the new series of be discussing the new series of married. at first sight, which features a couple of transgender contestants . i'm asking if this contestants. i'm asking if this is unfair on the other people taking part and if the show makes a mockery of marriage . makes a mockery of marriage. emma, what's your initial take.7 i think even though it came out recently that he was informed that the contestant was transgender before they got married, a consent married, there's still a consent issue might have been issue because he might have been afraid being labelled afraid of being labelled transphobic if had chose to transphobic if he had chose to pull out at that point. and laura, view? laura, what's your view? >> that fact that we >> i think that the fact that we have reality about have a reality tv show about marriage speaks about marriage speaks volumes about what marriage actually means in today's society. and reality tv shows are profoundly unethical . shows are profoundly unethical. i can't wait to talk more about that sound. >> okay. more of that after this. here is the news with ray addison . addison. >> thank you, father. our top stories this hour, the actor and comedian russell brand has been accused of rape , sexual assaults accused of rape, sexual assaults and emotional abuse. >> according to a report in the times, the alleged incidents

against four women reportedly took place between 2006 and 2013. that was while he was a presenter on bbc radio two, channel 4 and a hollywood actor . the identities of the women who do not know each other has not been revealed by the paper in a video posted online last night, brand pre—emptively denied criminal allegations and insisted his relationships have always been consensual. >> amidst this litany of astonishing , rather baroque astonishing, rather baroque attacks are some very serious allegations that i absolutely refuse . but these allegations refuse. but these allegations pertain to the time when i was working in the mainstream, when i was in the newspapers all the time, when i was in the movies. and as i've written about extensively in my books, i was very, very promiscuous. now dunng very, very promiscuous. now during that time of promiscuity, the were the relationship that i had were absolutely consensual. absolutely always consensual. i was always transparent about that, then almost too transparent and being transparent and i'm being transparent and i'm being transparent it now as well i >> american xl bully dogs will

not be culled. that's despite the prime minister's promise to ban the breed by the end of the yeah ban the breed by the end of the year. the uk's top vet says an amnesty would be in place for those who already own the animals if they follow certain rules. approach was rules. a similar approach was taken in the 1990s when pit bulls were banned . well, bulls were banned. well, meanwhile, a man who was arrested in connection with a fatal dog attack in staffordshire has been released on conditional bail . ian price, on conditional bail. ian price, who was 52, died after he was attacked by two dogs believed to be xl bullies. police say a 30 year old man from the lichfield area has been interviewed a number of times and released pending further inquiries. number of times and released pending further inquiries . a pending further inquiries. a second teenage boy has been arrested on suspicion of murder after 14 year old nathaniel chaney was fatally stabbed in manchester. two boys, aged 13 and 14, are now in custody . and 14, are now in custody. police were called to the incident last night on tavistock square. in response, greater manchester police imposed a

section 60 order which temporarily gave them greater stop and search powers as police searching for a missing ex—british soldier have been informed by ukrainian authorities that they found a body. authorities that they found a body . 36 year authorities that they found a body. 36 year old daniel burke from south manchester was reported missing on the 16th of august. his family had not heard from him and believed that he travelled to ukraine. greater manchester police is working to carry out a formal identification to bring his remains back to the uk. identification to bring his remains back to the uk . this is remains back to the uk. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. back now to father calvin . last week we started the calvin. last week we started the show by talking about patient street and 19 year old girl with a degenerative illness who wanted to live her nhs doctors said she was actively dying and

therefore wanted to withhold treatment. >> she wanted to die fighting to live a very young, noble woman, to psychiatrists deemed her compos mentis , willing and able compos mentis, willing and able to decide for herself . if, to decide for herself. if, however, sps medical doctors decided she must be delusional if she did not follow their expert advice, they took her to court and the judge not only agreed with her doctors, but slammed a gagging order on patient street, which meant she could not talk about her condition publicly. she could not even identify herself. this state overreach meant that patient street could not appeal for crowdfunding to send her over to canada to join an experimental trial. it also meant she could not ask people to pray for her by name. now, i said on this show last week that i was willing to breach that gagging order be with the law. it is an immoral law and this young woman's right to life trumps divine law trumps it. god's divine law trumps it. god's divine law trumps any law man . and our trumps any law of man. and our law of the land should never attempt supersede innate god attempt to supersede innate god given rights under.

attempt to supersede innate god given rights under . fortunately, given rights under. fortunately, we did not get the opportunity to help patient street as we had hoped. if you have not already heard, i bring you the sad news that patient street died this week . so i want to dedicate this week. so i want to dedicate this monologue her memory. eternal monologue in her memory. eternal grant unto her, 0 lord and let light perpetual shine upon her. may she rest in peace . may she rest in peace. now changing pace a little. the channel 4 show married at first sight uk has been in the headunes sight uk has been in the headlines this week due to the decision to include a transgender contestant for the first time ever, the premise of the show is that couples get married after meeting their partner for the first time ever at the altar and controversy has already erupted over claims the show pretended the man who married the transgender contestant was only told this fact afterwards, when in fact he had been informed beforehand. perhaps more importantly, is this kind of stunt making

