>> hello and welcome. this is calvin's sense crusade. with me , the reverend calvin robinson on your online and on your wireless back for series two. i want to give a quick shout out and a thank you to emma webb, who kept my seat warm whilst i was on holiday. she did an excellent job. thank you, emma. now, today we will discussing now, today we will be discussing womb transplants is undoubtedly a major scientific advance, but are there ethical concerns also 7 are there ethical concerns also .7 so should workplace discrimination against christians be investigated by parliament? and we'll hear about the devastating humanitarian crisis unfolding in artsakh , an crisis unfolding in artsakh, an enclave within azerbaijan and in the duel. my panellists will be discussing a times survey which says church of england priests think britain is no longer a christian country . see? what do christian country. see? what do you think? connor tomlinson i think as the venerable fulton sheen once said, the church , sheen once said, the church, which weds itself to this age, withdrew itself in the next.

>> if the church wants to revitalise congregation, revitalise its congregation, then preaching then it should stop preaching progressivism start progressivism and start preaching gospel preaching the gospel more. >> quotes, please. >> fulton sheen quotes, please. and mcshane. and dennis mcshane. >> well, the gospel is the most progressive ever progressive document ever written it's of equality, written. it's full of equality, loving your neighbour, being generous , showing lots of generous, showing lots of charity and mercy, which isn't much the right wing agenda. much on the right wing agenda. look, church of england, i was driving around the midlands in the north yesterday. dennis we'll get to the. i'm sorry. i'm sorry. i'm sorry. the full statement. >> thank you. but before all that, there's the news with aaron armstrong . aaron armstrong. >> a very good evening to you. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. the condition of some pubuc newsroom. the condition of some public buildings, including hospitals, is being described as jaw dropping as concerns grow over risk collapse . as over their risk of collapse. as the of the commons public the chair of the commons public accounts committee is warning, the chair of the commons public acciissue committee is warning, the chair of the commons public acciissue of�*nmittee is warning, the chair of the commons public acciissue of aerated is warning, the chair of the commons public acciissue of aerated concrete1g, the chair of the commons public acciissue of aerated concrete in the issue of aerated concrete in schools is just the tip of the iceberg. writing in the times dame meg hillier says eyewatering sums of money are being spent on mitigating the

risks . labour being spent on mitigating the risks. labour is demanding an urgent audit , risks. labour is demanding an urgent audit, while risks. labour is demanding an urgent audit , while the liberal urgent audit, while the liberal democrats have labelled it a national emergency which warrants an immediate cobra meeting . there's been a huge meeting. there's been a huge surge in small boat crossings. the channel gb news can reveal around 600 asylum seekers made it to uk waters today. the number of migrants intercepted so far this year now stands at more than 20,000. the rmt union says it's hopeful fresh talks next week can bring an end to their long running dispute over paying their long running dispute over paying conditions. up to 20,000 members at 14 operators have walked out this weekend, causing severe disruption . meanwhile, severe disruption. meanwhile, members of the train drivers union aslef , who were on the union aslef, who were on the picket lines yesterday have refused to work overtime today. rmt general secretary mick lynch told gb news a fresh proposal is key to resolving the dispute . key to resolving the dispute. >> we go into those talks with an attitude and a disposition to try and get an agreement, but there are some serious issues as most people know now, we don't

want to be on strike. we'd rather much, much rather be earning a living and run running the service for the people who need to so hopefully if need to use it. so hopefully if we can get a different mind mindset next week, we can get some progress. policing should not be used as a political football. >> a warning for the home secretary after she accused officers of partisan ship on controversial issues . the police controversial issues. the police federation of england and wales says the government want officers to be more involved while simultaneously acting like robots . suella braverman has robots. suella braverman has commissioned a review into activism and impartiality in the force, which labour says demonstrates her political obsession with the issue. the lib dems have accused her of using the police as a weapon in her culture. war bricks have been salvaged from the wonky pub that's at the centre of an arson investigation in himley in the west midlands. organisers of the save the crooked house project, which was destroyed by fire last month, held a ceremony . they month, held a ceremony. they have stored the bricks in locked

containers and hope the pub can be rebuilt . two men have been be rebuilt. two men have been released on conditional bail after being arrested on suspicion of arson with intent to endanger life . and the king to endanger life. and the king and queen have attended the braemar gathering highland games in aberdeenshire. the event was held a short distance from the royals summer retreat at balmoral. a charles wore a kilt in the newly created king charles. the third tartan, which was created to mark the coronation this is gb news. i'll be back with more in just under an hour's time. and now it's over to calvin . over to calvin. >> a vast majority of church of england priests believe britain can no longer be described as a christian country. says a new times survey. well what are they doing about it ? pontificating doing about it? pontificating over whether we should call god our father in the lord's prayer, promoting transgender persons to the position of archdeacon ,

the position of archdeacon, pinning pride flags on the altar or hosting drag queens in the sanctuary. everything but evangelising the nation as christians were called to disciple the nations. that is one of the primary vocations of deacons, priests and bishops . deacons, priests and bishops. instead, it seems the church of england is obsessed with adapting to the social norms of the secular world around it. why disciple the nation when you can let the nation disciple you? a majority of those surveyed said they believed the church should change its teaching on gay marriage. in the church, sex outside of marriage and women's roles in the church . the church roles in the church. the church does not have the authority to change its teaching on these issues . their doctrinal either. issues. their doctrinal either. the church of england professes to be christian or it does not ehhen to be christian or it does not either. she adheres to the creeds or she leaves the one holy catholic and apostolic church. there is no update feature in the faith. there is no capability for the church to get with the times . these get with the times. these priests had better repent , priests had better repent,

