in >> i find found myself in support in agreement with the union leader of the gmb . union leader of the gmb. >> why pensioners demanding triple lock pension payouts are immoral. >> banning excel bullies is just racism for donkeys. >> it's 8 pm. and this is the saturday five of . saturday five of. well come to the saturday five. well come to the saturday five. we may be out of control and dangerous , but no one is dangerous, but no one is muzzling us here. so you can expect your usual hour of forthright debate. i'm here with . i'll be emily and benjamin, as usual. and tonight we'll be discussing shocking news that has shaken the world of comedy to its foundations. yes that's right. leo kearse is back on the saturday five. >> now, the premise of the show is simple. each of us gets around 60s to outline our argument about any chosen topic. then we all pile in and it falls

apart faster than labour's plan to tackle the small boats. and of course, we want to know your views as well. please do get in touch by emailing gbviews@gbnews.uk . um, but gbviews@gbnews.uk. um, but before we start rubbishing benjamin, openly debating benjamin, i mean openly debating the big issues of the day , it is the big issues of the day, it is your saturday night news with ray addison . ray addison. >> thank you and good evening . >> thank you and good evening. our top story, the actor and comedian russell brand has been accused of rape , sexual assaults accused of rape, sexual assaults and emotional . abuse. according and emotional. abuse. according to a report in the times, the alleged incidents against four women reportedly took place between 2006 and 2013. that was while he was a presenter on bbc radio two, channel 4 and a hollywood actor. the identity of the women who do not know each other have not been revealed by the paper in a video posted onune the paper in a video posted online last night, brand pre—emptively denied criminal allegations and insisted his relationships have always been consensual . consensual. >> amidst this litany of

astonishing, rather baroque attacks are some very serious allegations that i absolute refute these allegations pertain to the time when i was working in the mainstream, when i was in the newspapers all the time, when i was in the movies. and as i've about extensively i've written about extensively in my books, i was very, very promiscuous. now, during that time the time of promiscuity, the relationships were relationships i had were absolute, consensual. absolute, always consensual. i was always transparent about that. almost too that. then almost too transparent. i'm being transparent. and i'm being transparent. and i'm being transparent about it now as well as american xl, bully dogs will not be culled. >> that's despite the prime minister's promise to ban the breed by the end of this year. the uk's top vet says an amnesty would be in place for those who already own the animals if they follow certain rules. a similar approach was taken in the 1990s when pit bulls were banned and well meanwhile , a man who was well meanwhile, a man who was arrested in connection with a fatal dog attack in staffordshire has been released on conditional bail . ian price, on conditional bail. ian price, who was 52, died after he was

attacked by two dogs believed to be xl bullies. police say a 30 year old man from the lichfield area has been interviewed and has been released pending further enquires as a second teenage boy has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a 14 year old nathaniel shani was fatally stabbed in manchester. two boys, aged 13 and 14, are now in custody . police were now in custody. police were called to the incident last night on tavistock square . in night on tavistock square. in response, greater manchester police imposed a section 60 order which temporarily gave them greater stop and search powers and police searching for a missing ex—british soldier have been informed by ukrainian authorities that they have found authorities that they have found a body. 36 year old daniel burke from south manchester was reported missing on the 16th of august. his family had not heard from him and believed that he'd travelled to ukraine. a foreign office spokesperson say they are supporting the family. they this is gb news across the uk on tv,

in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now let's get back to the . saturday five. get back to the. saturday five. >> thanks , ray. it's saturday >> thanks, ray. it's saturday night. you are with the saturday five. i'm emily carver and you need to forget about the rugby world cup and scrum down with us for hour as we debate all the for an hour as we debate all the week's big talking points. so let's crack on now. we're going to kick off with grime time and not having discussed it much in the past , not having discussed it much in the past, darren thought our wonderful viewers might like to get his take on migration. off you go, darren. >> yes, that's right. ladies and gents, brace yourselves, sir. keir a fence sitter. starmer has finally made a move. he's dismounted his splintered backside to grace us with labour's so—called master plan to halt the migrant boats and who's by his side .7 none other who's by his side? none other than yvette. refugees welcome. just not in my house. cooper.

now, hold on to your hats, because you won't believe this. the want to resurrect a dublin convention style deal with brussels is the good old family reunion scheme, where asylum seekers ping pong between britain and the eu, like a bureaucratic game of hot potato. but let's rewind to 2020, shall we? under that same dublin convention, britain tried to offload a whopping 8502 illegal migrants back to eu countries. and guess how many brussels accepted a measly 105. meanwhile i'm sure you can guess this next bit soft touch. britain, the world's most generous doormat, rolled out the red carpet for 882 asylum seekers from the eu. so let's get this absolutely straight . i so let's get this absolutely straight. i didn't so let's get this absolutely straight . i didn't vote, leave straight. i didn't vote, leave and campaign for it for so wishy washy keith, to drag us back into the eu's bureaucratic quagmire . if this is labour's

quagmire. if this is labour's grand idea, then i've got a bndge grand idea, then i've got a bridge to sell you. and it's not the channel tunnel. frankly, i don't want my country to become a dumping ground for any boat migrants. you heard that right? any what planet is starmer living on with a housing crisis 7 living on with a housing crisis ? with a health care crisis. with an education crisis. and this clown wants to make them worse. wake up, britain. starmer is offering empty promises and red tape , all designed to make red tape, all designed to make us brussels obedient lapdog on a very short eu leash . ben very short eu leash. ben benjamin butterworth i'll start with you. i'm assuming you looked at that and thought it was the best plan you'd ever heard. well, at least it actually is a plan rather than the bluster and piffle that suella braverman comes outwith. >> you know, she came up with rwanda. costa a fortune, about £120 million. nobody's gone there . she never shuts up about there. she never shuts up about stop the boats, stop the boats. the boats are still coming in greater all it took was greater numbers. all it took was for some sunny weather and

