gb news away. >> good afternoon and welcome to gb news saturday. i'm martin daubney. for the next three hours, i'll be giving you company on tv online, and of course, on your digital radio coming hour. more than coming up this hour. more than 100 been ordered to 100 schools have been ordered to close fears about close buildings over fears about unsafe concrete with warnings hospitals police stations unsafe concrete with warnings hospitbe police stations unsafe concrete with warnings hospitbe followinge stations unsafe concrete with warnings hospitbe following e stat but could be following next. but who is blame for this total is to blame for this total fiasco? then, home who fiasco? then, home owners who don't comply with new green rules face or rules could face prison or massive 15 grand fines. is the government's latest net government's latest push for net zero it even zero a flop before it even started? and a new survey shows a lack of confidence among the pubuc a lack of confidence among the public the public in recognising the symptoms a heart attack. or symptoms of a heart attack. or could you identify the warning signs big one? and signs of the big one? and as always, do get in touch some your thoughts on gbviews@gbnews.com or of course message me on our social. we're at gb news but first is your news headlines with . ray

news headlines with. ray >> thanks martin. good afternoon. 12:01. our top stories this hour. there are calls for transparency following fears that public sites are at risk of collapsing because of aerated concrete sites . after aerated concrete sites. after the department for education told more than 100 schools and colleges to partially or fully close buildings. that's as students prepare to return to class. now it's estimated that around 24 schools have been told to close in england, but that figure is yet to be confirmed . figure is yet to be confirmed. experts are warning the danger could extend to include health care , buildings, courts and care, buildings, courts and offices. labour is demanding an urgent audit . rail passengers urgent audit. rail passengers are facing more disruption as train drivers take part in their latest strike. up to 20,000 rmt union members at 14 operators have walked out over pay and conditions . meanwhile, members conditions. meanwhile, members of the train drivers union aslef

who are on picket lines yesterday are refusing to work overtime today. rmt general secretary mick lynch told gb news he's hopeful for next week's negotiated actions. >> we go into those talks with an attitude and a disposition to try and get an agreement, but there are some serious issues as most people know now, we don't want to be on strike. we rather much, much rather be earning a living and running the service for the people who need to use it. so hopefully, if we can get a different mindset next week, we can get some progress . we can get some progress. >> while tributes are being paid to former harrods owner mohamed al—fayed, who died at the age of 94, the family of the egyptian born businessman who also owned fulham fc for 16 years, says he passed away peacefully of old age on its site. fulham posted we owe mohamed a debt of gratitude and former spokesperson for mr al—fayed, michael cole told us why he was so special. >> mean, highly controversial,

of course. but those people who actually knew him , who worked actually knew him, who worked for him, who were his customers, who were the fans of his football club, and the many, many , many people who were many, many people who were beneficiaries of his kindness and generosity . they are without and generosity. they are without number. i can assure you , in the number. i can assure you, in the united states , bodycam footage united states, bodycam footage has been released of a pregnant black woman being shot by police in ohio. >> now warning, for those of you watching on television , the watching on television, the video we're about to show you includes the moment before and after her death. 21 year old takiya young refused to leave her car after being accused of stealing and was seen moving her vehicle towards one of the officers. a single shot through the windshield killed the mother of two and her unborn daughter. family lawyer says her death was avoidable and is demanding that the officers are held accountable . both have been accountable. both have been placed on administrative leave while the investigation takes place . back here, the home

place. back here, the home secretary is commissioning a review into activism and impartiality in the police suella braverman saying it can damage public confidence and officers should focus on tackling crime. she also says she will leave no stone unturned to ensure policing acts for the benefit of the british public. the government is looking at ways to make botox safer amid concerns about subpar procedures. it's launched an eight week consultation with industry professionals and the pubuc industry professionals and the public comes as an estimated 900,000 botox injections are carried out in the uk each year. new regulations could include age limits for high risk procedures and a licencing scheme for practitioners in england. ashton collins is director of save face . that's director of save face. that's a government approved register of accredited practitioners. she told us people are making obvious mistakes . obvious mistakes. >> yes, that's part of the problem, is that people look to things like social media to find

cheap deals and you know, they assume that people are safe and regulated and so they think the cheap deals are a bargain. but actually, most often people are cutting corners and these unwitting consumers think that they're getting a cheap deal and actually they end up having complications or and wanted outcomes . outcomes. >> scotland's first minister, humza yousaf , will be speaking humza yousaf, will be speaking at a rally later calling for scotland to rejoin the european union. the event, organised by believe in scotland and yes, for eu , will see supporters march on eu, will see supporters march on the scottish parliament in edinburgh . people will be edinburgh. people will be calling for an independent scotland to quote undo the damage of brexit and rejoin the european family of nations as indie has launched its first space based solar probe to study the sun . the aditya—l1 aims to the sun. the aditya—l1 aims to study solar winds , which can study solar winds, which can cause disturbances on earth . it cause disturbances on earth. it comes just days after it became the first country to land a spacecraft on the unexplored

south pole of the moon . south pole of the moon. >> oh 57. >> oh 57. >> this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news choose. now let's get back to gb news saturday with . martin saturday with. martin >> thank you very much for that update. raimundo okay, let's get now stuck into today's topics. the biggest story of the week, of course, is concrete gate. not a gate made of concrete, but of course scandal around concrete course a scandal around concrete in because more than 100 in schools because more than 100 schools now have been ordered to partially or fully close over fears about their concrete collapsing reinforced autoclaved , aerated, concrete or rac rec is a lightweight type of concrete with a lifespan of around 30 years. many buildings containing rec have now surpassed that age, putting them at risk of collapse. and it's not just schools that might be affected . experts now warn the

affected. experts now warn the problem could impact other pubuc problem could impact other public buildings like hospitals, police stations and courts. but the big question i'd like to address today is who's to blame for this whole fiasco? well, i'm joined now by political commentator, good buddy of mine , benedict spence benedict. welcome to the show. always a pleasure here we go again. another scandal and another blame game. of course, the daily mirror saying governments a failure. what a mess. can the tories get anything right? but you and i both know benedict, this scandal has been flagged for 28 years now. it was brought to the attention of successive governments , the blair governments, the blair administration, the brown administration. they did nothing about it either. administration. they did nothing about it either . who's to blame about it either. who's to blame and why do we always have this unholy squabble to poke fun at the tories ? the tories? >> i mean, yeah, you're completely right to just sort of lay this at the government's doon lay this at the government's door. a government, if we're being honest, a prime minister and rishi sunak who probably wasn't born when some of wasn't even born when some of these buildings were going up,

you know, to lay this at his doonl you know, to lay this at his door. i think is profoundly unfair. this is the fault of a series of governments, local authorities, but also building contractors as well. structural engineers who should have perhaps known when this was being used in the first place that this would be an eventuality. but also, i have to say, i think without meaning to sort of sound too pessimistic and too cynical, i think it is a sign of a very modern issue in britain, which is critical, short termism. everything is looked at very much in the prism of what do we do to react to something in the short term rather than thinking about things in the long term. this has been known, concrete, has been known, this concrete, that a pretty short shelf that it has a pretty short shelf life significant period of life for a significant period of time. as you said, there have been warnings about this for a very but has very long time, but nobody has done anything. why? because doing are long term doing things that are long term solutions are expensive. we solutions are expensive. and we are allergic to planning for the long term or doing the expensive long term or doing the expensive long term or doing the expensive long term things in this country that we need to. i saw some clever political commentator on

twitter the other day when there was the discussion that thousands of pupils will miss out on school, said, oh, i bet it's not going to be private schools, though. it's not going to be eton. it's only ever going to be eton. it's only ever going to be eton. it's only ever going to be the working class, you know, that get shut down know, schools that get shut down and thought, well, yes, because actually, time when actually, once upon a time when schools eton were being schools like eton were being built, they were built properly. they last and they they were meant to last and they have lasted. that's why they're so successful part because so successful in part because they ultimately they don't collapse. ultimately this was throwing up this was about throwing up buildings space buildings in a very short space of president of of time that the president of the of structural the institution of structural engineers said, in a nutshell, why stuff used? it was why was this stuff used? it was lightweight. for lightweight. it was good for insulation cheap. insulation and it was cheap. that's literally was that's literally why it was cheap. know, we can cheap. and, you know, we can blame whoever you want. ultimately there are so many areas of this country that only look through decision making infrastructure for everything through the prism of the short term. and that's how you end up in situations like this failing to fix the roof when the sun is shining, so speak. it leads shining, so to speak. it leads to very expensive

to these very expensive decisions. and this is going to be tremendous , expensive to fix. be tremendous, expensive to fix. and that's just to do it again with a short term fix. if you want build schools that are want to build schools that are going to last, it's going to cost of money. and cost a lot of money. yeah and that's a great point. >> and it's worth pointing out that when this material was introduced, that when this material was introduce about term that when this material was introduceabout term and concerns about its long term and how they to know they don't have a it was actually a crystal ball. it was actually a crystal ball. it was actually a very efficient, modern product at the time. but then, hey, they said grenfell. said that about grenfell. the issue benedict is issue now of course benedict is who pays for this as 100 million reasons labour reasons why the labour party want and the tories want this sorted and the tories watch and that's the £100 million and rising and that's just cost of the schools, just the cost of the schools, let all other let alone all the other buildings we're hearing about hospitals, courts and police stations. be stations. we're going to be looking an astronomical looking at at an astronomical bill at a time when we can least afford it . afford it. >> it is i'd say that there is one bit of silver lining to all of this and that is that a lot of this and that is that a lot of the buildings that this was used in are incredibly ugly and it's a magnificent opportunity there to tear down some these there to tear down some of these appalling sort of 60s and 70s builds start again. but

builds and start again. but actually, thing you're actually, the thing that you're right raise that the right actually to raise that the thing stood out to was thing that stood out to me was not the schools or even the nhs, it courts. i don't think it was the courts. i don't think people yet comprehend people fully yet comprehend how bad justice system bad a state the justice system is in this country. court cases being pushed back to three years in cases because they in some cases because they don't have resources, you have the resources, because, you know, under the tories this is something you can blame the tories tories, you tories for under the tories, you know, concept of has know, the concept of justice has just gone out of the window. it's an optional thing. you it's an optional thing. but you know, think about that. potentially not potentially criminals are not being tried or 3 years. being tried for 2 or 3 years. people getting justice. what people not getting justice. what happens if you start having to close that's going to close courts? that's going to have bigger on have an even bigger knock on effect. you know, it really effect. and, you know, it really is something that you're right, obviously, obviously labour does not landed with the not want to be landed with the bill, a mature political bill, but a mature political system i think would look at this say, well, look, it this and say, well, look, it happened on both of our watches. tory labour governments, tory and labour governments, we need some sort need to come up with some sort of, you know, ring fenced budget for this because these are pubuc for this because these are public buildings. are vital public buildings. they are vital buildings, courts, buildings, hospitals, courts, prisons almost prisons will also almost certainly this . certainly be involved in this. and schools, as we're currently talking this is not

talking about, this is not something we can allow to something that we can allow to become football become a political football because fixed because it needs to be fixed right . right now. >> okay. bannau expense, superb input. we'll again in input. we'll see you again in the houn input. we'll see you again in the hour. let's hope we get the next hour. let's hope we get some proper concrete solutions, no move to our no pun intended. move on to our next topic now. homeowners who don't comply the new green don't comply with the new green energy rules could energy efficiency rules could face us in an effort to face prison us in an effort to hit net zero targets, ministers are trying to grant themselves powers to increase civil penalties for those not hitting their house. old green targets. you couldn't make it up if you fail to reach the targets under the proposed scheme, you can face a year in prison or up to 15 grand, £15,000 in fines . 15 grand, £15,000 in fines. we're joining me now is former conservative adviser for claire pearsall and political commentator joe phillips pearsall and political commentatorjoe phillips . commentator joe phillips. claire, let's start with you . claire, let's start with you. another day, another net zero nightmare. we've had ulez brought in this week, 510 cameras have been vandalised. there seems to be little public appetite for this sort of

policy. and yet here we are again. this time, you know, we're in a country where illegal immigrants get put up at taxpayers expense, and yet ordinary taxpaying, hard working homeowners could , if this goes homeowners could, if this goes ahead, face £15,000, fines or a yearin ahead, face £15,000, fines or a year in jail. how do we get to this position ? this position? >> well, it would seem that the government has learned absolutely no lessons from the ulez decision made in the uxbndge ulez decision made in the uxbridge by—election where people are saying absolutely no, we don't want to pay any more for services. we don't want these extra costs added onto us at a time that we cannot afford it. and what i find even more sinister with this particular piece of policy is that it would not go through the house of commons. it would not be open to scrutiny or debate or anybody actually looking at the detail of it. and i find that to be the worst part of this whole proposal. if we can't look at it, if we can't decide that some of the measures are good, some

of the measures are good, some of the measures are good, some of the measures are bad , then of the measures are bad, then what is the point of having parliament? what is the point of the government as a whole? so i think there are a number of issues and it also doesn't take into those older into account those older properties such as victorian property , whose windows may not property, whose windows may not be the most efficient but you cannot get them changed because you may live in a conservation area. for example . so it's going area. for example. so it's going to put untold pressure on homeowners to make changes they're not able to do. and then therefore, landlords will probably sell up and we will be within even fewer rental properties out on the market. >> joe, bringing you in now, you've been involved in politics for a long time. you know how policy gets through. do you think we're completely losing the everything now is the plot? everything now is about people with about beating people with a stick. no carrot . stick. there's no carrot. there's no incentive anymore. people are being fined and now jailed . we have policy makers jailed. we have policy makers just completely lost the plot. well i think the point that benedict was making earlier when you were talking about concrete , we are allergic to long term

planning. >> and what we've got is the most incoherent government. it was only in july, martin, that michael gove, the housing minister, said landlords will get extra time to make properties more energy efficient . and they were going to review the requirement for new boilers. now now, only weeks later, we've got this story which, as clare has rightly said , if it is true, has rightly said, if it is true, as reported in the papers today, that ministers think that they can start making new criminal offences without any political scrutiny , any parliamentary scrutiny, any parliamentary scrutiny, any parliamentary scrutiny, then we are living in a very, very dangerous country where democracy doesn't count for anything. what is the government's policy on energy? what is the government's policy on house building ? you know, on house building? you know, there would be an argument if you were looking at the long term and this goes back not just to this government but previous governments, that all new buildings should be solar panelled , electric heat pumps panelled, electric heat pumps where possible , all electric car

where possible, all electric car charging points and all of those things and properly insulate it. but you can't just come up with a new range of criminal offences without proper scrutiny. it's utterly bonkers. >> clare of course the government would say, well, you know, we have net zero targets. they've been in our manifesto ipso pledge for 2050. they've committed to scrapping cars by 2030 and boilers by 2035. so in a sense this is on point. i want to put it to you as somebody involved in the conservative party, is net zero becoming like a new brexit? it seems to be something that's incredibly divisive party. on divisive within your party. on the one hand, you have the red wall mps who it's all about the cost of living. all about cost of living. it's all about stop punishing me as a or stop punishing me as a voter or as a taxpayer. and then in the shires where scared of shires where you're scared of losing seats, the liberal democrats, of course, there's losing seats, the liberal democrats, panderingthere's losing seats, the liberal democrats, pandering toere's sort much more pandering to this sort of is this an issue which of stuff. is this an issue which could completely even could completely destroy or even split party ? split the conservative party? >> it does look like it is >> yeah, it does look like it is one of those divisive issues which going away. and when which isn't going away. and when you look making new criminal

you look at making new criminal offences is it kind of sticks in the craw when cannot even the craw when you cannot even get police to come out to get the police to come out to a burglary or to a car crime. but mrs. miggins and a boiler which is perhaps slightly too old but perfectly serviceable , is going perfectly serviceable, is going to get sent to prison or to perhaps get sent to prison or receive a massive fine. i think that both ends of the country, the red wall and the so—called blue wall in the south, will have problems with because have problems with this because it to cost homeowners a it is going to cost homeowners a massive amount of money. and the infrastructure just isn't there. as joe was saying , the as joe was saying, the government one hand, wants to government on one hand, wants to ban petrol diesel cars, new ban petrol and diesel cars, new petrol and cars by 2030, petrol and diesel cars by 2030, but the infrastructure for charging just isn't there. so it's so confused and i think that the party needs to understand where it stands with net zero, whether it wishes to continue with that or just make small advances and get the proper procedures in place so that the country is in a good place with energy security. i think that is much more vital. looking at the energy security, we have rather than banning

things or finding people because they don't reach some arbitrary targets set by the government . targets set by the government. >> again, joe, this is not just a headache for the conservative party. of course, we've seen sadiq khan at war with keir starmer over ulez and on the frankly sight ed frankly preposterous sight of ed davey, liberal democrat frankly preposterous sight of ed davey, sayingaral democrat frankly preposterous sight of ed davey, sayingaral ulezcrat frankly preposterous sight of ed davey, sayingaral ulez not leader, saying can ulez not apply to my constituency even though he's fully supportive of clean air policies? my bigger point is how divisive do you think this is going to be to the electorate ? because we can all electorate? because we can all agree that in principle, clean air, better planet is a good air, a better planet is a good thing, but the price is what's starting to bite when people see what it costs. 15 grand for a boiler or you're in jail £12.5 boiler or you're in jail £125 to drive every day or you get nicked, how can we reframe this to get people along for the journey rather than just punishing them . joe martin journey rather than just punishing them .joe martin i punishing them. joe martin i don't know if you can hear me, but i can't hear anything , so but i can't hear anything, so i've got no idea what you asked me and i didn't hear what claire

