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khalife has been charged with escaping custody after four days on the from authorities. the on the run from authorities. the escaped terror suspect strapped himself to the bottom of a food delivery and escaped delivery van and escaped wandsworth prison on wednesday . wandsworth prison on wednesday. he was tackled from a bicycle on a canal towpath in northolt west london, by an officer just yesterday . he's london, by an officer just yesterday. he's appearing at westminster magistrates court tomorrow , may. meanwhile, the tomorrow, may. meanwhile, the justice secretary says around 40 inmates have been moved out from wandsworth prison amid an investigation into mr khalifa's escape . alex chalk admits the escape. alex chalk admits the prison is overcrowded, but promises the government is doing all it can to provide resources as as out of an abundance of caution, we've taken 40 out to move elsewhere . move elsewhere. >> just as we get to the bottom of what happened. now, that is a sensible interim precautionary step and i just also want to make the point about about wandsworth. you know, there have been issues with which been issues with crowding, which i accept, which goes for i accept, which goes back for not just five years or 25, 30 years, but the difference is we

are something about it. so are doing something about it. so very, very significant investment going into prisons. three or well two already built , one currently under construction . and these are big, construction. and these are big, big jails . big jails. >> the tuc's reporting the government to the united nations watchdog over the new law requiring staff to work during strike action. the union's general secretary says the legislation falls far short of international legal standards . international legal standards. the government says it's there to protect the lives of the general public and has recently announced a consultation on how the new will be enacted . but the new law will be enacted. but general secretary paul novak describes that new law as dreadful . dreadful. >> this fight really matters and these laws have not been designed to resolve conflict at work. >> they've been designed to escalate conflict at work . escalate conflict at work. >> they are unworkable under democratic almost certainly in breach of international law and they are the product of a despot pit conservative government spoiling for a fight with unions to distract from their dire economic record.

>> more than 2000 people have died in what's described as the deadliest earthquake in morocco since 1960. survivors slept in the open for the second night after the 6.8 magnitude quake struck remote areas of the atlas mountains yesterday. many fear their homes are no longer safe to return to with another 3.9 magnitude earthquake hitting the country today. more than 2000 people have been injured . half people have been injured. half are in a critical condition. the country has declared three days of national mourning . now, the of national mourning. now, the prime minister says he's confronted chinese premier li keqiang at the g20 summit in new delhi over beijing's alleged spying by two men in westminster for the sunday times reported . a for the sunday times reported. a man in his 30s and a man in his 20s were arrested in march under the official secrets act. one of the official secrets act. one of the men was a researcher with links to several tory mps. the men was a researcher with links to several tory mps . the links to several tory mps. the prime minister says if this is true , it's totally unacceptable i >> right approach is to engage

with people, but to raise the concerns that we have. >> that's what our allies do. and our strategy is completely augned and our strategy is completely aligned with our closest allies, whether that's america, canada , whether that's america, canada, australia, japan, you know, all these countries engage with china , raise areas of china, raise areas of disagreement, as i did today, on a different range of different topics, but in particular to register my very strong concern about any interference with parliament democracy, which is obviously unacceptable . all obviously unacceptable. all >> russia has launched another air attack on kyiv in the early hours of this morning with blasts ringing out across the capital for almost two hours. a video has captured one of 32 drones heading for residential buildings with drone debris falling on several of the city's central districts. the attack comes as yesterday's g20 summit declaration stopped short of condemning russia for the war in ukraine, but rather highlighted the human suffering in the conflict . defence cuts have left conflict. defence cuts have left a gap in the uk's ability to fight from the air that will last well into the 2030,

according to some mps. the commons defence committee says cuts set out in 2021 leaves britain dangerously exposed and warned the military's combat air fleet is alarmingly low in number. mps have noted , though, number. mps have noted, though, that the ministry of defence will spend more than £55 million, sending pilots overseas for fast jet training due to a lack of aircraft available . 80 lack of aircraft available. 80 and finally, sir mo farah has completed the final race of his career, stealing fourth place in the great north run. the four time olympic champion finished in one hour, three minutes and 28 seconds as he was cheered on and greeted by crowds, giving him high fives as he crossed that finish line . the sports that finish line. the sports star announced earlier this year the time has finally come for him to move away from running . him to move away from running. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to nana . thank you,

tatyana. >> before we get stuck into the debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my head to heads. me today , gb news heads. joining me today, gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and former conservative adviser claire pearsall. right so let's see what else is coming up today. spies in parliament. remember that film, spies like us.7 i spies in parliament. remember that film, spies like us? i love it. it was one of my favourites. well, men have been arrested it. it was one of my favourites. well, the men have been arrested it. it was one of my favourites. well, the officialve been arrested it. it was one of my favourites. well, the official secrets arrested it. it was one of my favourites. well, the official secrets act.sted under the official secrets act. police have confirmed and amid claims of parliamentary and parliamentary researcher was spying for china. honestly i mean, how did they get there and how can we trust parliament if they can't even do a bit of research and a bit of vetting of their own people? but how could that it's that happen? i mean, it's disgusting interesting disgusting that be interesting because have because clare and nigel have got lots links within parliament lots of links within parliament so get the inside so we can get the inside on that. for brexit. that. now a new dawn for brexit. britain now we're unshackled from the eu. is the prime minister right to be peddling our future with india? our economic future with india? migration ian, who do you trust

to take back control of our borders? rishi sunak has teamed up with italian prime minister giorgia meloni to tackle illegal migration while back at home, sir keir starmer has declared that he will be the one to bring order to the borders . i wonder order to the borders. i wonder if he actually made that up to order the borders. keir order the borders. to keir starmer . but honestly, you starmer. but honestly, did you think don't know. think he can? i don't know. i think he can? i don't know. i think this is almost as think this this is almost as good as rishi sunak's. turn back the boats and the g20 summit, which up in new delhi with which wraps up in new delhi with no president xi or president putin. has the global event been a talkfest? a talkfest? all talk, no action. and one day after this dramatic re—arrest , after this dramatic re—arrest, escaped prisoner daniel khalife has been charged and will face court tomorrow after escaping from wandsworth prison on wednesday. it's funny how they can also get people to court very like very quickly when stuff like this. if you've this. but if you if you've got something court, something to take to court, it'll forever. that's it'll take you forever. that's coming next hour. it'll take you forever. that's coming next hour . tell coming up in the next hour. tell me on everything me what you think on everything we're email views me what you think on everything we gbnews.com email views me what you think on everything wegbnews.com or mail views me what you think on everything we gbnews.com or tweet views me what you think on everything we gbnews.com or tweet me�*iews me what you think on everything wegbnews.com or tweet me atvs me what you think on everything wegbnews.com or tweet me at .;

me what you think on everything wegbnews.com or tweet me at . gb at gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. so rishi sunak . at gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. so rishi sunak. he's confronted the chinese premier over his country's unacceptable interference in british democracy after the arrest of a parliamentary researcher on suspicion of spying for beijing . now the prime minister raised his concerns at the g20 summit just hours after news emerged of the two arrests in the uk under the two arrests in the uk under the official secrets act and one of those arrested by police is the researcher who had links to several senior tory mps, including security minister tom tugendhat and foreign affairs committee chairwoman alicia kahn. so can we trust the government in vetting its own staff? right. well let's. joining me to discuss senior gb news political commentator nigel nelson and former conservative advisor claire pearsall. i'm going to start with you, claire pearsall straight in there. i mean, you've been advising within what on within these circles what on earth is going on? >> i don't think it's any surprise that the chinese government would want somebody within the uk parliament and i

think it's a little bit unfair to blame the government for this one, considering that all of the security checks are done by the security checks are done by the security services . security services. >> that is all handled correctly by those individuals. it does bnng by those individuals. it does bring into question what you're going to look for counter—terrorism . clearance counter—terrorism. clearance will go so far, but not even looking into perhaps somebody's social media history or where they've been prior to joining parliament. i think is something that they are going to have to look at. >> so that's one of the things they don't do. they don't know necessarily. >> not necessarily. >> not necessarily. >> you to fill out >> i mean, you have to fill out an security questionnaire. >> well, i certainly did. when i first because my first started. and because my birth was the birth place was outside the united , really, it took united kingdom, really, it took forever. i was born in cyprus on a british military base. >> oh, really? a british military base. >> yeah.eally? a british military base. >> yeah. so y? a british military base. >> yeah. so of course they had to then fax . this is in the days to then fax. this is in the days of the facts fax over the of the facts fax over to the records episcopi records department of episcopi in cyprus, which no longer exist . so there was a lot of toing and froing and it took about 8 or this was or 9 weeks. but this was a british military base. there were records of plenty of my

father serving in the armed forces and my birth was registered within the correct amount . so they took amount of time. so they took their over that. it does their time over that. so it does beg they're not beg the question why they're not now at where people have now looking at where people have been university, where they been to university, where they have gap years, where they have spent gap years, where they have spent gap years, where they have a lot of time, and if have spent a lot of time, and if they've been employed in other countries, i think those things now looked when now should be looked at. when you're applying for security clearance house of clearance at the house of commons, because does a commons, because it does seem a bit that won't bit odd that they won't even look social media. look into social media. >> yeah, well, mean, the way >> yeah, well, i mean, the way the clearance works, you the clearance works, when you when a parliamentary when you get a parliamentary pass, the pass, it certainly is the straightforward criminal records check to see that not check to see that we're not crooks when we're going in and out building . it could be out of the building. it could be the two of you together. the two of them could. the two of you together. the two oftand could. the two of you together. the two of tand then 1. the two of you together. the two of tand then there is an there's >> and then there is an there's a check at m15 registry to see if they have anything wrong, anything too. but if anything honest, too. but if you're a clean skin, which is what this guy probably was , was what this guy probably was, was that somebody who has cleared clearance and everything else clears can simply mean clears can just simply mean something you haven't got something that you haven't got anything spies anything on that most most spies that who are illegal spies are

clean skins because otherwise they couldn't possibly operate. right. so it's not surprising you can get into parliament on that basis because there'd be nothing there flagged up that that basis because there'd be nothin sayere flagged up that that basis because there'd be nothin say this lagged up that that basis because there'd be nothin say this guy ed up that that basis because there'd be nothin say this guy is up that that basis because there'd be nothin say this guy is dodgy.t would say this guy is dodgy. once he was in there, i'm not sure he'd have got his hands on many secrets anyway , unless many secrets anyway, unless unless he was attached to the intelligence and security committee. there aren't that many secrets that float through parliament. whitehall all differently. if you get into the government. and that's a whole different ball game. but certainly parliament, he shouldn't be able to do. i arrived in parliament at the end of the cold war and we used to have russian spies coming in from the soviet embassy chatting up mps, trying to recruit them. it was just part and parcel of life and nothing ever really came of it. the bigger question is china, according to the intelligence and security committee, has penetrate , vetted committee, has penetrate, vetted every aspect of the british economy and it's about time. the government was a bit a bit tougher on dealing with china

for doing that . george osborne for doing that. george osborne and david cameron wanted the wanted to do trade deals with china. and you used to fake the chinese leader when he came over here. rishi sunak not done enough to say , hang on guys, enough to say, hang on guys, spying on us is not acceptable. and certainly the chinese now, according to the director general of m15 , are more general of m15, are more dangerous than the russians are because there was that deal that was going to be done with huawei. then we was going to be done with huawei.then we decided was going to be done with huawei. then we decided that >> and then we decided that we weren't do but it weren't going to do that. but it seemed was even seemed odd that that was even something been something that would have been considered. it just feels that the government almost as though they're are obviously they're more they are obviously more concerned about the money that in that they're getting getting in from . yeah. and have from china. yeah. and they have got in a stranglehold, really. >> em- em— w right. and i find >> and that's right. and i find it quite disappointing it sort of quite disappointing that still here are this that still here we are and this has happened there lot has happened and there are a lot of senior conservative mps of very senior conservative mps who calling for the who are calling for the government be a lot harder on government to be a lot harder on china relations we have china and the relations we have with them. but unfortunately, it just seems to be softening each time. it's like, what time. it's like, okay, what you've done is unacceptable.

don't do it again. and you sort of think you need a little bit more than that because it's not the it's happened. it the first time it's happened. it will the last. and we will not be the last. and we don't if there don't know if there are any others around others lurking around parliament. and it doesn't matter think that these matter if you think that these people to going get hold people aren't to going get hold of , they are going of information, they are going to get hold of some information session in mps offices. to get hold of some information session in mps offices . there to get hold of some information session in mps offices. there is access to all manner of documents . all right. it might documents. all right. it might not be classified top not be your classified top secret eyes stuff , but it's secret eyes only stuff, but it's still going to be useful to a hostile state. i think that hostile state. so i think that we need to be taking this a lot more than at more seriously than we are at the it just feels a the moment. it just feels a little soft because we want little bit soft because we want these go through and these deals to go through and you know, where is it going to end? because it's only to going end? because it's only to going end us. end badly for us. >> i we're in >> well, i think we're in trouble anyway because in trouble anyway because we're in hock , because they hock with china, because they provide for us. we've provide so much for us. we've destroyed our own manufacturing base. decimated that. and base. we've decimated that. and now relying on on foreign now we are relying on on foreign partners. china being one of the biggest that we rely on. and of course, india will probably be the next big foreign partner that we're going to be relying the next big foreign partner théheavilygoing to be relying the next big foreign partner théheavilygoing toloe relying

the next big foreign partner théheavilygoing toi think/ing the next big foreign partner the heavily. going toi think the on heavily. and so i think the government needs to have they've on heavily. and so i think the gov t0|ment needs to have they've on heavily. and so i think the gov to rememberis to have they've on heavily. and so i think the gov to remember that have they've on heavily. and so i think the govto remember that although 've got to remember that although china china is not exactly an enemy, certainly not friend. >> and i think we have to keep them at arm's length that them at arm's length on that basis. but we've taken all of their security, all of the surveillance equipment in surveillance equipment comes in from china. >> got to be w— >> and that's got to be a concern. of stores now concern. and a lot of stores now very silly businesses are looking remove it out of looking to remove it out of their premises. and wonder how their premises. and i wonder how many others will suit. many others will follow suit. i know co—op have had a look many others will follow suit. i kn itv co—op have had a look many others will follow suit. i knit and co—op have had a look many others will follow suit. i knit and said op have had a look many others will follow suit. i knit and said theyive had a look many others will follow suit. i knit and said they don'td a look many others will follow suit. i knit and said they don't want)ok at it and said they don't want any it anymore. any part of it anymore. >> mean, we've >> yeah, because i mean, we've got iphones, got we got iphones, we've got this, we got iphones, we've got this, we got spying got that. you know, the spying on us. not that anyone would be that me. i'm not that interested in me. i'm not that interested in me. i'm not that be that interesting. and they'd be bored if they were spying on every chinese every single person. chinese could every single person. chinese couthere could be. just >> there could be. we'll just switched >> there could be. we'll just swi yeah, you're right . yeah, >> yeah, you're right. yeah, we're good let's carry we're good as well. let's carry on. well, that's. of course, we've discuss . stay we've got loads to discuss. stay with touch in the with us. get in touch in the usual way. views gbnews.com usual way. gb views gbnews.com or me at news. i want or tweet me at gb news. i want to your thoughts, but over to hear your thoughts, but over the days , the prime the past few days, the prime minister the g20 in minister has been at the g20 in new delhi meeting with leaders of largest of the world's largest economies. for economies. top of the agenda for rishi sunak was whether the uk could strike a free trade deal

with india. now this deal could make it easier and cheaper to do business with india by removing or reducing range or reducing a range of prohibitive tariffs currently appued prohibitive tariffs currently applied to british ports. however, there are sticking points to the negotiations, which include over india's resistance on an increased number of visas and outside the eu. as of course, the uk was always going to be looking to trade with the rest of the world. but this means that we world. but if this means that we have more immigration, have to allow more immigration, like india, is this worth like with india, is this worth it? are we to going end up in a kind of eu situation but with india? so i'm asking not that they would to come here they would want to come here really don't but really, maybe, i don't know. but they actually one the they are actually one of the biggest that coming biggest groups that are coming on the boats so i'm asking on the boats now. so i'm asking was brexit the right idea ? i was brexit the right idea? i start with you, nigel nelson on brexit, the right idea. we're doing deals with china and with china, but obviously we're doing deals with people like india and african nations as well. we couldn't have this couldn't have done it this freely eu. yeah but freely within the eu. yeah but i mean we haven't done the deals

yet so all we are doing them though, all brexiteer though, all the brexiteer promises i think boris promises of i think boris johnson talked about an oven ready deal with america . ready deal with america. >> no deal with america. well that's because joe biden then became the president. whatever the the oven ready thing the reason, the oven ready thing turned out to pretty half turned out to be pretty half baked. with baked. and so here we are with india and no deal is done yet. you're absolutely right. it would mean actually making work and student visas easier to come here. i'm not sure why that should be a major problem, but obviously it's a question of pubuc obviously it's a question of public perception there when it comes down to was brexit, right? if you voted for brexit because you wanted to be in charge of or britain wanted britain to be in charge of its own laws, brexit was a success, but it came it came at a at a cost . and the came at a at a cost. and the question comes down, which is what? >> what, in your view, what's the cost? the cost was there was an economic cost and i think there was always going to be. >> and reason i was >> and so the reason i was a remainer, it will cost, for instance, food has gone up 25%

since 2019, 8% of that rise is because we left the eu because we can't because free movement ended. we can't because free movement ended . we can't get cheap labour ended. we can't get cheap labour in from europe. and that that has put food prices up not by the huge amount that everyone is suffering from , but part of that suffering from, but part of that is to with eu . wages will is to do with the eu. wages will probably be less. the prediction is about £340 less a year. by 2030 on average. again because we left the eu trade is much more difficult for certain companies . now, as i say, are companies. now, as i say, are you basing this on because we left the eu, one of the reasons why wages have gone up is because we left the eu isn't it? >> because can't rely on the >> because we can't rely on the cheap labour example, cheap for labour example, let's take driver take the example of lorry driver food expensive. take the example of lorry driver food but. expensive. take the example of lorry driver food but. yompensive. take the example of lorry driver food but. yompenzsaid yeah, but. but you just said that wages have gone down because i'm that wages have gone down becesaying i'm that wages have gone down becesaying actually i'm that wages have gone down becesaying actually no i'm that wages have gone down becesaying actually no , m just saying that actually no, many wages have gone up because we sectors that we left in certain sectors that some wage wages, i mean there's been over been a general wage rise over the year so. the last year or so. >> you're absolutely >> and you're absolutely right. i'm long term i'm talking about the long term effect. now that comes from the

resolution . that was effect. now that comes from the r study on . that was effect. now that comes from the r study on they . that was effect. now that comes from the r> food prices were always going to be different , difficult given to be different, difficult given the current circumstances around the current circumstances around the rest of the world. if you look at where grain comes from, that's mainly from ukraine. there are a lot of problems out there at the moment . so there at the moment. so increased prices are going to appean increased prices are going to appear. are some climate appear. there are some climate issues which are going affect issues which are going to affect certain . and it isn't just certain crops. and it isn't just

the kingdom that is the united kingdom that is looking increased food looking at increased food prices. and know what? prices. and you know what? outside of the eu, there are big deals to be had and you look at especially in the technology sector, working with countries like india is only going to benefit the united kingdom. so yes, brexit is always going to have been worth it for people like me . but i think have been worth it for people like me. but i think that the real problem that we have is it keeps being talked down. nobody from the remain side will ever come admit that, that these come to admit that, that these kind of trade deals are so much easier now that we are outside of the eu. it's still not in, but would say only but some people would say only just been spoken about . all of just been spoken about. all of these things time to come these things take time to come in. and you look at the in. and if you look at the 40 years history eu years plus history of the eu that wasn't made overnight either , you have to allow some either, you have to allow some time to work. time for this to work. >> in the big argument, people are actually we are saying is that actually we should trading with the should be trading with the people that's people next door to us. that's much cheaper, that's more effective. wouldn't effective. not that we wouldn't , we won't, but that's what people fine . , we won't, but that's what peoand fine . , we won't, but that's what peoand do fine . , we won't, but that's what peoand do that ine . , we won't, but that's what peoand do that and you >> and you can do that and you can relationships can make those relationships work. there has work. and i think that there has to be little bit of settling

to be a little bit of settling down the that have down of the fact that we have left european union. but you left the european union. but you can work those countries can still work those countries are to want trade are still going to want to trade with kingdom. you are with the united kingdom. you are going to tariffs going to have to look at tariffs and that . but but and things like that. but but you can't then exclude the rest of the world. and i think that we as an island need to look at our and they are much our horizons and they are much broader just with broader than just working with your neighbour. your nearest neighbour. >> you, >> and very briefly to you, nigel, then . some people nigel, then. well some people would argue that actually staying within the eu is almost like a not almost, it's kind of slightly racist in a sense that we are only trading the we are only trading with the people, just giving the people, we're just giving the best people are best deal to the people who are mainly with mainly white, whereas with brexit opened our brexit now we have opened our doors africa, india , all over doors to africa, india, all over the world without the restriction of the eu, surely well , i restriction of the eu, surely well, i mean the global world is actually breaking up into trading blocs . trading blocs. >> our trading bloc was the eu . >> our trading bloc was the eu. we benefited economically by being in that trading bloc just as asia has their own trading bloc . the americans run their bloc. the americans run their own . it was important that we own. it was important that we stayed with our closest neighbours, but from an economic

from an economic point of view, because because it's cheaper to send things would be send things there, we would be better off. however, is better off. however, it is perfectly true that that brussels did make laws for us. and if you voted for brexit to get brussels out of it, you did the right thing. >> yeah. get their noses out. right. is gb news. right. well, this is gb news. welcome aboard. you've just welcome aboard. if you've just tuned up to 22 tuned in. coming up to 22 minutes after 3:00, i'm nana akua. onune minutes after 3:00, i'm nana akua. online tv , on on akua. we're online on tv, on on digital radio. coming up, terrace suspect daniel khalife has been charged and will face court after escaping court tomorrow after escaping from wandsworth prison on wednesday but on did wednesday. but how on earth did he get out in the first place with debating that shortly? but first, let's get some weather that warm feeling inside from the boxt boilers. >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good afternoon . my name is >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so there have been plenty heavy showers and plenty of heavy showers and thunderstorms around already

