actually resigned. guess what.7 brace yourself. she seems to have actually followed through and resigned in her letter. she has absolute battered rishi sunak and beyond. did you read it? do sunak and beyond. did you read it.7 do you agree with her approach? what it? do you agree with her approach? what is wrong with the tories? why do they want to create so much damage to themselves and post brexit border checks have been delayed for the fifth time in a row . do for the fifth time in a row. do you think that brexit will ever get done or not? and get this, alcohol related deaths are at a 14 year high? i'm asking you a simple question. do you think we have a drink problem and clean

air zones? whatever you call them, they are a cash cow to some and essential health policy to others. as ulez expands across london today , we've got across london today, we've got an interview with none other than sadiq khan to explain his thinking behind it all. but do not be mistaken, this is not just a london thing. whatever you call them, les cas, clean air zones, whatever these things are happening up and down the country . is your town going to country. is your town going to be next? if so, would you support them? we've got it to all come and more. but before we get into it, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines . tonight's latest headlines. >> michelle, thank you very much. and good evening. i'm tatiana sanchez in the newsroom. the mayor of london says he's sorry for anyone who's suffering adverse consequences because of his policies. adverse consequences because of his policies . speaking to gb his policies. speaking to gb news sadiq khan said the expanded ulez policy is essential to protect the health of people living in the capital. >> well, i'm always sorry for

anybody who's suffering adverse consequences because of our policies , but at the same time, policies, but at the same time, i've got to be honest with people and say i've been meeting bereaved mums who've lost their children because of air pollution. i've meeting a pollution. i've been meeting a paediatrician today who works with monzo pregnant, suffering the consequences because of air pollution and babies who are born suffering consequences. born suffering the consequences. i've a doctor who runs i've met today a doctor who runs an asthma clinic, but also i visited great ormond street, the inpatient ward at the children's evelina hospital. i met scientists, health practitioners and others. that's why i'm angry that the government is letting down london and the south—east >> you can see more of that interview with the london mayor here on gb news coming up at 630. prime minister rishi sunak says the mayor's decision is in poor taste . poor taste. >> people and families are struggling with the cost of living. that's obvious to everyone and at that time the labour party, the labour mayor, sadiq khan, keir starmer are introducing the ulez charge which is going to hit working

families. i don't think that's the right priority. i don't think that's the right thing to do and i wish they had not done it. >> gb news can reveal at least 20,000 people have crossed the engush 20,000 people have crossed the english channel, so far this yeah english channel, so far this year. official home office figures show that up until yesterday , 19,800 migrants had yesterday, 19,800 migrants had arrived in small boats . however, arrived in small boats. however, gb sources reveal up to 300 migrants being brought into dover harbour on border force vessels. today brings that total so far this year over 20,000. it's understood they crossed the channelin it's understood they crossed the channel in at least six dinghies. that comes as the government insists it's stopping the boats . tens of thousands of the boats. tens of thousands of airline passengers have seen their flights cancelled today due to the knock on effects of an air traffic control fault. analysis of flight data shows at least 281 flights have been cancelled at the uk's sixth busiest airports , with gatwick busiest airports, with gatwick and heathrow hit worst . the and heathrow hit worst. the transport secretary told gb news an independent review will take place into how the technical problem began. mark harper also

says he's in touch with the airlines as the funeral of russian mercenary chief yevgeny prigozhin was held privately at a cemetery in saint petersburg. that's according to his press office. secretary secrecy had surrounded the funeral arrangements for prigozhin, who was killed in that plane crash two months after staging a mutiny against vladimir putin. the kremlin had said earlier that the russian president would not be attending the funeral the way in which the notting hill carnival is run and policed is being reviewed after eight stabbings at the event last night, 129 year old man is still in a critical condition after he was stabbed on the northern fringes of the carnival an hour earlier. a 19 year old man was stabbed and seriously injured on ladbroke grove. in the heart of the carnival area. six others were also stabbed but didn't suffer life threatening injuries. there were 275 arrests across the two day event at sir

rhett davies says only the liberal democrat ace can win against the tories and the usually safe seat of mid bedfordshire. the lib dems are challenging labour's effort to take nadine dorries old seat after her resignation at the weekend . the prime minister says weekend. the prime minister says he's looking forward to supporting his party's new candidate, but sarah davies says he's confident his party will take the seat . take the seat. >> the liberal democrats are clearly the challenges to the conservatives here in mid bedfordshire we've seen that knocking on doors. i've talked to a lot of people, including labour party members, who are going the liberal going to vote for the liberal democrats they know that democrats because they know that only the democrats can only the liberal democrats can beat a seat beat the conservatives in a seat like which is a very rural like this, which is a very rural it's what i've called a blue wool seat. so i think when people wake after the people wake up after the election, they'll have election, they'll either have a conservative or a liberal conservative mp or a liberal democrat . and relaxing democrat mp. and relaxing environmental rules will help lead to the construction of 100,000 new homes in england by 2030, according to the prime minister. >> eu era restrictions currently mean housebuilders must consider

the impact new developments may have on rivers and waterways . have on rivers and waterways. labour's shadow housing secretary lisa nandy, says the government's failing on both housing and the environment . it. housing and the environment. it. but rishi sunak argues the plan will be good for first home buyers and boosting the economy . this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on digital on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to . michelle thanks for that. >> tatiana michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, a new face to the panel alongside me, a new face to the panel. we like those, don't we? businessman and motivator speaker gerald ratner. good evening. welcome. hi, michelle. and one of our old favourites , and one of our old favourites, you know, it is pr consultant alex dean. i used to have you on a friday and everyone always messages to say i like alex with his pint on a friday. they miss you. >> you want to give me one tonight? i'd take it. >> i know. i think it would take

it as well, but no, i have a no drinking till friday rule on this programme. i'm very sensible not least sensible individual, not least because little bit because i am asking a little bit later on in the programme whether not as brits have whether or not we as brits have a drink problem. deaths from alcohol is apparently a 14 year high some places. do you high in some places. do you dnnk high in some places. do you drink think? oh drink too much? do you think? oh shut whingeing about shut up. whingeing about alcohol, state alcohol, stop being nanny state gone with all gone mad. get in touch with all of thoughts tonight on of your thoughts tonight on anything that you want. gb views that gbnews.com is how you reach me the or you can tweet me on the email or you can tweet me on the email or you can tweet me at gb news. i do want to kick off, in fact, actually before i get into the script and what i'm doing, that traffic control situation, those people stranded , it's really awful. it makes me wonder that we're getting so reliant now on technology. you know, is this just a sign of things to come when technology fails? impact is immense . fails? the impact is immense. >> i think i disagree actually. see, the thing about this situation me that 99.9% situation for me is that 99.9% of the time these systems work flawlessly and nobody notices . flawlessly and nobody notices. so it's only when something like

this happens that people even think about this function. but the most important thing in air traffic control is obvious. it's safety . and as something safety. and as soon as something has a little wrong and they has gone a little wrong and they are pull back and you are right to pull back and you know, it's sad and frustrating if somewhere, but if you can't fly somewhere, but god, better than the god, it's better than the alternative. continuing flights when go wrong. when something may go wrong. actually, really respect the actually, i really respect the people run these systems. people who run these systems. >> are you stuck in an >> do you do are you stuck in an airport watching on your airport watching me on your telephone something?are airport watching me on your telephone something? are you telephone or something? are you shouting saying you don't respect that respect the people that run these touch. let these systems? get in touch. let me what do you is me know. what do you think? is this technology mad or what? >> i don't agree. i think that nats should pay for this. i think that the distress that they mean, we've they cause, i mean, we've all been airports stuck and been in airports stuck and delayed terrible , delayed and it's a terrible, terrible situation because you're control you're you've got no control over you're treated like over it and you're treated like cattle. now, we always hear about getting bonuses for about people getting bonuses for achievement. an absolute achievement. this is an absolute disaster. what happened and the anxiety and the stress that it caused all those people and families was awful. and somebody they always get bonuses when

