we also have an exclusive point.7 we also have an exclusive interview with a blade runner, somebody who was going around vandalising a huge number of ulez cameras. we'll find out his motivations and ask the moral question. is what they're doing right or wrong .7 and it's not right or wrong? and it's not just coming home. it's come home. we've just won the world cup at football . you don't know cup at football. you don't know what it's about. you'll find out later on in this show. but before all of that, let's get the news with our karen armstrong . armstrong. >> very good evening to you. i'm karen armstrong in the newsroom. i'm the mayor of the west midlands . says the financial midlands. says the financial issues affecting birmingham city council deeply concerning. council are deeply concerning. and the people there deserve so much better. europe's largest local authorities declared its effectively bankrupt due to a £760 million bill for equal pay claims. the conservative mayor, andy street, says it raises concerns about the way the labour led council has been run.

all new spending, with the exception of vital services and protecting vulnerable people, will stop immediately. the government is to relax planning permission for new onshore wind farms. the changes which come into force immediately mean communities can apply to their local authority to have turbines built . local authority to have turbines built. communities may also benefit from cheaper energy. the government hopes the new rules will help avoid a potential rebellion from some of its backbench peers. the shadow energy secretary , ed miliband, energy secretary, ed miliband, says reluctance to build more wind farms has led to higher energy costs . energy costs. >> the government is being held to ransom by a bunch of tory backbenchers who since 2015 have stopped onshore wind being built in england and that has raised bills for families by £180 for every family in britain, we're going through a cost of living crisis. surely now those in st giles' those conservative mps can see that it's much better to have onshore wind built and cut bills for families .

bills for families. >> the schools minister says the government has been very proactive in dealing with the concrete crisis and has been issuing guidance since 2018. more than 100 schools in england and 33in scotland are at risk of collapse due to aerated concrete. other public buildings have also been closed , including have also been closed, including a theatre in dartford. both gillian keegan and the prime minister, rishi sunak, are under growing pressure over the issue , laughing gas will be banned and those caught in possession of the drug will face unlimited fines or up to two years in jail. new measures is expected to be introduced this year. we'll tougher penalties we'll also see tougher penalties for the supply and production of the drug. it's been linked to antisocial behaviour with heavy use possibly leading to anaemia , nerve damage or paralysis. it's ten people have been taken to hospital after a bus collided with a car on the cleddau bridge in pembrokeshire in west wales. one of the drivers was trapped and had to be freed by

firefighters and was then subsequently evacuated by air ambulance . and spain's football ambulance. and spain's football federation has sacked jorge vilda, the coach of its winning world cup women's team .vilda world cup women's team. vilda was the only member of the coaching staff not to stand down in protest after the midfielder jenni hermoso was kissed on the lips by federation president luis rubiales . this is gb news luis rubiales. this is gb news live across the uk. i'll be back with more in just under an hours with more in just under an hour's time. but now it's over to . nigel to. nigel >> good evening. well a term time has begun. there is no rac concrete in westminster yet the kids are all back at school and they're busy. yesterday is a really big day. it's the third reading of the energy bill. now this is all about us becoming compliant with our net zero targets and a very major push

for renewables. in particular, the emphasis being with onshore wind . and you might have seen ed wind. and you might have seen ed miliband in that clip on the news a moment ago and the government saying, look, we've got to stop this ban. we must build more onshore wind. there are two things going on here. one is the continued cult of net zero that the uk must be a world leader. we must get to net zero more quickly than any other developed country. the second is the continued belief that renewable energy is plentiful, free and cheap, which frankly , free and cheap, which frankly, it has never, ever been. and ed, goodness knows how many times on this programme we've been through the problems of intermittent ac and the need to backit intermittent ac and the need to back it all up, let alone the fact that cost wise it just doesn't work without subsidy. but there's something else going on in this bill which i believe to be far more sinister and frankly , even though

frankly, even though parliament's just come back, i am totally astonished at the lack of media debate and coverage . we'll find out later coverage. we'll find out later on this evening what amendments have passed and what haven't. so we'll know the actual shape of this legislation before it heads to the house of lords . this legislation before it heads to the house of lords. but this legislation before it heads to the house of lords . but there to the house of lords. but there are unbelievably , it seems to are unbelievably, it seems to me, provision is in this bill that would allow for the creation of criminal offences . creation of criminal offences. i'm going to repeat that allow for the creation of criminal offences. if businesses. and here's the rub . if individual here's the rub. if individual householders don't tell the truth or don't meet up to new energy requirements for their houses , as it seems to me to be houses, as it seems to me to be truly and utterly extraordinary, yes, you could be prosecuted for providing false information about your house's energy

efficiency or for the obstruction of an enforcement authority . this takes us down authority. this takes us down the direction where we will all have to have metres metres for water, metres for gas, metres for electricity. i'm still fighting like crazy against thames water . who keeps sending thames water. who keeps sending me these? you must now give us a date to come and pick your water metre. i don't want one. they now tell me my bills will be higher unless i comply. but i can see with this legislation all of this will become mandatory . what it represents to mandatory. what it represents to me is yet another potential massive expansion of the state and its power over our lives. and yet it is getting so little debate should the government be able to have these powers? i don't believe they should . let don't believe they should. let me know your thoughts . farage at me know your thoughts. farage at gbnews.com. lois perry is a

