next so the big story of the day is labour saying up to 120,000 people have died in the last year on nhs waiting lists. >> is this all the fault of the government or with many of them, have died.7 anyway, we'll debate that. where to put all these young men crossing the english channel? well, now in huddersfield, are being huddersfield, students are being kicked of halls of kicked out of halls of residence. we'll go live to huddersfield . and joining me on huddersfield. and joining me on talking pints well, he was a banken talking pints well, he was a banker. he was a politician in a renowned thatcherite and right winger, sir gerald howarth will join me on talking pints but before all of that, let's get monnieres with tatiana sanchez . monnieres with tatiana sanchez. >> nigel, thank you very much and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom around 121,000 patients died while

waiting for nhs treatment in england last year. that's to according figures obtained by labour gathered from nhs trusts. it suggests . 7.6 million people it suggests. 7.6 million people were still on waiting lists at the end of june, up from 7.5 million in may. the government says cutting waiting lists is one of its key priorities as junior doctors and consultants will be taking joint strike action in england for the first time across september. and october. they'll walk out for four days in their long running disputes over pay. the british medical association says consultants will strike on september 19th and 20th, with junior doctors also walking out on september the 20th, followed by strikes on the 21st and 22nd, both consulting and junior doctors will strike again on october 2nd, third and fourth. emergency care will continue to be provided . schools in england. be provided. schools in england. mr immediately shut buildings made with a type of concrete that's prone to collapse until

safety measures are in place. some schools will have to relocate children to other teaching spaces. more than 100 schools are being contacted before the start of the new term . the association of school and college leaders claims the government knew about the dangers in 2018 and has been too slow to respond. but education secretary gillian keegan says the government is keeping on top of doing all it can to deal with the issue . the issue. >> if it's in a place that is causing concern, you know, sometimes it can be in a part of the building that's, you know, doesn't have children in it, etcetera. so we have been going in great detail and we're taking a very cautious approach. much, much more involved we would a very cautious approach. much, much nbee involved we would a very cautious approach. much, much nbe because! we would a very cautious approach. much, much nbe because the we would usually be because the responsible have responsible building owners have their plans. but we are on their own plans. but we are on top that . the department is top of that. the department is playing a bigger role to try and make that we just support make sure that we just support those schools that have and mitigate and minimise the disruption children as soon disruption to children as soon as . as possible. >> grant shapps has been appointed as the new defence secretary following the

resignation of ben wallace after four years in the job. he says he wants to explore different opportunities and spend more time with his family. in his resignation letter, mr wallace says the ministry of defence is back on the path to being once again world class education minister claire coutinho takes over as energy and net zero secretary, replacing shapps as and finally police officers will be automatically dismissed if they're found guilty of misconduct under the new government plans , senior government plans, senior officers will have more powers to sack rogue staff and be able to sack rogue staff and be able to dismiss those who fail. vetting checks. the government says the changes could be implemented as soon as next spring. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to . nigel now it's back to. nigel >> good evening. well it's always been a huge issue in

british politics. it is, of course, the national health service, which matters to each and every single one of us. and there can be no doubt that over there can be no doubt that over the last couple of years there have been increasing doubts about the and way in about the system and the way in which works . and rising which it works. and rising waiting suggest, waiting lists, i would suggest, are virtually at the top of that queue. now the pm rishi sunak, one of his key five pledges, is to reduce nhs waiting lists, but that's not to going well because there are currently 7.6 million people who are waiting for some form of nhs procedure. now the labour party perfectly cleverly putting in freedom of information requests . they have information requests. they have released today that at 121,000 people have died and whilst they were on the nhs waiting lists and not treated within the specified time of 18 weeks politically be very clever. let's listen to senior labour politician , an emily thornberry i >> -- >> the -_ >> the nhs constitution says that you have a right to see a

doctor within 18 weeks and that isn't happening and people are dying in pain and fear. hope that there's going to be help coming and that help doesn't come now. now the nhs was not behaving like this when there was a labour government. i'm sorry to say this, but it is the truth. over the last 13 years we have seen the way in which the nhs has been diminished under this conservative government and they have no plan for doing anything about it . anything about it. >> well, forgive me for having a touch of deja but it begins touch of deja vu, but it begins touch of deja vu, but it begins to feel a bit like 1997. yes, of course the tories have been in for 18 years. yes, of course there was back to basics and all there was back to basics and all the sleaze, but actually i think the sleaze, but actually i think the biggest, the biggest factor that got blair that massive majority back in 97 was that people trusted labour far more to run the nhs than they did the conservative party. and that's the game that labour are playing right now. are they sincere in

what they say? is it fair to put this death toll on on waiting times on the conservative party? but above all, would labour do better? please give me your thoughts. farage at gbnews.com. now i'm joined by roy lilly, former nhs trust chairman roy , former nhs trust chairman roy, there is no doubt that these continual increases in nhs waiting times for procedures, some very small, some very big, it's a major source of public concern, isn't it? oh, it is. >> there's no question about it. and it's why the prime minister's made it one of his five priorities. and good luck with every time, with that, because every time, every time, every time he gets you i mean, if we if we you know, i mean, if we if we think about it recently, the nhs , there was kind of window at , there was a kind of window at the beginning of this year where the beginning of this year where the stuck they the nhs got stuck in and they reduced the two year waits to almost nothing. so they can churn if they've given churn it out if they've given a chance. but of course the problem now at the

problem we've got now at the strikes we've heard more strikes and we've heard more strikes and we've heard more strikes are going be strikes are going to be coordinated. i was keen to get that because, you know, bma talking afternoon for the talking this afternoon for the first time ever in the history of the nhs, it will be the junior doctors and consultants going on strike. >> so slow down. what do you make of that? >> well, i don't want to downplay it. don't misunderstood and what i'm going to say, but the nhs is now pretty good at handung the nhs is now pretty good at handling strikes. so what the nhs is now pretty good at han(happen? strikes. so what the nhs is now pretty good at han(happen? i strikes. so what the nhs is now pretty good at han(happen? i think, s. so what the nhs is now pretty good at han(happen? i think, isso what the nhs is now pretty good at han(happen? i think, is whatiat will happen? i think, is what i'm assuming the bma will allow this kind of christmas day type cover the blue light, for cover for the blue light, for the and some the front door, for icu and some derogations allowing docs to come in under specific circumstances. so i mean it will there's no question about it. the whole of the back end of the nhs will come to a grinding halt and that's where the implication is for waiting lists. now of course, you know, we think people are waiting. well, they'll be right. they'll wait a bit longer. actually, that isn't true . and seen the numbers true. and we've seen the numbers that labour have today. that labour have dug up today. they we really do have to look a

