us >> good morning. it's 930 on wednesday, the 13th of september. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pearson, bev turner. >> so human rights lunacy. former defence secretary ben wallace accuses the european court human rights of court of human rights of protecting terror lists and no sneaky changes. >> that's the warning from campaigner as to the prime minister who is considering changing the triple lock pension arrangement. mean heat warnings. >> a new study is telling us to cut down on our sausages in order to protect the planet . order to protect the planet. >> prime ministers questions today at midday. >> prime ministers questions today at midday . we'll bring you today at midday. we'll bring you all you need to know before we head into the house of commons for this week's clash .

for this week's clash. so you're giving up sausages .7 so you're giving up sausages? >> save the planet because i'm not. >> no, i'm not. >> i had a very nice sausage sandwich on sunday morning. i enjoyed it. and i think another one this weekend. weekend treat excellent. >> now talking of sausage sandwiches, should you have a relationship the office relationship in the office because boss of bp did just because the boss of bp did just that and the shares have plummeted this morning plummeted down 2% this morning because he's had to resign. we're going to be talking about the office romance . the ethics of office romance. first, though, here is your latest with lisa hartle . latest news with lisa hartle. >> good morning . it's just after >> good morning. it's just after half nine. i'm lisa hartle in the newsroom. the chancellor says the government is sticking to its plan to halve inflation as the economy shrinks by 0.5% in july. jeremy hunt remains confident about the future , confident about the future, saying the country quickly recovered from the pandemic and is growing faster than countries like germany and italy in the long term. but labour says it's a failing of the government . the

a failing of the government. the conservatives have dropped two potential candidates to become mps after the security service warned there could be spies for china. it comes after a parliamentary researcher was arrested in march under the official secrets act. the times newspaper says mi5 advised the tory party in 2021 and newspaper says m15 advised the tory party in 2021 and 2022 that two potential candidates should not be considered the conservative party says it will always act on advice from credible security sources as bp has seen its shares fall after its boss resigned yesterday over failing to admit his past relations with colleagues. bernard took the role as chief executive of the oil giant in february 2020. but in 2022, the company's board received allegations from an anonymous source about mr relationship tips. the 53 year old admitted he did not give all the details on the matter . a top medic says on the matter. a top medic says the nhs is not sufficiently resilient ahead of winter . dr. resilient ahead of winter. dr. adrian boyle, who is a president

of the royal college of emergency medicine , says last emergency medicine, says last winter was one of the worst on record for the nhs. he fears the health service could face a similar situation this winter, with 7.6 million people still on the waiting list in england . you the waiting list in england. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website gbnews.com. now back to andrew and . bev and.bev >> so good morning. thank you for joining us. >> shocking forjoining us. >> shocking comments from well i don't think that's shocking the former defence secretary ben wallace, in an interview in the daily telegraph, has revealed what lot of think are human what a lot of us think are human rights he says, have rights laws. he says, have become a serious risk to national security. become a serious risk to nat seel security. become a serious risk to nat see thaturity. become a serious risk to nat see that and other issues >> see that and other issues we're talk about this we're going to talk about this morning. by gb news morning. we're joined by gb news presenter former leader of presenter and former leader of the dup, arlene foster, and leader reform richard leader of reform uk richard tice. is your birthday leader of reform uk richard tice. tice. is your birthday leader of reform uk richard tice. tice. happyrr birthday leader of reform uk richard tice. tice. happy birthday.y richard tice. happy birthday. >> i was hoping you wouldn't mention thank you for mention that. thank you for joining again, richard, on joining us again, richard, on your birthday.

>> let's let's >> richard let's let's start with these comments with you in these comments from ben argument is ben wallace then his argument is because we part of because we have we are part of the if, for instance, the echr. if, for instance, there a terrorist that we there is a terrorist that we would like seek out and take would like to seek out and take out, like america did with osama bin have the bin laden, we don't have the right do right to do that. >> what is shocking about >> and what is shocking about this and it's an incredible expose actually, is that it's only come up because only just come up now because nothing's has gone nothing's changed. this has gone for and and for on years and years and years, no in government years, and no one in government has actually had the courage when they've known about when they've known all about this to anything about it, this to do anything about it, even if actually, as ben wallace was some was suggesting, you seek some form or change for form of derogation or change for those who to stay in the those who want to stay in the echr, want leave it. we echr, i want to leave it. we have to leave it. but nevertheless , for this to have nevertheless, for this to have gone on and on and only to come out now shows a complete failure of leadership within our security highest security services at the highest level government, level of government, explaining exactly why this wretched organised nation is thwarting the security services attempts to get terrorists because the advice from lawyers is that as we're a member of the signatory to the echr , that we're not able

to the echr, that we're not able to the echr, that we're not able to do it . so in theory, we can to do it. so in theory, we can we can take someone out with a drone, but we couldn't go and kill them . we can't capture we kill them. we can't capture we can kill them with a drone, but actually we can't go in with special forces and kill them or extract them. that's my understanding. >> when we saw that footage, though, if you remember that footage of american footage of the american administration or sat around watching footage , i, watching the live footage, i, i was deeply uncomfortable with that. was deeply uncomfortable with that . but it was deeply uncomfortable with that. but it was it was i thought i'm glad we're not that country that sits around with our government watching someone going them and watching going to find them and watching them shot. them being shot. >> it's a matter of national >> but it's a matter of national security. the first role of government to protect the government is to protect the citizens of the united kingdom and you and sometimes in leadership you have difficult, really have to do difficult, really tncky have to do difficult, really tricky things. >> don't think there was >> i don't think there was anything about anything difficult at all about taking laden taking out osama bin laden a monster. 911 all the i mean , monster. 911 all the i mean, from a utilitarian point of view, if you look at it, the harm that he was doing, not to just us as a nation, but across the world. >> so it was absolutely the right to but i think right thing to do. but i think what's interesting about this interview, ben wallace

interview, here's ben wallace providing service to the providing again a service to the uk by saying, here's what my lived experience was when i was defence secretary. i wish i had have had more options to protect the country , but i didn't the country, but i didn't because the european because of the european convention on human rights. >> all, northern ireland, >> you all, northern ireland, former first former northern ireland, first minister, massive minister, terrorism a massive part own arlene part of your own life. arlene foster do understand exactly foster do you understand exactly what saying here do. >> and i mean, terrorism has i mean, it's not a james bond movie. richard no, we're talking about this earlier on this is real life. this is happening now in the world. terrorism is finding new ways to injure people, to injure nations. and therefore, our our security services have to move with the times. and in order to do that, they can't be constrained. and i think what he's saying in the article is these human rights laws need to be looked at. he says that dominic raab was looking at them with what he had suggested, but of course that hasn't been rishi sunak is cancelled it, correct? >> rishi cancelled the planned like he's cancelled everything.

he just kicks everything down. >> can down the >> he kicks the can down the road the election . road beyond the next election. it's in the sort of pending it's all in the sort of pending a bit difficult yeah. a bit difficult box. yeah. >> people think i thought >> people might think i thought we out of the european we came out of the european union in part of the union being in part of the european of humans isn't european court of humans isn't the thing, it? the same thing, is it? >> it's the same thing. and >> it's not the same thing. and if it feels like the same thing, the line is that we are the bottom line is that we are subject a foreign political subject to a foreign political court. and frankly, that's outrageous. proves outrageous. and what this proves is it's not only a threat to our borders, it's a threat to the security of british citizens . security of british citizens. and it's got to stop. and ben wallace early and quite rightly says, done us a great says, has done us a great service. we know this same service. and we know this same court was the one that stopped the flight going to rwanda, an unnamed judge. >> we know whether it was >> we don't know whether it was a male or female or what a male or a female or what nationality they're from. unnamed cancelling that unnamed judge cancelling that flight. do up with unnamed judge cancelling that fligwell, do up with unnamed judge cancelling that fligwell, think up with unnamed judge cancelling that fligwell, think the up with unnamed judge cancelling that fligwell, think the courtwith unnamed judge cancelling that fligwell, think the court isth it? well, i think the court is actually the real problem. >> nobody's suggesting for a minute, barve's minute, and this is to barve's point we're to going throw point that we're to going throw all of our human rights legislations fact, legislations away. in fact, what we hoping to was to have we were hoping to do was to have our human legislation

our own human rights legislation and courts to and allow our own courts to determine the way forward, what we instead are judges in we have instead are judges in strasbourg not from our strasbourg who are not from our legal system and therefore they don't have the same understanding as our judges have in to the uk. so in relation to the uk. so i think there a middle way to think there is a middle way to deal with this and unfortunately the prime minister backed the prime minister has backed away in terms of having away from it in terms of having our human rights bill and our own human rights bill and i think was way to think that was the way to progress. >> interesting. >> interesting. >> he doesn't quite say just where move on. doesn't where we move on. he doesn't quite wallace that quite say, though. wallace that we out of this. we should come out of this. >> he doesn't. says >> no, he doesn't. he says you've deal with it in a you've got to deal with it in a different way. and that's that's a the a separate debate. the fundamental really fundamental point that really winds known winds me up is they've known about frankly, years about this, frankly, for years and and years, and no and years and years, and no one's had the courage pick it one's had the courage to pick it up deal with it and sort it. up and deal with it and sort it. he also does say because he's not doesn't just want to be able to terrorists to go and kill terrorists overseas because as you say, he can do that with can already do that with a drone. >> he also argue that we >> he does also argue that we should be able go in and should be able to go in and arrest terrorists, extradite should be able to go in and arrest to rrorists, extradite should be able to go in and arrestto our sts, extradite should be able to go in and arrestto our own extradite should be able to go in and arrestto our own country and try them to our own country and try them. know, i think it's them. so, you know, i think it's important to make clear

important to make that clear pension triple lock richard tice my when comes my massive issue when it comes to the election, predominantly because of elderly because of the elderly voter cohort, stand on cohort, where do you stand on it? is it something we can afford to allow pensions to be to go up exponentially when we have such high inflation? >> really difficult. >> it is really difficult. i mean, the simple answer is, frankly, get inflation down and then helps then actually that that helps everybody sense of the everybody in every sense of the word . you know, the balance word. but you know, the balance sheet, the finances are desperately stretched. what's extraordinary , though, let's extraordinary, though, let's remember that liz truss , this is remember that liz truss, this is one of the reasons that she was kicked out because she wouldn't maintain this pledge a year ago. and it's all fine for and now, oh, it's all fine for this government under , you know, this government under, you know, the globalist sunak to be the globalist rishi sunak to be able to even think about this sort of thing. >> foster m >> arlene foster when you did the deal, theresa may's minority government it up, you government to prop it up, you got an extra billion pounds for northern you also northern ireland, but you also said lock had to stay said the triple lock had to stay . well, why was it so important? >> this is one of the >> well, this is one of the things that sometimes people overlook. did, overlook. whilst we did, of course, to have investment course, look to have investment in ireland, also in northern ireland, we also looked issues as

looked at national issues as well. of those issues well. and one of those issues was actually the triple lock because we that because we believe that pensioners should receive enough to on. we still to get by on. we are still having food inflation, as we've mentioned , 12.2% food inflation mentioned, 12.2% food inflation and therefore the cost of living hits pensioners very hard and therefore i do think it's madness to be talking about when we're coming into an election yean we're coming into an election year, getting rid of the triple lock. and just for our viewers, i think we should maybe break down what the triple lock is because we talk these because we talk about these things people sometimes things and people sometimes don't know what we're we're we're referring to. so it's about average wage growth and average wage growth is over 8. and that's why we're talking about this, because it's going to mean an increase because it's higher correct. higher than inflation. correct. because issues are because the other two issues are consumer index or the consumer price index or the minimum rate by which it grows is 2.5. so it's the higher of either of those three things. and in this case, it's 8.5. >> and labour yesterday angela raynerin >> and labour yesterday angela rayner in her big conference speech, tuc refused to commit to it . it. >> the reality is , and the prime

>> the reality is, and the prime of this is affordable if you cut out the tens of billions of wasteful government spending across the whole country and then all of a sudden you've got much easier options actually to make the right decisions for pensioners . pensioners. >> where's the waste? what would you where would you say the waste is significant ? waste is significant? >> it most of the quangos across the frankly , are pretty the country, frankly, are pretty useless, utterly absurd. should we go on and on it goes. >> could we also cut the international aid budget? i do not want to give a penny to india. >> not going to give >> i'm not going to give a running commentary on shopping list. trust the waste is list. but trust me, the waste is obscene. it's everywhere and it affects all of these. >> much more importantly and very triple lock, very briefly, on triple lock, are to carve up are they trying to carve it up subtly by saying we're going to take out triple, we'll take out of the triple, we'll commit to everything but public sector bonuses be removed sector bonuses will be removed from , which will from the triple lock, which will cut £800 million, cost pensions £75 a year. is that how they're to going do it? >> so a very clever >> so this is a very clever treasury way of dealing with this issue. whilst we're this issue. so whilst we're saying average wages

saying it's about average wages , oh, well, we , they'll say, oh, well, we should bonuses should take bonuses out of average and that will average wages and that will bnng average wages and that will bring it down from over 8% to over 7, that that over 7, that means that pensioners won't get as much. and so the headline about being sneaky and i think that'll be raised today in the commons that prime it is sneaky raised today in the commons that primeit it is sneaky raised today in the commons that primeit is it is sneaky raised today in the commons that primeit is sneaky, s sneaky raised today in the commons that primeit is sneaky, absolutely . time. it is sneaky, absolutely. >> we finally got a glimpse this week . was yesterday, in fact, week. it was yesterday, in fact, about difference about the difference between labour because labour and conservatives because angela rayner, deputy leader angela rayner, the deputy leader of party, has said of the labour party, has said that she will give a cast iron promise to ban zero hours contracts. so this is often what we call the gig economy. there may be deliveries , supermarket may be deliveries, supermarket workers, people who don't have a guaranteed like guaranteed income, but they like to little bit of work on to do a little bit of work on the side from time to time that suits do you make of suits them. what do you make of her can her suggesting they can hear what she said? >> actually, let's have listen >> actually, let's have a listen to rayner the conference to rayner at the conference yesterday. day one basic yesterday. tuc day one basic rights zero hour rights a ban on zero hour contracts to fire and contracts and end to fire and rehire family friendly working strengthened sick pay, making it available to all workers, including the lowest earners .

