the news with tatiana sanchez. >> nigel, thank you very much. and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom. the inquiry into how serial child killer lucy letby was able to murder seven babies will now have greater powers to compel witnesses to give evidence. ministers upgraded the independent inquiry after criticism from families of the victims that it didn't go far enough. victims that it didn't go far enough . health secretary steve enough. health secretary steve barclay says he's listened to the victims of the families and has decided a statutory inquiry led by a judge is the best way forward and respects the wishes of the families. it comes as the ministry of justice announced the power to order an offender to attend their sentencing heanng to attend their sentencing hearing under new legislation. lucy letby refused to attend her sentencing and hear the testimony of her victims families . testimony of her victims families. the prime minister says those hit by new ulez charges shouldn't expect any more financial assistance from the government. speaking to gb

news, rishi sunak said he understands the frustration felt by residents forced to pay a daily charge due to the expansion of the mayor of london's clean air scheme . he london's clean air scheme. he also urged the labour party to explain why they think it's right to go ahead with the plan. when families are struggling with the rising cost of living. >> is solely the >> this is solely the responsibility of the labour party and the labour mayor sadiq khan and keir starmer. it's for them explain why they think them to explain why they think this the right thing to do this is the right thing to do and that. i don't and they should do that. i don't think it's the right priority. people made their views people have made their views very and now it's to very clear and now it's up to them themselves and very clear and now it's up to thenthey themselves and very clear and now it's up to thenthey think themselves and very clear and now it's up to thenthey think this mselves and very clear and now it's up to thenthey think this isselves and very clear and now it's up to thenthey think this is thees and very clear and now it's up to thenthey think this is the rightj why they think this is the right thing to do. >> now, easyjet's carrying out three repatriation three days of repatriation flights an air traffic flights after an air traffic control fault left thousands of british tourists stranded abroad. the first from palma and faro are flying into london gatwick while additional flights will place tomorrow and will take place tomorrow and friday. the airlines also deploying larger aircraft on key routes to accommodate 700 more people, more than a quarter of a million holidaymakers are thought to have been affected by

the disruption . james cleverly the disruption. james cleverly has become the first foreign secretary to visit china in five years. during the visit , mr years. during the visit, mr cleverly held face to face talks with vice president han geng and told broadcasters the uk is clear eyed that china will not change overnight. he also said it's important to maintain regular dialogue as we seek to influence the country. the trip has been met with criticism from some tory mps who want a tougher stance against beijing . and stance against beijing. and finally met police commissioner sir mark rowley has welcomed government plans to ban zombie style knives. according to the home office. works underway to increase the maximum sentence for their importation and manufacture their possession and sale to two years. police will also have greater powers to tackle offenders who use them, sir mark said the weapons are doing awful damage in the capital year, with gb news across the uk. on tv, in your

car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by simply saying play smart speaker by simply saying play gb news now it's back to . play gb news now it's back to. nigel good evening. >> we now have the full figures through from the notting hill carnival. now to give it some context, a couple of million people went to the carnival over those couple of days and there would have been many who went and left early. and, you know, they might have seen a little bit of but not too much. bit of aggro, but not too much. and wherever you a large and wherever you get a large gathering of people, there is always certain always going to be a certain degree difficulty. but having degree of difficulty. but having said that, i'm afraid the figures are really pretty ugly . figures are really pretty ugly. 308 arrests in total , including 308 arrests in total, including possession of offensive weapons , in one case, a firearm assaults incredibly 75 incidents of officers being attacked , even of officers being attacked, even sexual offences taking place. and it is a litany . eight people

and it is a litany. eight people stabbed . i mean, it really is stabbed. i mean, it really is appalling . and the numbers are appalling. and the numbers are significantly worse than they were just a few years ago. and can you even imagine , can you can you even imagine, can you even imagine being a police officer and being asked as part officer and being asked as part of your duty to attend the notting hill carnival, where you're probably going to be at best mocked and at worst seriously attacked? and think about this. let's suppose somebody organised a big saint george's day parade that took place in a part of london. and let's say several hundred thousand people turned up and there was terrible behaviour . there was terrible behaviour. the drunkenness, drugs , the drunkenness, drugs, violence, sexual assaults . do violence, sexual assaults. do you honestly think that the second year of the saint george's day parade would be allowed to take place? because i seriously don't think that it would . now, there's nothing would. now, there's nothing wrong with people getting together, but maybe holding this on the streets of notting hill,

not just because of the violence that happens, but also can you imagine the fear of the residents that are living there? maybe we've reached the point where we have to say the notting hill carnival as it's currently constituted, simply can't continue. you tell me, should it continue? farage at gbviews@gbnews.com. well, i talk there with some sympathy about there with some sympathy about the police. you know, i mean police officers, rick prior, vice chairman of the metropolitan police federation , metropolitan police federation, on police officers being urinate on, spat at mock sexual assaults. i mean, it sounds like an horrendous job for a cop. >> yes. >> yes. >> nigel. and it's little wonder that my colleagues dread policing the event as you've alluded to, officers , we alluded to, officers, we represent our are assaulted. they're kicked, they're punched, they're spat at, they're sexually assaulted . in the last sexually assaulted. in the last carnival, there was six reports of officers being bitten . that

of officers being bitten. that type of behaviour is unacceptable . and i would also unacceptable. and i would also say that it's unsustainable, unsustainable. >> unsustained bill and by that you mean the carnival should not continue in its current form? >> by that i mean on every single tuesday after the notting hill , it's the same single tuesday after the notting hill, it's the same story. it's officers represent having to accept that they're turning up to this event to police it and to, you know, knowing that these type of incidents and assaults are going to take place. >> and is this and let's cut to the absolute crux of this is this elements of the black community who are just anti police , loathe police, is that police, loathe police, is that what it's about? >> well, i wouldn't like to say that. i think, you know, i think it's a small active minority of people attending the carnival who are the ringleader and

