action. we should tag them with electronic tags . do you think electronic tags. do you think that's a sensible move or perhaps a little bit unethical and unworkable from the home office once again? and does britain need a wealth tax ? the britain need a wealth tax? the labour shadow chancellor , rachel labour shadow chancellor, rachel reeves, says absolutely not. we're not going to introduce a wealth tax. we're not going to raise the higher rate of income tax momentum. and other left wing groups are not best pleased about this. as you might imagine

. so what you think? do we . so what do you think? do we need a wealth should the need a wealth tax? should the rich taxed more? now, this is rich be taxed more? now, this is a funny one. sadiq khan has put funding towards exclusively lgbt housing projects . so these are housing projects. so these are essentially called free from oppression is what these housing associations say. but is that funding segregation or progress ? and lastly, over to france . ? and lastly, over to france. france has introduced a ban on abayasin france has introduced a ban on abayas in schools . now, these abayas in schools. now, these are dresses, robe style dresses that muslim women , some muslim that muslim women, some muslim women wear. should they be bannedin women wear. should they be banned in schools? is this secularism gone too far? is this against civil liberties? let me know what you think. we've got all of that to come tonight on dewbs& co with my fantastic panel dewbs& co with my fantastic panel. but first, the latest news headlines with aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> it's a minute past six. i'm aaron armstrong. a very good news to you from the gb newsroom. let's get you up to

date with the latest on the technical issue that has been causing a failure of air traffic control systems across the uk. it has now been fixed, but it remains unclear when the huge disruption will end. national air traffic services says it's identified and remedied the problem, which has affected its flight planning system . hundreds flight planning system. hundreds of flights to and from the uk have been cancelled. many more have been cancelled. many more have been cancelled. many more have been delayed by up to 12 hours, affecting thousands of travellers. well the transport correspondent at the times , ben correspondent at the times, ben clatworthy, says the delays , clatworthy, says the delays, which are also having a huge impact across europe, are likely to continue . to continue. >> these knock on effects across the day will be very debilis waiting for airlines, particularly when crew will be going out of hours. and what we will probably see later on today is that people will be expecting to get onto planes heavily delayed and then told we're really sorry, but legally we are unable to fly this with the crew we have. so almost certainly huge knock ons later today , if

huge knock ons later today, if not into tomorrow . not into tomorrow. >> ministers are being accused of disregarding safety concerns on the bibby stockholm barge. the fire brigades union has sent a pre—action protocol letter to the home secretary raising the possibility of legal action. the union has previously described the barge as a potential death trap . the government, though, trap. the government, though, insists the vessel is safe. it has until thursday to respond to the legal letter . meanwhile, the the legal letter. meanwhile, the government's are also reportedly considering the use of electronic tags to monitor asylum seekers who arrive in the country illegally. the home secretary didn't rule it out, but says her department is working intensively to ensure it has the capacity to deliver on the new illegal migration act. police do have the resources they need to meet a government pledge to crack down on crime. that's to according the home secretary, who says police have disregarded theft and burglaries for too long, despite record numbers of officers across the uk. labour has criticised it as

a staggering admission of 13 years of tory failure. well, suella braverman says the force must follow all lines of inquiry i >> -- >> police have responded positively to my challenge, my request in committing nationwide to indeed following every reasonable line of enquiry. so that now means that in the event of a car theft, phone theft , of a car theft, phone theft, robbery or burglary, if there's cctv footage of an incident , if cctv footage of an incident, if there's dashcam footage, if there's dashcam footage, if there's smartphone footage, gps tracking evidence , a victim can tracking evidence, a victim can produce evidence of an online resale of a stolen item, the police must follow up on those leads . leads. >> police have named two people who died after driving into a flooded area in liverpool . 75 flooded area in liverpool. 75 year old elaine marco and her 77 year old elaine marco and her 77 year old elaine marco and her 77 year old husband, philip, were taken to hospital where they later died. an investigation surrounding the circumstances is underway . police say they underway. police say they received a report of concern for a couple inside a car in mossley

hill on saturday. their family says they're devastated and heartbroken . two men accused of heartbroken. two men accused of a suspected ammonia attack in gateshead have appeared in court. their accused of murdering 26 year old andy foster, who was sprayed with a substance after opening his front door on the 20th of august. he later died in hospital. kenneth fawcett and john wandless were remanded in custody until their next court date . hundreds of passengers on date. hundreds of passengers on board a cruise ship will be flown home early after it collided with a petrol tanker dunng collided with a petrol tanker during a storm in spain. this footage was taken on board the britannia, which broke free from its moorings off the coast of mallorca. a small number of people were injured. p&o says there was no structural damage, but it will return to southampton with a reduced number of people on board. prosecutors in spain have launched a preliminary sexual assault investigation into the head of the country's football federation. luis rubiales, is refusing to resign after kissing

jenni hermoso on the lips at the women's world cup final, saying it was consensual, which she denies. he has since been banned by fifa, the world governing body for 90 days. the spanish federation has been holding an extraordinary meeting to discuss the crisis . this is gb news. the crisis. this is gb news. i'll have more in about half an hours i'll have more in about half an hour's time. but now it is over to . emily to. emily >> thank you, aaron. yes. welcome to dewbs& co with me, emily carver. i'm standing in for michelle this evening and joining me until seven is my panel joining me until seven is my panel. have ben habib, ceo of panel. i have ben habib, ceo of first property group and former brexit party mep. and i also have former advisor to jeremy corbyn, james schneider. i'm corbyn, james schneider. so i'm hoping be lots of hoping there'll be lots of difference opinion for difference of opinion for everyone to respond to at home. you can get in touch with us about everything we talk about. vaiews@gbnews.com as always, and we're on twitter at gb news. so get stuck in to the so do get stuck in to the debates. we're about to have. now. i want to with what's

now. i want to start with what's been leaked, what's been in the press from the home office, what's been briefed to the broadcasters, to the papers about plans the home about various plans the home office has. they're looking at alternatives, alternative ways to try and stop people from absconding once they arrive here across the channel and they're trying to prevent them from absconding, from fleeing from their accommodation, whether it's hotel accommodation or anywhere else. because we do know this is quite a big problem. there have been reports of thousands of albanians for example, absconding from their accommodation . and of course accommodation. and of course this could be a risk to public safety. and in my view, it is the government's first duty to protect its citizens. but i want to know what my panel think about this, because lots of people have pointed out practical problems with this as a potential policy idea for ankle tags , electronic tagging , ankle tags, electronic tagging, gps tracking, perhaps it might help keep people safe , but is it help keep people safe, but is it really practical ?

