gb news. >> hello. good afternoon. it's 3:00. welcome to gb news on tv, onune 3:00. welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua for and the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this about opinion. this show is all about opinion. it's mine , it's theirs. and of it's mine, it's theirs. and of course yours. we'll be course it's yours. we'll be debating, and at debating, discussing, and at times disagree , but no debating, discussing, and at timewill disagree , but no debating, discussing, and at timewill be disagree , but no debating, discussing, and at timewill be cancellede , but no debating, discussing, and at timewill be cancelled ., but no debating, discussing, and at timewill be cancelled . sort no one will be cancelled. so joining me in the next hour, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, an entrepreneur , matt cundy, an entrepreneur, matt fiddes, in a few moments time, i'll be mucking the week with comedian louis schaffer. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . nana

your latest news headlines. nana >> thank you and a very good afternoon from the gb news room. it's 3:00. over a thousand people have died and more than 1200 have been injured. as rescue teams dig through the rubble from an earthquake in morocco , cctv has captured the morocco, cctv has captured the moment when the earthquake measuring 6.8 magnitude struck marrakesh . the moroccan army has marrakesh. the moroccan army has been dispatched to help the search and rescue in remote areas in the atlas mountains, the epicentre of the quake. foreign secretary james cleverly says the uk is supporting british nationals in the country. one resident from casablanca says he couldn't believe what was happening . believe what was happening. >> the house rocked aggressively . everyone was scared and i was shocked and i didn't understand what was happening. i thought it was only my house that was moving because it's fragile and old. i heard people screaming, everyone went out of their homes. the street is full of people and women screaming .

people and women screaming. that's what's happened even now . people can't go back home because they're still afraid because they're still afraid because last hit , the because of the last hit, the first we didn't feel it . first hit, we didn't feel it. people can't go back to their houses they're still houses because they're still afraid because the second afraid because of the second hit. it's a seven magnitude. >> the prime minister says he's very pleased. terror suspect daniel khalif has been arrested after escaping from hmp wandsworth on wednesday . rishi wandsworth on wednesday. rishi sunak also praised efforts by the police and the public in finding him our home and secure, secure city editor mark white has more very dramatic events that ended just before 11:00 this morning in chiswick with those officers arresting daniel khalif, bringing to an end this nationwide wide manhunt that clearly has been a huge embarrassment for the prison service. >> the fact that this young man was able to get out of wandsworth prison in the first place, strapped to the underneath of a food delivery truck, he had been spotted, of

course, in wandsworth at that roundabout. that coming through yesterday. but it was really this morning in the chiswick area where multiple sightings of daniel khalifa were coming in. this time he changed his clothing to wearing a baseball cap. police were in the area in very significant numbers and arrested him soon after. >> while shadow justice secretary shabana mahmood says the conservatives have broken the conservatives have broken the prison system . the prison system. >> well, we've had 13 years of mismanagement of the criminal justice system by the conservative party and the fact that this situation was even allowed to happen in the first place is a national embarrassment. and so the government does have to urgently get a grip. tell tell us whether the prison estate is secure, secure, and that they can provide reassurance that all other similar suspects who are in our prisons are in the correct category of prison. beanng correct category of prison. bearing in mind the offences that are alleged and that that

prison estate is secure. >> relatives of ten year old sarah sharif have been detained for questioning by police in pakistan. her father , his pakistan. her father, his partner and siblings have fled the uk for pakistan after sarah was found dead at her home in woking last month . a post—mortem woking last month. a post—mortem examination found she had suffered multiple injuries over an extended period of time . an extended period of time. rishi sunak says he and india's prime minister narendra modi have a lot of hard work still to do before a trade deal can be reached . the prime minister reached. the prime minister refused to put a deadline on the agreement and warns a deal is not a given. during the g20 summit in delhi, g20 delegates also agreed on a joint message with very strong language about russia's illegal war in ukraine. an rishi sunak says the summit can pave the way for opportunities between countries. prime minister modi and i had a very warm and productive discussion on a range of different things with regard to the trade deal.

>> there's a desire on both of our parts to see a successful trade deal concluded . the trade deal concluded. the opportunities are there for both countries , but there is a lot of countries, but there is a lot of hard work that's go and countries, but there is a lot of harneed k that's go and countries, but there is a lot of harneed to hat's go and countries, but there is a lot of harneed to work go and countries, but there is a lot of harneed to work throughjo and countries, but there is a lot of harneed to work through that d countries, but there is a lot of harneed to work through that as we need to work through that as we need to work through that as we but i think there's we will do. but i think there's also opportunities for to us deepen our relationship and lots of areas . and and of different areas. and he and i talked that well, talked about that as well, whether it's defence and whether it's in defence and security, in education, in research, sorts of things . research, all sorts of things. >> the psni says military grade explosives and weapons , which explosives and weapons, which could have been used by dissident republicans to attack police , have been recovered in police, have been recovered in londonderry . 16 officers were londonderry. 16 officers were injured in the creggan area as police came under attack by crowds where they conducted the raids. two men and a woman have been arrested under the terrorism act. authorities say their main focus is on the new ira . today has hit a record ira. today has hit a record record of being the hottest day of the year so far, hitting 32.7 c in heathrow . it's also

32.7 c in heathrow. it's also the sixth day in a row the uk's recorded a temperature over 30 degrees for masters say the record is likely to continue until the end of this week with an amber heat alert in place. but the met office is also warning of potential thunderstorms from this afternoon. and a yellow warning for thunderstorms has been issued for northern ireland for tomorrow this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to nana . now it's back to nana. >> well, good afternoon. welcome on board. it's just coming up to seven minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua this is gb news. we are the people's channel and it's are the people's channel and wsfime are the people's channel and it's time to mock the week. and what a dirty one it's been. so as the politicians continue to argue amongst themselves trying to out who's responsible to work out who's responsible for not addressing the crumbling concrete sooner , they've moved

concrete sooner, they've moved around so much it's anyone's guess. we a rare glimpse of guess. we see a rare glimpse of gillian keegan letting on that she's just as frustrated with her government as we are. have a listen . listen. >> does anyone ever say , you >> does anyone ever say, you know what, you've done a good job because everyone else has sat there and done nothing. job because everyone else has sat no there and done nothing. job because everyone else has sat no signs and done nothing. job because everyone else has sat no signs ofd done nothing. job because everyone else has sat no signs of that,e nothing. job because everyone else has sat no signs of that, no>thing. job because everyone else has sat no signs of that, no .hing. no, no signs of that, no. >> yes, i know how she feels. to be fair, though, this is a failure of success. successive governments, not just the tories. the issue , it would tories. the issue, it would appean tories. the issue, it would appear, has been around for years, although why they didn't consider addressing the schools issue the holidays is issue during the holidays is beyond . but the aerated beyond me. but the aerated concrete crumbling is spreading as more and more buildings are confirmed as having it. i blame developers who built them using it in the first place, but where the hell are they? seems that no one is bothered to find out. we've had a prisoner on the run from wandsworth prison staff movies are made out of. he clung onto the underside of a delivery truck as it was leaving. yeah, i know . they were that slapdash . know. they were that slapdash. they didn't bother checking the

underside of vehicles as they left this dude then clearly had been making notes. he's exposed a weakness in our prison service. he was caught today, though thankfully , which i am though thankfully, which i am glad about. but if i'm honest, it was such a daring escape. it was a bit of an anti—climax that he pretty much around he was found pretty much around the where he escaped the corner from where he escaped at. but crime seems to be more acceptable these days in any case, as this week the telegraph reported that britain is on the verge of anarchy with a shoplifting . stores shoplifting epidemic. stores have left to deal with it have been left to deal with it using body counts because the police don't seem bothered police don't seem that bothered former deputy chief whip in the news as well. chris pincher ex—conservative mp which he will be soon. he's resurfaced pincher by name, pincher by nature. he announced he'll quit triggering announced he'll quit triggering a by—election in what was previously considered a safe tory seat of tamworth in staffordshire . he basically lost staffordshire. he basically lost his appeal against an eight week suspension for groping two men at a private member's club last yeah at a private member's club last year. you couldn't make it up , year. you couldn't make it up, he said that he wanted to put an

end constituents end to his constituents uncertainty . well, there's only uncertainty. well, there's only one certainty here that the conservatives are on for a landslide the general landslide at the next general election and only an act of god can save and it was one can save them. and it was one year on friday since we lost our fantastic monarch of some 70 years, queen elizabeth ii prince harry arrived in the uk to make an impromptu stop at saint george's chapel, where she's buried. francis groombridge, a regular viewer, wrote to me about it. she said, dear nana, i just felt i needed to see if it was just me . but i've just seen was just me. but i've just seen an image of prince harry coming out of saint george's chapel at windsor castle. after visiting his grandmother dressed as if he only needed a knotted hanky on his head. i bet if he could , he his head. i bet if he could, he would have worn one of the honorary uniforms all fancy. he would. he would. but not the uniform of his rank. while in the service is not enough glitter. but i felt it was so disrespectful. or is it me as a stupid old lady? maybe it says

everything about him that he wants all the respect and he feels he is due. but when he wants it without any respect for anyone or anything . she went on anyone or anything. she went on to say , we all spoil our to say, we all spoil our children, but also teach them values and respect. prince william and respect. prince william and respect. prince william is a wonderful example of this . i didn't read that well of this. i didn't read that well for you, francis. i apologise , for you, francis. i apologise, but i love the letter anyway. francis. thank you very much for that. i'll be talking about the queen dedicated queen later on. i've dedicated my what my monologue to her. what a woman . it's been whole week . woman. it's been a whole week. right? so on the way this hour, comedian louis schaffer will be making light of this week's top stories in mock the week. but here's what else is coming up today. continue bringing today. i'll continue bringing you latest the now you all the latest on the now arrested suspect daniel arrested terror suspect daniel kalief, who escaped from wandsworth prison on wednesday. that's tuned at three 3320. it's climate control. britain is expected to swelter through its hottest september day on record . yes. is this climate change or

simply just scaremongering ? no, simply just scaremongering? no, it's just a lovely, hot day . and it's just a lovely, hot day. and then at 335 spring tax cuts from then at 335 spring tax cuts from the chancellor ahead of the looming election, chancellor jeremy hunt is considering cutting benefits in real terms to free up cash for a tax reduction. is that like robbing to pay peter to pay paul? and then at the end of the hour, is this week's political spotlight . and one year on from truss . and one year on from liz truss becoming her becoming prime minister was her economic vision the right way to go? joined british go? i'll be joined by british politician minister politician and former minister john redwood. that's on the way in next hour. ever, tell in the next hour. as ever, tell me on everything me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. all gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. all right. so joining me now, comedian and presenter and just fiddling around with stuff. i don't know what, you know, comedian louis, what's wrong with you? all i can hearis what's wrong with you? all i can hear is crackle, crackle, crackle, crackle. he's crackle, crackle, crackle. he's not anything. not doing anything. no, i'm excited with you. how excited to be with you. oh, how could work with that? could i? could i work with that? >> the magic could i? could i work with that? >> i the magic could i? could i work with that? >> i think the magic could i? could i work with that? >> i think the e magic could i? could i work with that? >> i think the two agic could i? could i work with that? >> i think the two agi us couple. i think the two of us are, like, amazing.

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want to build on top of old buildings to create housing. they'll do anything for building . have you heard about this? i didn't about it. it's didn't hear about it. it's they're top of the they're building on top of the roofs . and this wasn't even roofs. and this wasn't even mentioned. you would think this would have been mentioned. but obviously, some of those buildings are unfit for occupants let occupants to occupancy, let alone . i know what you mean. alone. i know what you mean. >> so this is so she's kind of getting all the flack for it . getting all the flack for it. but, you know, we have to be looking at that and saying, but that's thing that's not the only thing crumbling. loads crumbling. we've got loads of things what things going on. i mean, what about big prison about we had the big prison break. i mean, he only ended up round corner though. didn't round the corner though. didn't go didn't. and i feel >> no, he didn't. and i feel so sad entire thing. sad about the entire thing. i just guy because he just look at the guy because he looks kids. got looks like my kids. i got two kids kind look like that kids that kind of look like that good looking young 21 year old kids. you just feel kids. and. and you just feel he's bit carried he's just got a bit carried away. he got a bit carried. he wanted leave. i would wanted to leave. i would have been country loves been happy this country loves a great escape. it does . that great escape. it does. that movie, he's the greatest movie ever made. the great escape was the greatest movie ever made solved that , paul. solved by that, paul. >> but this was the great

escape. this was the escape around the corner . around the corner. >> but it could have been. >> but it could have been. >> could have been if he >> it could have been if he hadnt >> it could have been if he hadn't been caught, if it hadn't been pesky kids . been for those pesky kids. >> yeah, could have we >> so, yeah, we could have we could , you know, maybe could have, you know, maybe five, years, five, ten years, maybe. >> the hell >> people wonder, where the hell did , you know? did the guy go, you know? >> but it's good. but ultimately it that he's caught it is good that he's caught and that's know that's good. now, i don't know whether this whether you've noticed this whole that whole shoplifting pandemic that seems happening. yeah, seems to be happening. yeah, people are just helping themselves of themselves and it's sort of become like grade become a almost like a low grade crime that nobody to deal with. >> well , it's like with. >> well, it's like everything. it starts america, even more it starts in america, even more than it starts in than that, it starts in california. then spreads than that, it starts in caamerica, then spreads than that, it starts in caamerica, and hen spreads than that, it starts in caamerica, and then spreads than that, it starts in caamerica, and then sp|come to america, and then it's come here because see here because people can see that's a great way. and if they're not going to if they're not going to do if they're not going to do if they're going solve they're not to going solve the little obviously little crimes, they're obviously not solve these things. little crimes, they're obviously not think solve these things. little crimes, they're obviously not think isolve these things. little crimes, they're obviously not think i thinkthese things. little crimes, they're obviously not think i think we're things. little crimes, they're obviously not think i think we're at ngs. little crimes, they're obviously not think i think we're at the and i think i think we're at the i want to be pessimist i don't want to be pessimist about britain or america . i about britain or america. i think it's the same the same problem. we're unwilling to take responsibility or to punish crime effectively. >> like i mean , okay, we had >> like i mean, okay, we had this whole thing saying, oh , this whole thing saying, oh, qatar, okay, i don't agree with a their rights a lot of their human rights stuff. so you know,

homosexuality things like homosexuality and things like that. i don't see why that should a crime. i think should be a crime. i think that's ridiculous. but some of the things did right, the things they did get right, you all the british fans you notice all the british fans went the went out there to watch the football. not of them football. not one of them got arrested knew six arrested because they knew six months in prison. there's no messing around. you know, they're not going say, oh, they're not going to say, oh, well, let out because well, we'll let you out because you and i think you did. yeah. and i think we need to have an even hand over this. and actually, that's this. and actually, well, that's what used to this. and actually, well, that's wh like used to this. and actually, well, that's wh like that used to this. and actually, well, that's wh like that it used to this. and actually, well, that's wh like that it used used to this. and actually, well, that's wh like that it used to used to this. and actually, well, that's wh like that it used to bed to this. and actually, well, that's wh like that it used to be with be like that it used to be with crime people . crime people. >> people were i don't believe in punishment because i myself have done so many bad things or feel like i've done so many bad things. what things. but i know what you mean. it's there's this mean. it's just there's this week. mean. it's just there's this weeyeah . now the story with >> yeah. now also the story with regard to chris pincher. i don't understand it. >> you know, on one hand, on one hand, it's total liberalism that people are allowed to do whatever they want to do. on the other people can be so other hand, the people can be so picky and moralistic. i don't picky and so moralistic. i don't want to say what he did because if he what is it enough to lose?

>> i mean, look, i think it's wrong. he pinched somebody's bottom or something that . bottom or something like that. how bad was though? i mean, how bad was it, though? i mean, was it just a two pinches? oh, you then you shouldn't do that. and then or you know, a full or was it like, you know, a full on, which i don't know. >> you don't know what to say because i'm just to going say i'll say the exact same thing. i would if it woman who would say if it was a woman who this yeah, that's this happened to. yeah, that's true. which is it true. which is which is it wouldn't be tolerated if it's a woman and i think men deserve equal rights. maybe this is the first little, little kind of wedge men will wedge so that men will be treated in the same way that women. also thought that women. but i also thought that the are the conservative ones are just they're of they're always into this kind of gay sex kind of thing. no come on. >> no, no. you know about >> no, no. you don't know about that. that's rubbish. you can't go that he's making go into that. he's just making that that. go into that. he's just making tha i've that. go into that. he's just making tha i've been that. even >> i've been told. not even to mention just. mention that i was just. >> yeah, you said that >> but. yeah, but you said that they're and you don't they're into that and you don't know that at all. don't know. know that at all. we don't know. >> know. >> we don't know. >> we don't know. >> okay. not >> you can't say that. okay. not know. finally, of course, know. now, finally, of course, her queen. fantastic her majesty the queen. fantastic woman. since woman. it's been a year since her yesterday. yeah. her passing yesterday. yeah. what thoughts? what are what are your thoughts? what are your best memories from, you know, things that you remember about queen about the queen. about the queen >> was >> i remember when she was queen. than with