return to their bible for their goods and the good of the souls of the nation. the times survey is not representative, though the polling tactics that they use were not up to scratch . i use were not up to scratch. i know many good priests within the church of england who are livid at the results, but the point stands why are there so many heretical priests among their ranks? sex before marriage is fornication. sex outside of marriage is adultery. homosexual sex is. these are sins. it's marriage is adultery. homosexual sex is. these are sins . it's not sex is. these are sins. it's not a kindness to affirm sinful lifestyles, however contemporary it may be. priests are called to be loving and truthfulness , and be loving and truthfulness, and their duty is the cure of souls , as that means leading souls to christ to be saved by encouraging extramarital sex and homosexual acts . these modern homosexual acts. these modern priests are knowingly leading souls towards hell . eternal souls towards hell. eternal awaits any so—called teacher of the faith who preaches acceptance of what god has called abominable will. it becomes clearer by the week with every false pronounce meant that the church of england is in a

managed decline and that the current hierarchy are not interested in saving it, or even saving souls. but in leaving behind a perfectly embalmed and liberal corpse . if there is a liberal corpse. if there is a future for christianity in england, it will come from a unite front from the small orthodox faithful, the old dividing lines of evangelical and catholic will fall away as orthodox christians across denominations unite around defence of the christian faith as it comes under assault from the so—called liberal progressives whose only god is social acceptance and whose only doctrine is virtue signalling . doctrine is virtue signalling. england always has been and always will be a christian country that does not mean there will always be a church of england . england. so those are my thoughts on this thought provoking and concerning times. survey but what will my brilliant dualists make of it?

it's time for this week's jewel . my sidekick. this week is writer and broadcaster conor tomlinson and this week's nemesis is former labour mp dennis macshane. i'm plenty to discuss in this one, but i think i'm going to start with dennis. my i'm going to start with dennis. my thoughts on the curve are that it's plummeting from one scandal to the next, but it seems that in order to protect christianity in this country, it's the faithful masses that need to come together. >> dennis yes, yes. you talked about the church of england representing universe of representing the universe of holy and apostolic church . holy and apostolic church. actually, the church of england left the universal holy and apostolic church in heresy. 500 years ago. as a catholic , i can years ago. as a catholic, i can take you through the history . years ago. as a catholic, i can take you through the history. i can ican take you through the history. i can i can take you through the history. and look, the church , history. and look, the church, church, a poll of church of england clerics . excuse me. england clerics. excuse me. actually, i'm quite impressed. on sundays and just driving

around london, the number of church congregations that are vibrant , lively, going out . vibrant, lively, going out. there's a lot of external church activity now running , not activity now running, not missionary sorry, pilgrimages here inside the uk and to other sites. so i'm not particularly worried. i think christianity faith of all sorts plays an important role in british public life and or british life . and life and or british life. and just because a few wet and woolly vicars think it's all going to hell in a handcart, is that the appropriate metaphor? i'm not quite sure. i'm not. i think long after i'm dead , think long after i'm dead, there'll still be people going to church and the church is in different forms. will still be active. >> that's hopeful and positive. i do want to address your point that england did not leave the one holy catholic and apostolic church. left communion church. england left communion with still a with rome. england is still a christian country and anglicanism new anglicanism is not a new religion. it is still the

christian it is the christian faith. it is the engush christian faith. it is the english expression of the catholic faith. if anything can nana not debate that one. nana let's not debate that one. christian england is no longer a christian england is no longer a christian country, according to the church of england. >> yeah, it wouldn't shock me. it pronouncement that it seems the pronouncement that nietzsche, i don't think nietzsche, who i don't think we're made years we're big fans of, made years ago that without god, with civilisation deracinated after his cultural death, the great cathedrals of europe would become mausoleums and sepulchres to a good idea, to a dead ideal is rapidly becoming true. >> because as much as dennis has anecdotal experience saying that the congregations are still thriving in central london, there are many churches that aren't as many people aren't seeing as many people coming not just sunday mass, coming to not just sunday mass, but throughout the but mass throughout the week. there fewer people . there are fewer people. fortunately, though, my fortunately, though, among my generation , i think there's a generation, i think there's a minor resurgence, and that's generation, i think there's a minibecause ence, and that's generation, i think there's a minibecause en(a and that's generation, i think there's a minibecause en(a cultural|t's just because of a cultural retaliation against the nihilism and the hedonism that the generations before us have passed us. we're passed on to us. and we're going, well, prefer a bit going, well, we'd prefer a bit more and direction and more structure and direction and actually miserable actually it's a bit miserable just engaging hook—up culture just engaging in hook—up culture and for example. and universities, for example.

