we get to the elsewhere just as we get to the bottom of what happened. now, thatis bottom of what happened. now, that is a sensible interim precautionary step and i just also want to make the point about about wandsworth. you know, there have been issues with crowding, which i accept, which goes back not just which goes back for not just five or years, but five years or 25, 30 years, but the difference is we are doing something about it. so very, very investment very significant investment going . three well, going into prisons. three well, two already built, one currently under construction and these are big, big jails. >> well, in other news today , >> well, in other news today, the trades union congress says it's going to report the government to the united nations over a new uk law which requires staff to work during strikes . staff to work during strikes. the tuc's general secretary says the legislation falls far short of international legal standards . the government, though, for its part , says the law does its part, says the law does protect the lives of the public, such as in the case of doctors strikes and it recently announced a consultation on how the law will be applied . side the law will be applied. side turning our attention to north

africa now, where rescue workers and residents fear for the stability of buildings as earthquake aftershock shocks hit the country of morocco , more the country of morocco, more than 2100 people have already lost their lives after the 6.8 magnitude quake struck remote parts of the atlas mountains on friday. the moroccan military have cleared roads to allow aid and medical treatment to get through to the injured people who are still there. the country has declared three days of national mourning and the prime minister says he has confronted the chinese premier, li keqiang , at the g20 summit in new delhi over spying allegations in westminster. the sunday times reporting a man in his 20s and a man in his 30s were arrested back in march under the official secrets act. one of the men was a researcher with links to tory mps . and finally , sir mo farah mps. and finally, sir mo farah has completed the final race of his career , sealing fourth place his career, sealing fourth place in the great north run , the four

in the great north run, the four time olympic champion said it had been an amazing journey. he was cheered on and greeted by vast crowds as he crossed the finishing line, making the letter m with his hands above his head as his trademark gesture to the crowds. the sports star announcing earlier this year the time had finally come for him to move on from running . congratulations to mo running. congratulations to mo farah. you're with gb news across the or across the uk, rather on your tv , in your car, rather on your tv, in your car, on your digital radio, and now on your digital radio, and now on your digital radio, and now on your smart speaker by saying play gb news this is britain's news . channel news. channel >> james bond gets a progressive makeover for elon musk wants to sue the anti—defamation league and harvard is rated the worst university in america for free speech. this is free speech nafion speech. this is free speech nation . welcome to free speech

nation. welcome to free speech nafion nation. welcome to free speech nation with me andrew doyle this is the show where we take a look at culture current affairs and politics coming up on the show tonight. we'll hear from the writer and editor who has won an apology and damages from a company who dropped her after she queried the idea that someone with stubble can be a woman . and after elon musk woman. and after elon musk threatened to sue the anti—defamation league , accusing anti—defamation league, accusing it of labelling him and his social media platform as anti—semitic tick, a prominent member of the jewish community will be here to discuss these claims. and of course, myself and my fantastic panel will be answering questions from our wonderful studio audience. i'd like introduce my comedian like to introduce my comedian panellist tonight. i have cressida wetton bruce cressida wetton and bruce devlin, who . hello good meet devlin, who. hello good meet bruce . bruce. >> yes. >> yes. >> how was yours? well it was mediocre. >> really? what what have you been? well, i say mediocre. i was in italy for a couple of days and i. >> are you ever at home? >> are you ever at home? >> i'm never at home. i'm a globe trotter. but then one day,

iopened globe trotter. but then one day, i opened the front door. there was a viper there, you know, metre long italy. not here in italy? not wow italy? yeah, not here. wow >> oh, i thought you meant some kind of or something. no, no, no, actual viper. not no, no. an actual viper. not just man. just a nasty gay man. >> wasn't a nasty gay >> no, it wasn't a nasty gay man. it was a nasty snake. >> and i didn't know that a metre long. i could use that in the future. notes. the future. no take notes. >> anyway, of me and my. >> anyway, enough of me and my. >> anyway, enough of me and my. >> my problems. we're going to start some questions. we've start with some questions. we've got question tonight from got a question tonight from meta. got a question tonight from me'hi . it's odd to rejoin boyns >> hi. it's odd to rejoin boyns apollo to graham linehan. a little too late. yeah. >> john boyne , who's the >> john boyne, who's the novelist, you will know from the boy in the striped pyjamas and various other novels. in fact, he's written 20 books. he's now written an apology to graham linehan online. this is a linehan online. now, this is a very interesting development linehan online. now, this is a very interestirboynezlopment linehan online. now, this is a very interestirboyne back ent linehan online. now, this is a very interestirboyne back int linehan online. now, this is a very interestirboyne back in 2019, because john boyne back in 2019, i think it was, wrote an article effectively attacking graham linehan for his stance on gender identity, ideology and the issues that it raises for gay people and for women . and now people and for women. and now john boyne has apologised and said, look, no excuses , no said, look, no excuses, no

evasions, you were right. i was wrong. and i think this is kind of an interesting development here because gremlin been here because gremlin has been completely by the completely isolated by the comedy community. everyone's turned turns was turned on him. turns out he was right about everything. and so it's going to be very interesting to see how many people are going to be brave enough. i mean, john boyne has been courageous. been really courageous. >> mean, it's >> absolutely. i mean, it's great. really uplifting. great. it's really uplifting. maybe floodgates maybe it will be the floodgates open now lots of people can open and now lots of people can all a bit more relaxed and all be a bit more relaxed and actually a discussion actually have a discussion rather than, well, the is rather than, well, the slogan is no debate. >> isn't it a discussion? rather than good, than shouting would be good, wouldn't would wouldn't it? possibly. it would be but apologising be interesting. but apologising isn't bruce? isn't easy, is it, bruce? >> i find difficult >> i find it very difficult because i'm rarely wrong. so yeah, more to do yeah, that's that's more to do with imperfections. with you and your imperfections. well yeah. and my high status persona . but yeah. so i'll persona. but yeah. so i'll apologise if necessary. like, sorry, you know , blacked out sorry, you know, blacked out again. yeah >> you've done all sorts of things. >> tequila was on offer in tesco's , other supermarkets are tesco's, other supermarkets are available, but it's good that john boyne can do this and you know it's so few in the industry

have and will i think. >> and you know graham lennon's lost his, you know, career. he can't in the industry that can't work in the industry that he loves. he, know, he's had he loves. he, you know, he's had all sorts of abuse and harassment absolutely. harassment. absolutely. >> i mean, >> yeah. so, i mean, the question too late? question was, is it too late? no, don't it too no, i don't think it is too late, but it is still quite late, but it is still quite late, isn't it? it's been while. >> yes. okay. well, look, we've got another question now from nawshaba nawshaba. hello >> elan musk have >> hello. does elan musk have a right to be upset over the downfall of x revenue ? downfall of x revenue? >> ah, well, that's so elon musk has claims he's lost. i think he's saying 22 billion. 22 billion because the anti—defamation league has implied or insinuated that he is not. he necessarily , but that not. he necessarily, but that the platform is anti—semitic or that the platform x, which used to be twitter , is enabling to be twitter, is enabling anti—semitic speech , which, um, anti—semitic speech, which, um, it's a tricky one this now i'm actually speaking to someone later on about this. i'm going to have a full discussion about it. but bruce, do you have any thoughts about this in particular? thoughts about this in parwell,'? think even before thoughts about this in parwell,'?think even before any >> well, i think even before any of i he's ruined

of that, i think he's ruined twitter. you think so? yeah, no, i do. why is it called x? i really do. why is it called x? no, it's not called. i just don't understand why you spent all something. all that money on something. clearly, vanity project and clearly, as a vanity project and kind did his to run it kind of did his best to run it into ground. into the ground. >> twitter never made >> well, twitter never made money, course. that's the money, of course. that's the thing about it. and he's trying to find a way for to make to find a way for it to make this rebranding as is one this rebranding as x is one thing think a lot of thing that i think a lot of people have had difficulty with. it's confusing. people have had difficulty with. it's i confusing. people have had difficulty with. it's i c01evenlg. people have had difficulty with. it'si c01evenlg. into the >> i didn't even get into the madonna madame x period, so it's of no interest to me. >> lot of people >> seriously, a lot of people still twitter, be still call it twitter, let's be honest. but what about this honest. but but what about this issue of like the anti—defamation league making these and thinks these claims and he thinks that ad by ad revenue has dropped by billions sues them for billions if he sues them for billions, going to be billions, that's going to be a it's fascinating, isn't it? >> so he says he's still doing alright they alright in asia because they don't care. apparently don't care. they're apparently they're so upset about they're not so upset about anti—semitic anti—semitism. they're not so upset about anti—sebutic anti—semitism. they're not so upset about anti—sebutic haven'temitism. they're not so upset about anti—sebutic haven't seen m. they're not so upset about anti—sebutic haven't seen a. they're not so upset about anti—sebutic haven't seen a rise >> but but i haven't seen a rise in hate speech or whatever we want to call it. >> it twitter when they >> isn't it twitter when they say you're anti—semitic, it really they're really i think what they're saying you're not policing saying is you're not policing twitter way like. twitter the way we would like. yes. well that's. is it free speech or isn't it? you know?

>> yes. well, i'm going to be talking to someone this talking to someone about this later the later because one of the accounts that the adl has said should banned actually an should be banned is actually an account tiktok, account called libs of tiktok, which an orthodox which is run by an orthodox jewish woman. is jewish woman. so it is confusing. i was just about to say did actually make say twitter did actually make money when elon bought it because for a huge because he bought it for a huge amount because he bought it for a huge am�*het because he bought it for a huge am�*he did. he that's true. >> he did. he that's true. >> he did. he that's true. >> yeah. they made a fortune. >> yeah. they made a fortune. >> then. >> then. >> absolutely billions. but, you know, afford it's like know, he can afford it's like pocket change him. pocket change to him. >> have been in a >> well, have you been in a tesla. no >> so should i. >> so should i. >> yeah, it's good. it's good. >> yeah, it's good. it's good. >> yeah. all right. well, well done for the tesla. our next question from jerry. where's question is from jerry. where's jerry? hi, jerry. >> it's jimmy saville. too grim for well. >> oh, well. >> oh, well. >> well, mean, so basically, >> well, i mean, so basically, the bbc are making this new jimmy saville documentary, not documentary. a drama. documentary. it's like a drama. a steve coogan is a drama. steve coogan is playing, which i don't playing, which i just don't understand put understand why you'd want to put yourself part. yourself up for that part. >> no. >> oh, no. »- >> oh, no. >> people play jack the >> but people play jack the ripper and you know. yeah. >> is, i read an >> strange thing is, i read an article that said they're using some victims of savile. some of the victims of savile. are performing in this. yeah. which thought i'd

which is just. i thought i'd misread that bizarre? misread it. isn't that bizarre? it bizarre. you could it is bizarre. i mean, you could say they're telling their story. >> i mean. well, it's interesting what's interesting because what's happened is the bbc executives have actually, have come in and said, actually, we you to we're talking we want you to we're talking about the filmmakers here. they're saying they want they want script they're saying they want they wan'reshoot script they're saying they want they wan'reshoot things script they're saying they want they wan'reshoot things so script they're saying they want they wan'reshoot things so that cript they're saying they want they wan'reshoot things so that thet and reshoot things so that the emphasis is more on the victims than but other than savile. but on the other hand, just tell hand, shouldn't they just tell the want to tell? the story they want to tell? shouldn't they have artistic licence? i mean, don't licence? i mean, i don't necessarily can have necessarily know if you can have artistic facts artistic licence based on facts . oh, people do it all the time. is it is it is it because the story is too fresh in people's minds? too sensitive. it minds? it's too sensitive. it only happened recently. so you know, will have know, and also the bbc will have heightened sensitivity because so who for the so many people who work for the bbc subsequently that they bbc subsequently said that they knew . so this is knew about savile. so this is kind bit of a bit of an kind of a bit of a bit of an issue for them to be making this. >> esther rantzen am i right in thinking that she said that she was everything that was was aware of everything that was going on? >> something along the >> she said something along the lines was that childline lines of was that how childline came about it? i know came about it? i don't know about came about it? i don't know abo neither do i. so don't scream >> neither do i. so don't scream at me at anything like that. but. >> but there was a kind of open

secret. yes >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so. so, so in that sense, the bbc, i mean, it's kind of brave maybe for them to this maybe for them to make this particular maybe for them to make this particulcould look at it either >> you could look at it either way, couldn't you? i mean, welcome to 2023. it feels like something from the cartoon monkey it's real monkey dust, but now it's real life. the bbc are making a survival drama. of they survival drama. of course they are. yeah. be interested to are. yeah. i'll be interested to know whether it tanks. suspect are. yeah. i'll be interested to krwon't. ether it tanks. suspect are. yeah. i'll be interested to krwon't.etimagine1ks. suspect are. yeah. i'll be interested to krwon't.etimagine it'll suspect are. yeah. i'll be interested to krwon't.etimagine it'll dorspect it won't. i imagine it'll do very well. >> well, it will be interesting to see. okay, we'll move on. we've got another question from john. hi, john. hi >> all history museums >> should all history museums return artefact s back to their country origin ? country of origin? >> had this debate >> well, we've had this debate quite >> well, we've had this debate quhe on >> well, we've had this debate quite on the on the quite a lot on the on the channel because have channel because there have always museums always been various museums saying to return saying that they want to return items that maybe were plundered dunng items that maybe were plundered during the colonial era. we've had a debate on the show about the elgin marbles , of course, the elgin marbles, of course, which are currently in the british museum. but the acropolis athens would acropolis museum in athens would rather like them back . now this acropolis museum in athens would ra'manchesterm back . now this acropolis museum in athens would ra'manchester museum now this acropolis museum in athens would ra'manchester museum .iow this acropolis museum in athens would ra'manchester museum . thishis acropolis museum in athens would ra'manchester museum . this week is manchester museum. this week they've returned its largest ever number of objects to australia, and they had a ceremony with australian

