gb news. >> good evening. as a suspected spy >> good evening. as a suspected spy is found in the palace of westminster , we ask is china westminster, we ask is china a threat? and if it is, what on earth is government policy towards china? because frankly, i just don't know what it is . an i just don't know what it is. an idea being floated by some conservative members of parliament that school leavers who don't get basic gcse and don't get above three grades at a—level maybe shouldn't qualify for student loans . maybe they'd for student loans. maybe they'd be better off doing apprenticeships and earning a lot more money. and we go down to the new forest where a new vigilante group has been set up. they've lost complete faith in the police. we'll find out in lyndhurst and villages around it what operation sherlock is all about. what operation sherlock is all about . but before that, let's about. but before that, let's

get the news headlines with tatiana sanchez . tatiana sanchez. >> nigel, thank you and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom. the prime minister has told the house of commons the sanctity of westminster must be protected following chinese spy be protected following chinese spy allegations . it comes after spy allegations. it comes after an unnamed parliamentary researcher who was arrested in march issued a statement saying he is completely innocent . rishi he is completely innocent. rishi sunak, who's been facing calls to designate china as a national security threat, told mps such actions will not be tolerated. the whole house is rightly appalled about reports of espionage in this building. >> the sanctity of this place must be protected and the right of members to speak their minds without fear or sanction must be maintained. we will defend our democracy and our security . so democracy and our security. so i was emphatic with premier li that actions which seek to

undermine british democracy are completely unacceptable and will never be tolerated . never be tolerated. >> labour leader sir keir starmer has called on the prime minister to reveal what he knew and when . and when. >> china is a strategic challenge , that's for sure. and challenge, that's for sure. and what we need is a policy that is clear and is settled . now we clear and is settled. now we haven't had that for the last ten years. we've had division and incapacity urgency from this government. but i think this morning there's a very big question now for the prime minister, which is , was this minister, which is, was this raised these arrests took raised when these arrests took place back in march or has it only been raised now that it's come into the public domain? i think that's the central question that needs to be answered by the prime minister today. >> in other news, gb news sources have confirmed terror suspect daniel khalife has been taken to belmarsh high security prison. the 21 year old appeared in court today , charged after in court today, charged after escaping from wandsworth prison last week. he was arrested on

saturday after a four day manhunt. westminster magistrates court was told the former soldier allegedly escaped by strapping himself to a food delivery vehicle using material which may have been bedsheets. khalife disappeared while awaiting trial after being charged with terror offences in january . administrator lawyers january. administrator lawyers have said a further 9100 wilko employees will be made redundant by early october . it employees will be made redundant by early october. it comes after a last ditch bailout by hmv failed . the company had been in failed. the company had been in discussions to buy around 200 stores. the first 24 outlets are now scheduled to shut their doors tomorrow . and finally , doors tomorrow. and finally, pubsin doors tomorrow. and finally, pubs in england and wales can continue selling takeaway pints as relaxed licencing rules have now been extended . the rules now been extended. the rules were brought to in help pubs dunng were brought to in help pubs during covid lockdowns . pubs can during covid lockdowns. pubs can keep on selling pints until march 2025. they were meant to end this month after having been extended twice. policing minister chris philp says it's

vital that we do everything we can to support british pubs . as can to support british pubs. as you're up to date on gb news across the uk, on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to . nigel >> good evening. espionage is at the heart of the palace of westminster. well in some ways, perhaps we shouldn't be that surprised because let's face it, governments of all colours spy on each other and they always have. and let's be honest, the british have been rather good at spying over the years. but this is another potential china threat. you may rememberjust going back a few months, barry gardiner, the labour mp, had received a great deal of money given towards his office running an expenses from a woman, christine lee, who was very closely associated with the chinese communist party . what we chinese communist party. what we saw on the front page of the

sunday times yesterday was a young 28 year old researcher said to be linked to some really quite senior conservative members of parliament. now, he today has put out some pretty fierce denials , but it doesn't fierce denials, but it doesn't get away from the fact that we do need to talk about china more and more honestly , and frankly, more honestly, because what really shocks me here is this man plus one other were arrested back in march of this year . were arrested back in march of this year. why has it been kept quiet for all of this time? and what was james cleverly the foreign secretary, thinking in visiting beijing just a couple of weeks back in the light of this evidence? why didn't he make a public fuss about it? some will say, oh, well, of course, if that was done, it would prejudice a future trial. but i think these things actually need , as a matter of actually need, as a matter of pubuc actually need, as a matter of public interest, to be talked about and to be debated. and then there's the question of rishi sunak. i mean, you saw the

clip on the news of him in the house of commons, but this is the man when he was running to become leader of the conservative party, and therefore minister, therefore prime minister, he didn't liz did. but didn't win. liz truss did. but described china as a threat. but now that's been downgraded and china apparently now is a systematic challenge. well, i think ken mccallum, the boss of mi5 , think ken mccallum, the boss of m15 , takes it all rather more m15, takes it all rather more seriously. he said in a very unusual speech last year that the national cyber security centre had defended the uk against a record number of what he described as cyber security incidents targeted at health care vaccine development and much else. and he was perfectly clear that china was a threat . clear that china was a threat. so let me ask you, is china a threat? give me your thoughts, farage at gbnews.com because i most definitely think that it is and i feel we just don't have any proper leadership from our government . and my worry is