really practical? >> it all sounds a bit beyond our government, doesn't it? yes. i mean, bbc stockholm hasn't housed anyone for any protracted period. and now we've got other complaints coming out about it. you know, we have a complete breakdown in governance when it comes to our borders and what we do with people who illegally enter the country. but i just want to go back to the illegal migration act, which was the bill before it obviously became the act . and when it was when it the act. and when it was when it was in quantum operation and as it went through parliament, suella braverman explained the time it was taking to get that bill through parliament, it was necessary to ensure that it actually did what we wanted of it. and the first draft of that bill stated that the secretary of state would be directed to detain and then deport people who entered the country illegally . what the act says is illegally. what the act says is that she is obliged to deport and has the right to detain and

thatis and has the right to detain and that is a marked watering down in the obligations she would have under the draft of the bill been required to detain and deport. she now has the right to detain and the obligation to deport. >> how can you deport without first detaining? >> well, that's the point. how can you deport without detaining and because she's lost the obugafion and because she's lost the obligation and only has the right to detain, she's now having to consider other mechanisms . and presumably the mechanisms. and presumably the reason they had to get rid of the obligation to detain was because we're incapable of detaining , because we don't have detaining, because we don't have the adequate space to deliver on that promise. if we were to make it to the british people. so now we're looking at convoluted schemes like tagging , and there schemes like tagging, and there are already videos on tiktok from albanians showing how you i think we can show these actually essentially albanian is posting. >> i think we could show them, well, cutting off their tags. they call them british rolexes

or something like this . exactly. or something like this. exactly. and demonstrating to how cut them off. so these clearly aren't failsafe, are they, james? but the problem is, is that the government have committed to deporting those who arrive in this country via this route by this irregular means, by this illegal route across the channel and now they don't actually have enough space to detain people before they deport them. so they're now saying that this way we keep this is the way we can keep track, people safe, make track, keep people safe, make sure we know where people are so they don't just disappear into i don't know, illegal work. the black market or worse. so what do to this? do you say to this? >> well, it's just the latest round of nonsense and it's just cruel theatre. there's not any policy purpose to it at all. the issue is there are there's a backlog of 175,000 people who are claiming asylum and ten years ago there were the resource forces to deal with all of those cases, mainly within six months. and now there are not. and so they don't get processed. so that number keeps

on going up . so bibby stockholm, on going up. so bibby stockholm, for example , of course, i think for example, of course, i think it's ridiculous to put people on these overcrowded barges with legionnaire's disease. but even if you are in favour of that sort of thing, it's maximum number is 500 people out of 175,000 people in your backlog. so if they were serious about deaung so if they were serious about dealing with the backlog, then you would hire more translators , more interpreters, more people to process the cases . you would to process the cases. you would pay to process the cases. you would pay for the legal support. that's required to do it because thatis that's required to do it because that is the way in which you're going to be able to judge people's cases and therefore assess the level of support and help that they should be given . help that they should be given. james, what about the issue deported , then they can be deported. >> what about the particular issue absconding ? because we issue of absconding? because we do know that that people do. thatis do know that that people do. that is a fact . and we do know that is a fact. and we do know particularly it was a problem that was highlighted among albanians who were crossing the channel boats. so this channel in small boats. so this is problem the government is a problem that the government does solve . and yes, does need to solve. and yes, progressing with the backlog may

help. what about those who help. but what about those who abscond soon they arrive? abscond as soon as they arrive? so is a problem that needs so that is a problem that needs to be solved. so that is a problem that needs to be s(ived. as you can see, >> no, i mean, as you can see, the tagging isn't going to help at all. it's just people that aren't to are aren't going to abscond are going their, you know, going to have their, you know, their impinged by people their rights impinged by people knowing where they are every moment day. but moment of the day. but the people are absconding people that are absconding doesn't about. if doesn't do anything about. so if what you want to look at is where are people, where are people going? where are the black and grey parts of our economy? where is minimum wage not properly enforced? that's where you have to start looking. it's not about tagging and monitoring people because they will around it. that's about will get around it. that's about enforcement laws. enforcement of our labour laws. that's working that's a that's about working with trade unions to get onto construction sites see who's construction sites to see who's working there and whether they're, the they're, to be fair, the government recently made government has recently made announcements although one announcements on, although one might little too late. might say too little too late. >> is it fundamentally >> ben, is it fundamentally cruel and inhumane to tag people anyway in any case? >> well , let's anyway in any case? >> well, let's just anyway in any case? >> well , let's just get anyway in any case? >> well, let's just get this into perspective. >> these people are entering the

