calling on the government to do is to publish a full list of all of the schools affected so that is to publish a full list of all of the scan»ls affected so that is to publish a full list of all of the scan be affected so that is to publish a full list of all of the scan be confident) that is to publish a full list of all of the scan be confident about parents can be confident about where problems are. and where the problems are. and if they're prepared that, they're not prepared to do that, we will force a vote in parliament this week to make it happen. parliament this week to make it hapthe, of people crossing >> the number of people crossing the boats has the channel in small boats has hit record for this hit a new daily record for this yeah hit a new daily record for this year. 872 migrants in 15 dinghies intercepted dinghies were intercepted yesterday. at least another two small boats have made it to uk waters today. the total number of people entering the country illegally has now passed 21,000. this year, but that is still significantly lower than this time last year, when 25,000 people had made the journey . the people had made the journey. the chancellor has renewed his pledge to halve inflation, saying it's time to see the job through. speaking ahead of the next bank of england announcement on the 21st of september, jeremy hunt insisted the government is on track to reach the target this year . reach the target this year. labouris reach the target this year. labour is accusing him, though, of being completely out of touch with the realities faced by families across the country. it comes as the latest figures show the uk economy recovered from the uk economy recovered from

the faster than the pandemic faster than expected . tesco staff are being expected. tesco staff are being offered body cams after a significant rise in violent attacks. chief executive ken murphy says he's been forced to increase security measures after seeing physical assaults rise by a third since last year. seeing physical assaults rise by a third since last year . writing a third since last year. writing in the mail on sunday, he's called for tougher laws to make abuse or violence towards retail workers an offence which would result in longer sentences . a result in longer sentences. a red weather alert has been issued for parts of spain as storms sweep across the country . a residents in alcanar on the east coast that's just south of barcelona have been told to stay inside as water floods the streets in the capital. madrid's mayor has advised the same with torrential rain forecast over the next 12 hours. a similar story in the united states where one person has died and tens of thousands of people are stranded at the burning man festival. authorities have closed access in and out of the site in the

blackrock desert because of heavy rain in nevada . festival heavy rain in nevada. festival goers have been asked to conserve food and water with local reports suggesting up to 70,000 people are stranded and more rain is expected over the next few days. so some people have decided to leave the event on foot. trekking to the nearest highway now, this is gb news. i'll be back with more in just under an hour's time. but now it isfime under an hour's time. but now it is time for free speech nation . is time for free speech nation. >> musician roisin murphy is cancelled for stating the obvious vigilantes in london attack ulez cameras and an mp in finland is on trial for quoting the bible. this is free speech nafion the bible. this is free speech nation . welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speech nafion nation. welcome to free speech nation . with me, andrew doyle. nation. with me, andrew doyle. another week in the culture war and another cancelled session. this time it's the singer songwriter roisin murphy, who is

being vilified by activists onune being vilified by activists online and in the media and accused of transphobia and hate, even though, of course, she has said nothing transphobic or hateful . her record label label hateful. her record label label ninja tune, has put a stop to promotion of her new album, hit parade , and announced that all parade, and announced that all the proceeds from the album will go to pro trans groups . by now, go to pro trans groups. by now, of course, we're accustomed to this kind of story. i cover them every week and it gets very tiring repeatedly told every week and it gets very tiringcancel repeatedly told every week and it gets very tiringcancel cultureedly told every week and it gets very tiringcancel culture isy told every week and it gets very tiringcancel culture is atold every week and it gets very tiringcancel culture is a myth that cancel culture is a myth when so much evidence for its existence keeps on piling up. it's what they call gaslighting. the party has told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears . it's the evidence of your eyes and ears. it's their final most essential command . well, some of essential command. well, some of us are sick of these authorities . unions destroying people's lives. and then denying that they so. bullying and they are doing so. bullying and harassing people and pretending they're let's they're the good guys. let's have a look at what murphy actually said. what crime could she have committed that is so vile.7 she needs to be punished and shamed . well, it and publicly shamed. well, it was simple message posted on was a simple message posted on her which read ,

her facebook page which read, please don't call me a terf . please don't call me a terf. please don't call me a terf. please don't call me a terf. please don't keep using that word against women. i beg you . word against women. i beg you. but puberty blockers are left absolutely desolate at big pharma, laughing all the way to the bank. little mixed up kids are vulnerable and need to be protected . and that's just true protected. and that's just true . and that's it. that's all it takes. and when the sharks tasted blood, murphy issued an apology. she wrote, i cannot apologise enough for being the reason for this eruption of damaging and potentially dangerous social media, fire and brimstone to witness the ramifications of my actions and the divisions it has caused is heartbreaking . many have heartbreaking. many have criticised murphy for apologising, but i don't think that's fair until you've been subjected to this kind of pressure, you don't know how distressing it is. there's a good reason why testimony extracted under torture is inadmissible in court. people in pain say anything to make pain will say anything to make it go away. predictably murphy's apology has made no difference . apology has made no difference. the attacks have continued, and in some have even in some quarters have even escalated since her apology. two

of london gigs have been of her london gigs have been cancelled with no explanation whatsoever . the sad truth is whatsoever. the sad truth is that apologising to the wolves is simply throwing them more meat. you can't appease a mob when it's driven by bloodlust , when it's driven by bloodlust, but of course any sane adult who hasn't been mesmerised by this intolerant ideology will know that there was nothing remotely hateful in what murphy in hateful in what murphy said. in fact , her criticism of puberty fact, her criticism of puberty blockers entirely in line blockers is entirely in line with the conclusions of the interim report, which led to the closure of the tavistock paediatric gender clinic in london in the report, it was found that there is a lack of secure regarding the secure evidence regarding the safety of puberty blockers . and safety of puberty blockers. and as we are learning more about this treatment, the experts are lining up to oppose it. in june , the nhs announced that puberty blockers be limited blockers would be limited to children clinical trials . children on clinical trials. following similar reviews finland, sweden norway have finland, sweden and norway have also implemented restrictions . also implemented restrictions. last month there was an open letter to the wall street journal. by 21 leading experts in paediatric gender treatment. they were writing to oppose the

view that gender affirming care is best for children, and pointed out that the common claim that puberty blockers reduce the risk of suicide is simply not backed up by the evidence . unsurprisingly, this evidence. unsurprisingly, this open letter went largely unreported . when children are unreported. when children are put on puberty blockers in almost all cases, this leads to cross—sex hormones and the risks are now becoming clear . are now becoming clear. sterility, depression , lifelong sterility, depression, lifelong regret. and all of this disproportionately impacting young people with autism or those who are simply gay. studies show that in the vast majority of cases, feelings of gender dysphoria in youth are resolved by puberty . so why are resolved by puberty. so why are we blocking the cure .7 and given we blocking the cure.7 and given the mounting evidence of the dangers of puberty blockers , why dangers of puberty blockers, why is there not a serious discussion taking place about banning them altogether either? why are medical experts willing to experiment on the most vulnerable in society on the bafis vulnerable in society on the basis of a kind of intuition that flies in the face of the evidence? as roisin murphy said in her facebook post, little

mixed up kids are vulnerable and need to be protected. what's so controversial about that? murphy is being demonised for daring to speak the truth. she's being punished for heresy. speak the truth. she's being punished for heresy . she speak the truth. she's being punished for heresy. she made an example of so that the rest of us will keep our mouths shut. but this won't last long. the overwhelming majority of the pubuc she overwhelming majority of the public she correct. public know that she is correct. so do the medical experts, so too do the medical experts, the politicians and the commentariat up until now commentariat who, up until now have been so terrified to speak their minds. but once we all stop being afraid, the power of the mob will dissipate . and the mob will dissipate. and surely at this point, it's only a matter of time. surely at this point, it's only a matter of time . and my studio a matter of time. and my studio guests this evening are paul cox and josh howie , who so . paul, and josh howie, who so. paul, have you had a good week? >> i've had a good week. my daughter turned 14 this week, so i'm now officially redundant. officially old? yeah, i'm officially course, i've officially old. of course, i've been time now. i'm officially old. of course, i've be my time now. i'm officially old. of course, i've be my 40s, time now. i'm officially old. of course, i've be my 40s, butime now. i'm officially old. of course, i've be my 40s, but yeah,)w. i'm officially old. of course, i've be my 40s, but yeah, she 'm in my mid 40s, but yeah, she only wants me for my money now

and course and she's of course disappointed, all children. >> waiting you for you >> there's waiting you for you to die can inherit the to die so they can inherit the lot it. lot of it. >> p- >> exactly. yeah. >> exactly. yeah. >> hate to be so cynical near the the show. what the start of the show. what about josh? you've got five about you, josh? you've got five of them, so maybe. >> 14. yeah he >> yeah. my son's14. yeah he went on a date paul's went out on a date with paul's daughter going to daughter and they're going to be grandparents daughter and they're going to be gra goodness. well, lovely >> goodness. well, that's lovely news. lovely family news. what a lovely family orientated start to the show. we're going to get some lovely questions our studio questions from our studio audience hopefully. let's audience, hopefully. let's have audience, hopefully. let's have a our first question is a look. our first question is from paul. where's paul? hi, paul >> hi. is it possible for hotel staff freely when they staff to speak freely when they have a pride event? >> yeah, this was a great story. i read this this week. there was a basically there was pride in manchester. it was the hotel. i think it was the malmaison hotel . and someone was sitting in . and someone who was sitting in the lobby, someone who was attending and staying attending pride and staying at the overheard the members the hotel, overheard the members of staff on the front desk saying something that they found offensive. in fact , what they offensive. in fact, what they said that men are men and said was that men are men and women women and there's no women are women and there's no in science

in between. so you know, science and not. so did you read about this, josh, because not only did this, josh, because not only did this person get offended and complained and now there's an internal investigation at the hotel. had take their hotel. they had to take their headphones out to eavesdrop on the conversation that they were headphones out to eavesdrop on the coffendedon that they were headphones out to eavesdrop on the coffended by. hat they were then offended by. >> and i don't think it was the desk. it was like it was in a cafe, like hotel. yeah, but that's it, exactly. eavesdropping private eavesdropping in on a private conversation? and and conversation? yeah and then. and then sort of then the person sort of apologised when they apologised and said when they were it just were confronted, but it just wasn't and that's what wasn't enough. and that's what we learnt also from the hiroshima . apologies. it's we learnt also from the hircenough. . apologies. it's we learnt also from the hircenough. it's . apologies. it's we learnt also from the hircenough. it's . apolenough.�*s not enough. it's never enough. no. want you to assume no. they just want you to assume their ideology 100% and any challenge to it must be met with being fired. >> i would go so far as to say never apologise. i'd say even if you're wrong at this point, because what's the point? they're going for you they're just going to go for you even yeah even more. yeah >> no, absolutely. >> yeah. no, no, absolutely. >> yeah. no, no, absolutely. >> 100% agree. i mean, isn't this weird isn't it this is a weird one, isn't it just does this just complaining how does this person in article? person not see in the article? they as bad guy they come across as the bad guy here they've reaffirmed they come across as the bad guy herthe they've reaffirmed they come across as the bad guy herthe time they've reaffirmed they come across as the bad guy herthe time that y've reaffirmed they come across as the bad guy herthe time that they're ffirmed they come across as the bad guy herthe time that they're not1ed all the time that they're not the bad guy. >> there's now. there's now >> there's this now. there's now this status where certain >> there's this now. there's now this stare; where certain >> there's this now. there's now this stare totally where certain >> there's this now. there's now this stare totally wherutterlyin views are totally and utterly protected. so therefore or if

anyone was to say anything to get it against it, it reaffirms their what's their position. yeah. what's happened have happened here is we have absolutely the absolutely no idea of the context that could context either that that could have completely out have been taken completely out of they could of context. yeah, they could have in third have been talking in the third person know , but person about what they know, but we they were we don't know what they were saying and course saying exactly. and of course it's dominant well. it's the dominant view as well. andrew it's not like not andrew it's not like it's not the this that it the point of this is that it happened during pride event at happened during a pride event at a which was hosting the a hotel which was hosting the pride so they were pride event. so they were they were seriously looking to be victimised yeah, but victimised anyway. but yeah, but so i mean, the idea that there's a on there for a pride event on there for certain are certain opinions are not allowed, strikes really allowed, it strikes me as really intolerant. allowed, it strikes me as really intcthe nt. allowed, it strikes me as really intcthe opposite what pride >> the opposite of what pride used about, is about used to be about, which is about freedom freedom of freedom of speech and freedom of expression. right yeah. >> should. i mean >> and pride. you should. i mean , alphabet people will have , the alphabet people will have now expanded so far that it includes so many vast groups of people you couldn't people that you couldn't identify them anyway. mean, identify them anyway. i mean, pride mainly about pride was mainly about homosexual people and celebrating that it's now way beyond that. well, it was about gay rights. >> now it's mostly about straight with a kink. straight people with a kink. yes, i think a fair yes, i think that's a fair comment . comment. >> yes. >> yes. >> yeah, that's m >> yes. >> yeah, that's go that's >> yeah, that's why i go that's why i was going

why exactly what i was going to say. okay. got >> josh okay. we've got a question from mike. where's question now from mike. where's mike? hi, mike. >> the press prince of bel >> does the press prince of bel air need an age warning, huh? >> you look like such a rapper there, mike. >> yo, what's up, guys ? it's the >> yo, what's up, guys? it's the fresh prince . fresh prince. >> well, it's not just the fresh prince. so this was an article about. apparently there's a website. what's the website called? josh? >> know, common sense media. >> you know, common sense media. >> you know, common sense media. >> common sense and >> common sense media and parents basically parents can write basically warnings on various shows. >> covered friends. they >> they've covered friends. they say is really offensive say friends is really offensive . covered prince . they've covered fresh prince of buffy the vampire of bel air, buffy the vampire slayer. mean , that's offensive slayer. i mean, that's offensive for being so for different reasons being so bad. josh i mean, look, this story strikes me as a bit of an odd one insofar as it looks a bit like a journalist just checking for something to write about. you know, it's like one of times where they look of those times where they look up twitter, oh, up on twitter, oh, look, a couple people are offended. couple of people are offended. i'm going it's like a i'm going to pretend it's like a big yeah. big deal. yeah. >> here's 1000 words. pay me £250. >> exactly. but it is >> exactly. but still, it is interesting see that you can interesting to see that you can basically pick apart anything. >> doesn't what >> yeah. it doesn't matter what it nothing will ever be