government. and my worry is there are just too many people in high positions in british society over the course of the last ten years who have enriched themselves on the back of our growing trade with china , so growing trade with china, so much so that much of this tends to get brushed under the carpet. well, joining me is dr. elizabeth stephens, managing director at geopolitical risk advisory . and you go around the advisory. and you go around the world, i know, giving people advice and advice on risk advice on countries based on data. i made the point there, elizabeth, that, you know, actually spying itself is not unusual. but it is, is it not, the increased role of china in many of these activities, as highlighted by the boss of m15, that we should be concerned about? >> we should be concerned about it going forward . and china is it going forward. and china is has risen as a global power , is has risen as a global power, is looking to expand its influence . and the tech sector is the new battleground and the lines are clearly drawn between the us and china in this space, the uk is a

us ally . it's china in this space, the uk is a us ally. it's reasonable to assume that's where we will augn assume that's where we will align ourselves and i think the risk china poses to our security through tech and cyber espionage has been underestimated. >> funny though , isn't it? we're >> funny though, isn't it? we're quite slow on this . i mean, take quite slow on this. i mean, take huawei , the telecoms company. huawei, the telecoms company. yes. you know , when the trump yes. you know, when the trump administration had made clear they would not be allowing huawei into american networks, bofis huawei into american networks, boris johnson's government made a decision to say that they could be allowed into our networks only later to change their minds. and this is the point that i'm making, that it seems that chinese influence and dare say , chinese money has dare i say, chinese money has changed the minds of many senior people in our country. >> it does seem to you, isn't it, because in terms of huawei, if we'd allowed that the company to be involved in the development of 5g, their development of 5g, then their tech is our systems. at any tech is in our systems. at any point in the future, should china wish to spy on us, should it wish to turn off those systems, could do the of systems, it could do the flip of a but the challenge the a switch, but the challenge the uk faces is how do we

uk government faces is how do we develop infrastructure? develop our infrastructure? where we go for investment? where do we go for investment? if cut china out of that loop if we cut china out of that loop and economic imperatives, both national level and for personal enrichment, has taken precedence over thinking about china as a potential threat. so let's just remind people, let's remind people of the extent to which, you know, you mentioned infrastructure key infrastructure and key industries china has industries as so china has bought a significant stake in british making . british steel, making. >> is the main >> yes, china is the main partner with the development of a nuclear power station down at hinkley point. what other areas can of where china is can you think of where china is pumping in money? >> oh, it's pumping in to money the broader infrastructure development, rails, roads. they're involved in all of this. they're involved in all of this. the next area will be the water supply. i mean, they do own shares in in our water companies. they're big shares in the banking sector. and just think about real estate in london particular. if look london in particular. if we look at these that are at all these flats that are being built, so many are being purchased chinese investors, purchased by chinese investors, let university colleges , let alone university colleges, who've completely reliant who've become completely reliant

on money coming from china, which enables china then to influence the curriculum. and what is taught in those universities. and they are doing and they are doing it. so, elizabeth, where are we? >> we've a prime minister. >> we've got a prime minister. i mentioned this in talk, but mentioned this in my talk, but it's worth saying again, i think he begins by calling china a threat. then it's threat. he then says it's a systematic challenge. where are we i don't know. we today? because i don't know. >> he dialled back on it, didn't he? made the statement and he? he made the statement and then thought, where does that leave a leave us? because we do need a pragmatic to it pragmatic approach to china. it is second largest is the world's second largest economy and talking to economy engaged and talking to china is important, but we need to that against a backdrop of to do that against a backdrop of understanding how china could be a threat to us in the future and its growing influence. our systems . so inviting china to systems. so inviting china to invest in non strategic interests in activities is perhaps acceptable. but why would we have them investing in a technology sector? >> and that's what, for example, and if you were advising the government, that's what you'd say. >> that's what i'd say. and i'd also look at america's policy at the moment. china has huge

investments in united investments in the united states, america is pushing states, but america is pushing back now, and china back against that now, and china and the us are technically at war the tech sector. i mean, war in the tech sector. i mean, it confirmed yet, it hasn't been confirmed yet, but it looks like china is now preventing state employees from using apple phones . it's part of using apple phones. it's part of the tech battle. i mean, it's coincidental, isn't it? the huawei is bringing out an equivalent of the iphone . i equivalent of the iphone. i believe next week. but the believe it's next week. but the lines are clearly drawn. we have to decide side we're on. to decide which side we're on. >> well, think we do. >> yeah, well, i think we do. and haven't made our minds up and we haven't made our minds up on that. we're all over the place talking about china place on it. talking about china itself this economic rise itself, this rapid economic rise has rather hit the buffers over the course of the last few months. youth unemployment. the last official figure, 21. bet last official figure, 21. i bet it's actually higher in reality. >> i'm sure it is. they've stopped publishing figures now. >> know. i've been >> i know, i know. i've been studying china very closely . if studying china very closely. if there are big internal economic problems in china, because of a massively over geared and over borrowed property market, predominantly , my view,

predominantly, my view, elizabeth, is that that makes a chinese invasion of taiwan next year more likely, not less likely. am i being too pessimistic? >> i think you're being too pessimistic. i think that's a couple of years too early. but xi jinping has said 2027. and we have to remember the chinese are very cautious . they will only very cautious. they will only invadeif very cautious. they will only invade if they can almost guarantee it will be successful. and that would potentially take us to the brink of nuclear war. and i think we need to be realistic about why taiwan is so important to the west, not just the it isn't just that it is the us. it isn't just that it is a democracy. it is that it is the home of advanced semiconductor manufacturing in the form of tsmc. should there be a blockade of taiwan and by china, i think that's far more likely at the moment than a full scale invasion. the impact on the capitalist system will be immense and it will be. >> 60% of the world's chips are still manufactured in taiwan and 90 to 95% of the most advanced chips. >> and that's what we need for