bit closer to them. it was 25% of the trusts reply . they of the trusts reply. they extrapolated the rest of the numbers , which is fair enough. numbers, which is fair enough. yeah. and but of course if you're one the waiting list for a bunion and you die because you're 96, you haven't died of your bunion. so i, i was struck by that. >> there was another figure that was released today that 340,000 of people who died in britain last year, and that's 60% of those who died had a medical condition. well i mean, that's hardly surprising, is it? >> yeah, you could say, you know, a man with a red tie died today. he had a medical condition. we've all got you know. so i think we've got to be careful. >> our labour. our labour. i mean, getting back to emily thornberry and wes streeting was out there, but emily thornberry was the most senior labour politician today . and politician out there today. and you can see the political angle that she's taking. as say, it that she's taking. as i say, it is repeat of the election. is a repeat of the 97 election. >> go back to when robin cook >> i go back to when robin cook was labour's shadow secretary of state and at the time i'm i was the vice chairman of the confed,

which is like the trade organisation for the hospitals. and there was an election coming and you know, we wanted to kind of be fair and brief everybody. and i remember going to see him and he's chaotic office in westminster and say, you know, would briefing from would you like a briefing from the know? and he the confed? you know? and he said, no, we're just said, no, thanks. we're just going tories make going to let the tories make a mess it pick holes in mess of it and pick holes in what they're doing. and that's sort is that really what sort of what is that really what he said? yeah, yeah. oh yeah. and i mean, in terms of cynicism , it rates at about 100. >> but in terms of political practicality, i mean, you're a politician, you know. >> you know exactly. i mean, don't don't let's pretend don't don't let's not pretend you know what's going on you don't know what's going on here. look, the nub of this is the labour are not going to be able to do anything about it ehhen able to do anything about it either. the situation is this. >> are you suggesting it would not be better under labour? >> i think it would be. well i think the instinct might be to put more and i think put more money in and i think the instinct would be to have a bit of a reorganisation, which is always bad i mean,

is always a bad thing. i mean, we don't need more reorganisations, but we're likely one. and they've likely to get one. and they've got idea they're going got this idea that they're going to doctors nurses to fund more doctors and nurses by non doms. well, any by taxing non doms. well, any non—doms has got half their wits about them will be long gone before there's a labour government. so i don't think that's to work very well. that's going to work very well. but look what's happened here, nigel, that it goes a nigel, is that it goes back a long way following the world banking we had ten years banking crisis. we had ten years of much flatlined funding of pretty much flatlined funding under 2% for the nhs for eight years, under 2% rises? >> yes, under 2% increases every year. yeah >> it needs 4% just to keep its head above water. we didn't recruit enough nurses , crew recruit enough nurses, crew enough doctors, buy enough kit, innovate enough, repair enough , innovate enough, repair enough, build enough, whatever, and so we came into covid then and at that time, waiting lists were at 4.5 million and we had 40,000 vacancies in nurses. we all forget that. then along came covid. all bets are off. the government chucks money everywhere staffs, most of it . everywhere staffs, most of it. everybody somehow or other

muddles through. and now we come out the other side with people who didn't go to the nhs during covid for all sorts of reasons. we 7.5 million i think we got 7.5 million now. i think it's closer to eight. and of course other is this. course the other thing is this. this strikes have knocked this the strikes have knocked nearly 900,000 people off the waiting list. so they've got they've come off because they've missed their turn because the nhs has been on strike and they've got to go back now. the chaos that caused is, is chaos that that caused is, is almost indescribable for hospitals because it's a huge manual thing somehow or other. how could it be right? >> i mean, i get junior doctors to work long hours and it's a very long apprenticeship in many cases. they're not very highly paid, although when they get to the they these the end of it, they are these consultants going to consultants s that are going to go on. you know, short hours, semi strikes. how how you semi strikes. how how have you i mean, them are working mean, half of them are working in harley street in their free time. how can we have any sympathy with them at all? >> they failed to read >> i think they failed to read the room . okay, good. the room. okay, good. >> please. i haven't missed this one then. yeah.

>> no, i. i think they've messed it up. and to be honest, i don't have any sympathy. i mean, i sort of got nurses strike. sort of got the nurses strike. i sort of got the nurses strike. i sort of got the nurses strike. i sort of got the junior doctors strike, although not 35. >> no, no . >> no, no. >> no, no. >> but i think, to be honest, that was missed managed comms because they what they were doing, they were saying the value of our wage packet has gone down by 35% because of inflation and the traction has been lost. so i mean, they're not stupid. they i mean , the not stupid. they i mean, the ones i've spoken to, they ones that i've spoken to, they realise going to get realise they're not going to get 35. they'll they'll 35. what they'll do is they'll get three years and get a deal over three years and they'll push the big chunk of money for the third year into labouh money for the third year into labour. there's a labour labour. when there's a labour government. to talk government. if you want to talk about politics, but about cynical politics, but that's going to happen. about cynical politics, but thatii going to happen. about cynical politics, but thati mean, going to happen. about cynical politics, but thati mean, no,ing to happen. about cynical politics, but thati mean, no, lg to happen. about cynical politics, but thati mean, no, i mean appen. about cynical politics, but thati mean, no, i mean you�*n. about cynical politics, but thati mean, no, i mean you can't but i mean, no, i mean you can't i can't look consultant in the i can't look a consultant in the eye even if they're eye that's even if they're not doing private work , they're doing private work, they're between 80 grand a year. between 80 to 100 grand a year. they're higher educated people in doing the jobs they love and want , how they can turn their want, how they can turn their backs on people in this way and say, oh , it's the government say, oh, it's the government

