news >> good evening . the home >> good evening. the home secretary suella braverman is suggesting that police should follow up on crimes and investigate it. whatever next. we'll bring you the ulez latest is there may be a way that the signs don't comply and perhaps people won't have to pay. we will get mr loophole, as he's known the lawyer on to tell us what the answer is to that. and another big day in the channel with a couple of calm days coming up and a suggestion that maybe could be tagged maybe migrants could be tagged with gps tracking to the government really mean it or are they simply talking tough to cover up for their failure to stop boats .7 all of that in stop the boats.7 all of that in just moment. but first, let's

just a moment. but first, let's get the news with aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> very good evening to you . i'm >> very good evening to you. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom . thousands of passengers are facing flight delays of up to 12 hours despite a failure in uk air traffic control systems being fixed at national air traffic services says it's identified and remedied the problem. but the knock on effect is likely to be significant. more than 500 flights to or from the uk have been cancelled, with many more facing delays which could stretch into tomorrow. pilots and crews are likely to run out of hours and therefore be unable to fly. ministers are being accused of disregarding safety concerns on the bibby stockholm . the fire brigades stockholm. the fire brigades union sent a pre action protocol letter to the home secretary raising the possibility of legal action. the union has described the barge previously as a potential death trap. the government , which insists the government, which insists the vesselis government, which insists the vessel is safe, has until

thursday to respond to the legal letter . police do have the letter. police do have the resources they need to meet a government pledge to crack down on crime. that's according to suella braverman , who says suella braverman, who says police have disregarded theft and burglaries for too long, despite record numbers of officers across the uk. labour has criticised it as a staggering admission of 13 years of tory failure. the home secretary, though, says the force must follow all lines of inquiry . inquiry. >> police have responded positively to my challenge, my request, in committing nationwide to indeed following every reasonable line of enquiry. so that now means that in the event of a car theft, phone theft , robbery or phone theft, robbery or burglary. if their cctv footage of an incident, if there's dash cam footage, if there's smartphone footage, gps tracking evidence a victim can produce evidence a victim can produce evidence of an online resale of a stolen item, the police must follow up on those leads . follow up on those leads. >> police have named two people

who died after driving into a flooded area in liverpool . 75 flooded area in liverpool. 75 year old elaine marco and her 77 year old elaine marco and her 77 year old elaine marco and her 77 year old husband, philip, were both taken to hospital where they later died. police say they received a report of concern for a couple inside a car in mossley hill on saturday and investigations surrounding the circumstances is underway. the families say they're devastated and heartbroken . and prosecutors and heartbroken. and prosecutors in spain have launched a preliminary sexual assault investigation into the head of the country's football federation. luis rubiales, is refusing to resign after kissing jenny hermoso on the lips at the women's world cup final , saying women's world cup final, saying it was consensual, which she denies. he's since been banned by fifa, the world governing body, for 90 days. the spanish federation has been holding an extraordinary meeting to discuss the crisis . this is gb news the crisis. this is gb news across the uk. that's it from me now over to . nigel

now over to. nigel >> well, this bank holiday monday , the big domestic story monday, the big domestic story of the day is that the home secretary suella braverman has said and said it very , very said and said it very, very clearly. chris philp , the crime clearly. chris philp, the crime and policing minister, and i challenged senior officers to follow up on any and all evidence whenever there is a reasonable chance it could lead to them catching a criminal and solving a crime. so let's just get this straight, shall we.7 the get this straight, shall we? the home secretary is saying to senior police officers , if there senior police officers, if there is some evidence of somebody stealing a car or a bicycle or whatever it may be, then you really ought to follow this up. well i'll have a think about this. of car and bike thefts at the moment , this. of car and bike thefts at the moment, only 2% of those that are pursued are actually caught and convicted . so if you caught and convicted. so if you want to go out and steal a car or a bike, your chances of being caught, charged and prosecuted are very, very small indeed . but are very, very small indeed. but in terms of the message that the

home secretary is putting out today, i've got a bit of a question here and whether this lies at the door of the police force or the politicians will debate in a moment. but why weren't they doing this before ? weren't they doing this before? why were police not following up on this before? or is this just a home secretary playing political games ? give me your political games? give me your thoughts, please. farage at gbnews.com because it all seems pretty odd to me. well, joining me to discuss this is norman brennan, retired metropolitan police officer and director of the law and order foundation, which aims to reduce crime and to support victims. norman if you look at the way that statements worded the suggestion is that suella and her minister have talked to senior cops to say in future , we want you to go say in future, we want you to go and investigate crime . i mean, and investigate crime. i mean, is she basically saying that the police have given up doing this? >> well, firstly, i'm here as

head of protect the protectors, which is a national independent voice for the whole of policing, something i've held 30 something i've held for 30 years. i'm not here on any political gambit. i'm completely independent. cut to the independent. let's cut to the chase. this is all nonsense . chase. this is all nonsense. when i joined the police in in 1978, i spent 31 years, part of my duties were to be on shield response units , cid robbery response units, cid robbery squad. response units, cid robbery squad . the same thing that most squad. the same thing that most police officers do all grade one calls, which is an emergency 999 calls, which is an emergency 999 call we attended grade two calls was where, for example , there was where, for example, there was where, for example, there was a burglary. suspects had left , weren't was a burglary. suspects had left, weren't on was a burglary. suspects had left , weren't on the scene. was a burglary. suspects had left, weren't on the scene. no danger to the household. so they were hopefully safe while we deau were hopefully safe while we dealt with our grade one calls. when that was dealt with or another vehicle would come along when that was dealt with or anotdeal'ehicle would come along when that was dealt with or anotdeal withe would come along when that was dealt with or anotdeal with that uld come along when that was dealt with or anotdeal with that asi come along when that was dealt with or anotdeal with that as a ome along when that was dealt with or anotdeal with that as a grade long and deal with that as a grade two. the grade three was something that could for 2 something that could wait for 2 or but the victim was or 3 days, but the victim was met, spoke to, reassured, and some form of investigation was taken place . let's go right taken place. let's go right back. just to stop you for a moment. >> did that happen in every case? almost every case i recall