next generation tech. i mean, thatis next generation tech. i mean, that is and that's what the real battle over taiwan is about. there is a silicon shield that is protecting taiwan. it's just a question of how enduring that shield is. and that's partly why the us ramping the the us is ramping up the building fabs in the us to building of fabs in the us to diminish the impact should china move forcefully against taiwan. >> this president's changed china completely, hasn't he? president xi he has in ten years before. up until 2012, we knew it was a growing economic powerhouse. we knew that it predominantly looked looked within in. yes. and it's since president xi took power , we've president xi took power, we've seen a massive naval build up. i mean, a huge naval build—up, huge and now clearly stated territorial expansionist aims. and him saying to the 90 million members of the chinese communist party, prepare for the great struggle ahead . struggle ahead. >> now, whether we interpret struggle as a personal struggle, struggle as a personal struggle, struggle is being emphasised by xi now in terms of economic expansion , consumption or expansion, consumption or whether we mean great struggle in terms of war. we have to be careful not to put a western

conception of that onto what he is saying, because an invasion of taiwan is a huge game changen of taiwan is a huge game changer. i think next year is too early. but you know, china has been changing for years . you has been changing for years. you know, the west, i think, made a mistake, assuming that once china was integrated into the economic system, it was a member of the wto, it would automatically democratise. that isn't got it wrong. we isn't china. we got it wrong. we got wrong. wrong. and that's got it wrong. wrong. and that's why have such a challenge why we have such a challenge with it is not with china now. it is not a democracy. it is going to democracy. it is not going to become democracy that doesn't become a democracy that doesn't mean we can't work proactively with them. not fool with them. but let's not fool ourselves. look at ourselves. i mean, look at what's hong kong. what's happened to hong kong. >> know , better example >> you know, better example needed exactly . elizabeth needed exactly. elizabeth stevens, thank you for joining me this great debate. and me on this great debate. and really, you know, short, what really, you know, in short, what elizabeth is saying there is government. please make up your minds. let's have a clear policy towards china, not this current mess in a minute, i'm going to talk to you about the rule of law. let's find out what does it actually mean. and why is it that quite senior groups of

lawyers think this government is behaving very badly? is it a fair criticism or

radio. >> some of your thoughts from home towards the question is china a threat? one viewer says of course it is. the trouble is our government is fixated on ukraine and net zero whilst china amasses a monumental army and navy, the politicians are oblivious . and navy, the politicians are oblivious. mary and navy, the politicians are oblivious . mary says and navy, the politicians are oblivious. mary says china is a threat to the world, not just to us. and another viewer says china is slowly swallowing up the world. well, they were , but the world. well, they were, but they do have currently some really, i think potentially quite serious economic problems, which may just put a block on them swallowing up the world. but i worry ever more about taiwan . a report out today by taiwan. a report out today by justice , a legal charity called justice, a legal charity called the state we're in, and it talks

about the rule of law . now, it's about the rule of law. now, it's about the rule of law. now, it's a phrase that you hear and you read about all the time. but what actually is it? well, let's attempt to find out. i'm joined by sir robert buckland, mp south swindon, member of parliament, former lord chancellor, justice secretary, the rule of law, what is it? come on in. simple english, right? >> well, it's different from the law itself. if it's a political idea that has underpinned our democracy and our parliamentary democracy and our parliamentary democracy for centuries, it's the belief that people should be equal before the law. no billionaire so high. the law is above you. and that means as well, you need an independent judicial system, an independent lawyers as well, to represent people without fear or favour in a way that i think you and i would recognise as a fair system. that's what the rule of law is all about. >> robert when i see the politicised judiciary in america, i'm horrified by it. exactly. so i think this balance is exactly that we've built up and developed over centuries is

the right one, and i've no doubt about that. and we're completely at one on that. this report, however, i mean, this is typical legal in condemning legal profession in condemning the government over the illegal migration act, condemning the government over rwanda for i mean , you know, to say to say mean, you know, to say to say that this government has acted effectively beyond the rule of law, what you're really talking about here, isn't this at the heart really of the new big legal debate brexit's done? yeah to a certain extent . this to a certain extent. this really, it seems what divides everybody is echr . you're everybody is echr. you're a strong proponent of us being part of the european convention on human rights. i'm not, as you know, i think i think it's past its sell by date. but isn't this report just condemning the government on the basis that you and just think we should be following the echr to the letter? well to be fair, i mean, it's a report produced by a group of people. >> i'm on the council of justice. i don't happen to actually agree with all of it.

some of the some of the bill's some the acts parliament some of the acts of parliament were i put through. were ones that i put through. and can you, though, that and i can tell you, though, that i do not feel who are breaching the rule law, however, which the rule of law, however, which i think, know, take your i think, you know, i take your point fully and frankly on board. i mean, there will be elements which which elements of this which which which actually politics which actually are politics as opposed to something seriously constitutional. opposed to something seriously constitutii nal. opposed to something seriously constitutii think the tendency say this, i think the tendency of government to of modern government is to legislate to rush to legislate in haste, to rush to do because pressures do things because the pressures of governments are on, to just get stuff done. and can get stuff done. and that can mean that shortcuts are taken, that there isn't the scrutiny that there isn't the scrutiny that there isn't the scrutiny that there needs to be, that too many powers are taken , perhaps many powers are taken, perhaps because governments are a little vague to do. vague about what it wants to do. and bit by bit means that and that bit by bit means that the executive give takes too much power . that's that's what much power. that's that's what concerns this is where we're at. >> one. i mean, the energy bill that through week, the that went through last week, the third reading and it's got to go through the lords basically giving state giving the secretary of state powers to through statutory instruments, put through what could potentially be be criminal measures. i found that quite shocking.

