in a statement, the force said it was aware of media reports of a series of allegations and urged anyone who believes they've been the victim of a sexual assault to get in touch . sexual assault to get in touch. it comes as the bbc channel 4 and a production company behind shows hosted by brand in the mid 2000, launched their own urgent reviews. russell brand denies any criminality and insists all of his relationships have been consensual . claims that labour consensual. claims that labour wants the uk to join the eu's migrant quota scheme are complete garbage. sir keir starmer says the labour leader had indicated he'd be open to working with brussels on managing channel crossings which may involve taking in some asylum seekers. but sir keir says that would be as part of a deal to return channel migrants immigration minister robert jenrick says labour's approach would mean 100,000 more illegal migrants in britain each year. liz truss will claim that rishi

sunaks government has spent £35 billion more than she would have done. billion more than she would have done . speaking at the institute done. speaking at the institute for government, done. speaking at the institute for government , the former pm for government, the former pm will defend her time in charge. nearly a year after the mini—budget that led to her resignation. according to the telegraph, ms truss will claim that under her plans , £18.4 that under her plans, £18.4 billion would have been saved this year and next. wales has become the first country in the uk to introduce a 20 mile an hour speed limit for residential roads. the welsh government says cutting the limit from 30 will protect lives and save the welsh nhs a £92 million a year. the welsh tories say the decision will slow down emergency services and negative impact people's livelihoods . and the people's livelihoods. and the met office says more than a month's rain could fall by the end of today. a yellow warning is in place across south—west england and wales. meanwhile, an amber weather warning for

thunderstorms was in place across parts of devon and somerset, but that's now ended, although severe flash flooding was reported in the devon towns of dawlish and kenton and flights have been cancelled at exeter airport . this flights have been cancelled at exeter airport. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's time to go back to free speech nation . an antiques free speech nation. an antiques roadshow participant gets quizzed on reparation as the welsh government wants everyone to drive slowly and the bbc refuses to play roshi murphy's songs but does play a song, including the phrase kick turfs. >> this is free speech nation . >> this is free speech nation. it's sunday night. welcome to free speech nation. with me, andrew doyle. this is the show where we take a look at culture current affairs and politics. and of course, we'll have the

latest from those lovable culture warriors. you name it, they will try to cancel it. coming the tonight, coming up on the show tonight, under leadership justin under the leadership of justin trudeau, as trudeau, canada is often seen as a successful example of progressive action. progressive policies in action. but really the case.7 but is that really the case.7 we're going to meet one of the makers of a new document about the are we too quick to the country. are we too quick to steer sufferers of gender dysphoria towards reassignment surgery .7 we'll be talking to surgery? we'll be talking to someone who transitioned and someone who has transitioned and about particular about their particular experience. and we're going to get latest news from ireland get the latest news from ireland where justice minister says where the justice minister says she have controversial she hopes to have controversial hate passed by hate crime legislation passed by the end of the year. and of course, myself and my fantastic panel will be answering questions from our rather beautiful studio audience and my guest evening are leo guest this evening are leo kearse jonathan cogan . how kearse and jonathan cogan. how are you both ? are you both? >> good, good, thanks. >> good, good, thanks. >> looking dapper as ever. you're always surprised me with the imagination of your shirts. >> yeah. tkmaxx is a wonderland. >> yeah. tkmaxx is a wonderland. >> you shouldn't confessed >> yeah. tkmaxx is a wonderland. >>that. shouldn't confessed >> yeah. tkmaxx is a wonderland. >>that. sh0l should confessed >> yeah. tkmaxx is a wonderland. >>that. sh0l should ccsaidsed to that. you should have said armani. i wouldn't know the difference. are you? difference. how are you? >> my shirt's bit

>> i think my shirt's a bit small. i left it in the airing cupboard for maybe eight weeks, and kind shrunk and now it's kind of shrunk a little your excuse? little bit. is that your excuse? it my excuse. i think i've it is my excuse. i think i've just put on a bit of weight. i stopped keto. it's fine. >> you're festively plump now we're going to get questions from studio audience. from our studio audience. our first where first question from paul where is paul is paul? hi paul. >> should celebrities be named when an allegation when those an allegation of a sexual offence? when those an allegation of a sex now, zfence? when those an allegation of a sex now, of1ce? when those an allegation of a sex now, of course, this been >> now, of course, this has been the big news this week that russell has been accused russell brand has been accused of and emotional of sexual assaults and emotional abuse. a joint abuse. this was a joint investigation the sunday investigation by the sunday times, channel investigation by the sunday times,dispatches. channel investigation by the sunday times,dispatches. russell nnel investigation by the sunday times,dispatches. russell brand four's dispatches. russell brand strongly all these strongly denies all these allegations fact, perform allegations and in fact, perform last night wembley, went last night at wembley, went ahead it . leo anonymity was ahead with it. leo anonymity was what would be the best way to handle this kind of thing. what do you think? >> think celebrities >> i don't think celebrities should because >> i don't think celebrities shou with because >> i don't think celebrities shouwith anonymity because >> i don't think celebrities shou with anonymity we because >> i don't think celebrities shou with anonymity we wouldn't >> i don't think celebrities shou this anonymity we wouldn't >> i don't think celebrities shou this media nity we wouldn't >> i don't think celebrities shou this media circus.e wouldn't >> i don't think celebrities shou this media circus. andrldn't >> i don't think celebrities shou this media circus. and my't have this media circus. and my job depends on it. yes. whipped into furore over some prurience over a celebrity sex life for purely selfish reasons. >> it's important that they don't absolutely . right. don't absolutely. right. >> absolutely. but i think due process has to be followed. and it feel like russell

it doesn't feel like russell brand is being treated fairly in this in this case, they've spent over a year before taking the case. had eight days to case. he had eight days to respond . that's that's not fair. respond. that's that's not fair. i think it went through a i think if it went through a court system, would be it court system, it would be it would be much fairer and i think the in this case is the documentary in this case is actually brand the documentary in this case is actualare brand the documentary in this case is actualare all brand the documentary in this case is actualare all these brand the documentary in this case is actualare all these rumoursnd there are all these rumours swirling him. then swirling around him. and then this documentary laid, you know, all case his out and all these case his out and i mean, there's definitely some unsavoury there, you unsavoury stuff in there, you know criminality. yes know possibly criminality. yes possibly some criminality. possibly some some criminality. but you without without but you know, without without having those those allegations tested court , we don't we tested in court, we don't we just don't know. so it's tricky. so this this is really sort of dispelled. the is lifted. dispelled. the mist is lifted. and think russell brand, a lot and i think russell brand, a lot of are saying, well, he's of people are saying, well, he's hardly . hardly savile. >> but it's tricky, isn't it? because ultimately when comes because ultimately when it comes to allegations and to allegations of rape and sexual assault, they're underreported. sexual assault, they're underreport

allegations when they feel they need which couldn't do need to, which they couldn't do if an anonymous if it if it wasn't an anonymous if it only case of a only works in the case of a celebrity. yes, i suppose celebrity. well yes, i suppose so. 50. >> so. so. >> well, i guess that so. well, i guess that that >> okay. well, i guess that that isn't necessarily a microcosm for everything else. can you for everything else. but can you imagine? actually imagine? so he was actually on stage wembley? when stage playing wembley? yes. when that documentary on. the that documentary was on. at the same can imagine the same time. can you imagine the heckles it's heckles that night? well it's been brutal. well, been absolutely brutal. well, i don't it the case, actually. >> i think the audience were very supportive, the team. russell but it's very interesting, isn't it, this this whole thing, i've i've whole thing, because i've i've known who was falsely known someone who was falsely accused well. and completely accused as well. and completely destroyed his life. so it's really think what really difficult. i think what you're saying about due process is emotive, is right. so however emotive, however sensitive and obvious, obviously if someone has committed horrendous committed these horrendous acts will be prosecuted. they should go i'm watching the documentary. >> mean, of the stuff was >> i mean, some of the stuff was coming like, you coming out. i was like, you know, listen to the music. know, i'll listen to the music. he's evil. she's describing his eyes. then my eyes. devil eyes. but then my wife was saying, because wife was was saying, because she's a barrister, she's prosecuted defended prosecuted and defended sexual assault cases. that's that's not how met. but but was how we met. but but she was saying, that was saying, you know, if that was tested, be picked tested, that could be picked apart court, that could be apart in court, that could be shown different shown to have a different

