was a few f's and jeffs in there was a few f's and jeffs in there was a few f's and jeffs in there as well. but i wonder what do you think to that? do you agree with her? do you think the media is just too quick to give the government a kicking or do you think? actually, i'd love to know timing that know what your timing ain't that great debacle great given the schools debacle that experiencing today that we are experiencing today and as well. they have and labour as well. they have done big cabinet shadow done quite a big cabinet shadow cabinet reshuffle. it's got me wondering, do you think they are a serious government waiting? a serious government in waiting? is the next government is this the next government unfolding front of our very unfolding in front of our very eyes and pensions ? are there a eyes and pensions? are there a ticking time bomb? so many questions for you tonight. are we saving enough for our retirement ? is the retirement retirement? is the retirement age right ? should it be older? age right? should it be older? and how on earth are we going to pay and how on earth are we going to pay for all of these pensions that are coming our way and ipp , do you know what that is? it's basically you're imprisoned basically when you're imprisoned for protection , then for public protection, then basically have no idea if or basically you have no idea if or when you will be released . i'm when you will be released. i'm not talking about your lunatics like lucy lepis and people like your lucy lepis and people like your lucy lepis and people like that. talking about like that. i'm talking about people often haven't really people are often haven't really committed are that

committed crimes that are that serious should these serious anyway. should these things even be a thing or not? so we've got it all to come. but before let's bring before we do, let's bring ourselves with ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines . tonight's latest headlines. >> thanks, michelle. i'm ray addison in the newsroom. our top stories. the education secretary has confirmed a list of schools affected by the concrete crisis will be published this week . will be published this week. comes after gillian keegan was heard expressing her frustration at the situation in an unusually frank expletive ridden hot mic moment . moment. >> does anyone ever say , you >> does anyone ever say, you know what, you've done a good job because everyone else has sat on there and done nothing? no. no signs of that? no. >> well, ms keegan has since apologised for her use of language . language. >> well, it wasn't really talked about anything in particular. it was off the cuff remark after the news interview had finished, or apparently after it had finished it. and i'd like to apologise for my choice language

that was unnecessary, but it was an off the cuff remark. basically you know, based on the interview, the interview had been pressing me quite hard. you know why i hadn't solved this issue, which had been going on since 1994. >> the prime minister has attempted to bat away accusations regarding his role in the crisis while he was chancellor the government is under increasing pressure to explain how they'll keep schools safe from a kind of concrete that's prone to collapse as children return to school. rishi sunak saying it's wrong to suggest that he is to blame for failing to fully fund a program to rebuild england's schools when he was chancellor here. >> of course, i know the timing is frustrating, but i want to give people a sense of the scale of what we're grappling with here. there are around 22,000 schools england , and the schools in england, and the important thing to know is we expect that 95% of those schools won't be impacted by this. around 50 schools have already been mitigated. another 100 are in the process of being so and

our expectation is, is in a matter of weeks, the bulk of the remaining schools that will have this issue will be identified as well . well. >> northern ireland's police chief, simon byrne, has resigned. a recent court ruling deemed that mr byrne's disciplinary actions against two junior officers were unlawful . junior officers were unlawful. it follows a major data breach last month which revealed the details of 10,000 psni staff . details of 10,000 psni staff. edgar jardine, vice chair of the northern ireland policing board, says integrity is of the utmost importance in the service . importance in the service. >> the board is very clear. importance in the service. >> the board is very clear . we >> the board is very clear. we expect the highest standard of professionalism and integrity from all our police officers in line with the code of ethics . line with the code of ethics. and the police service of northern ireland has taken a very strong view. our very strong position, which the board supports of ensuring that we can account on the highest standards of behaviour within the police

service . service. >> uk government sources have confirmed that french police have stopped more than 15,000 migrants from reaching the uk in small boats so far this year. gb news can reveal that tougher french policing around some key migrant launch points has significantly disrupted people smuggling activities. one source told us gangs are being forced told us gangs are being forced to move much further south along the french coast to try to avoid enhanced police patrols. although 872 people arrived on 15 small boats on saturday, the overall number of channel migrants is more than 20% down when compared to the same period last year . the health secretary last year. the health secretary has appointed lady justice thirlwall to head up the inquiry into crimes committed by child serial killer lucy letby. steve barclay says the inquiry will have legal powers to compel witnesses to provide evidence. that's expected to include former and current staff of the count of chester hospital nhs foundation trust, where letby

worked . angela rayner is the new worked. angela rayner is the new shadow deputy prime minister and levelling up secretary as sir keir starmer reshuffles his top team . she replaces lisa nandy, team. she replaces lisa nandy, who becomes shadow cabinet minister for international development. among the other changes, pat mcfadden takes on the influential role of national campaign co—ordinator, as well as shadow chancellor of the duchy of lancaster . an duchy of lancaster. an independent review says former cabinet minister sir gavin williamson should apologise to mps for bullying the former chief whip. he sent offensive text messages to wendy morton after he wasn't invited to the late queens funeral. the panel says sir gavin should also take part in a appropriate behaviour training . this is gb news across training. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play . gb news speaker by saying play. gb news direct bullion sponsors the

finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment . gold and silver investment. let's get a quick snapshot of today's markets. the pound will buy you $1.2622 and ,1.1690. price of gold £1,535.78 per ounce. and the ftse 100 has closed the day at 7452 points. >> direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news investments that matter . thanks investments that matter. thanks for that. >> i'm michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 tonight alongside me, my panel, a pr consultant, alex dean and the former labour adviser for scarlett mccgwire. good evening to both of you. you. it was like a herculean effort getting here overnight, wasn't it? >> well done. well, the that you didn't stop at paddington, but they didn't tell us until after they didn't tell us until after the doors had closed. so i had to walk from royal oak. well if i was in better condition, i would have run a very thing around. would have run a very thing arorwell, she's a grafter, and