including the lowest earners. >> yeah, actually i've got some personal family experience with this because my son, one of his first ever jobs, he was on a zero hours contract. and frankly, i thought, wow , i mean, frankly, i thought, wow, i mean, thatis frankly, i thought, wow, i mean, that is so in favour of the employer that it's in my view, it does need sorting for many. on the gig economy, actually, it does work . yeah, they like it. does work. yeah, they like it. but what you've got to have is a fair balance between the employee and the employer and that it's got to be that the employee has to be happy employee has got to be happy with the moment with it. so it's at the moment it's right and it's not a it's not right and it's not a fair balance. but would you ban it altogether? i think i think actually we there's better actually we there's a better way of because if you ban of doing it because if you ban it, then those who want be on it, then those who want to be on the economy, who want to the gig economy, who want to work 2 3 jobs, then actually work 2 or 3 jobs, then actually you're making harder you're making things harder for them. a smarter way to do them. so it a smarter way to do it. >> i absolutely agree with that. i mean, you cannot ban if people want to out for want to go out and work for a couple hours and get a bit of couple of hours and get a bit of money that they need. so a lot of mums and you're saying, no, you can't do that. think you can't do that. i think that's wrong. do accept that

you can't do that. i think that's employers) accept that you can't do that. i think that's employers take ept that you can't do that. i think that's employers take advantage of some employers take advantage of it just get rid of it and they just get rid of people at a whim and that is a problem and we need to look at that. but banning zero hour contracts, i think is contracts, i think that is totally authoritarian isn't totally authoritarian and isn't this the unions this labour saying to the unions who them, doing who bankrolled them, we're doing this because that's what you want, that's of the want, because that's top of the unions demand. >> yeah, you can see what's happening. i mean, if they get into power, they'll sort of they'll sort, they'll sort if they'll sort, they'll sort if they'll sort, they'll do that. well they'll sort of do that. well obviously i should obviously i think that i should be power so but i the thing be in power so but i the thing is politicians, you have be in power so but i the thing is be politicians, you have be in power so but i the thing is be optimisticans, you have be in power so but i the thing is be optimistic in., you have be in power so but i the thing is be optimistic in politics. ve to be optimistic in politics. yes. but look, there's a different way doing it. different way of doing it. there's smarter way of doing there's a smarter way of doing it. you can call them something else, you've got to be else, but you've got to be flexible for most important, you've for you've got to be flexible for the employees. and indeed for the employees. and indeed for the i stand the employees. and indeed for thei stand banning. i just >> i can't stand banning. ijust don't except the don't like the word except the eu on the last night of the eu flag on the last night of the proms. >> that's the one exception. >> that's the one exception. >> and medics working abroad >> and medics and working abroad was had leave was an outrage. i had to leave the was watching. i was the room. i was watching. i was there. the room. i was watching. i was the it. the room. i was watching. i was the if. there. i was almost >> i was there. i was almost sick with fury, mind you. so were they outside when they saw me walk in they were waving, me walk in and they were waving,

saying, i just it's your fault? >> actually, that's why i'm that wretched conductor speaking for six and banging on about six minutes and banging on about the human rights. >> that was the and can >> that was the end. and can i just you laugh about just say, you laugh about richard tice, but our inbox every of people every day is full of people saying, voted conservative for saying, i voted conservative for 20 years and i'm now going to vote reform. 20 years and i'm now going to voti so eform. give 20 years and i'm now going to votisoeform. give up just yet, >> so don't give up just yet, richard. i'm not giving up. >> don't you dare. coming up. i'm giving up. i'm not giving up. >> just warming richard, >> i'm just warming up. richard, we share something we need you to share something with it's your birthday with us. it's your birthday today. how old are you today? >> well, certainly not. that's far too much information. i couldn't far too much information. i couldn'have to google. >> i'll have to google. >> i'll have to google. >> you're not a pensioner. that's all we need. i'm not a gbviews@gbnews.com email gbviews@gbnews.com is the email address. you'd like to get in address. if you'd like to get in touch with us this morning. now, oil about on oil prices jumped by about 1% on tuesday, follows tuesday, and this follows the highest monthly petrol and diesel price increase in years. >> why this going on and >> so why is this going on and where the money going? where is all the money going? howard cox, founder of fairfield, uk. great friend of howard cox, founder of fair1program. great friend of howard cox, founder of fair1program. greatjoining of howard cox, founder of fair1program. greatjoining us this program. he's joining us now. to you. now. howard, morning to you. what's this about? is it those wretched what's this about? is it those wreyes.d what's this about? is it those wreyes. but in fact, it's opec >> yes. but in fact, it's opec plus, which includes russia. so they've got their fingers on the

actual production button and they're basically cutting supply, cutting production because they will increase profits. as simple as that. profits. it's as simple as that. but the thing, andrew, but the worst thing, andrew, about that we have been about this is that we have been we've got a body that we've actually got the competitions and authority agreeing we and market authority agreeing we should in place. my thing, should put in place. my thing, i've recommend pump i've recommend it called pump watch. a consumer price regulatory body. and the regulatory body. and at the moment pump prices. mean the moment pump prices. i mean the fuel supply chain are making huge amounts of profits and they're growing at the moment. why are we not got pump watch in place? jeremy hunt promised he would so what's going would do this. so what's going on? i'm writing to the energy on? so i'm writing to the energy secretary, the miss coutinho, to say what's going on and what why ? >> why 7 >> why haven't ? >> why haven't they 7 >> why haven't they intervened, in your view ? in your view? >> well, my view is because they're scared of the oil companies and scared of the fuel supply chain because what they don't seem to understand, 37 million drivers vote . and this million drivers vote. and this is an important vote. winner pump watch is an important opportunity for next year's

general election for them to actually stand by the motorists and get rid of these all these anti driver policies , anti driver policies, particularly this lottery of pricing in the fuel supply chain. >> we were really hoping howard , this autumn we'd start to see these prices come down again. people were optimistic. would they did come down and we were quite noticeable at the pump that they'd gone down. when might we see them go down again or is it impossible to say at the moment ? the moment? >> well, sources are telling >> well, my sources are telling me it is impossible to save every year, unfortunately. but my sources are telling me that we might have reached a peak of oil prices. they're looking at something like $12 since the beginning of august. it's gone up and the pound is also weaker. so obviously , sterling has made so obviously, sterling has made a difference in terms of actually the price of petrol, too. but i understand that oil will probably stabilising around the sort of $90 mark over for the sort of $90 mark over for the next well, probably the next couple of months . couple of months. >> we go on.

>> we go on. >> i was going to say how much now does this mean the average motorist is going to have to pay to fill up their car? >> well, the average motorist, you can just see we're looking at £1, 55, £1.56 average for diesel and petrol. they're not far between the thing. you multiply that by something like 55l for the average car, you can see that, but it's gone up 4 to £5 in the last month and that huns £5 in the last month and that hurts living crisis . yeah. yeah. hurts living crisis. yeah. yeah. and but the government are also looking don't forget we're not far away from an autumn statement and i'm hearing things they're looking at putting up fuel duty. they did that. that they're looking at putting up fuel d|be they did that. that they're looking at putting up fuel d|be politicali that. that they're looking at putting up fuel d|be political suicide hat they're looking at putting up fuel d|be political suicide on a would be political suicide on a seismic scale. >> well, they're pretty good at that. >> e- e— e do you want to be that. >> do you want to be london >> how do you want to be london mayor for the reform party? where we at with ulez at the where are we at with ulez at the moment? there's been a few, it feels country feels like, around the country there's few a few wins in there's been a few a few wins in your direction. an and what i mean that is that the mean by that is that the assessments whetherthey mean by that is that the assessments whether they were assessments of whether they were going or didn't and going to work or not didn't and they scrapped. i'm thinking they were scrapped. i'm thinking cambridge they were scrapped. i'm thinking cambthey're right cambridge >> if they're right cambridge have actually woken up and smelt proverbial we're seeing

proverbial coffee we're seeing up in glasgow, up in in scotland in glasgow, they actually introduced ulez and went up. and yet pollution went up. and those sorts things those are the sorts of things we're seeing more and more. there's anti ulez protests. there's more anti ulez protests. there's more anti ulez protests. the are anger is the drivers are anger is palpable. i've had a couple of wins in terms of recently got into the press regarding noel wilcox who actually found out that the ulez anneliese signs are illegal. they're unlawful . are illegal. they're unlawful. and i've got another exclusive coming out this sunday. so watch this space. >> let's bring in eileen . you're >> let's bring in eileen. you're still us and richard tice still with us and richard tice fuelis still with us and richard tice fuel is huge part of the family budget, isn't it? >> oh, it's enormous, particularly in rural areas where we don't have access to pubuc where we don't have access to public transport. do you think of northern there's no of northern ireland? there's no real the whole of real way in the whole of the west the province. our public west of the province. our public transport very good and so transport isn't very good and so people rely on their cars and therefore when the price of fuel goes that goes up, that has a disproportionate impact rural disproportionate impact on rural people. >> they do really raise >> so if they do really raise fuel duty in the autumn fuel duty in the in the autumn statement of signal, that's going that political going to do that is political suicide, isn't it? >> well, there's whole range >> well, there's a whole range of potential political suicides coming the way. but i mean

coming along the way. but i mean , increasing fuel , i think that increasing fuel duty is certainly something that will be met with dismay. >> and richard, they should be doing they should doing the opposite. they should be duty not only be cutting fuel duty not only for individuals families, for individuals and families, but for businesses . but also for small businesses. so stimulate more so you actually stimulate more growth, activity, which growth, more activity, which will therefore generate higher tax revenues in the medium term. that's what we've been saying . that's what we've been saying. that's what we've been saying. thatis that's what we've been saying. that is without question the right thing to do. and but will the government do it? no, because there'll be absolutely in the net zero fanatics, the one to reduce our activity on the roads using combustion engine cars. >> we discovered yesterday from kemi badenoch. the whole reason we're still to talking china is because we want to keep china make it up . make it up. >> i mean, people thought she was on the same side of the conservative party, but i mean, that was that was shown so absurd. yeah, utterly ridiculous at the very as we speak, china is building over 200 coal power stations . and why are they doing stations. and why are they doing that? to create cheap electricity so that they can

sell this expensive wind turbines and solar panels. could you ? you? >> well, i mean, the reality is china's the biggest manufacturer in the world. >> there was some good news for us this week that we overtook france in terms of we love being the manufacturer boost. so we're we're france but we're above france now, but china biggest china is the biggest manufacturer. that's because manufacturer. and that's because they cheap electricity and they have cheap electricity and let's be honest about that. i think kemi badenoch was think what kemi badenoch was speaking that speaking about was the fact that we china for a lot of we rely on china for a lot of our batteries that come over here in terms our electric here in terms of our electric cars. be looking cars. but we should be looking at supply and looking at that supply chain and looking to where those batteries are to see where those batteries are actually from. actually coming from. >> to be diversify in >> we have to be diversify in the chain. we have to the supply chain. we have to reduce dependency on china , reduce our dependency on china, which the western world which much of the western world is. that's absolutely vital, is. and that's absolutely vital, particularly, for example, if china to was to go into china was to was to go into taiwan in the in the meantime, we've got the energy bill been going just just going through parliament with nobody parliament here with nobody apparently giving it the scrutiny requires. scrutiny that it requires. >> pages it. do you >> over 300 pages of it. do you think mps were voting think that the mps were voting for really know for it? i don't really know what's in there. >> i've read it. it's an

absolute horror show. it is. and for any mp in my view have for any mp in my view to have voted shows that either voted for it shows that either they don't understand they they don't understand it, they haven't or they don't haven't read it or they don't care. it is seriously dangerous stuff. the idea that if you don't accept the latest smart metre, someone can literally come into your house, right? and impose one on you and then reduce your electricity and you could even possibly not sell your house if you haven't installed sufficient levels of insulation. >> it's also going to criminalise people, criminalise people with big fines , people with big fines, potentially prison, and they say, no one's intending that. >> that's not the point . it's in >> that's not the point. it's in the ability is in the bill. it would just require a simple would then just require a simple statutory instrument. >> not going to kick up >> are you not going to kick up in the lords about it? >> well, i think the point is that when it came to the people going into somebody's house, you remember metres and they remember the gas metres and they did take those metres out and what have you. there was a whole uproar about that and if they tried to do this, regardless of whether they have the legislative do it, legislative authority to do it, people not for that. people will not stand for that. people's their people's homes are their

castles. >> that's right. but you cannot allow to come and allow people to come in and forcibly into your forcibly put metres into your home. extraordinary home. but what an extraordinary admission actually admission that we're actually picturing going through. picturing this going through. but it won't work because the private business and or the state have to go to war state will have to go to war with the individual. >> mean, what this >> i mean, that's what this looks isolating looks like, isolating deliberately , leading low deliberately, leading to low level anarchy . that's right. level anarchy. that's right. >> you're talking about, >> what you're talking about, because open the because you just won't open the door well and this is door because. well and this is i mean, this is this is utter madness . but mean, this is this is utter madness. but this is mean, this is this is utter madness . but this is a madness. but this is a conservative government. >> yes. and is such an >> yes. and this is such an authoritarian . authoritarian. >> invented the word >> i invented the word socialist. see. >> i invented the word soci list. see. >> i invented the word soci mean, see. >> i invented the word soci mean, it see. >> i invented the word soci mean, it ise. >> i invented the word soci mean, it is so bad . >> i mean, it is so bad. >> but you see, we've had mps in this studio an off camera. i've said, can we talk about the energy i'm not going energy bill? and i'm not going to names. they've said, to name names. and they've said, i really know much about i don't really know much about it. that's right. they do. and that terrible dereliction that is a terrible dereliction of as far as concerned. of duty as far as i'm concerned. it's the most important thing they'll ever vote. >> through and >> that's whipped through and they read it's they don't even read it. it's a derelict of duty to their constituents. >> and it's dangerous. it's awful, should be stopped. awful, and it should be stopped. >> name shame >> we should name and shame everyone who votes it. everyone who votes for it. >> long list. it's a much

>> it's a long list. it's a much shorter list of those who didn't. but i think one of them who for it is david who didn't vote for it is david davis. to be talking davis. we're going to be talking to him in just a moment about the disinformation at the the disinformation unit at the government. thank you, arlene. thank is thank you, richard. this is britain's on news. britain's newsroom on gb news. >> the temperature's rising. boxt of boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good morning. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office. it's going to be a dry day for many today, but the cloud will thicken through the day and some wet and windy weather will arrive later . so we've got off to quite a fresh but sunny start out there and the sunshine will continue towards time. and many towards lunchtime time. and many of dry day. the of us seeing a dry day. the cloud will break up across the south—east as well, bringing some sunshine later , some sunshine here later, however, across northern ireland and into western areas of northern scotland, we'll start to see quite heavy rain to see some quite heavy rain arriving later. so it will start to cool off a little towards the afternoon. elsewhere though, feeling fresher than yesterday. highs around 19 20