campaigner and director of car 26. lois, i guess in a sense this bill coming back today , as this bill coming back today, as i say, the summer hols are over . yeah. the sun shining. yeah been almost no pre coverage of this debate at all. >> well there wouldn't be any pre coverage would there because the mainstream media are ushering in the whole net zero agenda. but the net zero agenda is not about net zero and it's nothing with being green. nothing to do with being green. it's about, as you correctly stated just now, power grab, stated just now, a power grab, more control and having more state control and having less and less jurisdiction over our lives. and don't forget, if everything smart metered, which one of the bits in the legislation there would, you know, would account for , you know, would account for, you won't able to say to won't be able to say no to a smart metre. and what does a smart metre. and what does a smart metre. and what does a smart metre means that smart metre mean? it means that your electricity , means your electricity, it means your life remotely controlled in life is remotely controlled in exactly the same way as a digital currency or whatever. you can have your you know, if you do a social media post, you can be switched off. you can have your hot water switched off

remotely. i don't want to go down any conspiracy avenues, but this and the this is really scary and the government secondary government using secondary legislation to actually bring in criminal offences, that means a minister can go into the go into work. one morning and make an offence, make up an offence, no scrutiny of parliament? no. no. going through the house of lords. it's like covid i think they got a bit power hungry dunng they got a bit power hungry during covid. >> you're a campaigner, you've got organisation. yeah. the got an organisation. yeah. the very idea that a minister could go for secondary legislation to create criminal offences, it strikes me as being fundamental unconstitutional. >> it's orwellian against the way we do things. >> yeah . is there not, not a >> yeah. is there not, not a network of people and organisations who could legally challenge this? yeah i do believe there is. >> and the thing is can you believe, nigel, that this has been brought in by conservative government? i mean, you know, well conservative in name anyway . i mean imagine what labour party will do with this. you

know, they, they're communist. >> i'm not sure the labour party would be any different to this that you could literally. >> but i think at the moment we've got a situation where the people the people think, oh okay, the tories but labour would tories are bad, but labour would be worse. i think that's the only that the tories only thing that the tories have got their at the got in their favour at the moment. no, you're right, it moment. but no, you're right, it could challenged. but could be legally challenged. but who's legally challenge who's going to legally challenge it when all this esg stuff is going you've going on? when you've got companies they challenge companies who, if they challenge anything or do anything, even advertising on the wrong tv station, you know, that they can lose ability to, you know, lose their ability to, you know, borrow the market. but borrow money on the market. but many lois, that we many would say, lois, that we face a climate emergency that many would say we don't well know. >> but many would say that we were thousands were okay and thousands of scientists out to scientists can be ruled out to say this and that. it's our responsibility morally to lead the world in this , that we do the world in this, that we do this first and others will follow . follow. >> it's nonsense. all of the china, india, africa, all of those countries are not taking a blind bit of notice of this. even if you believe in the whole c02 even if you believe in the whole co2 style of causing, you know,

manmade climate. do you not believe in it? >> no. >> no. >> no. >> no at all. but no, i don't. i don't. because if you actually look history, there's look throughout history, there's been where co2 levels been periods where co2 levels have been higher and the temperature been lower and temperature has been lower and also there's been periods in history where we've been much hotter than are when hotter than we are today when there was such thing the there was no such thing as the industrial or but industrial revolution or but that's my personal belief, which i'm to. but more and i'm entitled to. but more and more nowadays, you're not entitled to have any personal beliefs or personal opinions. but even if you do buy into the whole narrative of, yeah, it's completely nonsensical, we make up less than 1% of global emissions. none of the other big countries, all continents are doing this . this is about the doing this. this is about the deindustrialisation of the west. that's all it is. deindustrialisation of the west. that's all it is . that's all that's all it is. that's all it's about. it really, really is. >> but we're told green jobs , >> but we're told green jobs, green growth. ed miliband, you saw him on the news. >> ed miliband, cheap energy, loads of green jobs. >> this is what we're told. there is a broad cross—party consensus on this. oh, yes. the house of commons.

>> no, there is, because there's a there's a globalist agenda industrialised the west. and to create what i believe is a neo—marxist state, i really , neo—marxist state, i really, really do. and i think they use covid and they say power corrupts and absolute power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely . they corrupts absolutely. they they're a bit oh my god, we haven't got covid anymore . haven't got covid anymore. right. okay. climate emergency. they want to be able the ministers to come into work one morning, create a law and it be enacted. the next day. why? because it's absolute power corrupts absolutely . corrupts absolutely. >> you may be right. lois perry, thank you. now, you may agree or disagree with what lois said there. i am agnostic , completely there. i am agnostic, completely agnostic on whether carbon dioxide , by the way, without dioxide, by the way, without which the world can't survive and plants can't grow. i'm completely agnostic on whether increase in levels of co2 put temperatures up or not. i simply don't know. my position is what we're doing in the name game of trying to get to net zero to