>> well, she's a grafter, and she know this whole kind of civil service of from civil service kind of work from the kind of attitude. the beach kind of attitude. that's what we have dewbs that's not what we have on dewbs & co come hell or high water. we're in here, aren't we? no strikes, nothing can deter us. i can anyway. what's on can tell you anyway. what's on your tonight? get touch your mind tonight? get in touch with me usual ways. with me all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com is how you email tweet me at email me or you can tweet me at gb news. of course, the thing that's dominating a lot of the conversation tonight is the education secretary, gillian keegan . she been recorded on keegan. she has been recorded on camera suggesting i think actually i'll have to play you a clip so you can listen to what she had to say. but we will get a plan and every single one of them will be done. >> okay. >> okay. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. thank you . >> thank you. thank you. >> thank you. thank you. >> just a few just keir mather. >> just a few just keir mather. >> does anyone ever say , you >> does anyone ever say, you know what? you've done a good job because everyone else has sat on there and done nothing. no, no signs of that. no spicy. >> what did you think to that? was you sitting there going, actually, do you know what? pack it in. she's just a human being

after all. a little bit frustrated with the interview, as says, it was aimed at, as she says, it was aimed at, although knows? mind although who knows? the mind boggles. in touch boggles. alex has been in touch saying tube, she's got you all talking swearing talking about her swearing now and schools crisis. he and not the schools crisis. he reckons or she reckons, alex, that this perhaps was a pr coup i >> -- >> well, i emma >> well, i like alex's name, but i don't like alex's theory because, i mean, people always see conspiracy behind everything i can tell you this is not the dream of your average spinner. and you've got to hear with you and the person who advises the secretary of state is behind the camera, hands when this camera, head in hands when this sort thing happens. look on sort of thing happens. look on the hand, you can argue the one hand, you can argue secretary of state lot on her plate . we're all from time to plate. we're all from time to time say something in what we think is a private conversation we not to be we might not wish to be broadcast on international television shared globally television and shared globally on . on the other on the internet. on the other hand, most of us doing media training very quickly to training learn very quickly to treat every camera as if it's live . and i think that's live. and i think that's a useful lesson. once again underscored today. well yes. >> i mean, if any if any of you

guys have watched since the start of gb news, you will be familiar. i was once thrown on air in the middle of an outbreak. i'd had absolutely no idea not saying, idea how how i was not saying, you're telling a story to me. in fact. yeah. how i was not saying something. choice instead, i was putting my lipstick on. i got off mildly. i could tell you. well actually, that's you, right? >> and the problem. the problem with alex, of course, is with i mean, alex, of course, is completely . and the rule completely right. and the rule is you never, speak in is you never, ever speak in front a microphone because it front of a microphone because it always but but the always might be on. but but the problem with it is she's feeling sorry for herself . and she's i sorry for herself. and she's i mean, it's incredible. she's had a whole summer to sort this one out. and then she says to the parents, no, you can't go. you can't get your kids back to school. parents are furious. they are they are in bits. nobody quite knew whether was nobody quite knew whether it was their or not. i mean, and their school or not. i mean, and then she says the order of events, though, is it and this is i think she's getting is what i think she's getting frustrated about. >> you're saying she's >> because you're saying she's had a whole summer to sort this out. believe at face out. if you believe at face

value, what the what the government telling us, what government are telling us, what gillian are saying gillian et cetera are saying to us, the school us, what nick gibb, the school minister saying as well, minister was saying as well, what has happened. so the reason that all become that this has all become apparent know, all kind apparent and, you know, all kind of very last minute is apparently over last kind of apparently over the last kind of few i think few weeks, a few beams, i think there was three or something, panels previously panels which had previously been listed critical. so i.e, listed as non critical. so i.e, you urgent, you don't need you know, urgent, you don't need to close down tomorrow. some to close it down tomorrow. some of things had then of those things had then collapsed, the collapsed, which then made the government proactively. government reassess proactively. do what we need to do you know what we need to accelerate do it now? accelerate this and do it now? >> actually, these warnings had been for years. i mean, been going on for years. i mean, something a beam collapsed something some a beam collapsed in a school in kent in 2018, primary school. >> and actually that's when they should have checked every school. >> i mean, no question . i mean, >> i mean, no question. i mean, gillian keegan's right. she's had i've forgotten how many is it? five education secretaries before her who didn't do anything. gavin williamson didn't take any notice of anything the whole time . and anything the whole time. and she's she's got to pick up the pieces. and so she's crossed. so in that way she's right. but

actually they have had warning after warning after warning, and nobody did anything. that's the problem . problem. >> if you let's put aside the language she uses. i take your point about why blame the person who's actually doing something rather than those didn't do rather than those who didn't do something and predated that person in the role. but of course, the use of this material in construction dates back. i think it's the 50s to the 90s. and the point is that a lot of these schools were built with a 30 year planned life. well, first of all, that seems a remarkably shortsighted thing to do. but let's put it to one side. we needed more schools and that's how we built. it's not just in schools. it's in hospitals, magistrates, courts, other municipal other kinds of municipal buildings of buildings and plenty of hospitals . some i know are, you hospitals. some i know are, you know, got metal struts know, they've got metal struts that have been put around to hold beams and areas of hold up these beams and areas of rotting, effectively concrete or insufficiently concrete . insufficiently stable concrete. the point being, i think that people thought it was, you know, bad , bad but stable. and then at bad, bad but stable. and then at some point, you know, this is these are the facts we've been

given. at some point over the summer, it became clear that at least in some cases, that was wrong, that the previous assumptions it assumptions that you could it was a reliable rate of decay and you could when you you could work out when you needed those needed to act. those assumptions. longer applied assumptions. no longer applied and posed danger. and things were posed danger. and i suppose you've and then i suppose you've actually got to give some credit to a government minister who says, you know what, i'm going to get the schools to get this in the neck. schools are to open next week, are supposed to open next week, but this applies, but everywhere this applies, we're going the we're not going to open the school happened if one school and what happened if one beam down during. school and what happened if one bea exactly. own during. school and what happened if one beaexactly. inn during. school and what happened if one beaexactly. i mean, ng. school and what happened if one beaexactly. i mean, that school and what happened if one bea exactly. i mean, that was >> exactly. i mean, that was i mean, i actually think i think it's what's so amazing about this building a school for 30 years is that both my children who went to different primary schools because we moved house, were in victorian schools that are still there and still have people going in and out and both schools have been there for 100 years. and so alex, you're completely right that actually this short termism, which and i'm not blaming either party, right? it's politicians.

absolutely is the problem. but i mean, it the secretary the shadow secretary of state for education asked 156 times about school buildings . i mean, school school buildings. i mean, school buildings have been a. what do you mean? she was asked. >> 150. >> 150. >> she asked in parliament over 100 times. over 150 times what is happening about school buildings. this wasn't just crumbling concrete. i mean, there are real problems about school buildings . and school buildings. and i ironically, when she was at school in the 90s, because she's very young compared to me , she very young compared to me, she was taught i don't know whether it was crumbling concrete, but she was taught in a in classrooms with struts and says, actually, it's pretty awful being taught like that. >> i was just reflecting on what you've you've just made me you've got. you've just made me what a moment what alcoholics call a moment of clarity. when you realise you're the same as the secretary of the same age as the secretary of state talking so state you're talking about. so i was school in the 90s to at was at school in the 90s to at least i left school, but least when i left school, but i was at primary school in 80s was at primary school in the 80s and a middle school, was

