and on government told us. and on talking pints on this eve of the first anniversary of the death of her majesty the queen, i'll be joined by royal biographer andrea levin. but before all of that , let's get the news with that, let's get the news with ray addison . ray addison. >> thanks, nigel. good evening. our top story this hour, more than 150 counter—terrorism officers are working around the clock in an effort to locate eight escaped terror suspect daniel khalifa gb news. sources have confirmed that he's accused of spying for iran. the met police say a lack of sightings of khalifa is testament to his ingentu of khalifa is testament to his ingenuity as a soldier. meanwhile the met police has released an image of the biofuel vehicle it's believed he used to escape and security checks have been tightened at ports despite the incident. the pm says there have been fewer prison escapes under the tory government . under the tory government. >> something like 4000 more prison officers than there were

in 2017. and with regard to the labour party who posed a question, again, the facts show that during their 13 years in office there were ten times the number of escaped prisoners than you've seen in the 13 years of conservative led government. but we're doing everything we can to find this person. and as i said, if anyone has any information, please do contact the police . please do contact the police. >> well, leader sir keir >> well, labour leader sir keir starmer says the government is totally at fault for this most recent incident. think we now recent incident. i think we now know that we're already some pretty reports into wandsworth health issues about staffing , health issues about staffing, issues about buildings and that's a pattern of behaviour. >> now under this government, whether it's this prison or other prisons or other infrastructure across the country. and you know, it certainly hasn't helped that in the last ten years we've had ten justice secretaries and i know from my time as director of pubuc from my time as director of public prosecutions just how important stability is when it comes to criminal justice. >> a police investigation is

being launched into dozens of baby deaths and injuries at nottingham university hospitals. nhs trust more than 1700 families were part of an independent review of maternity care at you, which was led by donna ockenden , an the senior donna ockenden, an the senior midwife led a similar investigation at the shrewsbury and telford hospital. nhs trust . the prime minister is facing another by—election following the resignation of his former deputy chief whip, chris pincher , the mp for tamworth made the decision after losing an appeal against an eight week suspension over groping allegations in a statement, mr pincher said he didn't want uncertainty for his constituents as he sent his resignation letter to the chancellor, jeremy hunt . chancellor, jeremy hunt. >> this was a situation that needed to be resolved and now we know the way forward and we will put forward a very strong candidate from the conservative party who will help attract investment and jobs to staffordshire and to the wider region. and that's what we'll be

campaigning on. >> the uk is rejoining the european union's £85 billion science research programme horizon. the move follows months of negotiations with a bespoke agreement signed off with the eu research will be able to apply for grants to take part in honzon for grants to take part in horizon projects until the programme ends in 2027. uk had been excluded from the scheme because of a disagreement over the northern ireland protocol. this is gb news across the uk on tv. in your car, on digital radio and of course on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get straight back to . nigel back to. nigel >> good evening. well, famous prison escapes. i think of george blake getting out of prison in london and finishing up in the soviet union , for up in the soviet union, for whom, of course, he'd worked. ronnie biggs famously getting out the wall at wandsworth out over the wall at wandsworth using a rope ladder and finishing up on a beach in

brazil . and for many years and brazil. and for many years and maybe this khalifa escape, maybe it'll go down in history as one of those. what have we learnt today? well, we've learnt that there was strapping underneath there was strapping underneath the delivery van so clearly, clearly , lee, this guy was not clearly, lee, this guy was not working. danny khalifa was not working. danny khalifa was not working on his own. that i think is pretty clear. and there is the most gigantic manhunt going on. in fact, the m20 this morning heading south in kent was virtually closed for several hours . but i was virtually closed for several hours. but i think was virtually closed for several hours . but i think what we're hours. but i think what we're going to do this evening with my guests who know more about this subject than i do is talk about the state our prisons , what the state of our prisons, what they've to , and they've actually come to, and perhaps gives us an perhaps that gives us an explanation in for why this escape has happened. is this yet another symptom of broken britain? please give me your thoughts as farage at gb news dot com. well, i'm joined by danny shaw, crime and policing commentator and of course, former bbc home affairs editor and mark johnson , former and mark johnson, former

prisoner and founder of the young offenders charity user voice danny, we were talking before the show about another famous prisoner escape back in the 1990s. >> yes , there were two prison >> yes, there were two prison escapes in the 1990s, actually, and they led to a massive increase in security in prisons. one of them was in 1991 when two ira prisoners escaped from brixton an they managed to get guns. brixton an they managed to get guns . they held brixton an they managed to get guns. they held a prison brixton an they managed to get guns . they held a prison officer guns. they held a prison officer hostage and they made their way out of the prison and then to the republic of ireland. and then in 1994, six prisoners escaped from whitemoor , which escaped from whitemoor, which was quite a new prison , meant to was quite a new prison, meant to be a kind of maximum security jail. they got out. michael howard was the home secretary at the time. huge question marks over his handling of it over him and his handling of it and and actually since and so on. and actually since then, prison escapes have become something of a rarity. so we shouldn't jump on this and say, oh, this is a trend in terms of prison escapes. it's not it's not. no. but what it does show, i think, nigel, is some wider underlying issues in prisons

that could damage security and compromise security . compromise security. >> now, this chap was an army officer. he ex—army officer, ex—army officer suspected. now we hear her of being a for spy iran . and yet i've never heard iran. and yet i've never heard of this bloke. i mean , was it of this bloke. i mean, was it because of the official secrets act that we didn't know much about this guy and who he perhaps was? >> i don't think that's the reason he did appear court. reason he did appear in court. there was, i think, some reporting when he was charged with offences under the official secrets act and also terrorism offences as well . but he wasn't offences as well. but he wasn't sort of, i would say necessarily a top grade terrorist story in terms of news values and so on. something that's interesting and certainly when it when it comes to trial, if it comes to trial in november, i'm sure there would have been a lot of reporting around it. when reporting around it. then when more details can emerge. but i don't think was reported at don't think it was reported at the that he was accused and