meaning. so this is why due meaning. and so this is why due process is so important. >> by social media is >> and trial by social media is neven >> and trial by social media is never, never, never know. >> good. that's >> it's never good. that's absolutely true. well, let's get another this one another question now. this one from amy. amy, hello. >> i was a sex matters >> hi. i was at a sex matters event with maya forstater and helen joyce in manchester last sunday, and we abuse from helen joyce in manchester last sund.activists/e abuse from helen joyce in manchester last sund.activists as abuse from helen joyce in manchester last sund.activists as left ;e from helen joyce in manchester last sund.activists as left . from trans activists as we left. should a woman be able to listen to a talk about sex and the law without being abused? to a talk about sex and the law witiwell,eing abused? to a talk about sex and the law witiwell, iing abused? to a talk about sex and the law witiwell, i think»used? to a talk about sex and the law witiwell, i think»useiobvious >> well, i think the obvious answer yes. i mean, i saw answer is yes. i mean, i saw that footage, amy. so that was when joyce and maya when helen joyce and maya started people started walking through people screaming f helen joyce and things like this. there's i mean, you were there. so can i ask you what your experience of that was? >> so this wasn't an activist event. >> it's just a bunch of women thinking they were just going to listen to people that they were interested in talking about their perspectives on the law . their perspectives on the law. yes. as we left, we were told we had to go out the back door and the police would meet us, which it seemed came as a bit of a

surprise. well it is surprising for people just gathering to talk, isn't it? we walk down the street and they were like literally like on my back and they were screaming , mostly they were screaming, mostly directed at maya. and helen was directed at maya. and helen was directed to all of us. my friend's name was mentioned. it was quite intimidate shouting. yeah. what personal? well, lots of obviously personal abuse directed at us just for going to a talk about what the law on sex and gender was and how it was changing on a sunday morning. >> this is something we've talked about a lot on the show because something i've noticed and a lot of people, a lot of my guests have noticed is that there is real violence among the rhetoric of militant trans activist. death are activist. its death threats are very common, threats, that very common, rape threats, that kind whereas what kind of thing. whereas what most people civilised society, people in a civilised society, democratic want to democratic society, want to do is and talk about is sit down and talk about issues that when there's conflict, interest . why, conflict, it's of interest. why, jonathan, this is jonathan, do you think this is the it's always the the case, that it's always the case that these these activists

jump case that these these activists jump to violence or jump to threats? >> is it because they don't believe in their argument so they have to threat, you know, threaten violence? >> i is that they don't >> i mean, is it that they don't believe the arguments don't believe that the arguments don't withstand ? me because withstand scrutiny? me because because i always think that violence of last violence is a kind of last resort for someone who's run out of an argument. >> yeah. if you're a sort of having a, you know, insult match for somebody throw for somebody and you throw a punch, lost, you've lost punch, you've lost, you've lost the argument. punch, you've lost, you've lost the argunyeah. i mean, i'm not >> yeah. yeah. i mean, i'm not imagining signs imagining this. i like signs saying decapitate terfs. if that imagining this. i like signs sayi at decapitate terfs. if that imagining this. i like signs sayi at aacapitate terfs. if that imagining this. i like signs sayi at a women'sterfs. if that imagining this. i like signs sayi at a women's rightsif that imagining this. i like signs sayi at a women's rights march or was at a women's rights march or a gay rights march, people would say, down. the say, take that down. what the hell you doing? hell are you doing? >> and also, if you're trying to convince everyone that you really a thought really are a woman and a thought rape and violent rape threats and violent threats, they're threats, i mean, they're not a traditionally feminine form of self—expression. >> no , that is a particularly if >> no, that is a particularly if you're just a bloke in a frock who's dead angry, almost as if. but it does seem as though this is a you know. well, i think, amy, they're not persuading anyone cause. i think anyone of their cause. i think that's that's the thing. so ultimately, certainly ultimately, it's certainly not going anybody going to win over anybody on the fence. going are fence. you're not going to, are you? so ultimately, those who

retain high ground retain the moral high ground and are willing have discussions, are willing to have discussions, hopefully people are willing to have discussions, hope are y people are willing to have discussions, hope are to people are willing to have discussions, hopeare to going people are willing to have discussions, hopeare to going be people are willing to have discussions, hopeare to going be mosteople who are to going be most effective anyway. to effective anyway. we're going to move on to another question. we've got a question from anna. hi anna. hello. we've got a question from anna. hi ishould allo. we've got a question from anna. hi ishould the bbc be playing >> should the bbc be playing songs which condone violence against songs which condone violence agathis is really interesting >> this is really interesting because so rosie murphy, as we all know, has come under fire for and in fact, her record label stopped promoting her new album, hit parade hasn't stopped it, selling incredibly all it, selling incredibly well. all that rosie said was that that rosie murphy said was that she concerns about puberty she had concerns about puberty blockers. yeah, and putting messed kids on puberty messed up kids on puberty blockers. perfectly, perfectly reasonable is in fact reasonable view that is in fact backed by the cast report and backed up by the cast report and the fact the nhs has said, the fact that the nhs has said, you we're going to use you know, we're not going to use these drugs except it's clinical trials. so a completely mainstream view has had the industry activists, go, industry attacker activists, go, go mad. the bbc pulled an entire sort of section on her work, including playing her songs, but they did play a song by a band called dream nails. the song was called dream nails. the song was called they them . and one of the called they them. and one of the lyrics is kick turfs all day don't break a sweat, double

standards. what do you think? >> i mean, absolutely double standards. i would say from the artistic perspective, you should be to write a about be able to write a song about whatever you want. you can have, you cash having you know, johnny cash having a song shooting somebody at song about shooting somebody at the same time, the sentiment behind seems it behind it almost seems like it is cross over into is trying to cross over into mainstream politics. like we were about earlier, were talking about earlier, there threat people there is this threat of people who want to discuss alternate ideas. the casual ideas. well, it's the casual thing turfs, kind thing that kick turfs, that kind of rhetoric is so common and so casual. >> but this is take point >> but this is i take your point about freedom. um, about artistic freedom. um, i think leo, correct me if i'm wrong, but i sort of think that if you are an artist and you do sort edgy stuff, like when sort of edgy stuff, like when the jamaican dancehall artists used killing used to do stuff about killing gay songs, gay people in their songs, i think you are free to do that. but as soon as you do that, you kind yourself from kind of exclude yourself from mainstream. you're not a mainstream. you're not a mainstream artist anymore and you complain you're you can't complain if you're not played right? the played on radio one, right? the bbc, the bbc are telling us what the mainstream is now. >> is the mainstream >> so the bbc is the mainstream and they're saying so if and they're saying no. so if you're woman with with you're a woman with with perfectly rational views perfectly normal rational views being about children,