and i had a middle school, was a three school system and each of them, my primary, middle and upper all had terrapins. upper school all had terrapins. they little like they all had a little like caravan units, statics that we were taught in each of each of the schools. we had classrooms that you were in for a whole year where they were like these big static caravan things and so school buildings have been inadequate in our state system for some time. >> one of the things that i was quite interested in is she was expressing a frustration today. gillian keegan when she was caught the microphone and, caught on the microphone and, and when she was probed in a follow up interview about who was that aimed at, i think it was that aimed at, i think it was aimed, i think what she was kind of saying was it was aimed at the interview. the interview was probing her. and then she went on say that actually went on to say that actually she's these she's put out all these questionnaires schools questionnaires to these schools and she's not got a big response. so i thought to myself, gillian keegan, myself, if i was gillian keegan, i would now be mindful to perhaps consider naming and shaming the schools, because if what she is saying is true, that this has elevated to this situation has elevated to critical, if you've got schools

that whatever reason not that for whatever reason are not responding requests for responding to your requests for questionnaires, name and shame them , i hate sound like them well, i hate to sound like i'm being a backroom lawyer, but if you a forensic about that, if you be a forensic about that, her that it was aimed at her reply that it was aimed at the interviewer might apply to why give me why doesn't somebody give me credit doing an good job? credit for doing an good job? >> it can't apply the second >> it can't apply to the second clause, which is while others were on their bottoms , were sitting on their bottoms, right? yeah. that's not about the interviewer . now that might the interviewer. now that might be about the leah's. it might be about headmasters, might be about headmasters, it might be about headmasters, it might be about as about her predecessors as education it might be education secretary it might be about the people built the about the people who built the school. be about the school. it might be about the opposition, it can't be opposition, but it can't be about interviewer. so that about the interviewer. so that definitely part it about the interviewer. so that definiexplain part it about the interviewer. so that definiexplain part part it about the interviewer. so that definiexplain part two. it can't explain part two. >> also so she knew that >> and but also so she knew that she was going to get tough questions. mean, what do you questions. i mean, what do you expect when you say to two parents, no , no, no, you you parents, no, no, no, you you can't go back to school. i mean, that's the job. frank kelly yeah. >> and, you know, this has not been well communicated, not least because some of these schools it's only one classroom and schools, this and some of these schools, this is corridor. is a corridor. >> be. yeah. >> it can be. yeah. >> kids were only out. i mean ,

>> kids were only out. i mean, only it's disruptive and only i know it's disruptive and i know it's hard for parents. i don't mean to be flippant, but it was a single day of learning remotely. you know, they remotely. so you know, they could a lot could have explained this a lot better. the full in better. it's not the full 100 in a very, very bizarre twist of fate, i took my child to fate, when i took my child to nursery he couldn't go nursery today, he couldn't go into because the ceiling into nursery because the ceiling had collapsed. >> was that? >> how was that? >> how was that? >> that crumbling concrete >> was that crumbling concrete or just >> was that crumbling concrete orjust know that >> was that crumbling concrete or just know that was or just know what that was was a burst thing or something? burst water thing or something? >> short, the >> anyway, long story short, the ceiling collapsed, we ceiling collapsed, so we all turned they couldn't contact turned up. they couldn't contact us had no us parents because they had no electricity, so they electricity, apparently, so they couldn't us. they had couldn't email us. they had no phone like or whatever. phone like database or whatever. so assure you is deeply so i can assure you it is deeply inconvenient you have no inconvenient when you have no childcare. look, like i childcare. but look, like i said, troopers on news said, we're troopers on gb news us. anyway. and us. we're here anyway. and i want to talk to you next about laboun want to talk to you next about labour. you've seen today perhaps cabinet perhaps a shadow cabinet reshuffle. have you paid attention ? do you know who's who attention? do you know who's who do care? is this next do you care? is this the next government in waiting? were you impressed what you impressed with what you saw today? have

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>> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, the consultant alex dean and former labour adviser scarlett mccgwire david says i'm a former school business manager and when i was in post i had a full condition survey carried out by a professional firm, he says, where issues were uncovered within the schools. they applied for funding and they resolved their problems. he's asking , their problems. he's asking, perhaps, should the headmasters have been a little bit more proactive perhaps in managing and maintaining their own schools? interesting question is there's not a lot of love for there's not a lot of love for the itv team . some of you are the itv team. some of you are saying that you're that you think that the itv team set out to deliberately trap gillian. alex is having none of that. >> i mean, i get some people will look at anything like this and grasses why did you think on her but any news team is going to have gets this sort of thing it's gold dust you can't it's not you can't blame them. in the end, it's you have to have a real rigour and discipline as an

interviewer. >> but it's like gordon brown and that woman, gillian duffy absolutely. which was which was in the car and that was put out by sky. and then john major talking about the bastards. >> yeah, yeah, right. oh, excuse me. tea time. sorry everybody. sorry. >> talking about the george bush. >> yo, blair off, mike. >> yo, blair off, mike. >> not speaking to the prime minister as it happens a lot. >> and it's standard practise that you put it out. and we don't blame the itv crew . don't blame the itv crew. >> my favourite of all of them is prince charles slagging off. i nicholas i think it was nicholas witchell. i hate that man. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> prince charles as he was then i >> -- >> well there you go. and you know, i do think that gillian >> well there you go. and you know, won think that gillian >> well there you go. and you know, won thatk that gillian >> well there you go. and you know, won that bigot gillian >> well there you go. and you know, won that bigot thing.1 duffy won that bigot thing. >> i think that that was quite a big nail actually, in labour's coffin for a while because i think so many working class people felt disconnect shifted to the labour party , which to the labour party, which bnngs to the labour party, which brings me on nicely, seamlessly . do you see what i did there too? my next topic, which is of course labour , have done quite a

course labour, have done quite a big reshuffle today. did you see any of any of it? there's been quite a few promotion shows, a few demotions. let's have a little look, see whether or not i can bring some of those up on the screen. and actually it'll be interesting to see. i'll throw it you first at throw it to you first at scarlet. are we interesting to see whether or not this is you know, to be the know, is this going to be the team now that into next team now that takes into next election? think we'll election? do you think we'll have any changes before then or not? >> i there are not supposed to be changes. is supposed be any changes. this is supposed to team that goes into to be the team that goes into the election hopefully wins the election and hopefully wins it goes into government that it and goes into government that that's how he's chosen them. and do look at that squad there do you look at that squad there and think, that is and do you think, yes, that is the can win the next the team that can win the next election? >> i mean, i know quite a few of them. >> they are really, really good. i mean, i, i think it's great andifs i mean, i, i think it's great and it's quite interesting is that i texted my sister about one in particular and she and she said, which one in particular? >> get it back up on the screen, by the way, because i don't think people can see. >> read debbonaire. thangam. debbonaire bristol east. bristol