stop temperatures rising is actually self—defeating and being ignored, as lois did say , being ignored, as lois did say, by china. india indonesia and many, many others. well, joining me is a former member of parliament and former minister angela knight and, of course, former chief executive of energy uk , angela in your roles as uk, angela in your roles as economic secretary of the treasury and working in energy , treasury and working in energy, the first point i want to come to with you is this fundamental point about the relationship between government and the individual . as i say , we don't individual. as i say, we don't yet know the final shape of this legislature action until we see what the amendments are and how it's voted on. but to me, angela, the very idea that this legislation could give a minister the potential through secondary legislation to create criminal offences surely goes against everything we believe in regarding of the issue . regarding of the issue. >> yeah, it does. i mean, i

totally agree with you actually, nigel, and i think your last guest said, you know, or you said, well, who's going to, who's got something, who's got any locus on sorting this out? and the answer is it is the members of parliament. and i would have thought that the members of parliament actually would get to grips with something that is this draconian as it is being reported at the moment. and whilst there may be a in certain circumstances a case in certain circumstances to a backstop power for the to have a backstop power for the purposes of, i don't know, rogue landlords or something along those sorts of lines , what there those sorts of lines, what there doesn't seem to meet is , is it doesn't seem to meet is, is it right at all to say that you as an individual, unless you insulate your house more, we're going to find you a great amount of money that we used to have something called the nudge unit. do you remember the nudge unit? yeah, the nudge unit. it's called something else now, but the nudge unit was all about saying instead of doing the stick bit , do the carrots get stick bit, do the carrots get people to act in enlightened

self—interest ? and that was what self—interest? and that was what the nudge unit is about. and that's what should be used , used that's what should be used, used in the case of us all being , um, in the case of us all being, um, better with our use of energy in the sense that we don't leave all the lights on. you know, we do do a bit more insulation. we basically act in a little bit more responsible way. that's what's required, not draconian powers. i don't agree with them. anything anyway, and i sincerely hope there's enough members of parliament who now it has parliament there who now it has been flagged up . wake up, smell been flagged up. wake up, smell the roses and know they've got to some changes. to make some changes. >> i'm with you, >> yeah, i mean, i'm with you, angela. rogue angela. i think for rogue landlords, who own vast landlords, people who own vast amounts of property and let them . be people . yeah, there could be people lying and cheating on all of this and that. yes. fine the law needs to be enforced. the very thought that it could apply to private residences is beyond me . but isn't the fact that it's even on the fact that it's even being put on the table? as i say, i repeat, we don't yet know the final shape. yeah. doesn't it doesn't it just show since

your time in parliament the extent to which we're moving into a period of big government i >> -- >> and again, i think that that is something that certainly we have all felt for some time that more and more is of government is intruding into lives in a way that really should not be the case.i that really should not be the case. i appreciate that covid has just been mentioned and the pandemic and the lockdown and all those sorts of things. and yes, i think many of us did find that whilst very important points were made, especially at the when didn't know the start, when we didn't know what disease was. what on earth this disease was. but know , the medical but once you know, the medical science had got to grips to it, that telling us and ordering us to do x and not do y was a bit too far. i mean, i think that the energy bill to get back to the point in hand , shouldn't be the point in hand, shouldn't be talking about fining us. it should be talking about how are we to going fund small scale nuclear power, what are we going to about the grid? those to do about the grid? all those other things, nigel, are other things, nigel, which are so important if we're going to

do well, i think we ought to do and make ourselves more and that is make ourselves more energy secure or more sustainable generally, and be careful generally on our environment, on our waste, because it's a world that we want to pass to on our children and grandchildren. and many more generations. excuse me. and that isn't a question of am i a net zero? yes or am i a net zero? no i think i'm common sense. i think i sit in the reasonable category of wanting to do the right thing , but not having right thing, but not having criminal legislation put at the back of me and i'm losing my voice . voice. >> i know. well, i i'll give you a couple of moments off by asking you a final thought and question. if you can recover in time and hope you can. and the will you be pleased ? angela, if will you be pleased? angela, if you look out of your window in rural england and see a great big , huge onshore wind farm, is big, huge onshore wind farm, is that the right direction for us to be going in? because it seems outside of the authority korean

stuff, that's the big push , the stuff, that's the big push, the big change that's coming today do onshore wind farms work. great big ones? >> no, i wouldn't like to see it if i lived in a community. a village. you've got some hills . village. you've got some hills. it doesn't intrude, particularly . and we get some serious benefits from it. and anybody who is badly affected gets compensated . you know, we have compensated. you know, we have compulsory purchase arrangements in the uk, long standing ones, because when people do get impacted by infrastructure , they impacted by infrastructure, they need to be bought out. so done on that way. then i'd say there is a future for them. okay. i don't agree with is carpeting our hills ? no. but if local our hills? no. but if local communities agree and it's done in that sensitive way, then it's a different kettle of fish altogether. well angela, i think altogether. well angela, i think a little wind turbine for home generation in rural areas might work , but these vast arrays on work, but these vast arrays on england's green and pleasant land i think are vile.