perfectly normal rational views being concerned about children, perfectly normal rational views being concerned about the dren, being concerned about the medicalisation being concerned about the m a very strange >> that is a very strange development. but it's true. and the playing the bbc, they weren't playing things 1 from from some things on radio 1 from from some of those jamaican songs calling for the deaths gay people. for the deaths of gay people. they weren't doing that. they were there's red were saying, no, there's a red line they are okay line there, but they are okay with a song says violence with a song that says violence against fine. so there against women is fine. so there is i mean, just doesn't say is i mean, it just doesn't say the song smack my the prodigy song smack my up. they but think they they did, but i think they bleeped it. i if i remember rightly, i think they bleeped it. >> smack my dog up. what was it? >> smack my dog up. what was it? >> was it? well, let's not >> what was it? well, let's not say it was, but say explicitly what it was, but yeah, but again, artistic yeah, no, but again, artistic freedom. absolutely sure. and this band, nails, whoever this band, dream nails, whoever they can they can sing they are, they can they can sing about but about whatever they want. but it, seems weird to me it, it just seems weird to me that a mainstream station that a mainstream radio station would it's fine to would then say, it's fine to play would then say, it's fine to play but it's not fine to play that, but it's not fine to play play that, but it's not fine to play sort of acclaimed success play a sort of acclaimed success artist happens to raise artist who happens to raise legitimate concerns about puberty. blocker makes no puberty. blocker it makes no sense yeah, absolutely. puberty. blocker it makes no senand yeah, absolutely. puberty. blocker it makes no senand �*supposed»lutely. puberty. blocker it makes no senand �*supposed»lutbe. >> and art is supposed to be about self—expression and not censoring yourself and rasheem murphy, she wasn't,

murphy, even though she wasn't, she it on album she didn't put it on her album or was on her or anything. it was on her personal facebook page. it personal facebook page. yeah, it was private facebook was a private facebook page. >> it's not like >> it wasn't even it's not like she wanted public debate, she wanted a big public debate, which she's got a snake. which means she's got a snake. >> one of her friends is a snake. yeah. snake. oh, yeah. >> of course. absolutely >> yeah, of course. absolutely okay. well, we've got question okay. well, we've got a question from now. came in from from via email now. came in from amelia. amelia amelia. hello, amelia. amelia says, employ says, do universities employ enough protect free enough staff to protect free speech? now, i saw this article, too. of amazed by too. i was kind of amazed by this because, you know that there have been this there have been all this legislation in legislation going through in terms to terms of universities have to adhere to freedom of speech regulations. now there's regulations. now and there's been that been this study that showed that only two out of 43 top universities employ any staff at all to deal with freedom of speech. all to deal with freedom of speech . that's five members of speech. that's five members of staff in total . well, however, staff in total. well, however, according to alumni for free speech, which is campaigning group 515 staff are employed to deal with equality, diversity and inclusion issues. and what i find often with equality and inclusion, it's incompatible with free speech, actually , with free speech, actually, because you can't have those departments because they're all about censorship. >> yeah, absolutely. whenever

you uke you hear those words like equality always about, you equality is always about, you know, certain groups know, suppressing certain groups and groups and, and elevating other groups and, and elevating other groups and, and inclusion is always about excluding people and diversity is always about having just one acceptable bandwidth of opinion . it's a nonsense. the whole thing is a is a tax. and i think it's going to end up costing you universities and costing culture and society and corporations a huge amount to keep running these departments because all they do, all they do is get in they do, all they do is get in the way of the sort of efficient running of they do and also the terms that they use are the opposite of what they mean. >> they talk about >> so when they talk about diversity, mean diversity, they mean homogeneity. they everyone homogeneity. they mean everyone thinking same way. thinking exactly the same way. so boghossian so like peter boghossian makes this you have this point about if you have a panel this point about if you have a panel, you have a black panel, but you have a black conservative of that's not diverse because he's got diverse because because he's got the opinions. right? right the wrong opinions. right? right so is everyone to so what they want is everyone to have the very narrow, have the right, the very narrow, correct just correct opinion, just in a different outfit. >> basically . >> yeah, basically. >> yeah, basically. >> exactly. so what do you think about this? they be about this? should they be focusing more free speech? focusing more on free speech? >> i'm interested how

>> well, i'm interested how they maintain free maintain it. so surely free speech just having a place speech is just having a place where people can talk or is it security need what it? security they need what is it? free speech is almost the default, right? >> just. no, but the >> it's just. well, no, but the problem universities they problem in universities is they have particular a have unions in particular have a no platforming and what no platforming policy. and what they they often you they do is they often say, you know, can't have this person know, you can't have this person turning security turning up because the security costs high. yes. costs will be too high. yes. that's normal excuse that that's the normal excuse that disincentivise by that. disincentivise it by that. right. what they should be doing. i mean, i gave a doing. i mean, when i gave a talk at gonville and king's college cambridge week college in cambridge the week before, given before, helen joyce had given a talk the same college in the talk at the same college in the same and there were people same room. and there were people outside screaming, banging drums, had sneak drums, and they had to sneak students wanted to go and students in who wanted to go and watch the talk. >> peterson said he >> jordan peterson said he started his in early started doing his talks in early in morning because none of in the morning because none of the protesters turned up at that time. >> that's the m time. >> that's the way to do it. they'll get up before they'll never get up before midday. just do morning events. >> but then you're not going to get people the talk either. get people at the talk either. >> watching. >> watching. >> true. exactly. but >> no, that's true. exactly. but still, would get rid of the still, it would get rid of the activists. we've got one more question this question now in from email. this is and k says, should you is from k and k says, should you avoid prison you've switched

avoid prison if you've switched gender a crime? gender since committing a crime? now, sounds nicola now, that sounds nicola sturgeon. this sounds wait sturgeon. no this sounds wait for it, jonathan. it for it, jonathan. sorry, it sounds like a joke. sounds it sounds like a joke. it's this has happened it's actually this has happened in this week. so in spain this week. so a convicted sex offender was prosecuted now said prosecuted and has now said since prosecution he's prosecuted and has now said since to prosecution he's prosecuted and has now said since to registerrtion he's prosecuted and has now said since to register as n he's prosecuted and has now said since to register as a he's prosecuted and has now said since to register as a woman.; going to register as a woman. and means he's sort of he's and that means he's sort of he's a new person now , so the crime a new person now, so the crime doesn't count anymore and it can start from scratch . do you think start from scratch. do you think that's convincing? >> i that's that's >> no. i mean, that's that's like , i don't know, changing like, i don't know, changing your horoscope or something. >> you probably can't >> i know you probably can't change your horoscope. that's the in. you can't the world we live in. you can't change your horoscope, but you can change your gender. >> you can. can change your gender. >> iou can. can change your gender. >> i identify a sagittarius. >> i identify as a sagittarius. is that allowed? >> i identify as a sagittarius. is tyeah, lowed? >> i identify as a sagittarius. is tyeah, |»wed? >> i identify as a sagittarius. is tyeah, i think is. and >> yeah, i think this is. and it's insulting too. i it's quite insulting too. i mean, say insulting. mean, i say quite insulting. it's insulting his it's massively insulting to his two who are who said, two victims who are who said, you know, just this you know, he's just doing this to of out of out of, you to get out of out of out of, you know, paying for his crimes. >> but even if they transition genden >> but even if they transition gender, that's the same gender, that's still the same person with different person just with a different genden person just with a different gender, according to the whatever. yeah >> i mean, i don't think anyone can take this serious, but the fact that it's been raised as a

possibility, you can't run from police in high heels. >> that's true. yeah. but there's an argument there, isn't it? >> isn't it true that >> i mean, isn't it true that someone this? i'm not someone told me this? i'm not a scientist, but apparently every seven or so, every single seven years or so, every single cell body has been cell of your body has been regenerated. so you are technically so technically a new person. so anything than seven anything i did more than seven years fine. years ago is fine. >> that sort of >> was that sort of a limitation? >> broadmarsh said that it >> broadmarsh that said that it was yeah, that's true. was actually. yeah, that's true. but there's argument there. but there's an argument there. >> mean, personal >> yeah. i mean, personal identity exist any identity doesn't exist in any meaningful it's just meaningful sense. it's all just one cosmic thought. but one big cosmic thought. but that's for another show. >> that's definitely for another show. profession. show. that's part of profession. >> the what do you thinking? yeah. kind of show. yeah. not that kind of show. okay. next on free speech okay. so next on free speech nation. really be the nation. is canada really be the utopia progressive politics utopia of progressive politics that portrayed that it's sometimes portrayed as? going to meet of the as? i'm going to meet one of the co of a fascinating co makers of a fascinating documentary about country co makers of a fascinating doclit'sntary about country co makers of a fascinating doclit's been about country co makers of a fascinating doclit's been viewed country co makers of a fascinating doclit's been viewed over untry and it's been viewed over 2 million times already.