west. the new west. who is the who's the new shadow culture, media and sport secretary, which is great because she was a professional cellist. and so to have somebody who's really serious about the arts , as in it is, is , is great, arts, as in it is, is, is great, actually. i mean, it's she she was completely thrilled . all right. >> well, what do you make so what you see unfolding there on your screen? well, look, let's do you feel threatened as a tory? do you look at that and 90, tory? do you look at that and go, no, that is who's going to cost me the election? >> i do. but let's there's one thing i think that's undeniable and should said in the and should be said in the interests of being reasonable. this is plainly a much better team than corbyn had. and team than jeremy corbyn had. and some think by some people think that's by faint that's not how faint praise, and that's not how i is i mean it. what i mean is i actually think the conservative party every chance of party has every chance of winning the election. but winning the next election. but if this if that was you honestly, absolutely honestly, i absolutely i absolutely just in a hung absolutely do not just in a hung parliament, but the next parliament, but winning the next election. think the election. and i think the country large yet to make election. and i think the cotitsy large yet to make election. and i think the cotits mind arge yet to make election. and i think the cotits mind about yet to make election. and i think the cotits mind about aboutto make election. and i think the cotits mind about about keir ake up its mind about about keir starmer polls often starmer yet polls are often wrong. indeed polls were absolutely wrong about brexit

for years before we had no alex. >> i remember i've been on the show with you when labour were behind you said, and if behind and you said, and if there's an election will there's an election you will lose. now you're saying lose. and now you're saying polls wrong. polls are wrong. >> that's what i can't >> i mean, that's what i can't remember at point that remember when at what point that was case. but thought that was the case. but i thought that you then, and i think you would lose then, and i think you'll so my position you'll lose now. so my position hasn't changed. no, but you said the i was seeking. no, but my position, view wasn't based position, my view wasn't based on view was based on the polls. my view was based on the polls. my view was based on credibility of labour on the credibility of the labour party. genuinely think party. and i genuinely think that party has that the labour party has improved in credibility vastly since election. i'm since the last election. so i'm conceding and i want to say conceding that and i want to say one more thing. the interests one more thing. in the interests of is in my of fairness, which is that in my view that a healthy state of view that is a healthy state of play. only right that the play. it is only right that the opposition should ready opposition should be ready to form government should form government and should posture ready to form posture as if it's ready to form government. corbyn in my government. jeremy corbyn in my view, never actually looked like he going reins he was going to take the reins of keir is of government. keir starmer is at trying to position at least trying to position himself as if, as if i think himself as if, as if he i think that jeremy corbyn got an easy ride from the did he? ride from the media, did he? >> he's not and >> i mean, he's not my and neither is keir starmer. >> i, i don't think. i mean,

it's not for me to defend the media or otherwise, but i think people are relatively consistent on media is on that front. the media is consistently, my view, consistently, in my view, slightly hostile the slightly more hostile to the conservative the conservative party than to the left. that reflects left. but that reflects the broad sense centre broad left wing sense centre position the media position of the media class. >> when do, i agree with >> when i do, i agree with michelle. i never michelle. i was never a corbynista sure i do agree with michelle that he did get a really, really hard time from the media and never and never got taken seriously in a way that actually i mean, boris johnson was allowed to sort of just get in without ask about this. >> let me just bring it back to the shadow cabinet. phil says, why on earth has been? angela rayner being given such a prominent position ? what do you prominent position? what do you think to the that now think to the role that she's now got? she's basically got one of the that lisa nandy the positions that lisa nandy had.sheis the positions that lisa nandy had. she is now shadow levelling up had. she is now shadow levelling up secretary shadow deputy up secretary and shadow deputy prime up secretary and shadow deputy prirwell, deputy prime >> well, so the deputy prime minister is because she's the she's the deputy leader and she was elected. so i think that's quite straightforward. it's absolutely right that that's what he did. the levelling up. i mean, the thing about angela is

she levelling up. i mean , she gets levelling up. i mean, she's she's lived through that . she's she's lived through that. >> i think lisa nandy did. >> i think lisa nandy did. >> i think angela probably will do it better. i think angela needs something where she really where she can really get her teeth it. i think she teeth into it. i think she wanted a proper delivery job. the problem with the cabinet office is, is it's quite amorphous. it's about government. interestingly, they've got three people in it to look at government . but to look at government. but actually, when you do levelling up, i mean, i have a lot of time for lisa nandy. i think she's great on the media, but she was not making any . not making any. >> i've got to say. >> i've got to say. >> look, i three quarters agree on the half i agree with you on is that she was elected and that's the system the labour party has. so there it is, the quarter. i agree with you on is that needed a proper job. that she needed a properjob. you can't have a deputy then you can't have a deputy and then not or at least not an actual role or at least you shouldn't . i don't not an actual role or at least you shouldn't. i don't is i mean lisa nandy in my view a much lisa nandy in my view is a much better performer than angela raynen >> one of viewers dog makes >> one of my viewers dog makes an point. he says,

an interesting point. he says, why referring it as why are you referring to it as starmer's cabinet? why are you why are you referring it as why are you referring to it as blair's cabinet? there's blair's cabinet? and there's been shall say, been a lot of, shall we say, interest and conversation about just are in just how many blairites are in the shadow cabinet. i'll touch back on in a second. but back on that in a second. but before i do that, let's have a look at weather. i'll look at the weather. i'll drop you going to be you a hint. it's going to be absolutely. martin warm absolutely. martin on that warm feeling boxt boilers feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello . >> hello. >> hello. >> good evening. as we head into tuesday , there will be a little tuesday, there will be a little bit of fog around tonight, though, whilst in the south—west, we can expect some strong, blustery winds. but the hot sunny weather returns as strong, blustery winds. but the hot go sunny weather returns as strong, blustery winds. but the hot go through weather returns as strong, blustery winds. but the hot go through tomorrow aturns as strong, blustery winds. but the hot go through tomorrow because we go through tomorrow because of this area of high pressure dominating the picture across the uk leading to largely settled weather and dragging hot air the south. meanwhile air in from the south. meanwhile looking at details through looking at the details through monday , there front monday night, there is a front across the far north of scotland bringing some rain to bringing some cloud and rain to shetland. largely shetland. elsewhere, a largely dry skies, but dry picture, clear skies, but some mist and fog patches developing particularly towards the north and the east. windier in the south—west. but many