indigenous people and it was all, you know , it all seemed all, you know, it all seemed very uplifting. but the question is should museums send this stuff back or should they be holding on to it because then they are kind of custodians of knowledge. >> there's lots yeah. i mean, can they be trusted with the elgin marbles after they've had all these thefts from the british museum recently? i appreciate it's a different museum, yeah, of the museum, but yeah, one of the questions is, you know, are questions is, you know, how are they look after it? they going to look after it? which a separate question which is a separate question from should given back to from should it be given back to the people? yes. was the other people? yes. what was really interesting about this was apparently they gave back loads of artefacts and the people australia what people in australia knew what they museum people in australia knew what they didn't museum people in australia knew what they didn't know museum people in australia knew what they didn't know what useum people in australia knew what they didn't know what they'd people didn't know what they'd got. interesting. got. now that was interesting. >> was one shell oh no, >> so there was one shell oh no, it was a shell shaped thing and they didn't know what it was. and they couldn't work it out. and they couldn't work it out. and then the indigenous and they couldn't work it out. and thewho the indigenous and they couldn't work it out. and thewho camehe indigenous and they couldn't work it out. and thewho came overdigenous and they couldn't work it out. and thewho came overdig

and when it comes to these kind of artefacts and if things are stolen, is of course an stolen, there is of course an argument be argument that they should be returned. and if it was returned. and even if it was hundreds years later on the hundreds of years later on the other if you take the other hand, if you take the elgin for instance, had elgin marbles, for instance, had they on the they been left in greece on the parthenon, firstly, it parthenon, well, firstly, it wasn't illegaltransaction. wasn't an illegal transaction. he legally. had he took them legally. he had a deal ottoman empire at deal with the ottoman empire at the time who owned it. but if they hadn't taken they they hadn't taken them, they would eroded and would have been eroded and damaged way that some damaged in the way that some of the parthenon were the parthenon marbles that were left been. so, yeah, left have been. so, yeah, i think it's actually more complicated than know. the complicated than we know. so the elgin from elgin? complicated than we know. so the elg elgin from elgin? complicated than we know. so the elg elgin no, from elgin? complicated than we know. so the elg elgin no, no, from elgin? complicated than we know. so the elg elgin no, no, no. from elgin? complicated than we know. so the elg elgin no, no, no. that'slgin? >> elgin no, no, no. that's genuinely what i i'd not heard of no, no, no, no, no. of them. no, no, no, no, no. >> lord elgin took the marbles. he went, well, an aristocrat from the 19th century. no, no , from the 19th century. no, no, no, no. well, anyway, went over there literally with sort of hammer and chisels and lots of burly men took it all down. i'm interested now you're interested. and and. but they had permission . but, of course, had permission. but, of course, this been interpreted this has been interpreted subsequently plunder subsequently as plunder effectively. you get the effectively. and you get the same thing here with the manchester museum. they're saying although saying that this stuff, although this they think it's

this is much they think it's from the 1960s, stuff was from the 1960s, this stuff was taken. right? i don't taken. is that right? i don't know. doesn't back as it's know. it doesn't go back as it's like of destiny. like the stone of destiny. >> i know that is. >> i don't know where that is. well stone of destiny isn't well the stone of destiny isn't that currently in westminster abbey? i don't know. >> you >> well, you're scottish. you should the stone destiny. >> i had trip back. >> i had a trip back. >> i had a trip back. >> are you not part scottish? no, not even. >> not even remotely. >> not even remotely. >> oh, no. you have irish? irish yes. >> yes. so? so the stone. did it get sent back? the stone of destiny or it get shipped destiny or does it get shipped up there? >> i think nicholas, maybe just looking it for wee looking after it for a wee while, right? >> the camper van. >> yeah, it's in the camper van. >> yeah, it's in the camper van. >> destiny. wasn't >> stone of destiny. wasn't that. was blown up by the that. it was blown up by the suffragettes? they set a bomb suffragettes? or they set a bomb off to back in the day. off next to it back in the day. did you know that? i don't know. i don't know why they went after a seems a bit mean. a rock. it seems a bit mean. >> i think it might be what it represents. oh, really? >> cut some kind of >> okay. not cut some kind of geological protest. >> i don't know. not >> who knows? i don't know. not a strict feminist no. a strict feminist myself. no. >> okay. thanks for that. okay. well, we're going to well, anyway, we're going to have now free have a quick break now on free speech but the speech nation. but after the break, we're going be meeting break, we're going to be meeting the and editor who has

the writer and editor who has received apology received an apology and substantial damages substantial financial damages after being dropped by literary consultancy do

news radio . one mark dolan news radio. one mark dolan tonight. i'll be joined by sophie ottaway , who was born a sophie ottaway, who was born a boy before surgeons removed her reproductive organs and made her a girl . all of this was kept a girl. all of this was kept from for her years, she tells her. incredible story tonight from . from. nine >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. later in the show, i'll be turning agony uncle with the help panel, cressida help of my panel, cressida wetton bruce devlin. and wetton and bruce devlin. and we're going to you deal we're going to help you deal with your unfiltered dilemmas. so please do email us at gbviews@gbnews.com. and we will do our best to answer all of your problems. as sybil, ruth is a writer and editor who until last year was working for a literary consultancy as one of its core editors . but the work

its core editors. but the work started to dry up after a member of staff took objection to some comments that sybil had made on twitter. she took the company to court and has now received an apology a substantial apology and a substantial settlement. and please welcome sybil ruth. so sybil, you've been on the show before. welcome back. been on the show before. welcome back . and of course, the last back. and of course, the last time you were on, it was all up in the air. we didn't know where this was going to go. but for the people who are watching at home who didn't see that previous interview, could you explain what is it you've done on so upset that on twitter that is so upset that members nothing members of staff. well, nothing terrible, what was so terrible, which was what was so odd about it. >> i am what is called a gender critical feminist, which means that human beings come that i believe human beings come in two varieties, male and female , that you can't actually female, that you can't actually switch from one category to the other. much though you would like and that also it's like to. and that also it's problem attic. when there was a decision to consult about reforming the gender recognition act because if it's very easy for people to change sex they

may be unhappy in the sort of sex they are. but to change and to then be able to inhabit women's spaces , take places in women's spaces, take places in women's spaces, take places in women's sport, go into female prisons . these women's sport, go into female prisons. these things all women's sport, go into female prisons . these things all strike prisons. these things all strike me as potential actually causing harm to women . harm to women. >> and we've talked a lot about these sorts of issues on the show. the issues, the necessity for single—sex spaces when it comes to preserving women's rights . so you've made comes to preserving women's rights. so you've made this comment about a trans individual with with facial hair. >> yeah, i had no idea who this person was, but somebody who i'm friends with on twitter had posted a photograph . and i think posted a photograph. and i think what was quite striking is that they'd got very, very , you know, they'd got very, very, you know, heavy facial hair. yes. but in other ways, had transformed themselves or to try and aim for a much more feminine appearance . yes. so in terms of clothing and hairstyle, pink jacket, lipstick, waved hair and a

handbag with a gold chain. yes and it was, i think what i objected to was the idea that being a woman is just a costume . you can put on these props and then automatically that you can use that to say, i'm now identifying as you know, i'm inhabiting my female identity today. inhabiting my female identity today . they welcome me into your today. they welcome me into your spaces. accept me as a woman. and not everybody wants to. and for some women that will be threatening and difficult it. >> well, i mean , as some >> well, i mean, as some feminists who have been on the show have said, if, you know, if an individual comes into the female toilets with a full beard and that can be an intimidating thing. >> yes, absolutely . certainly >> yes, absolutely. certainly there can be third spaces or or may i accept that some people , may i accept that some people, if they are, feel feel that they are happier acting as though they are a woman that could lead to them feeling as if they might get attention. they didn't want . and they go into the gents. but then i don't think i think that it

but then i don't think i think thatitis but then i don't think i think that it is basically who's feeling uncomfortable matters most. yes. a man feeling slightly awkward or women who have experienced rape and sexual violence or simply just do not know what the intentions of this person might be. but it you know, this was all perhaps at the back of my mind. so i made a single tweet which said nightmare because i was reflecting on the fact that a lot of single—sex spaces used to be respected. they no longer are now. and then i qualified it because obviously, i mean, for example, if you wanted to, you felt more comfortable doing this show wearing a sarong that would be absolutely you know, be absolutely fine. you know, i respect your rights. you know, i expect everybody's right to just try and express themselves in a way that doesn't harm other people. yes, but that so really that that was that was it. >> but also, you made the point that when women have facial hair, they are attacked for it. and, you know, and yet in this

case, this seemed to be something to be celebrated. >> i think it really shows how binary the way we look at life is. and even if we want to be very cool and alternative and say people come in all sorts of varieties and that the double standard is really clear, that that women are if you step too far out of line as a woman , far out of line as a woman, people will feel that's that's they're very entitled to comment . her hair's not good. her makeup isn't good. i wouldn't wear that dress , you know. yes, wear that dress, you know. yes, she's put on weight a lot of comments about physical appearance against women on social yes i think it's social media. yes i think it's something that's undoubtedly got worse, with if worse, whereas i think with if men want to assume a more female way of presenting themselves ever , nobody just says how brave ever, nobody just says how brave of how stunning, you know, and i think that means that they're not fooled. they actually know it's a bloke and it's very much an emperor's new clothes situation that the people who

are more powerful in society, they're the ones who get a kind of flattered and appeased and women who by and large are less powerful, they are more likely to be, you know, get get sort of feedback, keep in line . you feedback, keep in line. you know, if you if you're not trying really, really hard . and trying really, really hard. and we're just going to kind of make you feel a bit insecure, our we're going to kind of keep you feeling anxious. >> so these were the views that you'd expressed all of which are well, firstly, when you're talking immutable talking about the immutable nature of sex, that's a matter of fact. so that's of scientific fact. so that's not even really a belief. but even so, since the maya forstater case, this is all protected in law anyway . so what protected in law anyway. so what happened? when did you first nofice happened? when did you first notice that the consultancy you were reacted ? were working for had reacted? >> and i didn't notice straight away . what happened is that i away. what happened is that i was working on a particular project. i was just starting work and they contacted me to say, can you hold off? can you not do it? and i just felt there'd been some mix up at head office that there's a process of

matching editors and authors and that for some reason that kind of done a mismatch . and so of done a mismatch. and so i didn't think anything of it. a letter, an email was then sent around rather later to all editors saying , we reserve the editors saying, we reserve the right to get rid of anybody whose behaviour is not in accord with our values. you know, we take equal opportunities, equality, diversity , diversity equality, diversity, diversity and inclusion very, very serious. i didn't name you specifically. no, it was a genenc specifically. no, it was a generic email, but it talked about that they reserved the right to get rid of anybody who wasn't in accord with their , you wasn't in accord with their, you know, didn't behave in accordance with their values. yes. and it felt a bit uncomfortable, shall we say . uncomfortable, shall we say. yes. we were supposed to be brand ambassadors and what you were dropped . were dropped. >> you'd just been dropped from this without an explanation? >> no, that's correct. that i was dropped and then there was this rather sort of. kind of

email that it didn't sound very french. oddly, it was a bit like, you know, shape up. and i suppose for an organisation which has a lot of editors working , we're not all going to working, we're not all going to have precisely the same values anyway. you know , we were well, anyway. you know, we were well, i was going to ask about that because if they're saying that that this company has a certain set of values that you have to abide by in order to work for them, that a kind of them, isn't that a kind of imposition all of the members imposition on all of the members of staff saying you've got to be augned of staff saying you've got to be aligned we think? aligned on everything we think? yeah. it was also never made yeah. and it was also never made clear i joined company, clear when i joined the company, they about my they simply asked about my editorial as and you editorial skills as and you know, i how you are at the know, i how good you are at the job you know job right yes. yeah. you know i told my previous told them about my previous experience i felt that was experience and i felt that was what was important. and, you know, it's part of the job that you client with you treat every client with civility with courtesy and you treat every client with civon. with courtesy and you treat every client with civon. so with courtesy and you treat every client with civon. so i with courtesy and you treat every client with civon. so i felt] courtesy and you treat every client with civon. so i felt it ourtesy and you treat every client with civon. so i felt it wasasy and you treat every client with civon. so i felt it was worthd so on. so i felt it was worth debating with them, you know, sort of course sort of saying, well, of course i will treat all clients with courtesy and with respect, but i'm the idea that i'm concerned by the idea that that anybody for example , that anybody who, for example, posts post something that is