>> i remember when she was que> i remember when she was que> i remember when she was que> i remember when she was que> no, you can't say that. you're right. this you're absolutely right. this show, say when show, you can't say that. when are you're are you back? you're on headlines. are you back? you're on heaoh, es. are you back? you're on heaoh, headlines with >> oh, headlines tonight with andrew >> oh, headlines tonight with andre great program . it's a great little program. it's a great little program. it's an absolute it's like it's like like like this. it's like louis schaefer with of schaefer with a bit of nothingness. schaefer with a bit of not and 1ess. also have that schaefer with a bit of not and 1ess.also have that little >> and you also have that little plaque your email plaque with your your email address on there or your twitter. louis schaefer you could you could tweet that. >> to bring it on >> you want me to bring it on the please the next time if i'm please don't back out. >> please louis you >> please don't. louis thank you very not going to be very much. i'm not going to be allowed on. >> making about the >> i was making a joke about the conservatives. people. >> said he's sorry. thank >> he said he's sorry. thank you, louis. to to you. you, louis. love to talk to you. >> i love you. >> he's going back >> he's going to be back tonight. sure tune in tonight. make sure you tune in for on. right. for headlines later on. right. this news on tv, online this is tv news on tv, online and on digital on way. and on digital radio on the way. coming and on digital radio on the way. conchancellor ahead of the

the chancellor ahead of the looming election. chancellor jeremy considering jeremy hunt is considering cutting benefits real terms jeremy hunt is considering cu free benefits real terms jeremy hunt is considering cu free upnefits real terms jeremy hunt is considering cu free up cash real terms jeremy hunt is considering cu free up cash for real terms jeremy hunt is considering cu free up cash for tax terms to free up cash for tax reductions. first, let's get reductions. but first, let's get an with your weather . an update with your weather. >> looks like things are heating up . a boxt boilers proud up. a boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon . my name is >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office . so it's been a fairly hot week across the uk and not a huge amount of changing throughout this weekend . we've got those this weekend. we've got those isobars fairly spread out, so bringing us some light winds and still bringing that air up from the so fairly as the south. so fairly warm as well . we've seen some heavy well. we've seen some heavy showers and thunderstorms throughout and they will throughout today and they will slowly as we go slowly ease away as we go through tonight. so leaving a fairly dry night for many. they're a bit rain and they're a bit of rain and drizzle across the far northwest , though, we go into the , though, as we go into the early sunday morning. , though, as we go into the eararea sunday morning. , though, as we go into the eararea of sunday morning. , though, as we go into the eararea of heavynday morning. , though, as we go into the eararea of heavy showers rning. , though, as we go into the eararea of heavy showers and]. an area of heavy showers and thunderstorms starting to push into the southwest. and that's all during another warm and humid night. so start sunday

humid night. so to start sunday morning, those showers will make their way north eastwards into wales , the midlands and later on wales, the midlands and later on into northern england, northern ireland and into southern scotland. and they could be pretty heavy bringing some hail and thunderstorms as well as some strong, gusty winds. so do keep an eye on the forecast if you out about these you are out and about in these areas tomorrow , but it will be areas tomorrow, but it will be another warm especially in another warm day, especially in the south—east with highs of 32 now towards the new now looking towards the new working week. a bit of mist, now looking towards the new working week. a bit of mist , fog working week. a bit of mist, fog and low cloud in the west to start. but this area of rain will slowly, erratically spread its way south eastwards with some thunderstorms as well developing just ahead of that. and that changeable autumnal theme as we go theme continuing as we go through the rest of next week with temperatures slowly declining average declining back down to average range , looks like things are range, looks like things are heating up , range, looks like things are heating up, up boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news as good . news as good. >> good afternoon. it's just coming up to 19 minutes after

3:00. still to come, a plan to change the bbc licence fee model , which would would put you in charge. i'll speak to conservative mp and former ministerjohn redwood. but up next, control. the uk is next, climate control. the uk is sweltering through one of the hottest september days on record climate change or scaremongering will debating that

and people that i knew had dewbs & co weeknights from . six good afternoon. >> welcome on board. it's just coming up to 24 minutes after

3:00. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are the people's channel now. loads still to come because right now we're discussing it's time for climate control. the uk could have a record six days of 30 c heat for the first time in september. yes. now, that is, of course, according to the met office. thursday was the hottest day of the year so far. the heatwave has broken the record has already broken the record for most consecutive days for the most consecutive days with above 30 with temperatures above 30 degrees september. so is this degrees in september. so is this heat climate? is this climate change or is it just simply scaremongering ? so let's get scaremongering? so let's get bnan scaremongering? so let's get brian cat on board. he's a physicist and an engineer. brian welcome on board. thank you for joining me . what think? joining me. what do you think? is climate change? they talk is it climate change? they talk about it as though is or about it as though it is or is it weather ? it it's it just nice weather? it it's exceptional weather . exceptional weather. >> um, the answer to the other questions climate change. it's roughly at the same level globally, which is what really matters. it's not just some peak

temperatures in the uk global, it's about the global average over 30 years actually. >> but the, the temperatures at the moment are about the same as they were in 1998, 2016 and 2020. >> so for the last 25 years, it's not gone , give or take it's not gone, give or take point zero five of a degree. >> any higher. so that's the climate change story . climate change story. >> as far as the weather is concerned , it depends whose concerned, it depends whose records they are and when they began, because a lot of these records, they pick the starting point to be to suit the narrative. and if you go back into, say, the central england temperature records, which the met it's got, which met office knows it's got, which go back to 1600 or so, you'll find there have been periods when been than now. when it's been warmer than now. so yeah, it's a hot spell. well what's weather? >> so let's bring on jim dale because jim dale , he's because jim dale, he's a meteorologist. jim dale. it's just whether it's just weather the way it is, we've got what is it, six consecutive days or four consecutive days, 30 degrees, the highest temperature ever

recorded in september. it's just weather depends when and where you measure it. that's the sort of brian making i >> -- >> um, -_ >> um, well, m >> um, well, just about to break another record right on the cusp of now, for this time of year. >> now, for this time of year. so look, yeah, there's a little bit of weather in there. >> of course there is. it does get hot occasionally. it's definitely scare story definitely not a scare story because is absolutely because the data is absolutely proven . proven. >> i'm looking right at right above my head here. >> i'm looking right at right aber my head here. >> i'm looking right at right aber mylistad here. >> i'm looking right at right aber mylist of here. >> i'm looking right at right aber mylist of temperatures as >> a big list of temperatures as they so there's no lying they stand. so there's no lying about when string about this. and when you string together like like has happened, you know, one event singularly , you know, one event singularly, you know, one event singularly, you would not say, okay, that's climate change. i would never say that about anything. but when you start to join the dots, when you start to join the dots, when you start to join the dots, when you start to look around to see what's on, you see what's going on, when you look at country and see look at our own country and see that on our seventh day of that we're on our seventh day of consecutive september days of being over 30 degrees in some place , then something's going on place, then something's going on behind that. when you look at ocean temperatures at record levels, when you look at the records that have fallen in france the last couple france of the last couple of days and right across the world

in the southern hemisphere as well, think . we i hope i'm well, i think. we i hope i'm still there. no, i can hear you. >> we can hear you, jim. i can hear you and your eyes darting around the weather clock or whatever. got the whatever. have you got in the corner jim, corner there? but okay, jim, what say then? what would you say to this then? because recently it's reported in the telegraph that the climate scientist has admitted overplaying the impact of global warming wildfires to ensure warming on wildfires to ensure that work was published in that his work was published in the prestigious journal the prestigious science journal nature. now, you see, this is the thing . this this person the thing. this this person actually admitting i heard about this published. yeah . this published. yeah. >> yeah. okay. >> yeah. okay. >> so he's from the breakthrough institute that maybe maybe says it all in terms of the pressure he's on to get something out there now just just on the point when he was questioned by scientists on on this and why he why he didn't give the full story that's that's the right thing to do. that's what scientists do. they actually look at these things and see why this guy is saying this and see why it's not actually a

breakthrough in this case. i think it was on on the on the wildfire case. and you know, there is pressure. but i'll tell you what, there's greater pressure on other to pressure on the other side to actually change actually disprove climate change without a shadow of a doubt. this year been an absolute annihilation. >> would you say that, brian? he's saying that great he's saying that there's great pressure to try and disprove this, but think that the this, but i think that the pressure to people to pressure is to force people to accept do you accept it. but what do you think, brian cat, you are you required to obey the narrative and teach it ? and teach it? >> and teachers are told to teach it in schools even though it's completely unproven at the moment. and jim says he's got numbers there, by the way , those numbers there, by the way, those are the numbers from the nasa satellite jim. and don't satellite jim. and they don't say you say . say what you say. >> so do they say? >> so what do they say? >> so what do they say? >> there are there is some legacy data which says something different , but the best data different, but the best data comes from the satellite comes from the nasa satellite constellation, reported constellation, which is reported by quite independent bodies by two quite independent bodies . and it shows that it is not hotter than it's ever been. and it's about the global average over 30 years. it's not about what's in the uk right.

>> you're on the wrong side of history, mate . i say openly history, mate. i say that openly to you're there to deny and to you. you're there to deny and that's what you do. you come up with your little graphs, go that's what you do. you come up with speak.ittle graphs, go that's what you do. you come up with speak to le graphs, go that's what you do. you come up with speak to nasa's. ;, go and speak to nasa's. >> hold on, hold hold >> hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. jim, hold hold on, hold on. no, jim, hold on, wait a minute. jim on, hold on. wait a minute. jim he his thoughts and he he gave you his thoughts and he accepted them but said disprove them. disprove them with logic rather than just saying he's got his little graph and everything, you yeah you know? yeah >> you know, i can put >> okay. so, you know, i can put any there's some superb any any there's some superb graphs to show you where the temperatures are going both in the and in the atmosphere the ocean and in the atmosphere and the land , particularly in and on the land, particularly in the two years. the the last two years. the acceleration is like the face of the eiger in terms of temperature. why do think we temperature. why do you think we have climate control in the first do you think first place? why do you think this has come to be? do this has come to be? why do you think every who's think virtually every who's meeting today, the g20 , and what meeting today, the g20, and what is their number one? number one subject, climate change? why is all of this happening when brian in his office there is suggesting there's nothing going on. so it's not nothing and everybody else versus brian and

his mates? well, you don't know. >> the number one subject could be what they're having lunch be what they're having for lunch . brian, respond. >> , i've got thousands >> well, i've got thousands of colleagues who are able to say the truth. >> some of them are in clint tell nobel prize winners who all actually look at the data rather than repeat the narrative. the answer to your other question , answer to your other question, of course, is that this is nothing to do with the climate. it's to do with deindustrialising the west in favour of asia, which is what the un agenda 2130 is. that's political argument, isn't it ? political argument, isn't it? >> that's your political argument that's actually driven by carbon dioxide was picked as a problem . a problem. >> well, that's the point. we seem to we seem to think that carbon dioxide is the spawn of satan, but without where we're all in trouble without carbon. well, listen, carry well, listen, we can carry on with discussion later with this discussion later on. we the we will be talking about the weather the hour. weather in the next hour. thank you brian cat you very much, brian cat and also good also jim dale. really good to talk both. for talk to you both. thanks for your thanks. that's what your views. thanks. that's what they you think? they think. what do you think? this news on tv online and

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necessarily on benefits . necessarily on benefits. >> well, it's a really interesting ploy that jeremy hunt seems to have cooked up here. >> essentially, he is desperate to get into a position where he feels able to lower taxes before the next election. >> now, we're all sort of thinking there's probably going to election in autumn, to be an election in autumn, 2024. so he wants to be able to lower taxes and sort of april spnng lower taxes and sort of april spring statement 2024. >> and in order to do that, he needs to find some cash and one potential route that he's thinking of going down to get that cash is to change the way that cash is to change the way that the benefit system works. >> so at the moment, every year benefits are uprated. in april when you receive your extra benefits in april and that figure is decided based on the previous september's inflation figure, bitcoin . but bear with figure, bitcoin. but bear with me this year, of course, the september inflation figure is very high at 6.9. >> but by next april, we're hoping that economists are hoping that economists are hoping to and expecting that it'll go down to about 3.5. >> and what jeremy hunt is

thinking of doing is next april rather than uprating benefits in the usual way, as in in line with september's inflation figures. >> so yeah , he was six point >> so yeah, he was six point something, 6.9. >> he's going to do it by the april figure, which will hopefully be more like 3.5. >> course , that would hopefully be more like 3.5. >> the course , that would hopefully be more like 3.5. >> the treasury. , that would save the treasury. >> absolutely billions, but labouris >> absolutely billions, but labour is already piling in and i expect we'll hear some tories on the left the party saying on the left of the party saying something similar, saying essentially the poorest essentially that the poorest people are already being hit the hardest by the cost of living crisis. >> but if used the september >> but if he used the september figure, he would be raising figure, then he would be raising it above inflation. there it above inflation. so there shouldn't be a problem if they're in line prices they're in line with prices rising. well, should be no problem. >> and i think that is the argument that jeremy is argument that jeremy hunt is going another quite going to make another quite interesting angle is liz interesting angle is that liz truss something truss attempted to do something very she was very very similar when she was very briefly, , perhaps briefly, prime minister, perhaps a little a bit harsher, but a little bit a bit harsher, but very much along the same lines. >> she wants to uprate benefits in line with average wage growth rather than inflation. >> was the idea was just >> and it was the idea was just hammered by big swathes of the tory party and she had to drop

it. now the liz truss allies it. and now the liz truss allies are furious because they say, hey, hang on a minute, this is what our woman suggested last yean what our woman suggested last year, their year, and everyone turned their noses up. doses up. >> noses up. >> and jeremy hunt is >> and now jeremy hunt is essentially exactly the >> and now jeremy hunt is essen'thing. exactly the same thing. >> there's a of things that >> there's a lot of things that liz truss suggested that they >> there's a lot of things that liz now; suggested that they >> there's a lot of things that liz now tryingzsted that they >> there's a lot of things that liz now tryingzsteputiat they >> there's a lot of things that liz now tryingzsteputiat place, are now trying to put in place, but slowly it but doing it slowly so it doesn't look it was her doesn't look like it was her idea. that'll be interesting to see. and are the feelers see. and what are the feelers that that this that he's that he that this that he's likely to do this and that it will be a successful move if he does do you that will will be a successful move if he does be you that will will be a successful move if he does be yochance that will will be a successful move if he does be yochance that that there be a chance that that might people closer to the might sway people closer to the tory party because they'll be lowering think that's that's >> i think i think that's that's the calculation from the treasury. >> essentially, the conservative party realising possibly party is realising possibly too late that it needs to be able to have give people, give the pubuc have give people, give the public a positive reason to vote conservative. now the traditional positive reason to vote conservative is because the conservatives are supposed be conservatives are supposed to be the party of low tax. >> conservatives >> but when the conservatives have highest tax have given us the highest tax burden years, then it's burden in 70 years, then it's pretty hard to go to the doorsteps and say , vote me. doorsteps and say, vote for me. >> the party of low tax. doorsteps and say, vote for me. >>jeremy the party of low tax. doorsteps and say, vote for me. >>jeremy hunt)arty of low tax.

doorsteps and say, vote for me. >>jeremy hunt isty of low tax. doorsteps and say, vote for me. >>jeremy hunt is now low tax. so jeremy hunt is now desperately hoping that can desperately hoping that he can find the money in order to lower taxes. now, you know, those in the liz truss camp had quite a lot of concern lives in the party would argue that actually you don't need to find the money to you lower to lower taxes if you lower taxes, the economy will grow quicker and there'll be a sort of bigger to cut up and of bigger cake to cut up and hand out, if you like. but that isn't the way jeremy sees hand out, if you like. but that isn hehe way jeremy sees hand out, if you like. but that isn hehe wayeveryry sees hand out, if you like. but that isn hehe wayevery penny sees hand out, if you like. but that isn hehe wayevery penny sebe, it. he wants every penny to be, to matched. he's going to be matched. and if he's going to be matched. and if he's going to taxes , he needs to find to cut taxes, he needs to find that money treasury that money in the treasury coffers well. coffers as well. >> ali, thank you >> olivia ali, thank you very much that. interesting. much for that. interesting. interesting. and you explained much for that. interesting. interes clearly.d you explained much for that. interesting. interes clearly. even explained it very clearly. even i understood it. i didn't mean you. was clear . that you. no, no. it was clear. that was i appreciate was nicely clear. i appreciate that. olivia our that. that's olivia hartley, our political here on political correspondent here on gb news. but right now, it is time for this week's political spotlight . conservative mp sir spotlight. conservative mp sir john redwood has challenged the bbc's licence fee model, calling for an ownership revolution. now sir john believes that those who pay sir john believes that those who pay the licence fee should be given shares in the corporation are the bbc losing favour with

the public and should they look at an alternative model? that's amongst many things, we're going to discussing? john to be discussing? sirjohn redwood me now. well, sir redwood joins me now. well, sir john, this is i really like the idea that people would own a part of the bbc if they're putting money into it, because obviously, if they do suddenly become a private entity, they own all the buildings and things that they have, they've they've benefited heavily things benefited heavily from things that has funded that the taxpayer has funded them and they'll be them with. and they'll be streets any commercial streets ahead of any commercial entity. so me bit more entity. so talk to me a bit more about this idea , sir. about this, this idea, sir. >> yeah. the idea is the people's bbc. everybody on a specified date who is paying the licence get single licence fee will get a single share . the condition would be share. the condition would be that couldn't sell it to share. the condition would be tiforeigner uldn't sell it to share. the condition would be tiforeigner orin't sell it to share. the condition would be tiforeigner or a't sell it to share. the condition would be tiforeigner or a foreign: to a foreigner or a foreign company, so it would remain a british corporation, but you could sell it to other british people could be a fully people or you could be a fully participating member of the new company . and then i would company. and then i would imagine the company would go out and raise more money in the form of extra share capital and certainly would be able to borrow and become much borrow more and become a much bigger media challenger

worldwide . and the government worldwide. and the government could buy public service broadcasting if it wished, and it could offer the bbc a contract to run the world service and 1 or 2 other things that it thought were right for pubuc that it thought were right for public subsidy. that it thought were right for public subsidy . and the rest of public subsidy. and the rest of the bbc would make its way in the bbc would make its way in the world media industry, it's got a great backlog of programmes and copy and old news and so forth. it ought to commercialise that more and sell it more on a worldwide franchise. >> but the worry is then for the commercial entities that they would have to, in a way compete with the bbc, which will be very difficult surely if the commercial side of the bbc it will capitalise quite heavily and make quite a bit of money because they do still have elements that are private parts of would all that of the bbc. would all that be part of it as well? well at the moment they're competing with you all with great advantage you all with the great advantage of , the licence fee. of a big tax, the licence fee. >> i would phase out the >> and i would phase out the licence fee over a transition penod licence fee over a transition period as the new shareholder owners and whoever they appointed to run the bbc worked

out proper business plan. and out a proper business plan. and as decided how much as the state decided how much pubuc as the state decided how much public service broadcasting it wanted to pay for. but the bulk of the bbc isn't doing public service broadcasting at the moment. it competing in a moment. it is competing in a commercial with the commercial world with the advantage of this quite substantial revenue that the substantial tax revenue that the rest of you don't get. >> think it should definitely rest of you don't get. >> 1back it should definitely rest of you don't get. >> 1back if should definitely rest of you don't get. >> 1back if it'led definitely rest of you don't get. >> 1back if it'led defto tely rest of you don't get. >> 1back if it'led defto doy bring back if it's going to do that, we did that, they that, if we did that, they should bring back local radio because obviously should bring back local radio b yeah, yeah. >> now want to look at liz truss. >> she had some great ideas. now it seems that the conservative party is sort of gradually adopting some of the things that she that liz truss wanted to put in place . so, so talk to me in place. so, so talk to me about some of her big ideas and the way the party sort the way the tory party is sort of taking elements of her of taking on elements of her ideas. you think actually ideas. and do you think actually she right ? she was right? >> well, i supported liz truss and i think she was right about the two big propositions she made needed to go for made that we needed to go for growth that you needed lower