when i was in a robbery squad, for example, every time i used to come in early turn, late turn, whatever it was. >> we looked at all the robberies overnight and we then decided detective decided the junior detective gives detectives more gives trainee detectives more senior if senior detectives, depending if a been used, whether a knife had been used, whether there injury on who we went. there was injury on who we went. we along, cctv, met the we went along, cctv, met the victim , met the family, because victim, met the family, because often they children or often they were children or young people. so they young young people. so they needed a member there. we needed a family member there. we met them, took a statement. we immediately started an investigation every single investigation on every single case, unless it was absolutely nothing to go on. but we parked it because we looked at the suspects there and at some times we used to arrest people similar. there was four of them. suspect wearing a baseball suspect was wearing a baseball bat number on his bat with a number nine on his shoulder. connect that shoulder. let's connect that one. and nick him. so one. let's go and nick him. so getting my point, nigel getting back to my point, nigel yeah, 14 years ago, theresa yeah, 13, 14 years ago, theresa may conservative home secretary under david cameron along with sir tom winsor , decided to sir tom winsor, decided to reduce british policing by 22,000 frontline officers . if

22,000 frontline officers. if that wasn't bad enough, they then further reduced tens of thousands of backroom staff that supported frontline officers. so you had less officers doing more, less supported . and guess more, less supported. and guess what happened over that 14 year penod? what happened over that 14 year period? policing lost the streets. the police federation warned theresa may, as i did a number of other people, that it you are starting what is commonly called a perfect storm because if the police lose the streets, the public won't be assured that reassured the victims won't be supported and the public will be frightened. and she accused everybody of crying wolf. well, look who's crying wolf. well, look who's crying now. it's victims of crime and the law abiding public because they don't see police. >> so it's quite ironic, isn't it, a conservative it, that it's a conservative home secretary saying something's wrong something's gone wrong here, guys kind from that guys. and kind of from that statement , she's guys. and kind of from that statement, she's putting guys. and kind of from that statement , she's putting the statement, she's putting the blame on the police, isn't blame on to the police, isn't she? it's almost as if she? you know, it's almost as if she's remonstrated with senior officers . officers. >> could use all sorts of >> i could use all sorts of scenarios . it's a bit like the scenarios. it's a bit like the horses are bolted. we close the gates we've got

gates afterwards. we've now got to back. i personally to get them back. i personally warned the chief constable warned all the chief constable and the prime minister and the home time. i home secretary at the time. i said, you , you if you reduce said, you, you if you reduce policing by these numbers, you will cripple policing. and i said to them , if you cripple said to them, if you cripple policing, i will see. as i left the police because they started this just as i retired from the police after 31, where there was robust policing, unlike today, where they've lost a robustness . and i said to them, i said, you are putting policing in into into intensive care. you must do this. you must do that. you must get these officers back. you must make sure that centre now, they argue or she would they would argue or she would argue, if she was here now suella that they now suella braverman that they now have another 20,000 have recruited another 20,000 police and in that time police officers and in that time the criminals have taken over the criminals have taken over the streets . there's 4000 gangs the streets. there's 4000 gangs in britain and 200in london. normally we numbered ten up to 90. normally around about 15 or 20. they're assassinate each other. they carry knives , they other. they carry knives, they go and raid shops. they frighten the public. the police have lost

their robustness. they're all youngsters. we lost 9000 police officers last year. >> so the experience has gone. >> so the experience has gone. >> the experience has gone. you've got probationers training probationers. and these officers are assaulted, abused , kicked, are assaulted, abused, kicked, let down by their supervisors who are also young chief constables and senior officers of whizzed up the scale so fast that that they have lost the reality and the understanding of frontline policing. the public have lost the support of the police, not because the police have given up them. it's called fire brigade policing . they go fire brigade policing. they go from one emergency call to the next to the next. and caveat next to the next. and the caveat what saying just now, what i was saying just now, i warned the government, the home secretary, police chief constable's policing , secretary, police chief constable's policing, and when i left, had gone into intensive care. it then went on to life support . and i'm telling you support. and i'm telling you now, as probably one of the lead independent voices on policing, and i'm here to support no political party. if i was to describe policing now, it's gone

from intensive care to life support . the family are now support. the family are now round the bed as the culture within the police force gone soft to. >> yes, police saying you've got all you've got all these mobile phones now that every officer that makes an arrest and i'll be quite honest, i arrested hundreds of people. >> and if it was seen on the television or on an iphone , it television or on an iphone, it would look horrible. no arrests, look pleasant because the lot of shouting. but what they do is they conveniently they conveniently put certain bits and pieces down to give the angry narrative to those that hate. >> and so there's no context of what's actually happened. absolute >> so bringing us right up to date now. now we used to do what suella is asking us to do. now. we back then we used to do that, but the thing is, i say this now when everything becomes a priority, murder, rape , robbery, priority, murder, rape, robbery, burglary, assault , domestic burglary, assault, domestic violence, rape, whenever it becomes an emergency and a