it is that nothing will ever be right enough. and but also what's is it's the what's interesting is it's the parents who writing about what's interesting is it's the pare stuff'ho writing about what's interesting is it's the parestuff'ho theyiting about what's interesting is it's the parestuff'ho they watchedut this stuff that they watched themselves in the 90s. so in a way , if it turned them into such way, if it turned them into such bonng way, if it turned them into such boring idiots, perhaps, maybe people shouldn't be watching that stuff anymore. well maybe. >> friends as i >> i mean, friends as well. i mean, friends did some dark mean, friends did have some dark moments, which really liked, moments, which i really liked, but idea that you be but the idea that you would be offended it, why offended or upset by it, why can't just leave comedy offended or upset by it, why can't that'st leave comedy offended or upset by it, why can't that's what e comedy offended or upset by it, why can't that's what that'sedy alone? that's what that's what i would like. are would like. there are all comedy, the well, i never comedy, all the well, i never watched buffy, but i assume it wasn't comedy. watched buffy, but i assume it wasthe comedy. watched buffy, but i assume it wasthe rest omedy. watched buffy, but i assume it wasthe rest ofiedy. watched buffy, but i assume it wasthe rest of deliberately not. >> the rest of deliberately not. they comedies, they were all comedies, weren't they? documentary fresh prince was based on true was documentary based on a true story. the fresh prince in particular was seen as very progressive time. you progressive at the time. you know, a full black family know, it was a full black family and educated black and and educated black family. and the idea that that was offensive in some way. and like josh said, a lot of these things are being commented by by 30 and 40 somethings that would have watched as teenagers. they watched it as teenagers. they weren't offended. would weren't offended. then why would they why would they be offended now? why would they be offended now? why would they behalf they be offended on behalf of their children who probably don't exactly don't care anyway? exactly >> i they're going to put >> i mean, they're going to put warnings. next? cosby

>> i mean, they're going to put warninyou next? cosby >> i mean, they're going to put warninyou know, text? cosby >> i mean, they're going to put warninyou know, well, cosby >> i mean, they're going to put warninyou know, well, they)sby show, you know, well, they probably should have warned. >> maybe they on that one. maybe that's a bad example. one. m'goingiat's a bad example. one. m'goingiat's a beonexample. one. m'goingiat's a beon to mple. one. m'goingiat's a beon to the e. we're going to move on to the next from aviv. aviv. hi. >> what's the difference between a and boil? a blade runner and just boil? >> actually, we're >> okay. so actually, we're going to be debating ulez later. now, blade runners, the now, blade runners, this is the name who are name for the people who are smashing the cameras in smashing up all the cameras in london. do you have a view on this? do you? yeah. grab the mic. what's your view? >> well , there are some >> well, there are some difference. so first of all, obviously, both are illegal on the one but i'd say one the one hand, but i'd say one not inconvenience people, the other lot perhaps don't. right. both are not legal. so. >> well, it's a criminality is the key point, isn't it? i mean, i think that's perhaps the thing that's common. i mean, that's in common. i mean, joshua, know, all joshua, like, you know, i'm all for protest, protest is for protest, i think protest is a a healthy society. a sign of a healthy society. i'm for vandalism don't for not vandalism and i don't care what the cause is. >> absolutely. >> no, absolutely. >> no, absolutely. >> and also, costing >> and also, it's costing resources to fix resources and money to fix these. like that's these. it's not like that's going people who are going to be people who are against sort of against ulez who are sort of going, this is a thing, against ulez who are sort of gointhis this is a thing, against ulez who are sort of gointhis isthis is a thing, against ulez who are sort of gointhis is ais is a thing, against ulez who are sort of gointhis is a signa thing, against ulez who are sort of gointhis is a sign of thing, against ulez who are sort of gointhis is a sign of democracy. and this is a sign of democracy. no, it's not going smashing up cameras. that's not what's going

no, it's not going smashing up ca stops. that's not what's going no, it's not going smashing up ca stops. theyou're what's going no, it's not going smashing up ca stops. theyou're against going to stop it. if you're against it. protest and also elections. >> and what about what would stop comparison in that >> and what about what would stop is comparison in that >> and what about what would stop is makingrison in that >> and what about what would stop is making with in that >> and what about what would stop is making with just1at >> and what about what would stop is making with just stop aviva is making with just stop oil as well? aviva is making with just stop oil a mean,�* aviva is making with just stop oil a mean, just stop >> i mean, just stop oil sometimes commit have sometimes also commit have committed sometimes also commit have comm is ad sometimes also commit have comm is where they lose the which is where they lose the sympathy of public. sympathy of the public. >> absolutely. >> well, absolutely. >> well, absolutely. >> in the the venn diagram of >> in the in the venn diagram of vigilante groups, oil vigilante groups, just stop oil and the blade runners, the thing that them together is the that brings them together is the criminality element in the middle thing would middle there. one thing i would say, however, much say, however, is we're much freer, particularly in mainstream media, to talk about just oil in a kind of just stop oil in a kind of friendly way. and aren't they doing good thing really? doing a good thing really? whereas runners , we're whereas blade runners, we're constantly reminded that this is a act. no a criminal act. no one constantly reminds us that what just stop oil is doing is a criminal act. so i think they both have their place. i i'm, i'm same as you. i wouldn't i'm the same as you. i wouldn't want stand either of their want to stand in either of their ways it's when there is ways when it's when there is a criminal element. it isn't it it isn't helpful . but then isn't helpful. but then sometimes are just made up. sometimes laws are just made up. >> yeah, but i mean , on the >> yeah, but i mean, on the other think you do you other hand, i think you do you see, any cause you see, i think with any cause you alienate the very people that you be sort of trying to

you should be sort of trying to get side. once into get on side. once you go into this this criminal aspect, i think. >> but yeah, i think there'll be a people out there who a lot of people out there who would differently in terms would argue differently in terms of runners because of blade runners just because they £12.50 day. >> well, yeah, that seems be >> well, yeah, that seems to be what it's about. okay. well, we've question from we've got another question from andy. hi andy. >> the makeup art >> yeah. should the makeup art on bradley cooper's new film have apologised? >> yeah . so this was the film >> yeah. so this was the film about leonard bernstein? bradley cooper plays leonard bernstein is obviously heavily made up by the guy who also did the makeup for darkest hour. do you remember turned oh, gary oldman into winston churchill. and this is a japanese american artist, kazu hiro, who obviously is a brilliant makeup artist. josh, they're describing this as jew face. they're saying this is a anti—semitic. it was an anti—semitic. it was an anti—semitic work. >> well, some people are. >> well, some people are. >> i mean, as corbyn would say, bernstein little in—joke there . bernstein little in—joke there. but yes , the people i think that but yes, the people i think that people who are committed, it's

not the homogenous jewish community of saying, but there are some jewish people who are complaining about this. and i think it's comes down to a sort of hypocrisy of seemingly of the hypocrisy of seemingly within that sort of very progressive world of film. is that you now are not supposed to play that you now are not supposed to play outside of your ethnicity and whatnot, except for jews. and this goes back. i know. so everyone's heard this a thousand times. you know , the whole david times. you know, the whole david baddiel thing. yes. and that. so i think that's where people are upset. it's being judaism is an ethno religion in this japanese american makeup artist. if he had dressed me up as a japanese person, people would be arguably outraged. yes, but, you person, people would be arguably outraged. yes, but , you know, person, people would be arguably outraged. yes, but, you know, in a jewish person's mind, that's a similar thing. so giving someone a big nose to portray them as a jew. yes. is arguably offensive. >> but what he was doing with the makeup was trying to replicate as close as possible. how what bernstein looked like. and in fact, his family were

constantly showing up. >> the family wants it. they want well, they the film to >> the family wants it. they wa well. ll, they the film to >> the family wants it. they wa well. they're the film to >> the family wants it. they wa well. they're not the film to >> the family wants it. they wa well. they're not goingilm to >> the family wants it. they wa well. they're not going tor to do well. they're not going to turn afterwards. go, turn around afterwards. and go, actually, don't actually, you know, i don't i don't think it was an anti—semitic caricature. >> was literally >> i think he was literally trying what you >> i think he was literally trying see, what you >> i think he was literally trying see, how what you >> i think he was literally trying see, how forwhat you >> i think he was literally trying see, how for many'ou >> i think he was literally trying see, how for many people could see, how for many people doing know, noses and doing, you know, big noses and whatever is, they that whatever that is, they use that as denigrate jewish as a way to denigrate jewish people. sure. but i think in this case, they are trying to replicate looks like replicate what he looks like rather exaggerated. replicate what he looks like ratibut exaggerated. replicate what he looks like ratibut it's exaggerated. replicate what he looks like ratibut it's like laggerated. replicate what he looks like ratibut it's like the erated. replicate what he looks like ratibut it's like the whole >> but then it's like the whole idea, don't want to idea, i guess it i don't want to bnngin idea, i guess it i don't want to bring in other ethnicities and stuff like that much as stuff like that as much as possible, but i could see why people offended it. it people are offended by it. it doesn't me . i doesn't personally offend me. i think where i get more offended because i actually review for the jewish chronicle. so i watch a lot of tv shows and with usually with a jewish angle to them . and winds me up them. and but it winds me up when there are non—jewish people playing jews, not necessarily because of the looks as necessary, but whether they fully capture the for how much we use our hands. now every there is jewish. i've never met you before but i was straightway

jew because of the way that he asked the question. and whatever josh is allowed to point to point and say jew, that's not something i would do. >> the point is, jews, we have ourjudeo and whatever, so that our judeo and whatever, so that it shouldn't take a big nose to make someone they should be able to act it. this is a similar thing to the question of whether gay people, whether straight people people in people should play gay people in hollywood. get this quite people should play gay people in hollywhere get this quite people should play gay people in hollywhere lgbtet this quite people should play gay people in hollywhere lgbt communitye a lot where the lgbt community get outraged when someone get very outraged when someone is cast. but i kind of think just the best person . and i just cast the best person. and i think that should be across the board. brokeback board. i mean, like brokeback mountain, than board. i mean, like brokeback moulike1, than board. i mean, like brokeback moulike and than board. i mean, like brokeback moulike and they than board. i mean, like brokeback moulike and they they than board. i mean, like brokeback moulike and they they do an board. i mean, like brokeback moulike and they they do it. am, like and they they do it. they do it much more convincingly than i do. no, but people think i'm straight because i beer and i've people think i'm straight bec my; i beer and i've people think i'm straight bec my own beer and i've people think i'm straight bec my own spiriteer and i've people think i'm straight bec my own spirit level.i i've people think i'm straight bec my own spirit level. but; people think i'm straight bec my own spirit level. but but got my own spirit level. but but those seem very, very gay those guys seem very, very gay to me. >> t- t— to me. >> seemed very, very gay to >> they seemed very, very gay to particularly in the particularly that bit in the tent seemed ultimately the tent that seemed ultimately the most thing could do, most gay thing you could do, actually, in the tent. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah, i would say with regards, i obviously i'm regards, i mean, obviously i'm not a jew. wouldn't not a jew. i wouldn't have walked room and said, walked into the room and said, a visa jew. wouldn't known. walked into the room and said, a visa not /. wouldn't known. walked into the room and said, a visa not you vouldn't known. walked into the room and said, a visa not you know, 't known. walked into the room and said, a visa not you know, i'm known. walked into the room and said, a

visa not you know, i'm not> so we're going to take a break. but next on free speech nafion break. but next on free speech nation is sadiq khan's ulez scheme a rare example of a politician coming up with long scheme a rare example of a politiplan:oming up with long scheme a rare example of a politi plan toning up with long scheme a rare example of a politiplan to solveip with long scheme a rare example of a politiplan to solve a with long scheme a rare example of a politiplan to solve a major long term plan to solve a major problem spirited problem or a mean spirited assault of the most assault on some of the most vulnerable members of society. to guests will be here to to great guests will be here to debate do go debate this one. do not go

anywhere

radio. >> welcome back to free speech nation. london mayor sadiq khan's ultra low emission zone or ulez, was expanded to cover the whole of greater london on tuesday. the scheme under which cars which do not meet stipulated emission standards have to pay £12.50 a day to drive in london has huge implications for the whole country and has aroused enormous debate. and on friday, the met police announced that over 500 crimes stealing or crimes involving stealing or damaging the ulez cameras have been recorded in just the last five months. here to discuss this, joined the founder this, i'm joined by the founder of british weather services and author upcoming book author of upcoming book surviving extreme weather jim dale and the deputy editor of spiked, fraser myers . so jim dale and the deputy editor of spiked, fraser myers. so jim , spiked, fraser myers. so jim, can i come to you first about this? so what are your views of ulez expanding to greater london? well as a meteorologist, we look at the environment, we

look at the air. >> we measure it this week. we're going into a little bit of a heat wave. as you might know by now. so that's going to be subsiding air that's going to increase the pollution , whether increase the pollution, whether you like it or not, or whether ulez is there not. so that's ulez is there or not. so that's going happen. but i you know, going to happen. but i you know, i'm a big believer in in to be honest with you, i don't think anybody's wants pollution . it's anybody's wants pollution. it's not a case of wanting pollution . i'm in favour of pollution. nobodyis. . i'm in favour of pollution. nobody is . yeah. okay. so it's nobody is. yeah. okay. so it's how we get rid of it step by step. and i think ulysses part of part of it , step. and i think ulysses part of part of it, not of that, it's part of it, not just ulez, by the way. also so other other cities in this country and towns are going in a similar direction. >> like to see ulez >> so you'd like to see ulez expanded the country? >> so you'd like to see ulez epreah, the country? >> so you'd like to see ulez epreah, i the country? >> so you'd like to see ulez epreah, i think the country? >> so you'd like to see ulez epreah, i think ulezountry? >> so you'd like to see ulez epreah, i think ulez has ry? >> so you'd like to see ulez epreah, i think ulez has got >> yeah, i think ulez has got a bad, name. if i can say bad, bad name. if i can say that. it's become quite personalised and i think we have to down and say this is to focus down and say this is more about better lives, healthier lives, rather than saying , this healthier lives, rather than saying, this is healthier lives, rather than saying , this is you, healthier lives, rather than saying, this is you, this is sadiq khan. so it's beyond that. and you know, i want good health