things go wrong. so they should be fined when things go badly. >> compensation is fair enough to get back in compensation. >> fair enough. that absolutely that's a separate point in my view. my point was simply that if systems look like they're not going you shouldn't going to work, you shouldn't fly. there go. going to work, you shouldn't fly. get there go. going to work, you shouldn't fly. get yourere go. going to work, you shouldn't fly. get your thoughts». going to work, you shouldn't fly. get your thoughts coming in. >> get your thoughts coming in. have you been impacted by that? do you know anyone that is a little bit off topic there? i wasn't supposed to be covering that, couldn't help myself that, but couldn't help myself when the news. when i heard it in the news. nadine dorries you'll remember when i heard it in the news. nadiof dorries you'll remember when i heard it in the news. nadiof course. you'll remember when i heard it in the news. nadiof course. she'll remember when i heard it in the news. nadiof course. she resigned1ber when i heard it in the news. nadiof course. she resigned and her, of course. she resigned and i say it with a bit of a wry smile because she apparently resigned two and a half months ago, and didn't go ago, didn't she, and didn't go anywhere fast at all. but anywhere very fast at all. but she now formally she has now actually formally resigned with her really, i would resignation letter. would say, resignation letter. i've got it. i printed it out and in preparation for the show today, i started highlighting the bits that i thought were kind of made me go like, ooh, ooh. and then i realised it was pretty the entire so pretty much the entire thing. so i stopped highlighting it i just stopped highlighting it because all of it i don't know if seen it or because all of it i don't know if it. seen it or because all of it i don't know if it. i'll seen it or because all of it i don't know

if it. i'll describeen it or because all of it i don't know if it. i'll describe some>r because all of it i don't know if it. i'll describe some of read it. i'll describe some of the best bits in a minute. you want to read it through your your fingers basically because it so and i mean literally , i it is so and i mean literally, i would whole it's would say the whole thing, it's about long, but about three pages long, but she's basically saying , about three pages long, but she's basically saying, i'm paraphrasing here, but she's basically saying that rishi sunakis basically saying that rishi sunak is a bit of a joke, that there is a democratic deficit, there is a democratic deficit, there is a zombie government that's basically been happening, a zombie parliament. but she talks about political assassinations and dark forces. why are the tories doing this to themselves? >> well, that last question is a very good one. i always hate blue on blue, but look, i have a position on this that will please nobody. point one. i rather like nadine dorries. i've known her a long time and i rather like her. which 99% of people will immediately switch off. but number two, i don't think she should have sent this letter reasons, really. letter for two reasons, really. the that the longer you the first is that the longer you make something like this, the less impact has. i mean , it's less impact it has. i mean, it's just this redolent of the kitchen sink. and another thing that i don't like and another thing i don't and in

thing that i don't like. and in the you just i think you the end, you just i think you come as bitter and she's come across as bitter and she's better, in my view, at least she's better than that. but the second reason is to with second reason is to do with your blue thing. people second reason is to do with your blue get thing. people second reason is to do with your blue get elected ng. people second reason is to do with your blue get elected because le second reason is to do with your blue get elected because they don't get elected because they are. nadine or for that are. nadine dorries or for that matter because they're rishi sunak they get elected because they've rosette they've got a blue rosette on or a on, in the end a red rosette on, and in the end you owe the party that got you elected a good deal more loyalty than is show, just with, than is on show, not just with, with example, but basically with this example, but basically across board. across the political board. >> reading a letter, it >> charles reading a letter, it was rather tribute to herself. was rather a tribute to herself. normally i think should rely was rather a tribute to herself. no somebodyink should rely was rather a tribute to herself. no somebody else should rely was rather a tribute to herself. no somebody else to should rely was rather a tribute to herself. no somebody else to d0)uld rely was rather a tribute to herself. no somebody else to do that. sly was rather a tribute to herself. no somebody else to do that. she on somebody else to do that. she was talking about what a great culture secretary was, culture secretary she was, which i think of people would i think a lot of people would disagree on that. she's a pubuchy disagree on that. she's a publicity she doesn't publicity seeker and she doesn't like she didn't. the like anybody. she didn't. the only she is boris. only person she likes is boris. she cameron because she hated david cameron because he told her to calm down and she said , i'm not going to take this said, i'm not going to take this from . and she had a go at george from. and she had a go at george osborne as well. she says, i'm not going to take this from two rich boys from eton. so she didn't them. didn't didn't like them. she didn't like prime ministers like any of the prime ministers that in terms of that followed. in terms of

theresa or truss , it was theresa may or liz truss, it was only boris, which tells you something about her and i think that she's got a point in terms of the tory party being broken. i think that they realise it's broken at the moment. i don't think they're happy, but they've broken it. >> they've done this. i mean how anyone, how anyone can go from what boris johnson achieved to the absolute shambles that they've made. it is beyond me . they've made. it is beyond me. >> well, it's certainly an uphill at the next uphill struggle at the next election of course, in election because, of course, in 2019, factors 2019, the three big factors basically were are boris brexit and corbyn, and none of those factors will apply at the next election. so it's going to be more for the more difficult for the conservative no argument conservative party. no argument about actually your about that. but actually your point this if the point about why do this if the party's in trouble applies both ways . i party's in trouble applies both ways. i say party's in trouble applies both ways . i say plainly, party's in trouble applies both ways. i say plainly, nadine dorries is not in a happy place. i don't believe in kicking someone when they're down. if you her premise and the you accept her premise and the prime minister is in trouble and not doing well, then don't send in resignation like in a resignation letter like this. she not in a happy place? >> well, plainly, she she's not

on board with what's happened since went as since boris johnson went as prime and you know prime minister. and you know what? the japanese what? i was the last japanese soldier my jungle island soldier on my jungle island defending johnson pm. defending boris johnson as pm. i did saying he did morning tv saying he shouldn't resign when he resigned like an hour later. but we where are and i think we are where we are and i think rishi sunak is doing well rishi sunak is doing pretty well as prime minister better as prime minister and far better than in than people expected in the political few months political cycle a few months ago. but it is ago. yeah, but it is self—inflicted and she's right about that. >> as you say, michelle. we could believe that. boris came in with this huge majority and thatis in with this huge majority and that is gone for one reason and one reason only. the reason he got that majority was because of brexit, which know we're going brexit, which i know we're going to about. yeah, are. to talk about. yeah, we are. because they backed for because they all backed him for getting of that getting us out of europe. that situation now has changed dramatically. so all those people in that red wall are not going to vote tory next time around and they've shot themselves in the foot completely. >> it wasn't just one factor. there was another one, which was beyond the gift of the conservative party, which was rightly and there rightly or wrongly. and there will even will be some people even watching gb who disagree. watching gb news who disagree. but there were widely in