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till 930 . till 930. >> good afternoon. welcome on board. if you've just joined me, lovely to have your company . lovely to have your company. it's coming up to 30 27 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua. this is gb news now rishi sunak has been at the g20 in india. many different topics have been on the migration the agenda, including migration with the prime minister set to join forces with italian prime minister giorgio meloni , who minister giorgio meloni, who said that he said to be supportive of britain's rwanda policy . i think they'll all policy. i think they'll all crack with this one as well. they'll with they'll all crumble with it because, are we because, you know, what are we going well, going to do with people? well, this is just one of this new venture is just one of many explored by the many things explored by the prime and the prime minister and the predecessors stopping predecessors aimed at stopping the so far, they have the boats. and so far, they have all more or less completely failed. so who can we trust to control our borders? we'll sir keir starmer, be much better if he wins power in the next general election. well, let's find . let's see what my find out. let's see what my panel make that. joining me, panel make of that. joining me, gb political gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, also former conservative adviser

claire pearsall. well, claire pearsall. right. well, what do we do about this problem? as though the problem? it seems as though the europeans kind of are sort of swaying towards the idea of rwanda, wasn't it they rwanda, but yet wasn't it they who stopping doing rwanda, but yet wasn't it they who through»pping doing rwanda, but yet wasn't it they who through the1g doing rwanda, but yet wasn't it they who through the european doing courts? >> i think the real problem that europe has is that they are experiencing a much worse set of numbers for migrants coming through than we are. and italy is always going to be at the forefront of that, given its position mediterranean forefront of that, given its position crossings mediterranean forefront of that, given its position crossings overterranean forefront of that, given its position crossings over to ranean forefront of that, given its position crossings over to italyn and the crossings over to italy have increased year on year. and i think that meloni is looking at something like 106,000 migrants that have crossed into italy in the last 12 months. so that's an enormous amount in comparison to us. and i'm not doing we are a lot smaller than italy are. we are a lot smaller. but even so, the areas that they're going into in italy are overrun . the services are overrun. the services are overburdened pretty much like we're experiencing here. so i think that everybody is looking to see what do next. the to see what they do next. the rwanda scheme , i've had this

rwanda scheme, i've had this conversation with you before. i have never thought it's worthwhile . it is very expensive worthwhile. it is very expensive andifs worthwhile. it is very expensive and it's not going to happen. however >> but what's stopping it is , is >> but what's stopping it is, is the european court surely quite possibly. >> and i think that this might put pressure on the european community as a whole to come up with a solution. but it's going to be a wide ranging solution that takes in everybody. so it's not for just the united kingdom to go out and find a rwanda type deal and italy to go find something else. i think that we're now going to see a little bit joined thinking bit more joined up thinking about what we do globally , which about what we do globally, which is the answer to this, which is unfortunately not what keir starmer is talking. no, he did talk. >> he actually did talk about a global of force, but he did. >> but he was talking more as a global police force. >> but i think that could be part of it instead of just allowing the situation and oh, going, to try going, well, we have to find try and about have an how about we have an international force that stops you when come across the you when you come across the border sends you right back you when you come across the bordeveryone'sds you right back you when you come across the bordeveryone's talking?ght back and everyone's talking? >> think is not

>> yeah. which i think is not such would >> yeah. which i think is not sucithe would >> yeah. which i think is not sucithe money, would >> yeah. which i think is not sucithe money, say, would >> yeah. which i think is not sucithe money, say, from nould >> yeah. which i think is not sucithe money, say, from rwanda use the money, say, from rwanda to fund it. it would go through the national agency and do the national crime agency and do it that but but that would it that way. but but that would take time, though, nigel, because about because you were talking about things taking and do things taking time and they do take take him years >> that would take him years to set up. so right now, the immediate . immediate. >> well i mean i don't think you're going to stop the boats immediately going immediately anyway. we're going to several immediately anyway. we're going to of several immediately anyway. we're going to of years several immediately anyway. we're going to of years of several immediately anyway. we're going to of years of this. several immediately anyway. we're going to of years of this. butzral immediately anyway. we're going to of years of this. but the years of years of this. but the labour party plan is the one that's going in the right direction. lacking detail that's going in the right directiimoment,:king detail that's going in the right directiimoment, butg detail that's going in the right directiimoment, but the tail that's going in the right directiimoment, but the principle at the moment, but the principle thing is, well, a thing is, well, there's a surprise . well, the principle surprise. well, the principle thing what you want to thing is that what you want to do from crossing do is deter people from crossing the in first place. the channel in the first place. what would do is have a what labour would do is have a settlement scheme where they could somewhere could apply for asylum somewhere else, probably through un refugee camps that would take away the draw of the channel labour are talking about returns agreements with with eu countries, probably not with the eu would work, but with individual countries you could do it and spending quite a bit of money getting more caseworkers to deal with 175,000

backlog of asylum seekers. we've already got to get those claims processed so we can get them out of hotels . and if they are of hotels. and if they are allowed to stay here, they can start working and paying taxes as well. >> let's just see about that. but nigel and clare, thank you for that. stay with us, though, because gb news tv because this is gb news on tv online, on a digital on online, on a digital radio, on the g20 wraps up in the way as the g20 wraps up in new neither president new delhi with neither president xi president putin attending xi or president putin attending has the global event become just a fest? all of that talk, a talk fest? all of that talk, no action. but first, let's get your latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez . nana. tatiana sanchez. nana. >> thank you. this is the latest from the newsroom . daniel from the newsroom. daniel khalife has been charged with escaping custody after four days on the run from authorities says the escaped terror suspect strapped himself to the bottom of a food delivery van and escaped wandsworth prison on wednesday . he escaped wandsworth prison on wednesday. he was escaped wandsworth prison on wednesday . he was tackled from a wednesday. he was tackled from a bicycle on a canal towpath in northolt west london, by an

officer yesterday . he's officer yesterday. he's appearing at westminster magistrates court tomorrow . the magistrates court tomorrow. the tuc is reporting the government to the to the united nations watchdog over the new law requiring staff to work during strike action. the union's general secretary says the legislation falls far short of international legal standards . international legal standards. the government says it's there to protect the lives of the general public and has recently announced a consultation on how the new law will be enacted . but the new law will be enacted. but general secretary paul novak describes that new law as dreadful . and more than 2000 dreadful. and more than 2000 people have died in what's described as the deadliest earthquake in morocco since 1967, has slept in the open for the second night after the 6.8 magnitude quake struck remote areas of the atlas mountains yesterday . many fear their homes yesterday. many fear their homes are no longer safe to return to with another 3.9 magnitude earthquake hitting the country today , more than 2000 people today, more than 2000 people have been injured, half in a

critical condition. the country has declared three days of national mourning . and sir mo national mourning. and sir mo farah has completed his final race of his career, sealing fourth place in the great north run, the four time olympic champion finished in one hour, three minutes and 28 seconds. he was cheered on and greeted by vast crowds, giving him high fives as he crossed the finish line, the sports star announced earlier this year that the time has finally come for him to move away from running . you can get away from running. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com. now it's back to nana. >> and now i just want to deliver some very sad news. a few weeks ago on this show we introduced you to a very brave young man . he's six years old, young man. he's six years old, woody blight . young man. he's six years old, woody blight. he was young man. he's six years old, woody blight . he was bravely woody blight. he was bravely battling terminal cancer three years ago. he was diagnosed with neuroblastoma. that's a rare

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>> the people's channel. >> britain's news. channel >> britain's news. channel >> welcome back. it's just gone 37 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. now, as we have been discussing, the g20 in india, which has been taking place over the past few days, some notable names were absent, namely chinese leader xi jinping and also russian president vladimir putin and what has the g20 ever actually achieved? now these countries are vastly diverse and have different and competing interests. so perhaps the most significant thing to mention from the current summit is the joint declaration , which is the joint declaration, which included a statement on ukraine, an it denounced the use of force for territorial gain , but for territorial gain, but actually stopped short of directly criticising russia and ukraine, said that it was nothing to be proud of. so in the annual meeting of the world's largest economies is it just talk? i mean, what do they actually achieve? so let's see what my panel maker that joining me gb news political commentator nigel nelson and also former

conservative adviser claire pearsall does these things actually do anything ? is this a actually do anything? is this a bit like cop 26, 27, 28, 29, 31, 32, 33. >> it does feel like it. and now i think if there is a big situation like the war in ukraine, you can understand that people want to get around the table and decide how best to deal with it. but it's just become a bunch of countries now getting together, talking about a great deal of things and creating these relationships, opening conversations , and then opening conversations, and then nothing happens . and i do wonder nothing happens. and i do wonder the amount of money that we all spend sending leaders to these far flung places around the world and with their partners as well, they go absolutely and all their advisors and the rest of it . so our country is alone it. so our country is not alone in and you wonder what in that. and you do wonder what is the benefit of this? yes you're having conversations. those could be done at your own leisure via a you know, a platform, a zoom, virtually . platform, a zoom, virtually. yeah. by zoom or skype or

something like that. you don't have to physically be in the country. and it seems to be an awful lot of who's having breakfast with who and who hasn't accepted an invitation . hasn't accepted an invitation. it feels a little bit like school and parties and playground politics, but actually the benefits of the country, i'm not convinced. i really don't see the point now. >> and the main people aren't there . i mean, are they just there. i mean, are they just like actors, really? mean, like actors, really? i mean, it's literally like they've practised will speak practised the speech will speak like this. will interview like this. i will interview so—and—so, this. then so—and—so, i will do this. then they they fly their they go they fly in their private they get private jets or however they get there. finally nothing there. and then finally nothing happens. , not a lot happens. well, i mean, not a lot happened to this particular one. >> the ukraine >> and i think the ukraine statement was a bit disappointing, but that had a lot with neutrality of lot to do with the neutrality of india . i disagree with claire. i india. i disagree with claire. i think that these are actually incredibly useful . for what? incredibly useful. for what? nothing for a talking shop . nothing for a talking shop. >> i think what happens there though talk a lot. though i mean you talk a lot. >> happens though i mean you talk a lot. >:that happens though i mean you talk a lot. >:that world happens though i mean you talk a lot. >:that world hajgetis is that world leaders get a chance to actually meet each other to face. they're not other face to face. they're not doing a zoom call a doing it down a zoom call or a telephone call. they actually get to get to get the opportunity to get to know each other. rishi sunak has

built up a relationship with the italian pm giorgia meloni, and that's come from these kind of events. so he saw her again at this one. they were discussing immigration, whether anything will come of it, we'll have to see. but the that you get see. but the idea that you get to these people, i think is to know these people, i think is really important. and a lot of the big stuff is done in the margins . the big stuff is done in the margins. it's the big stuff is done in the margins . it's not the set piece margins. it's not the set piece piece , press conferences or piece, press conferences or anything like that. it's the kind of little deals you can do because you can sidle up to another another foreign leader and say, look, if i give you this, you give me that? this, will you give me that? it's that kind thing. it's that kind of thing. so you need those of forums where need those kind of forums where they together and do they can get together and do such things. >> suppose it will be the >> and i suppose it will be the g20 one soon when the african nafions g20 one soon when the african nations well . so there nations join as well. so there is potential for it is there is a potential for it to become something, but nothing seems happen. seems to happen. >> . and if you're going to >> no. and if you're going to make you're going to make it larger, you're going to have more countries arguably have more countries and arguably more nations than these set pieces . and if it is done in pieces. and if it is all done in the margins, doesn't the margins, then doesn't that beg if you, the beg the question? if you, the prime wanted to go and

prime minister, wanted to go and speak giorgia meloni , you speak to giorgia meloni, you couldn't go to italy to do so . couldn't go to italy to do so. >> if you want do it, that >> if you want to do it, that becomes visit , becomes an official visit, doesn't it? that becomes an official you official visit and it makes you there's an expectation that something come out of something would come out of that, there an that, but there is an expectation that something is going this. expectation that something is goiiand this. expectation that something is goiiand we this. expectation that something is goiiand we all this. expectation that something is goiiand we all know this. expectation that something is goiiand we all know just. chat >> and we all know just a chat with her. >> gm- gm" >> i think, you know, they could be weather, be chatting about the weather, but but be chatting about the weather, but whole but be chatting about the weather, but whole point but be chatting about the weather, but whole point they're but be chatting about the weather, but whole point they're doing the whole point is they're doing it on camera. we're building a relationship, hands building a relationship, hands building a relationship . relationship. >> you can do that. you can have a between world a whatsapp group between world leaders. might leaders. you know, that might give better face to face give much better face to face and actually, be with and actually, you know, be with somebody and talk them. and actually, you know, be with somebcthe and talk them. and actually, you know, be with somebcthe benefit. them. and actually, you know, be with somebcthe benefit ? them. and actually, you know, be with somebcthe benefit ? i them. and actually, you know, be with somebcthe benefit ? i don't see what's the benefit? i don't see the benefit getting each the benefit getting to know each other. that in your other. you can do that in your own time, not vast expense sense of your country, of origin. and going over to somewhere you can do all of these things . you can do all of these things. you can do all of these things. you can do it virtually. you can actually go there if you've got something discuss with a something to discuss with a different can go different country, you can go there they come to you. there or they can come to you. and official visit, and yes, it's an official visit, but why is this any different? this well . you this is official as well. you have more civil servants attending this than you would a

normal meeting with the prime minister who are working with their counterparts , too. so it's their counterparts, too. so it's a grand conference, basically, if you like. yes >> but it is a chance nothing happens. >> but it is a chance nothing happens . well, what we don't happens. well, what we don't know is in the long term, whether things do come out of it. mean, an awful lot of it. i mean, an awful lot of stuff change come stuff on climate change has come out meetings like this. well out of meetings like this. well like what? >> zero? well yes. >> like net zero? well yes. >> like net zero? well yes. >> i mean, that was a good example . example. >> we were going on something completely >> we were going on something con buttely >> we were going on something con but we'll set >> we were going on something conbut we'll set up a >> we were going on something con but we'll set up a whatsapp >> but we'll set up a whatsapp group not meet . group and not meet. >> it was like being in the middle of domestic. was middle of a domestic. it was great. but what are your thoughts? get in touch. gb views. or tweet me at views. gbnews.com or tweet me at gb we want to hear your gb news. we want to hear your thoughts well. lots of you thoughts as well. lots of you have been getting in touch. we thoughts as well. lots of you havelookn getting in touch. we thoughts as well. lots of you have lookn get some] touch. we thoughts as well. lots of you have lookn get some] tcyour we will look over some of your emails always good to emails as well. always good to talk that. but mean, talk about that. but i mean, i kind of if you if you look kind of think if you if you look at cop 26, we on 27, it was 27, 27 where they all flew there on private jets. so they talked about how lot of hot air about how they a lot of hot air about how they a lot of hot air about they're going to do about how they're going to do this come up with deal this and come up with this deal once again, the main people weren't . and that's the

weren't there. and that's the problem having problem i'm having with this thing people are xi thing. the main people are xi jinping and also obviously putin. >> i mean, they should have been there, but he wasn't. putin obviously couldn't really be there. i mean, it would be a very, uncomfortable party very, very uncomfortable party to have had putin in the middle of , i think he of it, but also, i think he would have been arrested, wouldn't set foot wouldn't he, if he'd set foot out that other problem there. there are arrest warrants out for as yes, no, agree. >> if you've got somebody like president who really should president xi who really should be when you're talking, be there, when you're talking, if you're about leaders if you're talking about leaders of world economies, he is one of them. and should well be there. >> even if you don't agree with what doing, which i think what he's doing, which i think is but i mean, is horrendous. but i mean, i think about, think what he's worried about, his safety, his own personal safety, especially what happened his own personal safety, es prigozhin. what happened his own personal safety, es prigozhin. yesvhat happened his own personal safety, es prigozhin. yes irat happened his own personal safety, es prigozhin. yes i thinkppened to prigozhin. yes i think perhaps should probably stay i >> -- >> also, the karma- km the fact m the fact that >> also, the fact the fact that the african union now is actually , that's an actually in the g20, that's an extra 1.8 billion people. that's a positive that came out of this one. >> well, it depends if they actually do something and actually do something and actually stuff. it's actually discuss stuff. if it's another talking shop like we've seen cop26 27, 28, 29, 30, seen with cop26 27, 28, 29, 30, 32, talk is in the shop as result. >> but are you going to get less

things done? there will be fewer actions actually coming out of it. more people that you it. the more people that you have. and i think it's great that nations now that african nations are now at the , so to speak. but is the table, so to speak. but is it going to benefit them? is it to going benefit us? is it going to going benefit us? is it going to benefit the world economies to going benefit us? is it going to aenefit the world economies to going benefit us? is it going to a whole?e world economies to going benefit us? is it going to a whole? and rld economies to going benefit us? is it going to a whole? and id economies to going benefit us? is it going to a whole? and i thinknomies to going benefit us? is it going to a whole? and i think just es to going benefit us? is it going to a whole? and i think just by as a whole? and i think just by getting everybody together, some sort really sort of jamboree isn't really solving it. >> perhaps they could sort out a sort police force to sort of global police force to work out how they're going to stop people from crossing over to illegally to different countries illegally . that be something . that might be something they could i don't could discuss, but i don't think. wonder that could discuss, but i don't thin actually wonder that could discuss, but i don't thin actually mentioned. hat could discuss, but i don't thin actually mentioned. but if was actually mentioned. but if you've joined us, welcome. you've just joined us, welcome. it's 45 minutes 3:00. this it's 45 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. we're going head head claire going head to head with claire pearsall on the pearsall and nigel nelson on the last story this hour. it was last story for this hour. it was the manhunt which captivated the man manhunt which captivated the man manhunt which captivated the nation on on the run terror suspect daniel khalife. he was caught yesterday after being pulled a pushbike by pulled off a pushbike by a plainclothes counter—terrorism officer. well a little bit earlier today, it was announced that he has been charged with escaping custody at her majesty's , wandsworth and majesty's prison, wandsworth and as of the escape,

