the uk and bmw have now confirmed that production of their new electric cars will happenin their new electric cars will happen in the uk. great news, but i can't help but notice the uk government surely has been handing over money, hand over fist to help them make that decision . how much do you think decision. how much do you think us taxpayers should be subsidising private profit making businesses .7 and speaking making businesses? and speaking of business, i want to ask about workforces. these new anti—strike laws. are they anti—democratic? that is what they've been called. and the cost of rent is on the rise as

it's now being called loudly that we need to introduce rent capsin that we need to introduce rent caps in this country. do we? we've got it all to come and more. but before we get into it, let's grab tonight's latest headunes let's grab tonight's latest headlines with tatiana sanchez . headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> michelle, thank you very much. and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom . the latest from the newsroom. the prime minister has told the house of commons the sanctity of westminster must be protected following chinese spy allegations . it following chinese spy allegations. it comes following chinese spy allegations . it comes after an allegations. it comes after an unnamed parliament researcher who was arrested in march issued a statement saying he is completely innocent . rishi completely innocent. rishi sunak, who's been facing calls to designate china as a national security threat, told mps such actions will not be tolerated. the whole house is rightly appalled about reports of espionage in this building. >> the sanctity of this place must be protected and the right of members to speak their minds

without fear or sanction must be maintained. we will defend our democracy and our security . so democracy and our security. so i was emphatic with premier li that actions which seek to undermine british democracy are completely unacceptable and will never be tolerated . never be tolerated. >> the deputy prime minister says china represents a systemic challenge to the uk , say it challenge to the uk, say it remains an absolute priority for the government to take all necessary steps to protect the united kingdom from any foreign state activity which seeks to undermine our national security. >> prospere unity and democratic values. the government has been clear that china represents a systemic challenge to the united kingdom and to our values. >> labour leader sir keir starmer has called on the prime minister to reveal what he knew and when.

>> china is a strategic challenge. that's for sure. and what we need is a policy that is clear and is settled. now we haven't had that for the last ten years. we've had division and inconsistency from this government. but i think this morning there's a very big question now for the prime minister, which is, was this raised when these arrests took place back in march or has it only been raised now that it's come into the public domain? i think that's the central question that needs to be answered by prime minister today. >> in other news, gb news sources have confirmed terror suspect daniel khalife has been taken to belmarsh high security prison. the 21 year old appeared in court today , charged after in court today, charged after escaping from wandsworth prison last week. he was arrested on saturday after a four day manhunt . westminster magistrates manhunt. westminster magistrates court was told the former soldier allegedly escaped by strapping himself to a food delivery vehicle using material which may have been bedsheets. khalife disappeared while awaiting trial after being

charged with terror offences in january . the charged with terror offences in january. the home charged with terror offences in january . the home secretary charged with terror offences in january. the home secretary is pushing to ban american bully dogs, arguing there are clear and lethal danger, particularly to children. a warning we're about to show you video of a man being chased and attacked by a dog which some viewers may find distressing. suella braverman says she's commissioned an urgent advice following attacks over the weekend. video was recorded of a number of people being chased by an american bully xl in birmingham. an 11 year old girl was also injured after being attacked in the city on saturday. >> so i run across the road. is a little girl on the floor and there's a arm was all the arm was all and everything all down on one side of her face. and everything. and also this dog was biting people . was biting people. >> and then he ran over to the petrol station, run over here. >> i kicked on one bloke because obviously he got bit as well. he got he was filling up his car

like usual, diesel just on the floor. he dropped on the floor, dragged him out the car dropped on the floor, beat him, took chunks out of all of his body with an eyewitness describing the scene there. >> the number of people killed dunng >> the number of people killed during the earthquake in morocco has climbed to almost 2500, but it's feared that figure will continue to rise . british search continue to rise. british search and rescue teams have been deployed to help with rescue efforts with 60 specialists, search dogs and equipment sent to the country . nearly 2500 to the country. nearly 2500 people were also injured when the 6.8 magnitude quake hit on . the 6.8 magnitude quake hit on. friday uk authorities have told gb news they're currently pursuing around 800 live terror investigations . as it's investigations. as it's understood the majority relate to lone individuals, but there are also more organised plots and threats from state actors . and threats from state actors. it comes 22 years after the 9/11 terror attack in which more than 2750 people were killed . pubs in

2750 people were killed. pubs in england and wales can continue selling takeaway pints as relaxed licencing rules have been extended. the rules were brought in to help pubs during covid lockdowns. pubs can keep on selling their pints until march 2025. they were meant to end this month after having been extended twice. police minister chris philp says it's vital that we do everything we can to support british pubs and some breaking news in the last few minutes. administrators have said a further 9100 wilco employees will be made redundant by early october. it comes after a last ditch bailout by hmv failed the company had been in discussions to buy around 200 stores. the first 24 outlets are now scheduled to shut their doors tomorrow . this is gb news doors tomorrow. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to . michelle

news. now it's back to. michelle thanks for tatiana michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. >> richard . you're my first >> richard. you're my first email of the day. you're saying, why are you standing in that position at the opening of your show? you look like you're doing a photoshoot for homes and gardens magazine. i confirm gardens magazine. i can confirm that i'm not auditioning for any magazine, quite frankly , just magazine, quite frankly, just mixing little bit, mixing it up a little bit, keeping your toes . keeping you all on your toes. anyway, i'm with you until 7:00 tonight. the ceo of first property group and the former brexit party mep, ben habib, alongside as is the former alongside me, as is the former adviser to jeremy corbyn. james schneider. evening to both adviser to jeremy corbyn. james sc you, ier. evening to both adviser to jeremy corbyn. james sc you, gents. evening to both adviser to jeremy corbyn. james scyou, gents. you1ening to both adviser to jeremy corbyn. james sc you, gents. you know to both adviser to jeremy corbyn. james sc you, gents. you know the both of you, gents. you know the drill as well, don't you? get in touch with me about whatever is on your mind tonight, quite frankly. it clean, frankly. but keep it clean, please. gb views gbnews.com is how hold of me. or you how you get hold of me. or you can tweet me at gb news. news now, top of the night, of now, top story of the night, of course, is china. but before i want to get on to that, i'm just looking back on those headlines there, intently to