united kingdom illegally, having left a safe country, taking on this perilous journey, knowing that they will be deported if the government is to be taken seriously , which perhaps they seriously, which perhaps they don't, they don't do. because, you know, our government's hopeless in delivering the promises it makes. but i don't think there's anything cruel in tagging these people. they should in my view, they should be arrested for entering the country illegally and they should be detained and then they should be detained and then they should deported. but here's should be deported. but here's the easiest way to deal with the backlog. stop more people from coming in, get border force to do what their name suggests, which is to stop the boats in the channel turn them around and send them back to france. and before anyone starts saying, oh, well, that's deeply dangerous, they're going to jump overboard board, they're going to commit all sorts self in order all sorts of self harm in order to prevent , you know, border to prevent, you know, border force from its job. force from doing its job. remember, people left a remember, these people left a safe country. they paid money to leave france. they wilfully ,

leave france. they wilfully, knowingly went into a dinghy making that dangerous journey. if they can make that dangerous journey 12.5 miles to our territorial waters, they can turn around and make the journey back to france . and we need to back to france. and we need to develop the politics, will and courage to enforce our borders. we can discuss other mechanisms by which people leave france to get to the uk, but we have to have robust border controls. >> this is the problem, isn't it? james because it's all well and good talking about out ways to try and stop people from absconding, but so long as people are able to take that dangerous route across to this country, the problem is still going to go on. and i'm not sure quite how much money we'd have to the home office in to put into the home office in order to process all of these claims speedy and timely claims in a speedy and timely fashion. it is an enormous task for government. so just to for any government. so just to come back on a couple of things that ben said, there , you know, that ben said, there, you know, we know what the result of pushbacks are and it's fine if you think that it's people

dying, people drowning in the channelis dying, people drowning in the channel is worth paying for it because we've seen. >> but james because encouraging the trade people going the trade more people are going to die. >> the more people that come across, the more people are going die, because you've going to die, because you've got to it. going to die, because you've got to no, it. going to die, because you've got to no, we see what happens with >> no, we see what happens with pushbacks we it in pushbacks because we see it in the mediterranean. it's now a mass grave. no, it's not a mass grave. yes, it is a mass grave. it's not a mass grave. >> the pushbacks been done. >> the pushbacks have been done. ad the extent that ad hoc to the extent that they've place, means they've taken place, which means to extent they've taken to the extent they've taken place, government policy. place, greek government policy. it's not greek government policy. greek policy. it is not greek government push back, government policy to push back, nor any coordinated i >> -- >> why are all the pushbacks happening greek happening if it's not greek government policy? who's doing the back then the the pushing back then the pushbacks are hoc, untrained pushbacks are ad hoc, untrained . some research to show you. because there are. there are. there are names. there are families of people who are died from those pushbacks. that's what you're calling for here. i calling for pushback. i'm calling for pushback. i'm calling to push back. i'd be informed about it. and you accept that we people with names and families and faces who will

drown people, some of whom, for example , have come from some of example, have come from some of some of whom, for example, will have come from afghanistan , who have come from afghanistan, who would have worked with british forces our failed forces during our failed occupation their country. occupation of their country. they will be killed and drown in the channel if the policy that you're putting forward is followed now, you might be happy with that. that's fine. but you have to accept that that is the consequence of your policy. now i think that i'm very much not happy with that, and i think the british people in general terms are not happy with that because that would that would for that would that would mean, for example, policy was in example, if that policy was in place, that, for example, my great grandparents might have drowned they drowned in the channel when they were across with their were coming across with their boat, back when they're boat, pushed back when they're fleeing against something, it is not country is about. fleeing against something, it is ncis country is about. fleeing against something, it is ncis completelantry is about. fleeing against something, it is ncis completely inhumane. rut. fleeing against something, it is ncis completely inhumane. okay. it is completely inhumane. okay. we what are the we can talk about what are the ways which you deal with the ways in which you deal with the with cases when they're with the cases when they're here. you people? here. how do you help people? who needs what support but to just say, no, we're going to push that that is push back knowing that that is certain for people is certain death for some people is too thing to do.

too great a thing to do. >> ben the more this trade is allowed continue, the more >> ben the more this trade is allotrade continue, the more >> ben the more this trade is allotrade is:ontinue, the more >> ben the more this trade is allotrade is encouraged; more the trade is encouraged effectively by the fiasco. that is all the policies put in place by our government . the more by our government. the more people will die in the channel. the italian government, people will die in the channel. the italian government , the the italian government, the greek government, the west balkan governments need to get together and they need to develop a trained force which pushes these boats back. like the australians did in operation sovereign borders . and if they sovereign borders. and if they know that they cannot successfully make that journey, they will stop trying to make that journey and we will solve the problem . as far as afghanis the problem. as far as afghanis are concerned, i very are concerned, i feel very strongly about that . we went to strongly about that. we went to war in a country for 22 years, leaving it in a worse state than when we entered it. but there are 4 million afghan refugees in pakistan . even if instead of pakistan. even if instead of spending the £4 billion that we did last year on housing and caring and feeding , those that caring and feeding, those that have illegally crossed the channel have illegally crossed the channel, we transmitted that money because it came out of the foreign aid budget towards

meeting the needs of those 4 million people in pakistan. we would do it. we would do a much greater humanitarian benefit . greater humanitarian benefit. >> well, this this we are this is this is the difficulty we because i don't think when it comes to compassion, we talk about having a compassionate and pragmatic policy when it comes to some to crossings. some people genuinely believe you genuinely do believe that if you took stance, then it took a harsher stance, then it would people dying in would stop people from dying in the because it would put the future because it would put an end to crossings. other an end to the crossings. other believes that is a risk believes that that is not a risk thatis believes that that is not a risk that is worth taking, and i completely understand both sides. >> it's a cruel and violent both sides worked in australia, sides have worked in australia, both of this. both sides of this. >> currently taking place >> what's currently taking place is beyond belief in terms is cruel beyond belief in terms of smugglers who of these people smugglers who are transporting people across a dangerous route and risking their but let know their lives. but let me know what you think at home. who do you with? lots of you you agree with? and lots of you are in touch about the are getting in touch about the tags, a lot of you tags, it seems a lot of you think is completely pointless because people will rip because people will just rip them so there you them off anyway. so there you go. coming britain go. but coming up, does britain need tax or are we all need a wealth tax or are we all already taxed to the