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nation. since justin trudeau began his tenure as prime minister of canada in 2015, the country has been seen by many as one to be admired throughout the world as safe haven, where progressive liberal politics have created an apparent democratic utopia. but is that really the case? a documents made by the telegraph, which examines canada and its approach to issues such as gender ideology, the legalisation of drugs and laws on suicide has already been viewed over 4 million times. let's take a look i >> -- >> canada was a very stable middle class country with reliable institutions to say that's gone is to say almost nothing. >> canada under justin trudeau , >> canada underjustin trudeau, the former british colony , has the former british colony, has sought to position itself as the global bastion of progressive politics. >> we have become a totalitarian . state >> so the documentary is called canada's woke nightmare a warning to the west. it was made by stephen edgington and

alexander mccarron. and stephen joins me now. welcome to the show . so congratulations on the show. so congratulations on the documentary . over 4 million documentary. over 4 million views already. how long has it been out? >> about two weeks. >> about two weeks. >> that's not bad. going it's not bad. that's pretty good. now, i noticed jordan peterson there talking about how canada has fallen. i've spoken to him about very as about that very topic as well. it as though all it feels as though this has all happened quickly. happened very, very quickly. what the worst what was what are the worst aspects you have uncovered aspects that you have uncovered while working film? while working on the film? >> well, mentioned, we >> well, as you mentioned, we looked a variety of looked into a variety of different facing canada different issues facing canada in recent years , and you could in recent years, and you could go back decades. if we can go back decades. and if we can talk about the history where talk about the history of where this all comes from as well, but in particular, the things in particular, the worst things that are facing canada at the moment are they've legalised a hard drugs places like hard drugs in places like vancouver. went to vancouver. so we went to vancouver. so we went to vancouver and they've vancouver over and they've legalised heroin, cocaine, fentanyl in small doses. if you sort of possess them. yes. and there's huge amounts of rise in homeless ness and violent crime. if you walk around the streets of vancouver, you'll see huge amounts of sort of homeless encampments and things like

that, to places encampments and things like that san to places encampments and things like that san francisco to places encampments and things like that san francisco or to places encampments and things like that san francisco or seattle :es encampments and things like that san francisco or seattle in like san francisco or seattle in america . america. >> it's almost like a test >> so it's almost like a test case because people who are for the complete the sort of complete legalisation drugs say legalisation of drugs will say that you would a kind of that you would have a kind of situation where it would be kind of gangsters be of of the gangsters would be out of the would be it the picture, people would be it would more moderate, but it would be more moderate, but it would be more moderate, but it would doesn't work. would work. it doesn't work. >> seen a huge rise. as >> they've seen a huge rise. as i say, in violent crime and homelessness. and in drug overdoses. is overdoses. and what you have is these go to these huge ngos will go to vancouver they'll make vast vancouver and they'll make vast amounts money trying amounts of money trying to supposedly these people. supposedly help these people. but they're sort of but in fact, they're sort of affirming their drug addiction by needles and by handing out needles and handing money these handing out money to these people. huge problem. >> so a lot of people will say and have noted that the canada's government has effectively been kind by an ideology, kind of captured by an ideology, or at least is trying to promote a ideology . and this a particular ideology. and this has particular ramifications for free speech, doesn't it? >> absolutely. you can see >> absolutely. and you can see there are so many different cases. some of cases. and we explored some of those of individuals who those cases of individuals who are and are facing losing their jobs and livelihoods because they support certain political positions. so

i'll give you an example . we i'll give you an example. we spoke to a nurse called amy hamm , has a nurse for over , who has been a nurse for over ten years. she's never had any complaints against her until recently. was supporting recently. she was supporting j.k. rowling . she put up or was j.k. rowling. she put up or was involved in a sort of billboard that supported that said i heart j.k. rowling and she's the kind of positive message you would have obviously have thought. and obviously she's a gender critical person. she's written blogs and things like this about and like this about it. and to members the complained members of the public complained to her board in british to her nursing board in british columbia , and faces columbia, and now she faces losing her nursing licence. so she's a single mother with two children and she's facing losing her entire livelihood because because of her political beliefs, which i think are shared by many people, probably in canada and around the world. >> and we hear kind >> and we hear that kind of thing here every thing happening over here every now and thankfully we've now and then. thankfully we've got like the free speech got groups like the free speech union and normally union who step in and normally resolve these matters. but in canada it's coming the canada it's coming from the government itself. that's the difference here, it? difference here, isn't it? >> in canada, >> well, in canada, the opposition the opposition party, the conservative , has been conservative party, has been fairly on these fairly weak on lots of these

issues, on trans issues, particularly on trans rights and gender ideology. so the conservatives here, at least some of the ministers, may say some of the ministers, may say some platitudes have some some platitudes or have some rhetoric of gender rhetoric in support of gender critical beliefs. but in canada, the conservative party has really been weak this issue. really been weak on this issue. their new leader, pierre poilievre, really tried poilievre, has really tried to avoid issue. issue at avoid this issue. this issue at all i think all all costs. i think all conservative mps in the canadian parliament voted for a law which would stop. we had a similar thing here in the uk, where there was this idea that conversion therapy against transgender people, this sort of stopping conversion therapy. so all voted in all the conservatives voted in favour of that law, b c for i think it was called. yes. so there's a huge problem in canada where, you know, even those on the right supposedly have not been free speech been defending the free speech rights, been defending the free speech rigiwell, is something that >> well, this is something that i've often argued is that i don't is about the don't think this is about the culture. generally is about culture. war generally is about left and right. i mean, in left and right. i mean, over in this it theresa may this country, it was theresa may who was pushing through the gender recognition reform. um, it's as though people don't fully issues. fully understand the issues. when come to conversion when we come to conversion therapy, want to

therapy, they say they want to ban conversion therapy. ban trans conversion therapy. what banning is what they are banning there is any therapeutic any kind of therapeutic investigation into someone, a child particularly, who may suffer from gender dysphoria. most grow up most of those kids will grow up to gay. so actually to ban to be gay. so actually to ban trans conversion therapy is to, in effect, implement gay conversion therapy. but this isn't understood . isn't understood. >> know, and i think that >> you know, and i think that this that gender ideology this idea that gender ideology is kids is also is being pushed on kids is also a huge issue canada. one of a huge issue in canada. one of the people that we spoke to in this documentary, she his child, eight old child, had been eight year old child, had been told that he should dress up in the opposite genders clothing in a school day for the a sort of school day for the next day. and he this chap was from background, an from an indian background, an ethnic minority canada. and ethnic minority in canada. and we spoke to him and his family and were very socially and they were very socially conservative issue . they conservative on this issue. they were unhappy with this. conservative on this issue. they were he unhappy with this. conservative on this issue. they were he took nhappy with this. conservative on this issue. they were he took hisppy with this. conservative on this issue. they were he took his child ith this. conservative on this issue. they werehe took his child out:his. conservative on this issue. they werehe took his child out of;. conservative on this issue. they were he took his child out of the and he took his child out of the school that day. and he told school for that day. and he told us like talking my us they like talking about my indian background when its south asian heritage month . they want asian heritage month. they want me cook my traditional meals, me to cook my traditional meals, the curries and things like that . when it comes to my . but when it comes to my fundamental beliefs about god and and my social

