we've got a jam morning again. we've got a jam packed 90 minutes for you. i'm going be speaking to sir going to be speaking to sir robert buckland, the former justice secretary, there justice secretary, because there have lot the news have been a lot in the news about, well, prisons , about, well, i think prisons, shoplifting. become shoplifting. have we become a nafion shoplifting. have we become a nation of shoplifters and also, of course, the xl bully ban . of course, the xl bully ban. i'll be discussing all that with him and a bit on tory infighting as well, because, you know, no week without tories week goes by without tories being other's throats being at each other's throats about other. i'm about something or other. i'm also speaking to pat also going to be speaking to pat mcfadden, as the most mcfadden, described as the most powerful labour mp most people have of and i'm have never heard of and i'm going to be discussing all things susan hall. things london with susan hall. she's candidate for the she's the tory candidate for the mayor london. she wants mayor of london. she wants to defeat sadiq khan. going to defeat sadiq khan. i'm going to discuss chances with her a discuss her chances with her a little later also going little later on. i'm also going to a political update to get a political update from across atlantic i'm across the atlantic because i'm going to be speaking to stephanie grisham, who's a former press former white house press secretary to donald trump . and secretary to donald trump. and you to miss this. and you won't want to miss this. and a follow my exclusive a follow up to my exclusive interview legendary interview with legendary broadcaster stewart. broadcaster alastair stewart. last weekend, speaking last weekend, i'll be speaking with his wife, sally stewart, about alastair's shock dementia diagnosis. please stay tuned for that. but let's run you through

the front pages, first of all. now there's one story dominating the headlines , you the headlines, as you can imagine morning. we've imagine this morning. we've covered on breakfast. this is covered it on breakfast. this is in the telegraph and it's in the sunday telegraph and it's brand accused of rape and sexual abuse. brand accused of rape and sexual abuse . it's actually an original abuse. it's actually an original sunday times story. so on the front, accused is russell brand, the sex predator who hid in plain sight . the observer has plain sight. the observer has a picture of brand on the front, but they go with a different story. labour wants new eu links in a reset of foreign policy. i'll be discussing that with pat mcfadden on the front of the mail on sunday. again, the brand story brand is accused of rape and grooming a girl of 16 again, sunday express puts a picture of brand on the front, but they go with millions. ditch crisis hit nhs and go private . sun on nhs and go private. sun on sunday for the tabloids. you'd imagine that they'd go with the same story. and they do. russell brand raped me as the simplicity of that headline following on from four dispatches from the channel four dispatches documentary and then documentary last night and then in the mirror, brand accused of

rape and sex assaults . let's get rape and sex assaults. let's get straight into that story and others with our paper reviewer, madeline grant. she's my colleague at the telegraph. she's a columnist and she's also the parliamentary sketchwriter for . and for the newspaper. and madeleine. to see you madeleine. lovely to see you this morning. i mean, as we've just seen there, of these just seen there, all of these headunes just seen there, all of these headlines about russell brand, we're toxic brand. we're calling it toxic brand. he's obviously professing his innocence. but these allegations are really very serious. >> yeah, they are . and it's been >> yeah, they are. and it's been an extraordinary investigation by and the sunday by the times and the sunday times and the dispatches team at channel painstaking research channel 4. painstaking research over a of several years over a period of several years has given rise to some really harrowing accusations of rape and sexual assault. and generally deeply predatory behaviour. and we knew, i think because he's been very honest about it, that he has had his demons in the past. >> he's problems with drink >> he's had problems with drink and addiction . he's said and drug addiction. he's said himself that he's behaved extremely promiscuously . but i extremely promiscuously. but i think this raises questions, doesn't it, about his employers. in the past, we worked for the bbc, left on ceremoniously after

the incident with jonathan ross on radio two. he's also been working for channel 4. i mean, some of the testimony here is disturbing in itself because it's talking about his treatment of women , but it's also sort of of women, but it's also sort of suggesting that people that suggesting that the people that worked as sort of worked with him acted as sort of pseudo again he denies pseudo pimps. again he denies these allegations, but don't some of these broadcasters now have questions to answer? yes. >> and in fact, know, it >> and in fact, you know, it is also reported the also being reported in the telegraph elsewhere that also being reported in the telegrofh elsewhere that also being reported in the telegrof the elsewhere that also being reported in the telegrof the media vhere that also being reported in the telegrof the media forums|at also being reported in the telegrof the media forums that many of the media forums that russell brand did work for are now coming under pressure to look into their own history and talk about what they and talk about what they knew and when. it's often a very talk about what they knew and when. thing often a very talk about what they knew and when. thing with] a very talk about what they knew and when. thing with someone who's common thing with someone who's very and charismatic that very famous and charismatic that they and just their they you know and just their position often means they position often means that they can behaviour can get away with behaviour that, a junior that, you know, a junior underling behaving in such a way they wouldn't the and they wouldn't last the week. and often, people conceal often, you know, people conceal and assisting with this dodgy behaviour . behaviour. >> i mean it'll run and run this story and let's just see how it unfolds in the coming days because i'd imagine that the times has also got a follow up for paper. let's get

for tomorrow's paper. let's get into though. i've into politics, though. i've called starmer versus sunak called this starmer versus sunak because at last we're getting a little bit of policy from the labour leader. yes been a bit scant in the past. we sort of had soundbites over substance, but in particular of interest is of course, his eu migrant plan . of course, his eu migrant plan. he's denying that he wants to be involved in the eu's own kind of quota system that they have internally with all of the member states. of member states. a bit of confusion around this policy, though. and it's interesting. >> yeah, and it's interesting. it's think he was taken it's almost i think he was taken aback just sort of aback by just how sort of viscerally many people reacted to and in such negative to it. and in such a negative way. and he's now seeking to clarify position . he keeps clarify his position. he keeps stressing his would, stressing that his plan would, by mean taking more by no means mean taking more migrants than we currently do , migrants than we currently do, but without explaining what about this deal mean fewer about this deal would mean fewer migrants than before, especially given paid given that we already paid france tens, hundreds of millions of pounds a year to do the same with that money. >> nothing's changed. >> nothing's changed. >> theresa nothing has changed. >> and the strategy far has >> and the strategy so far has been of deliberate vagueness been one of deliberate vagueness and staying silent and basically not interrupting your enemy

while he's making a mistake. but at some point had to come out at some point he had to come out and policies and they are and offer policies and they are not at all. not well thought through at all. and he's been extremely and i think he's been extremely lucky have so lucky that things have been so chaotic in the tory camp that many these bad proposals many of these bad proposals that would kryptonite, would be electoral kryptonite, like nationals the like giving eu nationals the vote 16 year olds the vote. vote and 16 year olds the vote. well, old well, this 16 year old is getting is interesting getting the vote is interesting because week because earlier in the week i remember reading stories saying he's this. remember reading stories saying he"yes. this. remember reading stories saying he"yes. now this. remember reading stories saying he"yes. now itthis. remember reading stories saying he"yes. now it seems he is doing >> yes. now it seems he is doing it. accused of it. he's been accused of gerrymandering trying gerrymandering basically trying to in his favour to fix the vote in his favour because most because we know that most people, left people, 16 to 18, are left leaning and not right leaning. yes. what make of it? is yes. what do you make of it? is he definitely going to do it? >> well, in it's a bit of the old know, it old hokey cokey, you know, it gets and then it's gets floated and then it's denied. i think they're sort denied. and i think they're sort of but, of testing the waters. but but, you do feel in very you know, they do feel in a very powerful position because powerful position now because things chaotic that things have been so chaotic that they away with proposing they can get away with proposing things were things that perhaps if they were deaung things that perhaps if they were dealing coherent dealing with a more coherent tory who are more tory party with who are more popular with voters, they wouldn't doing . but the wouldn't think of doing. but the 16 year old thing is obvious. jeremy gerrymandering i think for the reason that there for the simple reason that there is one other area of public

is not one other area of public policy where labour propose giving more power to 16 year olds. you know, there's talk of them smoking to 18 year them banning smoking to 18 year olds and from from then on basically. so not treating 18 year olds like adults. >> the labour party is historically with historically associated with a sort of nanny state government and at the same time, they're quite happy year olds to quite happy for 16 year olds to have electoral this one have that electoral this one issue, they think . issue, that's what they think. it's funny that i can't think why. that , we've got why. having said that, we've got rishi sunak vowing , well, rishi sunak vowing, well, according to the sun anyway, the sun on sunday of becoming action man, a man of action. are we finally to going get some policies well, not policies from him? well, not necessarily, say the mail on sunday, because there's now infighting over number 10 plan to axe inheritance tax. >> yes, although i was in the chamber on wednesday when starmer first used the inaction man and the labour mps man line and the labour mps laughed as if he said it is a good line. it's certainly by the standards of parliament right now it's a good line, but i think did. did tap into think it did. it did tap into something that, something there, which is that, you having you know, despite having a sizeable see pm sizeable majority, see the pm

either dithers on policies, you know, currently they're deciding whether or not to continue with hs2. so it goes to london. euston or not. know, the euston or not. you know, the trans guidance, happened trans guidance, what's happened to guidance has been to trans guidance has been delayed. know , and of delayed. and you know, and of course, the nutrient neutrality thing, they couldn't get through because labour opposed it in the lords . lords. >> so they had a fight about that today in the telegraph. >> he has and it seems >> he has indeed. and it seems that, despite having >> he has indeed. and it seems thatmajority despite having >> he has indeed. and it seems thatmajority in despite having >> he has indeed. and it seems that majority in practise having this majority in practise the story is one of apathy and sort of status and indecision. exactly. >> let's move on to women being erased again . i mean, how many erased again. i mean, how many stories like this do we need to see? now we've got the gmc according to the daily, the sunday telegraph removing the word staff, word mother from all staff, maternity guidance. meanwhile, word mother from all staff, m'theiity guidance. meanwhile, word mother from all staff, m'the mailuidance. meanwhile, word mother from all staff, m'the mail on ance. meanwhile, word mother from all staff, m'the mail on sunday,eanwhile, word mother from all staff, m'the mail on sunday, women's in the mail on sunday, women's health writer censored on all ways website for saying females have periods make it stop. i know madeleine, please make it stop. >> i wish . i wish i could. >> i wish. i wish i could. i mean, we really are in cloud cuckoo land, aren't we? if a writer on women's health who is writing on the website of a