that's made me do it. it's not the only person that makes them do it. it's the person that looks at them in the mirror when they clean their teeth in the morning, they make those decisions. i think they're going to unpopular. to be very unpopular. >> know >> so roy, you know, we know long waiting lists. there are some will die that some people that will die that ought treatment. but ought to get treatment. but labour overegging this, labour are overegging this, aren't labour are overegging this, areiit labour are overegging this, areii think. well, they certainly >> i think. well, they certainly from what thornberry said from what emily thornberry said today, that that's today, i think that that's misleading. actually, she misleading. actually, what she said with said by associating deaths with waiting , there was no waiting, there was no correlation in that data. i'm not saying there isn't a correlation and i'm not saying that delayed care is dangerous care and people will die waiting. but these numbers are entirely spurious. but as far as labouris entirely spurious. but as far as labour is concerned , i mean, labour is concerned, i mean, they don't have a plan , do they? they don't have a plan, do they? don't say, okay, on day one, we're going to do this, this, this and this. going to sort out that and that. and reason that and that. and the reason is, they do that is, nigel, they can't do that because all of the problems the nhs have got are very long—range. you look at long—range. now if you look at the workforce plan actually, long—range. now if you look at the w

recovery programme. um, because it takes so long to train a doctor in trainee nurse, which is three parliaments. exactly. and do you think it's really going to be if we about going to be if we talk about cynical politics, is it going to be funded in the second and third parliament? don't think third parliament? i don't think so. have a new workforce so. we'll have a new workforce plan so. we'll have a new workforce pla roy dodi, with all your deep >> roy dodi, with all your deep experience passion for this experience and passion for this subject, have to say, a subject, it is. i have to say, a little bit disappointing to hear your about future i >> -- >> well, m >> well, listen, you know, i'm the i'm the i'm the flag waver for the nhs. we've known each other a time. i've you other for a long time. i've you know, i've been a true and faithful to it. and i believe faithful to it. and i do believe in socialised medicine . and do in socialised medicine. and i do think great system . but i think it's a great system. but i am worried for the future. am truly worried for the future. i think a lot of staff are very hacked off and once you lose morale, you start to lose . you morale, you start to lose. you know, you take your eye off the ball. i think the recovery program be a long program is going to be a long time. think if we can get a time. i do think if we can get a clear period of sensible funding and i'm not talking about double the funding have you for the funding or what have you for 4.5, something like that per annum, can get it clear annum, if we can get it clear and politicians sort these

and the politicians sort these blooming strikes out, then i think we'll see a much quicker recovery than we all expect. >> well, provided we spend the money wisely, i guess that's the one proviso i would have on this. >> well, it's fair enough. i mean, it's a huge financial commitment . and i'm not saying commitment. and i'm not saying there's never waste . there's there's never waste. there's waste everywhere. but i mean , waste everywhere. but i mean, broadly speaking, we get a pretty good bang for our buck. so i think with the nhs and a lot of people talk about private medicine, but you can take your insurance policy subscriptions out of your left hand pocket and you can take your taxes out of your right hand pocket. it's still your trousers. you've still your trousers. you've still we've still still got to pay. we've still got to pay. >> roy eddie, as ever, superb. thank much indeed . thank you very much indeed. looking forward to your comments and think at home and whether you think at home labour do better . and whether you think at home labour do better. in labour would do better. in a moment, being kicked moment, students being kicked out of halls of residence for all these young men crossing the engush all these young men crossing the english channel, where it english channel, where will it all end .

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well whenever the weather is decent, the young man crossed the english channel. >> now, it's been a pretty rotten summer. another 300 came on wednesday . none came on wednesday. none came yesterday. it's all down to the weather and that's why we're 20% down. it's still 20,000 people so far , but we're 20% down on so far, but we're 20% down on last year. and i believe it is simply because of the weather. but the problem of where to put everybody just gets bigger and bigger, whether it's former raf bases with distinguished world war two records, whether it's barges in the dock at portland, which turn out, of course , later which turn out, of course, later on to be unfit for use, whether it's hotels over 300 of them filled up around the country . filled up around the country. but now one i hadn't seen before . now this is the case of a university student halls of residence and one that had been recently redecked. and it was

described served as a luxury accommodation for students . and accommodation for students. and apparently in huddersfield . and apparently in huddersfield. and they're going to get booted out for young men that have recently crossed the channel. and there is some considerable local angeh is some considerable local anger. i'll hand it over to anna riley , gb news yorkshire and riley, gb news yorkshire and humber reporter. anna >> good evening, nigel. >> good evening, nigel. >> yes. 168 students were due to come to this accommodation behind us. one it's called in just a matter of a few weeks time due to start the university term again in september. but last minute they were notified wide that the home office have actually going to use this accommodation to house asylum seekers . offers 405 is what the seekers. offers 405 is what the accommodation can hold up to. so 405 rooms for asylum seekers coming over on the boats. of course, that's left students sort of scrambling for last

minute accommodation on the provider of the accommodation said that they are doing the best that they to can help house the students and the home office as well have said that they have been upfront about the unprecedented pressure being put on.the unprecedented pressure being put on. the asylum seeker brought about by a significant increase in dangerous and illegal journeys into the country. and they say that they continue to work across government and local authorities to identify why a range of accommodation options and that the government remains committed to engaging with local authorities and key stakeholders as part of this process. so that's what the home office have said. i went out earlier into huddersfield to ask people their views on this accommodation being used for asylum seekers instead of students as planned, and this is what they had to say. i are people who live near the and there would be an issue for them because they could find alternatives. >> but it would be better if

they prioritise people who live further away. so they could attend university without an issue . issue. >> i think they should try and accommodate them somewhere else , like for so they don't have to be so close to the university. so university students can live here. well i think i mean obviously you need somewhere for the asylum seekers as i think it's awkward a little bit for the students that are already in situ. >> but there is a lot of student accommodation around, it seems, and i think overall they shouldn't have too much trouble in the long run getting people good accommodation for students is so that's what people in the city centre have been saying. >> but i'm joined now by sajid ali and his daughter. he lives with his family just right opposite the hd1 building behind us. and it was only when i came to speak to you earlier that you actually found out that this accommodation was now going to be used for asylum seekers.