the time that he was accused and allegedly of gathering information iran. it was information for iran. it was because that would have an enemy state. but iran wasn't actually revealed at moment. revealed at that moment. >> mean, an officer , >> no, i mean, an army officer, potentially a spy for iran, would have been a very major news story. >> yes, absolutely. and that i think that whole dimension to it raised his further questions as to why he was in wandsworth prison, which is a category b prison. now, category b is the second tier of security . second tier of security. >> so you would have thought he'd have been in belmarsh then, wouldn't you? >> would have thought he'd in >> would have thought he'd be in a prison. someone a category, a prison. someone accused of terrorism offences, offences under the official secrets act. i'm really surprised that he wasn't. there was assessment carried was a risk assessment carried out. apparently, according to was a risk assessment carried out.justiceently, according to was a risk assessment carried out.justice secretaryrding to was a risk assessment carried out.justice secretary ding to was a risk assessment carried out.justice secretary , alex to the justice secretary, alex chalk. clearly the review chalk. and clearly the review that's now looking at was that risk assessment thoroughly done? was it properly done ? did it was it properly done? did it take all the factors into account? because if that assessment came up short, as it appears now, that he should have beenin appears now, that he should have been in a high security prison, that's serious failing keir that's very serious failing keir starmer making a political

point, but quite a fair one. >> think that there have been >> i think that there have been ten justice secretaries in almost years and that almost as many years and that what ministry needs is what any ministry needs is a degree of stability. danny sure . how would you assess the state of our prisons at this moment in time? >> i think they're in a parlous state. nigel and it's really gone under the radar. you know, unless there's a prison riot or a murder in prison or an escape, we don't really get interested in prisons. we try and think of them as sort of fair. in prisons. we try and think of them as sort of fair . they're them as sort of fair. they're over there, they're locked up. you know, we don't really care if the conditions aren't very good, if aren't enough good, if there aren't enough staff. sort staff. but you know, until sort of compromised and of security is compromised and someone's the loose, you someone's on the loose, you shouldn't suddenly someone's on the loose, you shouldrare suddenly someone's on the loose, you shouldrare getting suddenly someone's on the loose, you shouldrare getting interested people are getting interested and they should be because the population is going up and up and up and people might say, well, that's fine, i don't mind the prison population going up. but aren't enough but there aren't enough spaces for and there aren't for prisoners and there aren't enough staff. one stat you, enough staff. one stat for you, the prison population is about 1500 higher now than it was in 2010. but the number of staff is

down by 5000 since then. overall, strong stuff. >> mark johnson the state of hmp wandsworth . what is what is the wandsworth. what is what is the situation , to your knowledge, in situation, to your knowledge, in that prison? >> well, you've got a prison that was built in 1851 for 950 prisoners. it currently housing 1600 prisoners. wow over half are unemployed . odd, you know, are unemployed. odd, you know, and the rest are locked up for over 22 hours a day. so you've got quite a dismal figure. and the worrying thing about the whole of this response is we're polarised onto this escapee. there's been sort of, what, five since 2017, which is almost nothing really. it's almost nothing really. it's almost nothing . i mean, it's serious, nothing. i mean, it's serious, but it's almost nothing compared to police custody and caught absconding , etcetera. what the absconding, etcetera. what the bigger figure is like, you've got 7000 people that are getting 7000 recalls this year . and two

7000 recalls this year. and two thirds of which are for sort of not turning up to appointments, etcetera, in probation. so that's clogging up this whole the whole sort of prison numbers unnecessarily so. and what this is going to do is respond to more security and more regime, more security and more regime, more more restricted regimes when actually not really addressing the problem of how do we stop people committing the offences on release . offences on release. >> yeah, no, sure. and i know you're doing a lot of work and vital work in that area. so we have a that is hugely have a prison that is hugely overpopulated old, some say not in a particularly clean situation either. disgusting disgusting. yeah. we've got reduction . in the number of reduction. in the number of prison officers. the point that danny makes and i don't want i had an widdecombe on the show last night, you know and anne who was the minister with responsibility for prisons , responsibility for prisons, saying how earth could this saying how on earth could this have prison? but have happened in a prison? but you begin to understand it you begin to understand how it might happened, you ?

might have happened, don't you? >> absolutely. since 2012, they decimated the staffing numbers. they decimated the regime that's across prison and probation . and across prison and probation. and it's like a this revolving door that's occurring now. you know, london is something like the probation service is 130% overcapacity. they're not seeing like quite dangerous and volatile. people and so what we've turned prisons into is literally warehouses . yeah. literally warehouses. yeah. >> in the last hour, the metropolitan police have released a picture of the delivery van that was used for the escape. and there it is . and the escape. and there it is. and you can see the name of the commercial company on the side . commercial company on the side. there's 150 officers working on this. it wasn't a small delivery van, was it? my goodness gracious me. no, mark, it's interesting. danny the point you made, i think it's a fair one, actually. we don't talk about prisons ever. i mean, people like mark are campaigning full time on them and try to prevent re—offending and good for him. but you're right. the national debate, we never talk about prisons unless something goes wrong . yeah. do you think if the

wrong. yeah. do you think if the prisons are you use the word parlous and we talked about disgusting conditions in prisons . do you think this is something that might become a political issue ahead of the next general election or will it just disappear again? >> i think it depends a little bit on whether this this guy is caught because alex chalk, the justice secretary, said he will be caught. was very confident be caught. he was very confident about can be that confident? >> how can he be that confident? >> how can he be that confident? >> unless he's got some >> well, unless he's got some inside information or i don't know. i mean, the chances are he will be caught out. but if he isn't , that to be isn't, that is going to be something that come back something that will come back and haunt him at. and, you know, particularly if there are further problems in prisons at the moment, because it's not just loss of staff, it's the just the loss of staff, it's the loss of experience because that you cannot replace. okay? you can get numbers . yeah. but those can get numbers. yeah. but those years of experience , that jail years of experience, that jail craft, the understanding of when something's not quite right, when looking a bit when someone's looking a bit shifty or unsettled and, shifty or a bit unsettled and, you know, that kind of thing comes experience.