company that sells sanitary towels, can't use the word woman or period, why is it men are never a racist? yes. i always wonder this. why is it always . i wonder this. why is it always. i think it's because you know, there's that same testosterone exists. i never hear of any any trans men so biological females demanding to erase the existence of men from the language. >> and also we saw as another story, we haven't got the cutting , but there was a story cutting, but there was a story about how the bbc had been quite happy this that happy to include this group that had basically said death to all terfs yeah, like it's perfectly acceptable violent acceptable to be very violent and violence against and incite violence against people just question the use people who just question the use of other of puberty blockers and other things. of course these things. but of course these people do what like. people just do what they like. i just i think what i what i find really quite, quite extraordinary concerned extraordinary is how concerned its platforms such as the bbc, that give a voice to the most extreme voices within this lobbying group, whereas actually , you know, i'm sure most trans people don't mind the word woman being used . being used. >> i just want to live their

lives. >> i know they're appalled by the kind of balaclava wearing bngade the kind of balaclava wearing brigade that tries to force professors out of universities. brigade that tries to force proprecisely.t of universities. >> precisely. >> precisely. >> quick word this >> a quick final word on this whole dog crisis. so the whole killer dog crisis. so the sun has managed to track down the owner and breeder of killer kimbo , which the telegraph found kimbo, which the telegraph found in the week, was responsible for the breeding of probably half of the breeding of probably half of the xl bullies in this country. yes, we've just had another death at the weekend. so i think the number of deaths linked to these 12 .gov i these dogs is now 12 .gov i suppose question, madeleine, these dogs is now 12 .gov i sushould question, madeleine, these dogs is now 12 .gov i su should we question, madeleine, these dogs is now 12 .gov i sushould we culltion, madeleine, these dogs is now 12 .gov i su should we cull these fiadeleine, these dogs is now 12 .gov i su should we cull these dogseine, these dogs is now 12 .gov i su should we cull these dogs now is should we cull these dogs now because somebody made the point, look, the puppies now could grow up to be killers later. it's all very well having this ban, but what happens the intervening what happens in the intervening decade and it's a very good point. >> i mean, i suspect that britain is a country so enamoured of dogs, all dogs, including ones that are called things kimbo things like killer kimbo and a breed for the deaths breed responsible for the deaths and also maiming of countless children, other dogs . children, other dogs. >> these dogs are meant to be placid. i mean, killer kimbo excel bully the clue might be in the name. yes

>> although i just think britain is such a dog loving country that any talk of a cull that i think any talk of a cull of these animals, however that i think any talk of a cull of these would ls, however that i think any talk of a cull of these would probably'er violent, would probably be met with protest and widespread with mass protest and widespread disapproval . disapproval. >> yeah. yeah. well, they say blame the deed, not the breed. but then it's an oxymoronic argument because you then say, okay, well, if owners are responsible, we'll make them have licences have dog licences >> exactly. >> yes, exactly. >> yes, exactly. >> i'll be putting this to some of my a bit later. of my guests a bit later. madeline grant, lovely to see of my guests a bit later. macthisa grant, lovely to see of my guests a bit later. macthis morning.)vely to see of my guests a bit later. macthis morning. thank) see of my guests a bit later. macthis morning. thank you; of my guests a bit later. macthis morning. thank you very you this morning. thank you very much for doing paper review. much for doing the paper review. now say that now i'm delighted to say that tom out and in tom harwood is out and about in billericay the people's billericay with the people's panel billericay with the people's panel, this week i'm sure panel, which this week i'm sure has got lots of questions for my special how you special guest. tom, how are you doing like to doing? what would they like to ask guests? ask my guests? >> good morning, camilla. yes, we're here in billericay at the famous pete's place cafe , and famous pete's place cafe, and i'm delighted to be joined, first of all, by pete himself. pete, how's business going for you? >> well , the industry and the >> well, the industry and the cafe is facing some particularly difficult challenges over the last couple of years. but we seem to entering a period of seem to be entering a period of stability at moment, which stability at the moment, which is welcome . is most welcome. >> well, that's very good to

hear thank you much for hear and thank you so much for having in your as having us here in your cafe. as well. well, let's well. thank you. well, let's have a look at what our gb news viewers listeners might viewers and listeners might want to politicians to ask the politicians and everyone else on show today. everyone else on the show today. i'm joined i'm delighted to be joined by lesley and by gary and lesley. first of do you have any first of all, do you have any sort of burning issues at the forefront of your mind when you think about politics? >> i'd be interested know >> i'd be interested to know what a vision what politicians have a vision of net zero 2050, what britain will look like, what our lives will look like, what our lives will be like, and how affordable it will be for ordinary people, and how we can be helped to achieve that. >> and gary, what do you make of it? i want to know why it i want to know if the 2030 ban on petrol and diesel cars is feasible because i don't think it is. >> and i don't know anybody in this that thinks different. this town that thinks different. i don't know. don't know how i don't know. i don't know how it's don't it's going to work. i don't expect know what they expect no, you know what they expect no, you know what they expect us to do? how are we going to charge these cars up? we're for it, you we're just not ready for it, you know, electric cars is know, all for electric cars is great, but it's just thin great, but it's just the thin end the wedge, well end of the wedge, i think. well of up on the show

of course, coming up on the show a little bit later is pat mcfadden. >> now he's a shadow cabinet minister could very key minister could be a very key part the labour government if part of the labour government if it in next time. is there it gets in next time. is there anything like anything specifically you'd like to pat ? to ask pat? >> i'd like to know how they can help people with the cost of living crisis in the short term . with 2050, . and again with net zero 2050, how affordable that will be and how affordable that will be and how labour party will be able to fund those moves towards that. >> a big, big spending question isuppose >> a big, big spending question i suppose , gary, very often the i suppose, gary, very often the labour party now is spoken as if it's very similar to the conservative party. >> yeah, exactly. i mean it doesn't matter who you vote for, you're going to get basically the same policies, aren't you ? the same policies, aren't you? there's no difference between them . so, you know, if people them. so, you know, if people were thinking about voting for , were thinking about voting for, say, reform, go ahead and do it now because labour are going to walk in anyway , you know, walk in anyway, you know, they're going to walk in. so time to vote for someone else, you know , politically homeless you know, politically homeless is how i feel at the moment. do you mind me asking how you voted

at the last election? conservative. but you know, i believed everything that boris johnson know, he johnson told us. you know, he was conservative when got in, was conservative when he got in, and he turned into a green and then he turned into a green minister reason because minister for some reason because he responsible for bringing he was responsible for bringing in the bringing forward the 2030 ban on petrol and diesel cars , ban on petrol and diesel cars, which i thought was terrible. i never voted for that. i never voted for any of that. so conservatives have let us down big time and they won't be getting my vote again. >> wow. >> wow. >> well, lesley, what do you make of that? >> it's quite strong thoughts there, i think that they're a great challenges facing all political parties and i don't think there are any easy answers to it. so i think they've all got big challenges as well. >> of course, also coming up on the show is conservative the show is the conservative candidate for london, candidate for mayor of london, susan hall. and i suppose what happensin susan hall. and i suppose what happens in london does sort of reverberate around the rest of the country, particularly here in can have big in essex. it can have big effects as well. >> yes , you can see things that >> yes, you can see things that are happening in london

happening other cities and happening in other cities and people that live in this part of essex, probably maybe commuting to london. and we're very close. we're doorstep and we're on london doorstep and i think things like ulez can affect people living outside who want to travel into london. um, and also any changes on public transport in london in terms of travel cards, think heard travel cards, i think i heard they of finishing they were thinking of finishing those . so it can those. so i think it can reverberate out here and gary, would you want to ask susan hall any particular question ? any particular question? >> yeah. is she going to reverse the ulez charges ? it's the ulez charges? it's ludicrous, isn't it ? the ulez charges? it's ludicrous, isn't it? i mean, my wife's got a car that's, you know, doesn't comply to ulez. and what are we just about, i don't know, 5 or 6 miles outside the ulez zone? so we're outside of london. but she's got loads of london. but she's got loads of friends inside the zone, so that means every time she goes in, she's got to pay. it's it just doesn't make sense. well, you know, it's a it's, you know , it's wrong. >> well, gary and lesley, we will be back to you in a little bit later in the programme and see if of those politicians

see if any of those politicians have any those have answered any of those questions. a 5050 questions. it's always a 5050 game, but back to camilla, game, but back to you, camilla, great job, tom. >> thank you very much. i'm loving gary's sense of loving gary's general sense of apathy. probably apathy. i think probably a lot of and watching of you listening and watching this identify that. this can identify with that. we'll back people's we'll be back with the people's panel little later. but now panel a little later. but now i'm justice i'm joined by former justice secretary and mp south secretary and mp for south swindon buckland. swindon, sir robert buckland. robert, you this robert, lovely to see you this morning. for joining morning. thank you for joining me just started me. let's just get started because with your legal hat on, you're a former lawyer. you were justice can we talk justice secretary. can we talk about this? russell brand situation? some people situation? i mean, some people are saying, look, this is trial by media. he hasn't had an adequate right reply. adequate right of reply. questions asked of questions are being asked of some broadcasters that some of the broadcasters that employed all happened employed him. this all happened on channel 4, the on their watch. channel 4, the bbc. what's your reaction to the story, robert ? story, robert? >> well, i think all of us have to react with some shock about these relevant revelations ones because they involve of very, very serious matters involving very serious matters involving very young women in many respects . and, you know , i can't