judged to be hateful social judged to be hateful on social media. that would automatically mean that you weren't employed by the company. mean that you weren't employed by the company . because mean that you weren't employed by the company. because i think hatred now is interpreted very, very broadly and it can simply mean something that people profound , oddly disagree with or profound, oddly disagree with or don't particularly like. and i think it's particularly important for writers, which , important for writers, which, you know, and i write as well as edit to be able to explore ideas very, very freely and to sometimes write and say things which might make people feel uncomfortable. and we're editors , but we're also human beings. i'm very , you know, aware of all i'm very, you know, aware of all sorts of political issues. and i would like to be able to express my opinion on, you know, on my lawful opinions in my spare time. lawful opinions in my spare tim so this is about free >> so really, this is about free speech. this is not specifically about gender critical feminism , about gender critical feminism, although that is obviously part of . but actually, when it of it. but actually, when it comes to firm this, comes to a firm like this, preventing its staff from expressing own views in expressing their own views in their own time, in their own spaces, social spaces, on their own social media absolutely. media accounts, absolutely. then

that's precedent i >> -- >> and i m >> and i think women's speech tends to be policed particularly tightly because there is an idea that as women we should always be kind. we should never cause offence to anybody. and if we cause offence to people, then we are bad women we must have are bad women and we must have we must have to be put. you know, in a special box, a special. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so you've won this. well, this was before tribunal. there's a settlement has been reached. yes. that would suggest that. well, it's gone your way, hasn't which is great. hasn't it? which is great. >> yes. mean, i received an >> yes. i mean, i received an apology. you know, it was acknowledged that my beliefs, while shared by while not necessarily shared by the company, were certainly worthy of respect in a democratic society. and you could argue i mean, it is i'm so happy to have got to that point. and i must say, you know, big thanks to the free speech union, i say thanks to gb news because when i was on the show before, i had a kind of terrific response and lot of support from and a lot of support from people. but i guess, you know, in a way it's a model of what should in the sense that should happen in the sense that there's problem people

there's a problem when people disagree. you explore the areas of ground and you you of common ground and you you know, you acknowledge the fact that you will differ in some respects and apologies made and then everybody can move on and go forwards. i think what is so difficult for women and also for men who have problems of this kind and it particularly affects people in what's called precarious employment isn't because, you know , often you're because, you know, often you're very scared. people you're perhaps more easy to get rid of if you've got your freelance you're an agency contractor . you're an agency contractor. yeah. so i think people tend to keep their heads down, but it does take a long time. this process . us when i've described, process. us when i've described, you know, people talking, people agreeing to differ, people moving on, it should maybe take a few days or a week. it took 15 months and fsu acas . to once to months and fsu acas. to once to solicitors. one barrister yes , solicitors. one barrister yes, the tribunal service, one

employer judge who did a case employerjudge who did a case management hearing and you think i just did a couple of tweets where i sort of said, you know, this guy is wearing starball. he's not a real woman. >> and i think 18 months for this is incredible. and, you know, like you say, free speech union is an amazing job with sticking up for these people. but you shouldn't but like you imply it shouldn't be necessary, it? we be necessary, should it? we should to have should be able to have conversations. should be able to have converwhatls. should be able to have converwhat a civilised free that's what a civilised free society all about. that's what a civilised free soc i ty all about. that's what a civilised free soci mean, .l about. that's what a civilised free soci mean, i about. that's what a civilised free soci mean, i wath. that's what a civilised free soci mean, i was lucky . that's what a civilised free soci mean, i was lucky. i mean, >> i mean, i was lucky. i mean, i was lucky to be able to in a sense, despite the fact it was a very difficult and it was a very stressful process. lots of women and men, know , they and some men, you know, they can't the risk because the can't take the risk because the mortgage was paid off because i had got a supportive partner. the kids were grown up. i could i could take the risk. i could stick neck out because and stick my neck out because and i didn't really feel i could do anything else. but it's i mean, i think everybody ought to stick up for their rights. but it just it i can understand why some people have to sadly take the decision. i'm not going to be

able to speak freely at work. i'm even going to able to i'm not even going to be able to speak on social media. speak freely on social media. and was really upset to hear and i was really upset to hear about of rasheen murphy about the case of rasheen murphy because, i mean, she thought she was to her friends on a was speaking to her friends on a private facebook chat and private facebook group chat and somebody snitched on her. it's like the stasi. >> so absolutely . >> so absolutely. >> so absolutely. >> and i think well, i think your case is going to help in that regard. >> i really hope so. i really hopeit >> i really hope so. i really hope it helps to create a climate where in the arts, in people precarious contracts people with precarious contracts that realise that that people will realise that people are entitled to their opinions and as long as they express them in a lawful way, particularly in private particularly in their private life home, that they life and at home, that they should just be able to get on and do it without having to go through 15 months of legal negotiation. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> well, sybil, ruth, thank you ever the ever so much for coming to the show talking to us about it. show and talking to us about it. >> thank thank you. show and talking to us about it. >> soank thank you. show and talking to us about it. >> soank plenty; you. show and talking to us about it. >> soank plenty more to >> so there's plenty more to come on free nation this come on free speech nation this evening, but now it's time for the latest weather . the latest weather. >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers are proud

sponsors of weather on gb news . news >> good evening. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest news. weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so there's been plenty of heavy showers and thunderstorms around throughout today and they will continue to dunng today and they will continue to during and this is during tonight. and this is because low pressure is starting to dominate the uk. weather clearing away that high pressure we last week. so into we saw during last week. so into this evening . then showers and this evening. then showers and thunderstorms will continue for a while, but generally starting to clear out into the north sea , though lingering for a little longer across southern scotland, , though lingering for a little longe spellsis southern scotland, , though lingering for a little longe spells in;outhern scotland, , though lingering for a little longe spells in the 1ern scotland, , though lingering for a little longe spells in the east,rcotland, , though lingering for a little longespells in the east, butand, clear spells in the east, but some mist, fog and low cloud developing and that's all during another warm and fairly humid night there will be some brightness to start monday, but any mist, fog and low cloud will lift and break before we see this area of cloud and outbreaks of rain spreading southeast woods, maybe some heavy showers and thunderstorms for england and thunderstorms for england and wales. just east ahead of

that. but there will be some sunny spells, too. and feeling pleasant in the sunshine still, even though we're not getting into the 30s, still the mid to high 20s for the highs on monday as we go into tuesday, that band of cloud and rain continues to make its way southeast . woods make its way southeast. woods becoming little heavier and becoming a little heavier and slow moving as it comes across england and wales, but starting to see those winds come from the north across parts of scotland, northern england and northern ireland. feel ireland. so starting to feel cooler, but generally remaining changeable the week. changeable throughout the week. but noticeably, those but most noticeably, those temperatures down temperatures dropping down to average . looks like things are average. looks like things are heating up. >> boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news as

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nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation on kew gardens was established in the mid 18th century and was open to the pubucin century and was open to the public in 1840. this incredible resource cultivated plants from across the globe, some of which had come from captain cook's voyage to the south seas. kew gardens is a unesco world heritage site and houses over 8.5 million items, according to its website. it has the largest and most diverse botanical and mycological collections in the world. but like most major institutions, it appears to have been infiltrated by activists . been infiltrated by activists. its latest project is called queer for nature a celebration of diversity in art plants and fungi, which seeks to draw connections between plants and lgbt communities. connections between plants and lgbt communities . and no, this lgbt communities. and no, this is not a joke. according to the kew gardens official twitter account, plants and flowers have often been associated with queer identities , both positively and identities, both positively and negatively , and this will be negatively, and this will be explored in the queer nature festival by amplifying queer voices through art, allowing for new conversations . so leaving

new conversations. so leaving aside that for most gay people, queeris aside that for most gay people, queer is a slur , what on earth queer is a slur, what on earth are kew gardens talking about? what are flowers got to do with being gay apart from the fact that some of us were called pansies at school? well, the staff at kew are keen to explain why nature is so queer. staff at kew are keen to explain why nature is so queer . they say why nature is so queer. they say while the basic system of reproduction in lots of plants involves the fusion of male and female gametes, some individual plants not neatly fit into plants do not neatly fit into binaries . so plants do not neatly fit into binaries. so what most flowering plants are hermaphrodites, but human beings aren't plants. although it does look as though the kew gardens twitter account is being by vegetables is. is being run by vegetables is. but this is right up there with militant trans activists who claim because clownfish can claim that because clownfish can change sex, this means that human beings can too, even though it's never happened. probably because we're not fish ehhen probably because we're not fish either. what's happening at kew is the same thing that's happening everywhere in identity obsessed activists are taking control in spite of the fact that most of the british public don't want them there. it's why

last chelsea physic last month, the chelsea physic garden established 1673, ran garden established in 1673, ran a queer ecology nature guided walk , which focussed on how walk, which focussed on how insects form relationships with plants and navigate their links to queerness . this is why to queerness. this is why presenter of bbc's countryfile claimed that the countryside is racist . it's why a group of racist. it's why a group of self—proclaimed queer hikers decided to set up their own walking group because they said they want to challenge what they see as a lack of equality around access to the outdoors. even though gay people have never really found it difficult to go outdoors because we're not vampires . it's why transport for vampires. it's why transport for london issued a guide which claimed that gardens are racist and full of, quote , problematic and full of, quote, problematic plant like wisteria, for plant life like wisteria, for instance, which apparently has colonial roots and rhubarb, which, although not racist in of itself, is often an ingredient in puddings along with sugar. and because sugar is associated with the slave trade, rhubarb is racist. adjacent apparently. i suppose. next they'll be saying

that chrysanthemums are transphobic and that we should be renaming them as chrysantha birthing people of course, the real reason why kew gardens is going along with all this nonsense is quite predictable. i've had a look at the kew gardens equality, and gardens equality, diversity and inclusion delivery plan and one of its strategy pillars includes the seeking of accreditation by outside activist groups, including stonewall , outside activist groups, including stonewall, which used to support gay rights but now promotes gender identity, ideology and another body called athena swan , which has also been athena swan, which has also been ideologically captured. you see this ideology works like a virus. groups like stonewall and athena swan become infected and then pass the infection on with every institution they come in contact with. and because corporations and public bodies want to show that they are in favour of inclusion, which we all are, they pay money to groups like stonewall and then implement their in return implement their ideas in return for points on schemes like stonewall's workplace equality index and this has serious ramifications . you might ramifications. you might remember when the times uncovered documents revealing

that stonewall had tried to control what nhs trusts government departments and local councils say on their social media accounts, demanding public support for its views of gender identity, ideology and then rewarding them with points towards its top 100. employers index. towards its top 100. employers index . so if a government index. so if a government department uses the term birthing parent instead of mother, they get more points . mother, they get more points. and worse still, 10% of the scottish government's score on the index was relating to consultation with stonewall on revising legislation . in other revising legislation. in other words, it looks very much as though the snp were making were using taxpayers money to fund a lobbying group that would in turn reward the government for changing law. according to changing the law. according to their ideology. why else would civil servants in scotland have been that been asked to consider that biological is a falsehood biological sex is a falsehood concocted by the medical profession to reinforce white supremacy and gender oppression? why is the welsh government still pushing gender identity ideology on primary school children ? and is the world

children? and why is the world health organisation claiming children? and why is the world health chumantion claiming children? and why is the world health chuman raceclaiming children? and why is the world health chuman race iinming children? and why is the world health chuman race is ,ning children? and why is the world health chuman race is , quote, that the human race is, quote, not limited to male and female, even though any moderately intelligent child knows that sex is binary ? so this isn't really is binary? so this isn't really about queer plants and fungi. at kew gardens . that's just the kew gardens. that's just the latest and silliest symptom of a much deeper cultural malaise that goes right to the very top. this is an ideological movement thatis this is an ideological movement that is illiberal, regressive, anti gay and anti—women, but it masquerades as being liberal, progressive and inclusive for all. so i suggest that if you're all. so i suggest that if you're a member of kew gardens, you should let them know how you feel about this . after all, you feel about this. after all, you joined because you wanted to enjoy gardens and the enjoy the gardens and the flowers, because you wanted flowers, not because you wanted some sermon . are you some weird sermon. are you a member of queer or queer gardens? kew gardens. that's what they should be called. >> they've got you. >> they've got you. >> they've got me already. >> they've got me already. >> no, i'm not. >> it's actually rather beautiful. and, you know, i've been i've been one been there. i've been to the one that's in sussex as well. that's in the sussex as well. that's. it's part of the same

body. >> it's a lovely idea. i'm from the west country. we've got the arboretum at westonbirt, so that sort thing. go and sort of thing. you can go and look at trees. it's very nice. >> but look, i think this is just silly in a but, but my just silly in a way. but, but my point that it it's connected point is that it it's connected to bigger, something to something bigger, something that's sinister, you that's a bit more sinister, you know. most people just know. but most people are just going to see it and laugh, aren't they? >> think they'll either laugh aren't they? >>they'll( they'll either laugh aren't they? >>they'll feely'll either laugh aren't they? >>they'll feel patronised,augh aren't they? >>they'll feel patronised, you or they'll feel patronised, you know, straight or know, whether you're straight or gay it's gay or whatever, it's patronising, isn't it? it's like kind as you said at the end, kind of, as you said at the end, a sermon this a sermon telling you this is what be thinking about. >> it's also quite weird, bruce, because lots of gay people and gay have commented on gay activists have commented on this and sort said, look, this and sort of said, look, queeris this and sort of said, look, queer is a slur. this is what people call us they people used to call us when they were beating us up in the in the playground. and now botanist playground. and now a botanist is using it. i mean, do is sort of using it. i mean, do you think there's any issue there? >> i personally don't have a problem with the word queer. i'm at a friend who at all. i have a friend who lives in scotland who she happens to gay she really happens to be gay and she really hates it because it's interesting. >> there's debates, isn't there? yeah >> all i was going to say was

