and today marks the beginning of the end . very sadly for wilkos. the end. very sadly for wilkos. as the first stores closed their doors forever round about eight. now, some people are saying that we need a royal charter to save the high street in britain. do we.7 what the high street in britain. do we? what does that even mean? and does the high street have a place in our lives like it once did? do you know the drill did? and do you know the drill on dewbs& co? it's not just about it's very much about about me. it's very much about you. one of my debates you. so one of my debates tonight is driven by your comments . last night we were comments. last night we were talking about dangerous in talking about dangerous dogs in particular the bully dogs. i was

saying that i think that they need to be banned. lots of you very strongly disagreeing with me, but also lots of you saying that you felt that all dogs should be muzzled in public. you heard me right. should be muzzled in public. you heard me right . all dogs muzzled heard me right. all dogs muzzled in public. would you support that? you were divided last night. and i want to get into it with my panel tonight. at and last but not least, people who litter. i cannot bear a littering. what is wrong with you anyway? there's talk now about go through a drive about if you go through a drive through, you think that your through, do you think that your car licence plate should be printed the packaging? so if printed on the packaging? so if indeed cannot help yourself indeed you cannot help yourself but be burn idle that you but be so burn idle that you feel a need to chuck your packaging out the window, you will be tracked down and fined. would you support that or not? before we into it, we've got before we get into it, we've got lots more come well. but lots more to come as well. but let's up to speed with let's get up to speed with tonight's latest headlines let's get up to speed with tonight'sshe'st headlines let's get up to speed with tonight'sshe's back,ilines let's get up to speed with tonight'sshe's back, everybody, because she's back, everybody, polly middlehurst . polly middlehurst. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. our top story

tonight on gb news poundland owner pepco has agreed to buy up to 781. wilko high street chain stores. that comes as the retailer prepares to close 24 outlets today with the rest to shut by next month. that means over 12,000 jobs are now at risk, although poundland says they do plan to offer roles to some wilko team members where possible . but barclays bank is possible. but barclays bank is cutting over 450 jobs and unite the union, which represents employees at the bank, has branded the decision unnecessary and unjustified . they say it and unjustified. they say it will leave people concerned about their job security and livelihoods. they've criticised barclays for cutting jobs at a time when it's making big profits . well, the other main profits. well, the other main story on gb news today is we can reveal that more than 3250 migrants have crossed the engush migrants have crossed the english channel over the last 11 days. that coincides with the longest run of good weather so

far this year. home office figures show that 144 channel migrants crossed yes today in three small boats . today we three small boats. today we believe three small boats have crossed carrying 120 people. but the total figure is 17% down on the total figure is 17% down on the same period last year. now we had some breaking news into the newsroom today. we were told that a residential street in glasgow had to be evacuated after someone had discovered a suspected unexploded ordnance device in their garden. police scotland say they were called shortly after midday after the individual reported digging it up.the individual reported digging it up. the explosive ordnance disposal team has been dispatched to the property and a cordon is in place, we understand, and people in surrounding properties have been asked to leave their homes as a precaution until the item can be safely disposed of . more details safely disposed of. more details on that coming to us all the time. we'll bring you in later bulletins now moving overseas and the republican speaker of

the house of representatives has called for an impeachment inquiry into us president joe biden. kevin mccarthy says lawmakers in his party have uncovered serious and credible allegations into the president's conduct, labelling it a culture of corruption . republicans have of corruption. republicans have accused the democrat leader of profiting while he served as vice president from . 2009 to vice president from. 2009 to 2017 through his son, hunter biden's foreign business ventures, the white house says there is no basis for any investigation . and staying with investigation. and staying with foreign news, north korea's leader, kim jong un is in russia ahead of a meeting with president putin. it's only the seventh time he's actually left his country, although his last trip to russia was in 2019, the two leaders are expected to discuss a deal to supply humanitarian aid to north korea in exchange for supplying russia with munitions for its war against ukraine. it comes amid

warnings from washington that the two countries should not be agreeing on an arms deal. now surrey police say they're working to secure the safe return of sarah sharif's five siblings from pakistan . the ten siblings from pakistan. the ten year old girl was found dead at her home in woking in surrey last month. her father , last month. her father, stepmother and uncle fled the uk a day before with all her siblings. well, surrey police say they're working with their international partners after a pakistani court ruled the children would be temporarily moved to a government childcare facility in pakistan . stars of facility in pakistan. stars of sport and reality tv were meeting at downing street today to discuss online safety. that's as the online safety bill returned to the house of commons for its final reading . the for its final reading. the planned law imposed new legal dufies planned law imposed new legal duties on big tech companies to crack down on online trolls.

michelle donelan, who's the secretary of state for science, innovation and technology , says innovation and technology, says it will make the uk the safest place in the world to be online. >> so via this bill, we're making cyberflashing illegal and making cyberflashing illegal and making intimate image abuse illegal. and we're also making the promotion of self harm, illegal. this is going to be transformational . it is illegal. this is going to be transformational. it is going to be groundbreaking. >> and lastly, the princess of wales has been seen with an injured hand while on a visit to a prison in surrey. she was pictured with her right index and middle fingers taped together, saying she had injured herself at home while on a trampoline. kensington palace saying it's nothing particularly serious. the future queen went to see how prisoners at hmp highdown are supported to manage and recover from addiction . us and recover from addiction. us gb news across the uk on your tv, in your car , on your digital tv, in your car, on your digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news .

by saying play gb news. this is britain's news. channel >> thanks for that, polly . >> thanks for that, polly. before you head off though, i must say lots of my viewers very happy to see you back, believe it or not, polly, you have been very missed with my viewers. they've often where is they've often asked me, where is polly middlehurst ? so where have polly middlehurst? so where have you thank you for >> oh, thank you for asking. i went to scotland and i took the overnight sleeper train from euston to fort william. stayed in a little hotel overlooking a loch , went to the ben nevis loch, went to the ben nevis distillery to see how whisky was made and then took the train back and spent lots of time in the garden . the garden. >> how the other half live. ladies and gents. isn't it nice? polly train journey. >> oh yes. don't want go all >> oh yes. don't want to go all michael on you or anything. >> but there's something special, isn't there? don't you think? you get nice and think? and did you get nice and dressed was one of them dressed up? was you one of them or you just in your or did you just go in your casuals or what? >> if i ever went on the orient express, which is my next ambition, that's exactly what i do. i take and my tiara

do. i take my pills and my tiara and i jazz it all up with that kind of style. yeah, well, i love kind of style. yeah, well, i lowl'm done with nursing >> i'm done with my nursing parker. yeah. should i just leave now and you leave you alone now and let you head i'm sure you've got head off? i'm sure you've got other to do, but it's other things to do, but it's nice to have you back. polly middlehurst. for have middlehurst. i, for one, have missed i am michelle missed you anyway. i am michelle dewberry and i'm with you until 7:00 tonight alongside me, a face seen again for face i've not seen again for a while. baroness while. former mep baroness jacqueline back. jacqueline foster. welcome back. i feel like i've not seen you in ages. why it feels ages. don't know why it feels like everyone's going like that. everyone's going on holiday. other than me holiday. i think other than me and the former editor of labourlist, peter edwards. welcome. thank you. have you been train journeys been on any train journeys anytime recently? >> i want a heritage line. >> yeah, i want a heritage line. the railway north the steam railway north yorkshire summer, was yorkshire this summer, which was great next time i have great fun. and next time i have to michael portillo. to take michael portillo. >> yes . do you to take michael portillo. >> yes. do you train jane? is >> oh yes. do you train jane? is that your kind thing or not? that your kind of thing or not? >> came with from >> oh, came up with avanti from liverpool monday. that's not liverpool on monday. that's not the same thing. no, like the same thing. no, i like trains. i used to eurostar a lot. obviously and i think it's a lovely way, even though i'm sort of very aviation orientated . you are indeed, which was my whole life. i love train journeys. i ships as well.