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migrant crisis in the channel. how to stop the boats, what sort of tactics we should implement. but we did start with a discussion about tagging and dave says the migrants will remove the tags within five minutes if they want to then abscond. no way to find and find them for removing them. idiotic idea a waste money, you idea and a waste of money, you could say that probably about a lot of ideas that are being lot of the ideas that are being briefed from the home office. dale says the same . they'll just dale says the same. they'll just cut tags off and disappear, keith can you see anyone keith says. can you see anyone wanting to flee from free accommodation? well, actually, you know, if you're in there for months and months on end and you can get a job in the black market or you have family elsewhere country, you elsewhere in the country, you definitely elsewhere in the country, you definiare certainly many, there are certainly many, many cases that. also there cases of that. and also there was stories of children was many stories of children being completely lost from accommodation knows accommodation and god knows where they went to, what age they . and simon says it's they were. and simon says it's about time this country started issuing cards. then you won't issuing id cards. then you won't have to take migrants. and the only people will. you'll only people people will. you'll know if people belong in the country, they have an id card

country, if they have an id card and able to work, it would and it's able to work, it would stop a lot of fraud. yes. but would that take away our fundamental civil liberties? would that take away our funianfental civil liberties? would that take away our funian ageal civil liberties? would that take away our funian age old vil liberties? would that take away our funian age old debate.ties? would that take away our funian age old debate. but�* it's an age old debate. but moving labour u—turned moving on, labour have u—turned on key policy the shadow on another key policy the shadow chancellor, reeves , has chancellor, rachel reeves, has confirmed on top confirmed an increase on the top rate tax is off the table and rate of tax is off the table and there will be absolutely no wealth tax if labour get into power . but is wealth tax if labour get into power. but is this the right move from the labour party? because taxes can be very because wealth taxes can be very popular indeed. i'll start with you, james, because you are co—founder momentum, correct co—founder of momentum, correct 7 co—founder of momentum, correct ? left group, lots of ? the left wing group, lots of pressure on the labour party to implement out left wing policies , huge numbers of labour members i imagine would be absolutely up for a big fat wealth tax. >> yes , but more importantly >> yes, but more importantly than lots of labour members being up for it, it's popular with the overwhelming majority of people in the country and that's because we have incredible levels of wealth inequality in this country. >> me and that the living standards of most people have fallen over the last two decades

and they can't be squeezed any more. whereas the wealth of the super rich and those that own a lot of assets has soared. so it seems pretty common sense to most people, not just labour . most people, not just labour. >> it sounds a bit student union to me, though. surely grow the pie, grow the pie, not be student union. >> the most student union thing i've literally ever heard is come on, let's just grow the pie, which is actually what rachel reeves she rachel reeves has said. she said, oh, no, we're not going to get any more money. she said, you tax your way you can't tax your way to prosperity, which she prosperity, which no, she didn't. >> p- p sound more >> it does sound more conservative she she, she conservative than she she, she she a route she says, i don't see a route towards having more money for pubuc public services. >> is through taxing our public services. >> there. through taxing our public services. >> there. ihrough taxing our public services. >> there. i mean, taxing our public services. >> there. i mean, the ng our public services. >> there. i mean, the thingr public services. >> there. i mean, the thing is, way there. i mean, the thing is, when you do raise taxes on the top, you do have more for top, you do have more money for pubuc top, you do have more money for public mean, that's public services. i mean, that's that's that's precisely unless the no, we're the rich leave now. no, we're talking taxing so talking about taxing assets. so the assets they the assets the assets they can the assets are the uk . so you can't you are in the uk. so you can't you can't pick up the house, you

can't pick up the house, you can't pick up the house, you can't pick up the financial portfolio. it's value can drop and they and they can be left. so for example. right, let's let's have a look at let's have a look at some of these taxes right? nigel lawson no social ist, margaret thatcher's chancellor, equally sized capital gains tax and income tax. that means the income that you get from wealth is taxed at the same rate as the income that you from going to work. you get from going out to work. >> and rachel reeves has said no to that, rachel has to that, and rachel reeves has said no to that. >> was something that was >> that was something that was concern of government policy. very, sense. very, very common sense. everyone it's everyone can understand it. it's wherever your money wherever you get your money from, taxed at the from, you should be taxed at the you be taxed at the same you should be taxed at the same level. that's being ripped off. that's form of wealth tax. that's a form of wealth tax. there are also many others, but we a lot of issues in the we have a lot of issues in the country that we know we need money for them. we also know that the wealth is concentrated at the top. so it is time to get some of that back. >> so, james, i think we can all agree that unfortunately a lot of people have had stagnant

wages . they're not earning wages. they're not earning enough. they don't have a big enough. they don't have a big enough stake in society, whether it property or assets it comes to property or assets in one way or another. and that is a shame. however these policies sound great in theory, don't they, ben ? but when you don't they, ben? but when you actually look at what happens when you implement wealth taxes, we can look to france, for example. what happened is they had the biggest exodus of millionaires because funnily enough, people in an enough, when people invest in an asset , they don't want to see it asset, they don't want to see it immediately depleted . and if you immediately depleted. and if you had a wealth tax one year or the following year, would be following year, there would be less . less to tax. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> diminishing returns is >> so diminishing returns is what i mean. >> it's a fundamentally unfair tax anything else, tax apart from anything else, because someone, because you're taxing someone, someone who has already been taxed their income. wealth, taxed on their income. wealth, after is an aggregation of after all, is an aggregation of income. but at the point the really fundamental point here is that we have had 25 years of borrowed tax and spend government and that has resulted in gdp per capita going down,