but think the church but i don't think the church itself and goes for the itself, and this goes for the catholic well catholic church as well particularly, it's recent world youth where housed youth day where they housed the communion tupperware communion wafers in tupperware boxes, that , that boxes, things like that, that show don't have sense of show they don't have a sense of the sacred. they're not going to attract people to their congregations flying attract people to their congrflags,ns flying attract people to their congrflags, which flying attract people to their congrflags, which has flying attract people to their congrflags, which has the 'ing pride flags, which has the doctrine got it wrong, i doctrine of god got it wrong, i think abide by the gospel itself and just whatever and not just whatever progressive zeitgeist is inhabiting time. >> $- w i don't want to go off >> yeah, i don't want to go off on tangent , >> yeah, i don't want to go off on tangent, but you've on a tangent, but you've mentioned in mentioned the host in the tabernacle. sorry, in the tupperware the tupperware instead of the tabernacle. this is tabernacle. and i think this is part a wider problem, isn't part of a wider problem, isn't it, that there is a lack of reverence? now, if you truly believe god is present in believe that god is present in that you would be the that place, you would be the most reverential possibly most reverential you possibly could place and could towards that place and towards that. could towards that place and tow hostthat. could towards that place and tow host it's. could towards that place and tow host it's part of the culture >> host it's part of the culture of arrogance that we're seeing that anything that we can't have anything that is sacred and obscured because obscurity reminds us that we are not the masters of the world. instead, because we've decided culture, we suddenly have this promethean remake promethean ambition to remake the even the environment. and even turning it inwards into ourselves with the gospel of trans identity. so those are

incompatible perspectives to the church and to return to the sacred little bit proximate sacred a little bit of proximate distance to the highest ideal. it's very healthy for a very egocentric culture. >> to the latin mass. >> you go to the latin mass. >> you go to the latin mass. >> no, there's not one around me, have also there's even me, but i have also there's even though in the church though our design in the church is ba.2, my priest watches is a bit ba.2, my priest watches this i couldn't give this show, so i couldn't give that. couldn't that service up. >> good man . i up. >> good man. i do. up.— >> good man. i do. i do up. >> good man. i do. i do think the ordo is part of the the novus ordo is part of the problem, problem, but problem, not the problem, but a symptom the wider problem. symptom of the wider problem. and that lack of reverence that we about and lack sacred. >> f- sacred. >> intro altari de that >> dennis intro altari de that is how the mass started when i was an altar boy those was an altar boy and all those years spent on my knees and now giving knees a bit of. giving my knees quite a bit of. now we can't in latin now we can't continue in latin if you find it helpful, you're a multiculture man. calvin and kaja kallas very educated, but the tupperware, for heaven's sake, they're nearly 2 million young people came to hear the pope's message . and of course, pope's message. and of course, you can't distribute the host in the classic in the classic way. will you still be distributing

now in portugal and that's just a small example of where i think your thesis breaks down that, as i say, these i don't know whether it was started about 20 years ago. these catholic world youth days are attracting enormous crowds . so i youth days are attracting enormous crowds. so i think there's a lot out there for discussion in king charles told us he had to be the king of all the faith. i don't. which is wrong, isn't it? i don't quite know what that meant. well, he did, actually, in the coronation oath, said he was to uphold the supremacy of the protestant religion, not the christian religion, not the christian religion, just 1—1 sect, one sect or one church. and all over ireland, people fell off their bars, dragged their guinness and burst out laughing more english anglican supremacy . so burst out laughing more english anglican supremacy. so i'm just i just gently tried to steer it away a little bit from one self select king survey. i mean ,

select king survey. i mean, right now it used to say the anglican church is the tory party at prayer. the labour party at prayer. the labour party has become very, very conservative in recent years, so it's probably now the labour party at prayer and they will feel at home with with a very cautious, respectful concern lviv don't rock the boat, avoid anything very dramatic labour leadership at the moment. >> the problem i have with the actual survey at question is that they sent out 5000 emails, 1200 were answered . so that 1200 were answered. so that suggests straight away the actual orthodox priests were busy in their parishes doing priestly ministry and the keyboard warriors were the ones that were quick to respond with the woke suggestions. but even if that is the case, a majority of 1200 that did reply of the 1200 that did reply wanted to promote heresy. how do we have that many heretical priests within within our state? church well, i'm not an expert on anglican . on anglican. >> the articles of faith, karl marx said that the anglican church would rather give up 38

of its 39 articles and 1/39 of its wealth and income. so that just was a cynical statement from over 100 years ago on these polls . can i tell you a story? polls. can i tell you a story? it's slightly off beat, but it's relevant when i was working in the foreign office with robin cook, he's a brand new minister and marriage up. okay. and his marriage bust up. okay. and the sun splashed the ugliest kind of garden gnome picture of robin cook imaginable. and said, would you sleep with this man ? would you sleep with this man? i'd answer yes or no. and the order went out throughout the foreign office. everybody get off whatever you're doing . off whatever you're doing. saving the world, invading a country , pressing the yes country, start pressing the yes button . so i have to say 1200 button. so i have to say 1200 buttons punch on a poll. it's not that serious. >> okay, connor, do you think the poll is part of the problem? is this part of the progressive's using it to promote their heretical ways and say, look, clearly there's an appetite here for changing the church's views on same sex

marriage and on sex outside of marriage and on sex outside of marriage and on women's ordinations and such issues. and we can often see the polls are used to manufacture consent. >> also, the church in to the credit of still some ministers in the upper echelons have said yes, government have been yes, the government have been pressuring officially yes, the government have been pressuringthis, officially yes, the government have been pressuringthis, even cially yes, the government have been pressuringthis, even though some recognise this, even though some of want to. so of us still don't want to. so there multiple factors there are multiple factors influencing but glad influencing this, but i'm glad that dennis raised karl that dennis actually raised karl marx because in the opening, when dennis said actually when dennis said that actually the progressive the gospel is really progressive . lots modern progressive . no, lots of modern progressive doctrines of doctrines are a form of neo—marxism. they came from neo—marxism. yet they came from the soil of hands off the fertile soil of hands off liberalism oh, liberalism where it's just, oh, you whatever you want as you can do whatever you want as long you're harming long as you're not harming anyone except lots of the time you're harming yourself. but that root soil , you're harming yourself. but that root soil, and that took root in that soil, and marxism itself was set up in diametric opposition to christianity . marx he christianity. marx said he wanted revolve himself wanted to revolve around himself as his own true son in a very satanic fashion. he wrote satanic inverted the satanic poetry. he inverted the parable talents to get parable of the talents to get his from according to his maxim from each according to his maxim from each according to his to each according to his ability to each according to his ability to each according to his engels his own need. friedrich engels even discourage him from even had to discourage him from calling manifesto calling the communist manifesto the of communism, so