as a result of the escape, around 40 inmates have been moved of the category moved out of the category b prison . but how on earth did he prison. but how on earth did he escape from the prison in the first nelson , does first place? nigel nelson, does this not is this not an indictment of the situation within that people within our prisons that people can the bottom of can cling on to the bottom of vehicles and then escape? vehicles and then just escape? yes, is . yes, it is. >> i mean, it is the state. i mean, this is the state specifically of wandsworth earth, where the chief inspector of prisons, charlie taylor, says that in an ideal world, they shut it down because conditions are you've got the are so bad there. you've got the pfison are so bad there. you've got the prison officers association saying that there are too few staff to look after too many prisoners. that's being repeated across the prison estate happens to be wandsworth, in this case. but the reason is that over the years, the prisons have been underfunded. that they've been left understaffed . and that is left understaffed. and that is the problem. so suddenly today , the problem. so suddenly today, alex chalk, the justice secretary, is talking about getting getting 40 prisoners out of wandsworth and putting them somewhere else. why wasn't that

done before? why wasn't it done anyway ? regardless of an escape anyway? regardless of an escape happening , i thought it was happening, i thought it was a bit an anti—climax, actually bit of an anti—climax, actually , the way caught, because , the way he was caught, because not glad he was caught. >> and of course. you >> and of course. but you know, you this. like you heard this. it's like a great escape. we love a great escape. best escape. one of the best movies ever. escape. one of the best movies ever . and, know, kind ever. and, you know, you're kind of a sort of bigger of expecting a sort of a bigger capture something . but capture or something. but instead was rocking out instead he was just rocking out on . on a pushbike. >> well, not the >> well, it's not exactly the scarlet pimpernel , was he? i scarlet pimpernel, was he? i mean, hours he mean, this was 75 hours and he was found just, you know, not not very many miles away from where he left and riding casually along a towpath on a bicycle with his waitrose bag of shopping. i mean, it's it had the potential to be like a bond movie. >> the comedy, though, isn't it? it's turned into a comedy. >> yeah, it has turned into a comedy. was sort imagining comedy. i was sort of imagining he on jet plane and he comedy. i was sort of imagining he now on jet plane and he comedy. i was sort of imagining he now in on jet plane and he comedy. i was sort of imagining he now in rio jet plane and he comedy. i was sort of imagining he now in rio havingane and he comedy. i was sort of imagining he now in rio having ae and he comedy. i was sort of imagining he now in rio having a lovely1e was now in rio having a lovely time . but he wasn't. he in time. but he wasn't. he was in chiswick , which is a beautiful chiswick, which is a beautiful place, but not somewhere place, but it's not somewhere that be that you'd really want to be caught. it has feeling of caught. so it has the feeling of the sort keystone cops about the sort of keystone cops about it a great escape, it rather than a great escape, as you say. it does beg the

question of who else was involved in this. i can't see that individual on their own that an individual on their own would able mastermind an would be able to mastermind an escape. i that other escape. i think that other people will have to be looked at to involved as accomplices. people will have to be looked at to i involved as accomplices. people will have to be looked at to i knowed as accomplices. people will have to be looked at to i know thats accomplices. people will have to be looked at to i know that alex omplices. people will have to be looked at to i know that alex chalk,3s. people will have to be looked at to i know that alex chalk, the and i know that alex chalk, the justice secretary, is going to look into this and wants a report on his desk, i think by the end of today. so that's quite, quite soon. so i think those civil servants and. hm prison services are going to be looking quite heavily at who was involved. i think those are the questions that you have to answer. judicial system answer. but our judicial system in country is failing. a in this country is failing. a lot of people for many, many reasons . and prisons aren't fit reasons. and prisons aren't fit for purpose at the moment. you cannot recruit people to be prison officers. i don't i don't blame them. i wouldn't be a prison officer for love nor money. i think it's an incredibly hard job. but we're going to look seriously going to have to look seriously at do keep dangerous at what we do to keep dangerous individuals under lock and key. they can't be escaping . and i they can't be escaping. and i know that this is a rare occurrence, but you you have to think what else can happen . now,

think what else can happen. now, if one person has done this, a 21 year old, where does it end? well, it will give others maybe some, you know, thought that they can escape easily . they can escape this easily. >> but i think it makes us look a bit of a laughing as a bit of a laughing stock as well that this well across the world that this people be watching this and people must be watching this and seeing we people must be watching this and see ag we people must be watching this and see a fantastic we people must be watching this and see a fantastic country we people must be watching this and see a fantastic country , we people must be watching this and see a fantastic country , but we are a fantastic country, but there seems be so many things there seems to be so many things that falling some of that are falling apart. some of the , structures the major things, structures that themselves are that held prisons themselves are one of things that are one of the things that are falling apart. >> we need to look to look. >> and we need to look to look. either we build a whole load more prisons , or we need to look more prisons, or we need to look at the number of people we put in mean, some of them in prison. i mean, some of them have be kept in police have to be kept in police cells because isn't have to be kept in police cells becalin isn't have to be kept in police cells becalin in isn't have to be kept in police cells becalin in prisons isn't have to be kept in police cells becalin in prisons on isn't have to be kept in police cells becalin in prisons on the isn't have to be kept in police cells becalin in prisons on the base room in in prisons on the base of that . do we need to actually of that. do we need to actually send prison all the offenders send to prison all the offenders that actually do? prison that we actually do? prison should be there to keep dangerous criminals inside and secure and to protect the public. shouldn't be a dumping ground for people for minor crimes. if there's other ways of treating it, you would think, wouldn't you? >> but i'm wondering what people are because you are saying, because lots of you

have getting in touch with have been getting in touch with your emails. your thoughts and emails. vaiews@gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news. so let's see what everyone's saying. oh, on brexit, ian says brexit was right because it was the will of the people. trade deals should be that trade agreements only on trade deals and talks with india. ryan says as links with india. ryan says as links with india will benefit britain. but will northern ireland benefit from a trade deal with india? or will we yet again be excluded from any benefits because a full brexit hasn't happened ? yeah, brexit hasn't happened? yeah, that's interesting. a lot of people were also talking about the fact that rishi sunak is of course indian and that he's gone and that he's gone back to india and that he's gone back to india and that he's gone back to india and that is this a good thing as well for this country? the fact that we've got you know, that was the conversation we've certainly been welcomed india by. >> that's absolutely i mean, thatis >> that's absolutely i mean, that is a good thing on the northern ireland point, i mean, no, they won't be excluded if there a well, because there is a trade. well, because , i mean, northern ireland isn't actually britain . there

actually out of britain. there is a slightly different different system there because they have follow some single they have to follow some single market . but an awful lot market rules. but an awful lot of the depending on the actual goods that we're talking about trading, they should be able to benefit from indian trade. that doesn't contravene those particular rules. >> and of course we should sunak is but he's of indian is british, but he's of indian heritage. just correct heritage. i'll just correct that because somebody was gardening. i'd , am, but i'm because somebody was gardening. i'd really. , am, but i'm because somebody was gardening. i'd really. so , am, but i'm because somebody was gardening. i'd really. so no, am, but i'm because somebody was gardening. i'd really. so no, butn, but i'm because somebody was gardening. i'd really. so no, but heiut i'm because somebody was gardening. i'd really. so no, but he did'm not really. so no, but he did say very english and say he's very english and british, as you know, very british. but but of course he's his heritage is indeed i think it's i it's wonderful that it's i think it's wonderful that you know and i know obviously the indian community are very proud of that fact. but for me, actually, irrelevant . it actually, it is irrelevant. it is irrelevant, but it does have some positive effects. if he's going deals with india. >> it does. and i think it is wonderful. and yes , he's very wonderful. and yes, he's very proud his roots being born proud of his roots being born and up southampton . and brought up in southampton. great city. but it is important on the world stage that you can have relationships and if have these relationships and if it makes it easier that his family are originally from an indian continent, it eases the

way forward. he understands a culture that maybe he i would miss. he would the sort of idiosyncrasies of each country are always they're going to have their own rituals and their own belief and can belief systems. and he can understand and little understand and it a little bit better. his wife is there better. and his wife is there with him. i that always with him. i think that always helps minister's helps when a prime minister's spouse goes with them, irrespective gender. and it irrespective of gender. and it can only help. and i think that we need to not look at this solely on the benefit of race. i think this is no, i don't think we should. >> but it's nice. but then because it didn't work with joe biden, who claims that was biden, who claims that he was like, , get old. but like, yes, well, get old. but yeah , don't find these new irish. >> but it didn't actually work . >> but it didn't actually work. david mellor. >> no, you don't want to help out let's see. peter says >> no, you don't want to help out do let's see. peter says >> no, you don't want to help out do not let's see. peter says >> no, you don't want to help out do not need see. peter says >> no, you don't want to help outdo not need india'eter says >> no, you don't want to help outdo not need india forr says we do not need india for deals if more migrants if it means taking more migrants and our values. there and deserting our values. there are plenty of other places to do deals we should get deals with and we should get back to manufacturing. yeah, i'm with 100% yeah well, with you 100% there. yeah well, stay tuned. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. so much more still to come. it's this week's

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gusty winds at times and they will slowly clear away into the nonh will slowly clear away into the north sea, lingering for a time there across southern scotland before we see a band of cloud and rain make its way south eastwards. but that's all during what's going to be another warm and for starting the and humid night for starting the new working week . there will be new working week. there will be some brightness across the east with any mist, fog and low cloud lifting and breaking through. monday morning before we see cloud and outbreaks of rain erratically spreading southeast woods, there's a chance of some showers and maybe some further heavy showers and thunder storms developing just ahead of this. and those temperatures starting to come down from what we've seen through the weekend. so highs of 27 in southeast . highs of 27 in the southeast. now, as we look into tuesday , now, as we look into tuesday, that band of cloud and rain will become a little heavier, but slow moving as well as it moves into england and wales, but becoming cooler and fresher behind with more in the way of brightness . that the brightness. and that sets the theme rest of the week. theme for the rest of the week. feeling quite changeable and autumnal with temperatures autumnal with those temperatures dropping down back towards

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christine hamilton . but before christine hamilton. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> well, welcome to gb news latest news stories this hour, we can tell you that the latest news story is that daniel khalife has been charged with escaping custody after four days on the run from the authorities as the escaped terror suspect had strapped himself underneath a food delivery lorry escape a food delivery lorry to escape from wandsworth prison on wednesday . he from wandsworth prison on wednesday. he was from wandsworth prison on wednesday . he was tackled from a wednesday. he was tackled from a bicycle on a canal towpath in northolt in west london by an officer yesterday . he's due to officer yesterday. he's due to appear at westminster magistrates court tomorrow . magistrates court tomorrow. >> in the meantime , the justice >> in the meantime, the justice secretary says around 40 inmates have been moved out of wandsworth prison amid an investigation into daniel khalife escape . alex chalk khalife escape. alex chalk admits the prison is overcrowded, but promises the

government is doing all it can to provide resources as out of an abundance of caution, we've taken 42 to move elsewhere . taken 42 to move elsewhere. >> just as we get to the bottom of what happened . now, that is of what happened. now, that is a sensible interim precautionary step, and i just also want to make the point about about wandsworth. you know, there have been issues with crowding, wandsworth. you know, there have baccept ues with crowding, wandsworth. you know, there have baccept ,es with crowding, wandsworth. you know, there have baccept , which] crowding, wandsworth. you know, there have baccept , which goes'ding, wandsworth. you know, there have baccept , which goes back for i accept, which goes back for not just five years 25, 30 not just five years or 25, 30 years, but the difference is we are doing something about it. so very, very significant investment going into prisons . investment going into prisons. three well, two already built, one currently under construction. these are big, construction. and these are big, big jails . big jails. >> well, in other news today, the tuc is reporting the government to the united nations over a new uk law for requiring staff to work during strike action. the tuc general secretary says the legislation falls far short of international legal standards . legal standards. >> the government says the law protects the lives of the general public and as recently announced a consultation on how it will be enacted .

it will be enacted. >> but tuc general secretary paul novak described the new law as dreadful . as dreadful. >> well, this fight really matters . matters. >> these laws have not been designed to resolve conflict at work. >> they've been designed to escalate conflict at work . they escalate conflict at work. they are unworkable under democratic almost certainly in breach of international law. >> and they are the product of a desperate conservative government spoiling for a fight with unions to distract from their dire economic record . their dire economic record. >> meanwhile , rescue workers and >> meanwhile, rescue workers and residents fear for the stability of buildings as aftershocks hit morocco . morocco. >> more than 2000 people have lost their lives after the 6.8 magnitude quake struck remote areas of the atlas mountains on friday. the moroccan military have cleared roads to allow aid and medical treatment for the thousands of injured people , and thousands of injured people, and the country has declared three days of national mourning . here days of national mourning. here the prime minister says he's

confronted the chinese premier, li keqiang , at the g20 summit in li keqiang, at the g20 summit in new delhi over alleged spying in westminster . the sunday times westminster. the sunday times newspaper reporting today a man in his 30s and a man in his 20s were arrested in march under the official secrets act. one of the men was a researcher with links to several tory mps . the prime to several tory mps. the prime minister says if it's true , it's minister says if it's true, it's totally unacceptable . totally unacceptable. >> right approach is to engage with people, but to raise the concerns that we have, that's what our allies do and our strategy is completely aligned with our closest allies, whether that's america, canada , that's america, canada, australia, japan, you know, all these countries engage with china, raise these areas of disagreement, as i did today, on a different a range of different topics, but in particular to register my very strong concern about any interference with parliamentary democracy, which is obviously unacceptable . is obviously unacceptable. >> bill. now now defence cuts have left a gap in the uk's ability to fight from the air that will last well into the 2030. >> that's according to mps. the

commons defence committee says cuts set out in 2021 leave britain danger grossly exposed and warned the military's combat air fleet is alarmingly low in number. mps have noted that the mod will spend more than £55 million, sending pilots overseas for fast jet training because of a lack of aircraft availability. here and lastly, sir mo farah has completed the final race of his career, sealing fourth place in the great north run . today, in the great north run. today, the four time olympic champion finished in one hour, three minutes and 28 seconds. and as you can imagine, he was cheered on and greeted by vast crowds , on and greeted by vast crowds, giving him high fives as he crossed the finish line and to him, of course, enacting the famous m with his hands above his head . the sports star his head. the sports star announced earlier this year that the time had finally come for him to move away from running . him to move away from running. you with gb news across the uk

on tv, in your car, on digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying, play gb news now though, let's get back to nana akua. >> good afternoon . thank you, >> good afternoon. thank you, polly. this is the gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua as to slavery, is it just me or do you get the feeling that the likes of laura trevelyan getting together to indoctrinate us with the so—called sins of her ancestors 7 so—called sins of her ancestors ? ours is actually an attention grab. let's face it. what else was laura doing after leaving the bbc? if you haven't already heard , laura trevelyan has set heard, laura trevelyan has set up a group called heirs to slavery and over 100 british families have joined . and the families have joined. and the aim is to raise money to pay reparations for the slave trade in which our ancestors participated. so instead of maybe giving away everything she has, if she believes this crud ,

has, if she believes this crud, oh, she can't possibly do that . oh, she can't possibly do that. she's created a fundraiser where rich people can remind each other of their financial privilege so they can feel good about themselves and give money to the poor black people. i watched laura pathetically educating some black kids about how not nice her white ancestors were and how angry these kids should be about what happened to not them. of course, and not the people. before them, or even the people. before them, or even the people before them or even the ones before them. riddick was so very basically put, if you look like you were probably a slave. so in this case black, you can jump so in this case black, you can jump on the bandwagon of reparations. so people who look like slave owners in her simplistic view, white people and in this case our ancestors can pay those who look like me . can pay those who look like me. so basically black, a pathetic sum of money. she's traced her guilt back to grenada . now it's guilt back to grenada. now it's hilarious, but being black, if you live in grenada or anywhere where there were slaves or the

trade, so the entire world doesn't automatically make you guiltless, many of the slave owners were black. i mean , who owners were black. i mean, who do you think brought the slaves to the coast in africa to be sold to the white traders in the first africans . and first place? the africans. and what now? to the descendants of those people literally everyone, it would seem, has been involved in slavery at one time or other on all those po faced banks with their esg diversity and inclusion rankings had the gall to cancel nigel farage and other hard working people in this country because they didn't like their politics. oh, we can't have you. your views don't align with our values. really well. it transpires that many have their own links to barbaric slavery. yes lloyd's of london. you insured shipping of cargo during the slave trade and that included underwriting slaves , included underwriting slaves, barclays and rbs, owners of natwest . you have direct links natwest. you have direct links as well. what's wrong ? the cat

as well. what's wrong? the cat got your tongue all this moral high ground baloney and judgement of your customers. yet you in some cases were bankrolled it what was it they called nigel a xenophobic disingenuous grifter? a racist. you want to look in the mirror? even the church of england owned slaves . in the meantime, there slaves. in the meantime, there are more slaves than ever in africa . do they care? no, africa. do they care? no, because they know the africans will tell you where to shove paying will tell you where to shove paying reparations. what about the british soldiers who died ending slavery? will their families get some cash from laura's pot ? are you saving up laura's pot? are you saving up for them as well, laura's pot? are you saving up for them as well , laura, laura's pot? are you saving up for them as well, laura, in your heirs to slavery whatsapp group. laura's opened up a can of worms and now the national reparations commission in the caribbean want to bypass government to demand reparations from institutions? yes chase the banks and churches. i hope they bankrupt themselves, trying to show their wokery that measly 100 k that laura cobbled together doesn't cut it bankrupt yourself, girl.

show us just how woke you are. lay down your iphone, your electric car and your clothes because they all probably have links to slavery as well . for links to slavery as well. for me, this is just another attempt for laura to make herself feel relevant. she's got money and time on her hands. she's created a cascade now of others wanting to show their wokery no to show their fake wokery and no one is going to be turning down free money. this, however, has a more sinister undertone. it reinforce forces the narrative of victimhood , ensuring that of victimhood, ensuring that black people believe the lie that they are constantly disadvantaged because of their colour and basically it creates hate and racism. the victimhood is profitable and there's money in it . and in laura's case, in it. and in laura's case, attention . i don't see this attention. i don't see this bandwagon stopping any time soon. do you . so before we get soon. do you. so before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this houn the great british debate. this hour, asking , do you trust hour, i'm asking, do you trust the with our national the government with our national security? as first reported in the sunday man who

the sunday times, a man who worked the government worked within the government close glee with tory mps was arrested in march the arrested in march under the official act. so do you official secrets act. so do you trust the government with our national security? if that national security? if it's that lax , then at 450 it's worldview lax, then at 450 it's worldview . we'll cross to la with paul duddndge . we'll cross to la with paul duddridge to get the latest from donald who allegedly donald trump, who allegedly wants markle . wants to debate meghan markle. emerge. imagine that. plus, we'll to moscow to we'll go over to moscow to discuss putin's discuss president putin's meeting with turkish president erdogan. and then at five, it's this week's outside . now i'm this week's outside. now i'm joined special guest. joined by a very special guest. she is renowned . she's a she is renowned. she's a canadian born singer known to audiences all around the world. she's released one solo album called the big kiss back in 1987. that's not very fussy. you can almost see her, but can you guess who she is? she'll be live in the studio. that is coming up in the studio. that is coming up in houn in the studio. that is coming up in hour. tell in the next hour. as ever. tell me everything me what you think on everything we're . email gb we're discussing. email gb views. gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. right. let's get

started. let's welcome again to my panel broadcast and journalist danny kelly and also broadcaster and author christine hamilton. danny, you look like you've been in the sun, have you ? >> 7- >> i've 7— >> i've shed ? >> i've shed another 7 >> i've shed another 2 ? >> i've shed another 2 or 7 >> i've shed another 2 or £3. >> i've shed another 2 or £3. >> well done . >> well done. >> well done. >> i've been walking in the beautiful sunlight , £2, 2 to 3. beautiful sunlight, £2, 2 to 3. >> i've now lost one stone, £5. >> no, no, that's in a week. yeah i'm losing about a couple of pounds a week. really healthy. yeah i do. >> yes. the exercise bike just healthy. yeah i do. >> down he exercise bike just healthy. yeah i do. >> down on exercise bike just healthy. yeah i do. >> down on the cise bike just healthy. yeah i do. >> down on the food)ike just healthy. yeah i do. >> down on the food .ke just healthy. yeah i do. >> down on the food . wellust healthy. yeah i do. >> down on the food . well done. cut down on the food. well done. and also can have a of and also you can have a glass of wine you wine every night as long as you burn energy off in the burn the energy off in the morning, you're doing it. >> the right way. >> absolutely the right way. slowly surely . slowly but surely. >> and what happens is >> and what always happens is you a when you first you have a rush when you first start lose and start dieting, you you lose and then you sort slow down and then you sort of slow down and you , well, eating you think, well, i'm not eating anything losing any more. >> i know about the compliments, but well. but he's he's doing really well. >> i'm proud of danny. >> i'm proud of danny. >> well done. thank you very much indeed, christine. >> you good. >> you look good. you look good. thank you. you look fabulous. okay, great. thank you. okay. so, think? so, danny, what do you think? reparations. a reparations. it's like a bandwagon people jumping bandwagon of people now jumping on. take the money. on. i'll take the free money. >> know what >> yeah, and do you know what she is?