priority, nothing's a priority because you chase your tail. and when the courts fail, the police chase as the government has failed, the police and the pubuc failed, the police and the public have been failed. and the victims are frightened. i'm afraid we've got a circle that just keeps going round and round and all these promises. nigel, of a crackdown today. we've heard the crackdown today. tomorrow will be forgotten. we'll be talking about some guy kissing woman and there's kissing a woman and there's nothing to do with this country. we're not talking about the parents that are burying their children and planning funerals instead of futures that should be front page news today about the devastation of crime and why we piddle around the circle on policing that failed the public. it will never change. >> you couldn't have made the argument with more strength experience or passion than you've just done . but however you've just done. but however bad in life, things get, you've just done. but however bad in life, things get , there bad in life, things get, there always has to be hope that we can turn things around. you say the family are gathered around

the family are gathered around the bed. do you believe this will be turned around or do you believe or do you believe that we will be a very different country if the home secretary or the minister the the prime minister have the meeting me today ? meeting with me today? >> 45 of policing and law >> 45 years of policing and law and order experience decades longer than some of those people have alive, this is what we have been alive, this is what we need today. we've got the 20,000 police back . but in police officers back. but in that meantime, we've lost the streets. additional streets. we need an additional 20,000 police officers on top of this 20. we need to flood the streets. we need to start talking to victims, talking to the old lady at the end of her gate. we need to go into shops, reassure them . we need to reassure them. we need to robustly tackle antisocial behaviour, which is out of control on our streets. if we flood the streets and get back to the principles of sir robert peel to the principles of sir robert peel, the principles of proper policing, meet the public, reassure the public, meet victims , take statements, victims, take statements, investigate crime , be visible, a investigate crime, be visible, a visible deterrent . do you know visible deterrent. do you know what you start getting the reassuring the lost reassurance. apart from the public and

victims of crime, there was a chap turned around new york back in the 1990s by following very similar policies and i think he proved can be done and proved that it can be done and it be done because normally it must be done because normally if isn't, we're going be if it isn't, we're going to be living very different and living in a very different and a far less place. you need police chiefs a backbone. we don't chiefs with a backbone. we don't want police chiefs that are woke weary, lost. no vision, no passion, no direction. all they're interested in doing is getting and their getting their pms and their knighthoods. want robust knighthoods. we want robust leaderships prepared to leaderships that are prepared to take a bang on the when we take a bang on the chin when we make and by golly, make mistakes and by golly, we've mistakes. but out we've made mistakes. but out there thousands of there are tens of thousands of men women that risk their men and women that risk their lives. day out. never lives. day in and day out. never mentioned police chiefs, the mentioned by police chiefs, the home else home secretary and everyone else that slag the police home secretary and everyone else thathe slag the police home secretary and everyone else thathe long slag the police home secretary and everyone else thathe long and g the police home secretary and everyone else thathe long and the e police home secretary and everyone else thathe long and the short ce home secretary and everyone else thathe long and the short is off the long and the short is let's get police back on the streets. the maximum amount of time that can put them there time that we can put them there and all these police chiefs and every senior officer until we can not can regain the streets, why not for weekend for at least one weekend a month? of those senior month? all of those senior officers on officers are not on anti—terrorist duties to think like get in a response like that, get out in a response vehicle. get back what basic vehicle. get back to what basic policing all about, and you vehicle. get back to what basic policyour all about, and you vehicle. get back to what basic policyour part,l about, and you vehicle. get back to what basic policyour part, too,)ut, and you vehicle. get back to what basic policyour part, too, and and you vehicle. get back to what basic policyour part, too, and give 'ou

play your part, too, and give some leadership to the younger people. leadership people. absolutely. leadership is paramount. norman is what's paramount. norman brennan is what's paramount. norman bre well, one challenge for the >> well, one challenge for the police will start at midnight tonight. yes, zero for the tonight. yes, zero hour for the ulez comes at midnight ulez expansion comes at midnight tonight with signs being vandalised everywhere. but a scaffolder who'd been given a huge fine for the rather more inner london zone. he's won a recent court case. in a moment, i'll have nick freeman. you know him? yep mr loophole. to tell me if all the signs are illegal. do we have to pay the fines? all of that in just a couple of

>> you're listening to news radio . radio. >> well, as i said, if suella braverman says the police should follow up on crime, i asked the question, why weren't they doing this before? 1 or 2 of your thoughts on this? ian says as a retired criminal investigator, i can state that i am unimpressed by braverman's direction that police must follow all reasonable lines of inquiry.

those very words have been taken from the police and criminal evidence act 1984, and as such , evidence act 1984, and as such, since its enactment, have always formed a fundamental guiding principle for investigators. so yeah , basically this exists yeah, basically this exists already . all she's doing really already. all she's doing really here is reinventing the wheel and showing that we're going to get tough. sarah says. rubbish. we had local drug dealers take a meat cleaver to our car, cctv , meat cleaver to our car, cctv, eyewitness and ring camera footage. we knew the address that they went into police took 3.5 weeks to get in touch and didn't take a statement until then. and finally, victor says , then. and finally, victor says, then. and finally, victor says, the fact that braverman has to even make such a statement demonstrates the parlous nature of policing today . when i had of policing today. when i had the wheels and tyres stolen in gerrards cross, the police were not interested in anything other than giving me a crime number for insurance purposes , as the for insurance purposes, as the wheels and tyres cost in excess of five grand and you know so many people of course , who now

many people of course, who now suffer from crime theft in particular don't even bother to report it because they're worried what it might mean for their insurance premium . and i their insurance premium. and i genuinely believe that the real crime figures are much, much higher than any official statistics. now a fellow called noel wilcox , he's a scaffolder. noel wilcox, he's a scaffolder. he runs a business and he's got a yard in north west london that is just inside outside the low emission zone . and clearly he emission zone. and clearly he was driving back and forth and incurring charges and potentially quite big fines . and potentially quite big fines. and he was asked for 11.5 grand. and now he's fought this case. and the argument that he's made is that the l z signs and the u. l e z signs and indeed, actually you could apply this to the congestion charge in central london. all they do is tell you you're going into a zone. they don't tell you what it means. they don't tell you what it