>> yeah. now criminal measures should not be the subject of secondary legislation of new offences, should be the subject offences, should be the subject of primary legislation. i've always believed that that that's an underlying tenet of how you legislate, but here's the thing, nigel. it's not just about legislation. it's about regulation as well. and who controls regulation. we have an army regulators in this army of regulators in this country, independent regulators , but who regulates them? how accountable are they to know ? i accountable are they to know? i don't think they're nearly accountable enough . and i think accountable enough. and i think we need to see to change bring them mps a like the them before mps a bit like the pubuc them before mps a bit like the public committee does them before mps a bit like the publcivil committee does them before mps a bit like the publcivil servants»mmittee does them before mps a bit like the publcivil servants too.ittee does with civil servants too. >> i'd to love see that. no, as the late , great leader, founder the late, great leader, founder of the monster raving loony party, lord sutch used to say, why is there only one monopolies commission ? which is kind of the commission? which is kind of the point . point. >> i think you and i both stood against lord sutch. i think he he nearly beat me once. >> know. so i think more scrutiny, as you say, so many of these quango type organisations , ones with more power over local businesses actually than parliament and government have.

and now i think that is a real, real concern out there. now let's talk about the law itself . yeah, devolution . so we have . yeah, devolution. so we have a central government. we keep devolving powers, we keep creating new mayors. it seems to me that under devolution, what happens is that the people with the devolved power have to do more than the government does in every area and actually interfere our lives as interfere in our lives as evermore. and one example of that be depending on that could be depending on your point view, ulez point of view, the ulez extension out to the edge of greater london. i'll tell you what interests me, sir robert . what interests me, sir robert. the campaign of vandalism against these cameras is ongoing . it shows no sign of stopping mayor khan has now employed a fleet of vans to drive around and to attempt to police the cameras. but with nearly 3000 of them, that's almost an impossible job. how do we get to a situation? how do we deal with the situation when a city significant group of a

population disrespect the law? >> well, i mean, first of all, nigel, i think you and i would agree that if you're a law maker, you can't be a law breaker. and it's not for people like us to encourage people to break the law. however, there is a question about the way in which particular was which this particular policy was brought forward. we all want clean but do you that by clean air, but do you do that by penalising who genuinely penalising those who genuinely have to run older vehicles because of cost, because they can't, they're on a pension or whatever it may be, not able to buy that car, new cars are buy that new car, new cars are expensive. yeah and it seems to me that we do have to ask a question about you know, where you're people in the you're penalising people in the pocket that way. is the pocket in that way. is the underlying policy the right one? and think an ulez it's a mistake. >> well, does the law continue to command respect ? and what to command respect? and what i've you here, i can't i've got you here, i can't resist this at the end of this show, we've got a group coming on lyndhurst and a village on from lyndhurst and a village next door minstead. this next door called minstead. this is the edge of the new is down on the edge of the new forest national park. beautiful part world. yes, but

part of the world. yes, but goodness gracious me, they are suffering the highest percentage of unsolved burglaries of any district of the entire united kingdom . and it's bad. and it's kingdom. and it's bad. and it's repeated and it's organised and it isn't just shoplifting. a lot of this is rural crime. yes. yes. it's breaking in and nicking lawnmowers and camping equipment from from from campsites, whatever it may be. yeah. and this group of people all have said and we no longer have any respect for the police whatsoever. they've set up their own vigilante group operation sherlock howard. and here you've held senior positions as as lord chancellor and justice secretary. if the people of the new forest are losing faith in our police, something has gone very badly wrong. under 13 years of tory rule . of tory rule. >> well, i think we should all be concerned about that, first of all, because however well intentioned, i'm sure these people are very well intentioned , 90 people are very well intentioned , go badly wrong and , things can go badly wrong and people hurt and worse people could be hurt and worse if you take the law into your

own. >> they're hurt anyway. >> they're being hurt anyway. >> they're being hurt anyway. >> that, nigel, which is >> i get that, nigel, which is why i think it's vitally important that those seeing this and about this hampshire and hearing about this hampshire police, crime police, the police and crime commissioner need commissioner down there need to get to see residents get to see these residents urgently. they never see a coppen urgently. they never see a copper. this the thing copper. well, this is the thing . what think is important and . what i think is important and i'm dealing with a of i'm dealing with a bit of a problem with with organised shoplifting in my area. we've had meetings about it. shoplifting in my area. we've had meetings about it . we're had meetings about it. we're trying retailers and trying to help retailers and shopkeepers deal with this scourge because it seems to me that direct action from political leaders is vitally important . and think in that important. and i think in that part the world, what part of the world, what residents clearly are out residents clearly are crying out for intervention. for is some direct intervention. and was hampshire police, and if i was hampshire police, i'd working closely with them i'd be working closely with them to with this spate to try and deal with this spate of unsolved burglaries. it's just not acceptable. of unsolved burglaries. it's justisn't acceptable. of unsolved burglaries. it's justisn't accetruth,3. of unsolved burglaries. it's just isn't accetruth, robert >> isn't the truth, robert buckland, in terms of crime buckland, that in terms of crime , in terms of our society , our , in terms of our society, our levels of respect for each other , we're going down hill, aren't we? >> well , i we? >> well, i don't think it's irredeemable. nigel and i think i didn't say it was, and i think there's a lot of young people out there who are showing