>> we'll agree on that one to disagree. but as ever, i'll thank you. thank you again. we agree on that one, nigel. >> we agree on that one. >> we agree on that one. >> okay. thank you for coming on the program, angela, as ever. in a moment, we have an exclusive interview with blade runner. interview with a blade runner. these are the people dedicated to vandalising the ulez cameras . in a moment, we'll find out the motivation of the man that we interview. and i'll ask you to have a think morally is what he's doing. it's outside the law. but is it morally right, right or wrong

radio. >> i asked you , should the >> i asked you, should the government have powers to make us criminals if we don't live up to their net zero expectations? your answers, i guess, fairly predictable . ron says this is an predictable. ron says this is an absolute disgrace. the whole green agenda is about power and

control and how long until we are fined for eating too much meat or going on holiday. too often ? well, ryan, once we have often? well, ryan, once we have a central bank digital currency, this will all become very easy for government. steve says most houses in this country have been built to the current building regulations as for huge unwanted bills, i just haven't got the money. looks like prison for a lot of pensioners. and finally, david says if we don't pay our tv licence , we'll go to court tv licence, we'll go to court and be prosecute and unable to pay and be prosecute and unable to pay council tax prison, enter the country illegally, you get put in a luxury hotel and given pocket money, say no to net zero prosecutions. david i don't think this will come to pass for me. and the reason i've debated it tonight , it is. i think it's it tonight, it is. i think it's outrageous that it's even been put on the table. now we are exactly one week to in the extension of the ulez zone . it extension of the ulez zone. it was this time last week we were

doing a live show from cudham right on the borders of kent county council and greater london, the furthest point from central london at which these cameras have been put. there was huge passion there . and one of huge passion there. and one of the things we touched on has been happening ever since is the sheer level of vandalism to the cameras. i am told that up to 800 cameras was have been vandalised. now, gb news is ray addison has conducted an exclusive interview with one of the most prominent blade runners as they're called. we have clearly kept the geography within london or greater london secret. we've disguised his voice, but it is a very interesting and very revealing interview. >> this is what one man can do to the ulez in less than half a day . day. >> some call them vigilantes, others criminals. they call themselves the ulez blade runners around 100 activists all using any means necessary to

disable cameras taking the fight against the london mayor's clean air policy to the streets. lee is part of a small group of saboteurs who go out most weeks speaking exclusively on camera to gb news, he says sadiq khan is targeting the city's most vulnerable to charge the poorest of people to drive around is unacceptable . unacceptable. >> mayor sadiq khan talks about the fact that nine out of ten of cars are compliant. if nine if nine cars out, ten are compliant, it who are the 1 in 10, the 1 in 10 are the poorest people , the ones who can't people, the ones who can't afford a compliant car. people, the ones who can't afford a compliant car . so afford a compliant car. so they're the ones you're charging. so therefore it's a tax on the poor. it's that simple. yeah. >> but the mayor of london disputes claim. disputes that claim. >> decision expand and >> the decision to expand and the ultra low emission zone to all london a difficult all of london was a difficult one. it wasn't an easy one, but i think a vital decision i think it's a vital decision andifs i think it's a vital decision and it's the right one. let me tell why we know the tell you why we now know the evidence in relation to the consequences of air pollution. it leads to around 4000

premature deaths a year. it leads to children having stunted lungs forever for adults with a whole host of health issues from asthma to cancer to mensa to heart disease, we also now know that one of the most effective ways to reduce air pollution is with us. how do we know that in central london we've seen a reduction of around 50% of toxicity . nitrogen dioxide also toxicity. nitrogen dioxide also a third fewer children being admitted to hospital with air pollution related illnesses. >> the blade runners are supported by an online community that maps the location of london's almost 2700 ulez cameras as the red pins show working units . the black ones working units. the black ones have been disabled . have been disabled. >> i would normally go around on the group to see posts or pictures of people that have put up with cameras, particularly the new ones. if they've just been put up near to where i live. and then, yeah, i'll literally make a note of that, jot that down and then i'll arrange a date as to when i'll

go out and i'll deal with that camera on that specific evening when, according to the met crimes relating to ulez cameras rocketed by 77% in august, lee says he's personally disabled. >> more than 60 cameras in the last year. he's developed his own technique , which bypasses own technique, which bypasses tfl's security measures in a matter of seconds . gb news has matter of seconds. gb news has decided not to show footage of the way the cameras might be disabled to avoid the risk of copycats. >> it's important to stress, of course, that what you're doing is illegal. >> do you consider yourself to be a criminal? >> i'm not. i'm not a criminal in any any way, shape or form. i'm you know, i'm just literally i'm you know, i'm just literally i'm doing what i believe is right. and i'll stand by that and i'll sit on that hill until the time comes when i'm not. no longer allowed to. >> although tfl says the ulez expansion will bring health benefits to a further 5 million people living in greater london, lee questions that justification , saying this has nothing to do with air pollution. >> you know, we've seen videos,