yeah >> seel i was going to say was yeah >> see danny going to say was yeah >> see danny minogue say was yeah >> see danny minogue iny was yeah >> see danny minogue in anas i did see danny minogue in a production macbeth at the production of macbeth at the botanic garden years many years ago. so sorry. was lovely. >> it was really it was >> it was really great. it was all right. was it a huge fan? >> i know it was good. so she was probably, you know, representing queer people, lgbt people production. but people in that production. but yeah, gay grass. >> grass, really? who is >> a gay grass, really? who is danny playing? >> a gay grass, really? who is darlady playing? >> a gay grass, really? who is darlady macbeth. aying? >> lady macbeth. >> lady macbeth. >> it was marvellous. >> oh, it was marvellous. >> oh, it was marvellous. >> it was all of fresco. it was great. >> can danny minogue act you surprise me. no, she can't. >> he's really good. >> he's really good. >> so multi, multi talented. >> so multi, multi talented. >> accent? >> so multi, multi talented. >> yeah. accent? >> so multi, multi talented. >> yeah. did accent? >> so multi, multi talented. >> yeah. did she accent? >> so multi, multi talented. >> yeah. did she do cent? >> so multi, multi talented. >> yeah. did she do scottish? >> yeah. did she do scottish? >> she did. lady macbeth's accent. wow. >> getting >> we're getting off. >> we're getting off. >> is australian, probably >> which is australian, probably in production. >> which is australian, probably in are production. >> which is australian, probably in are getting production. >> which is australian, probably in are getting ptopic tion. >> which is australian, probably in are getting ptopic a)n. >> which is australian, probably in are getting ptopic a bit, we are getting off topic a bit, so see about it being so let's see about it being sinister. let's move on. let's move on. but we're going to take a but next on free a break now. but next on free speech going to be speech nation, we're going to be speaking pollster who has speaking to the pollster who has ranked bottom the ranked harvard bottom of the league when it comes to free speech at universities.

welcome back to free speech nation. with me, andrew doyle. now we've got a question from a member of our audience at home, which was emailed in from yannick . hello, yannick. thanks yannick. hello, yannick. thanks for your question. says for your question. yannick says our children's hospitals now planning gender planning to introduce gender neutral their little neutral terms to their little patients. so this is patients. okay, so this is related to great ormond street hospital . they've advised people hospital. they've advised people not to use the terms boys and girls. they've asked staff to avoid all sorts of gendered language such as gents, guys , language such as gents, guys, ladies, dude , which i don't ladies, dude, which i don't think anyone should use, to be honest. uh, but apparently anyone deliberately using the wrong pronoun for a colleague will be seen as harassing them. so bruce , there's a weird thing so bruce, there's a weird thing where there's a kind of a desperate need to control people's language in accordance with this. but, you know, it seems a bit much to me, but where does it come from? right. well, we think it's come from an external body. so, you know, i was talking about what happened at kew gardens before. you often get external bodies get these external bodies like stonewall, like gendered intelligence, and

stonewall, like gendered inte don't ce, and stonewall, like gendered intedon't use and stonewall, like gendered intedon't use gender and stonewall, like gendered intedon't use gender neutrald say don't use gender neutral language at any but the language at any point, but the point that no is offended point is that no one is offended by phrases such as boys, girls, trans people aren't aren't offended by phrases like ladies, gents, you know, it's just a few minority of activists who work for these bodies who come in and say, you've got to do this. and it's a very bizarre thing, particularly with kids. i mean, boys not boys and girls. that's not offensive, is it? >> i don't think offensive, >> i don't think it's offensive, but then i don't know what it's like be offended by like to be to be offended by that. that makes any sense, that. if that makes any sense, because i like. really. because i just like. really. >> that's an interesting >> but that's an interesting point, isn't that, know point, isn't it, that, you know , are we changing things because of individuals who are affected? , are we changing things because of in

people of whatever they are. so ijust i understand people of whatever they are. so i just i understand what you're saying about external bodies, but who's actually gone in and said, you know, i'm really offended by this, but i think rarely happens. rarely it happens. >> think a lot these things >> i think a lot of these things are sort of implemented by i don't think anyone will have complained club that complained at a comedy club that they and gentlemen, they say, ladies and gentlemen, but then told that i'm but then i get told that i'm patronising because, well, it was i was texting you and was like i was texting you and i was like i was texting you and i was like, right, i'll see you later. >> and i remember saying, love or flowered or whatever, and they find really, they went, i find that really, really oh really offensive. and i said, oh my god, i thought i had time on my god, i thought i had time on my hands. i clearly don't. >> yeah. do you think that's misogynist of bruce to sort of say flower? >> i think it's about you than it is about me. it's fine. i don't care. yeah. i mean, i think it's absolutely inappropriate to especially this sick children. there are bigger things sick children. there are bigger thiryeah, it's a very weird one, >> yeah, it's a very weird one, isn't it? you know. anyway i just have these images of a nurse screaming and nurse sort of screaming and berating a child for berating at a child for misgendering someone or using the word and these people, the word boy and these people, you we all know it's you know, we all know it's difficult our difficult to change our language. difficult to change our lan youle. you've got words >> you know, you've got words that mind boys and that come to mind like boys and girls. can see people in

girls. i can see people in stressful stumbling stressful situations stumbling over getting into over this and then getting into a trouble. a lot of trouble. >> yeah, of course. >> yeah, of course. >> okay. it happens all time >> okay. it happens all the time with sam smith. you know, sam smith that he wanted to smith decided that he wanted to be as they. be known as they. >> and it lorraine kelly? >> yeah, but then even people who supporters of who are supporting supporters of sam i think saying he. >> yeah, but he's a fisher they man no, he's a fisher them he's a fisher them he wants to be a fisher then rather than a fisherman. >> i know it's boring, it's really boring. >> remember he was on the one >> i remember he was on the one show that yes. that's the show saying that yes. that's the most offensive thing i've found about thing was the about the whole thing was the jumper was wearing. oh it was jumper he was wearing. oh it was hideous, it? it wasn't jumper he was wearing. oh it was hideoit., it? it wasn't jumper he was wearing. oh it was hideo it was it? it wasn't jumper he was wearing. oh it was hideo it was an it? it wasn't jumper he was wearing. oh it was hideo it was an abomination. nice. it was an abomination. >> and should have been drowned. >> wasn't. wow. >> wasn't. wow. >> no, not really. i don't mean it, but it was a bad jumper. >> poor them, poor them. >> poor them, poor them. >> harvard university >> anyway, so harvard university has ranked the worst school has been ranked the worst school for free speech the us. the has been ranked the worst school for leaguezech the us. the has been ranked the worst school for league institution us. the has been ranked the worst school for league institution was the ivy league institution was awarded out a awarded zero points out of a possible 100 points. that's pretty this is by fire, pretty bad. and this is by fire, the foundation for individual rights so rights and expression. so harvard tanked harvard score tanked because nine professors researchers nine professors and researchers have to be punished

have faced calls to be punished or fired on things they'd or fired based on things they'd said or written right now. this is an interesting one. now greg lukianoff, who works for fire, has written a book recently with ricky schlott called the cancelling of the american mind , and this explores the statistics on cancel culture. and he talks about and they sorry both of them talk about the in which actually you the way in which actually you would go back to the would have to go back to the mccarthy era in fact that mccarthy era and in fact that this is in terms of university campuses, this worse than the campuses, this is worse than the mccarthy era in terms of the number of people who are being fired or disciplined based on legitimate legal points of legitimate and legal points of view. it surprising view. so isn't it surprising that is the when that harvard is the worst when it comes to this, when it comes to academic freedom? and it's really important, isn't it, that academics are free to express their views? yeah because remember, off remember, it's slightly off topic, remember when the topic, but i remember when the scottish to scottish government wanted to bnngin scottish government wanted to bring in kind of smoke alarms. >> yes , my mum convinced >> yes, my mum was convinced that were all rigged and that they were all rigged and bugged cameras in them. bugged and had cameras in them. yeah. and they wanted to see what was going on in people's houses the hate crime houses to do with the hate crime bill. yes. which i know is

slightly not what you've asked me at all. no, it's not. me about at all. no, it's not. >> but that's all i like >> but that's all right. i like going topic. this is this is going off topic. this is this is the of your the nature of your style. >> yeah. very worried >> yeah. thank you very worried about smoke alarms at about the smoke alarms at harvard or your mum is. >> worried them >> i'm worried about them scoring out of 100. scoring zero out of 100. >> by the way, though via >> and by the way, though via are that's generous that are saying that's generous that actually that actually really actually that actually it really should score right should be a minus score right well why are you not well i mean why are you not surprised because keep surprised by because we keep heanng surprised by because we keep hearing this and what's an example talks about this example camille talks about this a lot. >> she's somebody admire. you >> she's somebody i admire. you know, the ivy know, if you're at the ivy league universities, you're absolutely encouraged to use language that they've actually concocted not not that long ago, not natural language, but language. that's the language that you use to show that you're in the gang. yes, she's got people talks about who've people she talks about who've left the profession because they can't interrogate texts. the way they'd that's right. they'd like. no, that's right. >> so was an academic >> and so there was an academic who disciplined for who was disciplined for using a racial though he was racial slur, even though he was reading and quoting from a james baldwin piece. >> and it's these are >> and it's like these are academics. i mean, the idea that the context doesn't matter

anymore in a university, but harvard in particular, which is supposed to be the most prestigious, you would expect them stand academic freedom. >> well, you would hope. but i think i think there's a lot of academics that time has passed. >> they do because people now saying they're going to build onune saying they're going to build online that the online universities and that the ivy leagues are dead, you know? >> exactly. know, >> yeah, exactly. but, you know, don't cancel don't worry because cancel culture doesn't exist culture apparently doesn't exist apart all university apart from all the university professors getting professors who are getting cancelled for cancelled and disciplined for their if it their opinions anyway, if it weren't for that, we wouldn't have so it's have a show, would we? so it's fine. is the end of the fine. but that is the end of the first hour on free speech nation. please do not go nation. but please do not go away. there is plenty more to come now and 9:00, so come between now and 9:00, so we'll see you in a moment. >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar, sponsors of weather solar, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good evening. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to our latest news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so there's been plenty of heavy showers and thunderstorms around throughout today and they will continue to dunng today and they will continue to during tonight. and this is

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aftershocks today causing more uncertainty and danger. we'll also within the last hour, his majesty the king king charles, has sent his condolences , saying has sent his condolences, saying he could not describe the depths of his sadness and sorrow at the appalling tragedy unfolding in the country. more on the efforts of that rescue team just deployed to morocco as soon as we get it. meanwhile in other news today, daniel khalife has been charged with escaping custody after four days on the run from the authorities . the 21 run from the authorities. the 21 year old escaped terror suspect had strapped himself underneath a food delivery lorry to escape from wandsworth prison on wednesday . he from wandsworth prison on wednesday. he was from wandsworth prison on wednesday . he was tackled from wednesday. he was tackled from a bicycle on a canal towpath in west london by a police officer yesterday and will appear at westminster magistrates court tomorrow . meanwhile, an inmate tomorrow. meanwhile, an inmate at the same prison has been stabbed today, just days after cauphs stabbed today, just days after caliphs escape. the man was taken from wandsworth to hospital by ambulance this afternoon and he remains in a