would cost. i wonder whether as a zero hour approach is for ulez i wonder whether this might be a way out of people having to pay the charges and indeed pay out their fines. well, who better to join me on this down the line from manchester, the nick freeman , the lawyer, of course, freeman, the lawyer, of course, famous as mr loophole. so mr loophole, this guy has won his case. what does it mean ? case. what does it mean? >> well , it case. what does it mean? >> well, it means that the signage isn't authorised. there's been a hearing . he owed there's been a hearing. he owed 11,500 pounds in, i think seven tickets in total . he took his tickets in total. he took his case to a tribunal . and the case to a tribunal. and the tribunal adjudicator this was back in october 21st, 2021. so it's some time ago. he took his case and he challenged it on two basis. one, that the signs weren't authorised, and secondly, they provided inadequate information and the adjudicator very fairly said to tfl , i hear these arguments. i'm tfl, i hear these arguments. i'm going to now adjourn the case for three weeks for you to prove

to me that that these signs comply with the directions. the 2016 directions, and that they cover that they provide sufficient information on tfl didn't do anything at all. he then concurred , alluded that he then concurred, alluded that he could not be satisfied , number could not be satisfied, number one, that the signs were were authorised and number two, that they provided sufficient information on. and therefore he found in favour of the scaffolder. it wasn't him who was driving . actually, it was, was driving. actually, it was, it was his various employees. but he said we honestly just didn't know that this was a problem. we didn't know there wasn't sufficient information on. so the moment, we have on. so at the moment, we have this case is not binding. on. so at the moment, we have this case is not binding . it's this case is not binding. it's what's called persuasive. but in my view, i think he made the right decision on the right basis. this this has just come to light now on the eve of ulez . yeah, i think it will be. if i was advising tfl , i would say was advising tfl, i would say i'm going to hold an embargo right now. i'm going to do nothing and i'm going to rectify

this problem. i'm going to make sure, first of all, that the signage authorised. and signage is authorised. and secondly, going amend the secondly, i'm going to amend the signs. going to take them signs. i'm going to take them all down and i'm going make signs. i'm going to take them all dthat and i'm going make signs. i'm going to take them all dthat alli i'm going make signs. i'm going to take them all dthat all marked ng make signs. i'm going to take them all dthat all marked with make signs. i'm going to take them all dthat all marked with anake signs. i'm going to take them all dthat all marked with a c, (e sure that all marked with a c, which it's a charging which indicates it's a charging zone and that that will deal with the problem in relation to is the sufficient information because motorist doesn't because every motorist doesn't need know we're in a zone. need to know we're in a zone. what they want to know is what is consequence of entering is the consequence of entering that as the signs that zone. so as the signs currently stand, number one, they're not authorised. but secondly don't secondly, they don't say anything than we're anything other than we're entering and that could entering a zone. and that could mean whole of things. mean a whole host of things. >> i mean i mean, what >> yeah, i mean i mean, what what it? what is it? >> what does it mean? >> what does it mean? >> the congestion charge, the congestion charge in central london see. london does have that. see. yeah. a red ringlet. but yeah. inside a red ringlet. but the others don't. another thought on this, nick. interesting. with the exception of slough council, all around the outer ring of the m25 , kent, the outer ring of the m25, kent, surrey, you know , thurrock surrey, you know, thurrock council, essex , every single one council, essex, every single one of those councils is refusing to

put ulez signs on the edge of their boundaries to say you're entering the zone . could this entering the zone. could this lead to further confusion ? lead to further confusion? >> i think it will lead to more than confusion. i think it will lead to the unenforceability of any fines that anyone seeks to impose. it seeks to impose . impose. it seeks to impose. there has to be signs. impose. it seeks to impose. there has to be signs . you have there has to be signs. you have to advise the motorists number one, that there are signs that which are authorised and secondly, that you're entering a zone where you're going to be charged and if there's no signs, no signs, no fines, that's my view. how how very, very interesting. >> well, nick, i've no doubt that sadiq khan and his team will ignore your advice completely and they will plough on with this beginning at midnight tonight. on with this beginning at midnight tonight . although midnight tonight. although i have to say, the area that i live in on the border, i think 90% of the signs have been vandalised already. so just a last thought on this. how much police time and resource do you think they can put into stopping people taking away the cameras ? people taking away the cameras? >> well, i understand in

south—east london, something like 90% of the signs have been vandalised and obviously that's a serious criminal offence. and i wouldn't be advising to i wouldn't be advising anyone to do that's not the way to do that. that's not the way to proceed. but we're talking about serious last two serious money. in the last two years. have gained earned years. tfl have gained earned £320 million. that that might be an awful lot of to money pay back. there's a huge amounts at stake here and it must be in their interest . now they're on their interest. now they're on nofice their interest. now they're on notice that there's potential notice that there's a potential problem to their act problem to get their act together, a halt, get together, to call a halt, get the everywhere make the signs everywhere and make sure the right sure they provide the right information. they're on a information. then they're on a much wicket. much firmer wicket. >> freeman, thank you very >> nick freeman, thank you very much well, that was much indeed. well, that was a legal opinion, folks. much indeed. well, that was a legal opinion, folks . you know, legal opinion, folks. you know, we can't guarantee you that nick is right. we can't guarantee you that if you don't pay your £12.50 and you get a fine and you refuse to pay the fine, that it won't be it won't be possible to enforce it. so please don't take what's just been said as absolute gospel. but it is very , very interesting indeed . and , very interesting indeed. and by the way, there's a lot of