growth and that you needed lower tax in some cases to tax rates in some cases to stimulate that growth . and if stimulate that growth. and if you chose the right lower tax rates as were saying rates, as you were saying earlier, you get more revenue because stimulate more because you stimulate more activity pays all sorts of activity which pays all sorts of extra taxes . but she didn't take extra taxes. but she didn't take my advice. i mean, she asked to see see me before she went ahead and i presented her with the budget. i thought the markets would accept and would get her. well on the way to that lower tax, higher growth regime . but tax, higher growth regime. but she decided to spend considerably more in the budget that she and kwasi put together than i recommended, which was an added strain on the markets . than i recommended, which was an added strain on the markets. but i think also they were mainly upended by the bank of england . upended by the bank of england. difficult decision on the eve of their budget to hike interest rates and above all to start selling bonds in a very aggressive way to drive the price of bonds down and therefore drive the interest rates up very quickly . and that rates up very quickly. and that obviously spooked the market. and unfortunately , liz truss and and unfortunately, liz truss and kwasi kwarteng didn't get on

with the governor of the bank of england and didn't have a policy that made sense in the round that made sense in the round that you needed to work with. and bank of england and through the bank of england and the bank england and the bank of england undermined the policy which was further undermined, of course, because the bank of england as regulator hadn't understood just how much highly geared bond there was out there in the pension funds and that was the main thing that did the damage and brought the market down with with a bit of a bang. so it's a great pity they didn't listen a bit more because the two high level ideas were right . bit more because the two high level ideas were right. but but igave level ideas were right. but but i gave them a series of proposals for controlling public spending better. i think they were wrong to offer so much money for the energy bills of well—off people. they obviously needed to do quite a bit for people who were struggling with the energy bills, that was the energy bills, but that was a lot money going out and lot of extra money going out and above all, i want this government it urgently . we government to do it urgently. we need the costs of need to control the costs of the government do government itself. we still do not have a ban on extra

recruitment of civil servants when there's been a huge expansion of the civil service in the last three years. please put a ban on government. that's the way to pay for your tax cuts, not not hitting the benefit recipient , but control benefit recipient, but control the costs of government . and the costs of government. and they need to stop the bank of england selling all these bonds at huge losses . do you know that at huge losses. do you know that the bank england has lost us the bank of england has lost us 24 billion so far this year and the taxpayer and the treasury have to pay for all those losses? well, why are we still carrying that ? control carrying on doing that? control the money, control the bond losses give people some tax losses and give people some tax cuts. and i don't want the tax cuts. and i don't want the tax cuts next spring. they've got to be now. they need to be in an urgent autumn because urgent autumn budget because this economy is stuttering. it's not growing very much at all. it would benefit greatly if you adopted some of the tax reductions. i've been suggesting . for example, stop over taxing the self—employed. we've lost 700,000 self—employed. this decade and the tax system is too aggressive. double or more. the

vat threshold for small businesses that they can expand further before they have to face the huge barrier because quite a lot of smaller businesses just stop earning money when they get to the 85,000 threshold because they don't want to get into all they don't want to get into all the difficulties of vat and i think probably still a further reduction in tax on energy because we're trying to get inflation down quickly . so let's inflation down quickly. so let's get on with it and quite a lot of the energy costs and price is the very high taxes levied by the very high taxes levied by the government. >> well , the bank of england are >> well, the bank of england are getting themselves involved with with control, climate with climate control, climate change, which the it was one of the big stories on the front page of the telegraph, whether do you think they should be getting involved that? getting involved with that? >> i just don't why >> i mean, i just don't see why they're doing it. i they they're doing it. i think they should on with should be getting on with getting looking getting involved with looking after the economy rather than looking but looking at climate change. but do you see a role for the bank? >> i think mervyn king i think mervyn king has made some good points, actually points, but i don't actually think went wrong think that's what went wrong with england. think that's what went wrong with think england. think that's what went wrong with think that'sind. think that's what went wrong with think that's the main

>> i don't think that's the main reason got the inflation, the reason we got the inflation, the inflation. we've because inflation. we've got is because they interest rates too low they kept interest rates too low for long and printed too for too long and printed too much bought too many much money and bought too many bonds and the bonds at crazy prices. and the dangeris bonds at crazy prices. and the danger is they now do the reverse. that they have too little money, they drive the interest rates high. they interest rates too high. they drive bonds down drive the price of bonds down too , killing the mortgage too far, killing the mortgage market opportunity market and people's opportunity to so i hope mervyn to buy a home. so i hope mervyn will help me concentrate on the real error of the bank of england, which is that problem as to whether they should be involved change involved in climate change policy think policy at all or not, i think they might argue that they mainly do that where they are acting as overall banking sector advisors and supervisors , where advisors and supervisors, where they're trying to get the banks to invest more in net zero. i can see that argument, but i think you ought to be careful if you target too much capital into a sector , you may just a preferred sector, you may just drive up the price of investing in that sector too much and that becomes self—defeating . becomes self—defeating. >> i'm wondering what your views are as well jeremy hunt's are as well on jeremy hunt's plan with regard to bringing up

benefits and using the actual inflationary figure rather than the previous one, which is what what his plan is or what we hear he may well be doing before the next general election. >> what are your thoughts? i would urge him not to do that. >> you, too >> as i've told you, it's too late the tax cuts. then we late for the tax cuts. then we need the tax cuts. this autumn. and i think wrong way and i think it's the wrong way of them. i'm of paying for them. i'm suggesting paying suggesting ways of paying for them. stop the bond them. we need to stop the bond losses. to control all losses. we need to control all the numbers in the civil service by not recruiting externally. other than teachers doctors other than teachers and doctors and so forth, which you clearly need more of. i'm above all, waiting for the john glenn, chief secretary to the treasury review because he's got this key job government of asking why job in government of asking why is it public sector is it that public sector productivity has nosedived in the last three years and what are we to going do about if are we to going do about it if we lost productivity we got the lost productivity back, just got the public back, if we just got the public service working the same service is working at the same level of efficiency as they were in 2019, we'd have bags of money for tax cuts. it would be a joy to behold. i just don't understand, though. >> the civil service why it's so

bloated why the government bloated and why the government spends on it , bloated and why the government spends on it, and spends so much money on it, and it doesn't that they're it doesn't seem that they're able sort of the able to sort of get get the numbers down. >> ? just a normal person >> why? just as a normal person looking at it, i'm thinking you've too many people you've got too many people working in this area. spend working in this area. they spend billions public money in billions of public money in this. how can they reduce the numbers of people working in there? because talked there? because as you talked about, productivity , i the about, productivity, i mean, the home productivity home office, their productivity was until somebody was extremely low until somebody sort of, you know, had a word sort of, you know, we had a word with that. but even with them about that. but even that's not great. hmrc we know a lot of them working lot of them are working from home just i home or from abroad. ijust i just don't why the just don't get it. why the government are unable to the government are unable to cut the numbers staff is is numbers of staff is it is it easy to do ? easy to do? >> well, i don't mind people working from home as long as they're working sensibly. i work from i'm working from home a lot. i'm working from home a lot. i'm working from home a lot. i'm working from home this afternoon, after all, you. all, talking to you. >> yeah, you're that >> yeah, but you're right that we've not getting the we've we we're not getting the productivity out of all the extra people that were added over last 4 years. over the last 3 or 4 years. >> if you take the nhs, i think they 3500 more managers they added 3500 more managers over the last three years and yet the productivity has gone

down. the point having down. what's the point of having extra managers if they're cutting productivity ? maybe cutting the productivity? maybe you the you start raising the productivity by having fewer managers. are the kind of managers. these are the kind of things ministers have now managers. these are the kind of thinto ministers have now managers. these are the kind of thinto involved ers have now managers. these are the kind of thinto involved with ave now managers. these are the kind of thinto involved with because got to get involved with because the chief executives of the so—called old semi—independent services are putting the productivity down, not putting it up. so ministers have got to say to them, do better , or if say to them, do better, or if they can't, they've got to change the chief executives because you wouldn't put up with that for minutes you that for five minutes if you were running own business. were running your own business. >> yes. >> yes. >> so, john, do you think that this government any chance this government have any chance of general of winning the next general election ? election? >> well, of course, if they did the sort of things we've just been talking about, it would transform things just imagine if we had an autumn budget which cut taxes on business and energy and made people feel there was a bit more hope. and if it started to get the economy growing so that next year we not only had inflation more than halving, which i think it should do, but we also had the best growth rate

of the advanced world, which we could if we took the right could do if we took the right actions the spring budget . actions in the spring budget. people say, yeah, this is people would say, yeah, this is what in 2019. but what we voted for in 2019. but if we carry on as we are with no growth and slouch getting growth and a slouch in getting inflation down and lots of bad news, and then people talking about taking some more money away from the people who haven't got very much, i don't think that's to win on that that's so easy to win on that kind of formula. >> you might be >> no, i think you might be right john redwood, right there, sirjohn redwood, thank so forjoining right there, sirjohn redwood, thanit's so forjoining right there, sirjohn redwood, thanit's really for joining right there, sirjohn redwood, thanit's really a forjoining right there, sirjohn redwood, thanit's really a pleasure ning right there, sirjohn redwood, thanit's really a pleasure t0|g me. it's really a pleasure to talk you so much. talk to you. thank you so much. that, of course, is sirjohn that, of course, is sir john redwood. this was political spotlight. but let's see what you've been saying, because a lot of you been getting in lot of you have been getting in touch. vaiews@gbnews.uk lot of you have been getting in t0|course,yiews@gbnews.uk lot of you have been getting in t0|course,yie'the�*gbnews.uk lot of you have been getting in t0|course,yie'the address uk lot of you have been getting in t0|course,yie'the address .k lot of you have been getting in t0|course,yie'the address . yes. of course, is the address. yes. let's this is from marion. let's see. this is from marion. marion i totally agree marion says, i totally agree with everything your viewers said harry. has said about prince harry. he has no for anyone except no respect for anyone except himself. i never want him back as he's failed the british people so and that people so much and that was earlier week where earlier in the week where i mentioned prince harry went mentioned the prince harry went to grandmother in to see his grandmother in grandmother's grave. now, amy says, i went to jersey in september 1959, and all the week

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people and women screaming . people and women screaming. that's what's happened. even now. people can't go back home because they're still afraid because they're still afraid because of the last hit , the because of the last hit, the first hit, we didn't feel it. people can't back to their people can't go back to their houses they're still houses because they're still afraid because of the second hit. a seven hit. i think it's a seven magnitude well , the metropolitan magnitude well, the metropolitan police's counter terrorism chief commander , dominic murphy, says commander, dominic murphy, says daniel khalaf was pulled off a bike by a plainclothes officer. >> the escaped terror suspect has been arrested for being unlawfully at large and for being an escaped prisoner. >> the prime minister has praised efforts the police praised efforts by the police and in finding him . and the public in finding him. our editor, our home and security editor, mark white has more. our home and security editor, maiveryiite has more. our home and security editor, maivery dramaticrore. our home and security editor, maivery dramatic events that >> very dramatic events that ended just before . 11:00 this ended just before. 11:00 this morning in chiswick with those officers arresting daniel khalif, bringing to an end this nationwide man hunt that clearly has been a huge embarrassment for the prison service . but the for the prison service. but the fact that this young man was able to get out of wandsworth pfison able to get out of wandsworth prison in the first place,

strapped to the underneath of a food delivery truck, he had been spotted , of course, in spotted, of course, in wandsworth at that roundabout . wandsworth at that roundabout. that coming through yesterday . that coming through yesterday. but it was really this morning in the chiswick area where are multiple sightings of daniel khalif were coming in this time he changed his clothing to wearing a baseball cap . police wearing a baseball cap. police were in the area in very significant numbers and arrested him soon after. >> the shadow justice secretary, shabana mahmood, says the conservatives have broken the prison system . prison system. >> well, we've had 13 years of missed management of the criminal justice system by the conservative party and the fact that this situation was even allowed to happen in the first place is a national embarrassment. and so the government does have to urgently get a grip. tell tell us whether the prison estate is secure. yeah. and that they can provide reassurance that all other similar suspects who are in our

prisons are in the correct category of prison. bearing in mind the offences that are alleged and that that prison estate is secure, relatives of ten year old sarah sharif have been detained for questioning by police in pakistan. >> her father, his partner and siblings fled the uk for pakistan after sarah was found dead at her home in woking last month. a postmortem examination month. a post mortem examination found she'd suffered multiple injuries over an extended period of time . rishi sunak says he and of time. rishi sunak says he and india's prime minister narendra modi have a lot of hard work still to do before a trade deal can be reached. the prime minister refused to put a deadune minister refused to put a deadline on the agreement and has warned that a deal is not a given. during the g20 summit in delhi, delegates also agreed on a joint message with strong language about russia's illegal war in ukraine. rishi sunak says the summit can pave the way for opportunities between the countries . countries. >> prime minister modi and i had a very warm and productive

discussion on a range of different things with regard to the trade deal. there's a desire on both of our parts to see a successful trade deal concluded . the opportunities are there for both countries , but there is for both countries, but there is a hard that's still a lot of hard work that's still to need to work to go and we need to work through do. but through that as we will do. but i think there's also opportunities for to us deepen our relationship and lots of different . and he different areas. and he and i talked about as well, talked about that as well, whether and whether it's in defence and security education research security, in education research , all sorts of things . , all sorts of things. >> well, if you're out and about today , you'll know it's a hot one. >> well, in fact it's the hottest day of the year so far. it's hit 32.7 c at heathrow . it's hit 32.7 c at heathrow. it's hit 32.7 c at heathrow. it's the sixth day in a row the uk has recorded a temperature over 30 degrees. and forecasters say the record is likely to continue until the end of this week . well, until tomorrow then, week. well, until tomorrow then, with an amber heat alert in place. but the met office is also warning of potential thunder storms from this afternoon, perhaps a relief to some. and a yellow warning for thunderstorms has been issued for northern ireland for tomorrow . this for northern ireland for

tomorrow. this is gb news on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker to say play gb news now return to nana . news now return to nana. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> it's just coming >> good afternoon. >> it'sjust coming up >> good afternoon. >> it's just coming up to six minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . digital radio. i'm nana akua. now other than my parents, the queen was one of the most important people and one of the people that i felt i knew since childhood. a continual presence and a force for good . now a lot and a force for good. now a lot of people looking from the outside in. myself included, looked at the queen as though we thought the job was relatively easy. us wanted to be easy. many of us wanted to be her or a princess at least. i mean, how hard can it be? waving hello and goodbye flying to any part of the world you desire. heading up unions of countries who on the whole adore you and being able to meet whoever you want. plus, as a bonus , you'll want. plus, as a bonus, you'll never need money. the money

needs you. it's got your face on it. i mean, what's not to love? sounds like a dream job, but by god, it's probably one of the if not the hardest in the world. which is why , by the likes of which is why, by the likes of meghan markle, couldn't hack it. why? because it requires selflessness . it's about service selflessness. it's about service to others , not service to to others, not service to yourself . and watching the queen yourself. and watching the queen who made it look effortless, by the way, it's understandable why many may have looked on thinking that it was easy. there have been good and bad times, of course. i mean, how can we forget annus horribilis in 1992 when a catalogue of royal disasters occurred, including a fire at windsor castle, first built by william the conqueror in 1070 and the home to the queen during the world war, which untold damage. the which caused untold damage. the fire there and an argument ensued about who would actually fit the for bill it. i remember recollections may vary that awful and unforgivable betrayal by grandson prince harry and his wife, meghan markle , supposed wife, meghan markle, supposed advocates of mental health who appear to be deliberately

inflicting harm onto the royal family blind to the damage it would have caused. the mental health of the queen in her last years. and of course, those within the family . but mainly within the family. but mainly i remember the good times , the remember the good times, the numerous jubilee celebrations i was honoured to present her platinum one year on gb news, marking her 70 years of service. a once in a lifetime opportunity, then to be part of the presenting team for the funeral. a sombre but incredibly memorable occasion. was memorable occasion. and i was able to be part of history with the plum seat at the coronation of king charles iii taking over from the legendary nigel farage for broadcasting live for gb news from buckingham palace and nobody does pomp and ceremony better than us here in the uk. the famous red arrows, the changing of the guard and the trooping of the colour traditions that tourists flock to see and there is, of course, all the work that the royal family continue to do, putting their names to charities to highlight of those their names to charities to high aret of those their names to charities to high are less of those their names to charities to high are less fortunate those their names to charities to high are less fortunate .hose their names to charities to high are less fortunate . and king who are less fortunate. and king charles has proven that he can

take reins. after all, he's take the reins. after all, he's had the longest had one of the longest apprenticeships history. apprenticeships in history. a new, teacher than his new, better teacher than his mother, the queen prince william, has also had the pleasure of watching this brilliant show with his grandparents fulfilling their role of service to the british public. role of service to the british pubuc.the role of service to the british public. the lesser said about harry, the better the queen was laid to rest with her soulmate and life partner, prince philip, who was a remarkable example of what one would dream a partner to be by her side no matter what her strength and stay. never complained, never explained. and she did what a woman. may she never did what a woman. may she never did what a woman. may she rest in peace. long live the king . but of course mean had to king. but of course mean had to talk about the queen. incredible woman. but before we get stuck into debate, here's what else is coming for the great coming up today for the great british this hour. british debate. this hour. i'm asking, prepared for asking, is britain prepared for the changing climate as brits swelter through 30 degrees? heat for i think it's, what, five, six only we as a country six days? only we as a country are we ever prepared for a change in the weather, whether

it's heat that it's the rain, snow, heat that leaves the wrong leaves on the track or even wind, which actually we want because we've got ridiculous wind farms got these ridiculous wind farms , our infrastructure struggles . , our infrastructure struggles. then stay tuned. at 450, it's royal roundup time. and royal biographer be biographer angela levin will be live the studio give me live in the studio to give me the behind the the latest from behind the palace on the menu, palace walls on the on the menu, one year from the death of the queen, royal have queen, the royal family have led tributes late majesty as tributes to her late majesty as the remembers legacy . the world remembers her legacy. then stay at 5:00. it's then stay tuned at 5:00. it's this week's difficult conversation. minister of conversation. former minister of state ann widdecombe will be in the as terror the studio live as terror suspect daniel khalifi is arrested today. plenty of questions are beginning to be raised about how he managed to escape in the first place. that's all the way in the next houn that's all the way in the next hour. tell me you think on hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email me at . everything we're discussing. email me at. gb news. all everything we're discussing. email me at . gb news. all right, tweet me at. gb news. all right, let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel. i'm being joined by broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and entrepreneur matt faddes. right.