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on here, but let us know what you think. vaiews@gbnews.com is the email address. first, though, here's lisa hartle in the newsroom . i'm the newsroom. i'm >> good morning. it's just after ten. i'm lisa hartle in the newsroom. the chancellor says the government is sticking to its plan to halve inflation as the economy shrinks by 0.5% in july. jeremy hunt remains confident about the future , confident about the future, saying the country quickly recovered from the pandemic and is growing faster than countries like germany and italy in the long term. but shadow health secretary wes streeting says it's a failing of the government i >> -- >> why -_ >> why was 5mm >> why was it that the last labour government was able to invest record levels in our pubuc invest record levels in our public services and keeping people's pay up and making sure we didn't have things like national strikes in the nhs ? it national strikes in the nhs? it was because we had growth in the economy. and when you've got growth in the economy, it means that people are doing well. you don't have to raise people's

taxes because there's more money flowing into the economy and more money coming through the treasury to invest in good things or to reduce the burden of taxation on people . the of taxation on people. the conservatives have dropped two potential candidates to become mps after the security service warned they could be spies for china. >> it comes after a parliament researcher was arrested in march under the official secrets act. the times newspaper says m15 advised the tory party in 2021 and 2022 that two potential candidates should not be considered the conservative party says it will always act on advice from credible security sources . bp has seen its shares sources. bp has seen its shares fall after its boss resigned yesterday over failing to admit his past relationships with colleagues. bernard took the role as chief executive of the oil giant in february 2020. but in 2022, the company's board received allegations from an anonymous source about mr looney's relationships. the 53

year old admitted he did not give all the details on the matter for a top medic says the nhs is not sufficiently resilient. ahead of winter. dr. adrian boyle , who is a president adrian boyle, who is a president of the royal college of emergency medicine, says last winter was one of the worst on record for the nhs. he fears the health service could face a similar situation this winter, with 7.6 million people still on the waiting list in england under health secretary maria caulfield says the government recognises the pressures that winter is a challenging time for the nhs and social care because people naturally get more unwell with respiratory illnesses. >> with flu we've had covid in recent years but also staff get sick as well so that puts additional pressure on our services. so we're putting in our plans earlier than ever before with bringing forward our vaccination programme. so this week, vaccinations are starting in our care homes already next week they'll be open to the over 65 seconds and vulnerable people i >> -- >> former conservative leader

contender penny mordaunt wants to build three versatile ships in the uk. these ships will be privately funded, could help with disaster relief research and training. there would be 135m long have cargo space and accommodate over 200 people. ms mordaunt says she wants to showcase the uk's strengths and promote international partnerships. >> they have low operating costs so low that different organisations, whether it's the government or whether it's a particular business or sector that wants to run a trade expo or it's a fantastic charity that wants to provide aid and assistance , they can charter assistance, they can charter these vessels . but the other these vessels. but the other nifty thing is that they are training platforms , so they also training platforms, so they also generate an additional income . generate an additional income. >> russia says it won't rule out exchanging weapons with north korea after blaming the west for supplying soviet weapons to ukraine. it comes as the north korean leader met with vladimir

putin earlier saying russia needs to protect its sovereignty and security. kim jong untold mr putin the two countries would together battle with imperialism. robert fox, defence editor at the evening standard, says this is a desperate move by vladimir putin. >> he wants ammo basically from the north koreans. he's desperate . they've been digging desperate. they've been digging deep into old and from what i understand from intelligence sources is quite bad. soviet stock. and it's the medium and heavy artillery shells . the 155 heavy artillery shells. the 155 of which north korea has a plentiful supply . now, what does plentiful supply. now, what does nonh plentiful supply. now, what does north korea want in return ? north korea want in return? could be anything should be a lot of food for a near starving populace . russian things are populace. russian things are desperate. there but they're talking rockets and satellite sites . sites. >> the uk's commitment to helping other countries has weakened . that's according to weakened. that's according to the centre for global development. the think tank says it's due to aid cuts and

focusing less on reducing poverty. the uk was a top g7 nafion poverty. the uk was a top g7 nation in this commitment, but this year it's fallen to seventh place behind france and germany . this is gb news across the uk on tv , on digital radio and on on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to andrew and . bev andrew and. bev >> very good morning. it's ten zero six, right? liam halligan joins us this morning to go through the latest of what's going on. we didn't we have an economy shrink in july, a little bit less than we thought it. >> we did, indeed. i mean, it's interesting to look at these numbers. they've just come out from the office for national statistics earlier today and the economy really quite economy has really shrunk quite sharply, much more than expectations in july. so let's have a at some of the have a look at some of the numbers . so have a look at some of the numbers. so gdp, that's the sum total and services. total of goods and services. gross domestic product in july , gross domestic product in july, it was 0.5% lower than in july

2022, which is quite a big downward leg because the weather was so bad . it was because, as was so bad. it was because, as i put here, it's partly because of the strikes and partly because of wet weather activity . those of wet weather activity. those strikes in particular hit health care, health care, contract voted by about 3.5. that's a major chunk of the services sector of the economy that helped bring gdp down. a rate rise now. now looks less likely when the bank of england meets on the 21st of september because the mpc, the monetary policy committee, they'll be thinking , committee, they'll be thinking, crikey, if we raise rates even more for a 15th time in a row, it's going to slow growth even more . but those on the committee more. but those on the committee who want to raise rates because they're still really worried about is still about inflation, which is still 6.8, they'll say, oh, but look, the economy actually grew during the economy actually grew during the quarter april, may and june. so maybe the july my downward leg is a bit of a blip, but not much growth, is it? andrew? we've not grown properly since the global financial crisis of 2008. western world has not

2008. the western world has not got out gear got out of first gear economically since those banking collapses. >> but relative against some other countries , we're not doing other countries, we're not doing we're not doing any worse. >> we're not doing too badly. we've avoided recession. that's to consecutive quarters of downward growth . over the downward growth. over the summer, the ons found all that extra growth down the back of the nation's sofa, as it were. so suddenly, rather than, you know, the usual suspects saying , britain's useless, , oh, britain's useless, britain's the only major economy in the g7 that hasn't fully recovered since the pandemic. actually all that turns out to be, to use a technical term, pants, because because, because we're actually in the middle of the pack. i'm not saying the cost of living crisis is over. it isn't. but real wages are now growing and it looks as if there's a, a of light that the bank of england will finally stop raising interest rates. and what about manufacturing? >> we've overtaken france. >> we've overtaken france. >> we've overtaken france. >> we have indeed. >> we have indeed. >> and manufacturing was going to because brexit. what >> and manufacturing was going to we because brexit. what >> and manufacturing was going to we make?e brexit. what do we make? >> we make? what do we make? >> do we make? what do we make? we don't make anything.

>> do we do electric >> crikey, do we do electric cars? >> not so. >> not so. >> the uk a massive >> the uk has a massive pharmaceutical sector that counts food counts as manufacturing food processing counts as manufacturing. still the manufacturing. we are still the fifth or sixth biggest manufacturing country in the world. okay it's not, you know, stephenson's rocket and the spinning jenny and you're not wearing a bonnet and saying, who will buy my sweet red roses? it's not the industrial revolution, but still revolution, but we're still doing all right. we are still a world class manufacturer. it doesn't employ many as doesn't employ as many people as it used to. but take the car industry. it's still employs getting on indirectly and getting on for indirectly and directly. a million directly. about a million people. yeah. okay and this is a major chunk of our exports. so we stuff, but we just so we do make stuff, but we just so happen to be the world's second largest services exporter. >> and is that still doing okay? because hasn't that contracted a bit ? bit? >> it's doing okay because with services we've got what we call the death of distance all these treasury models that brexit is going to ruin the economy. they they're all based on something called gravity assumptions, which a posh way saying

which is a posh way of saying you trade people that you trade with people that you're geographically near to what in senses , but what you do. in some senses, but how then we trade a lot how come then we trade a lot more with uae in the middle east than we do with sweden right. because the kind of stuff that we export, services you we export, the services you shoot them down in wales, you shoot them down in wales, you shoot them down optic shoot them down fibre optic cables, give services on cables, you give the services on zoom calls or it's film making or it's music or it's education. distance doesn't matter as much in a modern economy, particularly a services sector economy. so the economy is not going great guns, but it's not doing too badly. it's a mixed picture. and even these growth numbers are a mixed picture with the july numbers sharply down. but the previous quarter revised. actually it's not revised. so actually it's not too bad. >> your hunch is they won't put up interest rates. >> well, i've been calling for months and months for them not to put up interest rates. i'm not sure they've got the imagination up imagination to not put up interest i don't think interest rates. i don't think they've got the they've quite got the intellectual and intellectual grit and determination on on the monetary policy much group determination on on the monetary policythis much group determination on on the monetary policythis wasn't much group determination on on the monetary policythis wasn't mulist roup determination on on the monetary policythis wasn't mulist t0|p think this wasn't on our list to talk liam but i know you

talk about liam but i know you know about everything i'm know about everything as i'm here as you're here here but seeing as you're here and you know everything, i'm going you anyway. and you know everything, i'm goiibp you anyway. and you know everything, i'm goiibp shares'ou anyway. and you know everything, i'm goiibp shares this|nyway. and you know everything, i'm goiibp shares this morning down >> bp shares this morning down 1.7% because the chief executive, bernard was having relationships office. relationships in the office. yes. is that a serious is that significant for bp ? significant for bp? >> i don't think it will. it will affect the trend rate of growth of bp. but in the short term , for any major company to term, for any major company to lose its ceo in a way that hasn't been succession planned in a way that isn't previously announced and thought through to financial markets . announced and thought through to financial markets. i mean, would i use the words disgrace and scandal? i don't know because i don't quite know the nature of these relationships. but bp clearly is a very kind of buttoned up, tight lipped company that thinks very, very closely about its image . and closely about its image. and there must be stuff that's happened that means that bp have taken this major step, which of course, has implications for the market. >> what i've read, he's not doing anything illegal. yeah, there's a very there's a very pure, pure . pure, pure. >> it's about yeah, there's a

very puritana ethical statement from bp saying the board have values and this doesn't represent our values. i thought, well, you don't sound like much fun, do you? but why should it really have such an is? is the corporate workplace now such that you can't have a relationship with somebody in the office? >> well, it strikes me that in the modern world, it's the pr department and hr department department and the hr department of big companies that of all these big companies that run rather than the run the shots rather than the departments, hearts of the departments, the hearts of the business generate business that actually generate the generate the tax the wealth, generate the tax revenues and all the rest of it. look, bp is a is a major british company . it's look, bp is a is a major british company. it's in many, many pension funds . all kinds of pension funds. all kinds of people benefit from . and he was people benefit from. and he was a good boss, wasn't he? and he's he's a lifer. actually he's a bp lifer. he's actually from of ireland. he's from the west of ireland. he's kept relatively profile kept a relatively low profile outside industry . and it outside the oil industry. and it is a blow. this is a very complex industry, and there's a battle within battle going on within the industry bp for industry and within bp for hearts and minds. are they to going really go for this net zero or are they not? and zero thing or are they not? and bernard was very much of the school that they need to be very

pro net zero, maybe some traditional within bp will be happy that he's gone. >> i changed my mind. i'm glad he's gone. >> well, don't want net >> well, we don't want net zero at all. thank you so much. at all. liam, thank you so much. right. still come this right. still to come this morning the break, the morning after the break, the welsh government is calling for a ban on the welsh government now the ban on disposable now for the ban on disposable single talked single use vapes. we talked about english already. about the english already. they're same they're wanting to do the same thing and the french doing the same thing controversy same thing as well. controversy but what you think but let us know what you think we are gb news britain's news channel. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good morning. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office. it's going to be a dry day for many today, but the cloud will thicken through the day and some wet and windy weather will arrive later . so we've got off to quite a fresh but sunny start out there and the sunshine will continue towards many of towards lunchtime. and many of us a dry the cloud us seeing a dry day. the cloud will break up across the

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bev turner. >> now we're going to talk about something the something called the disinformation up by disinformation unit, set up by the government. a of mps, the government. a lot of mps, unlikely alliance. david davis the government. a lot of mps, unlikely tories. :e. david davis the government. a lot of mps, unlikely tories. green id davis the government. a lot of mps, unlikely tories. green partyfis and the tories. green party leader caroline lucas are unhappy it. david davies unhappy about it. david davies joins us now. david morning . joins us now. david morning. what do you think? he's there you are there, david. morning. tell us what this disinformation unit is, what it's supposed to do and why you're very unhappy with it. >> well, it was it was started back in 2019 after all the concern over interference in elections and so on from foreign bodies, as it were, foreign nafions. bodies, as it were, foreign nations . and for that reason , it nations. and for that reason, it was a perfectly sensible thing to have. but as soon as covid started and the government started and the government started reacting to covid, it's either use it bluntly as a way of trying to control free speech or actually eliminate free speech and control people's opinions . and so when someone opinions. and so when someone like me, for example , all wrote like me, for example, all wrote an article about the models that were being used to forecast

deaths and so on, i've written dozens of models in my life, and so i wrote saying this is a bad this this model is badly written, it's very poor and doesn't predict very well and so on. i was suddenly put on a list of people who be kept an of people who had to be kept an eye on. so and other people. caroline lucas in a similar way, when i when i spoke at party conference about vaccine passports, not vaccines, incidentally, but vaccine passports. and what a bad idea they were. again suddenly i got cancelled by youtube . now we cancelled by youtube. now we don't know whether whether the government actually made that intervention , but it sounds intervention, but it sounds quite likely the sort of thing they were doing anyway. and so what's happened is the government has tried to suppress real debate and real debate with members of parliament who , you members of parliament who, you know, should always have the right to reflect their constituents and say what they think needs to be said. that's how we get at the truth. so that was the problem. but it wasn't just it was also just them. it was also

scientists. and a really serious scientist, you know, questioning whether not, for example, we whether or not, for example, we should to should give vaccines to children, because children, you know, because children, you know, because children at from children are not at risk from covid particularly. but they are at from vaccine side at risk from vaccine side effects. so all those sorts of things that government was things that the government was basically impose its basically trying to impose its view world on society. view of the world on society. >> and of course , this has only >> and of course, this has only come out, david, because because people like you and also me, i did a subject access request on me. i'm on this list as well because i was questioning some of the reactions, of course, because as i quite publicly spoke out , because as i quite publicly spoke out, again, like you wanting to have the debate, wanting to have the debate, wanting to have the debate, wanting to ask the proper scientific questions, wanting a proper risk benefit analysis of a lot of the decisions that are being made. so have the government now fronted up and said, yes, this is what we are doing and this is why we are doing and this is why we are doing it. and we have we had an official statement from this department their department to explain their motives . motives. >> yeah, well, no, it's not really fronted up. i mean, there was was a wonderfully was there was a wonderfully mealy mouth comment from some

press i gather , which press officer, i gather, which said, we're not not said, oh, we're not we're not tracking individuals. we're tracking individuals. we're tracking . well, what tracking narratives. well, what the devil does that mean? you know, of course they're tracking individuals. you know, we're going people who going on to lists of people who had to be kept an eye on. that's what individuals all what tracking individuals is all about. it's bonkers . you about. so. so it's bonkers. you know, my hunch, by the way, is that michelle donelan, who's the cabinet who is cabinet minister who is responsible for this, isn't terribly comfortable herself. there was a rumour going around that to have it shut that she tried to have it shut down. stopped. course, down. it stopped. but of course, it's than one department. it's more than one department. there's mod element to there's also an mod element to it cabinet office element it and a cabinet office element to and defeat it in to it. and we'll defeat it in the end. i mean, i know the speaker of the house of commons is worried about it too. when caroline lucas and i wrote to the government, we also copied him because , you know, he has him in because, you know, he has concerns that, you the concerns that, you know, the absolute the democracy absolute right in the democracy is for the representatives of the people to have their say. and as you say, to try to get the truth. i mean , i mean, a lot the truth. i mean, i mean, a lot of the people who say, oh, well, this is these scientists who this is these are scientists who