there's video evidence of people living in houses with black mould, mushrooms growing off the wall. so this notion that for thousand deaths a year from car pollution is utter nonsense , pollution is utter nonsense, other groups would strongly disagree . disagree. >> leo murray is director of innovation at possible the climate action group. >> basically, about half of the air pollution, the stuff that's in the air that is dangerous to human health in out in the environment, not inside our homes. about half of that comes from motor traffic. so you know, this is not in dispute. this is extremely well understood. science >> acas meanwhile, lee is adamant that the blade runners will not stop their sabotage. >> there's enough of us, myself included, where we're not going to give up. we're not going to give up until either all them cameras or or tfl and cameras are gone or or tfl and steve khan or the next mayor turns around and scraps or scraps. the idea completely. >> the transport for london spokesperson said the ulez is vital in tackling the triple

challenge of air pollution. the climate emergency and congestion vandalism on our network is unacceptable and all incidents are reported to the police for investigation . criminal damage investigation. criminal damage to ulez cameras puts the perpetrators at risk of prosecution and life changing injuries while simultaneously risking the safety of the public. risking the safety of the pubuc.the risking the safety of the public. the ulez is not about making money and annual net revenue from ulez will fall below zero by 20 2627 as compliance increases . ray compliance increases. ray addison gb news. >> well, a great piece of work there from ray addison. a very interesting interview. you got something of the motivation of the guy that is one of the most prominent runners in prominent blade runners in london. want to make it clear london. i want to make it clear that we as a station, as a channel, you know, don't condone lawbreaking in any way at all. but i must say, i was very surprised last week to see ian duncan smith, of all people, sir ian, saying he absolutely understood people in his understood why people in his part of outer london were doing

this to me . i part of outer london were doing this to me. i feel this is the biggest outbreak of lawlessness s we've seen in the country since poll tax and the riots back in 1990. there were some that say to me, well , this will that say to me, well, this will all go away before very long, but just have a look at this map and you'll see that is a live map of the damage you can see in black, the damaged cameras on the outskirts of london. this one week on and every day , one week on and every day, khan's ulez vans are going around putting up new cameras and they are being removed . i and they are being removed. i have a feeling that this campaign isn't going to stop any time soon. i don't think there's any stopping the blade runners quite where this ends. i don't know. but despite all the claims and by the way, as we gb news as

you saw both sides of the argument during that package, but the arguments that it reduces congestion, the ulez extension is clearly nonsense . extension is clearly nonsense. it's the idea that it helps air quality just doesn't hold . this quality just doesn't hold. this is a tax on the oldest, the poorest , the self—employed. it's poorest, the self—employed. it's the most iniquitous tax i've seen in my lifetime, and i cannot support that law breaking. but i can't wait to see ulez scrapped in a minute. it isn't just coming home. it's come home. did you know we just won the world cup at football? in a minute , i'll tell you

radio. on the back of the banking route i >> -- >> we've led the way as the channel for don't kill cash. and yes, we've had some very, very warm words coming from the chancellor, the city minister. but what's the reality of us being able to take out and deposit cash? well, today it was

treasury questions and david davis made this point. >> ray davis, the minister, just told my honourable friend that he's going to underwrite the statutory right to access the cash. but 6000 bank branches will by the end of will have closed by the end of the year, leaving 4000 in the year, leaving only 4000 in place. 15,000 atms have closed in last five years. how is in the last five years. how is he going to make sure this actually rather than actually happens rather than just an empty promise ? just an empty promise? >> minister, the fca have significant sanctions in respect of the closure of atms that would leave those communities without the right of free access to cash . to cash. >> in terms of the closure of bank branches, as we are seeing a very significant change. and i hope my honourable friend would respect the fact that technology is changing , respect the fact that technology is changing, consumer patterns are . during the recess, are changing. during the recess, i had the privilege of visiting the excellent community banking hub in brixham. i think that's a brilliant opportunity . there brilliant opportunity. there should be more than 100 on their way and it's my objective to. >> i'm joined by professor >> well, i'm joined by professor daniel hodson, former deputy

ceo, and for financial director of nationwide . and daniel, those of nationwide. and daniel, those just sheer numbers, but david davis put out there in the house of commons today since 2015, i mean, not long ago there were by the end of 2023 be 6000 bank closures and only 4000 remaining open. >> it's frightening. it's frightening. and it's one of those things which i suppose is a feature of the times , but it's a feature of the times, but it's one which i think can be taken slowly and carefully. it's quite interesting. my former employer, the nationwide , actually aren't the nationwide, actually aren't closing branches. they're keeping them open for another three years at least to see how it goes. and i think that's the right thing to do for a couple of reasons. one, because it's clear that people like cash. a lot people it's very lot of people use it. it's very important but also important issue. but also strangely enough, something which found . i was a director which i found. i was a director of the organisation that actually you found out what was going on in the market. we used to spend a or two a week to spend a day or two a week going around branches , talking going around branches, talking to very bright people, to people, very bright people, good absolutely.