well, welcome on board, matt. you look scared. >> but between us two, that's right. it's like a nana lizzie sandwich crammed in a little bit nervous, but don't be nervous . nervous, but don't be nervous. come on now. on lizzie, you go first. start him off. go on. yes, well, the queen. what can i say? historic moment when she passed. i mean, i think everyone remember was where they were. i certainly do. i was in the pub, actually, but i just remembered just before that , remembering us just before that, remembering us getting a bit worried about it. and i remember i think it was at prime minister's question time that i'd been watching and i remember, you know, the whispers keir thinking not keir starmer thinking she's not well , keir starmer thinking she's not well, something's happened and i have to say, i mean, not i mean, i felt as you said, nana you lost a member of the family or a very close friend. how it felt and i was quite shocked at my reaction. i was so upset. as you said, she's always been constant. she's always been there. and whenever we've had something terrible happen , she something terrible happen, she she would her words , we'd listen

she would her words, we'd listen to her. i remember throughout the covid, you know, when we were all going through that and lockdowns and we waited for her speech and her her words just had this wonderful calm ing way and made us think everything's going to be okay. well, she's the only one that you could take seriously. >> w— >> really. i mean, you know these exactly these politicians. exactly >> you never saw >> and, you know, you never saw her , moaning. what her whinging, moaning. what a sense of duty she was always there with a smile, unlike other royals, which we know and what is so sad that she sadly passed and without harry and meghan putting the story right, that there wasn't a you know, a racist in the royal family which was very but for me , there was very sad. but for me, there will be no one ever like her again . and it seems to me since again. and it seems to me since her passing, we've gone from crisis i mean , losing crisis to crisis. i mean, losing bofis crisis to crisis. i mean, losing boris johnson, liz truss , nhs boris johnson, liz truss, nhs shambles, everything . you know, shambles, everything. you know, since the queen we've lost come off hasn't it? >> the lids come off. yeah. >> the lids come off. yeah. >> the lids come off. yeah. >> the ladies come off and we really do. well i certainly do . really do. well i certainly do. and in our and i think everyone in our viewers miss her very much. >> faddes , matt so , so my

>> matt faddes, matt so, so my view is, i know you said earlier on that she had an incredible life . life. >> private jets, big palaces . >> private jets, big palaces. but in reality, i think she had much of a life at all. >> she gave up her life for everyone. >> i mean, what could she really do? >> she couldn't go and sunbathe on brighton like a lot of on brighton pier like a lot of people now, people were doing right now, could couldn't go could she? she couldn't go anywhere. she couldn't go shopping. couldn't do shopping. she couldn't do anything without a team of security so she security and plans. and so she didn't i don't think it was glitz and glamour as what people think. >> it's stuck in those palaces and everything pre—planned and working day and night. and you can see the stories from when she gets early. she for she gets up early. she works for her like the influence her box, just like the influence from father. she that from her father. she had that work everyone work ethic and everyone wondered why didn't hand the why she didn't hand over the crown to prince charles earlier . but now you kind of see it, she she was very good at not emotionally respond ing to world problems . so emotionally respond ing to world problems. so the problems that we see every day and challenges like when we went through the pandemic, she had a very good calming effect on everyone. she wouldn't react and her, you

know, statement she always used power, but never complaining. she never did complain, you know, think a lot us do know, and i think a lot of us do complain about things complain a lot about things a little much. i enjoy it. little bit too much. i enjoy it. >> sometimes just for >> sometimes i just whinge for the hell of it. >> love moan. >> you love a good moan. >> you love a good moan. >> sometimes i do. >> sometimes you know i do. sometimes i do is i stand sometimes what i do is i stand in front of the mirror and i start whingeing and i suddenly realise here hours realise i've been here for hours , control everything . , control everything. >> but you see, that's where meghan could have learned so much from our queen. me? no, much from our queen. for me? no, not from you. i think took not from you. i think she took it from tv but meghan could it from you. tv but meghan could have so from our have taken so much from our queen.i have taken so much from our queen. i mean, she apparently the absolutely adored the queen absolutely adored meghan. they got on very well . meghan. they got on very well. and it's such a shame that meghan the of respect meghan had the lack of respect and didn't , you know, look up to and didn't, you know, look up to the and respect her more. the queen and respect her more. >> well, i think she did, though i slightly i think that's slightly unfair on did say on meghan because she did say she some she every time there was some complaining things would complaining things she would say, but queen's say, you know, but the queen's lovely philip. so lovely and prince philip. so they nice. but they were always very nice. but then did in the last then what they did in the last few of, know, whilst few years of, you know, whilst prince they prince philip was dying, they were that were prepared to knock out that live oprah and then

live bit on oprah and then knowing and then come out with the whole thing about the racists the royal family racists in the royal family >> meghan would know if >> but but meghan would know if she's her, you she's talking about her, you know, the queen's children, it's going to hurt queen going to hurt the queen you would think would. it would think she would. so it doesn't make any sense. she could so great. meghan could have been so great. meghan that's and that's the sad bit. and as you said, it's hard being a royal. and meghan, obviously thought it was to be easy. all red was going to be easy. all red carpets glamour glitter carpets and glamour and glitter and and that's why and it wasn't. and that's why the did it selflessly. the queen did it so selflessly. i think could have i don't think meghan could have been i don't think meghan could have beei think were deluded into >> i think we were deluded into a false sense of, oh, this is a wonderful race person. wonderful mixed race person. they're into they're going to come into the family and they're to be family and they're going to be a unhen family and they're going to be a uniter. if we'd actually family and they're going to be a uniter. at if we'd actually family and they're going to be a uniter. at meghan'sctually family and they're going to be a uniter. at meghan's record , we looked at meghan's record, we would realised that that's would have realised that that's actually dream. actually a pipe dream. >> mad at the timing of everything was awful wasn't everything was awful too, wasn't it ? it? >> there was chances there that things delayed >> there was chances there that thin for delayed >> there was chances there that thin for year delayed >> there was chances there that thin for year so delayed >> there was chances there that thin for year so wouldn't and for a year or so it wouldn't have and harry and have hurt meghan and harry and it was such a huge moment. i think anyone prepared for think anyone was prepared for how to be. i do how big it was going to be. i do remember when rumours remember when the rumours started to circulate and people who friends in media or who have got friends in media or friends the military , you friends in the military, you start people

start hearing that people i first heard, i got friends who work in the military. they got told any leave you've got, cancel that was like cancel it. that was like mid—afternoon. we all knew mid—afternoon. and we all knew it was coming, but it was very hard to believe. >> but yeah, and i think also it affected i affected all generations. i remember my son ringing me. he was 21 crying, saying, oh mum, the queen's dead. and he was really he said, it's all really crying. he said, it's all i've ever known. and like i've ever known. and it's like it's known. it's all we've ever known. >> grandmother and she >> nation's grandmother and she was woman on the was the most famous woman on the on in every country on the planet in every country knew queen. knew the queen. >> said the queen, we knew >> if we said the queen, we knew it majesty. it was her majesty. >> listen, going to >> well, listen, we're going to chat what are chat about that. and what are your well? thank you your thoughts as well? thank you for matt. i thought for us, matt. i thought you did very our very well. it's good. of our first our little chinwag. first our first little chinwag. thank you. fabulous that's brilliant. matt faddes and lizzie cundy, joining lizzie cundy, they'll be joining me is me throughout the show. this is gb online on gb news on tv, online and on digital still come gb news on tv, online and on digitweek, still come gb news on tv, online and on digitweek, difficult come this week, difficult conversation. minister of conversation. former minister of state the brilliant conversation. former minister of statywiddecombe the brilliant conversation. former minister of statywiddecombe will brilliant conversation. former minister of statywiddecombe will bri joining ann widdecombe will be joining me give her reaction to the me to give her reaction to the arrest of terror suspect daniel khalifi but first, get khalifi. but first, let's get some weather . some weather. >> warm feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news.

weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office . so it's been a fairly hot week across the uk and not a huge amount changing throughout this weekend . we've got those isobars weekend. we've got those isobars fairly spread out, so bringing us some light winds and still bringing that air up from the south. warm as well. south. so fairly warm as well. we've some heavy showers we've seen some heavy showers and thunderstorms throughout today and they will slowly ease away as we go through tonight. so leaving a fairly dry night for , though, a bit of rain for many, though, a bit of rain and across far and drizzle across the far northwest coast, though, as we go of go into the early hours of sunday area of heavy sunday morning. an area of heavy showers thunderstorms showers and thunderstorms starting to push into the southwest. and that's all during another humid night. so another warm and humid night. so to start sunday morning, those showers will make their way north eastwards into wales , the north eastwards into wales, the midlands and later on into northern england, northern ireland and into southern scotland. they could be scotland. and they could be pretty heavy bringing some hail and thunderstorms as well as some strong , gusty winds. so do

some strong, gusty winds. so do keep eye on the forecast if keep an eye on the forecast if you and about in these you are out and about in these areas tomorrow. but it will be another day, especially in another warm day, especially in the south—east with highs of 32 now looking towards the new working week, a bit of mist, fog and low cloud in the west to start . but and low cloud in the west to start. but this and low cloud in the west to start . but this area and low cloud in the west to start. but this area rain start. but this area of rain will slowly, erratically spread its way south eastwards with some thunderstorms as well developing just ahead of that. and that changeable autumnal theme continuing as we go through rest of next week through the rest of next week with temperatures slowly declining . declining back down to average. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> well, stay with me because coming up, it's my weekly royal roundup with angela levin in our wonderful we love i love all the royal stuff. but up next, it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is britain for prepared the i've the changing climate? i've got to now on twitter to pull up right now on twitter asking that question . asking you that very question. is prepared the is britain prepared for the changing climate ? send your changing climate? send me your

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asking is britain prepared for the changing climate now with september facing record breaking temperatures, are we prepared for extreme weather? is our infrastructure and policies? are they weatherproof ? if trains they weatherproof? if trains shut down when there's too much rain or too many leaves on the track, schools closed when it snows and it's only a tiny, tiny amount when you compare it to the amount snow that's the amount of snow that's received places like canada received in places like canada and of uk houses and the majority of uk houses are built, aren't built to retain heat and they're not even built prepared to for extreme cold either . so what do built prepared to for extreme cold either. so what do you think? is this country ready for the weather? gb news northern ireland reporter dougie beattie was in portrush earlier today. >> welcome to the north antrim coast . this is one of northern coast. this is one of northern ireland's top holiday destinations. it stretches from ballycastle right out around as far as london. derry. i'm in the small town of portrush now . it small town of portrush now. it has been very, very warm here, although we have now had a few showers. you can almost feel the

thunder in the air. but what has it been like for those that live andindeed it been like for those that live and indeed are visiting here over the past couple of days? >> i would do so . quite a few >> i would do so. quite a few barbecues, barbecue packs , but barbecues, barbecue packs, but over there as well, it helps us sell a lot more. >> well, the last few days >> so well, the last few days it's been great. >> lovely . >> lovely. >> lovely. >> rolleston and the north >> so as rolleston and the north coast here at the minute and the hair where is hair salons where the hair is going us, all we are going around us, all we are sweltered. >> but lovely to see them >> but it's lovely to see them all and about and lovely all out and about and lovely weather about for us all weather being about for us all to so to enjoy. so >> so there may be a few barbecues this evening, but you will require an umbrella with thunderstorms predicted for tomorrow in this area. it really is the end of northern ireland. summer that, of course , is the summer that, of course, is the fabulous dougie beattie there in northern ireland. >> joining me now to discuss reem ibrahim, communications officer of the institute of economic , benny peiser. economic affairs, benny peiser. he's director for global he's the director for global warming foundation. peter warming policy foundation. peter spencer , political commentator. spencer, political commentator. and john grant, senior lecturer in sustainable construction and

climate . i'm going to climate change. i'm going to start with benny peiser. he's the director for global warming, the director for global warming, the policy foundation. benny the policy foundation. so benny , look, we're getting all this this weather . , look, we're getting all this this weather. i , look, we're getting all this this weather . i don't know this weather. i don't know whether people are calling it global warming. think they're global warming. i think they're using change using the term climate change now i don't know whether now because i don't know whether we're cooling , but is we're warming or cooling, but is this do you see it as this country do you see it as prepared for any weather condition at all? it just doesn't everything isn't it's never . never right. >> well , this country loves to >> well, this country loves to talk about the weather. >> it doesn't. it >> it doesn't. it >> and i mean, we are blessed with one of the most benign and moderate weather systems in the world. we don't have harsh winters. we don't have really hot summers. this summer was a most of it was a washout. was terrible. we had nice june and a few, you know, warm days in september. >> but by and large, it was a washout. and so whenever the sun comes out , there are these comes out, there are these health warnings and, you know,

95% of the time the weather is just nice and benign and fine. >> and the problem is that our political elites think that they can change the climate by building all these wind turbines and solar panels and things that makes any difference to the climate. >> we're wasting hundreds of billions of pounds on these virtual signalling measures. instead of actually making our cities more resilient because they will always be flooding, there will be possibly more flooding. who knows ? but flooding. who knows? but flooding. who knows? but flooding will be with us. there will always be storms. there might be a few drought years. so these are things we can tackle and we should tackle head on. >> well, i, i hear what you're saying, john grant, if you respond to what he's saying, whether you think this , because whether you think this, because i what you're saying, i think by what you're saying, ben, is that actually we're going it the wrong way. going about it the wrong way. >> you think we're going >> do you think we're going about if we want to do something about if we want to do something about making britain more

resilient to weather extremes , resilient to weather extremes, which do happen from time to time, then the worst thing is to build wind turbines and solar panels and spend the money on adaptation. >> make our buildings more resilient , >> make our buildings more resilient, make our infrastructure more resilient. that's money spent really well and will make a difference . and will make a difference. >> you make a good point. >> you make a good point. >> he makes a good point. come on. i mean, like john, we're building these things. these will the things that go will be the first things that go in weather. in in extreme weather. >> absolute . absolutely. >> absolute. absolutely. >> absolute. absolutely. >> there is no denial >> there's no there is no denial that building as well as you can build and building them as those buildings, as resilient and thermally stable so that they don't get too hot in the summer and don't get too cold in the winter. >> and to think about the fact that we're going to get a lot more rain because of, you know, a warmer atmosphere is going to carry does carry more moisture and we happen to be in that that weather part, that thing that gives us that benign climate

also that, you know, we're also means that, you know, we're getting more rain as well. and it's not as predictable as it used to be. it used to be we got most of our in the winter. most of our rain in the winter. it just comes all sorts of times. you know, that times. and so, you know, that resilience. yeah, but we are in a climate emergency. yeah. and we need to drop our carbon emissions. >> john but his point is things like wind turbines, solar panels , if they're they're no good in extreme weather is the point. >> they might be good for capturing some sort of electricity . if electricity or whatever. but if we're flooding, they're we're having flooding, they're very but you're having very good. but if you're having flooding and things like that, which talking why flooding and things like that, whiwe talking why flooding and things like that, whiwe botheringing why flooding and things like that, whiwe bothering with why flooding and things like that, whiwe bothering with them why flooding and things like that, whiwe bothering with them ?hy are we bothering with them? >> bothering with them >> you're bothering with them because cheapest because they're the cheapest way of producing electricity. if you they are half the price, their electric offshore wind out of dogger bank is half the price of the standard gas rated electricity at the moment. so you know, if you want the british people to spend more and subsidise the oil and gas industry more , then then, you industry more, then then, you know, keep going with that. and as well as as well as that, that

we need to be responsible with reducing our carbon emissions. so, yes, make the lives more stable for the people. but we also have to play our part in terms of reducing our carbon emissions. so we can limit the impact. >> i want to go to reem because she's shaking her head. >> i mean, they might be cheapen >> i mean, they might be cheaper, you cheaper, but if you have a terrible and all blow terrible storm and they all blow down, you've got to build down, then you've got to build some room. some more room. >> absolutely . look, >> oh, absolutely. and look, i think to course, think the uk needs to of course, get about adaptation on. get serious about adaptation on. but you know, just but obviously, you know, just just recently we saw that just very recently we saw that the the on the government lifted the ban on offshore, onshore wind. i think that's a that's a step the that's a that's a step in the right course, right direction. of course, trying energy trying to increase energy security. think that we security. but i think that we need stop terrorising need to stop terrorising especially young people and will use that word stop terrorising use that word stop terrorising us this sort of climate us with this sort of climate doom, you know , of course, you doom, you know, of course, you know, the reality is that we, you know, we're not doomed. we've of course need reduce we've of course need to reduce carbon emissions. but at, you know, emergency is, know, the climate emergency is, so to speak, isn't going to make us drown. it isn't to make us drown. it isn't going to make us drown. it isn't going to make us as as us die. and as long as technology we are

technology allows us, we are able reduce emissions able to reduce carbon emissions and we are doing that. but i think that these of think that these kind of exaggerated that we've exaggerated threats that we've that we've obviously had previously are kind of renting us entirely , sort of this entire us entirely, sort of this entire generation in capacitated. we are human beings. we are able to adapt. we have adapted before and able adapt now. and we're able to adapt now. clearly, adapting over the clearly, we're adapting over the summer and we're seeing these kind climate change and the kind of climate change and the impact that's having. but impact that that's having. but we scaring people we need to stop scaring people into thinking that we're in this kind huge emergency we're into thinking that we're in this kin going jge emergency we're into thinking that we're in this kin going toe emergency we're into thinking that we're in this kin going to die|ergency we're into thinking that we're in this kin going to die tomorrow. we're into thinking that we're in this kin going to die tomorrow. it's/e're all going to die tomorrow. it's just and just not the case. and unfortunately , to be losing us unfortunately, to be losing us huge amounts of economic activity. >> peter spencer i have to say i do take the exact opposite view there. >> in my judgement, you just you just. >> but you look at freak climate events happening every day right through the last few months. some of them potentially qatar strophic and we've got governments , not just ours, but governments, not just ours, but across the world still in make do and mend mode when i would say that the inconvenient truth

is that the climate change exists. and the other inconvenient truth is that it's going to cost us and the third inconvenient truth is that i think it's coming at us faster than we think. i mean, we think we've got a slight problem with migrants we're just imagine migrants now. we're just imagine when chunks planet when chunks of the planet become uninhabited because the crops won't grow or whatever , and won't grow or whatever, and you've millions of people on you've got millions of people on the now, i would call that the move. now, i would call that a migrant crisis, if there a migrant crisis, if ever there was one. >> p n e i mean, i p— >> i mean, also i mean, i would say we have the government. say that we have the government. >> government >> we have the government currently a bit currently trying to make a bit of a wedge issue out of the mayor of london, expanding the ulez thing, the ultra low emission thing, and saying, oh, well , you're emission thing, and saying, oh, well, you're a bunch eco well, you're a bunch of eco fanatics, you know , conveniently fanatics, you know, conveniently forgetting that was boris forgetting that it was boris johnson's idea in the first place. >> i would that in the >> i would argue that in the circumstance is what we need is a government of national unity. so you don't get these absurd different nations between the two parties that say that. of course. i mean, no one's going to listen to me, but hey, i feel better getting it off my chest. >> i want quickly go to benny

