gb news. >> good evening. well the french police partying in calais as migrant boats leave the beaches. we'll speak to the express journalist who's broken this extraordinary story of excess and clearly actually happy for the migrants to come to the uk . the migrants to come to the uk. what on earth has happened to our £800 million? we'll talk about medical students. there is an exodus. yes, they qualify. an exodus. yes, they quality. and then a third of them or more leave the country. australia is facing a big vote next month. it could be australia's brexit star moment and the government are planning to ban disposable vapes to stop young people from taking up the habit. but will it actually work? does banning things really , really make a things really, really make a difference? but before all of those important debates, let's get the news with polly middlehurst .

middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you. good evening. well, the top story tonight, poundland owner pepco has agreed to buy up to 71 wilko high street chain stores. it comes as the retailer prepares to close 24 of its outlets outlets today , with the rest to outlets today, with the rest to shut by next month. that means over 12,000 jobs are now at risk , although poundland says they do plan to offer roles to some wilko team members where possible. and that comes as barclays bank is cutting over 450 positions. unite the union, which represents employees at the bank, has branded the decision unnecessary and unjustified . and they say it unjustified. and they say it will leave people concerned about their job security and livelihoods. and they've criticised barclays for cutting jobs at a time when it's making big profits . this to lorry big profits. this to lorry drivers have been arrested in romania, accused of being part of a major organised crime conspiracy to smuggle migrants into the uk in the back of

lorries . nicolae into the uk in the back of lorries. nicolae toma is into the uk in the back of lorries . nicolae toma is accused lorries. nicolae toma is accused of attempting to smuggle nine migrants out of the uk in 2020. vasily buchlyvie is expected suspected rather of having dropped to migrant s he had smuggled into the uk at thurrock service station in essex in 2021. and that comes as gb news reveals that more than 3250 migrants crossed the english channelin migrants crossed the english channel in the last 11 days. it coincide with the longest run of good weather so far this year. home office figures show 144 migrants crossed yesterday in three small boats. today three boats crossed carrying around 120 people. now a residential street in glasgow was evacuated this afternoon after the discovery of a suspected unexploded ordnance device. police scotland say they were called to a property shortly after midday after it was found

in the back garden. the explosive ordnance disposal team has been dispatched to the property. a cordon, we understand, is in place and people in surrounding properties have had to leave their homes as a precaution . now, surrey police a precaution. now, surrey police say they're working to secure the safe return of sara sharif's five siblings from pakistan . five siblings from pakistan. khan the ten year old, was found dead at her home in woking in surrey last month. her father, her stepmother and uncle left the uk a day before with her siblings. surrey police say they're working with their international partners after a pakistani court ruled the children would be temporarily moved to a government childcare facility in pakistan . now a pub facility in pakistan. now a pub company is to charge customers around £0.20 more for every pint of beer during peak times . stone of beer during peak times. stone gate, which owns the slug and lettuce chain of pubs, says pnces lettuce chain of pubs, says prices will increase at 800 of their venues on evenings and weekends. it's called peak time

pricing and it's previously been donein pricing and it's previously been done in one off events like the world cup will now be introduced when there is a regular surge of customers . you're with gb news customers. you're with gb news across the uk , on your tv, in across the uk, on your tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news this is britain's news . channel good evening. news. channel good evening. >> well over 3000 people have crossed the english channel over the course of the last 11 days. that takes us up to nearly 24,000 for the year. and one of the biggest tactics we've used since 2018 to stop this flow of these young men has been to give these young men has been to give the french money. yes lots and lots of money to build fences, to fund policing and to fund equipment. but the funny thing is, it seems that the more money we give the french, the more migrants they send us. now, i

have tried at times to be rational about this and to say that to police. a stretch of beach that is 70 miles wide. if you go from dunkirk right down to berck in the west is a difficult thing to do . but the difficult thing to do. but the question that's often been asked is, are they serious ? s about is, are they serious? s about stopping the boats or are they happy? are they happy? and perhaps this is appropriate given that the rugby world cup is currently being played in france, are they happy to play wing three quarters so that people cross the mediterranean into spain, greece, they come into spain, greece, they come into france and of course, because of shingen there were no borders and then they simply pass the problem on to us and we've never really quite known the answer that question. the answer to that question. astonishingly if you look at the money we've given and the pledges we've made, we're now looking at about £800 million. yes, £800 million is what we paid the french to stop the boats. and in a moment, i'm going to introduce you to

somebody who's broken a big story in the express, a story about french police passing a story about their attitude towards stopping the boats and we've got to ask the question, are we wasting our money? i'd love to get your views on that. farage at gbnews.com. well, big story from zac garner. purkiss investigations editor of the daily express. big piece in today's newspaper, powerful piece. and thank you for coming in. so you've been off to calais . were you sort of undercover or how did you approach all of this? >> so it was is it was ten days in calais, ten days, ten days of . we basically went and we followed the police around. we the hotel that they're staying at four star accommodation in. if you ever accidentally book that you'll find confused british tourists and then just about what 50 or 60 riot vans and we had pictures of them pulling their guns out of the