and religion and my social conservative beliefs, they're not interested the school not interested in the school really sort of ostracised him when refused his when he refused to allow his child to do that. >> very interesting that >> it's very interesting that that of thing is happening. that kind of thing is happening. i when jordan i remember back when jordan peterson this peterson first addressed this issue c—16 about, you issue of bill c—16 about, you know, whether he should refer to students by their preferred pronouns, his issue wasn't the issue of politeness. like he said, he would be fine about doing that. it was the fact that there was now legislation on compelling people to do so. and it turns out he was right. because you're getting compelled it turns out he was right. becaus absolutely. >> absolutely. >> there's a law if >> and there's also a law if we're talking about speech we're talking about free speech in canada, the justice in canada, that the justice minister is interested in proposing, is around proposing, and this is around the issue of the indigenous genocide canada . now, this is genocide in canada. now, this is a very complicated issue, but i'll explain it very i'll just explain it very briefly, like, briefly, if you'd like, of course, does link with the course, it does link in with the free speech in canada. the politicians, like justin trudeau, there trudeau, claim that there has been a genocide against the indigenous population historically canada . and the historically in canada. and the reason that they claim that is because laws in kamloops, which is in canada, which is

is a town in canada, which is where we went to for the documentary band, documentary the kamloops band, which is an indigenous group of people a few years ago said that they had found 215 disturbances in the ground using ground penetrating radar . and they penetrating radar. and they claimed that this was evidence of a mass grave site and therefore they claimed that this was a genocide. and they found this these disturbances in the ground next to a residential school . so in canada, they had school. so in canada, they had these residential schools which were mostly set up by the government with the help of the catholic church. and these schools were aimed at of schools were aimed at to sort of help indigenous people integrate into canadian society . there into canadian society. there were abuses in these schools. there were problems like there were in many schools . if you're were in many schools. if you're going back to the 19th century, early 20th century. but the idea that there was a genocide against the children, there's no evidence for that. they've never found bodies. they've never excavated sites. excavated the sites. >> it was widely accepted, though. >> it was. well, what happened was parliament was the canadian parliament actually a resolution

actually passed a resolution saying we must condemn this as a genocide. justin trudeau trudeau urged the pope to condemn this as a genocide, which i believe the catholic church did. so this was this was without any evidence , literally no evidence evidence, literally no evidence other than these ground penetrating radar, which were highly disputed. said, highly disputed. as i said, they've never those they've never dug up those sites. suddenly there was this idea that the that canada committed a genocide. and where this links in with free speech is the canadian justice minister has said, we may ban anyone who denies us the idea that there was a genocide in canada through free speech laws. so they claim that this is equivalent to holocaust denial. and i spoke to a in a school who is a a teacher in a school who is a catholic who questioned that this genocide occurred. he said, no, actually, these children were dying of things like tuberculosis . and within 30 tuberculosis. and within 30 minutes, he told me he was frogmarched out of the school. this was two years ago and he's never taught again. and he's told he never will. i mean, that is absolutely incredible to even compare holocaust, compare it to the holocaust, where abundance of

where there is an abundance of evidence what happened to evidence of what happened to this, where there is actually no evidence all. evidence at all. >> words, the >> in other words, the government sort of saying you government is sort of saying you must faith based must adopt this faith based position. that principle position. i think that principle sort explains much their sort of explains much of their actions board here. actions across the board here. >> think if you look deeper >> i think if you look deeper into this issue of why this is happening, each country has their narrative their own narrative of oppression. so in britain, we like to focus on the empire. this is our great story of guilt . in america, they like to focus on slavery. like focus on slavery. they like to focus on slavery. they like to focus on crow laws. the blm on the jim crow laws. the blm activists i'm talking about in canada, they really have canada, they didn't really have many people historically many black people historically in , so wasn't in that country, so there wasn't really oppression really this big oppression that they so instead they could point to. so instead they could point to. so instead they create new they had to create their new narrative that new narrative narrative and that new narrative focussed on indigenous people and canada's supposed only genocidal policy towards that group. >> but the truth really does matter. and when you've got a government that sort of pushes through the idea that children can be born in the wrong body, that we all have an innate sex soul and the government and everyone along with this everyone must go along with this metaphysical belief. that's a problem, when

problem, particularly when it comes and comes to freedom of thought and freedom belief. freedom of belief. >> i think that >> absolutely. and i think that this back to a more this goes back to a more fundamental with canadian fundamental issue with canadian identity . identity. >> this all happening, >> why is this all happening, particularly the particularly in canada? and the point film was that point of our film was that canada is really a warning to other countries in terms of how excessive wokeism and excessive liberalism, the liberalism, liberalism, the outcomes and think outcomes of that. and i think that partly is because that partly this is because canada's identity as country canada's identity as a country is weak . it came from the is very weak. it came from the british empire. is very weak. it came from the british empire . obviously was british empire. obviously it was a it's of the a colony. it's part of the commonwealth. canadians, the commonwealth. but canadians, the identity of canada itself has historically hasn't been very strong. the only links it has had as nation has been back to had as a nation has been back to britain and ever since the 50s. and maybe you could go before that as well. canadian governments to sort that as well. canadian go distancets to sort that as well. canadian go distance itself to sort that as well. canadian go distance itself from to sort that as well. canadian go distance itself from that sort of distance itself from that british they changed british past. they changed the flag, the anthem, flag, they changed the anthem, they more they would change. more recently, images recently, they've changed images on their passport. so they actually they had images of actually used they had images of actually used they had images of a canadian victory first a canadian victory in the first world war. ridge british world war. vimy ridge british people it. they may people may know it. they may have france, but have been there in france, but i think changed that to think they changed that to pictures of little acorns and squirrels and things. >> which is

>> that's quite cute, which is apparently important to apparently more important to their apparently more important to the so and there's one more issue >> so and there's one more issue i would love to about, and i would love to talk about, and i would love to talk about, and i don't know if we've got very quickly. >> yes. >> yes. >> euthanasia problem as well. canada euthanasia canada has these euthanasia laws. they're going laws. next year they're going to be these be expanding these laws to include mental health. and so you suicide you're you can commit suicide if you're depressed. and we spoke to a veteran who was actually who was asking for disabled ramp in asking for a disabled ramp in her and she was asking the her home and she was asking the government, i have funding government, can i have funding for this disabled and they for this disabled ramp? and they told we don't told her, actually, we don't have money for that. but have the money for that. but have the money for that. but have you considered committing suicide? absolutely incredible. >> think people want to >> i think people will want to watch film . where can watch this film. where can people this film? people see this film? >> watch it on their >> they can watch it on their telegraph's channel, telegraph's youtube channel, telegraph's youtube channel, telegraph's channel. telegraph's youtube channel. >> and called >> there we go. and it's called canada's nightmare. >> there we go. and it's called canaia's nightmare. >> there we go. and it's called cana warning nightmare. >> there we go. and it's called cana warning toiightmare. >> there we go. and it's called cana warning to the :mare. >> there we go. and it's called cana warning to the west. >> a warning to the west. >> a warning to the west. >> stephen edgington, thanks very joining me. >> stephen edgington, thanks very joining me . next very much forjoining me. next on free speech nation, are we too quick to steer sufferers of gender dysphoria towards reassignment surgery ? we're reassignment surgery? we're going to be talking to someone who did transition and now regrets it. and we're also going to be speaking to a former