admirable qualities that you and i recognise as very much i would recognise as very much part our british way of life. part of our british way of life. i think it's up to all of us to uphold them. we've all got to be vigilant all to be vigilant and we've all got to be good citizens and support each other. i think yes, we hear elements see these bad elements and we see these bad news but do not news stories, but i still do not believe that that represents the majority in majority of people in this country. >> w- w— >> i'm with you. i don't i don't believe that it's irredeemable evil, but i do believe we're going downhill. so, robert, thank you very much indeed for joining us tonight on gb news. now an idea that's been put forward that i completely agree with, which is we're sending too many people to university. they're racking up big, big debts through loans, but they're never paying them off because for many people that are going to university who have not reached a sufficient academic level, well, frankly, they're being let down by everybody. the false aspiration of university education for all is a mistake. many of them will be better off, far better off. learning trades and skills like youngsters in

germany do. in a moment, we'll find out can we bring some real change

life. how can we trust labour? >> you're listening to gb news radio . a group of conservative radio. a group of conservative mps in an organisation called new conservatives have suggested that if you don't get maths and engush that if you don't get maths and english gcse and if you can't get more than three e's at a—level, you , you should not a—level, you, you should not qualify for a student loan. >> now, the logic of the argument is that people with that level of academic attainment go to university rack up debt, don't get jobs. is that are any better off than if they'd not been to university at all? and what happens is as the government finishes up with huge amounts of money that never get paid back because those that have been to university don't earn enough. so we're saying right after three years, people should all start to pay

something back regardless of their salary. and i looked at their salary. and i looked at the numbers today. i was astonished. the accumulated amount of student loan that has not been paid back is now over £200 billion. i simply couldn't believe the number when i saw it. well, chris mcgovern is chairman of the campaign for real education and former adviser to the number 10 policy unit. and i'm speaking to him from sussex . chris, it was very from sussex. chris, it was very difficult for years to make the argument that not everyone should go to university . why is should go to university. why is that argument finally getting through ? through? >> well, it's common sense, isn't it, that we have an over supply of graduates and an undersupply of skilled workers, whether it's builders, bricklayers, engineers , and bricklayers, engineers, and we've got to do something about it. by the way, interestingly, china has exactly the same problem, an oversupply of graduates. got a plumber

graduates. i've got a plumber and his daughter working for me at moment. i have to wait at the moment. i have to wait six though, before they six months, though, before they could fit in. know, we've could fit me in. you know, we've got a real problem here, a lack of skilled workers. the main argument immigration argument for immigration by the way, i legal way, and i mean legal immigration, is need skilled immigration, is we need skilled workers we're going to workers and we're going to continue need continue to need skilled workers. people going workers. so young people going to university who aren't academic , wasting their time, academic, wasting their time, they're doing mickey mouse degrees, they're let down. it's a job creation scheme for the universities. >> yeah. now listen, honestly, chris, i've been saying this for 20 years and i believe it very strongly, but there's a cultural thing here, you know, 50% or so of young germans go on to do to proper vocational apprenticeships. they learn trades and skills in this country , the number is about 10. country, the number is about 10. how on earth do we reverse that ? >> 7- >> yeah. 7_ >> yeah. and 7 >> yeah. and germany is not alone . most of our economic alone. most of our economic competitors are doing the same. so what we have to do , i think so what we have to do, i think probably from about the age of 14, is to allow youngsters to go

on to what you might say is a technical vocational pathway or an academic pathway. those are both are both equally valid when incredibly can i say , snobbish. incredibly can i say, snobbish. in this country we have this idea that somehow if you are academic, you are superior. and yet we know and it's widely known, think becoming widely known, i think becoming widely known, i think becoming widely known mean plumbers, known now that mean plumbers, for can earn 100 grand for example, can earn 100 grand a year more in london. a year or even more in london. so young people who go off to university can't back their so young people who go off to unive loan can't back their so young people who go off to unive loan .an't back their so young people who go off to univeloan . they're back their their loan. they're underemployed. i spoke to a conference, a national conference, a national conference of admissions tutors a few years ago and the room went silent when i said, do you understand that half of your graduates are unemployed? for example , they're working in the example, they're working in the coffee bar over the road. there was hushed the was a hushed silence in the room, when i said that after room, but when i said that after that meeting, after that conference, admissions that meeting, after that confericame admissions that meeting, after that confericame to admissions that meeting, after that confericame to me dmissions that meeting, after that confericame to me privatelys that meeting, after that confericame to me privately from tutors came to me privately from leading universities and said, chris, thank you saying chris, thank you for saying that, because no one else will say it. and think these say it. and i think these universities know truth of universities know the truth of it should stop some of it and they should stop some of the stand say, no, the jamaica stand and say, no, enough's enough. and by the way,

the government today are saying, you need to get a you know, you need to get a grade maths to qualify grade for gcse maths to qualify or for english. in or grade for english. that in fact is a certificate of incompetence to get for incompetence to get a grade for maths, get. a few maths, you need to get. a few years ago it was published these figures 15 one 5. so that's far too low. we should have six a grade six grade seven. grade six or a grade seven. >> yeah , yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. i mean, i completely understand all that. all of that. >> but i mean, what >> but chris, i mean, what happened it the new happened here was it was the new labour wasn't it? it was labour dream, wasn't it? it was sold tony to this sold by tony blair to this university education, the conservatives supported it. and in numbers advanced in fact the numbers advanced dunng in fact the numbers advanced during those years. do you think , chris mcgovern, that this government or the next one, whatever shape or colour that may be, do you think they'll take this advice and say , look, take this advice and say, look, no, you've not reached the right academic level, we're not going to give you a student loan. do you think anybody in westminster will actually do this? it does take a bit of courage, nigel. >> and you know, quite frankly, i've worked with the dfe for decades and a lot of the time i feel they haven't got a clue.