respects. and, you know, i can't imagine anything more serious in terms of the conduct , alleged terms of the conduct, alleged conduct of a of a of a major figure who is well known in pubuc figure who is well known in public life for star. look, i mean, i don't know whether there are ongoing criminal proceedings. it doesn't sound waiting to hear. >> we're waiting to hear whether the police investigate. but should channel 4 and the bbc investigate themselves ? investigate themselves? >> well, look, i think that actually it's probably the hallmark of a of a more open system. and a broadcaster to allow teams within their own organisation to do that. however, we know that the path here is a rather chequered one. we've seen this before with the bbc where units go off and do things unilateral and then and then things disappear into a sort of miasma of indecision. and i think the savile case was , was, was, was, was an appalling example of that . and i appalling example of that. and i very much hope here that we do

get clarity and that victims of crime get justice. yeah that surely has got to be in everybody's interests and you know, i mean , the news is know, i mean, the news is dominated by it today. yeah. i think it's really important that we now give you know complainant s the space and the time to make their complaints or not. and then for , for due process to then for, for due process to take place as as this country is renowned for let's also now move to on another big story in today's papers and it's been big all week. >> this xl bully ban that rishi sunak has suggests and now it's being that actually when being said that actually when you consider that some of these dogs puppies, a lot of them dogs are puppies, a lot of them have inbred, there seems have been inbred, there seems to be in the be kind of something in the bloodline makes more bloodline that makes them more aggressive. one the aggressive. one of the dogs associate the that associate with the dogs that have the uk is called have come to the uk is called killer should actually have come to the uk is called kill dogs should actually have come to the uk is called kill dogs that should actually have come to the uk is called kill dogs that are )uld actually have come to the uk is called kill dogs that are in d actually have come to the uk is called kill dogs that are in the :tually have come to the uk is called kill dogs that are in the country the dogs that are in the country now be culled to avoid any more humans being killed ? and. humans being killed? and. >> well, look, i think we've got to look at this urgently because what worried about is if we

what i'm worried about is if we get here get a precise definition here and ban the dog, are we and then ban the dog, are we actually covering the various breeds and the various mutations that might exist out there in an adequate way? what i don't want to see is, is the law falling into disrepute and not keeping pace with the reality of the situation. >> so do you advocate a cull then? well look, i think we've got to put safety first. >> and frankly , we've seen some >> and frankly, we've seen some horrendous incidents and incidents as well involving owners . you know, i think people owners. you know, i think people are saying, oh , it's all about are saying, oh, it's all about the owners. some of the owners of these dogs themselves have been attacked or even killed. and i don't i don't think that's the right approach. and therefore, you know, looking at therefore, you know, looking at the horrendous scenes that we've we're seeing now , i think we're seeing some now, i think action has to be taken in order to deal with this problem. >> for people listening at home. we're just looking at footage of the attack that took place in birmingham. about licences birmingham. what about licences for robert? for owners? sir robert? >> had licences until

>> well, we had licences until the late 80s. i mean, there were quite a low amount of money even then, and a lot of dog owners just didn't have them. i think licences in principle are a great idea. you know, i think i think it would reinforce the point of responsible ownership. but they've to enforced but they've got to be enforced and therefore , we need a whole and therefore, we need a whole new do that . and new apparatus to do that. and are going to be able fund are we going to be able to fund that the cost of that properly? will the cost of licences be prohibitive ? i know licences be prohibitive? i know they've got them in the republic of ireland, and i certainly think we should have another look. 40 years look. it's now nearly 40 years since them. clearly, since we had them. clearly, we can't to the old can't just go back to the old system. but concept of system. no but concept of responsible ownership of dogs is one that i think most of us in this country take hugely seriously . you know, millions of seriously. you know, millions of people have and do a job. but i think we should look at this as well. >> sir robert, i must ask you about the escape of daniel khalife . lots has been said khalife. lots has been said about the state of our prison system. you were justice secretary . three do you have to secretary. three do you have to take responsibility for take some responsibility for what at wandsworth and what happened at wandsworth and the of our prisons ? the state of our prisons? >> well, work very hard . in my

>> well, i work very hard. in my years as justice secretary to increase funding, and did increase funding, and we did that increased revenue that. we increased both revenue funding and staffing in our prisons. and the prison building programme as well, which is ongoing. pounds into ongoing. billions of pounds into new prisons being built. look, this is a system under pressure . i don't pretend that it was easy when my time in fact, we had to deal with covid, which was a huge challenge which we managed think managed to negotiate, i think pretty well staff worked pretty well and staff worked very hard on that. i think the issue this was an unusual and almost unprecedented daring escape. i think that what it's doneis escape. i think that what it's done is shone a light upon on the scale of the task in our prisons and the hard job that it there do . there do. >> isn't there a perception , >> isn't there a perception, though, sir robert, that nothing much changes ? i mean, i remember much changes? i mean, i remember going into prisons a decade ago and they had these issues. we also i spoke to your successor , also i spoke to your successor, alex chalk, last week, and i sort of asked him the sort of asked him about the court backlog. and it's the same in crown court since covid. it's 62,000 cases. so there's this

sense that nothing has changed under the conservative, which is really damaging for you as a party hoping to win the next general election . general election. >> well, look, i think that's that's not right. i think that in terms of the reforms that i made to make sure that people stay behind bars for longer, particularly violent particularly serious, violent and sexual offenders, that was and sexual offenders, that was an important reversal of labour's policy of releasing people at halfway , no matter people at halfway, no matter what their offence was . and i what their offence was. and i make no apology for that . what make no apology for that. what i do is that across the do think is that across the board and this applies to both parties , we need invest more parties, we need to invest more in the justice system. it's often forgotten , it's often forgotten, it's unfashionable, it's less , it's unfashionable, it's less, it's you hear less about it than you do schools and hospitals. and yet it is a hallmark of our society. so if i was still in office, of course i'd be banging the drum very, strongly to the drum very, very strongly to get more resources for courts and prisons. i managed to make some progress in time, but we some progress in my time, but we need to do more. i mean , the need to do more. i mean, the police are blaming austerity cuts under conservatives for cuts under the conservatives for what seems to be a breakdown

when it comes to dealing with low level crime. >> we've got the mail on sunday now a campaign to try now launched a campaign to try and catch shoplifters. i mean, last time checked, should last time i checked, that should have job. what's last time i checked, that should havewhole job. what's last time i checked, that should havewhole situation ob. what's last time i checked, that should havewhole situation that's1at's this whole situation that's happened with people being happened with people not being criminalised for nicking stuff up to what's happened is up to £200? what's happened is under the conservatives, people seem been given carte seem to have been given carte blanche . blanche to thieve. >> well, i think that the current situation with shoplifting is unacceptable . i shoplifting is unacceptable. i will deal with the issue locally here in my constituency . i think here in my constituency. i think that it's time for everybody. the big shop networks plus the police, to take this seriously. you know, we got shop workers on the frontline are doing their level best to combat this crime and who do not feel supported . and who do not feel supported. and that's why i think now it's up to each police force in the local area to really come come together and bear down on this crime. we know that in most towns and cities it's a hard core of, i'm afraid, a group of

habitual offenders, many of whom might have a drugs addiction . we might have a drugs addiction. we know who these people are in the main and organised shoplifting as . let's crack down on as well. let's crack down on that because in my belief is that, you know, it's like the broken window theory, isn't it? yes heard in new york years yes we heard in new york years ago, if deal with the crimes ago, if you deal with the crimes of that end of the spectrum , of that end of the spectrum, then you start to see, you know, towns and cities improve and a whole attitude change. so zero tolerance. >> oh , absolutely. >> oh, absolutely. >> oh, absolutely. >> you know, it's shoplifting is theft. it is a crime with a penalty of up to seven years of imprisonment. and i think that it's now time for the police and everybody concerned need to work hard to bear down on this on this menace. frankly so affecting our towns and cities. >> lovely to have your company this morning. thank you so much for your time. that's robert butler, former justice butler, the former justice secretary. lots more come on secretary. lots more to come on today's don't forget, today's show. don't forget, later i'll be speaking to labour bigwig i'll bigwig pat mcfadden and i'll also speaking to tory mayoral

also be speaking to tory mayoral hopeful susan hall. don't go anywhere . anywhere. >> the temperature is rising . >> the temperature is rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. good morning . >> hello there. good morning. i'm jonathan vautrey. who is your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. low pressure is increasingly going to be in charge of our weather over the next few days. it's been circling iberia recently, circling around iberia recently, but increasingly going to but it's increasingly going to spread influence the spread its influence across the uk . that's bringing uk. and that's bringing bringing these initially across these showers initially across northern ireland, of northern ireland, parts of northern england heading towards scotland the but scotland throughout the day. but it's heavier across it's the heavier ones across northern england wales that northern england into wales that we to watch out for. we really need to watch out for. some downpours, some torrential downpours, possible thunderstorms and hail some torrential downpours, pothele thunderstorms and hail some torrential downpours, pothe mixture erstorms and hail some torrential downpours, pothe mixture astorms and hail some torrential downpours, pothe mixture as well. and hail some torrential downpours, pothe mixture as well. so d hail some torrential downpours, pothe mixture as well. so do ail in the mixture as well. so do just take care you're just take care if you're travelling . here. generally travelling. here. generally a fair amount of cloud around though. caithness up towards the northern isles seeing the best of sunshine. temperatures northern isles seeing the best of aboveine. temperatures northern isles seeing the best of aboveine. tem foratures northern isles seeing the best of aboveine. tem for thees northern isles seeing the best of aboveine. tem for the time touch above average for the time of 17 and 22 c as of year between 17 and 22 c as those continue to those showers will continue to progress their northwards as progress their way northwards as we evening. progress their way northwards as we some evening.