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news. channel >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle and my wonderful panellist bruce devlin and krista wetton . we devlin and krista wetton. we want to get some more questions from viewers and you've from viewers at home. and you've very kindly emailed in. our first question is from a sam. sam says, is it fair for a biological woman to compete in sports with transgender women? this is a question we have a lot. but the reason why it's come up this week, i've no doubt, is because of the cyclists. a transgender cyclist, evelyn tessa evelyn williamson and tessa johnson, who completely dominated they dominated the field. they got gold two recent elite female gold at two recent elite female races and they were seen. there was photograph that went out was a photograph that went out arm arm atop the podium, arm in arm atop the podium, towering over the female competitor. i mean , it's kind of competitor. i mean, it's kind of funny. they're so obviously massive compared to the women there. now, the thing is, when you see photos like that, it just draws attention to the absurdity of this, doesn't it? i mean, leah thomas when leah thomas, male swimmer, of the thomas, male swimmer, top of the podium with the women sort of below . i mean, it just it this

below. i mean, it just it this kind of stuff really piques people, doesn't it? kind of stuff really piques peoyeah, oesn't it? kind of stuff really piques peoyeah, it�*sn't it? kind of stuff really piques peoyeah, it does. ? kind of stuff really piques peoyeah, it does. i mean, and >> yeah, it does. i mean, and that photo, it's everything that sharon been talking about. >> is anyone denying that? >> why is anyone denying that? obviously men are stronger if we had an arm wrestle right now, i would win. and i'm a weak man. >> but i would still win. >> but i would still win. >> yeah. you know, thanks for your wholehearted support at that isn't it the that point. but isn't it the thing this, what find so thing about this, what i find so strange about this is everyone wants trans people to have equal rights that rights and enjoy the life that they to live. they they want to live. but they can't pretend biology can't just pretend that biology isn't a thing and then compete in trash women's in sports and just trash women's sports entirely. it doesn't make sense. >> so a friend of mine has a trans friend and said that although born male and male, puberty and all that kind of stuff, by virtue of whatever medications and the oestrogen and kind stuff, it and all that kind of stuff, it bnngs and all that kind of stuff, it brings everything back now, brings everything back. now, i'm not in the field. not an expert in the field. >> it doesn't the experts, the experts show that going through male puberty is a defining thing. you end up with a bigger heart, bigger muscle density. you know, all of the kind of things that the figures are,

what the point is, these what i mean, the point is, these two have have cleared. two people have have cleared. >> cleared with >> they've cleared up with all the gold medals. it's the statistics show, don't they, that once biological males that when once biological males become females come into women's sport is the end of women's sport. >> it's just it's just so obvious and egregious and i understand why. >> you know, there was confusion about that. but that's truth about that. but that's the truth of it, that, you know, the reason why sports were separated into categories into male and female categories was because women would lose everything so that everything that was so that women play sports. that women could play sports. that was professional that was a professional sport. that was a professional sport. that was wasn't it? you was the point, wasn't it? you know, so it just seems strange to that have to keep to me that we have to keep having argument. sharon having this argument. sharon davis written book davis has just written a book about yamauchi has about this. mari yamauchi has written book. people have written a book. people have written a book. people have written article essays. but what i find strange about it is it's something we all know you look at thomas and you know, at leah thomas and you know, that's not fair. you look at these cyclists, you know, these two cyclists, you know, it's fair. do we have it's not fair. so why do we have to keep writing these, having these more these discussions, even more upsetting about this situation is was a biological is that there was a biological female now cycling female who's now left cycling because and because antifa turned up and were protesting her own

were protesting her in her own sport, saying , you're were protesting her in her own sport, saying, you're a and sport, saying, you're a terf and we shouldn't terfs in in sport, saying, you're a terf and we sport. n't terfs in in the sport. >> so never mind the medals and who win. just left who can win. she just left because she felt she felt attacked for being there, which is extraordinary . is extraordinary. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and some athletes have pointed if you're pointed out, you know, if you're a you know, elite a young girl, you know, in elite sports, a second off sports, shaving a second off here and there takes years and years of training hard work. years of training and hard work. and bloke can just come and if some bloke can just come in everything, it's in and win everything, it's going girls off from going to put girls off from from going to put girls off from from going sport in the first place. >> do you think i would have thought so. >> i mean, i don't know. i wasn't a sporty kid, so for me, i didn't have that aspiration. >> it's like we're sisters. i wasn't sporty child either, honestly, wasn't sporty child either, hon can ', wasn't sporty child either, hon can', believe that? no. can you believe that? i actually took latin to get off pe and i mean, that's extreme. i know. honestly she fat strange. >> okay, so we'll get another question now. this one is from aaron. aaron says, should bond villains have diversity quotas when it comes to hiring their henchmen ? well, i know what he's henchmen? well, i know what he's talking about. there was an image of the new bond book who's it charlie higson, who to me it by charlie higson, who to me is from 90s,

is a comedian from the 90s, a sketch comic. is a comedian from the 90s, a skeit1 comic. is a comedian from the 90s, a ske it mustic. is a comedian from the 90s, a ske it must be a different >> it must be a different person, right? >> it must be a different peritn, right? >> it must be a different per it looksil? >> it must be a different per it looks like the >> it must be a different perit looks like the same guy. >> it looks like the same guy. >> it looks like the same guy. >> is it the same guy? >> is it the same guy? >> well, he's written this new aduu >> well, he's written this new adult bond book. i think he'd written some bond books kids written some bond books for kids . do that . whatever. whatever you do that i'm . the new i'm not sure. but the new basically the new villain is sort of pro—brexit and really sort of pro—brexit and really sort of pro—brexit and really sort of anti—woke . and then bond sort of anti—woke. and then bond drinks, kombucha . yeah. and he's drinks, kombucha. yeah. and he's just really trendy . just really trendy. >> it's a joke. i thought it was a joke. it's kombucha. >> oh, it's that horrible. >> oh, it's that horrible. >> it's fermented something. >> it's fermented something. >> it's fermented good for you. >> it's fermented good for you. >> drink it's a hipster drink. >> it's what hipster. it's people drink people who wear sandals, drink booze in it. >> it's not very james bond. >> it's not very james bond. >> exactly, but i be interested. you'd be great james bond . you'd be a great james bond. >> i would. >> i would. >> isn't part of the point of james bond, though, that he is a philanderer? he's a morally objectionable male. >> a boarding school >> he's a boarding school survivor . survivor. >> w- survivor. >> like internal mental >> he's got like internal mental wounds. so he has to hurt women and that. and he's not meant and all that. and he's not meant to be a good guy. >> he's you're not necessarily meant him. mean, meant to like him. i mean, that's the thing. he's like an

antihero. >> absolutely. and it's escapism. it's extreme. escapism. um, and it's extreme. and he's not supposed to have balanced views. and he's not supposed to have balandd views. and he's not supposed to have balandd really views. and he's not supposed to have baland d really funny. and he's not supposed to have baland d really funny the way >> and it's really funny the way that this book describes the villain. you know, villain. it's like, you know, pro—brexit he was an pro—brexit views, he was an anti—masker and naturally this led to anti—immigrant sentiment and anti—trans sentiment. so it's the cliches it's like all of the cliches about what people think that any one who has a different viewpoint is just this evil is the new james bond. oh no, this is a book or this is a book. >> i don't read that. >> i don't read that. >> that was the worry. that was it. it is time consuming, isn't it? yeah why can't they just film everything? that's what they know? they should do, you know? okay. our question from our next question is from melinda. why has melinda. melinda says, why has the great british bake off gone woke ? it's not show i've ever woke? it's not a show i've ever seen, but this show is called the great british bake off. apparently it's a popular competition at and it has a kind of national charity themed weeks. so for instance, you would have a week of what, mexican food? >> well, they try italian, italian, italian food , which i'm italian, italian food, which i'm a big fan of.

>> but they've said that this is casual. critics have said this is casual racism. and so they've dropped it. now, i don't know. i used to be a teacher. i used to work at a school and they used to have themed, you know, so one week would have, know, week you would have, you know, french you'd have french food. one week you'd have indian food. they didn't do irish because there isn't any good food but they do good food there, but they do that middle. that in the middle. >> have greek week, you have >> you have greek week, you have italian have racism, italian week, you have racism, poush italian week, you have racism, polish and that polish week, racism and all that kind of stuff. >> but don't you think that is all appropriation, at all cultural appropriation, at least? do little have least? i mean, do little have the in polish cuisine? >> did you hear the joke? >> did you hear the joke? >> what joke? >> what joke? >> well, anthony worrall >> well, i heard anthony worrall thompson here recently >> well, i heard anthony worrall thorweek. here recently >> well, i heard anthony worrall thorweek. i'm here recently >> well, i heard anthony worrall thorweek. i'm here are recently >> well, i heard anthony worrall thorweek. i'm here az recently >> well, i heard anthony worrall thorweek. i'm here a lot cently >> well, i heard anthony worrall thorweek. i'm here a lot now.r this week. i'm here a lot now. and the joke was we can't have any jokes on mexican week. what? not one. this, not even one. and this, apparently. not even one. and this, appoh,|tly. not even one. and this, appoh, nothing wrong with that. >> oh, nothing wrong with that. >> oh, nothing wrong with that. >> didn't so, but >> well, i didn't think so, but were people angry about that? >> although have to wonder >> although you have to wonder how don't well how many people, don't you? well one don't think it was one email i don't think it was probably just one email from someone who's got nothing better probably just one email from so do,�*ne who's got nothing better probably just one email from so do, isn't ho's got nothing better probably just one email from so do, isn't it?s got nothing better to do, isn't it? >> i often think that's the case with these things. >> it's someone in

>> do you think it's someone in here causing all the trouble? >> mole a leak. >> a mole that's a leak. >> a mole that's a leak. >> and they are sending in the complaints. >> i mean, it could be by laughing and taking a salary. is it yeah, it's. it you? yeah, it's. >> thought was >> you thought there was something bruce. something iffy about you, bruce. now we know. okay. we've got another question now from akif. akif should be akif says, should race be a factor it comes to factor when it comes to sentencing sex offenders? okay factor when it comes to serthiszing sex offenders? okay factor when it comes to serthis isg sex offenders? okay factor when it comes to serthis is asex offenders? okay factor when it comes to serthis is a naughty ders? okay factor when it comes to serthis is a naughty one.’ okay factor when it comes to serthis is a naughty one. so (ay so this is a naughty one. so this a canadian judge who this was a canadian judge who effectively horrible effectively it was a horrible case and it was a father daughter, incest relationship that and that resulted in a pregnancy and a child, which is illegal. and the canadian judge basically said this individual was the father wasn't going to get the full jail sentence because he's black and that's it . and the black and that's it. and the idea was and specifically the judge said we have to take into account historical oppression and systemic racism. what that means is , is you don't means is, is you don't effectively have of a legal system in the traditional sense. you have a two tiered legal system depending on the colour of your skin, which is racist. >> i would say so. >>—

>> i would say so. >> and dangerous. >> and dangerous. >> of course, you know , when you >> of course, you know, when you have this people saying , have this people saying, alleging that effectively and patronising. by the way, if you're saying that unbelievable black people can't commit crime because subject to because they've been subject to systemic racism , you're systemic racism, you're effectively patronise effectively extremely patronise ing to individuals saying that people can't take responsibility for what they do. >> amazed. i mean, >> i'm amazed. i mean, i wouldn't be amazed if i found wouldn't be so amazed if i found out actually this is what out that actually this is what tends to happen because it's a personal judge. but personal view of the judge. but it's it's talked about . it's policy. it's talked about. >> canada is weird like this. i mean, canada has lot of mean, canada has a lot of trouble. but a two tiered legal system based on skin colour to me is a bad idea. i'm just surprised he wasn't prosecute suhed surprised he wasn't prosecute suitwell , that's yes, he was. >> well, that's yes, he was. >> well, that's yes, he was. >> but got a reduction on >> but he's got a reduction on his sentence. and that's that's the point. >> the point you're making is clear. you should apply the law. it doesn't matter colour it doesn't matter what colour you creed, you are. sexuality, creed, whatever. the law. you are. sexuality, creed, wha know, the law. you are. sexuality, creed, wha know, that's the law. you are. sexuality, creed, wha know, that's surelya law. you are. sexuality, creed, wha know, that's surely the n. you know, that's surely the case.i you know, that's surely the case. i mean, we had a similar thing, i suppose, in this country the grooming country with the grooming gang situation not situation where police were not investigated because said investigated because they said they accused racism. they might be accused of racism.

well, forget about the skin colour. people are colour. just if people are raping apply the law. raping children, apply the law. it matter what their raping children, apply the law. it colour1atter what their raping children, apply the law. it colour is. ter what their raping children, apply the law. it absolutely.er what their >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> mean, i think in that case, >> i mean, i think in that case, it hidden, wasn't it? we it was hidden, wasn't it? we weren't it wasn't investigated. >> it was it's as though it >> it was it's not as though it went court there was went to court and there was a two thing about that two tiered thing about that didn't happen. >> but so this to me, this story is of on another level is kind of on another level because it is now racist legislation. you it? legislation. would you call it? >> properly dodgy. very >> it's properly dodgy. very strange from canada, strange coming from canada, especially their especially since their prime minister keeps blacking up. that's thing, it? that's like his thing, isn't it? anyway from anyway final question now from calum. why are calum. calum says, why are footballers out sex toys footballers handing out sex toys at ceremonies? at award ceremonies? they're not. was not. they're not. this was a joke that mack said said and joke that lee mack said said and i think he got the award from an engush i think he got the award from an english female footballer. >> is that right? yes. yes >> is that right? yes. yes >> one of the lionesses. one of the lionesses made a joke about what it looked made a joke what it looked like, made a joke about shape of the award, about the shape of the award, which i haven't seen, but i'll assume was suggestive in a assume it was suggestive in a kind know, that's life. kind of, you know, that's life. >> ransom vegetable kind kind of, you know, that's life. >>way ransom vegetable kind kind of, you know, that's life. >>way fapparentzgetable kind kind of, you know, that's life. >>way fapparent glee.»le kind kind of, you know, that's life. >>way fapparent glee. he