troublemakers and is why this carnival ? carnival? >> why this carnival ? i carnival? >> why this carnival? i mean, there must be there has to be some racial element to this in terms of the way a certain a certain group in the black community view the police force in i mean, let's remember the black lives matter movement was about defunding the police . i about defunding the police. i mean, i don't know whether that was an element here at notting hill, this must be a factor hill, but this must be a factor somewhere, rick, surely. >> want to >> well, i don't want to be drawn into that particular drawn into into that particular area . but what i would say is i area. but what i would say is i think that serious consideration does need to be given to hosting this this celebration at a more suitable location in which can be better policed, better security and can reduce the instances of these type of assaults and behaviour. taking place. >> that i understand tracy miller is a former gang member, but of course now an author and youth worker and we've discussed these issues. tracy on the show before , rick was rather avoiding

before, rick was rather avoiding the point that i was trying to make, but i'll be very direct with you. you always are. well, of course. s but no, i mean, look, we know now that the black lives matter movement has at its core for defunding the police a loathing of the police, is that what this is about? >> in my mind and i think a lot of people's minds, the black lives matter was because as a gentleman was killed in america and it was a case of we've had enough, let's get together. i wasn't personally myself, wasn't there personally myself, but black community, but as a black community, let's get show that there get together and show that there is amongst us. and this is unity amongst us. and this can't on. is unity amongst us. and this canwell,on. is unity amongst us. and this canwell, actually, the black >> well, actually, the black lives matter movement was supported number of supported by a huge number of white media white people and media organisation who organisation and sportsmen who didn't behind didn't understand that behind aid, the organisation it was actually this really, really , i actually this really, really, i think, very dangerous motive of defunding the police. but whether it's blm or not, none of it though, isn't it? >> sorry, it's not my perception of it. that's your perception of it. >> no, it.- >> no, no. it.— >> no, no. it's on their website. okay. it's on their website. okay. it's on their website. we can argue about

groups that are campaigning genuinely equality , and genuinely for equality, and that's and we support that that's fine and we support that . but but particular . but but this particular organisation , you know, and what organisation, you know, and what i'm trying to get to tracy , is i'm trying to get to tracy, is we can go back, goodness me, we can go back 40 years to the brixton riots where under the sus laws as they were known, elements of the black community felt they were being unfairly targeted by the police. the police in turn felt they were doing their job. >> they are. they are even to this day. you can watch footage. the black community are targeted by the police to an extent, and they're ill treated. it's a fact. so what happened at notting hill and what happens every year at notting hill? >> and i did make the point, 2 million people went right. 2 million. many people have had a fantastic time and wouldn't have seen , you violence. i get seen, you know, violence. i get that. however for, you know, the type of incidents that have happened at this carnival and others , the nature of them, it's others, the nature of them, it's pretty appalling stuff. of course , stabbings, people

course, stabbings, people running down the street carrying zombie . it's appalling. and what zombie. it's appalling. and what i'm asking you is surely this is an element of the black community who just hate the police? >> i don't think so . were there >> i don't think so. were there attacks on. okay, i heard that it was reported that there was a sexual assault. that's not good to hear. but were there active stabbings against officers? were they mobbed? were there brawls with officers? with the officers? >> them, 50 of them. >> 50 of them, 50 of them. >> 50 of them, 50 of them. >> so they were stabbed often were the floor, were pushed to the floor, urinated on about youngsters that are running through crowds with and think it's with knives. and you think it's against the police. so wouldn't police have attacked? what police have been attacked? what do you get? what do you know? >> no. >> no. >> you know, so we can't say that no police officers were. >> on, hang on. no police >> hang on, hang on. no police officers were stabbed. however, 75 assaulted. 50. seriously? >> i hear you. and like i said, it's not good. but it's not a case.i it's not good. but it's not a case. i don't think it's a case of they're there to cause trouble against the police, black youths are hurting their own black kind , like we're own black kind, like we're hurting our own. >> no , no, no.

>> no, no, no. >> know that. so let's look >> we know that. so let's look at for that. and that's what at it for that. and that's what it looks it was. it looks like. it was. >> all right, fine. tracy should the carnival its the carnival continue in its current mean, you know, current form? i mean, you know, the made, makes the point was made, rick makes the point was made, rick makes the from a policing the point from a policing perspective actually from a perspective and actually from a community, lived i community, if you lived there, i mean, goodness you'd mean, goodness me, you'd have been mean, goodness me, you'd have beecontinue. what do we >> continue. what else do we have? if we haven't got the carnival in notting hill to celebrate our culture, the canbbean celebrate our culture, the caribbean me so caribbean culture? let me so well, 2nd of september, well, on the 2nd of september, on the 2nd september, there's on the 2nd of september, there's a you that sadiq a big event, you know that sadiq khan's organised trafalgar khan's organised in trafalgar square that is a black square and that is a black event, but it's not the same. go on. it ain't the same. now, to be fair, don't usually attend be fair, i don't usually attend carnival, i did year. carnival, but i did this year. first of all, my great grandfather, leslie king, was the jamaican settler in the first jamaican settler in brixton , so it wasn't for him. brixton, so it wasn't for him. and being a guarantor for other black families to come over, we wouldn't have black people in brixton. it was a 75th year brixton. and it was a 75th year anniversary of the windrush . so anniversary of the windrush. so even when i was there , the vibe even when i was there, the vibe was nice . i was drinking not was nice. i was drinking not anything bad, but you know, the