journeys. i like ships as well. so do you. >> yeah. i don't know why you can tell me what you think, ladies home. this ladies and gents, at home. this just me something really just to me something really special. i don't mean about. i don't know your hull to bridlington. talking bridlington. i'm not talking about about about that. i'm talking about your of your nice kind of those beautiful scenic train journeys that you do. and i really do like it, actually, when people get all dressed up quite smartly and all the rest of it. are you buying that are you buying into that or are you saying up, michelle, and saying shut up, michelle, and get with the program? you get get on with the program? you get in touch and tell me your thoughts and speaking about you, it's i say every it's not just i say this every night. not about us. night. it's not just about us. it about you. and last night, it is about you. and last night, if you were watching, you might recall we had a brief conversation at the top of the hour these dangerous dogs, hour about these dangerous dogs, so—called these so—called dangerous dogs, these excel and what the excel bullets, and what the answer to do with them. answer was to do with them. suella braverman talking suella braverman was talking tough the rest of it tough and all the rest of it anyway , long short, for anyway, long story short, for those that weren't those of you that weren't watching, of you guys at watching, many of you guys at home were getting touch with home were getting in touch with me, that stance me, you thought that my stance was read all was incredibly harsh. i read all of emails. i've got say, of your emails. i've got to say, some of you kind of some of you, you kind of converted me a little to

converted me a little bit to your way of thinking. but one of the things that jumped out at me from inbox last night was from the inbox last night was the sheer amount of you last night getting touch night that were getting in touch with me that you with me telling me that you think all dogs, your words, think that all dogs, your words, not dogs, should not mine, all dogs, should be muzzled public, i muzzled in public, even as i mentioned at the start of my program, you still program, many of you still getting in touch with that sentiment. again tonight. so i want debate it properly want to debate it properly because i many you will because i know many of you will completely with that completely disagree with that sentiment. and i want to throw it to panel as well. but it open to my panel as well. but i've got lots more coming your way before i get on to that one. so get in touch with the gbviews@gbnews.com is how you email can tweet me at email me. or you can tweet me at gb news. but course, top gb news. but of course, top story you might be story tonight, you might be familiar the fact that familiar with the fact that angela rayner has been over in liverpool speaking the liverpool speaking out the tuc conference kind conference and this whole kind of red wall. so to speak. and who is going to that battle who is going to win that battle for the hearts and the minds of the red wall that will be the that be pressure point, that will be the pressure point, the point. i think the the pinch point. i think at the next election. anyway, she was talking quite tough today, specifically came to specifically when it came to workers let me just have

workers rights. let me just have a listen play for you a little listen play for you some of the things that she had to labour's new deal for working >> labour's new deal for working people will transfer from ordinary working people's lives. work will finally pay, rights will be properly enforced. and crucially , it will strengthen crucially, it will strengthen the role of trade unions in our society . so strengthen the role society. so strengthen the role of trade unions in our society. >> in a second, i'll come to you, jacqueline, because i know that you were very heavily involved in trade unions. but before i do that , i'd be rude before i do that, i'd be rude not to start with you, given it was labour's speaking today. was labour's speaking out today. peter, did you make to some peter, what did you make to some of things heard in of the things you heard in specific? think that specific? do you think that we need trade unions need stronger trade unions in this country? >> need stronger this country? >> unions. need stronger this country? >> unions. i need stronger this country? >> unions. i thoughttronger this country? >> unions. i thought whatzr trade unions. i thought what angela said pretty angela rayner said was pretty sensible and no doubt parts sensible and i've no doubt parts of the press or parts of the conservative will say conservative party will say otherwise, just a fact otherwise, but it's just a fact that there's been an attack on trade rights over the trade union rights over the last 13 years by various 13 years or so by various conservative governments. i'd

say first say a couple of things. first of all, which never type of trade union you're in. if you end up in industrial action, as i was when i was a newspaper reporter many do that with many years ago, you do that with great reluctance sense that great reluctance as a sense that people unions are, people in trade unions are, according to some newspapers, you rabid militant types. you know, rabid militant types. that's case. people who that's not the case. people who go industrial a go on industrial action as a last because they last resort because they care about readers or about their their readers or their patients or their school kids their railway passengers kids or their railway passengers and and they give up and so on. and they give up their in doing so. the other their pay in doing so. the other point that point i'd make is that frequently we've seen over the last decade or so, rather than getting table and getting round the table and having because having negotiation because there's always disagreements in the workplace, government ministers bring ministers have tended to bring in is what in new laws, which is what angela has pledged angela rayner has pledged today to example , do you to reverse. for example, do you have full employment rights after two years rather than one and threshold for strike and a threshold for a strike ballot is much higher than it used be. but these, these are used to be. but these, these are not things are bringing not things that are bringing workers together with government and business and helping the economy grow. they're spiteful attacks conservatives i'm afraid. >> cor blimey, spiteful attacks by the conservatives. jacqueline

and just involved before we respond involve respond to that, just involve explain bit your explain a little bit your involvement with unions. >> well when i started flying many , many decades ago , i many, many decades ago, i actually became a shop steward for the transport and general workers union. and at that time we didn't have pensions. so this was the girls we didn't have any seniority at all. and that was around mid 70s, late 70s, when obviously the equal pay act came about. we obviously moved all of this forward. so i was an associate for about three years, associate for about three years, a number of years later i left ba gone back and in 1989 a number of us formed a breakaway union called cabin crew 89, and i was basically the deputy general secretary and i negotiated for the next ten years until i became an mep. the terms and conditions for so strong history then. >> so what do you feel now when peter says essentially a government that you're connected with in some shape or form, is

essentially doing spiteful attacks on said unions? >> well, it's very typical of the left because they think that anybody that doesn't support the labour party necessarily or vote for them has no interest in in people's workplaces and the terms and conditions or anything like that. and that couldn't be actually further from the truth, because what most of us know is if you've got a happy group of people working in a company or working tv studio, then working in a tv studio, then you're going to get better results and better productivity . the whole of the trade . the whole point of the trade union reform in the 80s, which was thatcher government, was was the thatcher government, was because we would be we had been basically pretty well destroyed this during the 70s. the this country during the 70s. the winters of discontent and all of those things. and we had a long way to go to try and change that. and it was norman tebbit that. and it was norman tebbit that was behind a lot of that reform and a lot of members of trade all also supported trade unions all also supported that they as though that because they felt as though they dragged into they were being dragged into these situations and these horrendous situations and very often losing their jobs and industries were closing and that

