d0 do you think to this? you tell me. old enough. too old. too young. your thoughts and very sad news because 3000 jobs look to be at risk in port talbot. of course, related to tata steel. the government now coming under fire, saying apparently that they have failed the steel industry in this country. do you think that's the case or not? and what on earth is going to happen to these poor workers, many of whom probably have never worked anywhere else in their whole career, bully dogs whole career, and bully dogs will ? do you agree will be banned? do you agree with that? i also want to ask tonight, how on earth do you defend yourself if you or a loved one is victim of a dog attack, an expert will join me to answer that question. and because it's friday, i'm going to give you a dash of something positive to see you into the weekend with a smile. we've got it all coming. but and sorry, we've got it all coming and more. we get into all more. but before we get into all of that, let's grab the news

headunes. of that, let's grab the news headlines . michelle thank you. headlines. michelle thank you. >> well, the main story on gb news today is that the former nurse, lucy letby, has filed a bid to challenge her conviction at the court of appeal. the 33 year old was found guilty of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six more at the countess of chester hospital between 2015 and 2016. the most prolific child serial killer in modern british history was sentenced to a whole life order at manchester crown court this month. now she's going for appeal. we'll bring you more on that, of course, if we get it. now, the man killed in a dog attack in stafford shire has been named by police. 52 year old ian price died in hospital after being seriously injured in stonnall near walsall at around 3:15 this yesterday afternoon. he had been attacked by two dogs. a 30 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of being

in charge of dogs dangerously out of control and causing injury is believed both dogs were american excel bullies. well, the prime minister has said that breed will be banned in the uk by the end of the yeah in the uk by the end of the year. labour supports that proposed ban . proposed ban. >> the first step is to convene a group of experts in the field and the police to define the breed and then using the powers under the existing dangerous dogs act. we will then be able to ban the breed and laws will be in place by the end of the yeah be in place by the end of the year. but it's clear from the attacks we've seen tragic incidences that we do need to take action to protect the pubuc take action to protect the public stop attacks. public and stop these attacks. and that's we're to going and that's what we're to going do . do. >> well, also in the news today, three members of sara sharif's family have been remanded in custody after being charged with the ten year old's murder. sarah's father, irfan sharif, and his partner and brother appeared in court today. and his partner and brother appeared in court today . they've appeared in court today. they've also been charged with causing or allowing the death of a child . sara was found dead at her home in woking in surrey after

officers were called from pakistan by the child's father . pakistan by the child's father. on the 10th of august. unions have vowed to fight the government tooth and nail after a half billion pound government investment in tata steel has the union says put 3000 jobs at risk . the government says, however, it will support more than 12,000 jobs in a sector overall . tata jobs in a sector overall. tata has been in talks with the government to switch from coal fired to electric furnaces in an effort to reduce carbon emissions by 1.5. the business and trade secretary, kemi badenoch, says the government is saving the industry. >> this is good for the taxpayer, this is good for the workforce because actually when we do have a new electric arc furnaces, we're going to be able to have many more industries. we can have offshore wind. there'll be a whole redevelopment of the sites. this is actually a great deal not just pothole, but deal not just for pothole, but but for the uk. and what i would say to people who are concerned

about job is we do about job losses is that we do understand and we have a transition plan in place that's funded up to about £100 million to make sure that people have skills to retrain . skills to retrain. >> but the shadow business secretary, jonathan reynolds , secretary, jonathan reynolds, says the government says this moment should be about creating jobs. >> i think only this conservative government could spend half £1 billion making thousands of people rich redundant. i was at port talbot yesterday . i was talking to the yesterday. i was talking to the workforce. of course they support green steel. of course they want to see this transition take place. but they they were promised they'd be a part of it. they were promised they'd be consulted plans the consulted on the plans for the future. fundamentally, future. and fundamentally, this should a story about more should be a story about more jobs. there are huge opportunities for green steel in the uk and the way that this has been presented to them obviously has worried . has them worried. >> now a french couple has been jailed for almost ten years after trying to smuggle vietnamese migrants into the uk hidden inside furniture. junior

toussaint and adrien paul were sentenced to nine years and 11 months in prison. after pleading guilty to assisting unlawful migration into the uk . the pair migration into the uk. the pair squeezed vietnamese migrants, including children in side specially adapted sofas and chests of drawers in an effort to smuggle them through border control checks at the port of newhaven . now train drivers will newhaven. now train drivers will strike at the end of this month in their long running dispute over pay. the aslef union saying its members at 16 train operator will walk out on the 30th of september and the 4th of october and the action will coincide with the conservative party's annual conference. the union said the strikes force said the strikes will force train operators to cancel all services , causing travel services, causing travel disruption for passengers as and 80 prison officers at hmp wandsworth did not attend their shifts on the day daniel khalife escaped from prison. that's according to a government

minister. the 21 year old escaped from wandsworth prison last week and was later arrested after a four day manhunt. khalife disappeared while awaiting trial after being charged with terror offences in january . an investigation will january. an investigation will look at whether the prison followed relevant protocols . followed relevant protocols. you're with gb news across the uk on your tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news. channel three. >> thanks for that polly. i'm michelle dewberry till 7:00 tonight. dawn neesom alongside me, the former editor editor of the daily star. i need to go to home bed. i think you can tell it's friday and i'm very i'm actually high fiving myself internally that i didn't call you a dawn neesom because any time i see you, anyone that's not a regular to this show will have no idea what i am talking about. that is stuck with me how. >> now. >> i'm identifying as prawn. just just for just for you, michel. just for this afternoon. just for you.

just for you, michel. just for thisjustzrnoon. just for you. just for you, michel. just for thisjust for»on. just for you. just for you, michel. just for thisjust for the just for you. just for you, michel. just for thisjust for the rest for you. just for you, michel. just for thisjust for the rest of you. just for you, michel. just for thisjust for the rest of the. >> just for the rest of the evening. and paul embery as well. friday regular. we well. my friday regular. we always like paul, don't we all know now, you? know paul is by now, don't you? a firefighter and trade unionist? we normally have a massive your facial massive debate about your facial hair, you know what? tonight hair, but you know what? tonight you here to stay. is you alone. it's here to stay. is it listeners it the viewers and listeners spoke, they? spoke, didn't they? >> the overwhelming >> and the overwhelming consensus when i shaved it off was bring it back now. >> back because >> did you bring it back because of viewers? yeah. >> did you bring it back because of much wers? yeah. >> did you bring it back because of much to rs? yeah. >> did you bring it back because of much to this’eah. >> did you bring it back because of much to this match. much to >> much to this match. much to the chagrin of my wife, i have to say, who was appalled that i brought back. but there you brought it back. but there you go. and listeners go. the viewers and listeners always come first. the always come first. that is the kind of commitment gb news kind of commitment to gb news that like. that i like. >> he's taken his appearance guidance appearance >> he's taken his appearance guideyou appearance >> he's taken his appearance guideyou guys appearance >> he's taken his appearance guideyou guys at appearance >> he's taken his appearance guideyou guys at homeearance >> he's taken his appearance guideyou guys at homeeararnot from you guys at home and not his own. mrs. i like that you can come again. his own. mrs. i like that you can divorce|gain. his own. mrs. i like that you candivorce proceedings his own. mrs. i like that you can divorce proceedings starting >> divorce proceedings starting next week. >> well, that's all right. >> well, that's all right. >> sure there's a delightful >> i'm sure there's a delightful bunch there that bunch of people out there that are hook up are single. i'll hook you up with them. kevin says. well, lots getting in touch lots of you getting in touch already me. actually, lots of you getting in touch alread'quick me. actually, lots of you getting in touch alread'quick off�*. actually, lots of you getting in touch alread'quick off the tually, lots of you getting in touch alread'quick off the mark. you're quick off the mark tonight on friday. who's tonight on this friday. who's this? says michelle, this? kevin says michelle, correct me if i'm correct me. correct me if i'm wrong, but i think at the start of program, that