comes with experience. you cannot get someone in and cannot just get someone in and train them up for a couple of weeks put and expect train them up for a couple of weeksto put and expect train them up for a couple of weeksto putthat and expect train them up for a couple of weeksto putthat because pect train them up for a couple of weeksto putthat because they them to learn that because they can't. prisoners are very can't. and prisoners are very good advantage that. >> e-n e we'll i mean, >> well, we'll see. i mean, peter the former met peter bleksley, the former met cop, says, no, no, he's out of the country already. and if the iranians involved, who iranians were involved, who knows? have taken knows? he might have been taken off plane off to a private plane somewhere. i mean, we don't know. it's all speculate on what we mark johnson, is we do know. mark johnson, is that prisons are a that our prisons are in a terrible state, an awful morale with in the prison service, huge turnover over up to 1 in 7, resigning every year. the point you were making earlier, danny, about the lack of experience . about the lack of experience. yes. how do we get mark johnson a broader conversation about prisons, prisoners? >> i think we need like the pubuc >> i think we need like the public really to demand it from the political environment and for the last 20 years since i've been working in this space, it's been working in this space, it's been short duration politics that has taken like a veneer of being tough on crime and, you know, and rehabilitation revolution and, you know , all of revolution and, you know, all of these little inventions . we need

these little inventions. we need to stop that. we need to stop politicians using it as like a political potato football. sorry you know, and until we do, we're always going to keep having the same i mean, the figures around the increase in deaths in custody, there's 315 people that have died . 88 are suicide time have died. 88 are suicide time frame this last year. good lord. so so 60,000 self—harm incidents for both men and women. 2000 self—harm incidents in women's prison. you know, these are the figures we had yesterday, a german court refusing to sell an albanian drug dealer back because they are really aware of these conditions. >> well, gentlemen, thank you, both of you, for joining me. and it is, you know, as both of our guests have pointed out, it is a very important subject. it's been highlight covid by this escape. but folks at home, my guessis escape. but folks at home, my guess is between now and the general election , i don't think general election, i don't think much will happen. i suspect the noise may well die down,

especially if this guy caught especially if this guy is caught and we'll go on with deteriorate ing prison conditions is my guess. let's hope that i'm wrong in a moment, a concern of liberal conservative think tank is putting forward a solution to how we deal with the asylum system. i'm going to go through that report line by line with its author in just one moment. well, say line by line

been you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> what are your thoughts on whether not just this escapee from wandsworth, but the state of our prisons is another symptom of broken britain? some of your feedback , matthew says of your feedback, matthew says it's clear to me that sunak can't keep anyone in and that he can't keep anyone in and that he can't keep anyone out of the uk . a perfect reference for failure for david says a prisoner has escaped. yes but

hundreds of potential criminals are coming into the country every day with no checks on their identity . well, well their identity. well, well david, that's strong stuff, but you're quite right. we have no idea who almost all of these young men are . and that does young men are. and that does pose a national security risk. a mick says britain is broken, but prison escapes are rare . under prison escapes are rare. under the tories, labour were worse off when they were in power, not looking good for the future. mick i'm not sure we can say that prison breaks are a labour or conservative problem . i'm or conservative problem. i'm myself now . wow. another calm myself now. wow. another calm day in the english channel. some more footage about to appear on your screen of scenes from dover harbour this morning and it's a pretty consistent flow at the moment. three, 400, 500 people coming pretty much every single day. the big number, 872 achieved earlier in the week. and people are scrabbling around hard and desperately looking for solutions , including, of course, solutions, including, of course, the government who keep having

some real trouble with the courts. well, a proposal that has been put on the table today from some bright blue, an independent think tank and its chief executive , ryan chief executive, ryan shorthouse, joins me. and you describe yourself as sort of the liberal wing of the conservative movement . so you've got four liberal wing of the conservative movement. so you've got four big recommendations that you're putting forward to try and deal with this . and it's a problem with this. and it's a problem thatis with this. and it's a problem that is making a lot of people in the country very, very angry indeed and posing a massive political threat to the conservatives at the next election . is that part of your election. is that part of your thinking that by doing these by doing these things , it would doing these things, it would help your party? well well, i agree with you that, you know , a agree with you that, you know, a record number asylum seekers record number of asylum seekers came in 2022. >> it's, i think around 70,000 estimated, making a claim that's totally unsustainable . and a lot totally unsustainable. and a lot of those people about 50,000 of them made dangerous journeys across the channel. that's not good for the country and it's

not good for those people because they're risking their lives . so the question is, how lives. so the question is, how do bring number down? do we bring that number down? and the government is obviously implemented. the illegal migration act, and they want to detain and deport nearly all migrants . migrants. >> yes, but it's not going to happen because the courts will never allow it because of our echr obligations. >> well, actually, i think the main problem with it is , is that main problem with it is, is that the detention capacity in this country is under 5000. and we're talking about 70,000 people coming. so and we're not going to be able to deport all of those people, including to rwanda, where the agreement is only about migrants. okay. only about 1000 migrants. okay. so unrealistic to assume so it's unrealistic to assume that all of these people will be detained and deported. so the question is, what do we do about it? so i think we need control and compassion. so my own view is that there needs to be some legal and safe routes for people who are not from particular countries. so at the moment, ukraine and afghanistan can you can come through resettlement

routes , but we know there are routes, but we know there are countries like iran, for example , which about a third of all asylum seekers coming into the uk come from, which is dangerous country. you know, perhaps the resettlement scheme which a branch of the un does, where it selects people, may be we should set a quota for that in the uk to allow people who don't come from afghanistan an and to ukraine come through that route. >> i mean, and by the way, that that route , the quota we don't that route, the quota we don't have that which is unlike the us, the canada and australia, they do have a quota. what what sort of numbers are you talking about ? about? >> well, for example, we had , i >> well, for example, we had, i think about 5000 come through that route in 2019. you know , i that route in 2019. you know, i wouldn't i don't know, a kind of set number that they should do, but it should be in line with other countries. but isn't there a route. a problem? that's one route. >> isn't a problem here? >> but isn't it a problem here? even have safe and legal even if you have safe and legal routes? yeah. and people can apply, know, not in this