for everybody. and i don't want as you'll find out this week, walking down, see marylebone road or something, even with ulez , you're going you're ulez, you're going to you're going struggle in terms of going to struggle in terms of the emissions are out that the emissions that are out that are emissions from are poisonous emissions from cars, from vehicles. nobody would doubt that. no, no science would doubt that. no, no science would ever say that's the would ever say that. that's the opposite. and we need opposite. and we don't need to go what the problem is, go there. what the problem is, is financial side . and i is the financial side. and i would say one thing about the financial and is this financial side, and that is this all started and pollution starts, fossil fuels starts with a fossil fuel companies. if you want the money to compensate those that have been disenfranchised by ulez, then i would suggest you knock on the door of the fossil fuel industry who are earning billions. >> well, let me just bring in fraser at this point, because i want to ask about whether or not you feel that ulez is effective to tackle precisely the kind of problems that jim is outlining . problems that jim is outlining. >> well, one of the interesting things is that the things about ulez is that the there's of debate over the there's a lot of debate over the science , a lot of the science science, a lot of the science that sadiq has been using that sadiq khan has been using

has shown been has been shown to have been fiddled in some way. >> so sadiq khan produced got imperial college to produce a report. it was paid for by the london mayor's office. it said all the things the london mayor wanted to hear, that pollution was killing 4000 people prematurely a year. that outer london is the worst place for pollution. and therefore, you know , ulez expansion should go know, ulez expansion should go ahead and that will dramatically help people and save lives . help people and save lives. >> but you're not implying that he paid for those answers? >> no. but then subsequent there was another report came out from the university, the same university, from imperial, group of imperial, a different group of researchers, and they were looking the inner london ulez looking at the inner london ulez and actually, it and they said, actually, it didn't really make much of a difference. really cut difference. it didn't really cut nitrogen much and nitrogen levels that much and therefore really make therefore it doesn't really make sense to make these kind of bold claims the london mayor's claims. then the london mayor's office the phone to office gets on the phone to their original scientist says, can arrange rebuttal call? can we arrange a rebuttal call? and they put out a joint statement saying it's going statement saying that it's going to decrease to dramatically decrease pollution going save pollution and it's going to save lives. and then there are other there have other cases there have been other cases where previous study, i think

where a previous study, i think it from 2018, queen mary it was from 2018, queen mary university said that the lez , university said that the lez, which was the precursor to ulez , which tackled lorries , , which just tackled lorries, vans and buses and coaches , that vans and buses and coaches, that also found there's not going to be any effect on children's health. and so the mayor's office rang the scientists office rang up the scientists saying, you you shouldn't saying, you know, you shouldn't pubush saying, you know, you shouldn't publish we should publish this work. we should change conclusion really. change the conclusion really. they said you should they essentially said you should . know, why are you . you know, why? why are you saying this have an saying this won't have an effect? can't be right. effect? that can't be right. and the on the scientists, good on them stuck by their their report. so if this scheme is so brilliant, if this scheme is so brilliant, if this scheme is so brilliant, if this scheme is going to dramatically transform some people's in london, then people's lives in london, then you have to ask, well, why is the mayor and the and city hall essentially trying to bully scientists who disagree or trying to have the findings of research changed just in order to fit their concern ? to fit their concern? >> you, jim, you know, if it's the case that actually ulez doesn't really make a difference . if it is the case that . and if it is the case that city hall are putting pressure on scientists, surely city hall are putting pressure on swouldn't surely city hall are putting pressure on swouldn't support surely city hall are putting pressure on swouldn't support that. y city hall are putting pressure on swouldn't support that. well you wouldn't support that. well well, first all, i'm reticent well, first of all, i'm reticent about into the political

area. >> there's a political argument going on. we can see that quite clearly across the spectrum. so i'm more coming from the scientific point of view and make it clear, scientists argue from time to time they have throughout . throughout. >> yeah, they don't necessarily agree time . agree all the time. >> don't. that's that's >> no, they don't. that's that's how progress. that's how we make progress. that's that's what happens. somebody says says says one thing, somebody says another. my another. my, my idea or my theory is better than your theory. specifically, theory. but specifically, that's how on. how we move on. >> when sadiq khan is >> but when sadiq khan is saying, he's a saying, i reject, he's not a scientist he's saying to scientist and he's saying to scientists, this, can scientists, i reject this, can you you change? but can you you can you change? but can you change your mind? please >> know where that >> i don't know where that speech from. i you know, speech comes from. i you know, i don't know it's not i'm not don't know that it's not i'm not in position where can say in the position where i can say that happened was that that happened or it was the right wrong thing. right thing or the wrong thing. all i would say is the direction of travel is far reduced of travel is far as reduced pollution is concerned is the right one. i don't think there's a person i was at the i was out on the streets in bromley on on tuesday with the team from gb news and many , many interviews news and many, many interviews and many people came up and some of them were were anti, some of

them were pro they shook hands and the rest of it. and it and all the rest of it. and it went in direction. but went in that direction. but nobody and said, nobody turned around and said, look, you know, we want pollution, i keep coming pollution, but i keep coming back to this. i don't something but think people are but i don't think people are saying such. but i don't think people are sayi|g such. but i don't think people are sayi think such. but i don't think people are sayi think what uch. but i don't think people are sayi think what they're saying >> i think what they're saying is that they're concerned that if these ineffective yet if these are ineffective and yet they're day, if these are ineffective and yet they'rethat's day, if these are ineffective and yet they'rethat's i day, if these are ineffective and yet they'rethat's i think day, if these are ineffective and yet they'rethat's i think the day, that's that's i think the concern. >> every little helps, as >> it's every little helps, as the saying goes, every little step. and that has been the case throughout history as far as science is concerned. as far as as far as now, if there as far as this. now, if there are arguments going on with the politicians, absolutely fair. but fair enough. but as you know, fair enough. but as you know, fair enough. but i'm concerned, but as far as i'm concerned, looking at environment, looking at the environment, looking at the environment, looking all looking at the environment, looirest all looking at the environment, looirest of all looking at the environment, looirest of it, all looking at the environment, looirest of it, it's all the rest of it, it's indisputable that you take indisputable that if you take polluting the worst polluting vehicles off the road , then you vehicles off the road, then you will get a lower pollution. >> that's is that i mean, that's that's a fair argument, isn't it ? >> 7. >>i ? >> i think 7 >> i think where ? >> i think where jim is right, is that no one obviously, no one is that no one obviously, no one is in favour of pollution, but what people are in favour of is being able to drive their cars. you this is tax that is

you know, this is a tax that is going hit the poorest going to hit the poorest londoners. mayor's own londoners. the mayor's own research will research shows that it will disproportionately hit poor and disabled don't have disabled people who don't have the kind of options to use pubuc the kind of options to use public transport. if you're thinking certain thinking about certain professions like carers or, you know, builders, people who are small tradesmen, they don't really have the option to switch to public transport. it's very expensive to switch to a new or an electric vehicle and the mayor's scrappage scheme certainly doesn't cover their ability to do that. they might buy a car on credit, even. but you know, we're in a time of very interest rates. so very high interest rates. so thatis very high interest rates. so that is going to be very difficult. >> can just say, poorest >> can i just say, the poorest people in london have a people in london don't have a car. that absolutely car. let's make that absolutely clear. most the clear. they walk most of the places, are ones places, and those are the ones most exposed. look at any most exposed. if you look at any scientific graphs, it's the poor that suffer 1 in 5 people in the that suffer1 in 5 people in the world. if you take the world of death, die of some kind of pollutant pollution, pollution , pollutant pollution, pollution, in other words, whatever it is , in other words, whatever it is, those facts are wrong . those facts are wrong. >> okay, but okay, final thought from fraser, because we've

actually got to wrap up now. >> i just think it's really important to defend people's right to drive to be able to right to drive and to be able to go about london as see fit go about london as they see fit or in the country. or elsewhere in the country. as we schemes are we know, these schemes are proliferating . it is important proliferating. it is important that people have mobility and that people have mobility and that their travel isn't impeded by a you know, and their cost of living isn't pushed on them. okay, well , this debate no doubt okay, well, this debate no doubt will go on and on, but we have to put an end there. >> thanks ever so much to fraser and jim, who ? and next up on and jim, who? and next up on free speech nation, we're going to be meeting the students who have taken the fight to the culture warriors by setting up an organisation designed to fight at fight for free speech at universities. let's get universities. first, let's get your . your latest weather. >> looks like things are heating up . boxed boilers proud sponsors up. boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello there . good evening. >> hello there. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey who is your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. hope you enjoyed your weekend. it is ending on a fairly fine note for

many of us. a lot of clear intervals through the evening and overnight it away from the far north of scotland. that is going to remain a bit breezier and cloudier with mist and and cloudier with some mist and fog. patches will form underneath clear skies, underneath those clear skies, particularly underneath those clear skies, particula|southeast england , but england, southeast england, but also northern ireland turning quite murky first thing on monday for most of us, monday morning for most of us, though, will be fairly mild though, it will be a fairly mild warm start. temperatures around 14 15 c in a lot warm start. temperatures around 1415 c in a lot of our towns and cities . once mist and and cities. once that mist and fog eventually clear its fog does eventually clear its way monday promises to be a way off, monday promises to be a pretty day for many of pretty glorious day for many of us. a good swathe of sunshine for vast majority of the uk for the vast majority of the uk . it will a bit breezy around . it will be a bit breezy around the country, gusty along the west country, gusty along some coastlines here and always cloud the very cloud lingering across the very far north of scotland. drizzly outbreaks of rain for shetland as elsewhere in that as well. but elsewhere in that sunshine feeling warm sunshine feeling very warm widely mid 20s, if not widely into the mid 20s, if not the high 20s across southern england and wales as high pressure sticks with the pressure sticks with us into the middle week. but middle part of the week. but it re—orientate we re—orientate itself so we tap into a southerly flow that into a southerly air flow that allows us to feed in some even warmer conditions from continental . so on the warmer conditions from

contin scheme . so on the warmer conditions from contin scheme of . so on the warmer conditions from contin scheme of things on the warmer conditions from contin scheme of things ,n the warmer conditions from contin scheme of things , tuesday grand scheme of things, tuesday looks pretty fine looks like another pretty fine day for many of us again, still quite blustery across the southwest. some higher base cloud pushing across northern cloud pushing in across northern ireland well. turning the ireland as well. turning the sunshine haze. you're in cloud just lingering across just still lingering across parts isle of parts of orkney. the isle of lewis , still plenty amounts lewis, but still plenty amounts of sunshine had. and of sunshine to be had. and temperatures peaking around wednesday over 30 c wednesday and thursday over 30 c as looks like things are heating up . up. >> boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news as

news radio. welcome back to this show free speech on university campuses remains a big talking point, with concerns that students are prevented from learning about difficult or contentious topics due to a rise in trigger warnings and cancel culture. >> two students were so determined to fight such forces that they set up speak easy. a student led pro free speech movement, which is going from strength to strength. and on wednesday night the organisation will first event, a will host its first event, a debate in parliament. on the motion . do companies motion. do private companies have the moral authority to censor legal online speech? so here to tell us more, i'm delighted to welcome omar lubbock and jack barwell, who . lubbock and jack barwell, who. so, omar, i'm going to come to you first. you've been on the show before, of course. now, speakeasy, just talk us through why up. you're at why you set this up. you're at royal holloway, right? >> so thanks me >> so thanks for having me on again. right. i was again. all right. so as i was

here time with declare here last time with declare force situation and felt our force situation and we felt our debating societies and many debating societies and many debating societies and many debating societies all across the all across country was the all across the country was not enough free not doing enough for free speech. there's multiple speech. so there's multiple cases it being cancelled. so cases of it being cancelled. so in royal holloway, then in cambridge with the charlie bannau situation and jack barwell situation, which he will talk moment because talk about in a moment because you'd claire fox to you'd invited claire fox to speak cancelled, speak and that was cancelled, right? >> yeah, unfortunately. and wasn't free wasn't she speaking on free speech about speech and talking about the need ? the irony of need for debate? the irony of it, well, maybe they were just trying to prove your point for you. that maybe that's exactly. >> and one thing i found that's the biggest problem isn't really the biggest problem isn't really the obviously the activists. obviously the activists a role, but activists do play a role, but activists do play a role, but activists . activists do. activists do. activists do. they scream? shout. the scream? they shout. but as the people that, you know, listen to scream? they shout. but as the peotoo that, you know, listen to scream? they shout. but as the peotoo scared ou know, listen to scream? they shout. but as the peotoo scared thatrow, listen to scream? they shout. but as the peotoo scared that they.isten to scream? they shout. but as the peotoo scared that they conform are too scared that they conform to so, for to the such things. so, for example, one thing that example, one other thing that happened my university, so happened at my university, so luckily organised a tedx luckily i organised a tedx conference of our conference and one of our speakers burnell . he's speakers was emma burnell. he's actually gb news before actually been on gb news before and about her time and he won't talk about her time where she was cancelled for her for gender, the bill yes for gender, the self—id bill yes . and her views on that. and she just want say, we