can you answer that question then for about five minutes? >> sorry , claire, did you hear me? >> i did hear you. yeah. okay >> i did hear you. yeah. okay >> can you answer it then ? >> can you answer it then? >> can you answer it then? >> yeah, i think you're right. it is divisive for all parties because everybody agrees in principle that clean air and good energy is a you know, is a necessity, a necessity for the country. but no one wants to pay for this. and if you cannot see the advances being made and it isn't going to benefit you individual , isn't going to benefit you individual, only then i think that the voters are going to turn off of it. there are many more things that are higher up the list, like the cost of energy at the moment, the cost of petrol, the cost of mortgages and rent. and then there's the school strikes and school question and strikes and all of the rest of it. so i don't think this is number one priority. i think people it puts it into the would like to have but don't want to pay for. and people don't want to be told what to do. the government has to bring them with them what to do. the government has to b suggestn with them what to do. the government has to b suggest these with them what to do. the government has to b suggest these things. :hem and suggest these things. >> okay, joe, have we got comms

back? we have now. >> but what you and claire have been about could have been talking about could have been talking about could have been anything. >> okay, well, it was certainly more it was a bit more than anything. it was a bit more than anything. it was a bit more than anything. it was a bit more than nothing. put more than nothing. i would put this back to you. this this question back to you. this is a political headache is not just a political headache for the for the conservative party. the labour being divided labour party are being divided by this. we've got keir starmer at with with sadiq khan over at war with with sadiq khan over ulez, or least he's sitting ulez, or at least he's sitting on again and the on the fence once again and the liberal leader ed liberal democrat leader ed davey, the absurd spectacle of him saying, okay, i know ulez is coming in and i've been i've been behind all along, but been behind it all along, but can please not apply it to can you please not apply it to my constituency? because the voters don't like it? so what i'm how do we i'm putting to you is how do we get voters along for journey get voters along for the journey and them support and get them to be support supportive measures supportive of such measures rather than finding them rather than just finding them £12.5 drive or threaten £125 a day to drive or threaten to throw them in jail ? to throw them in jail? >> a start, if we talk >> well, for a start, if we talk about ulez in london, it's been used and weaponized , if you used and weaponized, if you like, as an attack on motorists . it's not. it's a public health. it's an attack on pollution and air pollution. sadiq khan has handled it extremely badly . there's not

extremely badly. there's not enough help available for people who simply can't afford to swap their diesel cars for something else . it's a little bit like else. it's a little bit like housebuilding. everybody knows we need more, but nobody wants it in their back yard. and i think what you've got to do is you've got to be bold, you've got to be sensible, you've got to be grown up about it. and you've got to say, which you've either got to say, which is what would agree with, that is what i would agree with, that we climate crisis and we do have a climate crisis and we do have a climate crisis and we to be greener and we do need to be greener and more environmentally careful with live, how we drive with how we live, how we drive it. but you've got to provide things to make easier for things to make it easier for people a little example, people and a little example, martin, is, you know, you bring in stuff like a smoking ban, which many people said was a terrible attack on personal freedom . but actually, it has freedom. but actually, it has made a huge difference to public health. therefore or it has saved money if you can try and persuade people instead of hectoring them and instead of using the stick and provide more carrots, if you like, then i think you've got a better argument. people are genuinely concerned and genuinely frightened. but as claire

rightly says, you know , closer rightly says, you know, closer to home, it's do you actually turn the heating on as it gets a bit colder? and how are you going to keep that old diesel car going if you're a carer on £11 an hour driving between clients? >> well, joe phillips and claire pearsall, that is the big debate . i think we're net zero closer to getting any answer on that. but thank you for helping to illuminate and thanks, joe, for sticking dig in the sticking with us. we dig in the end.thank sticking with us. we dig in the end. thank you very much. okay. moving local residents moving on now. local residents near legendary crooked house near the legendary crooked house pub site which burned down, of course , are the bricks course, are locking the bricks salvaged from the building in containers as part of their campaign to rebuild the pub brick brick . they will hold brick by brick. they will hold a locking ceremony and a local mp is expected to attend. well, our midlands reporter will hollis joins us now from dudley, a place i know very well. i've campaigned there extensively in the past. now will this pub has really kind of touched locals . really kind of touched locals. it's really motivated and move them. tell us about this local amazing endeavour. this latest

update . yeah well, it's not just update. yeah well, it's not just been headline news here in britain. >> britain's wonkiest pub, the story has gone around the world and you would just, of course, talking about that locking ceremony, the bricks have just been locked away , many thousands been locked away, many thousands of them in the blue containers that you can probably see in the back ground behind me. and ultimately , we've got to this ultimately, we've got to this stage after , of course, the fire stage after, of course, the fire gutted the wonky pub in britain because of the campaign that local people like paul and dawn have put together , save our have put together, save our crooked house, just explain to me, what does it mean to you knowing that these bricks are now secure and at least part of this pub which has been destroyed is saved? well it's i feel i feel really good about it, to be honest with you, because is when something like this happens, it gets shoved under the kicked into the long grass. >> but now we are on top of this and we are going to rest until that pub is built brick by brick. do you think it's

something realistic? >> do you think the ambition to get it back as britain's wonky >> do you think the ambition to ge'pub�*ack as britain's wonky >> do you think the ambition to ge'pub ink as britain's wonky >> do you think the ambition to ge'pub in the britain's wonky >> do you think the ambition to ge'pub in the bestiin's wonky >> do you think the ambition to ge'pub in the best way wonky >> do you think the ambition to ge'pub in the best way possible as pub in the best way possible is that you can do? is something that you can do? >> yes, do. we really believe >> yes, we do. we really believe in it. and we like paul says, we're not going to stop till it's done. we'll be here every day . day. >> this is something that everybody around the country can connect because they've all connect with because they've all got version of wonkiest got a version of the wonkiest pub, it's their local pub, whether it's their local castle monument. just castle or a monument. just describe did it mean describe to me what did it mean to as local people? the to you as local people? the wonkiest pub? >> it's a it's everything. >> well, it's a it's everything. it's like dudley, we've got nothing in dudley. we've got absolutely nothing. i mean, the few things that we've got. castle the crooked house. and i've took that away from us. and. and we are having it. i've took that away from us. and. and we are having it . we and. and we are having it. we are going to have it. we are standing down no more. we're going to be stand up and shout and shout what we want. >> there is a police investigation when two people were arrested, but that investing continues. so investing negation continues. so there's only much we can say there's only so much we can say about that. just remind about that. but just remind me of memories. do you of your first memories. do you remember visited remember when you first visited the crooked house?

>> well, been so long ago. the crooked house? >can'tll, been so long ago. the crooked house? >can'tremember1 so long ago. the crooked house? >can't remember it;o long ago. the crooked house? >can't remember it like,|g ago. the crooked house? >can't remember it like, butgo. i can't remember it like, but i do have memories of coming down and outside, mainly and sitting outside, mainly because we always used to sit outside and drunk on the when you was inside , even before you you was inside, even before you had a point . had a point. >> but it was it was a brilliant atmosphere. yeah. the only problem we ever had down here was wasps . was the wasps. >> wasps. >> the wasps. >> the wasps. >> we've a few of those >> we've had a few of those today. lots of people have stories just like yours. and there 100 people here there are about 100 people here as part this ceremony as a part of this ceremony today. thank you so paul today. thank you so much, paul and for talking to us on and dawn, for talking to us on gb news about saving this little piece of heritage has piece of heritage that has almost from dudley . almost been lost from dudley. >> well, that was fantastic . can >> well, that was fantastic. can you please pass on my regards and respect to paul and dawn ? and respect to paul and dawn? those are the sort of people that can rebuild those that can rebuild britain, those sort of people, common sense. i think we need more of in government. thank you so much. okay. watching or okay. you're watching or listening gb news saturday listening to gb news saturday with daubney. with me, martin daubney. lots more today's show. more coming up on today's show. but let's take a at but first, let's take a look at the weather with jonathan. >> the temperatures rising , boxt

>> the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. despite some cloud around this morning, many of us have seen some sunny intervals into this afternoon and it will be a fairly fine end to the day as well. the cloud tending to melt away into this evening, providing those clear intervals , mist and fog will providing those clear intervals , returning mist and fog will providing those clear intervals , returning overnight,:og will be returning overnight, particularly extensive for central eastern areas of england. we can't rule out england. but we can't rule out some patches elsewhere as well. we'll windier for the we'll be turning windier for the northern though, with northern scotland though, with gales , some gales around coastlines, some heavy of rain well heavy outbursts of rain as well and noticeably warmer nights here compared previously. here compared to previously. but elsewhere, up around 12 elsewhere, staying up around 12 13 c as well. once that early mist and fog does clear its way off parts of england, wales and northern ireland should be a relatively day. some sunny relatively fine day. some sunny spells developing into the afternoon, will be afternoon, but the rain will be persisting the far north, persisting across the far north, pushing highlands. but pushing into the highlands. but come the afternoon it will turn generally patchier . generally lighter and patchier.

but those gusty winds but still with those gusty winds around , that hold around, that will hold temperatures back in the northwest but elsewhere, northwest, but elsewhere, pleasantly , 26 c in the pleasantly warm, 26 c in the south—east, even 23 c for parts of aberdeen . high pressure stays of aberdeen. high pressure stays with us into the new working week. we've still got this lingering front in the far north. and notice how the isobars are also squeezing together more across together a bit more across the west so breezy west country. so quite breezy around coastal lines but around coastal lines here, but for many of us it will be a pleasantly warm summers day and a sunshine. we'll a good amount of sunshine. we'll hold of that hold on to a lot of that sunshine into the forth coming week as well. and temperatures will continuing to slide will also be continuing to slide up possible in up the high 20s possible in places wednesday, places towards wednesday, perhaps even 30 c . perhaps even 30 c. >> the temperatures rising , boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> thanks very much, jonathan live in the polo neck and blazer combo, very james bond. lots more coming up now on today's show, including another day, another round of strikes as up to 20,000 rmt union members walk out today with more travel

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aerated concrete . that's after aerated concrete. that's after the department for education told more than 100 schools and colleges to partially or fully close buildings. that's as students prepare to return to class. labour is demanding an urgent audit rail passengers are facing more disruption today as train drivers take part in their latest strike action. up to 20,000 rmt union members at 14 operators have walked out over pay operators have walked out over pay and conditions. meanwhile, members of the train drivers union aslef, who were on picket lines yesterday are refusing to work overtime today . tributes work overtime today. tributes are being paid to former harrods owner mohamed al—fayed, who died at the age of 94. the family of the egyptian born businessman who also owned fulham fc for 16 years, says he passed away peacefully of old age . on its peacefully of old age. on its site, fulham posted , we owe site, fulham posted, we owe mohamed a debt of gratitude . and mohamed a debt of gratitude. and the government is looking at ways to make botox safer amid

concerns about subpar procedures. it's launched an eight week consultation with industry professionals and the public. it comes as an estimated 900,000 botox injections are carried out in the uk each and every year . carried out in the uk each and every year. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website , gbnews.com. now our website, gbnews.com. now let's get straight back to . let's get straight back to. martin thank you. >> raman welcome back to gb news saturday with me. martin daubney on your tv online, and of course, on your digital radio. well, another day, another strike woke up to 20,000 rmt union members at 14 train operators are walking out once again today. it comes as members of the train drivers union aslef, who were on strike yesterday , in case you missed yesterday, in case you missed it, are refusing to work overtime once again today. well, fewer than half of normal services will be operating, causing disruption for thousands

of passengers . will we ever see of passengers. will we ever see the end of these rail strikes ? the end of these rail strikes? well, joining us now from cleethorpes is our yorkshire and humber reporter anna riley. anna here we are once again. it's mick lynch. groundhog day, the return. what's the latest ? return. what's the latest? >> good afternoon, martin. yes, well, this is the 25th day of strike action now from the rmt. it's been going on for 14 months. it started back in june 2022. and it seems like groundhog day. yes, we're at a bit of a deadlock. the rmt are saying that they are willing to speak with the train companies , speak with the train companies, those 14 train companies that his members work for. and there's talks hopefully next week to try and come to some sort of solution . the rmt say sort of solution. the rmt say that they've only been offered 9% in terms of a pay rise over the next four years. but they say it isn't just about pay,

it's conditions that they're concerned about and they're concerned about and they're concerned about and they're concerned about their members keeping their jobs as well. they've spoken to me about the proposals to remove those ticket offices and the redundancies from staff that could come with that. and the proposals as well for driver only operated trains, which they have concerns around safety for and as well, concerns around job losses. i spoke to giles jackson earlier on the picket line here in cleethorpes . he is the regional organiser for the rmt representing yorkshire and lincolnshire. and this is what he had to say. they'll go on until our members tell us to stop, until we get a negotiated settlement. >> that's all. that's all we want. we want the government to unshackle the train operating companies and allow them to negotiate negotiation negotiate without negotiation team. wouldn't team. so it wouldn't matter whether 50% pay rise. whether we got a 50% pay rise. you know, will have job you know, we will only have job security until the end of this yearif security until the end of this year if we accept the deal. that's on the table. year if we accept the deal. th'i 's on the table. year if we accept the deal. th'i think on the table. year if we accept the deal. th'i think what on the table. year if we accept the deal.

th'i think what we the table. year if we accept the deal. th'i think what we needible. year if we accept the deal. th'i think what we need to a. year if we accept the deal. th'i think what we need to do is so i think what we need to do is secure people's jobs first and then on and then talk then we go on and then talk about other later on. about the other things later on. the closure, closure of all ticket offices. you know, we've seen consultation closed seen the consultation closed last half last night. we've had over half a from the a million responses from the pubuc a million responses from the public saying they want to keep them so, you know, if it's them open. so, you know, if it's a consultation that them open. so, you know, if it's a government�*nsultation that them open. so, you know, if it's a government�*nsultiproposed, the government have proposed, then that the you know, then we hope that the you know, then we hope that the you know, the half a million people that have obviously have responded will obviously get their heard the get their voices heard and the ticket open. ticket office will remain open. >> so giles jackson, they're saying that he wants to speak with the government , the rmt are with the government, the rmt are willing to negotiate and get round the table to try and put these strikes to an end. but of course , it's got an impact on course, it's got an impact on the passengers, hasn't it? we know that this weekend the know that this weekend is the last weekend of the summer holidays go back holidays before children go back to school on monday. a lot of people will be flying home and often on rail transport to often rely on rail transport to get back from the airport . and get back from the airport. and people come out on sunny days like this to seaside places like cleethorpes can become cleethorpes and can become stuck. they can find difficulties in getting home. i

did speak to a family earlier and they said they'd come from birmingham had to stay birmingham and they had to stay an night because they an extra night here because they couldn't home yesterday and couldn't get home yesterday and they were struggling to get home couldn't get home yesterday and they vase struggling to get home couldn't get home yesterday and they vas well. ggling to get home couldn't get home yesterday and they vas well. soing to get home couldn't get home yesterday and they vas well. so certainly: home couldn't get home yesterday and they vas well. so certainly an»me today as well. so certainly an impact on passengers today with this busy weekend . and of this busy weekend. and of course, the rmt saying that it's about pay and it's about conditions. but passengers are stuck in the middle . stuck in the middle. >> anna rani, thank you for that update from cleethorpes. it really does feel like groundhog day. you know, mick the grinch lynch stole christmas last year. what's the betting? we're here having the same conversation this december. it's like home alone two, but without the trains. you're watching trains. anyway, you're watching and to gb news and listening to gb news saturday me. daubney saturday with me. martin daubney loads yet on loads more coming up yet on today's including would today's show, including would you know, to recognise the signs of a heart attack? well nearly half of all adults say no. i'll speak to a fella who suffered two heart attacks about what to look out for all of that and much more to come on gb news. the people's

mornings from 930 on, news. >> good afternoon. welcome back to gb news saturday with me, martin daubney on your tv , martin daubney on your tv, onune martin daubney on your tv, online and on your digital radio. now, would you know if you were having a heart attack ? you were having a heart attack? well, a new nhs survey has found almost half of adults aren't confident they could even recognise the signs and over a third claimed they would not call 999 if they or a loved one were experiencing chest pain . were experiencing chest pain. the most common symptom of a

heart attack. well, my next guest has suffered two heart attacks, i believe .joining me attacks, i believe. joining me now is english teacher aslef huq. hello to you, asif . thanks huq. hello to you, asif. thanks for coming in and sharing your story. thanks for having me. before get on to what people before we get on to what people should looking out for, some should be looking out for, some of the symptoms that may overlook. tell us what happened of the symptoms that may ovyou. k. tell us what happened to you. >> case, it was very sudden. >> my case, it was very sudden. it was the first day of the school so two years ago, school term. so two years ago, almost to the day i come home and i had a sudden onset of very, very crushing , very, very very, very crushing, very, very sudden chest pain . i'd never sudden chest pain. i'd never felt anything like it prior or since , had absolutely no idea since, had absolutely no idea what it was. within a minute or two, i was sweating profusely. i'd had some vegan ravioli for the first time, and i just put it down to that and thought it was a reaction of sorts. a heart attack didn't even cross my mind in my case, i went into work for another four days complete , another four days complete, oblivious to the fact that i might just have suffered a heart attack.