>> i want to quickly go to benny because shook his head. because he had shook his head. >> benny, got 20s. >> benny, you've got about 20s. i'm you end this i'm going to let you end this because you're shaking your head a was saying. because you're shaking your head a you was saying. because you're shaking your head a you know was saying. because you're shaking your head a you know 'seriouslyg. because you're shaking your head a you know 'seriously wrong >> you know how seriously wrong all are . all these policies are. >> need to listen to >> you just need to listen to the the bank the former governor of the bank of england who says whole of england who says this whole obsession with net zero is driving up inflation, is driving up the cost of energy and will make it unaffordable for many people to adapt if we get poorer evermore more because energy pnces evermore more because energy prices go through the roof. so the policies are wrong . we are the policies are wrong. we are making the wrong priorities. we should look at making cities more resilient, buildings more resilient, and forget about these virtue signalling nonsense that has no impact whatsoever on the climate. >> thank you so much , ibrahim. >> thank you so much, ibrahim. good to talk to you. the communications officer for the institute economic affairs, institute of economic affairs, benny . the director institute of economic affairs, beglobal . the director institute of economic affairs, beglobal warming the director institute of economic affairs, be global warming policy. �*ector institute of economic affairs, beglobal warming policy. peter of global warming policy. peter spencen of global warming policy. peter spencer, commentator, of global warming policy. peter spe|john commentator, of global warming policy. peter spe|john grant commentator, of global warming policy. peter spe|john grant, commentator, of global warming policy. peter spe|john grant, senior1entator, of global warming policy. peter spe|john grant, senior lecturer and john grant, senior lecturer in sustainable construction and climate well, that's climate change. well, that's their . what are yours? their thoughts. what are yours? this is gb news on air, online and on digital radio. i'm nana

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been injured by a powerful earthquake in morocco. cctv captures the moment the earthquake measuring 6.8 magnitude, struck marrakesh . magnitude, struck marrakesh. it's thought many of the deaths occurred in the remote areas of the atlas mountains . at the the atlas mountains. at the epicentre, the moroccan army has been dispatched there to help search rescue efforts. search and rescue efforts. foreign james cleverly foreign secretary james cleverly says the uk's supporting british nationals in country and the nationals in the country and the prime minister says he and his indian counterpart narendra modi have a lot of hard work. still to do before trade deal can be to do before a trade deal can be reached . but prime minister reached. but the prime minister refused on the refused to put a deadline on the agreement warning that agreement and is warning that a deal a mr sunak has also deal is not a mr sunak has also said the delegates at the g 20 summit have agreed on a joint message with strong language about russia's illegal war in ukraine, adding russia is completely isolated and the police service of northern ireland says military grade explosives and weapons, which could have been used by dissident republicans to attack police, have been recovered in londonderry, a 16 officers were

injured in the creggan area as police came under attack by crowds where they conducted the raids . two crowds where they conducted the raids. two men and a woman have been arrested under the terrorism act. authorities say their main focus is on the new ira more details on all of our stories on our website. as always . gbnews.com. now it's always. gbnews.com. now it's back to nana . back to nana. >> thank you, aaron. still to come, it's this week's difficult conversation . former minister of conversation. former minister of state for prisons and widikum with her reaction on the arrest of terror suspect daniel kilifi . but next, it's our great british debate. and is britain prepared for the changing

sunday mornings from 930 on . gb news. >> good afternoon . this is gb >> good afternoon. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm now chrisjust news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm now chris just coming up to 40 minutes after 4:00. we're live but now it's time for the great british debate. this houn the great british debate. this hour. and i'm asking, is britain for prepared the changing climate with september already seeing record breaking temperatures, are we prepared for extreme weather? i mean, is our infrastructure and our policies , are they weatherproof policies, are they weatherproof trains shut down when there's too much rain or schools closed when there's too much snow? and that's not even very much snow if you compare it to other countries. and the majority of uk be built uk houses don't seem to be built to retain either heat or cold. so what do you think? is this

country ready? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, prepared british debate this hour, i'm askichanging prepared british debate this hour, i'm askichanging climate)ared british debate this hour, i'm askichanging climate ?red british debate this hour, i'm askichanging climate ? let's see british debate this hour, i'm askic myging climate ? let's see british debate this hour, i'm askic my panel imate ? let's see british debate this hour, i'm askic my panel make ? let's see british debate this hour, i'm askic my panel make of_et's see british debate this hour, i'm askic my panel make of_et's si'm what my panel make of that. i'm joined by broadcaster and columnist lizzie and columnist lizzie cundy and also entrepreneur fiddes. matt, entrepreneur matt fiddes. matt, what you think this country what do you think this country are we prepared for it? we're always problem. always it's always a problem. >> moan about >> yeah, well, we moan about everything don't we? >> yeah, well, we moan about everytabout don't we? >> yeah, well, we moan about everytabout when don't we? >> yeah, well, we moan about everytabout when it's don't we? >> yeah, well, we moan about everytabout when it's don't \when moan about when it's sunny, when it's when snowing , it's cold, when it's snowing, when it's raining. never when it's raining. we're never happy. with weather? happy. are we? with the weather? but true . there's things but that's true. there's things that are developing. i mean, but that's true. there's things that nighteveloping. i mean, but that's true. there's things that night was)ping. i mean, but that's true. there's things that night was)pingtough an, but that's true. there's things that night was)pingtough with last night was very tough with the found it extremely hot. >> i found it extremely hot. >> i found it extremely hot. >> and amazing wife >> and it's amazing how my wife just in the just messaged me actually in the break shall i go and break and said, shall i go and buy some air conditioning units for kids for the house to keep the kids cool? days time, cool? trouble is, two days time, you're about two you're probably about two cold and again. and raining again. >> turn to heat >> can they turn to heat as well? that go well? if you get ones that go from heat as well? yeah from air to heat as well? yeah you those. from air to heat as well? yeah youyou those. from air to heat as well? yeah youyou probablyse. from air to heat as well? yeah youyou probably can, but it does >> you probably can, but it does switch. changing . my switch. things are changing. my wife's africa. wife's from south africa. they've had snow this time for the first time in many, many, many years. like 40 years in south africa. yeah proper south africa. yeah like proper snow. happens . snow. and that never happens. >> and they've bad summers. >> and they've had bad summers. we've not really summer we've had not really a summer have . have we been. >> this has been it the last week to be.

>> probably handled >> they probably handled the snow we do, though. >> they probably handled the snow they're we do, though. >> they probably handled the snow they're fascinated. though. >> they probably handled the snow they're fascinated by ough. >> they probably handled the snow they're fascinated by itgh. well, they're fascinated by it. >> don't about >> they don't moan about it. they play great. they go and play great. >> yeah, yeah. not everything shuts do you think? >> yeah, mn— >> yeah, but were you always have alarmists, we, have these alarmists, don't we, when sun. when we've got a bit of sun. it's boiling . we're burning. it's boiling. we're burning. it's boiling. we're burning. it's . look, we've had it's so hot. look, we've had just what, a few days where it's been 30 degrees. and you know what? in three months time it's going to get cold and it'll be the wrong sort of snow, you know? and i think we've got to look at this doom gloom that look at this doom and gloom that some say . i look at this doom and gloom that some say. i mean, it's some people say. i mean, it's 45% of adults think that actually the uk government has got a good adaptation to to how cope with the climate. but let's be honest, net zero, it's hurting the economy here. we've got rishi once again on on on the world net zero stage and he's little tight suits thinking he's little tight suits thinking he's really great. well, i'm sorry what are you doing ? what's sorry what are you doing? what's it about? i mean when we've got, you know, we're only 1% of carbon emissions compared to india , china and the us. i mean, india, china and the us. i mean,

seriously. and it's hurting our economy. it really is. and you know, and if he had a backbone , know, and if he had a backbone, if he wasn't like a jellyfish, he would scrap ulez and do something about this because thatis something about this because that is just a tax. >> well, i mean, i'm glad you mentioned since mentioned india, because since our wonderful exploits net our wonderful exploits into net zero, down top zero, we've slipped down the top five. because we've always five. now because we've always said we're the fifth largest economy but the looks of economy. but by the looks of things, like are things, it looks like we are now the economy. the sixth largest economy. and india going front of india are going up in front of us. but we also give them foreign aid , which makes no foreign aid, which makes no sense me at sense to me at all. >> who was first on the >> and who was first on the moon? india >> think it was on the >> yeah, i think it was on the dark side. >> yeah, i think it was on the dark sideside of the moon. >> dark side of the moon. >> dark side of the moon. >> album. that one, >> great album. that one, really. but one of the things >> great album. that one, reallbenny one of the things >> great album. that one, reallbenny one owhich hings >> great album. that one, reallbenny one owhich hithought >> great album. that one, reali quite y one owhich hi thought >> great album. that one, reaquuite interesting,hhithought was quite interesting, was that even the infrastructure that we're in to sort we're putting in place to sort of around this zero of get get around this net zero thing. turbine is thing. so wind turbine is onshore. imagine those in a big storm like a really bad storm. aren't they going to uproot and end up in your backyard and solar panels? i mean, how resilient are they if it floods and if you're doing and if whilst we are on it, they're talking about pylons , new miles

talking about pylons, new miles of pylons so that we can transport this electricity from these turbines over these wind turbines like over 100 it. if there is a 100 miles of it. if there is a flood or there is a landslip or all these things . yes. how good all these things. yes. how good is electricity with water? i just we it's this just think that we are it's this wonderful idea of having the sustainable form of but sustainable form of energy, but we're thinking about the we're not thinking about the environment all. everything's environment at all. everything's going evolving. going to be evolving. >> all is stuff that >> all of this is stuff that should been sorted out should have been sorted out years , shouldn't it? but years ago now, shouldn't it? but it's other it's basic stuff. other countries out countries are sorted this out and we're supposed to be a first countries are sorted this out and wcountry. )osed to be a first countries are sorted this out and wcountry. andi to be a first countries are sorted this out and wcountry. and this3e a first world country. and this is pretty problems that pretty basic problems that should been a long should have been resolved a long time i've got our schools >> look, i've got our schools that are crumbling down. i mean, the infrastructure, i mean, it's happening our prisons happening in our prisons everywhere. , really, everywhere. you know, really, we're from crisis to we're going from crisis to crisis . crisis. >> well, m... m- % well, at least we >> well, yeah, well, at least we can't for can't blame the weather for the schools, but this show is nothing without you and your views. our great views. let's welcome our great british they're british voices. they're opportunity show opportunity to be on the show and what they think and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. this hour, discussing. and this hour, let's go regular gb news go over to my regular gb news voice, harris. there in voice, lee harris. he's there in bristol. is it sunny and bristol. lee is it sunny and lovely in bristol ? lovely in bristol? >> oh, it is lovely today.

>> oh, it is lovely today. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> we've been we've got the paddung >> we've been we've got the paddling pool out in the garden. it's wonderful . it's wonderful. >> can't complain at all. nana it's wonderful. >> beautiful.nplain at all. nana it's beautiful. >> you think about >> so what do you think about this comes this country then, when it comes to weather? we prepared to the weather? are we prepared in terms infrastructure and in terms of infrastructure and are of the are we actually thinking of the wrong infrastructure to wrong types of infrastructure to sort this whole net zero sort of fix this whole net zero crisis? they're talking about crisis? if they're talking about such turbulent weather on the way , no, you're absolutely way, say no, you're absolutely right . right. >> f personally >> well, i'm personally prepared, i've got my hat. prepared, nana i've got my hat. i'm being quite fair skinned. >> factor 50 at the >> i've got factor 50 at the ready as well. i'm having a barbecue later, so prepared. barbecue later, so i'm prepared. but absolutely right. but you are absolutely right. >> you know, this question has been at for many years. been laughed at for many years. >> i'm 42 and for as long as i can remember , the country has can remember, the country has always terrible. always been terrible. >> gets little >> when it gets like a little bit a little bit too bit too hot or a little bit too cold, everything seems to break. our businesses our schools and businesses closed. you get two closed. if you get two centimetres of snow on, all the trains are cancelled. >> too hot, our roads >> if it's too hot, our roads and runways melt. >> um, it's genuinely pretty, pretty bad. >> we're a bit useless . all you >> we're a bit useless. all you can is laugh. expect the can do is laugh. expect the worst and plan accordingly. >> but it genuinely, as you've

been has serious been saying, has serious implications the economy . implications for the economy. um, you know, our infrastructure generally in the uk is designed better, designed to keep us warm rather than cool. and it takes it's going to take, as you can probably imagine , like a huge probably imagine, like a huge amount of time, money major amount of time, money and major disruption upgrade and disruption to upgrade and retrofit infrastructure . retrofit our infrastructure. >> and as usual, very little has happened over the years by successive governments for as long as i can remember. they'd be better off, as lizzie said, scrapping net zero, cancelling phase two of hs2, which apparently will save us about 150 billion, and redirecting some of that money into improving our current infrastructure, of which i've said on here time and time again. >> nana um, but you know, as things stand, as far as i read, about 20% of uk infrastructure is really kind of liable or sorry, at risk of overheating . sorry, at risk of overheating. >> so yeah, it's pretty bad. but isuppose >> so yeah, it's pretty bad. but i suppose we, we're pretty used to it here. >> well, lee harris , always >> well, lee harris, always a pleasure. thank you so much. thatis pleasure. thank you so much. that is lee harris. he's a great british voice you're with me.

i'm this is the gb i'm nana akua. this is the gb news on tv, online and on digital come, is digital radio. still to come, is this week's difficult conversation former minister conversation and former minister of for prisons and of state for prisons and widdecombe with her reaction for the arrest of terror suspect daniel khelaifi. but first, let's update your let's get an update with your weather . weather. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon . my name is >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office . so it's been a fairly hot week across the uk and not a huge amount of changing throughout this weekend . we've got those this weekend. we've got those isobars fairly spread out, so bringing us some light winds and still bringing that air up from the south. so warm as the south. so fairly warm as well . we've seen heavy well. we've seen some heavy showers and thunderstorms throughout and they will throughout today and they will slowly away as we go slowly ease away as we go through tonight. so leaving a fairly dry night for many. they're of rain and they're a bit of rain and drizzle far northwest drizzle across the far northwest , though, as we go into the early hours sunday morning.

early hours of sunday morning. an of heavy showers and an area of heavy showers and thunderstorms starting to push into the southwest. and that's all warm and all during another warm and humid night. so to start sunday morning, those showers will make their way north eastwards into wales , the midlands and later on wales, the midlands and later on into northern england, northern ireland and into southern scotland. and they could be pretty heavy some hail pretty heavy bringing some hail and thunderstorms as well as some strong, gusty winds. so do keep an eye on the forecast if you out about in these you are out and about in these areas tomorrow , but it will be areas tomorrow, but it will be another day, especially in another warm day, especially in the with highs of 32 the south—east with highs of 32 now looking towards the new working week. a bit of mist, now looking towards the new working week. a bit of mist , fog working week. a bit of mist, fog and low cloud in the west to start. but this area of rain will slowly, erratically spread its way south eastwards with some thunderstorms as well developing just ahead of that. and that changeable autumnal theme as we go theme continuing as we go through the rest of next week with slowly with temperatures slowly declining average . declining back down to average. for the temperatures rising , for the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on gb news . news

weather on gb news. news >> good afternoon. this is gb news. welcome aboard. if you're just tuned in. coming up in the next hour , the great british next hour, the great british debate. i'm asking wolseleys truss's vision, the right one now one year of her becoming prime minister hindsight seems to that there's many to be proving that there's many things she was right about. but next, it's time for a royal roundup time . and me roundup time. and joining me in the royal biographer the studio is royal biographer andrew go anywhere

what is coming up to 52 minutes after 4:00? if you've just tuned in, welcome on board. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. we are the people's channel now. there's always something going on in the royal household and this week has different on the has been no different on the menu. on from the death menu. one year on from the death of queen elizabeth ii, the king and queen camilla have been at balmoral commemorate balmoral to commemorate her life. king and queen made life. the king and queen made the short journey to crathie kirk a private service kirk to attend a private service of thanksgiving and remembrance in honour of the late monarchs 70 reign. and every 70 year reign. and every saturday. i love to give you a rundown. and who better do rundown. and who better to do so than biographer angela than royal biographer angela levin? angela hello. what a load of things going on in the royal household. where should ? >> well, ezra!!- h start with the >> well, let's start with the queen actually. >> well, let's start with the quelyn actually. >> well, let's start with the quel mean,ally. >> well, let's start with the quel mean, when i think when you >> i mean, when i think when you look when you think look at her or when you think back her, you think that back about her, you think that she extraordinary. she is extraordinary. >> she was extra ordinarily, amazingly flexible and understanding . understanding. >> and the way she moved from

being old fashioned to modern was done very gently. >> you know , like the first >> you know, like the first child that's born is no longer going to become the monarch. >> and all these things. she tried very hard , but she didn't tried very hard, but she didn't want to show off about it. so it sort of moved forward. and the bright colours so that people could see her and i think she got through things because one, her faith, which she always felt that helped her and helped everybody that she talked to, but she did it in a gentle way, not put it down your not trying to put it down your throat and her a very , throat and her having a very, very happy marriage and someone who was very supportive of her. and also the fact that she had this duty that she promised in her early 20s that she would stay the monarch. right the way through. and that she would do it until she died. and she did that. so i believe that she died the last 2 or 3 days, although she was in a lot of pain, that she was in a lot of pain, that she felt that she had done what she felt that she had done what she promised to god. and i think that's really quite amazing. >> yeah , well, you would be