of this program, you said that the of criminality in the age of criminality in england is 12. ken england and wales is 12. ken says , i thought it was ten. you says, i thought it was ten. you can tell me off if i've got it wrong. no, ken, it was me that got wrong. was just got it wrong. i was just checking you lot are wide checking that you lot are wide awake you are. you've passed awake and you are. you've passed the awake i like the friday awake test. i like it. you're absolutely right. the criminality country, criminality age in this country, in wales is indeed, in england and wales is indeed, as just saying, in england and wales is indeed, as just saying , 12, ten. as i was just saying, 12, ten. it's ten in this country and 12 in scotland . and this the reason in scotland. and this the reason this is very important is this is the crux of the main debate. i want to have with you tonight to kick this programme off. so i want all your thoughts. you can correct me all you like. vaiews@gbnews.com email vaiews@gbnews.com is my email address me as address and you can tweet me as well gb news because any of well at gb news because any of you that any of you guys that are you will are on social media, you will have a video and it really, have seen a video and it really, really pretty disturbing . really is pretty disturbing. right? me in my right? and it stopped me in my tracks . i want to issue tracks. i want to issue a warning to you because am warning to you because i am about this video, but about to play this video, but i have obviously blurred out the faces of the people involved. let me just play it for you and

then we'll discuss why regina, regina . where are we? regina. where are we? >> try . what do you mean, try? >> try. what do you mean, try? let me try. no oh. oh >> this video is just take my word for it. it's pretty horrific. it took place near manchester and it's gone viral andifs manchester and it's gone viral and it's sparked , obviously a and it's sparked, obviously a huge outrage . now, the police huge outrage. now, the police then took to twitter off the back of this outrage and confirmed that they have arrested a 12 year old girl. now, obviously for assault and the rest of it now , i'm not the rest of it now, i'm not going to discuss the specifics of this girl because it's an ongoing case. but a conversation has been sparked, paul, about whether or not in this country, the age of criminality, she is at the right level or not. whether or not children for doing acts that obviously are criminal should be tried in that way as criminals as opposed to damaged individuals, whether or not they should have criminal records and all rest of it. records and all the rest of it. where you stand on it? where do you stand on it? >> well, i'm no bleeding heart

liberal, but i think i have to say, i think the age of ten is probably too low. >> so ten is england. and wales, ten is england and wales. >> is scotland. scotland. i >> 12 is scotland. scotland. i think is too low as think arguably 12 is too low as well. i if you well. actually, i think if you look many countries in europe look at many countries in europe , higher than , they have an age higher than that 14, sometimes even that 13, 14, sometimes even higher than that. and i just think it is difficult to be sure that kids, certainly kids at ten know the difference or have been taught the difference between right and wrong in any serious , right and wrong in any serious, meaningful way. really well, i think particularly if you think of kids from disadvantaged backgrounds where there may have been a complete absence of love of care and they may not have been imbued with that moral compass that many other people are imbued with. so as i say, i'm not a bleeding heart liberal on this because i think certainly the parents need to be held accountable. i think if your kid is going out and committing acts like the horrendous one that we've just seen , i certainly don't believe

seen, i certainly don't believe that the parents should escape some degree of response ability for that. i'm all in favour of throwing the book at the parents because i think the parents can have big impact in a young have a big impact in a young person's in them person's life in teaching them right from wrong. kid right from wrong. but the kid themselves, real themselves, i would have real problems they must problems with saying they must be held criminally accountable problems with saying they must be helcage.1inally accountable at that age. >> what would you be >> what age then would you be happy with? >> i mean, i would need to i would need to look at the evidence. i would need listen evidence. i would need to listen to arguments for particular to the arguments for particular ages. i'm not going put ages. so i'm not going to put one i'm going to put one out one i'm not going to put one out of but nonetheless, of the air. but nonetheless, seeing that stuff, now seeing all that stuff, now you've concluded that the of you've concluded that the age of ten too young. no, i'm ten is too young. no, i'm talking from my from my experience, think the age experience, i think that the age of too young. and i'm of ten is too young. and i'm open about what the age open minded about what the age should we're all should be, but whilst we're all talking, should be higher. talking, it should be higher. >> we're all talking >> whilst we're all talking about old criminals, about ten year old criminals, let a nanosecond to let me just take a nanosecond to remind you of this. this pair of disgusting, despicable ten year remind you of this. this pair of disgindividualspicable ten year remind you of this. this pair of disgindividuals asable ten year remind you of this. this pair of disgindividuals as they ten year remind you of this. this pair of disgindividuals as they were. ar old individuals as they were. and i'm sure that some of you will know who i am talking about and yeah, of course, little gems

. bulger there alongside one of the people that went to on kill him. and i mean, when i when i think about paul saying about ten year olds and all the rest of it, those boys will never leave my brain. look at them . leave my brain. look at them. and some people go, oh, michel, you know, pack it in their children are they're not their absolute anyway , the thing is, i absolute anyway, the thing is, i mean, it's horrific, michel, and no one can ever forget that. >> and i'm sort of sort of like, you know, i've spoken to denise bulger , jamie's mum, on several bulger, jamie's mum, on several occasions , and this lives with occasions, and this lives with her on a daily a daily basis. it was horrific what robert thompson and jon venables did and jon venables is still serving time because he keeps repeat offending sexual offences . so there is criminal criminality from the age of ten within that person. so i do disagree with paul. i think the age of ten is right. there are many countries in europe that have the age of ten. scandinavia is a different one where they have criminal age of 15, but

have the criminal age of 15, but then they will try and sort of like take the decriminalising thing out of a criminal of 15 and get them social care instead . but there are many, many countries around the world where the criminal age of consent is seven. now i disagree with it being that low, and there was one country where the criminal age consent is actually zero and thatis age consent is actually zero and that is mauritius. age consent is actually zero and that is mauritius . really? yeah, that is mauritius. really? yeah, absolutely . the burden of proof, absolutely. the burden of proof, though , is you have to prove though, is you have to prove that that child, how old that child is , knew what they were child is, knew what they were doing. and that is a problem. but they don't actually have a legal age of criminal consent. it can be from birth, obviously. it's ridiculous. >> yeah , probably not. >> yeah, probably not. >> yeah, probably not. >> but but mean, it does >> yeah, but but i mean, it does vary around the world. mean, vary around the world. i mean, sort of countries between sort of most countries between seven ten seems to be pretty seven and ten seems to be pretty much agreed. and scotland was only put up to 12 a couple of years ago, by the way. >> so, see, i think 12 is too old. i think that i think scotland should be brought into line with those guys. for example, in england it should be