thousands of them came over and risked lives and risked risked their lives and risked our security. just a few our security. in just a few days. keir starmer has come days. so keir starmer has come forward actually, let's forward and say, actually, let's be let's talk to be adults, right? let's talk to the french, let's talk to the eu. let's come up a deal eu. let's come up with a deal which says many people we which says how many people we take how people we're take and how many people we're to now, the to going send back. now, the idea that you're sitting down saying, oh, that work, saying, oh, that doesn't work, we'll all these immigrants, we'll take all these immigrants, mate. taking all the mate. we're taking all the immigrants already at least he's got an idea. >> exactly so don't want us >> exactly. so i don't want us to any of them. so then to take any of them. so then what you do for people like what do you do for people like us? just. you can't just >> you just. you can't just force them back to france because the real world doesn't work australia i work like that. australia did. i know brexit, know you supported brexit, so you love your fantasies, but in reality can't fly thousands you love your fantasies, but in retpeople can't fly thousands you love your fantasies, but in retpeople to an't fly thousands you love your fantasies, but in retpeople to paris.( thousands of people to paris. >> sorry. the plan that keir >> i'm sorry. the plan that keir starmer come up with, he starmer has come up with, he talks the talks about talking to the french and negotiating a return deal french and negotiating a return deal, the heart of deal, being at the heart of europol, having a connected relationship and all of that stuff. these are all things that the either already the government is either already doing trying to do. the doing or is trying to do. the only difference between keir starmer's plan and what the government are trying to do is

that the government also wants a deterrent in the in the form of the plan and don't the rwanda plan and they don't want part of europol that want to be part of europol that clearly otherwise. yeah, but the point difference between point is the difference between the nothing. what's the plans is nothing. so what's your issue with the government's plan? say that there plan? can i just say that there is issue? is the minor issue? >> is say that the >> that is to say that the european union don't want to negotiate in this way with the uk officials have uk government officials have already said that it's delusional that keir starmer wants to negotiate to sort of rejoin some kind of eu resettlement scheme. if you know what's going on on the continent at the you've got poland at the moment. you've got poland who a referendum on the who want a referendum on the migration on these migration schemes on these quotas for asylum seekers. you've got germany backing out of the resettlement scheme because want to take because they don't want to take too people from italy too many people from italy because aren't playing, because italy aren't playing, you in the same they're you know, in the same they're not doing what germany want essential. really is essential. ali there really is a huge battle going on on the continent. the keir starmer seems naive, too ignorant too. i don't know what's going on, but we don't want to be joining that scheme again. that's for sure. it's mess. it's an absolute mess. >> thing is that you and

>> and the thing is that you and moan about the fact that we've got houses this country got no houses in this country and people are and that old people are millionaires whatever rubbish millionaires or whatever rubbish you're spout later you're going to spout later on when nowhere when actually we've got nowhere to house these people. benjamin so where are you to going put them you for your them once you vote for your labour government, can they stay with lovely little with you in your lovely little home london? home in london? >> you're one that's >> darren you're the one that's being because you're being delusional because you're seeing that any of seeing you're seeing that any of these governments actually want less . that's an less migration. that's an absolute it's illegal absolute nonsense. it's illegal immigration is a very convenient thing for the tories and for laboun thing for the tories and for labour. that's why they're not doing anything to stop it. they're dependent this country's economy is dependent on basically unfettered, illegal immigration and legal migration because we're not having enough children , and children are very children, and children are very expensive to raise. so why not just import workers when they're already fully grown? what worries me, what worries me about that is that actually the fact of the matter is we are going to poison democracy in britain because people keep voting for border controls and they keep being rejected by the

political class across europe as well. in italy , they voted for well. in italy, they voted for an apparently far right fascist leader who's going to close the borders. and if anything, she's opened them further. >> well, we're stuck in cycle >> well, we're stuck in a cycle , aren't we? people aren't having because having children. partly because of crisis. and then of the housing crisis. and then we make that crisis even worse by such large level by having such large level immigration. we are stuck in immigration. so we are stuck in a bit of a well, a bizarre cycle, aren't we, really? >> i just think there's an audacity to say that a labour government is to because government is going to because the government has said government is going to because the starmerovernment has said government is going to because the starmer hasnment has said government is going to because the starmer has said1t has said government is going to because the starmer has said thats said government is going to because the starmer has said that theyi keir starmer has said that they will for quota of will allow for a quota of migrants to come into the country part a deal country as part of doing a deal . think it is misleading to . i think it is misleading to try and claim that that puts britain with more refugees or migrants than it would now when the numbers now are over a thousand a day. in some cases, this is just being more honest. but benjamin , the thing about but benjamin, the thing about sorry, i'll be being more honest, i think actually you should be honest with our viewers and be clear that actually , sir keir starmer, this actually, sir keir starmer, this is all just a plan to take us

back into the eu . well, i mean, back into the eu. well, i mean, you wish he was to going say that because it would your that because it would make your life the truth is, life much easier. the truth is, he's absolutely crystal life much easier. the truth is, he's that absolutely crystal life much easier. the truth is, he's that that'thely crystal life much easier. the truth is, he's that that's not' crystal life much easier. the truth is, he's that that's not goingal life much easier. the truth is, he's that that's not going to clear that that's not going to happen , i think it'd be happen, and i think it'd be a waste of time. his shadow waste of time. well, his shadow foreign hasn't been so clear. >> david lammy made it very >> david lammy has made it very clear that what he wants to do is our entire trade is renegotiate our entire trade deal find closer and closer deal and find closer and closer economic ties with the european union. keir union. i think that keir starmer, resigned jeremy starmer, he resigned from jeremy corbyn's shadow cabinet corbyn's cabinet shadow cabinet because he said that brexit was an unmitigated disaster for everyone. why do you think he's changed his mind? i don't. >> i can understand it because brexit is going so well. everything is so wonderful. the milk and flows everywhere. milk and honey flows everywhere. since we left why would since we left the eu, why would anyone since we left the eu, why would any can since we left the eu, why would anycan conservatives also be >> can conservatives also be honest failed on honest that we have failed on migration? think it's one migration? i think it's one thing with that. to say thing with that. darren to say that keir starmer's that you think keir starmer's plan migration is bad and plan for migration is bad and won't work. well, guess what? our plan for migration isn't working either. so i think we've got stop this ping pong of got to stop this ping pong of your awful deal. and then you say we're all full back, we're all awful. we come up