abuse being hurled at sadiq khan. and i do understand why. but remember , it was boris but remember, it was boris johnson when he was mayor of london that proposed the ulez extent option. you see, ultimately in this country, there is not much to choose between those two parties. and tomorrow night we're going to have a farage at large live literally right out on the edge of bromley borough and kent county council. we're hoping it doesn't rain too much now , the doesn't rain too much now, the don't kill cash campaign has been very successful. success in the sense that the government have backed it. the government have backed it. the government have spoken and the government have spoken and the government have put pressure on the fca to say , you know, allow people if say, you know, allow people if they've got cash to take it out and put it in to their bank accounts, but somebody else who has been doing absolutely . i has been doing absolutely. i mean, well, i'm going to say sterling work. why on this sterling work. why not on this is steve speakman, chairman of the manchester civic society , the manchester civic society, and he joins me now. steve, you've been on this campaign for

a couple of years. tell us how it came about, please, and what you've managed to achieve . you've managed to achieve. >> yeah. um, well, i first came to my attention in with an elderly gentleman who's wife was in hospital and he was going to hospital . stockport stepping hospital. stockport stepping hill and he couldn't get a sandwich or buy a drink and he was spending long hours there . was spending long hours there. and he came to me and i took it up with the executive there and campaigned on the matter and said, look, you know, you're a hospital, you're a public entity . see, it's vital that you're available to all. and they saw the light on this. i have to say, wherever we've been, whether it's museums, hospitals , halls, and we've we've been to a lot of places, the staff are always very , very positive. the always very, very positive. the staff on the ground and they're

always very keen to see the return of cash because , of return of cash because, of course, they're the ones who have to turn people away and when i've gone back like take buxton pavilion gardens, um , one buxton pavilion gardens, um, one of the members of staff there came out from behind the counter and shook my hand and said, oh, thank you very much what you've done. i've had a lot of that kind of thing. we've had, um, manchester museum , um, we've had manchester museum, um, we've had the whitworth art gallery. these are, these are big refectories in these places by the way. i mean, we've had the lowry in salford and i've visited these people, i've spoken to the staff on the ground . i've then on the ground. i've then petitioned senior management and generally me and across the peace i've had very good results i >> -- >> well, i think m >> well, i think it's absolutely brilliant . steve, what you've brilliant. steve, what you've been doing . i see you're having

been doing. i see you're having a bit of trouble with the greene king pubs. >> well, yes , yes. um, we've >> well, yes, yes. um, we've been doing battle with greene for king some time. there are two pubs. um in one in cheadle, the ashley and the didsbury , a the ashley and the didsbury, a very popular pub, but quite a beauty spot, ended westbury, manchester, an and they have gone cashless . and again , the gone cashless. and again, the staff on the ground i've spoken to them extensively . it's not to them extensively. it's not their will that this is happening. it's senior managers that have wrote to them. i've spoken to them. they've said things to me like, well, look, we're having a trial. so i've said back to them, what are you trialling? you know, the preclusion of people who use cash. preclusion of people who use cash . it's not a very good trial cash. it's not a very good trial . and you know, i've put the campaign, i've put the ideas to them as much as i possibly can.

haven't been successful. i'm not always successful . but i've i've always successful. but i've i've had , you know, a good number of had, you know, a good number of know you've you've had some great successes . great successes. >> great successes. >> and just to make sure steve, that you and i are not sued by greene king, i have a statement from them. it says, we're undertaking a small trial in a number of our pubs where card payments make up more than 90% of all transactions . it's an of all transactions. it's an ongoing trial. we've not made a business decision to permanently go cashless in this small number of pubs or any of our other pubs at this stage. right? that's the. greene king response. you keep the pressure up. a final quick thought, if i can, steve, while i'm with meta chat quick thought, if i can, steve, whilmorning,1 meta chat quick thought, if i can, steve, whilmorning, gettingieta chat quick thought, if i can, steve, whilmorning, getting oni chat quick thought, if i can, steve, whilmorning, getting on in1at this morning, getting on in years, he said, now now when i drive to the chemist to get my prescription, i can't pay to park because i don't have a mobile phone. i've never had a mobile phone. i've never had a mobile phone. i don't want a bleep bleep mobile phone . i'm bleep bleep mobile phone. i'm not interested. but the local council have decided you have to have an iphone effectively and

an app. is there anything you can do about that? steve yes , yes. >> i've i've sat down with the chap who's in charge of digital inclusion in manchester town hall , a inclusion in manchester town hall, a councillor in manchester, and i've spoken to him and a senior officer just him and a senior officerjust recently and i have to say, when i approach people in whatsoever capacity, i'm amazed that often they seem not to have it's not crossed the mind that this will be a problem. um, and i've said to them, look, you know, you've got to include people, his officers had written back to him and he'd passed it on to me and his officers have said not to worry. it's mainly young people that use the stack car park. so we don't need to worry about having cash. i mean, these are amazingly poor responses . i amazingly poor responses. i would say in every instance and for everybody . dodi take it up

for everybody. dodi take it up to challenge it because by doing that we're getting the result . that we're getting the result. >> well, i have to say steve speakman , thank you for joining speakman, thank you for joining us. we're absolutely attuned on this. we're going to work together, i'm sure, as the months and years go on and well done for your truly heroic work. thank you . thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> well, that was pretty impressive. nadine dorries yes, she's gone finally. she's gone. there's going to be a by—election in mid beds, but not without a really, really rather unpleasant stinging letter. is this really bad news for the tory party or is she, as some people say, just mad, mad. and it doesn't matter. in a moment, i'll discuss all of this with our political editor , chris hope