ten, it should be united. >> okay. >> okay. >> so let me let me ask you this. do you believe in the proposal for votes at 16? >> oh, we go. >> oh, we go. >> no, it's a legitimate question because i don't i and i've made this argument i've made this argument frequently that i think that you cannot say that i think that you cannot say that children of that age, some of still school, of whom will still be at school, have the wherewithal to be have got the wherewithal to be able to go into a ballot box and choose government of the choose the government of the day. argument consistently. >> i would say, no, don't >> i would say, no, i don't agree with votes for 16 year olds because of them, olds because lots of them, i think of 18, you've got a think age of 18, you've got a stake in society. you've hopefully been paying tax for a little bit. you're probably been working the rest of it. working and all the rest of it. so i would bring you in then. >> but to me, that's quite different. >> would you say that 16 year olds and people have called olds and some people have called for for 14 olds as for votes for 14 year olds as well, would you that 16 well, would you say that that 16 year are and i don't want year olds are and i don't want to put words in your mouth, but but not mature enough to be able to put words in your mouth, but buexercise|ture enough to be able to put words in your mouth, but buexercise a|re enough to be able to put words in your mouth, but buexercise a decisionih to be able to put words in your mouth, but buexercise a decision of:o be able to put words in your mouth, but buexercise a decision of that able to exercise a decision of that weight in terms of choosing a government or a local council or something? >> well, i don't think it's

about maturity. i think it's about maturity. i think it's about in society. about maturity. i think it's about16 in society. about maturity. i think it's about16 year in society. about maturity. i think it's about16 year olds in society. about maturity. i think it's about16 year olds won't society. about maturity. i think it's about16 year olds won't be :iety. most 16 year olds won't be working when you want to raise the age, many will. when you look two kids that i've look at those two kids that i've just you on that just demonstrated to you on that screen, mean, i can't even screen, i mean, i can't even begin. just feel ill begin. i mean, i just feel ill even thinking about what those two monsters did james two monsters did to james bulger. you telling me that bulger. are you telling me that you that there shouldn't you think that there shouldn't have criminally prosecuted you think that there shouldn't hathe criminally prosecuted you think that there shouldn't hathe criten?lly prosecuted at the age of ten? >> i look, it was an absolutely horrendous crime. and those of us parents will us who are parents will recognise and right recognise that. and you're right to way you do. but to feel the way that you do. but i think we need to draw i do think we need to draw a distinction between horrific crimes that are committed by very, very young children who do, in some cases as i think in at least one of these cases that we're referring to with jamie bulger had the most awful background and the most disadvantaged lord dannatt that is such an insult to people that have had a bad background and actually decent people. it's not. question of whether not. it's a question of whether or not kids at that age, at that young age have had it instilled in them. what you have in them. so what would you have done kids? what's done with those two kids? what's

the between right and wrong? >> 5 have done with >> what would you have done with those kids? those two kids? >> i certainly see >> well, i certainly see children who commit sorts children who commit those sorts of be incarcerated of acts need to be incarcerated because other other children and wider society need to be protected those. those protected from those. those people not dispute in that for a second. but at such a young age, ten, 11, 12, if there is the chance of rehabilitation action, then i think that's something that we need to try to offer them. and i want to stress again that when it comes to adults committing those sorts of crimes, i would have no problem whatsoever if capital punishment was back. was brought back. >> talking about i'm >> but i'm not talking about i'm not talking about kids. >> trying to terms of >> i'm trying to in terms of context, trying to explain context, i'm trying to explain that is not me coming from that this is not me coming from from the point view a from the point of view of a bleeding heart liberal. but i do think we need a think we need to draw a distinction between ten year think we need to draw a disti|committingen ten year think we need to draw a disti|committingen tencrimes and olds committing awful crimes and who particular who have had particular disadvantaged and disadvantaged backgrounds and adults gratuite when adults doing it. gratuite when they're 20, 30, 40. >> think i watched that video >> i think i watched that video of girls in of those little girls in manchester i thought way manchester and i thought the way she floor and she was she was on the floor and she was kicking her in the head you kicking her in the head and you watch you where watch that and you think, where are parents? what sort of

are the parents? what sort of parenting is going in those parenting is going on in those homes? to a certain homes? and so to a certain extent, i'm agreeing with you, paul extent, i'm agreeing with you, paul. there are paul. you know, there are questions to asked about what questions to be asked about what sort of homes children are growing i mean, growing up in. but, i mean, surely parents have to be surely the parents have to be taken mean, what are taken to task. i mean, what are they teaching these kids that that behaviour is acceptable? well, that behaviour is acceptable? weii. confess, because not >> i do confess, because not only i have arrested the only would i have arrested the 12 i need to be 12 year old and i need to be careful because it's an ongoing case. let's just imagine this case. so let's just imagine this fictitious so would fictitious situation. so i would have the purple have arrested the purple a traitor, but i would have also to looked to arrest the people all around that that were girding , encouraging and filming girding, encouraging and filming that behaviour because , you that behaviour because, you know, when there's a murder and stuff, the whole concept of about joint enterprise where people are collective, they're in collective of and you have in a collective of and you have collective responsibility to a degree, social media. what social media has done to children in of today's society putting, you know, you can be bullied 24 over seven before you used to be bullied at school, maybe on the way home and all the rest of it. and then you

kind of had a little bit of respite when you went to bed. these days it is relentless. >> it is. and i think children are desensitised are certainly desensitised as well what they on well because of what they see on social media and some of the computer games they play as well. but the with what well. but the problem with what you've suggested, michelle, i think there might have been people well people there, kids there as well in this mythical case we're talking about who also felt scared their own safety. so scared for their own safety. so maybe know what it's in maybe you know what it's like in a mentality. just think a gang mentality. i just think prosecuting people for being in the background , i think is a bit the background, i think is a bit of a slippery slope. no, they they sit in the background cheering, jeering, filming , cheering, jeering, filming, uploading it. >> they're not. so they all aren't so frightened. don't hit me. >> they're part of it. it's the nature of our age. >> but i think dawn has got an important point about the parents having to take responsibility. and i don't think we're very good at that. if an employer and one of if you're an employer and one of your employees someone your employees bullies someone in you're in the workplace, you're responsible employer. responsible as an employer. i think principle, they think the same principle, they should as well. >> el!- e bullies. there you >> parents of bullies. there you go. end on a note of

go. we end on a note of agreement. what do you mates with all in terms the age of with all in terms of the age of criminality? is that about right? it need to change? right? does it need to change? does need to be brought does scotland need to be brought into get into line with england? you get into line with england? you get in you let me know. in touch and you let me know. vaiews@gbnews.com coming up after break, it's great after the break, it's not great news, tell you now you news, i can tell you now if you are in talbot, 3000 jobs are in port talbot, 3000 jobs potential daily at risk. what's going on and what on earth will become of these people? talk about port talbot, the steel company. get in touch. let me know your thoughts on that .