all awful. we need to come up with a solution to the migrant crisis. and think either crisis. and i don't think either of the parties really have a clue they're doing. clue what they're doing. >> help if the >> it would help if the solutions got through the courts. just say, well, exactly. >> leave the echr there's the solution next, >> leave the echr there's the sollalbee next, >> leave the echr there's the sollalbee and next, >> leave the echr there's the sollalbee and he next, >> leave the echr there's the sollalbee and he thinks next, >> leave the echr there's the sollalbee and he thinks that t, it's albee and he thinks that this week's peckham protests are ridiculous. the is ridiculous. i'll be the floor is indeed yours. ridiculous. i'll be the floor is ind�*thislours. ridiculous. i'll be the floor is ind�*this week, racial tensions in >> this week, racial tensions in inner city london reached fever pitch when an altercation between when a shopkeeper and a customer in london's peckham went viral on social media. a would be customer attacked a shopkeeper after a dispute , but shopkeeper after a dispute, but believed to be over some hair products. and the shopkeeper defended himself by briefly holding the woman in a chokehold. black lives matter style protests erupted on peckham rye lane outside the shop afterwards, and anti—racist commentators and organisations like the runnymede trust were saying that this was an example that britain is institutionally racist . london mayor sadiq khan

racist. london mayor sadiq khan even chimed in to say that he knew londoners were concerned about the incident . now knew londoners were concerned about the incident. now i'm concerned about the incident, but i'm not sure what an altercation between a shopkeeper and a customer has to do with racism . in my opinion, the woman racism. in my opinion, the woman behaved absolutely appallingly . behaved absolutely appallingly. who settles any disagreement by starting a fight with someone the man, the shopkeeper, the asian shopkeeper, defended himself quite rightly, in my opinion. but he was very heavy handedin opinion. but he was very heavy handed in his response. he should not have held the woman in a chokehold, although it was very brief. i'm really quite disturbed by this trend which has emerged where black people defend appalling behaviour by crying racism like the boy who cried wolf. are they seriously saying that because we're black, if we attack someone, they can't defend themselves, otherwise we're going to call them racist? that's totally absurd. and

that's absolutely no way for a functioning society to work . my functioning society to work. my grandfather turned 91 this week when he moved to this country. black people were not presenting television shows. they weren't in parliament and they were denied homes and jobs. just because of their race. now this country has made a lot of progress , but it's no longer progress, but it's no longer like that in britain today. and the simple fact of the matter is there are still racists in britain today, unfortunately. but none of them were involved in the incident in peckham earlier this week. so leo kearse, have i got this totally wrong? >> yes . why? >> yes. why? >> yes. why? >> so i don't know if you saw the signs that were being stuck to the shop after the incident, but if a white person had stuck those signs about an asian shopkeepen those signs about an asian shopkeeper, they would be condemned as some sort of 70s national front throwback . and i national front throwback. and i don't think that people should be excused from racism just because they themselves are an ethnic minority.

>> but was this a racist incident, in your opinion? the incident, in your opinion? the incident itself wasn't wasn't racist. >> i mean, there may be underlying tensions as between between communities . we've seen between communities. we've seen in other parts of england , in other parts of england, leicester, for example, we've seen ethnic rivalries flare up. this particular thing looked like a straightforward case of shoplifting, although, you know, the woman might have needed those wigs to feed her children. >> benjamin butterworth, you >> benjamin butterworth, do you think the shopkeeper would think that the shopkeeper would have treated the customer the same way the customer was same way if the customer was a white for example? white male for example? >> was just going to say, >> i was just going to say, i don't think the woman was shoplifting. it was a dispute over the returned for over the returned item for a hair product that they wouldn't accept. that accept. but the truth is that while clearly what that video appears to is appalling appears to show is appalling behaviour on both parts of those two people, i was really question whether that asian shopkeeper, question whether that asian shopkeeper , had it been a white shopkeeper, had it been a white man who had behaved in that unaccepting way, would he have choked them ? and i really don't choked them? and i really don't think he would have done that. and i think the fact that it was

a black woman is a part of why he felt able to put his hands on her to behave with that her and to behave with that level was it that if level of emily, was it that if it was a white man or indeed a black man, he would be worried about being punched in the face back? >> you know what? i think >> well, you know what? i think that can't we don't know. that we can't say we don't know. we don't know what the particular dynamics have particular dynamics would have been of been if someone was of a different colour on both sides been if someone was of a diithis. t colour on both sides been if someone was of a diithis. and our on both sides been if someone was of a diithis. and whatn both sides been if someone was of a diithis. and what i both sides been if someone was of a diithis. and what i hate sides been if someone was of a diithis. and what i hate isjes been if someone was of a diithis. and what i hate is how of this. and what i hate is how people jump to so many conclusions as as soon as they see viral social media post, see a viral social media post, as they see a clip, they as soon as they see a clip, they say, oh, well, if this person was or if this person was was white or if this person was black this person was black or if this person was asian they tried to think of asian and they tried to think of an alternative scenario. so when actually idea what actually we have no idea what the have been, we the case would have been, we have no idea if there were underlying racial tensions in this know if the this shop. we don't know if the shopkeeper racist. could shopkeeper is racist. he could be we know if the black be we don't know if the black woman is racist towards asians. what judging by what what we do know, judging by what we've seen since in terms of the protests, in terms of the signs that on this that have been stuck on this man's is that there man's shop, is that there is clearly inter—community clearly some inter—community tensions and there is a racial

element to that because some of those signs are pretty atrocious. >> i mean, i was just going to say, suspect anybody say, i suspect if anybody recognises what racism looks like, it's an asian shopkeeper, recognises what racism looks like, ityou1 asian shopkeeper, recognises what racism looks like, ityou know,| shopkeeper, recognises what racism looks like, ityou know,| sh0|areeper, recognises what racism looks like, ityou know,| sh0|are often right? you know, they are often on forefront. on the forefront. >> sorry , especially when he's >> sorry, especially when he's doing it . doing it. >> i'm not well. i just >> well, i'm not well. i just think that he would he would be a face of racism as she would be. and so i think there are two people that ought to be more sensitive to these issues. >> grimes, i know you're >> darren grimes, i know you're quite passionate britain quite passionate about britain communities immigration. is communities and immigration. is this is this proof that multiculture ism doesn't work? well, i think the protests that we saw outside of that shop where people were blaming it on whiteness or white people, how the hell can you blame white people when there was white people when there was no white person involved ? person involved? >> shows that the these >> it just shows that the these activists often speak of a psychosis . they're the psychos. psychosis. they're the psychos. if you ask me. and i think ultimately this says that we do have a problem in this country. we have a problem with crime spiralling out of control. and i'm afraid to say i'll be that