something of a mockery of marriage ? which brings me to marriage? which brings me to this week's duel . joining me this week's duel. joining me tonight to discuss this , tonight to discuss this, director of the common sense society , emma webb, and author society, emma webb, and author of bestselling book free your mind, laura dodsworth . laura mind, laura dodsworth. laura what does marriage mean ? what does marriage mean? >> it should mean a lifelong commitment. >> it's incredibly serious. it bnngs >> it's incredibly serious. it brings joy to the individuals who are married to families. it bnngs who are married to families. it brings stability to society. marriage is the bedrock of a good society. i don't care if i sound old fashioned and do you know what? i'm actually also divorced, which was a great sadness. i'm engaged to be married some people married again. and some people have oh, why do you want have said, oh, why do you want to married again? well, i to get married again? well, i believe think believe in marriage. i think it's really important. so there's something about this whole which doesn't sit whole series which doesn't sit right anyway. and right with me anyway. and i think it think that a sadness about it is that reality producers that the reality tv producers and broadcasters do not care and the broadcasters do not care what they do in order to get the ratings and to get the sponsors to and get the advertisers. now,

do you know a number of reality tv stars have sadly committed suicide in recent years? i mean, it's in the tens. it's in the tens. it's in the tens. it's in the tens . now, when you go on to tens. now, when you go on to a reality tv show, you're supposed to be screened by psychologists and taken care of. and you'll see yesterday, the psychologists on married at first sight came out and said no, hang on, the guy wasn't being duped. he knew that his bride transgender. that his bride is transgender. there's there. but what there's a lie there. but what kind of psychologists worth their would put man and their salt would put a man and a trans gender, a trans woman into that situation? i mean, if the man rejects her, everyone will say he's a transphobe. and the trans woman is going to get a mixture of support and backlash . so, you know, these are going they're going to be very vulnerable . well, and i think vulnerable. well, and i think that the whole premise of the show in that sense is profoundly unethical, as well as undermining what marriage is all about. >> yeah, i hadn't heard of the show until you. thank you for raising the topic, by the way, until you brought to my until you brought this to my attention. think reality tv is

attention. i think reality tv is the lowest denominator. the lowest common denominator. rubbish hooked on rubbish that we get hooked on and rotting our you and it's rotting our brains. you know, used say, don't know, grandma used to say, don't watch it rots your watch television. it rots your brain. is exact kind of brain. this is the exact kind of thing were talking about. thing they were talking about. emma marriage to emma what does marriage mean to you? well, i've always thought this awful for the very this show is awful for the very reason the underlying reason that the underlying assumption marriage assumption is that marriage is to so lightly that if to be taken so lightly that if this isn't really quite this match isn't really quite right, always get right, they can always just get divorced afterwards . divorced afterwards. >> agree with laura. >> i also agree with laura. i think that marriage is a lifelong commitment. i think i take the biblical view that when you get married, you become of one flesh. i think that marriage is sacrament that people is a sacrament and that people should enter into those should only enter into those vows and i think vows seriously. and so i think i've thought that this i've always thought that this show was wrong from the very start . i think shows the way start. i think it shows the way that society come that society has come to understand marriage something understand marriage as something that quite flippant, that is actually quite flippant, that is actually quite flippant, thatis that is actually quite flippant, that is just continuation of that is just a continuation of dating , that is just a continuation of dating, almost as if it's a kind of accessory to a person's life. and we've seen this with things like introduction like the introduction of no fault makes it fault divorce that makes it easier people to get easier for people to get divorced. i agree again with divorced. and i agree again with with laura that marriage is

with laura that the marriage is the of a society. and if the bedrock of a society. and if we have marriages, have the bedrock of a society. and if wweake marriages, have the bedrock of a society. and if wweak society. narriages, have the bedrock of a society. and if wweak society. and ages, have the bedrock of a society. and if wweak society. and agthink have the bedrock of a society. and if wweak society. and agthink it'sive a weak society. and i think it's as simple as that. but i do want to say that in relation to this, as i mentioned in the introduction in a moment ago, that even though this has now come as you know, the come out as being, you know, the show duped its audience, which is put a question mark above that anyway , whether it's right that anyway, whether it's right for to have done that for them to have done that because it implies is almost because it it implies is almost that it's almost like it's trying to send the message to its audience that that it's okay for people to get to a man and a woman to get married to each other without the man knowing that the that his bride is transgender, regardless of whether they informed him beforehand. you can easily imagine a situation where after having taken the first steps in the process for the show, he was informed that the bride was a transgender woman and then felt that he wasn't able to back out this is the important part. >> so we want to get to the meat and veg, which is the idea of can you consent to marrying

someone who is not, you know, you calvin , you can't. you know, calvin, you can't. >> get to that, >> but before we get to that, i do want having sex with somebody. i want to get i want to clarify that marriage is an indissoluble union between one to clarify that marriage is an indis and ole union between one to clarify that marriage is an indis and ole lwoman tween one to clarify that marriage is an indis and ole lwoman under one to clarify that marriage is an indis and ole lwoman under the eyes man and one woman under the eyes of god. >> want to get to that point >> i want to get to that point first before we go to trans first before we go to the trans bit, because you cannot consent to not to something that is not marriage you don't know who marriage if you don't know who the other person is, if you don't if that person is don't know if that person is a man a woman, it won't be man or a woman, it won't be married not. married of course not. >> i just to say they >> i mean, just to say they don't actually get legally married but in no, married in the show, but in no, but in a way that's i don't think so. but in a way that's also another another layer of deception. everything this deception. everything about this is deceptive. now, there was a woman called gail newland several years ago dated and several years ago who dated and had woman had sex with a woman and pretended was man. so she pretended she was a man. so she apparently made the woman apparently made the other woman wear used wear blindfolds and used a prosthetic stick. >> is not rape? she she >> how is that not rape? she she got custodial sentence. >> how is that not rape? she she got yourstodial sentence. >> how is that not rape? she she got you cannot sentence. >> how is that not rape? she she gotyou cannot pretend e. >> how is that not rape? she she gotyou cannot pretend to be >> you cannot pretend to be someone that you're not. it's fraudulent. so while they're now saying but it wasn't the original behind the show, original pr behind the show, they're oh, the they're now saying, oh, the groom forewarned. it's