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>> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. are people being steered toward gender reassignment surgery too quickly ? that is a question quickly? that is a question which is becoming more and more pressing as the cases rise of patients being treated by the nhs for gender dysphoria. there's huge rise over there's been a huge rise over the last decade in the numbers of who want to of young people who want to change gender. but are they pushed towards irreversible surgery too soon? when treatments such as therapy may be a better option? so here to discuss this, i'm joined in the studio by psychoanalyst studio by by the psychoanalyst and lecturer in and former senior lecturer in the and philosophy of the history and philosophy of medicine withers i will medicine, bob withers and i will shortly speaking by video medicine, bob withers and i will shorto speaking by video medicine, bob withers and i will shorto richiezaking by video medicine, bob withers and i will shorto richie heron,3y video medicine, bob withers and i will shorto richie heron, who deo medicine, bob withers and i will shorto richie heron, who has link to richie heron, who has undergone gender reassignment surgery . bob, welcome to the surgery. bob, welcome to the show . can i ask you first, is it show. can i ask you first, is it the case that you think that too many people are being pushed into into surgery when there might avenues might be other avenues available? well it's a complicated question. available? well it's a complicatyoujuestion. available? well it's a complicatyou saytion. available? well it's a complicatyou say pushed, it >> when you say pushed, it suggests that somebody's actually the pushing and actually doing the pushing and sometimes it's the young people themselves that themselves who think that it's going a problem. and going to solve a problem. and my question be, is that

question would be, is that always going to be the case or are there better, less invasive ways of dealing with gender dysphoria? the first and would therapy therefore be a sensible opfion? therapy therefore be a sensible option? can you give a sense of the extent of the increase, though, been though, because it has been quite hasn't quite remarkable, hasn't it? well, i believe it's been a 20 fold increase in young people between 2010 and 2020 or so. it has been massive and particularly the increase in biological females. so we all know that girls traditionally have found puberty and the female body, when it becomes adult, quite difficult . and if adult, quite difficult. and if you couple that with autism , you couple that with autism, then there seems to me to be a problem link between the difficult t growing up, the prevalence of autism and being female, and that should be investigated as one possible reason why there's been a rise in the number of girls who's seeking a diagnosis with gender dysphoria . and obviously those dysphoria. and obviously those girls , if they do have surgery girls, if they do have surgery and hormones , it's not going to

and hormones, it's not going to necessarily solve their unease with their bodies . in fact, it with their bodies. in fact, it might make it worse. it might leave them sterile and not functioning sexually. and feeling worse about themselves. well, i'd like to bring in richie heron at this point. >> richie, are you are you there 7 >> richie, are you are you there ? 0h >> richie, are you are you there ? oh hi. hi, richie. so for those who don't know your experience , it'd be quite good experience, it'd be quite good if you could just briefly explain to us what happened to yourself . yourself. >> yeah, sure . um, i >> yeah, sure. um, i transitioned as an adult at the age of 26. um and at the gender clinic . um, i age of 26. um and at the gender clinic. um, i think my first appointment was january 2015. then after a 15 month wait and the first question i got asked by the psychiatrist was , do by the psychiatrist was, do i want surgery? to which i responded, no. i think i want some therapy. so funnily enough, they give me therapy at the gender clinic. now i say therapy. it's a gender affirmation therapy . so any affirmation therapy. so any doubt affirmation therapy. so any douth affirmation therapy. so any doubt i had was my managed and i

was introduced to concepts like inaya , internalised transphobia inaya, internalised transphobia , cissexism , and any sort of , cissexism, and any sort of doubt that i had, i had to bring to the table. but once i had that initial diagnosis of a ism, i was essentially told that, um, every thing is all related to trans. there's no possibility that it's related to anything else . i brought up the concept else. i brought up the concept of my obsessive thoughts of being diagnosed with ocd since before the clinic , the before the clinic, the possibility of autism . and i was possibility of autism. and i was told at the very beginning that l “0, told at the very beginning that , no, um, you can be trans and have ocd, but when i actually had the surgery in 2018, after rejecting it several times , i rejecting it several times, i told them immediately i regretted it and i was told it was because of the ocd. so so it felt like i was in this

impossible. since trio with the gender clinic that that i was the one who was doing the questioning quite rightly, because as bob said, it is patient led and so it should remain like that. but if i'm presenting a doubt, then i think that should be heard properly. and also when we really talk about the pathway to surgery. so you don't get any information at the gender clinic about surgery , they don't give you any videos , they don't give you any videos , they don't give you any sort of interactions with others who have got it. for instance, i heard about another clinic that in their pre surgery group they they introduced people who had had surgery and the referral list for surgery dropped dramatically . when people dramatically. when people realised what it's like living like this . um, and it is very, like this. um, and it is very, very difficult cult and you only hear maybe tell us some of your experiences of having surgery and i know that you've said that you regret the surgery that you had.

>> could you maybe tell us a bit about that ? about that? >> sure. so i had what's called a penile invasion with scrotal graft, which sounds a lot more horrific than bottom surgery or or srs, because everything gets fluffed up with this language , fluffed up with this language, which is a big problem. the problem. but essentially what that means is my testicles were removed and my penis was inverted , muscles were torn away inverted, muscles were torn away and i've now got a cavity in my crotch that is called a neo vagina . and i knew it was vagina. and i knew it was irreversible at the time, but i was i had a lot of red flags. shall we say, which is one of the reasons why i'm bringing them to task . um, and i think them to task. um, and i think when you sit outside and you're thinking, well, why did you do it in the end, which is a justified question , but when justified question, but when you've got somebody who's very vulnerable, saying, vulnerable, as bob was saying, where you've got this idea that this of make things this will sort of make things better and quite frankly, i was a little bit delusional as well

with what it was going to do because i wasn't given the information to make that real informed choice . i was just told informed choice. i was just told that if you don't get it now, you'll not. you might not be able to get it in a few years anyway, because the wide rumours about the services closing wide, rumours about surgeons retiring and we keep getting told that were the best surgeon ever were and it was very . and it was very. >> can i bring bob in here? actually bob, can i ask about that ? it actually bob, can i ask about that? it sounds from actually bob, can i ask about that ? it sounds from what that? it sounds from what ritchie is saying , that this was ritchie is saying, that this was very much the case, that it was just being affirmed . his initial just being affirmed. his initial belief was continually being affirmed by the individual is concerned. that's dangerous, isn't it? >> it is dangerous. and there is a kind of takeover in my profession of the affirmative therapy where anybody that doesn't that is almost doesn't do that is almost branded being transphobic or branded as being transphobic or attempting to practise conversion therapy . and as conversion therapy. and as i think you said earlier , there's think you said earlier, there's a that if the government a danger that if the government passes kind of passes the wrong kind of conversion therapy ban, exploratory , which would exploratory therapy, which would

have helped people like ritchie in investigate his internalised homophobia , that that could be homophobia, that that could be banned as a form of conversion therapy. >> but some activists will say that for every case like ritchie's, there are people who go and undertake these procedures. and it really helps them. really saves them. >> absolutely true. >> well, that's absolutely true. and who say and there are people who say that. the fact is that the that. but the fact is that the scientific research on it is very, very poor. there's a lot of anecdotal evidence that it helps people because people say that they feel better. but in the 1970s and 80s, i practised as a homoeopath and i saw loads of people who said that they felt better. yes, but it wasn't until i went to university and researched it and a lot of double blind came out double blind trials came out that realised that that people realised that homoeopathy didn't actually do better and that's better than placebo. and that's when i decided to train be when i decided to train to be a psychotherapist. but but it's very likely that are very likely that there are similar effects, which similar placebo effects, which could these could account for these anecdotal accounts of people feeling better as a result of surgery and hormones. >> and richie, it's interesting because we don't hear a lot from

people who have become known as detransitioners, have detransitioners, people who have gone surgery and gone through this surgery and they regret it. why do you think thatis they regret it. why do you think that is ? thatis? >> it's a horrible thing to admit to yourself and the i would say it's self—preservation is a big thing. a lot of the people who i knew in person who went through the surgery, we have had all sorts of problems. and the main one is no sensation , nothing, no adults. it doesn't matter how old you are when you have it and they refer to it again with this flipped up language like being insensate, which means you've got zero sensation in you've got people who are bleeding, people who have constantly getting infections and there are worse ones. and it's very hard to admit that this is difficult or this is something that you've gone through because in some regards, the community polices itself the very cautious about others getting hold of these stories because it might be get used against the community and