>> your listening to gb news radio . radio. >> well, the ultimate resignation took rather a long time and she is very miffed that

she hasn't gone to the house of lords . but does this resignation lords. but does this resignation letter is it absolutely the death knell of the conservative party, a house divided against itself cannot stand. joining me down the line from his home in harpenden is christopher hope gb news is political editor. chris, how much damage does this do or is it just. nadine dorries being. nadine well, it's definitely nadine being the dean who's 1800 word letter, which she published in the mail on sunday. >> i'm not even clear it went to number 10 first before it appeared , and it did. it is appeared, and it did. it is brutal takedown of rishi sunak. it talks about how he abandoned the fundamental principles of conservative history will not judge you kindly. i mean, it's the kind of scouse and the dean there telling it like it is , i there telling it like it is, i suppose, to the wykehamist , the suppose, to the wykehamist, the old wykehamist rishi sunak. i mean, it is brutal . it's mean, it is brutal. it's difficult to read. i mean, people who are friends of mr sunak will say, well, that's just, you know, a kind of boris out mouthing off. but and that was that was the reaction

initially i got from mps and ministers . as one cabinet ministers. as one cabinet minister told me, it was a flick of the dinosaur's tail, but when people have read the letter and digested it, i think it has struck some chords and certainly some moderate tory mps of whatsapp me saying , well, whatsapp me saying, well, actually they do agree with a lot of what nadine had to say. so i think it's the tories will be wrong to dismiss it completely as a kind of reaction of an mp who failed to be given the role in the house of lords that she wanted from boris johnson. >> yeah, the one irony, chris, that i took out of it, and i agree with you, by the way, i think i think it does do damage and i think it hurts rishi it damages his control over the parliamentary party and it sends a terrible message out to the country at large because after all, much of the last two years we've had to live with a constant internal battles in the party. but the one irony i thought is as if she's saying, well, boris johnson is the true conservative, not you. actually fully socially rich . xi sunak is

fully socially rich. xi sunak is far more conservative than boris johnson. there were many things that johnson did as prime minister that came as a complete shock to many long standing conservatives. and i see this, you know, i see this maybe with lord cruddas and david campbell—bannerman and all these groups that seem to want boris back. but actually, he was more of a metropolitan liberal apart from brexit. >> yeah, well , you from brexit. >> yeah, well, you only from brexit. >> yeah, well , you only need to >> yeah, well, you only need to look at net migration, which went up to, i think, 600,000 at the last count on boris johnson's watch. and that was done with the control over our borders that was given to the government by, by that brexit vote that you campaigned for. nigel i think if you if you're looking forward though the mid bedfordshire by—election is going to be fascinating. now, of course, nadine dorries doesn't resign until parliament comes back and it's submitted to the house of commons and the treasury acknowledge it. if there's a by—election the there's a by—election at the beginning october, the last, beginning of october, the last, the i can of which the only one i can find of which is of, mid

is a survey of, of mid bedfordshire shows that labour is 28 points. the tories on is on 28 points. the tories on 24 points. lib dems 15 and reform this kind of right of the tory party moderate small party minority parties on ten points. now i would say that if mr sunak can find some form of show some leg, maybe at the tory party conference on tax cuts, that 10% of reform could come across to the tory party. and if the vote is split for labour and liberal democrats, they could hang on to it. but i think to do that it many would say mr sunak has got to show some form of kind of old fashioned tax cutting policies or at least some leg on tax cutting policies which he's failed to do so show so far. >> yeah i'm not sure chris, that just one statement is going to bnng just one statement is going to bring 10% of those who are really very, very hacked off with the conservative party back . perhaps if you stop the boats, perhaps if he reduced net migration. but frankly , there's migration. but frankly, there's no prospect of either of those,

is there? >> no, there's not. and largely because they're in the hands of the courts, the whole policy to stop the boats, which is this call, this rwanda policy, send people who arrive here illegally by boats to rwanda for to by small boats to rwanda for to be processed. that policy won't be processed. that policy won't be won't be judged by the courts until christmas time. i understand . which means we're understand. which means we're going see and months going to see months and months and of difficult and months of difficult headunes and months of difficult headlines small boat headlines of small boat crossings. and there's big crossings. and there's a big week wasn't it? so i week last week, wasn't it? so i think it's going to end. and think it's not going to end. and the thing they want to the one thing they don't want to talk much in government talk about much in government is a it's not a small boats policy. it's not going well for them. and going very well for them. and hence this week we're seeing announcements on crime and policing, hoping policing, and they're hoping that can the back that that can put the ball back in. court. but in. in labour's court. but labour well, you labour is saying, well, you know, had 13 years know, you've had 13 years of this, you know, you can't keep pointing where it's gone pointing out where it's gone wrong. it's you wrong. you know, it's on you a bit this now. >> and the other one of course is zero hour at midnight. the ulez extension comes in from midnight. and the point midnight. and i made the point earlier was boris earlier briefly, it was boris johnson of london that johnson as mayor of london that approved it. it was sadiq khan that enacted it. and when it

went to the department of transport grant, shapps rubber stamped it through and now they've got susan hall standing for them in the mayoral contest saying, i'm against ulez , i'll saying, i'm against ulez, i'll get rid of it. even on this , get rid of it. even on this, there's not great clarity, is there, or not great difference, there's not great clarity, is there, 0 betweenat difference, there's not great clarity, is there, 0 between the fference, there's not great clarity, is there, 0 between the two�*nce, there's not great clarity, is there, 0 between the two parties frankly, between the two parties and the extra point to that , and the extra point to that, nigel, is that mark harper has not stopped it. >> i mean, he has got in theory , some form of legal right to do so. as you revealed on your programme last week, he's not doing it. he's been told he can't do it by government lawyers, therefore can't lawyers, therefore he can't spend money spend taxpayers money doing something has prospect something which has no prospect of it may of success, even though it may have delayed the expansion of ulez greater london. i think ulez to greater london. i think in defence of johnson, i think he would not have expand ulez to all of greater london. i think he would have kept it as a as an issue for the inner london because of course transport links are not as good in outer london they are in inner london as they are in inner london. what johnson london. that's what if johnson was defend it. that was here, he may defend it. that way. but yes, mean,