are these things has got are saying these things has got no understanding of how science works. the most famous works. you know, the most famous book science called book about science is called conjecture and refutation, you know, you put up a theory and know, so you put up a theory and you it and you try and knock it down and these people simply are really just trying to control the debate and they shouldn't be allowed to do that. >> so, david, what do you want to happen? do you want this unit to happen? do you want this unit to be shut down or to be just more transparent? >> no. well a little bit of both. i want it shut down because i think it's proven it's not fit for purpose. and if we are going to have something to monitor, let's say foreign interference in elections . and, interference in elections. and, you know, given this morning's news about the chinese putting spies into the candidate system , we probably have to do that. it should be absolutely transparent to parliament. you know, probably have a select committee, oversee it. you know, so that we make sure that this sort of nonsense doesn't go on. you know, it's very dangerous . you know, it's very dangerous. and truth is, you know, bluntly,

i would put my view, my opinion of science above that of matt hancock any day. >> yeah, but but, but, but i'd certainly put people like carl henagan and, you know, even nobel prize winners over and above the opinions of the government. >> and he pointed out even today, we don't really know whether masks work. for example , you know, there are different opinions on that still haven't been proven. the arguments about lockdown are still going on. you know, sweden probably had the best results in the world and they have lockdown at they didn't have lockdown at all. know , you know, all. you know, you know, so these things are still up for debate. and we shouldn't sort of pretend that governments view is the truth. that's after all, that's the soviets did. you that's what the soviets did. you know so shouldn't be doing know. so we shouldn't be doing that country. that in this country. >> that would been if >> so that would have been if that set up 2019, david, that was set up in 2019, david, that was set up in 2019, david, that boris johnson's watch. >> yeah. yeah, that's right. watch. >> yeah. yeah, that's right . oh, >> yeah. yeah, that's right. oh, yeah, that's right. and you know, it is. it's. it's it may even have been the very end of theresa may's watch. i don't know. but, but it was, it was in

response the initial response i think is perfectly sensible , think is perfectly sensible, which was, oh look, we're worried about russia in particular meddling in our elections. now, we probably would worry china would russia worry about china and that's reasonable to keep an eye on that. but but not watching our citizens this is nothing like what that was intended for. and that's the other outcome of not having proper surveillance and proper transparency , parliamentary transparency, parliamentary surveillance and proper transparency. if you leave governments to do these things, they almost invariable go off they almost invariable go off the rails. you know , they almost the rails. you know, they almost invariably end up using it for their own purpose. and that's why you've got to control it. so that's why i say shut this down, frankly, shut this down and then have a if you want to have a special unit, you put it subject to a parliamentary committee and do way. yeah. do it that way. yeah. >> all right. that's david davis. >> thank you, david. >> thank you, david. >> always talk to you. david. >> thank goodness for mps like him. >> well, and it's great that he's joining forces with the green party. it really is. caroline lucas. shows

caroline lucas. it shows it's a cross—party matter. it shouldn't be and he wants it be party pre and he wants it shut down. know what it shut down. and you know what it won't it's sinister. won't be it's sinister. >> it's so sinister. it's so dystopian to think that we are being watched our being watched by our own government people government and lots of people watching program and watching this program and listening, being watched. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> that unit to stifle debate. and might be all right with and you might be all right with a government in but a conservative government in but when are when labour gets in, are you going be they're going going to be okay? they're going to they'll be watching to be they'll be watching you. >> i think they are now. >> i think they are now. >> well, yeah, but imagine if keir there. you're keir starmer is in there. you're you're they're going be you're they're going to be watching you and watching everything you do and then suppress your then they'll suppress your tweets they it in tweets because they do it in collaboration social collaboration with the social media and then debate media companies. and then debate is shut down. but will is shut down. but you will always right? always have gb news right? >> vapes. >> single use vapes. >> single use vapes. >> they going to banned >> are they going to be banned to be children? that's going to happen wales. happen in wales. >> right. it be >> that's right. it could be argued that vaping is healthier >> that's right. it could be arguesmoking.ping is healthier >> that's right. it could be arguesmoking.ping i�*of ealthier >> that's right. it could be arguesmoking.ping i�*of courser >> that's right. it could be arguesmoking.ping i�*of course it than smoking. well, of course it is. not doing is is. but not doing either is probably healthier than that. is banning the answer? probably healthier than that. is banningus the answer? probably healthier than that. is banningus to the answer? probably healthier than that. is banningus to discuss the answer? probably healthier than that. is banningus to discuss this answer? probably healthier than that. is banningus to discuss this is|swer? joining us to discuss this is the director of the uk vaping industry association, dan marchant, journalist and marchant, and journalist and author morning marchant, and journalist and auyou morning marchant, and journalist and auyou both morning marchant, and journalist and auyou both . morning marchant, and journalist and auyou both . dan, morning marchant, and journalist and auyou both . dan, let morning marchant, and journalist and auyou both . dan, let menorning marchant, and journalist and auyou both . dan, let me comeg marchant, and journalist and auyou both . dan, let me come to to you both. dan, let me come to you first. why do we need to

have vaping? i will allow you to put up the defence before we knock you right down. >> um, well, because it's been scientifically proven as a massive harm reduction alternative to smoking and smoke in being the leading preventable cause of death, not only in the uk, in the world and um, and, and, you know, we're focusing on the disposable vapes in this conversation and they've been proven, i think ash statistics that came out quite recently show us there's about 1.5 million adults using these products to quit smoking. >> just explain to us the difference, if you will, down because people don't understand how the technology of vapes work, what is the difference between the disposable one and the refillable ones that you can buy? >> um, buy? >>um,| buy? >> um , i guess the refillable >> um, i guess the refillable ones you you keep using, you buy a device and then you buy consumer tools to continues and over time. so that'll be e—liquids and potentially replacement coils or pots. um a

disposable vape is an all in one product that very much like a box of cigarettes. you take it out the packet, you use it when it's done, you throw it away. um, and they're actually proven to be really good introductory products for people because there's no learning curve with there's no learning curve with the refillable products you do need to understand what e—liquids you need to use when to change a coil, etcetera, etcetera . and quitting smoking etcetera. and quitting smoking and, you know, a nicotine addiction , it can be quite addiction, it can be quite stressful , but it does seem stressful, but it does seem logical why people are using simpler option. >> dan before we bring julie in, i just want to challenge you on what you said. it's a good introductory way you're talking about introducing young people to vaping. >> yes, you are. >> that's what you said. it's a good introductory way and we know that young people use these single use baits to switch right smokers who are used to smoking cigarettes. >> it's a good introduction to vaping. >> and you know who else? >> and you know who else? >> it's not for children,

teenagers are using. >> it isn't. >> it isn't. >> it isn't for it, is it isn't for children. i agree. but julie , let me bring you in. the idea that actually this the disposable vapes are quite simple to pick up and just start. that's the most persuasive argument i've heard so far for banning them . so far for banning them. >> yes , i agree. this can't come >> yes, i agree. this can't come soon enough for me. in fact, i'm i'm really happy this is being discussed and i'm surprised it hasn't been discussed already as our guests just said there our other guests just said there an introductory. they are an introductory. yeah, they are there introduction for there an introduction for children smoking and some of children to smoking and some of these children wouldn't even smoke if it was a boring plain black package. got from your black package. you got from your pharmacy. there was, you know, a bit more expensive. it's the fact very colourful bit more expensive. it's the fact as very colourful bit more expensive. it's the fact as we'velery colourful bit more expensive. it's the fact as we've talked.ourful bit more expensive. it's the fact as we've talked about bright as we've talked about before, the flavours and before, all the flavours and they're disposable. they're cheap. that's why kids are buying them . buying them. >> um, but so dan, the idea that they are marketed to children, aren't they particularly the dispose able ones, there's no getting away from it. you guys come on here repeatedly and say they're not intended for kids. well not working because well it's not working because

kids them . kids are kids are smoking them. >> yeah, because we have a problem with retail. all right. this isn't a problem. the product, it's an addiction. the people selling them. no, let me let carry on the problem is let me carry on the problem is people selling them to people that are selling them to children. completely children. it's completely morally shouldn't morally corrupt. it shouldn't happen. we absolutely lack happen. but we absolutely lack enforcement of the regulations in this country. now it's the same, you know, laws of all age, restricted products is illegal to sell tobacco to children . to sell tobacco to children. it's illegal to sell alcohol to children. and we still have these problems . and what we're these problems. and what we're suggesting as the industry is actually should licence us actually you should licence us and us money for that and charge us money for that licencing and use that money to create a national test purchasing scheme to fund trading standards , to go in and trading standards, to go in and root out these unscrupulous retailers that are selling to kids and slap them with enormous fines and penalties. >> we hear this . yeah. can i ask >> we hear this. yeah. can i ask you, isn't it unscrewed this to market single use vapes as bubble gum flavour strawberry flavour aimed specifically gummy

bear flavour for teenagers. that's your industry doing that? not the retailers . not the retailers. >> so what we've suggested as a as an industry association is actually a set of packaging and marketing guidelines that the government can use that will help . so it would change flavour help. so it would change flavour descriptors. now flavours are proven by all sorts of wonderful organisations , nations to be organisations, nations to be incredibly helpful for adult smokers who want to switch over to vaping because of the dissociation with with tobacco and removing that that urge to pick up a cigarette . but they pick up a cigarette. but they could be labelled in a much plainer way. they could be described in a plain way, but i don't think, you know , just don't think, you know, just something being strawberry flavoured is why a child would pick it up . pick it up. >> and it's not that you're right, dan , it's not just that. right, dan, it's not just that. it's not just that. it's the fact that the parents can't smell it. it's fact that the smell it. it's the fact that the teachers can't find it. it's the fact that they can smoke it in the toilets. all sorts the toilets. there's all sorts of aren't there,

of ways. julie aren't there, that made this the ideal that has made this the ideal gateway not gateway to nicotine. not necessarily cigarettes, necessarily to cigarettes, but to addiction. julie, to a nicotine addiction. julie, go yes , i think i think they are. >> they're a gateway. they're a gateway to smokers. you know, smoking starting become smoking was starting to become uncool smoking was starting to uncool. smoking was starting to just become sort of you just become a bit sort of you were ostracised, you it's were ostracised, you know, it's banned public it was banned in public areas. it was a bit like, oh, you smoke now there's whole generation of there's a whole generation of young introduced young people being introduced to smoking and they may not have doneif smoking and they may not have done if it wasn't for these pink and jolly coloured things that are basically aimed at them. let's face it, they're aimed at kids. they are. kids. of course they are. >> also a question to be >> there's also a question to be asked. julie about why kids are feeling need to do this. feeling the need to do this. there report in the paper there was a report in the paper yesterday fact that yesterday about the fact that they're it as a stress they're using it as a stress relief. we have relief. so we all have a responsibility to pay play here, don't we? yeah of course. >> if children are stressed and you the covid you know, this is the covid generation, through generation, they've been through two trapped in two years of being trapped in their rooms, away from their friends. know, gone friends. you know, they've gone through a social experiment to some they're some degree and now they're stressed. they're at stressed. they're back at school. but you know, we need to obviously support if

obviously give them support if that's but, you know, obviously give them support if that's and but, you know, obviously give them support if that's and starting, you know, obviously give them support if that's and starting to )u know, obviously give them support if that's and starting to smokev, obviously give them support if that's and starting to smoke is vaping and starting to smoke is not the answer. it's a way to a lifetime of addiction. >> an expensive habit >> it is. and an expensive habit at that. dan marchant, we really appreciate you joining us this morning journalist julie morning and journalist julie cook makes blood vape. cook makes my blood vape. >> don't boil because you know what they do? they stop. it's like a sweet shop . like a sweet shop. >> they start with vapes and then they move to on cannabis, not cigarettes. >> still to are you going >> still to come, are you going to sausages the to give up sausages to save the planet? not. nor is bev. but planet? i'm not. nor is bev. but we're going to talk to someone who we should. here's the who thinks we should. here's the news lisa hartle . news with lisa hartle. >> it's 1033. news with lisa hartle. >> it's1033. i'm lisa hartle in the newsroom. the chancellor says the government is sticking to its plan to halve inflation as the economy shrinks by 0.5% in july. jeremy hunt remains confident about the future, saying the country quickly recovered from the pandemic and is growing faster than countries like germany and italy in the long term . but labour says it's long term. but labour says it's a failing of the government . the

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1039. >> you're with britain's newsroom when gb news with bev turner and andrew pierce. now there's a big water problem across london. you have some impact. >> to be clear, while i'm saying it's my issue, it's not my water issue. it's not why i'm doing this. just had the message say that my kids school is closed this morning not alone. this morning and i am not alone. there's a power issue wreaking havoc of london havoc across parts of london because of low pressure this morning. so you might want to check your school in london check if your school in london is in the area. apparently there's a power supply problem and i've just had very , very and i've just had very, very excited children on the school . excited children on the school. >> are they on the phones and are they excited because they're being from school? being sent home from school? >> i can't tell you. >> so excited. i can't tell you. i however, i'm not excited because got to because that means i've got to now be talking you, worrying because that means i've got to now bthem ing you, worrying because that means i've got to now bthem getting ou, worrying because that means i've got to now bthem getting home rrying because that means i've got to now bthem getting home rryi the about them getting home on the train. they to going be all train. are they to going be all right? thames water right? what thames water done? we just to put we just we need to put a flipping pickaxe through a pipe. >> don't you think ? >> don't you think? >> don't you think? >> is a common water pump? >> is that a common water pump? >> is that a common water pump? >> is that a common water pump? >> i it is , yeah. >> i think it is, yeah. >> i think it is, yeah. >> think there's always leaks. >> i think there's always leaks. how much water do these water companies every day? 25.