apply, you know, not in this country, elsewhere for country, but elsewhere for a visa to come in because we think they've got a justifiable refugee that's what refugee claim. yeah. that's what you're . fine. but you're proposing. fine. but that doesn't stop the boats coming. >> right. okay so it won't. and i think, you know, we're not going to be able to stop the boats completely. but we can reduce them. and i think one part that working part of that is working with france make that france more to make sure that they intercept before they they intercept boats before they come . we don't have a come over. we don't have a pushback, a maritime pushback policy which the us and greece have. the royal navy won't do that in this . that in this. >> greece do implement a pushback policy , albeit that end pushback policy, albeit that end of the mediterranean in tens to be as flat as this table doesn't have big tides. be as flat as this table doesn't have big tides . so the risk to have big tides. so the risk to potential migrant is far less. also warmer water temperatures, you know, push back in the engush you know, push back in the english channel. we would lose a lot of people, wouldn't we? >> well , i lot of people, wouldn't we? >> well, i presume the royal navy are not intercepting for safety reasons, is one part of

it. the other is no returns policy with another country. but i think really at the heart of it, germany and france have many more asylum claims than we do. but because they process them quicker because of the mediterranean , because of the mediterranean, because of the mediterranean, because of the mediterranean, they mediterranean, you know, they haven't more haven't chosen to have more asylum claims. >> because of the >> it's because of the mediterranean one, because of the policy of processing, but the eu policy of processing, but processing is interesting. now we've heard stories . i can't we've heard stories. i can't believe they're true . even if believe they're true. even if eight out of ten civil servants are working from home this week given weather. but but we've given the weather. but but we've heard stories that asylum caseworkers in the home office processing one claim a week. is that actually true ? that actually true? >> i don't know. but i do know it's a problem in the uk that we don't process claims as quick as they germany and france they do in germany and france and actually acceptance and actually our acceptance rate. i think quite high. so rate. i think is quite high. so i think suella braverman, the home secretary , really needs to home secretary, really needs to be a on that . be getting a grip on that. processing claims much quicker and that our reject and making sure that our reject rate is in line with our international. >> well, that's interesting because because albania, 50% of

people from albania in the last couple of years have had their asylum claims accept id. unbelievable. i mean, we've got a country that's an applicant country to the european union's a holiday destination , whereas a holiday destination, whereas in germany it was zero. in france it was about 13. i think so i mean, you could say one solution to it is to just let everybody stay. but the real problem here and the real problem here and the real problem with the boats, i think is when people are rejected. we're not deporting them, are we? >> well, that's a really good point. and i in no in 2018, i think there were about 8000 rejections, but only about 1200 removals. and the reason for that, some people say it's the european convention which is doing that. i actually think it's because there is returns it's because there is no returns agreement in place with some countries. so very countries. so it's very difficult remove difficult to remove those people. also so we don't have id cards in this country. so it's very to track where some very hard to track where some people go. so i think we need to be revisiting the id cards.

>> i've i've filmed for gb news them chucking their mobile phones, an id into the english channel. so how does id card solve it? >> well, i mean , i'm not a kind >> well, i mean, i'm not a kind of technical expert, but i do think if we better think that we if we have better tracking they tracking of people and they wouldn't in the system wouldn't get lost in the system and the black economy, i think that would would be that would be that would be something be quite good. >> well, good. » wen, >> well, we put tags on some of them they just cut off. them and they just cut them off. >> the other thing, >> i mean, the other thing, which think we need to think which i think we need to think about policy. so about is the rwanda policy. so we've polling and the we've done some polling and the uk public are supportive of deporting rwanda, but deporting people to rwanda, but only their asylum claim has only when their asylum claim has been kind of, been heard. so it's a kind of, you due process. yes, you know, due process. yes, because don't want to put because people don't want to put everybody same category, everybody in the same category, basically hear them send rejected rwanda. rejected people to rwanda. >> yes. >> ea- ea— 5 would then because , >> and that would then because, like i said, there's 8000 people in 2018 who got rejected. claims only 1000 were removed. if we had this agreement with rwanda, let's send the failed asylum seekers to that safe country. >> and we do have an agreement. and the problem is at the heart of what you're saying is of much of what you're saying is a deal with the french, isn't

it? >> yeah, i think there needs to be. the french need to be. you know, the french need to be. you know, the french need to be to better intercept be equipped to better intercept it work with them it and we need to work with them on that. and then look at on that. and then let's look at some pushback policies some maritime pushback policies as but won't do it, if >> but if they won't do it, if they sign a deal, well, they won't sign a deal, well, it's about good diplomacy and i know you're not massive know that you're not a massive fan but he does fan of rishi sunak, but he does seem getting improved seem to be getting improved diplomacy for diplomacy in some things for example, the windsor framework. diplomacy in some things for exa i |ple, the windsor framework. diplomacy in some things for exa i |ple, tknowndsor framework. diplomacy in some things for exa i |ple, tknow if sor framework. diplomacy in some things for exa i |ple, tknow if you framework. diplomacy in some things for exa i |ple, tknow if you supported >> i don't know if you supported that, seems and the that, but he's seems and the honzon that, but he's seems and the horizon recently he seems to be when you give in works amazing. >> lee well ryan would agree to disagree points you disagree, but the points you make very interesting . and make are very interesting. and part an important part of this an important part of well, in of this debate. well, in a moment , of this debate. well, in a moment, we're going to come back to ryan's point in moment. to ryan's point in a moment. we're discuss horizon. we're going to discuss horizon. i mean, you'd have thought listening to the bbc this morning, it was the second coming of our saviour. but it's all of the windsor all because of the windsor framework. in a moment, all because of the windsor frametalk(. in a moment, all because of the windsor frametalk about in a moment, all because of the windsor frametalk about in a nofnent, we'll talk about some of the practical applications in northern ireland that are very bad rishi i you're bad news. rishi i hope you're watching