way. yeah, but yes, i mean, i think it's going to be difficult. i mean, hopefully we'll be hearing from sadiq khan tomorrow channel tomorrow on this channel defending there's no defending it. but there's no doubt concern about doubt there's concern about from people in those counties people really in those counties abutting you know, if abutting london. you know, if you go shopping, if you go and you go shopping, if you go and you go shopping, if you go and you go to a hospital inside the south and north circular road, do you get charged £12.50. it seems unfair. yeah. >> well, chris, you'll be joining me tomorrow night in my local area where i've lived all my life. and it's the most rural part of greater london. and you'll see for yourself what a complete and utter nonsense much of is. christopher hope, of it is. christopher hope, thank you very much indeed . and thank you very much indeed. and now the what? the farage moment . been terrible trouble . i've been in terrible trouble in past with the national in the past with the national press for daring to say there's a column inside the a fifth column inside the country, terrible historical compassion been compassion comparisons have been drawn , but try this one for drawn, but try this one for size, folks . emma haddad is her size, folks. emma haddad is her name . she was the home office's name. she was the home office's director , director—general for director, director—general for asylum until october 20th, 22. she's now now taken a to job

oversee amnesty international uk, who of course are campaigning against the government's attempts to halt channel crossings and deport migrants to rwanda . i mean, can migrants to rwanda. i mean, can you believe it? some dodi that was inside the home office. a senior civil servant who clearly disagreed with government policy at every level. and who knows, maybe obstructed it as well . now maybe obstructed it as well. now the next two days are going to be flat calm. there'll be many, many hundreds and probably into four figures that will cross the channel over the course of the next two days. but it's okay because the government's got a new plan. they may well fit asylum seekers that cross the channel with gps electronic tags . are they really going to do it? we'll discuss that in

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video. it's taken from the cliffs of northern france, and it's really quite interesting because what you see is you see a trafficker watching a boat crossed the english channel. and what this means and what this means. there he is. and he's got he's got some super binoculars . he's got some super binoculars. he's looking across. you can see doven he's looking across. you can see dover, the harbour of dover. and there's the dinghy. it's one of those newer kinds of dinghies, probably got up to probably up to 80 people on board. but he must be very happy because he's part of a gang that one boat will have been worth about 2.5 million million to that trafficker . and that's what trafficker. and that's what we're talking about here. we're talking about absolutely enormous sums of money being made by the criminal gangs. and it's why, however hard we crack down on them, whatever we do , down on them, whatever we do, they'll always be more people to

take their place. but the government say it's okay, we're going to get tough. we're going to gps tags on those that to put gps tags on those that arrive across the channel and who we can't house safely. a lot of this goes back to the government's illegal migration act, which they seem to think gives them enormous powers . i'm gives them enormous powers. i'm not so sure that really it does. well, joining us down the line is a friend of the program, ivan sampson. immigration lawyer ivan, is this just tough talk from a government whose policy is failing or is it feasible to put gps tags on people who might actually have come in some cases for genuine , legitimate reasons? for genuine, legitimate reasons? doesit for genuine, legitimate reasons? does it does it almost and would courts argue this almost says you're guilty, not innocent ? you're guilty, not innocent? >> indeed. and i think you'll get lots of legal challenges as tags are already used in the immigration system where there's a risk of somebody absconding

and they've got duties to report. now, if somebody is a genuine asylum seeker and he or she has every reason not to abscond, especially from a country like syria, iran , iraq, country like syria, iran, iraq, eritrea , these countries where eritrea, these countries where the success rate is in the 90, 90. why why would you want to put a tag on that individual? and it it could be a breach of their physical and moral integrity under the european convention. so they may well be legal challenges to that. >> our old friend, the european convention, absolutely. funny enough , i mean, suella braverman enough, i mean, suella braverman this morning on this point says , you know, my personal views are known , but it's not leaving are known, but it's not leaving the convention on is not on our radar. so maybe yet another policy that they can't actually enforce isn't ivan the other problem that they can simply be taken off? we showed this video earlier in the year. i'm going to show it again. and this was as an albanian, he was on bail

in this country. he'd been fitted with a tag and he simply cut it off and got rid of it. so isn't that the other problem , isn't that the other problem, that even if you were to put these ankle tags on people are these ankle tags on people are the seriously bad guys would just cut them off and chuck them away anyway ? away anyway? >> that's absolutely right . and >> that's absolutely right. and tags used currently are backed up, usually by someone providing surety . so it's usually a friend surety. so it's usually a friend or a family member and it can run into several thousands of pounds. run into several thousands of pounds . and if that person then pounds. and if that person then absconds and then that individual loses their money. so, so asylum seekers won't have any sureties . so they could any sureties. so they could simply, if they really determined to escape , to get out determined to escape, to get out of the system and just abscond and become illegally in the uk, then they can simply take them off. yeah, the cost of the tag is actually quite cheap. it works out about £10 a day, so it's actually a cheap and effective way to monitor those

who do not want to abscond, which sort of begs the question why would you want to tag somebody who doesn't want to abscond ? abscond? >> you say, you'd be >> yes. as you say, you'd be tagging the wrong people, wouldn't you? really? because you know , look, i don't think you know, look, i don't think for a moment, ivan, that it's actually going to happen . just actually going to happen. just a sort of final thought on this is the stop the boats policy . it's the stop the boats policy. it's not working at all, is it? >> no. and what the government's hoping the courts sort of late november , early december, will november, early december, will overrule all the high court decision that the policy is unlawful . remember, this whole unlawful. remember, this whole tagging and this whole tagging policy is because the illegal illegal migration act places a statutory duty on the government to detain and remove those seeking unauthorised entry to a safe third country, rwanda has been deemed to be unsafe by the court of appeal . so if that