energy . energy. >> we don't mind, you know what i mean? >> the energy was nice. >> the energy was nice. >> it was a good vibe. >> it was a good vibe. >> and the thing is, i didn't think anything violent was going to happen. call me stupid, but when i arrived, i arrived from the bayswater. there the entrance of bayswater. there were detector things. the entrance of bayswater. there were through etector things. the entrance of bayswater. there were through one.or things. the entrance of bayswater. there were through one. so hings. the entrance of bayswater. there were through one. so how;. the entrance of bayswater. there were through one. so how are went through one. so how are these youngsters getting into carnival these blades? carnival with these blades? considering carnival with these blades? cons points closed off stop points you've closed off certain roads, there's metal detectors, it could be that. detectors, but it could be that. >> it could people living in >> it could be people living in notting know, mean, notting hill. you know, i mean, there ways around the point there are ways around the point here. point this. here. the point here is this. >> we have to celebrate canbbean >> we have to celebrate caribbean culture. >> that's fine. if hill, >> that's fine. if notting hill, the place to it. the right place to do it. >> that could be looked at. yeah. >> and i think that was in a sense what rick prior was saying. >> he wasn't saying that a celebration of caribbean culture shouldn't happen, but perhaps if it happened somewhere, that was a suitable, whether a rather more suitable, whether it a park or whatever it may it was a park or whatever it may be in a more controlled environment, we might get a bit less of these of these horrendous stories. >> absolutely . we you know, >> yes, absolutely. we you know, we don't be party we don't want to be party poopers. and in a free democracy

that we live in, people have the right and people have right to protest and people have the to go their the right to go about their business. have right business. people have the right to celebrate enjoy to celebrate and enjoy themselves to and have events such as carnival put on. all that would ask is that that we would ask is that serious consideration is given to looking at a safer alternate venue whereby it can be better controlled by the police, can be safer for everybody. those who attend and also my colleagues who are policing it. >> okay. i think, you know, tracey acknowledges that that may be something we can talk about and debate. tracey, i made the point earlier that if there was saint george's day parade was a saint george's day parade that people and that was 95% white people and there eight stabbings, they there were eight stabbings, they wouldn't in next wouldn't allow it in the next yean wouldn't allow it in the next year, would they? wouldn't allow it in the next yeas0/ould they? wouldn't allow it in the next yeas0/ould th you think they >> so why do you think they wouldn't allow it? >> you told me, oh, because we've got this we've got this situation in britain where we're fearful that fearful of doing anything that may to be racist. may be perceived to be racist. >> you think the >> why do you think that the carnival allowed to carnival has been allowed to carry then? carry on then? >> i think that the police are and the government scared of and the government are scared of that. if they act against it, it'll be seen be racism and

it'll be seen to be racism and it'll be seen to be racism and it will antagonise some of the black we have black community. then we have officers black youths officers killing black youths via gunshots . via gunshots. >> that's way worse where brixton hill, a gentleman was shot in the head in his car. yeah. so there's things that happen that are like, oh my god, that particular gentleman there we can't put it down to that particular gentleman. >> the carnival, then that's going particular going to be the particular gentleman necessarily gentleman wasn't necessarily up to the time that it to much good at the time that it happened. >> and it doesn't you know, that have we have. >> well, where's evidence? >> well, where's the evidence? well one well you know, that's one incident. know, we're incident. you know, we're talking on very talking about policing on a very large one example. large scale. just one example. how can we okay, how do we mend? can we okay, here's the real, real key question, tracy, for you, who understands this very understands this issue very well, it hugely. and well, cares about it hugely. and listen, we how do listen, how do we mend? how do we relations between the we mend relations between the police the black community? police and the black community? >> like i said, the black people get it hard when it comes to police, even just being stop and search. we've spoken about stop and search before. i understand it happens. i'm not saying it shouldn't yes, are shouldn't happen. yes, there are youngsters walking with youngsters walking around with knives and they shouldn't have

knives. have knives. they shouldn't have guns. but it's the way it's done. you guys need to bridge that gap. you not you, not me. >> the middle of this, >> i'm in the middle of this, but go to rick in a but i've got to go to rick in a moment. i promise you, rick, as an officer, it's for your team to sit down and decide how you're going to do that. to sit down and decide how youi've|oing to do that. to sit down and decide how youi've mentioned that. before. >> i've mentioned biases before. conscious, unconscious biases. people. viewers people. i've read your viewers comments. i'm comments. they think i'm bringing not about bringing race. it's not about the card for me. i've the race card for me. i've already with black we've already with black people, we've already with black people, we've already ancestors already lost their our ancestors were i sit here next to were slaves. i sit here next to you as holden, a lady that doesn't look like original african. up. doesn't look like original afriwe're up. doesn't look like original afriwe're sitting up. doesn't look like original afriwe're sitting here. 2023. >> we're sitting here in 2023. all right? sitting here all right? we're sitting here in 2023. you've heard this 2023. rick, you've heard this story a thousand times. yeah you've heard this story a thousand times. and you can hear it here in america, too. perhaps with justification. but can with more justification. but can we mend this ? we mend this? >> listen, i think we've come on leaps and bounds to be to be honest . well, i've got 28 odd honest. well, i've got 28 odd years in the metropolitan police service, and i think the way that we look at policing communities now has improved