and the ministers sometimes lack the courage. and i think slowly the courage. and i think slowly the getting through the messages are getting through to people. of to young people. one of the problems that problems we have is that teachers, these don't have teachers, these days don't have any outside the any experience outside the classroom. taught 35 classroom. i taught for 35 years, i did host of other years, but i did a host of other jobs as well. they need to know what's in the world of what's happening in the world of work to train the work. so we need to train the teachers about other teachers about what other opportunities ofsted opportunities there are. ofsted when they go into schools, tend to evaluate exam success, academic success and university entrance. they're not looking at how many youngsters go off and do is a do vocational training. it is a crisis. compete crisis. we've got to compete with of the world. we with the rest of the world. we don't have choice in this. we don't have a choice in this. we don't have a choice in this. we don't get skilled workers. we've just on immigration. just got to rely on immigration. that's pretty forecast . that's a pretty bad forecast. >> now, as ever, good plain spoken, common sense from chris mcgovern. thank you for joining us tonight on the program. and i think chris's point there, it's about courage. ministers having courage and doing things that will be unpopular with a certain section of the population . now, section of the population. now, you may have noticed there are more people wearing face masks, more people wearing face masks, more stories about covid being

back. more stories about covid being back . and indeed, a new very ant back. and indeed, a new very ant has been identified . it is ba.2 has been identified. it is ba.2 86. yes. ba.2 86. as a result of that and the jabs, the boosters , as have been advanced by a month, certain categories of people can get the booster from today. if that's what you choose today. if that's what you choose to do. but my real what the farage moment came last night and it was the final. the men's final of the us open tennis kiss. and there was novak djokovic . at 36 years old. and djokovic. at 36 years old. and it was an epic second set that went on for almost an hour and a half and what amused me about him winning his 24th major grand slam title, which is the most that that has ever been won by any man equals the australian. margaret court's . 24 wins as a

margaret court's. 24 wins as a woman tennis player, what amused me was that the main sponsor of the us open was madonna . the us open was madonna. madonna. you can see the sign there on your screen . and there on your screen. and djokovic, of course, who was effectively put under house arrest for not taking the vaccine. that did give me a huge amount of amusement last night. and a little bit of counterculture thinking that comes from bnp paribas. they are the giant french bank. and they put out a recommendation today saying put your money into the british stock market. the pound is cheap and there's an attractive combination of sectors and better than expected performance of the british economy. and of course, we learned last week that many of the figures that we've been given by the authorities in this country are simply were wrong . country are simply were wrong. actually, we've done rather better, rather better economically during the pandemic

and afterwards. the many of those other countries in the g7 and neighbours in in europe. so well done bnp paribas, for saying get out of the euro, get into sterling stocks, although all that aside, the london market is suffering a lot of companies are going off and listing now in america and once again, we see the fca, my friends , of course, through my friends, of course, through my banking problems and the bank of england utterly failing britain's biggest industry of creation, sherlock has been set up on the edge of the new forest by resident vigilantes who've simply had enough, had enough of crime and who've lost complete and utter faith in the hampshire police . i'll be speaking to them police. i'll be speaking to them live from lyndhurst in just

when the boss of john lewis says that our degraded high streets have now effectively become looting grounds. you know, something is very, very wrong. but don't think it's just in big cities or in big towns where shoplifting and stealing of all kinds is a problem. no, this runs right out into to the rural parts of our country, too. in fact, in some cases, it can be even worse in the rural areas. and this is why the residents of lyndhurst and binstead, a village not too far away from that town, have decided to do something about it. and i'm joined now by colin bundy, who runs the local glamping business park farm holidays, and carrie lampitt , local resident . good lampitt, local resident. good evening to both of you. thank you for joining evening to both of you. thank you forjoining me live on the program. i must begin by asking you this. this operation of yours , as you've named it, yours, as you've named it, operation sherlock. can i ask

why . i so my farm is right next why. i so my farm is right next to minstead church and sir arthur conan doyle is actually buned arthur conan doyle is actually buried in the church now, him being the author of sherlock holmes, one of the most famous crime fighters crime solvers in, you know, in the uk . you know, in the uk. >> um, and we ironically are suffering from, you know, 84 unsolved crimes up till june this year over the last three years now, we've been doing some numbers that doesn't include 11 that we know of. that's happened in the village since then. so this is actually being underreported now . i think underreported now. i think sherlock holmes would be turning in his grave if he knew that on his doorstep this was going this was happening. yeah >> no, well, it's a brilliant name. and thank you for giving us that little bit of local history. tell us, guys, mean , history. tell us, guys, i mean, you know, we can talk about numbers. is 84100 and pro rata,

the most unsolved crimes of any part of the united kingdom. but what are the real lived experiences on the ground of this ? well 3:00 in the morning, this? well 3:00 in the morning, somebody drives into your yard and then they turn up and they just go through your garage with impunity . impunity. >> they're cool, calm, collected . it's as if they're on a shopping mission to take what they like and they can because there is they know the police are not going to come if they get called. they may turn up three days later, ask how we feel. but at the end of the day, no one's coming after them. no one's going to try and solve this. they're going to give us a crime number and expect us to go to our insurance company cap in hand. >> carrie, let me ask you, @ carrie, let me ask you, i >> and carrie, let me ask you, i mean, do you feel abandoned by the police in hampshire ? the police in hampshire? >> well, i have lived in the village for the past 14 years. and i almost want to say that it got to the point where you could almost leave your door unlocked.