but there were widely view in this jeremy this country was that jeremy corbyn a plausible corbyn was not a plausible candidate minister. candidate to be prime minister. so factor has been taken so that factor has been taken away from electoral calculus away from the electoral calculus and shift reflected and it's shift is reflected in the polls. and it's shift is reflected in the yeah, but keir starmer >> yeah, but keir starmer is going win election by going to win this election by actually on tory actually taking on tory policies. well you make an interesting point because she says in this letter and if you've seen it way, you've not seen it by the way, you've not seen it by the way, you can it's widely available now the internet. now all over the internet. >> letter >> which chapter of the letter do you us to turn to? do you want us to turn to? >> the final second to last paragraph, she says , basically, paragraph, she says, basically, you all the you have abandon all the fundamental of fundamental principles of conservatism and history will not judge you kindly. so the point that gerald makes there is an interesting one, which is actually some people will say that conservatives are no that the conservatives are no longer the conservatives. and actually some the other actually some of the other parties, whether reform or parties, whether it's reform or whoever are now taking that whoever they are now taking that fill in that void. >> oh , look, i mean, that part >> oh, look, i mean, that part of her letter and i've been as kind as can, but i think that kind as i can, but i think that part of that letter is basically ridiculous. plainly, this government lower tax, government wants to lower tax, even as much even if it's not doing as much as it could, or in view, as it could, or in my view, should. but, you know, just try

as it could, or in my view, sho other ut, you know, just try as it could, or in my view, sho other lot you know, just try as it could, or in my view, sho other lot t01 know, just try as it could, or in my view, sho other lot to see, »w, just try as it could, or in my view, sho other lot to see, you jst try as it could, or in my view, sho other lot to see, you know, the other lot to see, you know, nobody the ersatz to the nobody prefers the ersatz to the real. there's no point in the tory party trying to pretend to be left wing. the labour party will there's will always outbid you. there's no in the labour party no point in the labour party pretending to on your side as pretending to be on your side as a payer saying they're a tax payer or saying they're going cut taxes shrink going to cut taxes and shrink the the state because the size of the state because they will. they never will. >> say, you know, >> and you say, you know, nadine, she's a nice person and she's a bit sad. i don't know nadine, but i'm not surprised that i think she's that she's sad. i think she's a jumped self—entitled jumped up self—entitled individual. that individual. and the reason that she's she she's sad is because she believes that deserves believes that she deserves serves this place in the house of all this is her of lords. and all of this is her kicking off like a petulant child because she didn't get that and think that entitlement. and i think that entitlement. and i think that embarrassing. that it's embarrassing. >> i macbeth, isn't it, where everything othello, where everything othello, where everything kicks off because iagoisnt everything kicks off because iago isn't given the title that he wants to murderous ends for nobody is entitled to go to the house of lords. and i know we've been showering, peerages like confetti such that, you know, the three of us must feel that between us, there's something gone because us

gone wrong. because none of us three got peerage yet. three have got a peerage yet. and must only be a matter of and it must only be a matter of time. surely but actually, nobody's entitled to peerage. nobody's entitled to a peerage. it's greatest honours it's one of the greatest honours this bestow. and this country can bestow. and throwing out of the throwing your toys out of the pram because you didn't get one to me. seems absurd and another by—election on the way. >> do you think the tories can secure or not? secure it or not? >> i think they'll lose it. i cannot see how i think. firstly we reason they held to we the only reason they held to on uxbridge and that's another thing we're talking about, right, think that right, is ulez. i think that otherwise if you looked at the otherwise if you looked at the other byelections, they got slaughtered . so there's no slaughtered. so there's no reason the is not an issue reason the ulez is not an issue in this one. and also think in this one. and i also think there's lot of hostility there's a lot of hostility against nadine dorries locally , against nadine dorries locally, the way that she disappeared for so long. well, she said the protest, she says again , i mean, protest, she says again, i mean, this really is a fascinating letter. >> she basically says that she has been busy serving her constituents and dealing with their stuff. she's a very proud person of her job and her person of herjob and her history and all the rest of it. she says that the prime minister

and a lot of the media have basically done a bit of a witch hunt against her. lastly because i'm just conscious of time, i've got a discuss tonight. got a lot to discuss tonight. she's saying that there is this kind of these dark forces at play kind of these dark forces at play are kind of very play that are kind of being very undemocratic. you agree with that? >> look, it's so easy in any political environment to say , political environment to say, oh, the illuminati, you know, the man is out to get us. there's a great conspiracy. and by the way, these vaccines, i'm not sure about whether they were given for our health or for given us for our health or for mind have you mind control. and have you noficed mind control. and have you noticed these chem trails, noticed all these chem trails, by way, in end, it's so by the way, in the end, it's so easy disappear down easy to disappear down a conspiracy theory track. normally, is judged and normally, politics is judged and run by up, not by conspiracy. >> is that fair ? >> is that fair? >> is that fair? >> is that fair? >> i think it's a fair point. there's some truth in that. and it's a really sad situation as a tory voter myself, all my life, i can't get myself to vote tory this time because of this whole as one. nadine dorries is there anything that could do to win back your vote at the next election? >> because there's a long time

between now and then. >> well, sunak is doing all the right things. i mean, he's trying, he's doing his best, but i think that it's been such a up, as you say, over the last 10 or 11 years. >> i think there's a lot of people who think what you just said sunak is doing all the right things and i think they're going do better than people going to do better than people are expecting. >> nadine dorries, >> well, nadine dorries, in her letter, it's been says letter, she says it's been says she says since you took office a year country has been she says since you took office a yea|by country has been she says since you took office a yea|by a country has been she says since you took office a yea|by a zombiejntry has been she says since you took office a yea|by a zombie parliamenteen she says since you took office a yea|by a zombie parliament where run by a zombie parliament where nothing meaningful has happened. what been done or what exactly has been done or what have you achieved? what exactly have you achieved? she goes on about basically how he unelected and he holds office, unelected and so so forth. another so on and so forth. another thing didn't a chance to thing i didn't get a chance to rant one of the problems rant about. one of the problems i happening with i think that's happening with a lot mps at the moment, they lot of mps at the moment, they think they're mini celebrities. they're on these daft they're going off on these daft reality whilst you're reality tv shows whilst you're still your constituents still serving your constituents apparently, and you're eating kangaroo bits and pieces in jungles, books, jungles, you're writing books, you've got your own tv shows that you ask me, is part of that if you ask me, is part of the of our political the decline of our political system anyway, get thoughts the decline of our political sy�*and anyway, get thoughts the decline of our political sy�*and an'mey, get thoughts the decline of our political sy�*and an'me know thoughts the decline of our political sy�*and an'me know whatthoughts the decline of our political sy�*and an'me know what you ghts in and let me know what you think of that. i want think about some of that. i want

to brexit after the after to talk brexit after the after the break because as we've got checks delayed the checks now being delayed for the fifth what on earth is fifth time, what on earth is going will ever get going on? will brexit ever get done? ever be able to done? will we ever be able to move on and turn the page?