was why we formed that particular union, which was a non—political affiliated union. and i fully i was fully behind that. so i do think i mean, i had a look at to see what angela rayner was saying and, you know, she said we'll ban zero hour contracts. well there are a lot of people like to work on a zero hour contract because it might suit there all sorts suit them. there are all sorts of different flexible contracts that have, but if we bring that we do have, but if we bring it back to the situation we've had over the last 12 months, for example rail strikes example, with the rail strikes in rmt , you know, it was in the rmt, you know, it was a former negotiator. you're right, it's not easy negotiating. but by the same token, am in by the same token, i am in despair at the rmt and really what's going on with with the railways and also with the nhs , railways and also with the nhs, we have minimum standards, minimum service levels across other european countries to make sure. but do you back these new anti—strike what people are calling anti strike laws? i don't believe that they're anti strike laws at all. >> and labour, to your point,

raynen >> and labour, to your point, rayner, she says basically in the hundred days they're the first hundred days they're going get rid of them. going to get rid of them. >> yeah, we're not talking about thatcher we're talking >> yeah, we're not talking about thathgetting we're talking >> yeah, we're not talking about thathgetting rid we're talking >> yeah, we're not talking about thathgetting rid ofa're talking >> yeah, we're not talking about thathgetting rid of changesng about getting rid of changes introduced ten years introduced in the last ten years or so very briefly, the or so. so very briefly, the minimum service level is basically be an attempt to criminalise workers criminalise those workers who have participated in industrial action by making it harder action by by making it harder for people to kind of opt out of the workplace which they're doing. >> whereas the criminal she's saying that's not what it is, not at. >> we could they'll make it against the law. >> no, you said they're going to attempt to criminalise people, you not performing minimum you know, not performing minimum service. where's the criminalisation ? who's going criminalisation bit? who's going to done? because cause if to go get done? because cause if you fail to turn up to work, you'll be breaking the law. and what will happen to you? you what will happen to you? do you think you're going to have you're going to have all these people the what people in prison? is the what he's that would remarkable. >> if end up in prison. very >> if you end up in prison. very briefly, jacqueline . briefly, i'll go to jacqueline. i think it is being subject to challenge in the courts prior to union unions . union by the unions. >> they're entitled to challenge

anything at the end of the day, we were looking at minimum service levels. when you're looking at the nhs and you're looking at the nhs and you're looking at the nhs and you're looking at critical services now , all very happy that the , we're all very happy that the police go strike. thank police don't go on strike. thank goodness very happy that goodness we're very happy that the armed forces don't go on strike end up to strike and they end up having to bail us out in various situations. and i do not believe it's because they can't. situations. and i do not believe it's so because they can't. situations. and i do not believe it's so they ause they can't. situations. and i do not believe it's so they could,|ey can't. situations. and i do not believe it's so they could, theyan't. >> so if they could, they probably would. >> it would be illegal for them to we're not saying to do so. now we're not saying and i'm not saying that other areas like the nhs and other big organisations shouldn't the organisations shouldn't have the right that's not what right to strike. that's not what i'm at all. what i'm i'm saying at all. what i'm saying what we've been saying and what we've been trying at least ensure trying to do is at least ensure that there are minimum service standards. minimum cover standards. there's minimum cover like in other like they have in other countries across europe and across the world to ensure if there is industrial action that there is industrial action that the public do not suffer, the pubuc the public do not suffer, the public that the lives are not in dangen public that the lives are not in danger. and that is what the minimum service levels mean. >> what about this, say, zero hours contract thing? because as jacqueline just saying, jacqueline was just saying, there's scrapping there's talk about scrapping them. if someone wants to them. but if someone wants to work zero hours contract,

work on a zero hours contract, they've already rid of the they've already got rid of the before they used to do is before what they used to do is if on a zero hours if you was on a zero hours contract, used make it. contract, they used to make it. they used to prohibit from they used to prohibit you from going try and top going anywhere else. try and top up which absolutely up your hours, which absolutely was if you ask me. was appalling. if you ask me. anyway, you can't really do that anymore. these hour anymore. so these zero hour contracts, they're for people that whatever you that for whatever reason, you know, might be studying or know, there might be studying or they caring they might have caring responsibilities whatever. responsibilities or whatever. so the valued. and the flexibility is valued. and why it therefore for why is it therefore for a government to say, government then to say, actually, you can't do that actually, no, you can't do that anymore my understanding, >> well, my understanding, michelle, it's not a michelle, is that it's not a total scrapping. it's ban on total scrapping. it's a ban on certain types . total scrapping. it's a ban on certain types. i'm happy to be corrected. but it says here that the new deal for working people. >> is what the proposals >> so this is what the proposals are called, would include protections unfair protections against unfair dismissal, their words, not dismissal, all their words, not mine. zero hour mine. a ban on zero hour contracts, flexible working contracts, more flexible working and the principle of hire and end in the principle of hire sorry, fire and rehire fire, which is basically when people try and get rid of all their workforce and then rehire them. and pretty much five minutes later on different t's and c's. so i understand it, that is so as i understand it, that is what they be trying to what they would be trying to do, get that zero hour cost

get rid of that zero hour cost kept and principle. get rid of that zero hour cost kepto nd principle. get rid of that zero hour cost kepto be principle. get rid of that zero hour cost kepto be frank,»le. get rid of that zero hour cost kepto be frank, i'd be amazed if >> to be frank, i'd be amazed if that happen for the that would happen for the reasons rightly outlined reasons you rightly outlined that there's a small proportion of workers that like that flexibility. it's people flexibility. often it's people studying for studying or maybe working for a temporary periods got caring temporary periods or got caring responsibilities. briefly , responsibilities. very briefly, you made the point that exclusivity a bad thing, exclusivity is a bad thing, where in the old employer used to can only work for us to say, you can only work for us and ten hours a week, and only be ten hours a week, that would be unfair. but allowing some room for flexibility under some types of zero i think zero hours contracts, i think there bit there probably is a little bit of a for that. of a case for that. >> i've got to say, i've spoken to a lot of carers is for various reasons recently and what pretty appalling is what i find pretty appalling is sometimes on these sometimes they work on these flexible which flexible contracts, which is fair then they're fair enough, but then they're only when they only getting paid when they arrive at the job. so i don't know, they're peddling on their bikes it is, and bikes or whatever it is, and they arrive at person's home they arrive at the person's home and when the and then that's when the timesheet starts timesheet essentially starts work. doesn't take into work. so it doesn't take into account all of their travel. i think that is pretty unfair. don't think that is pretty unfair. dont so think that is pretty unfair. don't so do you think that don't you? so do you think that labour the party to get a labour are the party to get a hold of workers rights in hold of the workers rights in this country and make it better,