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radio . the windsor framework. radio. the windsor framework. >> yes, good for britain . apsa >> yes, good for britain. apsa subliming lutely. that's what the prime minister told us. and it's because we signed up to the windsor framework we've windsor framework that we've been to been allowed for the eu to rejoin the horizon programme . rejoin the horizon programme. but is the windsor framework all that it's cracked up to be? well, yesterday, just before pmqs, the last question in the house was asked by dup mp ian paisley . paisley. >> paisley thank you, mr speaken >> paisley thank you, mr speaker. with regards to veterinary medicines , i fear the veterinary medicines, i fear the minister's son optimism may be somewhat misplayed , lest, after somewhat misplayed, lest, after all, his preferred stakeholder, mr bernard von gotham, the director general of food sustainability , has made it sustainability, has made it abundantly clear to defra and to the uk government that the negotiations on this matter are, in his words , over the deal is in his words, over the deal is done. there will be no change to veterinary sciences. this means insulin will no longer be

available in northern ireland for animals. veterinary medicines against botulism , of medicines against botulism, of which there are around 144,000 issued last year , will no longer issued last year, will no longer be available. what does the secretary of state and the minister are to going do about this ? this? >> mr speaker, the honourable gentleman has presented with gentleman has presented me with information about which was information about which i was not beforehand . certainly not aware beforehand. certainly happy to look at what's been said, but what i would say to him is that the prime minister, my right honourable friend, the prime minister, the deal prime minister, did the deal which said could done. which no one said could be done. that with european relationship with the european union i am confident union and i am confident therefore be able therefore that we will be able to deal on veterinary to deliver a deal on veterinary medicines owns. but as we sometimes say, i don't recognise the information presented . the information he's presented. it's me and i shall be it's new to me and i shall be glad to look at it. but we will certainly deliver a deal i >> william paisley joins me now . ian, why did the minister not recognise the information you put before him? well, i think kindest explanation is that he wasn't across his brief. >> i've been going on about this from this was in the from day one. this was in the windsor framework. i said to the prime doesn't

windsor framework. i said to the prime you've doesn't windsor framework. i said to the prime you've got doesn't windsor framework. i said to the primeyou've got fixzsn't windsor framework. i said to the primeyou've got fix it1't windsor framework. i said to the primeyou've got fix it .t windsor framework. i said to the primeyou've got fix it . and work. you've got to fix it. and i've been told there's a grace penod i've been told there's a grace period this is because and period and this is because and you're talking here about livestock, right? >> about chickens >> we're talking about chickens , talking about , cows. we're talking about northern huge northern ireland being a huge agricultural i mean, in fact, i mean, you feed a fair bit of the mainland. well, with 20,000 farms, 7 million people farms, we feed 7 million people here in gb. >> there's about uk's food security . the rules that they've security. the rules that they've brought in means that vaccines to deal botulism , to deal to deal with botulism, to deal with salmonella, we will no longer use them. why? longer be able to use them. why? because the eu has decided that you have your own class you must have your own class of certification or certification for pharmaceutical products for the eu. there's uk certification which they will not recognise. northern ireland, the no man's land of the eu must have its own certification. i have one of the certs here and this will cost millions of pounds to put in place to have a completely separate process separate certification process for a market that's not big enough. 5, 5% of the pharmaceutical companies for the government. >> so fine, i can see the threat that you're talking about. and,

you know, we all know that the windsor framework was considered to be a political necessity by this government and that northern ireland has been, i think no man's land actually describes what politically where northern ireland is pretty accurately . are there amendments accurately. are there amendments or compromise pieces to the windsor framework? are they possible or not? because we heard at the time , that's it, heard at the time, that's it, boys and girls done and dusted. it's all over. surely on practical areas like this we can find some compromise. well this has to be fine. >> that's why i've been raising it for the last number of months. but the government tells us there can be no movement on any windsor any part of the windsor framework. but hang on, we've got period now. they framework. but hang on, we've got to period now. they framework. but hang on, we've got to think riod now. they framework. but hang on, we've got to think the now. they framework. but hang on, we've got to think the grace they framework. but hang on, we've got to think the grace period seem to think the grace period means when it comes to an seem to think the grace period meain when it comes to an seem to think the grace period meain 2025,vhen it comes to an seem to think the grace period meain 2025, everything|es to an seem to think the grace period meain 2025, everything goes an seem to think the grace period meaito?025, everything goes an seem to think the grace period meaito britain'srything goes an seem to think the grace period meaito britain's advantage.; an back to britain's advantage. it doesn't the has made it doesn't it? the eu has made it clear that once grace period clear that once the grace period ends, no more ends, there's no more negotiations and it goes to the european regulations. we're european regulations. so we're trapped in regulations that trapped in eu regulations that we make and have no say we do not make and have no say over and destroy our over and will destroy our industry. you like a good boiled

egg in the morning? you know what? absolutely 85% of all of the eggs that we make in northern ireland come to gb. the eggs that we make in northill ireland come to gb. the eggs that we make in northill cease.i come to gb. the eggs that we make in northill cease. so me to gb. the eggs that we make in northill cease. so that's gb. the eggs that we make in northill cease. so that's our that will cease. so that's our market decimate. so a compromise must be where the eggs come must be where will the eggs come from, ireland or from, the republic of ireland or from, the republic of ireland or from holland from somewhere from holland or from somewhere else? come from us. else? they won't come from us. this is our internal british market destroyed by market being destroyed by ourselves. this is wrong. >> well , better get to >> well, you better get on to steve keep on steve steve baker and keep on steve baker on chance. baker is back on chance. clearly, compromise needed. clearly, a compromise is needed. ian thank you thank ian paisley, thank you. thank you that our you for bringing that to our attention . the the attention. now the what the farage moment this government said they would absolutely said that they would absolutely make sure that children would not be allowed to change genders in schools . but the attorney in schools. but the attorney general, victoria prentis, has said overnight that that under the equality act, 2010, that was tony blair's little legacy to all of us that changing gender is a protected characteristic . is a protected characteristic. so kids who want to change gender whilst they're at school will continue to be able to do so. it's a u—turn. susan hall is the conservative candidate to take on rishi sunak and it's quite extraordinary. you know,