>> unfortunate . >> unfortunate. >> unfortunate. >> i feel sorry for other families may have families who may have descendants slave owners descendants who are slave owners who feel emotionally who now feel emotionally blackmail into, oh, blackmailed , into into having to join this otherwise if they're excluded it's a voluntary exclusion. nothing is really voluntary in this because that laura trevelyan is switched on and she'll know that that it's really if you're not part of this , 125 group of families this, 125 group of families descended from from slave owners, then you're going to stand out. you'll be standing out like a sore thumb. so she's she's she's tactically manipulating it fabulously from her perspective. she's donated £100,000. >> well, i don't think it was her personally. i think she got together a group people who together a group of people who then money. so i thought then put the money. so i thought it was her family. >> trevelyan family. yeah, but. >> trevelyan family. yeah, but. >> but there's lots of other members within family, so members within the family, so that's in the that's what i read in the guardian. okay when it was initially true . if initially out. must be true. if it the guardian, i mean, initially out. must be true. if itmight the guardian, i mean, initially out. must be true. if itmight the got|rdian, i mean, initially out. must be true. if itmight the got|rdwrong,1ean, i might have got it wrong, but either amount either way, it's a measly amount because over because there were over 100. >> , from her perspective, >> i also, from her perspective, i also would use the i also i also would use the analogy a modern day crime

analogy of a modern day crime where proceeds of crime, the old bill come after you. >> if you have if you have gained wealth from crime and from her perspective, her family is fabulously wealthy through the proceeds of crime, she's already benefited . already benefited. >> i don't know why she's given a back but she a little bit back now, but she needs genuine with needs to if she's genuine with this thing, which think is this thing, which i think is nonsense already nonsense, she's already benefited her life benefited throughout her life and throughout years. how and throughout her years. how can you take that back? you can't of money at it. >> and the city of liverpool was built on the wealth of slavery as part of slave trade . as part of the slave trade. >> knock down. as part of the slave trade. >> exactlyyck down. as part of the slave trade. >> exactly .k down. as part of the slave trade. >> exactly . at down. as part of the slave trade. >> exactly . at whatn. as part of the slave trade. >> exactly . at what point do you >> exactly. at what point do you stop this reparation? >> well, christine , well, i >> well, christine, well, i mean, everybody is agreed that slavery was abhorrent . slavery was abhorrent. >> et cetera. et cetera . >> et cetera. et cetera. >> if laura trevelyan wants to do that, that's fine . do that, that's fine. >> i don't mind what individuals do. >> and if other individuals i mean, the current earl of harwood has apparently said that the whole of harwood house was built on slave money and he is joining in this. if they want to do that, fine . do that, that's fine. >> they contribute >> how much they contribute is entirely up to them. and

obviously money obviously the more money they have, the more they could contribute . what i so strongly contribute. what i so strongly object to is people who say that the should apologise the government should apologise and because it and make reparations because it it was not the government's responsible . we to responsible. we all, to a certain in this country, certain extent in this country, benefited from the slave trade. of course we did. and our ancestor has benefit. even if they just having sugar in they were just having sugar in their we're all their tea etcetera. so we're all guilty to that extent. but i don't, i mean i don't criticise laura trevelyan in quite the way that she may be, i do. that you do. she may be, i do. i think she's, she's entitled to do what she wants. it's a fairly small of money, 100,000. small amount of money, 100,000. >> know this to me is >> do you know this to me is quite irritating because i think, as i said, it's deeper than just the money. for me, it's a indoctrination, a reminder. wound . reminder. it's like a wound. keep picking the scab. you keep picking the scab. oh, you were you look, were slaves. you was. look, everyone that's. and i to me , everyone that's. and i to me, like these kids may be in grenada may not have known any of story . they may of that kind of story. they may be with this be moving forward with this vision unity. vision of just complete unity. and that happened in and you know that happened in the weren't the the past, but they weren't the first. mean, africans had first. i mean, the africans had slaves and then the white people. know all that. so

slaves and then the white peo whole know all that. so slaves and then the white peo whole background, that. so slaves and then the white peo whole background, the . so the whole background, the whole story , whole of what story, the whole premise of what she's , it's wrong. so she's saying, it's wrong. so that's my point. the premise is all i'm saying is that she is entitled to do whatever she wants her own money if she wants with her own money if she wants with her own money if she wants set up. wants to set up. >> understand what >> i understand what you're saying, that it's a psychological that she's psychological effect that she's indoctrinated racist indoctrinated in a racist narrative , even though she narrative, even though she thinks doing good. thinks that she's doing good. >> it's psychological >> but it's the psychological because when they because i remember when they told slave at told me about the slave trade at school, idea. i thought school, i had no idea. i thought what family what i was what my family wants. the even told the story wasn't even told properly. energy properly. and then the energy and environment changed. so and environment changed. and so in my view, i think you don't need doing that i don't need to be doing that. i don't to be forward. >> great debate to be forward. >> news great debate to be forward. >> news had'eat debate to be forward. >> news had'eenigerian guy gb news you had a nigerian guy who reparations who was advocating reparations and apologies and you had a british guy who was a sikh fellow. >> i can't remember name. >> i can't remember his name. he's think, and he's a historian, i think, and it was a fascinating debate and what it so fascinating it was a fascinating debate and whéguy it so fascinating it was a fascinating debate and whéguy opposing ascinating it was a fascinating debate and whéguy opposing the nating it was a fascinating debate and whéguy opposing the apologies the guy opposing the apologies and opposing the reparations was actually saying, look, if it hadnt actually saying, look, if it hadn't slavery, these hadn't been for slavery, these people are living much people nowadays are living much wealthier lives . they're living wealthier lives. they're living longer, they have more money. and that is not an excuse for what happened to their

ancestors. is that ancestors. but there is that light that shined it light that could be shined on it because they are living in 21st century developed west indies. >> you were saying when you first heard about slavery, you hadnt first heard about slavery, you hadn't known about it hitherto. but children are bound but i mean, children are bound to it sooner or to hear about it sooner or later. you should later. of course, you should protect young from from protect young children from from that you don't that sort of horror. you don't immediately tell them about that sort of horror. you don't immebut ely tell them about that sort of horror. you don't immebut everybodyzm about that sort of horror. you don't immebut everybody ,n about that sort of horror. you don't immebut everybody , sooner: that sort of horror. you don't immebut everybody , sooner or that. but everybody, sooner or later to know about it. later is going to know about it. and i don't think it's for and i just don't think it's for me to say laura trevelyan me to say that. laura trevelyan shouldn't do that with her money. her motives are, money. what her motives are, of course, her and her course, is between her and her bank account. >> i it's damaging. >> i think it's damaging. and also story quite also the story isn't quite being told . and i just don't told correctly. and i just don't i just can't see the point of this because there's just no point all it does, point to it because all it does, it's supposing some some worthwhile charities get set up for in the sake of argument grenada wherever the other grenada or wherever the other people donate money to people want to donate money to what's wrong well, what's wrong with that? well, because that because the point is that actually the people ? actually what about the people? what the africans what about the africans then? if she's going to do story, she's going to do that story, you how far do go you go back. how far do you go back? any back? it just doesn't make any sense yes. sense at all. yes. >> but you might because >> but you might say because i can't make a donation of £100,000 charity

£100,000 to a particular charity , i won't make my donation of £5, make sense. if £5, which doesn't make sense. if you make a smaller donation, it's still making . it's still worth making. >> no, ijust it's still worth making. >> no, i just think it's just nonsense. it'sjust >> no, i just think it's just nonsense. it's just silly. and it creates where it creates a situation where people start to feel more racist. works . racist. i don't think it works. i know she's doing it. i don't know why she's doing it. i'd actually like it to stop. you looking at you know, i'm looking at it thinking maybe of thinking maybe the people of grenada you grenada will think, yeah, you know, but would to know, but who would say no to free money, benevolent white lady? you know. but this is lady? well you know. but this is gb tv , online and on gb news on tv, online and on digital still come, digital radio. still to come, this week's outside. she's a renowned canadian born singer known all around known to audiences all around the world. she released solo the world. she released a solo album the big kiss back album called the big kiss back in 1985. and in the 80s, she recorded theme song for the recorded the theme song for the comedy . have you comedy film gotcha. have you worked out who she is? well keep your coming in. let's your messages coming in. let's get your latest weather . get your latest weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon . my name is >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met

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gb news radio . gb news radio. >> just coming up to 25 minutes after 4:00. welcome on board. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. let's see what you've been saying. i was talking about reparations . robert says uk reparations. robert says any uk claimants of reparations should reparations. robert says any uk clarepatriatedeparations should reparations. robert says any uk cla repatriated beforeyns should reparations. robert says any uk cla repatriated before their|ould be repatriated before their claim is processed . david says claim is processed. david says never heard anything so ridiculous. maybe we need to start asking for reparation for

ourselves. slavery was abolished over 200 years ago. our america and other countries are going to pay and other countries are going to pay as well . i know. and in pay as well. i know. and in fact, to be honest, it hasn't been abolished, it's been abolished, has it? it's still over the still going on all over the world in world and in africa, in particular. brian says they need to demand reparations from the rich , kings and rich landowners, kings and princes their own princes who sold their own people into slavery . you make people into slavery. you make a very good point. it's time. in fact , would very good point. it's time. in fact, would be just nice if fact, it would be just nice if people lessons people just learn the lessons of the stopped the past, moved on and stopped blaming other it's blaming each other because it's just game . but it's now just a blame game. but it's now time the great british time for the great british debate and i'm debate this hour. and i'm asking, the asking, do you trust the government with our national security of the security in light of the revelation from the sunday times that a man who worked within the government mps that a man who worked within the govearrested mps that a man who worked within the govearrested in mps that a man who worked within the govearrested in march mps that a man who worked within the govearrested in march under mps that a man who worked within the govearrested in march under the’s was arrested in march under the official amid claims official secrets act amid claims that he was spying for china and he had reportedly had links with two foreign affairs, the foreign affairs committee committee chairwoman alicia kearns and also security minister tom tugendhat. and both mps denied any contact with this researcher . but the problem is, i mean, how did these people get in in the first place? the prime minister says confronted

minister says that he confronted the premier, li huang. i the chinese premier, li huang. i hopei the chinese premier, li huang. i hope i said that right at the g20 summit over beijing's alleged spy by two men in westminster . just another series westminster. just another series of incompetence and missteps from the halls of power. there was the incident with suella braverman, who accidentally breached her own security last year her personal email year by using her personal email for work. and then you even have a labour mp who received thousands of pounds in donations from chinese from an alleged chinese government affiliate . so for the government affiliate. so for the great british debate this hour, government affiliate. so for the gretaskingh debate this hour, government affiliate. so for the gretasking do debate this hour, government affiliate. so for the gretasking do youte this hour, government affiliate. so for the gretasking do you trust; hour, government affiliate. so for the gretasking do you trust the ur, i'm asking do you trust the government with our national security ? i'm joined now security? i'm joined now by claire political claire pearsall political commentator and former conservative adviser , conservative special adviser, sir nelson. news, sir nigel nelson. gb news, senior political commentator henry bolton, former ukip leader, and also dr. raqeeb hassan. he's a social social policy analyst . right. well, hassan. he's a social social policy analyst. right. well, i'm going to start with you . henry going to start with you. henry bolton . bolton. >> hi, nana. hi um, yeah, look , >> hi, nana. hi um, yeah, look, no , it's the easy answer. >> hi, nana. hi um, yeah, look, no , it's the easy answer . we no, it's the easy answer. we have a huge amount of naivety. >> i believe , within the british

>> i believe, within the british parliamentary system with regards to china , but not only china. >> there are a range of different national security threats that i really believe are not on the radar of most of our members of parliament or indeed civil servants . they are indeed civil servants. they are living in a bit of a bubble now , the fact is that the chinese have been conducting so various levels of espionage against british politicians. the civil servants, civil service these are public institutions and businesses. so, for example, rolls royce , who have this rolls royce, who have this unique capability both in aero engine construction and design, but also in miniature nuclear power stations and the electronics that govern them. that has been a significant and i mean a massive amount of espionage organised espionage. what the chinese state rolls royce targeting rolls royce , royce targeting rolls royce, their nuclear division targeting do we rolls—royce, have we heard this 100% trust me, nana i know

for sure that that's the case. >> but do we have evidence of that ? do we have evidence of that? >> i can't i can't tell you how i know , but i know directly and i know, but i know directly and i know, but i know directly and iused i know, but i know directly and i used to work in the reason i'm asking you is because because that hearsay. that could be hearsay. >> it written >> i mean, is it been written as anyone >> i mean, is it been written as any it's hearsay . no, this >> i mean, is it been written as any it's hearsay. no, this is >> it's not hearsay. no, this is not hearsay. >> anywhere . >> not anywhere. >> not anywhere. >> uh, i, i not that i know of. certainly not the source. i doubt it. just so you know, i was an intelligence officer, and so on. i mean , you'll have to so on. i mean, you'll have to take my word for it for that, but i can also tell you directly that i've had conversations with 10 downing street in 2016 about about my knowledge of what the chinese were doing and the targeting of civil servants and political advisors . now, as far political advisors. now, as far as i know, nothing happened from that. it wasn't for me to follow up but i know that this up on it, but i know that this has raised by various has been raised by various people very long time. yeah. >> so let's, let's move on to dr mo khaki. let's move on to doctor raqib your doctor raqib. hassan raqib your thoughts on them because you

know, we do hear that there seems a of chinese seems to be a lot of chinese infiltration within our politics. do you feel that the government are capable of actually looking government are capable of actuaour looking government are capable of actuaour national looking government are capable of actuaour national securityyking government are capable of actuaour national security ?ing after our national security? >> think that there may >> well, i think that there may well be a lack of public confidence on these fronts. >> the reality is that the national security threat is incredibly diverse. it can come from a variety of types of terrorist , um, from a variety of types of terrorist, um, espionage , terrorist, um, espionage, hostile state activity . and if hostile state activity. and if you want to really broaden that out, you can even expand the definition comes definition when it comes to looking energy security, looking at energy security, which we certainly have issues on even our food on that front. and even our food security, especially you security, especially when you see i know that food here see i know that food prices here a of is internationally a lot of that is internationally driven, we can at least have driven, but we can at least have a debate about how we have a more secure arrangement for more food secure arrangement for our country . and i just our own country. and i just think these complexities think that these complexities all too often, i think there may well be a very good number of politicians who haven't really grasped severity of the grasped the severity of the problem variety of fronts . problem on a variety of fronts. >> yeah, that's interesting you say . claire pearsall. say that. claire pearsall. i think has brought a very

think raqib has brought a very interesting to table interesting point to the table that actually it's so many that actually it's on so many different levels and the decision within the decision making within the government some those government and some of those decisions expose the uk . decisions expose the uk. >> well, that's right. and that is a really valid point that it takes many, many forms. and i think that misinformation actually is one of the biggest forms it takes. and that's what hostile states generally like to do with the with especially with the government in the uk, is to put these sort of misinformation campaigns around . and i do think campaigns around. and i do think that there needs to be a little bit of education of parliamentarian views. but realistically, these security services are extremely good at their job services are extremely good at theirjob and we don't need to their job and we don't need to have every decision, every piece of information given to us. we don't need it. we shouldn't have it. we should allow them to get on and do their job. but i do on and do theirjob. but i do think that around the wider points about energy security or food security, that needs greater information to be brought to parliamentarians, especially and to the civil service and then that can be fed

back to the public at large. but i do think that the security services do an incredibly good job given the circumstances . job given the circumstances. >> nigel nelson yeah, i mean, i think that, that i'm sure think that, that i'm not sure i trust the government with the nation's , but i do nation's security, but i do trust m15 , and they're the ones trust m15, and they're the ones who are the lead agency who are deaung who are the lead agency who are dealing with and as you dealing with it. and as you pointed out, there are a whole different areas of attacks from abroad. so the spying is the second oldest profession. we've always had spies . we spy against always had spies. we spy against other people. they spy against us. terrorism is the more serious one because that's that that has a direct effect on us. i mi5 that has a direct effect on us. i m15 has been able to disrupt, disrupt 37 late stage plots since 2017, which is a pretty good record. i think what m15 should do is explain a bit more about the plots within operational security . so as we operational security. so as we know exactly what we've just avoided, well , listen, keep your avoided, well, listen, keep your thoughts coming. >> thank you so much to my panellists, claire pearsall and also nigel nelson, but also dr. raqib and henry bolton.

raqib hassan and henry bolton. thank for thoughts. thank you for your thoughts. keep news keep them coming here on gb news gb views gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news. i'm nana akua. if you've just tuned in. this is of course, for gb news live on tv, onune course, for gb news live on tv, online digital radio. online and on digital radio. after break, will after the break, we will continue with the great british debate i'm asking debate this hour. and i'm asking , do trust government , do you trust the government with our national security? you'll the thoughts of my you'll hear the thoughts of my panel and journalist panel broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. also author and journalist christine hamilton . journalist christine hamilton. but first, let's get your latest news with polly news headlines with polly middlehurst . nana. middlehurst. nana. >> thank you. the top stories this hour. daniel kelly has been charged with escaping custody after four days on the run from the authorities . the escaped the authorities. the escaped terror suspect had strapped himself underneath a food delivery lorry to escape from wandsworth prison on wednesday. he was tackled from his bicycle on a canal towpath in northolt, west london, by an officer yesterday and he's due to appear at westminster magistrates court

tomorrow . meanwhile, the justice tomorrow. meanwhile, the justice secretary says around 40 inmates have been moved out of wandsworth prison amid an investigation into daniel khalife escape. alex chalk admits the prison is overcrowded, but promises the government is doing all it can with resources . the tuc is with resources. the tuc is saying it's going to report the government to the un over a new uk law requiring staff to work dunng uk law requiring staff to work during strike action. the union's general secretary says the legislation falls far short of international legal standards. the government says the law protects the lives of the law protects the lives of the general public and has recently announced a consultation on how it will be enacted . and as you've been enacted. and as you've been hearing, the prime minister says he's confronted the chinese premier, li keqiang, at the g 20 summit in new delhi over alleged spying in westminster. the sunday times reporting today a man in his 30s and a man in his 20s were arrested back in march under the official secrets act. one of the men was a researcher with links to several senior

tory mps. the prime minister saying if it's true, it's totally unacceptable. and finally , sir, mo farah has finally, sir, mo farah has completed his final race of his career, sealing fourth place in the great north run today. the four time olympic champion said it's been an amazing journey. he was cheered on and greeted by vast crowds as he crossed the finish line today. more on all those stories. head to our website, gbnews.com . website, gbnews.com. >> good afternoon . this is gb >> good afternoon. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. still to come, this week's outside . now she is renowned. outside. now she is renowned. she's a canadian born singer known to audiences all around the world. she's released one solo album called the big kiss. that was back in 1985. in the 80, as she recorded the theme song for the comedy film gotcha . who do you think she is? get in