the crime seems to coming the crime seems to be coming from certain communities , in from certain communities, viz in parts london and to speak parts of london and to speak about that, to say that you're accused of racism and dog whistle racism and all the rest of it, when actually it's just common facts. it's plain and simple fact. i saw one video of this woman stealing a wig where she rammed it down her trousers. i would have said to her, you can keep that wig. i won't be having that back after it's been down there. >> technically merkin. >> technically becomes a merkin. >> technically becomes a merkin. >> yeah , it does. >> oh, yeah, it does. >> oh, yeah, it does. >> that was a different it does a different was a different i think it was actually in the states that video. >> but benjamin butterworth, is there with left wing there a problem with left wing anti—racist activists calling things racist when they're just not racist? well, i mean , look, not racist? well, i mean, look, this wasn't fuelled by white left wing, anti racist people, which is i suspect is what you're getting. >> no, i'm talking about black left wing was the black community in that peckham era in that part of south london. right. that suggests that right. so that suggests that they a very real they feel that in a very real level and is definitely the

level and what is definitely the case thati level and what is definitely the case that i think black women case is that i think black women more so than many other descriptions of minority bodies, face of abuse of people face a level of abuse of people feeling they can take feeling like they can take advantage them or advantage or judging them or putting on them. and putting their hands on them. and i this became boiling i think this became a boiling point general reception point for a general reception that those people in that community have faced. well, she didn't any sign of didn't feel any sign of oppression or anything when she was nicking shop. was nicking goods from a shop. >> did think, i think can >> did she think, i think we can all agree some people love all agree that some people love an excuse to get out on the streets and protest even when they know the details of they don't know the details of what actually anyway. what actually happens anyway. >> tonight, >> still to come tonight, benjamin cheerfully decides to launch intergenerational warfare. the warfare. and leo says the planned ban on american bully xl is racism against dogs. don't tell us we don't have something for everyone . but next, it's the for everyone. but next, it's the carver palava and i'll be in full agreement with a union leader. you don't hear that much. with the saturday much. you're with the saturday

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five. your emails are flying in as usual. claudie says, i think it's remarkable to ridicule labour's potential lack of ability to stop the boats when we have a conservative government who've proved themselves to be spectacularly useless and incompetent . useless and incompetent. regarding stopping the boats, yes, but my point is labour don't even want to stop the boats. they're saying, come on, come all. but alan says starmer is having his kinnock moment, but the tide will turn against him. oh dear. benjamin butterworth will cry. lena says regarding the peckham protest . regarding the peckham protest. emily is right. stop playing the what if game with racial tensions. she was wrong to assault the shopkeeper and that's that. well, now it's time for our next debate . up next, it for our next debate. up next, it is emily and carver is in quite the palava about the race to net zero. she thinks that none other than the gmb union are on the right lines . than the gmb union are on the right lines. she's off you go. emily. >> yes. you'll be surprised to hean >> yes. you'll be surprised to hear, perhaps, that i haven't always been the loudest supporter of union demands, but

tonight that all changes. gary smith, the general secretary of the gmb union , has said three the gmb union, has said three things that sound rather a lot like common sense to me. so in a warning to keir starmer, he said the following one voters will not accept economic destruction to achieve net zero two abandoning oil and gas to quickly would be a disaster. and three that the blind rush to net zero is harming those who can least afford it. in fact , he least afford it. in fact, he went as far as to say we've cut carbon emissions by decimating working class communities. and what did he point to justify these claims ? well, green these claims? well, green levies, for a start , they add levies, for a start, they add about £170 a year to every household bill. a modern day poll tax , he said lack of green poll tax, he said lack of green jobs for working class communities . yes, we've been communities. yes, we've been promised by successive governments, government after governments, government after government that there will be all these green jobs , there will all these green jobs, there will be this green revolution . but be this green revolution. but no, he says, they are severely lacking. and what i want to know is that even if you think it's

absolutely essential that we decarbonise our whole economy immediately and show the world our noble example , how much will our noble example, how much will it all cost ? because i think our it all cost? because i think our leaders have been a little less than open about the costs. and i think we need to know them and then let the people decide. you see, when you ask the public, are you in support of net zero, the majority, do say yes. but when you ask whether they want to ban petrol and diesel, that falls to less than half. when you ask whether they want taxes on airfares, that falls to 37. yes. benjamin increasing fuel duty 27. restrain eating meat and dairy consumption. well, a measly quarter of us would like to see that happen. and then, of course, there's the cost of replacing your boiler, ripping out your hob re, insulating your home energy intensive industries. either they or the taxpayer will have to stump up the cost of decarbonising. i note we're all stumping up the cost £500 million to fuel tata steel's green transition. and there's also the small issue of

shutting down our gas grid, which would cost a total of £65 billion. and that's according to a national infrastructure commission report. now, in 2019, when the uk became the first country to legally commit ourselves to reaching net zero, the treasury's best estimate of the treasury's best estimate of the cost was between one and £2 trillion. now, i think we can guess where that cost will fall . i say let's be honest about the cost and let the public decide whether it's worth it, right? darren do you agree with me? oh, my god. >> i absolutely agree. that's like music to my ears, emily. every single word . listen, i every single word. listen, i actually i'm more of actually think i'm more of a marxist than benjamin butterworth is because i agreed with everything that the gmb union leader said there. and actually the defence of the working class, the defence of labouris working class, the defence of labour is what the labour party is supposed to be about. you know, it wasn't always for the champagne swilling flights like you wouldn't believe. every two minutes it's like that over there and it's a shame. i think