companies lose? every day? 25. i know. you're paying all this know. and you're paying all this money in your water rates. they are a scandal. the privatised water companies, there is a scandal and they're shoving all this the to this pollution in the rivers to they're appalling. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> is. em- em— >> yeah, it is. it's all crumbling, isn't it? >> scandal. are you >> talk of scandal. are you giving sausages? because giving up sausages? because we've got to consider pickaxe in pipes sausages. pipes and sausages. >> today instead of >> a bit weird today instead of two sausages day. two sausages a day. >> not one. that's to >> why not one. that's to according a new study. >> to give up? >> are you going to give up? >> are you going to give up? >> no, not. saturday is my >> no, i'm not. saturday is my treat. sausage and egg bap. oh well done with that. >> sorry, i can't get the. i'm nervous. the kids are getting the train home. right. anyway, we're going joined now by we're going to be joined now by donna mccarthy , director donna donna mccarthy, director at good at climate media coalition. good morning . nice to see you. right. morning. nice to see you. right. just explain to us why we have to give up meat to save the planet right ? planet right? >> that's not exactly what the report is saying. it's suggesting globally we reduce our meat consumption by 50. so you can still have your saturday morning sausage . good. but just morning sausage. good. but just reduce our meat consumption by around 50. the impacts are very

positive for nature , for climate positive for nature, for climate and for health. so it's actually and for health. so it's actually a good news message for people in terms of reducing our meat consumption . it leads to many consumption. it leads to many positive benefits for britain and the wider world. so what is what you want fewer cows polluting the atmosphere ? polluting the atmosphere? >> is that what this is about? >> is that what this is about? >> well, that's right. to a certain extent. beef is one of the highest sources of methane gas . a methane gas is the most gas. a methane gas is the most one of the most powerful climate change gases. it's100 times change gases. it's 100 times more powerful than carbon dioxide. and so reducing the amount of and hamburgers we amount of beef and hamburgers we eat a real, step eat would make a real, real step in direction . already in the right direction. already around fryston, britons have reduced our meat, dairy, milk consumption by around 30% over the last two decades and the amount of meat consumption has stopped rising. so a third of the british public said they are willing to be flexitarian and to reduce the amount of meat are

consuming. >> can't w- consuming. >> can't. i think if >> honestly, i can't. i think if we're worried about 40 cows, we've been had we've been had because the biggest landowner in america now is bill gates . and america now is bill gates. and i'm sure you're aware of this. and what does bill gates want to do? he wants to make money out of us not eating meat because he's not putting cows on those fields. he's putting solar panels and he's encouraging us whilst building factories of fake meat. and you talk about health, good steak full of health, a good steak full of protein with some vegetables is better for you a bowl of better for you than a bowl of vegetarian pasta or the carbohydrates will eat in their place. this is not consensus thinking, but it seems like the religion of net zero presumes that we all agree with this. we . don't >> well, the actual fact is that if you think all this junk science , you're actually junking science, you're actually junking margaret thatcher. margaret thatcher's speech to the united nafions thatcher's speech to the united nations was one of the most important speeches she made. she said we have to take account of the climate emergency. and if we

don't, we will face temperatures that exceed the that will exceed the temperatures last 125,000 temperatures of the last 125,000 years. and that has come to pass. >> she didn't say, but she didn't say stop eating meat. >> she didn't say stop eating meat or we need to that we need to eat into nationally on climate change, 15% of global emissions come from agriculture. >> so we have to deal with meat. it's actually a health issue and it's a climate issue. and actually talking about the science, i mean , the real science, i mean, the real scientists on climate are who are absolutely right about what is unfolding, whereas the scientists from exxon, bp and shell, who very clearly said if we continue burning oil at the rate we're burning it, we would face catastrophic consequences. but in terms so are you just are you complete fully on board with agenda 2030? >> the un , the world economic >> the un, the world economic forum, just to quote it, you will still eat meat in 2030. oh, thanks very much . but perhaps thanks very much. but perhaps more like the parents and grandparents. you see it as a

treat to savour every few days. how is that progress going back to what our grandparents used to eat , what our to what our grandparents used to eat, what our grandparents would have been healthier on a on a lower meat diet. so that wasn't the meat. they were eating meat in three bedrooms. the fact that they weren't having crisps and biscuits and and pop, biscuits and cake and pop, that's why that's why they were healthier. >> the obesity epidemic in the united kingdom is extraordinary and the health impacts are i don't understand why you would disagree with so of the disagree with so many of the scientists the nhs across scientists from the nhs across imperial college. because i can find you scientists who will disagree with them because i can find these scientists and i think in terms of metabolic health, it's a very old fashioned, it's actually quite outdated should outdated now to say we should be eating meat. your eating less meat. what's your science background what's my science background and what's my science background and what's my science background? science background and what's my scielf:e background? science background and what's my scielf that's(ground? science background and what's my scielf that's all und? science background and what's my scielf that's all you've got? >> if that's all you've got? >> if that's all you've got? >> is what you've got to >> if that is what you've got to attack my position, attack me in my position, then you've lost the argument. i'm so sorry, but that is ridiculous . sorry, but that is ridiculous. >> no, it's not ridiculous . >> no, it's not ridiculous. because what you're actually saying is you're getting on a on

the public forum, which is really responsible. you're actually proposing something that actually contrary to all that is actually contrary to all of the major scientists . of the major scientists. >> it's not all. and that's the point it not all and every point. it is not all and every time the net zero zealotry comes on here and tells us there is consensus, there's never consensus, there's never consensus on science. the whole point science is there's point of science is there's never consensus. so whilst you're telling us what we can and our plate how and can't put on our plate how we or can't live our lives we can or can't live our lives and harking back to the 1930 and shout and shout, you can shout people down, but actually the facts, no matter how much you shout at me, is that every major scientific body in the world disagrees with you and not. >> and if you don't have science, i invite you to. i invite you to meet one of the world's top sciences, professor betts, the university of betts, from the university of exeter. will you meet him? and happy your science happy to put your science against him. okay. ask. against him. okay. can i ask. that's positive. against him. okay. can i ask. tha okay. )ositive. >> okay. >> okay. >> let me ask you a question. how much meat do you eat? >> haven't eaten meat since >> i haven't eaten meat since 1986. you healthy 1986. are you feeling healthy for it ? i'm very healthy. i'm in

for it? i'm very healthy. i'm in my 60s. my doctors say my health is very impressive compared to most people my age. and i worked as a professional dancer when i was vegetarian , when i actually was vegetarian, when i actually challenging physical. one of the most challenging physical professions you can do. and i was perfectly healthy . was perfectly healthy. >> and here's the thing. >> and here's the thing. >> was it the thing i want to know if it was a ballet dance? >> here's the thing. i will never force you to eat meat if you don't want to. and you must not me to eat less if not ask me to eat less if i don't want to, and that i think, is where we have to end it. >> right thing. >> right thing. >> all right. donna mccarthy, always good to debate you, always good to debate with you, director coalition. >> stephen pan on my left. you were spluttering. >> allowed to talk about >> i'm not allowed to talk about it unless scientist. it unless some scientist. >> yeah. >> so yeah. >> so yeah. >> you eat meat? stephen >> do you eat meat? stephen occasionally i do. i do like a mouthful of beef from time to time. did hear him? did time. emma did you hear him? did you hear him simulating stephen elf himself ? you can't help elf himself? you can't help yourself. >> i try . i'm yourself. >> i try. i'm trying to eat more meat. so me too. i think it's good for you. yeah, especially

for women. it's particularly absolutely energy levels. yeah i mean, i just think all of this is just complete madness. i think the problem i do have with eating meat is the amount of grain that it takes in most to feed a cow, which then provides the protein at the other end. >> there's a huge of >> there's a huge amount of protein wasted the protein gets wasted feeding the cow. then get the protein. cow. so we then get the protein. >> so think whatever. >> so i think whatever. >> so i think whatever. >> thus though, there >> thus though, right there is a place in some of these fields. >> they keep fields trim, neat. >> they keep fields trim, neat. >> this is the point, though, when you say there is a place for corn. >> there is. and i support anybody's right eat they anybody's right to eat what they want to eat. >> bloom let's with that, >> bloom let's go with that, shall we? >> well, you never know. >> well, you never know. >> maybe. >> maybe. >> are you horticulturalist? >> are you a horticulturalist? do the authority to do you have the authority to say, flowers? say, let the flowers? >> i've got an allotment. >> i've got an allotment. >> i've got an allotment. >> i know what i'm talking about. >> isn't the point, though. bev's this bev's point is this the intolerance this i intolerance of this lobby. i know, i know. that's the problem. is an arrogance. problem. it is an arrogance. >> couldn't agree. >> no, i couldn't agree. >> no, i couldn't agree. >> you have to agree with me. >> you have to agree with me. >> i entirely agree with you. >> i entirely agree with you. >> yeah, that's what we >> yeah, that's what i say. we won't deal with elon won't strike a deal with elon musk the hope that he musk in the hope that he expedites mars project. and

expedites his mars project. and all people go all of these people can go to mars and there. we want vegetarian. >> yes, i want clean seas to our cows and our agriculture. >> i want clean seas. >> i want clean seas. >> i want clean seas. >> i want clean rivers. i want less deforestation. there are lots things do. and lots of things we can do. and while obsessing about while we're obsessing about things eating meat, things like not eating meat, we're most important. >> inhumane to the >> it's also inhumane to the farmers feed the world. farmers who feed the world. >> absolutely. >> so absolutely. >> so absolutely. >> i can have one >> so i can only have one sausage my saturday, but as sausage of my saturday, but as opposed more than one to opposed to more than one to satisfy you, surely. >> right. wallace has >> right. ben wallace has accused human rights lawyers of protecting accused human rights lawyers of protway,g and stephen the way, emma webb and stephen pound, did we say that? we do know doing a know who stephen is doing a double the end of double entendres down the end of the desk. >> started already. honestly >> he started already. honestly you williams? >> he started already. honestly you no, williams? >> he started already. honestly you no, no, williams? >> he started already. honestly you no, no, i'm williams? >> he started already. honestly you no, no, i'm just williams? >> he started already. honestly you no, no, i'm just an williams? >> he started already. honestly you no, no, i'm just an admirer. ;? >> no, no, i'm just an admirer. emma webb let's talk about ben wallace and saying that if whilst we remain the we whilst we remain in the echr, we will to go after will never be able to go after terrorists the way that we terrorists in the way that we would to. would like to. >> he right? >> is he right? >> is he right? >> yes. and wallace, i think >> yes. and ben wallace, i think has great on this. we've has been great on this. we've seen so many problems. why didn't news? didn't he set news? >> secretary much didn't he set news? >> powerful?'etary much more powerful? >> he that he has >> he said that he has collective responsibility. >> he that he said it. >> he said that he said it.

>> he said that he said it. >> if he'd out on a limb, >> if he'd gone out on a limb, it would have been far more powerful. stephen maybe he shouldn't resigned. shouldn't have resigned. >> when >> however, he did say that when he defence and he was defence secretary and perhaps able to speak perhaps he wasn't able to speak out in the same way when he was defence secretary. who knows? but he did come but he said that he did come across that he said i across plots that he said yes. i came across plots and thankfully we action. but did not we took action. but i did not have range of options. but have the range of options. but did have of options? did i have the range of options? i'd like? no. so the point is that not only is the echr stopping from able to stopping us from being able to deal with security threat deal with the security threat and of the other problems and all of the other problems that illegal channel that arise from illegal channel crossings, it's also giving crossings, but it's also giving us situation where when us this situation where when it comes terror comes to terrorism and terror plots other countries, we plots in other countries, we have between drone have a choice between drone strikes or strikes them and killing them or nothing effectively. so we nothing effectively. and so we wouldn't to do the same wouldn't be able to do the same as, say, the us did with osama bin they raided his bin laden when they raided his compound. so are hamstrung, bin laden when they raided his compci nd. so are hamstrung, bin laden when they raided his compci applaud. are hamstrung, which i applaud. >> they did that, >> when they did that, i applaud. now, bev said she's really uncomfortable watching it on it, even though on tv. i loved it, even though it was simulated tv. >> i to say wasn't. i'm >> i have to say i wasn't. i'm very worried this. i mean, very worried about this. i mean, i think of course you are. >> you. oh no, no, hang on.

>> mean, i've got a lot of >> i mean, i've got a lot of time for it. his opposite time for it. i was his opposite number. in number. he and i were in northern ireland together, and i had lot of respect for him. had a lot of respect for him. >> he's good man, but he >> he's a good man, but he should said it when his should have said it when his defence said no, no, no. >> now got the >> i think he's now got the freedom roam wild and freedom to roam wild and free and say these sort of things. but look what he's talking about. not just and about. it's not just echr and the cross—channel stuff. he's actually talking about extra judicial rendition and extrajudicial assassination, in effect. now do we really want to have somebody have a situation where somebody who's expert who's a computer games expert sitting there outside ipswich can and blow can press a button and blow somebody i said can press a button and blow sothey'rel i said can press a button and blow sothey'rel terrorist, isaid can press a button and blow sothey'rel terrorist, therei said can press a button and blow sothey'rel terrorist, there is aid if they're a terrorist, there is a point that he's making. it's very said. you've very serious. he said. if you've got in got somebody from al—shabab in somalia, the somalia, it's unlikely that the government in mogadishu are going come going to say to you, yeah, come along it's along and arrest them. it's unlikely sharif family, unlikely that the sharif family, which is terrorist, but, which is not terrorist, but, you know, there's people in pakistan, we're probably not going cooperation. going to get the cooperation. but saying who but if he's saying that we who are who are are we? the west, nato, who are we? press the button we? we can press the button and kill sorry. that's we? we can press the button and kibit sorry. that's we? we can press the button and kibit like sorry. that's we? we can press the button and kibit like the sorry. that's we? we can press the button and kibit like the cia sorry. that's we? we can press the button and kibit like the cia in»rry. that's we? we can press the button and kibit like the cia in chile.|at's a bit like the cia in chile. >> but what about terrorists in northern ireland? we had arlene foster terrorism hang saying it. terrorism was a hang on a second. his would have on a second. his hand would have been a former been stayed. you're a former northern ireland man. i'm sorry. he stayed he would have been stayed by this know lot about the fiu

>> i know a lot about the fiu and i know a lot about what we did the north of ireland. and did in the north of ireland. and believe was things believe you me, there was things there do not approve of believe you me, there was things therworry do not approve of believe you me, there was things therworry me» not approve of believe you me, there was things therworry me greatly. )rove of believe you me, there was things therworry me greatly. you; of believe you me, there was things therworry me greatly. you can no and worry me greatly. you can no longer justify the longer say the ends justify the means. the state means. once you once the state starts without starts killing people without without any sort of judicial oversight, we've got a problem. whether it's in the north of ireland whether ireland or whether it's in pakistan or afghanistan. >> problem so >> and the problem is that so he's saying we should he's not saying that we should leave echr not saying he's not saying that we should lea shouldechr not saying he's not saying that we should lea should scrap not saying he's not saying that we should lea should scrap all not saying he's not saying that we should lea should scrap all ncthat.ing he's not saying that we should lea should scrap all ncthat. but we should scrap all of that. but what he is saying rightly and i to degree, know this from to a degree, know this from experience, because counter—terrorism used to my counter—terrorism used to be my beat. that long ago. that beat. not that long ago. that that that the current legislation is not fit for the sorts of threats that we face. it's hamstringing us and we need to be able to deal with these things effectively . and if you things effectively. and if you have former defence secretary have a former defence secretary saying that there were plots that taking place and that were taking place and i couldn't anything them couldn't do anything about them , one the purposes of , one of the primary purposes of government is to keep people safe. that's right. now safe. people that's right. now i am with bev in sense that i, am with bev in the sense that i, you know, very, very cautious about anything that gives people as stephen was saying, extra judicial powers . but we do need

judicial powers. but we do need to be able to deal with these things. we know that the things. and we know that the echr is causing us all sorts of problems sorts of areas echr is causing us all sorts of probhamstringingirts of areas echr is causing us all sorts of probhamstringing us of areas echr is causing us all sorts of probhamstringing us and reas echr is causing us all sorts of probhamstringing us and we; echr is causing us all sorts of probhamstringing us and we need and hamstringing us and we need to something. like to do something. you know, like i said, not suggesting that to do something. you know, like i seleave not suggesting that to do something. you know, like i seleave the )t suggesting that to do something. you know, like i seleave the echr gesting that to do something. you know, like i seleave the echr is sting that to do something. you know, like i seleave the echr is just| that we leave the echr is just suggesting that that international human rights law needs to appropriate for needs to be appropriate for these are separate issues. >> saying hands were >> he's saying his hands were tied defence tied by this as defence secretary from protecting us. we don't know how many potentially terrorists got away with it because his hands were tied. terrorists got away with it becwell,�*|is hands were tied. terrorists got away with it becwell, the1ands were tied. terrorists got away with it becwell, the reality rere tied. terrorists got away with it becwell, the reality is,e tied. terrorists got away with it becwell, the reality is, youi. >> well, the reality is, you know, do you remember when the ira were shot in ira suspects were shot in gibraltar? the gibraltar? you know, when the sas went out? been lots sas went out? there's been lots and when these and lots of occasions when these things and all things have happened. and in all honesty you may honesty, most of them you may know know, but honesty, most of them you may k|lot know, but honesty, most of them you may k|lot of know, but honesty, most of them you may k|lot of us know, but honesty, most of them you may k|lot of us civiliansknow, but honesty, most of them you may k|lot of us civilians willr, but honesty, most of them you may k|lot of us civilians will not but a lot of us civilians will not know about these things. these things . things happen. >> does know he does. he >> but he does know he does. he says yeah, says his hands are tied. yeah, well, i don't know. >> we don't know the story. >> we don't know the full story. well, i believe him. >> i this is this is this >> i think this is this is this is said, it's is a quote he said, it's a ridiculous catch position, ridiculous catch 22 position, which reflect the threat. >> think that's pretty >> i think that's pretty straightforward it? >> i think that's pretty stré but forward it? >> i think that's pretty stré but is ward it? >> i think that's pretty stré but is thej it? >> i think that's pretty stré but is the answer it? >> i think that's pretty stré but is the answer really >> but is the answer really pressing a button in norwich, killing somebody in jalalabad ?