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and it was for spying. so that was amid claims that he was spying. now, reportedly, he had links to foreign affairs committee chairwoman alicia kearns and also security minister tom tugendhat and both mps denied any contact with the researcher . and the prime researcher. and the prime minister said that he confronted chinese premier li shuang said that right. don't laugh at me, danny. at the g20 summit over beijing's alleged spying of these men. so so is this just another series of security scares from the halls of power? i mean, you had the incident with suella braverman, who accidentally breached her own security year using her security last year by using her personal email for work and then you've even had labour mp who you've even had a labour mp who received thousands pounds received thousands of pounds in donations from an alleged chinese government affiliate. so for the great british debate, this and rakib hasan brought out some other interesting concepts of national security that we need as like need to consider as well, like energy and the energy security and the negotiations that the government are so the are doing there. so for the great hour, great british debate this hour, i'm the i'm asking, do you trust the government with our national security? see what my

security? let's see what my panel that. joining me panel make of that. joining me is broadcaster is author and broadcaster christine hamilton , also christine hamilton, also broadcaster danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. i don't know. i think i'll christine . i'll start with christine. >> think this >> well, i don't think this house of commons alleged infiltration is anything to be too worried about because mps just do not have access to any serious secret information that would be of interest to the chinese and even tom tugendhat. >> so why would they be bugging them if they. well, because they they would like to try and get in on off chance. they would like to try and get in i on off chance. they would like to try and get in i mean, on off chance. they would like to try and get in i mean, for off chance. they would like to try and get in i mean, for tugendhat for >> i mean, for tom tugendhat for example, who had example, who might have had access in his security minister role for him to either deliberately or by by negligence, leaving something lying around, allow somebody who was not authorised to see secrets. i mean, that would be a criminal offence. so he's not likely to do that. and in theory, any government minister, when they take sensitive documents outside their department, they have to keep them under lock and key, even when the of when they're in the house of commons. i don't think i'm commons. so i don't think i'm not of too steamed up about not sort of too steamed up about

that. they have get that. but they do have to get a grip on access to the grip on who has access to the house commons, course. but house of commons, of course. but i like i think things like energy security far more serious. security are far more serious. i really do. and i think because energy is such a hot potato at the moment, whether it's, you know, supply or know, net zero or the supply or the . cetera. cetera. the cost. et cetera. et cetera. and i think the chinese, they want domination , don't want world domination, don't they? and they're slowly putting want world domination, don't tithinkind they're slowly putting want world domination, don't tithink everybody slowly putting want world domination, don't tithink everybody wants' putting want world domination, don't tithink everybody wants that. ng i think everybody wants that. no, no we don't. the no, they don't. no we don't. the russians want that. russians don't want that. >> well, maybe indians. they >> well, maybe the indians. they wanted to go to space first. >> is already >> you know, china is already putting their tentacles out all over world in soft ways. and over the world in soft ways. and more obvious ways. and so i think for them to have power over our energy and our energy security would be very, very serious indeed . serious indeed. >> i mean, look, danny, do you trust these people? because look, they're so haphazard with minor breaches, as know, minor breaches, as you know, that when it comes to i think they feel a bit naive. me, they feel a bit naive. to me, it's keystone cops, the it's like the keystone cops, the way they handle everything. i mean, the government. yeah the government, mean, the government. yeah the govwell,3nt, forget mps >> well, don't forget the mps and i hope that security is as tight as as you say, christine. but sometimes should be.

sometimes the paparazzi , while sometimes the paparazzi, while they're walking to 10 downing street, often seen with street, they're often seen with these secret sort of a force these top secret sort of a force , pieces of paper saying top secret , you know, sensitive secret, you know, sensitive eyes, all of this sort of stuff. so keystone cops, there's been a few keystone cop moments . the few keystone cop moments. the question is, is do we trust our government national government with our national security? littered security? history is littered with espionage . you know, we've with espionage. you know, we've probably got spies in beijing , probably got spies in beijing, and beijing may well spies and beijing may well have spies in in westminster. i hope we've got americans of beijing. i bet you the americans have got spies in the uk spying on us. even though they're our closest ally. they're not soft, keep they're not soft, you know, keep your enemies . what's that your enemies. what's that expression? keep your friends close even closer. close your enemies even closer. and it does support, i think it was the boris johnson government that okay, we are not that said, okay, we are not going with huawei for our 5g. eventually, eventually . eventually, eventually. >> but it wasn't they didn't do it immediately. quite it immediately. there was quite a the a fight there. it was when the five look, we don't five eyes said, look, we don't really you. we don't really want to be you. we don't really want to be you. we don't really to be part of really want you to be part of this this security group. really want you to be part of thyou're this security group. really want you to be part of thyou're thistocurity group. really want you to be part of thyou're thisto usety group. really want you to be part of thyou're thisto use huawei. if you're going to use huawei for your. yeah. was the for your. yeah. so that was the

pressure exerted on external, external other countries who would be integrated within our security network. you weren't happy with that. >> so that support the >> so that does support the theory there's no theory at the time is there's no smoke fire. and now 4 or smoke without fire. and now 4 or 5 years after the 5g huawei thing , now we're talking about thing, now we're talking about two youngsters . two arrests. only youngsters. what i find fascinating well , what i find fascinating well, they're in their 20s. one's in his i fascinating his 30s. what i find fascinating is actually see the is how they actually see the indoctrination process . how does indoctrination process. how does a chinese government representative actually start tapping himself into these young people at westminster? the conversations probably money well, alleged ridley it may well be, but but but how many people have rebutted those advances? and why we hear about and why don't we hear about those rebuttals allegedly , one those rebuttals allegedly, one of the people who'd been arrested went to china and that's became indoctrinated. >> if that's the one, if that's the right word, whether any money changed hands, goodness the right word, whether any money but1ged hands, goodness the right word, whether any money but i|ed hands, goodness the right word, whether any money but i think nds, goodness the right word, whether any money but i think the goodness the right word, whether any money but i think the systemess the right word, whether any money but i think the system at knows. but i think the system at westminster is they've tightened up unbelievably. mean , in the up unbelievably. i mean, in the good i started good old days when i started there, you just in there, you could just wander in and and say hi the and out and say hi to the policeman. it. you policeman. that was it. you didn't have a pass. it was

nothing. obviously nothing. so they've obviously got tighter on all got tighter and tighter on all that. but i'm perfectly certain, by the way, that the americans are spying on of they are spying on us. of course they are. and we would be are. and we would naturally be less suspicious of the americans than would be of the chinese, than we would be of the chinese, because are . it's because basically they are. it's them and us, it? i do them and us, isn't it? i do believe of ideas. believe battle of ideas. >> i believe it is an >> i do believe that it is an indoctrination rather than a financial thing, because the greatest spies of greatest infamous spies of history have followed history have always followed political ideology of the people that they're working for. so like the soviets, you know, the spies in the uk were always communist sympathies . communist sympathies. >> but i suppose we almost made up >> but i suppose we almost made up spying >> but i suppose we almost made up spying we've up spying because we've got james do . >> we do. >> we do. >> you've only got to look back at the james bond soon. >> they yeah. what >> they won't. they yeah. what is your thoughts? keep is what are your thoughts? keep them coming. show is them coming. this show is nothing you your nothing without you and your views. our views. so let's welcome our great their great british voices. their opportunity to be on the show and what think and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. over to discussing. let's go over to saint have a chat saint albans. let's have a chat with regular voice jackie sampson. jackie, welcome . um, sampson. jackie, welcome. um, jackie, how are you? all right . jackie, how are you? all right. actually got really bad cold,

but danny has taken the words out of my mouth. >> there's always been spies and spying. it's history is littered with them . it's always been that with them. it's always been that way. it always will be that way, in my opinion. but do i trust the government with national security? absolutely. do normally, i'm the first person to rail against the system, but for that reason , a military for that reason, a military national security. >> it's all about big bucks. >> it's all about big bucks. >> and think for that reason we have the agencies there. >> we have a tight system and i do trust them. >> you trust them ? jackie >> you trust them? jackie sampson, thank you very much . a sampson, thank you very much. a pleasure to talk to you. hope you get better. hope cold you get better. i hope your cold feels jackie , feels better. that's jackie, sir. voice there sir. a great british voice there in , where you're in saint albans, where you're with nana is with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb tv, online and on gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up at 5:00 this week's outside we talk highs, lows, lessons learned and what next on outside. what comes next on the outside. but is she? she's renowned but who is she? she's a renowned canadian known to canadian born singer known to audiences over the world. audiences all over the world. she's released one solo album called the big kiss back in

1985. in the 80s, she recorded the theme song for the comedy film gotcha. between the years of 19. 1977 and 1987, she scored an impressive 14 uk hits. yes keep guessing all will be revealed. who do you think she is? but first, i think he's giving away . let's get some giving it away. let's get some weather . weather. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon . my name is >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so there have been plenty of heavy showers and thunder storms around already today and if we look at this chart here, can these chart here, you can see these occlusions mark bit focus occlusions mark a bit of a focus for showers we for some of these showers as we go the rest today. so go through the rest of today. so looking at this afternoon and this evening, a continuation of those thunderstorms is where we could see some hail and strong , could see some hail and strong, gusty times. and they gusty winds at times. and they will slowly clear away into the nonh will slowly clear away into the north sea, lingering for a time

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because we've got a bit going on with the black sea deal and the grain. what's happening with that ? hello grain. what's happening with that? hello nana. >> yes. this week, president putin met with turkish president erdogan on monday in the russian city of sochi in the south of the country. and well, it's noteworthy that president erdogan is the last leader of a nato country that is still to talking russia, but it's really in his best interest that this grain deal will be revived and the grain deal, i remind you, has to do with the facilitation of export of grain and fertiliser, fertilisers from southern ports of ukraine that are currently controlled by russia to the african countries. earlier russia withdrew from the grain deal . earlier russia withdrew from the grain deal. on july 17th and russia said that the reason is withdrawing because the grain deal does not longer serve its interests. because i remind you, according to the grain deal, russian agriculture bank was

supposed to be connected to the swift system and some of the sanctions of the exports of the russian grain were supposed to be lifted. and while , according be lifted. and while, according to this provisions to the kremlin, this provisions were not followed by russia's counterpart , nonetheless, the counterpart, nonetheless, the president putin said that russia remains open to continue negotiate and would be ready to revive this grain deal only if the conditions are . met the conditions are. met >> well, we'll see what happens with that. what about what about other stuff that's going on then? because, you know , the then? because, you know, the g20, the g20 , putin didn't show g20, the g20, putin didn't show up . up. >> obviously. he sent a sergey lavrov, our minister of foreign affairs, to g20 because while it would be pretty awkward if vladimir putin himself came to the g20 summit and well, he could still shake hands with xi jinping, but, well, who also, by the way, did not attend the g20 summit and i think he just

wanted to avoid the awkwardness and seeming ness of russia's isolation . that's the reason he isolation. that's the reason he didn't come . didn't come. >> or perhaps he saw what happened to prigozhin and thought perhaps he wouldn't get on a plane. thank you on a plane. alexei, thank you very much. very good to talk to you . that's alexei. there. you. that's alexei. he's there. thank goodbye. he's thank you. goodbye goodbye. he's there . let's get there in russia right. let's get over states and speak to over to the states and speak to the host of the politics people podcast, , to find podcast, paul duddridge, to find out what's going on there. so top stories , of course, trump top stories, of course, trump and his indictments. it's been and his indictments. it's been an interesting time for donald trump. so let's see if we can get hold of portraits because he's always got something he's he's always got something interesting say . we are interesting to say. we are starting to get a connection with you are. with him. oh, there you are. poorly. what's going on then? poorly. so what's going on then? get us to with the trump get us up to date with the trump indictments . i look better indictments. i look better before yes , the trump indictments. >> they're going on a pace. we've got 91 of them. it's not going to make a blind bit of difference to his campaign. in fact, helping he in fact, it's helping it. he was in south week on the south dakota this week on the greatest i will say greatest form. what i will say was that this week and you

brought up earlier that he said he'd be prepared to and was interested in debating meghan markle, which would be a wonderful event, that we would all be glued into. it's the world holds its breath hoping for the great trump markle debate . debate. >> but she would never do that because as then she would look well i don't think it would work out well for her. he's an incredibly entertaining figure and he's got a lot of support, whereas hers is waning. she wouldn't do it, would she? do you ? you think? >> well, would the only >> well, it would be the only way she's going to get her spotify i'll put it spotify deal back, i'll put it that way . that way. >> yeah, true . if she did, she >> yeah, true. if she did, she should bite his hand off. >> yeah, she should do shouldn't she for her spotify deal. >> could you imagine. yeah. she should actually. now you mentioned that . mentioned that. >> well know, she's got >> well you know, she's got a track record of teaming up with people of german descent get people of german descent to get media deals. >> it work out perfectly . >> it would work out perfectly. it's a pattern , but we know what it's a pattern, but we know what they're called a podcast. >> so i don't think they're >> so i don't think what they're called about podcast. called are about the podcast.

but prospect ? and but what about the prospect? and let's biden because let's move on to biden because there's that there's the prospect that he could out could potentially drop out of the race for 2024 and people are actually opening , aren't they, actually opening, aren't they, discussing ? discussing this? >> this is the interesting thing. >> the chatter has changed. >> the chatter has changed. >> look, there's so many times we talk and actually it's like a few weeks in advance. the chatter changed. the reason chatter has changed. the reason ibnng chatter has changed. the reason i bring this up that it been i bring this up is that it been now talked about as opposed to whether the biden would ever drop out it how he would do it, and when he would do it is now the talk. and it's really interesting . and so what they're interesting. and so what they're trying to do is make it this is this is what the scenario that's playing out is, is that he would drop out at the last possible moment so that the democratic party could control the primaries and control who comes in. it would stop paris. it would stop kamala automatically replacing him. he would be able to see out his full term and be replaced by a parachute candidate at the last minute . candidate at the last minute. and the democrat party would be able control over able to hold control over everything. is now being everything. this is now being

talked quite talked about in quite it's really . it's really really interesting. it's really sneaky. absolutely. >> it sneaky . but ultimately, >> it is sneaky. but ultimately, you they were kind of you knew that they were kind of puppeteering this man anyway because he you've he because he as you've seen, he doesn't really know what he's saying doing . so saying or what he's doing. so they always using him as they will always using him as some sort of puppet so they could want some sort of puppet so they co put want some sort of puppet so they co put in. want some sort of puppet so they co put in. and want some sort of puppet so they co put in. and they're want some sort of puppet so they co put in. and they're obviously to put in. and they're obviously going to try and do at the going to try and do that at the best think . yeah, best moment. but i think. yeah, but he's also apparently facing impeachment and the prospect of a vote is that right? >> oh, this is fantastic. >> oh, this is fantastic. >> okay. finally the republicans in the house, now the house, this is important. the house only gets elected for two year terms and they've only got a five majority at the moment. but marjorie taylor, greene, etcetera, want him impeached . etcetera, want him impeached. and so what they're going to do is hold a vote very soon to impeach biden. they're probably going to lose. and because it's an election year, they're going to go to the constituents of every republican that votes for biden against the impeachment. they're going to go directly to the constituents go , you see

the constituents and go, you see what representative what your representative is doing hold vote doing and then hold the vote again . they've actually got again. they've actually got a very good chance against much more sober writers than i are pointing out that this strategy could work. we could see a biden impeached right now over the next eight months. >> wow . but do next eight months. >> wow. but do you think that perhaps they you know , i don't perhaps they you know, i don't know. listen, it would be very interesting. we'll keep our eyes on happensin interesting. we'll keep our eyes on happens in the whole on what happens in the whole political with america. political scene with america. paul it's always a pleasure to political scene with america. paulto s always a pleasure to political scene with america. paulto you.rays a pleasure to political scene with america. paulto you. thank3leasure to political scene with america. paulto you. thank3learsoa to talk to you. thank you so much for joining me. that is paul forjoining me. that is paul duddridge. the duddridge. he's the host of the politics people podcast. you need to check him out. thank you, so still to come you, paul. wow so still to come on gb news, we're live on tv onune on gb news, we're live on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua loads more still to come . stay tuned. i've got my come. stay tuned. i've got my mystery outside guest , so stay mystery outside guest, so stay tuned for that. have you worked out who she is? gb views gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news with your thoughts as to who she is. she'll be live in news with your thoughts as to whcstudioy. she'll be live in news with your thoughts as to whcstudioy. sthel be live in news with your thoughts as to whc studioy. sthe nextlive in news with your thoughts as to whc studioy. sthe next few in the studio in the next few moments time. don't forget moments time. but don't forget you download the news you can also download the news app you can also download the news app . check out all programs