just want to say, look, we shouldn't cancel people. we should talk to people, a reasonable everyone reasonable idea which everyone on supported, but they on tedx x supported, but they were scared that the progressive illiberals because that's what they are illiberals will cancel her and you know, didn't want to put stress on her and themselves of course i had to fight for them. if you do watch it on youtube. she did talk about her time cancelled time getting cancelled and she loved her time with with us because i did fight to because i did fight for her to have speech. and one of have a free speech. and one of the why set the reasons why we set up speakers was to situation speakers was to stop situation situations this and in situations like this and in exeter as well. >> so. so you've got the same thing you are . what sort thing where you are. what sort of things have happened in exeter? really exeter? andrew it's really important not just important to say it's not just about student unions, student unions and they can unions matter and they can cancel unions matter and they can canceis about establishment >> it is about the establishment groups society. the people >> it is about the establishment grou have society. the people >> it is about the establishment grou have power, i. the people >> it is about the establishment grou have power, the e people >> it is about the establishment grou have power, the people e >> it is about the establishment grou have power, the people at that have power, the people at the of societies like the top of societies like debating where i was, debating society. where i was, they and they can they have the power and they can sense if they cancel your sense you if they cancel your debate, if they won't let it go ahead, the committee because ahead, if the committee because some committees they some of these committees they run vote run terribly, they get to vote to that you to overturn debates that you want forward. was want to put forward. i was chairman a debating society chairman of a debating society last do debates

last year, tried to do debates on israel—palestine, on things like israel—palestine, tried debates on gender tried to do debates on gender issues, invite speakers tried to do debates on gender issu�*kelly invite speakers tried to do debates on gender issu�*kelly j. invite speakers tried to do debates on gender issu�*kelly j. keane. te speakers tried to do debates on gender issu�*kelly j. keane. she reakers like kelly j. keane. she was labelled a sympathiser the labelled a sympathiser by the people that now run that society. crazy these society. that's how crazy these people society. that's how crazy these peoand often do this thing >> and they often do this thing of saying the security bills would too high. absolutely. of saying the security bills wotand too high. absolutely. of saying the security bills wotand it's 0 high. absolutely. of saying the security bills wotand it's great]. absolutely. of saying the security bills wotand it's great that solutely. of saying the security bills wotand it's great that the tely. of saying the security bills wotand it's great that the new >> and it's great that the new free legislation has free speech legislation has had some changing that. some impact on changing that. we had with had a really funny meeting with our where they our student union where they were magically were like, we've magically changed position on this is changed our position on this is an rubbish. you an absolute rubbish. no you haven't. been into haven't. you've been forced into it new speech it by the new free speech legislation. there's unions legislation. there's the unions are debating are a problem. the debating society establishments are a problem. up hope. society establishments are a problenon up hope. society establishments are a problenon debating up hope. society establishments are a problenon debating societies.»pe. andrew on debating societies. tablishment why we're tablishment that's why we're setting up speakeasy. it will stand speech. think stand for free speech. i think a lot people watching this will stand for free speech. i think a lot quite ople watching this will stand for free speech. i think a lot quite depressed ing this will stand for free speech. i think a lot quite depressed by this will stand for free speech. i think a lot quite depressed by this. will be quite depressed by this because they'll be thinking, well, people to well, don't people go to university to challenged? >> lot of people do. but >> but a lot of people do. but because of power that because of the power that activists do is that feel activists do is that they feel scared so if you talk scared to do it. so if you talk to these guys personally, what are views on free speech? are your views on free speech? do that we should do you think that we should cancel speak, no, cancel x, y, z, speak, say no, but don't want to be but they don't want to be labelled racist, homophobic, transphobic let transphobic and like, let me take back. our job in take a step back. ourjob is in a sense kind of give a voice a sense to kind of give a voice to those voices, make them

to those voices, to make them feel enough to know, to those voices, to make them feel we're enough to know, to those voices, to make them feel we're not enough to know, to those voices, to make them feel we're not enoughlistenow, look, we're not going to listen to you know, crazy, to those, you know, crazy, loony, progressive liberals. yes. know, yes. we're going to, you know, say views know that we say our views and know that we are people are protected by people like because for stand the right because you for stand the right of free speech. >> but when the news set up the nofion no >> but when the news set up the notion no platforming decades notion of no platforming decades ago was ago now, it was very specifically about fascists. it was saying we don't want was about saying we don't want fascists on campus. the problem today, that today, of course, is that people with points view with reasonable points of view are branded as fascist and they fall therefore, under this. >> this is the issue. andrew, i ran to be debating society president exeter because president in exeter because i thought members thought that the members needed a ordinary people in a say. the ordinary people in our society, they want free speech the speech and it's the establishment at top that establishment at the top that don't was branded don't let it. i was branded a fascist. campaign started fascist. a campaign was started operation stop the fascist to try me becoming try and stop me becoming president for standing president simply for standing for speech. for free speech. >> because the were >> so because the fascists were very speech, that was very for free speech, that was their wasn't it? yes. their thing, wasn't it? yes. that was why that's idiocy that was why that's the idiocy of the argument, is that you literally had to be a fascist to stand for free speech. >> have around >> we should have gone around the gone, up, the hall and gone, hands up, if you a fascist. because you were a fascist. because simply, for free simply, if you were for free speech, you a fascist. i

speech, you became a fascist. i very won that election, very nearly won that election, andrew. votes andrew. i came within four votes and really sad that and it was really sad that i wasn't able to win it, but at least that showed that 47% of our did buy into our membership did not buy into the you be the notion that you had to be a fascist to free speech. fascist to be for free speech. and that's we're trying to and that's why we're trying to show them there is an alternative speak easy. is that alternative. >> talking to people like you and other and then talking to other students that i've spoken to, when i give talks on universities, i'm quite encouraged lot of encouraged that a lot of students to students still want to have these discussions. students still want to have these lot discussions. students still want to have these lot peopleiiscussions. students still want to have these lot people say|ssions. students still want to have these lot people say thatis. but a lot of people say that students all snowflakes who but a lot of people say that stude want all snowflakes who but a lot of people say that stude want toall snowflakes who but a lot of people say that stude want to discuss. lakes who but a lot of people say that stude want to discuss. iskes who but a lot of people say that stude want to discuss. is that/ho don't want to discuss. is that an unfair caricature? >> think it again, it's >> i think it is. again, it's just a minority because they just a lot minority because they are think that the are loud. we do think that the majority students fact is majority of students the fact is a of students this. a lot of students do want this. and proof of how and you can see the proof of how quick speakeasy the quick speakeasy has grown. the school year hasn't even started yet. we already have free versions of speakeasy and it is growing a lot of students want this and you can see by the numbers coming to our events and our first event is a debate in parliament. in parliament. the debate in society do that because society is can't do that because they're scared do they're too scared to do it. >> and is the house of >> and this is at the house of lords this wednesday. >> story is that before

>> a funny story is that before i debating society, i left the debating society, this given to this was actually given to them. so happens, you so once everything happens, you know, baroness fox kind of felt sorry situation. and sorry for the situation. and baroness who's helping sorry for the situation. and ba run ss who's helping sorry for the situation. and ba run ss event,who's helping sorry for the situation. and ba run ss event, and s helping sorry for the situation. and ba run ss event, and zach,»ing sorry for the situation. and ba run ss event, and zach, why us run this event, and zach, why don't royal holloway debating society the society have a debate at the house lords? gave it. house of lords? i gave it. i said, guys, let's do this. sorry, i'm busy. the funniest thing there thing about it is that there wasn't a date . wasn't even a date. >> i know, but you've got it now. and very, quickly . how now. and very, very quickly. how can people find out more about you? >> they can go on to our instagram pages. we've got an extra speakeasy. we've got a royal holloway speakeasy. they can debate. can come and attend the debate. we'll a summary and we'll be doing a summary and just andrew, you just very quickly, andrew, you talk attendance to events. talk about attendance to events. we've speakeasy we've set up our extra speakeasy the at first event the week we did at first event in three last year. we were in term three last year. we were the political the most attended political society week we are society in that week we are fighting we're to fighting back. we're going to win fight we need win this fight and we need everyone to join us. >> and thanks very >> jack and omar, thanks very much joining me. next up on much forjoining me. next up on free and free speech nation, musician and podcaster winston marshall will be discuss the success be here to discuss the success of new movie sound of of the new movie sound of freedom attempt to freedom and the attempt to destroy murphy's career. destroy roisin murphy's career. don't away .

welcome back to free speech nation, one of the surprise

movie hits of the summer in the us has been sound of freedom, which has outstripped some big blockbusters office blockbusters at the box office and arrive in the and is now set to arrive in the uk. film is about federal uk. the film is about a federal agent who save children agent who tries to save children from trafficking ring and from a sex trafficking ring and is on timothy ballard, who is based on timothy ballard, who founded anti—human founded an anti—human trafficking founded an anti—human trformerg founded an anti—human trformer department of homeland a former department of homeland security critics a former department of homeland se the ty critics a former department of homeland sethe film critics a former department of homeland sethe film say critics a former department of homeland sethe film say it critics a former department of homeland sethe film say it lacks critics a former department of homeland sethe film say it lacks factual of the film say it lacks factual accuracy, while others even accuracy, while others have even claimed that it has links with the group, the american far right group, qanon. have been qanon. although these have been denied director. denied by the film's director. let's quick look. let's take a quick look. >> quit your job and you >> so you quit your job and you go and those kids that go and rescue those kids that read me . that free begum free read me. that free begum free yourself of that. >> it's all rebel territory. >> it's all rebel territory. >> so here to discuss this, i'm joined by the musician and podcaster winston marshall . podcaster winston marshall. winston, thanks for joining me podcaster winston marshall. winston, thanks forjoining me . winston, thanks for joining me. >> so i want to start by talking about the way in which this film has been politicised in america. >> can you give us some background to this ? background to this? >> well, i had the pleasure as a weird sort of pleasure , but i

weird sort of pleasure, but i saw the film about a month ago in the states and it credibly moving the entire theatre were in tears and at the end of the film stood up, stood up and applauded . i've never applauded. i've never experienced that in a film. and it's the story of tim ballard, as you said in the introduction. and not many people know this, but there are 50 million slaves today , 27 million of which are today, 27 million of which are in forced labour and sex trafficking , and 35% of which trafficking, and 35% of which are children in as far as i'm concerned , that is the greatest are children in as far as i'm concerne evil there is today. on the face of the planet. i don't think many people would disagree with me. well at least i think that they wouldn't disagree with me. but bizarrely , it turns out the but bizarrely, it turns out the media and many people have come after this film. it's utterly shocking. if you see this film and i implore your your viewers and i implore your your viewers and yourself, if you haven't to go and see this this film, it

really is remarkable, independent film made on a budget of $14.5 million. it grossed it's now something like 180,000,000in the us on july fourth. it beat indiana jones in the box office. that's that is massive . it's really a huge massive. it's really a huge cultural phenomenon and yet it's getting this backlash . i just getting this backlash. i just can't put myself in the mind of people who would who who would come after the film and what it takes to do that. let me give you an example, if i can, on vox.com. i'm going to read this because it's astonishing. vox.com wrote an article criticising the film, finished by writing sound of freedom is ultimately a form of extremist propaganda , and that extremism propaganda, and that extremism is at least as dark and dangerous s as the very thing sound of freedom wants to combat . so the film , which wants to . so the film, which wants to combat sex trafficking of the millions of children , is more millions of children, is more dangerous than sex trafficking.

of the millions of children , of the millions of children, according to vox.com, it doesn't stop with them. it's rolling stone was very disappointed by an article in the telegraph as well. it's like they're not really engaging with what this this film film is about. and i've been thinking about why? why is that? why and part of the reason i think is, is the wrong people like the film trump has endorsed the film. elon musk has endorsed the film. elon musk has endorsed the film. jordan peterson has endorsed the film. and so they see it in this tribal warfare. they say those people are bad and they can't distinguish that. not everything that they just because they disagree with those people doesn't mean doesn't write off everything that those people agree with . anyway, that's one agree with. anyway, that's one of a few things . the other of a few things. the other possibility is that there are nngs possibility is that there are rings that people are trying to not to have revealed . and i not to have revealed. and i mean, that's where you get into the into the conspiratorial . but

the into the conspiratorial. but one can't help think but why would you want not want to promote this film expose ing and telling the great story of tim ballard as you said 12 years of department of homeland security exposing and uncover these nngs exposing and uncover these rings. why wouldn't that be a story to celebrate ? i've lost story to celebrate? i've lost for words thinking about it. >> like you say, it sounds very much like political tribalism. let's not forget the pope has also endorsed film. so you also endorsed the film. so you would that that would have thought that that would have thought that that would count for something. we are pope. winston andrew are not the pope. winston andrew yeah, we are running now with the pope supporting. we are running out of time. i do want to ask you very quickly about the of roisin murphy . you the case of roisin murphy. you yourself have experienced cancellation within the music industry . d do cancellation within the music industry. d do you have anything, anything to say about what's happened to her? >> , it's the story gets >> well, it's the story gets more and more ludicrous. she it seems like although one source says that her label ninja tune are no longer they're not going

to drop her, but they're no longer going to promote her album, which is, you know, absolutely absurd. and then rough trade east in london. she had two gigs booked there at the end of the week and they those gigs have been cancelled. why exactly? not clear this is exactly? it's not clear this is happening now . it seems almost happening now. it seems almost daily, but certainly weekly. last week it was alice cooper who got dropped from vampire cosmetics for saying that if a kid identifies as a tree, maybe that's not right . also last that's not right. also last week, carlos santana had to issue or issued an apology for thinking of you're a girl, you're a girl and you're a boy. you're a boy and neo , earlier you're a boy and neo, earlier this summer , it was the same this summer, it was the same thing. he's an american grammy winning r&b artist. his publisher just put out a an publisherjust put out a an apology . publisherjust put out a an apology. this you publisherjust put out a an apology . this you know, there's apology. this you know, there's howard donald from take that. there's mean craig potter from

elbow macy grey, you'll remember had an apology guys it's and all of these are specific for the trans stuff and i'm forgetting more but there's many more artists it's when it comes to this specific topic and others but trans issue specific, if but the trans issue specific, if you descend that you are punished . and so what happens punished. and so what happens then is that those of us who realise the evil that's going on and putting the kids on puberty blockers, as roisin murphy rightly condemned originally , rightly condemned originally, those those who are scared of professional repercussions end up just keeping their mouth shut. it's absolutely a total disaster and so sorry. >> music have any more time? >> music have any more time? >> self—expression is the sine qua non for the first hour of free speech nation absurd. >> we don't go away because >> so we don't go away because there's to come . there's a lot more to come. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news.