productivity going down. there is not a single metric to which you can point and say as a result of the tax and spend and borrow and spend policies of either tony blair or the conservative government, we are now more prosperous nation. we have taxes at a 70 year high, finding new ways to tax people is not going to solve the problem. the highest tax bracket, by the way, in this country pay 40% of all income taxes . if you want to lose that taxes. if you want to lose that component from society, if you want them to leave, the best thing to do is to tax them more. and there will be a smaller pie. and there will be a smaller pie. and that's the point. i think rachel reeves was trying to get to, which is remarkable for a labour chancellor. but i don't believe i don't believe them . i believe i don't believe them. i don't believe that either the labour party or the conservative party have the courage, political will, ambition or understand ending of the need to cut taxes so that the pie can grow. >> though to be fair to james

and to those who have been calling for a wealth tax, we do have a hell of a lot to fund. don't we? so we have an nhs , an don't we? so we have an nhs, an ageing population . of course we ageing population. of course we have lots of immigration version to it doesn't come cheap in terms of resources when it comes to asylum seekers and whatnot. in terms of pensions. that's an absolutely huge cost on the taxpayer . but but absolutely huge cost on the taxpayer. but but james, i do actually agree with rachel reeves when she says this. if she does actually mean it, that you don't tax your way to prosperity and that taxes do change people's behaviour . so change people's behaviour. so she wealth creators are turned off by high taxes. >> okay. to push back on a whole number of factual inaccuracies. right. so first of all, you said if you tax wealth there's less to tax. that's of course not the case at all. let's say, for example, you have a 1% tax on on wealth over 10 million. the average rate of return for

investments over the last 100 years or so has been over 5. so if your tax is 1, one is less than five. so the total wealth of that person and of those entities is still rising. well, that's assuming that assets always grow in value, but . okay, always grow in value, but. okay, but hold on. we're talking the aggregate. and in the aggregate, yes, of course, they have . and yes, of course, they have. and wealth isn't an aggregation of income. what we're talking about here. so rishi sunak pays a lower rate of tax than the three of us. right? he earns more, i presume. and he is taxed at a lower rate because as we have a ridiculous tax system that taxes some kinds of income less than other kinds, i'm not necessarily against equalising capital gains and income tax. >> ben yeah, i mean, i would cut both and equalise both. >> i would cut both and equalise them. but the but, but, james, you know, when people are taxed on their wealth, they're taxed on their wealth, they're taxed on their wealth, they're taxed on their income. change on their income. they change their they sell their behaviour, they sell assets. just hard assets. it's not just hard assets. it's not just hard assets property, assets like property, property would value. got would drop in value. we've got we've with the we've got a problem with the london exchange at the london stock exchange at the moment. can't can't

moment. we can't we can't attract companies in attract companies to list in london in part because our institutions investing in institutions aren't investing in shares. if you get if you get a wholesale exit from our capital markets because people don't want to be taxed on their wealth, you will see. james, it will happen . ben it is already will happen. ben it is already happening. ben last year, can i just finish one point, then i'll let you. >> last year. >> last year. >> it'sjust >> last year. >> it's just not it's not a scare story. >> you look at france, they did have a massive exodus of millionaires. and the problem was, as ben has said, people do change their behaviour if they attack, not following. just like how suggested, not, attack, not following. just like hov1 not suggested, not, attack, not following. just like hov1 not any suggested, not, attack, not following. just like hov1 not any of suggested, not, attack, not following. just like hov1 not any of thejgested, not, attack, not following. just like hov1 not any of the taxted, not, attack, not following. just like hov1 not any of the tax that not, attack, not following. just like hov1 not any of the tax that i've suggested. >> the idea that people that the capital markets are going to collapse with a small tax. james well, let's see. >> unfortunately , unfortunately, >> unfortunately, unfortunately, we're going to have to move on because it's time to look at the weather. but please do keep your views coming in and get to views coming in and i'll get to them in just one moment. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt proud sponsors of boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news.

weather on. gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to the next few days, the changeable theme will continue. most of us seeing further most of us seeing some further rain times, but in between rain at times, but in between there will some sunshine. so there will be some sunshine. so as enter monday, we've got as we enter monday, we've got this ridge pressure this ridge of high pressure across this is generally across the uk. this is generally gave a settled day today, but gave us a settled day today, but fronts are waiting up across the north—west go through north—west and as we go through the of the night, we'll the course of the night, we'll see one these move into parts see one of these move into parts of and northern of scotland and northern ireland. showers, ireland. so some showers, showers of showers here for a lot of england and wales, though it should dry, but should be largely dry, but fairly so will help fairly cloudy. so that will help keep and cities keep most towns and cities firmly double figures as we firmly in double figures as we start morning. so into start tuesday morning. so into tuesday, we're track this band of showery rain further south eastwards across england and wales, behind it, further showers moving in across parts of western scotland. quite blustery here, as we go blustery here, too, as we go through course of the through the course of the day, probably driest conditions probably the driest conditions down towards south—east. but down towards the south—east. but even on, we will see even here, later on, we will see a few showers. so i think come the afternoon, possibly best the afternoon, possibly the best of over towards of the sunshine over towards

northern england in the sunshine, feeling pleasantly warm . most seeing similar warm. most of us seeing similar temperatures to what we have seen today into wednesday. i'm hopeful for a little bit more sunshine across the board, but still the risk of some showers, especially across eastern parts still the risk of some showers, es scotland cross eastern parts still the risk of some showers, es scotland ,ross eastern parts still the risk of some showers, es scotland , downastern parts still the risk of some showers, es scotland , down inton parts still the risk of some showers, es scotland , down into partss still the risk of some showers, es scotland , down into parts of of scotland, down into parts of england , too. but in the england, too. but in the sunshine , it should feel fairly sunshine, it should feel fairly pleasant, but still at keen wind up the north into up across the north into thursday, a band of rain moving across many southern parts of the . and really that's going the uk. and really that's going to changeable theme the uk. and really that's going to we changeable theme the uk. and really that's going to we go changeable theme the uk. and really that's going to we go through|angeable theme the uk. and really that's going to we go through the eable theme the uk. and really that's going to we go through the course heme the uk. and really that's going to we go through the course ofme as we go through the course of the week . the week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> all right, we will be coming to your views in just one moment as they are flooding in on a wealth tax. but a company called first brick housing are aiming to build houses for specifically lgbtq+ people . is that progress lgbtq+ people. is that progress or is that segregation