but in the last couple of years, there has been so many incidents , you know, and it doesn't feel like just the odd sort of opportunist crime. it does feel like this is a real target. they're taking high value items , electric bikes , high value , electric bikes, high value sports bikes , as well as the sports bikes, as well as the farm equipment on top of everything else. so it just feel it's got complete out of hand. yeah >> and certainly from lyndhurst, which is a couple of miles down the road from you, and obviously a bigger settlement than minstead, you know, reports of antique shops and many other shops such suffering from looting. now colin, you made a point earlier, you said that if the police do come to a crime , the police do come to a crime, they come three days later . do they come three days later. do you outside of times when there are crime, do you ever see any police . just lately they've police. just lately they've started to appear. >> but before that, no. now you

know, the police turn up the local bobby. he is dedicated. he really wants to make a difference. the guy is a great guy and he will do whatever he can, but he's under—resourced , can, but he's under—resourced, underfunded, undermanned . this underfunded, undermanned. this is organised crime . this is a is organised crime. this is a crime spree. this isn't as i said, opportunity. they need proper cid to take hold of this and to do and to investigate it properly and find out at the root of what is going on, how is it happening with impunity throughout the village , throughout the village, throughout the village, throughout lyndhurst. it's gone throughout the village, throfariout lyndhurst. it's gone throughout the village, throfar tot lyndhurst. it's gone throughout the village, throfar to the1dhurst. it's gone throughout the village, throfar to the point it. it's gone throughout the village, throfar to the point we t's gone throughout the village, throfar to the point we are ione throughout the village, throfar to the point we are now too far to the point we are now organising ourselves and taking the matter into our own hands. this is not a vigilante group as widely reported. it's more of a community that's had enough getting organised, used , seeing getting organised, used, seeing cctv and alerts and media, social media to say that if someone comes into this village andifs someone comes into this village and it's looking dodgy or it's being reported amongst ourselves , or if someone gets broken into , or if someone gets broken into , they can put on there and we

can come out shine torches around to show that the village is awake. we're looking out, we're keeping an eye on things. okay you will be physically okay so you will be physically active as result of tip offs active as a result of tip offs that bad things are happening. community patrols is physically active doing and coordinating cctv footage so that we can basically get to the root of what's going on and hand it over to the police and give them a hopein to the police and give them a hope in hell of trying to sort this out. >> but you do accept, i presume, that there is an element of risk and danger in this. there would be confrontation. be no confrontation. >> we're just going to be making sort nightly patrols, sort of nightly patrols, just really presence . really making a presence. nothing more than that . nothing more than that. >> no, we don't want to be tackling these people. we want to be making sure that they're aware that we are out keeping eyes out, reporting what's going on. know , it's gone too far on. you know, it's gone too far . as i said, if we make a report at the minute, it takes three days for the police to turn up andifs days for the police to turn up and it's not good enough. no, i

completely understand that. >> i completely. now, let me just read you a response that we'd have here from the new forest district commander. chief inspector nick marsden. and he says , is that recent changes to says, is that recent changes to hampshire's policing model would see the imminent rolling out of neighbourhood enforcement teams who could act quickly on intelligence . and over the past intelligence. and over the past year , listen to this. over the year, listen to this. over the past year , he has seen a steady past year, he has seen a steady decline in in crimes being committed , specifically theft committed, specifically theft offences after the force vowed to visit every burglary and chase up investigative opportunities . he also says opportunities. he also says local community initiatives such as shopwatch schemes have been set up and that police were beginning to see results of this coming to fruition in many places, including lyndhurst. so your local district commander is upbeat. that positive change is happening and there's more to come? >> well, i think as a community,

and especially a small village, which is quite a close knit village or both villages , village or both villages, lyndhurst as well, we just like to have more reassurance mean thatis to have more reassurance mean that is a scheme that i've not heard of, might just be myself . heard of, might just be myself. forgive me, but i just really want to know that if we had more reassurance that something is being done, then i think people would have a lot more confidence i >>i -- >> i would lam >> i would say that report saying that crime is going down, we were done again on friday every two weeks for the last two months, we've had at least three break ins. this is a village of 690 people. it's not big and we're getting done every week, every other weekend , and the every other weekend, and the crime isn't going down and we're going into the winter. now, when crime normally picks up in this area because it's dark early nights , no street lights, no nights, no street lights, no street lights, it's going to get worse. yeah >> and colin, colin, dare i ask, how on earth do you get on with the insurance company? if you

are the victim of repeated theft? well all the insurance we have, they've been absolutely brilliant this time round . brilliant this time round. >> they've paid out within two weeks. but this is the age old thing they know. we now have a new set of equipment. i'm i'm just counting the days down till they come and take it away from us again. but we know insurance premiums are going to go up at the end of the day. we know there's been budget cuts, but these budget cuts, the money that they're saving, is being passed us by the villagers passed on to us by the villagers and landowners because we and the landowners because we are people are to are the people that are going to be paying premiums if we are the people that are going to be fgetig premiums if we are the people that are going to be fget insured premiums if we are the people that are going to be fget insured atremiums if we are the people that are going to be fget insured at all.iums if we are the people that are going to be fget insured at all. and if we are the people that are going to be fget insured at all. and the /e can get insured at all. and the money is coming out of our budgets now, not theirs. yeah, i'io. [10. >> no. >> understood . well, can i say >> understood. well, can i say thank you to both of you for joining me for highlight highlighting the plight, as i say, we hear about crime in cities all the we rarely cities all the time. we rarely hear about rural crime. and i wish with your project wish you well with your project and hope that the police do live up to some of those promises and do a lot more. now alastair