>> i mean, i've had bad reactions to vegan food before, but nothing quite as dramatic as that. moving on now to the that. but moving on now to the symptoms. i mean, had you had previous heart pains this? previous heart pains with this? was different or was this definitely different or was this more kind of that felt like the and therefore, i like the rest and therefore, i shouldn't be concerned? >> very, very different . >> it was very, very different. and the idea of it being a heart attack didn't even enter my mind despite having such obvious type symptoms. i don't have a family history or a particularly unhealthy lifestyle or anything like that. >> you're a slim , trim feller. >> you're a slim, trim feller. i mean, you wouldn't look like me. well, what does somebody look like who has a heart attack? you certainly wouldn't make me feel that you're at risk. >> they it turns out, increasingly like you and increasingly look like you and i. they can look like anybody. and that's one of the things that that we need to be more aware of. it can strike any time. it can be any body and someone's being slim trim or in my case quite active and things like that didn't seem to have much. >> okay. so as well as you're very, very clear sign, can you

run us through a few of the other symptoms that people should maybe be keeping an eye out for or watching at home? anything that is chest related? >> i would say anything that radiates from here along your arms down to your abdomen and stomach, they say it's usually the left arm. >> is that right? because that's where your heart is. >> we're trained to sort of think of things like that. so we're conditioned into thinking, oh, i've this, i've had oh, if i've done this, i've had a heart attack. but it can present in lots of different ways. a doctor is better ways. i mean, a doctor is better placed to answer question. placed to answer that question. but am much more but one thing i am much more aware of is a heart attack. can occur or present in lots of different ways and i certainly hadnt different ways and i certainly hadn't thought of it with mine . hadn't thought of it with mine. i can only talk about my own symptoms really. it was lots of sweating , very, very sudden of sweating, very, very sudden of very sharp and i would say crushed pain. >> yeah . and also excessive >> yeah. and also excessive sweating, shortness of breath, feeling sick or vomiting . feeling sick or vomiting.

overwhelming anxiety similar to a panic attack, coughing or wheezing . i get those symptoms wheezing. i get those symptoms a lot, though. i think a lot of people will think, well, i get that a lot. so how concerned should most people for be what seems like a relatively mundane or everyday occurrences? >> i would say don't take the risk. dial 999 and just get yourself checked out. >> so what's so what was your kind of route to recovery? what's your prognosis? you fit in? well, yeah. >> so in my case, i waited four days. work for four days. i went into work for four days. i went into work for four days and it persisted. it came back one point i got back and at one point i got myself into hospital. now at hospital i was well, once it was identified, i was seen to and treated very quickly . i've treated very quickly. i've recovered, i've recovered recovered, but i've recovered —30 odd% of my heart , which is —30 odd% of my heart, which is a situation i'd rather not be in. so had i rung 999 on day one when it was happening, a bit of them , probably most of that 30% them, probably most of that 30% of heart could have been saved and that that's what i would advise people of if it happens

to you, pick up the telephone , to you, pick up the telephone, ring 999, let professionals make the decision. >> one thing i've done a lot of work on in the past, particularly men's health, male health, and men are particularly how would i put this obstaculos or reluctant to reach out for help, aren't they? and men die more commonly of attacks than women. of course it's not universally men. that's not true at all. but there is that barrier of men. oh, i'm fine. i'm strong , barrier of men. oh, i'm fine. i'm strong, i'm macho. i'm not going to get help. so what would you say to men out there, particularly who have that nagging they just nagging concern? but they just don't want to think about the bad news? >> talk about it. that's something that helped me a lot . something that helped me a lot. i knew very few people who had had heart attacks or those that i did know don't tend to talk about it . in i did know don't tend to talk about it. in my case, as part of recovery, i joined a cycling group . cycling is something group. cycling is something i did anyway, and every wednesday our little group goes out and rides and as we got to know each

other, we've run for nearly two years now. we talk. yeah, men are particularly bad at sharing things and in our in the case of our group, it is largely men. we've got to know each other over time and we're having a laugh. it can be quite bantery we're riding along and in this process we start to open up a bit. that helped a lot. bit. that helped me a lot. >> i think that's a really, >> so i think that's a really, really positive, constructive thing work i've thing because all this work i've done. previously mental done. previously on mental health health health and physical health is when put particularly men in when you put particularly men in a group, it's good yes, a group, it's a good thing. yes, because start sharing , they because they start sharing, they start relating and it's not the shame own and shame of being on your own and all business. and if you're all that business. and if you're doing around a sport well, doing it around a sport as well, no you a bit of fun no doubt you have a bit of fun afterwards. you might have a dnnk afterwards. you might have a drink it's a great drink or two. it's a great social that makes social activity that makes something bad actually, and something bad actually, and something really positive moving forward. put forward. yeah i think if you put a people and give them a group of people and give them something to they'll something to do, they'll generally and do generally just get on and do it. superb okay. would you superb okay. so what would you say people out there as say to people out there as number one piece of advice? like how change your how do you change your lifestyle, example? i mean, lifestyle, for example? i mean, you reaction to the

you had a bad reaction to the vegan food. taking you vegan food. i'm taking it you didn't go vegan. >> has stayed largely >> i my diet has stayed largely what it was. having that, what it was. having said that, i didn't have a particularly bad diet start with. haven't diet to start with. i haven't made lifestyle changes made that many lifestyle changes again, relatively active. again, i was relatively active. i a job that stimulates me i have a job that stimulates me mentally. i'm walking around all day so that part of me hasn't changed that much. the good news is in my case, i've gone back to doing pretty much everything i used to do pre heart attack . my used to do pre heart attack. my advice to people would be be active where you can. if you can walk, do so. you don't have to go crazy in the gym or anything like that. a brisk half hour walk. we can find for people living in london, for example, if it's a tube stop earlier than home means an extra ten minutes walking. do it from time to time. i would always plug a cycling group because it's a fun thing to do. you explore more lots of, in our case, london, you make new friends and you have an opportunity with people

who've been through similar things to share if you can. so there's nothing you can lose. great. >> well, aslef huq, thanks for coming in and sharing your story. i wish you the very best of health and a prosperous and long life. cheers, mate. thank you.thank long life. cheers, mate. thank you. thank you. okay moving on to story now, muhammad you. thank you. okay moving on to fired story now, muhammad you. thank you. okay moving on to fired the story now, muhammad you. thank you. okay moving on to fired the egyptian, muhammad you. thank you. okay moving on to fired the egyptian born1ammad al fired the egyptian born businessman the businessman who owned the department store harrods and, of course, club has course, fulham football club has sadly the age of 94. his sadly died at the age of 94. his death 26 years death comes almost 26 years after tragic car crash that after the tragic car crash that killed son, dodi al fayed, killed his son, dodi al fayed, and, course, princess diana and, of course, princess diana in paris . well, joining me now in paris. well, joining me now is royal commentator michael cole, who used to be muhammad al—fayed's spokesman mike, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show, although not in such sad circumstances. i've been heanng sad circumstances. i've been hearing you speak very movingly all morning about your your friend , mohammed al fayed . one friend, mohammed al fayed. one thing i was particularly struck by was the timing , the by was the timing, the anniversary so close to his beloved son's departure. do you think that had anything to do with it? did mohammed ever

really recover from the loss of his son? >> well, martin, thank you for your kind words . the arabic word your kind words. the arabic word kismet means fate. and i wonder if fate was at work here because as mohammed died on wednesday , as mohammed died on wednesday, um, and that was the day before, as you said, the 26th anniversary of the terrible tragedy in paris when his eldest son, dodi and their dear friend , head of the family, diana , , head of the family, diana, princess of wales, were were killed in paris. princess of wales, were were killed in paris . and he killed in paris. and he yesterday day, the day after the anniversary , he was entombed in anniversary, he was entombed in the private mausoleum on his on his estate. and there you see him earlier in happier times there with sophia loren , who's there with sophia loren, who's coming to open the sale. and then, of course, down at fulham football club. and i did notice a little shot of myself on a very momentous moment when that

was the match immediately after the tragedy in paris . and when the tragedy in paris. and when he came onto the pitch and the crowd gave him such a warm ovation and they were in such sympathy with him then. and people were wonderful . but i'll people were wonderful. but i'll tell you one thing, martin which i've never said he received , i've never said he received, moved thousands , thousands of moved thousands, thousands of letters and he sent and acknowledged every single one, not all of them with personal messages , but a lot of them were messages, but a lot of them were . and he got in a team of people from the store , about 20 of them from the store, about 20 of them boys and girls , men and women boys and girls, men and women and he answered every single, uh, every single card and every card that was left with a with a posy card that was left with a with a posy or a bouquet of flowers around the store and all those flowers, you know, were collected up and they were taken down to his estate in surrey and they were turned into mulch and

they were turned into mulch and they were turned into mulch and they were used for for, fertilising trees that he planted in honour of dodi and diana and that, of course, is now where he's to going lie forever next to his son. a very sad time for a lot of people , sad time for a lot of people, those who knew him and those who didn't , the people who did know didn't, the people who did know him, the people who worked for him, the people who worked for him and the customers, they really loved. they loved being served by him. they loved talking to him . and he he didn't talking to him. and he he didn't invent the phrase as management by walking around. that was coined by sir marcus sieff, the great boss of marks and spencer's. but mohammed practise walking around . he walked around walking around. he walked around every seven, every one of the seven floors every day. and he spoke to people. he listened to the staff. he sometimes put their ideas into effect. and, you know, none of us actually works for amorphous group of works for an amorphous group of shareholders leaders. we work for each other. we work for our colleagues and the people in the store very much worked for him

because the boss was going to come around the corner any minute and he was going to say to them, what you're doing now? how are getting on? okay, how are you getting on? okay, michael, i'm afraid we michael, michael, i'm afraid we have to you out there . have to cut you out there. >> i know you're very moved by today's events. thank you for joining michael cole, you're joining us. michael cole, you're watching to watching and listening to gb news with me. martin news saturday with me. martin daubney loads coming up on daubney loads more coming up on today's let's today's show. but first, let's take at weather take another look at the weather with jonathan. >> looks like things are heating up.bob >> looks like things are heating up. bob boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. despite some cloud around this morning, many of us have seen some sunny intervals into and it will into this afternoon and it will be a fairly fine end to the day as well. the cloud tending to melt away into evening, melt away into this evening, providing intervals providing those clear intervals , though the mist and fog will be returning overnight, particularly for particularly extensive for central eastern areas of england. but we can't rule out some elsewhere as well. england. but we can't rule out some be elsewhere as well. england. but we can't rule out some be turningsewhere as well. england. but we can't rule out some be turning windier as well. england. but we can't rule out some be turning windier forwell. england. but we can't rule out some be turning windier for the. we'll be turning windier for the northern scotland though, with

gales coastline. some gales around coastline. some heavy as well heavy outbursts of rain as well , and notably warmer nights here compared but compared to previously. but elsewhere, up around 12 elsewhere, staying up around 12 13 c as well . once that early 13 c as well. once that early mist and fog does clear its way off, parts of england, wales and northern ireland should be a relatively fine day. some sunny spells developing into the afternoon, rain will be afternoon, but the rain will be persisting the far north, persisting across the far north, pushing the highlands. pushing into the highlands. but come afternoon it will turn come the afternoon it will turn generally lighter and patchy. but with those winds but still with those gusty winds around, that hold around, that will hold temperatures in the temperatures back in the northwest, elsewhere, northwest, but elsewhere, pleasantly warm, 26 c in the south—east, even 23 c for parts of aberdeen . as high pressure of aberdeen. as high pressure stays with us into the new working week, we've still got this lingering front the far this lingering front in the far north. notice the north. and notice how the isobars squeezing isobars are also squeezing together a bit more across the west country. quite breezy west country. so quite breezy around lines here, but around coastal lines here, but for of us will be a for many of us it will be a pleasantly summers day pleasantly warm summers day and a amount sunshine . we'll a good amount of sunshine. we'll hold to a lot that hold on to a lot of that sunshine into the forth coming week and temperatures week as well. and temperatures will continuing to slide will also be continuing to slide up high possible in up the high 20s possible in places towards wednesday,

perhaps even 30 c . perhaps even 30 c. >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers , proud up. boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news sponsors of weather on. gb news this september. >> the gb news family is back together from breakfast first right across the day, breaking the latest stories and every evening and don't forget the weekend . we've got the whole of weekend. we've got the whole of the uk covered. every week we'll be hearing your views from up and down the country with fun lives and intelligent conversation with the biggest guests. this september. we'll meet chris and john. thank you for choosing gb news. we're proud to be britain's news channel. >> and thanks for that, jonathan. lots more coming up yet on today's show. i'll be asking, should rogue police officers be sacked on the spot? that's more to come. i'm

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hours be keeping you hours i'll be keeping you company on your television online. on your online. and of course, on your digital loads coming up in digital radio loads coming up in the following including the following hour, including more have been more than 100 schools have been ordered buildings over ordered to close buildings over unsafe with fears that unsafe concrete with fears that hospitals and police stations unsafe concrete with fears that hospitbe and police stations unsafe concrete with fears that hospitbe and [thee stations unsafe concrete with fears that hospitbe and [the bigations unsafe concrete with fears that hospitbe and [the big question could be next. the big question is this is who is to blame for this complete fiasco? then police officers found guilty of gross misconduct finally misconduct can finally be sacked on a new reforms. on the spot. and a new reforms. but is it fair for a chief constable to act as judge, jury and executioner? then another day, another strike. thousands of rail staff are walking off the job yet again today. will we ever see the end to these infernal train strikes? and as even infernal train strikes? and as ever, please do get in touch. some of your thoughts on gb views at gbnews.com. or of course, message me on our socials . we're at gb news. but socials. we're at gb news. but first, it's your news headlines with ray addison . with ray addison. >> thanks, martin. 1:01. our top

stories this hour. there are calls for transparent sea following fears that public sites are at risk of collapsing because of aerated concrete . because of aerated concrete. this after the department for education told more than 100 schools and colleges to partially or fully close buildings. that's as students prepare to return to class . now, prepare to return to class. now, it's estimated that around 24 schools have been told to close in england. that figure is yet to be confirmed , and experts are to be confirmed, and experts are warning the danger could extend to include health care courts and offices. labour is demanding and offices. labour is demanding an urgent audit . rail passengers an urgent audit. rail passengers are facing more disruption as train drivers take part in their latest strike action. up to 20,000 rmt union members at 14 operators have walked out over pay operators have walked out over pay and conditions. meanwhile, members of the train drivers union aslef, who were on picket lines yesterday are refusing to work overtime today. rmt general secretary mick lynch telling gb news he's hopeful for next

week's negotiations . week's negotiations. >> we go into those talks with an attitude and a disposition to try and get an agreement, but there are some serious issues as most people know now. we don't want to be on strike. we'd rather much, much rather be earning a living and running the service for the people who need to use it. so hopefully, if we can get a different mindset next week, we can get some progress . week, we can get some progress. >> tributes are being paid to former harrods owner mohamed al—fayed , who died at the age of al—fayed, who died at the age of 94. the family of the egyptian born business man who also owned fulham fc for 16 years, says he passed away peacefully of old age on its site. fulham posted we owe mohamed a debt of gratitude . a former spokesperson gratitude. a former spokesperson for mr al—fayed, michael cole, told us why he was so special, mean, highly controversial , of coui'se. >> course. >> but those people who actually knew him, who worked for him, who were his customers, who were the fans of his football club , the fans of his football club, and the many, many, many people

who were beneficiaries of his kindness and generosity. they are without number, i can assure you . you. >> well, in the united states, body cam footage has been released of a pregnant black woman being shot by police in ohio. now warning for those of you watching on television, the footage we're about to show you includes the moments before and after her death . 21 year old after her death. 21 year old takiya young refused to leave her car after being accused of stealing and was seen moving her vehicle towards one of the officers. a single shot through the windshield killed the mother of two and her unborn daughter. a family lawyer says her death was avoidable and is demanding , was avoidable and is demanding, adding that the officers are held accountable . both have been held accountable. both have been placed on administrat leave while an investigation takes place . we're back here. the home place. we're back here. the home secretary is commissioning a review into activism and impartiality in the police. suella braverman saying it can damage public confidence and

officers should focus on tackling crime. she also says she will leave, quote, no stone unturned to ensure policing acts for the benefit of the british public. for the benefit of the british pubuc.the for the benefit of the british public. the government is looking at ways to make boats docks safer amid concerns about subpar procedures . it's launched subpar procedures. it's launched an eight week consultation with industry professionals and the pubuc industry professionals and the public comes as an estimated 900,000 botox injections are carried out in the uk each year . new regulations could include age limits for high risk procedures and a licencing scheme for practitioners in england. ashton collins is director of save face. that's a government approved register of accredited practitioners. she told us people are making obvious mistakes. >> that's part of the problem is that people look to things like social to media find cheap deals and, you know, they assume that people are safe and regulated and so they think the cheap deals are a bargain. but actually, most often people are