court of appeal. so if that fails , is if the supreme court fails, is if the supreme court agrees with the court of appeal, it begs the question of they can't even enforce or or uphold their duties under the illegal migration act. so it would be a dead horse , basically. dead horse, basically. >> yeah. and there was a thought the other day, wasn't there, that maybe the ascension islands might suitable. but i think might be suitable. but i think was was that taken just to be completely ludicrous ? completely ludicrous? >> once again ? i mean, i think >> once again? i mean, i think the government announces policy choices without thinking them through, without really thinking whether they can actually implement them and this tagging policy is the same . rwanda's policy is the same. rwanda's been the same . making it illegal been the same. making it illegal to arrest people when they come across a channel that was also never implemented. so it's signs of a desperate government trying to show that, trying to do something. >> on that note , ivan samson, >> on that note, ivan samson, thank you very much indeed for joining us again on the program. thank you. yep. none of it is

going to work. and all the while and you heard it there, didn't you? the european convention or the part of that, we'll the one part of that, we'll never of it. now, he never solve any of it. now, he could luxuriating, lying down could be luxuriating, lying down in beloved of in his beloved county of somerset, but no, jacob rees—mogg here to present rees—mogg is here to present state of nation. jacob the state of the nation. jacob the nadine dorries . whether you nadine dorries. whether you agree with her points in a letter or not, and i was debating that with christopher hope earlier, isn't this a sign of a party that is just incapable of healing itself? >> no, i don't think so. i mean, nadine is really no, nadine is a great character and she says things in an extremely pithy manner and she gets her point across. well like you're a loser, prime minister. >> absolutely . >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> but actually, i think. >> but actually, i think. >> but actually, i think. >> but isn't that the sign of a split party? >> no, it's not that nadine ought to have got her peerage. it was deeply unfair that she didn't. that she's been a distinguished public servant, and she was in boris johnsons resignation . an honours she resignation. an honours she should have got it. that she

didn't get. it was a number 10 fix, which i thought was very unfortunate . however, i think unfortunate. however, i think most conservatives want to rally around the prime minister, want to back sunak because it's much better to have rishi sunak in office than it is to have sir keir starmer, who apparently can't called secure by can't be called secure by socialists anymore because it makes him too. makes him sound too. >> yeah, know , i know. >> yeah, i know, i know. >> yeah, i know, i know. >> really. >> pity, really. >> pity, really. >> know . well, jacob, you're >> i know. well, jacob, you're always the party line, always loyal to the party line, but i think if i'm. if i'm joe soap looking at this sirjoe soap looking at this or sir joe said you know, no chance of that.in said you know, no chance of that. in my case. no, ijust said you know, no chance of that. in my case. no, i just see that. in my case. no, ijust see a party that is constantly fighting within itself . and we fighting within itself. and we went through all these agonies in 2022 into 2023, and it just looks like it's still going on. ulez comes in at midnight, but i think this is the point. >> what do we actually do? not whether we like each other or not. >> no, no, no. >> we'll fine and ulez case in point, i know proposed by boris johnson, rubber stamped by grant shapps. >> what's the difference? jacob? >> what's the difference? jacob? >> we should legislate to stop

ulez the country . i don't ulez across the country. i don't know if you've noticed, but the transport secretary, mark harper, has introduced an amendment to the levelling up bill that will make it impossible to turn it into road. >> they should have used their powers the whole thing. article 143. should have their 143. they should have used their powers the will be done. powers. the damage will be done. let's a look at the weather let's have a look at the weather . i the temperatures rising in boxt solar >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to the next few days, the changeable theme will continue. most of us seeing some further rain at times, but in between there will be some sunshine. so as we m monday, got as we m monday, we've got this ridge pressure across ridge of high pressure across the is generally gave the uk. this is generally gave us day today, but us a settled day today, but fronts waiting up across the fronts are waiting up across the north—west. and as we go through the night , north—west. and as we go through the night, we'll the course of the night, we'll see of these moving see one of these moving into parts scotland northern parts of scotland and northern ireland. so some showers, showers a lot of showers here for a lot of england and wales, it

england and wales, though it should largely but should be largely dry, but fairly that will help fairly cloudy. so that will help keep cities keep most towns and cities firmly figures as we firmly in double figures as we start tuesday morning , so into start tuesday morning, so into tuesday, we'll track this band of rain further south of showery rain further south eastwards across england and wales . behind it, further wales. behind it, further showers moving in across parts of western scotland, quite blustery as we go blustery here, too. as we go through the course of the day, probably the driest conditions down south—east probably the driest conditions down here, south—east probably the driest conditions downhere, later south—east probably the driest conditions down here, later on, yuth—east probably the driest conditions down here, later on, we —east probably the driest conditions down here, later on, we will;t probably the driest conditions down here, later on, we will see even here, later on, we will see a few showers. so i think come the afternoon, possibly the best of over towards of sunshine over towards northern england the northern england in in the sunshine, feeling pleasantly warm, us seeing similar warm, most of us seeing similar temperatures to what we have seen into wednesday . i'm seen today into wednesday. i'm hopeful for a little bit more sunshine across the board, but still the risk of some showers, especially across eastern parts of scotland, into parts of of scotland, down into parts of england, too. but in the sunshine an it should feel fairly pleasant, but still that keen across the north keen wind up across the north into thursday. a band of rain moving across many southern parts the uk. and really parts of the uk. and really that's going to continue the changeable theme as go changeable theme as we go through of the week . through the course of the week. >> the temperatures rising, boxt

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