weather on. gb news. >> hello there. good evening . >> hello there. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey. who is your gb news weather forecast provided by the metaphor. i hope you enjoyed your weekend . that you enjoyed your weekend. that is ending on a fairly fine note for many of us. a lot of clear intervals through the evening and away from the far and overnight away from the far north of scotland is going north of scotland that is going to bit breezier and to remain a bit breezier and cloudier and fog cloudier. some mist and fog patches underneath patches will form underneath those skies, particularly those clear skies, particularly for , southeast for eastern england, southeast england, also northern england, but also northern ireland turning quite murky first monday morning. ireland turning quite murky firs'most monday morning. ireland turning quite murky firs'most of monday morning. ireland turning quite murky firs'most of us, onday morning. ireland turning quite murky firs'most of us, though,iorning. ireland turning quite murky firs'most of us, though, it ning. ireland turning quite murky firs'most of us, though, it will. for most of us, though, it will be a fairly mild warm start. temperatures around 1415 c in a lot of our towns and cities. once that mist and fog does eventually clear its way off. monday promises be pretty monday promises to be a pretty glorious day for many of us. a good swathe sunshine for the good swathe of sunshine for the vast majority of the uk be vast majority of the uk will be a breezy around the west a bit breezy around the west country, gusty along some coastline here always cloud coastline here and always cloud lingering across very far lingering across the very far north scotland . drizzly north of scotland. drizzly outbreaks rain for shetland outbreaks of rain for shetland as . but elsewhere as well. but elsewhere in that sunshine feeling very warm widely into the mid 20s, if not the high 20s across southern england wales , high pressure

england and wales, high pressure sticks the middle sticks with us into the middle part week, but it part of the week, but it re—orientate so tap re—orientate itself so we tap into air that into a southerly air flow that allows us feed in some even allows us to feed in some even warmer conditions from continental on the continental europe. so on the grand scheme of things, tuesday looks like pretty fine looks like another pretty fine day many of us. again, still day for many of us. again, still quite blustery across the southwest. base southwest. some higher base cloud pushing in northern cloud pushing in across northern ireland turning the ireland as well, turning the sunshine cloud sunshine haze. you're in cloud just across just still lingering across parts of orkney. the isle of lewis, still amounts lewis, but still plenty amounts of to be had and of sunshine to be had and temperatures peaking around wednesday thursday over 30 c i >> -- >> the temperatures rising , boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on

gb news. there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation. >> this week, including a finnish politician going on trial for hate speech . our trial for hate speech. our regular look at the news stories from the arts world and more questions from the audience. for myself comedian myself and my comedian panellists. but first, let's get a update from aaron a news update from aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> very good evening to you. let's get you up to date with the headlines from the newsroom . two people have been killed and third injured and a third injured following a series collisions in coventry series of collisions in coventry this morning. a pedestrian struck by a car on gosford street and a cyclist on woodway lane died of their injuries. the driver then made off after colliding with a house a short

distance away. a 33 year old man is being questioned police. is being questioned by police. now the government is under pressure to reveal the exact number of schools at risk of collapse due to crumbling concrete . labour is planning to concrete. labour is planning to force a vote to compel the prime minister publish list of force a vote to compel the prime mirschools publish list of force a vote to compel the prime mirschools at blish list of force a vote to compel the prime mirschools at risk, list of force a vote to compel the prime mirschools at risk, with;t of force a vote to compel the prime mirschools at risk, with more all schools at risk, with more than 100 told to fully or partially close days before the new term begins. experts are warning the problem is complicated by the coexistence of asbestos in schools and other pubuc of asbestos in schools and other public buildings . shadow public buildings. shadow education secretary bridget phillipson says the government should have acted sooner . should have acted sooner. >> i appreciate that lots of parents across the country will be concerned because sadly many children are not going to be able to return to education or will be moved into portacabins or alternative accommodation because of the risk that this kind of crumbling concrete is going pose. it all feels very going to pose. it all feels very last minute and what we're calling on the government to do is to publish a full list of all of schools affected so that of the schools affected so that parents confident about parents can be confident about where are. and if where the problems are. and if they're that,

they're not prepared to do that, we force a vote in we will force a vote in parliament this week to it parliament this week to make it happen. >> 800 migrants >> more than 800 migrants crossed english channel crossed the english channel in small saturday. it is small boats on saturday. it is the number on a single the highest number on a single day this year at least day this year for at least another. boats have another. two small boats have been intercepted today, bringing another. two small boats have beetotalercepted today, bringing another. two small boats have beetotal numbertoday, bringing another. two small boats have bee total number ofiay, bringing another. two small boats have bee total number of peoplerging the total number of people entering illegally entering the country illegally past 21,000 this year. however, that's still significantly lower than this time last year , when than this time last year, when 25,000 people had made the journey . tesco staff are to be journey. tesco staff are to be offered body cams after a significant rise in violent attacks . the chief executive, attacks. the chief executive, ken murphy, says he's been forced to increase security measures after physical assaults rose by a third since last year . writing in the mail on sunday, he's called for tougher laws to make abuse or violence towards retail workers an offence which would result in longer sentences . a red weather alert has been issued for parts of spain as storms sweep across the country . residents in alcanar on the east coast near barcelona have been told to stay indoors as

water floods the streets and emergency alerts have been sent to people's mobiles in madrid with up to four inches of rain forecast that in just 12 hours is and a person has died and tens of thousands of people are stranded in the nevada desert. it comes after torrential rain hit the burning man festival and turned it into a mud bath. us authorities have closed access to and from the site and festival goers have been asked to conserve food and water. more rain is expected over the next few days, prompting some to leave the event on foot with this is gb news. i'll be back with more in about an hour's time. now it's over to free speech nation . speech nation. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation . with me, andrew doyle. nation. with me, andrew doyle. >> the observant among you will nofice >> the observant among you will notice that paul cox is now wearing a tie, which he wasn't before . i'm going to try wearing a tie, which he wasn't

before. i'm going to try and introduce spot , the difference introduce a spot, the difference element to the show. >> i was wearing a tie before. this mandela effect, this is the mandela effect, isn't is that right? isn't it? oh, is that right? in your you think? in my your mind, do you think? in my mind? well, so i've taken off my fake nose. yes right. fake nose. yes that's right. >> next section, i'm >> and in the next section, i'm going wearing and going to be wearing antlers and we'll anyone notices at we'll see if anyone notices at home. fun anyway, home. it's a fun game. anyway, let's get some more questions from the audience. first from the audience. our first question alan. hello alan. >> hi there. guys. >> hi there. hi, guys. thankfully. finally , the thankfully. and finally, the police are under new management. do should be do you think they should be allowed back political causes ? >> 7- >> yeah, 7 >> yeah, this 7— >> yeah, this is ? >> yeah, this is a very interesting question. it's one we've discussed quite a lot. the met police chief this week has basically is sir mark basically said this is sir mark rowley, by the way. he said that officers longer express officers can no longer express support woke support for what they call woke causes , you know, taking the causes, you know, taking the knee flying that ugly rainbow flag everywhere while they're on duty anyway, because that means they're this duty anyway, because that means they're me this duty anyway, because that means they're me as this duty anyway, because that means they're me as fair this duty anyway, because that means they're me as fair enough, josh, strikes me as fair enough, josh, because these are specifically ideological statements. >> , absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> but it's the fact it's gotten to this point, the fact that we've heard every few months suella braverman just going,

okay, get with okay, please just get on with policing with policing. policing, get on with policing. the there's a couple the fact that there's a couple of last week where you had of weeks last week where you had a social worker were a 73 year old social worker were arrested or by the sevilla arrested, questioned by the police west yorkshire for police in west yorkshire for taking a photo of a sticker . taking a photo of a sticker. yeah, and that was enough for them to go in and basically west yorkshire has the second highest crime country . 90% yorkshire has the second highest critheir country . 90% of their crop. >> was sticker just. >> was the sticker just. >> was the sticker just. >> that's right. the sticker was a sort you know , there a trans sort of, you know, there are only two sexes or whatever. yeah but she didn't even stick the sticker on. she just took a photo of the sticker to show her girlfriend. >> that's obviously a waste of police time. >> that's obviously a waste of polabsolutely. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> there's this stuff >> there's a lot of this stuff going isn't there, paul? and going on, isn't there, paul? and i think a lot of people are sort of saying, you know, for a police officer be taking the police officer to be taking the knee or flying the knee publicly or flying the pride the pride flag, that's the equivalent flying a che equivalent to them flying a che guevara flag or something like that, much and they're that, it's very much and they're supposed able serve supposed to be able to serve without what without fear or favour. and what if people don't agree them? if people don't agree with them? they're intimidated if people don't agree with them? th> absolutely. >> and good reason >> and there's a good reason that police are told to that the police are told to remain neutral in of

remain neutral in terms of politics, because optics are politics, because the optics are terrible that terrible for anything that goes wrong can wrong in the future. they can look back and say, well, that's because they were dancing with look back and say, well, that's bec pride hey were dancing with look back and say, well, that's bec pride flag nere dancing with look back and say, well, that's bec pride flag nere da their with look back and say, well, that's bec pride flag nere da their head the pride flag around their head in or whatever in their underpants or whatever they were trying do to fit they were trying to do to fit in. that the police in. and the idea that the police should be involved in any of this stuff to me is ludicrous anyway. there's only there's only they need do only one job they need to do successfully, enforce successfully, and that's enforce the as they the law. so as long as they stick that , a lot things stick to that, a lot of things can't questioned, can't be questioned, then i haven't actually seen police dancing in their underwear. >> them do the >> but i saw them do the macarena, is more offensive. >> yeah. yeah offensive. >> i'll h. yeah offensive. >> i'll sendah offensive. >> i'll send you the clip now . >> i'll send you the clip now. >> i'll send you the clip now. >> please do. that'd be nice. okay going to move on to okay we're going to move on to another question. this one's from mark? hello, mark. good evening. >> good evening. >> good evening. >> guys. my >> good evening, guys. my question is quite topical. do we need another couple of chinooks when 60 i when we've already got 60 and i believe waiting on believe we're waiting on software some of those as software for some of those as well . yes. well. yes. >> the chinooks are 2.5 >> so the chinooks are 2.5 billion. this is to do with former defence secretary ben wallace apparently threatened to cancel deal with the us over cancel a deal with the us over chinook. the helicopters , by the chinook. the helicopters, by the way, spiralling costs , as way, due to spiralling costs, as many defence experts think

wallace is right. but supporters of the deal say they've linked it to his disappointment that the us didn't back him for the nato secretary—general post, what you think? nato secretary—general post, wh.yeah,you think? nato secretary—general post, wh.yeah, i u think? nato secretary—general post, wh.yeah, i think,

>> evening, guys. yeah, is alice cooper trarthinkyic? >> evening, guys. yeah, is alice cooper trarthink alice cooper is >> do you think alice cooper is transphobic? >> no, i don't think so. i read the article about what said. >> it's . >> yeah, it's. >> yeah, it's. >> it's an old one, isn't it? man called alice being accused of this. but anyway, it's . he of this. but anyway, it's. he was. been dropped by a was. he's been dropped by a cosmetics company . winston cosmetics company. winston marshall was talking about this earlier and all he was doing was basically questioning the rush to perform trans operations on kids. and he called it a fad , kids. and he called it a fad, didn't he? yeah. >> which is arguably what a lot of people argue it is . of people argue it is. >> and it's an opinion. it's an opinion . opinion. >> but if you if you look at the influence that's happening in schools, what's happening online and you can sort of see figures where show like anorexia have gone down at exactly same gone down at exactly the same rate , this this stuff gone rate, this this stuff has gone up . but yeah, again, you've got up. but yeah, again, you've got so the company that have cancelled , i think they're based cancelled, i think they're based in new orleans and they do all sort of eye makeup and stuff and, and it's ridiculous and it's backfire on them it's going to backfire on them in in long run when the more in in the long run when the more information coming out information that's coming out and is arguably a year

and america is arguably a year or behind europe, or so behind europe, particularly the uk on this matter. but the more these reports, more people come out as detransitioning and stuff, the worse these companies are going to look. >> i do the uk is sort of >> i do think the uk is sort of blazing the trail here in many ways and i think us is ways and i think the us is playing catch up. >> should this was >> we should say this was vampire cosmetics. it wasn't like l'oreal or something because alice cooper wouldn't be the that, would he? the pin up for that, would he? >> no, probably wouldn't. >> no, he probably wouldn't. i mean, always shocking to mean, what is always shocking to mean, what is always shocking to me when are shocked me is when people are shocked that don't comply me is when people are shocked that whatever don't comply me is when people are shocked that whatever don't corthey're with whatever narrative they're to told with. i mean, he to told comply with. i mean, he makes really points. makes some really good points. all just all this stuff is just questioned . and you've got to questioned. and you've got to understand that is a 70 odd understand that this is a 70 odd year doesn't come year old man who doesn't come from where children from an era where children identify rabbits or identify as rabbits or trees or they did, but they weren't taken seriously. no, they seriously. well, no, they weren't. and they were all on the drugs that were. they the drugs that they were. they taping they? taping back then, weren't they? so nothing so he's doing he's doing nothing wrong. seem to wrong. he's just we just seem to have this this dogma , this this have this this dogma, this this necessity to comply to things. all the time. and if people don't, the people in charge just get terrified. i don't know. yeah i don't know what's going

on. >> on. >> it's very, very depressing. okay, got another question okay, we got another question now. mike? do we now. is this from mike? do we have a mike? hi, mike. >> should we be in crisis ? about >> should we be in crisis? about 100 schools being closed for potential concrete problems when there are 32,000, which are okay. >> so yeah, now, this has been the story that's been running all week and we've talked about it lot on headliners here. and it a lot on headliners here. and this morning. jeremy hunt said the will spend what this morning. jeremy hunt said thtakes will spend what this morning. jeremy hunt said thtakes to will spend what this morning. jeremy hunt said thtakes to 'schools1d what this morning. jeremy hunt said thtakes to 'schools safe1at it takes to make schools safe from what are they called from these what are they called aerated concrete. >> yeah, but it's 100 that we know of, but they're saying it's up 7000, right . and for me, up to 7000, right. and for me, it's just like if one child is doing their classes on zoom because of what this, then for me, that's a tragedy . me, that's a tragedy. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you hate all that, don't you? absolutely >> you hate all that, don't you? absolutelthink already >> and i think it's already there's a generation of children behind where they would be because of what happened, obviously these obviously over covid. but these are like self—inflicted wounds . are like self—inflicted wounds. yeah. and but the people are going to suffer. are our children , let alone our bank children, let alone our bank balance. >> safety issue, >> but there is a safety issue, though. absolutely . though. yeah, absolutely. >> is, of course,