van, you know, getting changed into their flip flops. and then what they really like to do was go and get a bite to eat and then hit the town and these aren't a couple of drinks after work. this is like you get in at 1130, you start doing the shots, you're there right the way all the way through to, you know, six, six in the morning when you we have got zach some video footage that you took, which we're now going to show our viewers here on gb news and tell us what we're seeing here. i mean, this is just a kind of this is a regular night in the police bar. the police , the spot police bar. the police, the spot that you know, they really love to go to. as you can see, it's pretty wild. you know, he's he's whipped off his belt there in his you know, put it around a woman's neck. and yeah, i mean, these boys go at it until the early hours. and what's remarkable is i'd actually see them down the next day at breakfast at full uniform on looking very relaxed. and

actually because i spoke to some of these guys. yeah you know, they're quite open about it. they say britain's paying for us to be here, you know, and whilst they're kind of strolling about in their sandals and, and, and you know know i'm not a puritan you know know i'm not a puritan you know know i'm not a puritan you know if they're out having fun, i'm against that per se i >> -- >> but kind of the thought that whilst they're doing this, the launches physically launches are physically taking place often launch place because they often launch don't two, three, four don't they, at two, three, four in the morning get across the in the morning to get across the engush in the morning to get across the english a rich english channel is a bit rich but it was some of the conversations you had with them afterwards me. zach afterwards that left me. zach absolutely they absolutely stunned when they basically said that, you know, we don't stop the boats. >> yeah. mean , i spoke to one >> yeah. i mean, i spoke to one of the officers and he said , of the officers and he said, yeah, i've, you know, i've caught the people on the beaches. i've let them i beaches. i've let them go. i spoke military police spoke to another military police officer said , i've got the officer that said, i've got the skills there and stop skills to go out there and stop the boats and, you know, stop them the water. them going into the water. i can't because my boss will tell me you can't go over that side. that's that side. you know, the local police, the military

police, they just had to watch them go out. so yeah, yeah, it happens. they let him go. >> well, it does happen. i've got some fresh video evidence of exactly this problem, which we're going to show on our screen right now. here's a screen right now. so here's a large number gathering on the beach being videoed. they know they're being videoed and the sun's rising and as we scan around, we can see on the sand dunes, the police cars are just standing there and on the beach, just standing there watching. we've got a second illustration of this , a classic beach of this, a classic beach boastful tiktok video here. they all are traipsing down about 70 of them towards the dinghy that is already waiting . and again, is already waiting. and again, as we scan around in a few seconds on this film , you will seconds on this film, you will see a whole there's the boat you can see in the background . if we can see in the background. if we scan around, we see three police officers and they're literally just there. we are standing and

watching . so zach , you've watching. so zach, you've exposed the culture in a way. we've not seen before. and well done you for doing it. how did they treat you as a as a journalist , they treat you as a as a journalist, british journalist ? journalist, british journalist? i would say brexit. british journalists . journalists. >> i would say that look , >> i would say that look, they're quite open about this. it's not this is not like they were quite happy to come and have a chat to a british guy. and, you know, it wasn't a kind of, oh, this is something we need to hide around the town. the approach is it's impossible . well, that's the way that's what people in calais think. that's what the police think. and yeah , if you think it's and yeah, if you think it's impossible, you are going to be standing around watching it happen you don't think happen because you don't think that it can be stopped . so, i that it can be stopped. so, i mean , yeah, it's just it's right mean, yeah, it's just it's right the way through and, you know , the way through and, you know, the way through and, you know, the interesting one is that there within the local community, they're really happy because they feel that the

presence of the police has cleaned up the town. they feel like, oh, we've got our calais back. you know, it's safer here. we feel better going out in the evenings and all of those types of things . and it's like, that's of things. and it's like, that's and that's actually what they see their role as they say, we're here to secure the town, not to stop the boats. so, i mean, that's quite an interesting from a french perspective, you could almost kind of get. >> yeah, if their first priority is to their own citizens, which our thought that our government thought like that . now, sunak is quite . now, rishi sunak is quite boastful he says that the boastful. he says that the numbers are still down 17. interestingly, they were down 20% just a couple of days ago, but a few calm days as it all catches up. i mean, my contention, zach, is that the only reason the numbers are down is that and august, the is that july and august, the weather was so awful. yeah yeah, 100. >> i mean, that's what you have to have, like reasonable weather to have, like reasonable weather to get to get those boats out there . and i mean, what i saw there. and i mean, what i saw from spending those day and night in calais, those police party, whether it's sun or rain, are they being paid a fortune ?

are they being paid a fortune? so the way it works is that they are like a mobile unit that moves around . so they're self moves around. so they're self sufficient. they do their own food, but they're on a 30% uplift as being the kind of travelling police. what travelling police. and what that's quite useful is if you got your accommodation, if you've got your food, it's a nice bit of beer money, right? so yeah, well clearly, clearly , yes. >> i mean i get that . zach, have >> i mean i get that. zach, have we wasted £800 million? >> i think like short answer is yes , they need to have oversight yes, they need to have oversight right? if they're going to spend the money, they need to have the border force embedded over there checking what's going on, running the operations. i mean, what was interesting, right. so at our hotel , what was interesting, right. so at our hotel, we saw on the last night a couple of british policemen coming down in the lift . now, you could tell lift. now, you could tell straight away there were british policemen. there were a couple there. one of the badges on on there. one of the badges on on the on their bags, which gave it away. but obviously, it wasn't it wasn't marked because they can't british police.