killing somebody in jalalabad? >> he's saying it's not working for us. yeah. and people watching and listening are thinking, no, we're not. is it making us less safe to say something is working? something is not working? >> the equation. >> it's only half the equation. it's to it work it's what you do to make it work . the half of the equation. >> yeah . okay. both of you. >> yeah. okay. both of you. thank you much. thank you very much. >> pensions >> good start. pensions >> good start. pensions >> we are going to talk about pensions. going talk >> we are going to talk about pensicthat. going talk >> we are going to talk about pensicthat. all going talk >> we are going to talk about pensicthat. all sortsg talk >> we are going to talk about pensicthat. all sorts of talk about that. all sorts of interesting things. don't go anywhere because you've been drawing your pension. we're drawing your pension. and we're going to also be talking to jacob moment jacob rees—mogg in just a moment to would do with the to see what he would do with the triple pension. we're gb triple lock pension. we're gb news, britain's news channel. >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good morning. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office. it's going to be a dry day for many today, but the cloud will thicken through the day and some wet and windy weather will arrive later. so got to off quite so we've got to off quite a fresh but sunny start out there and sunshine continue and the sunshine will continue through towards lunchtime. and

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well. good morning. >> it's 11 am. on wednesday the 13th of september. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> right. >> right. >> we've got to be a bit serious. no. sneaky changes. that's the warning from campaigners to rishi sunak, who's considering adjustments to the pension . but the triple lock pension. but jacob rees—mogg will be to here tell us he thinks it has to tell us why he thinks it has to go human rights lunacy. >> the former defence secretary, ben wallace says the european court rights is court of human rights is protecting terrorists and his prime minister's question time at midday. >> does that appeal to you? we'll bring you all you need to know before we head into the house of commons for. pmqs i think the british public get really wound up by pmqs because it's a lot of yarbu, a lot of shouting and hollering. >> and for years they've talked about having a round chamber here because it's less

confrontational . it's never confrontational. it's never going to happen anyway. >> a lot of the big stories do come out of that. so do stay tuned. we're going have some come out of that. so do stay tune�*herer're going have some come out of that. so do stay tune�*herer're goi studi0|ave some come out of that. so do stay tune�*herer're goi studio withsome come out of that. so do stay tune�*herer're goi studio with us1e mps here in the studio with us as well done. glad as well. yes well done. i'm glad you i couldn't remember. >> mp coming to be >> and a labour mp coming to be very important. yeah, but they will be very important and it will be very important and it will interesting. will be very important and it will don't interesting. will be very important and it will don'tintianywhere. >> so don't go anywhere. vaiews@gbnews.com email vaiews@gbnews.com is the email address. here's address. first though, here's the lisa the very latest news with lisa hartle . good morning. hartle. good morning. >> it's one 11:01. i'm lisa hartle in the newsroom. the chancellor says the government is sticking to its plan to halve inflation as the economy shrinks by 0.5% in july. jeremy hunt remains confident about the future , saying the country future, saying the country quickly recovered from the pandemic and is growing faster than countries like germany and italy. in the long term. but shadow health secretary wes streeting says it's a failing of the government. >> why was it that the last labour government able to labour government was able to invest levels in our invest record levels in our pubuc invest record levels in our public services and keeping

people's pay up and making sure we didn't have things like national strikes in the nhs ? it national strikes in the nhs? it was because we had growth in the economy. and when you've got growth the economy, it means growth in the economy, it means that people are doing well. you don't to raise people's don't have to raise people's taxes because there's more money flowing into the economy and more money coming through the treasury to invest in good things or to reduce the burden of taxation on people . of taxation on people. >> the conservatives have dropped two potential candidates to become mps after the security service warned they could be spies for china . it comes after spies for china. it comes after a parliamentary researcher was arrested in march under the official secrets act. the times newspaper says m15 advised the tory party in 2021 and 2022 that two potential candidates should not be considered the conservative party says it will always act on advice from credible security sources as a top medic says, the nhs is not sufficiently resilient. ahead of winter. dr. adrian boyle , who's winter. dr. adrian boyle, who's a president of the royal college

of emergency medicine, says last winter was one of the worst on record for the nhs. he fears the health service could face a similar situation this winter, with 7.6 million people still on the waiting list in england, health minister maria caulfield says the government recognises the pressures . the pressures. >> the winter is a challenging time for the nhs and social care because people naturally get more unwell with respiratory illnesses . with flu we've had illnesses. with flu we've had covid in recent years but also staff get sick as well, so that puts additional pressure on our services. so we're putting in our plans earlier than ever before with bringing forward our vaccination programme. so this week, vaccinations are starting in our care homes already next week they'll be open to the over 65 seconds vulnerable people 65 seconds and vulnerable people . former conservative leader contender penny mordaunt wants to build three versus while ships in the uk. >> these ships, which will be privately funded, could help with disaster relief and scientific research. they'll also be used as a training platform for merchant mariners.

they would have they'd have cargo space and accommodate over 200 people. ms mordaunt says she wants to showcase the uk's strengths and promote international partnerships. they have low operating costs so that different organisations , whether different organisations, whether it's the government or whether it's the government or whether it's a particular business or sector that wants to run a trade expo or it's a fantastic charity that wants to provide tied aid and assistance , they can charter and assistance, they can charter these vessels . these vessels. >> but the other nifty thing is that they are training platform , so they also generate an additional income . additional income. >> labour is planning to block government plans to relax environmental rules to build more homes. the house of lords will vote soon on getting rid of rules from the eu that make builders protect rivers when constructing homes. the government says these changes will allow for 100,000 new homes by 2030. but the labour party says this will harm rivers , as says this will harm rivers, as russia says it won't rule out

exchanging weapons with north korea after blaming the west for supplying soviet weapons to ukraine. it comes as the north korean leader met with vladimir putin earlier , saying russia putin earlier, saying russia needs to protect its sovereignty and security. kim jong untold mr putin the two countries would work together to battle with imperialism . robert fox, defence imperialism. robert fox, defence editor at the evening standard, says this is a desperate move by vladimir putin. >> he wants ammo basically from the north koreans. he's desperate . they've been digging desperate. they've been digging deep into old and from what i understand from intelligence sources is quite bad. soviet stock and it's the medium and heavy artillery shells . the 155 heavy artillery shells. the 155 of which north korea has a plentiful supply . now, what does plentiful supply. now, what does nonh plentiful supply. now, what does north korea want in return ? north korea want in return? could be anything should be a lot of food for a near starving populace. russian things are desperate. there but they're talking rockets and satellite

sites . sites. >> the uk's commitment to helping other countries has weakened . that's according to weakened. that's according to the centre for global development. the think tank says it's due to aid. it's due to aid cuts and focusing less on reducing poverty. the uk was a top g7 nation in this commitment , but this year it's fallen to seventh place behind france and germany . seventh place behind france and germany. this seventh place behind france and germany . this is gb news seventh place behind france and germany. this is gb news across the uk on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to andrew and . bev back to andrew and. bev >> it's what is the time? it's 1106 and we've got it right. >> you normally say 1006 at this time of the day. >> now we're talking about the future pension future of the state pension triple sunak triple lock because rishi sunak at the weekend didn't say whether with it. whether he would stick with it. the at the tuc the labour party at the tuc conference yesterday pretty much dropped a hint. they might get rid it. rid of it. >> they rid of it. » they >> they wouldn't commit to keeping would they? that's keeping it, would they? that's right. election. right. after the next election. so on gb news breakfast,

so earlier on gb news breakfast, eamonn and isabel spoke to shadow secretary wes shadow health secretary wes streeting labour's plans. streeting about labour's plans. probably lots of things that we would like to do that won't be in our manifesto because we simply won't be able to afford them. >> but but on this of the >> but but on this issue of the triple lock , we'll visit that triple lock, we'll visit that again closer to the election . again closer to the election. >> we'll visit that again sitting on the fence completely, somebody who is not going to sit on the fence is our very own gb news presenter and tory mp jacob rees—mogg, has fantastic rees—mogg, who has a fantastic show here at 8:00. jacob good morning to you. we know you're not going to sit on the fence. good morning. good morning. you think lock has to go? think the triple lock has to go? tell us why . tell us why. >> and the problem is our economy isn't growing and you can't afford extra welfare payments unless you've got a growing economy to pay for it. >> now , the issue with the >> now, the issue with the triple lock is that it's 2.5% inflation in cpi inflation or wages . and it means that every wages. and it means that every year it's always the highest figure. now i think you can

continue with cpi inflation, which was how margaret thatcher did it when she came in in 1979. but you can't give all three of those as a guarantee . we unless those as a guarantee. we unless we can get economic growth or you increase the retirement age, which you may need to do anyway , but we currently have a welfare and a health budget that is becoming too big for the size of our economy. but but pensioners, jacob, have struggled with the cost of living crisis. >> like everybody else. they paid into the system for years and years and you're effectively saying perhaps their pension should back, not even keep should fall back, not even keep up in line with wages growth . up in line with wages growth. why >> well, i think we've got to be clear that no one is suggesting that it shouldn't go up with inflation. right. so that pensioners would maintain their current standard of living. that's really important . and that's really important. and everyone that . and everyone is advocating that. and i actually think the 2.5% cut part of the triple lock is reasonable as well . what i think

reasonable as well. what i think is difficult is to make it inflation and wages , whichever inflation and wages, whichever is the higher of those, because if you look at working people , if you look at working people, last year, people in work got a pay last year, people in work got a pay increase that was below inflation. and this year they're getting one that is ahead of inflation. now it's their taxes that are paying the pensions. so one year they lost out, one year they benefited and pensioners benefit. in both years . and you benefit. in both years. and you have to ask, is that a fair balance between the working population and the retired population? >> is there any way, jacob, that if the triple lock is removed , if the triple lock is removed, you could sell that to the pensioner voter ? or is there pensioner voter? or is there anything else that you could offer? could jeremy hunt turn around and say, we your pension isn't going to increase by this amount, but we are going to do something else. how could they possibly sell this ? well what i possibly sell this? well what i think you might be able to do is to say that you could link it to

gdp growth , because if we could gdp growth, because if we could get back to 2.5% gdp growth, and thatis get back to 2.5% gdp growth, and that is of course, real gdp growth. >> so inflation can be added . on >> so inflation can be added. on top of that, if you could say inflation plus gdp growth so that your pension was remaining flat as a proportion of gdp , flat as a proportion of gdp, other than an increase in population, then i think that you would have something you could offer to patients pensioners. it's slightly more complicated , but it would be complicated, but it would be affordable in the longer term. >> i was going say better >> i was going to say better than at each other >> i was going to say better than jacob, at each other >> i was going to say better than jacob, it's|t each other >> i was going to say better than jacob, it's notich other >> i was going to say better than jacob, it's not very:her >> i was going to say better than jacob, it's not very sexy here, jacob, it's not very sexy on the doorstep. >> not say that's >> that's not you say if that's your pitch. your best sales pitch. >> sorry, not buying >> jacob sorry, we're not buying it. gdp growth is up, you're it. if gdp growth is up, you're going get good pension . going to get a good pension. >> it's not a very sexy is it? >> no. oh but. >> no. oh but. >> but, andrew, this is the key. it hammers home the message that we need economic growth. we have had a productivity problem in this country now for 20 years or more. we are not getting economic growth. we are not using the deregulatory advantages of leaving the european union to get that

economic growth. some of the things liz truss was proposing last year to get economic growth are essential and what we're currently doing is we're saying we want to afford all these nice to things everyone's in to do things which everyone's in favour but we're not saying favour of, but we're not saying how for how are we going to pay for them? they've got start them? and they've got to start saying electorate, this saying to the electorate, this is we're going to pay for is how we're going to pay for them, that's economic growth. >> and the pensioner will say, it's if you it's not my problem. if you haven't economic haven't created any economic growth, i'm so sorry. i've worked really hard all my life. i'm expected to be able to buy the grandchildren an ice cream when we go out at the weekend. and all these things and it's all of these things which longer be which i will no longer be able to do. i think it to afford to do. i think it could be massive vote loss for to afford to do. i think it cou conservatives. e vote loss for to afford to do. i think it cou conservatives. this:e loss for to afford to do. i think it cou conservatives. this well s for to afford to do. i think it cou conservatives. this well , for to afford to do. i think it cou conservatives. this well , ior the conservatives. this well, i think that's misunderstanding what happens if you don't have the triple lock. >> pensions would still go up in line with inflation. so last year they would still have gone up 10. year they would still have gone up it's 10. year they would still have gone up it's about0. year they would still have gone up it's about the sales , though, >> it's about the sales, though, go up. >> that's why 6.5. >> that's why 6.5. >> i know. but that's why my question was about can you sell it to the voter? because i think the subtlety, the nuance of what

you're saying, what you're saying, i understand what you're saying, i understand what you're saying. but i think in terms seeing terms of voters seeing a headline, tories took away headline, the tories took away the securing the triple lock, securing my pension an i think it has to be handled incredibly carefully. can ask you one quick can we just ask you one quick question, zero hours question, jacob, on zero hours contracts, because obviously angela rayner said one thing, we can she said actually, can hear what she said actually, oh, we've got the clip. >> here we go. >> here we go. >> what said. >> here's what she said. >> here's what she said. >> basic a ban on >> on basic rights, a ban on zero hour contracts and end to fire and rehire family friendly working strengthened sick pay, making it available to all workers, including the lowest earners . earners. >> so, jacob, we don't get many commitments from this labour party. they're always u—turning . as you know, they've abandoned the starmer's abandoned every single pledge. he was elected on as labour leader. here's a clear pledge to abolish zero hour contracts from day one, zero hour contracts. in my view . suit hour contracts. in my view. suit suit. many people . will suit. many people. will >> well, i think you're absolutely right. also, it's