it's a shame. so i actually, i really commend hearing voices like this of old labour that used to speak up for the workers of this country. emily well. leo, i'm interested to hear your opinion on something that, uh, gary smith, i think his name is, said and he said that net zero is a middle class debate , right? is a middle class debate, right? >> it absolutely is. i mean, the middle class is can afford to have a few more quid on their heating bills or pay for a ulez charge . but these charges are charge. but these charges are actually really regressive. they're the opposite of what leftwing socialists should be putting through. if the ulez was scaled in accordance with how much you earn, then then maybe it would be a bit a bit fairer. but at the moment the burden falls heavily shoulders falls heavily on the shoulders of working classes . of the working classes. >> it be that the cost >> and could it be that the cost of not achieving net zero outweighs cost imposed on us outweighs the cost imposed on us now achieve it ? now to achieve it? >> absolutely. mean, the >> absolutely. i mean, the exploitation fuels exploitation of fossil fuels throughout the throughout the industrial has led to industrial revolution has led to just insane advances in longevity and living standards. and the luxury that we know and the cost of not achieving net

zero outweigh you know, all the efforts. no i think the cost of not achieving it, we're basically chasing whatever it's a paid scientist is telling us we need to we need to chase . so we need to we need to chase. so i don't believe any of it. i think the all of this negativity about net zero, i mean, emily, you just listed there, just a list of bad things without actually talking about the positives of renewable energy, renewable energy is actually the cheapest form of energy at the moment. >> if we can if we can build nuclear power stations, if we can build onshore wind , if we can build onshore wind, if we can build onshore wind, if we can install energy property , can install energy property, build enough electric charges for electric cars, living can actually be cheaper and better for people. and these are things that can happen. it is government inaction which is holding us back from the from the benefit s of a green transition. and i hate all of this negativity. >> what do you say to the green jobs point, though? because as gary smith said , it's all well gary smith said, it's all well and good talking about green revolution and all the jobs that

come renewables come from renewables is absolutely fantastic. but he says we're not actually seeing those in working class communities. instead said we're importing our energy infrastructure from countries like china, countries like indonesia. do you understand that ? that? >> i understand the point. but if you talk to other people, they will say completely different things. if you if different things. like if you if you speak mayor of tees you speak to the mayor of tees valley, conservative mayor valley, the conservative mayor of valley, houchen, i of tees valley, ben houchen, i think hutton, he talks think now lord hutton, he talks about how green jobs about how the green jobs revolution in the north—east of england has been providing lots of and simon clark's jobs of jobs and simon clark's jobs building wind turbines and gigafactories for electric cars is opening up in the north—east of england. so there are opportunities associated with the green transition. we've just got to be bold enough to take them. and one word to benjamin, only one. >> you're wrong would be what i'd say. look cost not i'd say. look the cost of not doing this is far greater than any of these individual costs, because it's the end of the planet. as we know it. and that's already evident in parts of the world. many of those are

in the commonwealth. >> when are you next on >> when are you next going on holiday? tomorrow will you holiday? tomorrow how will you how getting there? how are you getting there? >> i get flight on a flight >> i get on a flight on a flight to korea, but that to south korea, darren. but that is real answer. and this is is the real answer. and this is where this is where this where he this is where this fellow a point, is fellow has a point, which is that it should be an advancing technology to make things like cars, cars, have cars, electric cars, to have aeroplanes that much less aeroplanes that are much less polluting. the real polluting. that is the real answer. and because we are highly educated workforce, i think we lead the world in think we can lead the world in that. and i think are being that. and i think you are being we are leading in it. we are leading the world in it. i agree you on that, benjamin. >> it is advancing technologies that will make this world greener as well. that will make this world gre�*yes. as well. that will make this world gre�*yes. anyway, ahead, >> yes. anyway, still ahead, leo is going to explain how the scourge of racism is now sadly impacting dog community. but impacting the dog community. but first, get your latest first, let's get your latest weather . weather. >> that warm feeling inside . >> that warm feeling inside. aside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello there. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey who have your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. those are increasing

threats of some heavy and thundery showers as we move into the second half of the weekend for saturday though, for saturday evening, though, generally lighter showers on the cards for southwest england. wales pushing towards wales generally pushing towards northern early northern ireland into the early hours sunday morning. the hours of sunday morning. the cloud across the cloud building across the southern thirds of uk. southern two thirds of the uk. so a relatively so there will be a relatively mild night here, particularly across the south england, across the far south of england, high teens holding up, but across north of scotland across the far north of scotland and chillier 2 to and much chillier night, 2 to 5 c, quite widely, if not some frost in rural spots that cloud and rain will continue to steadily progress its way northwards. the northern isles, parts of the highlands seeing a good of sunshine, but good amount of sunshine, but we'll start to see those heavy thundery showers pushing into southern as we southern england, wales as we head some head throughout the day. some local flooding is local disruption and flooding is possible. generally, temperatures will be a notch down compared to saturday for the southeast. thanks to an increased amounts of cloud. but there'll higher there'll be a slightly higher for scotland and for parts of scotland and northern ireland into monday. this front will swinging this cold front will be swinging its behind that, its way through. behind that, we'll fresher we'll see some fresher air filtering it . so still filtering in behind it. so still quite muggy and mild ahead of

it. eventually seeing those it. but eventually seeing those fresher swing but fresher conditions swing in. but on front itself, again, on the cold front itself, again, really quite unsettled with heavy showers, thunder storms and rain in the mixture and quite a blustery day for all of us on whole. there's further us on the whole. there's further unsettled weather as we head throughout rest of week throughout the rest of the week as and pressure looks as well. and low pressure looks like it will be staying in charge. enjoy the of your charge. enjoy the rest of your evening that warm feeling evening by by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> still ahead , benjamin's going >> still ahead, benjamin's going to be winning friends and influencing people by saying hardworking, elderly people now enjoying the fruits of their retirement but are actually disgraceful perpetrators of economic immorality . be here economic immorality. be here with us at depher live

radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five. now, we've had plenty of emails coming in tonight. bryony

said aiming for net zero is like a life insurance policy. we all hope the planet does not become too hot, but if that is a danger it would surely not hurt to try and do something about it. i agree with you. i just think the way about it is way we're going about it is wrong, said. majority wrong, adrian said. the majority of want electric cars. of us don't want electric cars. there's park them, there's nowhere to park them, never them anyway , never mind charge them anyway, it's never mind charge them anyway, wsfime never mind charge them anyway, it's time for our next debate . it's time for our next debate. >> yes, indeed. up next, it's benjamin , unfortunately. and benjamin, unfortunately. and he's to going tell us why it's immoral to have so many millionaire pensioners . it's millionaire pensioners. it's time for the politics of envy, otherwise known as benjamin's bugbear . bugbean >> oh, look, darren, i don't think i envy benefit scroungers, to be honest with you. now, look, pensioners . yes, that's look, pensioners. yes, that's alienated you already. pension hours are set to get a 10% rise in their pensions. hours are set to get a 10% rise in their pensions . that's more in their pensions. that's more than inflation. it's going to cost the taxpayer about £11 billion more this year. that takes the total annual cost of pensions . to £110 billion.