can't have it as british police. but it was really interesting about what are doing there? about what are they doing there? what they getting up what were they getting up to? how they mixing with the how are they mixing with the french? look, spent french? because look, i spent a lot of time with those officers. they take that posting they don't take that posting seriously they're seriously when they're in france. when they're france. sorry, when they're in paris for the riots. that's the serious work. calais get your flip flops on. >> get down the pub. i can see it. have you got more on this story to come ? story to come? >> we'll see. we'll see. let's. yeah, look , we. the way that we yeah, look, we. the way that we did it, we. we sent two teams out there, right? so i was. i had the hard job of following them round the bars the other two, the other team were on the beaches. two, the other team were on the beaches . right. and they were beaches. right. and they were just. they. you know, they were there for seven days. and they witnessed to two crossings, you know, two crossings where they just got away in amidst like police moving all around. >> extraordinary . well, i've got >> extraordinary. well, i've got to say, zac garner, purkis , to say, zac garner, purkis, investigations editor for the onune investigations editor for the online daily express, you've done a terrific job. you've exposed a very, very important

story . thank you for coming in story. thank you for coming in and sharing it with us, although i expect a lot of you at home and listening on radio will have been utterly furious to hear what zach's just been saying. but there we are. that is the absolute truth of it. in a moment, we'll talk about an exodus of people who've qualified in the national health service and will also go to australia. there's a referendum coming up next month. the result is going to be just as dramatic , if not more so, than the brexit vote here in 2016. all of that in a couple of minutes .

radio. >> just last night i was outside the studio too. young fellas, mid—twenties , came up to speak mid—twenties, came up to speak to me. they were both in their seventh year, getting fully trained as doctors . and one of trained as doctors. and one of them said to me, i'm off. i

said, what do you mean you're off? i'm off to go and work in germany. the money is better here. the conditions are better. the other fellow said, no, i will be staying as a doctor in the uk, but just worried the uk, but i'm just worried that keep going up and up that taxes keep going up and up and well, a survey that's and up. well, a survey that's been done, quite a big survey, suggesting a third of suggesting that a third of people qualify , why they've people who qualify, why they've gone through the whole process of being medical students, a third of them who qualify disappear. they go. they are going off to new zealand. they're going off to australia. they're going off to australia. they're going off to australia. they're going off to america. they're going off to america. they're going off all over the world. they're getting a load more money. and somehow i just do not think this is right. well, ken gp doctor julian well, ken gp doctorjulian spinks, who's been on this program before , joins us. julian program before, joins us. julian we've invested a lot of time and money in these people. seven years. i mean, goodness knows what the public cost of every qualified gp is and they're free to just disappear. why hasn't something got to change here? >> i think there has to be an

i'd have to say that the investment they've made as well is enormous and they're looking at the situation where, for example, the starting doctors wages now are below the people who they're supervising and it takes about 11 years to actually get their total earnings to match things like physicians , match things like physicians, associates who have to be supervised by them . they are supervised by them. they are working in a system which is falling apart. hospitals that are deteriorating with dodgy concrete. >> so morale is bad , really bad morale. >> so it's not just income, it's the quality of life. the fact they can earn more money, do less hours of work , be less hours of work, be appreciated more, and maybe have appreciated more, and maybe have a nice beach down the road. i'm not surprised they're talking about doing it. and the same thing is happening at the other end spectrum. the people end of the spectrum. the people of age who are getting of my age who are getting towards their career, towards the end of their career, they've suddenly realised that they've suddenly realised that they've out their pension. they've suddenly realised that they"can't out their pension. they've suddenly realised that they"can't earn)ut their pension. they've suddenly realised that they"can't earn any heir pension. they've suddenly realised that they"can't earn any more ension. they've suddenly realised that they"can't earn any more and )n. they can't earn any more and they why i stay they say, well, why do i stay here? i can go and get more money and have a better

lifestyle over there for a few years. >> so we have a massive problem. and of course, like so many other sectors of british life, we finish up with a shortage of trained people for a variety of reasons, and we rely on immigration to the gaps. immigration to plug the gaps. that's what's so crazy. that's that's what's so crazy. >> people man >> we're training people to man the new or the australian, new zealand or whatever health service , and whatever health service, and then bringing in then we're bringing people in often from countries who desperately those doctors, desperately need those doctors, west or whatever it may west africa or whatever it may be. absolutely. we've got to be. absolutely. so we've got to find a way keep them . find a way to keep them. >> you see, to me, i mean, look , it's a long apprenticeship, but ultimately when you get there, you can earn very good living. you can do private consulting on the side. it may be a long apprenticeship, but there is a big prize economic prize. ultimately for those that qualify. and move on. you see, i think there was this old victorian concept , think there was this old victorian concept, sort of dickensian concept of indenture that you had to sort of work your indentured period . and i your indentured period. and i think if we've invested seven years of our experts fees, our time and our money in training

these people, don't they owe it to us to give us at least a few years of service before going abroad? >> and i think what they'd say is that they have student loans off and well over £100,000. and so i think we've got to look at carrots rather than sticks. but the carrots could actually result in a draghi of service and i think i look at is , as you and i think i look at is, as you know, the army will pay you a bursary to train as a doctor providing you work a certain number of years or you have to pay number of years or you have to pay back the bursary. but why not look at all those student fees they're paying the student loan and write off some of that in return for doing a certain number of years service in the nhs that actually doesn't front load the cost because for the government they don't they don't want to spend lots of money right now, but because people pay right now, but because people pay student loans back over a number of years, it spreads the cost for the government and it means that is a financial means that there is a financial incentive people to on. incentive for people to stay on. not right now , because obviously not right now, because obviously if start as a gp, you're

