betrayal of brexit. others, though, saying it is an absolutely sensible step in eu uk relations . what says you.7 and uk relations. what says you? and it appears that it's even harder than ever to get on in the world when it comes to the haves and the have nots. social mobility is at its worst level in over a century . why? and should century. why? and should children be able to transition their gender at school ? it looks their gender at school? it looks likely that the government is about to u—turn on its recent position on that. we've got all of that and more. but before we get into it, let's get tonight's latest headlines . latest headlines. >> thanks, michel . our top >> thanks, michel. our top stories this evening. more than 150 counter—terrorist officers are working around the clock in an effort to locate escaped terror suspect daniel khalifa gb news. sources have confirmed that he's accused of spying for iran. speaking earlier today, the justice secretary said there will be an independent investigation into how he

escaped from wandsworth prison security checks are being tightened at ports and police have closed a stretch of the m20 in kent, despite the incident. the prime minister says there's been fewer prison escapes under a conservative government . a conservative government. >> there are something like 40,000 more prison officers than there were in 2017. and with regard to the labour party who posed the question again , the posed the question again, the facts show that during their 13 years in office, there were ten times the number of escaped prisoners than you've seen in the 13 years of conservative led government. but we're doing everything we can to find this person. and as i said, if anyone has any information, do has any information, please do contact the police. >> well, labour leader sir keir starmer questions that says starmer questions that he says the government is totally at fault . fault. >> i think we now know that we're already some pretty reports into wandsworth with issues about staffing , issues issues about staffing, issues about buildings, and that's a pattern of behaviour. now under this government, whether it's this government, whether it's this prison or other prisons or

other infrastructure across the country, and you know, it certainly hasn't helped that in the last ten years we've had ten. justice secretary and i know from my time as director of pubuc know from my time as director of public prosecutions just how important stability is when it comes to criminal justice. >> a police investigation is being launched into dozens of baby deaths and injuries at nottingham university hospitals. nhs trust . nottingham university hospitals. nhs trust. more than nottingham university hospitals. nhs trust . more than 1700 nhs trust. more than 1700 families were part of an independent review of maternity care at which was led by donna ockenden. the senior midwife led a similar investigation at the shrewsbury and telford hospital. nhs trust at network rail has admitted health and safety failings over a train crash that killed three people. the company did not warn the driver that the track near stonehaven was unsafe. back in august of 2020. the scotrail train derailed after hitting a landslide, then crashed into the side of a bndge crashed into the side of a bridge , causing carriages to bridge, causing carriages to

fall down an embankment. the train's driver, conductor and a passenger all died . a third man passenger all died. a third man has been arrested in connection with the suspected arson at the crooked house pub in staffordshire . the building, staffordshire. the building, which was known as britain's swankiest pub, was demolished soon after the fire last month. that caused widespread outrage. a 51 year old man from buckingham was questioned and released on condition of bail . released on condition of bail. the pm is facing another by—election following the resignation of his former deputy chief whip, chris pincher. the mp for tamworth made the decision after losing an appeal against an eight week suspension over groping allegations. in a statement, mr pincher said he didn't want unsafe certainty for his constituents . he sent his his constituents. he sent his resignation letter to the chancellor, jeremy hunt . chancellor, jeremy hunt. >> this was a situation that needed to be resolved and now we know the way forward and we will put forward a very strong

candidate from the conservative party who will help attract investor talent, jobs to staffordshire and to the wider region . and that's what we'll be region. and that's what we'll be campaigning on. >> well, as we've been hearing , >> well, as we've been hearing, the uk is rejoining the european union's £85 billion science research programme horizon. the move follows months of negotiations with a bespoke agreement signed off with the eu . researchers in the uk will be able to apply for grants to take part in horizon projects. that's until the programme ends in 2027. the uk had been excluded from the scheme because of a disagreement over the northern ireland protocol. the ryanair chief executive was hit with a surprise outside the european commission's headquarters in brussels. i love cream cakes. >> they're my favourite. okay. >> they're my favourite. okay. >> well, that's the moment that climate protesters pied michael o'leary shouting stop the pollution as he was getting ready to deliver a petition. 1.5 million people have signed the

document demanding flights be allowed to cross french skies dunng allowed to cross french skies during air traffic control strikes . ryanair during air traffic control strikes. ryanair claiming that it's one of the most efficient airlines because of the large number of passengers that it fits into its aircraft . and it's fits into its aircraft. and it's officially the hottest day of the year so far with temperatures topping 32.6 degrees in surrey this afternoon. the heat wave is also on the cusp of breaking the record for the longest consecutive streak of hot days above 30 degrees. the warm weather is expected to continue into the weekend with saturday forecast to reach a scorching 33 degrees. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get straight back to . michelle >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. what did you make of

that? michael o'leary thing? they're just being basically cream pied in the face. i don't have much time for michael o'leary, i've got to be honest. but whatever you think of him, that's a one side. you cannot just go running around doing that to an individual just because you disagree with them or dislike them or whatever. you asked me, it's assault . but i asked me, it's assault. but i also do worry as well. i think there are some quite double standards in our society because if that was two men that charged up a woman and did like that, up to a woman and did like that, i suspect that the police might be robustly looking into that. because repeat , it's because again, i repeat, it's a soul, isn't it? i don't know. you get in touch, you tell me. anyway i'm with you till seven alongside me. my martin alongside me. my panel, martin daubney, gb daubney, of course, a fellow gb news presenter and former brexit party michael walker , a party mep, and michael walker, a contributing editor at novara media. welcome, gentlemen . you media. welcome, gentlemen. you know the drill, don't you? it's not just about us three. it's very much about you at home very much about you guys at home as get in touch with me. as well. get in touch with me. vaiews@gbnews.com or you can tweet me at gb news. i also

noted in the headlines as well, chris pincher another by—election for the tories. they need that like a hole in the head, don't they? >> martin well, as brenda from bristol might say, not another one. >> brenda from bristol, yeah, i'd forgotten about her. michael yeah, mean the ninth yeah, i mean the ninth by—election for rishi sunak is pretty a pretty unlucky if you are a historically unpopular government, don't government, you don't really want of these by elections want all of these by elections one another. do not. one after another. you do not. but some might say it is good to see some accountability. taking place today marks a year place because today marks a year since a year long suspension for someone that was quite a prominent , i someone that was quite a prominent, i have to someone that was quite a prominent , i have to say, someone that was quite a prominent, i have to say, mp and a former chief whip for a very long time since the blair era , long time since the blair era, up until about 2021, nick brown has had a complaint made against him. we don't know the nature of the complaint. nick brown at the time reckons that he didn't even know the nature of the complaint against him, which i think is a bit weird. how can you not know what is being alleged against you anyway? long story short, he was as an was suspended, sits as an independent. updates from