make for people ? make work pay for people? >> were getting like >> but they were getting like that they were power , that when they were in power, and that's not changed in the last carers, carers, last 13 years of carers, carers, carers that were going around local and they were local authorities and they were not being paid to travel from a to b because that's nothing new. that's if it's not right, it's not right . i that's if it's not right, it's not right. i agree that's if it's not right, it's not right . i agree with you. not right. i agree with you. i think that there should be a far better way of making sure that they're for time they they're paid for the time they take to from one patient to take to go from one patient to the usage of that has increased a it only a lot more and it will only increase further with an ageing well, i don't believe that's the case just think it's case at all. i just think it's pretty dumb. >> just think it's pretty shameful. >> the blair government could have changed that. they in >> the blair government could have cfor|ged that. they in >> the blair government could have cfor 13 d that. they in >> the blair government could have cfor 13 years.. they in >> the blair government could have cfor 13 years.. theydidn't.n power for 13 years. they didn't. >> blame it on all of >> well, i blame it on all of them, quite frankly. i think why is society, whoever's in is the society, whoever's in power, don't care. power, i don't really care. quite frankly. i'm not i'm not wedded to them in that way. but why don't value carers as why don't we value our carers as a one of the a society? it's one of the hardest things that we can do for physically. often for people physically. often having people. i don't having to lift people. i don't know, however, many times your size, all the size, your weight and all the rest do really personal

rest of it do really personal things and we give things for people and we give people wage. yeah people minimum wage. yeah i mean, is wrong with our mean, what is wrong with our society anyway? wilko stores it is beginning of end is the beginning of the end because roundabout first because roundabout now the first of closed of those stores have closed forever. calls forever. and there's calls for a royal charter to help rescue our high do we need that? do high street. do we need that? do we need the high street as we even need the high street as it was? tell me .

radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry till 7:00 tonight. the former mep and baroness jacqueline foster alongside me as is the former editor of labourlist peter edwards. lots of you guys getting in touch. don't forget the thing that's got you talking again tonight is the viewer suggestion from last night that all dogs yes, i'm quoting some of my viewers properly, all dogs should be muzzled in public. cobbler made lots of strong opinions coming in on that. but back to trade unions. john says giving trade unions. john says giving trade unions more power. you must be

joking. they brought the country to knees. you're harsh man, to its knees. you're harsh man, though, john, because you say that no public sector worker should to strike at should be allowed to strike at all and any public sector workers out there that disagree with john, i suspect there might be a few lots of people having that opinion, though stronger trade unions, they're already basically holding all the trump cards. what will be next? says joe mick lynch for prime minister? well, i don't know. keep your thoughts coming in on that one, but i want to talk to you about the high streets. we've been familiar with this story for a bit now. we're talking about wilko. will it survive? it survive and all survive? were it survive and all the rest of it? well, some of the rest of it? well, some of the stores have the first wilko stores have closed for good closed their doors for good forever. of tonight's 400, forever. as of tonight's 400, stores will be shut down by the end of october. and sadly, it looks like around 12,000 people could potentially lose their jobs. could potentially lose their jobs . lots of people have been jobs. lots of people have been getting involved on this. the chair of john lewis as well. in fact, actually , i'll come to

fact, actually, i'll come to you. i'll start with you on this one, jacqueline. the chair of john lewis has calling not john lewis has been calling not for a royal charter. that was i don't know why i'm calling it a royal charter. i think it needs to go to sleep, quite frankly, and get again. yeah, a royal and get up again. yeah, a royal commission. and get up again. yeah, a royal comnsaying is and get up again. yeah, a royal comn saying is you've and get up again. yeah, a royal comnsaying is you've had about she's saying is you've had about 6000 closed down in 6000 shops have closed down in the last five years. it's time for a proper top down look at what going in the high what is going on in the high street. it? street. is it? >> first of all, i think >> well, first of all, i think the good is i think the good news is i think poundland come with the poundland have come in with the administrators and they have agreed to a proportion of agreed to buy a proportion of the . so hopefully that is the shops. so hopefully that is positive . that means that positive. that means that hopefully there will be jobs, some jobs that will be saved. i think a substantial number as well. think we need a bit more well. i think we need a bit more information that. that's information on that. that's only very recent. in times of the high street, we don't need royal commissions royal anything. commissions or royal anything. the matter is, if we the fact of the matter is, if we go back about 40 years, if we go back to the introduction of supermarkets, recall, supermarkets, you may recall, and the escalator of and then the escalator of out—of—town shopping that was the beginning in a way of the decline of the high street and,

you know, we've all had discussions about the supermarkets taking over from the small shops, whether it was the small shops, whether it was the cod and the cigarettes and the cod and the cigarettes and the cards and whatever. and then they started to be able to sell all of those sorts of things. >> and wilko will have benefited from like from the demise of like woolworths, for example. >> be some of >> yeah, there'll be some of that. so and then of course, if you look the last 20 years, you look at the last 20 years, i mean, how many of us are sitting here and many are watching, here and how many are watching, how do you do online? the how much do you do online? the amount of on to to amount of stuff on me, to me to bank online. i have travelled a lot and worked abroad and everything. i buy stuff online. i get the dog food online and i think it's about now how are you going to have a real rethink of how we regenerate some of these high streets and the things that you can do? so you think you turn it around, you don't need an inquiry. we need to look at business rates and local authorities are responsible pretty well for the business rates. there far many rates. there are far too many charity shops in high streets. they are reduced business

they all are reduced business rates. i have no idea why, because these charities because a lot of these charities are very , very wealthy are very, very wealthy indeed. a lot these small businesses, lot of these small businesses, you know, they've got their their their up the their their house up the mortgage to try and make sure that they can keep their business going. so there's got to be real rethink on this. so to be a real rethink on this. so the councils to look also, to be a real rethink on this. so the you 1cils to look also, to be a real rethink on this. so the you can't to look also, to be a real rethink on this. so the you can't parkto look also, to be a real rethink on this. so the you can't park anywhere so, to be a real rethink on this. so the you can't park anywhere ,i, to be a real rethink on this. so the you can't park anywhere , you oh, you can't park anywhere, you can't drive in anywhere. so they've it difficult also they've made it difficult also for families to come in and do their shopping around high their shopping around the high street. to be able street. so they need to be able to at that and make it to look at that and make it a reasonable as well. they reasonable price as well. they could widen pavements and things to make sure it's a little bit alfresco. coming in to alfresco. so you're coming in to do bit of shopping. let's go do a bit of shopping. let's go to the cafe and i think there are a number of things that could done and are not being could be done and are not being done. are being done in done. they are being done in some is because we're not some places is because we're not going be able to turn the going to be able to turn the clock mean, we are where clock back. i mean, we are where we are electronically now with, you know, all of the you know, with all of the technology we've got . so i think technology we've got. so i think we're just going to have to start thinking outside the box. and those responses will need to