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radio. >> welcome back to dewbs& co with me, emily carver this evening, keeping me company is ben habib, former brexit party mep and ceo of first property group and former advisor to jeremy corbyn. james schneider . jeremy corbyn. james schneider. so thank you very much indeed for joining us this evening. you've been getting in touch about a wealth tax. about the idea of a wealth tax. rachel reeves, the shadow chancellor, says absolutely not. the will the labour party will not introduce if they get into introduce this if they get into government. no hiking of capital gains , no mansion et gains tax, no mansion tax. et cetera. et cetera . et cetera. cetera. et cetera. et cetera. do you believe her? are they just saying this to get elected by more moderates? says who? is reeves kidding? it'll dressed reeves kidding? it'll be dressed up title slash up under some other title slash tax . karen says, no, there tax. karen says, no, there shouldn't be a wealth tax. i'm not but no problem not rich, but i have no problem with that are people with people that are people should looking to emulate should be looking to emulate those that are. i can no those that are. i can see no logic this view they think logic to this view if they think they are going to benefit from they are going to benefit from the taking from the government taking money from the government taking money from the delude did the rich, they are delude did and says, please define and clive says, please define wealth. interesting wealth. this is an interesting point. defines wealth? well,

point. who defines wealth? well, surely the government would. but how and would how low would it be and would it get over time? it me get lower over time? is it me who is retired but not on benefits? do you have benefits? how much do you have in assets to be called wealthy? interesting questions. do in assets to be called wealthy? interethem questions. do in assets to be called wealthy? interethem coming1s. do in assets to be called wealthy? interethem coming in, do in assets to be called wealthy? interethem coming in, but do in assets to be called wealthy? interethem coming in, but we're keep them coming in, but we're going move to a bit of a going to move on to a bit of a strange story i saw today. now a group called first brick housing have been £5,000 by the have been granted £5,000 by the mayor sadiq to mayor of london, sadiq khan, to build aimed specifically build houses aimed specifically at lgbt plus people. so i'm asking, is this progress or some kind of segregate action that's being funded essentially by sadiq khan, at least in part? i'm not sure how far £5,000 will go when it comes to housing, but he is funding it in one way or another. so who should i go to on this, ben? what do you make of this? now, this group, first brick housing, says the housing project will ensure that those living in it, lgbt people are free from oppression. so that supposes that they're being oppressed, they're being oppressed. firstly and that housing can be oppressive in one

way or another to minorities in that respect. what do you say to this? >> so i mean, the first thing to identify is, as you've done, emily, is that it implies that they are being oppressed at the moment in the housing market in some that is a some way that is that that is a breach the equalities act. so breach of the equalities act. so in promoting this project, what sadiq immediately saying sadiq khan is immediately saying is that he is unable to enforce the equalities act in london, and that is an admission of yet another sadiq khan mayoral failure. but the other thing which is much more important point, i suppose, because we know sadiq khan is a complete failure . the other thing that's failure. the other thing that's much more important is that you do not create equality amongst the people by identifying a particular set of people, whether that's through their ethnic ethnicity or whether that's through their religion or sexual preferences, or in this case, their sexual preferences, and how they identify themselves in terms of gender. you don't

make people equal by identif defying them and putting them in a separate category by their sexual identity. by by that, i'm identity. what you're doing is actually embedding division in society saying, look, there's a whole load of lgbt q plus houses. that's all you know, they're all lgbtq+ they're not part of the society as a whole. and we segregated them. that is apartheid. yeah. >> do you know what my first thought and this just shows the current culture we have at the moment. my first thought was, oh god, if there were lgbtq people living in one housing area, would they become a target? we've seen a swathe of homophobic attacks recently which have been pretty horrific. we've known a few stabbings, at least just in the last few weeks . james, do you think that lgbtq people feel that they must live together, that they would be oppressed otherwise as well? >> i don't i don't know because

as that's not me , but we're as that's not me, but we're talking about a very small number of people who could be. i think this housing thing is 19. there's a block of 19 flats is what they're hoping to do . i what they're hoping to do. i mean, do i think that there's probably be people enough to fill that who might feel that way? yeah sure. and, you know, fair enough that that's fine. it's not segregation. let's not be so hyperbolic about it. it's segregation. if the state is saying , oh, trans people have to saying, oh, trans people have to live over here, but why do you think sadiq khan has chosen to fund this project? >> i have with £5,000. >> i have with £5,000. >> with 5000, i have. i have no idea. i'm sure that they've got that that they've filled in a good grant. >> i have an idea because they fill in his sort of they fill in the form for this, for the grant form for this, for this amount of money. this small amount of money. >> it does build on some. you know, another is know, another thing that is real, that's in the real, that is in that's in the real, that is in that's in the real world, which is that there's housing association there's a housing association project older lgb . t project for the older lgb. t people sort of, you know, people like sort of, you know,