leaps and bounds to what it was when i first joined. and we've we've we've drastically increased the diversity of our workforce in terms of representation and i think that's that's an important thing for them to have done. and so you know it's always improving in that in that matter. thank you to both of you. >> it's a debate, i suspect that we'll be having it exactly the same time this time next year. i hope.i same time this time next year. i hope. i hope i hope we don't. in a moment at a different issue. but it is about the law. it's about really quite big law breaking that is going on on the outskirts london. and it is outskirts of london. and it is ulez cameras being damaged , ulez cameras being damaged, being taken there is a being taken down. there is a full revolt it may well full scale revolt on it may well be the biggest one we've seen since tax riots, 30 since the poll. tax riots, 30 years ago in a moment, we'll talk all things ulez

listening to gb news radio. >> so should the notting hill carnival continue as is ? well, carnival continue as is? well, ryan says to me it should be scrapped immediately. the so

called carnival has become nothing more than an excuse for crooks and gangs to run riot us ryan also , let's be fair. a lot ryan also, let's be fair. a lot of people do go and have a good time and don't break the law. robert says carnival should be terminated in its current format. put it in a park, not on the streets of london. and paul says the notting hill carnival should continue, but there needs to be an appropriate deterrent . to be an appropriate deterrent. and i think that robert's right. and i think that robert's right. and i think actually there was some agreement on both sides of that debate before the that spirited debate before the break that actually let's hold it somewhere differently. let's hold it in a park somewhere that's a little bit more of a control and environment . now, control and environment. now, yesterday , as i was travelling yesterday, as i was travelling through south london and by the way, i was a long way away from the boundary , i don't think the the boundary, i don't think the ulez extension is just for people coming in and out of the outskirts of london. no, it's for those that live within it. so if your car is not compliant and you drive round the corner to get a newspaper, it'll be

£12.50, and here i was in south london yesterday watching the cameras being assembled. now it seems to me there must be huge numbers of people involved in this because it's something like 2800 ulez extension cameras are going up, but of course, they're being attacked at the most extra ordinary rate. we saw yesterday. cameras like this are in orpington that have been spray painted. a lot of cameras on big main roads. that has happened to and on some other roads. fairly extraordinary . what appears to extraordinary. what appears to have happened is they're actually being cut down. this one has been cut off at the base and they've got concrete in it. i mean, it is pretty extraordinary stuff. we did our live show from cudham last night. the furthest point from central london that has these ulez cameras . and i think the ulez cameras. and i think the real upset and anger in the audience was palpable . as i say,

audience was palpable. as i say, perhaps it's the nearest thing i've seen to the anger that many felt over the poll tax going way back to 1990. now, i was told in my first week as a member of the european parliament back in 1999 that lawmakers must not be law breakers. and i've never , ever breakers. and i've never, ever forgotten that you cannot, as a lawmaker , it seems to me, lawmaker, it seems to me, advocate that breaking the law and yet and this was astonishing, i thought the former conservative party leader, iain duncan smith, said that he was happy for the residents of chingford and woodford green constituency to vandalise devices because they had been lied to. he said a lot of people in my constituency have been spending up the cameras or putting plastic bags over them. i'm happy for them to do because they are facing an do it because they are facing an imposition no one wants and imposition that no one wants and they been to about the they have been lied to about the actions you are seeing how actions you are seeing show how angry people are at what is being imposed on them. sadiq khan gerrymandered all the

khan has gerrymandered all the information people have had enough. information people have had enough . well, i'll tell you enough. well, i'll tell you what, people have had enough , what, people have had enough, but it's a big surprise when a former leader of the conservative party says breaking the law in my constituency is okay. it shows the level of anger. okay. it shows the level of anger . ian okay. it shows the level of anger. ian taylor is director of the alliance of british drivers . and ian, you were with us last night with that crowd. i was in culham. you've been a campaigner on motoring issues for many , on motoring issues for many, many years. and there are lots of contentious issues around driving that get us very heated, have you ever seen anything like this? >> no. they were pretty worked up, i have to say. and they made it very clear and possibly with reason. i i was surprised to hear about ian duncan smith day. that was i it puts me in a slightly awkward position because i have always and indeed so as my organisation said, that

we will not actually tell people to break the law. yeah, we condone it. >> and yet a senior british politician today has done that. >> well, yes . now, obviously we >> well, yes. now, obviously we all have little private thoughts of our own on this and there's a part of us that doesn't blame them because we realise they've been to it . hopefully see been driven to it. hopefully see the fact that this vandalism has taken place because we had similar things with some speed cameras years. >> we did as well. >> we did as well. >> we did , but hopefully it >> we did, but hopefully it might get home to the mayor and his people just what the strength of feeling is and make them have second thoughts. i think they think it's plain sailing because they won their legal challenge . yes, that was legal challenge. yes, that was the five councils, wasn't it? >> yeah. took the challenge and then the government could have challenged them under article 143 of the greater london act, but chose not to. so is the legal route now finished ? legal route now finished? >> well, i fear it may be, but

possibly not, because there is another a second legal challenge. and this one not from councils but from private individuals . it has been individuals. it has been accepted as worth hearing. what the result will be, who knows? and it will take a while. meanwhile, the zones and this is over. >> oven >> and this is over. the signage, isn't it? this is over. the signage. i mean, really interesting. really interesting that a case was won just the other day and i guess if it can be really proved that the fact there are no signs coming into there are no signs coming into the ulez zone because the councils outside won't cooperate and the signs in and the signs inside the zone don't actually tell you what it's to going be, that we could get a lot of fines that we could get a lot of fines that are knocked back. but ultimately they could just change the signs, couldn't they? >> well, yeah, there are signs in a few places because they have gone up on national highways, roads, strategic roads . also. the second challenge, i think it is to do with