>> but this is, of course, should been dealt with. should have been dealt with. and there's people now there's a lot of people now everyone's oh, everyone's pointing fingers. oh, did labour or did it come under labour or whatever. is we've whatever. the fact is we've had tories in, they've had 13 years. the whistleblowers are coming out saying that they've known repeatedly out saying that they've known repea'about this issue and they years about this issue and they kept on kicking it down the road. and here now. road. and here we are now. >> this? >> yeah. any thoughts on this? paul >> yeah. any thoughts on this? palwho have thought making >> who would have thought making schools of aerobar cars schools out of aerobar cars wouldn't last? know. mean, wouldn't last? i know. i mean, i don't know the surprise is don't know where the surprise is here. josh here. really they josh, josh has nailed to be honest. nailed it there, to be honest. the kids going be the kids that are going to be affected, have gone affected, affected and have gone through something through the pandemic, something very i know very unique to them. and i know from experience, i'm from personal experience, i'm sure does, that it has sure josh does, that it has impacted more we impacted them more than we understand already . so for this understand already. so for this to happen now, although i do agree with the point that there to happen now, although i do agprobablythe point that there to happen now, although i do agprobably ae point that there to happen now, although i do agprobably a smallt that there to happen now, although i do agprobably a small percentage is probably a small percentage of up of schools, even if it goes up to that are affected. and to 7000, that are affected. and we you know, mike, you've made the simple mistake. they're letting and facts letting statistics and facts getting in the way of the issue. so try and try and learn . but so try and try and learn. but but it's incredible that it's got to this point . yeah, absolutely. >> okay. well, we've got another question. this one came in from

diane on email. diane says , do diane on email. diane says, do operas need more diversity? now, this is to do with this welsh opera singer who said that the arts have to have more lgbtq representation in order to survive . elgin thomas, her name survive. elgin thomas, her name is or claire thomas, sorry. >> now, i wasn't just his name. >> now, i wasn't just his name. >> is it a bloke i know and but the point is, i think the arts have quite a lot of gays in it already . already. >> i'm not saying kick them out . i'm saying there's a lot of them really ? them really? >> people like opera. >> people like opera. >> do they? they like the. i never heard that. no no. this is this is a crisis, isn't it? >> no, it's hardly a crisis. what's actually even funnier is when you read the article, you realise this person is whether it's or a woman is 33 it's a man or a woman is 33 years old. >> we don't know, 33 years old. >> we don't know, 33 years old. >> bemoaning the fact >> and the bemoaning the fact that section that they grew up under section 28, came in in 28, section 28, that came in in 1989. this person was born in 1990. then and i figured out and little britain , they grow up, little britain, they grow up, they say, oh, i grew up in a little welsh village and i

didn't gay when he didn't know what gay was when he was came out was 13, little britain came out with daffyd and the only game this is the idea this person didn't know of any homosexual roles until they were 16 or whatever is ridiculous . and the whatever is ridiculous. and the idea that that this is to going be changed because of having a few more gay people within opera is i honestly, i've heard is i mean, honestly, i've heard people complain about like the endemic institutional homophobia of the theatre industry and like, what are you talking about? >> it's heterophobic like they're gay and you're like, they're all gay and you're like, what ? it's like, i don't know what? it's like, i don't know what's going on with the world in the arts is the only place that i am a minority. >> yeah, right. and it is absolute. absolute . absolute. it is absolute. absolutely fascinating. it smacks of desperate to be victims. >> well , all the victims. >> well, all the time. >> well, all the time. >> smacks exactly of that. >> it smacks exactly of that. also the fact that he also smacks of the fact that he sounds he's getting sounds like he's not getting work. like to work. so it's like trying to generate a gay opera for him to be and i'm sure if they did be in. and i'm sure if they did generate one, he might not get in right. exactly. in anyway. right. exactly. and he the way, the he is a he, by the way, the picture looks like picture certainly looks like a man. to man. and i'm not going to apologise for at any point. apologise for that at any point. >> there's no way for opera not

to this one the gays, to be gay if this one the gays, it's like the let's make opera straight . straight. >> that's a new campaign for the channel. >> i like it. okay so we should do that. >> next on free speech nation, we're going to be speaking to the finnish politician who went on trial this week for hate speech simply for giving her views on marriage and quoting the bible. see you shortly .

radio.

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle, finnish politician. >> paivi raisanen has been on trial this week for hate speech and ethnic agitation after making public her belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. rosanna was tried for violating finland's hate speech laws on three occasions in a tweet , a 2004 church pamphlet tweet, a 2004 church pamphlet and in a 2019 radio interview, a verdict in the trial , which verdict in the trial, which obviously will have huge implications for free speech around the world, is now expected by the 30th of november. so here to tell us about trial, i'm delighted about the trial, i'm delighted to coleman, to welcome paul coleman, executive adf executive director of adf international, who helped with piovese defence. paul, can i just start ? this is not the just start? this is not the first time that pivi has been to court. in fact, she won her original trial and the state dragged her back in. isn't that right ? right? >> that's exactly right. it was over a year ago that she was fully acquitted in the district

court . but the finnish system court. but the finnish system allows for a full appeal. so this isn't an appeal on a narrow point of law. the whole case is being retried. again on which now means that it's been going on now for over four years, has been hours of police interrogation , about a year long interrogation, about a year long police investigation. then there was the first trial. now we've had this trial, and it really shows in these sort of hate speech cases that eventually the process becomes the punishment and we'll be confused about is there'll be assuming that she must have posted some rampant homophobic tweet that she actually posted a bible verse and questioned , ed, the local and questioned, ed, the local governments . governments. >> the logic of backing helsinki pride that to me doesn't sound particularly offensive of yeah, that's exactly what happened . that's exactly what happened. >> and paivi is a member of the lutheran church. it became an official sponsor of the helsinki pride parade , and she thought pride parade, and she thought about what to do. she prayed.

then she went and found her bible, took a picture of some bible, took a picture of some bible verses, posted it to twitter, and essentially asked how does the teaching of the lutheran church and decision lutheran church and its decision to this parade align to sponsor this parade align with the teachings of scripture ? she thought nothing more of it . there were some comments underneath, like there always is. that was the end of it, she thought, until she found out the police were investigating this thought, until she found out the polaa were investigating this thought, until she found out the pola potential'estigating this thought, until she found out the pola potential hate ating this thought, until she found out the pola potential hate speechiis for a potential hate speech offence and here we are four years later. on it goes and the prosecution in the trial this week, they've been saying that effectively it's not her faith in christianity that is the problem. >> it's the way in which she chooses to interpret the bible that that can amount to criminality and those are their words. this is very , very words. this is very, very disturbing. they also said that in the pamphlet she wrote where she equated homosexuality with being sinful . well, that that in being sinful. well, that that in itself amounted to hate speech and criminal behaviour in which case we better round up everyone in right ? in the vatican right? >> well, exactly . and the

>> well, exactly. and the prosecutor keeps on saying this case is not about theology . it's case is not about theology. it's not about christian teaching . not about christian teaching. but if you look at the arguments that the prosecutor has submitted, the written arguments before court and then hearing her in court this week and that the district court, it's clear that it absolutely the that it is absolutely about the bible and about historical orthodox christian teaching. the prosecutor goes into great length in the legal submissions to explain how psychologically damaging the concept of sin is and how it can cause real harm . and how it can cause real harm. and in fact, it was this word sin that paivi used in her tweet that she lifted directly from the words of scripture. and so it's absolutely about the bible, christian teaching. and as you say, it won't just be if the prosecutor is successful and if this results in a conviction , this results in a conviction, then then this won't be the only case by any means. there will be cases throughout country cases throughout the country because has been historical because this has been historical teaching christianity since teaching of christianity since its inception. >> yes . and if they roll this >> yes. and if they roll this out, they might be surprised when they're having to bring

islamic preachers into court as well. go well. i'm sure that won't go particularly but paivi particularly well. but paivi rasanen is here herself now. pivi can you tell us how it has been for you this week having to go through this? >> i have to say that just now i'm very happy that this days are over. so so i was quite nervous when i was waiting for this trial because i know that it is not only about me , it is it is not only about me, it is about the freedom of speech and freedom of faith for all finnish christians . so but but i was christians. so but but i was happy that i could defend myself. and i'm i'm also very thankful for those who have supported me for example, adf international and paul coleman and my lawyer and so on. so i'm relieved now that it is over. and now i'm waiting for the result in in three months. so

so. 50. >> so. >> well, your critics will say that the problem here is that you obviously hate gay people and you were trying to incite hatred against gay people. what would you say to that ? would you say to that? >> i absolutely deny that. i have had any hatred against gay people or any other people . i people or any other people. i believe and my faith and my beliefs are that these opinions and these beliefs, they rise out of love because because i believe that god loves every every human being, all human beings are equal. every human being, all human beings are equal . all they are, beings are equal. all they are, they are created as as the image of god. but we all are sinners. and i think that it is god who say says what is sin or what is not. what i have spoken it is about. i would say something thatis about. i would say something

that is classical christianity that is classical christianity that christians have been have believed . for, for 2000 years. believed. for, for 2000 years. so it is not about hatred and i have to say that i feel that it is quite painful, al, to be accused of hatred because is a because i think that it is it is about love, not hate . about love, not hate. >> well, you know, the whole point of a free society is that people can have different views. i can i do disagree with your view on homosexuality being sinful, but you're entitled to hold beliefs i'm hold those beliefs and i'm entitled mine . that entitled to hold mine. that surely a society has to surely is how a society has to be run. what will the implication is be if you're found guilty here, what will happen later , later, down the happen later, later, down the line . line. >> this is a very good question , because if a i would be condemned, it would mean that

also those writings for example, my book, it would be banned. and we have thousands of similar writings or statements in in finland and also they would be in danger . so finland and also they would be in danger. so i think that if. i if i would be convicted, it would start some kind of persecution of christians. and it is not only about christians , it is it is the freedom of speech is important, important for everyone. also for, for example, gay people or anyone . example, gay people or anyone. so i think that my calling is now to fight for the freedom of speech in finland. and of course , this decision of . to court it , this decision of. to court it will have ramifications is also

outside finland because in other european countries we have quite similar legislations as as we have in finland . have in finland. >> absolutely. well, paul , i >> absolutely. well, paul, i just want to bring you in. finally. you've documented extensively the various hate speech laws that exist across europe . what's it to going take europe. what's it to going take to get these various governments to get these various governments to realise that even if you find someone's views unpleasant, they have to be free to have those views in a in a liberal democracy, absolutely . democracy, absolutely. >> and i think many people might hear this and come away with a takeaway , say, oh, it sounds takeaway, say, oh, it sounds really bad in finland or i'm glad i'm not there . and as you glad i'm not there. and as you say, we have similar laws across europe. this is a european indeed, a western problem, a western phenomenon. the rise of hate speech laws. these are vaguely worded. they are extremely subjective. they can be arbitrarily enforced against anyone who disagrees with the orthodoxies of the day. and they

need wholesale reform and repeal . and failing that, then we need to continue to win these sorts of cases. so at least even if these bad laws remain on the books, they can be interpreted in a way that protects freedom of speech. >> well , paivi rasanen of speech. >> well, paivi rasanen and paul coleman, thanks ever so much for joining me tonight. coleman, thanks ever so much for joining me tonight . so next on joining me tonight. so next on free speech nation, david oldroyd bolt will be here with his regular roundup of arts and culture news. but first, let's get your latest weather . get your latest weather. >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers are proud sponsors of weather on gb news . sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey . who is i'm jonathan vautrey. who is your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . hope provided by the met office. hope you enjoyed your weekend. it is ending fine note for ending on a fairly fine note for many of us. a lot of clear intervals through the evening and overnight away from the far north of scotland that going and overnight away from the far no remain cotland that going and overnight away from the far no remain aytland that going and overnight away from the far no remain a bit1d that going and overnight away from the far no remain a bit breezier going and overnight away from the far no remain a bit breezier and ng to remain a bit breezier and cloudier . to remain a bit breezier and

cloudier. mist fog cloudier. some mist and fog patches underneath patches will form underneath those skies, particularly those clear skies, particularly for england , southeast for eastern england, southeast england, also northern england, but also northern ireland turning murky ireland turning quite murky first monday morning. first thing on monday morning. for of us, it will for most of us, though, it will be mild warm start. be a fairly mild warm start. temperatures around 14, 15 c. and a lot our towns and and a lot of our towns and cities, that mist and fog cities, once that mist and fog does eventually clear its way off, monday promises to be a pretty glorious day many of pretty glorious day for many of us, a good swathe of sunshine for the vast majority of the uk, it will bit breezy around it will be a bit breezy around the country, gusty along the west country, gusty along some lines and some coastal lines here and always lingering across always cloud lingering across the north of scotland . the very far north of scotland. drizzly outbreaks of rain for shetland . but elsewhere shetland as well. but elsewhere in that sunshine feeling very warm widely into the mid 20s, if not 20s southern not the high 20s across southern england wales , high pressure england and wales, high pressure sticks us into the middle sticks with us into the middle part it part of the week, but it re—orientate itself so we tap into southerly flow into a southerly air flow that allows in some even allows us to feed in some even warmer conditions from continental . so on the continental europe. so on the grand scheme of things, tuesday looks another pretty fine looks like another pretty fine day many us. again, it's day for many of us. again, it's still blustery across the still quite blustery across the southwest, some higher base cloud across northern cloud pushing in across northern

ireland as well. turning the sunshine cloud sunshine haze. you're and cloud just across just still lingering across parts , the isle of parts of orkney, the isle of lewis, but still plenty amounts of sunshine to had. and of sunshine to be had. and temperatures peaking around wednesday thursday over 30 c i >> -- >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news as