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we welcome back to the camilla tominey show >> don't go anywhere, because in just a minute, i'll be quizzing the man who would be running the cabinet labour wins cabinet office if labour wins the election. but the next general election. but is there a legal migration policy going stop boats ? policy going to stop the boats? i'll to pat mcfadden i'll be speaking to pat mcfadden after news tatiana after the news with tatiana

sanchez. after the news with tatiana sanchez . camilla, thank you very sanchez. camilla, thank you very much and good morning. this is the latest from the newsroom . the latest from the newsroom. >> russell brand has been accused of rape, sexual assault and emotional abuse. the actor and emotional abuse. the actor and comedian was the focus of a 90 minute documentary broadcast last night on channel 4. as part of its dispatches series, which was a joint investigation with the sunday times. a warning that some people may find the following content distressing . following content distressing. >> he didn't care about hurting me physically or emotionally or any of it. he just was. me physically or emotionally or any of it. he just was . it took any of it. he just was. it took me i was like, i know that it shouldn't take you having to punch someone and to win them, to get them off you. it shouldn't be a physical fight . shouldn't be a physical fight. after that. i just said that i wanted to go to sleep , so i just wanted to go to sleep, so i just laid on one side of the bed and then that was when he got on top of me and held my mouth open and

was just like drooling into my mouth. and i was gagging and like, i was like trying to fight him off me. but he's laying on top of me, so i can't like my limbs are trapped underneath him . mr brand was greeted by cameras last night as he arrived to perform at london's troubadour theatre in wembley . troubadour theatre in wembley. >> and a warning the following footage contains flashing images .dunng footage contains flashing images . during the show, he told audience members there were things he could not discuss. he posted a video online late friday evening in which he denied allegations of criminal pity denied allegations of criminal pity and insisted all of his relations tips were consensual . relations tips were consensual. liz truss will claim that rishi sunak's government has spent £35 billion more than her government would have. the former prime minister will use a speech at the institute for government to defend and explain her time in charge. nearly a year after the so—called mini—budget that led to the end of her premiership .

to the end of her premiership. according to the telegraph, ms truss will plot out that under her plans, £18.4 billion would have been saved this year and next, with more than £17 billion saved over the next two years . saved over the next two years. wales has become the first county in the uk to introduce a 20 mile an hour speed limit for residential roads. the welsh government says cutting the limit from 30mph to 20 will protect lives and save the nhs in wales. £92 million a year. the rac is warning drivers not to rely on satnavs for the correct speed limit and instead follow the road signs . the follow the road signs. the shadow minister for transport in wales says the blanket policy will cost the country's economy up . to £8.9 billion a this is gb up. to £8.9 billion a this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by simply saying play smart speaker by simply saying play gb news. i was back to .

camilla >> welcome back. in just a second, i'll be speaking to labour's campaign manager, pat mcfadden. i'll also be joined by susan hall, who hopes to replace sadiq khan as mayor of london. and exclusive interview, and in an exclusive interview, i'll sally i'll be speaking to sally stewart, wife the legendary stewart, wife of the legendary broadcaster stewart, broadcaster alastair stewart, who revealed to me last sunday that was suffering from that he was suffering from dementia. i'll also be speaking to white press to former white house press secretary to donald trump, stephanie grisham but of stephanie grisham. but first of all, delighted be joined all, i'm delighted to be joined by chancellor the by shadow chancellor of the duchy lancaster, duchy of lancaster, shadow minister office, minister of the cabinet office, and labour national campaign coordinator lovely coordinator pat mcfadden. lovely to morning . thank to see you this morning. thank you for joining to see you this morning. thank you forjoining me. let's just start with revelations about start with the revelations about russell your russell brand. should your colleague ed miliband apologise for cosying up to this alleged rapist ahead of the 2015 election ? election? >> well, these allegations have just emerged and they're really serious in terms of what happens with them. i don't know if

there'll be court action or charges brought. what i would say is the illustrate the need for the criminal justice system to take allegations of violence against women and girls really seriously . the prosecution rates seriously. the prosecution rates right now are far too low . right now are far too low. victims don't have confidence to come forward , and we will make come forward, and we will make a big priority of this at the next election. and we have proposals for specialist rape courts for support for victims in police forces . and we want to send a forces. and we want to send a strong signal to everyone in the criminal justice system that crimes like this need to be taken seriously and victims need to be supported and have the confidence to come forward. >> okay. i mean, presumably you won't be inviting him to endorse your campaign come 2024. let's move on to one of your key policy announced cuts. mr mcfadden. i think keir starmer has tried to clarify his approach to immigration. he's

saying that labour does not want to join the eu's own migration scheme, but it still begs the question and this is what i think our viewers and listeners are trying to get an answer to under this idea of taking in some eu migrants in return for sending people back across the channel. how many migrants are we talking about? he's avoiding the word quota, but we don't have any numbers at all. so can you give us a number for. >> no. and i don't think it will work like that. i mean , what my work like that. i mean, what my colleague , the shadow home colleague, the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper , has secretary, yvette cooper, has talked about is children with strong family links to the uk. and so on. but i think you've also got to put this in the light of what happens now. no one gets returned. they're all staying in hotels and we're spending £2 billion a year on it. the system is completely failing. have no returns failing. we have no returns agreement like that at all. so the counterfactual to sitting down and talking about some limited specific cases is we don't return anyone. we have a

growing backlog and a massive cost to the taxpayer . so that's cost to the taxpayer. so that's the situation that failing situation right , the situation that failing situation right, right the situation that failing situation right , right now. situation right, right now. >> but if you have a returns agreement, you have to have numbers in mind. agreement, you have to have numbers in mind . you surely must numbers in mind. you surely must have a cap in your own mind or even like a scale of how many migrants you think it's acceptable to accept into this country. and how many should be returned the channel so returned across the channel so no, you don't. >> you don't have to sit down and talk about that kind of thing because you're talking about this as though we were to going take part in an eu wide quota system. i have to break it to you. there are some eu member states who don't even want to take in that, let alone the take part in that, let alone the uk . uk. >> so that's a really good point, though. mr mcfadden. why is sir keir trying to have this scheme that kind of seems to ape what the eu is doing and yet poland is against it? hungary is against it. meanwhile, there are other eu countries. denmark's one of them that's now flirting

with the idea of processing its own migrants in rwanda and yet you've opposed that scheme, so you've opposed that scheme, so you want to cosy up to the ideas that the eu have that you agree with, but not those that you don't, that look, even if this rwanda scheme ever got off the ground and i'm not sure it will, it will not take anything like the 50,000 odd people that are currently staying in hotels at the cost , at a cost of £2 the cost, at a cost of £2 billion a year for the taxpayer, let alone the numbers elsewhere in the system that aren't staying in hotels. >> so the current situation is failing and the government, even if they got this rwanda scheme off the ground and who knows whether they will, it's all tied up in the courts. it's not going to take anything like those numbers. you're still left numbers. so you're still left with problem to do with the problem of what to do with the problem of what to do with backlog. and other with this backlog. and the other thing that should thing that we said that should happenin thing that we said that should happen in recent days is we have to process these claims much

more quickly, hire the people to do it. it would be money. well spent because not doing that is adding to these costs as i said, £2 billion a year in hotels as a result of not process chasing the claims or having any returns , even agreement to send a proportion of these people back at all. >> i'm glad that you've mentioned this idea of migrants being hosted in hotels, because my colleague patrick christys carried out an investigation earlier in the week where he discovered that labour run eaung discovered that labour run ealing council has been housing people on the housing list in shipping containers . is that shipping containers. is that right ? well i don't know about right? well i don't know about the specific story , but all of the specific story, but all of this shows the pressure that the accommodation system is under you know, a few years ago , in you know, a few years ago, in fact, you know, probably less than that, there were little or no asylum seekers housed in hotels. >> now it's 50,000, by the way, the number in hotels has gone up

20% since the prime minister said he would stop the boats. that's how successful his plan is right now. >> i know, but it's just surprising that you'd have a labour run council, ealing housing people in barely habitable conditions while at the same time complaining about migrants being in hotels actually , migrants seem to be actually, migrants seem to be being put up in better accommodation than people living here who have come here legally and end up living under labour run ealing council in squalid conditions . conditions. >> well, look, i think it's about dangerous. when we start saying who's getting better conditions and who's not the point of this, well, you'd want legal immigrants to have better conditions than illegal ones, wouldn't you ? the point of the wouldn't you? the point of the system should be to process these claims to see who is legal and who's not, to see who's got and who's not, to see who's got a legitimate claim and who isn't at the moment, a legitimate claim and who isn't at the moment , that is not at the moment, that is not happening. and that's what's led to this huge number of people staying in hotels at the cost of

£2 billion a year. the tories right now are presiding over a system which is failing to process people. it's costing the taxpayer a fortune and it's not secure because it's being run by people smugglers. they are failing right now. and we need a more practical approach to deal with this. i read in the week in the guardian that starmer is apparently talking to sadiq khan about ulez. >> what's he saying ? >> what's he saying? >> what's he saying? >> well , these things are >> well, these things are devolved issues . it's a policy devolved issues. it's a policy for the mayor you know, it's not a policy of the national labour party . and i'm sure the mayor party. and i'm sure the mayor has had a good dialogue with keir starmer about it. >> would you like to ape what labour have done in wales and introduce more 20 mile an hour zones as . zones as. >> zones as. >> no, i wouldn't. >> no, i wouldn't. >> why is that? is that the wrong decision for mark drakeford to have taken then again , it's a devolved decision. again, it's a devolved decision. >> we have this devolution where in parts of the country, whether it's a mayor whether it's the

government in wales where they've got power over something, they take the decisions . what i'm responsible decisions. what i'm responsible for is labour's national campaign for the next election. that proposal will not be in the manifesto next time and around the country, different councils are taking different decisions. i've been tory councils that have put in practise 20 mile an hour zones as well, but it will not be a thing in our manifesto as a national policy for the whole. >> okay. final question, mr mcfadden. again you've been described in the guardian as pure new labour. is that the kind of manifesto you're coming up with then? is it blairism? mark two? >> well , mark two? >> well, you'll have to see when it's announced. i mean, i think these labels are a bit old fashioned myself , 16 years since fashioned myself, 16 years since mr blair left office, we've got a new leader for new times. and what i'm pleased about is that the labour party is going to be a changed party from the one