>> yeah, well, you would be satisfied with what you've done if you know , i mean, i think the if you know, i mean, i think the worst thing about it was the fact that the last few years of her life must have been awful because of the marriott, harry and meghan's scenario, because that pleasant . and that really wasn't pleasant. and i do find it ironic that people who in touch with who are supposedly in touch with medical health would have medical mental health would have put her through that because that seems like such an awful thing do. thing to do. >> i think it's terrible . >> yes, i think it's terrible. and i think started when the and i think it started when the duke of edinburgh was very seriously ill and they took no nofice seriously ill and they took no notice of that and went ahead with the opera . with the opera. >> winfrey and that was terrible , knowing that he was, you know, the close family were told that he was going to die in 1 or 2 weeks and they didn't care , and weeks and they didn't care, and they went through that. >> so anything about saying that they're victims and they've been barely badly treated is an absolute nonsense and no respect . and we've seen pictures of harry going in at windsor to go

and give his best wishes, i suppose , to the queen where she suppose, to the queen where she is buried. and you think that it was absolutely the wrong thing to see because he was responsible for her having a very, very difficult life, not her age, obviously , she could her age, obviously, she could have gone at any moment, but to actually make it worse , i think actually make it worse, i think is just shocking . and he turned is just shocking. and he turned up in a sort of creased shirt that looked as if it had been, you know, rolled into a ball dan wootton, which is also not straight. you know, he knows very well that you should dress respectfully and saying that the day before when he was giving awards . to two young children awards. to two young children who were very, very ill, awards. to two young children who were very, very ill , that who were very, very ill, that she was looking down. and she'd much rather that i was with you than with her. and she's looking down on heaven and saying, good. she's very pleased. well, how dare he say that, you know? i mean, it turns your stomach because he's been so bad about

it. >> he's been awful, hasn't he? >> he's been awful, hasn't he? >> and he hasn't helped his father, who is very upset, obviously losing his mother. but i it's all been very i think it's all been very carefully organised. and, you know, king charles and queen camilla are up in scotland . camilla are up in scotland. william and catherine are in wales in a church that she loved to go to. and made a little speech. to go to. and made a little speech . catherine was very kind speech. catherine was very kind about that and saying, you know , she was marvellous. and so warm. and we must remember all the things that she did. it was very nice, simple, but very nice . and you know, a lot of princess margaret children went to the church . and i think that to the church. and i think that the family really got together and left harry and meghan out of it. >> they must feel i mean, they must be thinking, well, i don't actually think they are, but if it were me and i were looking on this, i would there must be a level of surely do you level of regret. surely do you think there do think think that there do you think there's level regret from

there's a level of regret from prince harry? >> i think a level of >> i think there is a level of regret, think he regret, but i don't think he knows what to do. i mean, knows what else to do. i mean, his main thing please his main thing is to please meghan, and meghan doesn't want him family again. him to like his family again. and amends. meghan and try to make amends. meghan wants to umpteen wants is to get umpteen apologies for who knows what. well we don't. >> i mean, you don't know that. i mean, but. but from what i've seen, that seem to be the seen, that does seem to be the case. don't know . so, i case. but we don't know. so, i mean, a lot people say what mean, a lot of people say what meghan like mean, a lot of people say what megiand like mean, a lot of people say what megiand say like mean, a lot of people say what megiand say it like mean, a lot of people say what megiand say it as like mean, a lot of people say what megiand say it as though that, and they say it as though she has definitely that's that, and they say it as though she ishelefinitely that's that, and they say it as though she ishe wants. .y that's that, and they say it as though she ishe wants. i that's that, and they say it as though she ishe wants. i supposet's that, and they say it as though she ishe wants. i suppose it's what she wants. i suppose it's the that gives us the the behaviour that gives us the idea that it seems that idea that that it seems that that's what she wants. but what about king charles then? because it was an, you know, they do you think kind of a job do you think what kind of a job do you think what kind of a job do you think doing? doing think he's doing? is he doing a good job? >> i think he's doing a very good very interesting good job. it's very interesting because of because he did change the day of the he back the funeral when he flew back to london and they london with camilla and they were going to go into buckingham palace and have of tea. palace and have a cup of tea. very traumatic day, very moving , very long. and they didn't they could see, to their surprise , there were hundreds of surprise, there were hundreds of people from buckingham palace

and they went they stopped the car that they were in and they went out and they shook hands with people and they talked to them and thanked them. them and they thanked them. there everywhere. there were flowers everywhere. and i thought he's actually going much more going to be much more accessible. made that accessible. he's made that statement immediately . accessible. he's made that statement immediately. he he's not going to be very aggressive about anything. that's what he's going to do. and i think that he's done that all through this yeah he's done that all through this year. and i think this whole year. and i think this whole year grieving and deciding year of grieving and deciding what you want to do yourself , he what you want to do yourself, he doesn't want to change things. he wants to take the things that he learned from her that he thinks were very good, you know, a sense of duty. thinks were very good, you know, a sense of duty . and to give a sense of duty. and to give yourself as much as you can to all the subjects that you know, that you can you can do . and he that you can you can do. and he hasn't been he hasn't been sending letters in spidery spider. >> the spider. spider. >> the spider . the spider. >> the spider. the spider letters. >> the spider letters , spider >> the spider letters, spider diaries, petitions. what to do . diaries, petitions. what to do. he's been very quiet and they've i think he's sort of slightly he

has strayed into political territory here. >> and there. but you know what? i i kind of let him off for it because if he's talking about climate also, i want to climate also, i don't want to hear his views. it is a more global than political global thing than a political thing. important thing. i think it's important that work that if we are going to work together we all together on it, that we all talk. i'm still not talk. but i'm still not convinced with the but what convinced with the co2. but what about what about prince harry? very briefly, because we've got about . he's apparently about 30s. he's apparently flying the uk, to give flying to the uk, but to give awards children and then awards out to children and then people worried that he might people are worried that he might get about queen get to speak about the queen before else. before anybody else. >> he did speak the >> well, he did speak about the queen and he said she's looking down heaven. oh, yeah, down from heaven. oh, yeah, that was we're was what you say, that we're good he's gone off to good now. he's gone off to germany and invicta games. he might talk about her again , but might talk about her again, but there was concern that he would take it first. but i thought it was such a sort of wet comment, really, that actually it didn't make any difference . but they make any difference. but they have watch him. they have to watch him. they can't trust they're trust him. so they're very concerned about , trust him. so they're very concerned about, you trust him. so they're very concerned about , you know, what concerned about, you know, what he's to do next. he's going to do next. >> well, we're all concerned about but angela levin, about that. but angela levin, it's always pleasure . thank it's always a pleasure. thank you really good

you so much. it's really good to talk course, talk to you. that is of course, royal levin , royal biographer angela levin, giving from behind giving us the latest from behind the palace stay tuned. the palace wall. stay tuned. this gb views news on tv, this is gb views news on tv, onune this is gb views news on tv, online and on digital radio. still loads to come in the still loads more to come in the next . next hour. well, it's 5:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes of the big topics hitting the headlines right now on the way. next, difficult conversation next, my difficult conversation today. by former today. i'll be joined by former minister for prisons and widdecombe live in the studio . widdecombe live in the studio. we'll get her take on the escape and of terror and arrest of terror suspect daniel . then for the daniel khelaifi. then for the great british debate this hour, i'm , was truss's i'm asking, was liz truss's vision right one? but first, vision the right one? but first, let's latest news let's get your latest news headunes let's get your latest news headlines with aaron armstrong . headlines with aaron armstrong.

good evening. >> it's 5:00. i'm aaron armstrong . the gb newsroom. new armstrong. the gb newsroom. new details have emerged of how the escaped terror suspect daniel khalaf, was apprehended after four days on the run. the met police say he was pulled from a bicycle by plain clothes bicycle by a plain clothes officer on a canal towpath in nonh officer on a canal towpath in north west london. that's 12 miles from where he escaped . miles from where he escaped. wandsworth prison commander dominic murphy has thanked the pubuc dominic murphy has thanked the public for the integral role they played in caliphs arrest, which included reports and sightings, including several in chiswick. this morning, the prime minister praised efforts by the police and the public in finding him, but shadow justice secretary shabana mahmood says the conservatives have broken the conservatives have broken the prison system. >> well, we've had 13 years of mismanagement of the criminal justice system by the conservative party and the fact that situation that this situation was even allowed to happen in the first place is a national embarrassment. and so the government does have to urgently get a grip. tell tell us whether the prison estate is secure. yeah. and that they can provide

reassurance that all other similar suspects who are in our prisons are in the correct category of prison. bearing in mind the offences that are alleged and that that prison estate is secure, or at least 1000 people have been killed in more than 1200 are injured after an earthquake in central morocco i >> -- >> this cctv image images have captured the moment when the quake , measuring 6.8 magnitude, quake, measuring 6.8 magnitude, struck marrakesh. the moroccan army has been dispatched to help the search and rescue in remote areas of the atlas mountains. that's the epicentre of the quake. foreign secretary james cleverly says the uk is supporting british nationals in the country. a resident from casablanca says he couldn't believe what was happening . believe what was happening. >> the house rocked aggressively. everyone was scared and i was shocked and i didn't understand what was happening . i thought it was only happening. i thought it was only my house that was moving because it's fragile and old. and i heard people screaming . everyone heard people screaming. everyone went out their homes. the

went out of their homes. the street is full of people and women screaming. what's women screaming. that's what's happened even now. people can't go back home because they're still because of the still afraid, because of the last hit, the first hit, we didn't it . people can't go didn't feel it. people can't go back their houses because back to their houses because they're still afraid because of they're still afraid because of the hit. think it's a the second hit. i think it's a seven magnitude. >> relatives of ten year old sarah sharif have been detained for questioning by police in pakistan. her father, his partner and siblings fled the uk for pakistan after sarah was found dead at her home in woking last month . a post—mortem last month. a post—mortem examination found she suffered multiple injuries over an extended period of time . rishi extended period of time. rishi sunak says he and india's prime minister narendra modi have a lot of hard work to do before a trade deal can be reached . but trade deal can be reached. but the prime minister refused to put a deadline on the agreement and has warned that the deal is not a given. during the g20 summit delhi , delegates summit in delhi, delegates agreed on a joint message with strong language about russia's illegal war in ukraine. rishi sunak says the summit can pave

the way for opportunities, though, between the uk and india i >> -- >> prime minister modi and i had a very warm and productive discussion on a range of different things with regard to the trade deal. there's a desire on both of our parts to see a successful trade deal concluded. the opportunity is are there for both countries, but there is a lot of hard work that's still to go to work through go and we need to work through that we will do. but i think that as we will do. but i think there's also opportunities for us to deepen our relationship and different areas and and lots of different areas and he talked about that he and i talked about that as well, whether it's in defence and security, education and security, in education research, all sorts of things . research, all sorts of things. >> and you'll be aware it's a hot day. well, it's a record hot day, the hottest one so far this yeah day, the hottest one so far this year. hit 32.7 c in year. it's hit 32.7 c in heathrow. it's the sixth in a row, sixth day in a row. the uk has recorded a temperature of over 30 degrees. so that is exactly what you want to do. sit in the shade, enjoy a picnic and continue enjoying the weather until tomorrow . with an amber until tomorrow. with an amber heat alert in place . the met heat alert in place. the met office, is also warning office, though, is also warning of thunderstorms

of potential thunderstorms from this onwards. and this afternoon onwards. and there's a yellow warning in place in for northern ireland thunderstorms. but yeah, kick back, enjoy the sun or whatever you do. don't go to work. and agatha christie's grandson has unveiled a life sized statue of the author in oxfordshire , the the author in oxfordshire, the bronze statue of dame agatha is seated on a bench in her home town of wallingford . the town of wallingford. the sculpture, called a monument to imagination, shows the author glancing up from the pages of a book as if finding inspiration for her next novel . this is gb for her next novel. this is gb news across the uk , on tv, on news across the uk, on tv, on digital radio, on smart. speaker two that's it for me for the moment. more in about 25 minutes time. now it's over nana . time. now it's over to nana. >> hello. good afternoon. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua for and the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes the big topics hitting the headlines now. this show

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up to seven minutes after 5:00 and it's now time for this week's difficult conversation . week's difficult conversation. police have arrested, escaped prisoner daniel khalifi. the arrest occurred just before 11 this morning. i escaped hmp wandsworth on wednesday and the police force issued a short statement which said officers apprehended the 21 year old in the chiswick area as he's been taken into police custody. now, in a statement, taken into police custody. now, in a statement , the met police in a statement, the met police said, we would like to thank the pubuc said, we would like to thank the public and media for their support throughout our investigation to locate khalifi . and we will provide a further update on his arrest in due course. now prime minister rishi sunak broadcasters sunak speaking to broadcasters at the summit venue in the at the g20 summit venue in the new delhi, has congratulated police, telling reporters he is very pleased. so joining me to discuss this is former minister of state for prisons and brexit party mep , ann widdecombe. ann, party mep, ann widdecombe. ann, thank you very much for joining me. it's really good to talk to you. i just want to first you. now, i just want to first of all, thank you. finally in the so it's really great the studio. so it's really great and you broke your lovely afternoon in london to come in.

so you much. wanted so thank you so much. i wanted to get your your on what to get your your view on what happened because i know that you've served as a minister for prisons and you have at some point called the prisons, i think, utterly purposeless . and think, utterly purposeless. and so i'm just wondering what your view is on what happened with khalifa. >> well, the escape itself was was unbelievable because i mean, it was every last cliche . and if it was every last cliche. and if somebody hides themselves under a lorry and goes through the prison gate, well , this is a prison gate, well, this is a category b prison . i mean, there category b prison. i mean, there should have been mirrors monitoring went monitoring every car that went out and that came in. but then once that had happened and he was out, i was amazed that there seemed to be a dearth of cctv information of where he was. and i thought, ah, was this an outside job? but now , now when outside job? but now, now when you consider he's also gone in for every last cliche in his re—arrest, which is a bicycle on a towpath , for goodness sake, a towpath, for goodness sake, it's just unbelievable . that it's just unbelievable. that does not look to me like a

professional job. i mean, why on earth didn't he do what most people in that situation would have done, which was to have laid low until the fuss had begun to die down? >> yeah, a lot of people are saying, oh, it's really masterminded the way he got underneath this thing and underneath. >> now, was simple . that >> now, that was simple. that was simple stuff. >> obviously >> but he's obviously been watching for a while. do you think that's to on think that's simple, to hang on to the bottom of? >> well, i mean, cliche of >> well, i mean, the cliche of people going out under a lorry, you think a prisoner of war films, know, this is this is films, you know, this is this is a escape. >> it's standard. it should >> it's so standard. it should never >> it's so standard. it should nevso what you think is >> so what do you think is happening to our prisons, though, i though, that this becomes i mean, somebody can do this mean, that somebody can do this as a category a, category b, so it should be lot tougher than that. >> surely it should certainly be far than that . i far more secure than that. i mean, all of questions mean, all sorts of questions have to be asked. this is not a matter for which you blame the government. this is a straightforward matter that officers not put mirrors officers did not put mirrors under the car or if they did put mirrors under the car, they did it so incompetently they it so incompetently that they didn't anybody under there. didn't see anybody under there. when when that vehicle was

when that when that vehicle was leaving the prison. it's a straightforward as that. but what is happening? prisons are quite severely overcrowded. they haven't built enough prison places . and when prisons are places. and when prisons are overcrowded, two things happen. first of all, the population can become very restless in our prisons. so it takes particularly when it's very hot weather like this known in prison office jargon as as in a riot weather . and so the riot weather. and so the officers, the prison officers are focussed on the secure city and keeping control and all the rest of it. and therefore , what rest of it. and therefore, what we call the regimes, which is the work, the education, the offending behaviour courses , offending behaviour courses, those things just take very much. second place and therefore there's no very great purpose and there's idleness and we know what the devil does with idle hands. >> what do you think should be happening in our prisons? so when people are arrested at in

prison because they do , they prison because they do, they have this, what was that that that what's that prevent program that what's that prevent program that they used to terrorism . that they used to terrorism. yeah. even even the people even the people who made the program yeah. even even the people even tithinkyple who made the program yeah. even even the people even tithink theyrvho made the program yeah. even even the people even tithink they even1ade the program yeah. even even the people even tithink they even they the program yeah. even even the people even tithink they even they the ftheynm i think they even they said they didn't think it worked. it feels like really have like that we don't really have much a solution to much of a solution to rehabilitation within prison. what you think should be happening? >> i mean, first of all, consider the prison population, what consists 75, 75% of what it consists of 75, 75% of all those who come into prison are either illiterate, innumerate or if they're not quite that, they're very little above that line . now, if anybody above that line. now, if anybody comes into prison in having that low a grasp of very , very basic low a grasp of very, very basic living tools, then they should not leave prison without having improved that grasp and that just doesn't happen . just doesn't happen. >> it just it just feels like we are in a in a place where do we need to build more prisons? is that we need more prison places ? >> ?- >> yes. 7_ >> yes. because 7 >> yes. because otherwise you just have overcrowded prisons .

just have overcrowded prisons. we need more prison places and we need all new prisons that are being built. and it doesn't follow. you have to build new prisons. you can extend current ones, but all new prisons which are being built should have in them good facilities for training and rehabilitation without that, you just send somebody back out onto the streets who's done nothing for the last couple of years except mix with other criminals. that's all you're doing. >> what about the sort of criminal justice service itself? it seems to be buckling as well. we seem to we're in a very strange place at the moment. and, you know, a lot of the commentators have been saying that britain is broken. don't commentators have been saying that ito tain is broken. don't commentators have been saying that ito talk s broken. don't commentators have been saying that ito talk britain n. don't commentators have been saying that ito talk britain down. n't want to talk britain down. i love this country. i want us to want to talk britain down. i loveback country. i want us to want to talk britain down. i loveback oantry. i want us to want to talk britain down. i loveback on oury. i want us to want to talk britain down. i loveback on our feet rant us to want to talk britain down. i loveback on our feet and us to want to talk britain down. i loveback on our feet and be to want to talk britain down. i loveback on our feet and be a get back on our feet and be a functioning democracy, because i feel that we are i don't know what's happening, it doesn't what's happening, but it doesn't feel that at all. can feel like that at all. how can we what do you see as a way that we what do you see as a way that we could perhaps even start to mend like the criminal mend things like the criminal justice service as well? because the crown prosecution service , i the crown prosecution service, i mean, it's just a mess.