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. gb news. >> that guy was right, wasn't i told you it's going to be martin and it is no. one. what does martin mean? >> you keep saying this word, but i don't know what it means, what it means. >> people in my ear are saying, what mean? and, you what does it mean? and, you know, like a brief know, you have like a brief nanosecond sir, i hope nanosecond there, sir, i hope i've not just said something that shouldn't have that i really shouldn't have said national tv. when you said on national tv. when you google it properly, but it means it hot, it means it means like hot, it means boiling, means warm, means boiling, it means warm, it means uncomfortably oppressively hot. >> n hot. >> i mean, northern, >> it's true. i mean, northern, northern english. northern english. it's more broader than that. for me, that. northern england, for me, i educate the nation. i am here to educate the nation. >> i appreciate thank me >> i appreciate it. thank me later. the blairite later. anyway, the blairite connection, mean , a lot of connection, i mean, a lot of those people were in school when tony blair got in in 1997. >> i don't understand this thing about blair blairite. i think it's because five of them were were special advisers in the blair years. >> well, so if it was if we're going to go in for nothing wrong with it. >> no, she brown. i mean >> no, she was brown. i mean i mean this is this is completely ridiculous. yeah yes. some of

them were special advisers . a them were special advisers. a lot of them were still at school. and actually, some of them i'm trying to think i think yvette was a minister under blair and brown. david lammy was a minister. >> why be defensive about it, having continued in a party, especially one that's been out of government for more than a decade, having some continuity of government for more than a deaade, having some continuity of government for more than a dea good aving some continuity of government for more than a dea good thing.some continuity is a good thing. >> i just this blair brown >> i just think this blair brown thing just boring. that thing is just so boring. is that actually we want? actually what we want? >> talking about you. >> oh, she's talking about you. that was doug's. doug's observation. >> i know. well, doug, i'm afraid. think not about afraid. i think it's not about blair brown. it's about what we're going to do next. it's not about past. about the past. >> there go. what do you >> there you go. what do you make to response you get in make to that response you get in touch and you me. but after touch and you tell me. but after the want to talk to you the break, i want to talk to you about plans. can we about pension plans. can we afford of these pensions? afford all of these pensions? are we paying enough? do we need to

>> this is gb news radio. >> this is gb news radio . hello >> this is gb news radio. hello i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. >> the pr consultant alex dean

and the former labour advisor scarlett mccgwire keep me company. you're a censor bunch. i always say that about you guys . kirsty says. i absolutely love that you just said it is martin. i was laughing because i knew, she says no one down south would even know what you meant. but joanne says, i'm from yorkshire andindeed joanne says, i'm from yorkshire and indeed is. martin and and indeed it is. martin and john agrees. you something john agrees. you learn something new every day, a little tangent, because honestly thought because i honestly just thought it a word . it was just a word. >> everybody knew it's a stroke of brilliance, if i may say, because the concentrated minority you mean minority that know what you mean feels special and love it, and the vast, majority who the vast, diffuse majority who have what that word have no clue what that word means, don't really mind he means, don't really mind when he gets tonight or when he gets home tonight or when he wakes tomorrow and it's hot wakes up tomorrow and it's hot andifs wakes up tomorrow and it's hot and it's mafeking. >> you're going to be sitting there oh, oh, so there oh, going, oh, it's so mufti clothes sticking mufti clothes are sticking to me. you say, i'll me. a muffin? yes. you say, i'll hear i'll into the hear you. i'll go into the office for the aircon just to get out of the math thing here. >> yes. i'm not sure you'd say it that i wouldn't say it all. >> it's marketing heat. oh it's. it's embarrassing misusing it. it's embarrassing misusing it. it's getting out there.

>> you're going have learn it's getting out there. >>usej're going have learn it's getting out there. >>use ite going have learn it's getting out there. >>use it so oing have learn it's getting out there. >>use it so that have learn it's getting out there. >> use it so that you ave learn it's getting out there. >>use it so that you can learn it's getting out there. >> use it so that you can thenarn to use it so that you can then impress everyone. >> i i might do some >> i might. i might do some linguists mic lessons. one of these days. do, like, these days. i'll do, like, a nice phrase, guide a nice phrases of whole, whole speak and some subtitles or and maybe some subtitles or something at the bottom one of these days help you these days to help you understand me. anyway, let's talk because understand me. anyway, let's talk of because understand me. anyway, let's talk of the because understand me. anyway, let's talk of the bosses because understand me. anyway, let's talk of the bosses of because understand me. anyway, let's talk of the bosses of one because understand me. anyway, let's talk of the bosses of one of:ause one of the bosses of one of britain's biggest funds basically that we need basically has said that we need to pension contributions to double pension contributions from 8% to 16. what he's talking aboutis from 8% to 16. what he's talking about is the basic kind of contribution scheme where your employer has to do three and you've got to do five. i think that's what he's referring to. a lot of people, of course, put a lot of people, of course, put a lot more than that into their pensions, especially those lucky folk seem within the folk who seem to work within the pubuc folk who seem to work within the public employee public sector where employee contributions are about 20 contributions often are about 20 odd % alex but anyway, are we odd% alex but anyway, are we saving enough for our retirement? >> no, we're clearly not. but this is a position taken by stephen bird, who's the chief executive of aberdeen. they've rebranded now. so aberdeen, they took all the vowels out for some reason. his point is reason. anyway, his point is that we are not contributing

enough and right. but his enough and he's right. but his his statement that we should double the contribution, obligatory contributions combined from employer and employee. in my view, it's more of a conversation starter. it's a provocation meant to trigger a pubuc a provocation meant to trigger a public debate rather than genuine you can't in genuine, because you can't in one go double the contributions required from people . it just required from people. it just takes up too much of the income that people are planning to use for their future. you can do it incrementally over time, and i certainly think we should move from the current kind of 8% minimum to at least 10% over time. but the notion we're going to suddenly to 16, i think to move suddenly to 16, i think is not realistic. is just not realistic. >> would then? would >> what would you do then? would you so if you've got you do so if you've got a minimum of a 3% contribution at the moment from employer, the moment from the employer, employer, so employer, push that one up. so the i think the employer one up, i think they both need to go up and four and would seem logical and six would seem the logical place each and just and place one on each and just and then perhaps see how that goes and how the economy goes and and see how the economy goes and then again. then push up again. >> more important thing then push up again. >> there's more important thing then push up again. >> there's aiore important thing then push up again. >> there's a private iortant thing then push up again. >> there's a private member'sig and there's a private member's bill in the house, i can't remember who's who genuinely