gb news. radio >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. so it's nation with me andrew doyle. so wsfime nation with me andrew doyle. so it's time for our regular look at the latest news from the world of culture and the arts . world of culture and the arts. and here join me once again, and here to join me once again, it's broadcaster and author it's the broadcaster and author david oldroyd bolt, who but david, there's always a lot to talk about, but i think you want to start with the story about the pope. >> yes, pope has put his >> yes, the pope has put his foot in it again. he seems to have unfortunate fondness for have an unfortunate fondness for dictators. rather dictators. so after after rather recently russia is

recently saying that russia is should be proud of their imperial heritage, proud of the heritage of peter the great and catherine second both catherine the second both of whom colonised whom essentially colonised ukraine, the language ukraine, wiped out the language and committed mass murder. the p0pe and committed mass murder. the pope has now gone to china and said an exhausted chinese catholics are a minority and catholics who are a minority and a greatly suppressed one to be good chinese citizens interested , we might even have the tweet that this. , we might even have the tweet tha i this. , we might even have the tweet thai mean this. this. , we might even have the tweet thai mean this. therehis. , we might even have the tweet thai mean this. there it;. , we might even have the tweet thai mean this. there it is. you >> i mean this. there it is. you know, and he's effectively as damian thompson there, who's quote there, sort quote tweeted to him there, sort of know, he's of suggested he's you know, he's supporting the ccp there. it does an thing for does feel like an odd thing for the pope to be doing. should should running should someone else be running his maybe. his twitter account? maybe. >> someone ought >> i think perhaps someone ought to the vatican. but to be running the vatican. but that's a big story. to be running the vatican. but tha but big story. to be running the vatican. but tha but isig story. to be running the vatican. but tha but is thisory. to be running the vatican. but tha but is this not justifiable >> but is this not justifiable with, you know, render, render unto caesar's? unto caesar what is caesar's? you i think it's you know, is it i think it's rather when you have rather different when you have with the chinese communist party, that party, a regime that is currently engaged genocide currently engaged in genocide on religious grounds religious and racial grounds against the uyghur the against the uyghur people, the muslim inhabitants northern china. >> he's got a rather odd history, i think, with the chinese. pope francis, for instance, in 2018, he gave the chinese communist party the

right to nominate catholic bishops , which is an extremely bishops, which is an extremely odd thing to do with a dictatorial state. yes. and he has ever since the beginning of the russia—ukraine conflict , the russia—ukraine conflict, exhorted that there be a peaceful solution . but the only peaceful solution. but the only instance that the pope has spoken out about a particular atrocity was when he spoke about the killing of the dugin. dugin sorry , who is the daughter of sorry, who is the daughter of alexander dugin, putin's favourite philosopher who said at one point that it is absolutely right to kill, kill, kill the ukrainians. when she was asked about this, she said, yes. she rather agreed she was killed bombing, which killed in a car bombing, which the not the ukrainians have not accepted. responsibility the ukrainians have not acc

should be charitable being christian. should be charitable being chrbutn. should be charitable being chr but i think one of the big >> but i think one of the big problems that catholic, problems is that as a catholic, you're follow the you're expected to follow the p0pe you're expected to follow the pope as a moral lead. yes and given the moral lead on given that the moral lead on both china and the ukraine russia war, i should say, is perfectly pellucid and totally obvious anybody with an even obvious to anybody with an even vaguely functioning moral compass, slightly compass, it is slightly disconcerting and difficult, therefore, for catholics to pray each week for the pope and his leadership when he seems to be giving leadership on giving such poor leadership on the issues of the overwhelming moral issues of the overwhelming moral issues of the . certainly it the time. certainly when it comes geopolitics. the time. certainly when it comes move olitics. the time. certainly when it comes move onics. the time. certainly when it comes move on now >> let's move on now to a different story, same an rattle who i think is probably the only conductor people generally conductor who people generally know about the mainstream. know about in the mainstream. right. for some he's right. for some reason, he's become to . yeah, indeed. become the go to. yeah, indeed. what's here. become the go to. yeah, indeed. wh so. here. become the go to. yeah, indeed. wh so , here. become the go to. yeah, indeed. wh so , sir here. become the go to. yeah, indeed. wh so , sir simonhere. become the go to. yeah, indeed. wh so , sir simon rattle , we must >> so, sir simon rattle, we must give him his full due. who is an extra ordinary conductor? a man who brought both forgotten who has brought both forgotten or neglected composers of or rather neglected composers of the past to the fore and done a great to support new music great deal to support new music in britain and education has been for the past six years. the conductor of the london symphony orchestra, which is a very short

time considering that he was for 18 years the city of 18 years at the city of birmingham orchestra birmingham symphony orchestra and for 16 years at the and then for 16 years at the berlin orchestra, berlin philharmonic orchestra, the conductor in berlin philharmonic orchestra, the history conductor in berlin philharmonic orchestra, the history and conductor in berlin philharmonic orchestra, the history and onlyiuctor in its history and the only englishman the only englishman so far, the only briton. and what seems to have happened here is that simon rattle has fallen very deeply out with the musical establishment of this country. some of it has to do with brexit. he has pointed out quite rightly, the government or rightly, that the government or the government since 2016 have been horrendously slow fix been horrendously slow to fix the visa problems faced by international touring musicians. another big thing is that he thought, and i think people another big thing is that he thou attend d i think people another big thing is that he thou attend concerts people another big thing is that he thou attend concerts there people another big thing is that he thou attend concerts there would; who attend concerts there would agree concert agree that the barbican concert hall in london has an appalling acoustic. it's not fit for purpose, and this is where the lso is. this is where the lso is based. it's 1960s concrete based. it's a 1960s concrete monstrosity a lot monstrosity which has had a lot of on it over the of money spent on it over the years with various bits of baffling additions baffling and extra additions inside the make the inside the hall to make the acoustic it hasn't acoustic better. it hasn't worked. so he suggested, look, the london moving the museum of london is moving from saint paul's from london wall by saint paul's cathedral . or there's a from london wall by saint paul's cathedral. or there's a big space going be empty. space that's going to be empty. let's fundraise, fundraise, fundraise osborne, while

fundraise. george osborne, while chancellor to be on board chancellor seemed to be on board with this and then it went away. and truly world and let's have a truly world class concert hall. this didn't happen. class concert hall. this didn't happen . he fell out with the happen. he fell out with the arts its then arts council and its then head sir kenyon, sir nicholas kenyon, and essentially his hook essentially he slung his hook and gone back to germany. >> the reason he's given >> is this the reason he's given for leaving the lso? >> was one of the reasons >> it was one of the reasons he's given. he also he decries brexit he decries brexit and he decries heavily the that of berlin the fact that the city of berlin spends on culture and spends more on culture and cultural education than the whole well, that's whole of the uk. well, that's that's an interesting point, isn't that's an interesting point, isn'why is it that we in this >> why is it that we in this country i mean, is it just that we a conservative we have a conservative government don't government that don't particularly arts? particularly value the arts? is that enough? >> no, think because we >> no, i think it's because we in the country in this country have to that though have tended to think that though there straight there should be some straight provision for arts, that the provision for the arts, that the majority it should come from majority of it should come from corporate sponsorship or individual corporate sponsorship or irthink,|al corporate sponsorship or irthink, a. corporate sponsorship or irthink, a model works i think, a model that works extremely where extremely well in america where you very generous tax you have very, very generous tax breaks corporate breaks for both corporate and personal yes, given personal giving. yes, but given that that model is not replicated nearly the replicated here to nearly the same degree, i think we have to have a conversation about how we fund arts. now, think for fund the arts. now, i think for most on the left

most of us, whether on the left or the right, having a fully funded arts sector with good educational possibilities funded arts sector with good educpeople possibilities funded arts sector with good educpeople of ssibilities funded arts sector with good educpeople of allyilities funded arts sector with good educpeople of all backgrounds that people of all backgrounds can be involved the arts, is can be involved in the arts, is a mark of civilised country. a mark of a civilised country. >> because people >> yeah, because people will think rattle and think that simon rattle and the type produces type of music that he produces is elitist , i type of music that he produces is elitist, i suppose. >> but this is working >> well, but this is a working class from liverpool whose class boy from liverpool whose father merchant navy, father was in the merchant navy, who city education who through good city education systems and through being talented , managed to rise to the talented, managed to rise to the very top of his profession and has absolute idol for a has been an absolute idol for a great people from around great many people from around the world. so the fact that he is being made, or rather that he feels has leave his feels he has to leave his homeland once more, is, i think, rather must be rather sad. he has it must be said, resident of said, remained a resident of germany london symphony germany while london symphony orchestra sir and he orchestra conductor sir and he is married to a czech and three children so perhaps there is married to a czech and three chilother so perhaps there is married to a czech and three chilother personalperhaps there is married to a czech and three chilother personal ties aps there is married to a czech and three chilother personal ties playinge are other personal ties playing are other personal ties playing a part. but think it is a a part. but i think it is a sadness he's only been sadness that he's only been there short there for a relatively short time. as we saw with his time. and as we saw with his concert last sunday at the bbc proms, when he gave a performance of francis poulenc vocal piece that he gave some

years ago at the prom and then mahler's ninth symphony, which is one his calling is one of his great calling cards ever every review is a five star review. every review was so i think it's was staggered. so i think it's a terrible shame for british music and concert life that and for our concert life that we're losing him. >> interesting that >> interesting to hear that you don't fan of the don't you're not a fan of the barbican brutalism. >> david. >> not your thing, david. >> not your thing, david. >> not your thing, david. >> not terribly, no. and i think those who have to live around it well, live in it, it's well, those who live in it, it's fine. a wonderful view. fine. you get a wonderful view. those to around those who have to live around it and look at it. and you have to look at it. >> have to look it. yes >> you have to look at it. yes >>— >> you have to look at it. yes >> a terrible i used to >> it's a terrible i used to work there, so i got quite accustomed to it, to be honest. final this final story of tonight. so this is to do with a new campaign related to handle. >> well it's relating to >> yeah. well it's relating to saint hanover saint george's hanover square in london a beautiful 18th london which is a beautiful 18th century before century church. and just before christmas, the christmas, it's a part of the portico the porch portico roof. the front porch roof in and that actually roof fell in and that actually it covers the pavement on saint george's street. so anybody wanting to down there now wanting to walk down there now has around great deal of has to go around a great deal of scaffolding. a church that scaffolding. it's a church that handel worshipped, had a great deal where many of his works were performance arches. were given performance arches. so of your viewers and so any of your viewers and listeners who are able on the

seventh and 8th of september, that's this thursday and friday, you can go from £0.03 pm you can go along from £0.03 pm and is an open performance and there is an open performance of handel's messiah that of bits of handel's messiah that you part in. it's £5 you can take part in. it's £5 each this will raise money each and this will raise money hopefully for £500,000. is the total needed to repair the portico. this will raise money for this great building with a wonderful historical alliance and also it is one of the great churches of london. so anybody who is able just pop in for half churches of london. so anybody wh hour,ble just pop in for half churches of london. so anybody wh hour, sinngt pop in for half churches of london. so anybody wh hour, sing along) in for half churches of london. so anybody wh hour, sing along the for half an hour, sing along the conductors and the players will change throughout the 24 hours. but it'll a wonderful but i think it'll be a wonderful historical and something historical event and something that do of altruism that we can all do of altruism and good civic pride. absolutely. >> and that website address is on screen right at the on the screen right at the moment. this is in hanover square, square square, hanover square in mayfair, just around the corner from circus. from oxford circus. >> you've excuse not >> so you've got no excuse not to to get there. and to be able to get there. and i think you will it an think you will find it an edifying and enjoyable experience. >> david bolt as as usual, a great pleasure. please come back very thank you . and after very soon. thank you. and after the break on free speech nation , oxfam attacks billionaires .

, oxfam attacks billionaires. grant shapps makes a rare job switch and someone drives around with a cow in the car . see you with a cow in the car. see you in a moment

on mark dolan tonight in my big opinion, tesco are offering body cameras to their staff to protect them against violent assault. >> the government are failing in their number one duty keep us their number one duty to keep us safe. take a ten, the safe. in my take a ten, the so—called it's so—called expert. it's underestimated britain's economic where's underestimated britain's ecoiapology where's underestimated britain's ecoiapology the where's underestimated britain's ecoiapology the usualere's the apology from the usual suspects this suspects who love talking this country annunziata, country down? plus annunziata, rees—mogg and widdecombe and top tory geoffrey

tory backbencher sir geoffrey clifton—brown. from . 9:00 welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. >> so it's time for social sensations and we're going to take at some of the clips take a look at some of the clips and various online that and various things online that have first up, this have gone viral. first up, this video. oxfam have gone viral. first up, this video. that oxfam have gone viral. first up, this video. that the oxfam have gone viral. first up, this video. that the worldn have gone viral. first up, this video. that the world should believes that the world should aim the number of aim to halve the number of billionaires between and billionaires between now and 2030. a at their 2030. let's have a look at their latest . latest video. so that's oxfam there with their six cigar chomping caricature of a billionaire. do you think oxfam should be getting involved in politics in this way? >> no, i mean, i took that to be a dating video that's kind of sexy . yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sexy. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. swipe left . yeah, yeah. swipe left. >> it's an odd one, isn't it? really really odd. >> i mean, it was just missing a bit of a cat there, wasn't

there? like an a laugh hahaha. but no, i've got a new tie on by the way. andrew honestly , the way. andrew yeah, honestly, paul he changes more than elizabeth taylor and cleopatra. >> i demand it. as you seen . >> i demand it. as you seen. >> i demand it. as you seen. >> yeah, absolutely. okay. well that from that was an odd thing from oxfam, going have oxfam, but we're going to have a look at this tweet. so this tweet today by the newspaper tweet was today by the newspaper columnist was columnist owen jones. here was the that he wrote, someone the tweet that he wrote, someone who describes gay who unironically describes gay people as homosexual is almost certainly homophobic. now, this has caused a lot of people commenting on this online. as often happens , the james often happens, the actorjames dreyfus quote tweeted this i wonder if we've got that tweet . wonder if we've got that tweet. hi, owen, i'm a homosexual. all gay people are by definition , gay people are by definition, homosexual, i.e. same sex attracted big fat ,. so yeah, attracted big fat,. so yeah, i mean, it's an odd one, isn't it? i think part of the reason why people are getting upset by the word homosexual, as owen might be, that feels it's become be, is that he feels it's become associated with people who use the phrase same sex attracted . yeah. >> what i think owen jones needs