independent. now no updates from the party, which has got the labour party, which has got some saying there some people saying that there should transparency politics. >> well, there's a culture, isn't there, of these protracted press and poor suspensions which seem go on forever then seem to go on forever and then there's no resolution or we don't really find out what it is or they're allowed to or anyway, they're allowed to carry job. we saw carry on with their job. we saw it with corbyn, we saw it with diane abbott. we've seen it with many. this one, i don't many. and with this one, i don't suppose ever find suppose we'll ever find out until they've decided that it will off, put will just be pensioned off, put out grass. he'll out to grass. he'll get a pension, he'll get a golden handshake. there's no real accountability. actually accountability. and actually it strikes of kind strikes me as of kind of indicative of symptomatic the indicative of symptomatic of the entire sector where entire public sector where we see in police force . it see this in the police force. it seems you can commit all kinds of goes through this of sins as it goes through this lengthy process. and lengthy inquiry process. and anyway, they still get a full payout if this was the private sector, they'd be out on their ear michael ear sharpish. michael >> well, i suppose i mean , i'm >> well, i suppose i mean, i'm not sure how much to say. it does seem a bit odd that it's been a year and we still don't know the nature of it. he's claiming he doesn't know the nature of it. i suppose i would

just dispute the idea that this doesn't happen in the private sector. want to in sector. now, i don't want to in any cast aspersions on what any way cast aspersions on what nick accused nick brown may have been accused of, of someone such as of, but think of someone such as harvey weinstein, right? that was working in was someone working in the private to get away private sector. got to get away with pretty things with some pretty awful things without consequences. with some pretty awful things withou�*epstein consequences. with some pretty awful things withou�*epstein well.equences. with some pretty awful things withou�*epstein well. now,1ces. jeffrey epstein as well. now, again, comparing the again, i'm not comparing the actions these men to these actions of these men to these most extreme examples. >> possible. >> no, but possible. >> no, but possible. >> it's relevant to >> but why? why it's relevant to use those incredibly extreme examples those men examples is because those men got with for decades, got away with it for decades, and was in the private and that was in the private sector. idea that this is sector. so the idea that this is something which is unique to the pubuc something which is unique to the public especially is public sector or especially is prevalent public sector, public sector or especially is pthink�*nt public sector, public sector or especially is pthink is public sector, public sector or especially is pthink is just public sector, public sector or especially is pthink is just nonsense. ector, i think is just nonsense. frankly, jackie says they're all to i don't think you're happy >> i don't think you're happy with any mps at moment. with any mps at the moment. you're the you're putting them all in the same bucket. don't know. same bucket. i don't know. i mean, if you'd accused of mean, if you'd been accused of doing would you want doing something, would you want the to know about it the nation to know all about it or you believe in innocent or do you believe in innocent until proven guilty ? if i'd done until proven guilty? if i'd done something wrong, quite frankly, i would there to be due i would want there to be due process applied then process applied and then consequences at the end of that. if indeed was found guilty. if indeed i was found guilty. anyway, look, britain is going

to rejoin the eu's science funding project. there's been a lot of conversation about this today. this is a scheme that you'll be familiar with that is known as the horizon scheme. lots of happiness in the scientist scientific community because now they will be able to apply for money and this fund is quite a massive fund actually, £81 billion is now now this scheme, it's going to cost us about 2.4, 2.6 billion there or thereabouts per year. and there are real divided opinions on this. some people saying, as i've just been describing, this is great for news cooperation. other people saying it's the first step, though, to uk first step, though, to the uk essentially going into the essentially going back into the eu. you reckon? eu. what do you reckon? >> it's a complete >> well, it's a complete betrayal as betrayal of brexit. it's as simple as that. the european union was voted out and its entirety. no ifs, no buts , no entirety. no ifs, no buts, no membership schemes. £15 billion to the eu is exactly the sort of thing 17.4 million people voted against. and it's a bad idea for other reasons because horizon isn't politically neutral . in

isn't politically neutral. in fact, its stated aims are in developing, supporting and implementing eu policies while tackling global challenges. we know that means climate change. it means net zero targets. so that means is that the types of research that will qualify for honzon research that will qualify for horizon within the uk will have to box tick eu directives and initiatives . that means to box tick eu directives and initiatives. that means being tied to the political direction of the eu and it gets worse because when we signed the cooperative agreement, the cooperation agreement, tnc back last year, part of that was tying us into the european defence fund, the army, the eu army is a part of this deal. do you remember nick clegg told us the european army was a dangerous fantasy ? it wasn't. it dangerous fantasy? it wasn't. it was a reality. it's a dangerous reality. it means military alignment. it means closer ties with brussels . it's everything with brussels. it's everything brexiteers voted against and it's back. it's policy . see keir it's back. it's policy. see keir starmer would be proud of why he has sunak done this. it's a remainer policy. it goes against

everything that people voted for to get brexit done in 2019. it's a betrayal of that vote and i cannot believe i just wonder what are the tories for ? this is what are the tories for? this is the labour policy coming in via sunak? >> well, we can ponder on that last point in a second, but michael, i mean it seems like a slight overreaction from you there. >> i think. i mean, the plan was always as far as i understand, to stay a part of horizon this scientific funding mechanism. so even johnson, when was even boris johnson, when he was bringing version bringing through his version of the withdrawal agreement, was in favour happened is favour of this. what happened is that the actually blocked us that the eu actually blocked us becoming a member because they that the eu actually blocked us bec0|unhappy ember because they that the eu actually blocked us bec0|unhappy about because they that the eu actually blocked us bec0|unhappy about the :ause they that the eu actually blocked us bec0|unhappy about the processay were unhappy about the process in northern ireland, because they we could they didn't think that we could guarantee a soft border. so the idea what boris idea that just doing what boris johnson wanted to do johnson already wanted to do now suddenly remain by the back suddenly is remain by the back doori suddenly is remain by the back door i think is a little bit odd. i also think sort of odd. i also think this sort of very vision of brexit very uncommon vision of brexit you have pretty unhelpful. you have is pretty unhelpful. i mean, i really don't think it is the case that when the majority of the british population voted for brexit, they really wanted to make sure that british scientists couldn't collaborate

with european scientists. that's not voted . not why people voted. >> what people clear vote to leave orbit brussels. leave the orbit of brussels. there's no ifs or buts. that's what the big the big illusion that the lie , the remainer lie that the lie, the remainer lie that the lie, the remainer lie that there was certain bits that the voters wanted to keep. we were lied to about the slogans on buses is a complete myth. people want to be separated. a clean break. brexit and back. you're right. boris's brexit was clean break. brexit and back. y(brexit ght. boris's brexit was clean break. brexit and back. y(brexit int. boris's brexit was clean break. brexit and back. y(brexit in name s's brexit was clean break. brexit and back. y(brexit in name only. exit was clean break. brexit and back. y(brexit in name only. as: was clean break. brexit and back. y(brexit in name only. as far|s clean break. brexit and back. y(brexit in name only. as far as a brexit in name only. as far as i'm concerned. it left. it left the cat flap open on trade, on on northern ireland, on horizon. and here we are. >> do you want any >> do you not want any cooperation at all? >> is we can >> what i'm saying is we can cooperate with pioneers around the world. india you know, countries like india, usa countries like india, the usa and i. there are huge potential out there. we can we can still trade with the eu . in fact, trade with the eu. in fact, imports and exports are up since brexit. the fact of the matter is you've got to pay £15 billion to be a part of this gang. so researching with europe is a great idea, but the eu is charging us £15 billion to do it. that is an expensive club