groom was was forewarned. it's encouraging. this idea of deception. people be deception. and people need to be really careful that really careful about that because it's fraudulent. you have about who have to be clear about who you're basic you're dating. it's basic honesty. the that you honesty. and the idea that you can marriage, even this can enter a marriage, even this kind reality tv, fake kind of reality tv, fake marriage without knowing someone's sex is really also someone's sex is really i also find interesting that lot find it interesting that a lot of describe of people who would describe themselves as progressive talk a lot culture but don't lot about rape culture but don't recognise channel for recognise that channel for promoting message through promoting this message through the show by duping people. >> and if this hadn't come out later, they wouldn't probably never anything about later, they wouldn't probably ne'never anything about later, they wouldn't probably ne'never explainedything about later, they wouldn't probably ne'never explained to ing about later, they wouldn't probably ne'never explained to the about it, never explained to the audience that he had in fact been informed in advance that they a song and dance about they make a song and dance about rape culture, but they don't recognise that there's a very obvious issue of consent here. i mean, we've just heard this news about russell brand that's also going to be on channel 4 this evening. so it's a mystery to me that whoever makes the editorial decisions doesn't seem to see that kind of is such that this kind of thing is such a problem. but it's all about ratings. >> you think about the >> and if you think about the reality tv stars have sadly reality tv stars who have sadly taken their lives after the trauma of not being prepared for

being spotlight, i mean, being in the spotlight, i mean, you say suicide one you can't say suicide is one single cause it's multifactorial. know multifactorial. and yet we know there's a problem. we're talking about death by ratings. they really care. people really don't care. the people taking show are taking part in the show are exploited. everybody watching is being , too. and the being exploited, too. and the best to this is simply best way to beat this is simply don't watch no, i think there's a bad vibe over that channel, actually. >> you know, the last time i got stitched up on tv, it was on that channel. and in fact, after that, the last time i did a documentary, they clipped my answers from different questions and onto alternative and put them onto alternative questions look like i questions to make it look like i was saying something i wasn't that whole channel is a scam, which why i'm taking which is why i'm taking everything pinch everything they say with a pinch of around this russell of salt around this russell brand i think of salt around this russell bra so i think of salt around this russell bra so convenient i think of salt around this russell bra so convenient that, i think of salt around this russell bra so convenient that, you hink it's so convenient that, you know, guy has 6 million know, the guy has 6 million viewers his channel, which is viewers on his channel, which is more than channel 4, and the times together. it's really, times put together. it's really, really convenient that the establishment this establishment wants to take this man i think innocent man down. so i think innocent until guilty is very, until proven guilty is very, very in case. very important in this case. >> well, it should always be that case. >> i mean, haven't read the >> i mean, i haven't read the article. the article. i haven't seen the programme, however programme, obviously. however over aren't any charges is

over there aren't any charges is and about old and we're talking about old cases. it seems unfair cases. it's it seems so unfair to blacken somebody's name without charges. without trial by media charges. it's trial mob, trial by it's trial by mob, trial by media. yeah. >> i'd like to return >> i'd just like to return quickly to laura's about quickly to laura's point about the shows in the about reality shows in general. these kinds of dating shows. i don't i don't know if this is actually on channel one. sorry, channel 4, but there is a show i think it's called naked attraction, where they they gradually reveal a person from the bottom up . and through that the bottom up. and through that process, they eliminate people. and then finally they meet each other naked. at the end of the show . and it's on that basis show. and it's on that basis that they decide whether or not they'll really is they'll date. and it really is it's almost a i don't know whether you could describe it as being almost blasphemous in relation to marriage and relationships. there's something thatis relationships. there's something that is really subversive that is really deeply subversive about on people's about this focusing on people's physical appearance and treating marriage as if as if it isn't it a vow , a very serious commitment a vow, a very serious commitment . and as is just something that you flippantly enter into and

you flippantly enter into and you can get divorced later if you can get divorced later if you don't like the person . you don't like the person. >> acas dewbs& co. i had a channel 4 documentary called 100 vaginas. yes it's involved some nudity, but it was a very, you know, artistic documentary. it had a lot of integrity. all of the women who took part were treated with absolute care. but i've got to say, making it was a real balancing act because without naming any specific names or specific circumstances , as there were times that i thought , well, , as there were times that i thought, well, i cried in the loo or i thought it was going to be sick to make sure that the programme stayed full of that integrity care that i always integrity and care that i always envisaged it. soon as you envisaged for it. as soon as you are pitched this battle for are pitched in this battle for ratings , it's quite hard to keep ratings, it's quite hard to keep the moral high ground and look after people . after people. >> i don't just think it's about ratings. >> i think it's editorial izing our society. i think they want to it's cultural subversion. they want to change the way we see family, the way we see marriage, way we see of marriage, the way we see all of these things. >> but of course, the best, the best to respond to this is best way to respond to this is by getting married.