older housing, which i think opened a couple of years ago with some support from the mayor of london. and i can see why people would like to do that. it's a free country if people want to live together for whatever reason , then who am i whatever reason, then who am i to say no , you can't, you know, to say no, you can't, you know, no, you can't do that. well, i mean, you could argue that it's discriminating against heterosexual people, but . heterosexual people, but. >> well, it is a housing association. >> or does it not matter? is this just freedom choice? this just freedom of choice? and. sadiq khan's given and. okay, so sadiq khan's given it of funding. should we it a bit of funding. should we care what does it care about that? what does it say about our current culture, identity politics, perhaps? >> well well, it is identity politics. that's precisely what identity politics is. identifying a group of people and political , you and making a political, you know, performing a political policy around them. and blm, for example , were promoting all example, were promoting all black colleges. i mean, what is that? if that's not the embedded embedding of racism in society ? embedding of racism in society? in other words, white people can't go to these colleges. they had to play the other day in london saying white people

encouraged to and watch encouraged not to come and watch this play. what is all this nonsense? idea of nonsense? well, it's the idea of safe isn't it? safe spaces, isn't it? >> we're seeing it now in >> and we're seeing it now in housing. presumably this is a safe place lgbtq people. safe place for lgbtq people. >> for the need >> the presumption for the need for a safe place is that they're not safe. >> and what we've got to what we've got to break away from is the ostensible promotion of minority rights the detriment minority rights to the detriment of those minorities and the majority. what we need to drive home every day is everyone is equal , no home every day is everyone is equal, no matter what colour you are , no matter which country you are, no matter which country you came from, original, no matter where you were born, no matter what your religion is, no matter what your religion is, no matter what sexual preferences what your sexual preferences are, doesn't matter stirring. are, it doesn't matter stirring. you're all equal. >> so i think trans people would be more likely to feel safe if they weren't being attacked and vilified on this channel and elsewhere. well, i would on a daily on a daily basis. no one's been vilified, is being vilified i >> -- >> people have concerns about the intersection of women's sex

based rights and also trans gender ideology that is very different from vilifying transgender, trans, trans people are. >> and you can you can see it in the polling. there's polling of how people actually view yougov last week. i think how people actually their actual views on. but that's trans people and then and then how trans people themselves feel that the public feel about them and then how the pubuc feel about them and then how the public think that the rest of the public feels about it. and you can see there's a big divide. most people are reasonable, and they're reasonable, decent, and they're not going to you know, they don't view of trans don't have a bad view of trans people. because of the media people. but because of the media environment and political environment and the political environment, environment and the political envineoplet, very much anti that people are very much anti them and people and people that aren't trans other aren't trans think that other other aren't trans think that other oth i' aren't trans think that other othi think aren't trans think that other oth i think we aren't trans think that other othi think we are currently >> i think we are currently having debate about the having a public debate about the intersection women's sex intersection of women's sex based those of trans based rights and those of trans women that is the debate and women and that is the debate and it is an important one to have and it does not mean vilification. yes there will be some who vilify some people who vilify transgender people. of course they certainly not on they will. but certainly not on my show. anyway, coming up, my show. so anyway, coming up, france has banned the obeya,

which is a loose fitting overgarment that some muslim women, they've banned it women, where they've banned it in school. so has france gone too far

one welcome back to dewbs& co. with me, emily carver, keeping me company. still is ben habib. and we also have james schneider here to do so. just on the lgbt housing thing, andrew says says i'm outraged and offended as a gay man to think that a mayor seems it fitting to pack in gay people into separate housing. why be any why should there be any division? well, i mean , it's not division? well, i mean, it's not sadiq khan's project, but he is giving 5000 towards housing that is specifically made for lgbtq people free from oppression. so that does beg the question, are other forms of housing oppressive to lgbt pupils? people but moving on, france is going to ban female students from wearing abayas . they're from wearing abayas. they're loose fitting full length robes

worn by some muslim women and that's in all state schools. so they'll be banned, i believe, from at it's been from today. at least it's been in the french news today. they've also banned in the past kippahs headscarves, kinds kippahs headscarves, many kinds of religious dress. so is this good old french secularism at work or is this the creeping arm of the state intruding on people's lives? and is it actually doing incriminatory james? have they gone too far with the idea of laicite , which with the idea of laicite, which is the separation of the state from religion ? from religion? >> i don't think that this is about the separation of state from religion. this is not a religious symbol. this is a type of clothing. it's a cultural thing. it's like a kaftan . and thing. it's like a kaftan. and clearly it's targeted at one particular community within the country. it's not, for example , country. it's not, for example, something which is completely understandable within the concept of secularism in school, which is you can't, for example, have a star of david or a cross or a crescent on a pendant or a

necklace that's even an equal, you know , that's their system you know, that's their system absolutely fine . but this seems absolutely fine. but this seems like it is. and it comes after a whole other types of dress, which are often worn by muslims and particularly muslim women have been banned in french schools. and i think therefore, it is both discriminatory and it is overbearing into people's individual choices. >> so do you think it's anti muslim bigotry? because if the dress isn't necessarily muslim, then could you say that it is? >> i reckon that if a little french white boy went in wearing a kaftan to school, they probably wouldn't take it off him. so so you think? i think that's bordering on islamophobic. i think that's the thing that's going on there. >> ben, what think? >> ben, what do you think? >> ben, what do you think? >> i disagree with james. >> i don't disagree with james. i there an element of i think there is an element of islamophobia on. you know, i think there is an element of isthinkphobia on. you know, i think there is an element of isthink france on. you know, i think there is an element of isthink france is on. you know, i think there is an element of isthink france is a on. you know, i think there is an element of isthink france is a deeply)u know, i think france is a deeply divided country and we saw that a couple of months ago when sadly, that was a french nigel yeah. was shot in paris and by