cutting corners and these unwitting consumers think that they're getting a cheap deal. and actually they end up having complications or unwanted outcomes . outcomes. >> finally, india has launched its first space based solar probe to study the sun . the probe to study the sun. the aditya l1 aims to investigate solar winds, which can cause disturbances on earth. it comes just days after india became the first country to land a spacecraft on the unexplored moon's south pole . this is gb moon's south pole. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to gb news saturday with . martin to gb news saturday with. martin >> thank you very much, raimondo. okay let's get stuck into today's topics now . the into today's topics now. the biggest story this week, of course, is concrete gate. not a gate made of concrete, but a scandal . around 100 schools that

scandal. around 100 schools that have been ordered to partially or fully close over fears about concrete collapsing in those structures . reinforced structures. reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete or rack . ac is a lightweight type rack. ac is a lightweight type of concrete with a lifespan of around 30 years. many buildings contain a rack have now surpassed that age, putting them at risk of collapse. and it's not just schools. there might be affected exports. experts warn the problem could impact other pubuc the problem could impact other public buildings like hospitals. police stations and courts . but police stations and courts. but who's to blame for this whole fiasco? well, i'm joined now by political commentator benedict spence. hello to you again . spence. hello to you again. benedict. so here we are, another day, another scandal over 156 schools impacted , 100 over 156 schools impacted, 100 classrooms being closed, courts and hospitals and cop shops next. and of course , we now have next. and of course, we now have the political blame game. of course, the daily mirror saying a government is a failure . can a government is a failure. can the tories not get anything right? but it's worth pointing

out, benedict, that this issue was red flagged some 28 years ago by engineers who were aware that this had a limited time frame and the blair and the brown administration then also did nothing about it. >> yeah , it's a cheap shot to >> yeah, it's a cheap shot to try to lay this entirely at the feet of a government that's not really been in power for very long. you can go back and blame any number of tory prime ministers if want . any number of tory prime ministers if want. i think ministers if you want. i think it's very unfair to say sunaks feet as much as it would be unfair to lay say, truss feet as much as it would be unborisy lay say, truss feet as much as it would be unboris johnson say, truss feet as much as it would be un boris johnson orsay, truss feet as much as it would be un boris johnson or even russ feet as much as it would be un boris johnson or even theresa or boris johnson or even theresa may actually as you say, this goes back very time. goes back a very long time. numerous governments both , numerous governments of both, both were both major persuasions were warned nothing was warned about it. nothing was done and ultimately think that done and ultimately i think that is what's blame. it is the is to what's blame. it is the culture sort of indolence and culture of sort of indolence and short termism that pervades all aspects of britain these days, you know, and you and you do get it , be it in you know, and you and you do get it, be it in nhs reform, be it an education reform . you get it an education reform. you get it in the very fact that the house of commons palace of westminster

is currently falling into the thames is in a dreadful state of repair. nothing's being done repair. but nothing's being done sort of to fix that because we prevaricate and we take too long to do things that what we have to do things that what we have to think about is why was this material, which was certified safe it was first used? why safe when it was first used? why was it used at all? and the proof is in the pudding. it's because it was very cheap and it was lightweight. and that's ultimately what it boils down to is we want to build of is we want to build lots of buildings. build buildings. we wanted to build them and sort of to them very quickly and sort of to hell with with the hell with the with the structural long term structural integrity. was integrity. what we needed was buildings. again, i say buildings. now and again, i say it again, it's a real problem in this country is a lack of long term planning. and we see this when it comes to, say, house building , when it comes to building, when it comes to building, when it comes to building reservoirs, when it comes energy in country comes to energy in this country , we energy policy, it is all done sort of on the hoof and in line with what is fashionable and also affordable at the time. there is very thought there is very little thought that given term that is given to long term strategic planning. now we strategic planning. and now we are of we're reaping the are sort of we're reaping the rewards of and that is

rewards of that and that is school buildings. some of them are but are starting to fall down. but also, say, it's not also, as you say, it's not just schools, hospitals. and schools, it's hospitals. and it's courts. so this is going to require for lot of rather require for a lot of rather painful, rather expensive surgery on a lot of state infrastructure. yeah and that might be the nub of it. >> why the blame game >> benedict, why the blame game is estimates of £100 is starting estimates of £100 million to rectify this . and million to rectify this. and that's just about what we know about so far. the bill would probably be much likely to be much, much bigger than that. and that's this about now, that's what this is about now, isn't it? i mean, we're £2.6 trillion in debt. we're going to have possibly 200 million quid's worth of preparatory work, which no government wants to foot the bill of. perhaps that's why labour are blaming the tories because get soon because if labour get in soon it's going be bill. they'll it's going to be a bill. they'll have exactly . have to pick up exactly. >> but again, this is this is one of those things that we are , i'm afraid, just going have one of those things that we are , isortfraid, just going have one of those things that we are , i sort ofid, just going have one of those things that we are , i sort of sigh st going have one of those things that we are , isort of sigh andying have one of those things that we are , isort of sigh and just have one of those things that we are , i sort of sigh and just d01ave one of those things that we are , isort of sigh and just do and to sort of sigh and just do and it's going to be very expensive. but you can't function without functioning hospitals, schools, and and and especially court and prisons. i think that we often

forget those those two forget about those those two last things because everything seems about nhs and seems to be about the nhs and schools these days. but actually the system, the prison the justice system, the prison system, a dreadful system, they are in a dreadful state as they currently are and it is, i'm afraid, another one of those things where it is going, everybody knows this, you end up taking, you know, you buy something on a credit card and you something for whatever you buy something for whatever it now, end up it costs now, but it end up costing more because you pay costing you more because you pay the interest. this is if you like, the interest having like, the interest on having lots threw lots of buildings that we threw up on the cheap up very quickly on the cheap sort 30, 40, 50 years ago. sort of 30, 40, 50 years ago. this what you end up paying this is what you end up paying for and might mean that for and it might mean that people have to work in relatively unsafe buildings for a period of time or relatively unsuitable buildings for a penod unsuitable buildings for a period time. know , we're period of time. you know, we're having discussion around having this discussion around moving and members the moving mps and members of the house lords out of parliament house of lords out of parliament whilst renovated. have whilst it's renovated. you have to sooner or to make the decision sooner or later the longer you put later because the longer you put it off, the expensive the it off, the more expensive the bill all i can say bill becomes. and all i can say is it's a very good thing in many ways that we are doing it now, that we are taking people out of schools because god

forbid, these things forbid, one of these things actually on a court actually collapses in on a court case, on a hospital ward, on a classroom of children, because you imagine the outcry you can just imagine the outcry then. but you know, this is the thing. it has to be done now. there's no point in putting it off any longer. >> and maybe one of the benefits might might get some might be we might get some attractive built. attractive buildings built. i mean, face benedict, a mean, let's face it, benedict, a lot of these buildings were built the 50s and 60s. are built in the 50s and 60s. are kind of modernist, monstrous carbon maybe had carbon calls. maybe we had the idea all when idea right all along when schools were made of brick and robust and victorian, like my kids. wonderful school. okay bannau expense. we're going to have to leave it there. thanks for joining us on the show today on this important topic. now moving officers found moving on, police officers found guilty misconduct can guilty of gross misconduct can be sacked on the spot under new policing reforms as under the plans any officer who fails a new vetting process can be dismissed completely by chief constable's. these new measures are aimed at purging hundreds of officers who are unfit to serve . but is it fair to have a chief

constable act as judge jury and executioner? well, joining me now is former dci from the met's police, perry benson , and former police, perry benson, and former police sergeant harry tanguy. let's start with you , perry. let's start with you, perry. what do you make of these new measures ? it would seem a good measures? it would seem a good thing, right? i mean, at the moment, we are bogged down in a system where we have self—appointed lawyers who can't get rid of the bad eggs. surely it makes sense to cut that process out and have coppers police and coppers . police and coppers. >> i think in the most serious cases that have obviously occurred , then yes, it is a good occurred, then yes, it is a good thing . i think chief constable thing. i think chief constable should be able to get rid of certain officers who commit the most serious offences, but also let's not forget that the removal of independent, legally qualified , as you know, qualified chair, as you know, they were introduced to provide sound and legally reasoned judgement and reduce appeals and be fair to everybody . and if be fair to everybody. and if we're getting rid of these legally qualified chairs and these panels, then what is to

stop officers facing, say, malicious allegations and then a chief constable because the government, because the public expect the officers to behave correctly being sacked because of potential malicious allegation . and that's what i allegation. and that's what i and i think , you know, the and i think, you know, the police federation are really concerned you chief concerned about, you know, chief constable's themselves are not immune misconduct themselves. immune to misconduct themselves. and if we're having them make the decisions, i think the final decisions, i think this also, you know, undermines the officers who go in day in, day out to do a good job, who may find themselves subject to a complaint , may find themselves subject to a complaint, who may then may find themselves subject to a complaint , who may then feel complaint, who may then feel that they're going to be sacked because the current sort of because of the current sort of political they're political pressures they're facing . facing. >> yeah, but bringing you in now, harry tanguy, after wayne cousins, after david garrick, confidence in the police force is at rock bottom . surely is at rock bottom. surely anything which fast tracks the ability to get rid of bad officers , thousands of whom are officers, thousands of whom are on full pay and aren't out of the force yet . surely anything the force yet. surely anything that helps get rid of those kind

of people is a good thing, right? >> isn't a simplified world a wonderful place? unfortunate it's not as simple as that. as we as we well know , it's really we as we well know, it's really the problem we have is just it's just been mentioned there is you're relying on one individual. and the whole point was in 2016, these legally reasoned was brought in for legal reason judgement. were these legally qualified chairs and it was to stop these sort of kangaroo courts where a police, a police chief constable may have thought, well actually i know he's guilty already, i've got social media banging from the side saying he's got to go, this is terrible. look what's on, on, on, on, on people's phones that they videoed that been carefully edited. and the pressure is going to be immense . and also to show his very strong strong strong or she's a very strong leader and we shouldn't we shouldn't do that. we should leave it to a non—biased legal tool to prevent all these appeals that were going on before these sort of kangaroo

courts that could be the case. and we should not confuse as low pubuc and we should not confuse as low public support for the police or with social media, because it's not it's entirely different . and not it's entirely different. and i think you'll find the great majority of the public do support their police force, do have faith in them. there's 145,000 of them. and unfortunately, we unfortunately, i think some senior officers are more career managers aren't wise as opposed to pure leaders who we can completely trust to make unbiased decisions on these individuals that obviously can be held. we heard that one in west midlands police sergeant was was wondering whether he's got his job for two years. the ball with a legal chair apologised and i don't know why you're here this is ridiculous and this is the danger, of course , and we've got to guard course, and we've got to guard about this. the wheels going round. we're going back to what we were before. it doesn't work. >> okay? isn't this >> okay? perry isn't this deaung >> okay? perry isn't this dealing with a symptom? but the underlying cause is there seems

to fundamentally flawed to be a fundamentally flawed process of basic vetting . for process of basic vetting. for example, if i want to work in my children's school, i have to have a full dbs check and any minor misdemeanour would stop me. even volunteering in a school. how can it be that we have a flawed vetting have such a flawed vetting system for police officers that people with serious criminal misconduct become misconduct can actually become acting officers ? acting police officers? >> so this is something that the government have sort of brought upon themselves . so they upon themselves. so they keep sort allowing officers to sort of allowing officers to leave so they can put leave and so they can put impossible measures on police to try and recruit more numbers. so the standards of recruitment has dropped the last ten, 15, dropped over the last ten, 15, 20 years. you know, we've seen certainly in london, in the met, they've allowed people to join with convictions . we've allowed with convictions. we've allowed officers the met in particular, brought in a process where you had to live in london before you could apply to join the met. and that then stopped hundreds, if not thousands of excellent would be officers joining the met just because they weren't from london and it was the basis that

and it was on the basis that they thought that wouldn't they thought that they wouldn't understand of understand how london sort of people well, is people behave. well, london is one the multicultural one of the most multicultural cities in the world, full of obviously every kind of background and walk of life . and background and walk of life. and so anybody should be able to police london if you're a police officer. but i think the vetting procedure needs to be changed, ed, it needs to be stronger. i do agree that if officers fail vetting, then could be vetting, then they could be looked to be sacked. but i also think that there are far too many officers in police with criminal convictions who were allowed to keep their jobs. now, that was in previous times. you know , allowed and agreed and know, allowed and agreed and acceptable . yet if these acceptable. yet if these officers are meant to be the best of the best, protecting the public, i personally don't think it is right with officers having convictions should be in policing personally. >> okay, harry, the home secretary suella braverman, is on the warpath today and the telegraph slamming woke telegraph she's slamming woke policing as a problem. things like taking the knee and policing tweets, not policing streets, non—crime hate

incidents. how fair an assumption do you think it is to make that the basic ethos of policing has been consumed by a woke attitude which prevents its rank and file officers from doing a proper job? >> doing a properjob? >> i think 90% of police officers and police forces are doing the right job. it's your 1 or 2 that catch the headline in which are completely wrong and they do get drawn into this wokeism if you if you like. and you know, things were mentioned such as kneeling for black lives matter . and that's an example . matter. and that's an example. £18 million worth has disappeared off according to the accounts for black lives matter. and it's an example of police officers being very careful. they're trying to appease an angry in front of them. angry crowd in front of them. very emotional, very , very very emotional, very, very angry. and it's so important that i've seen that uniform has to be a uniform of discipline, respect in order that it can get some sort of authority when they need to use that authority. and

it used to be used correctly, of course. i mean, pride for example, i know a lot of gay people now are distancing themselves slightly from pride because it doesn't represent them . there's lot of them. there's a lot of discussion about that, and we don't be as police don't want to be as police forces, officers , it's forces, police officers, it's much safer to stick to the law protecting life, property . and protecting life, property. and there's a difference between trying to sort of trying to be a part of the community and trying to get the support and confidence of the community with actually, it's a bit like if we're all friends when you need to actually put your foot down and say you've lost that authority . i think this is this authority. i think this is this is the real the real problem. and some of these for example, police forces saying we need to have all these communications with community meetings and things like that. harry is going to cut across you. >> now, i've only got a minute left. i want to come back to you, perry suella braverman accusation has accusation that the police has been consumed by wokery. what's

your take on that? >> i think this is >> well, i think this is something that government something that the government have themselves. have brought upon themselves. i think police think they want the police forces be representative of forces to be representative of the communities they serve . and the communities they serve. and so think there is a lot of so i think there is a lot of pressure police officers. as pressure on police officers. as my just mentioned, to my colleague just mentioned, to appease the public and to sort of try and build those trust with communities. i with the communities. and i think message has got think that message has got lost of how we build that relationship build relationship and build that trust and confidence with the communities that we serve. i think a wider think there is a wider discussion that needs to be had. i think certainly as my colleagues mentioned, black colleagues have mentioned, black lives matter and pride and notting hill carnival, for example these sort of example, these are sort of discussions that have discussions that we need to have with communities are with communities of how we are best, serve them. best, better to serve them. i don't think personally that officers taking officers should be taking the knee things that. knee and things like that. i think it does potentially send the wrong message, but we do obviously support all obviously want to support all communities listen communities and obviously listen to find out how we can to them and find out how we can work obviously build work together to obviously build safer streets everybody. safer streets for everybody. okay >> perry benton, harry tang, thank you very much for joining us an excellent us today. an excellent debate. i think people out there think a lot of people out there will agreeing. let's get the will be agreeing. let's get the politics policing and

politics out of policing and let's without let's police without without fear favour . moving let's police without without fear favour. moving on fear or favour. moving on another day , another strike, up another day, another strike, up to 20,000 rmt union members for at 18 train operators are walking out once again today. it comes as members of the train drivers union aslef, who were on strike yesterday, remember, are refusing to work overtime again today , say well, fewer than half today, say well, fewer than half of normal services will be operating, causing widespread disruption for thousands of passengers again. so the question is, will we ever see the end of these infernal rail strikes ? well, joining us now strikes? well, joining us now from cleethorpes is our yorkshire and humber reporter anna riley. anna this chaos started last june. here we are in september, 14 months on, we've already lost one christmas and one summer. is there any end in sight to these strikes ? in sight to these strikes? >> that's it. martin well, certainly the rmt say that on

their side, they want to get round the negotiating table. they do want to come to an agreement. they say that they're losing money every time that they go on strike. it's 25 days of strike action now that the rmt have taken with staff not being paid on those days. so certainly they say from their side, they are wanting to come to an agreement. they were offered 9% over four years in terms of pay, which they rejected. but they say it's not just about pay. they say it's conditions as well. they have concerns around people keeping theirjobs. concerns around people keeping their jobs. they're concerned about ticket office closures , about ticket office closures, the job losses from that and the impact that that will have on the public as well who want to use ticket offices still, especially vulnerable and older people that may find it hard to use the card only machines as. so it is about those conditions andifs so it is about those conditions and it's also about driver only operated trains as well. that's something that they are wanting not to happen. they say that they feel that that would be