start putting in place measures where we can encourage our build up. i think of our high streets again. >> i remember when i was a kid and we used to say, right, we're going down road, right? and what that meant it was a specific type of road. you want any old road? it was what i look back on now and call a high street. and it had every single thing that you could possibly think of. it used or used to have your butchers or just point just anything. no point listening everything because everything know, everything was you know, contained really busy, contained down one really busy, thriving like thriving street. it's not like that anymore for a variety of reasons that jacqueline, for example, has still just been pointing out. so do you think we're a little bit misty eyed about all you know, the about all you know, revive the high street or keep the high street, help the high street? has life just moved on? >> well, a bit of both . being >> well, a bit of both. being misty eyed is always a risk. and that would be criticism of that would be my criticism of folk ukip. but we can do ukip. >> what's ukip got to do with it? >> well, i think that's a different point entirely. but i think they hark back to another era britain might era in britain that might not exist what can do

exist in terms of what we can do to the high street and random segway, but go on, continue. but to the high street and random sthink', but go on, continue. but to the high street and random sthink', blcany on, continue. but to the high street and random sthink', blcan do i, continue. but to the high street and random sthink', blcan do something but to the high street and random sthink', blcan do something tort i think we can do something to revive the high street. jacqueline as you said, kind of explained some of the reasons about where we are today. i'm really wilkinson's and really sad about wilkinson's and i'm about everyone really sad about wilkinson's and i'm worked about everyone really sad about wilkinson's and i'm worked atabout everyone really sad about wilkinson's and i'm worked at wilkinson's.ne really sad about wilkinson's and i'm worked at wilkinson's. are who worked at wilkinson's. are you sad about wilkinson's or are you sad about wilkinson's or are you saying that because you you just saying that because you think you should? >> are sad about not >> what are you sad about not having a wilkinson on your high street? >> for w reasons. one, >> well, for two reasons. one, because regularly because i shop there regularly and two, i'm in a trade and two, because i'm in a trade union. and think everyone union. and i think everyone who's at risk. so there's who's job is at risk. so there's two reasons. but you asked a point what can do next. point about what can we do next. so think some of it jacqueline so i think some of it jacqueline didn't talk about is didn't talk so much about is about tax system as well. about the tax system as well. labour would reform the labour said it would reform the business system because the business rate system because the business rate system because the business rate system because the business rate system, i think all it's quite all parties would say it's quite old and ends old fashioned and it ends up with firms it is with smaller firms and it is often firms. as you often small firms. as you alluded to, that did feel the high street of are used in the 80s small firms pay 80s and 90s as small firms pay a higher proportion of turnover or sales rates . at the sales in business rates. at the same you such an same time, you have such an enormous corporation at some enormous corporation as at some point who pay minuscule

enormous corporation as at some point ratesho pay minuscule enormous corporation as at some point rates bills|y minuscule enormous corporation as at some point rates bills andinuscule enormous corporation as at some point rates bills and they ule business rates bills and they they can manage to pay less in corporation tax because they have vast teams of advisers and lawyers. and then thirdly , lawyers. and then thirdly, there's online sales. well, clearly , internet shopping is clearly, internet shopping is not going to go away, is it? we all like to shop online. it's easy. you browse around easy. you can browse around sometimes it's cheaper, but there's a bit of an inequality in the tax system in between bncks in the tax system in between bricks mortar retailers and bricks and mortar retailers and onune bricks and mortar retailers and online retailers . and i think online retailers. and i think labour might have a look at as well. true that. >> are you guys sad at home that wilko is no more? i mean, i've got to confess i am really sad for all of those families that are affected that have perhaps lost their jobs and all the rest lost theirjobs and all the rest of i feel really for of it. i feel really sorry for those guys. as for missing those guys. but as for missing the brand, don't sad that the brand, i don't feel sad that wilko not going to be around wilko is not going to be around anymore because life moved on. they it. you they didn't keep up with it. you bam's your bargains all bam's your home bargains all this all that and all of this and all that and all of that. they popped up absolutely everywhere. wilko didn't compete. me the compete. if you asked me the management that business, let management of that business, let those down. i feel very those staff down. so i feel very sad for everybody that's

involved jobs. involved in losing theirjobs. but a loss if i do but i won't feel a loss if i do confess that the brand is not being on the high being present on the high street. missing anything? street. am i missing anything? you touch and you tell you get in touch and you tell me, but for now, speaking of high streets, we like to go there it's sunny, don't we? there when it's sunny, don't we? did see what i there? did you see what i did there? let's look the weather. did you see what i did there? let'that k the weather. did you see what i did there? let'that warm 1e weather. did you see what i did there? let'that warm feeling 1er. did you see what i did there? let'that warm feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt proud of boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather gb news. weather on gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office. i'll be feeling much more like autumn across the uk to start tomorrow morning, but it'll stay cloudy and milder across the southeast. that's because the milder air is being more confined to the southeast as this front has cleared east woods across the country throughout today . it's country throughout today. it's brought quite a lot of heavy rain and that rain will continue across southeastern areas through continued through this evening. continued risk through this evening. continued fisk unfil risk of thunderstorms until around 8 or 9:00. but then behind that, we get a lot of cloud across the southeast. some rain and drizzle still over the hills and the coast, but many areas seeing clear and dry weather across rest of the areas seeing clear and dry weiand across rest of the

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sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> well, there you go. what is the weather doing near where you are ? i've got to say, i wasn't are? i've got to say, i wasn't paying are? i've got to say, i wasn't paying attention to that weather forecast because we were talking already. we've on. we've already. we've moved on. we've been those been talking about those dogs. and really fascinated get and i'm really fascinated to get into after the break into this one. after the break with you, because last night you the viewer, were suggesting the viewer, you were suggesting something i can tell something to me. and i can tell you it really divided you now, it really divided opinion last night and it's done so again tonight. you some of you at last night were you at home last night were suggesting me that all dogs suggesting to me that all dogs should public. should be muzzled in public. your your words , your thoughts, your your words, your thoughts, not mine. should they be get in touch. you tell me and i'll see you

listening to news radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven alongside me, the former mep and now baroness jacqueline foster and former editor of labourlist peter edwards. also people getting in touch about high streets . paddy says the high streets. paddy says the high streets. paddy says the high street as we knew it is now

dead. high streets now need to be all about leisure, social life, pubs, restaurants, cafes. you name it. bookies. i would say , actually, paddy, gotta be say, actually, paddy, gotta be honest you, i think there's honest with you, i think there's one bookies on the high one too many bookies on the high street. i don't really like that, you know, especially when they're in a quite deprived areas. to be quite areas. they seem to be quite a few, often close proximity . i few, often in close proximity. i don't i'm just don't know, maybe i'm just a little old fashioned. and little bit old fashioned. and who's she says who's this? and she says shopping the high street shopping on the high street these has lost magic these days has lost its magic because the customer is basically to self serve basically expected to self serve everywhere you go. what happened to customer service? i hear you now. i always say the same , now. i always say the same, don't i, that this show, it's not just about us. it's very much about you at home now much about you guys at home now . i was talking about these excel bully dogs and the attack you might have seen it. the one in birmingham, the latest one. anyway birmingham, where anyway in birmingham, where a little old was attacked. little 11 year old was attacked. and loads of guys or and there are loads of guys or at least two of the guys were attacked of control attacked by an out of control dog. i was personally saying that, you know think it that, you know what, i think it is actually to start is time actually to start looking banning types looking at banning these types of the breeds or