consultation procedure as well. okay. he he he didn't quite do as he should have done. well, we'll have to wait and see on that, though. >> but you know, when i look at it, we've got 20 mile an hour zones , which may be fine at zones, which may be fine at school time , but strike me as school time, but strike me as being absolutely crackers at 2:00 in the morning on the embankment , 2:00 in the morning on the embankment, who hires a lollipop lady 24 over seven? i mean, all of that. wales about to introduce 20 mile an hour zones introduce 20 mile an hour zones in pretty much every town village across the whole of wales. low traffic neighbourhoods where local councils just literally, just, just block off the end of roads. here's an idea for ulez right? ulez were told is to stop certain nitrous oxide particulate problems, emissions going into the atmosphere. but any car over three years old has to have an mot. yes, every single year. so why not? why not just just say there is a

standard that cars have to pass and if they pass it at mot, it doesn't matter whether they're five years old or 25 years old. wouldn't that solve the problem? >> i think it would because that should give you if you pass rmt the right to drive your vehicle on the public road, not any pubuc on the public road, not any public road, except what a local mayor decide. you shouldn't. >> well, yeah. >> well, yeah. >> no, that's a very good point actually, isn't it funny with devolution bringing power closer to the people? but the mayor of london is making decisions that affect huge numbers of people that don't even live in greater london. >> well, that is devolution is a two edged sword. it brings accountability, local. but accountability, more local. but at the same time it creates more bureaucracy that wants to justify its existence as they bnng. bring. >> it affects people outside the zone. >> and of course, the more the more administrations you have, the more it costs either feeling i >> -- >> ian and i have a feeling for the allowance of british drivers that the issue of motoring is going to be very, very big at

the next general election. this story is not going away. thank you . you. >> we hope so. >> we hope so. >> no, i think that probably is okay. thank you. and there we are, it's dead simple. are, folks, it's dead simple. if you want to improve air quality in greater london, mayor khan , in greater london, mayor khan, you do it through the annual mod and there you have a standard , and there you have a standard, and there you have a standard, an emissions standard that every car has to meet just to say that because your diesel car is over ten years old, that you have to pay ten years old, that you have to pay £12.50 a day has nothing to do with the environment whatsoever. it's all about tax and control. and i'd love the mayor's office, please to respond to this. i'll put this question in writing to them and let's see what the response is. now, for the first time in five years, a british foreign secretary gone out secretary cleverly has gone out to to meet the big bosses. to china to meet the big bosses. in a moment , to china to meet the big bosses. in a moment, we'll find out, is he really there to ask the right questions or is he simply kowtowing to a horrible , brutal kowtowing to a horrible, brutal

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>> well, a couple of months ago, the america secretary of state went to beijing to meet the chinese bosses. and here we are, i think, rather following in the footsteps of the american, but yet , james cleverly, foreign yet, james cleverly, our foreign secretary, has been in beijing today meeting his counterpart. and it's the first time in five years that we've been there in beijing. now there's been plenty of debate about this and debate within the conservative party. many people who think it's absolutely right and proper that you always keep talking to people , even if you disagree people, even if you disagree with them . and that, of course, with them. and that, of course, there are considerable trade . there are considerable trade. and financial interests between the two of us, others. it's that sir ian duncan smith again, he really is really is in the news a bit these days, leading the charge , saying, well, basically charge, saying, well, basically this is simply appeasement of the regime. now cleverly has said that he raised directly the

issues of the 1 million we are muslims who are effectively being held in detention that he raised various human rights issues and indeed that he raised the question of hong kong . i the question of hong kong. i wonder how much taiwan was actually discussed, because i'm quite fearful for what might happen there next year. but it is to hong kong that i think we have to look just to raise a concern about hong kong , given concern about hong kong, given that the chinese government have broken every agreement with us strikes me as frankly not being quite good enough. benedict rodgers is ceo and co—founder of hong kong watch and a friend of this program. benedict first off, can you really work out what british government policy towards china is? >> no , i think it's an extremely >> no, i think it's an extremely confusing position. it's sending out a lot of mixed messages . i out a lot of mixed messages. i mean, james cleverly, on the one handis mean, james cleverly, on the one hand is saying some of the right

things on human rights issues. the question is to what extent in what depth. but on the other hand, he talked today about having a i think his words were a sensible, pragmatic, working relationship. how can you have that relationship with a with a regime that's committing genocide? >> well, i mean, what he says he raised the issues as it feels a little bit like, well, i've ticked that i've raised ticked that box. i've raised that. let's forget about that and then talk about yes and then talk about money. yes is how it feels to me. is rather how it feels to me. >> absolutely. and in relation is rather how it feels to me. >> hong lutely. and in relation is rather how it feels to me. >> hong kong, and in relation is rather how it feels to me. >> hong kong, youi in relation is rather how it feels to me. >> hong kong, you know, ation is rather how it feels to me. >> hong kong, you know, let's to hong kong, you know, let's remember, this is a regime that has completely broken and trashed treaty. trashed an international treaty. would just briefly remind gb would you just briefly remind gb news viewers and listeners what the agreement was? absolute so in 1984, margaret thatcher signed the sino—british joint declaration with her counterpart. at the time , which counterpart. at the time, which was to pave the way for the handover of hong kong. and in that agreement, deng xiaoping had come up with the concept of one country, two systems. so the idea that after the handover,