that we voted to leave . that we voted to leave. >> so i mean there are certain aspects of cooperation with the eu where you would have to give up, give, give away a large degree of sovereignty. so for example, joining the single market or joining customs market or joining the customs union, able union, yes. you wouldn't be able to go make your own trade to go and make your own trade deals with india. how deals with india. now, how strong we are as a strong a position we are as a small country make trade small country to make trade deals sort of huge deals with sort of huge economies a separate economies is a separate question. don't think question. but here i don't think there's a british there's any reason why a british scientist cooperate with scientist can't cooperate with an indian scientist because other british scientists are getting funded via the horizon mechanism. getting funded via the horizon mechanisicould some scientists could do some projects by and projects funded by horizon and some projects in cooperation with indian scientists. it doesn't sense that doesn't make any sense that there zero sum we could there is this zero sum we could and should be doing those deals with countries. and should be doing those deals witilike countries. and should be doing those deals witilike why countries. and should be doing those deals witilike why both?1ntries. >> like why not both? but because because there's 15 because. because there's 15 billion reasons why got to billion reasons why we've got to pay billion reasons why we've got to pay membership. we're going pay membership. but we're going to back as put to get as much back as we put in. >> mean, obviously, britain is >> i mean, obviously, britain is a bit of a science superpower. >> you're talking about what's being called the underperformance being called the und

sigruk antly less money than uk scientist receive sigruk puts less money than uk scientist receive sigruk puts into money than uk scientist receive sigruk puts into the ney than uk scientist receive sigruk puts into the program . the uk puts into the program. >> now what that means, what you get back, what you pay in. so what's the point joining? and what's the point of joining? and we could spend £15 billion surely better way, forging surely in a better way, forging closer emerging closer ties with the emerging economies such india? i mean, closer ties with the emerging econdo ies such india? i mean, closer ties with the emerging econdo we such india? i mean, closer ties with the emerging econdo we have india? i mean, closer ties with the emerging econdo we have to india? i mean, closer ties with the emerging econdo we have to do ia? i mean, closer ties with the emerging econdo we have to do this mean, closer ties with the emerging econdo we have to do this under. why do we have to do this under their rules? and you mentioned their rules? and you mentioned the single market and you mentioned the customs union. i think that is where we're heading this is the thin end of a wedge of closer alignment. heading this is the thin end of a wedgbyof closer alignment. heading this is the thin end of a wedgbyof thousand gnment. heading this is the thin end of a wedgbyof thousand policies, death by a thousand policies, death by a thousand paper cuts. this is precise . the sort of this is precise. the sort of thing that that that brexiteers will theorists will call conspiracy theorists about. will call conspiracy theorists about . and say, i'm just about. and like i say, i'm just staggered that it's a conservative government. they've done this like they've done this. this is like they've stolen starmer's homework. stolen keir starmer's homework. >> a of people that >> there's a lot of people that are saying similar things to you. there's lot you. martin there's a lot of people that saying that they people that are saying that they do actually is do feel actually that this is that fair step, that there's a concern that there's a fair step, and it's just going to be, you know, this is the first rung on the ladder. if you see towards ending up back in the eu. you think would ever eu. do you think that would ever be possibility? do think be a possibility? do you think

that would be saved? labour got re—elected. you there re—elected. do you reckon there would whereby by would be a scenario whereby by inch by inch they were trying to take the eu? take us back into the eu? >> think it's very possible >> i think it's very possible that there more and more that there are more and more areas the economy where areas of the economy where people begin to recognise that actually some sort of cooperation larger bloc cooperation with a larger bloc is very useful because how global essentially global trade works essentially is to make is someone's got to make the rules. so there are lots of countries who basically have to conform in the conform to the rules set in the united not because united states, not because they're any kind of formal they're in any kind of formal agreement united agreement with the united states, but because want to states, but because they want to trade with trade their similar with the global in china, global south in china, similar with even you with europe. so even even if you aren't of a formal aren't part of a formal agreement, you will often have to people's rules de to just follow people's rules de facto, because they're who you want with. so i think want to trade with. so i think it will up being it probably will end up being the britain decides, the case that britain decides, oh, as well formalise oh, we might as well formalise some if some of these arrangements if we're their rules. we're following their rules. >> anyway, the key difference is that trade deal with that if we do a trade deal with america or usa, we don't pay £15 billion to join the club. that's the point. this got a very the point. this has got a very expensive buy like expensive buy in. it's like a game of poker stakes game of poker where the stakes are even play it are high just to even play it back again. that's an unfair

deal britain. and like deal for britain. and like i say, politically, for say, politically, if, for example, the finally had example, the uk finally had politicians grew a spine example, the uk finally had poli'challenged grew a spine example, the uk finally had poli'challenged netv a spine example, the uk finally had poli'challenged net zeropine example, the uk finally had poli'challenged net zero and and challenged net zero and talked about going talked properly about going energy sovereign, things like shale coal, north oil, then shale coal, north sea oil, then we wouldn't be able to put research into that under this scheme because it directly contravenes the eu's 2050 net zero that's what i'm zero targets. that's what i'm saying. it's restrictive in what we're even allowed to put into new technology and research . new technology and research. >> if you go on. well, i don't think it does restrict what you're allowed to put into new technology in research. >> it'sjust technology in research. >> it's just you wouldn't be able to do it within the horizon scheme, right? so there are going be other funding going to be other funding mechanisms universities. going to be other funding mecithinkns universities. going to be other funding mecithinkns idea versities. going to be other funding mecithinkns idea that ties. going to be other funding mecithinkns idea that we'd also think the idea that we'd move from zero be move away from net zero would be a mistake and to be energy sovereign, whereby we just use our own energy, have to have our own energy, you have to have a much more radical transformation of capitalism than think you're currently than i think you're currently proposing, you'd have to proposing, because you'd have to end trade. end all kind of trade. >> your suggest >> why don't your lot suggest nationalising anyway? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> globsec. there you so >> globsec. there you go. so plant ardizzoni said many people out that you feel a out there saying that you feel a

brexit is on the brexit betrayal is on the horizon. what you did horizon. i see what you did there. smart cookies, right? i want to you. lots coming want to talk to you. lots coming your i want ask you as your way. i want to ask you as well about children. should they be transition on be allowed to transition on their at school ? school, their gender at school? school, really? you think really? what do you think to that? there's a u—turn that? i think there's a u—turn perhaps from this perhaps coming from this government that.

news radio. hi there, this is michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. >> martin daubney alongside me, as is michael walker. lots of you getting in touch. you don't hold much trust, i have to say , hold much trust, i have to say, for our ruling classes , when it for our ruling classes, when it comes to whether or not we're going to end up back in the eu, many of you are saying absolutely this really is that first step in going back into the eu. some people saying you really would prefer that we were not getting back into this honzon not getting back into this horizon deal. as i said at different points of view, there a part of society really hate seeing today as a very good day.