you'd had no prior notice from prestige living or from the home office or local council . nothing? >> no, no idea what was going on. as far as i was aware, it was going to be student accommodation again. but i'm really disappointed that they didn't notify anyone as this road has also families as well as vulnerable elderly people that live here and we don't know what type of people they're to going move in here. we don't know if they're going to be families. don't if it's families. we don't know if it's only going to be men because the college is just a stone's throw only going to be men because the collegand just a stone's throw only going to be men because the collegand lots a stone's throw only going to be men because the collegand lots of stone's throw only going to be men because the collegand lots of children hrow only going to be men because the collegand lots of children gotv only going to be men because the collegand lots of children go to away and lots of children go to the and they're very the college and they're very vulnerable. they're vulnerable. so if they're going to men, don't know if to be men, we don't know if they're men, drug dealers, rapists. so soldiers, you don't know come across rapists. so soldiers, you don't kno boats come across rapists. so soldiers, you don't kno boats and come across rapists. so soldiers, you don't kno boats and they come across rapists. so soldiers, you don't kno boats and they just)me across rapists. so soldiers, you don't kno boats and they just tendicross rapists. so soldiers, you don't kno boats and they just tend toyss the boats and they just tend to be predominantly men like you mentioned. >> and how does that make you feel knowing that your family are to be nearby? feel knowing that your family are i'm to be nearby? feel knowing that your family are i'm very be nearby? feel knowing that your family are i'm very appalled y? feel knowing that your family are i'm very appalled .? feel knowing that your family are i'm very appalled . i'm very >> i'm very appalled. i'm very angry, to be honest with you . angry, to be honest with you. the council should have notified the residents at least. i mean, we only live across the road.

what have been hard for them to send us some letters, some more application. what's going to happen? or they could have given us option. are you happy with us an option. are you happy with such a thing happening such a such a thing happening with accommodation across with the accommodation across the could have it the road? they could have put it to vote. could have to a vote. they could have actually moved them to the edge of , where there's of huddersfield, where there's a lot large buildings that lot of open large buildings that could utilised for could have been utilised for demolished for housing. >> yeah, as it is, it is a four minute walk to the university from here, so close to the city centre. what would you say to people though? we played out views from the public earlier who these people who said, well, these people have go somewhere, you know , have to go somewhere, you know, students other students can find other accommodation . accommodation. >> well, the students are going to eventually get get their distinctions and they're going to run the country. these asylum seekers aren't going to do that. you don't even know what they're going they might not work going to do. they might not work for the next ten, 15 years. they might be burgling for might be burgling here for the next because you next ten, 15 years because you don't know who's actually come over. don't know who's actually come over . they come over with no over. they come over with no idea . tification nothing. no

idea. tification nothing. no government documents and some of them. some of them, yeah, they're all okay, but not all of them. because you can see them around town begging for money and then you see jumping in and then you see them jumping in their cars and driving their fancy cars and driving off. and it's going on for off. and it's been going on for a number of years. this. >> thank you. thank you for your views sajid. really views there, sajid. really appreciate the appreciate that. so that's the view in huddersfield view from people in huddersfield city concerned city centre and a concerned local with his family local resident with his family a bit nervous about that announcement that he's just found from me afternoon found out from me this afternoon that asylum seekers are due to move on. megxit at this one building and riley, thank you very much indeed. >> and what sajid was saying there is how people feel all over the country. they are naturally nervous about large groups of young men being moved into whatever accommodation it is . as he said, we've no idea is. as he said, we've no idea who they are. we've no idea whether they've been involved in the we've idea the syrian war. we've no idea whether them are allied whether some of them are allied to isis. we've no idea how many genuinely would qualify in traditional terms as refugees. and there is deep disquiet. all

over the country, and yet no sign of it ending. now you may think this constitutes something of a joke. bring back national service. well, it's not really been heard as a political issue for decades in this country. and yet, penny morton has floated an idea that maybe we opt all 60 year olds into a form of national service . it wouldn't national service. it wouldn't have to be military. it could be civil, it could be social. and equally, you could opt out of it. but is the concept of a national service a good idea for. i rather think it might be. we'll debate it in just a minute

listening to gb news radio. >> no longer is it the joke of the pub bore bring back national service ? no, actually there is service? no, actually there is a sensible practical idea that's been put forward today and i've not heard it. i've not heard it

sensibly put forward in this country, frankly, in my lifetime. adam hawksby is director, a deputy director of the centre right think tank onward . and this report, adam, onward. and this report, adam, and you've had penny morden back it. you've had dan jarvis , the it. you've had dan jarvis, the mp, back it. rory stewart, former mp back it are you really going to put every 16 year old in khaki so we are going to give every 16 year old the opportunity they can opt out if they want to, to go through a modern form of national service which combines civic and voluntary elements, things like social action with a two week residential program. >> so that might include elements of your traditional military service, know, military service, you know, outdoor bounds, physical activities. real purpose activities. but the real purpose of that two weeks is social mixing. there are too few opportunities moment for opportunities at the moment for young to meet others young people to meet others outside of their bubble, outside of class, outside of the of their class, outside of the traditional area that they've grew that's why we grew up in. so that's why we want to reintroduce this to help people build relationships outside social