>> you're listening to gb news radio . hello radio. hello there. >> i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, the businessman and motivational speaker, gerald ratner the consultant ratner and the pr consultant alex dean. we've just been talking about nadine dorries and whether or not her resignation letter very long was a positive thing for the tories or not. nadine dorries i don't know if she's been paying you guys to write in tonight, but cor blimey , your support for nadine is unwavering. you're saying i do not agree with you, michelle. nadine dorries resignation letter accurately criticises sunak for all the right reasons . david says sorry linda again. she agrees with nadine and david

is saying that you agree ? lots is saying that you agree? lots of you. actually, i'm just trying to look for someone who doesn't actually agree. pete says a conservative, but says i'm a conservative, but i will never vote the tories again. they've abandoned every principle of conservatism over the last decade. the tax is the highest it has been for decades. good on nadine , though, says good on nadine, though, says naomi's freedom of speech is great and she has the inside track. i've got to say, lots and lots and lots of you support supporting nadine dorries out there. i'll leave you to have there. i'll leave you to have the final thought and the final word on it while i move on to brexit. i had hoped that by now in life, brexit wasn't even a thing. it wasn't even a point of discussion. but no, we are still talking about it. the reason why is because we're supposed to have had brexit checks now introduced on things like food and plant and animal produce acas, is arriving into the acas, which is arriving into the uk. but it has been delayed again, this time for a fifth time. and it's it it gets me thinking because we've got these checksin thinking because we've got these checks in the opposite direction. so it's the checks on goods coming into here that we

can't seem to get our house in order and sought out. alex will we ever get brexit done? well it's my view that's looking at it's my view that's looking at it through the wrong lens because brexit itself , our because brexit itself, our ability to decide things for ourselves , that has been done. ourselves, that has been done. >> what you do and the decisions you take, that's a process that will be with us as an independent and sovereign country. least for country. hopefully at least for the my life. and well the rest of my life. and well beyond. so every time we do a new deal that we couldn't new trade deal that we couldn't have whilst member of the have done whilst a member of the european will be an aspect european union will be an aspect of brexit on your test and people would say, well, won't brexit ever be finished? well, we've done one with india, but when we do one with pakistan and isn't to be isn't brexit going to be finished the same way on finished in the same way on this, we have ability to this, we have the ability to decide ourselves how we decide for ourselves how we implement restrictions on goods coming country, coming into this country, beanng coming into this country, bearing the that bearing in mind the fact that for then eu had figured for so long then eu had figured out their side since january 2021 government has 2021 because government has consulted business which consulted with business which has told and traders have told government need more time government they need more time to for what's going to

to prepare for what's going to happen. furthermore, happen. and indeed, furthermore, when restrictions on, when you put restrictions on, you me a question. when you you ask me a question. when you put restrictions on, yes, but then we didn't actually implement brexit reasons we implement brexit for reasons we can discuss for some time after the vote when you impose new restrictions on things coming into a country, it can have an inflationary effect. and the people who will often pay more for it are the consumers of those products. actually those products. so actually impose more restrictions on something not necessarily be something may not necessarily be in consumers interests . so in consumers interests. so government right to tread government is right to tread cautiously and way cautiously on this. and one way tariffs, that's just the tariffs, well, that's just the way the world. we're entitled way of the world. we're entitled to zero rate things or not impose further restrictions on things, side things, even if the other side does, because it's often in the consumer's from alex. does, because it's often in the con do ner's from alex. does, because it's often in the con do you from alex. does, because it's often in the con do you share from alex. does, because it's often in the con do you share that? rom alex. >> do you share that? >> do you share that? >> well, i don't know really, to be honest with don't know be honest with you. i don't know whether brexit was a good thing or not a good thing. i mean, i went to vote with my son. i thought, well, it's going to be a in the neck to get a whole pain in the neck to get out of brexit. it's like going through a divorce sometimes, through a divorce and sometimes, you a marriage you know, you're in a marriage which no good and think,

which is no good and you think, well, get divorced? well, should i get divorced? i can't be bothered with all of this going to lose this because i'm going to lose my and all and my house and all that. and there's disruption. and there's so much disruption. and this main thing. i don't this is the main thing. i don't think anyone knows whether brexit is good bad. think brexit is good or bad. i think it's thing to really it's a ten year thing to really discover that. but i do know that meanwhile, we've got that in the meanwhile, we've got a of a of disruption a hell of a lot of disruption and the northern ireland thing will never i see how there will never i can't see how there ever be resolved and we've ever will be resolved and we've got enough problems. but what disruption we disruption have we got? >> everything >> well, because everything gets blamed i sneezed blamed on brexit. if i sneezed and i had nose bleed, there'd and i had a nose bleed, there'd be someone in the vicinity that would and would somehow link that and connect to brexit. well connect that to brexit. well brexit, reason that people brexit, the reason that people voted for brexit, let's be honest , is voted for brexit, let's be honest, is thing is immigration. >> we had too much immigration in. so what's happened since brexit? we've got exactly the same immigration. we just replaced it with eu immigrants. we've replaced them with non eu immigrants . we've replaced them with non eu immigrants. that's the only difference. so that's why i voted for brexit and i didn't voted for brexit and i didn't vote for brexit over immigration. >> i voted for us to be able to

make sovereign decisions for ourselves rather than having those decisions made elsewhere. and way, from my and that, by the way, from my view, be a more liberal view, might be a more liberal perspective on migration, which would perspective for would be my perspective for example, it comes to a example, when it comes to a trade with india where you trade deal with india where you can people coming, can identify the people coming, they purposes they come for stated purposes and stated and reasons stated qualifications required by qualifications as required by our favour our government. i'd be in favour of of not less. of more of that, not less. >> loads of people did loads >> but loads of people did loads of in their towns and of people in their towns and cities. immigration cities. they saw immigration having town having changed their town and cities wage cities in some cases wage depression because things depression because of things like the expansion into the european sorry, the eastern bloc where you've got all of your cheaper etcetera cheaper plumbers, etcetera coming a big coming in. so it was a big factor a lot of people. factor for a lot of people. >> of it was a big >> of course, it was a big factor and that's a fair point. but that wasn't what gerald said. said that let's said. he said that let's be honest, reason people voted honest, the reason people voted for that whereas for brexit was that whereas a matter fact, as in any big matter of fact, as in any big decision like voting for a government there, a coalition of people different people motivated by different things i'm a much people motivated by different thingzon i'm a much people motivated by different thingzon the i'm a much people motivated by different thingzon the free i'm a much people motivated by different thingzon the free trade 'm a much more on the free trade libertarian of things. libertarian end of those things. but formed common cause but yes, i formed common cause with people who wanted restrictions be used and restrictions to be used and implemented ways. restrictions to be used and impthe ented ways. restrictions to be used and impthe common ways.

restrictions to be used and impthe common feature ways. restrictions to be used and impthe common feature ofays. restrictions to be used and impthe common feature of that but the common feature of that was belief that the decision was the belief that the decision about it should about what we do on it should sit us and not with someone else. >> do you see any opportunity in brexit? do you look at it and 90, brexit? do you look at it and go, yes, this new landscape? you're an entrepreneur. me capitalise. >> well, exactly >> well, no, exactly the opposite actually. but the thing i do like is that we have got rid of another layer of politicians . as meps. you have politicians. as meps. you have people like kinnock and his whole family on this gravy train and i don't know why we keep having to add layers of politicians . as you know, when politicians. as you know, when i was young we just had the house of lords and the house of commons. now we've got the scottish assembly, the welsh assembly, irish assembly is not sitting. we've got various police commissioners. we've got mayors. why do we need we never had mayors. why do we keep adding to bring democracy closer to the people, to let people have more influence and control over what happens in their close proximity? do that proximity? but you don't do that by having more sheriffs than cowboys. i mean, it's just getting we keep having getting why do we keep having to add bureaucracy? one of add more bureaucracy? so one of the i do like