others expressing a similar view to some of you guys at home now let's talk children because rishi sunak apparently there's a rumours afoot that he might be looking to . how do i put this looking to. how do i put this nicely? you turn perhaps on some of his thoughts around whether or children should be able or not children should be able to transition their gender at school. the draft guidance now says that should be able to says that kids should be able to socially transition with the consent of their parents, which basically means they can go by a different name, they can put a different name, they can put a different uniform on and change their pronouns and all the rest of it. martin daubney, where do you stand this? you stand on this? >> another another u—turn. >> another day, another u—turn. and not just sunak, you and it's not just sunak, you know, starmer's same . they know, starmer's the same. they flip more often than flip flop more often than marbella beach it's marbella beach shop. it's ridiculous. people want clarity . they want leadership. and they they want a position on they want a firm position on what is, i think, one of the biggest travesties of the modern age. >> but but that but that position has got to be doable. so the original position was that the original rumours was that the original rumours was that rishi sunak and government

were going to try and outlaw basically this transitioning thing. that was the kind of tough talk. but now what they're saying is that because as i think it's the equalities act was saying that it's going to infringe on the rights of those people. therefore it wouldn't people. so therefore it wouldn't stand a of law essentially. >> yeah. it's the same as why we can't deport terrorists. it's the same as why we can't close our borders, because the human rights of people trumps our own sovereignty, right to sovereignty, our own right to rule . as donald trump blasted rule. as donald trump blasted all of this out of schools in america, and then he was unelected and biden turned it around on day one. that's the problem. you know, i think every decision that the tories make now is going to get blown out of the anyway. feel like the water anyway. they feel like a government. back to the water anyway. they feel like a point,)vernment. back to the water anyway. they feel like a point, i'ernment. back to the water anyway. they feel like a point, i thinkent. back to the water anyway. they feel like a point, i think the back to the water anyway. they feel like a point, i think the notion) this point, i think the notion that children can be i think the word is groomed in school by activists with a vested interest in gender politics. they've learnt this from their university years , using our university years, using our children as their own social experiments. this is the contagion in and i think it needs to be kicked out of

schools. i'd like to i'd like to have an independent audit of everybody who's allowed into schools, every external educator, no mermaids, educator, no more mermaids, no more get pride more stonewall. let's get pride out classrooms. let's get out the classrooms. let's get this because we don't this out because we just don't need teaching this stuff. need to be teaching this stuff. teach don't teach kids, educate them, don't indoctrinate them. >> michael it seems like you're having a completely different argument to what this story actually what this story actually is. so what this story actually is. so what this story actually is, is if a parent wants their child to transition and the child wants to socially transition, then the school should respect that. so it's about the autonomy and individual rights of a child and their about their parents. so this is about their parents. so this is about the family making the decision. so you're saying so now you're saying this is about indoctrinating about the school indoctrinating children. it's the precise opposite. this is that opposite. this is saying that family and children should together able the together be able to make the decision. that wasn't decision. yeah, but that wasn't how transitions. how someone transitions. >> badenoch >> but that wasn't kemi badenoch position, wasn't the position, that that wasn't the position, that that wasn't the position the tory government position of the tory government a ago. i'm saying a few weeks ago. what i'm saying is are changing position to is they are changing position to go something moderate go for something more moderate or changing position or they're changing position to a which respects a position which respects individual rights respects individual rights and respects the parents to decide the rights of parents to decide how their children should be raised, should to me be a

raised, which should to me be a conservative value. and they're changing because changing their position because they the laws which they know that the laws which which going they know that the laws which which them going they know that the laws which which them allow ng they know that the laws which which them allow them to against them won't allow them to take that position anyway. it's the one controlling the same one controlling borders. because human borders. it's because the human rights would rights legislation would be weaponized against the government government weaponized against the govern lose. government weaponized against the governlose.that's government weaponized against the govern lose. that's the )vernment weaponized against the governlose. that's the problem|t would lose. that's the problem as it a problem? i mean, do >> is it a problem? i mean, do you do you think that if a parent wants their child to socially transition the child wants socially transition? wants to socially transition? remember, we can be talking about someone who's who's 16 or 17, if the child wants 17, right? if the child wants to, them to. to, the parent wants them to. you the school should turn you think the school should turn around no, no, you around and say, no, no, you can't what you want do. can't do what you want to do. you can't what your parents you can't do what your parents want do. are not going to want to do. we are not going to allow you to socially. >> what does that mean to involve schools? a child >> what does that mean to involv�*wantsols? achild >> what does that mean to involv�*wants to? a child >> what does that mean to involv�*wants to socially ild wants wants to socially transition the blessing of transition with the blessing of their parents, does their parents, why does that need in schools? need to take place in schools? that's private matter between that's a private matter between the family the and the family and the child. and how the children learn these how do the children learn these ideas first forget ideas in the first place? forget about again, this learning idea. >> so you probably this >> so you probably know this this stuff in schools. you'll probably know the video of margaret the margaret thatcher in the 1980s complaining kids complaining that kids are getting taught an getting taught they have an

inalienable right be gay. inalienable right to be gay. right. don't right. that was the i don't think a complete it is think it is a complete it is think it is a complete it is think that's the politics that came with section 28 came along with with section 28 where became impossible to where it became impossible to talk something such talk about something such as homosexuality. grew up as homosexuality. now, i grew up as a guy when section 28. a young gay guy when section 28. i was basically it was i mean, it was basically it was removed when about 14. so removed when i was about 14. so it still have been it would still have been affecting schools. and when i was seven and i think was in year seven and i think that was really toxic, that was really, really toxic, saying teachers talk about saying teachers can't talk about homosexuality now, people would have exactly the have talked about it exactly the same did. people same way that you did. people were saying people grooming were saying people are grooming people didn't people to be gay. people didn't use gay. now loads of use to be gay. now loads of people because of people are gay. it's because of these going into these groomers going into school. now, what we realise is that were just school. now, what we realise is that of were just school. now, what we realise is that of who were just school. now, what we realise is that of who were always lots of people who were always gay and now they have the confidence it. i think confidence to say it. i think we're going to very we're going to see a very similar it's an apples and pears when it comes transgender population. >> having having a >> you know, having having a healthy conversation about your chosen it's quite chosen sexuality, it's quite different encouraging chosen sexuality, it's quite different treatment raging chosen sexuality, it's quite different treatment or|ing chosen sexuality, it's quite different treatment or a g chosen sexuality, it's quite different treatment or a route hormonal treatment or a route towards those towards surgery. those conversations schools towards surgery. those con\ parents|s schools towards surgery. those con\parents and schools towards surgery. those con\parents and then schools towards surgery. those con\parents and then getting the and parents and then getting the baggage my my son's peer baggage in my in my son's peer group there are least four group there are at least four kids every year who are trans kids in every year who are trans and or 3 them