there, listening intently to tatiana attack, the tatiana and that dog attack, the footage that you've just seen there. and i watched it in full, that footage. and it just it sent chills literally to my spine. absolutely horrific. and i've been thinking about it ever since i went on twitter to suella, of course, is saying that she's exploring whether or not it should these type of dogs should be banned, whether it's possible to ban them at all, because i think, as i understand it, they're not like just a simple breed, basically . see, simple breed, basically. see, i was saying , simple breed, basically. see, i was saying, ben habib, that i do think these kind of dogs should be banned . and i would go a step be banned. and i would go a step further and i upset a lot of people , actually. and this is an people, actually. and this is an open country feel free to debate me, but then i think to myself, if you debate , sorry if you ban if you debate, sorry if you ban new dog of this type, what do you do with these dogs? yeah. what do you do with all the existing ones? yeah. well i think it is different. >> banning breeding of a >> banning the breeding of a particular animal and actually culling those. >> well, yeah, because that's what i was suggesting. what i

was saying is i would round them up and put the existing ones to sleep of people were sleep and a lot of people were very with me. a of very upset with me. a lot of people similar dogs to people have similar dogs to this. saying michelle, this. they're saying michelle, you what you're you don't know what you're talking are talking about. these dogs are family friendly pets all the family friendly pets and all the rest it. ijust family friendly pets and all the rest it. i just worry that rest of it. i just worry that these things now, they are being bred specifically. >> the breeding of them >> i mean, the breeding of them is unforgiving. think that is unforgiving. and i think that has should has to stop. that should be banned. clearly violent banned. they clearly got violent tendencies, think culling tendencies, but i think culling them difficult and, you know, them is difficult and, you know, owners will rightly say that, in fact, their dog isn't that violent. it just happens to, you know, that some of them are that their dog's been perfect. it's got a well, all dogs are non—violent until they are. >> and what i'm trying >> and i guess what i'm trying to do is look how do you to do is look at how do you protect children and innocent people country people in this country anyway, james know what you james desperate to know what you think. some reasons i think. but for some reasons i have been told twice now i do need move on. sorry. so need to move on. sorry. so you'll have tell me your you'll have to tell me your thoughts dangerous thoughts about dangerous dogs another let me know your another day. let me know your thoughts. know many of you are thoughts. i know many of you are dog absolutely love dog lovers. you absolutely love dogs. that sentiment dogs. i know that the sentiment out well very far

out there as well is very far and wide that it's not the dog, it is the owner. but are there any exceptions to that? if you're breeding, you're deliberately you're breeding, you're delibera'dogs. that fighting dogs. is that an exception? and i don't know. you get touch and you tell me get in touch and you tell me your thoughts. vaiews@gbnews.com. do. vaiews@gbnews.com. but i do. we need move on because quite need to move on because quite serious over serious matters news over the weekend parliamentary weekend a parliamentary researcher on researcher was arrested on suspicion spying for china. suspicion of spying for china. i've got to say, though, there's concerns worries that this concerns and worries that this might not be the last we see of that. some security intelligence people think that actually westminster has been , i quote, westminster has been, i quote, infiltrated by a number of operatives . it's got me thinking operatives. it's got me thinking tonight . do operatives. it's got me thinking tonight. do you think we need to designate china as a threat to our society? and if we do , what our society? and if we do, what would that actually look like? and what would that mean? i think i've got a guest i was just about to turn to. you ben habib. oh, no, i don't. i thought i had a guest waiting patiently for me, but i do not. but imminently, i shall be joined by an intelligence historian because i'm fascinated to view. i'm also to get his view. but i'm also

fascinated yours. ben fascinated as to yours. ben habib we've got to back 20 habib so we've got to go back 20 years, think, to understand years, i think, to understand the mistakes we've with china. >> principal under blair's >> the principal under blair's government that adopted by osborne was that if we engage with china, if we trade with china, if we inculcate western capitalist ways of trading and living , they will eventually, living, they will eventually, politically and ideologically come over to our way of thinking. and that was a fundamental mistake. the idea that by exporting capitalism , that by exporting capitalism, trading with them, we would ideologically get them to believe in democracy. the upholding of the law and everything else that we do. what china did was to completely take advantage of our generosity and preparedness to trade with them . they exploited it to the nth degree. they've done it incredibly well. they've used their security services, their intelligence services, their political establishment together with private enterprise. they don't have private enterprise, but with enterprise manufacture

.henngin but with enterprise manufacture . hering in order to occupy by pretty much the belt and road plan, pretty much all the areas of the world which create the resources that they want , they resources that they want, they have become the new modern imperial power and we, the uk , imperial power and we, the uk, encouraged it. we trade with them. we're so embedded with them. we're so embedded with them now that you get the kind of timid response that we saw from rishi sunak saying that he told lee kiang that we will not tolerate an assault on british democracy, but actually even 20 years ago we would have expelled all chinese diplomats as a result of what's just happened in westminster. it is a systemic threat . threat. >> i've got to say, obviously the guys denying it, the chinese embassy in london, they're massive , really strongly denying massive, really strongly denying it. and i have to say , i'll just it. and i have to say, i'll just quote them actually, before i bnng quote them actually, before i bring you in, james, they're saying this is the chinese embassy london. they're embassy in london. they're saying this is all saying basically this is all nothing but malicious slander.