the things i do like about brexit we have to pay brexit is we don't have to pay those meps any longer, but what i do think is an interesting challenge is that the government will have something challenge is that the government will by have something challenge is that the government will by the have something challenge is that the government will by the next something challenge is that the government will by the next election ng show by the next election and say this something concrete say this is something concrete that delivered and whether that we've delivered and whether you think the principles i'm talking sovereignty talking about, about sovereignty are not, i accept are important or not, i accept pragmatically you need have pragmatically you need to have something to say. >> is. we've >> look, there it is. we've delivered something you delivered something that you wouldn't without wouldn't have had without brexit. me, brexit. and for me, it's probably thing that's probably the thing that's shaping to is going to shaping it up to be is going to be the indian trade deal, because something because that is not something you'd have been able to sign with member european with your member of the european union. now, as it happens, i also think and hope the government desperately needs to have more have a fix on boats, more boats coming france , and that's coming from france, and that's something brexit no brexit, something brexit or no brexit, it's going to have to have an answer to. but on the brexit challenge of what have you done with these you know, with these freedoms, you know, the democracy the the biggest democracy in the world, got trade deal world, we've got a trade deal with that's not a bad outcome. >> no, i agree. and that's why i say jury's on it because say the jury's out on it because it's a swings and roundabouts situation. are situation. i mean, there are certain things that we're

losing. investment, for losing. business investment, for instance, is 10% down because there's of companies there's a lot of big companies take a that we've made a take a view that we've made a big mistake, but so it swings and roundabouts. >> but but how do you know that that investment decline , if that investment decline, if there is directly linked there is one, is directly linked or because of brexit, not because i think it all plays part of this scenario that britain is going backwards, it's broken britain, it's all to do with the nhs , the waiting list, with the nhs, the waiting list, the fact that we spent too much in the pandemic, we got ripped off. >> the fact that we're now the brexit. but i think that all of these things pile on people. there's no pound shillings and pence decision , just people take pence decision, just people take a view business people take a view and they say britain has made a lot of mistakes and it's not a country that's top of our list for investment. and that wasn't the case ten years ago. it wasn't even the case five years ago. it's not fair. >> no, i'm not sure it is. i mean, look, i mean, obviously we everyone would want waiting lists within the nhs to be

lower, seems. indeed lower, it seems. and indeed that's of the prime that's one of the prime minister's key pledges. minister's five key pledges. but it seem that's much it does seem to me that's much more do with coronavirus and more to do with coronavirus and our response than anything our response to it than anything else, we turned nhs else, because we turned our nhs into system for into covid health system for some enormous period of time and the backlog mounted up hugely. that a decision we made for that was a decision we made for ourselves. it's quite wrongly, it seems quite likely to me that will decision of the will be the decision of the investigation into covid when it finally reports back . but that's finally reports back. but that's nothing do with brexit. nothing to do with brexit. >> go. what do >> well, there you go. what do you to it? are you still you make to it? are you still a passionate brexiteer? do you stand decision indeed stand by that decision if indeed you made or do you look back you made it, or do you look back or misty eyed for how life used to in touch and let me to be? get in touch and let me know after break. i've got know after the break. i've got a lot coming way. want to lot coming your way. i want to talk you about alcohol. we talk to you about alcohol. do we have drink problem in this have a drink problem in this country? as well? ulez. you country? also as well? ulez. you don't want to miss it. sadiq khan will be explaining himself when expansion, when it comes to the expansion, but not. is just but worry not. this is not just a london these clean air a london thing. these clean air zones popping over zones are popping up all over the place. you have one in the place. do you have one in your town? and if not now, then don't worry. i'm sure it will

listening to gb news radio. >> hello there. >> hello there. >> i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside my new to face the show business and motivational speaker gerald ratner and the pr consultant alex dean. lots of you getting in touch about those last few topics on brexit. christine says, i voted for brexit because i didn't like a collective of other countries deciding our laws and our way of life . fred laws and our way of life. fred i voted for democracy , not voted for democracy, not unelected people, to rule over us, chris says. i didn't vote solely because of immigration, but lots of other things, including the very large state of the eu, which is not accountable to us, ian says. if we're now self—governing, how is it then that the eu still seems to dictate what happens, particularly in aspects of things like human rights and everything else ? well, the echr everything else? well, the echr is not a part of the eu, so hence we are still in that.

stephen's says i voted brexit so we can manage all of our country and all of our areas in the way. whatever we see fit. there you go. i shall leave that brexit chat for now because i want to talk to you about booze. are you a drinker ? if so, are you happy a drinker? if so, are you happy with amount that you drink? with the amount that you drink? do as a country do you think we as a country dnnk do you think we as a country drink a little bit too much? i'm asking the number of asking because the number of people in scotland whose death was has risen people in scotland whose death wathe has risen people in scotland whose death wathe highest has risen people in scotland whose death wathe highest level has risen people in scotland whose death wathe highest level in has risen people in scotland whose death wathe highest level in 14s risen to the highest level in 14 years. it has got me thinking about this, gerald , because when about this, gerald, because when you look right across the uk, actually a lot of these figures are increasing. when it comes to the amount we're drinking and the amount we're drinking and the challenges that it's bringing etcetera. where do bringing us, etcetera. where do you stand on it? well was you stand on it? well i was listening this interview with listening to this interview with the oldest man in britain whose birthday 111, and they asked birthday was 111, and they asked him the secret of his longevity and he said moderation. >> and i think there is a lot of truth in that. but unfortunately , i cannot be really exercise his advice because when i opened a bottle of wine, i tend to

finish it. i'm enjoying it so much. but you do enjoy it and it's fabulous while you're drinking it. >> but then do you drink daily? so like every night, would you get home and open your wine? >> well, i try and don't do that because of the fact that i would dnnk because of the fact that i would drink bottle every night drink a whole bottle every night and i would find that if i did that, i wouldn't eat. i mean, i do mentoring and stuff like that, and you have to have your wits about you. i do motivational speaking and that would be affected. there's no question whatsoever. i drank a bottle wine night. you lose bottle of wine a night. you lose your sharpness. so when i'm working, which is sort of perhaps most of the time i wouldn't drink, but at weekends when i really want to relax , it when i really want to relax, it is very nice to open a bottle of wine. red wine sits at the end of the garden and even see the joy of the garden and even see the joy in his face. >> it's like sitting there thinking about it. it. >> i feel like i'm there. >> i feel like i'm there. >> yeah, i can hear that cork popping- >> yeah, i can hear that cork popping. sounds super. where do you stand on it, alex? >> my thing is this. of >> my first thing is this. of course, no man island and

course, no man is an island and anybody's is sad because anybody's death is sad because we part of the main. but we are all part of the main. but this. these are tiny statistics. this is an increase of under three dozen people , sadly have three dozen people, sadly have died. it's a 2% rise on the year pnor. died. it's a 2% rise on the year prior . so died. it's a 2% rise on the year prior. so really it is these numbers are not huge. and moreover , let me tell you, there moreover, let me tell you, there is a you can always find the answer that you want to get from statistics . there is a reason statistics. there is a reason that people focus on something like this is the highest raise since 2008. you know why? because in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s, people drank like fish, right? the greatest generation, the generation that won the war basically didn't stop drinking and smoking unless they were pulling a trigger. right so it is absurd sometimes how agonised we get about these things we dnnk we get about these things we drink for far less than our grandparents ever did, and in the end, drinking is enjoyable and drinking is something that helps you to relax. so it is very sad that these people have died. and of course, if someone in extremis has developed alcoholism and they need help,