complete , highly unsafe for the complete, highly unsafe for the rail and they feel that the proposals that are being made are dehua izing the rail network at the moment. so that's why this strike action in places across england like cleethorpes today is ongoing. so it's about pay today is ongoing. so it's about pay and it's about conditions. but certainly this is now the second weekend, isn't it, of strike action from the rmt. they were striking last saturday and striking this saturday as well, which is a blow to millions of people . it's the last weekend people. it's the last weekend before the summer holidays end. pupils going back to school on monday. many people wanting to make the most of sunny weather like this today. you know, getting out to the coast, getting out to the coast, getting out to the coast, getting out to the cities, unable to because only half of the rail network is operating thing. but what is the public support for this? i went out to speak to people in cleethorpes earlier about what they thought of the strike action, if they were supporting it. and this is what they had to say . what they had to say. >> i just think it's awkward for

the people that use the railways and what trust and faith do you have in public services if they keep striking supportive? >> the moment, i don't think >> at the moment, i don't think that doing the right that they're doing the right thing . they got offered a decent thing. they got offered a decent pay thing. they got offered a decent pay rise and caused a lot of disruption with people, holidays and possibly other more important things like hospital appointments things like appointments and things like that. you know, i'm not that. so, you know, i'm not really for it at the moment . really for it at the moment. >> absolutely fully supportive because it's really tough at the moment. and you see people saying, oh, well, train drivers get paid x big salary, y, big salary, but that's a really responsible job. and the salaries kind of relate . but the salaries kind of relate. but the average person on the railway is finding it really hard. >> it's annoying because >> i think it's annoying because there a of people there are a lot of people stranded various stranded in like various different but then at different cities, but then at the same time, if they're striking, it means they striking, it means that they don't lot of pay. so they don't have a lot of pay. so they might more of this money. might need more of this money. but i don't think people have really thought about the people that get the that really want to get the trains around to trains out of go around to places . places. >> so that's the view from

people here in cleethorpes. mixed opinions there, but a lot of people saying that they want an end to these rail strikes now. and the rmt are saying the same thing. let's hope it doesn't drag on into christmas. like you said earlier. and that agreement can be made to the rail working as normal rail is working back as normal and passengers aren't stuck in it as they are at the moment. >> well, anna rani, thanks for joining from cleethorpes. it joining us from cleethorpes. it looks wonderful and looks wonderful up there. and i know the best fish know they do the best fish suppers in britain. a shame people can't get there the people can't get there on the train. anna, do think train. but anna, i do think you're right. think we'll be you're right. i think we'll be having conversation again having this conversation again at grinch. at christmas. mick the grinch. lynch the it's like home lynch the return. it's like home alone you're watching and alone two, you're watching and listening to gb news saturday with martin lots with me. martin daubney. lots more today's show. more coming up on today's show. but first, let's take a look at the weather jonathan. the weather with jonathan. >> are heating >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautour here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the

met office . despite some cloud met office. despite some cloud around this morning, many of us have seen some sunny intervals into afternoon it will into this afternoon and it will be a fairly fine end to the day as well the tending to as well. the cloud tending to melt into this evening, melt away into this evening, providing those clear intervals , though the mist and fog will be overnight, be returning overnight, particularly for particularly extensive for central areas of central eastern areas of england. we can't rule out england. but we can't rule out some elsewhere well . some patches elsewhere as well. we'll turning windier for the we'll be turning windier for the northern with we'll be turning windier for the northearound with we'll be turning windier for the northearound coastline. with we'll be turning windier for the northearound coastline. someh gales around coastline. some heavy outbursts rain as well heavy outbursts of rain as well . noticeably warmer night . and a noticeably warmer night here to previously, but here compared to previously, but elsewhere , staying up around 12, elsewhere, staying up around 12, 13 c as well. once that early mist and fog does clear its way off parts of england, wales and northern ireland should be a relatively fine day. some sunny spells developing into the afternoon, but the rain will be persisting the far north, persisting across the far north, pushing highlands. pushing into the highlands. but come will turn come the afternoon it will turn generally lighter patchy. come the afternoon it will turn genystilly lighter patchy. come the afternoon it will turn genystill withiter patchy. come the afternoon it will turn genystill with those patchy. come the afternoon it will turn genystill with those gusty hy. come the afternoon it will turn genystill with those gusty winds but still with those gusty winds around, that will hold temperatures back in the northwest. elsewhere , northwest. but elsewhere, pleasantly warm, 26 c in the south—east, even 23 c for parts of aberdeen . high pressure stays of aberdeen. high pressure stays with us into the new working

week. we've still got this lingering front in the far north. and how the north. and notice how the isobars also squeezing isobars are also squeezing together across together a bit more across the west country. so quite breezy around coastal here, around coastal lines here, but for us it will be for many of us it will be a pleasantly warm summer's day and a amount of sunshine . we'll a good amount of sunshine. we'll hold a lot that hold on to a lot of that sunshine into the forth coming week as well. and temperatures will continuing slide will also be continuing to slide up 20s possible in up the high 20s possible in places wednesday, places towards wednesday, perhaps even 30 c . perhaps even 30 c. >> looks like things are heating up . boxed boilers proud sponsors up. boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. thank of weather on. gb news. thank you very much jonathan live on the outfit touch the old rick astley's going on there. >> still ahead on gb news as kids get ready to go back to school, many parents will be struggling to afford uniforms and but find out and supplies. but we'll find out how are making ends meet how parents are making ends meet in of living crisis. in the cost of living crisis. all that and more come. all of that and more to come. i'm and this is i'm martin daubney and this is gb news, britain's news

britain's news. channel one madison in the gb newsroom. >> our top story , there are >> our top story, there are calls for transparency following fears public sites are at risk of collapsing because of aerated concrete. that's after the department for education told more than 100 schools and colleges to partially or fully close building codes as students prepare to return to class, labouris prepare to return to class, labour is demanding an urgent audh labour is demanding an urgent audit rail passengers are facing more disruption as train drivers take part in their latest

strike. up to 20,000 rmt union members at 14 tour operators have walked out over pay and conditions. meanwhile members of the train drivers union aslef, who were on picket lines yesterday are refusing to work overtime today . tributes are overtime today. tributes are being paid to former harrods owner mohamed al—fayed , who died owner mohamed al—fayed, who died at the age of 94. the family of the egyptian born businessman who also owned fulham fc for 16 years says he passed away peacefully of old age . on its peacefully of old age. on its site, fulham posted, we owe mohamed a debt of gratitude and the government is looking at ways to make botox safer amid concerns about subpar procedures. it's launched an eight week consultation with industry professionals and the pubuc industry professionals and the public comes as an estimated 900,000 botox injections are carried out in the uk each year . you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com. now let's get back to . martin

get back to. martin >> thank you . raman welcome back >> thank you. raman welcome back to gb news. saturday with me, martin daubney on your tv , martin daubney on your tv, onune martin daubney on your tv, online and on your digital radio. now, with the average cost of a new school uniform now at around 2 to £300, many families will be struggling to afford shop prices this year. clothes banks have been set up across the country to help struggling families to cope. our northwest of england reporter sophie reaper went to one in warrington to meet some of the parents affected by rising costs as the start of another school year approaches , some will mourn year approaches, some will mourn the end of summer, while others will celebrate pupils returning to the classroom . to the classroom. >> but for many parents, up and down the uk, the start of september will mean fresh finance concerns as the prospect of affording a brand new school

uniform becomes a grim reality . uniform becomes a grim reality. >> it is an expensive time and it can be stressful with the cost of living as it is at the moment and being a single parent of two. it is a costly time to buy all the uniform that they both will need for primary school and high school. >> i met estelle at a uniform bankin >> i met estelle at a uniform bank in warrington. >> she'd come in to try and get some items for her daughter ahead of the new school year. >> i asked her what she thought of the preconception options that often come with accepting this kind of help. >> i don't think there should be any stigma really, because it's something that should be available to everybody and people all classes and walks people of all classes and walks of life because it is very helpful and even though i do work full time myself, i am a single parent of two and it is hard trying to provide everything that they're going to need for school and also in everyday life, whether it's a blazer, a pe kit, shirts, pants

, shoes, even just some new socks. >> the cost of a brand new school uniform all adds up and that's why for parents who might be struggling, uniform banks like this one could lend a helping hand average uniform for a child is 2 to £300. >> you know, we're here for everyone. it's not just for people who might be foodbank service users. like i say, you know, the cost of living crisis is hitting everybody on just one day here this week , they gave day here this week, they gave out almost 200 items of uniform , both generic and branded to specific local schools . specific local schools. >> but as costs go up, it's become harder than ever for parents to manage this annual expense. >> about 18 months ago, there was there was some legislation passed in parliament regarding the rebranding of school uniform i >> -- >> and for me, i think that's that's an essential movement forward. you know, children and

their families are forced to buy this uniform. otherwise they're kind of ostracised from from their school statutory guidance does exist to limit the price of schoolwear. >> but as the cost of living crisis continues to bite , many crisis continues to bite, many families may be forced to turn to their local uniform bank this september . to their local uniform bank this september. sophie reaper gb news is that's a really emotional report that and it should be a really happy time of year. >> my kids are going back to school now, but my missus works in a school and i know that a lot the most impoverished lot of the most impoverished children and they have ragged outfits the amazing thing outfits and the amazing thing is at end year, there's at the end of each year, there's an anniversary. put an anniversary. they put the lost free and lost property up for free and the parents won't take it because too proud, because they're too proud, proud. i with that proud. and i agree with that point made in the video. there are many uniforms are are so many uniforms are specially have specially made. they have an embroidered they're so embroidered badge and they're so expensive. we just expensive. why can't we just have general uniforms you have general uniforms where you just iron a patch on or something and save parents money? because it's a

heartbreaking of year where heartbreaking time of year where it makes parents feel ashamed if they their they can't provide for their children, should be a happy children, it should be a happy time. it's a really emotive topic. okay, lots of you been getting the getting in touch on some of the other we've been asking other topics we've been asking about today ulez paul says about today on ulez paul says this why do the left keep referring the so—called referring to the so—called climate talking climate crisis when talking about ulez? the two are not the same . sadiq khan his ulez same. sadiq khan and his ulez compliant range rover probably burns more fossil fuel and emits more co2 than most of the family cars that are not compliant . and cars that are not compliant. and no fan of sadiq. there is paul on the crooked pub, paul says . a on the crooked pub, paul says. a different ball. if all those people thought the pub was so fantastic, then why didn't they use it? the pub was closed because no one went there. well paul because no one went there. well paul, i'm hoping that the marvel rebuilding by paul and dawn , who rebuilding by paul and dawn, who we spoke to earlier, will help just drive publicity and make that pub once again a hub of the community. and again, on the cricket pub, paul says this, you know, the bricks for the crooked house can still be reused even

though they date back to seven 1865, more than can be said for the rack crumbling concrete of the rack crumbling concrete of the 1960s. paul a great point. we were saying that earlier . a we were saying that earlier. a lot of the old victorian schools are still standing strong. they've outlived some of the concrete monstrosities on heart attacks. sue says after three weeks of jaw pain , i thought it weeks of jaw pain, i thought it was wind, but i went to the doctors and i was having a heart attack. i would never have thought that jaw pain was a symptom heart attack. i had symptom of heart attack. i had a stent and i've now fully recovered. well, best of british to you, sue. i hope you get well and have a long and prosperous life energy , john says. life on green energy, john says. myself and my wife must live in one of the coldest draughty houses in the country. we must break all the green rules. but spending a winter in prison would be a luxury. so bring on the stupid green rules, please . the stupid green rules, please. rishi. john, of course, is saying he'd rather go to jail than pay a 15 grand green levy. well, that's a strong take. keep those views coming in. you're

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the people's. channel >> welcome back to gb news saturday with myself. martin daubney on your tv online, and of course, on your digital radio. thanks for listening and watching french president watching. okay. french president macron has given local authorities in france the power to apply a punitive 60% council tax surcharge on second homes in the country and, of course, an estimated 86,000 of france's second home owners are brits . so second home owners are brits. so there are plenty of british people with homes on the continent who are about to be slapped with a massive french bill. well, joining me now is journalist david chazan, an excellent contributor to the channel. so, first of all, david, can you talk us through the kind of intricacy of the regime of tax itself? because i understand that the first home in france is exempt from council tax , which seems great. but tax, which seems great. but then, of course, second home owners are being penalised . owners are being penalised. >> that's absolutely right. this was one of president macron's

flagship policies when he first came to office back in 2017. and he promised that most french people would be exempt from what we would think of as council taxes, but not second home owners. so why not second home owners? there's about 3 million of them in france , including of them in france, including some or an estimated 86,000 britons based . hinckley. britons based. hinckley. >> they're a soft target. >> they're a soft target. >> nobody's going to feel sorry for people who've got enough money to afford a second home, second home owners are not the kind of people who are going to stage the street protests , which stage the street protests, which are so common in france. so this is a way of raising money. how much is it actually going to go up? well, by a minimum of 7.1, this year across the country . this year across the country. and local councils have been given discretionary powers to

put on an additional surcharge , put on an additional surcharge, which could be anything from 5 to 60. >> so this could be bad for news some people. and it now applies to rural areas as well as to towns and villages. so even if you own a home somewhere way out in the middle of the country countryside , this could still countryside, this could still apply countryside, this could still apply to you . apply to you. >> okay, david, before we start saying too much that macron is having a pop at the brits, it's quite similar actually, to plans proposed in britain. people in places like devon and cornwall are getting quite fed up of second home owners. is this more of a wealth stealth tax, do you think ? think? >> well , it is think? >> well, it is a bit of a stealth tax in some respects, but it also responds to a growing feeling among people in areas that are very popular with second home owners , whether

second home owners, whether those second home owners come from paris or lyon or from london or from elsewhere in the uk. in many areas, they are simply not popular. >> why? because these locals feel that they drive house pnces feel that they drive house prices too high, make them unaffordable for local people. >> so they're quite happy to see the government doing this . the government doing this. >> okay, david, on to the broader topic of macron's opinion of britain. he seems no fan of us in terms of stemming the tide of illegal immigration. he seems no fan of us in terms of hammering us on fishing deals. do you think there's anything in this idea that macron just doesn't like britain in personally , i don't believe in personally, i don't believe that, no. >> but i think what macron does not like is brexit. and he feels that the uk must bear the consequences of brexit. they voted in his eyes. they voted to

leave the eu. and if there are consequences, well, so be it. and one of those consequences does actually affect second home owners here. yeah, because if you're a british second home owner under the post—brexit rules, you can spend no more than 90 days out of every 180. in your second home. so for people who wanted to save retired people who wanted to spend a considerable portion of the year in their second homes in france , that's now not only in france, that's now not only more expensive lviv, but also more expensive lviv, but also more difficult in terms of fishing. i think macron is trying to defend the belief the french fishing industry , it's french fishing industry, it's been facing a lot of problems, a lot of french fishermen have been saying they're going out of business and so on. so he sees his role as the french president to defend them rather than to look out for the interests of british fishermen. that's

certainly true. and on illegal immigration, ian? well, britain, as you know, pays millions of pounds a year to the french to help police the border, to try to stop people crossing in small boats . but they still keep boats. but they still keep coming . coming. >> and the french say that they even with all this money that's being pumped in by the uk , it's being pumped in by the uk, it's impossible to police this very long coastline and to stop all all the small boats putting out. >> so. >> so. >> okay, david, all of these issues are going to continue to be a source of disagreement. okay david chazan, i'm going to have to cut you short there. fascinating insight from france .thank fascinating insight from france . thank joining us today . thank you for joining us today on gb news. well, lots of you have getting in touch on have been getting in touch on the topics we'll be discussing on the show. so far are on green energy. says this have energy. david says this jcb have now fitted their now successfully fitted their new onto new hydrogen engine onto a mercedes sprinter van. this is without a doubt the sensible future. trouble is, we're giving far too much money in subsidies

to electrify generation on ulez. richard says this ulez is a highway robbery tax and nothing to do with clean air. i'm surprised penalty collection team don't ride around on horses like dick turpin. richard do you have a very active imagination there on electric vehicles ? as there on electric vehicles? as bas says, this ? martin, please bas says, this? martin, please address the elephant in the room in regards to the recycling cycling of electric vehicles , cycling of electric vehicles, the energy and the environmental damage has not been taken into consideration . an electric consideration. an electric vehicles are an environmental catastrophe, just waiting to happen. well, bas again , in happen. well, bas again, in strong words. well put another point from gareth on rac the concrete there is this is not the government's fault . all the government's fault. all buildings and public and private sector are affected. it is the engineers and construction industry who are to blame. so keep your robust views, please . keep your robust views, please. coming in now as more people turn to electric cars , a gaping

turn to electric cars, a gaping hole is appearing in the treasury as fewer people are paying treasury as fewer people are paying fuel duty, of course, to fill this gap in the finances are consultancy advising the government says more toll roads should be brought in. another suggestion was to simply increase income tax and road tax. so thanks to us being greener and saving the planet, the population has to foot the bill. well, joining me now is motoring journalist , the legend motoring journalist, the legend quentin wills . and quentin, good quentin wills. and quentin, good afternoon to you. thanks for joining us on the show. no surprises, really, quentin. we're looking at a £35 billion black hole in the treasury over the next few decades. thanks to the next few decades. thanks to the boom in electric and hybrid vehicles. so of course, they're going to have to squeeze the pips going to have to squeeze the pips out of us in different ways i >> -- >> well , we've been talking >> well, we've been talking about road charging since 1964. and every government has said, no, we're not thinking about that now. >> it's a ten years away because it's a political hand grenade,

so they don't want to do it. >> and after ulez, i think it's become even more difficult. so we will have this hole in our in our budget and fuel duty is, as you say, 35 billion, including ved. >> so how do we plug it? well, i think toll roads are going to be really difficult to do in the uk because we're not very good at infrastructure. we tried to build a railway recently that didn't go very well and it would just cause congestion by you just cause congestion by if you if you put tolls on, on, on the, the strategic road network motorways, then people are just going to use the, the smaller roads and then it's going to cause much more congestion the way as you said in your intro, is to about putting a few is to think about putting a few pence on income tax. now, if you look at how much each family spends each household in terms of fuel duty, every year, it's about £850 as a percentage of personal income. so if you were to put a few pence on income tax, they would probably end up

it would cost them less than they're paying right now with fuel duty and ved. so we've got to think strategically about this. but one thing's for sure, any government who tries now to bnngin any government who tries now to bring in road pricing, any government who tries now to bring in road pricing , it could bring in road pricing, it could potentially bring them down. so we need to have a proper conversation about filling this gap and also making our roads more reliable, maintaining them properly and actually understanding that they are a tool for growth that we can't as a society expand and start making making a decent gdp if we've got a road system that crumbles to the touch . crumbles to the touch. >> quentin ulez clean air zones tolls pay by the mile, cctv cameras coming out of our ear holes, where's the incentive for people to sign up to electric vehicles if they're going to buy a car? and then anyway get taxed on their income tax quickly, please ? please? >> well, look , electric cars are >> well, look, electric cars are much, much , much cheaper to run. much, much, much cheaper to run. i mean , sort of 5 to 6 per mile.