they relevant parties in they urge relevant parties in the uk to stop their anti—china political manipulation and stop putting on such a self staged political farce. what do you make it all so? >> i agree with ben that parliament and rishi sunak and their debate and so on was pompous and phoney and is not really about the real things . really about the real things. but i mean, yes , of course china but i mean, yes, of course china has spies in britain. we have spies in china. the us has spies. >> how do you know? >> how do you know? >> well, i couldn't reveal my extremely high level, my extremely high level, my extremely high level, my extremely high level intelligence sources. but, you know, you would probably be a bit alarmed if we didn't have any spies in china. bit alarmed if we didn't have any spies in china . and we have. any spies in china. and we have. well, i don't know. but anyway, the point is that countries have spies other people's spies in other people's countries. that's not good. but that, you know , that is the that, you know, that is the case. and when we're talking about, you know, ben was saying and i you know, here we have to disagree. part company, i'm afraid about china. is this new imperial force, etcetera. china has one military base outside of

china . the us has 800. china china. the us has 800. china doesn't have any troops in our country. the us does. it's got, it's got it's got 10,000. i mean, i'm not saying that therefore we should not have relations with the us. that would be ridiculous. and in the same way, of course we're going to have relations with with china. >> well, let me bring a third chap into this conversation because joining me down the line now is rupert allason, an intelligence historian. good evening to you. we've just been heanng evening to you. we've just been hearing in the news bulletin that oliver dowden, he's described in parliament today, china has been, i quote , a china has been, i quote, a systemic challenge to the uk. do you agree with that? yeah >> yes. and long term, that's a reasonable assessment. but i think on the evidence that we have before us today, we can only say that what the chinese have been indulging in, particularly the ministry of state security , is the kind of state security, is the kind of reconnaissance operations that is carried statistic of them are undertaking this kind of

activity prior to a major espionage organisation and network and penetration and probably accompanied by an influence operation as well. all of that is very well documented in the united states . in the united states. >> so what do you think we should do about it now? because there's talk about whether or not we should officially designate china a threat . what designate china a threat. what would that mean? is there any benefit in that ? benefit in that? >> no , this is getting tied up >> no, this is getting tied up in really bureaucracy and legislation. and so the new national security act offers this route , which is an this route, which is an alternative to the official secrets act, an alternative to counter—terrorism legislation . counter—terrorism legislation. and it's very binary and focussed and it is not really appropriate for what we're experiencing today . what should experiencing today. what should happenis experiencing today. what should happen is vigilance and we should be very tough in

identifying lying people who may or may not have been recruited for espionage themselves or they may not realise that they have been cultivated for that purpose and if you take an innocent soul who perhaps is a researcher in the house of commons, it may well be that just the information they pick up in the strangers bar in the committee rooms that may be of some value to the ministry of state security in the future, particularly when they're looking for weaknesses amongst members of parliament who , god members of parliament who, god forbid, may express some weakness that could be exploited by an adversary and there's been criticism as well about james cleverly for example, going over to beijing, some people are saying we shouldn't have friendly ties to china. >> the flip side of that is other people are saying we need to have more friendly ties. we need to be closer to china because of their power. what say you? >> well, i think embrace them. but keep them close and keep

your friends closer. >> still close. but your friends closer still. rupert allison, there. thank you for your insight . so there. thank you for your insight. so do you agree there. thank you for your insight . so do you agree with insight. so do you agree with that final sentiment? >> well, i don't entirely agree with him. i mean, i think the reason we've got the problems we've got with china is because, as i mentioned earlier , we were as i mentioned earlier, we were too quick to embrace them. we wanted bring them onto the wanted to bring them onto the world we thought we world stage and we thought we would neuter any threat to our security of trading security as a result of trading with them. and that is a fundamentally flawed principle. and what we've now got is an economic arrangement with china , which will be incredibly painful for us to break. we would see we would make the inflation that we've had so far look like a walk in the park. if we try to really break ties with china, we would also find a very hostile china on the other side of the of the rubicon, if you like. and we've got this really difficult problem to say it's a systemic challenge is to totally

underestimate it. the problem that china faces now poses to the united kingdom . and if you the united kingdom. and if you think they've got people in westminster, michel, they've got people educational people on our educational establishments, they've got people they are they people everywhere. they are they are setting the debate . sorry, are setting the debate. sorry, forgive me. >> i know you sound like you're about to lose your voice. want me to bring in james? you can have a gulp of whatever that. what in your coat? what is that in your coat? >> it's ginger or the >> it's ginger something or the other the tea bag left in. other with the tea bag left in. >> yeah, well, i think you need some honey in there. that's what we need. and up we need. i'll try and rustle up some honey the break for you, some honey in the break for you, but yeah, the language. i found the quite interesting the language quite interesting because became the language quite interesting becéhez became the language quite interesting becé he did became the language quite interesting becéhe did used became the language quite interesting becéhe did used to became the language quite interesting becéhe did used to talk became the language quite interesting becéhe did used to talk quite|me pm, he did used to talk quite tough china. liz truss she tough about china. liz truss she used to talk quite tough about them. then i feel a little them. and then i feel a little bit that that you've got bit that now that you've got youn bit that now that you've got your, your sunak into your, your likes of sunak into the of power talk seems the position of power talk seems to of be diluted words are to kind of be diluted words are kind quite loose, quite kind kind of quite loose, quite kind of wishy where did that of wishy washy. where did that sentiment held previously? >> mean , it's easy to say >> i mean, it's easy to say empty nonsense . it's sabre

empty nonsense. it's sabre rattling piffle, which is what liz truss and rishi sunak and lots of lots of other so—called china hawks, very, very tough . china hawks, very, very tough. there's no action. there's no action to take. our relations with china should be based on mutual respect . does that mean mutual respect. does that mean that you should we allow them to have spies in our country? no but should we completely flip out and say, this is a terrible threat and we're under enormous danger because of it? no, not at all. i think everybody should calm down and use less force over the top language, which, you know, as ben was explaining, why can't actually be linked to any action as well. there you go. >> mutual respect is what james thinks. we need. i think actually, if i was in charge, which heaven forbid, for all of you, always say thank goodness you, i always say thank goodness i'm would be doing deep i'm not, i would be doing deep investigations whether or investigations to see whether or not try and get some not i could try and get some kind of reparations when it came to covid from china , never mind to covid from china, never mind some other that some of the other stuff that we're talking about. anyway, give me your thoughts on all of that. i

that. vaiews@gbnews.com. when i come news if you are come back, great news if you are employed by bmw because indeed two of their new electronic cars will be produced in the uk . two of their new electronic cars will be produced in the uk. but to what cost the government of course helping subsidise that business is that the job of us taxpayers is to help private profit making enterprises. you tell me .