if you start as a gp, you're well below the sorry, as a doctor, you're well below the amount that would mean you pay back your student loan. but it's a way of trying to encourage people to stay on. whereas if they leave the country then unfortunately they get the full fees again . fees again. >> yeah. they're running up >> yeah. and they're running up as big, big, big debts as you say, big, big, big debts . so the interest rate on those loans is about 7.5. now, i think it's a crazy amount or something like that. >> my children, who are not doctors , you know, some of their doctors, you know, some of their loans three times what they loans are three times what they took because it's took out. so simply because it's going faster than they can going up faster than they can pay going up faster than they can pay it off more broadly, julian, i to just whilst you're i have to just whilst you're here, the amount of here, look at the amount of money pumping into the nhs. >> we're spending 50% more >> we're spending about 50% more of health we of our gdp on health than we were less than a decade ago. and no one's seeing any improvement. what on earth are we going to do ? >> 7- >> it's a 7_ >> it's a very ? >> it's a very difficult thing to deal with because actually the health service was neglected for a time. we've ended up with a situation it's rather like someone who's not bothered servicing their car. and they've

said that because they've got to use all the money they have for the petrol they need for a day to day basis and five years on their car is falling apart, it's breaking down and so on. and that's what's happened to the nhs far more expensive nhs and it's far more expensive now than it would have now to fix it than it would have been putting some investment in earlier. but is very we are earlier. but it is very we are where are, are where we where we are, we are where we are and we've got to do something to actually tackle that. we've got that. i mean, we've got unfortunately things like dodgy concrete is concrete means that money is going to rather than going to go to that rather than actually building better hospitals. i'm aware of hospitals. as a gp, i'm aware of the struggle to the fact that we struggle to have enough consulting have actually enough consulting rooms. to see gp's rooms. people want to see gp's want see people. we want to see other people. we haven't the room put them haven't got the room to put them in there is a big in there. so there is a big challenge, george, but does challenge, george, but it does need a degree of looking at how we organise things again and i think it can be fixed but it's not going to happen in the next two years. you've been a gp for a long time. >> many years? >> how many years? >> how many years? >> well, in the days when we were using quill pens about 35 years. >> 35 years, i will bet that when you public trust in

when you started public trust in the health was the national health service was incredibly and absolutely, incredibly high and absolutely, absolutely . and how far is it absolutely. and how far is it falling? well i've spent about 32 of those years. >> absolutely defending the nhs and defending general practise. and many people said, i can't see my gp. i'd say, hang on a minute, have a look at it. now it's getting more difficult to defend it. are still working defend it. we are still working our socks off to try and make sure we can see people, but at the same time we can't actually meet and i can't say to meet demand and i can't say to people, oh, you'll always be able to see a gp, you're always get a consultation in very short order. it'sjust get a consultation in very short order. it's just not there anymore. and it's not for want of or a desire to of trying or a desire to actually do that. and provide that service. >> julian, were talking >> now, julian, we were talking about doctors. a about junior doctors. you're a more doctor. could go more senior doctor. you could go to australia and it's interesting of those medical students that want to go, 40% of those that want to leave the country want to to australia, country want to go to australia, you double your money and you could double your money and go to australia and live the go to australia and live in the sunshine. tended? sunshine. is it tended? >> i have targeted ads >> and i have had targeted ads saying, know, why not come saying, you know, why not come to queensland? why do that?

to queensland? why not do that? so to that i am very so i have to say that i am very happy as a gp, despite all happy as as a uk gp, despite all the problems. i really like working there it's always working there and it's always been me about paying been a thing for me about paying back people actually back to people and actually helping people the thing that helping people is the thing that gives the buzz than gives me the buzz rather than just financial side. just the financial side. >> you, julian spinks, >> i believe you, julian spinks, thank joining again. thank you for joining us again. well australia, let's well talking of australia, let's go to sydney right now. it's some unearthly but some unearthly hour, but alexandra marshall, freelance writer and contributor to the spectator , australia, is there spectator, australia, is there waiting for us. thank you for getting up in the middle of the night. it's a story, alexandra, that hasn't as yet hit the british press in any way at all, but i think it's to going i think australia may be heading for a referendum result even more dramatic than brexit. please explain to a predominantly british audience what this referendum is about and what's going on. well as the onune and what's going on. well as the online editor of the spectator australia, don't worry, nigel, i never sleep and i have published out hundreds of articles about

the referendum in australia based basically it's the voice to parliament and there are two views of thought. >> you've got the left side of australian politics who are saying this is essential to recognise indigenous people and you've got the bulk of australia, everybody else saying actually no , no, we do not want actually no, no, we do not want to include a race based clause into our constitution and i saw an article in the british press about this being simply about recognition of aboriginal people. no, that would be a preamble in our constitution. what is happening is they're creating an entire racial bureaucracy of selected members, not elected , who will get to not elected, who will get to have oversight using the high court about any parliamentary decision that goes through any law as long as it impacts an aboriginal person, which is of course everything. and the problem that the prime minister has got right now is that the more people hear about it and the people learn and the the more people learn and the more they the more more detail they read, the more they no more. they vote no more. >> yes, i mean the idea that one