>> was actually thinking this >> i was actually thinking this on train on the here, on the train on the way here, unrelated debate. i just unrelated to this debate. i just noficed unrelated to this debate. i just noticed were of noticed there were a lot of young couples on the train who were visibly and were very visibly engaged. and i just thought that that you know, that to this that is the solution to this problem you just have to problem is that you just have to take these things seriously and refuse dragged into these refuse to be dragged into these this of fakery this sort of fakery editorialising this. i'm not going far as to say going to go so far as to say it's an attempt at social engineering. maybe you would, but is. it's they but i think it is. it's they they are they are putting to us a very specific culture that they think that we should adopt and i think that the best way to respond is by saying, no, we're and i think that the best way to resportois by saying, no, we're and i think that the best way to resporto do by saying, no, we're and i think that the best way to resporto do it.;aying, no, we're and i think that the best way to resporto do it.;ayinold o, we're going to do it. the old fashioned way. >> very, sound. you >> very, very sound. thank you very much. plenty more to come this on my common sense this evening on my common sense crusade. be asking crusade. next, we'll be asking why

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has returned to the news agenda i >> christians m >> christians in the holy land say they're under attack as israeli palestinian violence soars in the region amid claims israel's right wing government has fostered a culture of impunity . has fostered a culture of impunity. the has fostered a culture of impunity . the reverend aaron amy impunity. the reverend aaron amy is the deacon of christ church in jerusalem's old city and a representative of the international christian embassy. he joins me now. international christian embassy. he joins me now . reverend aaron, he joins me now. reverend aaron, thank you so much for joining me. it's good to see you again. could you just start off by giving us a rundown of what's actually happening there? actually happening out there? >> shalom from jerusalem >> well, shalom from jerusalem and happy jewish new year. great to see you again . the middle to see you again. the middle east has never been a stranger to unfortunately , to religious to unfortunately, to religious intolerance or violence. it's also been to home blessings and faith and hope. but unfortunately, we've seen an upswing in in in violence against minority groups. and one of those happens to have been

christians, particularly protestant christians. and because of a of a view that we might be in a right wing government that doesn't seem to be a sense of defence where the government is not going to enforce force the police to go and actually prosecute these people and so these minority groups find themselves actually quite powerless . they're very quite powerless. they're very small in number. the protestant community is less than probably 6000in israel. so tiny little group. but we've had cemeteries vandalised and smashed gatherings have been . they've gatherings have been. they've they've been well , let's take they've been well, let's take a look. violent activity . look. violent activity. >> we've got some clips we can take a look of what's been going on. actually, if we can go to that now, that'd be great. so we can clearly see there's a christian woman here being houndedin christian woman here being hounded in in israel by a group of jews . and these children end

of jews. and these children end up spitting at her, throwing water bottles at her and kicking her. you you you're supposed this is unfortunately , this this this is unfortunately, this this comes from bad shepherds . comes from bad shepherds. >> their their leadership should be teaching them the actual institutes of the torah that they're actually supposed to be kind and generous and a light to the nations. and this certainly isn't isn't that way , isn't isn't that way, unfortunately . unfortunately. >> but what worries me is the increasing amount of these clips that i'm seeing popping up on social media at the moment. we've another of we've got another couple of short here. i want i just short clips here. i want i just want to show our audience because, you know, as as as it goes on. here we go. thank you. because, you know, as as as it goeyou'reiere we go. thank you. because, you know, as as as it goeyou're goinga go. thank you. because, you know, as as as it goeyou're going to 0. thank you. because, you know, as as as it goeyou're going to go thank you. because, you know, as as as it goeyou're going to go toink you. because, you know, as as as it goeyou're going to go to jaillou. >> you're going to go to jail because police 99% because the police here, 99% conviction because the police here, 99% coniiction because the police here, 99% con i iction to because the police here, 99% coniiction to hear because the police here, 99% con i iction to hear what because the police here, 99% coniiction to hear what this >> i want to hear what this quy's >> i want to hear what this guy's got to say. >> don't do anything illegal. you cannot take us to jail if you are not involved. please go. shalom, friend. you. shalom, my friend. we bless you. >> country, my. >> my country, my. >> my country, my. >> come to united states, >> you come to united states, you whatever you want to you can say whatever you want to say . that is a free world. yes. say. that is a free world. yes. >> you're not in the united states. you're in israel. i understand. you can say whatever you say yes. you

can. >> it's one no for any religion. >> it's one no for any religion. >> but it's really big and it's inappropriate for this place. okay. that's a jewish place. you need to respect the place. can you please put it inside so i'm not sure how much volume we had there those clips. there in those two clips. >> but the first clip, the jewish fellow tells the christian right christian he should by right kill and the second clip kill him. and in the second clip that seeing on screen at that we're seeing on screen at the moment, we're seeing a cleric being told to remove his cross because offensive cross because it's an offensive symbol. this to is symbol. now, this this to me is absolutely feel absolutely shocking. do you feel like freedom of worship like you have freedom of worship over at the moment? over there at the moment? >> we do have freedom of worship. is true. the some worship. this is true. the some of the incidences that are being described here are the ones that are out in public, although, no, there have been some private gatherings, particularly against some some messianic groups where they're private gatherings have been infiltrated and attacked . been infiltrated and attacked. and this has caused some consternation . consternation. >> okay. well, aaron, i want to bnng >> okay. well, aaron, i want to bring my duellist in because i

know i'm going to want to ask you a question on this. >> hi, aaron. i'm so i this is really hard for me because i'm watching these videos. i find this very sad. i spent a lot of time in israel, as you know, calvin, i actually almost converted orthodoxjudaism converted to orthodox judaism myself. a lot of myself. so i spent a lot of time with people the orthodox with people from the orthodox community find it very sad community and i find it very sad to these scenes. i've seen to see these scenes. i've seen videos , um, of people sitting videos of, um, of people sitting jewish people sitting in a cemetery telling christian cemetery, telling people to the christians there to leave red stories about the reduction in numbers of, of christians in the old city to 2000 people. the local authority limiting the number of christians who can go in to the church of the holy sepulchre . is this something sepulchre. is this something that the israeli authorities are taking seriously? because i know a few years ago the israeli authorities said that they sort of dismissed it, dismissed the