the catechism of communism, so he directly christianity he directly hated christianity as against the as the bulwark against the materialistic and materialistic managerialism. and so fundamentally, progressivism born incompatible born of marxism incompatible with christianity and any church that preaches it preaching that preaches it is preaching the gospel of the antichrist. >> the catholic church >> well, the catholic church used say the communism used to say that the communism is to the faith and used to say that the communism is was to the faith and used to say that the communism is was impossible he faith and used to say that the communism is was impossible to faith and used to say that the communism is was impossible to be th and it was impossible to be a communist and a christian and now a crisis. you have now you have a crisis. you have a communist pope. so you've now you have a crisis. you have a longnunist pope. so you've now you have a crisis. you have a long way. it pope. so you've now you have a crisis. you have a long way. but pe. so you've now you have a crisis. you have a long way. but is. so you've now you have a crisis. you have a long way. but i do ro you've now you have a crisis. you have a long way. but i do like u've now you have a crisis. you have a long way. but i do like what you said about the argument that people often use that, oh, he's not harming anyone. that whole argument work argument is it doesn't work because your because you're harming your soul. yourself soul. you're harming yourself even not harming even if you're not harming anyone else around you. >> you universalise that >> and if you universalise that perspective, if everyone just perspective, if everyone is just an consumer an atomised individual consumer with for his with no consideration for his fellow guess fellow countrymen, guess what? nobody your nobody noticed while your civilisation is collapsing around joined the trade >> that's why i joined the trade union. want to be an union. i didn't want to be an atomised individual. wanted to atomised individual. i wanted to work but it's the work with others. but it's the american constitution which says article there article one, article two, there shall established shall be no established religion. and was french religion. and it was the french revolution rid of revolution that also got rid of all roles for the churches and the churches in france never flourished more so perhaps this

will be a wake a moment, though. dennis, what? >> that's not what i'm seeing at the moment in france. yes. >> oh, yes. in france. in france, lots of different faiths. >> bishops burning. the other one's >> bishops burning. the other onewell, yes , there's a lot of >> well, yes, there's a lot of ugly religious osity about stir up ugly religious osity about stir ”p by ugly religious osity about stir up by people who perhaps should think through a little bit before they open their mouths. but in france, i would my rough experience. i go to france quite a lot and speak the language well, lived there a long time. there'll be more people going to mass and churches on a sunday than there are in england. >> well, that's good news. let's end on some latin. in nomine patris filii et spiritus patris et filii et spiritus sancti. plenty more to come on my common sense crusade next week. ability carry out week. the ability to carry out this rather, the ability to this week rather, the ability to carry out womb transplants is a huge advantage. but huge scientific advantage. but are issues beyond are the ethical issues beyond being ignored? can i remember how to do this? i'll try to answer that question with the help a distinguished medical

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smile . smile. >> welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your onune reverend calvin robinson on your online and on your wireless . online and on your wireless. this is the dawn of a new age, said the chair of the british fertility society, following the announcement of the first ever womb transplant in the uk. a woman with two children of her own already has helped her sister, who was born without a uterus and the sister is now preparing to have her own embryos implanted. an incredible scientific accomplishment and wonderful to hear both sisters are doing well. but are there ethical questions which perhaps need to be raised here? the removal of a woman's womb or hysterectomy is a significant operation and carries risks to the person involved . here to the person involved. here to discuss this important issue, i'm joined by doctor trevor stammers, a university lecturer in medical ethics who was a gp for over 30 years. doctor trevor

, thank you for joining for over 30 years. doctor trevor , thank you forjoining us. if , thank you for joining us. if you could start out with giving us what your take on the risk of this operation. first and foremost . foremost. >> well, i think the significant point from an ethical point of view and it's connected with risk is that clearly there's risk is that clearly there's risk with any organ transplant . risk with any organ transplant. to the donor and to the recipient. but usually organ transplants are life saving operations. so this, of course, is different inasmuch as the intention of it and hopefully it will give life to a new baby because of this transplant . but because of this transplant. but it isn't life saving. and so . it isn't life saving. and so. the risks need to be put . first the risks need to be put. first of all, i think in in in that context and the risk in this situation with the transplant is greater than with a hysterectomy

. and the reason for that is that hysterectomy are normally done. that hysterectomy are normally done . for disease, cancer , done. for disease, cancer, endometriosis. and so on. and the cell object of the operation is to remove the womb in a transplant , you need to remove transplant, you need to remove vasculature, blood vessels so as to make good connections when you've transplanted it, and so that takes more time and there is there is therefore more more risk than there would be with a hysterectomy . the risk of death hysterectomy. the risk of death in that is smaller. the hysterectomy. the risk of death in that is smaller . the. hysterectomy. the risk of death in that is smaller. the . order in that is smaller. the. order of one 1 in 1000 depending on on the method used. so this would be a little bit higher. but there are other risks as well. bleeding, infection that occur with any operation , of course. with any operation, of course. so it's not risk free for sure. >> well, since there seems to be a higher risk in this operation andifs a higher risk in this operation and it's not a life saving operation, it's elective. do you