pensions. to £110 billion. that's more than education, defence and the home office combined every year, almost 20% of people in britain are living on a pension . this is on a pension. this is unsustainable . and that's why unsustainable. and that's why the triple lock, which guarantees these various forms of rises in pensions , needs to of rises in pensions, needs to go. it's wrong that people who are out of work should be getting bigger pay rises than people who are working . a people who are working. a quarter of pensioners are millions heirs. this is an absurd situation . and no, it's absurd situation. and no, it's not just that their house is worth a fortune . they've had worth a fortune. they've had their disposable income rise twice as fast in the last decade as people who actually turn up to work. they've benefited enormously from house price rises . in enormously from house price rises. in fact, loads of people have seen the value of their house increase tenfold compared to when they bought it. if that were 40 or 50 years ago and then you say to pensioners, all right, you've got £1 million house nowhere, why don't house out of nowhere, why don't you house out of nowhere, why don't you pay house out of nowhere, why don't you pay of that for your you pay a bit of that for your

health care when need a care health care when you need a care home? say, no, we won't do home? they say, no, we won't do that. and then who has to pay the young people. now, the bill? young people. now, look, this generation often talks about the wartime spirit when everyone pitted in together for. well, i'll tell you what, when young people and people who are turning up to work and fuelling this economy are having a cost crunch bigger than anybody in work has seen, then why don't pensioners do their bit, show that wartime spirit and stop taking so much money from the state when they don't all need it ? all need it? >> benjamin yes , you do know a >> benjamin yes, you do know a lot of pensioners stay in their homes so that they in the hope that they can pass them to on their children, to their grandchildren, because they're very aware of the pressures on working not sat working people. they're not sat there hoarding their money, counting their money. well, not the majority anyway. there will counting their money. well, not the some rity anyway. there will counting their money. well, not the some whornyway. there will counting their money. well, not the some who are, ay. there will counting their money. well, not the some who are, but'here will counting their money. well, not the some who are, but thee will be some who are, but the majority of pensioners have worked very hard during their life. and the state pension isn't exactly very generous compared to countries . so

compared to other countries. so i think it's a bit a bit much to say away with is that an say do away with it. is that an argument to say we should spend more on the state pension? well, maybe some. i do agree to an maybe for some. i do agree to an extent that it should be means tested, again, not sure tested, but again, i'm not sure if would be too difficult if that would be too difficult to admit on that point. >> our lovely producer this >> our lovely producer has this lovely which shows lovely graph which shows actually where britain is, how the uk compares to other countries on as far as pensions are concerned and the uk is on 58. and then you've got italy on 52, france and germany are on 70, france on 74% and you're making out benjamin , that every making out benjamin, that every pensioner in this country is sat there like lord sodden sugar when actually they're sat there like barbara bolton from greater manchester, who last year froze to death because she was too scared to put a heating on and thatis scared to put a heating on and that is exactly why those green wealthy pensioners who are demanding a triple lock when they don't need it should show some compassion action. >> when i say that the triple lock should go, i am not

pretending that you should forget about the fifth of pensioners who live in pensioners who do live in poverty . what i'm is that poverty. what i'm saying is that the kwasi who are millionaires demanding a 10% rise more than our doctors or nurses or teachers get, are taking money from their poorer comrades who are struggling to put the heating on. and i think that is unsustainable. you cannot have a situation where we magic up £110 billion. and let me just say one other thing. it is a myth that the money pensioners take out is what they put in. quite obviously, it's a myth. inflation and the level, the long people spend as long time that people spend as pensioners makes that obvious. we pensioners and there we pay for pensioners and there should moderate attitude. >> lot of these pensioners >> but a lot of these pensioners are millionaires on paper because the price their house are millionaires on paper bectgone he price their house are millionaires on paper bectgone up price their house are millionaires on paper bectgone up a ice their house are millionaires on paper bectgone up a lot, their house are millionaires on paper bectgone up a lot, largelyhouse has gone up a lot, largely because they've created an economy. >> that's why afford one. >> well, mm- % there are other >> well, yeah, there are other benefits as well. but but i mean to say that they should be turfed their houses to turfed out of their houses to realise that money, those realise that that money, those are their homes, you can't throw somebody of their home. somebody out of their home. and also, you pensioners

also, if you hate pensioners so much, pensioners, why do much, hate pensioners, why do you like one? you dress like one? >> it's rich in that >> well, it's rich in that jacket. you know what, benjamin? >> when he gets to the age of a pensioner, whatever the pension age, you will be lapping up all of those freebies. you'll be like, oh, i've got to look at this. i'll get my bus pass at 60 lockstep behind you on this. >> benjamin i think it is absolutely absurd that there are absolutely absurd that there are a quarter of pensioners who are millionaires who are taking handouts from the state, essentially on paper it's socialism for pensioners and capitalism else, capitalism for everyone else, and i don't think it is conservative at all to be spending money that we don't have on people who don't need it. >> we basically have a universal bafic >> we basically have a universal basic income for over the basic income for anyone over the age of £68,000 a year. >> and hang on, hang on. >> and hang on, hang on. >> can just say, when you >> can i just say, when you compare for pensioners get compare for what pensioners get to countries, the way we to other countries, the way we calculate is slightly calculate it is slightly different them. our private different to them. our private pensions are often more generous and pensioner has and the average pensioner has £27,000 a year. once you take in their two pots of money coming