china would have sovereignty , china would have sovereignty, but hong kong would have a very high degree of autonomy. and crucially , its basic way of life crucially, its basic way of life , its basic freedoms as one of the most open, freest cities in asia would be guaranteed for at least 50 years from the time of the handover. and here we are halfway through that that 50 year and all freedoms year period. and all freedoms have been completely dismantled in hong kong. >> so they've broken their word, they've broken their treaty agreement . do we really get agreement. do we really get upset about this as a british government or do we just say, no, it's no problem, we'll just say the 3 million british overseas nationals . if you've overseas nationals. if you've had enough, just come and live here. >> well, i would give the british government credit for that bno policy because i think that bno policy because i think that has offered a lifeline to those who need to get out. >> and hong kong watch advocated for but we mustn't for that policy. but we mustn't let british government get let the british government get away thinking that's away with thinking that that's all they should all they need to do. they should be, example, has be, for example, the us has placed sanctions in response to what's happened in kong . what's happened in hong kong. we've and we've done nothing. and crucially we and this, i think,

would be a particular interest to you . hsbc has frozen the bank to you. hsbc has frozen the bank accounts of a number of pro—democracy activists and political parties in hong kong. i know you've had a similar challenge and also some of the major pension fund providers have denied side hong kongers who are leaving hong kong access to their hard earned pension savings on the instruction of the hong kong authorities. yeah >> so what what would what would you want the british home secretary to do? benedict well, i would have wanted him to take a much more. >> i don't object necessarily to him going because i do agree that you can't just ignore one of the world's major superpowers . so the question is not do we engage?ifs . so the question is not do we engage? it's how to engage in what way and at what time. i question the timing of the visit coming just a month or so after eight exiled hong kong activists, three of whom live in this country , we were issued

this country, we were issued with an arrest warrants and bounfies with an arrest warrants and bounties by the hong kong government. but nevertheless , i government. but nevertheless, i think if he was going to go, he should have been much more robust. he shouldn't have talked about a sensible, pragmatic working relationship. he should have you to honour have said, you need to honour your and this a prime your and this under a prime minister who you know, when he campaigned the campaigned to be leader of the conservative party, made it clear china was threat. clear that china was a threat. >> he doesn't use that word anymore, does he? >> doesn't. i think it's >> he doesn't. i think it's actually banned within the foreign office. >> i've heard i think it is to benedict as ever, thank you for coming in. >> and it's just reminder, >> and it's just a reminder, folks, this was a solemn folks, that this was a solemn agreement us and the agreement between us and the chinese . and 2047, it was chinese. and until 2047, it was supposed to have in hong kong a great degree of autonomy. we it has completely and utterly gone. now, the what the farage moment you saw last week, i showed you a clip of vivek ramaswamy at the iowa state fair and there he was on stage and he was rapping away. something apparently that he's really rather fond of and doing eminem songs as well. there's always a great danger

with any political figure to advocate for a record, to advocate for a record, to advocate for a band, because invariably the band comes back and says , this isn't good and says, this isn't good enough. and eminem's lawyers have been in touch with mr ramaswami saying, cease and desist, please do not do this again . under threat of legal again. under threat of legal action. and, you know, i have to say, it's happened to me. i remember choosing a piece of music for a party conference and then the band disown you and it's all over the guardian, the daily mirror, and there we are. now, as you know, this channel is very of the fact that is very proud of the fact that we've managed to a quarter we've managed to take a quarter of million signatures to of a million signatures to number downing the number 11 downing street the other say don't kill other week to say don't kill cash and we did get to be fair, we did get from the chancellor a pretty strong support and a message sent to the fca to say to the banks, people must have access to their cash . but gb access to their cash. but gb news is political editor. chris hope spoke to pm sunak today.

have a listen to this. >> what campaign at gb news that there should be a legal right to access cash in shops? do you support it? >> actually, while i was chancellor i put in place laws which have now passed which ensure that people do have access because i access to cash, because i understand important it is. understand how important it is. of transitioning understand how important it is. of using transitioning understand how important it is. of using more transitioning understand how important it is. of using more electronicng understand how important it is. of using more electronic money and using more electronic money and using more electronic money and doing more things online. but is important people, but cash is important to people, particularly in rural communities like the one i represent. the new laws that we've passed ensure we've now passed will ensure that than that people are not more than three away from having three miles away from having access to cash. the regulator, the will have new powers to the fca, will have new powers to fine or compel banks to provide those services to people because we important they are. we know how important they are. that's we passed new law that's why we passed a new law to sure that though, to make sure that shops, though, have pay for things have a right to pay for things in shops, not just banks, but in shops. i think that people should access cash. it's should have access to cash. it's a for the a different thing for the government start on government to start imposing on individual businesses how they should their business. should do their business. i don't think that's appropriate. but do is regulate don't think that's appropriate. but financial do is regulate don't think that's appropriate. but financial servicess regulate don't think that's appropriate. but financial services industrye the financial services industry so do have access to cash

themselves. >> oh, bravo. well done, prime minister. can have access minister. so we can have access to there's just no to cash. there's just no guarantee we can actually spend it, you're saying it, because what you're saying is don't necessarily think is you don't necessarily think that shops or pubs anywhere that shops or pubs or anywhere else should be obliged to take cash. what blooming use is it if you can get money out of the hole in the wall and you're not actually allowed it, actually allowed to spend it, maybe that's because the prime minister is going full speed ahead from 2030 for us to have the introduction of a central bank digital currency. yes, we'll even we'll actually resemble communist china if we go down that route. in a moment, travel chaos far worse than the initial predictions of delays of 12 hours. some people delayed for a week or more, perhaps in some cases even 12 days. and there's no compensation. in a moment , there's no compensation. in a moment, we'll find out why