stewart, a legendary broadcaster . mr it was terrific news when he joined gb news at the outset, but he retired earlier this year and perhaps people didn't know the full reasons why . well, he the full reasons why. well, he came in to the studio yesterday on the sunday show with camilla tominey and explained his medical situation in gp. >> to his credit, said, i don't know. i have no idea . sometimes know. i have no idea. sometimes people of your age, particularly if they've had a really fascinating active life , try to fascinating active life, try to find excuses because they can't quite cope with old age . but the quite cope with old age. but the only way you can find out is have a scan. and i had a scan and then it was like a scene from casualty or emergency ward ten because the results came back and i had had back and i had indeed had a series of minor strokes that are called infarct stroke . it's not called infarct stroke. it's not the big one where your face falls down and your arm goes doolally, but it's like pepper shots and that the kumuls lviv

effect of that was that i had a diagnosis of early onset vascular dementia . vascular dementia. >> so there we are. alastair stewart telling us all, telling us the truth. and we in gb news of course had sort of known this and certainly suspected it for a long time. and it's very, very sad. but let's remember , let's sad. but let's remember, let's remember this very disturbing , remember this very disturbing, anguished broadcaster. and here is a short tribute to him . is a short tribute to him. >> the malta airliner hijack has endedin >> the malta airliner hijack has ended in a bloodbath. the maltese government say up to 50 passengers were killed when egyptian commandos stormed the boeing 737 at valetta airport earlier tonight . earlier tonight. >> and that's news at ten from trevor and me. >> a very good night to you . >> a very good night to you. >> a very good night to you. >> i'm alastair stewart. >> i'm alastair stewart. >> and for the first time on british television, live in front of a representative studio audience, we'll be hearing from three men, each hoping to be the leader of the next uk government in the first election debate .

in the first election debate. over the next two hours, we will hear from both the candidates vying to be the next leader of the conservative party and of course, our next prime minister. >> from all of us here live in council recreation ground me, my friends here, a very good afternoon to you . all afternoon to you. all >> alister stewart, great broadcast . what a great man. and broadcast. what a great man. and we wish him well. i'm joined by jacob rees—mogg. the station is diminished without alastair stewart, isn't it? oh, yes. >> he's a very successful broadcaster, somebody who was always interesting to be interviewed by because as he has enormous charm , oodles of charm, enormous charm, oodles of charm, and actually as an interview subject, that's sometimes the most dangerous thing because it's say things you shouldn't. >> jacob in 10s , what have you >> jacob in 10s, what have you got tonight? we're going to do china. >> we're also going to talk about this extraordinary case of about this extraordinary case of a old girl who has a 19 year old girl who has a terrible disease and the state

is saying, no, we know best. you can't have a novel treatment. >> absolutely . >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> won't allow her to name >> and won't allow her to name herself the hospital. >> whole thing is appalling. >> the whole thing is appalling. let's look at the weather >> the whole thing is appalling. lthe look at the weather >> the whole thing is appalling. lthe temperaturest the weather >> the whole thing is appalling. lthe temperatures rising, feather >> the whole thing is appalling. lthe temperatures rising, boxtr , the temperatures rising, boxt solar, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello, very good evening to you. band of rain is going to continue to push southwards through the next 24 hours with some showers both to the north and south of this. whilst in the south—east, we're holding on to that humid air because here we are still ahead of these fronts which have something a little bit cooler, a bit more comfortable following in behind . on the fronts, there'll . also on the fronts, there'll be fair of rain. so a be a fair bit of rain. so a cloudy, wet end to the day across northern of across many northern parts of england and southwest england into wales and southwest england, the south—east, england, too, in the south—east, we're onto those humid we're holding onto those humid conditions and we could see a few showers developing . also few showers developing. also some the north of some showers in the far north of scotland northern ireland. scotland and northern ireland. cooler here whilst the cooler here whilst in the southeast with that high humidity not humidity and temperatures not dropping amount . but as

dropping a huge amount. but as we look through tuesday, a damp , wet start across many parts of england in the england and wales, though in the southeast, good deal of southeast, a good deal of brightener the high brightener is that with the high humidity, am expecting a few humidity, i am expecting a few showers to kick off here and they be heavy, perhaps they could be heavy, perhaps even whilst brighter even thundery whilst a brighter picture across bulk of picture across the bulk of scotland northern ireland, scotland and northern ireland, a scattering showers scattering of showers and a little cloud at times little bit of cloud at times too. a cooler than it has too. a bit cooler than it has been recent days. been through some recent days. getting to highs of around 24, perhaps celsius the perhaps 25 celsius in the south—east wednesday morning may get bit of a chilly get off to a bit of a chilly start. couldn't rule out a touch of frost across some parts of scotland, otherwise scotland, but otherwise a generally most . but generally fine day for most. but until wet and windy weather until some wet and windy weather pushes the northwest as pushes in from the northwest as we go into the afternoon, that rain's going sweep rain's then going to sweep further southwards later in the week temperatures going week and temperatures are going to closer to average for to be much closer to average for the time of than they were the time of year than they were last . last week. >> the temperatures rising , boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather

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gb news. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight. it's scandal after scandal for the nhs . it after scandal for the nhs. it repeatedly proves to the public that it can't always be trusted and not to cover up. why then, is it allowed to rent patients pursuing their right to life ? pursuing their right to life? and why do the courts impose draconian and reporting restrictions on such cases? a young lady with a rare genetic disorder is being blocked from pursuing potentially life saving care. and surely this is not justice. have we entered the era of cold war two? a parliamentary researcher has been arrested under suspicion of engaging in espionage on behalf of the chinese communists. espionage on behalf of the chinese communists . and while chinese communists. and while the prime minister has confronted the chinese premier at the g20 summit, the business secretary kemi badenoch, has warned against escalation with

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