this became a news story. people were saying, oh, is lee mack going to be cancelled? but actually, all it was was a couple people on twitter couple of people on twitter saying , bet they'll cancel saying, oh, i bet they'll cancel lee mack. now, that's not a news story, is it? they've just found a of tweets pretended a couple of tweets and pretended that is trouble. that lee mack is in trouble. he's trouble. he's just he's not in trouble. he's just made joke. made a joke. >> what was getting an award for? >>i for? >> i don't know. >> i don't know. >> i don't know. >> i think that's the biggest question. some mouldy old question. told some mouldy old boy. don't it's a very boy. i don't care if it's a very talented comedian, wouldn't you say? talented comedian, wouldn't you say no, think he's very good. >> no, i think he's very good. >> no, i think he's very good. >> i think that's right. i think he's he's wonderful. he's oh, he's wonderful. >> treasure. >> national treasure. >> national treasure. >> don't you're >> somehow. i don't think you're being but you being sincere there. but no, you know, in fairness to lee mack, and sure doesn't lose and i'm sure he doesn't lose sleep about me, i'm not necessarily familiar with work. >> i do remember there was something on that. yeah not for me, but my point about me, no. but but my point about this there is no campaign to this is there is no campaign to have lee mack cancelled. >> no. why should someone wrote have lee mack cancelled. >>alo. why should someone wrote have lee mack cancelled. >>a tabloid should someone wrote have lee mack cancelled. >>a tabloid newspaperneone wrote have lee mack cancelled. >>a tabloid newspaper sayingvrote have lee mack cancelled. >>a tabloid newspaper saying wee in a tabloid newspaper saying we saw tweet saying be saw a tweet saying he should be cancelled becomes cancelled and that becomes a news story. i do worry about news story. and i do worry about this kind of stuff sometimes that with cancel culture that with these cancel culture stories, sometimes it is just a couple of idiots on twitter and

you find anything on twitter you can find anything on twitter like any idiot opinion, i promise i can find on promise you, i can find on twitter, i believe by someone i've expressed them. so, i've expressed most of them. so, you it's easily done, but you know, it's easily done, but you know, it's easily done, but you know, it's easily done, but you know i mean. like this you know what i mean. like this is poor journalism, isn't you know what i mean. like this is poorjournalism, isn't it? >> journalism. is poorjournalism, isn't it? >> are journalism. is poorjournalism, isn't it? >> are awardrnalism. is poorjournalism, isn't it? >> are award makers how are the award makers feeling? i mean, really, they're the victims this. the only victims in this. >> worried about the >> well, i'm worried about the shape award. shape of that award. >> i mean, surely they should just design an award made of that, i don't know, pvc, probably. >> we need the facts. >> we need the facts. >> the facts. >> we do need the facts. >> we do need the facts. >> but why don't they just design an award won't design an award that won't be open innuendo? open to sexual innuendo? that would be my suggestion. >> like pamphlet. >> they're like a pamphlet. >> they're like a pamphlet. >> them a pamphlet. >> just give them a pamphlet. >> just give them a pamphlet. >> a pamphlet. just well done. >> well done. well good for you. >> well done. well good for you. >> pat on the back salary school. >> absolutely. okay. after the break on free speech nation, people home should people who work from home should they less? this a

radio. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. >> so whitehall staff clearly

enjoyed the hot spell this week. 80% of civil servants across three departments worked from home on wednesday, with only around 900 of the near 4000 desks being occupied . this came desks being occupied. this came in the same week that a national newspaper reignited the debate over whether those who choose to work home be paid work from home should be paid less than their office based employees . eliot keck is the employees. eliot keck is the investigations campaign manager at the taxpayers alliance and he joins me now. welcome to the show. so, eliot , you've authored show. so, eliot, you've authored a report this week or it's been published this week. do you want to tell us a bit about that? >> yeah. so we had the daily mail front page on monday. we looked into not just the number of council staff are of council staff that are working home. everybody of council staff that are workof| home. everybody of council staff that are work of knows 1ome. everybody of council staff that are work of knows about everybody of council staff that are work of knows about that/body kind of knows about that already, look already, but we wanted to look at number of council staff at the number of council staff that being allowed to work that were being allowed to work from abroad. yes, potentially even beach. and we even from the beach. and we found well, actually the found that well, actually on the beach. have beach. well, we don't have conclusive that, but, conclusive proof of that, but, you know, i'm sure there are some and we found some examples. yes. and we found that staff have that since 2020, 1358 staff have been work from been allowed to work from abroad. that's in places like spain, italy, france, australia,

abroad. that's in places like spain, orly, france, australia, abroad. that's in places like spain, or basically, australia, abroad. that's in places like spain, or basically anywhere, brazil, or basically anywhere with sunny climate. with a hot and sunny climate. you'd why they'd want to. you'd see why they'd want to. i can understand it. yeah. i mean, listen, if you're being told by your there's no to your boss, there's no need to come into the office. you can work from home five days a week, maybe come once a month. yes. maybe come in once a month. yes. yeah, absolutely. why not go to your friend's house in sardinia or is? i think or wherever it is? but i think you have good friends. yeah, well, i'd like. much well, i'd like. i'd very much like those friends, it's a like those friends, but it's a random i'm sure random example. but i'm not sure it's the best thing for taxpayers. >> no. well, this has happened across all sorts of across the board. all sorts of companies and corporations are now suggesting the now sort of suggesting since the pandemic, be pandemic, people should be working from more. what working from home more. what does do, though, to a does that do, though, to a company of company to that sort of collegiate sense any collegiate sense within any particularly body like the particularly in a body like the civil yeah and civil service? yeah and interestingly, actually, of interestingly, actually, some of those companies are now starting to you're seeing even zoom >> you're seeing even zoom actually asked their employees to come back into the office, which not a ringing which is not a ringing indictment their indictment of their own software. listen, software. no. so i think listen, clearly, working has clearly, high hybrid working has a place in society. clearly, the pandemic that pandemic did demonstrate that things done with some things could be done with some hybnd things could be done with some hybrid but hybrid working. but nevertheless, take nevertheless, if you take a local example, local council, for example, you need that local

need people in that local council understand issues council to understand the issues of their area. sometimes you actually them in the actually need them in the office. you that office. so, you know that they're picking phones. they're picking up the phones. and think there does need and so i think there does need to be a a little bit of to be a bit a little bit of a course correction some of course correction on some of this stuff. >> it's slightly more important when to whitehall as when it comes to whitehall as opposed just some opposed to just some corporations bodies or corporations or bodies or companies. corporations or bodies or conwhether it's whitehall, but >> whether it's whitehall, but also i mean also local councils. i mean whitehall deal things like whitehall deal with things like benefits, you know, benefits, immigration, you know, i for example, we've i mean, take for example, we've had a crisis recently with a prisoner had prisoner escaping. we've had cnses prisoner escaping. we've had crises like crises in places like afghanistan, and we've afghanistan, and what we've found or in the education department and what we've found when those when we look at some of those departments are going departments that are going through we're through these crises, we're finding to of staff finding that 40 to 50% of staff are during the weeks that are in during the weeks that these are happening. yes. these crises are happening. yes. and wonder, you know, and you do wonder, you know, when in an emergency when you're in an emergency situation and you're thinking when you're in an emergency situireally|nd you're thinking when you're in an emergency situireally need»u're thinking when you're in an emergency situireally need»u'rdial nking when you're in an emergency situireally need»u'rdial upng you really need to dial up productivity and sure it's productivity and make sure it's all it really all hands on deck, is it really appropriate of that appropriate that half of that very expensive office that taxpayers paying is taxpayers are paying for is empty ? empty? >> yeah. and also, you know, you have to be kept abreast of things often that just comes things and often that just comes through day conversation through day to day conversation within i mean,

within the office. i mean, that's really the reason. the other studies to other thing is studies seem to be suggesting working from be suggesting that working from home, abuse that home, well, people abuse that system. in system. people spend time in bed, play computer bed, they they play computer games and it sounds flippant, but it seems to be confirmed that this is the case. i guess that's just human nature. >> it absolutely is. ultimately, if you know that your boss is not to see what you're not going to see what you're doing, and if you know that, you can a basic minimum can demonstrate a basic minimum level yes, hit level of competence and yes, hit a couple of the key kpis, the natural thing to do is to think, okay, maybe i don't need to go to the extra mile, because ultimately they're not going to see and think in see anyway. yes and i think in particular, when you at the particular, when you look at the council abroad work, you council staff abroad work, you know, council staff know, there's one council staff member, that was member, for example, that was allowed from spain from allowed to work from spain from june to august, two summers running. and you're really wondering, is that actually necessary? to wondering, is that actually ne well, exactly. >> there will be >> and listen, there will be cases where, you know, maybe you're a senior member of you're a very senior member of staff taking annual you're a very senior member of staff you taking annual you're a very senior member of staff you want taking annual you're a very senior member of staff you want to king annual you're a very senior member of staff you want to be] annual you're a very senior member of staff you want to be able ual you're a very senior member of staff you want to be able to. leave. you want to be able to log on just to keep an eye on

things and actually. fine. fair enough. or maybe going to enough. or maybe you're going to see an family member and you see an ill family member and you don't them to don't want to force them to take annual and they can do annual leave and they can do a bit of work. so there is you know, as with all of these things, hybrid, working, working from abroad, working from home, there from abroad, working from home, therclearly, know, we're but clearly, you know, we're giving public giving particularly public sectors, inch sectors, workers an inch and they're taking mile they're very much taking a mile at the moment. >> and have you had any particular fallout particular feedback or fallout from on the daily from your article on the daily mail front how have mail front cover? how have people have had some people say >> we have had some people say that they think it's a great thing councils allow this, thing that councils allow this, that these councils that it makes these councils a very place to work, very attractive place to work, which extent does. which to some extent it does. but that mean it's good but that doesn't mean it's good for residents. that doesn't mean it's taxpayers. and it's good for taxpayers. and ultimately absolute ultimately a council's absolute priority, whitehall's absolute priority. the public sector's priority. the public sector's priority be the people priority has to be the people that and not people that fund and not the people that fund and not the people that work that simply work there. >> just strikes me that it's >> it just strikes me that it's not good particularly not good pr and particularly when this story about when you have this story about on the hottest day on wednesday, the hottest day when civil just didn't when civil servants just didn't bother going, not didn't bother, but from home but they were working from home or were at the, you know, or they were at the, you know, the pub in the beer garden. let's you know, that

let's be honest, you know, that kind thing, particularly with kind of thing, particularly with the think with civil the i think with the civil service, civil service, because the civil service, because the civil service mistry listed service, because the civil servseen mistry listed service, because the civil serv seen to mistry listed service, because the civil servseen to be mistry listed service, because the civil serv seen to be overlyry listed and seen to be overly politicised and not doing politicised and not really doing its you think its job. yeah. do you think that's fair? >> well, i mean, listen, personally i was very keen to go into the office last week because had air conditioning because we had air conditioning and of in an and so the idea of being in an air conditioned room was a treat. now a lot of those civil service departments will have treat. now a lot of those civil serconditioning. ants will have treat. now a lot of those civil serconditioning. ifts will have treat. now a lot of those civil serconditioning. if they're|ave treat. now a lot of those civil serconditioning. if they're not air conditioning. if they're not going office. you're going into the office. you're actually they actually wondering, are they sitting and stuffy sitting in their hot and stuffy flat yes, whatever flat house? yes, whatever it is? or they maybe, you know, or are they maybe, you know, taking taking their phone taking the taking their phone with the park with their emails to the park or, with their emails to the park on you with their emails to the park or, you say, to the beer or, as you say, to the beer garden. it does really make you wonder. >> and people it does generate particular resentment, i think, when who work when it comes to people who work in kinds yeah when it comes to people who work in and kinds yeah when it comes to people who work in and listen, yeah when it comes to people who work in and listen, it's yeah when it comes to people who work in and listen, it's i yeah when it comes to people who work in and listen, it's i don't|h >> and listen, it's i don't think this would anywhere think this would be anywhere near a problem if near as much of a problem if services were actually being run really people really well. you know, people could appointment if could get a gp appointment if the when the police turned up. when you called and actually, called them and actually, you know, i'm know, investigated crimes, i'm not a not sure this would be a scandal, but there's a sense that we have a 70 year high tax burden like burden on point. we always like to the same time, to make. but at the same time, services to be running at

services seem to be running at their lowest for quite services seem to be running at their itime. for quite services seem to be running at their itime. there'srite services seem to be running at their itime. there'srit there's services seem to be running at timismatch. there'sritthere's services seem to be running at timismatch. therethatthere's services seem to be running at timismatch. therethatth sort a mismatch. there is that a sort of problem terms of endemic problem in terms of efficiency think can be efficiency that you think can be resolved it be resolved and how can it be resolved? think one of resolved? well, i think one of the first things we need do the first things we need to do is we to at is we need to look at traditional working practises, the produce traditional working practises, the efficient, produce traditional working practises, theefficient, relatively produce an efficient, relatively better run of run public sector and some of those quite those things are actually quite fundamental. you fundamental. it's just. are you in office? and listen, in the office? yes. and listen, as said, you know, maybe maybe as i said, you know, maybe maybe people home people can work from home 1 or 2 days week. think , you days a week. but i think, you know, those of people know, those sorts of people that, know, for that, you know, go in for an afternoon fortnight , i afternoon once a fortnight, i think that's where we do need to start making amends. >> right . well, >> absolutely. all right. well, elliot, much elliot, thank you so much for joining . and next on free joining me. and next on free speech nation, as elon musk threatens to sue the anti—defamation league, i'll be asking, is the. no. i won't be asking, is the. no. i won't be asking whether the twitter owner is an anti—semite. but has he been accused of anti—semitism ? been accused of anti—semitism? and implications? and what are the implications? but let's get your latest but first, let's get your latest weather . weather. >> looks like things are heating up, boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news.