and guess what? 2 or 3 of them have changed after have changed their mind after a couple of years because just a phase they were through phase they were going through almost all of them are on the autistic spectrum through autistic spectrum and through through proper conversations and learning to love themselves for who are, confused young who they are, confused young individuals somebody who they are, confused young indi\ needs somebody who they are, confused young indi\needs surgical somebody who they are, confused young indi\needs surgical hormonaly who needs surgical or hormonal intervention indoctrination intervention or indoctrination. they perfectly happy they can have perfectly happy lives as ordinary gay people down the line. you cannot reverse the roots down hormonal and surgical roots . and what i'm and surgical roots. and what i'm saying is if, if, if individual parents and individual children want to want to do this, fine, but keep it out of schools. >> well, it is going to be in the schools. >> right? because a child spends a lot of their time in the school. so if a parent has decided think in decided that we think it's in the best interests of this kid to socially transition, now you accept now there gay accept now there are gay people, but people would have but in the 80s people would have said no. but in the there said no. but in the 80s there would saying, well, would be people saying, well, no, it's not the case that people are just gay. and it's about whether not they have about whether or not they have the about the confidence to speak about it. would these people it. they would say, these people are groomed, they're being are being groomed, they're being encouraged i encouraged to be gay. now, i think of transgender in

think of transgender people in exactly way think exactly the same way i think there people who in the there are many people who in the past would come out as past that would have come out as transgender instead ended transgender who instead ended up sort living their a sort of living their life a little bit uncomfortable in their their social their body, in their social identity. these people identity. now these people are able of out and be able to sort of come out and be open about that. and then people like you say, oh, they're being groomed, is social groomed, oh, this is social contagion. maybe this contagion. yeah. no, maybe this is realising that is just people realising that now speak comfortably now they can speak comfortably about are. about who they are. it's a little like being left little bit like being left handed. so there was a period when we as society recognise as a recognise that a society, recognise that some people can be left handed. suddenly left handed. suddenly no one was left handed. then went up to 10% of the population. >> right hang on a second, because if i'm writing with my, if my child's writing his if my child's writing with his left you know left hand and i decide, you know what, life is probably what, your life is probably going be easier if you write going to be easier if you write with right hand or whatever. >> and i shove a in his >> and i shove a pencil in his right hand, the worst that's going is to be going to happen is going to be ambidexter. going be ambidexter. it's going to be able to write with both hands. good you. there's not going good for you. there's not going to term material to be any long term material damage life and his damage to his life and his well—being by being forced to hold a pencil, have hold a pencil, surgically, have the left hand removed. >> no. the left hand removed. >> so. the left hand removed. >> so i think the analogy is

actually so actually somewhat different. so the wasn't the damage so when it wasn't accepted that people would be left damage would be left handed, the damage would be making naturally making someone who is naturally left life left handed, spend their life writing hand. writing with their right hand. then get called is, then what they get called is, oh my they've terrible my god, they've got terrible handwriting. very handwriting. this person is very bad you realise handwriting. this person is very béthat you realise handwriting. this person is very béthat you you realise handwriting. this person is very béthat you just you realise handwriting. this person is very béthat you just letlou realise handwriting. this person is very béthat you just let them alise is that if you just let them write with their their left hand, they're going to have a better they're going to better life. they're going to have productive life. better life. they're going to have i productive life. better life. they're going to have i think productive life. better life. they're going to have i think aroductive life. better life. they're going to have i think a similare life. better life. they're going to have i think a similar thing is now, i think a similar thing is the case. mean, it's the case. i mean, it's complicated. get me wrong. the case. i mean, it's com|iscated. get me wrong. the case. i mean, it's com|is complicatedget me wrong. the case. i mean, it's com|is complicated analogy/rong. this is complicated analogy that i saying reasons i was saying for the reasons i've that actually, i've just said, that actually, if a pencil in, if you shove a pencil in, the wrong in someone's wrong person's in someone's wrong person's in someone's wrong you know, think wrong hand, you know, i think that very damaging. that can be very damaging. >> right. might be >> yeah, you're right. might be a messy. my brother one a bit messy. my brother was one of those. dad wouldn't refuse a bit messy. my brother was one of thcblank dad wouldn't refuse a bit messy. my brother was one of thc blank to ad wouldn't refuse a bit messy. my brother was one of thc blank to accept ldn't refuse a bit messy. my brother was one of thc blank to accept myt refuse point blank to accept my brother. brothers was brother. one of my brothers was left writes with left handed. he now writes with both ambidextrous. he he both hand is ambidextrous. he he don't he's not don't really care. he's not scarred or scarred in any way, shape or form. talented, form. he's quite talented, actually, writing in actually, with his writing in both love to be able both hand, i'd love to be able to do but we're talking to do it, but what we're talking about as a mommy about here, as a mommy myself, i am deeply concerned this am deeply concerned about this because yes, i imagine that there people, some there are some people, some children there are some people, some ch follow the literal definition to follow the literal definition are think are transgender. but i think there are a huge amount of children that not

children that are not transgender that just transgender that are just uncomfortable, particularly when it comes to going through puberty. starts puberty. your body starts changing ways. changing in all kinds of ways. and a woman, as and especially as a woman, as a girl, from being girl, you go from just being like, know, of the lads. like, you know, one of the lads. you're mucking in to. all of a sudden you're developing these breasts and the rest of it, sudden you're developing these breathen nd the rest of it, sudden you're developing these breathen you the rest of it, sudden you're developing these breathen you start rest of it, sudden you're developing these breathen you start to st of it, sudden you're developing these breathen you start to become and then you start to become seen by people as a sexual being. and if you're not that way whatever, way inclined or whatever, it becomes and becomes quite uncomfortable. and if you, you know if someone said to you, you know what, wave this wand what, i can wave you this wand and da you can and actually da da, you can transition and make all of that go away. that would very go away. that would be very attractive to an attractive and appealing to an awful but when awful lot of people. but when you shoving people onto you start shoving people onto that route, when you start pumping these pumping them full of these hormone blockers, puberty blockers and whatever else, you start chopping off people's bits, you making bits, you start making them infertile. actually, infertile. and then actually, when line, you when you get down the line, you realise, know i am realise, oh, you know what, i am who am, and i wish that who i am, and i wish that i could have just been happy with who am. guess what? you who i am. well, guess what? you know your ship is now know what your ship is now sailed. permanently sailed. you've permanently damaged body. you've damaged your body. you've perhaps permanently made yourself infertile. and that's why a very why i think this is a very important i agree. it's sensitive, important sensitive, but very important potent topic which needs to be robustly debated. it needs to be

held up to scrutiny and i think it needs to be challenged as well. >> well, the ship can sail in the other direction as well. right. so obviously, you know, my age when i was growing up, it would been very difficult would have been very difficult to as trans school. to come out as trans at school. now, know people who've now, i know many people who've become who've come out as trans later become who've come out as trans latel think become >> i think it's become fashionable now. if you can say the trans kid, i think that fashionable now. if you can say the trarthink. i think that fashionable now. if you can say the trarthink thatink that fashionable now. if you can say the trarthink that makest people think that makes them have a little bit of social kudos. if you ask me, i really don't think there are people who are ing are intentionally trans ing their social cachet. their kids for social cachet. >> i think the >> they are. i think the argument that maybe is argument that maybe there is some among some social contagion among teenagers what teenagers is stronger, but what we recognise is that we do have to recognise is that some are genuinely trans. some people are genuinely trans. they're be happy they're only going to be happy if transition and it if they can transition and it is much if you start that much easier if you start that earlier later because those earlier than later because those physical changes do make a tiny, tiny britons. physical changes do make a tiny, tinyyet britons. physical changes do make a tiny, tinyyet here britons. physical changes do make a tiny, tinyyet here we britons. physical changes do make a tiny, tinyyet here we are ritons. physical changes do make a tiny, tinyyet here we are surrendering >> yet here we are surrendering the rights of young women, surrendering the rights of other people in the name of this social experiment. >> well, do know what an >> well, do you know what an import tonight conversation, a difficult well some difficult one as well in some respects. anyway , it is a respects. but anyway, it is a conversation that will rumble on