racial group has a different set, a superior set of rights to another is clearly, clearly catching hold in australia as being a bad idea. but one of the reasons i liken it to brexit is let's, for example, take quantum as the great australian airline and what have they done with all of their planes they've emblazoned . and here we are, emblazoned. and here we are, we're showing some pictures now. yes, 23. there it is emblazoned on qantas aircraft and there's some there's a didgeridoo being played there and some aboriginal dancing and chanting going on. and we're all supposed to think, this is wonderful. and alex sandra, it is the big corporate . yes, it is much of mainstream media. it is, you know, central sydney, central melbourne, trendy opinion. it feels like brexit because it's the people against the establishment. >> you're quite right. it

certainly is, although it is operating in a different political climate . and the political climate. and the reason that things are falling apart for the campaign is one, people never like it when celebrities and the privileged class start preaching to them. it work well . it didn't it doesn't work well. it didn't work well in brexit. it's going down here. know down terribly here. i don't know if but the unofficial if you saw, but the unofficial australian anthem of the voice by john farnham, used by john farnham, they've used that campaign and that that for the campaign and that sank even further. but sank the vote even further. but we've got this unusual environment where indigenous people the loudest voice in people have the loudest voice in australia capita of anybody. australia per capita of anybody. they've got thousands of indigenous bodies, they've got more race based rights than anybody else . they've got about anybody else. they've got about 40 billion a year in money that goes to them, which is more than three times what's spent on any other and in that other citizen. and in that circumstance, had western circumstance, we had western australia passes indigenous heritage laws where an aboriginal body within two weeks started basically trying to blackmail green groups for planting trees and just yesterday we had an indigenous council place, a native title over three suburbs in brisbane.

and all of these things are making the australian population quite cynical toward this entire movement. it's not a spiritual connection or recognition which people are in favour of. it's very much feeling like something marxist , a little bit black marxist, a little bit black activism , something they activism, something they imported from the us. it's not australian. we are a nation of migrants and equality under the constitution is fundamental to the survival of our country. >> fascinating. so alexandra, what will the result be? come on. >> well, the way things are going in the polls right now, it is a very definite no. every state is currently has no in the lead except for tasmania, which is bizarre because they're the only conservative state in australia left. but you know, it's tasmania. what can you do? but anywhere where there's been any kind conflict with these any kind of conflict with these nafive any kind of conflict with these native it's gone native title acts, it's gone toward the no camp and even victoria nigel, which you would have seen on the news during all that covid stuff, even victoria is currently voting no .

is currently voting no. >> i love it. thank you so much indeed for joining >> i love it. thank you so much indeed forjoining us at this indeed for joining us at this time of the day and giving us those explanations. and yeah, you because you think that you know, because you think that injustices done in the past injustices were done in the past . well, creating modern injustices doesn't actually put that right. well, it's all enough, i suppose , to make you enough, i suppose, to make you in some ways want to go down the pub, but the problem is if you go now and it's busy, well, you may find that you have surge pricing and those prices have increased . would it be fair to increased. would it be fair to say that actually the price of a pint is high enough as it is? and what this particular pub group is doing is simply profiteering at your expense? we'll debate that in just

radio. >> so the stone gate group have 4500 licenced premises across this country and in 800 of them, they've decided to introduce surge pricing . this means that surge pricing. this means that

weekends or in evenings when it's very, very busy and the price of their drinks will go up by £0.20 or perhaps as much as a pound. i'm a bit surprised by this. it seems to me to be the opposite of happy hour. happy hour used to happen in pubs and bars actually when the most people were there, perhaps trying to get them to spend even more, which model works economically? not sure, but economically? i'm not sure, but it's the whole thing. not just the most gigantic mickey, take. well, i'm joined by hugh osmond , founder taverns, one , founder of punch taverns, one of uk's largest chains of of the uk's largest chains of pubuc of the uk's largest chains of public houses. hugh, surge pricing in pubs is a very new concept. yeah and i'm really glad to see somebody else trying it . first it. first >> look, it's not a new thing to adjust prices to according how busy you are. we see it in hotels sales. we see it in, uh, airlines. so it's not an entirely or even uber. yeah. and even uber. exactly. so it's not a new concept. it's been talked

aboutin a new concept. it's been talked about in the drinks and restaurant industry for quite a long time. obviously there are times, as you've just said, people make it cheaper. so a happy hour is, if you like, reverse surge pricing. yes. and i think possibly so long as you are saying that prices will be cheaper when we're quiet, it is perhaps legitimate to try charging people more when you're busy . i charging people more when you're busy. i mean, we do charging people more when you're busy . i mean, we do expect if busy. i mean, we do expect if you go out after the pub to a nightclub, which i'm sure you're going to do later on this evening, of course, drinks will be more expensive. so i think there is some justification for it. but i'll be very interested to see how works to see how it works and how stone do well. stone gate do well. >> stone gate group have >> the stone gate group have responded by saying stone gate group, all retail group, like all retail businesses, regularly review pricing to manage costs, but also to ensure we offer great value for money to our guests. so it seems to me from a business model perspective that what they're saying to their punters is, is when busy, punters is, is when it's busy, you'll pay a lot more. and when it's not busy, you'll pay the

same as you're now, same as you're paying now, it doesn't as being doesn't strike me as being a very incentive . very good incentive. >> no, i agree. if it works like that. but i think that, for example , the principle of happy example, the principle of happy hour was really always that you got people in when you were quiet and then hopefully they stayed prices went up. so stayed when prices went up. so the principle of kind of starting cheap and pricing go up isn't, as i say, new. i think that i mean, the most important thing for any food or drink establishment to me is that you get lots of customers in. and to do that they have to be reasonably happy. so if they just raise prices without any time lowering prices as well and giving people extra value, i think they'll lose customers and they'll be back where they started or worse . but so long as started or worse. but so long as there is a mix of cheaper prices at quiet times and higher prices at quiet times and higher prices at busy times , i think it's at busy times, i think it's okay. and you do have to. well it's been a really bad time for