then we try as a society alcoholism and they need help, th but alcohol has become. >> remember my granddad, he >> so i remember my granddad, he used to make his own wine. i was obviously dad did obviously too young. my dad did that. yeah, but i remember like a whole kind of spare bedroom was to these was just dedicated to these humongous things. was humongous glass things. it was brewing. knows what in brewing. god only knows what in there. but now , when there. sure. but now, when i think alcohol, because think about alcohol, because i drink, obviously most i think most do. but it is most people do. but it is a habit. so when i finish work and i do , i get home and then i i do, i get home and then i think, right now it's time to wind down. so i do then get a glass of wine with my dinner or whatever. but whenever i think i see advertisements drinking thing so you will thing is glamorised. so you will see. pick up any magazine or whatever. and there's this woman and she's really beautiful and she's got her glass of whatever . don't know, i don't know . and i don't know, i don't know if it getting to the point if it is getting to the point where if you've problem where if you've got a problem with because i think with alcohol because i think excessive alcohol is at the root of so many societal issues, i think domestic abuse and things like that, when you actually

trace it down, it's somebody that's got a drink problem. that's often the kernel. the catalyst what goes on in catalyst for what goes on in that home. i think of a lot of football violence and there'll be loads of people now having a go at me for being stereotype thing. but when i think of a lot of football violence, i think a lot of people, they drink too much. they can't handle libya. and you see all these and then you see all these grown, sweaty men kicking off when kids in the when there's all the kids in the stadium. i think if you ban stadium. and i think if you ban booze, i bet you'd get of booze, i bet you'd get rid of a lot of that violence as well. >> there's question about >> there's no question about that. all the nhs always that. i mean, all the nhs always say that get in a&e, they say that they get in a&e, they get people coming in after get all people coming in after having weekend having fights at the weekend from saying, well, i'd from drinking, saying, well, i'd bill charge bill them, i'd charge them. >> go out and you get >> if you go out and you get drunk and you kick off and now i need an ambulance and nana nine and you're going into a&e and you're taking up bed when you and you're going into a&e and you'reupking up bed when you and you're going into a&e and you'reup the up bed when you and you're going into a&e and you're up the next bed when you and you're going into a&e and you're up the next morning,n you and you're going into a&e and you'reup the next morning, guess sober up the next morning, guess what? i'd be waking you to what? i'd be waking you up to next toast. get bill. >> yeah, well, that may. that may be a view that attracts the sympathy amongst but we sympathy amongst viewers, but we believe free at the believe in care free at the

point use. let me just make point of use. let me just make one point from what you were saying. you were talking about football eight people football violence. eight people got stabbed at notting hill carnival, a carnival, which also say it's a wonderful celebration of culture. doesn't happen culture. that doesn't happen in a football in the a season of football in the united but we pretend united kingdom, but we pretend it happen. that is it doesn't happen. that is a very fair point. >> anyway, let me know your thoughts. do you drink too much? do got do you think we've got a problem? if so, how do we problem? and if so, how do we deal it? my heart goes out deal with it? my heart goes out as way, you talk as well. by the way, you talk about alcoholics. heart about alcoholics. my heart goes out to people have an out to people that have an alcoholic their family alcoholic in their family because knock on effects and because the knock on effects and the impact, the devastation that it wider family is it causes to the wider family is absolutely from absolutely immense. i speak from unfortunate experience, i can tell got an tell you. anyway, i got an exclusive, fascinating, exclusive, a fascinating, interesting exclusive, a fascinating, interway g you will exclusive, a fascinating, interwayg you will be your way because you will be aware ulez of course, has aware that ulez of course, has expanded today. well, the gb news editor news political editor christopher new christopher hope, our new edhon christopher hope, our new editor, to say he has editor, i have to say he has been interviewing sadiq khan at city listen what city hall. let's listen to what sadiq about ulez big sadiq has to say about ulez big khan. >> why are you expanding the ulez in greater london at the height of a cost of living crisis? >> well, the decision to expand the ultra low emission zone to

all of london was a difficult one. one, but one. it wasn't an easy one, but i think the vital decision, and it's the right one. let me tell you why now know the evidence you why we now know the evidence in relation to the consequences of air pollution, at least around 4000 premature deaths, a yeah around 4000 premature deaths, a year. at least two children have been stunted lungs forever . been stunted lungs forever. adults with a whole host of health issues from asthma to cancer to dementia to heart disease. we also now know that one of the most effective ways to reduce air pollution is with us. how do we know that in central london we've seen a reduction of around 50% of toxicity of nitrogen dioxide? also a third fewer children being admitted to hospital with air pollution related illnesses. when we expanded it to in london, we saw a further reduction of 21% in nitrogen dioxide . now children going to dioxide. now children going to 1400 schools are breathing clean air pairs. the problem in outer london is where the ten boroughs with the largest amount of premature deaths are. it's in outer london, where two thirds of londoners with respiratory

issues live. and it's in outer london, where 24 of the 30 gp practises with the worst respiratory problems are. i think clean air is a right. and just like people in central london and in london have seen your figures showing that london the tories question is figures and it's a making and say it's a money making exercise. well, let with exercise. well, let me deal with that. the experts that that. so the same experts that produced the figure that shows around 4000 premature deaths a year , the same experts that have year, the same experts that have shown ulez to be effective are used by the government. the government commissioned these experts to do work for them. and these experts told the government that between 28,000 and 36,000 people die prematurely in our country as a consequence of air pollution. these experts are good enough for the government. they're good enough city hall. for the government. they're good eno dor city hall. for the government. they're good enodo you city hall. for the government. they're good enodo you understand for the government. they're good eno do you understand the for the government. they're good enodo you understand the anger >> do you understand the anger about people living on the outside, the edge greater outside, on the edge of greater london? cross the london? they now can't cross the road drive across the road to road or drive across the road to go and get some basic services, and we're seeing some real, real frustration gb news today on frustration on gb news today on the channel. >> understand the >> i fully understand the concerns, just those in

concerns, not just those in outer but those outer london may have, but those outside london. outside of london. >> they get no help at all from your scrappage i've your scrappage scheme. well i've been those concerns. >> those people. >> for those people. i'm responsible in london. responsible for in london. so the government published an air quality requiring quality directive requiring cities to sort their cities and regions to sort their air out because consequences air out because of consequences of pollution. the government of air pollution. the government supported cities around the country and those outside cities with air zones like with clean air zones like birmingham and bristol and bath. and what i'm saying to people outside of london is your councils have spent more than £1 million taking me to court, unsuccessful. ali, why don't you work and your council to work with me and your council to lobby give lobby the government to give those home counties the those in the home counties the same sort of support? the government's given those outside birmingham, , birmingham, those out bristol, those outside bath. >> you apologise to people >> would you apologise to people who've big who've given them this big charge on getting around, going to ? they paid 1250, to work? they were paid 1250, £12, suddenly i'm always £12, 50. suddenly i'm always sorry for anybody who's suffering consequences sorry for anybody who's sufferingof consequences sorry for anybody who's sufferingof our consequences sorry for anybody who's sufferingof our policies,]uences sorry for anybody who's sufferingof our policies, but ces sorry for anybody who's sufferingof our policies, but at; because of our policies, but at the same time , i've got to be the same time, i've got to be honest with people and say i've been meeting bereaved mums who's lost their children because of air pollution .