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well known. she was a duo of an act called dollar. who do you think she is ? get in touch. think she is? get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news for the great british debate. this hour. that's giving it i'm asking, debate. this hour. that's giving it it i'm asking, debate. this hour. that's giving it it to i'm asking, debate. this hour. that's giving it it to put i'm asking, debate. this hour. that's giving it it to put then asking, debate. this hour. that's giving it it to put the brakes|g, debate. this hour. that's giving it it to put the brakes on is it time to put the brakes on net zero? but first, let's get your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst . your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst. nana. >> thank you. the top story this houn >> thank you. the top story this hour, daniel khalife has been charged with escaping from custody after four days on the run from the authorities. the 21 year old escaped terror suspect had been strapping himself underneath a food delivery lorry in order to escape from wandsworth prison on wednesday . wandsworth prison on wednesday. he was tackled from a bicycle on a towpath in northolt in west london by an officer yesterday , london by an officer yesterday, and he's due to appear at westminster magistrates court tomorrow . well, the justice tomorrow. well, the justice secretary says around 40 inmates

have now been moved out of wandsworth prison amid an investigation into daniel khalife escape. alex chalk admitting the prison is overcrowded but also promising the government's doing all it can to provide resources as out of an abundance of caution, we've taken 40 hours to move elsewhere , just as we get to the elsewhere, just as we get to the bottom of what happened. >> now, is sensible >> now, that is a sensible interim precautionary step and i just also want to make the point about about wandsworth. you know, there have been issues with crowding, which i accept, which goes for not just which goes back for not just five years or 25, 30 years, but the difference are doing the difference is we are doing something about it. so very, very significant investment going prisons. 3 or 2 going into prisons. 3 or 2 already built, one currently under construction . and these under construction. and these are big, big jails. >> well, in other news today, the tuc is reporting that the government of the united nations over a new uk law requiring staff to work during times they're striking . the tuc's they're striking. the tuc's general secretary says the

legislation falls far short of international legal standards . international legal standards. the government says the law protects the lives of the public, such as in the case of doctors strikes , recently doctors strikes, recently announcing a consultation on how the law will be enacted . but tuc the law will be enacted. but tuc general secretary paul novak described the new law as dreadful . dreadful. >> this fight really matters. >> this fight really matters. >> these laws have not been designed to resolve conflict at work . they've been designed to work. they've been designed to escalate conflict at work. >> they are unworkable, undemocratic and almost certainly in breach of international law. >> and they are the product of a desperate conservative government spoiling for a fight with unions to distract from their dire economic record . their dire economic record. >> turning our attentions to nonh >> turning our attentions to north africa now, where rescue workers and residents fear for the stability of buildings as earthquake aftershock hit morocco, more than 2000 people have lost their lives after the 6.8 magnitude quake struck remote parts of the atlas

mountains on friday. the moroccan military have cleared roads to allow aid and medical treatment to get through to the thousands of injured people. the country has also declared three days of national mourning . in days of national mourning. in the prime minister says he's confront noted the chinese premier li keqiang, at the g20 summit in new delhi over alleged spying in westminster. the sunday times reporting today that a man in his 30s and a man in his 20s were arrested back in march under the official secrets act. one of the men was a researcher with links to several tory mps and the prime minister says if it's true, it's totally unacceptable. >> the right approach is to engage with people , but to raise engage with people, but to raise the concerns that we have . the concerns that we have. >> that's what our allies do and our strategy is completely augned our strategy is completely aligned with our closest allies, whether that's america , canada, whether that's america, canada, australia, japan , you know, all australia, japan, you know, all these countries engage with china, raise areas of disagreement, as i did today , on

disagreement, as i did today, on a different a range of different topics , but in particular topics, but in particular to register very strong concern register my very strong concern about interference with about any interference with parliamentary democracy, which is obviously unacceptable . is obviously unacceptable. >> defence cuts have left a gap in the uk's ability to fight from the air that will last well into the 2030, according to mps. the commons defence committee says cuts set out in 2021 leave britain dangerously exposed and warn the military's combat air fleet is alarmingly low in number. mps have noted that the ministry of defence will spend more than £55 million on sending pilots overseas for fast jet training because of a lack of aircraft availability here in the uk . now aircraft availability here in the uk. now sir mo aircraft availability here in the uk . now sir mo farah aircraft availability here in the uk. now sir mo farah has completed the final race of his career, sealing fourth place in the great north run. today, the four time olympic champion said it's been an absolutely amazing journey . he was cheered on and journey. he was cheered on and greeted by vast crowds as he crossed the finish line. the sports star announced just

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learned next learned and what comes next on the outside . and today i've got the outside. and today i've got a very special guest. she's here in she's a renowned in the studio. she's a renowned canadian known to canadian born singer known to audiences all over the world. now she released one solo album called the big kiss. now, that was back in 1985. in the 80s, she recorded the theme song for the comedy film gotcha . and the comedy film gotcha. and between the years of 1977 and 1987, she scored an impressive 14 uk hits . and most notably, 14 uk hits. and most notably, she was one half of a pop duo dollar david van day. keep guessing song. all will be revealed in a couple of moments time because she's here in the studio. for the great studio. but for the great british i'm british debate this hour, i'm asking is it time now put asking why is it time now to put the brakes on net zero? households facing energy bills stretched up to thousands of pounds. wind farms that aren't producing energy and producing enough energy and expensive plants to replace everyone's boilers. can we afford it? as always, get in touch. gb views gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. so this is

tweet me at. gb news. so this is my favourite bit of the show because every sunday at five i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp someone who's had an mp or someone who's had an extremely interesting career to take life after the take a look at life after the job. we highs , lows job. we talk highs, lows and lessons comes lessons learnt and what comes next on outside. today , next on the outside. and today, of course, i've got a fabulous guest, born singer. guest, a canadian born singer. audiences all around the world know who is releasing albums know who she is releasing albums like the big kiss back in 1987. in the 80. she recorded the theme song for the comedy film gotcha. these are all the clues between the years of 1977 and 1987. that picture, if you're watching on tv, literally gave it score an impressive 14 it away. score an impressive 14 uk hits. most notably one half of the pop duo dollar. i'm sure you've guessed it. yes i'm joined by the singer theresa bazar . joined by the singer theresa bazar. hello, theresa. thank you very much . very much. >> it's so lovely to be here. so lovely to be here. >> my god, i remember dollar back in the day. that was that was able moment in was an increase able moment in time, it? how old were time, wasn't it? how old were you?i time, wasn't it? how old were

you? i was like, i can't remember. was i ten, 12. no no, no. i was probably older than that. 23. >> who's count? >> who's count? >> i don't know. >> i don't know. >> you don't know? we don't care i >> -- >> that's emma em >> that's the truth. talk to me about your your about your. your life, your career, canadian born . i've career, your canadian born. i've always wanted to canada. always wanted to go to canada. do connection in do you have good connection in canada still family >> i've still got some family there. but i there. i was there. but i was there. i was born very and born there but very little and brought back uk . and i'm brought back to the uk. and i'm a really ? cotswold a cotswold girl really? cotswold country girl. yeah. so country girl. yeah. yeah. so what was like up ? oh, what was it like growing up? oh, i fell in love with ballet at the age of two and a half and that was probably my perfectionist tendencies that were coming out even then. so loved music, classical music. my late dad was a semi—professional jazz guitarist, so late dad was a semi—professional jazz guitarist , so always jazz guitarist, so always listening to music and then i kind of got to about 12, 13, thought pretty good, but not thought i'm pretty good, but not the right body shape. and i thought , well, the right body shape. and i thought, well, i'll and thought, well, i'll sing and dance can't be ballet dance if i can't be a ballet dancer and i went for an audition like you do, you know, you that the stage you paper that the stage newspaper that had all the ads on the back .

on the back. >> god, that doesn't happen anymore. newspaper with an advert. a job advert. yes. people there were newspapers, a lot young people. they're lot of young people. and they're watching now. >> scan it and i'd watching now. >> oh, scan it and i'd watching now. >> oh, and scan it and i'd watching now. >> oh, and girls,t and i'd watching now. >> oh, and girls, whoi i'd watching now. >> oh, and girls, who can go, oh, boys and girls, who can sing and i'll go there sing and dance? i'll go there and i was clued i was so and i was so clued in. i was so contemporary. and it went contemporary. and on it i went with a long black skirt, flat boots and my mum's raincoat because i thought, it's fine, you know , i'm just going to sing you know, i'm just going to sing and dance and it was for pop group. it was for guys dolls i >> -- >> and when you got that as well, why , what was that like? well, why, what was that like? because you had a couple of chart good tracks there in the charts. >> yeah, i was. i was a child. i think i probably felt like i was about 12 or 13. so naive , kind about 12 or 13. so naive, kind of very traditional upbringing and really just wanted to do well. so i was so ready to please. i was just wanted to do the right thing and please everybody , which but i cut my everybody, which but i cut my teeth in guys and dolls learn all about pop music and fell in love with pop music, which was extraordinary. >> how did you so how did your meeting with david van de appen?

because that's how the whole dollar thing, yeah. >> so we were actually in guys and dolls together and i think we together romantically. he we got together romantically. he was and we was my first boyfriend and we were what, were together for, what, seven years? in love. years? oh, it was so in love. was he the love of your life when it? yeah so it was he the love of your life whejust. it? yeah so it was he the love of your life whejust. we it? yeah so it was he the love of your life whejust. we it? young,» it was just. we were so young, and i we were just lonely, you i think we were just lonely, you know, it's quite a lonely life. even were a even though we were like a travelling zoo, basically, the six but, you know, we six of us. but but, you know, we kind of supported each other and managed to navigate our way through kind of we were the cute ones on the end. >> would your >> what would you say your biggest david was biggest hit then with david was so in guys and dolls, it was there's a whole lot of loving. >> both there's a whole lot of loving. >> thrown both there's a whole lot of loving. >> thrown out both there's a whole lot of loving. >> thrown out of both there's a whole lot of loving. >> thrown out of guys both there's a whole lot of loving. >> thrown out of guys and)oth there's a whole lot of loving. >> thrown out of guys and dolls got thrown out of guys and dolls and dollar was i know we were . and dollar was i know we were. to so fine. so fine. okay so you have talent . have talent. >> i asked you earlier. i can't say no . i really that's i sound say no. i really that's i sound like a man when i sing. actually, could little actually, i could do a little bit of tina turner. that was quite when quite good at that. that's when she notes. i just she hits the high notes. i just go i want to you go silent. but i want to ask you

, earlier that your , so you said earlier that your voice was still here and it was great and very present. i mean, can sing something little can you sing something little yeah, it's it's really yeah, it's just it's really weird actually i went weird because actually i went into the studio , so just before into the studio, so just before i came back to the uk because we've got a new record coming out, which is actually a reinvention of a very big hit, but it's done in a very contemporary kind of cruisy dance style. >> but i had to go and lay my vocals down and actually that was one of the scariest things i've years . i was in the i've done in years. i was in the taxi what if i can't taxi going, what if i can't really like that anymore? really sing like that anymore? what i i to what do i what am i going to sound and to the sound like? and i got to the studio. i just sounded the same and i thought, how could that be? my packaging be? when my packaging is changing get but my changing as we get older? but my voice is the same . how weird is that? >> well, that's very lucky because i know you're currently doing a mini tour of the uk , so doing a mini tour of the uk, so it's just as well you've got it going on. i know. >> crazy woman, huh? after about 40 counting? 40 years. but who's counting? yeah >> so you took all that time out. because hear out. you because i didn't hear much you after. after dolly, much of you after. after dolly, you of disappeared. you

you sort of disappeared. you went off the radar. what happenedin went off the radar. what happened in that that . that bit i >> -- >> um.i >> um. i ran away. >> um. i ran away. >> you ran away? >> you ran away? >> i think i was having a breakdown, and i literally didn't know how to cope, so. oh, l'amour was a big hit in the charts , and david and i had got charts, and david and i had got back together as dollar. and. >> were you back romantic ? no. >> were you back romantic? no. >> were you back romantic? no. >> no. and things weren't the same. life moves on, and i think sometimes it's a mistake to go back, but i didn't know what else do. you of go else to do. so you kind of go back place. better the back to a safe place. better the devil of devil you know, and kind of i went back, but wasn't the went back, but it wasn't the same . and kind i didn't same. and i kind of i didn't know should know what to do. and i should have probably gone meditated have probably gone and meditated for a few months and chilled out. of thought, i'm out. but i sort of thought, i'm just disappear. and i just going to disappear. and i did for a couple of decades, decades. >> and in those decades, what were your were you doing, having your family you've family. yeah. and you've got children ? children? >> got two boys who i >> yeah, i've got two boys who i love, we're very, very love, and we're very, very close. um. are you married? close. and um. are you married? are you still. i i'm divorced, but i've got a lovely partner who. interestingly, you're having a chat earlier on my partner, unfortunately, has a

neurological degenerative disease and. and i understand about all that neurology. i've been reading up about it for years has been going on for about seven years. and i'm supporting a charity here called different strokes. i hope you don't mentioning that. different strokes. i hope you don'they mentioning that. different strokes. i hope you don'they support entioning that. different strokes. i hope you don'they support it.:ioning that. different strokes. i hope you don'they support it. survivorsat. and they support it. survivors of stroke, but working and younger people. incredible statistic. a thousand strokes every year in the uk and 1 in 4 are working or younger and it's such a huge impact on their life . the carers lives, the volunteers , you know, everyone volunteers, you know, everyone around you. so so my kind of life is very interesting. it's like in parallels , i'm doing a like in parallels, i'm doing a sparkly pop party tour , but i'm sparkly pop party tour, but i'm still caring. even . at a still caring. even. at a distance for my partner and i have all his 24/7 carers in place and he's actually getting a of pleasure out of what a lot of pleasure out of what i'm curious, isn't i'm doing. it's curious, isn't it? he's actually quite it? he's he's actually quite upbeat going and what happened it? he's he's actually quite upb

>> oh lovely. >> oh lovely. >> sydney. aren't you scared? >> sydney. aren't you scared? >> they're not. lots of bugs that can kill. >> are lots big snakes >> there are lots big snakes with actually the little ones. >> the little ones, little >> the little ones, the little ones. like live ones. but would you like to live in heat all time? i in this heat all the time? oh, i love the heat. yeah, i love the heat. but not all the time. >> i would it , heat. but not all the time. >> i would it, but that >> i would love it, but that would cost, probably would come at a cost, probably with with with bugs that can kill with faces they've got faces, faces because they've got faces, aren't of spiders faces because they've got faces, are|that of spiders faces because they've got faces, are|that big of spiders faces because they've got faces, are|that big that of spiders faces because they've got faces, are|that big that they spiders faces because they've got faces, are|that big that they they'lliers are that big that they they'll actually all actually look at you and go, all right, are you going right, well are you going to move they're move or shall i? they're very scary. one scary. do they? when you see one of huntsman's , those of those those huntsman's, those spiders, never actually spiders, i've never actually seen one up close. have you seen one. oh yeah. and do they actually stick? do actually have a face stick? do they lots of going they have lots of eyes going around? know, you see they have lots of eyes going arotcartoon know, you see they have lots of eyes going arotcartoon onesv, you see they have lots of eyes going arotcartoon ones . you see they have lots of eyes going arotcartoon ones . ella you see they have lots of eyes going arotcartoon ones . ella toone.;ee they have lots of eyes going arotcartoon ones . ella toone. ire the cartoon ones. ella toone. i should look on should just look it up on google. really? >> kill >> but they won't kill you. they're benign. it's the little black and the females. it's black ones and the females. it's the females that are the deadly ones. >> god, there's no surprises there. no no, to beware. so there. no no, it to beware. so you're on tour now. where's your next date? next tour date? >> starting a week on >> so we're starting a week on wednesday at the stables in milton keynes. okay and then we go to leeds city varieties is a really gorgeous, very, very

traditional theatre and we're going to southampton and we're going to southampton and we're going to southampton and we're going to london and to glasgow and burnley and chesterfield and wolverhampton. i mean, we're going all over the place. gloucester and what are you doing? >> you're performing , what kind >> you're performing, what kind of stuff are you doing ? of stuff are you doing? >> so it's a, it's a, it's theresa bazaars dollar with a live band amazing all the stuff i always wanted. >> you're going to sing some of the songs from dollar like mirror, of them mirror, mirror, all of them mirror, mirror, all of them mirror, in your own mirror, mirror. but in your own kind take or will it kind of take of it, or will it be keeping to the form of it? >> got a new fab >> it is. i've got a new fab male >> it is. i've got a new fab ma well , also >> it is. i've got a new fab ma well, also david >> it is. i've got a new fab ma well , also david a&e. it's >> well, also david a&e. it's not going to no . not going to be no. >> bnng not going to be no. >> bring burger van >> he could bring his burger van and it outside he and maybe park it outside if he wanted that what he's wanted to. is that what he's doing days? doing these days? >> touch with him? >> no, he doesn't really communicate he's communicate it very well. he's busy doing other things. >> oh, bless his heart. yeah bless his heart. that's. bless his heart. but that's. that's goes. does. bless his heart. but that's. thawe goes. does. bless his heart. but that's. thawe on. oes. does. >> we move on. >> we move on. >> move on and we move >> we move on and we move forward. first forward. yeah. so your first tour date week. next tour date is next week. next wednesday, next wednesday. and people out not this people can check out not this wednesday. wednesday . wednesday. so next wednesday. and there's website that and there's some website that people

and there's some website that peoyeah, yeah. there all my >> yeah, yeah. there all my socials media socials i do social media now. who thought yeah who who would have thought yeah who would you have otherwise. would you have to otherwise. >> followers >> and it's how many followers have got almost up to 15,000 have you got almost up to 15,000 on facebook from 2000. >> 13,000 on facebook. that's very and all real. very good. and they're all real. >> so got 6000. okay. >> so i've only got 6000. okay. what on what about what about on twitter? got? what about what about on twi i've�* got? what about what about on twi i've got got? what about what about on twi i've got and got? what about what about on twi i've got and a got? what about what about on twi i've got and a half? what about what about on twi i've got and a half on >> i've got two and a half on twitter, i but twitter, but i know, but everyone knows everyone knows it's me because i make mistakes all the time. they go, it's definitely not someone definitely her. it's not someone doing but kind of doing it for her. but i kind of 9°, doing it for her. but i kind of go, trying. want to go, i'm trying. i just want to communicate . communicate. >> the verify so >> you need to do the verify so that it when it that you can edit it when it goes you them goes wrong because you send them out my god, out and you go, on my god, there's out and you go, on my god, the oh, you that? >> oh, how do you do that? >> oh, how do you do that? >> verified >> then you need to get verified . all get verified. . okay, all right. get verified. but anyway, that's the tick. yeah, listen yeah, that's the tick. listen it's talking to it's been such a good talking to you, so much you, theresa. thank you so much for coming to me for coming in to talk to me about i've about what you're doing. i've got to as got to say big hello to anne as well. did. my well. oh, yes, you did. yeah. my singing fox's singing partner, stephen fox's mum . mum. >> and she loves you. she and they had their 56th wedding anniversary yesterday . so happy anniversary yesterday. so happy anniversary yesterday. so happy anniversary . anniversary. >> oh, thank you. >> oh, thank you. >> you're gorgeous. you're you. and i watch you from sydney as

well. i do. i do. i do. theresa bazaan well. i do. i do. i do. theresa bazaar, thank you so much. >> pleasure. lovely to meet you. and you, as of course, to bazaan and you, as of course, to bazaar. she's got a wonderful tour this tour that she's doing in this country. her out. country. please check her out. thank much her thank you so much to her for coming in and joining but on coming in and joining me. but on the the great british the way, the great british debate i'm asking, the way, the great british deitate i'm asking, the way, the great british deit time i'm asking, the way, the great british deit time to i'm asking, the way, the great british deit time to put i'm asking, the way, the great british deit time to put the i'm asking, the way, the great british deit time to put the brakessking, the way, the great british deit time to put the brakes onlg, is it time to put the brakes on net first, let's get net zero? but first, let's get an update with your weather . an update with your weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon . my name is >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so there have been plenty of showers and plenty of heavy showers and thunderstorms arms around plenty of heavy showers and thundertoday; arms around plenty of heavy showers and thundertoday and'ms around plenty of heavy showers and thundertoday and ifs around plenty of heavy showers and thundertoday and if we 'ound plenty of heavy showers and thundertoday and if we look at already today and if we look at this chart here, you can see these mark of these occlusions mark a bit of a focus some of these showers focus for some of these showers as through the rest as we go through the rest of today. at this today. so looking at this afternoon and this evening, a continuation of those thunderstorms where we could see some hail and strong , gusty some hail and strong, gusty winds times and they will winds at times and they will slowly clear away into the north sea, lingering for a time there

across southern scotland before we see a band of cloud and rain make its way south eastwards . make its way south eastwards. but that's all during what's going another warm and going to be another warm and humid starting the new humid night starting the new working week . there will be some working week. there will be some brightness across the east with any mist, fog and low cloud lifting and breaking through. monday morning before we see cloud and outbreaks of rain erratically spreading southeast was there's a chance of some showers and maybe some further heavy showers and thunderstorms developing just ahead of this. and those temperatures starting to come down from what we've seen through the weekend. so highs of 27 in the southeast . highs of 27 in the southeast. now, as we look into tuesday , now, as we look into tuesday, that band of cloud and rain will become a little heavier, but slow moving as well as it moves into england and wales, but becoming cooler and fresher behind with more in the way of brightness. that sets the brightness. and that sets the theme for the rest of the week. feeling and feeling quite changeable and autumnal with those temperatures dropping towards dropping down back towards average , that warm feeling average, that warm feeling