to gb news radio. >> hi there, michelle dewberry with you till seven dawn neesom paul embery alongside me. we're just having a conversation within the break there about that bullying conversation, and dawn was asking me the question if that unfold unfolding if you saw that unfold unfolding on the platform in front of you, these kids beating another kid up, would you into intervene? and we were just talking, you know, some of these kids these

days, they have knives and you've to be careful. you've got to be so careful. >> and thing is, yeah, all >> and the thing is, yeah, all of would think you be of us would i think you would be because it's human because it's your it's human nature as an adult to protect a child. but as you say, you don't know these days whether kids know these days whether the kids have and they can have got knives and they can turn and then accuse you turn around and then accuse you of touching them in the wrong turn around and then accuse you of to especiallym in the wrong turn around and then accuse you of to especially if in the wrong turn around and then accuse you of to especially if you're wrong turn around and then accuse you of to especially if you're w1man. way, especially if you're a man. paul it's like, what are you doing? i'm going to, you know, but don't lot but i don't think a lot of people would these people would intervene these days. >> and i think when you see incidents there's incidents like this, there's this phenomenon i this new phenomenon which i think lots think is appalling, where lots of stand and of people just stand and actually it. you know, actually film it. you know, you'll see, for example, you'll see police trying to arrest see the police trying to arrest someone might someone and they might be struggling see a struggling and you'll see a crowd of six, eight, ten people standing around just just filming does. filming what society does. >> actually people >> people actually film, people standing edge of standing on the edge of buildings committing suicide . i buildings committing suicide. i mean, what. >> guys . i mean, have >> yeah, no, guys. i mean, have we if you see a child we become if you see a child being bullied, got to being bullied, you've got to help if it was your help them, right? if it was your kid, was your grandkid kid, if it was your grandkid kid, if it was your grandkid kid, would you want someone to help them? i i certainly help them? i mean, i certainly would. and halligan, would. me and liam halligan, we did intervene fight outside

did intervene in a fight outside the door. speak the door. i speak from experience. the right thing experience. it's the right thing to it? you tell me you to do, isn't it? you tell me you are from hull, michelle. >> so you're pretty. >> so you're pretty. >> i was a i was >> so you're pretty. >>iwasa|wasa >> so you're pretty. >> i was a i was a little bit behind liam. >> liam first. yeah. >> liam went first. yeah. >> liam went first. yeah. >> says my brother >> liam went first. yeah. >> wicked says my brother >> liam went first. yeah. >> wicked things;ays my brother >> liam went first. yeah. >> wicked things when|y brother >> liam went first. yeah. >> wicked things when heirother >> liam went first. yeah. >> wicked things when he was er did wicked things when he was 11, did get sent to 11, and he did get sent to prison. >> he says it did him the world of good. skylar says i was bullied over a year at bullied for over a year at secondary school, and the school basically by making secondary school, and the school basicalljbecause by making secondary school, and the school basicalljbecause she)y making secondary school, and the school basicalljbecause she was aking secondary school, and the school basicalljbecause she was from a excuses because she was from a broken home. hm. keep your thoughts coming in on that one. but look, do you know what sad news? i have to say it all stems around the steel industry because today the uk government has agreed a £500 million support package for tata steel and all about trying to and it's all about trying to secure all these jobs. the future of the workers at port talbot, now the unions are saying is all to saying that this is all going to have a devastating effect. it's trying. about to trying. it's about trying to move things like net move towards things like net zero, 3000 people up to potentially may lose their jobs. i find this devastating for so many reasons. the obvious no one

wants anyone to lose their job, but these kind of steel plants and stuff, they are often the heart of the industry and the communities. lots of these guys. i'm going to honest, it's i'm going to be honest, it's mainly sometimes men mainly men. sometimes the men have worked from school. have worked there from school. their worked there, their dads worked there, whatever. they've never done anything often anything else before. often you're this you're going to strip this industry them and then what? >> it's devastating . and as you >> it's devastating. and as you say, 3000 jobs out of the window in that community. the impact that that will have economically and socially , the knock on and socially, the knock on impacts in terms of suppliers who are likely to be affected by it as well . who are likely to be affected by it as well. but who are likely to be affected by it as well . but unfortunately, it as well. but unfortunately, the truth is it's the sign of our decline as a nation in terms of our industrial base, in terms of our industrial base, in terms of our industrial base, in terms of our manufacturing sector. this isn't anything new. michelle. this has been going on for at least 40 years and, you know, the reality is that we are a country now that wrongly in my view, puts all of its faith in financial services and thinks that that's going to bring us prosperity and has completely neglected our manufacturing base

and our industrial base. and actually, when you look at the pandemic, we saw the price that we paid in of not having we paid in terms of not having an base , in terms of an industrial base, in terms of supply chains the lack of supply chains and the lack of ppe stuff that was as clear ppe and stuff that was as clear cut. an example of why i think it's important for any advanced country to have an industrial base. but we just don't have one. think other point is one. i think the other point is that you know, is all that the, you know, this is all about net zero. it's about achieving net zero and it's about decarbonising that plant. and the rush to net zero, it and in the rush to net zero, it seems to me and the gmb union is right to say it, these 3000 people are losing their jobs. so people are losing theirjobs. so when we talk about a just transition, not transition, it's certainly not a just for these people. >> this is the problem. i mean, there 8000 people employed there are 8000 people employed there, 3000 of those are expected their jobs, expected to lose their jobs, which say, michelle, which is, as you say, michelle, absolutely horrific the area. but this relentless and but this is this relentless and often drive net often unrealistic drive to net zero. these people would be losing their jobs whether this industry was nationalised or whoever was running or whether it got another bailout, because this is because of net zero,

there will be less jobs available for people there no matter who was running this particular steelworks. so it's we have to weigh up now with pretty much everything we do in life important is net zero life. how important is net zero to us? right. but then in the short space of time, someone would back. would push back. >> example. someone that >> for example. so someone that supports would supports all this stuff would push you and say, you push back to you and say, you know what? on the one hand, so you lose jobs, you might lose some jobs, i don't know, in this industry or whatever, but then you're going to in, i don't to generate new jobs in, i don't know, solar power stuff wind know, solar power stuff or wind power stuff whatever for you, power stuff or whatever for you, but not helping but that's not helping these 3000 who potentially lose 3000 people who potentially lose their jobs straight away. >> not happening. >> and it's not happening. and this key and i can this is the key point. and i can say, as someone at the heart of the trade union movement, this debate been raging in the debate has been raging in the trade movement several trade union movement for several years lot years now, whereas a lot of unions completely behind the net zero, cause they're saying yes, unions completely behind the net zero, must they're saying yes, unions completely behind the net zero, must be zy're saying yes, unions completely behind the net zero, must be are saying yes, unions completely behind the net zero, must be are sttransition. there must be a just transition. exactly michelle, exactly what you said, michelle, go renewable industries go into new renewable industries and and the unions that and so on. and the unions that represent current, if represent workers in current, if you fuel industries you like, fossil fuel industries like gmb and like united like the gmb and like united said, well, hold on a second here. is no evidence that