in, right? that's more disposable income than workers in who don't have any in their 20s who don't have any of the financial security of £1 million house. >> well, i've got here that the average pensioner is left clutching £349 a week in 2020, talking taking away talking about taking away money from pensioners. talking about taking away money frorwe're pensioners. talking about taking away money frorwe're talking)ners. talking about taking away money frorwe're talking about taking >> we're talking about taking away the state pension from pensioners are millionaires pensioners who are millionaires , which is the triple lock i >> -- >> you're saying scrap the triple lock . i'll be you've had triple lock. i'll be you've had a scrap in the triple lock. you've had us spending more money and solar money on wind turbines and solar panels. of that comes from panels. a lot of that comes from private investment. no, it does not. does. it does not. of not. it does. it does not. of course it does. it's taxpayer subsidy for private investment. course it does. it's taxpayer subsidyou. private investment. course it does. it's taxpayer subsidyou. benjamin, restment. course it does. it's taxpayer subsidyou. benjamin, you nent. but if you. benjamin, you wouldn't able £359 a week, wouldn't be able on £359 a week, you wouldn't be able go on you wouldn't be able to go on all your jollies abroad, would you? you out that these you? so you make out that these pensioners the large pensioners are living the large life when actually not. life when actually they're not. a people are struggling. a lot of people are struggling. >> you're taking an >> yeah, but you're taking an example a pensioner that is example of a pensioner that is not the most common. 20 years ago. was ago. pensioner poverty was a huge problem country. huge problem in this country. that's why triple lock was that's why the triple lock was introduced in 2010. 11. right, because and managed to because and it's managed to eradicate part the

eradicate in large part the poverty of that. but they never introduced this, which means that it increases either in line with wages or inflation or 2.5% that imagined the crazy that never imagined the crazy scenario we've had in the last couple of years. and it's amazing thing how with everything else, people quite understandably say, where will you money from? and yet you get the money from? and yet £11 billion magicked up every yearis £11 billion magicked up every year is it's not sustainable. >> why don't we try to focus on this supply side reforms that might actually make the cost of living cheaper for working people. that might be a nice place start. place to start. >> right? ahead, it's leo >> right? still ahead, it's leo and week he is lamenting and this week he is lamenting the sickening suffered by the sickening racism suffered by american dogs. you with american bully dogs. you with the saturday five live on

gb news. >> welcome back to the saturday five. as you'd expect our email is are getting right behind benjamin only joking they're up in arms maria says hi all i believe benjamin was brought up

by his grandma who is maybe a pensioner or at least on her way to being one. she needs to give him a clip around the ear hole. well, there you go. strong stuff. >> she's dead, so it's not likely. but goodness me. >> well, thank. >> well, thank. >> not possible. jace says. here we go again, mr butterworth, saying we are immoral. let's see how he feels when he's done over 50 years of work. and then gets a pension £200 a week to live a pension of £200 a week to live on. well there you go. but jenny says no doubt benjamin will be widely but he is widely derided, but he is raising biggest issue raising the single biggest issue this faces . have to this country faces. we have to help our youngsters the help our youngsters get on the housing ladders, just for starters as well. yes, that's very true indeed. but it is time for our debate. and are for our next debate. and we are finishing yes , indeed. finishing on a high yes, indeed. >> up next, it's leo curse. and he thinks that actually the planned ban on american bully xls is racism entering the dog community. this should get a few tails wagon . take it away leo. tails wagon. take it away leo. >> the ban on american xl bullies is just racism for doggies . people want to ban them doggies. people want to ban them because they say they're

overrepresented as perpetre haters of certain types of violence . yes. well, where have violence. yes. well, where have we heard that before ? we've we heard that before? we've heard it from racists. that's right. and racism is bad . we right. and racism is bad. we know that certain races are overrepresented in certain crime categories. i spent the morning shooting heroin and begging aggressive lee. it's just what scottish people do . but racists scottish people do. but racists take these facts and spread them in a racist way. for example , in in a racist way. for example, in america, white supremacists take the 1352 meme and share that around the 13 relates to the proportion of the population thatis proportion of the population that is african—american , and that is african—american, and the 52 relates to the proportion of violent crime that they commit that is so similar to uh, to what's being done with american bully excels . i've american bully excels. i've already seen memes relate thing to them saying that some dog breeds are overrepresented as violent and violent criminals biting people, killing people .

biting people, killing people. it might be true, but it's also racist and it's giving fuel to racists. frankly it's a dog whistle and we should ignore it for the good of diversity . for the good of diversity. >> where did we find you? honestly it's all facts . look, i honestly it's all facts. look, i think it's a pretty interesting debate because a friend of mine has one of these excel american bullies. and i was shocked when i found that out because her dog is so placid, so well behaved. and so to say that just because they are that breed, they must behave that way, i think is a judgement that's not necessarily fair. was terrified of fair. now, i was terrified of dogs until a few years ago because i had an incident with one when i was very young. now that labrador, so are we that was a labrador, so are we going to ban every dog that could behave aggressively? i think there's something to be said it's the owner, not said that it's the owner, not the dog. that's the problem. well, you bring very strong well, you bring a very strong point leo, in terms of we point there, leo, in terms of we shouldn't generalise about specific we specific breeds like we shouldn't generalise about different races. >> i think that's a very smart,

intelligent. well thought out point. >> it's ridiculous to discriminate against, against an entire race of people just because of how most of them behave. >> are you saying most black people behave poorly? >> no, that's not what i was saying. i was actually referring to scottish people. >> right. are you saying most scottish people behave poorly? yes. >> well, they do. right >> well, they do. right >> well, they do. right >> well, i think i would disagree with that. look, and i would disagree on the points made about the american bully xl. a dog sceptic. i xl. look, i'm a dog sceptic. i realise this popular realise this isn't a popular position britain, but my position in britain, but my mother hates dogs and i'm very similar to my mother. so i, i inherited all of that characteristic. i hate all dogs. >> hang on. can we just get. sorry to interrupt, but can we just. can we just get a picture of my dog up, please ? can we? of my dog up, please? can we? there he is now . oh, this dog. there he is now. oh, this dog. you're telling me you hate this dog? bobby. bob the bob meister. i'd rather be quite frank. >> i'd rather it was a cat. look, the point is that i think