good intel, good, absolutely. and the trouble is the banks have all become too diversified. now they're they they have too many things on their plate and they're not really concerned waiting particular on waiting on what particular on the side, on what the the retail side, on what the customers now the minister customers want. now the minister made point, andrew made a good point, andrew griffith, the hub concept. griffith, about the hub concept. >> . the idea that in one >> yes. the idea that in one building all the banks and building all the banks and building be building societies could be represented. yes. and you could put out cash, do put in cash, take out cash, do transfers, whatever it is. yeah. and yet, of the 77 hubs that have proposed , only seven have been proposed, only seven are open. only seven are open, which says to me that actually the big clearing banks aren't interested . interested. >> i'm afraid they're not. they've got lots of things they want to do and it's something that people like you can actually do something about. i think the issue which is lurking behind this is the use of cash and whether or not we ought to be able to use cash at all times in every place where we go to buy. now now we're in a world where digital things are taking over an and i suspect i know

there's a difference views about it that a retail digital pound will come a central bank digital currency they're employing people to work on it they are it will come i hope and pray that it will be limited in terms of its use, but it will be useful for, on the one hand, for people who aren't banked at the moment, who aren't banked at the moment, who might have the opportunity to as alternative. to use it as an alternative. >> think government can >> i think government can control and control everything we do, and that's . that's true exactly. >> and that's one of the other sides of it. of course, one of the things think, for the things if you think, for instance, buy, say, a instance, when you buy, say, a few gallons of petrol, you pay an awful lot of tax to the government. now you're not government. now if you're not buying petrol, does the buying petrol, how does the government well, government get the tax? well, it'll impose so it'll probably impose a toll. so when in your car, you'll when you get in your car, you'll be you'll taxed in effect, be you'll get taxed in effect, but for the number but digitally for the number of miles done. now, how are miles you've done. now, how are they do that? think of they going to do that? think of that in terms of they'll put a block, they'll put a black box in the car they'll the in the car or they'll take the money automatically. >> stop us going to >> they'll stop us going to marbella used up marbella because we've used up our to fight our carbon. i'm going to fight this blooming like this like blooming crazy, like blooming talking of

blooming crazy. and talking of banks, reported the ft banks, this reported the ft today. investor nation into today. the investor nation into what happened between me and natwest and coutts . apparently natwest and coutts. apparently travis smith , the city law firm travis smith, the city law firm who should have reported by the 8th of september now will not report for another couple of weeks. seems to me that with the farage row what they really want to make sure is that alison rose leaves with her £11 million and sir howard davies sees out his term the end may. term till the end of may. >> well, i'll i think that's very interesting to one very interesting and to me, one of the issues , nigel, is how of the key issues, nigel, is how much did the board and howard davies know ? davies know? >> well, i have put in a subject access request to natwest, which should have come back within 30 days, because days, i've been told, because it's won't come back it's complex, it won't come back to the end of october. >> i cannot believe having worked chairman a chief worked with chairman as a chief executive, that they weren't absolutely that in of absolutely like that in terms of what here and what was going on here and whether comes out not. whether that comes out or not. and told a lot of staff and i'm told that a lot of staff will actually be kept out from the public report remains to be seen. but it a shame seen. but it it's a shame because as my understanding was, it at end this week

it was due at the end this week at heaven knows when it's at and heaven knows when it's going now. they've going to be now. no they've kicked it the long grass, kicked it into the long grass, into the long grass. >> daniel hodson always great you join us let's hope you come and join us let's hope hodgson's wrong and we get hodgson's wrong and we don't get that central digital that central bank digital currency football the women currency now football the women got through and lost in the final of world cup. it was final of the world cup. it was 1966, the last time that our men's football team was in the world cup final and won. but something that happened last week that hasn't having a lot of coverage, maybe will as the coverage, but maybe will as the years go by, is the concept of walking football. now, paul carr is the founder and president of the federation of international walking football associations . walking football associations. pauli walking football associations. paul, i got to tell you , until paul, i got to tell you, until about 18 months ago, i didn't know anything about walking football. but i'm beginning to understand a lot of people of , understand a lot of people of, shall we say, mature years are taking part in walking football for the uninitiated, in a couple of seconds, tell us what it is .

of seconds, tell us what it is. >> thank you, nigel. yes it was invented in chesterfield 12 years ago, so it's still a very young sport. there's now 200,000 people playing it in england alone , and it's played in 70 alone, and it's played in 70 countries around the world. so basically it's a significant variation of football. the two key differences are it's aimed at the older generations and it's non—contact and you're not allowed to run, which is sometimes quite difficult for the older generation who are playing football and is it a competitive sport? >> is it a genuine competitive sport ? sport? >> it is. we had 19 nations, saint george's park, which is obviously the home of english football for 26 teams. we had over 50 group and over 60 group, and england won both . and it was and england won both. and it was it was fantastic tournament we were playing on the sir alf ramsey pitch, which was very apt given that he was the manager of the 66 team and all the players were brilliant and we won against france in one final and

we beat the czech republic in the other final. but everybody really enjoyed themselves and the england teams obviously are playing at this level. the majority of people playing, walking football just do it for fun and fitness and friendship. >> so we are the world cup winners of walking football for the over 50s and over 60s correct ? correct? >> yes, we are. and we're going to be doing a world cup for the over 70s probably next year. so we might get another one. wow. i think it's amazing. >> and you say it, paul, there are 200,000 active participants of walking football in this country. is this the next big growth sport for those of more mature years? i think it is, and it's really bigger than netball. >> it's probably bigger than a hockey. so it's a it's a bit of a secret because as you say, it hasn't had much media exposure. it's purely amateur at the moment. so that's one of the reasons, um , we would love to reasons, um, we would love to get more media exposure and thank having us on