we've had all this talk from khan about the three day week people coming into london on tuesday, wednesday and thursday , and susan hall accepts and says the three day week is here to stay. well, i'll tell you what, susan hall, if the three day week in offices is here to stay, then canary wharf will be emptied out within a few years with disastrous consequences for the london economy . and all of the london economy. and all of this, as we learn that, according to the telegraph , according to the telegraph, who've been counting the number of civil servants going to in the big whitehall departments this week , given the weather this week, given the weather that 80% of our three of our biggest departments , it's in biggest departments, it's in whitehall, 80% have been working from home during the sunshine. and we're paying for all of this now. this is significant. this is what the farage moment eric adams is a democrat mayor in new york. this was him speaking last night about illegal migrants coming into new york. have a listen to this . listen to this. >> we're getting no support on

this national crisis and we're receiving no support. and let me tell you something, new york is neverin tell you something, new york is never in my life have i had a problem that i did not see an ending to . i don't see an ending ending to. i don't see an ending to this. i don't see an ending to this. i don't see an ending to this. i don't see an ending to this this issue will destroy new york city, destroy troy, new york city. >> did you hear that ? illegal >> did you hear that? illegal migrants turning up in new york city in large numbers. will, according to the democrat mayor, destroy new york city. he also said this problem is coming to a neighbourhood near you . now, if neighbourhood near you. now, if you think we've got a problem with the english channel, it is dwarfed by what is going on on america's southern border. and yet joe biden seems perfectly relaxed about it. and mayor khan in london just thinks we can take anyone, anyone , literally

take anyone, anyone, literally anyone that wants to come . these anyone that wants to come. these are major political issues and they're going to be huge in both britain and america over the course of the next few years . course of the next few years. one year ago tomorrow, her majesty the queen died. it was a day of immense sadness in this country and around many other parts of the world. in a moment, i'll be joined on talking points by angela levin , royal by angela levin, royal biographer, friend of many of the royal family we'll ask about the royal family we'll ask about the significance of that day on the significance of that day on the 8th of september 2022 and how the monarchy looks one year

on it's on wsfime on it's time for talking parts. now, my guest is a familiar face on gb news and of course, on many other tv stations as well . many other tv stations as well. and a prolific writer , and a prolific writer, commentator and author, especially , but not solely on especially, but not solely on the royal family. i'm delighted to be joined by angela levin.

angela, welcome. hello to talking pints. very good to see you. now . for what i can you. now. for what i can understand , you didn't have understand, you didn't have exactly the easiest of childhoods , did you? childhoods, did you? >> no, i didn't. no i was an only child. i was quite lonely and i had a very difficult mother . and the school thought mother. and the school thought i was sort of ridiculous and i was sent outside the classroom because i used to giggle too much, they said. and i was getting nowhere. and when i finished my a—levels did too. got very poor results . but they got very poor results. but they said to me, you know where you're going to end up. just washing up, doing the cleaning . washing up, doing the cleaning. so i thought they were all wrong about me. why did you struggle at school so much? >> do you think i didn't like what was going on? >> i mean, i was only bored actually , i found that it wasn't actually, i found that it wasn't for me. i didn't want to sit in a classroom and listen to somebody who wasn't terribly good telling me what to do and

all that. i mean, there were two teachers i liked, but i wasn't suhed teachers i liked, but i wasn't suited really for school. i often tell a friends who've got children who and i said, don't worry about university. if it doesn't suit you, it doesn't matter. don't worry . you know, matter. don't worry. you know, you've got to find where your bit is. and my bit is people i know yours is as well. and i wanted to know all sorts of people, the royal people . i used people, the royal people. i used to go to buckingham palace on a sunday afternoon and look to see if the queen might come out and invite me for that's when i invite me for tea. that's when i was this obsession started was very this obsession started a long, long time. very a long, long time. i was very small at and i and i loved i was fascinated by that. i was fascinated by that. i was fascinated by that. i was fascinated by ordinary people. i fascinated by ordinary people. i fascinated by ordinary people. i fascinated by people who had nothing. i wanted to know . i nothing. i wanted to know. i always felt i was doing puzzles where i had to put bits of people together and then come to a conclusion what they like . i a conclusion what they like. i like to dig deep, but it's a big leap, isn't it, from from, you know, the young woman who's left school who hasn't done very well, who's been told she's not

going to achieve much in her life , but who has interests . life, but who has interests. >> yes, it's quite a big leap. how does how does angela, how does the 18 year old angela levin develop from here career wise ? what do you. well, i know wise? what do you. well, i know you clearly want to cast off what you've been by the teachers. >> yes, well, i don't believe them. you see that? luckily. >> had self confidence? >> so you had self confidence? >> so you had self confidence? >> yes, i thought, you know, i might perfect, i've >> yes, i thought, you know, i miga: perfect, i've >> yes, i thought, you know, i miga strength )erfect, i've >> yes, i thought, you know, i miga strength of fect, i've >> yes, i thought, you know, i miga strength of character've >> yes, i thought, you know, i miga strength of character and got a strength of character and i had to do a typing thing and shorthand course , which nearly shorthand course, which nearly killed me because it was so bonng. killed me because it was so boring . and then i went sent out boring. and then i went sent out by an agency to write labels and write envelopes and fold things up . and i thought that 18 i was up. and i thought that 18 i was finished. i hopeless . couldn't finished. i hopeless. couldn't do anything. then one day the agency rang me up and said, would you go to the observer, former editor of the magazine , former editor of the magazine, and need someone to help? because his assistant is unwell? so i went there and within a few

minutes i thought, these are my people. these are what i'm interested . there's so much life interested. there's so much life there. there's humour and constant oration. anyway, i worked incredibly hard for two weeks and then they said , right, weeks and then they said, right, thank you very much. cheerio so i gathered my confidence and i went in to see the editor and i said, you know, i really want to work here. is there not anything 7 work here. is there not anything ? so he said, all right, well, go and sit in the desk where the features is and we'll see features editor is and we'll see what you can do. we'll see. so i was going to do a monday to friday. the features editor was doing tuesdays a saturday. i came in big drawing on my desk of a man in a suit with lines coming off and it said the worst suit in the world. and he said, let me know what you think of this . i let me know what you think of this. i didn't know if i could go out of the building or stay there. and i decided i would go out. i crept out. i went along to the west end and i went to every suit shop and i said, can