can't it's remember who's who genuinely can't with, it's remember who's who genuinely can't with, down it's remember who's who genuinely can't with, down under, it's remember who's who genuinely can't with, down under, but it's down with, down under, but there's a private member's bill in house of commons at the in the house of commons at the moment to bring age for moment to bring the age for contributions from, i think contributions down from, i think it's to and that brings it's 22 to 18, and that brings another 900,000 the another 900,000 people into the saving and saving net, which is great. and it another four it would bring another four years in. so i years of contribution in. so i know there's people their 18 know there's people in their 18 are to themselves, are thinking to themselves, i don't care about their pension, i i've got news i don't need to. i've got news for you do. for you. you do. >> before you know it, you go. >> before you know it, you go. >> the sooner we put it in, the more interest you have on it. the better. >> indeed. what do you to >> indeed. what do you think to this? even take it this? do we even take it seriously for this? seriously enough for this? >> we don't. we don't take >> no, we don't. we don't take it and one of the it seriously. and one of the reasons is because you don't reasons is, is because you don't think ever get think you're ever going to get there. i mean, particularly when you're i mean, you know, i remember having argument with remember having an argument with somebody i was somebody who said when i was sort my early 40s, he sort of in my early 40s, he said, never hire said, well, i'd never hire anybody 40. he now in anybody over 40. he is now in his 50s. and i'm sure he's regretting he but regretting what he said. but people people, ever people young people, don't ever see themselves old. see themselves getting old. i mean, look at the who, you know, i don't want to i don't want to get the song, i the get the song, but i mean, the other problem sort of

other problem is that sort of people what, 28 to 48, people from, what, 28 to 48, you're having children, you're you've a mortgage, you're you've got a mortgage, you're you're now your priorities are here and now and you're strapped for alone now where for cash, let alone now where people, you know , masses and people, you know, masses and masses i mean most of britain is strapped for cash and certainly in that age group . and is in that age group. and that is the problem is you don't take it seriously. and the only way to deal with pensions is to build them up. >> see, that's why there is a genuine debate to be had here. and i'm not sure there's an absolute right or wrong because there is there's quite paternalistic people how there is there's quite pa spend stic people how there is there's quite paspendstic money.eople how there is there's quite pa spend stic money. right. ow there is there's quite pa spend stic money. right. and to spend their money. right. and people entitled to say people are entitled to say i should be able to control what my are i'm my outgoings are and i'm entitled take the risk entitled to take on the risk about that far future in return for to buy a house for being able to buy a house which be an investment that which may be an investment that i can cash in on in the future, spend money on my children and make investments for myself. those arguments . those are reasonable arguments. the as a country the trouble is we as a country are facing shortfall in are facing such a shortfall in people's savings once they get to retirement age that we're coming so far short. i think the case for some interventions ,

case for some interventions, some almost some nudging, is almost unarguable . unarguable. >> and what about the pension age in this country ? age in this country? >> yeah, i would do three >> yeah, so i would do three things right. i would do that moving contribution moving the contribution age down, the minimum down, i'd nudge the minimum contributions bit. i'm contributions up a bit. and i'm afraid unpopular afraid fabulously unpopular position on this channel. i would move retirement age up would move the retirement age up a or two to what so what a year or two to what so what would you make it so i mean what 68 is the current age and i'm just going to have 70. just going to have to be 70. >> but actually that's fine. if you've a sort of easy you've got a nice sort of easy job. i mean, if you're a manual worker, how long can you go on serious working? i mean, one of the problems that we've in the problems that we've got in this country is the this country actually is the level sickness about the for level of sickness about the for the people over and the the people of over 50 and the spectator looked into it, thinks that i mean a right wing magazine thinking they were going to do an article about lazy you know, lazy people over 50 all of that not not not for a second. we're talking long term. >> i saw i saw fraser nelson's reporting on it. the trouble the trouble with this is as soon as

you say we as a country have got to save more and retire later because our longevity has gone up a or two, but by up not by a month or two, but by like a decade since we introduced the system. introduced the pension system. somebody but what if somebody says, yes, but what if you an illiterate with a you are an illiterate with a broken back and you are destroyed the age of why destroyed by the age of 42? why alex dean you want to make alex dean do you want to make people wear sackcloth ashes? people wear sackcloth and ashes? what saying, crazy. what i'm saying, it's crazy. the extreme debate extreme people take this debate to i'm not actually used to saying that's what happens, but i am . i am. >> watch my twitter feed. it's a real i'm saying a real real i'm saying it's a real problem. i don't have a problem. look, i don't have a problem, until problem, you know, working until i absolutely fine. i drop. that's absolutely fine. but call this work, you but but it's call this work, you know, compared to what try do i'm ever to going retire. >> do you want a team ever going to be able to. >> absolutely. do you want a teacher here who is in their waiting for finish to be teaching your your class? i mean there a lot tough jobs. there are a lot of tough jobs. sure. and that that's what it's and there used to be we had this thing called a retirement decade which did seem a good a good idea . i mean, actually, somehow idea. i mean, actually, somehow we've got to have a we've got to

have a conversation so that the older people are not discriminated against and it is accepted that they can do they can do lots and lots of work, but actually some of them can't. that's what i'm trying to say. >> that's why you need to stagger it over time so that it takes in effect and i'm open to the discussions about having different tiers or categories of people. undertaken people. so those who undertaken the of their the majority, the bulk of their career manual labour are career in manual labour are either assisted into work either assisted into other work or early or have, frankly, an early retirement a compromise retirement age as a compromise to to get to the to help us to get to the position where more of us are working for longer, which is going society hugely, going to help society hugely, but also help the but it will also help the individual retirement was meant to a break the end of a of to be a break at the end of a of a long career in which you got a short rest before. short a little rest before. i hate be blunt, we died. the hate to be blunt, we died. the mortality rate in life is 100. so there are people out there thinking, well, i should be able to a 30 year retirement. thinking, well, i should be able to that a 30 year retirement. thinking, well, i should be able to that is50 year retirement. thinking, well, i should be able to that is that's r retirement. thinking, well, i should be able to that is that's what's�*nent. no, that is that's what's happened to one generation. we should generation as should regard that generation as having lucky rather having been very lucky rather than that being think. >> a huge disconnect, >> there's a huge disconnect, though, isn't there? because if

you've a normal you've just got like a normal average job, you might retire and be kind of okay. but then you have people and i'm you will have people and i'm sure will be getting sure some of you will be getting in you'll talking in touch now you'll be talking about different public about various different public sector jobs, final salary, pensions. no longer pensions. they're no longer a thing. days, people pensions. they're no longer a thingtalk days, people pensions. they're no longer a thingtalk about|ys, people pensions. they're no longer a thingtalk about gold people pensions. they're no longer a thingtalk about gold platedle will talk about gold plated pensions. will about pensions. people will talk about people getting let go from various and various public sector roles and then handed very generous then being handed very generous pensions . in the meantime, your pensions. in the meantime, your long term sick, particularly over 50. we debated this on friday, actually, about whether or be harder for or not it should be harder for people to be able to claim long term sickness benefit. now that the world of work is kind of changing and you can do different kind of jobs. and i've got really interesting reaction as from both the panel and as well from both the panel and the viewers. there wasn't like a huge of support. don't huge amount of support. i don't think, of changing some think, for kind of changing some of the frameworks around those benefits , which i thought was interesting. >> if you are sick like i mean, it is really difficult. it's really easy, you know, for, for us three to sort of talk about working forever. and i'm a lot older than you to and like alex,