i mean, sort of 5 to 6 per mile. i've spent £120 over three years and 36,000 miles maintaining my car . that's £40 a year. so and 36,000 miles maintaining my car. that's £40 a year. so apart from that, then there's the clean air benefits, which i know your audience doesn't really isn't really bothered by. but we have to understand that we can't carry on buying diesel petrol from monopolistic regimes who just raise the prices higher and higher and then as we saw at the ukraine, it it becomes a real drag on the economy that that old tech it has to stop. we can't carry on burning what we've always burned . we've always burned. >> okay, quentin, we have to leave it there. thanks for joining us on gb news today. you're watching. and listen to gb news saturday with me, martin daubney coming up daubney loads more coming up on today's show. but first, let's take the weather with jonathan. >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello there . i'm jonathan >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the

met office. despite some cloud around this morning, many of us have seen some sunny intervals into this afternoon and it will be a fairly fine end to the day as well. the cloud tending to melt away into evening, melt away into this evening, providing clear intervals providing those clear intervals , and fog will , though the mist and fog will be overnight, be returning overnight, particularly for particularly extensive for central eastern areas of england. but we can't rule out some patches elsewhere as well. we'll windier the we'll be turning windier for the northern though, with northern scotland though, with gales coastline, some gales around coastline, some heavy as well. heavy outbursts of rain as well. and noticeably warmer nights here to previous lee. here compared to previous lee. but elsewhere staying around but elsewhere staying up around 12, 13 c as well. once that early mist and fog does clear its way off parts of england, wales and northern ireland should be a relatively fine day. some sunny spells developing into but rain into the afternoon, but the rain will persisting across the will be persisting across the far into the far north, pushing into the highlands but the highlands. but come the afternoon will turn generally afternoon it will turn generally lighter and patchy . but still lighter and patchy. but still with gusty winds around , with those gusty winds around, that will hold temperatures back in but elsewhere, in the northwest. but elsewhere, pleasantly warm , 26 c in the pleasantly warm, 26 c in the southeast, even 23 c for parts of aberdeen . high pressure stays of aberdeen. high pressure stays with us into the new working

week. we've still got this lingering front the far lingering front in the far north. notes the isobars north. a notes how the isobars are squeezing together a are also squeezing together a bit across the west bit more across the west country. so quite breezy around coastal here. but for many coastal lines here. but for many of it will a pleasantly of us it will be a pleasantly warm and good warm summer's day and a good amount sunshine. hold amount of sunshine. we'll hold on lot of that sunshine on to a lot of that sunshine into the forth coming week as well. temperatures will also well. and temperatures will also be the be continuing to slide up the high possible in places high 20s possible in places towards perhaps even towards wednesday, perhaps even 30 c . 30 c. >> looks like things are heating up . boxed boilers, proud up. boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. thank you very much for that update jonathan. >> still to come on today's show, the ulez counter attack is on london. mayor sadiq khan has had to deploy vans to stop vigil . antis called blade runners attacking ulez cameras around london. so i'll be asking, has ulez been a success or a complete catastrophe? all of that and more to come. i'm martin and this is gb news, britain's news channel. >> join me camilla tominey at

9.30 on sunday morning when i'll be speaking to bridget phillipson the shadow education secretary, about the state of britain's crumbling schools . britain's crumbling schools. i'll also be speaking to danny kruger, the of a new kruger, the leader of a new conservative, a breakaway group about party's problems, and about the party's problems, and ailsa

good afternoon and welcome to gb news saturday. >> i'm martin daubney and for the next hour i'll be keeping you company on your television, onune you company on your television, online and on your digital radio. i'll keep you up to date on all stories really on all stories that really matter to you coming up this houn matter to you coming up this hour. more schools have hour. more than 100 schools have been partially or been ordered to partially or fully about fully close over fears about unsafe to unsafe concrete. but who is to blame for this engineering fiasco? then london mayor sadiq khan deploys vans after vigilantes called the blade runners cameras runners attack. ulez cameras around london. so i'll be asking the big question. has ulez been a success or a complete catastrophe for the government? and every teenager in britain could be automatically signed up to a civil national service. is this the best way to keep britain's youth on the straight and narrow? i think it's a great idea. so please do get in touch. send me your thoughts on gbviews@gbnews.com or message me, of course, on our socials . me, of course, on our socials. we're at gb news. the first is news headlines with . ray

news headlines with. ray >> thanks, martin. good afternoon. one minute past to our top stories this hour. there are calls for transparency following fears that public sites are at risk of collapsing because of air rated concrete. that's after the department for education told more than 100 schools and colleges to partially or fully close buildings as students prepare to return to class. it's estimated around 24 schools have been to told close in england so far , told close in england so far, but that figure is yet to be confirmed . experts are warning confirmed. experts are warning the danger could extend to include health care buildings , include health care buildings, courts and offices . labour include health care buildings, courts and offices. labour is demanding an urgent audit. the lib dems say the prime minister must take responsibility and call a cobra meeting to put into place urgent safeguards . rail place urgent safeguards. rail passengers are facing more disruption today as train drivers take part in their

latest strike. up to 20,000 rmt union members at 14 operators have walked out over pay and conditions . meanwhile, members conditions. meanwhile, members of the train drivers union aslef, who were on picket lines yesterday , they're refusing to yesterday, they're refusing to work overtime today. rmt general secretary mick lynch told us earlier he's hopeful for next week's negotiations . week's negotiations. >> we go into those talks with an attitude and a disposition to try and get an agreement, but there are some serious issues as most people know now. we don't want to be on strike. we rather much, much rather be earning a living and running the service for the people who need to use it. so hopefully if we can get a different mindset next week , we different mindset next week, we can get some progress . can get some progress. >> tributes are being paid to former harrods owner mohamed al—fayed , who died at the age of al—fayed, who died at the age of 94. the family of the egyptian born businessman man who also owned fulham fc for 16 years, says he passed away peacefully of old age on its site. fulham

posted we owe mohamed a debt of gratitude. former spokesperson for mr al—fayed , michael cole for mr al—fayed, michael cole told us why he was so special, mean, highly controversial. >> of course . but those people >> of course. but those people who actually knew him , who who actually knew him, who worked for him, who were his customers, who were the fans of his football club and the many, many , many people who were many, many people who were beneficiaries of his kindness and generosity . they are without and generosity. they are without number, i can assure you . number, i can assure you. >> the police federation of england and wales is urging the home secretary not to use policing as a quote , political policing as a quote, political football. the body which represents the professions rank and file, is suggesting the government wants its members to act like robots. that's after suella braverman commissioned a review into activism and impartiality in the force . now, impartiality in the force. now, she says, it can damage public confidence and officers should focus on tackling crime in the government is looking at ways to

make botox safer, amid concerns about subpar procedures. it's launched an eight week consultation with industry professionals and the public comes as an estimated £900,000 botox injections are carried out in the uk. each year. new regulations could include age limits for high risk procedures and a licencing scheme for practitioners. in england . practitioners. in england. ashton collins is the director of save face. that's a government approved register of accredited practitioners . she accredited practitioners. she told us people are making obvious mistakes . obvious mistakes. >> that's part of the problem is that people look to things like social media to find cheap deals and, you know, they assume that people are safe and regulated. and so they think the cheap deals are a bargain. but actually, most often people are cutting corners and these unwitting consumers think that they're getting a cheap deal and actually they end up having complications or and wanted outcomes . outcomes. >> well, in the united states, body cam footage has been released of a pregnant black

woman being shot by police in ohio . now, a warning for those ohio. now, a warning for those of you watching on television. in the footage we're about to show you includes the moments before and after her death . 21 before and after her death. 21 year old takiya young refused to leave her car after being accused of stealing and was seen moving her vehicle towards one of the officers. a single shot through the windshield killed the mother of two and her unborn daughter . a family lawyer says daughter. a family lawyer says her death was avoidable and is demanding the officers be held accountable. both have been placed on administrative leave while an investigation takes place . and finally, india has place. and finally, india has launched its first space based solar probe to study the sun . solar probe to study the sun. the aditya—l1 aims to study solar winds, which can cause disturbances on earth . it comes disturbances on earth. it comes just days after it became the first country to land a spacecraft on the unexplored

south pole of the moon . this is south pole of the moon. this is dup news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to . martin to. martin >> thanking you, raymundo. okay, let's get stuck now into today's big topics . the biggest story of big topics. the biggest story of this week, of course , is this week, of course, is concrete gate. more than 100 schools have been ordered to partially or fully closed over fears about concrete buildings collapsing. rhiannon forced autoclaved aerated concrete or rec. rac is a lightweight type of concrete with a lifespan typically of around 30 years. many buildings containing rec have now surpassed that timeline, putting them at risk of imminent collapse. and it's not just schools that might be affected, experts, experts warn the problem could impact other pubuc the problem could impact other public buildings like hospitals , police stations and courts .

, police stations and courts. but now the big question is who's to blame for this whole fiasco ? so i'm joined now by fiasco? so i'm joined now by political commentator benedict spence. good afternoon to you again, benedict, you've been across this since the start. now the blame game starts and it's quite clear who the left wing media are blaming. of course, they're saying can the tories not get anything right? government of failure. the i hundreds more schools, despite the fact ministers were warned in 2019, they claim benedict you and i both know that this was red flagged a long time before that.in red flagged a long time before that. in fact, 1995 was the first time concrete engineers brought up this dilemma. yet successive governments, including labour regimes, did nothing about it. who do you think benedict is to blame ? think benedict is to blame? >> i think this isn't sort of take the easy way out , but it take the easy way out, but it is, i think, sadly a fact of british political life that the culture, be it of the left or the right, actually nowadays, is to take the cheapest short term

opfion to take the cheapest short term option where possible . and, you option where possible. and, you know , this has already been know, this has already been said. why was why was this this product used specifically against over all others was light. it was easy to make easy to transport. and fundamentally it was cheap. it was about making things cheaply and quickly ultimately now we quickly and ultimately now we are paying the price for that. as you always do when you throw up buildings on the cheap. and i think we can blame the tories. i don't think it's fair to blame this cohort of tories this particular cohort of tories , know, you can blame , but you know, you can blame successive previous conservative governments you can blame governments and you can blame labour . you can also labour governments. you can also blame local authorities, be they laboun blame local authorities, be they labour, be the conservative, be they lib dem who were they even lib dem who were keen at just get at the time to just get buildings built. know, buildings built. you know, that's thing . when it comes that's the thing. when it comes to a question of what do you want, you public want, you want public infrastructure that and is infrastructure that lasts and is fit purpose , or do you want fit for purpose, or do you want something that fast and is something that is fast and is now, but ultimately will prove to expensive down the to be very expensive down the line often in country line too often in this country we the latter rather than we go for the latter rather than the former. so i think that if

there is blame to be apportioned, it is sort of a apportioned, it is a sort of a plague both houses plague on both your houses situation. why situation. you understand why left wing publications would be particularly to go in two particularly keen to go in two footed on tories. it helps footed on the tories. it helps the narrative, the that the the narrative, the idea that the government broadly failing at government is broadly failing at everything fact everything and also the fact of the matter is is almost the matter is this is almost certainly be something certainly going to be something that the labour government is going once upon a going to inherit and once upon a time government time the labour government might have a fortune have promised to spend a fortune on this issue, but it on fixing this issue, but it knows that it can't necessarily do that, it can't go out and spend out of out of spend its way out of out of trouble as it has often done in the because the money the past, because the money simply there. so it's simply isn't there. so it's going to need apportion the going to need to apportion the blame somebody when people going to need to apportion the blaiturning)mebody when people going to need to apportion the blaiturning aroundy when people going to need to apportion the blaiturning around saying, people going to need to apportion the blaiturning around saying, whyle are turning around saying, why haven't a new school? >> yeah. and do think that >> yeah. and do you think that that largely to blame for that is largely to blame for this kind of ahistorical revision, of revision, this blame game of blaming, on the most blaming, blaming it on the most recent the current recent regime, the current regime, because quite simply, recent regime, the current regimthe ecause quite simply, recent regime, the current regimthe tories quite simply, recent regime, the current regimthe tories got te simply, recent regime, the current regimthe tories got thatmply, recent regime, the current regimthe tories got that famous when the tories got that famous note from liam byrne saying there's no money left, the country was a mere £800 million in debt. now the labour party in

coming, staring down the barrel of £2.6 trillion in debt, a £100 million and rising at least to fix this problem. so they're trying to palm it off as the blame game because they're going to have a massive bill if they get into power for. >> i think so , although i think >> i think so, although i think right there, you've kind of hit the nail on the head by pointing out just how much public debt has grown under the tories. we were supposed we to were supposed we were led to believe that the tories were the government, the party of government, were the party of responsible fiscal responsibility, responsible economics, anything but, i'm afraid, the case under afraid, has been the case under this conservative government. it's the many reasons why it's one of the many reasons why it's one of the many reasons why i think so many conservative voters disillusioned it voters are disillusioned with it is don't see it as a is that they don't see it as a as a government that sticks to their their economic their sort of their economic principles actually , i'll principles, but actually, i'll be with you, think that be honest with you, i think that the have come out of the sounds that have come out of the sounds that have come out of the party over the last the labour party over the last couple of weeks and months . keir couple of weeks and months. keir starmer reluctant to commit couple of weeks and months. keir st.massive reluctant to commit couple of weeks and months. keir st.massive spending1t to commit couple of weeks and months. keir st.massive spending projects1mit to massive spending projects unless it's sort of very popular, say great british energy rachel reeves in the telegraph saying there's not going be magic money tree.

going to be a magic money tree. ministers have ministers are going to have to find if want to fund find cuts if they want to fund certain pet projects. wes streeting going in front of the king's and saying actually king's fund and saying actually the nhs the envy of the the nhs is not the envy of the world. we can't just our world. we can't just spend our way out trouble. it's going way out of trouble. it's going to reform. i think what to need reform. i think what you're is a real i you're seeing is a real i suspect that the labour party, they've figures, they've seen the figures, they know is like. know what the situation is like. they they can't they recognise that they can't go sort of the go back to the sort of the jeremy corbyn. let's just spend our way to happiness policy. they to be very careful they have to be very careful about really about this. they have to really tiptoe because lot of people tiptoe because a lot of people who who are sort of who will, who are sort of natural labour voters i think are find themselves are going to find themselves very disappointed when labour get oh get into power and realise, oh no, isn't any money no, there really isn't any money left to spend. >> yeah, i think you've hit the nail head. benedict nail on the head. benedict thanks joining us the thanks you for joining us on the show this afternoon. you know, when government when a labour party government gets in, if do win the gets in, if they do win the biscuit is going to be biscuit tin is going to be empty. the magic tree of empty. the magic money tree of course, burnt to the ground course, been burnt to the ground by lockdowns. highest tax by lockdowns. the highest tax revenue ii. and revenue since world war ii. and here we are. we have to spend money on vital infrastructure. we can't schools or

we can't not have schools or hospitals or prisons or cop shops. moving on now in the latest twist in the ulez saga, sadiq khan has sent ulez vans out to the newly expanded zone to fill gaps after vandals called the blade runners attacked enforcement cameras across london. well, tfl now uses 20 vehicles to catch drivers after a massive increase in criminal damage and theft of those ulez cameras and infrastructure activists claim to have destroyed, defaced or stolen almost 600 cameras in the past few weeks. and that's escalated in this past week since it came in on tuesday. it's been a bumpy , rather bumpy, it's been a bumpy, rather bumpy, you could say. first week of ulez for sadiq khan, hasn't it ? ulez for sadiq khan, hasn't it? well, joining me now is the director of the climate media coalition, donald mccarthy, and social policy analyst dr. raqib hassan. could i start with you, please ? donica it's come in. please? donica it's come in. there's been mass resistance .