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company until 7:00 tonight alongside me remain ben habib and james schneider. i went off topic at the start of my programme. i was talking to you about these dangerous dogs. frank has been in touch. you said i messaged you a while ago, michelle, but you didn't read my email out. well, tonight is your lucky night. frank. what you're saying is that it's your belief that every single dog should be muzzled. asking many that every single dog should be muzchhildren asking many that every single dog should be muzchhildren orasking many that every single dog should be muzchhildren or adults many that every single dog should be muzchhildren or adults rto1y more children or adults have to be ripped pieces before the

be ripped to pieces before the government action on? i government takes action on? i don't know. all dogs muzzled in any public place. is that a bit extreme? i don't know. what about that look like about those ones that look like teddies? they like? teddies? what are they like? cockapoos or whatever they're called? really. called? i don't know really. those bears those little teddy bears with the you the muzzle. i don't know you guys get touch and let guys get in touch and let me know your thoughts that. know your thoughts on that. della is saying that uk governments sleepwalked governments have sleepwalked into by becoming into chinese control by becoming too on import from them. too reliant on import from them. she says it's time to source goods anywhere elsewhere, particularly by investing in manufacturing here in this country . that's a nice segway country. that's a nice segway you give me there because the uk automotive industry is having a mini boom because bmw is now set to make electric minis at its plant in oxford . i've got to plant in oxford. i've got to say, this has been kind of up and down for a little while now. whether or not they would stay here, or they would here, whether or not they would do a lot of their engineering, whether china, germany whether it was in china, germany or wherever. but it's good news. i this is over i have to say. this is over a couple of different plants. i think about 4000 jobs. ben habib look likely to be secured as a

result of this and focus result of this talk and focus now has gone to the uk government in terms of subsidies and support. how much of us taxpayers had to support bmw? they're quite tight lipped about this, but figures of about 75 million have been bandied around . and should uk taxpayer powers be? i would almost say like subsidising bailing out whatever you want to call it, incentivising private enterprise like . like this. >> yeah. so, i mean, it's not unusual for governments woo unusual for governments to woo large investments coming into their country . that's not their country. that's not unusual. and what is interesting here, slight digression. say, woo. >> woo. >> what do you mean? >> what do you mean? >> well, by giving, i mean typically you would give tax breaks so you'd, you'd give tax breaks so you'd, you'd give tax breaks on employment costs of people in the vicinity. so i think there forecast to employ 4000 people. what you might do in a special enterprise zone is allow employers in that zone and that bmw could have been located in that zone and not to pay national insurance . employers, national insurance. employers, national insurance, for example , on employees in that zone or

to give them other tax breaks . to give them other tax breaks. that's how i would prefer to see it, actually. what i'd really prefer to see is tax breaks for enterprise right across the united kingdom. what this evidence is and what i've been saying for many, many months is you'll know, michelle, is that taxes on business are too high at the moment and we're not going attract international going to attract international business into the united kingdom unless we give them a competitive tax base from which to make their products and sell them. we saw astrazeneca choosing the republic of ireland over liverpool for its new research facility and it cited the 12.5% corporation tax rate in the republic versus our 25% corporation tax rate in the uk. it's obvious that business will flow to those countries that provide it with a competitive edge. but there's just one other quick thing i want to say. bmw has been lobbying the eu not to impose us taxes on british

components and cars , for fear of components and cars, for fear of that putting the cost up too much for electric vehicles and allowing china to take the market. >> yeah, this isn't about this is about an agreement, isn't it? in electric cars based on a percentage of the components need to be locally sourced. and if you're not, i think it's a 10% tariff or something like that, applied. what do 10% tariff or something like thatmake applied. what do 10% tariff or something like thatmake of applied. what do 10% tariff or something like thatmake of it applied. what do 10% tariff or something like thatmake of it all, lied. what do 10% tariff or something like thatmake of it all, james? at do you make of it all, james? >> so think in general terms, >> so i think in general terms, where public money, where there's public money, there be some public there should be some public return. so we should be viewed more as an investor in a particular large project rather than just giving grants than just giving away grants and we incentivise it in we can help incentivise it in those those sorts of ways. those in those sorts of ways. but the larger thing and but the larger thing here and this back the this does relate back to the conversation having with conversation we were having with china us , china china before is the us, china and to a lesser extent the eu, are setting up competing supply chains for all of the new clean tech things that we're going to need. all of that infrastructure as well as all of the critical minerals that we're going to need for high tech computing.