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scorcher. love it, don't you? right. listen, are you wealthier than your parents? if so, was it easy to become that? do you want your kids to be wealthier and more successful than you or do you think they will be able to achieve it? i'm asking because when social mobility when it comes to social mobility is now harder than ever is now harder than it has ever been before . to move up that been before. to move up that greasy ladder , we'll look at why

radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me , martin tonight alongside me, martin daubney, a fellow gb news presenter and former brexit party mep, and michael walker, a contributing editor at novara media . lots of you guys getting media. lots of you guys getting in touch? i will come back actually to some of your points because i do i find what some of you have to say fascinating. so i do. so i'll bring you in before the end of the programme. worry not. but for now i want to talk to you about social mobility here in this country. is it's than it's been in

is it's worst than it's been in about half a century. this is the institute for fiscal studies . it's basically that . it's basically found that people in the north people growing up in the north of england and the midlands , as of england and the midlands, as well from a minority well as those from a minority ethnic find it ethnic background, would find it a lot harder to become wealthier than their parents. what do you think to this? michael yeah , so think to this? michael yeah, so it's not just people in the north of england and people of ethnic minorities. north of england and people of ethnic ibasically. north of england and people of ethnic ibasically everyone >> it's basically everyone is going it to find going to find it harder to find themselves in a higher decile than their parents than would have previously. have been the case previously. we of reasons we now a number of reasons for this suppose. one, sort of this, i suppose. one, sort of changes in job market. it's changes in the job market. it's sort to get a job sort of harder to get into a job at bottom level and then just at a bottom level and then just keep getting promoted. i think at a bottom level and then just kee|have ing promoted. i think at a bottom level and then just kee|have sort3romoted. i think at a bottom level and then just kee|have sort of moted. i think at a bottom level and then just kee|have sort of the ed. i think at a bottom level and then just kee|have sort of the nature ink at a bottom level and then just kee|have sort of the nature of; you have sort of the nature of the job market just changes that. think property is a huge that. i think property is a huge thing it's thing here though, because it's the even if now you, the case that even if now you, you against all odds, you you know, against all odds, you do really school, even do really well at school, even though very though you're from a very poor background, then against all though you're from a very poor backgyou d, then against all though you're from a very poor backgyou d, treallygainst all though you're from a very poor backgyou d, treallygainstatll odds, you do really well at university because you're from a poor you get poor background. then you get a decent for your even decent job for your salary. even if if it's if it's okay, even if it's a sort of respectable salary, it would be dwarfed your friend would be dwarfed by your friend who happened to a house

who happened to inherit a house in london. right? because house pnces in london. right? because house prices so , so high that prices are so, so high that a house, you know, a normal house i mean, my parent's house in east london, sort of two up, two down. it's probably worth over half a million. >> right. listen and listen. just london thing. the just a london thing. the property thing. i mean, is property thing. i mean, it is insane and out of control in london. but i would say right across the country, property is now going up massively. now are going up massively. i know holloway, i'm know in holloway, where i'm from, at the property from, if i look at the property pnces from, if i look at the property prices i don't know. so prices there, i don't know. so ten years ago whatever ten years ago or whatever compared there's been compared to now, there's been huge . huge growth. >> yeah. and super >> yeah. and it's super unhealthy. mean, should unhealthy. i mean, we should live society whereby you're live in a society whereby you're youn live in a society whereby you're your, standard of living your, your standard of living comes from the work you do, not the wealth you have. and i think at the moment the situation we have is that if are sitting have is that if you are sitting on that wealth will on wealth, that wealth will accrue more in accrue more and more wealth in interest the interest and then in just the fact house prices are fact that house prices are rising. what that means is rising. and what that means is that, you know, however aspirational go and aspirational you are, you go and get which is already very get a job, which is already very difficult do if you're from difficult to do if you're from a working class background and then find yourself then still you find yourself a job a working no, job from a working class. no, sorry, job. let's

sorry, a high paid job. let's say it's not actually difficult for a job now. for anyone to get a job now. really because unemployment is so very difficult so low. but it's very difficult to well—paid because to get a well—paid job because wages have stagnating for wages have been stagnating for about if you want wages have been stagnating for ab go if you want wages have been stagnating for ab go into if you want wages have been stagnating for ab go into a if you want wages have been stagnating for ab go into a well—paid/ou want wages have been stagnating for ab go into a well—paid job, nant wages have been stagnating for ab go into a well—paid job, then to go into a well—paid job, then still will be dwarfed still that will be dwarfed by the of colleague the inheritance of a colleague who wealthy who happens to have wealthy parents who own a house. >> well, another report and another report that ignores the elephant that elephant in the room. and that is the white working class boys, especially at bottom of the especially at the bottom of the pile. been over pile. there have been over 20 straight the least likely straight years, the least likely demographic any in britain to demographic of any in britain to attend university. at attend university. they start at reception they never reception behind and they never catch and once more their catch up. and once more their preponderance to live in community is affected by mass immigration is another elephant in the room. the brexit referendum was a vote on this. it was a vote for people who can't afford to go to university who that britain isn't who who feel that britain isn't working feel working for them. they feel trapped, that have trapped, that they can't have the that cost £50,000 the education that cost £50,000 in total. and furthermore , the in total. and furthermore, the low skilled jobs that they're leaving school equipped to be employed in, they never received any help. there's not a single

initiative anywhere in britain to help these people from those communities. and then they find themselves competing with immigrant minimum immigrant labour for minimum wage. 606,000 come into the uk flooding this market. we have criminal levels of underemployed and not in education. young men, 19 to 25 year old lads are now two and a half times more likely to be out of work than young women . an extra 56,000. this is women. an extra 56,000. this is this is a total group of 237 young men aged 18 to 24, not in work or education and festering forgotten . they used to be left forgotten. they used to be left behind and betrayed . and they behind and betrayed. and they never have a voice in politics, it's always about ethnic minorities. it's always about women being behind. the women being left behind. the data the data. been data is the data. they've been left behind . brexit was meant to left behind. brexit was meant to be chance to have a say. be their chance to have a say. and what's happened ever since, as to squash that as they've tried to squash that vote , social is vote, social mobility is expensive. people can't expensive. these people can't afford to even get on the ladder how. >> now. >> i mean, i think you're doing i mean, the wealthy are just a massive by blaming massive favour here by blaming this right if this on migration right now, if you where people from you look at where people from working class backgrounds are most succeed, whatever working class backgrounds are mostthey're succeed, whatever working class backgrounds are mostthey're from,ceed, whatever working class backgrounds are mostthey're from,ceeclondon,'er race they're from, it's london, the multicolour part of the