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>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle followers of the billionaire elon musk will be familiar with his latest threats to sue the adl. the anti—defamation league . this comes after he accused

the us based civil rights group, which regularly campaigns against antisemit ism and other forms of bigotry of trying to kill his ex social media platform. formerly known as twitter. so to discuss this, i'm joined by social commentator yosef david. welcome to the show . so firstly, for those who don't know, what does the anti—defamation league do? >> so this is an organisation that was founded over 100 years ago. the time it was to ago. at the time it was to tackle defamation in print, but now things have moved on and they map and track anti—semitism as well as other forms of racism , with the idea that they can advise and lead government organised actions with a response to hate. >> now the stories that have been circulating on social media would seem to imply that the adl have insinuated that elon musk is anti—semitic, but they haven't actually made any such statement, have they? >> in they've recently >> in fact, they've recently come said that come out and said that they don't that the platform don't believe that the platform twitter x is anti—semitic. twitter or x is anti—semitic. and similarly , they don't

and similarly, they don't believe that elon musk himself is anti semitic. be is anti semitic. it should be noted musk has referred to noted that musk has referred to himself a pro semite . okay. himself as a pro semite. okay. >> it's really. thank you for >> so it's really. thank you for clarifying that. it's clarifying that. and it's really, what's really, really clear what's going on here insofar as musk takes twitter. says that going on here insofar as musk takes revenue:er. says that going on here insofar as musk takes revenue is. says that going on here insofar as musk takes revenue is dropping that the ad revenue is dropping drastically by billions and billions of dollars, and he suggests that this is because advertisers are withdrawing , advertisers are withdrawing, because they have been advised that hate speech has escalated on the platform . now, on the platform. now, personally, haven't seen this personally, i haven't seen this escalation on escalation of hate speech on twitter , but is it fair to twitter, but is it fair to ascribe this or to say that the adl are culpable for that perception ? perception? >> i think it will be incredibly difficult thing for musk to prove . i know that in the past, prove. i know that in the past, the adl has asked for a cessation in advertising when trump was reinstated. yes. so there is form in this area. trump was reinstated. yes. so there is form in this area . now. there is form in this area. now. i very much hope that musk does not sue the adl. it doesn't it doesn't look good to sue when he's talking about like $22 billion. >> he wants off them. or he says that's a as a minimum.

>> my feeling that a >> my feeling is that it's a shot the bow that he's shot across the bow that he's trying to the trying he's trying to get the adl other rights adl and other civil rights organisations change tact and organisations to change tact and to advise as opposed to try and implement their will on public bodies . bodies. >> so that's a very interesting point that you raised there, because there have been a lot of instances civil rights instances where civil rights bodies aclu , for bodies such as the aclu, for instance, appear have been instance, appear to have been kind captured. kind of ideologically captured. so they no longer fulfil the function they were up function they were set up to fulfil. the adl has been accused of not, for instance, turning a blind eye to anti—semitism when it appears on the left , for it appears on the left, for instance. that's one example. they've been promoting books such as kendi book how such as ibram x kendi book how not to be an anti—racist or robin diangelo's book, white fragility, very kind of identitarian acts , wokeist identitarian acts, wokeist points of view . it's not. it points of view. it's not. it would seem as though or at least those are the accusations that the adl really isn't doing what it's meant to do. >> well , i it's meant to do. >> well, i think it's important to note that this is an organisation with a great deal of utility.

>> they've done a lot of good work in the past in tracking hate . i think it's fair to say hate. i think it's fair to say that in recent years the adl has started itself as the started describing itself as the world's anti—hate world's foremost anti—hate organisation , an almost moving organisation, an almost moving away anti—semitic . i'm away from anti—semitic. i'm trying all things to all trying to give all things to all people in doing so, it's people and in doing so, it's very possible that they might push to the side to marginalise some of their own people , some some of their own people, some jewish republicans or people who maybe are centre right. yes, it definitely appears to me that people who and it's not just the adl but civil rights organisations in general seem to, to target and to highlight. are people who are on the centre right. so the problem with a lot of these kinds of things is how do define hate ? do we define hate? >> gets define hate >> who gets to define hate speech? think that they speech? the adl think that they can it , but speech? the adl think that they can it, but then all can define it, but then all sorts of people get caught in sorts of people get caught up in that you a very that net. i'll give you a very specific there's specific example. there's a twitter account account twitter account or account called the adl called libs of tiktok. the adl have added this body, this this

group to their website saying that this is problematic, that it set up to attack the it is set up to attack the lgbtq+ community. this is a this is a twitter account run by an orthodox jewish woman . it seems orthodox jewish woman. it seems strange. i mean, i've i've seen a lot of the tweets from libs of tiktok . there's no attempt to tiktok. there's no attempt to stir up hatred against the lgbtq+ community, whatever that is. that doesn't exist there. what does is it posts actual what it does is it posts actual footage of activists saying what activists say . and so if the adl activists say. and so if the adl can interpret that as hate, i don't think it is. can interpret that as hate, i don't think it is . who's right? don't think it is. who's right? >> well , now, elon don't think it is. who's right? >> well, now, elon musk describes himself as a free speech fundamentalist. >> he's made no secret of that. and he's taken over the platform and tried to push it toward as towards a free speech approach. yes. now, that means necessarily that me as a consumer, i am more likely to come across content that i would find offensive. yes. now, everything in life comes with positives and negatives. i'm i'm very much not going to celebrate the fact that that i'm seeing offensive

content at times, but i'm also not going to lament the fact that twitter is no longer moderated forever , basically by moderated forever, basically by 2 or 3000 vegan sandal wearing activists in california . activists in california. >> yes, because they've got a specific worldview by which they mean it's a very , very narrow mean it's a very, very narrow section of society and their worldview is almost monolithic . worldview is almost monolithic. >> it's incredible to believe that they were tasked with moderating the content for hundreds of people hundreds of millions of people globally have different opinions. >> that's very interesting. and i've spoken of feminine i've spoken to a lot of feminine sites on program who had sites on this program who had their accounts removed their twitter accounts removed and not because they'd said anything from it, anything hateful. far from it, but because they'd expressed gender critical views that at the time owners of twitter the time the owners of twitter and worked in and the people who worked in twitter didn't approve of. so in other censorship, other words, it was censorship, really on the basis of viewpoint? really on the basis of vieiwell t? really on the basis of vieiwell ,? really on the basis of vieiwell , i think people who >> well, i think people who advocate for censorship and i know it's a strong word , but i know it's a strong word, but i think where we're going. think that's where we're going. >> would promulgate the >> they would promulgate the idea that we have balance idea that we have to balance freedom of speech with having an open and tolerant society. yes.

now i'm here to say that idea is erroneous. have erroneous. you cannot have an open, society without open, free society without freedom of speech. myself as a member of a minority community, we i couldn't thrive in this country without freedom of speech freedom of speech and freedom of expression. like you expression. and it's like you said, express said, for someone to express themselves , to be themselves as a feminist, to be told that they are expressing hate. it just goes to show that what's on side of the coin what's on one side of the coin and very acceptable and is very acceptable to one person completely offensive person is completely offensive to the other, which is why a freedom of speech approach, i think is best for us think is the best pillar for us to lean on. >> yes. >> yes. >> because, you know , the >> because, you know, the consequence of having free speech horrible people speech is some horrible people are say horrible are going to say horrible things. block things. twitter has a block function can remove all function so you can remove all of that. at the moment, of that. well, at the moment, elon thinking elon strange is thinking of getting but what do getting rid of that. but what do you has gone wrong you think has gone wrong in terms of these civil rights bodies? i mean, the aclu defended of to march defended the right of to march in skokie . i inaya of the aclu in skokie. i inaya of the aclu wrote a book called defending my enemy. he was saying as a jewish man, he wanted to defend them because hates anti—semitism because he hates anti—semitism and wants to defeat it. in terms

of marketplace of ideas, of the marketplace of ideas, what's happened to that ideal? >> possible to >> well, it is possible to advocate for an open society to the extent that you have to actually marginalise those people who you don't think are in favour of diversity. yeah. so what we're seeing is civil rights organisations that were set up with the functioning of serving a particular purpose, making their scope so broad that they can't actually do the job that they were initially tasked with. >> yes. and i suppose when it comes to hate, in particular unesco and all sorts of bodies have said it simply cannot be defined. we have hate speech laws across different laws across europe in different countries , and no one can agree countries, and no one can agree what it means. countries, and no one can agree what it means . ultimately, what it means. ultimately, doesn't back to this doesn't it come back to this point that if have point that if you have moderators deciding what hate means , if you have the adl or means, if you have the adl or the aclu defining what hate means, if you have governments defining what hate means, it's going very subjective. and going to be very subjective. and that will open to exploitation. >> yes, i think need to draw >> yes, i think we need to draw the at direct threats. the line at direct threats. right. incitement right. and it's quite easily done. yes.

it's very possible that the content that is on twitter now is quite different to what was being put out before. yes but any rational complaint about the content moderation now needs to take into to account that the moderation was woeful prior? yes it was just it was just targeted ing a right wing author on twitter rather than someone with a left wing. >> so you don't have much truck with the idea that hate speech has exploded on the platform. >> x or twitter since elon musk took over? >> would say that there's >> no, i would say that there's more content that i would possibly find controversial , but possibly find controversial, but it doesn't serve society to remove from our consumption an anything which is offensive in actual fact, it means that we're less able to deal with it. >> very interesting. joseph david, thank you so much for joining you very david, thank you so much for joiningappreciate you very david, thank you so much for joiningappreciate it you very david, thank you so much for joiningappreciate it . you very david, thank you so much for joiningappreciate it. so you very david, thank you so much for joiningappreciate it . so afterlery much. appreciate it. so after the break on free speech nation, a cyclist wins a defamation case over a viral video. big brother

is back and the boss of ryanair gets pied in the face. it's almost time for social sensations

on mark dolan tonight. >> i'll be joined by sophie ottaway , who was born a boy ottaway, who was born a boy before surgeons removed her reproductive organs and made her a girl. all of this was kept from her for years . she tells from her for years. she tells her incredible story tonight from . from. nine welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. >> so it's time for social sensations as we take a look at some of the clips that have gone viral week. first is some of the clips that have gone viralvideo./eek. first is some of the clips that have gone viralvideo. aek. first is some of the clips that have gone viralvideo. a cyclistt is some of the clips that have gone viralvideo. a cyclist whois some of the clips that have gone viralvideo. a cyclist who need a this video. a cyclist who need a five year old girl to the ground on christmas day because she was blocking his path . he's now blocking his path. he's now successfully sued her father because he shared the viral

footage . footage. hey now, apparently he was completely unrepentant. so the father caught up with him and he was just completely was was totally fine with it. i don't think that's to knee a girl think that's fine to knee a girl in. it's assault. it's assault . in. it's assault. it's assault. right. but now he's sued the father because the seemed father because the court seemed to that the fact that this to think that the fact that this was shared virally meant that he was shared virally meant that he was enough . and. was humiliated enough. and. yeah, and so now he's got he's got some money. so basically, if you a child , you can get you kick a child, you can get money for it. >> i mean, don't get me wrong, we've all been tempted, but you just wouldn't do it. >> thoughts. >> my thoughts. >> my thoughts. >> that he was >> well, he says that he was going off balance and the only way he could get out was to stick and it just stick his leg out. and it just so was so happened that there was a child was just child where his leg was just that child was wearing quite a protective suit. that child was wearing quite a proyes. le suit. that child was wearing quite a proyes. and suit. that child was wearing quite a proyes. and thankfully, the >> yes. and thankfully, the child wasn't injured . child wasn't injured. >> we should say. the child is absolutely fine. >> is this only come out

now? >> it's unseasonal. oh, we're just the end the just enjoying the end of the summer . we've summer. no, we've been threatened christmas. threatened with christmas. >> i think it's probably taken a long have argument . long time to have the argument. >> been a long >> yeah, this has been a long court case. okay, well, next up, we got this video. this is ryanair chairman michael o'leary gets a pie in the face. these are belgian eco activists. and but apparently after this happened, he made a joke . he happened, he made a joke. he said, well, the cream is better in ireland. let's have a look. >> welcome in belgium . the >> welcome in belgium. the pollution of the place . pollution of the place. >> well done . >> well done. >> well done. >> oh, sorry, jemmy. >> oh, sorry, jemmy. >> one happy? >> one happy? >> okay . what do you think, >> okay. what do you think, bruce? >> do you know what really rips my knitting about any of these activists is the waste of food that they're throwing tins of soup paintings , mouldy old cream soup paintings, mouldy old cream cakes at. well, men that want to apparently have a standing

section in a plane. >> yeah. yeah is that what ryanair wants? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> no, i remember watching it, but all they do is waste food and. >> yeah, they do, don't they . what's. >> well, they are silly billies, aren't they? i mean it's not okay. we've just been talking about assaulting five year olds. it's better is it? it's not much better is it? >> really not. >> no, it's really not. >> no, it's really not. >> . and, you know, there >> okay. and, you know, there was remember? that was that. do you remember? that was that. do you remember? that was a spate milkshaking where was a spate of milkshaking where people would throw milkshakes at political figures they disagreed with. have an with. why don't just have an argument, just say, i argument, you know, just say, i disagree this why disagree with you. this is why let's conversation rather let's have a conversation rather than pie. i could than throwing a pie. i could throw face, bruce, throw a pie in your face, bruce, but anywhere. but we wouldn't get anywhere. >> you'd eat it >> i'd eat it. you'd eat it before hit your face. before it hit your face. >> that would be quite impressive . your mouth would impressive. your mouth would open like a cobra. absolutely >> yeah. >> yeah. >> viper. yeah. >> a viper. yeah. >> a viper. yeah. >> would ingest it? >> and you would ingest it? >> and you would ingest it? >> pie. >> take that pie. >> take that pie. >> i mean, is. yeah, they >> i mean, this is. yeah, they just to stop assaulting just need to stop assaulting people assault. people because it is assault. even assault. even though it's a pie, it's not doing anything for the cause, it? pie, it's not doing anything for the and;e, it? pie, it's not doing anything for the and also, it? pie, it's not doing anything for the and also, they don't know if >> and also, they don't know if he's lactose. >> a very good point . so >> that's a very good point. so he have died. that could he could have died. that could have an act of terrorism. have been an act of terrorism. >> have gone into