here. there is no evidence that those yet exist to those industries yet exist to any where they can take any degree where they can take on workers who may any degree where they can take on bombed workers who may any degree where they can take on bombed out workers who may any degree where they can take on bombed out oforkers who may any degree where they can take on bombed out of the rs who may any degree where they can take on bombed out of the fossil) may any degree where they can take on bombed out of the fossil fuely be bombed out of the fossil fuel industry. this a clear industry. this is a clear example it. these 3000 people example of it. these 3000 people have been by the trade have been let down by the trade union movement widely, union movement more widely, and that upsets that really upsets the government's poll and the government's poll and the government's all government's because, yeah, all these gestures, these these grand gestures, all these grand we're going to these grand gestures, all these graiti we're going to these grand gestures, all these grait by we're going to these grand gestures, all these grait by 2030. we're going to do it by 2030. >> by 2050, the people on the ground are suffering. >> yes. ground are suffering. >> ies. ground are suffering. >> i don't think have >> i don't think people have thought all. sounds thought through it all. sounds good, doesn't it? we'll do this by we'll do that by 2050. by 2030. we'll do that by 2050. yeah. brilliant great yeah. brilliant sounds great on a piece but actually, a piece of paper. but actually, when you look at how are you going actually achieve going to actually achieve that, are to do are the are we ready to do that? are the things you need to be there things that you need to be there where they need to be? i would argue probably not. and the people the skills, it people the skills, whatever it is worry is there, i just worry that they've thought through. they've not thought it through. >> haven't they >> well, they haven't they haven't a safety net in haven't put a safety net in place people. place for these people. >> you port talbot? do >> are you in port talbot? do you work at tata steel? i wonder if there's anyone out there watching that's to watching that's going to be directly impacted it's directly impacted by this. it's not just the steel plant as well. got all the well. you've got all of the cafes, the infrastructure that that relies that workforce.

that relies on that workforce. >> mean, if you at the >> i mean, if you look at the 19805, >> i mean, if you look at the 1980s, people will have all different great different views on the great miners strike in the 1980s. but i think even people who cheered thatcher at time thatcher on at the time now recognise the legacy that that caused in terms of smashing an entire industry , a quarter of entire industry, a quarter of a million men employed in the mine working industry in the 1980s and for economic reasons , as she and for economic reasons, as she she wanted to run down the industry, turfed them all out of work . now, whether you agree work. now, whether you agree with that or not, at the time, the truth is the legacy that that left in terms of, you know, family breakdown and family breakdown towns and people and not people being unemployed and not being able to find new jobs, people drink and to people turning to drink and to drugs on. and kind of drugs and so on. and the kind of deprivation set in to deprivation that's set in to those communities , some these those communities, some of these pit towns are pit villages and towns are exactly what you said about port talbot michelle relied on that talbot. michelle relied on that pit as their main source of employment and their main source of income . and when that went, of income. and when that went, then we saw the effects of it in terms of the social decay that followed. and we need to remember even though we think,

oh, there's an economic case for getting rid of these 3000, which i don't think there is at all. by i don't think there is at all. by the way, we need to remember what the knock on effects of thatis what the knock on effects of that is for community. it that is for the community. it lasts years, as we from lasts for years, as we saw from the and this is one of the miners and this is one of the miners and this is one of the hearts of the whole levelling up thing, because you've of these you've taken a lot of these industries north industries out of the north without actually engaging brain cells that cells as to what it is that you're replace them you're going to replace them with. >> w you've w— w you've got all >> so now you've got all of these deprived areas lack these deprived areas that lack industry. touch. gb views industry. get in touch. gb views gbnews.com. what gbnews.com. tell me what you make to it all. let's first have a look at the weather that warm feeling from boxt boilers. >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. with the gb news forecast, it's going to stay warm in the south over the next 24 hours. it's going to stay cool in the north. but through the weekend, there's an increased chance of thundery showers as the showers in places as the humidity rises for the time being, a weather front is stuck

across central swathe of the uk that's been bringing wet weather all day, really across central and southern scotland, northern england, northern ireland. that continues into the night time to the far north. we keep clear spells and a few showers . spells and a few showers. temperatures dipping in northern scotland, 3 to 6 celsius in places . but it's a warm night places. but it's a warm night across much of england and wales. teens in places . and wales. mid teens in places. and as night goes on, an as the night goes on, an increased chance of some of these thundery showers turning up across parts of wales in the south—west will to south—west these will tend to fade away during the morning once again then a fine day once again and then a fine day for much of the southern half of the uk. an outside chance here and the odd thundery and there of the odd thundery showers up. showers popping up. but otherwise a lot of fine weather, sunny and temperatures sunny spells and temperatures reaching 26 or 27 celsius towards the south—east it's going up as well across going to dry up as well across these with the these central parts with the rain easing away, a clear start then on sunday for scotland , but then on sunday for scotland, but a chilly start with frost in places here, warmer elsewhere and through the day on sunday, we're going to see humid air drift north across the uk and

with lowering pressure that will lead to the risk of thundery rain pushing north as well . rain pushing north as well. monday, further heavy downpours and thunderstorms and then it turns cooler in the south. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers as proud sponsors of weather on . gb news kevin of weather on. gb news kevin says michelle tata steel is a very important company, but he does ponder why is it the uk government that's helping give money? >> £500 million was the amount? he says india is an incredibly rich country, so why isn't it their government that's helping bail this company out? well, of course, the flip of that course, the flip side of that argument, though, is the argument, though, is if the government step government doesn't help step in with the contribution, there's more jobs. lost, more more jobs. would be lost, more people essentially in that people in essentially in that dole so paying dole queue. so we'd be paying that money a different way. that money out a different way. and that couldn't and couldn't that couldn't have made investment the made that investment inside the eu where state aid eu by the way, where state aid is outlawed. eu by the way, where state aid is oand ned. eu by the way, where state aid is oand ind. eu by the way, where state aid is oand in fact the belgian >> and in fact the belgian government the italian government and the italian governments find some years governments were find some years ago for giving state so ago for giving state aid. so their steel industries , one their steel industries, one

benefit brexit is that they benefit of brexit is that they can invest the steel industry. >> oh, i love the positivity. >> oh, i love the positivity. >> i love it. right. up, >> i love it. right. coming up, after all this, after all this talk, we've been debating it for a few days now, haven't we? the american bully dog. it american xl bully dog. it apparently will be apparently that breed will be banned end of the year. banned by the end of the year. what you make to that? and if what do you make to that? and if there is a dog attack, by the way, how on earth do you get these dogs off you? i'll be speaking an expert about all speaking to an expert about all of that