of dogs or the breeds or whatever is. and i supported whatever it is. and i supported suella braverman in her quest to kind review this. kind of put a review into this. i then pondering , kind of put a review into this. i then pondering, i must i was then pondering, i must confess, do then confess, what do you do then about all the dogs that exist already? and well, already? and i said, well, personally round personally i think you round them you're very sadly, them up and you're very sadly, you have to put down. you have to put them down. people were outraged. people were with me, for were furious with me, peter, for suggesting such thing. lots of suggesting such a thing. lots of you got touch. you guys got in touch. and i read and i listened and i looked at of comments and at all of your comments and i started to turn a little bit and think maybe i was a little bit harsh with that suggestion. but notwithstanding i feel notwithstanding that, i do feel that feel safe that people have to feel safe when they're and about when they're out and about when it other people's dogs. it comes to other people's dogs. i'm not a dog owner. i know you're not either, so i'll come to just a member of to you first. just a member of the public. not a dog the public. that's not a dog owner. view is last night, owner. my view is last night, lots of them suggest id all dogs. words, mine, dogs. their words, not mine, should public. should be muzzled in public. what think to that? what would you think to that? >> to be honest, i'm muzzling all dogs. think i'd probably all dogs. i think i'd probably defer experts defer to the experts because there's huge range as there's such a huge range as this pretty horrific story shows. >> but as a member of public walking around the street, so i don't be an expert.

don't need you to be an expert. ineed don't need you to be an expert. i need to just be a random i need you to just be a random member public like anyone member of the public like anyone is. about your daily is. what going about your daily business, park or business, shopping park or whatever? would you feel whatever? how would you feel safer dogs were muzzled? safer if all dogs were muzzled? >> feel safer, absolutely. >> i'd feel safer, absolutely. the is whether that's the question is whether that's proportionate think proportionate in law. so i think there's for there's certainly a case for banning this type called american bully xl which american bully xl dogs, which one experts quoted this one of the experts quoted this week probably week described as probably the most dog breed he'd most dangerous dog breed he'd ever seen , which is alarming . ever seen, which is alarming. and i feel very sorry for this poor 11 year old girl who suffered attack and clearly it could have been a lot worse. i discovered one thing i didn't know actually this week, that it's an offence on the it's not just an offence on the part the owner. if a dog part of the owner. if a dog attacks someone, but merely part of the owner. if a dog attacks someone but merely part of the owner. if a dog attacks someone else,nerely part of the owner. if a dog attacks someone else, thely putting someone else, the ordinary fear ordinary person, in fear of their safety a criminal their safety is a criminal offence as so i think offence as well. so i think we've got to encourage dog owners to take a bit more responsibility and clearly the risks higher around risks will be much higher around dangerous dogs. risks will be much higher around daryou»us dogs. risks will be much higher around daryou see,ogs. risks will be much higher around daryou see, because i think >> you see, because i think there is a balance in society. i mean, we are a nation of dog lovers. i recognise that lots of people are getting in touch with me tonight. they're absolutely

appalled by notion. they're appalled by this notion. they're saying, actually, if you want to control owners. control anyone, it's the owners. you a muzzle on you want to put a muzzle on anyone, stick muzzle a lot anyone, stick a muzzle on a lot of these owners, and would of these owners, and that would help want to put help society. you want to put anyone down there saying leave the alone, the the dogs alone, go for the owners. of that sentiment owners. lots of that sentiment coming through on this inbox that dogs, it is that it is not the dogs, it is the owners. who is this ross says 90% of dog owners in capitals, he says, cannot control their dogs. he says muzzles, though, are not the answer. and he gives me a very long email as to all the different suggestions that he has. what do you make to it all? >> well, the first thing is where i would agree with him. the vast majority of dog owners are good. some of these attacks and this awful one on this little girl has been absolutely horrendous . and we've had far horrendous. and we've had far too many of these attacks. and they're all similar. they seem to be similar dogs, but they also use staffies. they use all sorts of dogs. i mean, i've been brought up with a way, brought up with dogs in a way, and we've had german shepherds, dobermans, the bouvier de flandres. big

flandres. these are very big dogs and the dogs have gone to school. dogs been school. the dogs have been socialised and the dogs haven't been with and been left with children. and i think we need to start to look at this. the other way round because it is about the owners. a lot of problems arose, i think, through covid because a lot of people got dogs that had never them before. and never had them before. and there's that there's too many people that don't realise it is an don't really realise it is an animal. not a plaything and animal. it's not a plaything and it's not a toy. so i think in terms of the owners, i think in this sort of case and we've seen terms of the owners, i think in even much worse than this, where people have been killed, i think the be jailed, the owners should be jailed, frankly . i think also. frankly. i think i'd also. >> what you do to the dog? >> what would you do to the dog? >> what would you do to the dog? >> well, the dog, if the dog attacks, the dog has to be destroyed. there's else destroyed. there's nothing else that just muzzle that you can do. just to muzzle i just as an animal. the i mean, just as an animal. the dog also regulates temperature through so to start, through its mouth. so to start, for in hot weather, for example, in the hot weather, if were muzzling everything, if you were muzzling everything, it's hard the dog to if you were muzzling everything, cool down as well. and don't forget, we service animals. forget, we have service animals. you see people obviously the guide dogs for the you've guide dogs for the blind. you've got service animals. got the other service animals. you've and rescue you've got search and rescue dogs. got dogs we

dogs. we've got dogs that we take into public areas and take into the public areas and police dogs. and not police dogs. and it's not feasible to be you can't say, well, we won't muzzle them, but we're going yours. so we're going to muzzle yours. so i there has to be a grown i think there has to be a grown up discussion about this. it's about education with children at school. it's about educating the adults, too. and it's about real prevention and deterrence to say if you have a dog and it is found to do this , you will be found to do this, you will be paying found to do this, you will be paying the penalty, your dog will be destroyed. in any event . and i think we need to look at some sort of registration schemes that's coming through. i think we need to at some think we need to look at some sort licencing,licencing sort of licencing, licencing overly bureaucratic. >> what people are >> that's what people are suggesting to me the inbox. suggesting to me on the inbox. yes. des you say michelle, it's simple. all non—dog owners will want dogs muzzled and most dog owners would want all non—dog owners would want all non—dog owners muzzled. so maybe there is this kind of because i don't you know, i wouldn't want to hurt a dog unnecessarily. i would think that if a dog attacks somebody , i do think, attacks somebody, i do think, you know, it does have to be put