that was offered to the electorate in 2019. much more facing the public, rolling our sleeves up and trying to stop the mess that would be created by a fifth term of the tories . by a fifth term of the tories. >> mr mcfadden lovely to speak to you this morning. thank you for joining me. now, stay tuned forjoining me. now, stay tuned because later on in the show, i'm going to be speaking to sally stewart, the wife of alastair stewart, who'll be revealing with revealing how she has coped with alice's dementia diagnosis. i'm also going speaking also going to be speaking probably ulez other probably about ulez and other matters who's the matters to susan hall, who's the tory for mayor of tory candidate for mayor of london, and stephanie grisham, the former house the former white house press secretary, is going to join me to discuss donald trump's chances the next chances of winning the next general election america. general election in america. don't anywhere . that warm don't go anywhere. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. good morning. i'm jonathan vautrey. who is your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. low pressure is increasingly going to be in charge of our weather over the

next few days. it's been circling around iberia for recently, but it's increasingly going spread influence going to spread its influence across that's across the uk. and that's bringing bringing these showers initially northern initially across northern ireland. of northern ireland. parts of northern england towards scotland england heading towards scotland throughout it's the throughout the day. but it's the heavier across southern throughout the day. but it's the heavier into across southern throughout the day. but it's the heavier into wales southern throughout the day. but it's the heavier into wales that hern throughout the day. but it's the heavier into wales that we] england into wales that we really need to watch out for some torrential downpours, possible thunderstorms and hail some torrential downpours, pothele thunderstorms and hail some torrential downpours, pothe mixture erstorms and hail some torrential downpours, pothe mixture astorms and hail some torrential downpours, pothe mixture as well. and hail some torrential downpours, pothe mixture as well. so d hail some torrential downpours, pothe mixture as well. so do ail in the mixture as well. so do just take care if you're travelling here. generally a fair amount of cloud around though. caithness towards the though. caithness up towards the northern the best northern isles, seeing the best of temperatures of the sunshine. temperatures touch time touch above average for the time of and 22 c. of year between 17 and 22 c. those showers will continue to progress way northwards progress their way northwards as we the evening. we head throughout the evening. again, heavy outbursts again, some heavy outbursts across england across parts of wales, england initially it starts to initially, but it then starts to reactivate the rain in the north and see that turning heavier and we see that turning heavier across scotland later on in monday morning. quite a warm night many of us well . night for many of us as well. and all that cloud and amongst all that cloud generally up between 14 generally holding up between 14 and 18 c. and then monday looks to be a pretty unsettled day for many of us, quite blustery as this band of heavy showers and rain pushes through. again, some thunderstorms possible on that,

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radio. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show. lovely to see you on this sunday morning. now i'm joined by susan hall, who's a member of the london assembly and of course, tory and of course, the tory candidate mayor of london. candidate for mayor of london. she's trying to take she's the woman trying to take on sadiq khan. let's get started. gary, my started. because gary, on my people's panel has asked what you about ulez if you you would do about ulez if you got elected. >> i'd stop the expansion on day one, i pledged that and that one, and i pledged that and that would would you reverse would happen. would you reverse the charge? the congestion charge? >> ltns are within the >> ltns i l ltns are within the control of the local councils, but i would absolutely do everything i could to get them removed. and obviously the labour attack line on that, particularly with regard to the ulez expansion, is that it was bofis ulez expansion, is that it was boris johnson's a tories idea. >> yes, but that's a ridiculous argument . it was brought in for argument. it was brought in for the centre of london and talking to people that in inner to people that live in inner london, happy with it, london, they are happy with it, but they've buses at but then they've got buses at the of their roads. they've the end of their roads. they've got tube stations everywhere. for those us that live in the

for those of us that live in the outskirts of london, do not outskirts of london, just do not have same offer of public have the same offer of public transport and that's the difference. that's what difference. and that's what sadiq khan just does not understand. thing that understand. the other thing that has motorists their understand. the other thing that has out motorists their understand. the other thing that has out is)torists their understand. the other thing that has out is allists their understand. the other thing that has out is all of; their understand. the other thing that has out is all of the their hair out is all of the introduction of the 20 mile an hour , finchley road and hour zones, finchley road and surrounds. hour zones, finchley road and suriyes,1s. getting fined >> yes, people getting fined because they've at because they've gone at 22. i mean, sometimes at night, by the way, i think we can understand 20 mile an zones near 20 mile an hour zones near schools peak times. but what schools at peak times. but what do think? would you do you think? i mean, would you rip those out, the 20 mile rip all those out, the 20 mile an hour zones in places like you've the finchley road you've said, the finchley road are ridiculous. >> i do wonder that's >> and i do wonder if that's a cash as which , of cash grab as well, which, of course, the ulez expansion. absolutely is. why do you say that? because £200 million has been put into the budget that they think that they'll get from it from the first year. so this is nothing but a tax on the poorest of londoners. >> khan will >> but sadiq khan will insist that is try and make the that this is to try and make the london air cleaner and to save lives. >> yes. but his own impact assessment done by tfl or commissioned by tfl says it will make virtually no difference

whatsoever over. but it is making a big difference to those families that simply cannot afford replace their cars . afford to replace their cars. £2,000 scrappage scheme. we both know camilla does not buy you a compliant car. i mean, he just doesn't listen, doesn't understand . it's a tax on poorer london. >> do you also agree again from gary, he wants to know from a tory whether we should scrap the ban on diesels and petrols by 2030. i mean, do you want to see the government be pushing back some of these net zero targets and some of these things that are actually going to impoverish people? the ripping out of boilers replacing them with boilers and replacing them with heat does heat pump plan, air? what does that ? that mean? >> i it it's commendable that they've got a date but i don't think it's going to work. >> but you're quite juxtaposed then you're a tory but you're quite juxtaposed to government policy. you consider policy. i mean do you consider yourself be on the right of yourself to be on the right of the do you know? it depends what >> do you know? it depends what you're about. sometimes you're talking about. sometimes i would be slightly to the right other times, apparently i'm not. i am. i have got my own views as

mayor of london. you have got to have your own views and reflect what londoners want. and it doesn't if those doesn't matter if those londoners tory labour or londoners are tory labour or liberal, whatever there are those with no particular politics at all. you've got to listen to people . listen to people. >> and on that note, i've just got to ask you about this, because it's been alleged that you've liked tweets that endorse comments enoch powell , comments made by enoch powell, that you've , i think that also that you've, i think tweeted in 2020 quotes. come on, donald trump, make sure you win and wipe the smile off this man's face. that's in response to a video of sadiq khan. you've also liked a tweet calling mr khan a traitor rat and saying that he's our nipple height mayor of london. stan? yeah. are they the right things to be retweeting? well quite frankly, iknock retweeting? well quite frankly, i knock on doors morning, noon and night. >> that's what i do . i ask >> that's what i do. i ask people their opinions. i have neven people their opinions. i have never, ever, ever had anybody on a doorstep say, oh, but i don't like your tweets. people are worried about things like the ulez cost of living and policing

is high on everybody's agenda . is high on everybody's agenda. that's what i'm hearing on the doorsteps . people, people don't doorsteps. people, people don't worry about that. people worry about what's going to affect their lives. and i have to be with the greatest respect, what i twitter on that doesn't i put on twitter on that doesn't affect lives . these big affect people's lives. these big issues all right. let's talk issues do. all right. let's talk about big issue for about perhaps a big issue for some people in that part of london. >> the notting hill carnival . a >> the notting hill carnival. a lot talk about the arrests lot of talk about the arrests that are the violence that that are made, the violence that happens carnival. should happens at the carnival. should it stopped ? it be stopped? >> no, i've never said it should be stopped. i do wonder if it if the organisers ought to look at putting it somewhere else. it's a victim of its own success. yes. people love going to it . yes. people love going to it. it's a wonderful celebration of culture, but it's got so successful, so many people go to it. it's in roads that cannot cope. >> should it be moved, then rather than stopped? >> i think the organisers should certainly look at that and see if that's what they could do. >> would you be happy to see jeremy corbyn stand against you for mayor mean, the for mayor of london? i mean, the polling suggests if he so,

polling suggests if he does so, he splits left wing vote he splits the left wing vote between and sadiq khan and between him and sadiq khan and you through the middle. you race through the middle. >> , it's for him to decide >> well, it's for him to decide what to do. i do know that possibly there will be problems within the jewish community if he does because of his anti—semitism. and we suggest he isn't an anti—semite. >> you think he is okay? >> you think he is okay? >> no, ijust >> you think he is okay? >> no, i just know what the jewish community might think about that. >> let's talk very quickly as well about american bully dogs that have made their way from america to the uk . quite a lot america to the uk. quite a lot of attacks in the london area. obviously, rishi sunak has come out with this ban. would you like to see a cull? because if there dogs still in there are dogs still in existence for the next ten years, even if they're banned from coming here and being bred, you've these you've still got these potentially dogs. potentially aggressive dogs. yes. of attacking yes. in danger of attacking humans. yes. in danger of attacking huraggressive dogs that can be >> aggressive dogs that can be nine stone. are a problem. i'm glad they're going to be banned. should they be killed? at this point? i don't think so. i think they should have muzzles on certainly personally . but it's

certainly personally. but it's only a personal thought. i would not want them near my grandchildren if they're nine stone. if they weigh nine stone and they're up against children, clearly there could be a problem. >> i know you're a gb viewer and listener, so i wondered whether you caught patrick christys expose of the fact that labour run council has been run ealing council has been housing shipping housing people in shipping containers. he spoke to a legal immigrant. she had come in from the congo . she's in the shipping the congo. she's in the shipping container with her children in it's cockroach infested . it's it's cockroach infested. it's not for habitation, she made not fit for habitation, she made the point, why am i here? and people have come here illegally, are in hotels? >> well, i would say she's got a point. i mean, the bigger the broader issue is the fact that despite that, the government, given sadiq khan, £9 billion to build more housing, he has not built enough houses. build more housing, he has not built enough houses . and that's built enough houses. and that's certainly will certainly something i will be looking at i'm mayor in may. >> and a final word on crime. we've now become, according to some of newspapers, nation some of the newspapers, a nation of shoplifter us. are you worried about some of these kind of attacks on shops on, for