to be honest, after four years of being told not to say anything and being told that this was all because of all, it became very isolating . and i became very isolating. and i just thought, i'm going to speak out. people need to be warned. people deserve to know what what it's like and how often it goes wrong , because we get told that wrong, because we get told that cases like mine are extraordinarily , extraordinarily extraordinarily, extraordinarily rare. most people don't regret it . and i know that there are it. and i know that there are people who don't. and i accept that. people who don't. and i accept that . but if they can accept that. but if they can accept that. but if they can accept that people don't regret it, they need to accept that people do to . right. do to. right. >> that's a very important point. i'm so sorry that we are out of time now. but richie heron bob with us, thank you both for joining heron bob with us, thank you both forjoining me. really appreciate it. and still to come on face the nation , my panel, on face the nation, my panel, leo kearse and jonathan cogan will be back to discuss the censorship of books canadian censorship of books at canadian schools. in a minute

welcome back to free speech nation. so leo kearse and jonathan cogan are back with me now. we're going to be taking some more audience questions shortly. but before that, i want to this story about to talk about this story about censorship of books, because a student in toronto to student in toronto returned to school find the school this autumn to find the library half empty. it library shelves half empty. it turned that an attempt to turned out that in an attempt to be inclusive, the school had removed all books published before 2008. and the student thinks more than 50% of the books have gone . leo, did you books have gone. leo, did you see this story? >> yeah, did. >> yeah, it did. >> yeah, it did. >> insane. and apparently >> it's insane. and apparently the removed these books the school removed these books for sake of diversity and for the sake of diversity and inclusion. yes so they're they're worried that outmoded stereotypes or whatever are going to be in the books before this time. but it means they're cutting away a huge amount of cultural heritage. it cultural heritage. you know, it could about the could be something about the japanese.i could be something about the japanese. i think there's a japanese. i think there's a japanese student who said, what about, know, stuff, about, you know, stuff,

reminiscing the reminiscing about about the japanese internment japanese held in internment camps. yes, exactly. in north america. and also, about america. and also, what about things like to kill a mockingbird or 1984? >> what about all of human history? well, human history, thatis history? well, human history, that is a very i mean, it's interesting because i read this article and i saw the criteria and they're talking about, you know, we're going to take books out outdated out that have outdated depictions race depictions of sexuality or race or gender whatever things or gender or whatever things likeand to have settled >> and they seem to have settled on this arbitrary date of 2008. yeah and they said, like anything that going yeah and they said, like an be ing that going yeah and they said, like anbe problematic.iat going yeah and they said, like an be problematic. so going yeah and they said, like an be problematic. so let's ng yeah and they said, like an be problematic. so let's just to be problematic. so let's just let's rid of that. let's just get rid of that. what's theory about what's your theory about basically last harry potter basically the last harry potter book was published two book was published in two thousand seven. thousand and seven. >> i think a direct attack >> i think it's a direct attack on rowling. on j.k. rowling. >> you reckon to do with >> so you reckon it's to do with her? yeah, well, i mean, it could nonsensical. could be. it's that nonsensical. i would suggest for i mean, i would suggest for school libraries, if just school libraries, if they just got rid of books published got rid of any books published since 2008, you'd have a much better experience, since 2008, you'd have a much better you? experience, since 2008, you'd have a much better you? on yerience, since 2008, you'd have a much better you? on the nce, since 2008, you'd have a much better you? on the whole, wouldn't you? on the whole, absolutely, be absolutely, yeah. that would be a way of doing it. a much better way of doing it. what situation we're what a strange situation we're in anyway, that is the end of the free speech the first hour on free speech nation. we've still

nation. apparently we've still got more time. any other thoughts that? thoughts on that? leo >> if we just banned every >> what if we just banned every book? that could be a thing that you only have your phone, you no problem. >> the rewriting books >> and also the rewriting books apparently somebody is doing a feminist reinterpretation of 1984, which literally rewrite 1984, which is literally rewrite history, which in the book. history, which is in the book. but probably isn't it all you have to what they call have to change what they call the oompa—loompas nowadays. have to change what they call the oonthey've mpas nowadays. have to change what they call the oonthey've changed nadays. have to change what they call the oonthey've changed the ays. >> like they've changed the sensitivity, have sensitivity, readers have changed instead of like changed it. instead of like short now short orange savages, it's now essex a brutal essex girls. it's like a brutal it's the exact same thing . it's the exact same thing. >> i i've got some material. >> to be fair, i think you could rewrite a book like 1984. from a feminist perspective. john reese rewrite a book like 1984. from a femthat perspective. john reese rewrite a book like 1984. from a femthat with pective. john reese rewrite a book like 1984. from a femthat with jane ye. john reese rewrite a book like 1984. from a femthat with jane eyre,1n reese rewrite a book like 1984. from a femthat with jane eyre, wrote se did that with jane eyre, wrote wide sea. i think wide sargasso sea. i think artistically do that. artistically you can do that. i think that's absolutely my think that's absolutely fine. my problem they start sort problem is when they start sort of censoring existing books like they censored version of they did a censored version of mark finn. mark twain's huckleberry finn. yeah publishing yeah they the publishing house that said that publishes dr. seuss said that publishes dr. seuss said that the titles would no that six of the titles would no longer be available during the shoe. no longer that's not what longer be available during the sho called. ynger that's not what longer be available during the sho called. jonathant's not what longer be available during the sho called. jonathan what: what longer be available during the sho called. jonathan what is'hat it's called. jonathan what is wrong just saying to kids wrong with just saying to kids and saying teaching kids that actually be trends actually be ethical trends change, change things that they used to publish are no longer

acceptable. now would that be that hard? kids do understand that. they do get it. >> might look at the stuff >> kids might look at the stuff that used be published and that used to be published and the ethics of the past and be like, that's better the like, that's better than the ethics got ethics we've got now. >> they might do. so it's >> yeah, they might do. so it's a it's a dangerous thing. >> okay, well, look, is the >> okay, well, look, that is the end our time here we are end of our time here we are coming back very, very shortly. we've audience we've got lots of great audience questions and some questions coming up and some fantastic going fantastic interviews we're going to peaceful to be talking about peaceful protests canada. hate crime to be talking about peaceful protein. canada. hate crime to be talking about peaceful protein ireland. da. hate crime to be talking about peaceful protein ireland. andiate crime to be talking about peaceful protein ireland. and ofe crime to be talking about peaceful protein ireland. and of course, laws in ireland. and of course, our audience will be our studio audience will be asking more questions as well. but we've got but before that, we've got jonathan the jonathan with the weather, the temperatures rising, boxt solar, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. hope you are able to enjoy the weekend. although the rather damp end for many of us is setting us up for what's to come dunng setting us up for what's to come during the new working week. even into the end of sunday, some heavy thunderstorms

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gb news. >> there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation this week. this brilliant studio audience will shortly have more questions for myself, leo kearse and jonathan cogan. but first, let's get a news update from ray addison . addison. >> thanks, andrew. our top stories this evening, the met police says it will speak to channel 4 and the sunday times after claims of rape and sexual assault were made against the comedian russell brand. a

warning for those watching on television. the following footage contains flashing images . in a statement, the force said it was aware of media reports of a series of allegations and urged anyone who believes that they've been victim of a sexual assault to get in touch. comes assault to get in touch. comes as the bbc channel 4 and a production company behind shows hosted by brand in the mid 2000, launched their own urgent reviews. russell brand denies any criminality and insists that all of his relationships have been consensual . all of his relationships have been consensual. claims that labour wants the uk to join the eu's migrant quota scheme are complete garbage. that's according to sir keir starmer, the labour leader had indicated that he'd been open to working with brussels on managing channel crossings, which may involve taking in some asylum seekers . but sir involve taking in some asylum seekers. but sir keir involve taking in some asylum seekers . but sir keir says that seekers. but sir keir says that would be as part of a deal to return channel migrants. immigration minister robert jenrick says that labour's approach would mean 100,000 more illegal migrants in britain each