down. i do absolutely share that view. but, you know, i am someone that is quite frightened of dogs. it was the way that i was brought i wish that was brought up. i wish that i wasn't. i was to cross the wasn't. i was told to cross the road anytime i a dog. and road anytime i saw a dog. and i think that was quite cruel, actually, if my dad to do that because he's brought me and my siblings up a fear and i siblings up with a fear and i try not to that on my try not to pass that on to my son. i try not to pass that on to my son i have try not to pass that on to my son. i have my son as son. i try to have my son as comfortable as possible. when there dogs but there are dogs around. but i have to put on an act because often a will come over and often a dog will come over and i am frightened and i try not to pass that on to my child because i want to be like what i don't want him to be like what i don't want him to be like what i am or what my siblings are. so i am or what my siblings are. so i think it's kind of a there's a two way street, isn't there? because i that dog owners because i know that dog owners all will say, oh all dog owners will say, oh yeah, puppy all dog owners will say, oh yeah, puppy dog. i've yeah, my little puppy dog. i've had these pictures of all had all these pictures of all these dogs they these beautiful dogs and they all yeah, he's a you all say, oh yeah, he's a you know, he wouldn't hurt a fly. he's soft as anything. he's like a family. he's a member of the family. he's like one of my kids. then like one of my kids. but then doesn't everyone say that if you lined a lot these people lined up a lot of these people whose have to

whose dogs then have gone on to attack people wouldn't they if you them two weeks prior, you asked them two weeks prior, wouldn't have exactly wouldn't they have said exactly the well i think the same thing? well i think some but think some would some may, but i think some would have that had have known that they had a dangerous frankly. dangerous dog, frankly. >> certainly when you're >> and certainly when you're looking at the attacks that have taken really serious looking at the attacks that have taker and really serious looking at the attacks that have takerand you've really serious looking at the attacks that have taker and you've got.ly serious looking at the attacks that have taker and you've got.ly dog. yus ones and you've got a dog. >> i have, haven't you? i'm very impressed with myself because i've get a picture of i've managed to get a picture of it the viewers to see. don't it for the viewers to see. don't mind. i'm breaching dog mind. i'm not breaching your dog privacy, not at the last of >> no, not at all. the last of the line at the moment is lollipop. and she was rescued from the carla lane lollipop. >> have look at >> let me have a look at lollipop, everyone. >> staffie cross. she's a little princess, i princess, and she's now about, i think, half. think, ten and a half. >> let me see. i need to see lollipop. there is lollipop. >> the programme, >> she's watching the programme, by way. by the way. >> well, hello, lollipop. but i. i'm to be. really? you're i'm going to be. really? you're going i'm really mean, going to think i'm really mean, but don't at that and see but i don't look at that and see a cute little doggy. i look at that. i would be quite frightened looks and frightened on looks alone. and i've honest i would. i've got to be honest i would. and then when i see that kind of dog then imagine my little dog and then i imagine my little boy his pushchair, think boy in his pushchair, i think would kind of dog

would i want that kind of dog going up to my little boy? i don't think i would. i'd be a bit frightened. >> it's dog going >> well, it's not the dog going up to your little boy, michelle. it's owner has should it's the owner who has should have the dog on the lead and have her the dog on the lead and not the dog over small not take the dog over to small children. she's half staffie children. and she's half staffie and dalmatian. goodness children. and she's half staffie and howrlmatian. goodness children. and she's half staffie and how that:ian. goodness children. and she's half staffie and how that happened.ydness children. and she's half staffie and how that happened. wells knows how that happened. well jacqueline makes, think, jacqueline makes, i think, a very fair point. >> personal >> it's about personal responsibility of responsibility on the part of the owner, isn't it? >> it's all personal responsibility. >> see, michael said you wouldn't people take wouldn't allow people to take tigers high street, tigers onto the high street, would you, no. and would you, michelle? no. and some dogs are as some of these dogs are as dangerous. you are really divided maybe it is divided tonight and maybe it is as as what my viewer just as simple as what my viewer just said you don't have a said then. if you don't have a dog, maybe have one, dog, maybe you just have one, then don't know. maybe it's a then i don't know. maybe it's a bit of inbuilt whatever. and if you do have obviously, you do have a dog, obviously, then in love with that then you're in love with that dog all the rest of it. it's dog and all the rest of it. it's a debate that weren't finished any time soon. got some of any time soon. i've got some of your thoughts as coming up your thoughts as well coming up before of the programme, your thoughts as well coming up befcla of the programme, your thoughts as well coming up befci do of the programme, your thoughts as well coming up befci do want of the programme, your thoughts as well coming up befci do want tof the programme, your thoughts as well coming up befci do want to move)rogramme, your thoughts as well coming up befci do want to move on|ramme, your thoughts as well coming up befci do want to move on and me, but i do want to move on and talk to you about littering. why do they've do people, when they've got a drive just chuck their drive through, just chuck their rubbish out of the window, just

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not hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. baroness jacqueline foster remain alongside me as does peter edwards. lots of you getting in touch about that dog topic . dave says we need topic. dave says we need licencing for all dogs and mandatory trainer thing. do you think that would work? liz you've put a lot of thought into this. you say we are dog lovers, but we would suggest bringing back the dog licence. she goes on say, you could basically on to say, you could basically tear she suggests the larger tear it. she suggests the larger the the more money people the dog, the more money people would to pay. would you would have to pay. would you think that that's fair? and how would even please that? would you even please that? because of people pointing because lots of people pointing out actually of these out that actually a lot of these breeders not licenced breeders are not licenced ehhen breeders are not licenced either. jacqueline which is telling break telling me a story in the break about a rescue dog that she previously had that been previously had that had been burned see burned with cigarettes. see that? i can't understand why anyone i why anyone would ever i mean, why would anything like that?

would you do anything like that? and i don't know actually, if we're tough on people we're tough enough on people that on animals, that are cruel, on animals, cruel animals. that cruel to animals. anyway, that is conversation that will is a conversation that will rumble and on, i'm sure. but rumble on and on, i'm sure. but i talk to you about i want to talk to you about littering the absolute state of it in this country. absolutely blows my mind. you see it piled up in so many different places. and when i people littering, and when i see people littering, ihave and when i see people littering, i have been partial to go up to people before and say, you know, you've forgotten or you've forgotten something or whatever. been very whatever. and i've been very swiftly no uncertain swiftly told in no uncertain terms where to get off, basically. but there's thoughts and surveys conducted now about whether or not people would support dry food drive through , support dry food drive through, you know, places like mcdonald's or whatever , printing on licence or whatever, printing on licence plate onto the plate numbers onto the packaging. so if you are indeed one of these people that chucks your of the window, your stuff out of the window, well, you can be traced and well, now you can be traced and fined. would you agree with that? >> well, it's a novel idea and we're all driven crazy by litter again, because it's a of again, because it's a lack of personal it's personal responsibility in it's selfish as well. and it's probably folk in poor areas who suffer from it more. so it's a