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. dawn neesom , the former tonight. dawn neesom, the former editor of the daily star and a gb news contributor alongside me as is paul embry, a firefighter and a trade unionist. at the top of the show we were talking about the age of criminality in this country. michael you're a harsh you don't mind harsh man, if you don't mind me saying, you've in saying, because you've got in touch twitter saying touch with me on twitter saying you lower the age of you would lower the age of

criminal responsibility to the start primary school. criminal responsibility to the stawe're primary school. criminal responsibility to the stawe're talking mary school. criminal responsibility to the stawe're talking fiver school. criminal responsibility to the stawe're talking five years ol. criminal responsibility to the stawe're talking five years old. so we're talking five years old. i don't know. you're also saying as well that you would go on and prosecute those kids five years old. i don't know. yes. you know, right from wrong. but do you understand the criminality boundaries? don't know. i'm boundaries? i don't know. i'm going guys going to leave it with you guys to have final thoughts on to have the final thoughts on that i'm going to move on, that one. i'm going to move on, though, and talk to you about dogs. got be honest, i swore dogs. got to be honest, i swore i'd do that after i'd never do that again after the last days we've had this the last few days we've had this week. but you know, the news agenda does on. today agenda does move on. so today you noticed the news. you might have noticed the news. the bully dog the american bully dog apparently to be banned by apparently going to be banned by the the year. this, of the end of the year. this, of course, know what's course, we know what's been going there's a whole going on. there's been a whole spate attacks. and rishi spate of attacks. and rishi sunak now decided enough is sunak has now decided enough is enough. get straight enough. let's get straight into this shall with a man this then, shall we, with a man that knows a thing or two about dogs, i'm joined by robert allen, who's a founder of the canine academy. good canine instructor academy. good evening. thank you for joining me. first. what me. first things first. what about do you agree about this ban? do you agree with it . with it. >> no, i didn't agree with it in 1991 with the american pit bull

terrier and i still don't agree with it today. we've seen how effective it was in 1991 and we still see pit bulls are estimated to be thousands of them still in the uk just a couple of days ago, i had somebody ring up where they're pit bull terrier is growling at their toddler. 23 years after this law was put in place. we've still got pit bull terriers . but still got pit bull terriers. but what it did do was by criminalising it, it encouraged the people who breed those sort of dogs to look for something else. and then what we got was the xl bully, which was like a pit bull, but much more dangerous. and my concern is if we ban the xl bully, we'll just see history repeat itself. we ban the xl bully, we'll just see histjust repeat itself. we ban the xl bully, we'll just see histjust come itself. we ban the xl bully, we'll just see histjust come upelf. we ban the xl bully, we'll just see histjust come up with they'll just come up with something outside of something else that's outside of the yeah and that is the law. yeah and that is a concern that i've heard from quite a few people. >> i say. i want to ask you >> i must say. i want to ask you a second question as well, because something caught my eye today. again in my today. it stopped me again in my tracks. is horrific. and i tracks. it is horrific. and i think as well you've seen the video. i'm going to it for video. i'm going to play it for my i warn you, it is

my viewers. i warn you, it is quite distressing. so you know, if are you know, easily if you are you know, easily upset anything, look upset or anything, just look away. is a little boy away. now, this is a little boy right? he's playing. i'll right? and he's playing. i'll describe anyone that's describe it for anyone that's watching. the radio watching. and on the radio listening, there's a boy listening, there's a little boy and playing outside his and he's playing outside his house. football. house. he's playing football. and basically and this dog just basically comes absolutely comes at him out of absolutely nowhere . he launches at him, nowhere. he launches at him, jumps on him, takes him down. and this video is horrific . and and this video is horrific. and this goes on. this dog locks on. you can see i'm going to keep this video playing so you can see the duration of this attack. adults come out in a second to try and help him. robert the adults are hitting and hitting and hitting dog as we're and hitting this dog as we're about see over and over about to see over and over again. and that dog will not let go. so i'm really fascinated and i'm many of viewers are, i'm sure many of my viewers are, too, if you or a loved one find yourself. unfortunately the victim of one of these dog attacks , what do you do ? attacks, what do you do? >> well , of course, we see time >> well, of course, we see time and time again the problem isn't the dog. it's the person who owns the dog who hasn't brought the dog up properly, who doesn't

have enough control it here have enough control of it here we a dog. where is the we see a dog. where is the owner? the owner is not present. and we just punish this dog, and if we just punish this dog, they just go out and. no, but you're missing point. you're missing my point. >> my point, respectfully, is if you've got a locked on to you've got a dog locked on to you, do you i mean, they're you, what do you i mean, they're hitting let go. hitting it. it won't let go. what do? hitting it. it won't let go. wh i: do? hitting it. it won't let go. wh i get do? hitting it. it won't let go. wh i get that. io? hitting it. it won't let go. wh i get that. so hitting it. it won't let go. whi get that. so it's hitting it. it won't let go. wh i get that. so it's very >> i get that. so it's very difficult because it depends on the dog. now, when we look at a dog like this one who clearly means harm, this is not that kind of handbag stuff you see with with dogs making a lot with with two dogs making a lot of when you get a of noise. when you get a situation like this where the dog clearly means somebody's serious there few serious harm, there are a few things and a few things you should do and a few things you should do and a few things never most things you never the most important you see important thing that you see this doesn't do is you must this boy doesn't do is you must stand up. if humanly possible, get up when you're standing is very difficult for the dog to get to the upper part of your body, which is where all the vulnerable is. if dog vulnerable stuff is. if the dog gets arm, you're gets hold of your arm, you're probably going to from probably not going to die from that. you're on the that. but if you're on the floor, expose your whole floor, you expose your whole body to the dog. and there are some really important bits that

you the dog you can't afford to let the dog get so first thing, get hold of. so first thing, whenever possible, i'll stand up this is going to sound this next bit is going to sound really but hear me out. really strange, but hear me out. if dog gets of a part if the dog gets hold of a part of that you think can of you that you think you can afford to lose like an arm or a leg, leave it there until you can do something effective again. what i've seen time and time again in videos and we see it here, they get the dog off the boy's arm and it immediately goes for his legs and his torso, which are much more vulnerable now in a situation and what will happen when you're panicked is all of what i'm about to say will go out the window. but in an ideal world, if, for example, there was a or door or there was a house or a door or even a car nearby, you would leave it on your arm. take yourself to that car, open the dog, get yourself in the car, and then actually shut the door on the dog's head. repeat and it will probably let go. we all know when you play tug with a dog, once a dog gets hold of something, more you it, something, the more you tug it, the less likely the dog is to let go. it tightens its grip. so

when see here, they're when you see here, they're pulling what the pulling the little boy, what the dog do is tighten its grip dog will do is tighten its grip on so try and keep the on his arm so try and keep the boy. still some dogs, when you're not moving their prey drive will reduce and they may voluntarily let go, especially if also hitting it. if you're also hitting it. but the with hitting it is the the risk with hitting it is the dog pares the pain with the stimulus. so when you're whacking the dog, who's attacking child in the dog's attacking the child in the dog's mind? the pain is coming from the it often causes the child. so it often causes them to tighten their grip. so try get child to stay try and get the child to stay still. see in this video the still. we see in this video the dog is wearing a collar. what some those people have some of those people might have been doing is been much better doing is grabbing the collar and grabbing hold of the collar and tightening or twisting the tightening or twisting even the collar . so tightening or twisting even the collar. so you tightening or twisting even the collar . so you cut off the tightening or twisting even the collar. so you cut off the dog's airway and that will probably cause dog to let go. right. cause the dog to let go. right. something else you can do if you got something very strong and long and flat, think of the wedge used to hold your door open, wedge wood, open, that wedge of wood, something flat that's something long and flat that's very strong . what can very strong. what you can actually push it through actually do is push it through the dog's teeth when the dog's biting something, there'll be the dog's teeth when the dog's bigap something, there'll be