outside of their usual social network skills, to network to build skills, to build soft build character. those soft skills , and also develop skills, and also to develop a stronger sense of belonging to their community and to their nation. their community and to their nat so. their community and to their nat so why just two weeks? >> so why just two weeks? >> so why just two weeks? >> well, we think the first scheme should be a couple of weeks. look, weeks. i mean, look, logistically, enormously logistically, this is enormously challenging. one of the things that us they just that inspired us is they just introduced similar program in introduced a similar program in france, the service national universelle. excuse my universelle. if you'll excuse my bad accent, wasn't too bad french accent, wasn't too bad. and they what did five bad. and they what they did five years emmanuel macron has years ago, emmanuel macron has said need this sort of said we need this sort of program. how can we make it work? they said, let's go for conscription, of conscription, the sort of program might program that previously we might have the army program that previously we might have no the army program that previously we might have no thanks, the army program that previously we might have no thanks, actually, army program that previously we might have no thanks, actually, it'sly said, no thanks, actually, it's not useful for us to have a bunch of recruits. >> mean, actually, truth >> i mean, actually, the truth of it is the british army is now so small physically so small that it physically wouldn't people at this wouldn't have the people at this moment in time to train people and military. so. so this and to do military. so. so this is a completely non—military option. couple of option. and it's a couple of weeks bonding, basically. weeks of bonding, basically. well, it's got three phases. >> first is that >> so the first week is that couple weeks of bonding. couple of weeks of bonding. that's the residential. so that's a feel that's where people get a feel for meet people outside for it, meet people outside their bubble. then have

their bubble. then you have six months in which people do a couple of hours a week of social action. so some might saint action. so some might do saint john's ambulance, the special constabulary, john's ambulance, the special constylocaly, john's ambulance, the special constylocal programs. it's up to more local programs. it's up to that young person, their school, the community and then the third phase, is to phase, if people wish to, is to do a year service. that might do a year of service. that might be the americorps be more like the americorps model, people do full model, where people do a full year gap year. year as a gap year. >> yeah. and you're saying 16 year yeah year olds begin this? yeah >> so would be alongside >> so it would be alongside school college. so it would school or college. so it would be they'd do in be something that they'd do in and then the year you might do would at 18 when you finish would be at 18 when you finish your whatever it may would be at 18 when you finish you it whatever it may would be at 18 when you finish you it could whatever it may would be at 18 when you finish you it could be whatever it may would be at 18 when you finish youit could be and1atever it may would be at 18 when you finish youit could be and people it may would be at 18 when you finish youit could be and people might be. it could be and people might choose to flex this those choose to flex this over those two it's best for two years when it's best for them. there are some schemes them. now there are some schemes that already these that exist already along these lines, those you have to lines, but for those you have to opt in. >> yeah, what you're suggesting is that everyone goes this is that everyone goes into this unless they choose to opt out. is that everyone goes into this unlyeah,ey choose to opt out. is that everyone goes into this unlyeah, i/ choose to opt out. is that everyone goes into this unlyeah, i mean, e to opt out. is that everyone goes into this unlyeah, i mean, this opt out. is that everyone goes into this unlyeah, i mean, this mightt. >> yeah, i mean, this might sound familiar to some sound very familiar to some people. citizen service sound very familiar to some pe0|the citizen service sound very familiar to some pe0|the david citizen service sound very familiar to some pe0|the david cameron| service sound very familiar to some pe0|the david cameron era rvice was the david cameron era attempt this, they're big i >> -- >> and let's be frank, it went nowhere its target was nowhere well, so its target was 45% participation. >> up year on year and >> it crept up year on year and in the end got to about 15, which is still a decent chunk of

young nowhere near young people, but nowhere near the 80% that we're aiming for. we about 1 5 young we think about 1 in 5 young people out, but the people might opt out, but the reason that we've argued for an on steroids, a much bigger scheme , is because that mass scheme, is because that mass participation , the shared participation, the shared ritual, every young person doing it what's so important it is what's so important because that's how you meet people from different groups. it's not just that i it's not just those that say, i think you're right. >> i think, to be honest with you, you know, the biggest divide britain is a class divide in britain now is a class divide. it's huge class divide. it's a huge class divide. it's a huge class divide. idea that divide. and so the idea that everyone in together, everyone mixes in together, i think very, good idea. think is a very, very good idea. what to happen. adam to what needs to happen. adam to take a concept like this from being academic paper put out being an academic paper put out by onward ? how do you make it by onward? how do you make it actually happen in reality? >> so, so the first thing you're going to need is a lot of political support. so one of the things we wanted to test here is the amount of public support. and we were actually blown away. so public by about 56, about so the public by about 56, about 19% support nationally. i get it. >> i get it. >> i get it. >> yeah, i get it. young people themselves, actually, this is

what misunderstood. what i think is misunderstood. so year in our so 18 to 25 year olds in our poll, 3 to 1 supported a national service scheme. did they really? they did. and that was 17. they said this is was 46% to 17. they said this is a idea. and so this is a good idea. and so this is something that young people are after. they want something that young people are aft long they want something that young people are aft long as they want something that young people are aft long as it's they want something that young people are aft long as it's not they want something that young people are aftlong as it's not compulsory as long as it's not compulsory military, they're for it. but military, they're up for it. but what is what you're going to need is a politician that says, i back this, i support it. i will invest in so we calculate it invest in it. so we calculate it will cost about billion will cost about £1 billion a yeah will cost about £1 billion a year. at the moment, the budget for million. so that's for about 200 million. so that's a ramp up. they've a significant ramp up. they've got to prioritise it, they've got to prioritise it, they've got it and they've got to prioritise it, they've got to it and they've got to prioritise it, they've got to make it and they've got to prioritise it, they've got to make thet and they've got to prioritise it, they've got to make the case they've got to prioritise it, they've got to make the case thaty've got to prioritise it, they've got to make the case that this is an investment in young people's future. >> need some support from >> so you need some support from labour politicians too, don't you? labour politicians too, don't youwe but i mean, you know, >> we do. but i mean, you know, david the shadow foreign david lammy, the shadow foreign secretary book, secretary in his book, argued for form national service for a form of national service in fact, he argued for a compulsory form because he said without rights, without obligation, rights without rights, without obliobligation, rights without rights, without obliobligation, duty.]hts but obligation, no duty. >> long was that book >> how long ago was that book written? >> it would have been prior to his current appointment to the shadow cabinet. >> only concern about, >> that's my only concern about, hey, don't i hope hey, look, i don't know. i hope david does support and david lammy does support it and i this because i'd love to