>> he could have gone into anaphylactic shock with a substandard anaphylactic shock with a subthereard are . let's move on >> there we are. let's move on to this story. big brother is returning . the first trailer was returning. the first trailer was released this week. let's have a look . look. >> dun da dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no . de de de de de no, no, no, no. de de de de de de de de . de de de de de de de de de de. de de de de de de de de de de. de de de de de de de de de de. de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de de. go to 17 pm. erg and will are in the trailer butchering a classic big brother sees it all the ultimate social experiment returns october itv2 and returns this october on itv2 and itv it's only the most itv x well, it's only the most annoying advert i've ever seen. >> . >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> i'm watching that now. >> i'm watching that now. >> coming back. >> big brother coming back. but it's itv now it's coming back to itv now because out because it started out at channel then to channel 4, then it went to channel 4, then it went to channel just channel five. now it's itv. just keep around. you know? keep moving it around. you know? isn't it past its by isn't it past its sell by date now really so its sell by. >> i remember when it started by. >> ii'emember when it started by. >> ii was mber when it started by. >> ii was lookingien it started by. >> ii was looking at it started by. >> ii was looking at doing rted and i was looking at doing psychology university

psychology at university at the time excited. i was time and i was so excited. i was going this amazing going to be this amazing social experiment. it's to experiment. it's going to be really interesting. no, it's women no, not. women in bikinis. no, it's not. it's not what i thought it was going to be. >> well, that, but then >> well, you say that, but then the big brother became the celebrity big brother became quite demystified because it demystified the nofion because it demystified the notion know, because it demystified the notof| know, because it demystified the notof| sudden know, because it demystified the notof| sudden you know, because it demystified the notof| sudden you had> applied what you've >> i've applied what you've appued >> i've applied what you've applied for this new series. >> i haven't heard anything . >> i haven't heard anything. >> i haven't heard anything. >> wait a minute now, bruce, aren't you meant to submit like aren't you meant to submit like a video of yourself or something? >> no, i did. you did? yeah. >> no, i did. you did? yeah. >> that's next week. social sensation . sensation. >> and they ask you, have you done telly? right i've done done any telly? right i've done gb news. that's maybe why they're not letting me on. >> say no, actually, they should let you . let you. >> i would love to see the video that you we should play that

next would be very next week. that would be very interesting. what do interesting. what did you do in the the audition? interesting. what did you do in the want the audition? interesting. what did you do in the want to the audition? interesting. what did you do in the want to the aoh,ion? interesting. what did you do in the want to the aoh, don't be. don't want to see. oh, don't be. you bashful after you can't be bashful after everything you've said tonight. >> just speak my truth. >> well, just speak my truth. >> well, just speak my truth. >> you me? >> how dare you trust me? >> how dare you trust me? >> would you ever >> unbelievable. would you ever go on it? >> chris skudder? no. no way. >> chris skudder? no. no way. >> want to be of the women >> i want to be one of the women in bikini . in a bikini. >> i do, baby. i'd go in with you . >> i do, baby. i'd go in with you. i'd find that you >> i do, baby. i'd go in with you . i'd find that you could go you. i'd find that you could go in together get drunk. in together, get very drunk. it would well, problem would all be well, the problem with people like. with this is people like. >> is that people >> the truth is that people forget. forget they're forget. they forget they're on camera drunk. forget. they forget they're on can but drunk. forget. they forget they're on can but we drunk. forget. they forget they're on can but we forgot drunk. forget. they forget they're on can but we forgot we drunk. forget. they forget they're on can but we forgot we were > and i don't want you to be televised drunk because, televised getting drunk because, you that's not going to be you know, that's not going to be family friendly. >> that finish >> i think that would finish my mum think really i mum off. i think really i probably would. he could cope anyway. >> i don't think i'm going be >> i don't think i'm going to be

watching big watching this new series of big brother. this the watching this new series of big brotiof. this the watching this new series of big brotiof the this the watching this new series of big brotiof the show this the watching this new series of big brotiof the show where the watching this new series of big brotiof the show where we he watching this new series of big brotiof the show where we talk part of the show where we talk through all of your unfiltered dilemmas. i'm very grateful through all of your unfiltered dile emailing n very grateful through all of your unfiltered dile emailing n vevery atefulwith you emailing in every week with your .i you emailing in every week with your . i don't your personal problems. i don't think very good at solving your personal problems. i don't think but very good at solving your personal problems. i don't think but we'll good at solving your personal problems. i don't think but we'll tryod at solving your personal problems. i don't think but we'll try thist solving your personal problems. i don't think but we'll try this week. 1g them, but we'll try this week. we we've got a dilemma we will. so we've got a dilemma here clapham , and here from gail in clapham, and gail says, it wrong that i gail says, is it wrong that i found the escaped prisoner really hot? oh, gail , come found the escaped prisoner really hot? oh, gail, come on now . this is daniel really hot? oh, gail, come on now. this is daniel khalife . you now. this is daniel khalife. you find him fascinating , don't you, find him fascinating, don't you, chris? not in a sexual way. >> it's fascinating because of the glueing yourself to a van wallace and gromit escape. i think hilarious. yeah, think that's hilarious. yeah, that's he's that's quite funny. he's attractive. that's quite funny. he's attithat's not my thing. 12. that's not my thing. >> and also, he was in prison for making fake bomb. not even >> and also, he was in prison foreal|king fake bomb. not even >> and also, he was in prison foreal bomb. fake bomb. not even >> and also, he was in prison foreal bomb. yes. bomb. not even >> and also, he was in prison foreal bomb. yes. you 1b. not even >> and also, he was in prison foreal bomb. yes. you know,t even >> and also, he was in prison foreal bomb. yes. you know, ieven a real bomb. yes. you know, i mean, what's that all about? >> , great. so it's about >> well, great. so it's about your choices. >> gail, isn't gail allowed to find whoever the heart wants? what it wants? isn't that the case? >>i case? >> i find it extraordinary. there's a woman called gail that lives because only lives in clapham because only men clapham . men that live in clapham. >> i'm sure gail isn't making it up . or maybe she's using

up. or maybe she's using a pseudonym. actually, that would make could be morag. pseudonym. actually, that would make could could be morag. pseudonym. actually, that would make could be ould be morag. pseudonym. actually, that would make could be morag. morag. >> it could be morag. it probably morag, is probably is morag, which is a name. to we need to name. we need to we need to bnng name. we need to we need to bring back. okay. we've got bring that back. okay. we've got a dilemma lacey. lacey, a dilemma now from lacey. lacey, is that a real name? apparently. okay my partner keeps insisting i watch the rugby world cup with him. any good excuses? i can use to get out of it? it's a difficult isn't it? because difficult one, isn't it? because this is the problem. you have partnerships and the partnerships and one of the partnerships and one of the partners on watching partners insists on watching a sport just sport and the other one just doesn't and this doesn't care. yes and this happens a lot, doesn't happens quite a lot, doesn't it? oh, it does. >> once went out with somebody oh, it does. >> played/ent out with somebody oh, it does. >> played/ent outand�*n somebody oh, it does. >> played/ent outand i somebody oh, it does. >> played/ent outand i agreed»dy that played cricket and i agreed to after agreed to go and only after i'd agreed did out that cricket is did i find out that cricket is seven hours long. it's so long they meal. oh yeah. they stop for a meal. oh yeah. >> no, cricket goes on for weeks. have idea. >> no, cricket goes on for weeyeah,have idea. >> no, cricket goes on for weeyeah, i'me idea. >> no, cricket goes on for weeyeah, i'm not idea. >> no, cricket goes on for weeyeah, i'm not wag. >> no, cricket goes on for weeyeah, i'm not wag material >> yeah, i'm not wag material how many matches i want it in minutes. you know, maybe they could negotiate 30 minutes a week. maybe >> i think she should just scream. i will not be oppressed. and i want an air fryer. i've mentioned think mentioned them before. i think the what she the fantastic. that's what she should really is under should do. she really is under the i can actually feel the cloche. i can actually feel that suffering. the cloche. i can actually feel thayeah suffering. the cloche. i can actually feel tha yeah , suffering. the cloche. i can actually feel tha yeah , itjffering. the cloche. i can actually feel tha yeah , it isaring. the cloche. i can actually feel tha yeah , it is a ng. the cloche. i can actually feel

tha yeah , it is a form of >> yeah, it is a form of oppression. it's hellish. it's very much a first world problem. oppression. it's hellish. it's very anyway, first world problem. oppression. it's hellish. it's veryanyway, so st world problem. oppression. it's hellish. it's veryanyway, so yeah, ld problem. oppression. it's hellish. it's very anyway, so yeah, just �*oblem. oppression. it's hellish. it's very anyway, so yeah, just tellem. but anyway, so yeah, just tell him you don't like rugby. >> just be honest. just be honest . honest. >> that's. that's the key to lacey. >> stop wasting our time, okay? >> stop wasting our time, okay? >> and our final dilemma this week was coming from rick, but it's rick. just rac. i don't trust that there should be a k on that, but never mind. rick says. cheeky, skinny dip says. i had a cheeky, skinny dip in tub this week . caught in my hot tub this week. caught a nosy neighbour taking pics from their window when i got out. what do i say? i think you say that's illegal, isn't it, neighbour? you can't just take photographs of people naked. neighbour? you can't just take pthhonehs of people naked. neighbour? you can't just take pthhone call: people naked. neighbour? you can't just take phc phone call to aople naked. neighbour? you can't just take phc phone call to thee naked. neighbour? you can't just take phc phone call to the police d. >> phone call to the police though well though isn't there. that's well i for there's the i mean for one there's the question really be question of should you really be naked in a public place? >> is it a public place? is it about gardens? >> presumably i wouldn't take any chances. public enough any chances. it's public enough that that. rick but also, how do how does >> but also, how do you how does your justify this? your neighbour justify this? because is such because if the neighbour is such a you or they a voyeur, how do you or did they were trying it in secret? >> i think what we're not being told here is what has previously happened hot tub that has happened in the hot tub that has aroused right . aroused suspicion right. >> so maybe some kind of thing

had place before. sorry had taken place before. sorry rick, judging you. rick, but am judging you. i mean, tub . mean, a hot tub. >> wow. yes nouveau riche. so this time of year, no one wants a hot tub in this heat. >> well, no, no, but it just goes to show you have to have good neighbours. >> really. have have >> really. you have to have neighbours trust, >> really. you have to have neighboyou trust, >> really. you have to have neighboyou can trust, >> really. you have to have neighboyou can borrow trust, >> really. you have to have neighboyou can borrow things people. you can borrow things from, like kylie, like kylie. does good neighbours? from, like kylie, like kylie. doel good neighbours? from, like kylie, like kylie. doel think good neighbours? from, like kylie, like kylie. doel think so. good neighbours? >> i think so. >> i think so. >> obsessed with >> you're just obsessed with them and odes? >> you're just obsessed with the yes,|d odes? >> you're just obsessed with the yes, he>des? >> you're just obsessed with the yes, he really is. >> yes, he really is. >> yes, he really is. >> you have neighbour. >> you have good neighbour. >> you have good neighbour. >> boat. >> you have good neighbour. >> well, boat. >> you have good neighbour. >> well, i boat. >> you have good neighbour. >> well, i have.oat. >> well, i have. >> well, i have. >> i have no neighbours. they are pretty good. yeah. >> is you live on boat. >> change it. well, it's one of the perks. i mean, i want to go back to land desperately. imagine a hair dryer and a microwave. when go back to microwave. but when i go back to land, concerned. and who am land, i am concerned. and who am i next door to? i going to live next door to? will hot tub? i going to live next door to? will really hot tub? i going to live next door to? will really love hot tub? i going to live next door to? will really love hotidea’ i going to live next door to? will really love hotidea of >> i really love this idea of you. coming back to land >> i really love this idea of y(|t's coming back to land >> i really love this idea of y(|t's really:oming back to land >> i really love this idea of y(|t's really funny| back to land >> i really love this idea of y(|t's really funny idea. to land >> i really love this idea of y(|t's really funny idea. i'mland ? it's a really funny idea. i'm so sorry, but have run so sorry, bruce, but we have run out time . i'm so sorry, bruce, but we have run out time. i'm sorry about that. >> but thank you. >> but thank you. >> like my neighbourjudith. >> like my neighbourjudith. >> we go. shout out for >> there we go. shout out for judith, whoever that is. thank you joining for you for joining us for free speech week speech nation. this was the week when ranked the when harvard was ranked the

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