think there'll be medical professionals out of professionals that opt out of even doing this procedure? >> there will >> yeah, i think there will always be surgeons willing to do it. i'm more concerned and about the a the area of consent and the a the area of consent and the information that is given to patients. i mean, it's interesting that you quoted somebody saying this is a dawn of a new age. in fact, the first one of these womb transplant was donein one of these womb transplant was done in april 2000in saudi arabia. so the new age is actually 14, 14 years, 20, 24 years on. isn't it? so it has been around for a while and folks have had severe complications means that woman in saudi in fact, had to have the womb removed after 99 days because there was a massive clot which is a thrombosis, which is another another risk. so um, i

think that accurate information needs to be given about the risk and then for the patient to make the choice . but the other thing the choice. but the other thing is that of course having a successful transplant is a first stage of a dual stage necessity in order to have children, you've still then once the graft is once the transplants been hopefully not rejected or had any major complications, you then got to deliver a baby with it. and i noticed some clinics in the state are massaging the figures and saying that they're having success rates of sort of near 80. and that's because they're only counting in the figures. the successful transplants and about a third of them fail . and obviously, if you them fail. and obviously, if you exclude those, you're going to boost your figures. so the chances of pregnancy are are about 50. i think they've been

just over 100 done worldwide and about 50 babies born. and that's another thing that needs to be made very clear and that's only right because obviously the desire to have a child to be considering of child of your own, to be considering this operation is a very, very strong desire . but it does need to be desire. but it does need to be put in the context of the risks and accurate information given. >> well, thank you for giving us that medical information. that was dr. trevor stammers of the university lecturer in medical ethics. i do want to bring my panel because i want panel into this because i want to about the moral to talk about the moral implications conor it implications here. conor it seems to me that we're playing god and this a slippery slope god and this is a slippery slope here. this could here. it looks like this could potentially used, potentially be used, for example, for trans births, for example, for trans births, for example well, concern is example. well, my concern is where are you sourcing the wombs from and who are you giving them to? >> so there is the plan. the article that you forwarded on to us. there is the plan that the ten more these that are going

ten more of these that are going to practised that have to be practised that have already been in the uk, already been lined up in the uk, are going to source from are going to source them from brain women. there is also are going to source them from b|proposal women. there is also are going to source them from b|proposal a omen. there is also are going to source them from b|proposal a little. there is also are going to source them from b|proposal a little while; is also are going to source them from b|proposal a little while agoalso are going to source them from b|proposal a little while ago ino a proposal a little while ago in a proposal a little while ago in a bioethics journal that women who are in comas could be used to gestate surrogates to gestate babies as surrogates . yes, the global surrogacy trade also another major trade is also another major thing combines with global thing that combines with global organ we obviously know organ trade. we obviously know that concentration that in the uyghur concentration camps , they source camps in china, they source organs saudi organs for wealthy saudi arabians. my concern would be there would global organ there would be a global organ black as well global black market as well as a global surrogacy market there surrogacy market because there was trafficking was a recent human trafficking ring crete for shipping ring sitting crete for shipping babies over and ukraine, which currently sources about 25% of the surrogacy market, the global surrogacy market, they are running their they are still running their surrogacy despite the surrogacy clinics despite the war and head of war going on. and the head of the biotech com company there said one we need to target women in the former eastern soviet bloc there's one else bloc because there's no one else in world financially in the world financially desperate and to what desperate enough. and to what we're this for to we're doing this for is to create reproductive technologies to to to gestate outside the womb, to make essentially make babies essentially a product for either transgender people. and might even people. and they might even source some of those source it from some of those girls who have been sterilised

early their youth because early on in their youth because of trans gender ideology that might create market might also create another market for it just so many for it. so it just so many ethical complications going here. >> mean, dennis, i want get >> i mean, dennis, i want to get your this is this is your take on this is this is this modern day dr. frankenstein. it sounds like there's a whole empire there's a whole criminal empire that built on top of that could be built on top of this. that, this. but even without that, without human trafficking of without the human trafficking of the surrogacy, this is us playing isn't it? playing god, isn't it? >> i'm sure about. >> god, i'm not sure about. i want have a modest, want to just have a modest, quiet for sister who quiet word for the sister who donated her womb . you use that donated her womb. you use that word donated as if she was just handing over a cup of tea to her sister. but as a huge intervention inside her body and i think it's a remarkable gift. and dr. stammers made very, very good points. he said that transplants were used to save life, but also to give life, ensure that people have a better quality of life. my father died from a war wound that led then to nephritis. that's when your kidneys collapse . just before kidneys collapse. just before

transplant and dialysis became the norm . yeah, i would i would the norm. yeah, i would i would hope i'd have the courage if one of my children or brothers really needed it to donate my one of my one of my kidneys, maybe at my age, there's not much point. and what's what the punishment i've inflicted on my poor kidneys with drinking too much. but no, i mean, every similar advance has been criticised and throwing up frankenstein. you know, the frankenstein. you know, the frankenstein references ethical questions . i'm sure i completely questions. i'm sure i completely agree about the criminality of the organ trade. i know an awful lot about that from the balkans . but those are for the police to have, not for ethical commissions to handle. i don't think you can simply turn off that particular tap. okay >> my concern is that children are a blessing and a gift, not necessarily a right . but i wish necessarily a right. but i wish i could talk about this all day, but plenty more to come on this show on this evening. my common sense up, we'll sense crusade. next up, we'll have a discussion on workplace discrimination against christians. and should this be