pubs and the industry the last 3 or 4 years been the worst. i've known in hospitality. >> locked down everything else, everything else. >> mean, i've been in the >> i mean, i've been in the industry, dare i say it, since the early 80s. yeah and this is the early 80s. yeah and this is the worst period for hospitality . the worst three years i can ever remember. so people are trying to do things differently and trying to do things new and trying things. and trying all kinds of things. and you've to this that you've got to put this in that context. but as i say, i think it's an interesting experiment and what they have to do is say , if you come when we're quiet, we'll give you a really good deal >> yeah, if it was sold to me that way , i'd think, oh, well, that way, i'd think, oh, well, maybe we go in now or whatever it may be. i know that wetherspoons have sold off 35 to 40 of their premises. how are you getting on with punch taverns ? are you maintaining taverns? are you maintaining your stock of pubs? are you getting rid of some? >> well, i think . we are hoping >> well, i think. we are hoping that things return to normal. i

mean , basically or return to mean, basically or return to normal that you know, i mean, they're they're there are good signs in drinking pubs or there were good signs. it's not been helped by having a really bad summer in july and august. global warming has come late this year, as you'll have noticed. and september has been a lot better for the industry . a lot better for the industry. all is not lost in the pub world that that is for sure. and it's just a question, i think, of people fully getting back in the habit of dropping into pubs, not thinking they have to book, just going out spontaneously and you know, the good pubs will come through it . through it. >> i hope they do for your sake and for the sake of local communities and everybody. hugh osman, thank you for coming in and joining us this evening. a big day in washington dc. the speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy , giving a mccarthy, giving a speech a couple of ago . have couple of hours ago. have a listen . listen. >> these are allegations of

abuse of power, obstruct an and corruption and they warrant further investigation by the house of representatives . that's house of representatives. that's why today i am directing our house committee to open a formal impeachment inquiry into president joe biden. this a logical next step will give our committees the full power to gather all the facts and answers for the american public. that's exactly what we want to know . so exactly what we want to know. so there we are. >> that is a big moment on capitol hill today. and i have to say, i'm not surprised. i thought in the end everything had to catch up with the biden family when the hunter biden laptop broke in 2020 and we realised the sheer extent of the money that he'd earned from a variety of companies and regimes around the world, $20 million for somebody who's drug addled with no real business experience at all that ask questions. but

recent testimony through committees has alleged that joe biden himself, as vice president of the usa , was on the phone up of the usa, was on the phone up to 20 times during hunter's business calls with firms in ukraine, russia and perhaps even china to . but i think something china to. but i think something bigger is going on here. biden's level of competence or should i say incompetence, reached at just the most embarrassing levels in saigon 48 hours ago. in fact , it was talking such in fact, it was talking such gibberish that halfway through a live press conference, his own press officer in interrupted him and said, ladies and gentlemen, thatis and said, ladies and gentlemen, that is the end of the press conference. he gives a terrible image to america abroad. no one quite knows really what american foreign policy actually is in many parts of the world, the middle east in particular, and i'll make this prediction, number one, that that hunter biden does face charges from the

special counsel currently investigated him. and number two, my big prediction is that joe biden will not be the democrat nominee to run for president in november 2024. the party are embarrassed by him. they've had enough of him. he will be gone. trump whatever his situation , foreign, wherever he situation, foreign, wherever he wherever he is , will be. i'm wherever he is, will be. i'm certain the republicans nominee, but it will not be biden running again. i promise you that. well, we hear the government are about to bring in a ban. they love bans governments. yes. this time it's to ban vapes or at least disposable vapes . the accusation disposable vapes. the accusation being that they're being sold in flavours and colours that are attractive to teenagers . but the attractive to teenagers. but the bans on these sort of things work will have a big debate on that in

the march of the puritans continues unabated because today we get councillors representing 16 local authorities and in particular coming from lambeth council, where jim dixon, cabinet minister, is urging the government to change the legislation to ban outdoor smoking. yes, that's right. they've banned indoor smoking in pubs and restaurants. they now want to ban it outdoors as well. i don't think they'll stop until they ban smoking completely and indeed drinking as well and turn most of us into criminals. but today's news is that the government is going to ban disposable vapes. number one, they say they cause a pollution problem if not disposed of correctly. and number two, they're arguing they're aimed at kids . and if you look at some of kids. and if you look at some of the flavours, there's cotton candy, ice vape . this vape is candy, ice vape. this vape is strawberry ice cream . and this

strawberry ice cream. and this one is orange gummy bear. well the argument is the anti vaping argument is that these are targeted at youngsters. and yes, about 15% of mid teenagers do vape in some way. but whether banning things and whether putting all of this into the hands of the criminals is the right thing to do, i'm just not so sure now, francesco mosconi is professor of business economics at brunel university, london and recently published in the british journal of healthcare management , the british journal of healthcare management, an article saying that if people switch, if adults switch from cigarettes to vaping, it could save the nhs a lot of money. so francez so you're arguing in many ways that vaping can be a positive for society , correct ? positive for society, correct? >> nigel correct. in that in the papen >> nigel correct. in that in the paper, what i'm saying is that