of mob attacks on shops on, for instance , street? what would you instance, street? what would you do about it? well, i stand up for shop owners everywhere and it is shoplifter , isn't it? it is shoplifter, isn't it? >> it's a crime. it's a lost control of this. the met has we've got to have more bobbies on the beat. we've got to have more frontline policing in show. >> also, how about this £200 limit? they won't look at you unless you've thieved something for outrageous. for more than outrageous. what do then? do you think then? >> i think is outrageous. >> i think that is outrageous. stealing stealing. if i was stealing is stealing. if i was to pen, that is to take your pen, that is stealing . and i feel very stealing. and i feel very strongly about this . we've got strongly about this. we've got to law and order back in to get law and order back in london. and i will absolutely sort this out when i become mayor. >> susan hall, lovely to speak to you this morning. i'm sure we'll be speaking to you again as campaign continues. as the campaign continues. now let's to harwood. as the campaign continues. now let's he's to harwood. as the campaign continues. now let's he's billericayiarwood. as the campaign continues. now let's he's billericay inwood. as the campaign continues. now let's he's billericay in essex. now he's in billericay in essex. what did our panellists make of the answers given by the politicians appeared politicians who've appeared today? tom i mean, the thing is the border issue is about the despite that the government . despite that the government. tom, can you hear me? i'm asking

what have the panellists made of hollow interviews? >> yes, i've just got you. camilla. hello >> worries. what did >> no worries. what did they make of answers that have make of the answers that have been to my questions? tom been given to my questions? tom >> yes. i mean, what a lot there is to discuss. shall we? perhaps start with robert buckland , of start with robert buckland, of course, who particularly on this question of whether or not we should ban the american xl bully dog supportive of the ban, even on potentially supportive of a cull. do you think that's the right way to go, lesley? >> i'm not sure about a cull . i >> i'm not sure about a cull. i think that dog owners need to take responsibility for their dogs and they need to make sure that they're trained well. i'm not sure how as a society we can enforce that . that's the only enforce that. that's the only issue.i enforce that. that's the only issue. i think that i don't know enough about that breed of dog. and how many dogs there are in the country and how many are actually a problem to be able to say whether they should be cold or think owners would or not. i think owners would probably want them be. probably not want them to be. >> and do you make of >> and gary, what do you make of this cull versus muzzle debate?

>> yeah, think there should be >> yeah, i think there should be a mean, i had a cull. i mean, i had a rhodesian ridgeback for ten years. a lovely a big years. a lovely dog was a big dog. was a quite a scary dog dog. it was a quite a scary dog in ways. never bit anybody. in some ways. never bit anybody. and you know, but you never know in some ways. never bit anybody. and ayu know, but you never know in some ways. never bit anybody. and a dog'sw, but you never know in some ways. never bit anybody. and a dog's going you never know in some ways. never bit anybody. and a dog's going yoreact er know in some ways. never bit anybody. and a dog's going yoreact .r know in some ways. never bit anybody. and a dog's going yoreact . andyw how a dog's going to react. and these xl bully dogs, they're bred for one and one bred for one reason and one reason only, and that's to fight. you know , as much fight. and, you know, as much as, you know, when we went to have our deal put down, it's terrible. so now people feel it's a terrible thing. but but people's safety must come first. and children's safety come and children's safety must come first. know it hurts. i'm first. and i know it hurts. i'm sure some these dogs live at sure some of these dogs live at home and, you know, they're just normal i'm sure normal pets. but i'm sure but i think for people's safety and children's safety, there has to be as well . be a cull as well. >> we heard from pat mcphail , >> we heard from pat mcphail, who was talking about the labour party's potential returns agreement with the european union. he he would refuse to put any numbers on it or or any even ratio of returns to those who would come back in. what did you make, leslie, of his views on a

returns agreement ? returns agreement? >> i think that i'd want to see more detail and i'd like to see a firm plan from the government as a whole as to how to resolve the situation that we have, because it's not fair to anybody. and i think that you know, it's just i just think it's not fair at the moment. i think we just need to have a plan how to work things out. and they need to know what numbers that would be, what's affordable, what's sustainable for everybody. to help for everybody. and to help people out that need our help. >> do you think pat's >> gary, do you think pat's answered camilla's answered many of camilla's questions ? questions? >> no. i don't. i mean , we >> no. no, i don't. i mean, we know let's be honest. kiss starmer is a you know, he's a real european union man, isn't he? and we know how this this is going to work. we'll end up getting 100,000 odd immigrants because , you know, the european because, you know, the european union designate that and in return, we'll send 20 back. i'm sorry, but, you know, we know how it's worked. and i've lived under labour governments and you

know, i wouldn't trust anything they do, quite frankly. so i don't have any faith in it. i'd love to vote for keir starmer because i think he's good because i think he's a good bloke does a lot of good bloke and does say a lot of good things i would. but on this sort of issue, i'm i don't of issue, i'm sorry, i don't trust him. you don't trust keir starmer? >> do you trust rishi sunak on it? >> no. no, i said earlier, i didn't know that they're all the same. one the same, you know. same. one of the same, you know. and think hands are tied and i think their hands are tied by the european court of human rights until come of rights until we come out of that. no can do that. no, no party can do anything. you we're stuck anything. you know, we're stuck with, know, whatever we do, with, you know, whatever we do, we're stuck because they'll always you know always they'll always, you know , so there's , go against us. so there's nothing we can do. so we come out of that. and that's very unlikely. now, of course, we have also just hearing from have also just been hearing from susan hall. >> just quick word , if you susan hall. >>jus1fromiick word , if you susan hall. >>jus1from the word , if you susan hall. >> justfrom the both, if you susan hall. >> justfrom the both of you . would, from the both of you. what make of susan ? what did you make of susan? >> i think that she is obviously listening to the people of london and she sounds she sounds a bit like a safe pair of hands, perhaps . yeah. and final word to

perhaps. yeah. and final word to you, gary. >> i think she she come across as a really, really nice lady and i liked her. but do you want me to be honest? i think she's too weak. she come across. she didn't have the strength to beat sadiq khan . you know, some of sadiq khan. you know, some of the answers she gave were a bit wishy washy didn't steal me wishy washy and didn't steal me of confidence was in of any confidence. if i was in london, would vote for her? london, would i vote for her? i suppose probably. but you know, need some of it. like. like bofis as need some of it. like. like boris as the old old boris used to be as the old old mayor of london. you know, he used be someone of a higher personality. >> well, lesley, gary, thank you so for views. it's so much for your views. it's been fascinating. and been absolutely fascinating. and with to you. with that, back to you. >> camilla, thank you much >> camilla, thank you so much for tom, as ever, there is for that, tom, as ever, there is no the over our no pulling the wool over our people. eyes bring people. panellists eyes bring back maybe we'll discuss back boris. maybe we'll discuss that show. now don't that on a future show. now don't go anywhere, because after a glittering career in news, glittering career in tv news, which spanned decades, which has spanned six decades, alastair stewart decided to call time regular broadcasting time on regular broadcasting earlier year after he was earlier this year after he was diagnosed will diagnosed with dementia. i will be with his wife, be speaking with his wife, sally, the impact of this sally, about the impact of this on their family. i'll also be getting lowdown what's getting the lowdown on what's happening the us

happening with trump in the us from former press secretary, from his former press secretary, stephanie

this evening. gb news the people's . channel people's. channel >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show. stephanie grisham joins me now. she's the former white house press secretary to donald trump and chief of staff to the first lady, melania trump. stay tiffany. lovely to see morning. thanks for see you this morning. thanks for getting up so early for us. let's this. let's get straight into this. i mean, got one candidate mean, you've got one candidate running for president who could be under custodial sentence .

be under a custodial sentence. you've got another candidate that be able to that might not be able to communicate a sentence. what on earth is going on in us politics? >> well , it's pretty on >> well, it's pretty crazy on the republican side. and good morning to well. wanted morning to you as well. wanted to thank you for having me. to say thank you for having me. you right now we've got you know, right now we've got a pretty full group of republicans running in the primary. and as you said , there's a lot going you said, there's a lot going on. trump is in the lead, on. donald trump is in the lead, though. he's he's really in our polls far ahead of polls quite far ahead of everybody else . um, so we'll see everybody else. um, so we'll see what happens this despite, of course, fact that he's course, the fact that he's deaung course, the fact that he's dealing with different dealing with four different cases , criminal cases, three of cases, criminal cases, three of them, one of them being a civil case. >> and interestingly, sophie, stephanie sorry, interestingly , stephanie sorry, interestingly, stephanie, there's this whole nofion stephanie, there's this whole notion of now biden under investigation and his son, hunter biden, under investigation on trump under investigation on trump under investigation . i suppose the investigation. i suppose the bottom line is for our audience is should either of these men be standing? i mean, what do you think about trump standing, first of all? and then secondly, biden, is he just too old and

beyond it to stand again in, you know , it's really interesting. know, it's really interesting. >> polls by and large here in the united states are showing that nobody is excited about either option. nobody seems to want biden and nobody seems to want biden and nobody seems to want trump. however trump is leading because he's got a subsection of the republican party that's kind of holding the republican nomination hostage and giving it to trump, meaning that if he were to probably go against a general, he would lose to biden. but you're absolutely right. people are really starting to question biden, his age, his competency. people are questioning, you know, even physically how he walks. people are looking at how he's speaking. he's been doing a lot of misspeaking lately. so it's interesting because nobody seems to want either. but these seem to want either. but these seem to be the two nominees. but then who would be better in your mind? >> i mean, you've worked in us politics for many years. you were white house. there's were in the white house. there's talk ron desantis. there's talk about ron desantis. there's talk about ron desantis. there's talk on the other hand, about gary newsom and others on the