the police. and we saw france effectively go up in flames over the next few days all the way from marseille to calais. and it is a deeply divided country and the way they've practised multiculture oralism and the way they've handled immigration is not hugely dissimilar to the way we're doing it in this country, which is to welcome people in. but not do it in a manner which creates a homogeneous, slow evolution of our own cultural values is what what we're creating is multiculturalism practised in silos with people all, you know, adhering to whatever their customs religions are in small ghettos effectively, and france has that in spades. and if the french government thinks they can address the problems created by those schisms through laws and regulations, what they're going to do is actually exacerbate the problem. >> yeah. so james, the education minister in france, gabriel attal , he said when you walk

attal, he said when you walk into a classroom, you shouldn't be able to identify the pupils religion just by looking at them. it is true . if a child was them. it is true. if a child was wearing an abaya , you would wearing an abaya, you would probably assume that they were muslim. so isn't this just equalising the policy because kippahs are banned and because crosses are banned and the hijab is banned, so therefore may as well go the whole hog and ban the whole islamic dress. but that's the logic from the french. >> there is, yes. and their logic is, i think, discriminate because there is a difference between a religious item and something which is a cultural item that some people who follow a particular religion might be more likely to wear or to have. and i think this is clearly on this side of that line , which is this side of that line, which is which is why it has a problem. and i think actually that ben's making some very salient points about if you if you set up a very segregated society in france is a more segregated society than ours , especially society than ours, especially because of its housing. and it

has these big suburbs outside of big cities which are very segregated off, although we do face similar, similar problems. of course, britain has many problems. britain has many problems. britain has many problems in that regard as well. but it is substantially worse in france . yeah, the bond and that france. yeah, the bond and that creates this, i think, really, really big problems. so rather than saying we're going to solve this by changing what some kids wear school, should be wear at school, they should be looking the underlying cause. looking at the underlying cause. >> underlying cause. >> the underlying cause. >> the underlying cause. >> and why there this great >> and why is there this great level segregation their level of segregation in in their society? lot of it is to do society? a lot of it is to do and a lot of it is to do with with housing, with urban design. and these are the things that they and should look at. they could and should look at. >> the french very >> the french are very protective of their french culture do you think culture for and do you think they've got . well, they've massively got. well, immigration and integration wrong? >> yeah, completely. >> yeah, completely. >> completely wrong. >> completely wrong. >> you shouldn't force people to remove their religious garments . no, no. >> in schools either you control your immigration into your country to ensure that you don't

create the problems which they're now trying to address or you embrace it and you try somehow to you know, everyone to again, like i said earlier, everyone needs to be treated equally. and you've got know some. but but the problem the fundamental problem is they've got their migration policies all wrong as we have in this country. but i want to just say one thing before we go. very quickly. you would never have that made this that policy made in this country. for those country. so for all those remainers europe as remainers who point to europe as some of ideal that we in in some kind of ideal that we in in this country have issued by by brexit thing, i say look at france . it's almost a fascist france. it's almost a fascist state, the way it goes about its business, the way it oppresses its people , the way it passes its people, the way it passes regulations like this, we are miles ahead of france. so in our human rights , in our governance, human rights, in our governance, however shoddy our government is, and however inept we might seem from time to time , we are seem from time to time, we are an infinitely better country . an infinitely better country. >> me well, there you go . >> me well, there you go. there's a reminder to people who always believe the grass is greener, particularly when it comes the brexit debate.

comes to the brexit debate. thank you very much to both of you. i think it's been a fantastic show, actually. i've thoroughly those thoroughly enjoyed all of those debates and thank you for getting touch with all your getting in touch with all your views. just on this. someone views. just one on this. someone did the that, of did make the point that, of course, some countries you course, in some countries you have to abide by their dress code, but we're a liberal code, but hey, we're a liberal society. very much society. thank you very much indeed panel. up indeed to my wonderful panel. up next, nigel farage. next, it's nigel farage. >> rising. >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there . welcome to your >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . i'm craig snell. looking ahead to the next few days, the changeable theme will continue. most of us seeing some further rain at times, but in between there will be sunshine as there will be some sunshine as we monday . we've got we enter monday. we've got this ridge high across ridge of high pressure across the is generally gave the uk. this is generally gave us a settled but us a settled day today, but fronts are waiting up across the north—west. and as go through north—west. and as we go through the of the night, the course of the night, we'll see of moving to parts see one of these moving to parts of scotland and northern ireland. some showers, of scotland and northern ireland. hereyme showers, of scotland and northern ireland. here for showers, of scotland and northern ireland. here for ahowers, of scotland and northern ireland. here for a lot'ers, of scotland and northern ireland. here for a lot of;, showers here for a lot of england and wales, though it should largely should be largely dry, but fairly cloudy. that help

fairly cloudy. so that will help keep and cities keep most towns and cities firmly double figures as we firmly in double figures as we start tuesday morning. so into tuesday , we'll track this band tuesday, we'll track this band of showery rain further south eastwards across england and wales. it, further wales. behind it, further showers moving in across parts of western scotland. quite blustery too , here, as we go blustery too, here, as we go through the course of the day, probably driest conditions probably the driest conditions down south—east. down towards the south—east. but even we will see even here, later on, we will see a showers. so think come a few showers. so i think come the afternoon, possibly the best of sunshine towards of the sunshine over towards northern england in the sunshine, feeling pleasantly warm us seeing similar warm. most of us seeing similar temperatures to what have temperatures to what we have seen today into wednesday. i'm hopeful for a little bit more sunshine across the board, but still the risk of some showers, especially across eastern parts of scotland, parts of of scotland, down into parts of england, too. but in the sunshine , it should feel fairly sunshine, it should feel fairly pleasant, but still at keen wind up across the north into thursday, a band of rain moving across many southern parts of the . and that's going the uk. and really that's going to changeable theme to continue to changeable theme as through the course of as we go through the course of the week with the temperatures rising , boxt

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