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news britain's new. channel >> good afternoon. it's fast approaching. 5:24 o'clock. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. right now, though, it's time for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is it time to put the brakes on net zero? now a study published in the international journal of industrial organisation has revealed wind farm revealed that wind farm companies exaggerate the amount of energy they expect to produce. plus there's a lot of things going on within those farms with regard to those subsidies as well. and all of this comes as prime minister rishi pledged he rishi sunak has pledged that he won't taking hair shirt won't be taking a hair shirt approach to handling net zero, stating that it must be used in a way that benefits jobs . now, a way that benefits jobs. now, this comes as electric cars are having be powered up via having to be powered up via generators charging point generators as charging point rollout been slowed. so what rollout has been slowed. so what do you think? has net zero run its course? we've even got the situation where they're worried about the grid with regard to gas boilers as well . so for the

gas boilers as well. so for the great british debate, sir, i'm asking, is it time just to put the on the whole thing? the brakes on the whole thing? joining me, suzanne evans, journalist political journalist and political commentator , commentator matthew stadlen, writer and broadcaster . i've got writer and broadcaster. i've got you as a writer, journalist peter peter edwards, former editor of labourlist , and editor of the labourlist, and lois perry, director of car 26. right. well i think i've got to start with somebody quite feisty . i'll go with lois perry. lois, is to put the brakes on is it time to put the brakes on net zero? >> oh, well, completely . >> oh, well, completely. >> oh, well, completely. >> absolutely. and rishi sunak , >> absolutely. and rishi sunak, it was a little bit disingenuous what he actually said with regards to the hair shirt comment , regards to the hair shirt comment, because he also said, i complete leaving net zero and it's aims so and with this legislation that was voted through parliament the other night where you could be criminalised, actually be in prison , you know, for not prison, you know, for not meeting net zero standards with your property , this is going too your property, this is going too far . and i think the public are far. and i think the public are seeing that this is absolute nothing being green nothing to do with being green and everything to do with control and anti—capitalism .

control and anti—capitalism. >> matthew stadlen no, no, that's just conspiracy theory nonsense , i'm afraid, from lois. nonsense, i'm afraid, from lois. >> well , in nonsense, i'm afraid, from lois. >> well, in what nonsense, i'm afraid, from lois. >> well , in what way? >> well, in what way? >> well, in what way? >> it's not because because science is telling us, and it's overwhelming majority that if we don't reach net zero collectively as a world by about 2050, then we're going to exceed the rise of 1.5 degrees. >> and if we do that, you get much more major flooding likely you get much, much hotter weather, you get problems , you weather, you get problems, you get problems with food supply . get problems with food supply. if we don't do something now and by the way, i agree with sue that in a way that we should do it in a way that we should do it in a way that makes economic sense we that makes economic sense and we should look after the most vulnerable we vulnerable in society. but if we don't now , in the don't do something now, in the long our families long run, we and our families will pay a heavier price . will pay a heavier price. >> we'll be a bit odd, though, in we'll with in a flood. what we'll do with all water all our electricity as the water makes with the makes contact with the electricity, the electricity, if that's the way we're going? well, does. we're going? well, it does. i mean, sound it's mean, it doesn't sound like it's the thing to do. susan the right thing to do. susan edward evans i find it quite incredible the height, incredible that it's the height, i egotistical i think, of egotistical megalomania of the politicians think can reduce think they can reduce the earth's temperature by 1.5 degrees can't degrees when they can't even fill potholes in the roads. degrees when they can't even fill iotholes in the roads. degrees when they can't even fill i mean,; in the roads. degrees when they can't even fill i mean, this:he roads. degrees when they can't even fill i mean, this is roads. degrees when they can't even fill i mean, this is insane. let's

>> i mean, this is insane. let's be . if you think the be honest. if you think the current of living crisis is current cost of living crisis is a disaster, you ain't seen nothing yet. net zero ultimately is going to make us all poorer and colder. >> this has not been thought through. the technology is not in be able to in place yet to be able to replace oil and gas boilers. and as lois rightly said, they're having this so hard. having to push this so hard. >> such a fake agenda that >> it's such a fake agenda that they're having to criminalise people who comply . and it people who don't comply. and it is beyond insane . is beyond insane. >> and frankly, any party that wants to win the next election has got to start looking at how this impact ordinary this is going to impact ordinary people. and it is ordinary people. and it is ordinary people , not the elites, the people, not the elites, not the wealthy . they'll still be able people, not the elites, not the we do hy . they'll still be able people, not the elites, not the we do what hey'll still be able people, not the elites, not the wedo whathey'lilikel be able people, not the elites, not the wedo whathey'lilike .be able people, not the elites, not the we do what hey'lilike . like ble to do what they like. like prince yesterday, who prince harry yesterday, who turned up to the opening ceremony games ceremony of the invictus games in helicopter. he in a private helicopter. he preaches net zero. they all preaches net zero. they all preach net zero. >> they don't live by it. >> they don't live by it. >> edwards is >> peter edwards there is a consensus and you wouldn't always get that from listening to debate . to this debate. >> but net policies are >> but net zero policies are popular . >> but net zero policies are popular. ipsos mori did some polling last year, polling in november last year, so we're well the cost of so we're well into the cost of living last november so we're well into the cost of

liyshowed last november so we're well into the cost of liyshowed a last november so we're well into the cost of liyshowed a lot last november so we're well into the cost of liyshowed a lot of st november so we're well into the cost of liyshowed a lot of net ovember so we're well into the cost of liyshowed a lot of net zerorber it showed a lot of net zero policies were popular and they continue to be so even when taking into account the personal financial impact . to give financial impact. to give an example, example levies on example, one example levies on frequent flying. and i think that's quite an uncontroversial one to put on the table because that's quite an uncontroversial othink put on the table because that's quite an uncontroversial othink mostn the table because that's quite an uncontroversial othink most ofhe table because that's quite an uncontroversial othink most of us, able because that's quite an uncontroversial othink most of us, although use i think most of us, although we've different we've got different starting points, we'd all accept flying is environment and is bad for the environment and a lot of us do much of it. so lot of us to do much of it. so i think disagree or think we can we can disagree or agree on the principle, but to just fingers it's just point fingers saying it's elites trying control is not elites trying to control is not really engaging with hold on, it's not really engaging with the points matthew the environmental points matthew made there is made or the fact that there is pubuc made or the fact that there is public support and the two parties general parties that can win the general election, and the tories election, labour and the tories both support it. >> isn't public support. >> there isn't public support. >> there isn't public support. >> has done >> matthew goodwin has done some polling just week. says polling just this week. he says only 16% of the british population support a net zero policy agenda. the politicians have forced this onto people. there has been no scrutiny. nobody can tell us how much it's going to cost . nobody can tell us how much it's going to cost. nana nobody can tell us how much it's going to cost . nana you going to cost. nana you mentioned the decommissioning of the gas grid. we do know that's going to cost because of a leaked from parliament leaked document from parliament that's cost at least

that's going to cost at least £65 billion. that's £2,300 for every household in this country. i repeat this policy has been pushed through without scrutiny i >>i >> i totally agree . can i just >> i totally agree. can i just make the point as well that our recent polling that was done with yougov showed that 62% of those expressed an opinion. yougov polling wanted a net zero referendum and also so that completely contradicts the points about there being public support . and also i just read support. and also i just read a very interesting statistic just two days ago, only nought point two days ago, only nought point two 5% of, of energy used in the united kingdom come from wind farms as you know, 0.2. >> matthew sadler. matthew sadler, this isn't a smooth process . process. >> right. so you're not wrong. i'm someone loves i'm i'm someone who loves i'm someone who loves nature . i'm a someone who loves nature. i'm a bird watcher. i'm a bird. >> well, then you won't like wind farms, will you? >> i'm not a fan of wind farms. >> i'm not a fan of wind farms. >> i'm not a fan of wind farms. >> i they're incredibly ugly. but somewhere >> but somewhere along the line, sacrifice made in sacrifice have to be made in order for us to reach our target. if we don't reach our target. if we don't reach our

target , we can't target. if we don't reach our target, we can't lead target. if we don't reach our target , we can't lead the world. target, we can't lead the world. by target, we can't lead the world. by the way, of say by the way, a lot of people say , well, what's the point? because china aren't doing anything. because china aren't doing anythir up to net zero because china aren't doing anythirup to net zero by because china aren't doing anythir up to net zero by 2060. signed up to net zero by 2060. it's not ideal. signed up to net zero by 2060. it's not ideal . they should be it's not ideal. they should be going quicker. >> should doing. going quicker. >> why should doing. going quicker. >> why shouldtheoning. going quicker. >> why shouldthey be?. going quicker. >> they shouldthey be?. going quicker. >> they are uldthey be?. going quicker. >> they are involved)e?. going quicker. >> they are involved because if we don't back the point. we don't come back to the point. >> i'm saying why >> no, no, no. i'm saying why should going quicker? >> no, no, no. i'm saying why should just going quicker? >> no, no, no. i'm saying why should just go they uicker? >> no, no, no. i'm saying why should just go they were '? that you just said they were going don't quicker >> they don't go quicker then the a species the whole world. we as a species suffer if we don't reach net zero, believe the science zero, if we believe the science . you could be anti—science, you could theorist if could be conspiracy theorist if you want. but if you believe the majority and majority of the science and you're then you're not anti—science, then if we below we don't keep temperatures below 1.5. yeah, yeah, yeah. are in 1.5. yeah, yeah, yeah. we are in big trouble. >> low species, big trouble, big trouble as a species. that's what trouble. trouble as a species. that's wh.yeah, trouble. trouble as a species. that's wh.yeah, absolutely trouble. trouble as a species. that's wh.yeah, absolutely .trouble. trouble as a species. that's wh.yeah, absolutely . d01ble. trouble as a species. that's wh.yeah, absolutely . do you know >> yeah, absolutely. do you know what? there's something that's happened industrial happened since the industrial revolution is that you revolution and that is that you and are not currently and i nana are not currently dead. right. because just before the industrial revolution , the the industrial revolution, the life expectancy was 45. right. okay so. and now it's 40, and now it's 80 because there's been nothing better for humanity than fossil fuels . and it enables us fossil fuels. and it enables us to mitigate any weather changing

events or anything which is all completely natural . completely natural. >> by the way, what happens when they run out? lois >> what will they get? something else haven't run out, else then? they haven't run out, so why leave? >> the point is point is, at >> the point is the point is, at the fuels are the the moment, fossil fuels are the most effective form of energy we've the technology is not most effective form of energy we' there the technology is not most effective form of energy we' there to 'he technology is not most effective form of energy we' there to force chnology is not most effective form of energy we' there to force through' is not most effective form of energy we' there to force through net 1ot yet there to force through net zero. if the technology was there , i would backing there, i would be backing it because i want to protect because too i want to protect the but the fact is the environment. but the fact is it isn't there. it's too fast, too quickly. haven't and too quickly. haven't got the and too quickly. haven't got the and to say that we're going will to say that we're going we will be behind in not leading be falling behind in not leading the making the world. what on making citizens poorer and colder. >> definitely no no no >> we're definitely no no no we're definitely ahead on that one. >> one. >> government is not saying that this government and this is the first major economy, our economy , our government. >> and i think thing to , our government. >> proud think thing to , our government. >> proud ofink thing to , our government. >> proud of in; thing to , our government. >> proud of in; government. be proud of in this government. >> i'm very anti this conservative >> i'm very anti this consewasve >> i'm very anti this consewas the first major >> it was the first major economy into law and net economy to sign into law and net zero pledges. and they have not said that we must give up oil and gas immediately. it's phasing yes, it deserves phasing it out. yes, it deserves scrutiny. that's what happens in a democracy. if follow a democracy. but if we follow the , we have to act.

a democracy. but if we follow the well, , we have to act. a democracy. but if we follow the well, you we have to act. a democracy. but if we follow the well, you say1ave to act. a democracy. but if we follow the well, you say itve to act. a democracy. but if we follow the well, you say it happens in a >> well, you say it happens in a democracy, bill democracy, but this latest bill that they've pushed through is pretty . pretty undemocratic. >> and have we got time to that briefly ? you know, the idea that briefly? you know, the idea that a elected by the a government is elected by the people and fair people in a free and fair general election then they general election and then they win the house of win a vote in the house of commons, say that's commons, and then we say that's undemocratic is a nonsense. i'm labour. undemocratic is a nonsense. i'm labour . no, undemocratic is a nonsense. i'm labour. no, don't support labour. no, no, i don't support i'm that. labour. no, no, i don't support i'm i'm that. labour. no, no, i don't support i'm i'm talking that. labour. no, no, i don't support i'm i'm talking about that. labour. no, no, i don't support i'm i'm talking about thet. >> i'm talking about the contents within that bill. as lois would point out, it's a bill elected government. >> there's of things >> there's lots of things the tories like. no, tories do i don't like. no, no, no, but they did win no, no. but they did win the last election. no, no. but they did win the last ele ministers be no, no. but they did win the last eleministers be able >> but ministers will be able to sort change rules without >> but ministers will be able to sort actualinge rules without >> but ministers will be able to sort actual without rules without >> but ministers will be able to sort actual without going without >> but ministers will be able to sort actual without going through the actual without going through scrutiny, the problem scrutiny, which is the problem with the bill. but then the answer through answer to that is through parliamentary democracy in the ballot through lowest ballot box is not through lowest type control . type arguments about control. >> that's not case. we . do >> that's not the case. we. do have a voice. >> well, listen, listen, i'm going to have the last word to lois, because you said lois type arguments. you've got 10s. lois when you have a situation where all parties are all all of the main parties are all globalist and all have exactly the policies, how exactly the same policies, how exactly are you able to vote them out ? are you able to vote them out? >> you tell me that. >> you tell me that. >> i think have find >> i think you have to find a party with

party that doesn't agree with them. see. okay, so them. so let's see. okay, so what think net what do you think then? net zero, yes or no? what do you think? is it should we need to put brakes it, suzanne? put the brakes on it, suzanne? yes, absolutely. >> yes, absolutely. i >> -- >> vote matthew stadlen yes or no? no no. >> we should put the brakes >> we should not put the brakes on, peter edwards support >> peter edwards i support necessary, importantly necessary, but more importantly , going should we , it is going to stay. should we put no? put the brakes on? yes or no? no. , 100,000,000. no. and lois berry, 100,000,000. >> what ? >> what? >> what? >> yes or no? yes put the brakes on. absolutely. all right . on. absolutely. all right. listen, thank you so much. lois perry, suzanne evans , matthew perry, suzanne evans, matthew stadlen, also peter edwards. really good talk you. really good to talk to you. well, your thoughts? well, what are your thoughts? get views get in touch. gb views gbnews.com should we put the brakes on i'm nana brakes on net zero? i'm nana akua on tv, online on akua live on tv, online and on digital radio. on the on the way. great british debate. way. the great british debate. i'll asking you question i'll be asking you that question . joining me, christine hamilton i'll be asking you that question .joi also me, christine hamilton i'll be asking you that question .joi also danny ristine hamilton i'll be asking you that question .joi also danny kelly. hamilton i'll be asking you that question .joi also danny kelly. butnilton i'll be asking you that question . joi also danny kelly. but first, and also danny kelly. but first, let's get your news with polly middlehurst . now. middlehurst. now. >> thank you. the top stories this hour. daniel khalife has been charged with escaping

custody after four days on the run from the authorities as the escaped terror suspect had strapped himself underneath a food delivery lorry to escape from wandsworth prison on wednesday. the 21 year old was tackled from his bicycle on a canal towpath in west london by a police officer yesterday . a police officer yesterday. he'll appear at westminster magistrates tomorrow. meanwhile, the justice secretary says around 40 inmates have had to be moved out now of wandsworth prison amid an investigation into daniel khalife escape. alex chalk admits the prison is overcrowded but promises the government is doing all it can to provide resources . in other to provide resources. in other news, the tuc is reporting the government to the united nations over a new uk law that requires staff to work during strikes . staff to work during strikes. the tuc's general secretary says the legislation falls far short of international legal standards , but the government says the law protects the lives of the general public and has recently announced a consultation on how it's to be enacted . and the

it's to be enacted. and the prime minister has said he has confronted the chinese premier li keqiang, at the g20 summit in new delhi over alleged spying in westminster . the sunday times westminster. the sunday times reporting a man in his 20s and another in his 30s were arrested back in march under the official secrets act. one of the men was a researcher with links to several tory mps . the prime several tory mps. the prime minister says if it's true , it's minister says if it's true, it's totally unacceptable . and sir mo totally unacceptable. and sir mo farah has completed the final race of his career, sealing fourth place in the great north run. today the four time olympic champion said it's been an amazing journey . champion said it's been an amazing journey. he was champion said it's been an amazing journey . he was cheered amazing journey. he was cheered on and greeted by a vast crowd as he crossed finish line . as he crossed the finish line. more on all those stories by heading to our website gb news dot com . dot com. >> so coming up, legendary news presenter alastair stewart stopped by the studio this morning for an update on his health. i'll be sharing his story with you very shortly. but

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in. thank you for that. i'm askicost the g 20. and about in. thank you for that. i'm askicost the g 20. and dave the cost of the g 20. and dave says, is the cost of the g says, what is the cost of the g 20 the environment ? 20 summit on the environment? all the travel car all the plane travel and car travel. meanwhile, emission zones popping up in the zones are popping up in the western unbelievable western world. it's unbelievable hypocrisy, peter says . call me a hypocrisy, peter says. call me a climate change denier, but isn't it true that some people are going very rich over all going to get very rich over all this others will this hysteria and others will get very the king with his get very poor? the king with his vast land, these wind vast land, with these wind turbines, the engineering companies and their contraptions, the car makers and the rare earth miners to name but a few in case, says our prime minister, is using british taxpayer money to pledge 1.6 billion in so—called climate uplift. india does uplift. whilst india does nothing. this is this unfair use of our money must be publicised and questioned and then andrew says nana the government must start redirecting more money and resources towards national security . this was the security. this was the conversation we were having earlier. this should encompass more in the armed more soldiers in the armed forces counter—terrorism forces, better counter—terrorism intelligence, localised intelligence, more localised policing crucially , huge policing and crucially, huge investment in digital security . investment in digital security. absolutely. you think they would, but they probably won't. but thank you for all your

thoughts. keep them coming. but now for the great now it's time for the great british hour. and now it's time for the great brit asking, hour. and now it's time for the great brit asking, timeyur. and now it's time for the great brit asking, time to and now it's time for the great brit asking, time to putt i'm asking, is it time to put the zero? the the brakes on net zero? the study that was published in the international of international journal of industrial organisation has revealed that wind farm companies exaggerate . great the companies exaggerate. great the amount they expect amount of energy they expect to produce . plus there are lots of produce. plus there are lots of stuff here to say that wind energy isn't actually as cheap as it seems to be because it costs lot of them are costs a lot of them are concealing the truth and i'll tell you, some the stuff that tell you, some of the stuff that i've read here, prime minister rishi sunak has also pledged that he won't be taking a hairshirt to handling hairshirt approach to handling net zero either. and all of this as electric cars are now being powered by generators as charging point rollouts have slowed down, so has net zero run its course. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is it time to put the brakes let's see what my brakes on it? let's see what my panel make of that. christine brakes on it? let's see what my panel ma andf that. christine brakes on it? let's see what my panel ma and danny christine brakes on it? let's see what my panel ma and danny kellyine hamilton and danny kelly join me. start with me. danny kelly, i'll start with you . you. >> remember the >> you know, i remember when the clock was ticking down to a new millennium and the millennium clock was thinking clock and everyone was thinking that all of these aircraft are going the sky, going to fall out of the sky, the millennium