democratic side . i mean, who democratic side. i mean, who would be better than these two that of rising through that are kind of rising through the ranks ? the ranks? >> well, this is going to obviously be my opinion. but if you watched our first republican debate, i think nikki haley did a really good job. she has been careful to about the issues she wants to talk about the fact that there should be new that there should be a new generation politicians out generation of politicians out there. but yet she hasn't been , there. but yet she hasn't been, you slamming or negative you know, slamming or negative towards trump and the nominees , towards trump and the nominees, the other nominees. i also think pence could do a good job. look, he's definitely prepared aid. and then on the democratic side , i gavin newsom would be , i think gavin newsom would be a interesting choice. and a very interesting choice. and then, of we've got then, of course, we've got robert kennedy, who's running as well. and i haven't figured him out lot of times he's got out yet. a lot of times he's got a lot of republican talking points. in my there points. so in my mind, there haven't many coming haven't been many people coming up democrats because biden up for democrats because biden just that hold. nobody's just has that hold. nobody's really stepped up to even want to go against our sitting president. yeah. so we'll see what got, what happens. we've still got, you to go to you know, nine months to go to get these things figured

get get these things figured out. >> stephanie, are you still in touch at all with trump touch at all with donald trump or wife ? or his wife? >> i not. i resigned on >> i am not. i resigned on january 6th, on the day of the insurrection, and i have not spoken to them since i wrote a book. and they weren't very happy with. >> i thought that was the case. i was going to ask you following on from that, because i know your that january the your view was that january the sixth aberration and sixth was an aberration and should happened. sixth was an aberration and should i happened. sixth was an aberration and should i thought appened. sixth was an aberration and should i thought i'dyened. sixth was an aberration and should i thought i'd askd. therefore, i thought i'd ask you, that trump you, do you think that trump does deserve to go to prison? >> i think that, you know, in the states, jury should the united states, a jury should decide. think the evidence decide. i think the evidence should looked at. i am no fan should be looked at. i am no fan of donald trump, but i'm going to the courts decide that. to let the courts decide that. i don't think i want to jump ahead and say, know, he does or and say, you know, he does or doesn't without seeing and heanng doesn't without seeing and hearing all evidence. hearing all of the evidence. >> and you were chief of >> and also, you were chief of staff melania. finds staff to melania. everyone finds this really intriguing, this lady really intriguing, myself included . what's going on myself included. what's going on there? i mean, she's stuck by donald trump, even though on occasion she's looked like she'd rather be anywhere else, just quickly, just tell us what's the dynamic of that relationship and

what's melania doing there ? what's melania doing there? >> it's an interesting dynamic. >> it's an interesting dynamic. >> you know , i still to this day >> you know, i still to this day have mixed feelings about her. we were very, very close . and i we were very, very close. and i admire very a lot of things about her. you know, think they have a real partnership. he would go her for advice often would go to her for advice often and would give but, you and she would give it. but, you know, she's a very private person, he to be person, whereas he loves to be out the public eye. she's out in the public eye. she's very devoted their and very devoted to their son. and so i right now her focus is so i know right now her focus is him school and whatnot in him with school and whatnot in the us here, everybody's wondering where is she? why isn't she on the campaign trail? but you i tell everybody, but you know, i tell everybody, melania trump will do what she wants when she wants. so i wouldn't if we wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see her until he got the actual nomination and really began running for president. they a real partnership they have a real partnership there. yes. they got along better than i think most people want think or do . and they're want to think or do. and they're actually quite alike in many ways people probably don't ways that people probably don't want . want to know either. >> and i'm going to ask you on the biden side of things, obviously, he's well supported

by wife, but by his wife, jill. but this hunter situation keeps on coming back haunt him. there's now back to haunt him. there's now also all of this talk, of course, of the president himself being impeached for alleged corruption. the chances corruption. what are the chances of briefly, stephanie ? of that? briefly, stephanie? >> i don't think i mean, i think he'll be impeached in our house of representatives because it is mostly republicans. i don't think he should be impeached. i think he should be impeached. i think this is republican playing games. say that as games. and i say that as a republican . an and you republican. an and then, you know, the hunter biden situation is unfortunate hunter is unfortunate because hunter had real issues with had some real issues with addiction. and, you know , i addiction. and, you know, i believe like with donald believe much like with donald trump or anybody else's children , they they should be , they should they should be left it. biden doesn't left out of it. biden doesn't have do with a lot have anything to do with a lot of what hunter is being accused of. >> stephanie grisham , thank you >> stephanie grisham, thank you so much for getting up so early to be with us this morning. lovely to you. thank lovely to speak to you. thank you having me. a pleasure. you for having me. a pleasure. thank having me. she thank you for having me. she just said now in a deeply personal alastair personal interview with alastair stewart alastair stewart last sunday, alastair talked the emotional talked about the emotional impact diagnosis impact his dementia diagnosis has had on his wife of 44 years, sally the thing i have found

most difficult to deal with genuinely is the impact it's had on sally, my wife . on sally, my wife. >> we've been married for nearly half a century and you know your life partner, your lover , all of life partner, your lover, all of those descriptions that are personal and intimate that personal and intimate that person is reduced to i choose my words very carefully, almost to a carer . a carer. >> as alastair said, there , the >> as alastair said, there, the couple have been married for 44 years and they have four children. so this week i sat down with sally and asked how she was coping with alastair's diagnosis . dementia can have a diagnosis. dementia can have a devastating impact on any family. hi sally , how are you? family. hi sally, how are you? >> i'm well. how are you? >> i'm well. how are you? >> thank you very much for having us today. pleasure. earlier this week, i caught up with alastair's wife, sally, at the home hampshire the couple's home in hampshire to out how she has been to find out how she has been coping with the news. so, sally, when i spoke to alastair in the studio on sunday, he spoke about how he had got early signs and

suspicions that there might be something wrong. he talked about missing cool times. he talked about at one point having trouble with his laces . about at one point having trouble with his laces. did you suspect in the run up to his diagnosis that something was amiss ? amiss? >> did. fm] amiss? >> did. i the first signs >> yes, i did. i the first signs at home were him not being able to read , set an old fashioned to read, set an old fashioned clock we have in the kitchen. so i would say the clock stopped. can you set it, please? and then he would set it completely different time, random times. and was forgetting things. he and he was forgetting things. he would forget days of the week , would forget days of the week, what month it was that sort of thing. and then he would if he had something on the next day, he would go to bed, stressed and get in the middle of the get up in the middle of the night. >> e“- f long had night. >> long had that been >> and how long had that been going for? >> and how long had that been goiionly for? >> and how long had that been goiionly about a month before we >> only about a month before we went the doctor, really. went to the doctor, really. >> then presumably this >> but then presumably this stuck out like a sore thumb because we associate him professionally being very professionally with being very much his brief, being in much across his brief, being in full command of the facts. is that what he's like at home? >> really. he's he's he's >> not really. he's he's he's always been forgetful. so at

first, if i if i mention it to the children, they would say, well, that's dad. you know, he i mean, famously he put his wallet has done it twice actually put his wallet on the roof of the car, two petrol station, then dnven car, two petrol station, then driven off losing wallet and driven off losing the wallet and put briefcase down once put his briefcase down once to hail taxi in london and left, hail a taxi in london and left, got in taxi and drove off got in the taxi and drove off and left the briefcase on the pavement. so that's the sort of thing he has done in the past. so things that weren't so things like that weren't a total but when it was, total surprise, but when it was, when started be like days when it started to be like days of week, months the year, of the week, months of the year, seasons as well, he used to get confused what season we were in. that's it started to ring that's when it started to ring alarm bells and when you went to the doctor and got the diagnosis, how shocked were you? >> because you brace yourself, but you never think it's going to happen to right? to happen to you right? >> i shocked because i'd >> i wasn't shocked because i'd already that's what he already guessed that's what he had. and the doctor, the gp did a sort of a, i think quite a common test for dementia . and common test for dementia. and i was there in the room when he

did it. and the answers he was giving were, you know , well, a giving were, you know, well, a lot of them were wrong . so lot of them were wrong. so i kind of guessed i'd prepared myself for it, but we didn't get the diagnosis for some time afterwards because we had to see various other people and by the time we got the proper diagnosis, i wasn't at all surprised or shocked. >> but how did it feel to hear it? >> um, very sad. it? >> um, very sad . very, very sad. >> um, very sad. very, very sad. but you know, you just have to get on with it, don't you? >> i mean, the thing about what alan's told us in the studio is this sense to which he wants to convey that if you get a dementia diagnosis, it doesn't suddenly mean your world stops and that it's game over. life continues. but how has it changed how he's been behaving? and indeed , what impact has it and indeed, what impact has it had on your marriage, would you say? um, i don't really think that it's affected him too much. >> you get i mean, he, he , he >> you get i mean, he, he, he hasn't driven since november when we first got our suspicions

because he had an accident in the car . not a because he had an accident in the car. not a big accident, but enough to cause concern. so i made that decision that he shouldn't drive and he accepted that very easily , which that very easily, which surprised me. um and that's that's an issue because living here, we're not really isolated, but it does take a while to, you know, you can't walk to a shop. you have to go into a car and drive to a shop and other things that he would normally have done on his own. i now have to take him or do it instead of him so that impacts. but we still have quite a busy social life and we've got wonderful friends who are us in their are still involving us in their social lives and suppose social lives and i suppose i have my own social life as well. i'm still in. i'm determined to keep going as long as can with keep going as long as i can with that, but there aren't any surprises, what we're surprises, really. what we're having go through . i had having to go through. i had prepared myself for so it's i mean , i don't know, it hasn't mean, i don't know, it hasn't affected our marriage that much yet. >> no, no, i mean, he said that he was worried for you because