i hope this because i'd love to see as an issue that see this as an issue that actually wasn't considered to be left right. right. but it was left or right. right. but it was about, yeah, people coming together feeling that together and a feeling that actually a shared actually there is a shared identity that nation and identity and that the nation and belonging and giving belonging to it and giving to it is important. all i can is important. what all i can say, is i really i do say, adam, is i really i do genuinely wish you well with this i'm 100% behind this and i'm100% behind you. thank you. thank you. right. the what? moment . i tell thank you. thank you. right. the whawhat. moment. i tell thank you. thank you. right. the whawhat. can moment. i tell thank you. thank you. right. the whawhat. can you noment. i tell thank you. thank you. right. the whawhat. can you believe . i tell thank you. thank you. right. the whawhat. can you believe it tell you what. can you believe it that the european union over the course of the last year have bought 52% of the liquefied natural gas that has been sold by wait for it putin's russia? yes. whilst they put sanctions on and talk about supporting ukraine in the war, they're actually directly funding the putin regime. it all goes to show they may have laughed, but when trump said to them at the united nations , to the germans united nations, to the germans in particular, you are becoming way too dependent on russia, everyone laughed at him. and the

russia conspiracy he was that trump was because of russia. brexit was because of russia went all the way along. it was the european union that were and still are funding them now. ulez there are some potential ways around ulez you may well think, according to the rules , that according to the rules, that your vehicle is non compliant. and i said to you last night that i thought logically when you go for the annual meet and every car after three years has to, they simply could test emissions. but that clearly is much too simple and perhaps in some ways shows you what sadiq khanis some ways shows you what sadiq khan is really driving at. however if you wonder why buy your car ? and you wonder whether your car? and you wonder whether perhaps unfairly, you are being charged £12.50 a day, what you can do is contact your vehicle's customer service, give them your vehicle details and they will tell you what you're standard. your vehicle is . yep, it's all

your vehicle is. yep, it's all euro standards. we may have had brexit. we haven't left this stuff behind and it's euro four for petrol cars , it's euro six for petrol cars, it's euro six for petrol cars, it's euro six for diesel cars and that's all to do with the amount of emissions that come out of them. so even though your car may technically be too old, even though under khan's plan you should be paying £12.50 a day if your particulates and nitrous oxides emissions aren't too bad, you can get a euro standard conforming t certificate. it's going to cost you £70, maybe £100, whatever it is . but it £100, whatever it is. but it might save you that money. so please, if you want to try and save yourself, what could be a cost of up to four and a half grand every single year? think about getting in touch with your vehicles. customer services in a moment . talking pints. sir moment. talking pints. sir gerald howarth, long time politician and one time banker , politician and one time banker, huge supporter of britain's

military and a renowned right winger, not somebody particularly shy, not somebody backwards , are coming forwards backwards, are coming forwards and he joins me in a moment for talking pints .

it's my favourite part of the show. well, of course it is. it's talking pints and i'm joined by sir gerald howarth. gerald, welcome. >> thanks very much nigel, and thanks the programme. thanks for the programme. >> now gerald , you've >> cheers. now gerald, you've done many things in your life. you've never shied away from controversy or from opinion . but controversy or from opinion. but the thing that really worries me most about you is your background as a banker. bank of america and i've been doing war at war and doing battle with the banking industry. so what's happened to banking? >> well, i was i, i left

university with a degree in . university with a degree in. engush university with a degree in. english and 120 hours flying on, on chipmunks in the university air squadron didn't really know what i wanted to do except i didn't want to join the royal air force because i had this great burning political ambition. and i thought that being in the royal being an officer in the royal air is consistent with air force is not consistent with having a political ambition . and having a political ambition. and so i didn't know what to do. and a friend of mine was had been deputy director of m16, a guy called george kennedy young himself, quite a controversial character at. and george was working for kleinwort benson as an adviser . and he suggested an adviser. and he suggested that i might go into the city, which i did after having done two years running the society for individual freedom . but i for individual freedom. but i always wanted to be a politician . but you can't tell your your careers, master at school that you'd like to be a politician because, you know, it's precocious . yes. and there is no

precocious. yes. and there is no route map, as you know yourself. there's actually no route as there's actually no route map as to you how you embark on to how you how you embark on a political . political. >> and nor should there be. >> and nor should there be. >> no, there shouldn't. and i've always said that house of commons particular should be the butcher. the baker , the butcher. the baker, the candlestick maker. and when you had those those swarthy coal miners deep from underground, the last one, of course , on the the last one, of course, on the conservative benches being patrick mcloughlin, and that i describe my lord mcloughlin as a swarthy but great. >> well, lee anderson, of course, now lee anderson, the former miner, you know, and people with a varied background as opposed to the sort of career churning out from oxford because they bring some special expertise . expertise. >> and i brought a little bit of my experience in banking when we had a banking act to try and deal with some of the problems at the time where they wanted to have managers approved by the government. i said, that's mad. all you're doing is handing responsibility to the government, from government, taking it away from people responsible, who people who are responsible, who are directors of

are the board of directors of the but as your point, the bank. but as to your point, of course my line was when people said that i see you're a bankeh people said that i see you're a banker. i said, i used to be an international banker. i'm now going straight. i'm a politician. >> you're both a pretty unpopular and certainly with me. did enjoy working in the did you enjoy working in the city, though? >> not particularly, no. a >> not particularly, no. i had a young it was a it was young family and it was a it was a means of financing my life. but i had this burning ambition to be a politician . yeah, people to be a politician. yeah, people ask me why? because it's very corny, but i just love my country. and i wanted to do. >> and you've always wanted to do campaign against. >> so socialism. >> so socialism. >> you've always been very consistent with this, haven't you? you've been against socialism . you've been concerned socialism. you've been concerned about door immigration. about open door immigration. you've you've been worried about culture, about what's happening to british culture. >> and i think it's appalling what's going on at the moment. absolutely appalling. and i do urge the prime of his urge the prime minister of his watching i'm sure he watching the shows. i'm sure he does. nigel because you're extremely the extremely popular. but if the prime is watching,