the most multicolour part of the country. so the that country. so the idea that immigration is what's stopping people's how do you afford to move to london if you're from hull or wigan mansfield, hull or wigan or mansfield, you're misunderstood landing my point. you point. my point is not you should just move london. my should just move to london. my point there no point is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the reason that social mobility is declining of declining is because of migration. social migration. the reason social mobility is declining because mobility is declining is because of concentration wealth of a concentration of wealth among wealthy. and the among the very wealthy. and the fact that our economy is based much more on the value of your house and your wealth than is house and your wealth than it is about that do. about the work that you do. >> there's an oversupply of cheap labour a huge demand cheap labour and a huge demand for which up for housing, which pushes up the prices. leaves prices. all of which leaves those least education, those with the least education, never getting out of that of that whirlpool. >> do you think you can ever change or you know, change your class or you know, so example, working class, i so for example, working class, i think working is such a think working class is such a i find like a badge of honour. find it like a badge of honour. and it's like it's to me and i think it's like it's to me like i know it's going to sound a bit strange, but like it's like a presentation of like , like a presentation of like, goodness. when i see working class people, i think, oh, they're decent salt of the

they're like decent salt of the earth, decent people. do you think that when you earn more, you come out of a working class background? because don't. background? because i don't. i think it's an attitude set and a value set. >> i think it is. and i also think it's case like just not think it's a case like just not forgetting and forgetting that. and not forgetting that. and not forgetting come from, forgetting that. and not forg know come from, forgetting that. and not forg know , come from, forgetting that. and not forg know , you come from, forgetting that. and not forg know , you don't come from, forgetting that. and not forg know , you don't get e from, forgetting that. and not forg know , you don't get that m, you know, you don't get that kind of snobbery amongst the working class who've it, working class who've made it, i find, you remember the find, because you remember the hard and you've tasted the hard times and you've tasted the pain, so you enjoy the champagne and that sort of mentality. and it's that sort of mentality. whereas as people with with a more entitled attitude who often despise the working class or see them as as an anomaly, we saw this with the labour party. now the built on the labour party was built on the labour party was built on the working class foundation on their completely betrayed their votes, completely betrayed by the left, and that is why they ended up voting for the conservative party in areas of the country. we never, ever thought would go conservative because owned because they were abandon owned by part of that is by the left. and part of that is the cancer identity politics, the cancer of identity politics, which people which decided that these people have no social currency, they have no social currency, they have grievance because have no grievance because they're they're male, they're white, they're male, they're white, they're male, they're , and suck they're privileged, and suck it up. so don't get any up. and so they don't get any

help they're trapped at the help and they're trapped at the bottom . bottom. >> mean, justthink bottom. >> mean, just think it's >> i mean, i just think it's a bit of a shame that we're talking about a report which showed that mobility showed that social mobility is at low. it's worse at an all time low. it's worse if you're non—white, right? it's worse outside worse if you're living outside of reason here. of london. the reason here. well, no, i mean, the report here it's i think here is that it's i think something you've done there, which is a little bit dishonest, is you've got people , is you've got black people, asian people, but asian people, white people, but then switched. then you've switched. you've divided people between divided the white people between middle and working middle class and working class. now is. now because that is. >> what about of their success. >> what about of their success. >> are there other white >> so are there other white working likely to working class any less likely to succeed the black working succeed than the black working class yes. than the black class? yes. than the black working class. but because you haven't. the data haven't. no, because the data you're distinguish you're using does it distinguish between middle you're using does it distinguish betwe black middle you're using does it distinguish betwe black people? middle you're using does it distinguish betweblack people? unless middle you're using does it distinguish betweblack people? unless itiddle class black people? unless it does, that's a bad study. >> it's if you look >> it's not if you if you look at people school meals, at people on free school meals, that's metric used in every at people on free school meals, that�*of metric used in every at people on free school meals, that�*of appraisinnged in every at people on free school meals, that�*of appraising why in every at people on free school meals, that�*of appraising why it'severy way of appraising why it's working class people particularly boys from the same socioeconomic backgrounds, fare worse in education than any ethnic minority fact. >> well, there you go . we like >> well, there you go. we like facts. this week there was a newspaper headline which called

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hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. martin daubney and michael walker alongside me. i stand corrected. everybody because i was saying about the pens being forced into people's hands and i was saying, you're not going to cause damage. quite few of you damage. but quite a few of you have in me have been writing in telling me your experience. had more your experience. i've had more than one person who has told me that they were forced at school to write with their right hand, and they've been left with challenges like stutter, challenges like a stutter, a stammer, example . some stammer, for example. some people are telling so you people are telling me, so you know stand corrected. so people are telling me, so you kdov stand corrected. so people are telling me, so you kdo write stand corrected. so people are telling me, so you kdo write a stand corrected. so people are telling me, so you kdo write a headline.»rrected. so people are telling me, so you kdo write a headline. i'ected. so people are telling me, so you kdo write a headline. i caughtso i do write a headline. i caught a headline week , and i have a headline this week, and i have to say, really catch my to say, it really did catch my eye referred to eye because it referred to someone know to work someone that i know used to work with and actually very much respect . i refer to trevor respect. i refer to trevor phillips , i think he said trevor

phillips, i think he said trevor as sir trevor phillips actually. anyway, in promoting his new programme on sky news, he was asked about gb news and he went on to say that basically he doesn't see gb news as a rival. he sees it as a club for people to have their views and prejudice confirmed. he went on. he said it's some kind of public service because it gives people somewhere who might somewhere to go who might otherwise have expressed their views in more harmful ways than going on social media. martin daubney, what do you think to that? well i worked at sky for many years. >> fact, that's where we >> in fact, that's where we first met our eyes locked tell everyone of our secret. we everyone all of our secret. we first that in first eyes locked in that in that sky news green room. and that sky news green room. and that a time actually when that was at a time actually when i think sky had very healthy i think sky had a very healthy balance opinions. balance of opinions. you were able there and be able to go on there and be pro—brexit . we you're able pro—brexit. we were. you're able to there and sort of say, to go on there and sort of say, i think actually people are going for donald trump. going to vote for donald trump. i call two of those elections correctly myself correctly on sky and find myself often person that often the only person with that opinion entire channel. often the only person with that opin now entire channel. often the only person with that opin now you entire channel. often the only person with that opin now you don't re channel. often the only person with that opin now you don't gethannel. often the only person with that opin now you don't get anybody