pretty horrible thing to do. i don't know how enforceable all this is. for example, are police going enforce this system of going to enforce this system of barcodes? already know that barcodes? we already know that much issues like much bigger issues like burglaries aren't being attended to. >> it would just be >> maybe it would just be a deterrent, though. you sit deterrent, though. if you sit there think yourself, there and you think to yourself, you pretty you know what, i'm pretty disgusting, really thinking disgusting, really just thinking i chuck rubbish out i can chuck all my rubbish out of window, but i know of the car window, but i know i'm going to get caught, so i'm not going to get caught, so don't worry. but if you thought actually there's a chance, a chance i might be caught, do you think deterrent? think it would be deterrent? >> it. i mean, 30 or 40 >> i doubt it. i mean, 30 or 40 years ago. i see where you're coming from. but 40 years ago, people said that about closed circuit television. it's everywhere now, isn't it? in town and there's still town centres and there's still a lot crime. lot of crime. >> well, it be that >> well, it can't be that everywhere because that fellow that escaped daniel khalife everywhere because that fellow that wandsworth,daniel khalife everywhere because that fellow that wandsworth, well,. khalife everywhere because that fellow that wandsworth, well, he|alife everywhere because that fellow that wandsworth, well, helalifea from wandsworth, well, he was a train. he only got. >> so that's a different. >> so that's a bit different. >> so that's a bit different. >> he got as far >> granted, he only got as far as notwithstanding that. >> but you know, we all hate litter, right? and it's pretty selfish. but cctv is not acting litter, right? and it's pretty selash. but cctv is not acting litter, right? and it's pretty sela deterrent.'v is not acting litter, right? and it's pretty sela deterrent. the not acting litter, right? and it's pretty sela deterrent. the police ting litter, right? and it's pretty sela deterrent. the police are as a deterrent. the police are really we'd really overworked, so we'd all love to litter cut, but i'm love to see litter cut, but i'm not sure this is really going to

be answer. so a no from peter. >> jacqueline it's a no from me. >> jacqueline it's a no from me. >> i mean, you can differentiate between people like fly—tipping which a massive and expensive which is a massive and expensive problem, to which is a massive and expensive problwith to which is a massive and expensive problwith that. to which is a massive and expensive problwith that. and to which is a massive and expensive problwith that. and i to which is a massive and expensive problwith that. and i think to which is a massive and expensive problwith that. and i think that deal with that. and i think that stuff enough i'd at a stuff enough i'd have at least a minimum £100 fine every where if somebody with their dog allowed it pavement it it to foul the pavement and it wasn't up, i think i've wasn't picked up, i think i've got a real thing about that. yeah. >> disgusting. >> disgusting. >> and there are also know >> and there are also you know when throw litter away, when people throw litter away, you've health issues. you've got health issues. i mean, if you go to countries with hot climates , you find with very hot climates, you find they're very strict on people leaving everywhere leaving litter everywhere because and because it encourages rats and it encourages infestations. and also then it can be health issues. so i think it needs to start perhaps a little bit more emphasis again from the kids in school. i'll make sure that you put your litter in the bin and stuff like that and adults actually need to set example. actually need to set an example. i've years ago i've been i was behind years ago , somebody in a car. it was a long time ago and we were at the traffic lights and threw traffic lights and they threw some in a some rubbish. it was in a village and threw village actually, and they threw it window and i'd it out the window and i'd stopped and i got out the

stopped behind and i got out the car and they didn't see me and i picked it in the bag and picked it up in the bag and i knocked on the window and i waved and they waved and they went higher they opened the went higher and they opened the window and said, i think window and i said, hi, i think you've forgotten something. oh, i they were. i said, and they were. >> it out? did >> so did you tip it out? did you empty it out. >> i just giving them and >> no, ijust giving them and i said don't come back. said said don't come back. i said unless you want to drive through here and not throw your rubbish here. maybe today here. okay people, maybe today would fearful. would be more fearful. but i think have stand on a bit think we have to stand on a bit of principle here because we all live same place. we all live in the same place. we all take up the same space. >> well, the principle is very simple. just don't be disgusting if your rubbish, if you've got your rubbish, take it you and put it in a bin. it with you and put it in a bin. it's difficult, it? i'd it's not difficult, is it? i'd love some of love to send some of our government over japan. by the government over to japan. by the way, don't have any of way, they don't have any of this. it's absolutely spotless. their streets. maybe we could learn or two from them. learn a thing or two from them. john a dog lover, but john says, i am a dog lover, but all dogs should be muzzled outdoors. there are too many dog attacks it is attacks now. clive says it is naive muzzles and naive to talk about muzzles and education, the kind of owners naive to talk about muzzles and educhave, the kind of owners naive to talk about muzzles and educ have, the kdangerous ers naive to talk about muzzles and educhave, the kdangerous dogs that have these dangerous dogs do less. they couldn't

do not care less. they couldn't give a he that give a fig, he says. that conversation. it really has. my dog attacked a bully dog got attacked by a bully breed basically owner breed and basically the owner could care less. as one of could not care less. as one of my viewers. look, time flies when having fun. when you're having fun. jacqueline, thank you. jacqueline, peter, thank you. thank you. at home. do not go anywhere. up next, anywhere. nigel farage. up next, nanny, rising boxt solar nanny, the is rising boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office. i'll be feeling much more like autumn across the uk to start tomorrow morning, but it'll stay cloudy and milder across the south—east. that's because the milder air is being more confined to the southeast as this front has cleared and eastwards across the country throughout today. it's brought quite a lot of heavy rain and that rain will continue across southeastern this southeastern areas through this evening continued of evening. continued risk of thunderstorms until around 8 or 9:00. but then behind that, we get a lot of cloud across the southeast. some rain and drizzle still over the hills the still over the hills and the coasts. many areas seeing coasts. but many areas seeing clear and dry weather across the

rest of the uk and it will feel clear and dry weather across the rest ofchillieri and it will feel clear and dry weather across the rest ofchillier tonight will feel clear and dry weather across the rest ofchillier tonight than eel much chillier tonight than recently . a touch frost is recently. a touch of frost is possible tomorrow morning in any sheltered glens or a sheltered scottish glens or a good deal of sunshine to start the day across the bulk of the country. however, the cloud will thicken through the day, particularly across the northwest also elsewhere. northwest at and also elsewhere. we'll get some weather we'll get some fair weather cloud up. but in the cloud bubbling up. but in the northwest, see rain northwest, we'll see some rain arriving and the arriving as well. and the temperatures will be a little bit below average for the time of year here. elsewhere, much closer september average closer to the september average highs about 18 or 19 degrees. highs of about 18 or 19 degrees. now, the rain pushes down from scotland northern england scotland into northern england on thursday, leaving many parts of england and wales of northern england and wales with and day. with a damp and cloudy day. elsewhere, though drier with a risk showers the north and risk of showers in the north and in the south and east, it will be drier once again . be milder and drier once again. it stays across the it stays warm across the southeast into the weekend with cooler, fresher weather, more restricted to the north. >> the temperatures

gb news. >> good evening. well the french police partying in calais as migrant boats leave the beaches. we'll speak to the express journalist who's broken this extraordinary story of excess and clearly actually happy for the migrants to come to the uk . the migrants to come to the uk. what on earth has happened to our £800 million? we'll talk about medical students. there is an exodus. yes, they qualify. and then a third of them or more leave the country. australia is facing a big vote next month. it could be australia's brexit star moment and the government are planning to ban disposable vapes to stop young people from taking up the habit. but will it actually work? does banning things really , really make a things really, really make a difference? but before all of those important debates, let's get the news with polly middlehurst .

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