concerns that were being raised by christians worldwide over these sorts of incidents . these sorts of incidents. >> well, there's obviously no official government policy sanctioning this. this is all illegal. these are groups that are individual, individualistic . they're particularly perhaps extremes of an orthodox judaism. it's not it's not common amongst all jewish people, of course. absolutely not. i've lived here for 25 years. i study with with rabbis on a weekly basis. we have fantastic relationships . have fantastic relationships. the what's going on now, i think is a some some very poor shepherds which have taught some inappropriate things . and inappropriate things. and there's no defence. >> it's okay. i want to bring laura dodsworth in as well. >> if you've got a question for aaron. >> yes, i just i just want to say that although the bill to halt the punishment part of the bill to punish christians who proselytise has been halted , and

proselytise has been halted, and is it in fact that the demand for that , the demand for that for that, the demand for that kind of law is so strong on the ground that it's almost like it's operating de facto ? it's operating de facto? >> yes, i think you might be right . the bill to actually make right. the bill to actually make proselytisation illegal is something that comes up very regularly. and it's almost always defeated by the government and by the judiciary because israel is a democracy and you do actually have freedom of speech . and this is actually of speech. and this is actually quite a tolerant society . it's quite a tolerant society. it's just that we've seen something very recently which is causing people to get a little bit concerned. it's physical attacks andifs concerned. it's physical attacks and it's also occurring in through the denial of certain visas with certain communities. >> i think something you said about the bad shepherds was is really pertinent in that first clip that calvin showed. it was very distressing to see children

being so unkind to women on the streets. but they were surrounded by adults who did nothing. so those were obviously men in authority . we yes, you're men in authority. we yes, you're absolutely right . absolutely right. >> and this is what i think is being reflected. it's almost like ezekiel 34 being played out again , it's poor shepherds who again, it's poor shepherds who instead of feeding the sheep, of caring for the poor and the stranger, which the torah actually tells us to do, it's actually tells us to do, it's actually the it's the reverse where we're viewed as pagans , as where we're viewed as pagans, as idol worshippers . and then they idol worshippers. and then they see the more violent parts of the bible that quite ancient . the bible that quite ancient. but bringing them to today's today's world. >> as someone who believes in building judeo—christian relations and someone who's been a massive supporter of the nafion a massive supporter of the nation of israel, it's difficult to see this kind thing. i'd to see this kind of thing. i'd like end with a question from like to end with a question from emma webb. >> i just wanted ask you on

>> i just wanted to ask you on on as laura raised there, the bad shepherds i've seen reports that this tends to be young yeshiva students in your experience, does it tend to be those aged around 15 to 16 who might be? and i would say from my experience of the orthodox jewish community, this is very much an exception. under usually being encouraged . to want to being encouraged. to want to sort of drive christians out of the holy land, perhaps . the holy land, perhaps. >> i think you're right. it's definitely immaturity because the mature rabbis, the ones who are older , mature, who have are older, mature, who have probably had christian friends for quite some time and don't agree with this at all, and they certainly would not be teaching their young and their flock to do this could be young, do this. this could be young, immature and actually probably poorly trained yeshiva students, in my opinion. i think israel needs friends. in my opinion. i think israel needs friends . and when you hurt needs friends. and when you hurt your friends , then then your friends, then then sometimes they stop becoming your friends. and in a world

that's where you're surrounded by people who are not your friends. you need all the friends. you need all the friends you can get. so this is, i think, short sightedness, sage words of wisdom there. >> thank you very much. that was the aaron amy from the the reverend aaron amy from the international christian embassy in for your in jerusalem. thank you for your time today. plenty more to come this on my sense this evening on my common sense crusade. next, sohrab crusade. next, author sohrab ahmari will be joining us to discuss new book, tyranny discuss his new book, tyranny inc. that, the inc. before that, here's the weather . weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar the proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey who of your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office ? provided by the met office? there's the increasing threats of heavy and thundery of some heavy and thundery showers as into the showers as we move into the second half the weekend for second half of the weekend for saturday evening, though generally on generally lighter showers on the cards southwest england . cards for southwest england. wales towards wales generally pushing towards northern ireland into the early hours morning. the hours of sunday morning. the cloud building across the seven two of the so there two thirds of the uk. so there will be a relatively mild night

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news radio. >> welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, the reverend calvin robinson . have reverend calvin robinson. have the corporate giants of america left ordinary citizens isolated and powerless? that is the premise of upcoming book tyranny inc, which discusses how political leaders in the states gave big businesses more freedom in the expectation that it would improve the economy and society . but the book argues that the opposite has occurred and that the situation has deterior ated to the point where it calls private tyranny is taking away people's liberties . tyranny inc people's liberties. tyranny inc is a book by sohrab ahmari which he will be joining us very, very shortly. but before he does, i