>> i mean, the criminal justice service an enormous service was dealt an enormous blow by covid. you know, we had this vast queue of cases. now, i was observing a case post—covid . but even so , first of all, the . but even so, first of all, the trial had to be suspended because two members of the jury had covid. this was well after the actual pandemic itself. then it was suspended because the judge had it, you know , it was judge had it, you know, it was non stop. now, if you get trials, which just don't go through efficiently , it isn't through efficiently, it isn't very surprising that you get a massive queue at the end. and what we should really have done, i mean, first of all, i, i do not agree with the universal lockdown that we imposed and i think we could have kept the justice but justice system going. but certainly coming out of it and finding that we had that sort of queue, mean, answer should queue, i mean, the answer should have weekends have been extra courts, weekends and want in order and anything you want in order to get that system going. >> nobody seems to want to do extra from what they should be doing to get this going, but everyone wants to complain about

it. is astonishing. it. nobody it is astonishing. you mentioned know, you mentioned that, you know, you against all the you were against all the lockdowns and everything do lockdowns and everything was do you time we stopped you think it's time we stopped doing they're you think it's time we stopped doing okay, they're you think it's time we stopped doing okay, you they're you think it's time we stopped doing okay, you got they're you think it's time we stopped doing okay, you got covid,re saying, okay, you got covid, you can't work all of can't come into work and all of this mean, i know that this thing. i mean, i know that it can become a multi—organ disease, be that disease, but flu can be that people come with colds. so people come in with colds. so i just think, is it time we now sort of realise, okay, there's a base level of immunity. covid has weakened. there is a new variant that we're talking about a while but so you a little while ago, but so you know, why my view has always been and i wrote this in the express at the time, so i can't be accused of hindsight. >> my view was right from the start you lock start was that you should lock down the vulnerable and take extra care of them and tell everybody else that it was their duty to keep the economy going. thatis duty to keep the economy going. that is my view as to what should have happened. and therefore, i think the question you've answered therefore, i think the question you'veyou answered therefore, i think the question you'veyou you;wered therefore, i think the question you'veyou you don'ti therefore, i think the question you'veyou you don't stop itself. you know, you don't stop everything . so i, i feel very, everything. so i, i feel very, very strongly that not only was covid unnecessarily disruptive at the time . but we're still

at the time. but we're still going on in reaping the results of that. >> well, the argument, i suppose, for what they did initially was that didn't suppose, for what they did initialwhats that didn't suppose, for what they did initialwhat itthat didn't suppose, for what they did initialwhat it was. didn't suppose, for what they did initialwhat it was. and didn't suppose, for what they did initialwhat it was. and i dn't suppose, for what they did initialwhat it was. and i mean, know what it was. and i mean, i support notion that you know what it was. and i mean, i suppc know notion that you know what it was. and i mean, i suppcknow notdeadlyt you know what it was. and i mean, i suppcknow notdeadly or you know what it was. and i mean, i suppc know notdeadly or aou don't know how deadly or a disease at the start, disease is at the start, i support notion national support the notion of a national lockdown. you do, lockdown. i think what you do, i was an advocate. i was not for lockdown, vaccine. lockdown, but for the vaccine. yes, of thought it yes, but i kind of thought it was know, was acceptable, you know, the lockdowns. it just got lockdowns. but then it just got just got too much . just got too much. >> it's quite it's quite obvious that once you lock down, you create nhs queues. you create create nhs queues. so you create suffering . you know, the idea suffering. you know, the idea that this was some great humane thing to do, you were absolutely piling the future suffering piling up the future suffering and we're going to be living with for years . with it for years. >> so what would you have done differently , dare ask? differently, dare i ask? no. >> i think i've just said differently, dare i ask? no. >would i think i've just said differently, dare i ask? no. >would haveink i've just said differently, dare i ask? no. >would have no i've just said differently, dare i ask? no. >would have no ive just said differently, dare i ask? no. >would have no ive just have i would have no i would have locked down the vulnerable proper systems in to help proper systems in place to help the vulnerable , which actually proper systems in place to help the didn'trable , which actually proper systems in place to help the didn't have , which actually proper systems in place to help the didn't have atrhich actually proper systems in place to help the didn't have at and actually proper systems in place to help the didn't have at and butually proper systems in place to help the didn't have at and but told we didn't have at and but told everybody else it was their duty to keep the economy going and to get to work or or preferably to work from home. because in a time of a pandemic that

obviously is preferable. but i mean, i know somebody who was in her late 60s who is obese, i mean, really super obese , who is mean, really super obese, who is ethnic, which was supposed to be another big risk factor. and she went to work every single day throughout covid, every single day. her attitude was, i can work, i'm going to work. >> well , it work, i'm going to work. >> well, it turns out that there is a gene that could presuppose somebody to the nasty effects of covid and actually the east asian population were the highest . who had that? i think highest. who had that? i think it was 65% or something. and actually black people or africans, i think had had a 2% propensity likelihood of having this this gene that this disease. so this gene that could turn could allow covid to turn nasty. so that was interesting. i suppose all of that come out. want to ask that has come out. i want to ask you though, looking at the you now, though, looking at the government, , do government, as you see it, do you we've got a problem you think we've got a problem here? because, of course, it feels like the two parties are so similar that there's nothing there's no where's the conservative party? what's the there is no conservative party. >> have a pink that

>> we have a pink party that starmers and we have a pale pink party that sunak. there is no conservative party. there's no party in lowering party that believes in lowering taxes. they'll pay lip taxes. i mean, they'll pay lip service it. yes, but they service to it. yes, but they won't do so there's won't actually do it. so there's no that believes in no party that believes in lowering there's no party lowering taxes. there's no party that's a coherent solution that's got a coherent solution to the immigration problem. and the small boats, all we get is a lot of talk and we get absolute no do. and that is why i left the conservative party and now i'm with reform . i'm with reform. >> it would be interesting if people were actually prepared to make a change and change the political system. i think that i would straightforward political system. i think that i would to straightforward political system. i think that i would to everybodyghtforward political system. i think that i would to everybody .1tforward question to everybody. >> you had enough? have you >> have you had enough? have you had enough? if the answer is had enough? and if the answer is yes, got to dare to change. >> i think it would be a big risk, but i think it's not so much because we otherwise it's just more of the same , to be just more of the same, to be honest you and to come. honest with you and to come. thank so much for joining thank you so much for joining me. such pleasure to talk me. it's such a pleasure to talk to have in the to you and have you in the studio and to studio and talk to you uninterrupted longer uninterrupted for longer than five fine. thank

five minutes. that's fine. thank you. that is you. thank you so much. that is ann that was ann widdecombe. that was difficult. will difficult. conversations will stay up, difficult. conversations will stay great up, difficult. conversations will staygreat british up, difficult. conversations will staygreat british this up, the great british debate this out asking , was liz out and i'm asking, was liz truss's vision the right one? but update truss's vision the right one? but your update truss's vision the right one? but your weather update truss's vision the right one? but your weather. update with your weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office . so it's been a fairly hot week across the uk and not a huge amount changing throughout this weekend . and we've got those weekend. and we've got those isobars fairly spread out. so bringing us some light winds and still bringing air up from still bringing that air up from the so fairly warm as the south. so fairly warm as well . we've seen some heavy well. we've seen some heavy showers thunder storms showers and thunder storms throughout and they will throughout today and they will slowly as go slowly ease away as we go through tonight. so leaving a fairly dry night for many. they're a of rain and they're a bit of rain and drizzle the far drizzle across the far northwest, go into northwest, though, as we go into the early hours of sunday morning . an area heavy morning. an area of heavy showers thunderstorms showers and thunderstorms starting to push into the southwest and that's all during

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me, michael portillo gb news britain's news . me, michael portillo gb news britain's news. channel >> hello, good afternoon . just >> hello, good afternoon. just coming up to 24 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. 5:00. this is gb news. i'm nana akua . we are the people's akua. we are the people's channel and it's time for the great british debate. this hour. and i'm asking was liz truss's vision the right one? now, the 6th of september marks a year since liz truss took over for her very short stint prime her very short stint as prime minister and whilst many found her vision and ideology

questionable, others that felt that it held some sort of viability and potential value. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking was she right ? i'm joined now by ben right? i'm joined now by ben habib , the advisor for reform uk habib, the advisor for reform uk , and also denis macshane, former labour minister for europe, and belinda de lucy, former brexit party mep and former brexit party mep and former mep for the brexit party. right. so let's start with denis macshane. seeing as he's in here. okay, so talk to me about liz truss. she had some ideas. i mean, right track? >> i was quite impressed that because frankly , somebody on the because frankly, somebody on the left, the idea of borrowing money to grow the economy makes complete sense . complete sense. >> we should have borrowed money after 2010 when zero interest rates were at zero. we didn't because cameron and that other guy ' because cameron and that other guy , what's he called? guy, what's he called? >> clegg. clegg >> clegg. clegg >> clegg. clegg >> clegg. mr facebook er gave all the money to friends in tax breaks. >> so when this came along with her boyfriend, kwasi kwarteng in charge. >> it's not her boyfriend. hold on a minute. you don't have any

evidence for that. what are you talking about? boyfriend? >> come on, dennis. >> and x. >> x x. >> x x. >> not >> x x.- >>-not an » x x.- >>-not an ex >> x x. >> not an ex boyfriend . you >> it's not an ex boyfriend. you don't know. >> all right? >> all right? >> change subject. >> don't change the subject. >> don't change the subject. >> it. >> well, you did it. >> well, you did it. >> she put forward >> not me. and she put forward some ideas. >> but then the actual implementation of them was just nuts. she was telling the entire world, britain is going to spend and cut taxes and you, the rest of the world, will have to pay for all of this. and so the rest of the world said, sorry , you're of the world said, sorry, you're one of the most indebted countries in the world. we're not going to it. advised not going to do it. who advised her? i mean, she's not an economist. she's a chartered accountant. >> well, john redwood did speak to her as well, but apparently she didn't do asked she didn't do what he asked because was earlier . but because he was on earlier. but ben , liz truss, ben habib, i mean, liz truss, she was i think she was slightly on the right track and her vision was growth , wasn't it, vision was growth, wasn't it, rather this stifling rather than this stifling situation we find ourselves in where being to death i >> -- >> well, i 5mm >> well, i got to say, you've got to love denis macshane. dennis, your you're just a delight to listen to. you

started by saying, if you don't mind me, just pick just picking up on what you said. i'm not going to be kind now, i'm afraid. you said that we should have borrowed to grow, but actually all the conservative government done over the government has done over the last 13 years is borrow . when last 13 years is borrow. when they took over the economy , they took over the economy, national was around 60% of national debt was around 60% of gdp. it now exceeds 100% of gdp . we have the highest tax rates that we've had since world war ii. this can only happen if you borrow tax and spend. that's what they've done . and like all what they've done. and like all governments, what they've done is wasted the money and we haven't got growth out of it . haven't got growth out of it. the only way you grow .the economy is if the private sector grows that is the engine for the economy, which the government can then tax and use the tax. hopefully prudently in order to deliver public services . and the deliver public services. and the government cannot be the engine for economic growth. only the private sector can drive that . private sector can drive that. and what we desperately need now

is to become a competitive united kingdom, where over regulated, over taxed and as you rightly pointed out, our government debt is way too high. what liz rightly recognised was that the only way out of this is not by cutting debt, but it's by growing the economy . if you grow growing the economy. if you grow the economy, debt as a proportion of the of the economy automatically shrinks and you can only grow it if you cut taxes on business. if you deregulate and you promote the private sector, it's actually a no brainer. and i'm surprised that there's anyone in the country who disagrees with liz truss . truss. >> well, let's see if belinda de lucy does. do you disagree with liz truss ? liz truss? >> well, look, at least liz truss had a vision for growth . truss had a vision for growth. that's that's what we're lacking at the moment. this country is crying for a captain to crying out for a captain to guide this ship into better waters. instead of just stagnating in a puddle like we seem to be doing now. there was lots i liked about her mini—budget you know, her

freezing corporation tax was the right thing. her decreasing the top income rate tax was the right thing to do . she should right thing to do. she should have done it more staggered and she should have played the game better. one of her big mistakes was was underestimating the land mines that were going to be placed around her as soon as she got into position and she she underestimated the forces at work that were going to try and undermine her, discredit her when actually the country is crying out for a growth plan. you know, we had astrazeneca , a you know, we had astrazeneca, a cambridge based company that was going to build a plant in the north—west, moved to ireland because corporation tax was 15. and they said it was because of this discouraged ing taxes that, you know, the hunt rishi team had put in place. we need investment . we need competition. investment. we need competition. we're now it's funny, we're told that sensible and grown ups are back in the room. what we have now, nana is a crush of bespeckled grey suited technocrats, scared of their own

shadow and not prepared to make the bold decisions to ignite the workforce force of this country back into work , building back into work, building businesses, attracting investment. that's what we needed. investment. that's what we needed . and liz truss was right needed. and liz truss was right on that and i think she'll be proved right in the future. um, so the civil servants have far too much power at the moment? >> i think they do. i think she's also right about childcare because she was going to help people back to work this people get back to work and this has by the has just been abandoned by the likes sunak, wife likes of rishi sunak, whose wife happens some shares in happens to have some shares in that company. koru kids or whatever it is, some policy whatever it is, and some policy may her out. but may have helped her out. but obviously, don't know. don't may have helped her out. but obvio he 1, don't know. don't may have helped her out. but obvio he diddon't know. don't may have helped her out. but obvio he did itn't know. don't may have helped her out. but obvio he did it on know. don't may have helped her out. but obvio he did it on purpose. on't think he did it on purpose. denis shaking denis macshane you were shaking your belinda your head a bit there as belinda was not really. your head a bit there as belinda wasi not really. your head a bit there as belinda wasi know really. your head a bit there as belinda wasi know why y. your head a bit there as belinda wasi know why i'm >> i don't know why i'm odd because got two because you've got these two right conservatives right wingers to conservatives sort rishi sort of rubbishing rishi rubbishing . liz truss i, rubbishing. liz truss i, i completely . completely. >> let's have more of them, get them more what? >> don't forget though, every person with a mortgage and i expect you've got a lot of gb news viewers who had mortgage

woke up after a couple of days of liz truss and the bottom fell out of their lives. >> you can't blame that. irresponsible. no you can't blame. >> that's not true in the way mortgage interest rates would have been zero for too long. >> no other country, no other country embraced that sudden surge. that's a problem for surge. now that's a problem for liz truss. she did qualify as a chartered accountant after oxford, but you know something about chartered accountants ? about chartered accountants? i've got one. they love them . i've got one. they love them. >> they're boring. >> they're boring. >> they're boring. i >> they're boring. i don't >> they're boring. i don't think they actually understand how economics did you say economics works, who did you say in your family's a chartered accountants. i don't. i don't. >> i she doesn't >> i don't. she doesn't understand work. understand how things work. >> she won't like that. >> she won't like that. >> got as >> we actually now have got as lord ashcroft said, another tory broken britain . broken britain. >> okay. >> okay. >> well, i'm going to have to stop it there. dennis, i want a quick word from ben obe. you've got about 20s and then belinda de news if liz de lucy. so the news if liz truss had cut taxes , even if truss had cut taxes, even if interest rates had gone up, we would had more money in our would have had more money in our pockets to spend. >> made up the >> it would have made up for the interest rises. what we

interest rate rises. what we desperately need a promotion interest rate rises. what we dethe'ately need a promotion interest rate rises. what we dethe economy.i a promotion interest rate rises. what we dethe economy. youa promotion interest rate rises. what we dethe economy. you canymotion interest rate rises. what we dethe economy. you can onlyon interest rate rises. what we dethe economy. you can only do of the economy. you can only do that with lower taxes. you need the how the british people to decide how they're their they're going to spend their pounds controlling inflation, by the way, is not the government's job controlling inflation famously belongs that responsibility belongs to the bank of england, not the government. the government has to propel the economy forward. >> okay. belinda de lucy 20s to you. >> yeah . liz truss describes >> yeah. liz truss describes herself as a disrupter for wanting to challenge the institutional groupthink that has stunted growth over years . has stunted growth over years. and unfortunately she was disposed of and we're back to that groupthink. i think this country deserves better , and country deserves better, and lowering taxes brings in more money in jobs. indeed. >> so in a word, was she right, liz truss, yes or no? was she right ? overall her vision, her right? overall her vision, her her vision was right, but she was too into spending and borrowing without enough cuts in pubuc borrowing without enough cuts in public spending. >> ben habib was a vision, right? >> yes or no? was it right? >> yes or no? was it right? >> her vision was right. and i slightly disagree with belinda. >> her vision was right. and i sthinky disagree with belinda. >> her vision was right. and i sthink she agree with belinda. >> her vision was right. and i sthink she could with belinda. >> her vision was right. and i sthink she could with igot1da.

>> her vision was right. and i sthink she could with igot away i think she could have got away without spending without cutting spending because actually the was forecasting actually the obr was forecasting and then denis macshane , very and then denis macshane, very simply, she did incredible damage to the conservative party. >> so her vision was right. >> so her vision was right. >> i'm all for it. i get it. all right. thank you so much. pretty good to talk to you. all blended lucy, brexit ben lucy, former brexit mep ben habib also dennis mcshane. habib and also dennis mcshane. thank so much for joining thank you so much for joining me. you think? me. right. so what do you think? was truss, in was she right? liz truss, get in touch this is gb news on touch now. this is gb news on tv, on digital radio on tv, online on digital radio on the way. my great british debate this . and i'm asking, well, this hour. and i'm asking, well, was vision the right was liz truss's vision the right one? you'll hear thoughts of one? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, broadcaster and columnist cundy . also columnist lizzie cundy. also entrepreneur faddes . but entrepreneur matt faddes. but first, your latest first, let's get your latest news headlines with aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> hi there. it's 532. aaron armstrong here in the gb newsroom. new details have emerged regarding the arrest of the escaped terror suspect, daniel kalief. he was caught after being on the run for four days. the met police says he was

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news. >> welcome on board. i'm nana akua. >> welcome on board. i'm nana akua . it's just coming up to 39 akua. it's just coming up to 39 minutes after 5:00. we're live on tv online and on digital radio. it's time now for the great british debate this hour and i'm asking, was liz truss's vision of the right one? the 6th of september marks a year since distrust took over her after distrust took over for her after her stint as prime her short stint as prime minister. whilst many found minister. and whilst many found her vision and ideology questionable, others that questionable, others found that there viability and it there was some viability and it had potential value. so for had some potential value. so for the great british debate this yeah the great british debate this year, asking truss's year, i'm asking was liz truss's vision right one? now of vision the right one? now of course there are few policies course there are a few policies . wanted to reduce . so she she wanted to reduce the income tax rate for the richest, didn't she? she wanted to do loads of different things . she talked about education. she talked about schools. she was going to do something for mums so that there'll be some. what do you think? so joining me now to discuss, let's see what my panel make of joining my panel make of that, joining me, broadcasting me, lizzie cundy, broadcasting journalist fiddess me, lizzie cundy, broadcasting j(lizzieist fiddess me, lizzie cundy, broadcasting j(lizzie cundy, fiddess me, lizzie cundy, broadcasting j(lizzie cundy, start fiddess . lizzie cundy, i'll start with you. i know, i'm you. yeah i you know, i'm actually shocked by everyone that's spoken about. >> liz truss, how are your

memories? do you not remember what she did to the economy ? i'm what she did to the economy? i'm sorry. you know , she wanted to sorry. you know, she wanted to be the next margaret thatcher, the iron lady. she was more like made out of straw. how many days did she last? 48 days. absolutely lasted longer. sorry. well, firstly , she started off well, firstly, she started off badly with her cabinet. she had no enemies whatsoever in there, which doesn't help with the back benches. so that's the start of disaster. but the growth growth , growth, yes, it sounded great. more money in your pocket, less tax sounds great, but she totally blew it because she spooked the markets. they did it totally the wrong way . and i totally the wrong way. and i don't really care about what other policies she may have had that may have been great. this totally has put a noose that's still around our economy and for anyone who forgets that , i mean, anyone who forgets that, i mean, please just look at what's going on now. on now. >> on now. >> she's not play with it. okay. so, lizzie, you can't blame liz truss for all of that. i think, first of all, if you look at the interest rates, they were at

rock bottom, right? so there was only one way out for those. and those were so i think those were up. and so i think actually liz truss was used as a scapegoat so that the government could raise the interest rates and then blame it entirely on her. they didn't want liz truss in charge. matt faddes i have to say i disagree completely to what you say, lizzie. >> i mean you're talking complete nonsense with all respect, but as hold on, sorry, let matt finish from an entrepreneur's point of view, someone who owns a business, she was us because the was the dream for us because the economy's a business and it needs managed by business people. >> the tax that's paid and is spent on to repair our roads and the nhs comes from small businesses. was businesses. and she was all about businesses rather about small businesses rather than condensing everything down in and everyone to death and in tax and everyone to death and producing different taxes for this, that and what's going on now, was encouraging. so the now, she was encouraging. so the higher rate tax bracket was going to be brought down. she wanted build the economy by wanted to build the economy by having employment having more employment opportunities by business opportunities by small business owners and that didn't happen. so we are where we are now a

year on. i don't think she had a fair chance. a few days in, the queen this happened. queen died. this happened. the rates fastest rates have gone up the fastest they've ever been in years. they've ever been in 15 years. it it's been complete the it it's been complete crazy the way executes it. way she executes it. >> she did it all the wrong way. she totally the markets she totally spooked the markets . i mean, i mean, talk about poorly judged budget costing us now what was it, 30 billion. matt you've got to believe it. we're feeling it now. and the high cost of living. she has a lot blame. and sorry if lot to blame. and i'm sorry if you guys got very short memories. >> you really have. but it's not it's not entirely her fault . and it's not entirely her fault. and i actually think that the where we were in the economy , the we were in the economy, the plans that we have now have not been helpful. so the increase of interest rates consistently , the interest rates consistently, the bank of england should be controlling that. the problem we had with economy was the had with the economy was the fact that there was too much quantitative so too much quantitative easing. so too much money the for money put into the market for too that money became too long, so that money became worthless. then everything's worthless. so then everything's going to more. the value going to cost more. the value of the money is going down because you much there. you put so much in there. and that truss's fault. that wasn't liz truss's fault. no it's crazy.

