some sort of gangster, you know, like and is your scenario . i'm and this is your scenario. i'm not no. not envisaging it. no. >> know, it could >> but you know, it could potentially happen. but but then surely he's elected, what, surely if he's elected, what, he's be president from prison? >> know enough about the >> i don't know enough about the republican party rules to know whether that having whether that even having received the nomination, that couldn't be withdrawn from him. right. an american right. i'm not an american political scientist. can't political scientist. i can't imagine a scenario where where a sitting president had already been sent somebody . been sent somebody. >> well, it's also inconceivable. it's completely like a pantomime. it is. i mean , don't the american people want some sort of normality again when it comes to politics? well if they wanted normality, they voted donald j. >> trump in 2016. i think you know that i represented the chief of operations of cambridge analytica in connection with the whole facebook data thing here. and, you know, the thing that struck me in particular was in that milieu, you have a combination in in the trump camp of actually hardworking, competent individuals . and

competent individuals. and occasionally these very intense, very confident , slight screw very confident, slight screw loose characters for whom anything is possible as murray walker once said, anything can happenin walker once said, anything can happen in motor racing, and it often does so in terms of the charges and in terms of the evidence. >> what i don't know if you want to give your opinion, but i'm going to ask anyway. do you think it is likely that he's going to be found guilty? >> i'm not the jury and i can >> i'm not on the jury and i can say this. there's certain evidence which is challenging specifically in relation to the mar a lago. classified documents charge , which i think is charge, which i think is probably the second the second least threatening to him. yes. well those audio transcriptions , if they really reflect what was said and the audio matches that in which he's pointing to classified documents and saying, look, i could have declassified this, but i didn't. i think that's at least a criminal conviction. but is that any way near as serious as what's alleged in this case? absolutely not. and i think proving

alleging rico is one thing, proving it is another . the proving it is another. the reason we have 18 co—defendants is the prosecute forni. in that case, fani willis in that case will be hoping that people break ranks and plead if that happens, their guilty pleas are evidence of the conspiracy. they're also evidence that that that could be admissible against donald j. trump that he knew about it. right. we will expect witnesses to turn some may give evidence for the state. if that happens, things could become a little bit hot and spicy. >> but so much of donald trump's appeali >> but so much of donald trump's appeal, i mean, it started with the whole drain. the swamp idea, this idea that there's a kind of elite, mainstream that is working the interests of working against the interests of the will use all the people that will use all kinds know, underhand kinds of, you know, underhand tactics . tactics. >> andrew i think you're right. i think it feeds into his narrative. like said, he narrative. like i said, he probably wouldn't have chosen this, to this, but his only play is to make the best of it. he says they're not indicting me. they're indicting all of you. right? i'm the one who stands in the way . he's

right? i'm the one who stands in the way. he's putting himself in the way. he's putting himself in the position of martyr before the position of martyr before the arrows even really begin to hit. >> it's very clever, actually. and you know that mug shot is one of the most viral tweets of all millions and millions all time. millions and millions and people seen and millions of people have seen this. mean, he's used this. that's i mean, he's used something was meant to something that was meant to humiliate him, his advantage. humiliate him, to his advantage. his tucker his interview with tucker carlson day, viewed carlson the other day, viewed over 200 million times, far more than any mainstream media outlet, although the views don't necessarily mean support. >> i'm very , very interested in >> i'm very, very interested in what's happened in a kind of ghouush what's happened in a kind of ghoulish and voyeuristic way. i don't really care what happens to the way. but to donald trump, by the way. but i to say, can't believe i have to say, i can't believe we're living with these times. and like many people, i can't tear away, tear myself away from the screen. >> it's a drama and it is >> no, it's a drama and it is compelling. but joseph corey johnson, thank you so much for joining me . so next on free joining me. so next on free speech nation, it'll be time for social sensations. so we'll be discussing the sexism scandal, which is rocking the football world and ask why parents have

started cracking eggs on their babies heads . don't go anywhere

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. it's time for social sensations . this is the part of the show we devote to the videos that have been dominating social media this week. and first up is the video which made headlines across globe. sparked a huge