and the biden administration has done this with the with what they're calling friendshoring and nearshoring, the inflation reduction act of the chips act. and they are offering huge subsidies to business is to do things that they want them to do. has a state directed do. china has a state directed model, but that is doing similar things. it brings under its control the types of industries that it wants . and europe is that it wants. and europe is trying to do a version of that just with less fiscal firepower power than the us has. so if britain wants to compete for these things, we have to find these things, we have to find these kinds of handout. these things, we have to find these kinds of handout . yes, but these kinds of handout. yes, but these kinds of handout. yes, but the problem here is that britain doesn't actually have a geo economic strategy to fit into. like the us has its plan . the eu like the us has its plan. the eu sort of has a plan . china has sort of has a plan. china has its plan for how we're going to have what are we to going have for our high tech supply chains? how are we going to have access to our mineral, the minerals that we need . for all these

that we need. for all these gigafactories china is very successfully pretty much cornered . cornered. >> the market for a lot of those minerals. you know, they have placed in the placed themselves in the countries these countries that produce these minerals. why taiwan minerals. and that's why taiwan is such geopolitical. is such a such geopolitical. >> i've got to say, i think there's a lot of controversy around some of the labour and how they are extracting some of these components and minerals or whatever it is. but as one of my viewers has been in touch and said, michelle, the government should have said no to bmw, no to any subsidies whatsoever. and he says, but what they should have is we will not have said is we will not subsidise the subsidise you creating in the uk, but we'll slap a 20% subsidy on any any cars that you want to import into the uk. would that be a good idea or not? >> well, i've always said that we be, you know, the we should be, you know, the opportune city for brexit and we can debate here. the can have a nice debate here. the opportunity for brexit was to put right that massive trade imbalance effectively the imbalance that effectively the united kingdom has with germany , where we run a trade deficit with the european union of about £100 billion a year, which is

very bad for sterling and what we should have been doing is using our brexit freedoms to deregulate, cut taxes here and actually impose tariffs on german made manufactured cars. absolutely. and balance that balance that imbalance . balance that imbalance. >> aukus well, they gurbaz has answered your question. james was probably got a response to that. but before he does so let's just take a little look, shall we, at the weather in the uk, that feeling inside uk, that warm feeling inside from boilers are proud from boxt boilers are proud sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello , very good evening to you. >> a band of rain is going to continue to push southwards through the next 24 hours with some showers both to the north and south of this. whilst in the southeast we're holding on to that humid air because here we are still ahead of these fronts which have something little which have something a little bit bit more bit cooler, a bit more comfortable, all following in behind. also on the fronts, there'll be fair of rain. there'll be a fair bit of rain. so a cloudy, wet end to the day across many northern parts of

england wales and southwest england into wales and southwest england, in southeast, england, too, in the southeast, we're those humid we're holding on to those humid conditions see a conditions and we could see a few developing. also few showers developing. also some in the far north of some showers in the far north of scotland and northern ireland. cooler whilst in cooler here whilst in the southeast with that high humidity. temperatures not dropping huge amount as we dropping a huge amount as we look through tuesday, a damp, wet start across many parts of england wales, though england and wales, though in the southeast, deal southeast, a good deal of brightness the high brightness there with the high humidity. expecting a few humidity. i am expecting a few showers kick off here and showers to kick off here and they heavy, perhaps they could be heavy, perhaps even a brighter even thundery whilst a brighter picture the of picture across the bulk of scotland ireland, scotland and northern ireland, a scattering showers and scattering of showers and a little bit of cloud at times too . a cooler than it has been . a bit cooler than it has been through some recent days. getting of around 24, getting to highs of around 24, perhaps 25 celsius the perhaps 25 celsius in the south—east wednesday morning may get off to a bit of a chilly start. couldn't rule out a touch of across some of of frost across some parts of scotland, otherwise scotland, but otherwise a generally fine for most east generally fine day for most east until and windy weather until some wet and windy weather pushesin until some wet and windy weather pushes in from the northwest. as we go into the afternoon , that we go into the afternoon, that rain is then going to sweep further southwards later in the week and temperatures are going to to average for

to be much closer to average for the year than they were the time of year than they were last that warm feeling last week. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news . sponsors of weather on gb news. >> there you go. what was your responding very briefly to ben on his brexit piece before i go off? well, i was enjoying the fact that ben's basically an import substitution. >> industrialisation person. that's what he's putting forward, which which is a perfectly good strategy. that was many countries did in the 60s 70s then got 60s and 70s. and then they got stopped from doing it by the kind of neoliberal tax cutting, direct relation privatisation regimes that ben presumably supports . but regimes that ben presumably supports. but if you are going to do those kinds of things with your brexit freedoms, you need to then have the other side which is bringing the supply chains here. that and investing in industries which is going to require state involvement. you see, biggest see, germany is the biggest beneficiary eu largesse. beneficiary of eu largesse. >> yes, germany has an artificially weak currency because of the euro and it uses

that effectively to dump products on the united kingdom. i agree. and i'm not talking about ending free trade. i'm talking about pushing back against that completely non—level playing field. well there you go. >> moderators have been issuing a non not very subtle hints playing the brick music for the last probably two minutes there. so i'm going to take the hint and go to a break. when i come back, i'll have some of your responses. but i also want to ask you, what about your rent? do you rent? are you a landlord? how much has your rent gone up by? you think it's time by? and do you think it's time to rent controls in to introduce rent controls in this see you

radio show. >> hi there michelle dewberry with it's all seven. ben habib and james schneider remain alongside me. no expense spared here at gb news because you've got not one but two drinks now to help soothe your throat. just thank the production staff. >> thank you very much indeed. yeah you're very you're very polite.

>> ben habib, aren't you? that's what mum about you. one what my mum likes about you. one of the things she says, you're very young man, right? very polite. young man, right? steve you're steve says, michelle, you're talking about bmw. you say, i know subsidies might sting a little, but this is steve's analogy. it's like going in and buying £2 million for £1 million. because when you take into account new jobs and better prospects for the area, there you go. it makes sense, he says. you've got play the long you've got to play the long game, michel. you've got to play the though the long game. della though she's of it. she she's having none of it. she says subsidy basically says this subsidy is basically just stealth tax just another green stealth tax on taxpayers michael agrees on uk taxpayers michael agrees with. says if we're giving with. james says if we're giving £75 million or there or thereabouts to bmw , why don't we thereabouts to bmw, why don't we get 75 million quid's worth of shares in the business? i don't know. you tell me, graham says. the real question here, michelle, is how much extra tax will this plant bring in for the government? surely it will be way more than £75 million. got to you don't support to say, if you don't support these you are these enterprises, you are indeed to one of my viewers points, then you're just going to be helping support the workforce. they eventually workforce. when they eventually end dole, aren't you?