if a 10% smokers adopted reduced risk products and i'm thinking about e—cigarettes, for example , or hitting not for burned tobacco and assuming that there is a 10% aren't risk reductions for developing smoking diseases like lung cancer or oral cancer and so forth , then the overall and so forth, then the overall population station would experience about a 3% decrease in hospital admission means 3% decrease in health expenditure , decrease in health expenditure, which means essentially that the saving would be annually more than 100 million of pounds in england. okay, but not zara aleena more optimistic scenario where the switch of these smokers pass from , you know, smokers pass from, you know, goes for 50% to this reduced risk products , then we're going risk products, then we're going to see a reduction in percentages of 13% of hospital

admissions , 30% of health admissions, 30% of health expenditure, which means that the actual saving in england annually will be more than half billion of pounds. >> i mean, francesco, that is thatis >> i mean, francesco, that is that is powerful as an argument . however, the counterargument would be you're talking about aduu would be you're talking about adult smokers . we do. we do not adult smokers. we do. we do not yet know the long term effects of vaping, how negative it may or may not be. do do you think is it your view that by selling orange gummy bears is that the industry has targeted teenagers or not? >> my view, i think is very clear. we should not target children an we should keep our children an we should keep our children an we should keep our children an our kids away from these products because i call these products because i call these products, we call these products reduced risk products. so we're not going to see, you know, zero risks. they're going to be risks. and if you're not an adult, you're not going to be able to choose. let me tell you

my position. if you allow me on on this disposable vapes, i think create an environmental issue. we know that. and this will lead to additional costs. we know that because we are discussing today this. but if you ask me if i'm happy to ban products in general, as an economist, i would say no , i'm economist, i would say no, i'm not happy. absolute bans historically don't work, nigel. don't work . you know, you think don't work. you know, you think about the alcohol, you know, it doesn't work. so in a perfect world, i would say in a perfect world, i would say in a perfect world, i would prefer not to ban them. and instead focus on education because this will lead to , let's say, a, you know, francesco. >> i have to say , i have to say >> i have to say, i have to say that i agree with you on that. and my worry is drugs are illegal, but huge numbers of young people take them. and if young people take them. and if you completely ban these, the criminal gangs will move into it. francesco mosconi, thank you very much indeed for your testimony. well, i'm joined now

by john dunn, director general of the uk vaping industry. by john dunn, director general of the uk vaping industry . john, of the uk vaping industry. john, welcome to the program. thank you , sir. chris whitty has made you, sir. chris whitty has made it very clear that if smokers move to vaping, there is a reduced risk to their health. he says. though if you're not a smoker, don't vape. but it is a useful way out of the worry perhaps that some people have got. is it a way in to smoking drug taking , whatever it may be, drug taking, whatever it may be, and you know, let's be frank , and you know, let's be frank, orange, gummy bears. that is a you know, that's aimed at teenagers, isn't it ? teenagers, isn't it? >> well, i disagree with you on that, but i have to agree with francesco and even why do this? >> but firstly, why do you why do you disagree with me on that? >> well, first of all, adults like flavours and one of the things happens things that happens when somebody smoking somebody moves away from smoking into want into vaping is they want to move away the taste away completely from the taste of tobacco. >> anything associated with that. adults flavours. that. and adults like flavours. i know laugh at me, but i know people laugh at me, but i'm a gin fanatic. >> nothing wrong that. and i'm a gin fanatic. >> noaing wrong that. and i'm a gin fanatic. >> noa strawberry that. and i'm a gin fanatic. >> noa strawberry candy at. and i'm a gin fanatic. >> noa strawberry candy floss|d i have a strawberry candy floss , flavoured gin, you know , i

, flavoured gin, you know, i like haribo sweets. >> so adults do like these flavours. but what's really important here is to make sure that that the products that are being sold are not being sold by vendors . who's selling them to vendors. who's selling them to young people and what we found is that there's a small minority of retailers that frankly don't care what they sell to whom. but the fines are very small. we had one retailer who was caught selling to a 14 year old and the fine was only £28. now that's ridiculous . fine was only £28. now that's ridiculous. so we want to fine was only £28. now that's ridiculous . so we want to see ridiculous. so we want to see the fines to be a minimum of £10,000. now the government is doing that for cigarettes. they just announced, but why aren't they doing it for e—cigarettes in the same way? and we're not going object an going to object to it as an industry. in fact, it's our idea industry. in fact, it's our idea in the first place. the other thing want to see we want thing we want to see is we want to see where these products are sold, that sold, licenced and that licencing, alcohol, has to licencing, like alcohol, has to include robust age verification, which is not. which at the moment is not. >> course, nothing is >> of course, nothing is licenced, right? >> of course, nothing is licesoed, right? >> of course, nothing is licesoed, rproducts are licenced >> so the products are licenced by they're approved by by mhra. they're approved by them. contain nicotine. them. if they contain nicotine. but sell them but the stores that sell them are not. think that needs

are not. and we think that needs to change. okay >> rather as it is for >> okay. rather as it is for alcohol or absolute perfect sense to us. >> no, no, i get that. >> no, no, i get that. >> and clearly there's pressure coming on the vaping industry. this government introduce this government will introduce this disposal. this government will introduce this disposal . was this this ban on disposal. was this government, all these governments love banning things. the is they're bad for the argument is they're bad for the environment. but i guess that how dispose , that depends how you dispose, how worried are you that if we ban disposable vapes , that ban disposable vapes, that actually and ban, you know , actually and ban, you know, maybe even put more pressure through the world health organisation on vaping as a whole they talking about whole and they are talking about this , do you worry this this this, do you worry this this trade could be driven underground? >> absolutely . you know, >> absolutely. you know, everybody is coming out against what the government is proposing to do action for smoking and health, for instance. who are the biggest health charity out there dealing with cancer. they don't want to see these products banned.the don't want to see these products banned. the trading standards institute have said they don't