there's been mass resistance. there's been mass resistance. there's been, in fact, civil disobedience in terms of the destruction of property figures out today showed there's been no decline whatsoever in congestion. qed there's been no decline in pollution . this is decline in pollution. this is simply taxation, isn't it? masquerading as salvation ? masquerading as salvation? >> if it was taxation solely, then the mayor wouldn't be providing. between 2000 and 9500 pounds to help drivers disabled and londoners across the outer london to replace their cars. this is about asthma. it's about pollution. >> the mayor is an asthmatic. >> the mayor is an asthmatic. >> he understands that london has 500,000 people suffering from asthma. he understands that 12 kids a year are dying from asthma, and he understands that london has sorry, britain has the highest mortality rate for child asthma in europe. so this is a good week for those kids. and actually , the positive thing and actually, the positive thing about this week is 15,000 people appued about this week is 15,000 people applied for the scrappage grant in the week prior to the launch

of ulez. so a really good week for the for people suffering from lung disease and asthma in london. >> okay . some of that data you >> okay. some of that data you just put forward there has been contested . sadiq khan said 4000 contested. sadiq khan said 4000 deaths per year have been caused by poor air, an actual fact raqeeb and foi came out. there's been one death in 20 years and even then it's impossible to pin on to vehicle pollution crossing to raqeeb now, please, please cross into is wrong. i'm crossing to raqeeb now. okay. i'm crossing to raqeeb now. raqeeb quite simply, mayor khan has been called up on a lot of his science over this past week in terms of how he's used those stats. he claimed also one thing that only 10% of vehicles would pay that only 10% of vehicles would pay for yet an rac foi proved it was more than 25. how unpopular do you think this policy has proven to be, particularly those in outer london? >> well, i think there's no doubt that compared to inner

london, there's a this considerable opposition to the ulez expansion zone, and i think we saw that. martin when it came to the uxbridge and south ruislip by—election a by—election, that labour should have won but failed to gain that seat. and i think that was largely because of strong local opposition to ulez expansion in the outer boroughs . now, of the outer boroughs. now, of course we would all want to see a more environmentally friendly london and the other speaker quite rightly talks about the benefits of cleaner air, especially when it comes to young children with respiratory issues . and you're looking at issues. and you're looking at ulez. there's been a house of commons library report which said that at best it would have a positive , minor impact . but a positive, minor impact. but when it comes to health outcomes for londoners. so i think there was a lot of data there, which is somewhat contradictory and i think that many people will feel that this is a move which was

top down. it's more top down in position. i think there are questions to be asked and i'll be very interested to hear what the other speaker that the other speaker thinks that whether a broad based whether this was a broad based grassroots consultation process or is this more top down imposition of eco initiatives which fails to command an effective public support? >> okay, donna , would you like >> okay, donna, would you like to answer that? yeah yeah, very clearly. >> all everything . the opinion >> all everything. the opinion poll in london has shown that a majority of londoners favour ulez expansion. they favour ulez because we appreciate clean air. the majority of people voted for that. even in uxbridge, which people talk about just because of our first past the post system, the majority, the majority of voters voted for the parties are pro ulez. majority of voters voted for the parties are pro ulez . there was parties are pro ulez. there was a massive swing of around 5 or £6000, 5 or 6000 voters from the ulez party to the and from the pro from the anti ulez to party the pro ulez party. so it is popular in london, the majority, despite the massive media attack on it . but actually

despite the massive media attack on it. but actually i think maybe dr. ehsan and myself may agree on something which is the attack on the poor over the last ten years. >> people in outer london, poorer people out of london have faced above inflation increases demanded by the tory government for their commuter trips into central london. >> the tory, the tories in london opposed the fare freeze by sadiq khan on for londoners and they've imposed a cut a massive cut on free travel for pensioners in outer london on tfl morning services. so there has been a massive attack on the poor by by the tory government on people trying to travel into central london, but against those poorer people, 80% of who don't own cars , which is being don't own cars, which is being hit . hit. >> i'd like to interject there, but it's the both of you, actually. sadiq khan commissioned his own report in 2022 into the positive and negative impacts of ulez and of 38 examined. there were only five positive impacts. bear in mind he paid for this report. this was his own report. and the

most finding was that ulez would have a disproportionate financial impact on people with low incomes. the disabled and young families . these are young families. these are precisely the kinds of people raqeeb who can't afford a new car and they have to suck up £12.5 car and they have to suck up £125 a day just to travel around and go to work. >> absolutely. and i think that the mayor, when it comes to engaging with those concerns, for example, he referred to opposition to ulez , looking to opposition to ulez, looking to associate that with far right political activism . i don't political activism. i don't think that's constructive and entirely helpful. you've had the intergovernmental panel on climate change at the un expressed reservations in terms of this being, you know, questioning to what degree did we have a proper public consultation process before ulez expansion in professor jim expansion in professorjim squire , who's the head of that squire, who's the head of that particular organisation , action particular organisation, action within the un , he did also make within the un, he did also make the point that people on lower incomes, they may not find the

capital to pay to upgrade to cleaner vehicles . so there are cleaner vehicles. so there are discussions to be had in terms of how much public support can be provided and how we can incentivise the purchase of cleaner vehicles. but i think a broader think this broader point, and i think this is that roger hallam, is something that roger hallam, who founded extinction rebellion, said the rebellion, even he said that the ulez expansion scheme was regressive . so i think that we regressive. so i think that we need to have a debate about how these kind of eco initiatives, how we can have proper public consultation and how their their impact can be reduced in terms of having those negative effects on lower income groups inside. >> okay. donegall let me quickly put that previous point to you. sadiq khan's own report, the most finding of all was that ulez would have a disproportionate financial impact on people with low incomes , the disabled and young incomes, the disabled and young families. what do you say to that? sadiq khan's finding that? sadiq khan's own finding said that 80% of poor londoners do not have a car and they suffer a pollution. >> diseases at a rate seven times higher than the richer londoners. both if you care

about the poor of londoners , about the poor of londoners, would you not come support my call for the restoration of free travel for pensioners and b the restoration of the fare free for commuters from outer london into central london. most of poor people in london use public transport and we pay the highest transport and we pay the highest transport fares in the world, insisted by the tory government. would you both of them support the poor in having fair fares in london? >> yeah, but i'm it's also true to say it's also true to say that we have two london's we have a central donelan we have a central london with great public transport. we have an outer london where ulez has just been just been expanded to which doesn't have that kind of transport. and that is why the backlash in in outer london has been greater. yeah, 70% of people in outer poorer people in outer london not have a car. >> do you support the restoration of the fare freeze and do you support free travel for pensioners? again, raqeeb do you not?

>> i think that the one thing that i support is significant upgrades to public transport systems generally, and i think that's why you're looking at a great deal of opposition in outer boroughs such as bromley and bexley. and the reality is in uxbridge , in south ruislip, in uxbridge, in south ruislip, some of those areas to be these aren't deeply urbanised areas. i'd even describe some of them as i think the as semi—rural. so i think the point here is that if you want to reduce car ownership, you need provide attractive need to provide attractive alternatives that's alternatives. whether that's incentivising the purchase of cleaner significant cleaner vehicles, significant upgrades to our public transportation system , even transportation system, even fostering spaces which fostering greener spaces which are more pleasant to walk in and on top of that, maybe restore a high trust. neighbourhood police model which has been gutted out , quite frankly, in many parts of the country , not just london. of the country, not just london. so people still safer when it comes to walking our streets . comes to walking our streets. >> okay, gentlemen, we're going to it there. thank to have to leave it there. thank you varied and balanced you for a varied and balanced input. dr. raqeeb ahsan and of course, donaghy mccarthy, thank input. dr. raqeeb ahsan and of course, joining|y mccarthy, thank input. dr. raqeeb ahsan and of course, joining us iiccarthy, thank input. dr. raqeeb ahsan and of course, joining us on arthy, thank input. dr. raqeeb ahsan and of course, joining us on the y, thank input. dr. raqeeb ahsan and of course, joining us on the great1k you for joining us on the great ulez debate. keep views ulez debate. keep your views coming in. have a statement

coming in. we have a statement we to read from sadiq we have to read out from sadiq khan, on the crimes khan, spokesperson on the crimes relating cameras . and relating to ulez cameras. and it's as follows. the only people to blame for valuable police time and resources being wasted deaung time and resources being wasted dealing with ulez camera vandals are those who are taking part in this criminal activity and anyone irresponsible enough to encourage them. okay, moving on now. local residents near the former crooked house pub site , former crooked house pub site, which burnt down, of course, a locking the bricks salvaged from the building in containers as part of their campaign to rebuild the pub brick by brick , rebuild the pub brick by brick, they will hold a locking ceremony and the local mp is expected to attend. well, our midlands reporter will hollis joins us now from dudley. hello again to you will inspire ring talk last time low levels motivated to protect this cherished building. tell us what's the latest . what's the latest. >> yes. well this story has resonated with people not just in britain , but across the

in britain, but across the world. everybody has a version of a wonky pub, whether it's a castle or a monument. but for the people here in dudley and the people here in dudley and the west midlands in the black country , three, this is their country, three, this is their heritage . and when it was seen heritage. and when it was seen gutted by a fire and then demolished, it really upset people. now where we're at today is those bricks from the britain's wonky pub, the crooked house have been locked away in the container behind. and one of the container behind. and one of the people that's been responsible for ensuring that those bricks are here for the future, hopefully to rebuild your pub is rob . rob, just tell your pub is rob. rob, just tell me, what does it mean that these bncks me, what does it mean that these bricks are away in these containers and there's locks for both the contractors, but also your community group as well? well them to well they're ready for them to rebuild and that's what we're aiming at. >> and we're not going to stop until that pub gets rebuilt. you've been actually on the site on the outside of the barricades as camp wonky, you call it, and you've been staying in your van for the last couple of weeks, 24

hours, pretty much. >> you've even got a bed in there. why was it so important for you to do that, to make sure that nobody shouldn't be that nobody who shouldn't be going that site goes going into that site goes into it, but because it's our kids futures, heritage are heritage. >> our culture, we need to keep it to much has been knocked down. green belts, everything. why knock it down? it's been a years and years , as it sounds to years and years, as it sounds to me, that because of what's happenedis me, that because of what's happened is you don't have a lot of trust. >> i imagine it's the same with everybody that's here in this campaign. why don't you have that trust? campaign. why don't you have tha werst? campaign. why don't you have tha we just don't trust them. we >> we just don't trust them. we don't trust the councils . we don't trust the councils. we didn't trust the contractors when they come in. but they have proven us wrong to be fair, they've done a cracking job being careful with everything they've handled and we're quite happy with them . but the still happy with them. but the still that element of trust , it is a that element of trust, it is a long story . long story. >> putting these bricks away. that's, i suppose , the end to that's, i suppose, the end to this chapter. rob, thank you so

much for talking to us this afternoon on gb news. there is a police investigator section into afternoon on gb news. there is a polic yeah. will, thank you for joining us from camp wonky. i love that name. and please pass on my regards to bob and also paul and dawn who were there earlier. i think what's happening here from the fire this phoenix of community spirit is rising. it really puts it really warms my cockles. thank you so much. okay. you're watching and listening to gb news saturday with me, martin daubney. more coming up yet daubney. tons more coming up yet on today's show. first, on today's show. but first, let's take look at your let's take a look at your weather with jonathan. >> temperatures rising , boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office despite some cloud around this morning, many of us have seen some sunny intervals into this afternoon and it will

be a fairly fine end to the day as well. the cloud tending to melt away into this evening, providing intervals providing those clear intervals , and fog will , though the mist and fog will be overnight, be returning overnight, particularly extensive for central eastern areas of england. but we can't rule out some patches elsewhere well . some patches elsewhere as well. we'll windier for we'll be turning windier for the northern though, northern scotland though, with gales coastline, gales around coastline, some heavy as well. heavy outbursts of rain as well. and notably warmer nights here compared previously. but compared to previously. but elsewhere, up around 12 elsewhere, staying up around 12 13 c as well. once that early mist and fog does clear its way off, parts of england, wales and northern ireland should be a relatively fine day. some sunny spells into the spells developing into the afternoon, but the rain will be persisting the north, persisting across the far north, pushing into the highlands. but come it will turn come the afternoon it will turn generally lighter and patchy. but with those gusty winds but still with those gusty winds around , that will hold around, that will hold temperatures back in the northwest , but elsewhere, northwest, but elsewhere, pleasantly warm , 26 c in the pleasantly warm, 26 c in the southeast, even 23 c for parts of aberdeen. high pressure stays with us into the new working week. we've still got this lingering the far lingering front in the far north. and notice how the isobars are also squeezing

together a bit more across the west country. quite breezy west country. so quite breezy around here. but around coastal lines here. but for us it will be for many of us it will be a pleasantly summer's day and pleasantly warm summer's day and a amount sunshine. we'll a good amount of sunshine. we'll hold a lot of that hold on to a lot of that sunshine into the coming sunshine into the forth coming week well. and temperatures week as well. and temperatures will also be continuing slide will also be continuing to slide up possible in up the high 20s possible in places wednesday, places towards wednesday, perhaps even 30 c . perhaps even 30 c. >> the temperatures rising , boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> thank you very much, jonathan. are you dressed for a cocktail? lots more coming up on today's show, including has this been one of the wettest summers in british history? the answer is yes. i'll be finding out why the so the weather has been so treacherous. and treacherous. all of that and more i'm martin daubney more to come. i'm martin daubney and this

britain's news. channel >> 2:31. i'm ray addison in the newsroom. our top stories . there newsroom. our top stories. there are calls for transparency following fears that public sites are at risk of collapsing because of aerated concrete . because of aerated concrete. after the department for education told more than 100 schools and colleges to partially or fully close buildings. labour is demanding an urgent audit, while the lib dems described it as a national emergency , which warrants an emergency, which warrants an immediate cobra meeting . rail immediate cobra meeting. rail passengers are facing more disruption as train drivers take part in their latest strike

after 20,000 rmt union members . after 20,000 rmt union members. 14 operators have walked out over pay and conditions. meanwhile members of the train drivers union aslef f who were on picket lines yesterday are refusing to work overtime today . the police federation of england and wales is urging the home secretary not to use policing as a political football. the body which represents the professions rank and file, is suggesting the government wants its members to , quote, act like robots . that's , quote, act like robots. that's after suella braverman commissioned a review into activism and impartiality in the force. she says it can damage pubuc force. she says it can damage public confidence and officers should focus on tackling crime . should focus on tackling crime. and tributes are being paid to former harrods owner mohamed al—fayed , who died at the age of al—fayed, who died at the age of 94. the family of the egyptian born businessman who also owned fulham fc for 16 years, says he passed away peacefully of old age on its site. fulham posted we owe mohamed a debt of gratitude . there's more on all

gratitude. there's more on all of those stories on our website , gbnews.com. now let's get straight back to . martin straight back to. martin >> and thanks again, raymundo. okay. welcome back to gb news saturday with me, martin daubney on your tv online and of course, on your tv online and of course, on your tv online and of course, on your digital radio. now, the summer holidays are almost coming to an end after a warm and sunny june. the remaining months have been something of a washout , with many choosing to washout, with many choosing to stay at home rather than brave the rain and storms. well, our south—west of england. reporter jeff moody has been looking back at the typical british weather and finding out whether the forecast of an indian summer this september is true or would that be just another damp squib . in >> if you've been out and about this summer, chances are you'll have come across plenty of wind and plenty of rain. >> after the hottest june on

record, july and august have been a washout . been a washout. >> it's been the eighth warmest summer on record for the uk, but it's been quite wet as well. >> and of the top ten warmest summers for the uk in our series, which goes back to 1884, it has in fact been the wettest of those summers and it's been a very mixed summer for cold comfort for businesses that rely on summer sunshine , none more so on summer sunshine, none more so than the theatre industry. >> every summer, touring groups perform at stately homes and castles, crowds gathering to picnic and enjoy a glass of fizz as up close theatre company have been staging a radio adaptation of day of the triffids. they've had their fair share of downpours . downpours. >> actually, it was really weird. it made an absolute fantastic atmosphere , but it fantastic atmosphere, but it became almost like that sort of dunkirk spirit. >> we are not giving up. we're going to get soaked . going to get soaked. >> my shirt that i'm wearing now was see through and so was everyone else's. >> and actually it became quite