thank you for having us on because we've been in some of the newspapers, but we've got all the, all the actions on, on the channel recast. so the streaming channel recast. so people can go and watch it. and it is entertaining. it might be a bunch of old guys running around around. around or walking around. hopefully . hopefully. >> and if someone's caught running, what will the ref do ? running, what will the ref do? >> they're going to get a free kick. and if they do three times they'll get sin bin for three minutes, right? >> well, paul carr, i have to say , you are the pioneer of a say, you are the pioneer of a sport . and any sport that has sport. and any sport that has 200,000 active participant ints is growing and has just won the world cup is very worthy, i think of being on gb news and thank you for joining think of being on gb news and thank you forjoining us and thank you for joining us and enlightening us and many, many congratulate us. well, there we are . we want a world cup at are. we want a world cup at football. how about that? had you ever heard of walking football before? i bet many of you actually , we hadn't. so you actually, we hadn't. so birmingham city council is, believe it or not, the biggest

council with the biggest budget. not just in the uk, but in the whole of europe. and today it effectively went bankrupt. what does that mean? the people of birmingham and other implications for other councils around the country, bearing in mind that just in the last year or so, thurrock and croydon went bust too. all of that in just a

well, if birmingham city council is effectively bankrupt, we need to find out the reasons why. and i wonder i just wonder what the reaction to all of this has been today. perhaps one of incredulity. i don't know . will incredulity. i don't know. will hollis is our gb news reporter who is there on the spot. will, what's going on and what are people saying ? people saying? >> yes. well, it was here today

earlier that birmingham city council declared the s—1 one for not this. and essentially, nigel, what that is, is the equivalent of a council waving a white flag and saying that our ship financially is sinking. they're calling on the government to help support the council as it can't quite balance its books . now, balance its books. now, ultimately, what this relates to is a massive £760 million black hole in the finances of birmingham city council. a labour run council, some of it is because of cost applications to do with its it system. that has meant that around £100 million of extra money has to be put towards that. but the main reason that this council is in so much debt relates to a 2012 ruling by the supreme court. now, essentially what that is , now, essentially what that is, is an equal pay claim . it means is an equal pay claim. it means that there was a problem with payments to men that weren't being given to women

specifically around bonuses in jobs at the council that were traditionally male dominated industries . traditionally male dominated industries. for traditionally male dominated industries . for example, traditionally male dominated industries. for example, bin men, whereas maybe teaching assistants who are part of a traditionally dominated female in industry weren't given the same opportunities. now that bill has really run up to the tune of around £650 million, and the council today is saying that they can't afford to pay for it, what that means is that they are going to continue paying for paying going to continue paying for paying for their statutory obugafions paying for their statutory obligations as adult health and social care, child services and education. however, things that are deemed to be non—essential services for example, cultural events will now be stripped away and that's s1 one for order means that they will be prevented from spending money on that kind of thing. now, i was in birmingham all day and we've been hearing from the people of the city and their reaction to the city and their reaction to the council effectively filing for bankruptcy . for bankruptcy. >> just a shock. it's just >> it's just a shock. it's just very surprising. it's all

very surprising. it's just all down to the management, i believe. anyway. so i'm quite shocked to hear this, knowing how council tax they take, how many council tax they take, amount of property they own in birmingham is one of the largest city council in europe. >> and i don't know , i'm just city council in europe. >> arii i don't know , i'm just city council in europe. >> ari heard 't know , i'm just city council in europe. >> ari heard this, )w , i'm just city council in europe. >> ari heard this, i'm i'm just city council in europe. >> ari heard this, i'm 50] just surprised. >> well, i'm very you know, i'm concerned naturally for the residents of birmingham and also people who are i mean, they're suffering financially at the moment. and i'm not surprised . moment. and i'm not surprised. and but after the commonwealth games and we were promised all that money and it's going to be great for the city, you know , great for the city, you know, what's happened. but i understand the reason why because of the pay demands . because of the pay demands. >> it'sjust because of the pay demands. >> it's just the way it is. and birmingham, isn't it. >> now the labour run council has said that this is necessary for it to get for it to get its financial affairs in order. but there's been a loud reaction from the conservative group here in birmingham saying that this

is embarrassing for the city. remember, it was only a year ago that the next ten years were described as a golden decade, particularly around the highlight that the commonwealth games brought to the west midlands. now, of course, those services are going to be slashed and it appears that a really tough time is coming for the people of birmingham city . people of birmingham city. >> yeah, i mean, well, i wonder with this equalities legislation if birmingham is in such a glue pot , if birmingham is in such a glue pot, i if birmingham is in such a glue pot , i wonder if birmingham is in such a glue pot, i wonder what the implications might be for other councils around the country. and that's not something you can answer. but i'm very, very thoughtful on it. but i do note, will, that one thing that birmingham city council have been very good at is choosing what they believe to be appropriate at street names for new developments such as equality , road diversity , grove, equality, road diversity, grove, destiny road, inspire avenue ,