end up on the dole, aren't you? keep coming in. keep your thoughts coming in. vaiews@gbnews.com of vaiews@gbnews.com speaking of workforces, union workforces, the trade union congress, tuc have congress, the tuc have complained basically saying that we're all familiar now with these new strike laws and what they're being called now is anti democratic. do you agree with that? these strike laws? yeah they absolutely are anti—democratic because they anti —democratic because they breached anti—democratic because they breached basic freedom of association action. >> so people at work should be able to get together with other people at and take and take people at work and take and take action on that basis. and it's not just about the particular workers that this that these laws make it harder for them to take action, harder to go on strike, and therefore harder for them to improve their pay and working conditions. it impacts all of us because , as since we all of us because, as since we have had lots of anti—trade union laws come in, wages have stopped rising in line with productivity and in we've have wages now at the same level. they were in 2005. so if we want to have a higher wage , a more

to have a higher wage, a more sustainable economy , we need sustainable economy, we need trade unions that can negotiate on behalf of workers and they can put a floor for underneath wages and conditions for workers, whether they are in a union or not in a union. >> ben so before i you know, before we discuss the actual specific act about which they're complaining, specific act about which they're complaining , it by definition complaining, it by definition cannot be undemocratic for parliament to do something to pass a law that is our sovereign parliament. >> it's our definition of democracy , it's the definition democracy, it's the definition of democracy. >> and what i find quite startling in a way is that, in fact what the tuc is appealing to is international law . and to is international law. and it's the un, the it's called the international labour organisation , which they've organisation, which they've appealed the ilo and we see so much of this now, michel. we see so much of sovereign authority that should be vested in parliament being handed over to under international law or to international supranational institutions or indeed domestic

independent bodies , which independent bodies, which basically is fundamentally undemocratic and that has to stop. parliament must be supreme. so having debugged that one, i think the law about which they're objecting is that there should be a minimum service level in the event of a strike. and it seems to me we haven't got a minimum service level from the public sector, even when they're fully in work and i don't know whether that means that that would prohibit striking or not, but i think it's reasonable . well, that it's reasonable. well, that certainly in fundamentally important areas of the economy , important areas of the economy, i.e. the nhs, for example , i.e. the nhs, for example, teaching perhaps there should be a minimum level of service provided. so that the country can move forward without it being brought to a complete halt. >> and don't you think that's fair? because you talk about people should be able to, you know, opera as a collective and get higher wages and all the rest of it, which is fair enough from perspective. from the labourers perspective. but about the but what about from the customers because

customers perspective? because surely those customers are entitled service that entitled to the service that often paying for. often people are paying for. so surely you about surely when you think about things minimum service things like the minimum service levels, right of an levels, the right of an organisation agency organisation to employ agency staff rest it, staff and all the rest of it, that's just protecting the consumer that's just protecting the conit's|er that's just protecting the conit's helping everybody or >> it's helping everybody or it's helping everybody who works for a living or has a relative who a living for who works for a living for workers to have the right to organise, to bid up the wages and conditions that is also in the long term interests. >> but no one's trying to take that away. what they're trying to do is say whilst you're doing that, the service continues. well which undermines the purpose a strike. well which undermines the purthe�* a strike. well which undermines the purthe point strike. well which undermines the purthe point ofike. well which undermines the purthe point of az. well which undermines the purthe point of a of a strike is >> the point of a of a strike is to prevent employer from to prevent the employer from being able to carry on ordinary activities because workers activities because the workers aren't there. the workers do the work. withdraw all the work. you withdraw all the labour showing that you need to value, you need to value the laboun >> and i was strike works, but it's not all. you can't have everything just the favour of everything just in the favour of the workers. so there's got to be so let's, let's take health >> so let's, let's take health care where this, where this impacts so we can clap nurses

dunng impacts so we can clap nurses during the pandemic. yet they have pay is much have their real pay is much lower than it was in 2010. lower than it was in in 2010. they will be prevented from being able to take the kinds of the strike acts action the kind of strike acts action they already. hold on, hold on, hold on. already there are far too few nurses there aren't safe staffing levels. those are the things which the nurses in their industrial dispute are talking about. industrial dispute are talking about . they're saying we want to about. they're saying we want to be able to care for our patients properly, which means we need to have proper shifts and safe staffing levels. the idea , the staffing levels. the idea, the flip side, the idea, but what you're saying. hold on. but what about the flip side? >> what about the my mom in the interest of the patient and the interests of the nurse or the doctor, are aligned. >> they are misaligned with the government. that is underfunding wrong, for wrong, not doing enough for training for nurses, not doing enough for hiring, for nurses, not doing pay nurses not doing enough pay for nurses and so on and so forth. it is the same thing in schools and education and so on and so forth, because what have we had

now for nearly two decades? aids is people's pay being held at the level or held down while everything else is getting more expensive. then flip expensive. but then the flip side will and by the side of that will be and by the way, everyone watching this show is perhaps familiar with the fact and sister are both fact my mum and sister are both nhs nurses, absolutely nhs nurses, so absolutely concun nhs nurses, so absolutely concur. them to be paid fairly >> i want them to be paid fairly and in safe environments, and work in safe environments, all it. the flip all the rest of it. but the flip side to that will be is side to that will be there is also people pay their taxes. they don't get you don't get a break from paying taxes because your service is not available to your service is not available to you collection of you because a collection of people want a pay rise. as people want a pay rise. so as customers, patients, service users, it, you users, whatever we call it, you have balance the need of both have to balance the need of both sides. surely i don't know. you get in touch. i'll give the get in touch. i'll give you the final home. final word at home. vaiews@gbnews.com how you vaiews@gbnews.com is how you get me. i want to talk get hold of me. i want to talk to those rent control to you about those rent control bills the break. do you

not hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 tonight alongside with the ceo of first property group and a former

brexit party mep, ben habib, and a former adviser to jeremy corbyn, james schneider. glenn says you are too young to remember the good old days when you went in to see your boss and tell him that you were striking the following day. if he didn't give you a pay rise, his answer was always no problem. you go on strike tomorrow. that's absolutely desk absolutely fine. get your desk cleared says them cleared by 5:00. he says them with is dam says anyone who's with it is dam says anyone who's on over 40 grand a year and strikes should be sacked. get them out into the real world. john what's the un got to do with this? nothing end of ted says if people can form a union and strike, then employers should be able to band together and action a lockout. freedom works ways . i suspect there works both ways. i suspect there is some sympathy for the strikers out there, though , so strikers out there, though, so i'll try and pull some of those through before the end of the programme. but i want to talk to you about rent at hamptons. now you about rent at hamptons. now you might familiar with you might be familiar with massive estate agent that is projecting that rents are set to rise this almost rise by get this almost five times house prices

times more than house prices between now and 2026. apparently there's a lack of housing supply and landlords are passing on their increasing costs to tenants already . before i've tenants already. before i've even commenced my debate, you guys are getting in touch . lots guys are getting in touch. lots of you are getting in touch and defending landlords. of you are getting in touch and defending landlords . zoe says defending landlords. zoe says landlords are now left in an impossible situation . i dread to impossible situation. i dread to think what the next government will do. the outcome is going to be more homeless people living in tents. paul says. i'm a landlord of four houses. stop bashing us. we are not immune to the cost of living crisis. interest rate rises and inflation. we've got to put up. and now this is interesting, he says. we have to put up rental income because that is our wages , phil says. i invested in property instead of a pension. many people have that sentiment. ben habib you own a property company , so give me your company, so give me your thoughts on this. well i thought zoe and the gentleman after her spoke unadulterated sense . spoke unadulterated sense. >> i mean, what you've got in the private rented sector at the

moment is interest costs on your borrowings going up. if you've got a mortgage on your property, you've got cost of fuel gone up dramatically. got cost of dramatically. you've got cost of labour gone up dramatically for maintaining your property council tax has gone up. all these costs have gone up. and what, what happens when costs go up in a property is the value drops. so not only have costs gone up in property, the values of the properties that landlords own have gone down and you've got to pass those costs onto those who are renting. but hang on, because can i, can i just pull up those one at a time? >> so interest rate rises that's only relevant when your term is coming to renewal on your interest. so yes, they're going up every month, but unless you're an open tracker you're on an open tracker mortgage, going to be mortgage, you're going to be protected for a while. protected by that for a while. >> i mean, the underlying council tenants council tax, your tenants normally up. normally pick that up. >> mean, >> you fuel costs. i mean, i don't really know what's that got do with renting out a to got to do with renting out a to house someone? you're not driving around all the time doing no, doing repairs. no, no. >> but you've you've got

>> but you've got you've got central in the common central heating in the common parts hallway. parts and you've got a hallway. well, service can be a well, service charges can be a significant of the cost of significant part of the cost of maintaining block. maintaining a block. >> devil's advocate >> i'm playing devil's advocate with you by the way, because i can sides to this can see two sides to this argument. james, me argument. but james, let me bnng argument. but james, let me bring you in. >> taxes have gone up, too, on property dramatically, while taxes, , but you're taxes, stamp duty, but you're only buying your property once once your property. once you've got your property. >> then? >> why is that responsible then? >> why is that responsible then? >> to offset costs >> the inability to offset costs against before you pay against income before you pay corporation tax, you pay corporation tax, before you pay personal tax. >> that a big one. >> it's true. that is a big one. james. of course, yes, rents should be capped. >> they're far too high. tenants pay >> they're far too high. tenants pay in the region or it will be by the end of this projection in the region . £65 billion per year the region. £65 billion per year to landlords. yes, of course. landlords have costs that partly they're paying interest on buy to let mortgages which tenants are paying the mortgages tenants are paying the mortgages tenants are paying the mortgages tenants are paying the mortgages so that the owner of the of the property can can realise the capital value increase i.e. when the

value increase i.e. when the value goes up that all the value goes up. moment. the answer the answer to this would to be dramatically increase the building of homes for social rent. at the same time as capping rent rises so they don't go capping rent rises so they don't 9° up capping rent rises so they don't go up at all. so that in real terms they fall. so interest eats away at them. right? >> why is the landlord to going operate at a loss? but why are they going to provide your your point? >> you're presuming that right now landlords are on the edge and that a lot of them are. yeah. and it's been. but for all of these i mean, hold on a lot of these i mean, hold on a lot of properties you just you you you just showed a graphic it back show the graphic get it back show the graphic get it back up. we had the graphic and it shows what the monthly rent was. i think in 2013. at one side of it. i'm hoping it's going to come up now . no. okay. going to come up now. no. okay. >> and any moment. there it is. don't look at that one. >> and any moment. there it is. dorright.; at that one. >> and any moment. there it is. dorright. 2013,iat one. >> and any moment. there it is. dorright. 2013, ten ne. >> and any moment. there it is. dorright. 2013, ten years ago. >> right. 2013, ten years ago. right it's what's that about £800 a month. right it's now 12

over 1250. it's projected to go up to 1400. now what is the point on this graph if where what a landlord's monthly costs are on average , they are not are on average, they are not approaching that level. there is approaching that level. there is a large amount of profit, which is which is built in. so could that could there be some things that could there be some things that could there be some things that could be a throwaway line? no, no. but it's also it happens to be throwaway, but it is also true. you're wrong. now we might agree on interest rates. i don't think the bank of england should be raising interest rates as it is. other knock is. that would have other knock on there are we on effects. but there are we should be stopping the increasing of rents. they're going to go up 25% over the next four years, 25. rents and rents need to be held down and the government needs to build social housing. and i'll tell you a way in which they can do that. private rented tenants, their deposits are £4 billion. they're just sitting there not doing anything. the government should take that money to capitals , a