all dogs, which could potentially kill a human apart from working dogs, should actually be banned. why does someone need a doberman or a rottweiler or a german shepherd if it's not a working dog? i think if you're having your small little what is it, a cockapoo, a fine, relatively innocuous, harmless. i can deal with it like a small irritant. but those big dogs terrifying. ban them. >> you don't want a cockapoo ? >> you don't want a cockapoo? >> you don't want a cockapoo? >> no, i say. »- >> no, i say. >> i think obviously he was slightly tongue in cheek. or maybe he really believed that. it's hard to tell most weeks. but what i would say is there is a level of sort of classism in this because a rottweiler or other massive dogs like are other massive dogs like that are very keep. you very expensive to keep. so you get a few middle class get quite a few middle class people that's dog people for whom that's their dog of because it's really of choice because it's really not but a dog like this, not cheap. but a dog like this, which among sort of, which is often among sort of, you they're popular you know, they're popular amongst working amongst some working class men on council is it a on some council estates. is it a judgement about whether they really deserve have the really deserve to have the pleasure a dog or whether pleasure of a dog or whether they trusted in a way they can be trusted in a way that friend who has one who's that my friend who has one who's a woman in west london,

a posh woman in west london, i suspect no one's ever thought of a posh woman in west london, i sus|like no one's ever thought of a posh woman in west london, i sus|like that. |e's ever thought of her like that. >> but this is a 60 kilogram pure muscle killing machine. >> i mean, me or the this , i >> i mean, me or the this, i mean these american bully xls, they're they're pretty horrific dogs. and 50% of all deaths from dogs. and 50% of all deaths from dog attacks in the last couple of years have been from this particular breed of dog, which makes up just 1% of the dogs in the uk. it's kind of crazy. >> absolutely. i think the government should government ages ago should have said muzzles . those said we must wear muzzles. those dogs, not we. this, this panel that would make for a very short sofa owners should be wearing muzzles to honest, more muzzles to be honest, i'm more intimidated owners that intimidated by the owners that i've seen. well, yes. and bringing licences as bringing back dog licences as well. think that absolutely well. i think that absolutely should have happened long time should have happened a long time ago because a lot of people are saying, it's boris saying, look, it's even boris johnson this johnson wrote his column this week look, we it's an week saying, look, we it's an amazing, isn't it, to think that for three years we had a columnist for the daily mail as prime minister. but there we are. and he was saying, look, it's the owners. it's not the dogs. well, i say, well, actually, what are going to actually, what are we going to do and that the

do about that? and that the answer to has to be answer to that has to be bringing back licences and making dogs that could be dangerous when dangerous and wear muzzles when they're out and and making they're out and about and making you a muzzle when you're you wear a muzzle when you're out and about because your job's dangerous did you just >> benjamin, what did you just be smart drugs, though? be like? smart drugs, though? they'll molecules they'll just tweak the molecules in so it looks like an in the dog. so it looks like an american bully xl does all the things an american bully xl does but swab. but fails that swab. >> well, maybe , yes, but who >> well, maybe, yes, but who knows what's going to happen and they'll just breed something else. >> what do we do about the american that are american bully axles that are around moment? well, around at the moment? well, that's a good. think the that's a good. do you think the government is being government policy that is being proposed strong proposed is actually strong enough? want them proposed is actually strong encto h? want them proposed is actually strong encto h? culled want them proposed is actually strong encto h? culled tomorrow, |t them proposed is actually strong encto h? culled tomorrow, is:hem all to be culled tomorrow, is that right ? that right? >> muzzling and >> i think muzzling and neutering them. i mean, that means that they're not going to be aggressive and they're not going to be able to do any damage. so that seems like a good interim measure until they're phased out. >> be honest very >> and let's just be honest very briefly, these people, the briefly, these people, by the mistake symbols, they mistake of symbols, if they can't dog, they'll get can't have that dog, they'll get another they'll train it in another dog. they'll train it in the aggressive way. you're the same aggressive way. you're back the post. back to the first post. >> doke. well, have

>> okie doke. well, we'll have to there. but folks, to leave it there. but folks, thank you very much to our brilliant guest leo brilliant guest tonight. leo curse. written in and curse. angela's written in and angela you talk angela says, benjamin, you talk a load of rubbish but don't a load of rubbish but but don't listen to leo. your dress sense is always fantastic . is always fantastic. >> nick, are you sure you've been tuning in to the show? >> angela love specsavers no one should. >> james says your dog looks amazing. emily let's have him on the show as a benjamin replacement . tessa jowell yeah, replacement. tessa jowell yeah, that's, that's a good one. it'll bark less next up, it's the brilliant mark dolan she has very much for watching at home. we'll see you again next week . we'll see you again next week. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. good evening . >> hello there. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey, who have your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. there is the increasing threats of some heavy and thundery showers as we move into the second half of the weekend for saturday evening, though, generally the

generally lighter showers on the cards england. cards for southwest england. wales pushing towards wales generally pushing towards northern early northern ireland into the early hours morning. the hours of sunday morning. the cloud building across the southern thirds of the uk. southern two thirds of the uk. so be a relatively so there will be a relatively mild night here, particularly across the far of england. across the far south of england. high holding up, but high teens holding up, but across north scotland across the far north of scotland and chillier night, two and much chillier night, two a to five degrees celsius quite widely, not frost in widely, if not some frost in rural spots . but cloud and rain rural spots. but cloud and rain will continue to steadily progress its way northwards . the progress its way northwards. the northern of the northern isles, parts of the highlands seeing a good amount of sunshine, we'll start to of sunshine, but we'll start to see those heavy thundery showers pushing southern england, pushing into southern england, wales throughout the wales as we head throughout the day. disruption and day. some local disruption and flooding is possible . so flooding is possible. so generally temperatures will be a notch compared saturday notch down compared to saturday for southeast thanks to an for the southeast thanks to an increased amounts of cloud. but maybe a slightly higher for parts of scotland and northern ireland monday. cold ireland into monday. this cold front its way front will be swinging its way through that, we'll see through behind that, we'll see some filtering in some fresher air filtering in behind quite muggy behind it. so still quite muggy and ahead of it. but and mild ahead of it. but eventually seeing fresher eventually seeing those fresher conditions in. but on the conditions swing in. but on the cold front itself, again, really quite with heavy quite unsettled with heavy showers , thunderstorms and rain

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