worth bearing in mind that labour councils use zero hour contracts now. labour councils up and down the country could aboush up and down the country could abolish zero hours contracts tomorrow if that's what they wanted to do, but actually they suit employees as well as employers also , no government employers also, no government ever does anything like that on day one because it would require legislation and legislation takes time. so that promise is false. simply on the technicalities of it . technicalities of it. >> okay. thank you, jacob. you can catch jacob state of the nation. fantastic tv and radio show tonight at 8:00. i normally have it on in the kitchen when i'm making dinner. i'm very good. >> quite late for dinner, isn't it? >> oh, kids after school homework. of course. they're all at home now , let's remind at home now, let's remind people, of course, if you in people, of course, if you are in the london area, a big problem with supply. with water supply. >> lots kids been sent >> lots of kids have been sent home because schools >> lots of kids have been sent home been because schools >> lots of kids have been sent home been closed because schools >> lots of kids have been sent home been closed ,:)ecause schools >> lots of kids have been sent home been closed , including:hools have been closed, including your own plant own hampton water plant apparently has had a power issue. >> so do check if your children are school that area. >> so do check if your children are now:hool that area. >> so do check if your children are now we're that area. >> so do check if your children are now we're talking rea. >> so do check if your children are now we're talking about what >> now we're talking about what are we talking about? >> well, i was going look at >> well, i was going to look at what have been what the audience have been saying. they've

saying. let's see what they've got, saying. let's see what they've got we've got time to do that. we >> we've got time to do that. we haven't gone to views this haven't gone to your views this morning very morning and you've been very busy. about busy. we were talking about vaping the vaping earlier and whether the government disposable government will ban disposable all it's all vapes. pauline has said it's odd to ban odd how everyone wants to ban vapes but never mentions alcohol. yes, they have flavoured vapes . my son is a flavoured vapes. my son is a builder and workmates like them, but also flavoured but they also have flavoured alcohol. that alcohol. why not ban that too? i think children aren't think because children aren't routinely coming home drunk. >> i see there is a vape shop near me and i see the kids in that. they're in their school uniform. i'm buying them. they are. now, there could be of are. now, there could be 18, of course, of course, course, at school. of course, there i suspect most there could. but i suspect most of smoking or 16. of them are smoking or 16. >> they're addicted to the nicotine get home from nicotine and they get home from school and mum and dad don't know can't smell it. know because you can't smell it. absolutely. and about meat, absolutely. and then about meat, we a bit of a hard time to we gave a bit of a hard time to donnacha about the donnacha mccarthy about the environment, we environment, the fact that we should less meat should all be eating less meat science well, i science and well, he said, i wasn't a scientist i couldn't wasn't a scientist so i couldn't possibly know what i was talking about. unbelievable diana says eating meat keeps us strong. my view weak nation view is they want a weak nation that's easy to control. i wonder if feeding if they will be feeding soldiers, lettuce, leaves and carrots. >> what are they going do

carrots. >> vallt are they going do carrots. >> vallt arecows going do carrots. >> vallt arecows ?oing do carrots. >> vallt arecows ? well, do carrots. >> vallt arecows ? well, what's with all the cows? well, what's going to happen to them? >> they'll die off. >> they'll just die off. >> they'll just die off. >> and jim says, i'm definitely not pleased. not giving up sausages or anything else for this net zero. rubbish. absolutely british farmers . absolutely british farmers. right. we've got to move on now. now, he stood down from the cabinet probably the cabinet and he was probably the best secretary we've had best defence secretary we've had in a former army he's >> a former army officer. he's given interview and he's given an interview and he's attacked court of attacked the european court of human because says it human rights because he says it assists terrorists. >> right . this is ben >> that's right. this is ben wallace, of course, we're talking about. joined talking about. we're joined now by defence by former labour defence minister ivor caplin. good morning, ivor. and maybe the question . andre. good morning. question. andre. good morning. the question really is, is he right? do we need more powers to be able to execute justice, particularly across borders, when it comes to reprimanding potentially killing terrorists ? potentially killing terrorists? >> i. firstly, let me say, i think ben wallace has been an excellent defence secretary. you know, one of one of the best in and certainly for the

conservative party in these last 13 years. and i've respected him and the work he has done over this period of time. and i was there a few weeks ago when he was at the tony blair institute conference. s and he was well received by the whole audience on that occasion. i think this is unfortunately a slightly different conversation that he is trying to open up that conversation being amongst conservative people who think that the european court of human rights, for some reason is something connected to the european union. they do. these two things are different, as we know. for instance , this the know. for instance, this the european court itself and the starting point of the european court in 1949 was something that churchill led on. and i and i can't believe that conservative member of parliament, that conservative voters and others want to see the end of something

that churchill built. but that's not what he said. for europe. >> but he didn't say that. >> but he didn't say that. >> and other countries but he didn't say that he didn't say come out of it. >> he just said it's not working andifs >> he just said it's not working and it's assisting terrorists. >> he just said it's not working and it'wassisting terrorists. >> he just said it's not working and it'was stifling errorists. >> he just said it's not working and it'was stifling hisrists. >> he just said it's not working and it'was stifling his attempts and it was stifling his attempts to crack down on terrorism . he to crack down on terrorism. he didn't say come out of it. >> but but , didn't say come out of it. >> but but, andrew andrew, any of these institutions , as we of these institutions, as we know, particularly where you've got 47 countries, there are different ways of approaching this. if the secretary of state for defence wanted to have conversation with america and other countries in the european court of human rights, then he can do that in the same way that he can with the us. so those conversations can always happen and i can certainly remember our secretary of state to going have conversations around those type of issues because they are complicated and they are always different. they were different ten years ago. they were different 20 years ago. but you can't really just say that it's

something you want to do or to take apart . take apart. >> i mean, let's be specifically here, he said in this interview. if we'd found osama bin laden , if we'd found osama bin laden, we could not have done what the americans did . we could not have americans did. we could not have done that type of raid when the americans took out osama bin laden dead. americans took out osama bin laden dead . good laden and shot him dead. good riddance to bad trouble, in my view. says. we couldn't do view. he says. we couldn't do that because of the european court . court. >> okay. firstly, my view as well , andrew, i >> okay. firstly, my view as well, andrew, i share that >> okay. firstly, my view as well , andrew, i share that with well, andrew, i share that with you about what the americans did, that is something that did, but that is something that the americans can do and there are lots of reasons around and it's not really connected to the european court of human rights . european court of human rights. it's connected to how the united kingdom and all other institutions in the echr actually operate out their military operations . and if military operations. and if those want to change, then we have the opportunity to do so. there are 27 nations in nato . we there are 27 nations in nato. we can have those conversations . can have those conversations. this is not the anything that's

that's different to that would be would be in some way going backwards. and i don't think that that is the way that the united kingdom wants to do. >> okay . all right. thank you. >> okay. all right. thank you. former labour defence minister ivor caplin . there ivor caplin. there >> the trouble is, you see, i hear what i was saying, but if there are 47 countries in the european court, how do you get change? it was bad enough. part of the reason we in the eu it was a problem. 28 countries. we were one of 28. now there's 27 fighting can't get you fighting out. you can't get you can't get a consensus . can't get a consensus. >> no. let me see what you've been saying at home. this on been saying at home. this is on the lock pension. gary the triple lock pension. gary said , i totally agree with your said, i totally agree with your speaker who just said that we should scrap the majority of quangos this country. that quangos in this country. that was richard tice and in doing so will billions that can pay was richard tice and in doing so wilthe billions that can pay was richard tice and in doing so wilthe triple ions that can pay was richard tice and in doing so wilthe triple lockthat can pay was richard tice and in doing so wilthe triple lock .|at can pay was richard tice and in doing so wilthe triple lock . andan pay was richard tice and in doing so wilthe triple lock . and johny for the triple lock. and john says that mel stride is a man with a gold plated pension. he's on a very good wage as an mp and minister. now telling pensioners the cut. i'm the triple lock may be cut. i'm married month my pension married and per month my pension is less than £10,000 per

is £283 less than £10,000 per year. is £283 less than £10,000 per year . the manifesto should not year. the manifesto should not be changed. >> and in in terms of pensions too, in europe, we're only midway down the table. we are not particularly generous providers with the state pension more to the story also is that we should always also be planning future. planning for the future. >> shouldn't we all? >> everybody shouldn't we all? we all talking we should all be talking about it. paying so much it. i need to be paying so much into for into it. i'm ready for a biscuit. you? ready biscuit. are you? yeah. ready for digestive ? for a digestive? >> we're going to plane here. >> we're going to plane here. >> we're going to plane here. >> we're going to be back in just a moment. >> fancy stuff with emma >> that fancy stuff with emma webb pound. >> that fancy stuff with emma weinot pound. >> that fancy stuff with emma weinot fancy pound. >> that fancy stuff with emma weinot fancy stuffyund. >> that fancy stuff with emma weinot fancy stuff . nd. >> not fancy stuff. >> not fancy stuff. >> you're with britain's newsroom on

gb news radio. >> stephen pound. be quiet . it >> stephen pound. be quiet. it is 1124. we'll come to you shortly. stephen pound we're going to get to our parliament now. this is a punch up in a in a shop in peckham where a peckham shopkeeper was filmed in getting stuck into a woman shoplifter. was he doing the right thing or is it over the top? tell you what. if you're listening radio, he's listening on the radio, he's restraining say restraining us. some people say he's strangle he's trying to strangle her. >> she she tried >> well, she she tried apparently to get a refund on some . it's argument some products. it's an argument broke . she tried to leave broke out. she tried to leave with the items . and with some of the items. and obviously the shopkeeper tried to restrain her and actually she hit him in the head with the basket at which point he put his hand around her neck and then he was they were saying he was trying her. and i trying to strangle her. and i think to pain of think he reacted to the pain of being hit in the head a being hit in the head with a basket. i lie. i think

basket. i can't lie. i think i think he was rather restrained and guess what? >> mayor, >> everyone's favourite mayor, sadiq stephen sadiq khan. who? stephen stephen pound loves, course, pound loves, of course, says, i know londoners are concerned by recent events a shop in recent events in a shop in peckham. with the peckham. i'm in touch with the metropolitan and i'm metropolitan police and i'm seeking oh, seeking further information. oh, how utterly ridiculous. >> go and do some actual work. >> go and do some actual work. >> i'll tell you what it's got to do with him. >> there's a crowd of people outside there and so he's showboating. >> you so as he knows, it's >> you mean so as he knows, it's on agenda. >> you mean so as he knows, it's on expressionia. >> you mean so as he knows, it's on expression you could use. >> expression you could use. >> expression you could use. >> fan of his, aren't >> you're a fan of his, aren't you? >>i you? >> i certainly support him very, very the very strongly. i think at the moment there's an issue of direction implement nation direction and implement nation that to actually look direction and implement nation tha but to actually look direction and implement nation tha but worries ally look direction and implement nation tha but worries ally about at. but what worries me about this previous this is apparently the previous owner of that shop actually lost an eye when somebody attacked them, protecting his his his livelihood. but i think the livelihood. yeah but i think the reality nobody comes out of reality is nobody comes out of this i mean, what this video. well, i mean, what do you think? >> i think that the situation in london living here london generally living here feels like it's becoming increasingly unsafe. i think some of this, ironically, has quite a bit to do with sadiq khan. yes, quite. and also to do with the fact that people now seem to think that they can. and it maybe it's to do with, you

know, lockdown. it seems to be somehow consequence somehow a consequence of that. the to they the people seem to think they can take the mick they know they're with can take the mick they know thethey with can take the mick they know thethey know with can take the mick they know thethey know that with can take the mick they know thethey know that they with it. they know that they can commit and there'll commit crimes and that there'll be consequences the be no consequences because the police really do anything police don't really do anything about it. and so what's happening is that crime is spiralling out of control. now, obviously, grab obviously, you don't grab someone by the neck and do what this did, and he this man did, and maybe he doesn't know how to properly restrain from his restrain someone, but from his perspective, is somebody perspective, this is somebody who is shoplifting from his store. probably this of store. probably this kind of thing happens time. thing happens all the time. i've seen robbed seen people getting robbed coming out of the co—op where i live is now closed down and i don't know where rumours are true do with true that it's to do with shoplifting because shoplifting true that it's to do with sh solifting because shoplifting true that it's to do with sh solifting be a use shoplifting true that it's to do with sh solifting be a problem lifting true that it's to do with shsolifting bea problem .fting true that it's to do with shsolifting bea problem . but] is so much of a problem. but i've seen people getting mugged for steaks coming for things like steaks coming out shop because crime is out of the shop because crime is so . so bad. >> so and you never see a police officer on the streets. >> so and you never see a police offi i er on the streets. >> so and you never see a police offii thinkthe streets. >> so and you never see a police offii think both reets. >> so and you never see a police offii think both of ets. >> so and you never see a police offii think both of them are in >> i think both of them are in the i think the the wrong. and i think that the fact this is being made fact that this is being made into sort racially into a sort of racially inflammatory. well i think isn't emma, that absolute the issue? >> this is i mean, this is a rye lane in brixton. it's pretty much a monocultural area. yeah. and almost certainly now

and almost certainly this now becomes sort of, you know, becomes that sort of, you know, just explain that. >> you say monocultural >> you say it's a monocultural area. in other words, it's area. so in other words, it's predominantly black people. it's predominantly black people. it's predominantly people of one culture. >> and one ethnicity. >> and one ethnicity. >> in this video for people >> and in this video for people listening on the radio, this was an restraining an asian shopkeeper restraining an asian shopkeeper restraining a a black woman, indeed. a woman, a black woman, indeed. >> think that some of her >> and i think that some of her comments quite offensive , comments were quite offensive, too. can't stop too. you know, you can't stop me. do this. i'm me. i'm going to do this. i'm going to do that. and i think after he hit, he whacked after he was hit, he she whacked him hammer. whacked him with a hammer. she whacked him with a hammer. she whacked him his head him with the plastic in his head and grabbed neck. and he grabbed her by the neck. but, see primark are but, you know, i see primark are saying actually but, you know, i see primark are sayi|their actually but, you know, i see primark are sayi|their profits actually but, you know, i see primark are sayi|their profits ayearly lost their profits this year because of shoplifting. >> an atmosphere because of shoplifting. >>increasing an atmosphere because of shoplifting. >>increasing lawlessness;phere because of shoplifting. >>increasing lawlessness and'e of increasing lawlessness and people are increasingly feeling as that they need take as well that they need to take matters hands matters into their own hands because police because they know the police are not anything about not going to do anything about it. if woman left the shop it. if that woman left the shop and shopkeeper took and that shopkeeper took the cctv and took that to the police, they be police, they wouldn't be honestly going to do anything about >> no. >> no. >> and they say if he's not, at least 200 quid's worth of stuff nicked, they're not interested. least 200 quid's worth of stuff niciandthey're not interested. least 200 quid's worth of stuff niciand you're not interested. least 200 quid's worth of stuff niciand you're notwhat?ested. least 200 quid's worth of stuff niciand you're notwhat?estyfeels >> and you know what? it feels like and it's not like at the moment. and it's not just i think are just london. i think there are so it feels a so many cities it feels like a tinderbox. feels people