destiny road, inspire avenue, respect way and human city. close is this perhaps a politically correct council that finds itself at odds with many of their electors and at odds with the way they've treated women? yes >> well, birmingham city, as one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the country, is very proud of that diversity . and it proud of that diversity. and it has been, as you say , has been, as you say, introducing all sorts of things that might emphasise this, that. so i think equality in this sense is something that the council is striving for. but in particular to the pay claims and the bonuses were specifically for male dominated industries. you won't necessarily see this in other councils because it seems to be a decision that was made by birmingham city council to offer these bonuses in this way . the supreme court ruled and way. the supreme court ruled and ordered for the council to make these payments . but the cost is

these payments. but the cost is really spiralling out of control, which is why we see this as 114 order today. and it's actually going up every single month , nigel, by £14 single month, nigel, by £14 million that the council is going to have to pay back, adding to the tremendous amount that it already has, three quarters of £1 billion. >> will this extra ordinary stuff. thank you for giving us that live report outside the town hall in birmingham . isn't town hall in birmingham. isn't devolution a funny old thing ? devolution a funny old thing? you've got a labour run birmingham council, a conservative mayor. it's all a mess now. we began the programme talking. i think, with some passion about the energy bill which has been before the house of commons today. hundreds of amendments, but whittled down, i believe, to far fewer votes. well, who better? who better than a man who was arrived here? hot foot? i would say out of breath. but he's far too cool to ever appear to be out of breath. it's not really his style, but of course, the former energy minister, jacob, briefed us what has been going on. really odd . has been going on. really odd. you know, the house of commons

comes back, term begins is a very important piece of legislation often and almost nothing in terms in terms of pubuc nothing in terms in terms of public debate and we were given three hours in which to debate it, 174 pages of amendments. >> yes. so it was squeezed into the smallest amount of time. the government put on two very routine statements to take the time available down. and i was, as you point out, energy secretary, albeit very briefly, whilst i was i was trying to defang this bill. i knew it was a bad bill when it was my responsible committee, but i wasn't there long enough to be able stop it. what it does is able to stop it. what it does is it charges on people. it's £20 billion potentially for carbon capture sets up capture and storage. it sets up other ways to charge people and it gives the government the power to set a criminal offence with a maximum of one year in prison . if you get your energy prison. if you get your energy rating certificate wrong, how can this be happening in our country in a conservative government ? it and what's government? it and what's

particularly frustrating is that post oxbridge it seemed the noises coming out from downing street understood that this zealotry about net zero didn't win votes and wasn't going to be good for the economy. and yet here we are two days in. we have ploughed on with this dreadful piece of legislation. astonishing. i came. i hotfooted it to get here on time. i didn't i didn't wait for the result of the third reading vote you've given us. but very few will have voted against. you've given us a little snippet of what's to come in the next hour with jacob. >> how is this happening in our country? don't believe in country? why don't we believe in liberty anymore? well, the one good maybe is good thing is maybe tomorrow is another sunshine on another 12 hours of sunshine on the temperatures rising. >> boxt solar, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello again . as we go through >> hello again. as we go through the next 24 hours, some of us will have a bit of low cloud and fog overnight. but then it's the return of the hot sunshine tomorrow, albeit with the chance

of a few showers looking at the big picture you see high big picture and you can see high pressure dominating the weather across are going across the uk. but we are going to something of an easterly to have something of an easterly wind pushing its way and on wind pushing its way in and on that easterly, we're going to drag low cloud, some sea drag in some low cloud, some sea fog from the north sea, fog in from the north sea, affecting parts of affecting eastern parts of england eastern england and also eastern scotland where likely to scotland, where we're likely to see bit of drizzly rain see a little bit of drizzly rain overnight elsewhere further south skies, south and west, clear skies, a few pockets of mist and fog, though, temperatures though, and temperatures not dropping amount. some dropping a huge amount. some places staying above celsius. places staying above 20 celsius. tonight, tropical night for tonight, a tropical night for some, but a difficult night for sleeping. start. then sleeping. a cloudy start. then down the eastern side of the uk on wednesday. but that low cloud, that murk is going to quite quickly back towards quite quickly burn back towards the . for most of us, i say the coast. for most of us, i say for most because eastern for most because across eastern parts we're likely parts of scotland, we're likely to on to some of that low to hold on to some of that low cloud. otherwise, lots of sunshine but perhaps sunshine around, but perhaps a bit for some, bit cloudier for some, particularly across parts of northern at northern ireland. look at those temperatures, though, a little bit today , likely to bit higher than today, likely to see highs around 32 or 33 celsius into thursday . and celsius into thursday. and there's the chance of some heavy thundery showers making their

way northwards up the western side uk. more central and side of the uk. more central and eastern parts of the country are likely stay dry and sunny and likely to stay dry and sunny and temperatures are going to be similar to tomorrow. really again, likely to see highs of 32 or 33 before something perhaps cooler by the weekend . cooler by the weekend. >> the temperatures rising , a >> the temperatures rising, a boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on .

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