just want to talk to my dualist momentarily. do you think i know what laura is going to say? so i'll start with you, emma. do you think big business is becoming too big? >> think we have >> i think that we have a problem with large corporates. s including tech companies having too much control, particularly over what you could call the intellectual supply chain. i think that is a real think that that is a real concern. i think that corporate monopolies is always a problem. um, i haven't read sohrab's book, so i don't know to what degree i agree with them. i know that i agree with sohrab on a lot of things that he's written in the past. um, but it depends. it depends very much on exactly what you mean by that. but i do think that, that corporates having much power, having far too much power, of course , is a problem. okay. course, is a problem. okay. >> on the fence. laura >> emma is on the fence. laura big business is too big, isn't it? >> absolutely . i don't i want to >> absolutely. i don't i want to know what he thinks the solution is. what's the solution? i think that the problem is in this country that conservatives don't really know what stand for. really know what they stand for. is market capitalism? is it free market capitalism? um. it. is it. is it um. is it. is it. is it protectionism? i don't really

know what the solution to this is, but it's as though big business is almost like mini countries . as you know, the countries. as you know, the number of employees that have the global reach, they have through their audiences, especially the big tech companies. they're almost operating de facto operating like de facto government. well, they are. >> well, let's see what sohrab thinks this, tyranny thinks of this, because tyranny inc is written by the author and columnist ahmari. inc is written by the author and col|and st ahmari. inc is written by the author and col|and i'm ahmari. inc is written by the author and col|and i'm delighted|ari. inc is written by the author and col|and i'm delighted toi. inc is written by the author and col|and i'm delighted to say he >> and i'm delighted to say he joins me now from new york. good evening. i'm you could make evening. i'm glad you could make it. us, first all, what it. tell us, first of all, what is big business and why is it too big ? too big? >> well, thank you for having me. big business is big and has been since the 19th century on both sides of the atlantic because concentration makes sense in an industrial age , you sense in an industrial age, you know, you cannot have as many tire manufacturers as you do small time rest . erentz small time rest. erentz technology . you know, the big technology. you know, the big technology. you know, the big tech was mentioned large network industries cannot be done by

small business. so in a way, big business either markets that are dominated by one single important seller or just a handful, which we call oligopoly, is sort of inevitable. it's the result of industrialisation. so it's been something that's been with us since the 19th century. and in in many ways, big business is rational because it's only big business that can afford aid. you know, the research and development isn't that innovation often requires its own, you know , it is very good own, you know, it is very good for consumers in many cases because it's actually rational , because it's actually rational, bnngs because it's actually rational, brings prices down. the so the problem is that when there's no one on the other side of that kind of concentration of power to push back against it, you know, the way that in the middle of the 20th century, social democrats, christian democrats , democrats, christian democrats, new dealers in the united states solve this problem was not necessarily by smashing every

big business into tiny bits, because that's irrational, but by raising up the power of consumers and workers on the other side, most notably through labour unions, but also through consumer co—ops, you know, and so on, all these ways that allowed people who are on the other side of big business to pool their power. so they have greater bargaining power and we've lost that over the past two generations as especially in britain and the united states , britain and the united states, which went furthest with the kind of neoliberal or libertarian ideology of figures like ronald reagan and margaret thatcher, they were responding to real crises at the time. but i argue that they went too far and we've lost too much of the sort of mid—century i'm talking about the mid—twentieth century social compact that involved, you know, labour unions, workers, consumers , other kind workers, consumers, other kind of socially weaker people , all of socially weaker people, all having a greater say in how big business operates. >> yeah, i mean, you could argue that thatcher and reagan had the right solution for the time, but conservatives since then have

kind of adopted as kind of adopted that model as the default approach. >> and the free market has become ideology itself, become an ideology in itself, hasn't than a means hasn't it, rather than a means to an end. but i really want to get to the crux of the matter here. big business? are here. what is big business? are we talking here about? you know, we talking here about? you know, we tech. are we we mentioned big tech. are we talking facebook talking about facebook and twitter having much twitter having too much authority talking authority or are we talking about the above that? are about the level above that? are we vanguard we talking about vanguard and blackrock corporations blackrock and these corporations that literally that are invested in literally every corporation every single major corporation around and have gone around the world and have gone around the world and have gone around democracy in around the idea of democracy in that they have all the authority, they have all the power, and they unelected . power, and they unelected. >> well, it's sort of all of the above, right? >> so big tech controls , not >> so big tech controls, not just the kind of ad markets, digital ad markets, but also what we get to say and think increasingly and we've seen that over the past few years with their enormous powers of censorship, sometimes deployed in collusion with governments and sometimes quite on their own . you did mention kind of finance , right? the financial

finance, right? the financial industry has taken on since the neoliberal era , since the 1980s, neoliberal era, since the 1980s, and after , has taken on a really and after, has taken on a really unusual role in the economy. again this is on both sides of the atlantic. we're talking private equity asset managers and hedge funds. it used to be that these banks essentially , if that these banks essentially, if they were in finance, their role was to support people in the real economy . so i have a real economy. so i have a product, i have a i'm a company and i have a profitable product. i think it's going to be profitable. i go to the bank, i borrow money and they help me develop it and then bring it to a that was a normal role. a market that was a normal role. but what again, over the but what we have again, over the past two generations is, is wall street these kind of finance street and these kind of finance firms increasingly being in the driver's seat of the economy . driver's seat of the economy. and their mentality is to not grow enterprises for the long term. they don't look out for the well—being of workers and consumers . it's all a kind of consumers. it's all a kind of short term profit seeking. and so in order to do that, they often asset strip businesses rather than rather than invest