to go to the opera and sort it all out. absolutely >> do you think homosexual is a homophobic word? >> i used homosexual earlier to describe gay men. >> i was absolutely outraged . >> i was absolutely outraged. >> i was absolutely outraged. >> yeah, you had a big go at me out there. not aware of this, but crazy. if but andrew went crazy. if homosexual is homophobic, isn't homophobic, . homophobic, homophobic. >> that is homophobic. well this is a minefield, isn't it? so phobic is gay phobic means gay. okay, this is very confusing . okay, this is very confusing. >> no, it means fear. >> no, it means fear. >> okay, fine. >> okay, fine. >> i didn't know that. >> i didn't know that. >> let's not get into an etymological, but it'd be great to have owen jones and james dreyfus to talk dreyfus on the show to talk about that'd be a really about that. that'd be a really interesting love about that. that'd be a really intere so, |g love about that. that'd be a really intere so, guys, love about that. that'd be a really intereso, guys, if love about that. that'd be a really intereso, guys, if you're ove that. so, guys, if you're watching owen, i know you watch every week james, if you're every week and james, if you're watching, please do watching, then please do come along. be fun. along. it'd be great fun. i don't happen, but along. it'd be great fun. i dactually happen, but along. it'd be great fun. i dactually genuinelyippen, but along. it'd be great fun. i dactually genuinely that's but along. it'd be great fun. i dactually genuinely that's ajt i actually genuinely that's a genuine anyway, finally, i actually genuinely that's a genuine in anyway, finally, i actually genuinely that's a genuine in nebraska, finally, i actually genuinely that's a genuine in nebraska, police. this week in nebraska, police pulled a vehicle pulled over a vehicle with a massive bull called howdy doody, riding front passenger riding in the front passenger seat. let's have a look at that i >> -- >> around 10 a.m, the norfolk police division responded to a call of a man driving eastbound

on 275 with a watussi ball in his passenger seat. well the officers received a call reference a car driving into town that had a cow in it. >> sps gendered. that that's not cow is it? >> i mean, it's a magnificent beast. >> there's no getting around it. >> there's no getting around it. >> josh it's just a very organic hamburger. just pre—cooked, very fresh. >> it's actually lewis schaffer that's what you would eat? >> lewis schaffer would eat that, yeah, no problem. yeah, no problem . problem. >> yeah. it probably cures cancer in lewis's world. >> lewis has sorts of ideas >> lewis has all sorts of ideas about the world, but beautiful animal, though. >> very large. >> absolutely. very large. >> absolutely. very large. >> that's what you want . >> that's what you want. delicious >> no, not for me, anyway. moving on. a few weeks ago on the program , we covered the the program, we covered the story of a successful lesbian speed dating event which was cancelled after a campaign of intimidation towards organiser jenny watson. this occurred after jenny politely declined to

let a male who identifies as a trans woman and a lesbian attain id the event. so it seemed that the evening, which has helped several lesbian couples get together, was going to bite the dust. but tonight we have an update on this story. who better to tell us than the organiser, jenny watson herself? jenny, thanks to free thanks for coming back to free speech what is the speech nation. what is the update with your event ? update with your event? >> okay, so let's just say love won . so on thursday we received won. so on thursday we received a letter from stone gate saying that we were en cancelled and so we had our next event on the friday. we had four hours to prepare. it was a mad rush, but we got 20 women involved and it was a massive success. um, yeah, it was a great night out. um, and there was, there was dancing until the early hours of that night and it was just yeah, it was a lovely see, yeah . event. was a lovely see, yeah. event. >> can i ask you because a lot

of people, when they saw your interview on the show before, were a bit surprised that the idea of a lesbian dating event wanting to exclude men , that wanting to exclude men, that that would be deemed in any way contravene herschel, you contravene herschel, why do you think decision important think this decision is important so okay, so the decision came from stone gate , which is the from stone gate, which is the largest pub chain in the uk. >> so this sends a really important message . so women only important message. so women only lesbian events are legitimate . lesbian events are legitimate. that's the message. and the same for gay men as well. so this is it's a real victory. it for gay men as well. so this is it's a real victory . it really is. >> and what do you think this means for businesses who are taking advice from third parties as groups like stonewall and gendered intelligence ? gendered intelligence? >> yeah, exactly . i mean, i >> yeah, exactly. i mean, i would just say they need to be very, very careful because it's the law that counts . so don't be the law that counts. so don't be bullied by policies . right. it's bullied by policies. right. it's the law that trumps . so i stood

the law that trumps. so i stood up . other people need to do the up. other people need to do the same and yeah, going forward, hopefully we're going to have other organisers coming out and it's not going to be this underground movement. um, yeah , underground movement. um, yeah, yeah. you know, you're not alone . there's organisations who understand and the law . um, so understand and the law. um, so in my case it was the lgb alliance and they have been so, so supportive , you know, like so supportive, you know, like a couple of years ago we had nothing like that and i would have just crumbled and their support has been amazing. and without them we wouldn't have we wouldn't be here. you know, friday wouldn't have happened and we would have shut down. and yeah, they've been a great force, you know, and i'm so, so thankful for their help there. >> jenny watson , thank you so >> jenny watson, thank you so much. and i'm glad it's gone that way because i think it's just really important that it is established that it is established in law that it is acceptable for lesbians to gather have their dating gather and have their dating events, for goodness sake . events, for goodness sake. anyway, thanks very much for

joining . so it's the final joining me. so it's the final part of the show. we've got just enough time to look at some of our unfiltered dilemmas. so our first dilemma came in from jess .jess first dilemma came in from jess . jess says, my boyfriend has been watching that drug dealer tv show top boy , and now he's tv show top boy, and now he's speaking like a roadman and he's privately educated and grew up in cornwall. can i tell him he sounds silly. i used to have this at the private school. i used to teach him where these really posh boys used to come in talking like in this kind of faux patois , you know? faux gangster patois, you know? >> don't know what you're talking about, mate , you know? talking about, mate, you know? >> i mean, why is it that this happens? >> all these posh people? >> all these posh people? >> because i would say me and i did the same all through public school. was were school. it was we were all trying prove straight we trying to prove how straight we are, rich, little, are, all these rich, little, rich, kids. it was rich, spoilt kids. it was pathetic. >> it's just weird. >> but it's just weird. >> but it's just weird. >> like my school. these kids complain oh, they've complain about, oh, they've got so prep, man. you so much better prep, man. you know like know what i'm saying? like essentially prep is not something that gangsters do , you something that gangsters do, you know, they just don't, do they?

>> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> well, it doesn't work the other way round, does it? i didn't to a school, as didn't go to a posh school, as you may have guessed. sorry, andrew, didn't. and i andrew, i didn't. and if i pretended ties evening . pretended to ties this evening. neither of them belong to me . neither of them belong to me. and if i'd pretended to be posh, that wouldn't have worked in my favour. >> no, absolutely not. well, we've got another dilemma from megan. time megan. if we've got time for this. megan says my flatmate has a this week, but in it. but a date this week, but in it. but it's kitchen and the it's in our kitchen and the quy's it's in our kitchen and the guy's round cook guy's coming round to cook her iranian don't want to be iranian food. i don't want to be banished bedroom and lose banished to my bedroom and lose access living access to the kitchen and living room evening. can i ask to room all evening. can i ask to join them or do i really have to make scarce? you can't make myself scarce? you can't ask them. ask to join them. >> know , that's one thing >> you know, that's one thing will to another and it will will lead to another and it will be a kind of menage a trois situation. >> you don't want that, do you necessarily? >> i want to see that. yeah it's not. it's actually, i think, a bit unfair for the flatmate to say to have date say i'm going to have the date at it's imposing. say i'm going to have the date at it's it's imposing. say i'm going to have the date at it's incredibly it's imposing. say i'm going to have the date at it's incredibly imposing,ing. >> it's incredibly imposing, isn't it? >> yeah. just sending them back. isn't it? >mean,i. just sending them back. isn't it? >mean, you'd sending them back. isn't it? >mean, you'd wantng them back. isn't it? >mean, you'd want to them back. isn't it? >mean, you'd want to go m back. isn't it? >mean, you'd want to go m bato i mean, you'd want to go back to your wouldn't you? your room though, wouldn't you? want that? want to watch that? >> wouldn't have thought

so. 50. >> so. >> i mean, i'm worried that >> i mean, i'm more worried that she to be in the kitchen. she wants to be in the kitchen. >> yeah, maybe date. she wants to be in the kitchen. >> it'sh, maybe date. she wants to be in the kitchen. >> it'sh, rodde date. she wants to be in the kitchen. >> it'sh, rodd one.iate. she wants to be in the kitchen. >> it'sh, rodd one. well look, >> it's an odd one. well look, quickly, dilemma quickly, final dilemma from sarah. i'm sarah. sarah says, if i'm talking to my friend at a party and a joins the and a man joins in the conversation, she will immediately away as she immediately walk away as she doesn't the ever to doesn't want the guy ever to have of have the satisfaction of thinking are competing for thinking we are competing for him. this feminist or this him. is this feminist or is this just weird? i'm going to go with weird. >> this that explains why a lot of women used to walk away when i would talk them. it i would talk to them. yeah, it had to be some explanation, didn't their thoughts? >> paul well, again, i've never beenin >> paul well, again, i've never been in conversation with two been in a conversation with two women any point thought they been in a conversation with two worcompeting point thought they been in a conversation with two worcompeting poi me.|ought they been in a conversation with two worcompeting poi me. no, ht they are competing for me. no, probably not. that mother daughter thing. yeah, maybe . i daughter thing. yeah, maybe. i don't not my don't think it's not my automatic thought. it's not like, come ladies, out i >> -- >> well, thanks, everyone, for sending those unfiltered sending in those unfiltered dilemmas. really do appreciate dilemmas. i really do appreciate you in week. you sending them in every week. and we really solve and i know we really solve things, we? really help. >> i like people are going >> i feel like people are going away lives. improved. >> i feel like people are going awethat's lives. improved. >> i feel like people are going awethat's what ves. improved. >> i feel like people are going awethat's what the improved. >> i feel like people are going awethat's what the showoved. >> i feel like people are going awethat's what the showoveall about. >> you're welcome . um, well, >> you're welcome. um, well, look, thanks joining look, thanks so much for joining us speech nation. us for free speech nation. >> week when we saw >> this was the week when we saw

roisin murphy being cancelled, another one in the cancelled list, and they say it doesn't exist, but it clearly does. thank you so much to my wonderful panel, paul cox and josh harry and to of my josh harry and to all of my guests and by the guests this evening. and by the way, you want to join us live way, if you want to join us live in the studio and be part of the wonderful can do wonderful audience, you can do that. to the address that. just go to the address that's screen right now. ww that's on screen right now. ww dot audiences.com. come along, join us. we've got food, we've got wine. we've got sort of tepid beer haven't we? it's tepid beer haven't we? but it's all all they got rid all it's all right. they got rid of bud light. we had that of the bud light. we had that before. knows why. do come before. god knows why. do come along. tuned along. do stay tuned for the brilliant dolan tonight brilliant mark dolan tonight that's and that's coming up next. and please forget please don't forget that headliners night. headliners is on every night. that's the late night paper preview show where comedians talk you through the next day's top stories . thanks for top news stories. thanks for watching. free speech nation. see woo woo woo i see you next week. woo woo woo! >> the campus is amazing. see you next week. woo woo woo! >> the campus is amazing . boxt >> the campus is amazing. boxt solar are proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. good evening . >> hello there. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey. who is

your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. hope you enjoyed your weekend. it is ending on a fairly fine note for many of us. a lot of clear intervals through the evening and overnight away from the far north of scotland. is going and overnight away from the far no remain cotland. is going and overnight away from the far no remain aytland. is going and overnight away from the far no remain a bit1d. is going and overnight away from the far no remain a bit breezieris going and overnight away from the far no remain a bit breezier andying to remain a bit breezier and cloudier and fog cloudier. some mist and fog patches form underneath patches will form underneath those skies, particularly those clear skies, particularly for eastern england, southeast england, northern england, but also northern ireland quite murky. ireland turning quite murky. first monday morning first thing on monday morning for of though, it will for most of us, though, it will be fairly mild warm start. be a fairly mild warm start. temperatures 14, 15 c in temperatures around 14, 15 c in a lot of our towns and cities . a lot of our towns and cities. once that mist and fog does eventually clear its off, eventually clear its way off, monday promises to be a pretty glorious day for many of a glorious day for many of us. a good of sunshine for the good swathe of sunshine for the vast majority of uk will be vast majority of the uk will be a bit breezy around the west country some country and gusty along some coastlines here and always cloud lingering across very far lingering across the very far north scotland. north of scotland. drizzly outbreaks for shetland outbreaks of rain for shetland as well, but elsewhere in that sunshine warm sunshine feeling very warm widely into the mid 20s , if not widely into the mid 20s, if not the high 20s across southern england wales. pressure england and wales. high pressure sticks us into the middle sticks with us into the middle part week, but it part of the week, but it re—orientate itself so we tap

into air that into a southerly air flow that allows feed in some even allows us to feed in some even warmer conditions from continental on the continental europe. so on the grand scheme of things, tuesday looks another pretty fine looks like another pretty fine day many of again still day for many of us. again still quite the quite blustery across the southwest . some higher base southwest. some higher base cloud across northern cloud pushing in across northern ireland as well. turning the sunshine haze. you're in cloud just still lingering across parts , isle parts of orkney, the isle of lewis, still amounts lewis, but still plenty amounts of to had and of sunshine to be had and temperatures peaking around wednesday over 30 c wednesday and thursday over 30 c . the temperatures rising, but just solar proud sponsors of weather on .