across the globe. sparked a huge sexism row. this is president of spanish federation spanish football federation who kissed a female football player on the lips after she helped spain to win the world cup final . let's have a look now. >> although in the last few years , we're going to see a years, we're going to see a moment all the time about to lift the women's national team . lift the women's national team. >> she'll join iniesta, who scored in that final . scored in that final. >> so very hands on. and of course, it's caused a huge debate this week. this has been dominating everything. what frances, what do you make of that? that's not professional, is it? >> no, that's not professional, mate. and not we would mate. and it's not what we would do gb news. you know, just do at gb news. you know, just before you're about to on, before you're about to go on, someone smacker you someone puts a smacker on you know, particularly know, you know, particularly after a belting after i do a belting performance, i say i'm quite disappointed. >> sounds you are >> it sounds like you are disappointed, be honest. disappointed, to be honest. >> it is quite >> it isn't. it is quite unprofessional, though. >> that's what i would >> yeah, that's what i would have just i mean, have thought. is it just i mean, a of people are saying that

a lot of people are saying that he just got caught the he just got caught up in the moment. he was so excited about spain winning world that spain winning the world cup that he really thinking. do he wasn't really thinking. do you that's a reasonable you think that's a reasonable defence? i think needs defence? i don't think it needs defending personally, i don't understand is about. >> i do that with leo kearse. all the time. he really enjoys it. he says he enjoys it. >> being polite though his >> he's being polite though his breath is by the way. breath is foul, by the way. >> he's to going stop. no, >> so he's to going stop. no, i'm like, okay, he get i'm just like, okay, he did get caught the moment. is it caught up in the moment. is it really that bad? i don't know. believe it or not, i'm not a woman. so i can't comment. okay okay. >> any more comments? well i am a and i'm can i say a woman and i'm can i say stunning one? >> exactly. yeah >> exactly. yeah >> i model myself on sue perkins. oh. >> i model myself on sue peroh,. oh. >> i model myself on sue peroh, oh,. >> i model myself on sue per oh, oh, that's low >> i model myself on sue peroh, oh, that's low bar, >> oh, oh, that's a low bar, honey. we do better. you're honey. we can do better. you're at least in a dean. >> oh, goodness. right >> oh, my goodness. right >> oh, my goodness. right >> moving on. >> moving on. >> next up is the latest trend on tiktok, which is always worrying news. this is one where parents crack eggs on their children's heads . oh, look at children's heads. oh, look at this .

this. >> go crack it . >> go crack it. oh is this some weird sort of masonic ritual or or is it like a genuine culinary tfick? >> does it benefit the eggs? i don't know. i don't know what's going on. >> i don't know either. i just kind of. is that not child abuse? >> well, i think it's only an egg. i mean, if it was a bowling ball, probably, you know, your kids come in, you're not in the mood for them. >> yeah, that kind of thing. >> yeah, that kind of thing. >> i don't think it's a yeah, maybe. do you think about maybe. what do you think about this one? >> oh, look, i think all the kids are nowadays need to toughen up. >> know, started crying. >> you know, she started crying. look, know what happened look, you know what happened to me growing up? my me when i was growing up? my parents so tight. my. my parents were so tight. my. my mum used take me to a barber mum used to take me to a barber and they to pay £3 for a and they used to pay £3 for a haircut. oh, right. and then when into school, when i went into school, even the me, where

the teacher said to me, where did get your haircut. did you get your haircut. tesco's right. >> wow. >> wow. >> were em“ em" teacher. >> bullied by the teacher. look i'm in agreement with this. they need to toughen well you need to toughen up. well you know, been viewed more know, this has been viewed more than million times. than 670 million times. >> yeah. than 670 million times. >> yeewe need to start doing that. >> people this kind of, you >> people love this kind of, you know, a kid, know, smash this, get a kid, smash egg on them. smash an egg on them. >> we'll become famous. >> we'll become famous. >> okay, well, that's going to be segment in the as be a new segment in the show as of so just bring of next week. so just bring bfing of next week. so just bring bring a child along. we'll do that. okay. next up, a good lesson for life. when go and lesson for life. when you go and visit someone, not rude visit someone, do not make rude remarks if they have remarks about them if they have a recording at all. let's a camera recording at all. let's have a look. >> are you even here, dad, >> why are you even here, dad, stop i've got to talk about stop all i've got to talk about is this actually the financial problems . is this actually the financial problems. oh, i mean, i'm so excited to see tommy just not pathetic. he is so nice. he is such a good guy. i was so excited to see him today . excited to see him today. thoughts >> francis?