>> never had a time where >> we never had a time where interest up. interest rates had gone up. people's gone up. people people's rents gone up. people can't afford their mortgages. people's rents gone up. people can't afforeven ir mortgages. people's rents gone up. people can't afforeven seeing gages. we're not even seeing the real impact to be impact yet. it's going to be incredible what happens next yeah be incredible what happens next year. be handing year. there'll be people handing in did in in their keys like they did in 18 19, the last recession 18 nine, 19, the last recession . and i think we followed . and i think had we followed her path and she was given a chance, things would have turned out differently. i mean, hindsight but hindsight is a great thing. but i she she had the i think she she she had the idea. right, whether she had the strategy place so forth. strategy in place and so forth. but remember the last but let's remember the last leader we had, they wasted over 30 billion on an app for the pandemic even pandemic that didn't even work. >> that had >> before that you had the labour note labour party who left a note saying that the coffers were empty. >> so yeah, that's true. but and look , it's us that are paying look, it's us that are paying the price though, now. and now we're with a conservative party that are more like labour that are more like the labour party more labour. there's party more than labour. there's a paper them a cigarette paper between them all we've got the biggest all and we've got the biggest tax now , now gone the tax burden now, now gone the other way since the second world war. mean , well, i know all war. i mean, well, i know all the top entrepreneurs. >> you want to keep in >> do you want to keep happy in the they're leaving the the uk? they're just leaving the country to and they country to go to dubai and they

didn't well . didn't manage it well. >> she didn't it well. >> she didn't manage it well. that's matt and she didn't do it. they're leaving. all leaving. >> e now. leaving. >> now. they're >> leaving now. they're not. they've choice. stay they've got a choice. they stay here their here or do they operate their their business remotely, which they do due they worked out they can do due to in the to what happened in the lockdown. and they go into countries you countries where it's legally you can there, be a non can live there, be a non resident earn your income resident and earn your income tax because rishi is taxing tax free because rishi is taxing us to death. us all to death. >> is . i mean, now we've got >> he is. i mean, now we've got the ulez . the ulez. >> te- eml- >> everything is being taxed. >> everything is being taxed. >> but that's liz truss, >> but that's not liz truss, that's sunak, who's being that's rishi sunak, who's being very unconservative, by way. that's rishi sunak, who's being very lizconservative, by way. that's rishi sunak, who's being very liz truss vative, by way. that's rishi sunak, who's being very liz truss was'e, by way. conservative. >> it's because we've got now this massive big black hole is down to liz truss. i'm afraid , down to liz truss. i'm afraid, and i mean costing us over 30 billion. sorry. >> well, let's see what obvious thing, because this shows nothing and your nothing without you and your views. let's welcome you on your chance what you think chance to say what you think about the topics we're discussing four discussing today. i've got four of start with of you. i'm going to start with juue of you. i'm going to start with julie ford bedford. julie julie ford from bedford. julie was did she have the was liz truss did she have the right or is she just right idea or is she just did she it all? she just wreck it all? >> no, i have to complete disagree with lizzie. i'm really sorry , lizzie, but matt's really sorry, lizzie, but matt's really hit it on the head today. >> i think liz truss did have it

right. yes, she may not have had the whole plan in front of her, but certainly had the best but she certainly had the best ideas it was grow. but she certainly had the best ideas it was grow . so, ideas and it was to grow. so, yes, one thing i do agree with lizzie is it did spook the market, but the market needed spooking . and i think everything spooking. and i think everything that happened a knee jerk that happened was a knee jerk reaction. genuinely would reaction. and it genuinely would have evened itself out and we'd have evened itself out and we'd have been in better place now have been in a better place now , with liz truss in place , with liz truss still in place than we would rishi sunak, than we would under rishi sunak, who literally this who is literally making this worse as well. >> i love your hair as well. it looks lovely. julie right. let's go jonathan jones in go to jonathan jones there in cornwall. lovely in cornwall. hello, looks lovely in cornwall. hello, looks lovely in cornwall. jonathan did she have the right vision? liz yeah, yeah, yeah. >> um , i think i disagree with >> um, i think i disagree with lizzie as well. >> and matt, your other guest is right. >> i think. i think there's trust will be judged very differently in the long run. >> and look at what the economists quietly economists are already quietly writing she right. writing that she got it right. >> she just didn't carry the country, didn't carry the media. that was the problem. media that was the problem. the media didn't go with her. and, you know, to bring our know, she wanted to bring our speed limits in line with

germany. be fantastic germany. that would be fantastic for the economy. she wanted to do lots of things were do lots of things that were rubbish at the time, but they're quietly coming out as a good thing. >> and i her once at an >> and i met her once at an export and she loves tea, export thing and she loves tea, so liz truss. so of course i love liz truss. >> all love tea . don't know >> we all love tea. don't know i've got my with this i've got my cup with me this time very much i've got my cup with me this tinthe very much i've got my cup with me this tinthe good very much i've got my cup with me this tinthe good thoughts. very much i've got my cup with me this tinthe good thoughts. right, much on the good thoughts. right, let's go to alan mcnealy. he's in . alan afternoon, alan. >> folks . yes? think she had the >> folks. yes? think she had the right vision. now that growing the economy makes an awful lot of what none of them seem of sense. what none of them seem to link across whether it's labour or the conservatives , is labour or the conservatives, is that until they sort out the cure affordable energy, the economy will always be being dragged back . and that to me dragged back. and that to me seems the most critical thing of the whole lot. bring the taxes down, grow the economy , but for down, grow the economy, but for goodness sake, get the secure, affordable , reliable source of affordable, reliable source of income that will cut prices across the board and that will attract industry . yeah. so you attract industry. yeah. so you think the right vision. >> but she was chopped off at

the legs. >> she was literally, wasn't she? let's go to miranda richardson. not the miranda richardson, but miranda richardson, but miranda richardson northamptonshire. richardson in northamptonshire. miranda good afternoon. nana yeah , you know, i'm with yeah, you know, i'm with everybody else that unfortunately, lizzie, i don't agree with you, but i do agree with matt . with matt. >> you know, i was running my own business. was all own business. i was seeing all those implications that that could my business better could make my business better and yet liz just wasn't given the right chance for me. for days.i the right chance for me. for days. i think she was in charge . and i think the media from the beginning were out to kind of ruin her. you know, there she was the second kind of female prime minister, very big shoes to fill from the first female, actually, she was the third. >> theresa may sorry. sorry. i know theresa may is sort of slightly forgettable, but she did last a bit longer. longer than lettuce. liz forgettable. listen, miranda richardson, you said sorry . said sorry. >> nana you said earlier about the childcare and i think that was something, you know, if you want to get want growth, you've got to get people . people working. >> oh, she was spot on.

>> oh, yeah, she was spot on. well, , thank much well, listen, thank you so much for really good for your thoughts. really good to it doesn't to talk to you. when it doesn't look agrees with look like anybody agrees with lizzie the letters. lizzie but support the letters. thank very much, julie there thank you very much, julie there in watford. john john and also the lovely miranda richardson. right. moving on, another story that caught my eye. i just had to talk about because to talk about it because i couldn't more than 100 couldn't bear it more than 100 british families have signed up for to provide for a campaign to provide reparations for slavery , from reparations for slavery, from serving politicians to cities , serving politicians to cities, traders and wealthy landowners. descendants of slave owners in the british caribbean are pulling together as the heirs of slavery. founded by former bbc correspondent laura trevelyan . correspondent laura trevelyan. well, let's put that to my panel . joining me, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy , and also columnist lizzie cundy, and also entrepreneur matt fiddess . all entrepreneur matt fiddess. all right, lizzie, reparations for slavery. oh when will this stop? >> well, how long are we going to back and and back? to go back and back and back? can and i think can we move forward? and i think even involved even the countries involved just don't this. nana we don't want this. i mean, nana we learn from our mistakes. we learn from our mistakes. we learn from our mistakes. we learn from history. do we? well we do. we can't take turn back the clock. let's learn from it

and move forward. >> well, it depends how far you want to turn back the clock, because there was a time before for slave trade they for the slave trade where they went to africa white went to africa where white people slaves. went to africa where white peoand slaves. went to africa where white peoand i slaves. went to africa where white peoand i amslaves. went to africa where white peoand i am sorry, matt, >> and i am sorry, but matt, what do you think? >> need to especially >> i think we need to especially at like this, where times at times like this, where times are hard out there for everyone and families. be and families. we should be focusing on on real world. yeah, it's trying to drive your it's like trying to drive your car, in rear—view car, looking in the rear—view mirror it? you're going mirror isn't it? you're going to crash to go wrong crash and it's going to go wrong . we change what's . we can't change what's happened what happened back then. what do you think about the concept of reparations, slavery? >> i mean, what do you think about it? >> w- about it? >> an interesting >> i think it's an interesting idea. think they've got idea. i don't think they've got they very far they going anywhere very far with not many with it. there's not many families up to it families who've signed up to it . i think there's bit of a . i think there's a bit of a non—story, if i'm honest with you. >> there's not got any legs. well, there's page two on in >> there's not got any legs. weltelegraph. age two on in the telegraph. >> to honest with you, >> and to be honest with you, i think sick tired of think i'm sick and tired of heanng think i'm sick and tired of hearing because i think hearing about it because i think there's people there's a lot of people who stand and actually, stand to benefit and actually, i find patronising. find it slightly patronising. people trevelyan. people like laura trevelyan. i watched a show about watched her doing a show about it was talking to some it and she was talking to some children or wherever it and she was talking to some chilywas or wherever it and she was talking to some chilywas that or wherever it and she was talking to some chilywas that she or wherever it and she was talking to some chilywas that she went. vherever it and she was talking to some chilywas that she went. andever it and she was talking to some chilywas that she went. and she's she was that she went. and she's saying now am i? family did a

very thing. i mean, how very bad thing. i mean, how patronising . if somebody did patronising. if somebody did that, wouldn't them to that, wouldn't you want them to pay that, wouldn't you want them to pay money? and the kid went, yeah, course they yeah, yeah, yeah. of course they would look me some money. would. look chuck me some money. i'll it . would. look chuck me some money. i'll it. in end, i'll do it. in the end, she managed load of people managed to get a load of people to 100 grand. 100 to give her 100 grand. 100 grand, i think 100,000 people at least in grenada. that's per least in grenada. that's £1 per person . is she really meant it? person. is she really meant it? give up all your wealth because that's what it's based give that's what it's based on. give it live a shack when it away and live in a shack when i actually thought i watch, i actually thought she was . was brainwashing. >> feel like it. >> it really did feel like it. i'm pleased. can we look forward , look at what's going in the world. better world. let's make it a better place, bigger challenges. world. let's make it a better placethink|er challenges. world. let's make it a better placethink|er (aboutlges. world. let's make it a better placethink|er (about ego. >> i think it's about ego. >> i think it's about ego. >> i think about she's >> i think it's about ego. she's not anymore not got a job anymore presenting, so she's to find presenting, so she's got to find something anyway, something else. but anyway, what do time now for something else. but anyway, what d

earlier this week, but what was he wearing as a disguise? was it , b, a chef's , a, a plastic bag? b, a chef's outfit? or c, fake moustache ? outfit? or c, a fake moustache? lizzie cundy you're very a b, a chef's outfit. we all know it was a chef's outfit, wasn't it? it was a chef's outfit. she's right. and he was. i think it was greenford that he was found or that. not not actually. >> it was. >> it was. >> yeah, on screen because the met that out. yes, it met police put that out. yes, it was a chef's outfit. you it was a chef's outfit. you got it at question at home as well. question two true in this could be true or false? in this could be officially renamed as barrett . officially renamed as barrett. true. lizzie says it's true. matt press your buzzer yeah . matt press your buzzer yeah. >> what do you think? she's too quick off the mark. what do you think? i think false. all think? i think it's false. all right, glad he said a right, good. i'm glad he said a different one. >> unfortunately, true. >> but unfortunately, it's true. but the but at least you did the opposite one opposite because i remember one time . time somebody said false. >> she in the >> and lizzie said she in the last situation. right. question three some passengers were shocked this week when an animal tried to board their coach. >> but was a pony? was it, b, >> but was it a pony? was it, b, a monkey or c, a badger? matt fiddes a monkey? was it monkey ? fiddes a monkey? was it monkey? >> what do you think i'm going

to go for badger. to go for a badger. >> a badger badger. um, let's see. it was a pony. listen i don't know where this was. this could have been in the. was it in the uk? because if it was, we don't have monkeys around. i mean, i'm not being funny, but i don't think they'd be like, let's try to beat lizzie. there's no monkeys in cornwall. are any in devon near are there any in devon near where live? where you live? >> seen that story. i saw >> i've seen that story. i saw the, the horse on boarded the train in this country. so again, there was the train in this country that they tried to board. okay >> what i'm asking . >> that's what i'm asking. >> that's what i'm asking. >> i don't know. >> i don't know. >> because if it was ready for the buzzer. >> yeah, it was. >> yeah, it was. >> well, if it was in this country, like i said, i don't think could escape from a think monkey could escape from a zoo or something. >> yeah, know. zoo or something. >> your, know. zoo or something. >> your, i> your ex, your friend michael jackson monkey, but jackson had a monkey, but not many people do. >> bubbles, >> bubbles, bubbles, bubbles. >> bubbles, bubbles, bubbles. >> to >> can i tell you, i used to be called was called bubbles. that was my nickname at school, because i was always on friends like was always on my friends like this. me this. yeah, they called me bubble i was bubble because they said i was always shoulder. anyway, bubble because they said i was alwayyou shoulder. anyway, bubble because they said i was alwayyou go. shoulder. anyway, there you go. >> learn something for >> learn something new for a survey has recently found that a large percentage of people in

the reduced their meat the uk have reduced their meat intake. but what is closest intake. but what is the closest percentage? closest percentage? answer closest answer wins. what is the percentage ? just say a number. percentage? just say a number. >> come on. what's the closest percentage? >> guy come on. >> guy come on. >> a large percentage of people in the uk have reduced their meat intake, but closest answer wins, so percentage , i reckon wins, so percentage, i reckon like 20. >> 20. 35. >>- >> 20. 35. >> 35. it's. it's 58. oh answer is very good. well, it was 58% if you got that at home as well. maybe you've reduced your meat intake. i haven't actually. lamb oh you like a bit of roast lamb mint sauce, nice glass of candy. question five which mainstream soap is being axed from a major british tv channel? is it a emmerdale , b, coronation street emmerdale, b, coronation street or c, hollyoaks ? you're slightly or c, hollyoaks? you're slightly pressed before i'd finish, press your buzzer . your buzzer. >> matthew. des i don't watch soaps. oh god. too busy working . charles but lizzie, obviously i >> -- >> no, no, no, no. what did you say? just choose one. >> i choose one. i can't imagine. i reckon hollyoaks it

is hollyoaks. >> it is hollyoaks. >> it is hollyoaks. >> yeah, hollyoaks . well >> yeah, it was hollyoaks. well it's a tie. 2.5ft. just it's sort of a tie. 2.5ft. just the is hollyoaks. the the answer is hollyoaks. the programme still, however, the answer is hollyoaks. the pro shownie still, however, the answer is hollyoaks. the pro shownie e4. still, however, the answer is hollyoaks. the pro shownie e4. so ., however, the answer is hollyoaks. the pro shownie e4. so if1owever, the answer is hollyoaks. the pro shownie e4. so if youever, the answer is hollyoaks. the pro shownie e4. so if you love be shown on e4. so if you love hollyoaks then don't worry, it's still there. but on today's show i've britain i've been asking is britain prepared for the changing climate? according our climate? and to according our poll, 45% of you say yes. 55% of you say no. a huge thank you to my panel broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy. lizzie, i you very much i love you very much to you. she's there and a huge she's over there and a huge thank you to you as well. entrepreneur matt fiddess and a huge thank you to you at for home joining me as well. join me tomorrow. lovely christine tomorrow. the lovely christine hamilton kelly will hamilton and danny kelly will be up we'll chatting up and out. we'll be chatting all but all the latest headlines. but now you with the now i'll leave you with the weather . weather. >> the rising . boxt solar >> the is rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good evening. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office . so it's been another very warm or hot day, especially across

the southeast today. and that's because we've still got a bit of a southerly component to our winds bringing that warm to hot air us from the air across us from the continent. showers as we've seen through today will slowly ease as we go through tonight . but as we go through tonight. but another area of heavy showers and thunderstorms will start to push north eastwards from the southwest. so if you are in the southwest. so if you are in the southwest tonight, you might be woken up by the odd thunderstorm. and this is all dunng thunderstorm. and this is all during and humid during another warm and humid night. so as we go into the start of sunday, those showers will slowly make their way northeast outwards into wales. the midlands , northern england, the midlands, northern england, northern ireland and later into southern scotland. and these showers could band together, bringing some heavy rain and thunderstorms as well as the risk of some hail and some strong, gusty winds . but it will strong, gusty winds. but it will be another very warm day, especially in the southeast , especially in the southeast, with highs of 30 to now to start the new working week. plenty of low cloud mist and fog in the

north and west to start with, some showers breaking out later, but this rain erratically making its way south eastwards , marking its way south eastwards, marking a change to something slightly cooler as we go into next week where it will feel quite changeable and autumnal with those temperatures closer to average . the temperatures rising average. the temperatures rising a , average. the temperatures rising , a boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on .

emissions cuts as a new party led by farmers is getting votes across the netherlands. plus, we'll be looking at why asian hornets are being sighted in the uk and the extent of the threat they pose to humans and to bees . all of that, plus the thoughts of my lovely, thoughtful panellist , of my lovely, thoughtful panellist, kerry dingle. but first, an update on the latest news from an armstrong .