tinderbox. it feels like people are stephen they're are on the edge. stephen they're struggling bills. struggling to pay their bills. nothing works . everything's a nothing works. everything's on a phone. like the phone. it's like the inconvenience and inconvenience around and people's tempers are frayed. all the time. >> it irritation is going now to absolute annoyance. yeah, it's fury . and i think this is the fury. and i think this is the real problem. and there comes a stage when actually what binds society the glue , the society together, the glue, the respect and order, the respect for law and order, the mutual mutual mutual respect, the mutual obugafion. mutual respect, the mutual obligation . it's going. it's disappearing. >> it's gone. and i think emma's point about lockdown is really important started important because it started dunng . important because it started during . the whole idea during lockdowns. the whole idea you neighbour in it you dob your neighbour in it was such divisive period in such a divisive period in history and we'll always look back at the time where it dissolves trust in each other. >> you're encouraged to tell on your neighbour. >> you're encouraged to tell on youwell, hbour. >> you're encouraged to tell on youwell, hboithing that makes >> well, the thing that makes society think the society work is i think all the social they social contract, the way they always me is like always used to say to me is like if ambulance is coming up behind you, to the you, you pull over to let the ambulance through because one day the day it could be you in the ambulance. contract day it could be you in the arn0|lance. contract day it could be you in the arn0|lance. holding, contract day it could be you in the arn0|lance. holding, it's ntract day it could be you in the arn0|lance. holding, it's no act is no longer holding, it's no longer people actually longer binding. people actually feel law doesn't feel that the law doesn't apply for not safe. and for them. they're not safe. and you're to gangs you're going to get gangs of people oxford people marauding down oxford street, shops and street, steaming into shops and stealing

street, steaming into shops and ste.yeah, talking contracts , >> yeah, talking of contracts, is triple lock safe under is the triple lock safe under a labour government? >> they're saying it is, >> well, they're saying it is, but look, they're not saying that. no, wes streeting said that. no, no, wes streeting said we're going at it. we're going to look at it. >> there's one thing >> well, there's one thing that's odd. may first that's a bit odd. may i first declare an interest declare something of an interest in this matter? >> pensioner. >> you're not a pensioner. indeed, believe you, indeed, i don't believe you, stephen pound. >> look, here's an thing . >> look, here's an odd thing. you know, know that the you know, we all know that the triple he's triple lock is actually he's talking 2.5, talking about whether it's 2.5, whether inflation whether it's inflation or it's whether it's inflation or it's whether but also whether it's wages, but it also includes well, they're includes bonuses. well, they're taking out now. yeah, taking that out now. yeah, well, no, they're the no, they're not. that's the suggestion. they might. i'm amazed bonuses were ever amazed that bonuses were ever these were particularly ones that bonuses that that were temporary bonuses that were think were introduced. i think it would down from 7.8 to 6.5 if would go down from 7.8 to 6.5 if they took that up. look i think that large, you know , and that by and large, you know, and i'm one, pensions i'm speaking as one, pensions don't have a bad deal. you know, obviously, with the reduction in the the winter fuel the tv licence, the winter fuel allowance, you allowance, i get a cut. you still travel? yeah, still get free travel? yeah, absolutely. i have my parcel in my pocket. that's don't my pocket. that's why i don't charge but charge you for my fares. but look, and i get look, you know, and i get a couple of hundred quid for the winter you know, couple of hundred quid for the wintthe you know, couple of hundred quid for the wintthe queen you know, couple of hundred quid for the wintthe queen god you know, couple of hundred quid for the wintthe queen god rest)u know, couple of hundred quid for the wintthe queen god rest)u ksoul, and the queen god rest her soul, used well . so used to get it as well. so i think need to be a little

think we do need to be a little bit more sensitive about that. and i think i understand, you know, of us know, and i know for all of us on perfectly on this table know perfectly well this. who well what's behind this. who votes? you, you and votes? it ain't you, you and you. me. votes? it ain't you, you and youshould a. votes? it ain't you, you and youshoulda. be votes? it ain't you, you and youshould a. be means tested >> should it be means tested then, you part of then, emma, do you think part of then, emma, do you think part of the pension allowance? >> really what's >> well, that's really what's the heart this that the heart of this is that there'll who there'll be a lot of people who look they're look at this and they're struggling. only had struggling. my grandma only had her pension and there lots her pension and there are lots of people have of people who don't have anything so they anything than this. and so they would really struggle. >> a state pension. >> she has a state pension. >> she has a state pension. >> doesn't have private >> she doesn't have a private pension. alive pension. well, she's not alive anymore. only had the >> but before she only had the state pension. and so there will be a of who are be a lot of people who are relying will look at relying on this who will look at this going to this and think, oh, i'm going to be of trouble as be in a lot of trouble as a result this. there are result of this. but there are lots of people around the country who perfectly sort country who are perfectly sort of pensions. of they have private pensions. they other sources of they have other sources of income , and they don't to income, and they don't need to have a tony blair reliance on the state pension in the same way. so perhaps some kind of means testing would be a good idea. >> is the there that >> is the problem there that every we're in politics, every time we're in politics, isn't it's isn't it about it is that it's also implementation . also the implementation. >> if actually introduce >> if you actually introduce means testing . the last we

means testing. the last time we did in 1931, did it seriously was in 1931, right . and was chaos right. and it was caused chaos and expensive, the and it's expensive, the bureaucracy you'd need to bureaucracy that you'd need to actually means test actually implement a means test is just nightmarish. >> and they couldn't do it properly because the state is useless. >> we can't we can't do much properly. >> do you put into a pension now 7 >> do you put into a pension now ? now at young age, ? now at your young age, i probably should . when did probably should. when did you start private start putting into a private pension? stopped? pension? do you know i stopped? >> stopped ten years ago >> oh, i stopped ten years ago because rubbish . because they're rubbish. >> but you were doing it from being stephen. >> em-l >> when i left school at 17, i started paying a pension . when started paying a pension. when i went the house of commons, went into the house of commons, i all my pensions. you i rolled all my pensions. you know, i used to be a bus conductor, pension, conductor, gold plated pension, mps get god, tony blair, mps get god, no, no. tony blair, stop that. it used to be non contributory, gold plated plot. >> a wealthy man. you're a wealthy man. >> you're living off this nothing as vulgar as pound by name . name. >> pound by nature. right? stephen and emma, by nature. we've to move on. cabinet we've got to move on. cabinet minister penny mordaunt is failing plans today for three multi—purpose aid ships to fly the flag for the uk around the world. but it's a bit more to

this story than you might think because it's not going to happen. first of all, why is your with lisa hartle ? all your news with lisa hartle? all . it's 1132. >> i'm lisa hartle . it's1132. >> i'm lisa hartle in . it's 1132. >> i'm lisa hartle in the newsroom . the chancellor says newsroom. the chancellor says the government is sticking to its plan to halve inflation as the economy shrunk by nought point 5% in july. jeremy hunt remains confident about the future , saying the country future, saying the country quickly recovered from the pandemic and is growing faster than countries like germany and italy. in the long term. but labour says it's a failing of the government . the the government. the conservatives have dropped to potential candidates to become mps after the security service warned they could be spies for china. it comes after a parliamentary researcher was arrested in march under the official secrets act. the times newspaper says m15 advised the tory party . in 2021 and 2022 tory party. in 2021 and 2022 that two potential candidates should not be considered the

conservative party says it will always act on advice from credible security sources . a top credible security sources. a top medic says the nhs is not sufficiently resilient . ahead of sufficiently resilient. ahead of winter. dr. adrian boyle , who's winter. dr. adrian boyle, who's a president of the royal college of emergency medicine, says last winter was one of the worst on record for the nhs. he fears the health service could face a similar situation this winter, with 7.6 million people still on the waiting list in england, health minister maria caulfield says the government recognises the pressures and former conservative leader contender penny mordaunt wants to build three versus tile ships in the uk. these ships, which will be privately funded, could help with disaster relief research and training. there would be 135m long, have cargo space and accommodate over 200 people. ms mordaunt says she wants to showcase the uk's strengths and promote international partnerships . s you can get more partnerships. s you can get more on all of those stories by

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>> the people's channel. britain's news . >> the people's channel. britain's news. channel >> and the time is now. i've britain's news. channel >> and the time is now . i've got >> and the time is now. i've got it right. actually, it is 1140. you had britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> so cabinet minister penny mordaunt is unveiling plans for three multi—purpose aid ships to fly the flag for the uk around the world. >> now, these are her plans, not the cabinet's plans or the government's plans. and in her dream world, these ships would be uk shipyards and now be built in uk shipyards and now help alleviate help efforts to alleviate disaster research, disaster relief research, ocean

cleanup and combat illegal immigration. how they immigration. how are they going to illegal migration, though? these boats massive . if >> these boats are massive. if she's planning on running one of those dinghies , i'm those into the dinghies, i'm sorry, sure that's going sorry, i'm not sure that's going to . to work. >> well, what they'll do >> yeah, well, what they'll do is the philippine is pick up the philippine migrants over migrants and bring them over here. that's they'll do , right? >> come on. take this seriously. okay ms mordaunt has championed her role as a portsmouth north mp . she says in a dream world mp. she says in a dream world that they're going to be 50% manned by apprentices and funded privately. i mean, it sounds lovely, doesn't it? >> funded >> that's the key. funded privately, not you. >> you're not paying for it. >> you're not paying for it. >> i don't know who the >> i don't know yet who the private are, but if you private funders are, but if you are about this, it's not private funders are, but if you are taxpayer. bout this, it's not private funders are, but if you are taxpayer. christophers not the taxpayer. christopher hope, our political editor, our very fine political editor, interviewed , interviewed her and she said, this royal yacht this isn't about the royal yacht britannia, course britannia, which of course was scrapped no , they don't even exist. >> everyone says it was scrapped by john major, tony blair's government. actually, was decision >> actually, it was the decision was taken by john major's government enforced it. >> how h— b you know that it. >> how you know that stuff ? >> how do you know that stuff? >> how do you know that stuff? >> true. right. >> it's absolutely true. right. >> it's absolutely true. right. >> a look. >> anyway, let's have a look. this is what she had to say. >> do we >> penny mordaunt, why do we need three maritime aid ships ?

need three maritime aid ships? >> well, i looked at what at the government alone uses its maritime assets for, and it's a huge range of tasks . we do huge range of tasks. we do humanitarian and disaster relief. we deliver freight and passengers . we've used vessels passengers. we've used vessels for migration operations. passengers. we've used vessels for migration operations . we for migration operations. we quite often use aircraft carriers for trade exhibitions . carriers for trade exhibitions. so royal navy. yes and expensive ships to operate it. so a few years ago i mapped all of the unmet need that was out there. and it was at the time when chris grayling at the department for transport was trying to find some ferries as well. and i looked at actually what would be the way of the most cost effective way of running and over the years, running it. and over the years, this project has developed and, and the concept are ships that are run privately and they're built using private finance , but built using private finance, but they have low operating costs so that different organisations, whether it's the government or whether it's the government or whether it's the government or

whether it's a particular business or sector that wants to run a trade expo or it's a fantastic charity that wants to provide aid and assistance, they can charter these vessels, but the other nifty thing is that they are training platforms , so they are training platforms, so they are training platforms, so they also generate an additional income and they are going to be 50% manned by apprentices. income and they are going to be 50% manned by apprentices . and 50% manned by apprentices. and that helps not just us, but commonwealth merchant navies and others, because we have a shortage of sea time for merchant mariners. so this fits a training need as well. >> they've built in uk shipyards crewed by, by by brits or by apprentices maybe, or the navy. >> so the idea is that we could provide training to commonwealth nafions provide training to commonwealth nations , in particular the nations, in particular the partner i'm working with, britannia maritime aid , has a britannia maritime aid, has a background in humanitarian relief, but i'm also working with partners who do training and in fact , one of the and in fact, one of the proposals is we have a simulator , proposals is we have a simulator a , proposals is we have a simulator , a bridge simulator on the vessel as well. so that is

meeting a clear need. it will generate income. we're particularly focussed on the commonwealth, which and the reason why we want three ships is that eventually we can operate those three and we can have one per ocean which will enable us to cover about 90% of the reconnecting, the commonwealth reconnecting, maybe brits to the sea. >> so we are an island nation, aren't we? >> are a maritime nation. and >> we are a maritime nation. and if we remain a maritime if we want to remain a maritime nation, it's in our interests. we do 90% of everything you've eaten or touched today has come here by sea. we need to be investing in our merchant navy and we need to be providing our mariners and other nations with sea time. it's a huge that education is a huge export in itself and you're right, this is also about global britain, but it's also about levelling up. one of the major shipyards described it as the missing seed in the uk shipbuilding strategy . erg it's providing that steady work and enabling that investment .

investment. >> so the first one is £150 million. the cost the taxpayers. how much? >> well, we're not asking for government to step up the cash for that government can help us in in other we've asked in in other ways. we've asked for some help just finalising our planning on this. for some help just finalising our planning on this . they'll our planning on this. they'll have been a huge amount of work that was done on things like the national flagship project. we want make use of that and we want to make use of that and we want to make use of that and we want to make use of that and we want to ensure we're doing things smartest way. so things in the smartest way. so government help with with government can help us with with that and advice. there's that insight and advice. there's all of things they offer all sorts of things they offer the shipbuilding sector in terms of guarantees things like of guarantees and things like that. that if the that. but we think that if the government will say that it will call on these ships, if it needs maritime assets, that will help us raise finance , to raise money us raise finance, to raise money privately, raising money privately, raising money privately to do this. and we would establish a ship operating company that would be running this. it's not a civil servant that's going to be running this. they'll be very pleased to hear. but i think is what we but i think this is what we should . it's increasing should be doing. it's increasing opportunities for uk businesses and incredible human petarian

charities that we have in this country . country. >> you mentioned national flagship project, boris johnson's idea to maybe a as johnson's idea to maybe as a as a replacement for hms britannia , decommissioned by labour's government in 1997, is it a replacement in some way for britannia? >> i think the spirit of britannia lives on in these and other ships . britannia lives on in these and other ships. i mean, i was brought up in

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proud sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> you are watching britain's newsroom this is andrew and bev pmqs will be up in, what, about ten minutes or so. so we're joined in the studio now by former labour mp and minister former labour mp and minister for europe, denis macshane . for europe, denis macshane. >> gossipy toon well, well , i >> gossipy toon well, well, i should have been looking at the camera. >> you always gossiping. >> you were always gossiping. >> you were always gossiping. >> fault. >> it's your fault. >> it's your fault. >> don't i hold of >> i don't worry. i had hold of the ship talking about penny mordaunt and conservative mp mark francois. >> what's going on with that tie? mark francois , this is a tie? mark francois, this is a tie? mark francois, this is a tie . tie. >> and so it's a very well known military charity and they look after veterans and people serving in the armed forces. >> i thought there would be a story attached to it. thank you. that brings us to prime minister's questions, because i suspect this story about ben wallace, defence secretary, suspect this story about ben wallacythe defence secretary, suspect this story about ben wallacythe europeans secretary, suspect this story about ben wallacythe european courtetary, suspect this story about ben wallacythe european court ofy, saying the european court of human rights is protecting terrorists. he's saying terrorists. he's not saying come out but it's going to out of it, but it's going to come up, isn't it? it's an issue i >>i -- >> i would km— humu— km— >> i would be surprised if it didn't way. didn't put it that way. >> what's view when we >> and what's your view when we talked about this before with regard to boats, andrew? >> i, i have said at the very