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>> welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your tv online. and on your wireless. our christians mistreated in the workplace because of their beliefs. that's the concern of religious groups who have asked a parliamentary inquiry to investigate. the group wants labour's harriet harman , chair labour's harriet harman, chair of the parliamentary joint committee on human rights, to make sure religious freedom forms a part of their ongoing inquiry. the news comes amidst concern that discrimination against christians and other religious groups in the workplace is commonplace . here workplace is commonplace. here to tell me more, i'm delighted to tell me more, i'm delighted to welcome james somerville mitchell, deputy director of the catholic union. james, thank you for coming on again. it's always a pleasure to speak to you. what is your take on the call for this parliamentary inquiry ? this parliamentary inquiry? >> well, as you mentioned, there's this inquiry in parliament being run by the joint committee on human rights. that's a cross—party group of

mps and peers, one of only a small number of committees across both houses of parliament and they're looking into human rights at work, which is great. so far the discussions have been on trade union legislation , pay on trade union legislation, pay and conditions , all the other and conditions, all the other kind of work place rights that you would think about. and those are things that the catholic church welcomes a discussion on. the church has got a proud history. when it comes to workers rights and standing up for fairness and for justice. but we also want to see some more basic, some more fundamental human rights included as part of this inquiry, including freedom of religion , because we know that religion, because we know that it's becoming harder for catholics to be true to their faith at work. a survey that we carried out earlier this year found that 1 in 3 people, 33, had been disadvantaged in some

way at work because of their faith . and this isn't something faith. and this isn't something unique to catholics. we see it with other christians as well , with other christians as well, other people of faith. so we've put our name to this joint letter to ourselves at the catholic union, along with the christian institute and the evangelical alliance, to make sure that this most fundamental of human rights, freedom of religion, is not overlooked as part of this inquiry. and indeed is integral to the recommendation ltns and report to government later this year. >> well, i'm glad you're working with the christian institute. very good people and the evangelical alliance. but this goes back to what i said in the start show that i think start of the show that i think actually intolerance actually the intolerance towards christianity that we're seeing in country form an in the country will form an alliance amongst small orthodox christians, faithful masses christians, the faithful masses will come together. so this strength in unity there. but james would you say it's fair, a fair assessment that other forms of discrimination, such as age , of discrimination, such as age, sex, race, for example , are sex, race, for example, are taken more seriously than

discrimination due to religious beliefs ? yes. beliefs? yes. >> well , that's certainly >> well, that's certainly something that we found in our survey earlier this year. and as i as i mentioned at the in my first remarks, we found that 1 in 3 people had been disadvant ed because of their faith . now, ed because of their faith. now, if you substitute that for any other protected characteristic disability age sexuality, that would be a headline news. and we on the on the mainstream media and we wouldn't tolerate it. and isuppose and we wouldn't tolerate it. and i suppose in a way all that we're calling for is for all of those human rights to be properly upheld across the board . so we're not looking we're not calling on parliament or the government to reinvent the wheel here. there is extensive legislation in place recognising and upholding freedom of religion or belief. we want to see that upheld and enforced in the way that other rights are . the way that other rights are. >> and do we have any knowledge of the frequency? because it seems to me that this is a

growing concern every week on this show we have issues of workplace discrimination to discuss have discuss where christians have been essentially persecuted for their faith. been essentially persecuted for theirfaith. i been essentially persecuted for their faith. i know been essentially persecuted for theirfaith. i know in been essentially persecuted for their faith. i know in the report there was an example of an nhs chaplaincy, so a hospital chaplain who has been received a formal complaint for using the words god bless. i mean, if you can't expect a chaplain to say god bless, who can you? so do we have any evidence of the frequency or the increase in this kind of discrimination ? this kind of discrimination? >> well, certainly anecdotally , >> well, certainly anecdotally, there's lots of evidence to draw on. as you say, you use that quite farcical case of a of a person in a hospital facing disciplinary action for saying god bless . there are particular god bless. there are particular problems in the nhs , it seems, problems in the nhs, it seems, with a sort of pathological closing down of chaplaincy services in some places. we heard from people who work shifts and zero hours contracts who find it hard to get work because they can't commit to working on a sunday, for example. so there was a big body

of anecdotal evidence out there. and part of the reason why we want this inquiry in parliament to take freedom of religion seriously is to use some of the time and the parliamentary resources they've got to actually do a deep dive into this and come up with some more sort of empirical evidence on the problem and some recommendations to government. >> very good. well, thank you for all of your work in this, james, that was james somerville. michael, deputy director catholic union. director of the catholic union. thank for your time today. i thank you for your time today. i want to see what my panel make of that chaplaincy of this that nhs chaplaincy example is just one of many. conor it seems to me the words god bless are terrifying to certain demographics these days. >> yeah, we've heard on this show many times, calvin, you've been brilliant at platforming school and teachers school chaplains and teachers who have been subjected to mandatory diversity, equity and inclusion read inclusion training. read exclusion , identity, communism exclusion, identity, communism training instead . that is training instead. that is incompatible with christianity . incompatible with christianity. and so by the very nature of