take that money to capitals, a housing policy bank which builds social housing. do you want government to gamble with peoples gamble ? no, i want no, peoples gamble? no, i want no, i want the i want the government to build homes for social rent. that's what i want. the government. that's what i take. >> of which >> possession of cash which doesn't to the government doesn't belong to the government which sitting on, which which is sitting on, which is ringfenced in ringfenced by the way, in a tenancy which is ring tenancy deposit, which is ring fenced in a tenancy deposit deposit scheme. fenced in a tenancy deposit depuse scheme. fenced in a tenancy deposit depuse thatme. fenced in a tenancy deposit depuse that money capitalise >> use that money to capitalise the at some at some rate of the bank at some at some rate of capitalisation so that it is not risky to use and use that money to build social housing, to bnng to build social housing, to bring down the cost of housing because is insanely hard. because it is insanely hard. >> quick question because >> very quick question because it's almost time. do you it's almost out of time. do you think any landlords think landlords, any landlords providing service ? providing a good service? >> i don't know. i'm not interested in that. i'm interested in that. i'm interested in that. i'm interested in the cost of housing. but the concept there is a private rental sector, is there a part of you that looks on that and goes actually that is a needed and welcome part of our economy? i would rather that homes were cheaper and they homes were cheaper and that they were at social rent. >> so would rather see a lot >> so you would rather see a lot of plunged negative

of people plunged into negative eqtu of people plunged into negative equity recently equity if you've recently bought a i would would a property. no, i would i would use it's not that many use firstly, it's not that many people and i would use housing. >> use a housing, i >> i would use a housing, i would use housing policy bank would use a housing policy bank to people so that we to bail out people so that we can we can overrule will can so that we can overrule will reduce housing. reduce the cost of housing. that's also mortgages. that's also for mortgages. i think want to reduce the cost think we want to reduce the cost of housing property of housing overall property pnces of housing overall property prices down. >> i'm saying to it by >> so i'm saying to it by capping rents, what will happen is be less property is there'll be less property developer is there'll be less property dev profitable develop it. not profitable to develop it. well, just i've just i've well, i've just i've just i've just set up a bank. >> i've just set up a bank which is going to build, which is going to build more, more social homes than what mean homes than me. what do you mean with money? homes than me. what do you mean witiwould money? homes than me. what do you mean witiwould money oney? homes than me. what do you mean witiwould money that? homes than me. what do you mean witiwould money that is >> would you money that is currently sitting. >> it's money that's currently sitting bank ring fence. sitting in a bank ring fence. you can you get out at the you can you get it out at the end your deposit and new end of your deposit and new deposit comes in. this is not socialism comment. is socialism comment. this is extremely will socialism comment. this is extremythe will socialism comment. this is extremythe cost will socialism comment. this is extremythe cost of will socialism comment. this is extremythe cost of for will socialism comment. this is extremythe cost of for housing reduce the cost of for housing most people. the only people that wouldn't like it are people who make their money who will only make their money from other people paying their mortgages. >> blimey. i'll tell you what i could keep this one going all

night long. but look, the time flies, doesn't it? get touch flies, doesn't it? get in touch if you're landlord. do you if you're a landlord. do you feel that that is a dirty word? i've got to say it, i've got to say it feels it, doesn't it? but is that right? i would say no. look, time's gone. thank you, james. ben farage next. don't go anywhere. >> temperature's rising. next. don't go anywhere. >> solar|perature's rising. next. don't go anywhere. >> solar proud|re's rising. next. don't go anywhere. >> solar proud sponsors]. next. don't go anywhere. >> solar proud sponsors of boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello. very good evening to you. band of rain is going to continue to push southwards through the next 24 hours with some showers, both to the north and south of this whilst in the southeast we're holding on to that humid air because here we are still ahead of these fronts which have something a little bit cooler, a bit more comfortable label following in behind. fronts, behind. also on the fronts, there'll fair bit of rain. there'll be a fair bit of rain. so a cloudy, end to the day so a cloudy, wet end to the day across many northern parts of england into wales and southwest england into wales and southwest england the south—east, england too. in the south—east, we're those humid we're holding on to those humid conditions could see conditions and we could see a few showers developing. also some in the far north of some showers in the far north of scotland and northern ireland. cooler here whilst the cooler here whilst in the southeast with high

southeast with that high humidity, not humidity, temperatures not dropping amount as we dropping a huge amount as we look through tuesday, a damp, wet many parts wet start across many parts of england and wales in the england and wales there in the southeast, good deal of southeast, a good deal of brightness there with the high humidity . am expecting brightness there with the high humidity. am expecting a brightness there with the high humidity . am expecting a few humidity. i am expecting a few showers off here and showers to kick off here and they perhaps they could be heavy, perhaps even whilst brighter even thundery. whilst a brighter picture across of picture across the bulk of scotland northern ireland, scotland and northern ireland, a scattering a scattering of showers and a little bit of cloud at times too. cooler than it has too. a bit cooler than it has been some recent days. been through some recent days. getting to highs of around 24, perhaps 25 celsius the perhaps 25 celsius in the south—east wednesday morning may get bit of a chilly get off to a bit of a chilly start. couldn't rule out a touch of of of frost across some parts of scotland, otherwise a scotland, but otherwise a generally fine day for most until wet and windy weather until some wet and windy weather pushesin until some wet and windy weather pushes in from the northwest as we go into the afternoon. that rain is then going to sweep further southwards later in the week and temperatures are going to be much closer to average for the of than they were the time of year than they were last . last week. >> the temperatures rising , boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar power proud sponsors of weather on

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