you're his wife and his lover. and now he he's worried that you've become his carer, which i think lots of dementia patients will say about their own partners that that's hard to see them doing stuff for them that they want to do for themselves. yes. i mean, he he, he does have issues with dressing sometimes just simple things that i have to do for him and check for him. >> but he's also beginning to learn how to adapt and to how to make things work within his parameters. so you know, we're doing sort of the best we can, really. and i think he doesn't want to over burden me. so he does try to do things for himself. but i do have a habit of double checking so i don't go to bed now until he's gone to bed because i then have to go around checking all the windows, all the doors that the animals are safe. yeah, that sort of thing. that's, that's a bit thing. so that's, that's a bit of a problem. >> mean looking forward >> i'm mean looking forward because facing because you're kind of facing the unknown the disease the unknown with how the disease might itself. what's might manifest itself. what's your oh i suppose

your biggest worry? oh i suppose . i i really worry about the impact on the children. >> yeah . and although there , >> yeah. and although there, they're sort of spread over quite the big age gap , i do quite the big age gap, i do worry that the implications for them and our middle son, his girlfriend has somebody very close to her who's got it very badly and the two younger sons have seen what it can do. and i think that that worries them and makes them feel quite frightened for the future . but, you know, for the future. but, you know, we're a long way away from that yet. yeah. >> was a really difficult >> was it a really difficult decision for you both ? i would decision for you both? i would imagine alastair, imagine for alastair, but also for you, when he thought to himself back the spring, i'm himself back in the spring, i'm going have to step back from going to have to step back from gb news was a relief . gb news it was a relief. >> it was a relief because i, i knew that something was wrong and to go and i've never been the wife that would sit there and watch every programme from beginning to end . and the same

beginning to end. and the same appued beginning to end. and the same applied when he was doing regular gp news stuff which he loved , loved doing. he really loved, loved doing. he really enjoyed it, but i was just worried that something might go wrong on air because obviously it's live so in a way it was a relief when he stopped doing it. i mean, i was sad for him because he so enjoyed it. yeah. >> and he's so good at it. >> and he's so good at it. >> but it was a relief in a way that we got that diagnosis. so he had to step back a bit. >> i mean, when you look back, he's had quite a difficult few years before he came to gb news. he spoke to this about this to me in the as well. he'd me in the studio as well. he'd had that stressful period when he his last job. yeah. he left his last job. yeah. looking back, do you think that might have played role in looking back, do you think that migdiagnosis?iyed role in the diagnosis? >> a very stressful time >> it was a very stressful time for him and for the whole family. very, very, very stressful. and think that's stressful. and i think that's that could be part of it. yes >> i mean, you had telling me earlier that you had sort of paparazzi at the door. the whole family's then co—opted into it.

it a big hoo ha at the time. it was a big hoo ha at the time. obviously, things substantially calmed he moved into calmed down once he moved into the role . but perhaps there the role. but perhaps there isn't a coincidence there . but isn't a coincidence there. but we not never know . yeah, we might not never know. yeah, he says that he's been helped by going out and walking the dogs for extended says for extended periods. he says he's changed a few his he's changed quite a few of his habits. smoking , which habits. stopped smoking, which may been a relief to you . may have been a relief to you. also, drink very much also, he doesn't drink very much anymore. would you recommend those sorts lifestyle changes those sorts of lifestyle changes to people going through to other people going through this? definitely, yes . this? definitely, yes. >> i mean, i don't drink much , >> i mean, i don't drink much, hardly ever. i've never hardly ever. and i've never smoked. so that's always something struggled with. and something i struggled with. and it was also the cost of cigarettes. yes. i mean, he was spending £500 a month on cigarettes . it's crazy. yes. so cigarettes. it's crazy. yes. so yes, of course, i would say that was a very good idea. yes, of course. and he has had a lot of help from hampshire health authority with his giving up smoking. they've been brilliant as well. >> he said as well that he thought that the nhs had been brilliant in handling what has happened. would you agree with

that? i mean, you're that? absolutely. i mean, you're the taking him to all of the the one taking him to all of the appointments and the of appointments and all the rest of it, that experience from it, but how that experience from a level being a practical level being they have amazing the from have been amazing from the from the day we saw our who would the day we saw our gp who would never even met before, i mean, it was just, you know, phoning up appointment was up from appointment whoever was first available and he was brilliant and set the ball rolling and been surprised rolling and i've been surprised up this point how help up to this point how much help we've had. up to this point how much help we'and ad. up to this point how much help we'and that sounds cynical. >> and that sounds cynical. i don't to but you don't mean it to be, but you know you hear such awful stories about the nhs and we've had experts you know, experts from, you know, respiratory cardiac respiratory experts, cardiac stroke , um, a psychiatrist for stroke, um, a psychiatrist for mental health and the elderly . mental health and the elderly. we've had an occupational therapist , we've had we've had an occupational therapist, we've had a mental health nurse . fantastic. and health nurse. fantastic. and people keep saying to me who've been through this experience themselves is that once you're diagnosed, the help stops us. and i suppose . in diagnosed, the help stops us. and i suppose. in a weird diagnosed, the help stops us. and i suppose . in a weird way, and i suppose. in a weird way, i'm waiting for that to happen. i'm waiting for that to happen. i don't want it to happen, but, but i'm waiting for that. you know, help. you know, you're on

your sort of mentality. your own sort of mentality. >> although suppose the focus >> although i suppose the focus is always the patient. and is always on the patient. and i'd intrigued ask you, as i'd be intrigued to ask you, as the i mean, the the carer, i mean, does the carer get enough attention? there hundreds thousands there are hundreds and thousands of looking after people, of people looking after people, their elderly relative lives, their elderly relative lives, their husbands, their wives, their husbands, their wives, their children who have got different diseases and disabilities. they a bit disabilities. are they a bit forgotten and left behind ? forgotten and left behind? >> i guess at the moment i'm not really in a position to say from my own experience because we haven't got to that point really. you know, we don't need carers yet , thank goodness. but carers yet, thank goodness. but i you know, i can't really answer that from my own experience, only from what i've heard. >> and since alastair came on my show, what's the feedback been like? have you received amazing on the day of the interview, the sunday, and he came home and he was he was exhausted because it took a lot out of him. >> i think he his phone didn't stop going, pinging all these messages. it was amazing. absolutely amazing. and i don't

i hate using a mobile phone. i don't do social media. but i've had a lot of messages as well . had a lot of messages as well. and we've just opened up a lot of letters and cards this morning from people and flowers. so it's been tremendous. >> does that help ? i mean, >> does that help? i mean, i suppose the kindness of strangers. yes. >> well , a lot of people, you >> well, a lot of people, you know, but also i'd assume some fans of his that just want to we haven't had any fan mail because i guess they don't have his address, although i've had lots of twitter as has alastair. >> and i think on the instagram page, you know, so many people just fondly remembering his very illustrious career and kind of sort of celebrating the bravery of speaking out because i think it is still something that people being candid people are shy of being candid and open about. >> i think i think people are quite shocked by that , that he quite shocked by that, that he had the nerve to do it, i think. but that's that's him. you know, he's he spent his whole career in the public eye really. and

that's that's the way he is. that's how he does things. >> on one hand, alice is spinning a positive message that this doesn't need to mean that it's the end . he's still very it's the end. he's still very lucid . yes. he's got some motor lucid. yes. he's got some motor issues , but, you know, he's issues, but, you know, he's being very positive . but from being very positive. but from your perspective , you're your perspective, you're alongside him and i'm wondering how you feel about the future. >> i obviously realise it's going to get worse as it was the psychiatrist told us that dementia tends to be like wide steps . so there you're at steps. so there you're at a certain condition for quite a long time and then there's a decrease and you stay on that for the next. however long period. so i know it's to going be a gradual process and i know that it be a gradual process and i know thatitis be a gradual process and i know that it is going to get worse. but you just have to, i guess, take each day as it comes, make the most of what's going on at the most of what's going on at the time and try and live life

as normally as possible and just see what happens in a few years time. who knows ? and there are time. who knows? and there are moments where i want to kill him , but that's the way it is also. >> that's marriage . >> that's marriage. >> that's marriage. >> yes , in a way. >> yes, in a way. >> and it comes with its different challenges. >> to kill me most of the time as well. >> i'm sure he doesn't. >> i'm sure he doesn't. >> i'm sure he doesn't. >> i mean, at least we've got space here to go out. and, you know, when it all gets too much, it's a bit like lockdown. yeah >> yes. what how you >> yes. what is that how you feel? living at the feel? you're living at the moment? sort of. >> well, the strategies that i used during lockdown survive. >> well, the strategies that i use haveing lockdown survive. >> well, the strategies that i usehaveing all> well, the strategies that i use haveing all hadn survive. >> well, the strategies that i use haveing all had our survive. >> well, the strategies that i use haveing all had our own ive. >> have we all had our own little ways of doing things? i reuse here now in this situation. give me some example of routine , doing the same of routine, doing the same things at the same time . things at the same time. >> you know, staying close to home. >> yes, i had to you know, i had to get up early during lockdown to get up early during lockdown to do the animals. and i still get up early to do the animals. and that gave me a routine,

which important to me. and which is important to me. and just find things do . you just to find things to do. you here based , because i do go here home based, because i do go out and i do leave him behind , out and i do leave him behind, but i'm not for a long, long penods but i'm not for a long, long periods at a time. and i think lockdown sort of taught us how to behave. yeah. for now, really ? >> 7- >> that 7_ >> that was ? >> that was sally 7 >> that was sally stewart talking to me about alastair stewart's dementia diagnosis. and i know they both want to thank you all for all of your wonderfully supportive cards, messages, text outs. messages, tweets, text outs. they're really, really grateful. if been affected the if you've been affected by the issues this interview issues raised in this interview , the alzheimer's society runs dementia support line , dementia connect support line, which is on 0333 1503456, which provides information and advice about dementia . we will, of about dementia. we will, of course, put all of that on the website and there's an extended version of the interview that's going to be on the gb news website a little later on this morning. now of course, i'm back next there's lots next week at 930. there's lots coming up on michael portillo's show, including a panel the show, including a panel on the thorniest , thorniest of all issues, immigration. the rest of immigration. enjoy the rest of the day i'll see you again

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