going to fall out of the sky, the whatever millennium going to fall out of the sky, the whatever it millennium going to fall out of the sky, the whatever it was,viillennium going to fall out of the sky, the whatever it was, theznnium bug, whatever it was, the millennium bug, and nothing happened and life carried as happened and life carried on as normal. one no planes normal. no one died, no planes left the sky and crashed down to earth. and think we're going earth. and i think we're going to experience same on the to experience the same on the eve i really do. we're eve of 2050. i really do. we're going to wake up 2050, going to wake up on 2050, january the 1st. >> how will you be in 2050? >> i will be. that's if i'm alive. >> if you're still here, i'll be i will not be. >> and i think they've set this date that if we don't hit it by 2050, then we're all going to die in some sort of raging inferno . interestingly, china inferno. interestingly, china and i don't believe a word that the chinese guy says, why should he just infiltrate he just tried to infiltrate parliament load of parliament and sign a load of mandarins up as spies? he says that i mean, look, but everyone's doing 2060. but he said going to be he's going said he's going to be he's going to by what the hell to hit this by 20. what the hell is he's ten years too is the point? he's ten years too late. dead 2060. late. we'll be dead by 2060. what point ? because he what is the point? because he knows that talks a great knows that he talks a great game. going to do game. he's not going to do anything talks game anything. he talks a good game and to listen to peter saying that overwhelming majority that the overwhelming majority of people are up for this 2050, i disbelieve . i don't believe i disbelieve. i don't believe that for one second. my

that for one second. no, my energy bills are already £300 a month. if don't comply and month. and if i don't comply and hit this target, it's going to be £2,300. if be another £2,300. and if i don't targets, going to don't hit targets, i'm going to be be jail. be in prison. i'll be in jail. i've for ages that i've been saying for ages that there be a referendum. we there should be a referendum. we now know what 2050 looks like. well, i just read this piece. >> sorry. briefly, >> sorry. very briefly, christine, in the telegraph talked that actually cheap talked about that actually cheap , clean, secure energy, which what they said about wind energy isn't actually necessarily the truth because it's very, very expensive. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, not only we we're rushing only should we we're rushing headlong over a cliff, we shouldn't just be putting the brakes should be chucking brakes on. we should be chucking out goodness brakes on. we should be chucking out what goodness brakes on. we should be chucking out what well. goodness brakes on. we should be chucking out what well. this ness knows what as well. this legislation was rushed through in dying dog of theresa legislation was rushed through in government of theresa legislation was rushed through in government . of theresa legislation was rushed through in government . it of theresa legislation was rushed through in government . it hasn'tresa legislation was rushed through in government . it hasn't been may's government. it hasn't been i don't think it's been properly thought out. i with you, thought out. i agree with you, danny. i don't basically agree in government by referendum in a democracy. but i do think on this occasion and apart from anything government anything else, the government would to lay would then be forced to lay before the country, just like they with brexit. although they did with brexit. although let's into the argument let's not get into the argument as put all as to whether they put all the facts , but they would have

facts, but they would have to put forward , all put all the facts forward, all their could their argument, and people could have a rational about have a rational discussion about it is, we're just being it as it is, we're just being dictated to bang, bang, bang. you've got to have it done you've got to have it all done by think by 2050, which i think is absolute lunacy. and i simply don't believe that china will get all organised by 2030. get it all organised by 2030. but i certainly won't seriously , the , bringing up brexit, the remainers wanted a second referendum what they said referendum and what they said was now know what brexit was now you know what brexit is like have on it. like, let's have a vote on it. >> now i can understand like, let's have a vote on it. >> they're can understand like, let's have a vote on it. >> they're comingierstand like, let's have a vote on it. >> they're coming from.1d like, let's have a vote on it. >> they're coming from. it's where they're coming from. it's undemocratic, but now we know what 2050 looks like. net zero because johnson put because when boris johnson put on his manifesto in 2019, everyone going, yeah , everyone was going, yeah, because it's an admirable ambition. want to leave ambition. people want to leave live in better world with with live in a better world with with fewer, fewer carbon dioxide fewer, with fewer carbon dioxide . yes, but hysterical sort of future. so now we know what it's like. i think you know, boris johnson has said if you don't sign up, you're going to be in prison. if you don't hit this target. >> i don't agree with the analogy because we don't analogy because we still don't know analogy because we still don't knothe people who are going to >> the people who are going to suffer the suffer are the people at the bottom heap. and we are bottom of the heap. and we are all, individual

all, you know, individual average, are going average, normal people are going to their bills to be paying through their bills and is an absolute and it is it is an absolute nonsense. i mean, you just nonsense. i mean, as you just said, going end nonsense. i mean, as you just sai in going end nonsense. i mean, as you just sai in prison going end nonsense. i mean, as you just sai in prison don't] end nonsense. i mean, as you just sai in prison don't get end up in prison if you don't get some particular thing done in your your flat . it's crazy. >> well, it turns as well , >> well, it turns out as well, the pipes gas the wiring, the pipes of the gas boilers they've worked out, now they're going have they're going to have to rip them if they don't them. they're going to have to rip thenthat if they don't them. they're going to have to rip thenthat if thecauset them. they're going to have to rip thenthat if thecauset of1em. they're going to have to rip thenthat if thecauset of all. and that could cause lots of all the will collapse, could the roads will collapse, could cause the cause collapsing in the infrastructure. so just infrastructure. so it's just not panning at all. i mean, we panning out at all. i mean, we get with the heavier get idiots with the heavier electric cars because, you know, they're a lot heavier. well, let's see what let's get them on this. there's nothing without you and your views as mark ambar, is ambar, great british voice, is there be on the there opportunity to be on the show what they think show and tell us what they think about the topics that we're discussing? this discussing? i've got three this time. with time. i'm going to start with david there in david bowen. he's there in watford. david, is it time to put the brakes on net zero? >> of course it is. >>— >> of course it is. >> nana mean, everything they've come up with this green policy is total rubbish. electric cars are not green. they cost more to run the wind turbines aren't effective because we don't have

the right wind. solar doesn't work in the uk because guess what? we don't really have much of sunlight . the electric cars of a sunlight. the electric cars cannot , so we're cannot be recycled, so we're being pushed into a pushed into an area chorale to do something that's not a cost effective. in fact, they saw some at the weekend a from a scientist that said if we reduce carbon emissions by 2.2, it it will affect nature . the birds and affect nature. the birds and animals could die out. so they're so headlong to get to zero, we can actually kill off everything on the planet anyway. >> so the zero will actually be zero. humans let's get any worse . yeah. hey, lee webb there, though? yeah. lee webb . though? yeah. lee webb. >> you know what the science is really questionable. >> and yet we're creating loads and loads of panic to believe in one set of science and this happened during the pandemic where the science should have been debated more and not just believe one set science believe one set of the science and how do we know that we're to going reduce temperatures by 1.5

degrees when today i looked at my phone and this morning it was all sun and blue skies and i'm looking out today quite a grey sky. >> and we've already had rain . >> and we've already had rain. and the weather's and the prediction for the weather has changed within about a few hours. so how do we know that what exactly it's going to continue like this ? continue like this? >> well, the next 30, 40 years, we'll leave. >> they even predict the >> they can't even predict the weather. predict weather. so for them to predict the of net would the outcome of net zero would be a bit of a stretch. elizabeth. elizabeth heather, she's there a bit of a stretch. elizabeth. elicheshire. zather, she's there a bit of a stretch. elizabeth. elicheshire. elizabethz's there a bit of a stretch. elizabeth. elicheshire. elizabeth firstere in cheshire. elizabeth first timer, go for it. >> i mean, net zero policy is only serve to illustrate that the government is completely out of touch with the people. it's estimated that net zero would cost the taxpayer 75 billion per year with only 1 in 8 britons supporting such policies. we're already controls being already seeing controls being placed on what calls one can drive and what boilers one can place in the comfort of their own it's that own home. it's clear that the government we have so democratically would democratically elected would rather make its own people

poorer in the interest to gain favorability on an international stage. >> yes . disgraceful. listen, >> yes. disgraceful. listen, thank you so much. really so succinctly done. well, elizabeth, i love it. elizabeth there in cheshire, lea in bedford and david watford. there in cheshire, lea in bedforare1d david watford. there in cheshire, lea in bedforare myiavid watford. there in cheshire, lea in bedforare my great watford. there in cheshire, lea in bedforare my great britishyrd. those are my great british voices. so much. voices. thank you so much. right. listen, earlier today , right. listen, earlier today, legendary broadcaster alastair stewart shared news of his dementia diagnosis. he spoke to camilla exclusive early camilla tominey exclusive early on gb news about why he decided to step back from his role on scene from casualty or emergency. >> ward ten because the results came back and i had indeed had a series of minor strokes that are called infarct marked strokes. yes, not the big one where your face falls down and your arm goes doolally, but it's like pepper shots and that the cumul relative effect of that was that i had a diagnosis of early onset vascular dementia . vascular dementia. >> that's the brilliant alastair stewart, of course, doesn't he? fantastic he's fantastic, isn't

he, christine? >> absolute amazing. i watched that and i did wonder why he suddenly left in i think it was march . i know he's not a spring march. i know he's not a spring chicken any longer, but he was still at the height of his powers , we thought. but yet powers, we thought. but yet clearly he could feel that he wasn't. i mean, he's the sort of person who thought on person who i thought would go on forever until person who i thought would go on forydropped until person who i thought would go on forydropped , until person who i thought would go on forydropped , as until person who i thought would go on forydropped , as it until person who i thought would go on forydropped , as it were. until person who i thought would go on forydropped , as it were. butl person who i thought would go on forydropped , as it were. but it's he dropped, as it were. but it's desperately sad , desperately desperately sad, desperately sad, friendly to me sad, remarkably friendly to me as well. >> he doesn't he doesn't know who interviewed me who i am. he interviewed me down the one day, and the line about cars one day, and when came in i saw him and he when i came in i saw him and he came a beeline for came over and made a beeline for me remarkable me and said, hello. remarkable i mean, the guy's titan of mean, the guy's a titan of broadcasting . broadcasting. >> well, brilliant. alastair stewart, of course, was stewart, of course, he was here this now , if you this morning. right now, if you just welcome board. just tuned in, welcome on board. joining and joining me, author and broadcaster christine hamilton broadcaster christine hamilton broadcast and journalist danny kelly. 49 minutes after 5:00. and time for supplement and now time for supplement sunday where my panel and i discuss some of news stories discuss some of the news stories that our eyes. danny what that caught our eyes. danny what caught all caught your eyes? it's all drivers isn't it? well, i find drivers, isn't it? well, i find this enraging drivers should be fined for going just one mile an hour over the speed limit.

>> peers will >> a group of mps and peers will demand. and guess who they are? they're parliamentary demand. and guess who they are? they're cyclingarliamentary demand. and guess who they are? they're cycling and �*nentary demand. and guess who they are? they're cycling and walking . group for cycling and walking. so if you were to go with 31 and a 30 or 71 in a so if you were to go with 31 and a300r71ina70 so if you were to go with 31 and a 30 or 71 in a 70 and by the way, i've driven 96 miles to get here and i was . here and i was. >> you always get that in, don't you? well, it's gb news. >> i want people to know that i'm other of i'm representing other areas of the country. down the the country. come down from the midlands and i was going faster than hour. vast than 70 miles an hour. the vast majority of people were going faster miles an hour. majority of people were going fastethey miles an hour. majority of people were going fastethey want miles an hour. majority of people were going fastethey want youes an hour. majority of people were going fastethey want youes ('basically majority of people were going fasstrippedant youes ('basically majority of people were going fasstripped of youes ('basically majority of people were going fas stripped of yours ('basically majority of people were going fas stripped of yours ('basicelfy be stripped of your licence. if you four times, you do 71 you offend four times, you do 71 on a 74 occasions. want you on a 74 occasions. they want you to lose your licence and go on a mandatory course. you've got to learn drive again. learn how to drive again. >> much, isn't it? >> it's a bit much, isn't it? actually to be focusing constantly speedometer , constantly on the speedometer, i've gone over think is i've gone one over i think is actually distracting, actually quite distracting, isn't sanctimonious , holier >> the sanctimonious, holier than thou nature of these people, cyclists and pedestrians , the cyclists and pedestrians and particular in in london and in particular in in london and in particular in in london and other big cities . and other big cities. >> christine hamilton you're suffering. >> well, i just want to take this pay little this opportunity to pay a little tribute to yarwood, has tribute to mike yarwood, who has

died. , i grew up with tribute to mike yarwood, who has died. yarwood i grew up with tribute to mike yarwood, who has died. yarwood and ew up with tribute to mike yarwood, who has died. yarwood and he up with tribute to mike yarwood, who has died. yarwood and he became a mike yarwood and he became a household name the 60s and household name in the 60s and 70s. so people might not 70s. so younger people might not remember him. made harold remember him. he made harold wilson , the then minister, wilson, the then prime minister, human. he really did. he was brilliant. he needed no props, human. he really did. he was bri nothing.e needed no props, human. he really did. he was bri nothing.e newouldio props, human. he really did. he was bri nothing.e newould justops, human. he really did. he was bri nothing.e newould just turn no nothing. he would just turn away, his face, maybe put away, twist his face, maybe put away, twist his face, maybe put a hat or something on and come back. and there he was. was back. and there he was. he was never his humour was never cruel. his humour was never cruel. his humour was never unkind. he was never cruel. and he was. i think he was the original and frankly, the best. it was brilliant. mike yarwood and i think it's very sad gone how old was sad that he's gone how old was he? 82. oh sad that he's gone how old was he? 82. on only 82. i mean, it is no, it is no. no age at all. no. no. and he could mimic almost anybody. well as i say, he made them brian clough. he was brilliant at doing brian clough in 82. >> i think it's quite old, though. >> it is, but it's not very 96, though, can't you? >> and 96 year old. well, i shall be 82 in the not too distant future. >> so i regard that course >> so i regard that to of course i'm won't be that long. >> she looks it. >> she looks it. >> i don't. she does. >>— >> i don't. she does. >> oh, oh. i'll get him back.

>> oh, oh. i'll get him back. >> come on, it's your turn. get back. >> christine are great >> christine and i are great friends and off. >> christine and i are great friewe and off. >> christine and i are great friewe are. and off. >> we are. >> we are. >> but i don't think 82 is an old age . i don't think. old age. i don't think. >> don't think it's to >> i don't think it's young to die yeah. well, unless you're very. >> anyway, the late great mike yarwood. >> fantastic man. well, listen, i've got a supplement here. the prince and princess of wales. now this is. this is a william and kate. they've opened up about their competitive reputation they have with each other. speaking on mike tindall's podcast , the good, the tindall's podcast, the good, the bad the rugby . now, they bad and the rugby. now, they even compared themselves to monica from friends. are you competitive ? are you and your competitive? are you and your husband , christine not really , no. >> what is there to be competitive? they wear it. we're in it together. i mean, you know , they compete against each other sports and all sorts of other in sports and all sorts of things. oh, no. we've a things. oh, no. we've been a team we met when we were 18 team for we met when we were 18 for did you ? so apart for goodness. did you? so apart from a little interregnum, we've been so no, been a team for so long. no, we're competitive against we're not competitive against each at no each other. not at all. no >> do you think it's healthy to have relationship have competition in relationship like if you're if >> well, yes. if you're if you're into sport. well, neither >> well, yes. if you're if you'reare 0 sport. well, neither

>> well, yes. if you're if you'reare massivelyell, neither >> well, yes. if you're if you'reare massively into 1either >> well, yes. if you're if you'reare massively into sport. of us are massively into sport. and when i was doing sport, he was i was school . was at school. i was at school. we separate. didn't we were separate. so we didn't compete . i know. no compete. so. i don't know. no we're just very complimentary. no element of competition at all. >> what was the competition then? that's wrong in the podcast? i didn't . oh, on it, yeah. >> so this is basically talking about stuff that they compete against each other in various sports, sporting things. so it's royal engagements, stuff they've done years . they've done over the years. they've got, quite competitive . got, they're quite competitive. >> well, i run business my >> well, i run a business my wife is the co director. yeah we are with each other all the time, all day. and all we do is cry with laughter most of the time . so we're not competitive. cry with laughter most of the time .justne're not competitive. cry with laughter most of the time .just friendsyt competitive. cry with laughter most of the time .just friends . competitive. we're just friends. >> that absolute bottom >> that is the absolute bottom line secret of a happy marriage. laughter. laughter and sense line secret of a happy marriage. la humour.aughter and sense line secret of a happy marriage. la humour and1ter and sense line secret of a happy marriage. la humour and sharing sense line secret of a happy marriage. la humour and sharing that nse line secret of a happy marriage. la humour and sharing that .se of humour and sharing that. yeah, you've got to see the funny side of everything. >> laughter crying. funny side of everything. >> ohighter crying. funny side of everything. >> oh , hter crying. funny side of everything. >> oh , oh, crying. funny side of everything. >> oh , oh, well crying. funny side of everything. >> oh , oh, well, crying. funny side of everything. >> oh , oh, well , there]. funny side of everything. >> oh , oh, well , there you go. >> oh, oh, well, there you go. >> oh, oh, well, there you go. >> that's the secret to a happy , relationship. laughter >> that's the secret to a happy , happinessnship. laughter >> that's the secret to a happy , happiness .ship. laughter >> that's the secret to a happy , happiness . well,_aughter >> that's the secret to a happy , happiness . well, i'vehter >> that's the secret to a happy , happiness . well, i've got to and happiness. well, i've got to say, been fun this say, it has been fun this afternoon. huge thank you to you for your company. now, on today's show , i've been asking,

today's show, i've been asking, do you trust the government with our national security? and according to our twitter poll, 13% of you say yes 87% of you say no. wow. wow well, a huge thank you to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kenny. thank you very much, danny. a huge thank you to danny. and a huge thank you to you, the fabulous christine hamilton, you, the fabulous christine hamil'you very much. always thank you very much. always a pleasure to you, nana. pleasure to be with you, nana. thank much . and and pleasure to be with you, nana. thaviewers, much . and and pleasure to be with you, nana. thaviewers, course. and and the viewers, of course. and a huge to our viewers at huge thank you to our viewers at home show, home who without the show, this would so would be nothing. thank you so much company . would be nothing. thank you so much company. i'll see much for your company. i'll see you next week. 3:00 at here on saturday at gb news. i'll leave you with the weather . you with the weather. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good evening . my name is >> good evening. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to our latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so there's been plenty of heavy showers and thunderstorms throughout thunderstorms around throughout today and they continue today and they will continue

dunng . today and they will continue during . and this is during tonight. and this is because low pressure is starting to dominate uk weather to dominate the uk weather clearing away that high pressure we saw during week . so into we saw during last week. so into this evening. then showers and thunderstorms will continue for a while, but generally starting to clear out into the north sea , though, lingering for a little longer across southern scotland, clear in the east, but clear spells in the east, but some mist, fog and low cloud developing, and that's all dunng developing, and that's all during another warm and fairly humid night there will be some brightness to start monday, but any mist, fog and low cloud will lift and break up before we see this area of cloud and outbreaks of rain spreading south eastwards. maybe some heavy showers and thunderstorms for england and wales just ahead of that. but there will be some sunny spells, too. and feeling pleasant in the sunshine still, even though we're not getting into the it's still the mid into the 30s, it's still the mid to high for the highs on to high 20s for the highs on monday as we go into tuesday, that band of cloud and rain continues to make its way south eastwards, becoming a little heavier and slow moving as it

comes across england and wales, but to see those winds but starting to see those winds come across parts come from the north across parts of scotland, northern england and northern ireland. so starting to cooler , but starting to feel cooler, but generally remaining changeable throughout the week. but most noticeably , those temperatures noticeably, those temperatures dropping . the dropping down to average. the temperatures rising , boxt solar temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on

he was tackled from his bicycle while on a canal towpath in west london by a police officer yesterday, and he is due to appear at westminster magistrates court tomorrow . magistrates court tomorrow. well, the justice secretary says around 40 inmates have now had to be moved out of wandsworth pnson to be moved out of wandsworth prison amid an investigation into daniel khalife escape. alex chalk saying the prison is overcrowded, but he said the government is doing all it to can provide resources . and in can provide resources. and in other news today, the tuc is

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