you help me? what do i do? and i tried to smile nicely and be all sweet and charming. and so they gave me lots and lots of things that i could do. came back, typed came in on tuesday typed it. he came in on tuesday and well , what typed it. he came in on tuesday and well, what do you and said, well, what do you think? i said, well, here it is. what you mean, here is? what do you mean, here it is? you said, well, you know, i said, well, i finished he said, what? and finished it. he said, what? and he grabbed it. he looked, he walked slammed door. walked out, slammed the door. i thought out there. yeah, thought i'd be out there. yeah, yeah away. back yeah. straight away. came back after an hour and said , we after half an hour and said, we want to give you a contract and you stay here. we want you to be here. and they put it on the front of cover of the of the magazine and a double spread inside found angela. >> you'd found the thing you were good at. >> found what i was good at. >> i found what i was good at. i think a lot of people go through life don't the life and perhaps don't find the thing at. thing they're good at. >> but you did find was >> but you did find i was looking hard. >> see, i wouldn't accept >> you see, i wouldn't accept anything good. anything that wasn't so good. but letting me but then they started letting me speak people for speak to famous people for a paragraph where the holiday was on they came in one on that and they came in one day. this deputy editor, and said, , donald sutherland said, look, donald sutherland has done a new film and all

has just done a new film and all the people have gone, do you mind ? would you mind going to mind? would you mind going to talk to him? but he's very, very difficult. if he tells you to get lost, don't worry. that's what does all the time. so what he does all the time. so i crept to a smart hotel in mayfair. there he was behind times magazine . i went up, times magazine. i went up, looked over, and he said, hello , hello. and we talked for 2.5 hours as and i wrote that up. and then i got a column to interview well—known people, royals as actresses , as people royals as actresses, as people who'd been accused of being lost, a child all that sort of thing . and so i know. thing. and so i know. >> and you flourished and flourished and you haven't. but you haven't just done reporting. you've written an awful lot of books. and i was interested to see you'd written a book on see if you'd written a book on wormwood the prison. wormwood scrubs, the prison. yes. sort of yes. i just wondered, sort of how you reacted to this news of this escape. how you reacted to this news of thiswell, escape. how you reacted to this news of thiswell, i escape. how you reacted to this news of thiswell, i thoughta. how you reacted to this news of thiswell, i thought i'd been to >> well, i thought i'd been to that prison , and i felt that that prison, and i felt that i wasn't surprised because they haven't got enough people there looking after them and they are

scared of the prisoners and they everything about it now is too terrible. i was , as a lay terrible. i was, as a lay inspector for ten years and i used to have meetings with the man who ran it. and all sorts of things. and i did it because i'm a workaholic. so i wanted to find out what makes people at the bottom of the pile. why do they do this? what's happened to them? what's been the thing they've got in common? and a lot of them have had mothers of 16, 15 and don't want to know and they're not interested in them going to school or they have their boyfriends and one of them said to me as soon as she got a new boyfriend, she threw me out. it was on the street since i was 12. and you hear their story, his fascinating his and they were fascinating for me. and it was fine for ten years. and then they cut the money that they were giving to the and the food for the the prison and the food for the prisoners was disgusting in an 999 prisoners was disgusting in an egg cup, they had beans and lots of bread. i didn't think that

was a decent meal . and so was a decent meal. and so i complained and they got cross with me. the government . well, i with me. the government. well, i said i wrote a book. oh, yeah? >> well, perhaps they should have listened, given the state the prisons are in now. but angela, one of the books you've the prisons are in now. but angel a one of the books you've the prisons are in now. but angel a oneof: the books you've the prisons are in now. but angel a oneof time books you've the prisons are in now. but angel a oneof time on�*ks you've the prisons are in now. but angel a oneof time on wasou've the prisons are in now. but angel a oneof time on was thee spent a lot of time on was the book prince harry. yes, 15 book on prince harry. yes, 15 months on off. you meet him months on and off. you meet him and when was fun and popular. >> he was fun and he was charming. he was lovely. and he had mother's sense of had his mother's sense of deaung had his mother's sense of dealing were dealing with people who were mentally , physically ill, mentally ill, physically ill, and he was really seemed to love it. he seemed very happy. he said he adored his grandmother. yeah, he said that william and he were so close that nobody could understand what they'd been through. he loved his father and all those things , of father and all those things, of course, changed when a certain person came along. yeah. >> no , absolutely. and he's back >> no, absolutely. and he's back in the country today . yes. but in the country today. yes. but he's come without that certain person called meghan. and he's not going to see, even though it's the anniversary of the queen's death tomorrow, he's not

going to see the family at all. no. >> but quite frankly, he if you have a father who is a king or very important, you have to book the time. well before, don't you? you can't just ring up and say, look, tomorrow , can you say, look, tomorrow, can you squeeze me in for an hour ? yeah. squeeze me in for an hour? yeah. i mean, he would have known that he couldn't do that. and it's very arrogant if he didn't. but also, you know , king charles is also, you know, king charles is in scotland at the moment. yeah. so it's not that he doesn't necessarily want to see him. it's just with all this, it must be very emotional. he adored king charles, adored his mother. it frightened at the beginning . it frightened at the beginning. >> but yeah, well, what a huge day was, wasn't it? huge day it was, wasn't it? yes, huge day it was, wasn't it? yes, huge day . day. >> it was. and i don't think he wants somebody moaning, coming in saying , look, i want wants somebody moaning, coming in saying, look, i want an in and saying, look, i want an apology this and that and apology for this and that and the other. and something else you not right you know, and not the right time. the right time. >> no, it was those days, the ten days after the queen's death in the run up to the funeral was quite extra ordinary. and. and you know, a world looking in at