fun. >> so we made the best of it. you know what? it's like in the west country tourism is down up to 20% in devon as visitors stay home, hitting an industry still reeling from covid days. >> those that brave the elements say it's a summer they'll never forget. >> little did we know we would end up with hugely stormy weather. it's absolutely petrifying experience. last week, the met office poured scorn on our hopes for an indian summer seeming to confirm there's little chance of sunshine soon. >> but this week, they've changed their forecast. predict eating the warm sun will rise again. >> when we look out into the outlook. >> what we are seeing are signs of a spell of better weather coming next week. so we expect temperatures to reach perhaps the mid 20s, maybe even 30 degrees. and that's not particularly unusual actually for early september. >> so don't pack away your sunscreen just yet. that's if

you ever got it out in the first place. jeff moody , gb news. place. jeff moody, gb news. >> come on, jeff . give us a bit >> come on, jeff. give us a bit of that moody magic we want a nice indian summer. as you can tell, i've got sunkissed in tenby. i got really lucky with a superb week in pembrokeshire. the sun does exist in wales. okay now lots of you have been getting in touch on the topics we've been today on we've been discussing today on rail lesley says this rail strikes. lesley says this of course rail workers will of course the rail workers will strike. if somebody paid me £100 a day to stand on a picket line, then i would do it too. it's high time it was for illegal the unions to pay strikers . strong unions to pay strikers. strong words, lesley. you're getting stuck right in. i've had plenty of on heart attacks which of emails on heart attacks which were covered earlier. pete says this i had a heart attack in 2020 whilst doing a boot camp exercise. i was very fit ex—para and just felt very tired in a way i had not experienced before. i called an ambulance. i had a blocked artery and a stent fitted and a quadruple bypass pass. i'm knackered now . my pass. i'm knackered now. my heart is not good and the nhs is

terrible at aftercare . pete. terrible at aftercare. pete. sorry to hear that , mate, but at sorry to hear that, mate, but at least you made it. you got sorted out and we were just saying today, particularly men and particularly paratroopers like yourself, veteran servicemen, you know, reach out, get help, don't suffer. don't be macho about it. we all need help when it's required on policing . when it's required on policing. kevin says this the police should do their job instead of should do theirjob instead of being a woke tool. that's a that's a thought to conjure up police horses and dogs dressed up for pride. vehicles of black history signs on them. if society was fair, there would be christian symbols on vehicles, etcetera . police should stop etcetera. police should stop supporting causes and minorities and just do their job instead . and just do theirjob instead. on rac. that of course is the concrete scandal. david says this money isn't a problem whenever foreigners need it, but those clowns in westminster will happily put british people in danger of schools, hospitals , danger of schools, hospitals, etcetera. why hasn't the dup been given billions of pounds to

find temporary accommodation for schoolkids like the home office has been given to house foreigners to live in luxury ? foreigners to live in luxury? this country needs a working class revolution. david hey are here to that. a lot of people have been saying that for months and i completely and utterly agree. keep those views coming in. you're watching and listen to gb news saturday with me. martin norman are still tonnes more coming up yet on today's show no than two thirds of show. no more than two thirds of church of england back church of england priests back a ban on gay conversion . are they ban on gay conversion. are they right? all that and more to come. this is gb news, the people's

gb news radio. >> welcome back to gb news saturday with myself. martin daubney on your tv , online and daubney on your tv, online and on your digital radio. now, every teenager in britain could be automatically signed up to a civil national service . the civil national service. the plans would see 16 year olds pick eight, participate even in a two week civic exploration trip, and complete a number of volunteer hours. well, the proposals for the return of national service have been backed by the leader of the house of commons, penny mordaunt . well, joining me now is former head of counter—terrorism at the mod major general chip chapman . mod major general chip chapman. good afternoon to you, chip. it's always a pleasure to see you. this sounds like a great idea, doesn't it? it's not a military national service, but getting kids volunteer age 16 getting kids to volunteer age 16 to help improve their civic and

community skills. what's where's the bad bit ? the bad bit? >> no, i think that's a good thing because there are two. >> well, there are four things that all 16 year olds and those growing up really like. >> they like a sense of identity. >> they like a sense of community. they like a sense of protection, they like some protection, and they like some excitement all those things excitement. and all those things can do that. however there are various that people can various ways that people can can do that. do it at the do that. they could do it at the moment uniformed moment in uniformed organisations , scouts, the organisations, the scouts, the guides even if you're 16, you guides or even if you're 16, you can join the army at the army foundation college. but equally those things i've mentioned , those things i've mentioned, they are functional needs for 16 year olds and slightly older. they're also the things which can draw people into gangs. they're also the things which can draw people into gangs . all can draw people into gangs. all those functions are things which gang have and so it's gang members have and so it's not just their needs, it's the values of people and those who are volunteering are going to be those who've got good values to produce citizen, those produce the civic citizen, those who haven't won't join this, particularly if optional . particularly if it's optional. >> yeah, and it's not, is it, chip? like the old fashioned kind military , you know, boot

kind of military, you know, boot camp to serve your time in camp have to serve your time in the it's nothing like, for the army. it's nothing like, for example, we see in israel the army. it's nothing like, for ex the le, we see in israel the army. it's nothing like, for ex the moment.ve see in israel the army. it's nothing like, for ex the moment. it'see in israel the army. it's nothing like, for ex the moment. it's more israel the army. it's nothing like, for ex the moment. it's more likeel at the moment. it's more like a continental ski team, which they have the have national service on the continent, but not sent continent, but you're not sent to fights, but you are involved in your community. it feels like a a kind of national ized a bit of a kind of national ized version of the duke of edinburgh scheme. yeah i think that's probably true . probably true. >> i think the framing of this as a national service and therefore people immediately think of the military element was probably wrong and we need to get from that. to get away from that. of course, service, the course, national service, the nostalgia goggles for that, that ended 60 ago and was for ended 60 years ago and was for 17 to 21 year olds and was for 18 months. it is not for two weeks to try and build this sort of civic citizen and try and build this obligation in a community since it is a social virtue to rather than an individual virtue, one of the things we see at the moment is the people we're talking about, both those who've entered the workplace and the 16 year olds that this addresses are gen z, that's those who were born .

that's those who were born. between 1997 and 2013, and they are the generation which has increased individualism and atomisation and consumer ism. and all those are backed up by recent mckinsey report . that recent mckinsey report. that doesn't mean they're not necessarily good kids . they're necessarily good kids. they're brimming with ideas and ambition and they value authenticity and transparency. but they're also the ones who think they're better than everyone else and hold everyone to a higher standard than themselves . and we standard than themselves. and we sort of saw that last week when they're ones who abandoned they're the ones who abandoned their their tents reading their their tents at reading festival . so they do want to be festival. so they do want to be engaged. festival. so they do want to be engaged . it's how you get them engaged. it's how you get them engaged. it's how you get them engaged so that they do become this civic rather than this civic citizen rather than what said about gen z, what is often said about gen z, the disconnected citizen. and all that was exacerbated by by covid, where they lost human contact with teenagers and those in the workplace at a fundamental moment in either their teenage years or workplace and reduce things which are really important in life , such really important in life, such as interaction on a team. how to

accept positive criticism and feedback, all those are sort of real life skills which follow you through. so to be disconnected is not a thing you want in a citizen for the future. >> and it's also, isn't it, chip, about getting children out of their comfort zones. it's about getting them away from screens. my son sunny started his duke of edinburgh this morning, helped with a parkrun . morning, helped with a parkrun. he's sunny love you, mate. he's 14. sunny love you, mate. proud he's14. sunny love you, mate. proud of you for doing it. and i would to more kids would love to see more kids getting there and having getting out there and having those disciplines that were missing. discipline, respect for elders, manners, love for flag king and country. elders, manners, love for flag king and country . where's the king and country. where's the bad bit ? bad bit? >> i agree. one of the things you can say on your first point there, martin, is that the social geography of childhood has changed. that's also proven by studies which people don't go very far from their home. and, for example , only three out of for example, only three out of ten people these days, teenagers know what a blackbird is. nine out of ten people know what a dalek is. so expanding people's social geography and their

cognitive abilities is a good thing. so in that sense, there is nothing wrong with this. so when needs and values come together, this is something that should be welcomed. there will always be people who opt out of this, but you know, we do want these virtuous we these virtuous citizens. we don't refuseniks and people don't want refuseniks and people who socialising via sort of who are socialising via sort of coming together via social media and the internet to go and rob shots as a collective basis. thatis shots as a collective basis. that is not the basis for a civil society and the social virtues that you want in a civil society . society. >> well, here here to that major general chip chapman, thanks for joining us on the show. i think it's a wonderful idea. i really, really do. i just think we need a more of that to pull us a bit more of that to pull us together. the fabric of the nafion together. the fabric of the nation together. nation pulled together. fantastic. 600,000 could do fantastic. 600,000 kids could do this. just it. okay. this. i just love it. okay. moving to our final story moving on now to our final story of show. a new survey has of the show. a new survey has revealed that two thirds of church of england priests now back on gay conversion back the ban on gay conversion therapy. out of the 1200 priests surveyed for the times

newspaper, only 18 said they didn't support the ban. the survey also found that for the first time, the majority of kyiv priests also back same sex marriage. well, joining me now is former chaplain to the queen dr. gavin ashenden . good dr. gavin ashenden. good afternoon to you, gavin . in this afternoon to you, gavin. in this is a bit of a an eye opener for many people seeing they say or feel that this is these are values that aren't particularly associated with what we deem to be a traditional church . is this be a traditional church. is this proof of the church going woke ? proof of the church going woke? >> yes, i'm afraid it is. >> and g.k. >> yes, i'm afraid it is. >> and gk. chesterton famously said the problem was that there wasn't that christianity been tried and found wanting. >> it had been found too difficult and not tried. so one of the things has happened over the last 20 or 30 years is that the last 20 or 30 years is that the propaganda about sexuality, which is unchristian, has triumphed and christian culture is being let go of. and that's

really rather tragic that the state church shouldn't understand and what it is to be christian in terms of human anthropology and the way we practise our sexuality. >> another really concerning point in this, gavin, as well as 80% of priests said they welcome a female archbishop of canterbury , 36% back assisted canterbury, 36% back assisted dying. the idea of euthanasia and also over 75% are not confident of the church hitting its net zero targets. when did these topics become the matter of priests ? of priests? >> well, maybe we should have started off by talking about about euthanasia, because, you know, people have got a variety of views about sexuality and but but the idea that the church, which has always understood that human life is not something that we have the freedom to dispose of, if you can't make it, you shouldn't destroy it. it's quite

incredible that a state church should have come to the point where it's dropped its understanding about the sanctity of human nature. and the problem with net zero is that , you with with net zero is that, you know, it's not a matter of follow the science. science follow the science. the science gives us a whole series of different understandings about climate change. there are a huge amount of controversy about the models are used, and models that are being used, and there's a great deal to be said for the that of the for the fact that many of the green initiatives have actually causing more trouble than they're helping us. so the fact this is an area of serious controversy, both politically and scientifically , the idea and scientifically, the idea that anglican clergy should have been so easily befuddled as to pick up this latest propaganda is i think reflects very poorly on them. >> but gavin , the contentious >> but gavin, the contentious topic of gay conversion therapy has offended a lot of people. and with some justification. and it's more mild forms. it could be simply persuade lviv. but there have been examples of even electric shock therapy being

used.i electric shock therapy being used. i mean , you must surely used. i mean, you must surely agree those kind of practises have no place. let alone in a modern church. but in modern society, we well, of course they don't. >> and but the problem is the horrific examples of electric shock are being used essentially as propaganda to carry the argument . i spent 25 years as a argument. i spent 25 years as a university chaplain , and during university chaplain, and during that period of time i saw my students go on a variety of journeys as they went from straight to gay back to straight again . and there a number again. and there were a number of influences on them whilst they did that. but they should be free to make those be entirely free to make those journeys. you can journeys. the idea that you can only from straight to gay and only go from straight to gay and not back from gay to straight again is a piece of propaganda that people should be free to make their journeys. and right at the heart christianity at the heart of christianity lies the of conversion . and lies the idea of conversion. and it's not restricted to our sexuality. it's it touches our pride , our values, our money,

pride, our values, our money, everything . the idea that everything. the idea that churches can ban conversion in any form is just ridiculous. but it's been partly made possible by the level of we lost dr. gavin ashenden there . gavin ashenden there. >> we have to leave it there. anyway the former chaplain to the queen for his thoughts on gay conversion therapy and the church england. that's church of england. okay, that's it me today. but stay tuned it from me today. but stay tuned because just walks into the studio looking resplendent is nana. what's coming up on nana. nana, what's coming up on the show? what's on the menu? >> because i've >> i'm so excited because i've been off. >> had holiday in my >> i've had a holiday in my house. i've just wandered around the nothing in the house doing nothing in particular, not naked, particular, you know, not naked, but well but just doing nothing. well silly no , i've been watching silly but no, i've been watching these, had eye on everything these, had my eye on everything and have really, and things that have really, really mean, the really irked me. i mean, the first of course, is the first thing, of course, is the ulez. nobody wants it. i mean, i don't understand macron has don't understand how macron has managed push through. managed to push that through. it will the labour party. so will cost the labour party. so we're going to discussing we're going to be discussing that real pollution we're going to be discussing th actually real pollution we're going to be discussing th actually in real pollution we're going to be discussing th actually in the real pollution we're going to be discussing th actually in the underground. is actually in the underground. we'll looking wokery , we'll be looking at wokery, which the which obviously with the policing is, people policing the way it is, people taking knee and all the taking the knee and all the nonsense that there is, can police effective in

police really be effective in that manner? suella braverman that manner? is suella braverman right? and is this country actually hell in a actually going to hell in a handcart of this wokery handcart because of this wokery yeah, i wonder. >> know, she spoke out >> you know, she spoke out today. speak to former today. we speak to former coppers and i think coppers today and i think she's got a point about getting got a good point about getting involved things like black involved in things like black lives climate lives matter, our pride, climate change. police change. why can't the police just police without fear or favour? >> well, would it, isn't >> well, that would be it, isn't it? mean, that's all we ask. it? i mean, that's all we ask. i'm interested in them i'm not interested in them bending down on or bending down on a knee or wearing or been wearing a rainbow flag or been coming my house with a coming to my house with a rainbow car. honestly, mean, rainbow car. honestly, i mean, how is that? how ridiculous is that? >> like, get out. >> i obe like, get out. >> i obe like, get out. >> go on. i'm all right. >> go on. i'm all right. >> i can handle this myself. >> i can handle this myself. >> we're also. got >> but we're also. i've got a fantastic guest in the studio as well. debbie mcgee. oh debbie mcgee. here live. mcgee. she'll be here live. super mcgee. she'll be here live. suflooking great. the glamorous >> looking great. the glamorous assistant. you don't need one of those. enough those. you're glamorous enough as rested. as is coming back. well rested. you've been watching and listening news saturday listening to gb news saturday with martin daubney, with me, martin daubney, thank you much forjoining us you so much forjoining us today. don't go today. but of course, don't go anywhere the magnificent anywhere because the magnificent nana first, here's anywhere because the magnificent naneweather. first, here's anywhere because the magnificent naneweather. onefirst, here's anywhere because the magnificent naneweather. one final here's anywhere because the magnificent naneweather. one final times your weather. one final time with jonathan. >> feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of

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northwest , but elsewhere, northwest, but elsewhere, pleasantly warm , 26 c in the pleasantly warm, 26 c in the south—east, even 23 c for parts of aberdeen . as high pressure of aberdeen. as high pressure stays with us into the new working week, we've still got this lingering the far this lingering front in the far north. notice the north. and notice how the isobars also squeezing isobars are also squeezing together the together a bit more across the west so quite breezy west country. so quite breezy around coastal lines here, but for many of us will be a for many of us it will be a pleasantly warm summers day and a amount sunshine pleasantly warm summers day and a hold ount sunshine pleasantly warm summers day and a hold ont sunshine pleasantly warm summers day and a hold on to sunshine pleasantly warm summers day and a hold on to asunshine pleasantly warm summers day and a hold on to a lotshine pleasantly warm summers day and a hold on to a lot ofne pleasantly warm summers day and a hold on to a lot of that we'll hold on to a lot of that sunshine into the forth coming week and temperatures week as well. and temperatures will continuing to slide will also be continuing to slide up the high 20s possible in places towards wednesday, perhaps even 30 c . perhaps even 30 c. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news join me weather on. gb news join me camilla tominey at 9.30 on sunday morning when i'll be speaking to bridget phillipson, the shadow education secretary, about the state of britain's crumbling schools . crumbling schools. >> i'll also be speaking to danny kruger, the leader of a new conservative breakaway group

about the party's problems . about the party's problems. >> and ailsa anderson, the late queen's former communications secretary, joins me to discuss a year since her majesty's passing i >> -- >> all that and more with me, camilla tominey from 930 on sunday morning .

>> hello. good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some big topics hitting some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show about opinion. it's show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs, and of course it's yours. we'll debating, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, times we will discussing, and at times we will disagree, one be disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining in the cancelled. so joining me in the next hour broadcast from columnist also columnist lizzie cundy and also former simon danczuk. former labour mp simon danczuk. now, time, i'll now, in a few moments time, i'll be the week with be marking the week with comedian diane but comedian diane spencer. but before get started, before before we get started, she suddenly there. she here suddenly over there. oh, there go. oh, just wait. there you go. well, we started, i well, before we get started, i just bit unfair just thought it's a bit unfair before we get started,