air pollution. >> i've been meeting a paediatrician today works paediatrician today who works with pregnant, suffering with monzo pregnant, suffering the consequences because of air pollution babies are pollution and babies who are born consequences. born suffering the consequences. i've a doctor who runs i've met today a doctor who runs an asthma clinic. but also i visited great ormond street. the in—patient ward at the children's evelina hospital, and scientists held petitioners and others. that's why i'm angry that the government's letting down london and the south east is now the time. >> i mean, you say you're saying your book here breathe tackling the climate change emergency. you the going gets you you say when the going gets tough climate gets tough the climate gets forgotten. that's because forgotten. but that's because people have to pay , feed their people have to pay, feed their feed their families, and they can't afford worry can't really afford to worry about climate when it's difficult. >> let me deal that. in >> let me deal with that. in 2017, brought in the precursor 2017, i brought in the precursor to the which is the to the ulez, which is the toxicity i was told to toxicity charge. i was told to delay that because the time wasn't right. because brexit wasn't right. because of brexit and forth. in 2019, i brought and so forth. in 2019, i brought in the ulez in central london. i was told to delay it because of difficulties in central london. was told to delay it because of diffiactually1 central london. was told to delay it because of diffi actually what ral london. was told to delay it because of diffi actually what we london. was told to delay it because of diffi actually what we known. was told to delay it because of diffi actually what we know is but actually what we know is that central london ulez has led to a reduction of almost 50% of

toxic air, but also a third fewer children being admitted to hospital. imagine if we'd delayed 2021. i expanded the delayed in 2021. i expanded the ulez to the north and south circular. also, people were saying to delay. we've seen a further reduction in nitrogen dioxide by 21, but also children going to 1400 schools benefiting quite alone politically , aren't you? >> because keir starmer is worried about the impact on the on the by—election in south ruislip , aren't they so there's ruislip, aren't they so there's a concern that you're out there on your own with your, you know, with an agenda which is praiseworthy, but also might might votes next might damage votes at the next election in damaged livelihoods now? >> w- y-n >> yeah. well, let me just finish. calls to finish. so there's been calls to delay, delay, delay all delay, delay, delay, delay all four of the us four iterations of the us because we've taken action. we've seen the progress in london. but let me be quite clear in relation to the issue of delay. we know the evidence of delay. we know the evidence of consequences of air pollution. we know there's a policy that is a game changer in reducing in air pollution. i think to stand idly by would be

wrong . and i'll be quite clear wrong. and i'll be quite clear in relation to the public health benefit of our policy, but also the adverse consequences of air pollution. and by the way, if you're driving a non—compliant car, you're breathing in the toxins and reducing your life expectancy . you've got two kids expectancy. you've got two kids in the back. it's affecting them as well. so actually, this is a policy which the government should be supporting by giving us support give us financial support to give more the home counties more people in the home counties that more people in the home counties tha why do you say that >> why do you say that anti—vaxxers, covid deniers, conspiracy theories are are part of the campaign against ulez? >> to a people's >> well, i went to a people's question time ealing question time in ealing and outside question time , outside that question time, there of decent there were lots of decent londoners and outside londoners and those outside londoners and those outside london concerns around london who had concerns around the but i also saw banners the ulez. but i also saw banners and you can't deny what you see on a banner banners outside people's question time, people latching on to the genuine concerns. >> the basic concern from people, ordinary, the ordinary people, ordinary, the ordinary people who are not the and arrested. oh, listen, i've been responding since i first made the announcement. >> that is we've had >> evidence of that is we've had in after announced the scheme

in after i announced the scheme in after i announced the scheme in yean in after i announced the scheme in year, in in november last year, in january , the biggest scrappage january, the biggest scrappage scheme has ever scheme in this country has ever seen without a penny of support from the government, supporting, in particular, low income families those are families, those who are disabled, and micro disabled, charities and micro businesses than businesses to employ less than ten i'm ten people. because i'm listening to the concerns you referred to , you know, in july , referred to, you know, in july, we said every single family in london who receives child benefit more than 800,000 families receive financial families will receive financial support. because i'm listening . support. because i'm listening. i've announced a further expansion of the scheme with more financial support, £160 million. so every single million. now so every single person in london who may have a non—compliant car, motorbike van or minibus receives support. but the good news and £2,000, well , the good news and £2,000, well, here's the good news. the good news is firstly, nine out of ten car seen driving out of london are compliant. car seen driving out of london are compliant . around half of are compliant. around half of london households don't own a car. 70% of the lowest income households don't own a car. but i checked with autotrader last week. they've got about 5000 cars for sale all mrt all road tax for less than £2,000 less the week before there were 6000.

the week before that there were 5000. so there are cars available . i'm not saying, by available. i'm not saying, by the way, you've got to buy a new car or an electric car. what i'm saying is, look, if you want to be driving in london, you know, it's important to be cognisant and aware of the consequences of you driving a non—compliant car. >> the prime minister rishi sunak gets a hard time for getting helicopter around the place work in a place and you get to work in a high range rover. what is high spec range rover. what is the impact of you of or are the impact of you of ulez or are you not affected at all by it? >> well, i've come today using pubuc >> well, i've come today using public most public transport like i do most days. cycle, use public days. i walk cycle, use public transport wherever i can, but also somebody who, the also i'm somebody who, like the prime police prime minister has police protection. the protection. he rides the helicopter you for other helicopter because you for other reasons, not because he needs police protection. well, he's busy. well, so my. yeah, so, so. and by the way, so is prime minister blair and prime minister blair and prime minister and prime minister brown and prime minister brown and prime minister thatcher. see minister thatcher. i didn't see them a helicopter , you them riding a helicopter, you know, themselves like know, enjoying themselves like the prada sunak does. >> this is a precursor to a pay pay per >> this is a precursor to a pay pay per mile scheme. >> no, not at all. let me be

quite clear about about this mischief put up by the tories is , look, it's no secret that this government, the former mayor tfl and so forth, have been looking into the issue of, you know, road user charging . and there's road user charging. and there's the main reason why they've looked at smart technology is because the revenues raised from fuel goes down and so when boris johnson remember him, when boris johnson remember him, when boris johnson was mayor, his mayor's transport strategy talked about road user charging. when rishi sunak was chancellor he asked his officials in the treasury to look into a national road pricing scheme. let me be quite clear. as long as i'm mayor, there will be no and the next term as well. >> if you win in may, as long as i'm mayor, there's no pay per mile scheme. >> but what the government are looking into this for the reasons would you reasons i've said, would you apologise upheaval apologise for the upheaval caused today? caused by today? >> there's lots of concern about that out there this that out there about this extra charge work and i've charge to get to work and i've spent most of this morning with

health , paediatrician, health experts, paediatrician, a gp who works and runs a health clinic with a bereaved mum who lost a daughter directly because of air pollution and many others. >> they were tearful when they were telling me how grateful they were for the fact that after today 5 million more londoners will be breathing cleaner air. i'm going to carry on listening, though, to those londoners who've got concerns around the ultra low emission zone the evidence zone expansion and the evidence from central london ulez the from the central london ulez the inner ulez as i continue inner london ulez as i continue to review, monitor and support more london as they need it. >> and just finally, do you think one day people will thank you for this? cos even your critics today will say actually sadiq khan did a good job. critics today will say actually sacwell,an did a good job. critics today will say actually sacwell, there'si good job. critics today will say actually sacwell, there's beeni job. critics today will say actually sacwell, there's beeni onof >> well, there's been lot of people today been people today who've been thanking not critics, thanking me not just critics, the concern will they? the ones who concern will they? >> thank you. one day. >> thank you. one day. >> well, i remember mp and >> well, i remember as an mp and i in the lobby, you i know you're in the lobby, you know, in 2006, seven, when the labour banned smoking labour government banned smoking in spaces, labour government banned smoking in remember spaces, labour government banned smoking in remember the )aces, labour government banned smoking in remember the noise being you'll remember the noise being made you and now made then, you know, and now people wouldn't about people wouldn't think about reintroducing pubs.