prime minister is watching, i would urge him to get his government to do much more about deaung government to do much more about dealing with this wokery and i had an email from the local chief executive of the local authority because i'm chairman of my little village in suffolk and me about the local and telling me about the local elections how they'd gone. elections and how they'd gone. it his name, i think it it signed his name, i think it was arthur somebody or other. he bracket, he stroke him . i mean , bracket, he stroke him. i mean, if you do, i'm extremely offended . and he said, well, offended. and he said, well, well, one of my councillors come out as trans, so i'm showing solidarity. i said, goodness sake, this is an utter absurdity. and when a teacher is in, is reprimanded because a child has said something about it, criticised another child for identifying as a cat, for god's sake , what on earth are we doing? >> i had a teacher might lose theirjob over this. their job over this. >> absolutely. and that's one of the reasons why i speak out. yeah, because i've the metropolitan police service . i

metropolitan police service. i thought it was a force, but apparently it's a service that if they're watching, i speak out because i want to protect other people. i had a woman come to my search. she worked in the nhs and she was absolutely mortified. she was in tears as she had a black female boss who was giving her a really hard time. she said, sir gerald , i've time. she said, sir gerald, i've done my level best to do everything she asks and i'm still getting grief and this woman should have been , you woman should have been, you know, this, this, this lady constituent of mine should have been able to gone to a manager and said, i'm being treated badly, but i couldn't do so because her immediate boss was black . black. >> yeah. mean, some of this >> yeah. i mean, some of this stuff mean, stuff is crackers. i mean, gerald, you've as i say, gerald, you've been, as i say, very consistent over decades in what you've believed in as somebody into parliament somebody who got into parliament and a long in and you spent a long time in parliament, a gap in the parliament, a short gap in the middle of it all, but a long. >> a retread. >> i was a retread. >> i was a retread. >> yeah. yeah, that's very common, know. i won't common, you know. but i won't forget people of and forget the people of cannock and burntwood . yeah. your first burntwood. yeah. your first constituency elected me a

pinstripe banker. pinstripe suited banker. >> yeah, in a mining constituency in 1983. so if anybody cannock burntwood anybody in cannock and burntwood is watching , gave the is watching, you gave me the privilege of saying how interesting. >> if you fast forward that to 2014, 15, 16, when i was campaigning in cannock on brexit, they were right there, you know. yeah, they were right, no question about it. >> sound people in the midlands, now you've got absolutely tucked up didn't you ? up didn't you? >> you were neil hamilton, the famous panorama. i mean, i know all about being a stitched up on newspapers praying grams, newspapers and praying grams, but was a big one, wasn't but this was a big one, wasn't it? what happened to you? yes. >> arrived in >> we had just arrived in parliament in and there parliament in 1983, and there was the panorama did a programme called maggie's militant tendency, suggesting that a number of tory mps, about six of us were basically in cahoots with the extreme right and there was a bridge to this extreme right . well, the other four were right. well, the other four were established parliamentary inns and everybody in the parliamentary party just laughed it off. absolutely ridiculous . it off. absolutely ridiculous. but neil and i were brand new.

yeah and we saw that our careers were just going to be destroyed . and so we decided to, to litigate and to fight a libel action. we had the support of sir james goldsmith, jeremy goldsmith, great man, an and jemmy gulliver of distillers . jemmy gulliver of distillers. but we'd have lost everything. and i did about a couple of months before the case actually went to court and took two and a half years to go to court. and in 1980, 86. but i did send a letter to the deputy director of the bbc saying, understand, if we lose , we lose everything. and we lose, we lose everything. and if you lose, understand that you're going to lose everything as well . and of course, the as well. and of course, the director general, alastair milne, was fired by duke hussey, the incoming chairman of the bbc. >> it was a massive scandal of its day. >> it was appalling scandal, yeah. and it was demonstrative of the culture and the bbc. i

mean, one of the interesting things i don't think many people know this, but one of the interesting things that they we had tapes, had the uncut tapes, incidentally , neil and i have incidentally, neil and i have the uncut tapes and it makes goebbels like amateur. goebbels look like an amateur. yeah. yeah. and . the chairman of yeah. yeah. and. the chairman of the young conservatives had done a report on some sort of similar report on entryism . um, and the report on entryism. um, and the chairman had been interviewed on the programme and he was asked what about howard's mother? my mother set up something called the immigration control association and she was a front runner in the campaign to alert the british public to the dangers of mass immigration and so the, the interviewer said, what about house mother? he said, well, i'd rather not about that. it's not. and he was goaded into denouncing me because of my mother. yeah and that's the bbc. >> and any association with

enoch powell , who was considered enoch powell, who was considered to be bedevilled by them and all the rest of it. but you had a long career in politics. but what interests me is from 2002 to 2010, there you were shadow defence and your parents both raf yourself , a keen pilot and raf yourself, a keen pilot and your your clear passion for defence, defence of the realm. the british forces always come through your parliamentary career . we've through your parliamentary career. we've had 13 years, gerald , 13 years of a gerald, 13 years of a conservative government that have slashed all three services in the most astonishing way, haven't they ? haven't they? >> yes, but let me explain as briefly as i can, as you will permit me . we came into permit me. we came into government in 2010 inheriting a budget deficit of £165 billion. we had to do something about it. i knew it was bad in the ministry of defence because i had people who were telling me quite senior officers were telling me perfectly

legitimately they weren't divulging state secrets , but divulging state secrets, but they were telling me it was bad . so we knew we were going to inherit a bad situation. don't forget the carrier programme was delayed by nine months, cost £600 million, simply to delay the programme under labour. but we came in with that. gerald. >> that's a long time ago . >> that's a long time ago. >> that's a long time ago. >> it is a long time ago. but we and we're still cutting and we're still cutting. although the budget has gone up by 24 billion, but we've given a lot of away to the, to the of kit away to the, to the ukrainians quite rightly so too. but we have an imperative to rebuild our stocks. now. my son in law, james cartlidge, happens to be the minister for defence procurement. the job that i shadowed for six years, he is doing that and i know that he, although not background in defence, he is working day and night trying to deal with these procurement problems forms. part of the problem is you're dealing with the cutting edge of technology . if you don't have technology. if you don't have cutting edge technology, you're