you know i won't retire work will work will dry up but actually if you're sick and there are all sorts of there are all sorts of illnesses that come on to then say oh, but you can do this and you can't do this. i mean, you know, what about the people who are waiting for hip, hip, hip and knee replacements and can barely move now and then they then then all sorts of things. >> there's that saying, isn't there one of the best cures for sickness is working. freelance does that still apply? i don't know. touch. know. you get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.com is how you get hold of me. i want to talk about prisons in a couple of minutes and whether or not there should people country should be people in this country that basically just in that are basically just in limbo. don't know whether limbo. they don't know whether or ever get out of or not they'll ever get out of prison. i'm not talking about your whole life terms and your whole tariffs by the way. whole life tariffs by the way. this not we'll get into this is not that we'll get into that helpfully alex that debate. and helpfully alex dean

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, i've got the pr consultant, alex dean and the pr consultant, alex dean and the former labour advisor scarlett mccgwire. you guys, many of you are furious and i won't mind, but you're furious with me. feel. i know. with me. i feel. i know. >> i just assumed you as me. no you're not always kick off at a time. >> gillian keegan. i'm getting the blame tonight. angry paul that's what he calls himself . that's what he calls himself. for heaven's sake, will you stop all of this about pensioners ? all of this about pensioners? we've earned every single penny. we've earned every single penny. we've contributed. you won't be happy, michelle, until they all starve to death in five layers of blankets in front of a single bar fire. that's a bit harsh. what have i said ? burton says. what have i said? burton says. will you leave us alone? you're at it again, michelle, stop it. it was me. susan says no, we do not need to raise the pension age. i'm a waspi woman. and these extra six years were difficult. lots of you say, michelle, will you stop it with this conversation? it's not me.

i'm merely commenting upon the news agenda . i don't even think news agenda. i don't even think i've ever expressed a massive view either way. i don't want anyone, particularly not a pensioner, who has grafted their whole life. i certainly don't want to struggle . so if want you guys to struggle. so if you're going to blame anyone tonight, i think alex. tonight, i think blame alex. it's him that's saying that people work completely people should work completely unrealistic life expectancy up and and not see the and up and not see the retirement age change. yeah. there you go. alex dean, direct your anger at him, not dean. >> has an alien. there >> and dean has an alien. there you him. you go. look at him. >> see? he's giving you his twitter handle and everything. you know what's one more you know what's just one more thing. talk about prison, thing. let's talk about prison, shall these things called thing. let's talk about prison, shal basically se things called thing. let's talk about prison, shal basically imprisonmented thing. let's talk about prison, shal basically imprisonment for ips, basically imprisonment for pubuc ips, basically imprisonment for public orders. these public protection orders. these things been widely things have been widely discredited england and discredited across england and wales. they were abolished. in fact, in 2012, but not retrospectively. so you've still got thousands of people basically in prison that have no idea whether or not they will ever be let out and when. yeah because you get an indeterminate life sentence, right? >> so the point about this offence is for me is that

whatever, unless you get a whole life tariff for something like lucy letby did, you should there should be certainty about what your punishment is going to be and these offences as which were punished with imprisonment for pubuc punished with imprisonment for public protection vary quite relatively widely. it was whilst i was in practise that they were brought into being. but the point is that the majority of people being recalled to prison underneath under these orders are not because they've re—offend id, it's because they've done things like mis appointments with their probation officers, because they've failed to register their whereabouts or they've even gone to their gp and said this is what i'm thinking about at the moment. i'm going to relapsing onto drugs again and i need some help. and they wind up getting recalled to prison and at that point no framework to point there's no framework to say be taken out say when you'll be taken out again. so for me, the answer, i'm is obvious. we're i'm afraid, is obvious. we're only talking about a few. i don't mean be flippant. don't mean to be flippant. there's thousand people there's a few thousand people who relatively serious

there's a few thousand people who serious relatively serious there's a few thousand people who serious crimes ely serious there's a few thousand people who serious crimes when rious there's a few thousand people who serious crimes when they to very serious crimes when they were first convicted, but everyone certainty were first convicted, but everycthe certainty were first convicted, but everycthe law. certainty were first convicted, but everycthe law. ce are 1ty were first convicted, but everycthe law. ce are their under the law. those are their sentences be scrapped. sentences should be scrapped. after believe in after all, we don't believe in them you know, we're not them now. you know, we're not passing any more of things passing any more of these things out. of out. it's a fixed number of people, about 3000. so what would you then? people, about 3000. so what wotso you then? people, about 3000. so what wotso you're then? people, about 3000. so what woiso you're saying people, about 3000. so what wotso you're saying you'd scrap >> so you're saying you'd scrap the do what? let the sentences and do what? let them out? >> no, no. them out? >> you no. them out? >> you scrap. many of them are in the community right now. right. they face for right. but they face forever for the rest their lives. the the rest of their lives. the prospect of being recalled to prison wholly different prison in a way wholly different to committing the offences. >> so would you get rid of that? >> so would you get rid of that? >> so would you get rid of that? >> so i would i would scrap the outstanding public outstanding indefinite public protection outstanding indefinite public protethem a stated determinate give them a stated determinate sentence a length of sentence that is a length of time and almost all of will time and almost all of them will have served it right once. have served it right for once. >> absolutely agree with with >> i absolutely agree with with alex. i mean, it just it was a terrible thing to bring in. it was of it sort of lazy. was sort of it was sort of lazy. it was it was it was trying to say, oh, yeah, we'll let people stay prison and we'll stay in prison and then we'll bnng stay in prison and then we'll bring back whenever we bring them back whenever we want. and it was badly thought through. when through. it was then. and when actually stopped, it actually it was stopped, it should been stopped. retrospective >> couldn't agree and