reintroducing smoking in pubs. you history. in 1950s, you study history. in the 1950s, a brave tory government passed the clean air act, which meant power stations were removed from the centre of our cities. battersea power station. what is now the middle of now the tate in the middle of the century, the great the 19th century, the great stink sewers led to stink open sewers led to thousands of deaths by cholera people weren't grateful then to the sewers. when it comes to tackling public health, i tackling public ill health, i think got to bold think you've got to take bold action. also you action. but also when you recognise that actually between 2017 and 2026, the nhs will spend £1.6 billion treating people in hospital by 2050. that's going to be north of £10 billion. this policy will save lives and save money. >> so you can thank you. >> so you can thank you. >> well, there you go. that's sadiq khan explaining himself when it comes to why he's expanding. what we call ulez, the ultra low emission zone here in london. i've got to say, it's a huge expansion and it really has divided people. some people say, yes, this is a great health policy. other people saying it is basically using motorists as an atm atm. lots of you are

asking challenging sadiq khan about why does he declare opponents to this scheme as things like? he says then it's because it's what he's seen on banners outside when he did a people's question time. that sounds a bit weird to me. just because someone writes something on a banner that you don't like doesn't them this wedges doesn't make them a. this wedges gets converted it gets converted around, it becomes absolutely meaningless over it becomes over time when it becomes a standard insult. he also did you nofice standard insult. he also did you notice he was calling him prior to sunak? i found that a little bit pathetic as well. you're not 12. i do think you need to communicate as a grown up. a couple of things that i didn't get to. if air pollution get answers to. if air pollution isindeed get answers to. if air pollution is indeed so bad, this is the bit. and maybe just being bit. and maybe i'm just being thick, i cannot head thick, but i cannot get my head around. if air pollution so around. if air pollution is so bad, are allowed to do bad, why are you allowed to do it? as you pay for it then? >> so first of all, that's not true. i mean, he talked he talked in that interview as if he moral high ground wasn't he the moral high ground wasn't just his. he was talking from the top everest. looked the top of everest. i've looked at figures on at defra's latest figures on emissions uk and we are

emissions in the uk and we are from the 1970 level, down nine 8% on sulphur dioxide . we down 8% on sulphur dioxide. we down more than three quarters of nitrogen oxides and between the two kinds of particulate matter, which people talk about a lot, we're between those two figures, the direction of travel is clear. already going down clear. it's already going down hugely. cleaner hugely. we've never had cleaner air, particularly because, of course, our predecessors before the combustion engine were burning of stuff in burning all manner of stuff in the capital. never had the capital. so we've never had cleaner air than we now. so cleaner air than we have now. so his premise is untrue, but his second premise is untrue because he says it's not a money making exercise. if that were if that were the money from were the case, the money from finding people, which is what this thing is , money this ulez thing is, the money from people into from fining people would go into the but it the scrappage scheme. but it doesn't . it goes to transport doesn't. it goes to transport for london. all 1 billion and a half of it or whatever. >> agree with it's a >> 100% agree with you. it's a money making exercise. £2.5 million a day and he reminds me of secretary general of the un guterres who said, we're no longer in a global warming situation . we're in a global situation. we're in a global boiling situation. when people

exaggerate the dangers and there isn't a huge danger with this either way, it's not to going make a blind bit of difference. they don't want to be cynical, but he doesn't care about green issues or anything like this. it's money exercise. it's a money making exercise. when and try when people exaggerate and try and scaremongering, they actually undermine their own argument that's he's doing. >> i couldn't agree more. and to two he couldn't be two final things. he couldn't be more insulting to the people who happen to disagree with him calling keir starmer calling people. keir starmer will in hands will have his head in his hands so insulting people. they so insulting to people. they want for and the want to vote for them and the second me about the second thing for me about the way just held forth is that way he just held forth is that in the end, if it's not about the he's talking the cash that he's talking about, then you could show bit about, then you could show a bit more sympathy and empathy to the working are working class people who are going vehicles going to have their vehicles taken them. it shows going to have their vehicles take far them. it shows going to have their vehicles take far labour's them. it shows going to have their vehicles take far labour's lostn. it shows going to have their vehicles take far labour's lost theirshows how far labour's lost their roots. >> and what he's doing is he's hitting the small businesses, the the electricians. hitting the small businesses, the are the electricians. hitting the small businesses, the are heartbeattricians. hitting the small businesses, the are heartbeat of ians. hitting the small businesses, the are heartbeat of the. they are the heartbeat of the economy. they actually contribute more than big business. have to help them. business. you have to help them. you to encourage them . what you have to encourage them. what he's doing is charging them £12.50 a day from somebody who

lives to into work lives in redding to go into work in airport. it's in heathrow airport. it's absolutely he's absolutely outrageous. he's the worst ever mayor. >> he's a terrible man. and it is reason that they the is the reason that they lost the uxbndge is the reason that they lost the uxbridge by—election and starmer wants to heed it. he doesn't. you sir. >> a terrible mayor, by the >> he's a terrible mayor, by the way, been re—elected way, but he's been re—elected again. obviously, of again. so obviously, a lot of people there completely people out there completely disagree think he's disagree with you and think he's doing awesome job and doing an awesome job and back his policies. >> are entitled vote >> people are entitled to vote their wish. but let me their way. they wish. but let me give just one other telling give you just one other telling thing thought. there's thing which i thought. there's a charity car ukraine, charity called car for ukraine, which take some of the which wants to take some of the four by fours that are going to get under scheme get binned under this scheme and send the ukraine for send them to the ukraine for help. said. help. they said. >> the screen, i'm >> quickly on the screen, i'm going to show you where clean air zones currently are or they've been planned. this is not a london as not just a london thing, as i said, in london, £224 said, but in london, £224 million was raised from in million was raised from ulez in 2022. a of big questions 2022. a couple of big questions for still not answered. one, for me. still not answered. one, if is so bad, why if it pollution is so bad, why are you letting people do it as long they pay? and two, if long as they pay? and two, if you're concerned about long as they pay? and two, if yotpollution,concerned about long as they pay? and two, if yotpollution, whyerned about long as they pay? and two, if yotpollution, why aren'tabout long as they pay? and two, if yotpollution, why aren't yout air pollution, why aren't you starting nose starting right under your nose and underground and getting into the underground when you travel on that thing?

about people, about 5 million people, 5 million on the million journeys a day on the london you get

yeah good evening. >> well, i'm here in cudham. it is the furthest point from central london with the ulez cameras are being placed. there is considerable local anger. >> there is a disconnect between central london and outer london. >> but do not think this is just london. these schemes are coming to every town and city in this country. >> unless we can stop them. so join me for this live show over the course of the hour. the course of the next hour. you'll all the you'll hear all of the arguments. i will attempt to dismantle some of what i think are sadiq khan's outright lies in but first, in cold science. but first, let's get the news with tatiana sanchez.