so, martin rolfe, who is the

boss of the national air traffic services, has told us today that if it happens again, if a major glitch happens again in the systems for aircraft taking off and landing, we can resolve it very, very quickly. so that's all right then. nothing to worry about at all. our digital world working beautifully . well, working beautifully. well, initially, we were told there'd be delays of hours, but there are some very, very serious delays out there. days even more than a week. i've even heard stories of up to 12 days. and one of those people inconvenienced is gary taylor, company director for stranded in las palmas on grand canaria. gary just tell us your story briefly, please , as . the signals briefly, please, as. the signals go on, i can't hear. >> oh, i can hear you right. >> oh, i can hear you right. >> we'll go we'll get back to gary. but joining me in the studio is always the risk of doing things down the line, martin sumners is executive director of the association of independent tour operators. so

absolute blooming chaos this week . week. >> absolutely. absolutely >> absolutely. absolutely >> is this the worst we've known it ? it? >> is it the worst? we've known it? i don't think so. i mean, i think you've only got to look at sort of historically key travel has goes from one crisis to another. so that's just the industry you're in. yeah i mean, i think, you know, you've had you've had ash cloud, you've had sars , you've had the pandemic , sars, you've had the pandemic, and now we're back with with an atc glitch . but more recently, atc glitch. but more recently, we've also had other other glitches where the ba system has gone down. >> other countries have problems with their national air traffic control systems. and the way that we do so . that we do so. >> so i can't comment on on on the way on the way other countries work. but i know that. i know. i know france, which is obviously the closest country to us do, does have, you us do, does tend to have, you know, sort of similar problems. but tends to around but there's tends to be around probably around strikes probably more around strikes than this. probably more around strikes tha now, this. probably more around strikes tha now, the s. probably more around strikes tha now, the interesting thing is

>> now, the interesting thing is there are people out there who are stranded who have incurring extra hotel costs, who's cars parked at airports , will incur parked at airports, will incur extra charges , self employed extra charges, self employed people who can't go back to work and earn any money. there will be some significant financial losses for some individuals out of all of this. and yet we're told that because these are extra ordinary circumstances , extra ordinary circumstances, there's going to be no compensation. why how? martin, please explain . please explain. >> so extraordinary circumstances is normally is normally a catch all to hide behind and to hide behind responsible city. now, there are there's two areas that you can look at. obviously having travel insurance is absolutely critical. nobody should ever go away without ever having any travel insurance . and i think travel insurance. and i think one of the important things there to highlight is that also is we can't allow the is that we can't allow the insurers to hide behind extraordinary circumstances and say that they're not going. they're not actually going to

pay they're not actually going to pay compensation. they're not actually going to payso compensation. they're not actually going to payso if compensation. they're not actually going to payso if people npensation. they're not actually going to payso if people havesation. they're not actually going to payso if people have got»n. they're not actually going to payso if people have got the >> so if people have got the right level of travel insurance , they should be okay. >> well, would i would i would >> well, i would i would i would hope depending on depending on the because the policy. but because because it extraordinary it is extraordinary circumstances. there's circumstances. you know, there's normally an element that they will and they will try and will try and they will try and wiggle now but but wiggle out of. now but but i think there is there is an opportunity solution here. opportunity for a solution here. we have been we have been trying to communicate with government departments to suggest that what we need said for to , travel you we need said for to, travel you know, to be able to sort of deliver refunds and compensation is to have a £1 levy per seat for every for every traveller that goes in and out of the country. now, if you think of if you think of airlines , there's you think of airlines, there's 3—3, 300 million. yeah so the seats so the £1 levy would would be there for the rainy day when things go wrong. yeah and so, so that's that's exactly what i mean. >> interesting. martin stay with

me. i'm going to attempt to go back to gary taylor. the company director is stranded in las palmas on gran canaria . and palmas on gran canaria. and gary, back with you . tell us gary, back with you. tell us what happened to you and how bad is and how difficult is your situation in. >> well, we arrived at the airport waiting to board our flight. as usual. it was airport waiting to board our flight. as usual . it was delayed flight. as usual. it was delayed initially for one hour, then two hours, then three hours. then they said we've got to go downstairs as just absolute chaos. there was just hundreds of people not knowing who to turn to . complete bedlam . a lady turn to. complete bedlam. a lady then came out and said, we've got to go and collect our bags. we got our baggage, and we was very quickly hustled onto a bus and brought to a very poor travel really . travel lodge, really. >> and how long are you i mean, how long are you stuck there for, gary? >> well, initially we were supposed to fly home on monday and we was offered a replacement flight the following monday. so seven days, goodness me.

>> and i suppose what you could say that there are worse places to be stranded than gran canaria i >> -- >> well , >> well, you'd say that, but there i would really rather be at home. i've had my holiday. i've got no clean clothes. very little money left, you know . little money left, you know. what are we supposed to do ? what are we supposed to do? >> yeah. and have you had a look at your travel insurance to see how much of this extra cost that you incur you're going to get back ? back? >> well, we've spoken to the rep for the company that we flew out here with, and they've assured us that any out—of—pocket expenses will be covered and any reasonable expenses . obviously reasonable expenses. obviously >> okay. so you're actually potentially i'm just thinking about this. martin sumners , it about this. martin sumners, it sounds like gary is perhaps in a better position than many others. >> well, and i would say the reason that gary is in a good position is because he's actually booked through a tour operator and no doubt through a travel agent because as any customer that operates