and now you don't get anybody with opinions on sky. and with those opinions on sky. and i it's a bit rich of i think it's a bit rich of trevor to say this when the whole reason i think channels like news exist is because like gb news exist is because the mainstream media gave gave our opinions no outlet. it created the market. and furthermore trevor saying that that gb news isn't a rival. well breakfast today beat breakfast on sky all day. your your show last night beat sky news for the entire hour regularly and his own show often gets tonked by camilla tominey so actually we are his his his new show only launched this weekend to be fair and the time frames between him and the time frames between him and camilla, they only overlap for half an hour. >> but for that half an hour, camilla did indeed beat his show. i also think show. but i also think to say that don't agree with that people you don't agree with are prejudice is why the mainstream media yesterday i saw was the lowest tv ratings ever were in the uk. >> and i think people are switching off. but not just because it's a heatwave and who wants to sit indoors when it's red, it's announced. >> why do we sit in? it could be that. >> but dissatisfaction with the

establishment, establishment media why gb media is a huge reason why gb news even exists in the first place. is of the problem. >> michael walker are we club >> michael walker are we a club for prejudice as well? for the prejudice as well? >> mean , the reason come on >> i mean, the reason i come on this is because i to this show is because i want to speak audience. speak to your audience. >> mean, think your >> i mean, i don't think your audience are prejudice. think audience are prejudice. i think your are ordinary your audience are ordinary british people, right? i suppose my is my critique of the channel is that i my critique of the channel is thati do my critique of the channel is that i do think that it has a tendency to punch down instead of up. now, on novara of punch up. now, on novara media, we what media, my channel, what we what does mean? so my analysis does that mean? so my analysis of what's going wrong in society tends to that we let the rich tends to be that we let the rich and powerful get away with way too right? they're not too much right? they're not paying too much right? they're not paying were paying enough tax, as we were talking the previous talking about in the previous segment. it's very difficult now for people to climb the ladder of social mobility because the ladder has been pulled away. there are very rich and powerful people be people who don't want to be taxed. they want their taxed. they don't want their business interests to be challenged. and what means challenged. and what that means is inequality increasing is that inequality is increasing and are and our public services are collapsing . collapsing. >> for me, what i do with >> now, for me, what i do with gb news club for the prejudice. >> well, what it has got to do is because i think gb news

distracts from that by constantly making the constantly sort of making the subject debate vulnerable subject of debate vulnerable people. , people. so trans people, migrants, are, in my migrants, people who are, in my view, not particularly politically powerful. and so i think you're punch down because you talk about less about social mobility, where he was pointing all of the things out that you just describing. yeah, no, absolutely. was a great absolutely. that was a great segment. think segment. but i think the preponderance segments that preponderance of segments that we news tend to be we cover on gb news tend to be about asylum about things such as asylum seekers , trans people. and i seekers, trans people. and i would say i would much prefer for focus to be much more on for the focus to be much more on how rich and wealthy get how the rich and wealthy get away with quite a lot because i do thatit away with quite a lot because i do that it can be a bit of do think that it can be a bit of a distraction tactic, but it's also legitimate for gb also perfectly legitimate for gb news hang on a news viewers to say hang on a minute, are we spending minute, why are we spending billions pounds on asylum billions of pounds on asylum seeking per year, £7 million on hotels when we have our hotels per day when we have our own homeless? >> this is actually only >> so this is actually the only channel those sort channel that's having those sort of that's why of conversations. that's why it's essential. >> i'll be very clear. >> look, i'll be very clear. >> look, i'll be very clear. >> the reason that was excited >> look, i'll be very clear. >> th gb�*ason that was excited >> look, i'll be very clear. >> th gb newsthat was excited >> look, i'll be very clear. >> th gb news when was excited >> look, i'll be very clear. >> th gb news when welaunched about gb news when it launched is because i'd worked in a commentary in media commentary in the media for a long plus, i long time, a decade plus, and i have two sides to my life. so i

have two sides to my life. so i have the london media side and then what call home, then i have what i call home, which you can you which is hull. and you can you know, can sit and you can know, you can sit and you can gorge on the agendas and what's interesting people london gorge on the agendas and what's inteiwhatg people london gorge on the agendas and what's inteiwhatg jtalk.e london gorge on the agendas and what's inteiwhatg jtalk.e l

prejudice and i think actually that in itself is a real shame. look that is all i've got time for . i look that is all i've got time for. i promise i will squeeze more of your views in the programme tomorrow. but for now, time flies . michael martin thank time flies. michael martin thank you.thank time flies. michael martin thank you. thank you at home as well for watching and listening and of course supporting gb news. have yourself a fantastic night. do not go anywhere, nigel farage comes . next. comes. next. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxed solar power proud sponsors of weather on gb news. hello >> it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. with the gb news forecast, another warm night to come overnight with elevated temperatures for the time of yeah temperatures for the time of year. more hot sunshine to come then into friday. not for everyone . there is a fair amount everyone. there is a fair amount of medium and high cloud of medium and high level cloud around there are some around and there are some showers drifting north across scotland and northern ireland overnight. most of the rain not reaching the ground. these are

relatively high based showers, but could see some flashes of lightning as that clears away. then for most places it's dry with clear spells, some low cloud creeping into east cloud creeping into the east coast. but wherever you are, it's a warm night, a muggy feel. 18, 19, 20 celsius in the south, mid to high teens in the north. and that sets us off for a warm start to friday. still, some of that low cloud and mist around the east coast, but it tends to retreat during the morning to the immediate beaches and there'll be some low cloud creeping around the south western coast as well with with the potential for some showers to turn up later here. otherwise for many, it's bright skies and another hot day. mid to high 20 s widely 30 or 31 celsius in the south and south—east. then into saturday it's another warm start to the day . plenty of sunshine to the day. plenty of sunshine from the word go, especially towards the east and the south. a change on the way, though, for the north and northwest. but northern and western scotland sees and some sees some showers and some cooler later that spreads

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gb news away. >> good evening. there is a huge manhunt on the way all around the country for the suspected terrorist that got out of prison yesterday. we ask how on earth has it all come to this? and on the day that people are championing the horizon deal, yes, we're back working with our eu partners. it all came about because we agreed to something called the windsor framework. i'll be joined by ian paisley, mp from northern ireland, and we'll find out actually the windsor framework. perhaps it's not quite as good a deal as the

government told us. and on talking pints on this eve of the first anniversary of the death of her majesty the queen, i'll be joined by royal biographer andrea levin. but before all of that , let's get the news with that, let's get the news with ray addison . ray addison. >> thanks, nigel. good evening. our top story this hour, more than 150 counter—terrorism officers are working around the clock in an effort to locate eight escaped terror suspect daniel khalifa gb news. sources have confirmed that he's accused of spying for iran. the met police say a lack of sightings of khalifa is testament to his ingentu of khalifa is testament to his ingenuity as a soldier. meanwhile the met police has released an image of the biofuel vehicle it's believed he used to escape and security checks have been tightened at ports despite the incident. the pm says there have been fewer prison escapes under the tory government . under the tory government. >> something like 4000 more prison officers than there were