this being mandatory, if you speak up about your christian beliefs, it becomes a new inquisition actually root out inquisition to actually root out christians workplace christians from the workplace. my christians from the workplace. my this is my scepticism about this is whether or not it will go anywhere, both because it will be chaired by harriet harman, who has had allegiances with some campaign who has had allegiances with some in campaign who has had allegiances with some in the campaign who has had allegiances with some in the past campaign who has had allegiances with some in the past, campaign who has had allegiances with some in the past, but campaign who has had allegiances with some in the past, but who paign who has had allegiances with some in the past, but who have groups in the past, but who have used gay acceptance as a trojan horse and also the equality act legislation itself. it tries to create a hierarchy or legislate according to a hierarchy . it according to a hierarchy. it tries to reconcile a bunch of incommensurate incompatible beliefs and identities because it tries to say that christianity and islam, for example, should have the same workplace protections. even if you voice both faiths in the workplace. disagreement could be considered discrimination. so it's to impossible it's going to be impossible to do under an equality do this under under an equality act and it will be act rubric, and it will be arbitrarily against arbitrarily applied against christians christianity christians because christianity has been precluded from public life stigmatised because it life and stigmatised because it is only against is the only bulwark against diversity inclusion. diversity, equity and inclusion. >> whole thing gets on my >> this whole thing gets on my nerves. i i went on holiday nerves. i was i went on holiday recently, obviously, and at the airport went the chapel and

airport i went to the chapel and it said a multi—faith prayer room instead of a chapel, actually in a christian country they christian chapel, they expect a christian chapel, but multi—faith prayer but it was multi—faith prayer room. inside. there was room. i walked inside. there was no cross. there was no menorah. there just mats, mats, mats there were just mats, mats, mats and now, room and sandals. now, the room had obviously over by obviously been taken over by one particular religion, and other religions feel religions would feel uncomfortable in that environment, the environment, but it comes to the point you were saying point of that. you were saying that once you get rid of protecting one faith, it becomes about faiths. about all faiths. >> this is the lie of >> yeah, this is the lie of neutral institutions. no institution is neutral. it's always people . it's always staffed by people. it's even by those of your even staffed by those of your friends with what kind friends who agree with what kind of you want frankly, of country you want or frankly, your who slowly wish your enemies, who slowly wish to push out time. and push it out over time. and unfortunately, our who unfortunately, our enemies who would advance an would like to advance an identity agenda, find identity communist agenda, find that any religion that isn't christianity is very advantageous to have in public life. >> is that the case? dennis i'm not i appreciated jamie's not sure i appreciated jamie's comments. >> i did read his report and i did look for evidence . i thought did look for evidence. i thought of it myself as mp who sat on of it myself as an mp who sat on that kind of committee . and that kind of committee. and actually not for mps to actually it's not for mps to find evidence, it's for people

to bring evidence . it's really to bring evidence. it's really tabulate evidence to every constituency surgery and say this is what's happening down the road in our constituency. mr or ms mp and then i'm sure harriet, i mean she'll retire at the next election would, would, would take it up the thing that's two tiny points covid one is sauce for goose sauce for ganden is sauce for goose sauce for gander. if you're going to do this just for christians, then other religions all of which believe passionately in one. we're not going to go into details about women's rights. a number of issues will demand exactly equal treatment. my point is that all faiths are equal >> not all cultures are equal. >> not all cultures are equal. >> well, well, well. okay. that is a different debate. if we're going to have a hierarchy of belief. i mean, we used to treat jews as very differently in the time of. the other thing is i keep thinking of jesus's injunction render unto caesar that which is caesar render unto god that which is god. i'm not

saying workplaces are caesar, but they're part of the of the secular life, the non religious. >> that wouldn't mean don't be a christian at work. >> and of course you could be a christian at work, but it is for the christian faith to prove absolutely . absolutely. >> that's a good argument because render unto caesar and render unto god. if the sabbath day or if the lord's day sunday is saved for god and you are a christian and you want to have make sure your lord stays protected, that should protected. >> the muslims will say the same about fridays will say about fridays and jews will say the about fridays. and the same about fridays. and i don't know what days of don't know what other days of the it's all the weekend . the week. it's all the weekend. it's not a competition. but but we very serious we have had very serious problems when new faiths arriving in britain have come and said we want that . right. and said we want that. right. the same. right. you're demanding just for we have the same if we went to saudi arabia or dubai or i know that i don't think israel. >> so we have to stop playing this game of everything is equal this game of everything is equal. you so much to my equal. thank you so much to my wonderful duellist tonight, connor and denis

connor tomlinson and denis mcshane. been mcshane. you've both been amazing in the amazing and coming up in the final my comments, such final part of my comments, such crusade father crusade this week, father benedict be here benedict keeley will be here to tell about devastating tell us about the devastating humanitarian unfolding in humanitarian crisis unfolding in artsakh, enclave of artsakh, an enclave of azerbaijan

welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your tv onune calvin robinson on your tv online and on your wireless is one of the biggest humanitarian disasters currently facing the planet. is unfolding in the caucasus region , where 120,000 caucasus region, where 120,000 indigenous christians , armenians indigenous christians, armenians are starving in artsakh , a are starving in artsakh, a breakaway state of azerbaijan . breakaway state of azerbaijan. the area is landlocked and is currently subject to an economic blockade by azerbaijan, leading to horrific suffering and deprivation . almost the entire deprivation. almost the entire population of artsakh are members of the armenian apostolic church , the world's apostolic church, the world's oldest community of christian

believers. here to tell me more, i'm joined by father benedict kiely, founder of nazarean org a charity which helps persecuted christians . father, thank you so christians. father, thank you so much for coming on to talk about this very serious issue. i haven't heard much about it and i believe many of my followers haven't either. so if you could start off by giving us a brief synopsis of what's going on, that'd great. that'd be great. >> thank you much for >> well, thank you so much for having me, calvin. and gb having me, calvin. and to gb news, it's news, because as you say, it's not being covered by the mainstream media virtually at all. just discuss the all. we could just discuss the reasons not basically , it's reasons why not basically, it's very simple. the little enclave of nagorno—karabakh or artsakh as it's called, which is a part now of azerbaijan , but really is now of azerbaijan, but really is a part of ancient armenia. armenia to that ancient christian country , the first christian country, the first christian country, the first christian country, the first christian country on earth. 301 became a christian country 36 years before constantine was bapfised. years before constantine was baptised . these christians are baptised. these christians are in this area of azerbaijan, 120,000 men, women and children