the dog's teeth when the dog's bigap on something, there'll be the dog's teeth when the dog's bigap on either hing, there'll be the dog's teeth when the dog's bigap on either side. there'll be the dog's teeth when the dog's bigap on either side. slide ll be the dog's teeth when the dog's bigap on either side. slide it be a gap on either side. slide it through and then somebody holding the dog's collar. through and then somebody holding the dog's collar . and holding the dog's collar. and then hand you prise then the other hand you prise then the other hand you prise the dog's mouth open. so at least for a second it lets go. you've already got hold of the collar the collar that you then pull the dog usually the dog dog off, right? usually the dog will focussed the child will be so focussed on the child that you would be able to get hold of and probably pull the hold of it and probably pull the dog away yourself being attacked. >> goodness me. >> goodness me. >> one of my viewers, robert, one viewers said she one of my viewers has said she thinks you get the back thinks that you get the back legs dog and you lift it legs of the dog and you lift it up . up. >> that. don't do that. >> don't do that. don't do that. don't lift the dog's back legs up. don't stick your finger in its bum all those things will just make the dog turn around at you. and you're now at head height dog. do height with the dog. don't do any that. that's terrible any of that. that's terrible ideas. heard sorts ideas. i've heard all sorts of crazy things. do those. crazy things. don't do those. >> fascinating stuff. >> right. fascinating stuff. >> right. fascinating stuff. >> legs, front legs will >> back legs, front legs will come around and you're then in a lot of trouble. don't do that. >> goodness me. all right, >> oh, goodness me. all right, robert said. robert robert said. that's robert lynn. thank you very your thank you very much for your time. he's the founder of the canine academy. canine instructor academy. course life me course scared the life out of me quite frankly. patrick quite frankly. it patrick

christys me to put the christys. he told me to put the finger the bum as well. finger in the bum as well. i thought he was joking. wow why would you that anyway? would you do that anyway? whatever so what do you make to all banning of the all of that? the banning of the breeds the like. all of that? the banning of the brelis the like. all of that? the banning of the bre�*i thought1e like. all of that? the banning of the bre�*i thought that le. all of that? the banning of the bre�*i thought that e. was >> i thought that advice was really interesting, actually. i thought robert was an impressive guest, have known guest, and i wouldn't have known any of information, frankly any of that information, frankly . i've got a dog. i would not have known any of that information often. it's information often. so it's useful information. useful to have that information. i think are danger and i think they are a danger and they probably should banned i think they are a danger and they future ly should banned i think they are a danger and they future breeding. banned i think they are a danger and they future breeding. i banned i think they are a danger and they future breeding. i don't1ed from future breeding. i don't want the current ones want to see the current ones destroyed. should be kept destroyed. they should be kept under strict conditions. but i think a ban on future breeding is probably justified and well. >> i mean, problem you've >> i mean, the problem you've got this particular got with this particular dog, it's actually it's it's not actually a breed. it's a of dog . and there are no a type of dog. and there are no genetic will genetic markers that will identify xl bully. this is identify as an xl bully. this is the with it. and the problem with banning it. and i completely agree with robert and rspca that the dangerous and the rspca that the dangerous dog act is not fit for purpose. it's seeing an increase in dog attacks and increasing the banned dogs and banning them. now is too little, too late, too

little too late. >> do you agree with that? and would you be there with your wedge, your door wedge and. oh, really? i'd be absolutely terrified, quite frankly. anyway, me your anyway, you give me your thoughts that. thoughts on all of that. vaiews@gbnews.uk um, i'll see you .

in two. hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co torfaen is open, which means that we will imminently be heading to something positive . heading to something positive. so cheers to each of you. cheers lots of you getting in touch about the dog attack. we were just sitting and reflecting and saying, actually, it made a lot of sense what that guy was saying. a few of you are not saying. but a few of you are not having any of richard says, having any of it. richard says, what to say. think about what a thing to say. think about what limb you could do without. well actually, when you think about he's saying, about it like he's saying, richard, quite richard, saying it sounds quite idiotic, when you idiotic, but actually, when you think it's probably think about that, it's probably that you know, he's that dog expert. you know, he's probably got quite a good point

there , claire says. so let me there, claire says. so let me get this straight. a small kid is expected to stand up with the weight that dog. how? weight of that dog. how? absolutely ridiculous . and i absolutely ridiculous. and i think is a good point, think that is a good point, actually, because of these actually, because some of these xl more than xl bullies weigh more than me. so do even stand up? so how do you even stand up? >> be fair robert, i think >> to be fair to robert, i think he did say, look, if you can possibly stand up, then you should try to. >> roman says you contribute was absolutely you the absolutely right. you twist the collar throttle the collar and throttle the dog right. then right. right. and then he's saying and saying some other bits and pieces you've he's pieces that you've done. he's telling me he's separated, fighting dogs and the twist pull mechanism collar works. mechanism on the collar works. do i hope and do you know what? i hope and pray none quite pray that none of us, quite frankly, ever need to put into practise advice that practise any of the advice that we've heard. that would be we've just heard. that would be the scenario, wouldn't the ideal scenario, wouldn't it? for your thoughts for us all? keep your thoughts there. coming in. but today, did you know today the battle of you know today is the battle of britain anniversary? did you know anniversary of its know that the anniversary of its battle of britain day, isn't it? >> it was a turning point in the in the conflict. good >> well done. someone has a history. do you know that? >> only when the producers told

me before we came on set. >> well, the reason i thought it was quite it got was quite nice, it got me thinking veterans what thinking about veterans and what we the rest of it. we do and all the rest of it. and i saw something lovely. it warmed so it did. so warmed my cockles, so it did. so i thought, you know what, i'm going to share it with the viewers put a smile on your viewers to put a smile on your face to you into the face to send you into the weekend. this. this weekend. look at this. this is a war hero. rhiannon tomlin. he's called reached his called he's reached his hundredth an hundredth birthday. what an achievement. look achievement. it and look how it was celebrated. is a veteran was celebrated. he is a veteran in he got a special raf in and he got a special raf flyover this week to celebrate his special birthday . can you his special birthday. can you see it coming ? this is what we see it coming? this is what we want. this is the way we should treat our veterans, isn't it ? treat our veterans, isn't it? don't you think? >> and you know, the truth is, there are not that many of them around. and if you if you were somebody who was 18 and you joined up at the beginning of the second world war in 1939, you're in your hundreds now and there's not many of those people left. and if you only caught the tail end of the war, if you fought towards the end of the war you turned 18, you're