>> we couldn't agree more. and one be aware of, and it one thing to be aware of, and it happens with like happens with things like dangerous two, when all dangerous dogs act two, when all the parties facing the political parties in facing an news they all say, an big news story, they all say, oh, we're doing the right thing. we're together. we're all clubbing together. this political. we this isn't part of political. we all and think. yes, all agree. pause and think. yes, almost terrible law. almost always get terrible law. >> hang on a second, >> yeah, but hang on a second, because i will i will speak out in defence because surely it sounds sensible that sounds quite sensible that you've person you know, you've got some person you know, they're the they're not the worst of the west else would be in west or else they would be in there and they're not coming out. so you've that box, out. so you've tick that box, but isn't a little bit of flexibility thing? flexibility a good thing? >> because >> no, because why? >> no, because why? >> because gives the gives >> because it gives the gives a coercive power and it gives an arbitrary power to a state which should because should never, because of its ability imprison ability to imprison and punishment, you punishment, punish. you have such abilities. the state's power and power should be limited and transparent that the ipp is the reverse of that. it's unlimited and completely opaque. >> and what's really important about it is it's not about breaking the law. so if these people come out of prison and they break the law, then they can go back, they can go back to prison , that's fine. but this

prison, that's fine. but this isn't about breaking the law. this is about breaking the terms of their release. that can be incredibly i mean, as alex said, i mean, somebody was sent back to prison for telling his gp that he was thinking about going back onto illegal drugs . i mean, back onto illegal drugs. i mean, this is absolutely you cannot do it. and these i mean, the thing about prison , most people in about prison, most people in prison, but there is an alternate argument, isn't there? >> maybe try staying on the straight and narrow. >> hang on, hang but he >> hang on, hang on. no, but he did. did. did. he did. >> but is an example of the >> but that is an example of the flexibility which you say you want in the end, if you want because in the end, if you if you say, i just want give if you say, i just want to give open flexibility to people open ended flexibility to people with others, in the with power over others, in the end, will inevitably get an end, you will inevitably get an example you disapprove of. example that you disapprove of. and i presume you think and i presume you don't think gps a position gps should be put in a position where going to where they think, i'm going to shop patient as required shop my patient as required under law, which is going to see them you them go back? unless you want a kind of stasi state, see them go back into prison. >> there are certain professionals have professionals that do have to engage criminal services. >> i don't know whether you might a might be a you might be a counsellor then got counsellor and then you've got your patient.

>> we're not we're not talking about somebody says, i've about somebody who says, i've got confess, back got to confess, i'm back on heroin, know, i'm having heroin, you know, and i'm having to do it. we're talking to steal to do it. we're talking about somebody who went his about somebody who went to his gp and said, i'm so depressed that i'm thinking going back that i'm thinking of going back to actually see the to drugs. actually see what the gp should done was was was gp should have done was was was put send him to counselling and deal with it that way, not say, oh god, he's broken his terms of probation. he goes back . i think probation. he goes back. i think it's really, really important that people and the fact that we understand that this is a terrible law just because these people were unlucky enough to be donein people were unlucky enough to be done in that at the time period of time, just michelle, the moral of the story is everyone just behave yourself. >> oh, come on. >>— >> oh, come on. >> look, come on, be be clear. the majority of people recalled under these sentences have under these old sentences have committed new offence. committed no new offence. >> yes, well, you know what? >> yes, well, you know what? >> very important the final say on it and says michelle, just to say that alex reid has a great laugh and it makes me feel cheery great thing cheery and it's a great thing today. immediately then

today. she immediately then followed up and said, by the way, i do know that he is called alex dean and said, i think alex reid, that was reid, any of that one that was like cage fighter married to like a cage fighter married to is with cage is that i get confused with cage fighters the time. fighters all the time. >> i see you can see natural. you can see why it's happening. obviously he's macho. you can see why it's happening. ob\daryl' he's macho. you can see why it's happening. ob\daryl says, macho. you can see why it's happening. ob\daryl says, michelle, >> daryl says, michelle, please, can the article in can you discuss the article in the telegraph today? >> all about children turning up to dirty teachers to school dirty and teachers having launder clothes. having to launder their clothes. apparently about apparently it's all about hygiene, poverty, he says. it's surely hygiene, surely not about hygiene, poverty, about bad poverty, but surely about bad parenting. please, can you debate that's bad debate that? that's not a bad subject that daryl. but look at the time. it when you're the time. it flies when you're having that is one for having fun. so that is one for another day. thank you for watching tonight. anyway, look, scarlett, we've got scarlett, that's all we've got time you for your time for. thank you for your company. thank alex. thank company. thank you, alex. thank you alex dean, not alex you as well. alex dean, not alex reid. for reid. anyway thank you for keeping company at home as keeping us company at home as well. good nigel well. have a good night. nigel farage is up next. >> temperature's rising boxt >> the temperature's rising boxt solar probe proud sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello . good evening. as we >> hello. good evening. as we head into tuesday , there will be

head into tuesday, there will be a little bit of fog around tonight, right? whilst in the south—west we can expect some strong blustery winds. but the hot and sunny weather returns as we go through tomorrow because of this area of high pressure dominating picture across dominating the picture across the leading to largely the uk, leading to largely settled weather dragging hot settled weather and dragging hot air the south. air in from the south. meanwhile, looking the meanwhile, looking at the details through monday night, there across the far there is a front across the far north scotland bringing some north of scotland bringing some cloud and rain to shetland. elsewhere, largely dry picture elsewhere, a largely dry picture , some mist and , clear skies, but some mist and fog patches developing particularly the north particularly towards the north and the east. windier in the south—west. but many places seeing temperatures not dropping a amount, generally staying a huge amount, generally staying the to high teens celsius. the mid to high teens celsius. so warm night come . so quite a warm night to come. bright start on tuesday morning. any and fog should quickly any mist and fog should quickly clear then we do have clear away and then we do have that front i mentioned earlier, gradually pushing its way further southwards. so turning gradually pushing its way funcloudier,1wards. so turning gradually pushing its way funcloudier, a ards. so turning gradually pushing its way funcloudier, a bits. so turning gradually pushing its way funcloudier, a bit damp,|rning bit cloudier, a bit damp, perhaps for orkney in the far north of mainland scotland. elsewhere across the uk, lots of fine sunny weather, plenty of blue temperatures blue skies and temperatures could touch higher than could be a touch higher than today so around today for some. so highs around 31 staying quite windy

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gb news. >> good evening. the kits from over a hundred schools did not go back today because the concrete is dangerous and it may collapse on them. we'll ask tonight who is to blame? is it rishi sunak? is it the labor party? it decisions taken way party? is it decisions taken way back in the 1950s? tomorrow the commons debates the energy bill.

we have an interview tonight with chris packham, environmental campaigner. some may he'll us may say fanatic. he'll tell us why by covering the palace of westminster in solar panels may just save the world. and for council tax payers everywhere . council tax payers everywhere. did you know that you are funding in many cases lots and lots of people who are working, not just from home but actually living abroad and working for your local council? what can be done about that? but before we get to those subjects, let's get the news with ray addison . the news with ray addison. thanks, nigel. >> our top stories this hour, the education secretary has confirmed a list of schools affected by the concrete crisis will be published this week. it comes after gillian keegan was heard expressing her frustration at the situation in an unusually frank expletive ridden hot mic moment . moment. >> does anyone ever say , you

>> does anyone ever say, you know what, you've done a good