in businesses that they take oven in businesses that they take over, they sort of just swallow their assets and, you know, they pocket all the gains . and while pocket all the gains. and while workers and communities who lose jobs and factories end up holding the bag . holding the bag. >> so i've been guilty of this myself in the past of supporting an unregulated, open free market with the idea that it would the market will solve the problems. i don't think that's as true as i don't think that's as true as i did think it was at the time, but i'm still cautious about the word regulation because i understand that big business is finds it much easier to work around regulation than small business does. so is part of the answer regulation? and is the other part of the answer getting conservatives to rediscover what it be conservative it means to be conservative again away from again and move away from neoliberalism in regulation is part of the answer. >> and in a way, it's inevitable, you know, especially not so much in britain, but here in the united states. you still have people on the right are have people on the right who are really, really doctrinaire libertarians they libertarians. and they say things we abolish things like, we should abolish the or the the administrative state or the

regulatory state. well, i'm sorry, but like , i invite those sorry, but like, i invite those people to take the first flights after we get rid of the, you know, government agency that oversees flights . it's called oversees flights. it's called the federal aviation administration on or to eat the first can of canned food once we've abolished, you know, the food drug administration. food and drug administration. and complex economy , these and so complex economy, these require complex regulation because lawmakers, whether it's parliament in britain or congress in the united states, cannot make laws detailed and granular enough to deal with the complexities of a complex, you know, society and economy. so regulation is a part of it. you know, so , for example, people know, so, for example, people wonder why is it that we're constantly facing cancelled flights and delays? it didn't used to be every day you take a flight, it seems like it got worse than the last time. well, it's because airlines , you know, it's because airlines, you know, certainly in the united states used to be regulated industry. used to be a regulated industry. you had all sorts of mechanisms that kept everything stable and looked out for the consumer. that's got been gotten rid of. and so consumers are worse off.

so regulation is part of it. the bigger part of it is you're right that conservatives have to recognise is that people in the 19th century mean people, figures like disraeli understood this, that, you know, okay, yeah, the market is a good thing. it's a tool, but it's not the be all end all. and we have to have a social vision of what is what is the good society that we seek after. and then, okay, yeah, markets can play role. yeah, markets can play a role. they often efficiently they can often efficiently allocate services and allocate goods, services and caphal allocate goods, services and capital, and that's all fine. but there can be but sometimes there can be market . sometimes a market failure. sometimes a certain can be cornered certain market can be cornered in an unjust way to the detriment of competitors and to the detriment of consumers and workers . and there we would workers. and there we would intervene . and so i'm not intervene. and so i'm not calling for socialism. certainly i'm not a socialist. i'm you know, i consider myself a kind of conservative social democrat , but a kind of more balanced view, a mixed view of the economy where you're willing to use the state prudently when it's required . and at the same it's required. and at the same time, you know, you have private

enterprise because we you know, there's a reason why, you know, there's a reason why, you know, the soviet union didn't work out. >> yeah , it sounds to me like >> yeah, it sounds to me like good old fashioned, pragmatic conservatism and moving away from of from the ideology of conservativism fall conservativism that we fall fallen the 21st century. fallen into in the 21st century. so thank you very much for that. and i hope people pick up your book inc, that is book tyranny inc, that is columnist author, sohrab columnist and author, sohrab ahmari. very much ahmari. thank you very much for joining today. thank you. joining us today. thank you. also dual lists. this week also to my dual lists. this week we had emma webb and laura dodsworth . before we take a dodsworth. before we take a final break, let's have a look at what you guys have had to say about today's topics. lucrezia says as married at first sight should never have been commissioned anyway. rubbish show rubbish idea, but this new series sounds like a desperate cw series sounds like a desperate cry for attention. isn't that always what happens with these reality tv shows ? they start off reality tv shows? they start off with something and they have to get more extreme in get more and more extreme in order keep views, and order to keep getting views, and it's ridiculous, mark says. it's just ridiculous, mark says. it's wrong, but it does sound entertaining. mark you're part

of problem, and on of the problem, mate. and on so—called christopher christophobia charlie christophobia in israel, charlie says netanyahu's government is emboldening people to do this . emboldening people to do this. they feel protected. the political atmosphere seemingly justifies or at least tolerates these actions against christians. we do need to see someone clamping down on it, that's for sure. charlie meanwhile, andre is enjoying my guests tonight . laura and emma guests tonight. laura and emma on the same show . what a treat on the same show. what a treat for ears and the eyes. for the ears and the eyes. they're always can people please just comment on my guests on how good they are and how well how well they articulate their arguments? you don't have to always speak about how they look on me to you anyway , thank you on me to you anyway, thank you to all of your comments this evening. do appreciate it. please keep them coming in. coming up in the final part of my common sense crusade this week, speaking to week, we'll be speaking to dr. gavin situation gavin ashenden on the situation in where a prominent in the us where a prominent bishop refusing resign bishop is refusing to resign after pope

for welcome back. an american bishop investigated by the vatican following his criticism of pope francis has vowed to remain in office. bishop joseph strickland of texas is championing by many for his staunch defence of the unborn marriage and the traditional latin mass. an ad, of course, catholic orthodoxy. but he has also been critical of the leadership of pope francis, whom he said in a tweet in may was undermining the deposit of faith, adding that catholics should follow jesus . should follow jesus. controversial to discuss this, i'm joined by dr. gavin ashenden . should it be controversial to say follow jesus as a catholic bishop ? if bishop? if >> well, it's always been controversial to say follow jesus . and sometimes it's more jesus. and sometimes it's more controversial than others. this looks like it's one of those times. so it shouldn't be, but it is . it is. >> dr. gavin ashenden, what is going on over there in rome? we've got it's not just bishop