>> francis? >> i don't understand a word that was being said. >> okay. no genuinely. >> okay. no genuinely. >> what was going on there? >> what was going on there? >> well, i think the child had inadvertently said something offensive and then tried to act his way it. i think his way out of it. i think that's was going there that's what was going on there for, the set up nonsense . for, is the set up nonsense. >> any set up, isn't it? of course it's set up. it's like those robberies on those watch robberies on instagram as well. >> that's because they get >> that's all because they get clicks. i mean, this the clicks. i mean, this is the point. that's that's the reason for well, that's really okay >> well, that's really sad. okay well, okay. >> maybe we should stage >> well, maybe we should stage some things here and see if we >> well, maybe we should stage somgetiings here and see if we >> well, maybe we should stage somget a gs here and see if we >> well, maybe we should stage somget a viralere and see if we >> well, maybe we should stage somget a viral video. see if we can get a viral video. >> why is that child worried about financial problems? you're about financial problems? you're a grow having a child. grow up having ex—master your head diet. ex—master on your head diet. >> that's solution for >> that's the solution for everything. look, everything. okay, well, look, this of the show this is the part of the show where talk about where we're going to talk about your unfiltered dilemmas. good. and you, bruce loves this bit. people sending their problems. and about solving and bruce is all about solving problems. first dilemma and bruce is all about solving probleins. first dilemma and bruce is all about solving problein from first dilemma and bruce is all about solving problein from anna.st dilemma and bruce is all about solving problein from anna. annazmma and bruce is all about solving problein from anna. anna says, came in from anna. anna says, a group of my friends and i are going to pub quiz this going to a pub quiz this weekend. one of our friends, one of friends in group of the friends in our group is super smart really arrogant super smart and really arrogant when to pub quizzes. is when it comes to pub quizzes. is it bad don't invite him?

it bad if i don't invite him? he'll hog the quiz and ruin the fun, but we would probably win. isn't important isn't victory more important than pride? >> anna, grow up. mean, >> oh, anna, grow up. i mean, seriously, you should be lucky that can that you have someone that can win quiz. and at win you the pub quiz. and at least way, when you win, least that way, when you win, you'll be able to lord it over everyone in pub and stop everyone in the pub and stop being honour. being a dweeb. honour. >> what do you think, francis? >> what do you think, francis? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i think she should get over herself. look, victory is everything. crushing herself. look, victory is everjenemies crushing herself. look, victory is everjenemies celebrate ng your enemies and celebrate getting their ignominious defeat. >> that uplifting note, >> and on that uplifting note, thank you much joining us thank you so much forjoining us for free speech this for free speech nation. this was the when peterson the week when jordan peterson got on the wrist for his got a slap on the wrist for his unfashionable opinions. nadine dorries and donald dorries had a strop and donald trump viral as usual. thank trump went viral as usual. thank you so much to my panel, bruce trump went viral as usual. thank you so and:h to my panel, bruce trump went viral as usual. thank you so and francis! panel, bruce trump went viral as usual. thank you so and francis foster., bruce trump went viral as usual. thank you so and francis foster andrce trump went viral as usual. thank you so and francis foster and to devlin and francis foster and to all of my guests this evening. if want join us live in if you want to join us live in the and be part of our the studio and be part of our audience, you can do that just go on the screen. go to the address on the screen. ww w go to the address on the screen. ww w sro go to the address on the screen. ww w sro audiences .com. do ww w dot sro audiences .com. do come stay tuned for mark come along. stay tuned for mark dolan hosted by leo dolan tonight hosted by leo kearse tonight that's on next. oh and don't forget that headliners is every night at headliners is on every night at 11:00 the late night 11:00 that's the late night paper preview show with

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