, at least 30,000 children. they're being blockaded by azerbaijan , been literally azerbaijan, been literally starved to death, literally no food , food, no medicine, no food, food, no medicine, no suppues food, food, no medicine, no supplies at all. and the world seems to be diverted by ukraine. all sorts of other reasons . but all sorts of other reasons. but this is happening as we speak. nothing is getting into this country. these people are suffering and the world seems to have either turned its head away or for some particular reason, doesn't actually want to deal with this situation . with this situation. >> and i do love that nugget of information there that it was the first christian community. and of course, founded by the apostles. it was what bartholomew and thaddeus ? well, bartholomew and thaddeus? well, it's very useful for when you're doing trivial pursuit. >> calvin , what's the first >> calvin, what's the first christian country on earth ? and christian country on earth? and people will say all sorts of things and you say, it was things and you say, no, it was armenia 301. king tiridates the third tiridates the great proclaimed that country , proclaimed that country,

christian country. and interestingly enough, in azerbaijan, in nagorno—karabakh, the azerbaijan is are destroying christian cemeteries , christian christian cemeteries, christian structures , fourth fifth century structures, fourth fifth century monasteries. so one of structures, fourth fifth century monasteries . so one of the monasteries. so one of the things you do when you're ethnically cleansing a country, you deny that the original inhabitants were there. so the destroying for example, graveyards, they're destroying the crosses to make out that , the crosses to make out that, oh, no, christians were never here. well, christians were there. they've been there for 1700 years. >> well, there was a similar situation with the armenian genocide, wasn't that people denied it actually happened denied that it actually happened . much . it's amazing how much persecution this region has been through . father, what can people through. father, what can people do to if they're watching do to help if they're watching today ? today? >> well, we so often, calvin , >> well, we so often, calvin, feel there's nothing we can do. we hear horror after horror after horror. i just wrote an article in the european conservative magazine. it's very easy, actually. we don't have to lose any blood. we don't have to send troops, trade . simple send any troops, trade. simple as that. azerbaijan trades with

the european union . guess what? the european union. guess what? it's because we're getting a lot of oil, we're getting a lot of petrol, a lot of gas from azerbaijan. so surprisingly enough, our politicians are keeping rather quiet about it. we need to rise up and speak to our politicians, our elected representatives and say, this is happening. what are you doing about heard the phrase about it? i've heard the phrase concern turn. there's a lot concern turn. there's been a lot of concern from european politicians. concern politicians. well, concern didn't save 1.5 million armenians . between 1915 and armenians. between 1915 and 1917. at this moment, armenians. between 1915 and 1917. at this moment , 120,000 1917. at this moment, 120,000 christians are in danger of death , not just being driven out death, not just being driven out of their homeland , genocide. so of their homeland, genocide. so we need to start using trade, trade and aid. it's as simple as that. if we pull the money plug , then something will happen . , then something will happen. >> very sound advice. thank you very much . that's father very much. that's father benedict kiely nazarene benedict kiely from nazarene org. thank you for your time today. now, week on today. father now, each week on the show, we like to end with our closing prayer and tonight

i'll reading the collect for i'll be reading the collect for the 13th sunday after trinity . the 13th sunday after trinity. almighty and merciful god of whose only gift it cometh that thy faithful people do unto thee true and laudable service. grant we beseech thee that we may so faithfully serve thee in this life that we fail, not finally to attain thy heavenly promises through the merits of jesus christ our lord. amen. you have been watching calvin's common sense crusade with me, the reverend calvin robinson. i'll be back next saturday at 7 pm. next up, it's darren grimes and his liberal friends. but before that, there's a weather forecast. thank you once again forecast. thank you once again for tuning in for series two. and thank you to and once again, thank you to emma keeping this chair emma webb for keeping this chair warm. now on the beach warm. she's now on the beach where was last week? hope she's having god all. having fun. god bless you all. day, asphalt, that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. good evening.

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on start of the new on into the start of the new working though , working week. still, though, with that lingering front across working week. still, though, witifar at lingering front across working week. still, though, witifar north jering front across working week. still, though, witifar north andg front across working week. still, though, witifar north and also nt across working week. still, though, witifar north and also the :ross the far north and also the isobars together isobars squeezing together across so across the west country. so monday, of monday, generally a bit of a breezier day for parts of devon, cornwall, definitely some coastal gusts, but elsewhere, winds relatively winds will be relatively light inland a decent inland and there'll be a decent amount of sunshine throughout much day. again, once much of the day. again, once that early and fog does that early mist and fog does clear its way off, we hold to on some that sunshine throughout clear its way off, we hold to on sonrest that sunshine throughout clear its way off, we hold to on son rest of at sunshine throughout clear its way off, we hold to on son rest of the unshine throughout clear its way off, we hold to on son rest of the week,e throughout clear its way off, we hold to on son rest of the week, perhaps 1out the rest of the week, perhaps a little more cloud developing little bit more cloud developing more thursday, but more towards thursday, but that's also where our temperatures will be climbing. the by warm the highest by by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. >> proud sponsors of weather on

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