independently, there , independently, there, responsible for all of their own costs, whereas a tour operator is there to help you through all the through whatever challenges that you might have, and therefore , i can see that that therefore, i can see that that that seems to be what's happening now. that's interesting what's happening with gary is stuck till next >> so gary is stuck till next monday, that right? monday, is that right? >> well, luckily we've managed to slightly earlier flight to get a slightly earlier flight on friday, but we've got to go via barcelona and we land in barcelona at 8 pm. and our flight back to gatwick is not until 7 pm. the next morning, sorry, 7 am. the next morning and the next morning. >> yeah. what a complete and utter bore. gary, you're one of many stuck this position , but many stuck in this position, but thank for coming on and thank you for coming on and sharing story with us. sharing that story with us. martin you know , going back martin you know, going back a few years before the internet took over our lives, we would go down to the high street. we'd go to a travel agent. we'd sit down with somebody, have a cup of tea, get some advice on a houday tea, get some advice on a holiday where we go. they'd book it for and we understood

it for us. and we understood that. there are still, that. and there are still, of course, operators course, tours, operators and travel there today, travel agents out there today, but i suspect we use them . i but i suspect we use them. i still do use one. i have to say , but i suspect we use them less than we used to because we simply go online and book all our own tickets and our own hotels. are you saying we should still use these operators? >> i'm most definitely saying that definitely still that we should definitely still use because at the use operator us because at the end the they are they are end of the day they are they are there offer and support there to offer help and support when it . they can also when you need it. they can also offer expert advice that you wouldn't be able to anywhere wouldn't be able to get anywhere else. i know there's all else. i mean, i know there's all sorts of talk about al being able formulate various able to formulate various different great ideas for holidays , but at the end of the holidays, but at the end of the day, you will never get the same advice that you can get from an expert that has visited a destination . destination. >> and if i go to a tour operator or a travel agent and i book a holiday, is it much more expensive by going through an agent ? agent? >> no, no, it isn't , because at >> no, no, it isn't, because at the end of the day, they are providing additional value that you can't get at and the backup

service that you will need all the way, all the way through your holiday. they are there come as we've seen rain or rain or shine, that if somebody if somebody rings at 11:00 at night, there will be somebody through an emergency phone that will pick that call up, whereas you will not get that through a soulless internet internet system. >> and would that include , ed, >> and would that include, ed, advice on the right travel insurance to get. yes it would do well , whether it's right, do well, whether it's right, martin, that i've allowed you to do this most extraordinary adverts for every tour operator andifs adverts for every tour operator and it's and agent in the country i don't know. but i have to say it seems to make the most enormous amount of sense to me now. i wonder, jacob rees—mogg , now. i wonder, jacob rees—mogg, who's a man who understands money and these what? jacob it sort of seemed to make sense that, didn't it, that book that, didn't it, that you book through an and you've got through an agent and you've got a bit more protection. >> and in a lot of cases, agents don't charge any they don't charge you any extra. they get commission paid out the

get a commission paid out of the same you would be same fee that you would be paying same fee that you would be paying anyway. so people have to make a decision as to whether they're going absolutely the they're going for absolutely the lowest cheapest, lowest cost, the cheapest, and taking themselves taking the risk for themselves and flying with ryanair, or whether they to pay whether they want to pay a little bit and some little bit more and have some extra protections . and that's extra protections. and that's a choice for consumers. and i'm strongly favour of consumer choice. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> people take the risk >> and then people take the risk and face consequences according to their choice. >> what have you got >> jacob, what have you got coming up the show this evening? >> well, we're going to be starting the of starting on the church of england we're longer england saying we're no longer a christian country. i know because i think this is so defeatist that our whole history is a christian one. >> but of course, the roman catholic, you love it in a way, don't you? >> because i like the because the coffee's collapsing and people you. the people are defecting to you. the return lady's diary. but return of our lady's diary. but that's what i'm that's not particularly what i'm going to be talking about. but i think we need to look at our history and understand that so much our our much of our law, our constitution, is actually brexit is in relation to our strong christian heritage, underpinning our constitution .

our constitution. >> john jacob i have to say , it >> john jacob i have to say, it does seem to me that the church of england are established. church many is almost church in many ways is almost given on. it's very own given up on. it's very own existence, badly led, and as we well know, the fish rots from the head down. i'm not a welby fan, then i think you knew fan, but then i think you knew that anyway. viewers let's have a weather has a look at what the weather has got for us. got in store for us. >> is rising boxt solar >> the is rising boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello, it's aidan mcgivern here with the latest forecast from the met office here at gb news. clear at first over the next 24 hours, clouds, then increase, rain spreading up from the southwest for many of us later on. we've got a gap in between weather systems for the time being, low pressure pushing into the north sea, but the next low is on the way, bringing a series weather fronts series of weather fronts that will particularly affect northern wales the northern ireland, wales and the south—west the south—west by the end of the night. already the are night. already the clouds are thickening areas thickening across western areas through the evening and overnight. spells for overnight. clear spells for scotland, central and eastern

england at first and actually quite a fresh feel here first thing thursday with temperatures widely in the single figures not quite so fresh further west where we've got the cloud keeping things a bit milder and we've the moving we've also got the rain moving in first thing, some heavier pulses across parts of northern ireland the morning as ireland during the morning as well and well as wales and the south—west. that slowly south—west. that rain slowly pushes rest of wales, pushes into the rest of wales, the midlands, south—east england, it largely avoids england, but it largely avoids scotland where we just see 1 or 2 light showers in the afternoon. likewise for the north and northeast of england and where we do get and feeling warm where we do get some sunshine coming through, feeling cool feeling disappointingly cool across the central slice of the uk 1617 where we've got the outbreaks of rain, further rain to come across northern england into parts of north wales, northern ireland during friday morning. heavy showers clear the south—east, but further downpours are likely into the afternoon. then the weather settles down this weekend. high pressure builds plenty of warm sunshine . the temperatures sunshine. the temperatures rising by next.

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