going to be beaten by your opponent. >> so it's not just manpower. you've got manpower. and i get that and i understand that. and i do get that grant shapps appointed today career politician , and he's not going politician, and he's not going to have the same power passion for this as the as the outgoing defence secretary. >> well, of course, he when he was standing for the leadership of party year, he did of the party last year, he did make it clear that he believed that spending should be that defence spending should be increased gross increased to 3% of gross domestic product. that's just over 2. >> what would it do if howard was in charge? what would the be as my son in law told me, he said, gerald, you probably think it ought to be 7. >> i said, that's a good starting point, james. >> but that is what we one interesting point that of the many interesting points that that ben wallace made was , is that ben wallace made was, is that ben wallace made was, is that by the end of this decade, we could really be into a hot war because we have allowed people like putin to get away with impunity . and if we're in

with impunity. and if we're in a hot war, we are going to need men, women in, and we are going to need kits and we're going to needit to need kits and we're going to need it fast and less imperative now, i hope that grant shapps, whom i know extremely well, is a great guy . as a fellow pilot, great guy. as a fellow pilot, i hope that grant will stick by what he said last year. he wants to see defence spending at 3% of gdp. well, i hope it is, gerald, because i mean actually you talk about putin, but i fear. >> i china more. i want to >> i fear china more. i want to say this to you. >> i share that outside of politics. >> congratulations on 50 years of marriage. >> nigel, how did you know that? >> well, there you are. so she must be very long suffering as all i can say. >> well, i couldn't have done it without liz either. it's no two ways about that. and also, she didn't politician. she didn't marry a politician. she married banker and. and here married a banker and. and here we are. but but, no, i'm very, very fortunate indeed. i've got a fantastic wife who has stuck by me through thick and thin, not least through that ghastly panorama business where. well, i think on that note , we'll say think on that note, we'll say cheers to her and thank you to

you lizzie for joining cheers to her and thank you to you lizzie forjoining us. you to lizzie for joining us. thank you very much. thank you . thank you very much. thank you. well there we are now, jacob rees—mogg is up next with his state of the nation programme. >> and i wonder what jacob is going to talk about this evening. jacob talking about drugs, because the home affairs committee has come out with a report out. >> and the question is, do we just have a complete confusion that meant be illegal? that it's meant to be illegal? but anyone who seems but actually, anyone who seems to take drugs can. and to want to take drugs can. and what are we going to do about it? can actually have it? can we actually have a sensible, proper drugs policy? it? can we actually have a senwell, proper drugs policy? it? can we actually have a senwell, iroper drugs policy? it? can we actually have a senwell, iroperto ugs policy? it? can we actually have a senwell, iroperto say policy? it? can we actually have a senwell, iroperto say the cy? it? can we actually have a senwell, iroperto say the name >> well, i have to say the name jacob rees—mogg and drugs. i've never sort of put them together , particularly in the past. but you're right, because if we do this and if we allow people to take illegal drugs in a semi—legal environment , where semi—legal environment, where are we? it's a complete and utter mess. all of that coming up in just a moment. i'm done for the week. i'm back with you next monday evening at 7:00. but

let's have a look at what the weekend weather store for us. >> us. >> the temperatures rising , boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good evening. i'm alex deakin . this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. a bit of a mish mash tomorrow. a misty, murky start. some places will see a few showers, but some spots will see some warm sunshine too. it's a messy situation because we've got an old area of low pressure hanging around and weather hanging around and these weather fronts bringing cloud fronts have been bringing cloud and across many areas and rain across many areas through the possibility through the day. the possibility of 1 or 2 heavy showers just out in the far south—east through the night, staying fairly damp and murky , murky and misty over and murky, murky and misty over parts of northern england. and some that rain some of that light rain trickling into southern scotland as well. northern scotland trickling into southern scotland as well. no and'n scotland trickling into southern scotland as well. no and cleartland trickling into southern scotland as well. no and cleartlan(quite staying dry and clear and quite chilly. well down chilly. temperatures well down into figures. further into single figures. further south, a pretty mild night. temperatures up in the temperatures holding up in the mid teens for some into friday. as i said, bit of a mish mash. as i said, a bit of a mish mash. the northern england the midlands, northern england parts scotland, parts of southern scotland,

fairly for much of the day, fairly drab for much of the day, actually. overcast and pretty cloudy, too, for northern ireland. some light rain and drizzle here and there, especially the east of the especially to the east of the pennines. further south, something sunny something a bit brighter. sunny spells. also spells. but there will also be a sprinkling of showers, mostly dry northern scotland, 20 dry over northern scotland, 20 degrees here, possibly in the degrees here, 23 possibly in the south with some sunshine. a cool feel, though , with that more feel, though, with that more persistent cloud over northern england, so today england, 16 or 17 here. so today may also start a bit misty. there'll be 1 or 2 isolated showers, but for most of us, saturday looks pretty good. if you're after dry and bright weather, some decent spells of sunshine warmer with sunshine and turning warmer with temperatures more widely over 20 c. and sunday also set fair with some warm, sunny spells. goodbye the temperatures rising , boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> hello. good evening . it's me, >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight. last night we discussed the dangers of knife crime at the notting hill carnival. and have we gone soft on drug crime to a new home affairs select committee report has recommended the introduction of consumption facilities where people drugs may do so people who use drugs may do so in safe, secure surroundings. surely drugs are either illegal or they're not? and is the right to pursue life saving medical care under threat? well, a judge has ruled a terminally ill but conscious 19 year old lacks the capacity to challenge doctors over whether she must be allowed to die. this is a case that goes right to the heart of our constitution. and we'll be heanng constitution. and we'll be hearing from someone who lived through herself . prime through it all herself. prime minister claims the migrant crisis is under control and the government is making progress. this is what he told gb news political editor christopher this is what he told gb news politiyyesterday.zhristopher hope yesterday. >> the first time since the small boats crisis emerged, numbers are down. >> i just want to say that

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