a country that could still do things and do things incredibly well. and i think the same went for the coronation as well. and i just wonder, as somebody who spent this time chronicling spent all this time chronicling the royals so that the rest of us can understand it, a year on, the monarchy is doing okay, isn't it ? isn't it? >> i think it's doing very well . i think well, the numbers of people who are for it has gone up . i don't think you expect up. i don't think you expect young people to 18 and 24 to want a monarchy. they couldn't care less. really? yeah but i think that king charles has taken it on slowly and gradually. he's made no change to the queen's basic views. he believes in the things that she believed in because we were worried about some political aspects, that he would be very bossy and he would want to change everything. i've waited bossy and he would want to chathese verything. i've waited bossy and he would want to chathese years. ng. i've waited bossy and he would want to chathese years. i]. i've waited bossy and he would want to chathese years. i don't waited bossy and he would want to chathese years. i don't wanted all these years. i don't want this. don't want that. but this. i don't want that. but he's gone quietly and he's not. he's gone quietly and gently , but quite firmly as well gently, but quite firmly as well . and i think with the company

of queen camilla, who you're a big fan of, aren't you? >> yes, i am a big fan of her. >> spent a year with her, wrote her biography, which came out at the end of last year. and ed, she's one of those people that the more with her, the the more you're with her, the more like her. and actually, the more you're with her, the more is like her. and actually, the more you're with her, the more is incredibly. and actually, the more you're with her, the more is incredibly fascinating.ly, what is incredibly fascinating for me is when a couple have been together for a long time, um, when he came back for something that she was involved with, she had a party sort of thing, which i was invited to and he didn't know if he could make it or not. and he came in really fast. she looked at him , really fast. she looked at him, he looked at her. and this was only after covid. smile only after covid. and the smile they gave each other was so lovely. it was so touching. it wasn't for show off. it was real. it was just lovely because they were pleased to see each other. >> all this time he spent with them. angela levin final thought, can. the thought, if we can. do the royals you ? i remember royals trust you? i remember charles about nicholas charles saying about nicholas witchell, man . do witchell, that ghastly man. do the royals trust you? >> i wouldn't dream asking. >> i wouldn't dream of asking. that's think they

that's how do you think they trust well, i can't say trust you? well, i can't say that, but i'm very straightforward and that's what i can say . straightforward and that's what i can say. it's up to them whether they trust me . whether they trust me. >> well, i think they must do given given how close you've managed to be to some of them. >> but i like that. but i wouldn't be arrogant to say yes. >> no. okay. no, no. fair enough. well, angela, it's a great great inspiration great story, great inspiration to you who are to people, you know, who are being school they're no being told at school they're no blooming you've proved blooming good. you've proved them wrong. and thank you them all wrong. and thank you for talking forjoining me on talking pine. >> you much . >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> well, that's almost it from me. but of course, we have state of the nation coming up in just a moment, hosted by sirjacob rees—mogg . now, jacob, what have rees—mogg. now, jacob, what have you got for us this evening? >> well, we'll be carrying on your conversation away. we'll be talking anniversary , talking about the anniversary, the one year anniversary since the one year anniversary since the the queen and what the death of the queen and what that a constitutional that means for a constitutional monarchy she managed it monarchy. she managed to do it extraordinarily well. how does it is it difficult to

it continue? is it difficult to continue or is it, in fact , continue or is it, in fact, something that's woven into something that's so woven into the fabric of the nation that it's solid forever? >> yeah. and jacob, one year on, the king's not doing a bad job, is he? >> i think he's doing very well and he's been very good at continuing stability and the continuing the stability and the dutiful the queen personified. >> agree. he and >> and no, i agree. he and i have clashed in the past. i have to say. but hey, i've got no criticism with almost everybody. >> nigel. >> nigel. >> have clashed with >> i have clashed with everybody. right. everybody. absolutely right. jacob. the long jacob. now, it's the long weekend coming up for me. the weather, please . weather, please. >> the temperatures rising . boxt >> the temperatures rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello, it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. with the gb news forecast, just another warm night to come overnight with elevated temperatures for the time of yean temperatures for the time of year, more hot sunshine to come then into friday. not for everyone. there is a fair amount of medium and high level cloud around and there are some showers drifting north across

scotland and northern ireland overnight. most of the rain not reaching the ground. these are relatively high based showers, but could see some flashes of lightning as clears away. lightning as that clears away. then places it's dry then for most places it's dry with spells , some low with clear spells, some low cloud creeping into the east coast. but wherever you are, it's a warm night, a muggy feel. 18, 19, 20 celsius in the south, mid to high teens in the north. and that sets us off for a warm start to friday. still, some of that low cloud and mist around the east coast, but it tends to retreat during the morning to the immediate beaches and there'll be some low cloud creeping around the south western coast as well with the potential for some showers to turn up later here. otherwise, for many, it's bright skies and another hot day mid to high 20s , widely 30 or 31 celsius in the south and south—east. then into saturday, it's another warm start to the day . plenty of start to the day. plenty of sunshine from the word go, especially towards the east and the south. a change on the way,

though, for the north and northwest, northern and western scotland sees some showers and some cooler air later that spreads across the northern half of on sunday, of the country on sunday, clearing on monday , clearing elsewhere on monday, the temperatures rising . the temperatures rising. >> boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight. it's the eve of the anniversary of the death of elizabeth ii, and she was the link between the old and the modern world. a premierships began with churchill and ended with liz truss . at reign spanned with liz truss. at reign spanned seven decades. she embodied so much as good about the united kingdom duty, dignity, termination united the nation and made reigning look easy, which almost certainly wasn't. tonight we'll be discussing her legacy. today it's reported the prime minister is shelving the

ban on social gender transitioning in schools. and this coincided with the revelation that new staff guidance at great ormond street hospital has advised staff not to use terms such as boys and girls . we have to push back on girls. we have to push back on this woke agenda. civil disobedience is rife, but no, this time it's not the just stop oil brigade. the stonewalls or black lives matter activists. it's the motorists . it's it's the motorists. it's a police investigation has suggested some 2 million motorists could be dodging number plates to dodge ulez and speeding fines. ultimately we are governed by consent , speeding fines. ultimately we are governed by consent, and that consent may be breaking down. plus, a drug you've probably never heard of was given to pregnant women in the 1960s and 70s and led to children being born with severe disabilities. it's not thalidomide , it's primodos. and thalidomide, it's primodos. and today the house of commons discussed this enduring cover up state of the nation starts now .