want to see it banned because they know that it will just create a bigger black market. yeah >> yeah. no, i think that's right. how big is vaping in the uk if you include those illegal products, you're probably looking close to £3 billion. >> but as your previous speaker said , it's also have to add on said, it's also have to add on the savings to the health care industry. 250 people die every day from smoking related diseases . not one single person diseases. not one single person has died from vaping. a commercially produced e—liquid. >> but tobacco companies, of course , sell vapes and course, sell vapes and cigarettes, don't they? >> some companies do not all of them, but it's good to see them transitioning away from combustible cigarettes . but transitioning away from combustible cigarettes. but most of these products are not made by companies. they're by tobacco companies. they're made entrepreneurs, they're made by entrepreneurs, they're made by entrepreneurs, they're made by entrepreneurs, they're made by good british companies. and we need to be applauding that because they are doing a good thing for people's health. >> the vape is now part >> and the vape shop is now part of the high street. >> absolutely. it's been regenerative of the street. regenerative of the high street. i to say not of i would have to say not of itself, but certainly, itself, but but certainly, certainly amongst all the

charity shops, to see charity shops, it's nice to see somewhere, somewhere people actually somewhere, somewhere people act|john, thank much >> john, thank you very much indeed. and guess, folks, is indeed. and my guess, folks, is the will the government will ban disposable they will disposable vapes. they will regulate the tastes that are allowed to be sold. they'll think they're really doing an awful lot of good and it'll actually make almost no difference what so whoever coming up in a moment, state of the nation with sir jacob coming up in a moment, state of the nation with sirjacob rees . the nation with sir jacob rees. mogg. jacob, what have you got today? >> what have got? well, this >> what have we got? well, this extraordinary that we extraordinary statement that we need china for net zero and therefore have we abandoned our moral we willing moral compass? are we willing to deal that seems deal with a country that seems to indulge in genocide because of net zero, which seems to have become god? become this god? >> from kemi badenoch, >> and this from kemi badenoch, who sensible , who is the who is the sensible, who is the darling of the tory grassroots? even she's gone to the other side. >> jacob it just seems an inexplicable so we're inexplicable thing. so we're looking again at china and net zero, and then we're going to look triple lock. now look at the triple lock. now this be interesting a lot this may be interesting to a lot of viewers because the of our viewers because the question is, is it affordable? everybody that everybody wants to ensure that pensioners up, but pensioners income goes up, but can we carry on putting up with

8.5? >> no, that's right. you're absolutely right. that's it from me. have look at the me. let's have a look at the weather, temperatures weather, the temperatures rising, boxt solar, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> good evening . welcome to your >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office. they'll be feeling much more like autumn across the uk to start tomorrow morning, but it'll stay cloudy and milder across the south—east. that's because the milder air is being more confined to the south—east as this front has cleared eastwards across the country throughout today. it's brought quite a lot of heavy rain and that rain will continue across south eastern areas through this evening. continued thunderstorms continued risk of thunderstorms until 8 or 9:00. but then until around 8 or 9:00. but then behind that, we get a lot of cloud across the south—east. some rain and drizzle still over the the coasts. but the hills and the coasts. but many areas seeing dry many areas seeing clear and dry weather across the rest of the uk and it will feel much chillier tonight than recently. a of is possible a touch of frost is possible tomorrow morning any tomorrow morning in any sheltered glens and

sheltered scottish glens and a good deal of sunshine to start the day across the bulk of the country. however, the cloud will thicken through the day, particularly across the north—west and also elsewhere. we'll get some fair weather cloud bubbling up but the cloud bubbling up. but in the northwest, some rain northwest, we'll see some rain arriving as and the arriving as well. and the temperatures will little temperatures will be a little bit below average for the time of year elsewhere much of year here. elsewhere much closer the september average closer to the september average , highs about 18 or 19 , highs of about 18 or 19 degrees. now, the rain pushes down into northern down from scotland into northern england thursday, leaving england on thursday, leaving many of northern england many parts of northern england and wales with damp and cloudy and wales with a damp and cloudy day. though drier day. elsewhere, though drier with a risk of showers in the north and south and east, north and in the south and east, it will be milder and drier once again. it stays warm across the southeast into the weekend with cooler , fresher weather, more cooler, fresher weather, more restricted the north of the restricted to the north of the temperatures rising , boxt solar temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> hello , good evening. it's me, >> hello, good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight not only will net zero make us cold and poor, but it is forcing us to abandon our moral compass amidst the backdrop of the alleged chinese espionage scandal, the business secretary has warned that we need the help of the genocidal regime in order to reach net zero. why has this secular religion been raised above every other policy objective the pensions triple lock is set to blow a hole in the budget as wages rise by 8.5. state pensions are on track to surpass £11,000 for the first time as the population ages. the birth rate declines and a democratic demographic crisis stares us in the face is the triple lock affordable? would a labour government take us back into a winter of discord tent made glorious summer by a daughter of grantham? well, labour deputy leader angela rayner has announced rather fittingly to