war when you turned 18, you're going sort of in your late going to be sort of in your late 90s. and we often think that those people are going to be around but they're around forever, but they're dwindling in numbers. the average the lads and average age of the lads and they were mostly boys in the battle of just 20 years of britain was just 20 years old. >> gosh, it's scary. >>— >> gosh, it's scary. >> you know, i don't mean to be rude when you think rude or anything when you think about today. and about 20 year olds of today. and i i've got one in my mind i mean, i've got one in my mind i mean, i've got one in my mind i won't name because i'll deeply offend but think there offend him. but i think there absolutely blooming gormless and then lots of i'm then i but lots of lots of i'm sure there's some decent ones i'll carry out that and then i imagine putting that year old imagine putting that 20 year old and his generation on and many of his generation on out there in the front line. i mean, can you imagine, would they get upset if the wi—fi goes down? >> michelle? don't they? let's be honest. >> but this is what i mean. and they don't make them like those kind anymore. was kind of veterans anymore. it was a different a completely different generation. i don't know generation. and i don't know whether not do enough to whether or not we do enough to show respect lot of our show respect to a lot of our veterans, not just the elder ones before, but ones from whenever before, but the recent conflicts as the more recent conflicts as well. i just feel like we well. i just don't feel like we respect enough. respect them enough. >> i don't. and actually >> no, i don't. and i actually think we a in

think we have a thing in this country where actually country where we actually demonise think we demonise the elderly. i think we you know, we either say, oh, yeah, or you know, the pensions. we can't afford pensions . da we can't afford the pensions. da da da da da. or ignore them. da da da da. or we ignore them. >> you know, key point, >> and you know, key point, these people fought real fascism. when we talk about fascism. when we talk about fascism. and that is a word that is so inflated and, you is so inflated now. and, you know , brexit is fascist and the know, brexit is fascist and the tory government is fascist. and all of this sort of nonsense, everything that might be mildly on right gets called on the right gets called fascist. fascism was fascist. well, fascism was people in jackboots and the holocaust and people being wiped out because they, you know, were trade unionists or because they were disabled, disabled . and were disabled, disabled. and let's remember fascism for what it was and what these guys you're so right. and let's not demean and debase and devalue the word in the way that we use. >> we use the phrases like and holocaust to glibly to holocaust just to glibly to describe things are nowhere describe things that are nowhere near went on. near the horrors that went on. >> why do you think that is? >> but why do you think that is? i just if it happens a lot, it does a lot. does happen a lot. >> i think everything has >> and i think everything has got more divisive and more angry

since brexit. i hate to say it since brexit. i hate to say it since we had that we seem to have lost the ability to be able to talk sensibly about things, to talk sensibly about things, to have a debate without screaming hate and abuse at one another. and i think there's a there's an air of rigid conformity within our political discourse. >> now. and because so much of it, so many of our public institutions media is institutions and our media is dominated by the liberal left and i'm on the left, but i'm not and i'm on the left, but i'm not a liberal by any stretch. i think anything that cuts against that, they will instinctively see as as being morally inferior and they will think , you know, and they will think, you know, you must be some far right activist, you must be some sort of fascist adjacent type of person. >> but i think people use those slurs in a in an attempt to humiliate you and silence you because people think, oh, god, if i call her a racist or a or whatever, she's going to be like , oh, god, i don't wanna be called that. no, i think they genuinely believe you fascist. >> if you voted for, i think when not everybody, but when people those

people some people use those words, i think they genuinely believe you are a fascist. believe that you are a fascist. i think perspective . i think we've lost perspective. >> about year >> we're talking about 20 year old who years ago when old lads who 83 years ago when and for this country. and fought for this country. well we the veterans well do we respect the veterans enough this country? enough in this country? >> leave you ponder that >> i'll leave you to ponder that . lots of support for lowering the of criminal the age of criminal responsibility in this country. you think that ten perhaps is too young? sorry. it's too it's not young enough, is what you're saying. you're a harsh bunch. five. i told you was suggested as well. goodness me . other as well. goodness me. other people saying actually rather than the £500 million going to tata steel, you would like that money actually into port money to actually go into port talbot support the local talbot and support the local economy directly is that economy there directly is that anidea? economy there directly is that an idea? what would you do, though, with all those peoples that would potentially lose their that is all for their jobs? but that is all for tonight you very tonight. paul, thank you very much. dawn , thank to much. and dawn, thank you to you, too . i was just about to you, too. i was just about to say, more importantly , thank you say, more importantly, thank you to you at home, you're all to you at home, but you're all important. we're all important together. listen, you together. anyway, listen, you have weekend. do have a fantastic weekend. do not go anywhere. anderson is up go anywhere. lee anderson is up next, and i will see you on

monday night. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. with the gb news forecast, it's going to stay warm in the south over the next 24 hours. it's going to stay cool in the north. but through the weekend, there's an increased thundery increased chance of thundery showers in places as the humidity rises. for the time being , a humidity rises. for the time being, a weather humidity rises. for the time being , a weather front humidity rises. for the time being, a weather front is humidity rises. for the time being , a weather front is stuck being, a weather front is stuck across central swathe of the uk that's been bringing wet weather all day. really across central and southern scotland. northern england , northern ireland, that england, northern ireland, that continues the night time to continues into the night time to the far north. we keep clear spells and a few showers. temperatures dipping in northern scotland, 3 to celsius in scotland, 3 to 6 celsius in places . but it's a warm night places. but it's a warm night across much of england and wales. teens in places . and wales. mid teens in places. and as night goes on, an as the night goes on, an increased chance of some of these thundery showers turning up across parts of wales in the south—west. these will tend to fade away during morning

fade away during the morning once then a fine day once again and then a fine day for much of the southern half of the uk outside chance here the uk and outside chance here and the odd thundery and there of the odd thundery showers popping up. but otherwise fine weather, otherwise a lot of fine weather, sunny spells and temperatures reaching 26 27 celsius reaching 26 or 27 celsius towards the south—east it's going to dry up as well across the central parts with the rain easing away, a clear start then on scotland , but a on sunday for scotland, but a chilly start with frost in places here, warmer elsewhere and through the day on sunday, we're going to see humid air drift north across the uk and with lowering pressure that will lead to the risk of thundery rain pushing north as well . rain pushing north as well. monday, further heavy downpours and thunderstorms and then it turns cooler in the south

news weather. >> i'm to lee anderson's real world friday night, 7 pm. and tonight we've got some brilliant guests. we've got the conservative mp for wimbledon, stephen . we've got barry stephen hammond. we've got barry gardiner. back the show. gardiner. he's back on the show. ex—mep belinda de lucie and the best double act in town. we've got comedy legend jim davidson and one of the radio's best loved voices, mike perry. but first, let's go to the . first, let's go to the. news >> well, our top story on gb news tonight is that the former nurse, lucy letby, has filed a bid to challenge her conviction at the court of appeal. the 33 year old was found guilty of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six more at the countess of chester hospital between 2015 and 2016. the most prolific child serial killer in

modern british history was sentenced