strickland that's being attacked and of course, we don't know what's going to happen because he with yet. he hasn't met with the pope yet. so be asked to resign. he so he may be asked to resign. he may not be, but it seems to me that the pope is stacking the deck and he's just pushed a load of into the house of liberals into the house of cardinals, essentially cardinals, which essentially means time there's means that the next time there's an election the pope, it an election for the pope, it could potentially another could potentially be another francis . francis. >> that's one way of >> well, that's one way of looking it. but i think looking at it. but i think probably want to put in probably we want to put it in a in a broader, more helpful context. is that the context. and that is that in the middle last century, the middle of the last century, the catholic church reach catholic church tried to reach out contemporary culture and out to contemporary culture and to build a bridge between the great, profound tradition that had produced saints and miracles and converted most of the world. and the culture. but it turns out it made a mistake. it didn't realise how decadent the culture that it was trying to reach out towards was going to become. now, a number of people at the top of the catholic church in their 70s and 80s were really strongly invested in that and they haven't yet noticed it was a so one the things a mistake. so one of the things that's going to happen is

they're die soon and a they're going to die soon and a new generation rather more new generation of rather more a rather wiser and one might almost more catholic people almost say more catholic people will place. the will take their place. but the catholic experiencing catholic church is experiencing what church every what what every church and every institution this great institution is as this great clash culture. and i think clash of culture. and i think one of the things that will happenis one of the things that will happen is that those people responsible electing new responsible for electing a new p0pe responsible for electing a new pope will see that the mess of the last few years is just a route we want to go down. route we don't want to go down. and they'll they'll elect somebody who'll take back in somebody who'll take us back in the direction. the right direction. >> that's there's >> that's if there's time. i know about this know you talk about this youngen know you talk about this younger, generation and younger, wiser generation and i assume you're talking about the traditionalists who are embracing the traditional latin mass . for example, a mass that mass. for example, a mass that shows reverence of that's shows the reverence of that's important remind people of important to remind people of the presence, something the real presence, something that novus ordo doesn't that the novus ordo doesn't always if it's always do, but can do if it's done well. but the problem here is that the bishop of rome is suppressing all of this. will suppressing all of this. so will there any traditionalists there be any traditionalists left out? >> oh, yes, course there >> oh, yes, of course there will. catholic church will. the catholic church has survived than this. survived much worse than this. i remember a story of an old lady in my parish when i was an anglican vicar who converted

after the bbc put a show on about who were about the borgias, who were immensely immoral, lascivious people and she said that if a church can survive that kind of decadence and still produce someone like, teresa of someone like, say, teresa of calcutta , then there must be calcutta, then there must be a god and he must be he must have his hand on church. same his hand on the church. the same thing true today. there is a thing is true today. there is a god.he thing is true today. there is a god. he has his hand on the church. we'll see this crisis through another through as we've seen another others one of the others do. and one of the reasons became a catholic was reasons i became a catholic was my way in which my confidence, the way in which the church has the catholic church has has weathered storms. it'll weathered all the storms. it'll weathered all the storms. it'll weather this too, one, with god's help. i hope you're right, because it needs to. >> because all the other denominations apart denominations are falling apart at going down the at the moment and going down the path of wokeness. however, we're not the waters yet with not out of the waters yet with the course. the catholic church, of course. got of synod coming got this synod of synod coming up pope said he up and the pope has said he wants secrecy around it. and if journalists want report on journalists want to report on it, have to report on it, they'll have to report on the information them the information given them directly vatican. it directly from the vatican. it seems very to me. seems very, very dodgy to me. >> is. of course, >> well, it is. and of course, we to decide whether we're we have to decide whether we're talking spiritually or theologically . so theologically or politically. so you're politically and you're talking politically and that's sensible political

that's a sensible political analysis . that's a sensible political analysis. but but the thing is, when the people on the wrong side of the moral line act badly , it falls out badly for them. they've been presenting this as a as a method of including people on the woke side of the line saying they wanted accompaniment and openly and everything else, and then they immediately start censoring people like bishop strickland and making the whole thing secret and acting a way secret and acting in a way that's completely at odds with what they said. original what they said. their original intentions were. people won't intentions were. so people won't believe and they'll see believe them and they'll see what outcome is. and i think what the outcome is. and i think human beings have got very good antennae and moral radar. they will they will decide this present regime is not to be trusted, we'll a new trusted, and we'll get a new regime . regime. >> well, hope it happens in >> well, i hope it happens in time because, of course, opus dei talking about having to dei are talking about having to restructure the are restructure and the fssp are worried laicisation and worried about laicisation and being potentially disbanded . so being potentially disbanded. so is to save these is there time to save these organisations well ? organisations as well? >> the bible makes a distinction between chronos and kairos , our between chronos and kairos, our time and god's time in our time.

i think things look tricky. i agree and people are quite worried, but i think i think in god's time, one of the ways in which we express our belief in god is that he'll work things out in his way. and sometimes he uses he uses human frailty and failure in order to make things even clearer. and i think that's what's happening at the moment. we've got a lot of human frailty and failure and things were made all the more clear it. all the more clear through it. >> gavin ashenden, thank you >> dr. gavin ashenden, thank you as ever for offering some wisdom and some hope your message. and some hope in your message. and that the catholic and i do pray that the catholic church cardinal sarah as church elects cardinal sarah as your next bishop of rome. thank your next bishop of rome. thank you now, each week the you again. now, each week on the show, end with our show, we like to end with our closing tonight, closing prayer. and tonight, jack from the lvs ascot school will read the collect for the 15th sunday after trinity . keep 15th sunday after trinity. keep we beseech thee, o lord, thy church with thy perpetual mercy i >> -- >> and because the frailty of man without thee cannot but fall

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