year. illegal migrants in britain each year . liz truss will claim that year. liz truss will claim that rishi sunaks government has spent £35 billion more than she would have done . speaking at the would have done. speaking at the institute for government , the institute for government, the former pm will defend her time in charge. nearly a year after the mini—budget that to led her resignation. according to the telegraph, ms truss will claim that under her plans , £18.4 that under her plans, £18.4 billion would have been saved this year and next. while wales has become the first country in the uk to introduce a 20 mile an hour speed limit for residential roads, the welsh government says that cutting the limit from 30mph will protect lives and save the welsh nhs. £92 million a year. the welsh tories disagree. they say the decision will slow down emergency services and negatively impact people's livelihoods . and people's livelihoods. and finally, the met office says that more than a month's rain could have fallen by the end of today. could have fallen by the end of today . a yellow warning is in today. a yellow warning is in place across south—west england

and south wales . meanwhile, an and south wales. meanwhile, an amber weather warning for thunderstorms was in place across parts of devon and somerset , across parts of devon and somerset, but that's across parts of devon and somerset , but that's now across parts of devon and somerset, but that's now ended, although severe flash flooding was reported in the devon towns of dawlish and kenton. flights have also been cancelled at exeter airport . but this have also been cancelled at exeter airport. but this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now let's get back to free speech nation . to free speech nation. where welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. >> so let's get some more questions from this fantastic studio audience. our first question is from robin, where is robin? hello >> can the public be safe if the general medical council is run by doctors who have so thoroughly forgotten their training that they no longer have any memory of basic anatomy? >> okay. so if anyone didn't

hean >> okay. so if anyone didn't hear, can the public be safe? if the gmc is run by doctors who have forgotten their training, don't anatomy? now, have forgotten their training, don'is anatomy? now, have forgotten their training, don'is because anatomy? now, have forgotten their training, don'is because the 1atomy? now, have forgotten their training, don'is because the general now, this is because the general medical council has swapped the word neutral terms in word mother for neutral terms in its maternity guidance for staff. so they're basically saying leave out the term mother, don't use the term mother. this is an internal document. it refers to surrogate parents instead of parents in front instead of surrogate mothers. >> this maternity guidance , it's >> this maternity guidance, it's still guidance, still called maternity guidance, which , isn't it? which is problematic, isn't it? >> a wacky. i mean, >> sounds a bit wacky. i mean, this odd this is this is an odd one. this is actually something that has actually just something that has been across board been rolled out across the board at various sort of nhs trusts. i mean, what do you make of this, neil it's ridiculous. >> i think it's all >> i mean, i think it's all those equality, diversity and inclusion they inclusion coordinators that they hired. do something hired. they need to do something to their salaries. so to justify their salaries. so they're take they're like, yeah, we'll take out and replace out the word mother and replace it with whatever it is. egg producing aviator, you know, type, . i don't know. type, leg person. i don't know. it's ridiculous. and it's not helping anybody because i mean, it's tiny proportion of people it's a tiny proportion of people who are who identify as men, but will get pregnant. yeah. and it's a lot of mothers who will

be women will be upset about not being referred to as mothers. a lot of campaigners have also pointed out that if your second language is english and you've been you're a document language is english and you've beerityou're a document language is english and you've beerit talks a document language is english and you've beerit talks about, a document language is english and you've beerit talks about, youiocument language is english and you've beerit talks about, you know,3nt and it talks about, you know, bipedal or bipedal gestation units or whatever, don't that whatever, you don't know that phrase , but you do know. phrase, but you do know. >> woman yeah. woman is something >> woman yeah. woman is sonyeah.g >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so that is one of the upsides. it's mildly discriminatory , which you are discriminatory, which you are all for, but . all for, but. >> jonathan this is where, i mean, isn't it just really anti women? they're not doing this with mean, i know it's with men. i mean, i know it's that men aren't men aren't called prostate. havers or, you know . know. >> well, yeah, no, i always have this sort of recurring image of a bunch of, like, frat boys who would traditionally be sexist, but using all the proper terms, like, yeah, i've hooked up like, oh yeah, i've hooked up with or the other night. >> it's it kind of is >> it's like it kind of is a double standard. >> no, but this is right because the is like menstruators the phrase is like menstruators tampax the phrase who tampax use the phrase people who bleed. all people. >> that's all people. >> that's all people. >> these are. these are kind. yeah there's that. >> these, these said >> but these, these if you said to a misogynist, can you come up

with the most misogynist phrases, up with phrases, they would come up with all progressive all this progressive stuff. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> wondering, wondering >> i'm wondering, i'm wondering if one of these if hired there's one of these equality, diversity and inclusion coordinators. equality, diversity and inclusion cyou inators. equality, diversity and inclusion cyou probably could. >> i think you probably could. >> i think you probably could. >> my dream job. >> yeah. there's my dream job. >> yeah. there's my dream job. >> well, there go. can you >> well, there we go. can you think of any now, leah? >> oh, no, don't ask him that, because i'll have to apologise. we're move on to a we're going to move on to a question via email question which came in via email from is here tonight from twilo, who is here tonight as well. that's but emailed as well. that's odd, but emailed as well. that's odd, but emailed as thanks. hello. as well. okay, thanks. hello. the was, do you believe the question was, do you believe in aliens? yes >> sorry. right. >> sorry. right. >> just saying yes. >> you're just saying yes. >> oh no, i do. >>— >> oh no, i do. >> man. >> oh no, i do. >>.man. so. i >> oh man. there's so. i mean, do i? i'm like 85. sorry. did your question. sorry. i jumped ahead. >> apparently. whose twilo are your twilo? so apparently your twilo? so? so apparently the aren't working. suella the mics aren't working. suella that's this has happened. so that's why this has happened. so aliens, there's a lot of aliens, i mean, there's a lot of chat at the moment. >> it has, but there has been. if you go in the right place of the internet, there's lot. if the internet, there's a lot. if you the right was the you go down the right was the dark web. yeah, i've been banned from but yeah, no, from there. now but yeah, no, it's there's so much now. i'm not 100% believe it, but not saying 100% believe it, but there's lot compelling there's a lot of compelling anecdotal there's

anecdotal evidence. there's a lot wait a minute. >> wait a minute. >> wait a minute. >> this seems like the russell brand. >> but yeah. what are we going to talk about? the aliens. yeah you've like jonathan. you've got like a jonathan. >> they've been >> wait a minute. they've been talking in congress. talking about it in congress. they've been talking about the idea recovered they've been talking about the idea mexico recovered they've been talking about the idea mexico they'veed they've been talking about the idea mexico they've talked ships mexico and they've talked about bodies. they've recovered bodies. this has been bodies. right. but this has been this clearly not this is clearly not true. >> why? >> why? >> do we know? >> how do we know? >> how do we know? >> because i've seen jacob. >> no. >> no, no. >> no, no. >> there might aliens. >> there might be aliens. i accept that. that's a possibility. i suggest that. well, put it this i well, let's put it this way. i would need see some evidence. would need to see some evidence. ineed would need to see some evidence. i need to prod alien flesh. i need to prod some alien flesh. >> evidence would need? >> what evidence would you need? >> what evidence would you need? >> i mean, the way >> and also the. i mean, the way the world is. i don't care if there's aliens, really. there's crazier stuff happening right here crazier stuff happening right herwe just don't like illegal >> we just don't like illegal aliens, okay. >> but look, get >> but look, let's get a question twitter. this question now from twitter. this one is from gordon gordon on twitter. says, twitter. gordon on twitter says, should antiques ask should antiques roadshow ask guests repatriate their guests to repatriate their possessions? this was possessions? okay. so this was a sort of an odd for antiques sort of an odd one for antiques roadshow you know what? roadshow because you know what? normally come normally happens? people come along that along with some old vase that they've attic they've had in their attic for years. was actually coat years. this was actually a coat or gown which used to belong

or a gown which used to belong to haile selassie , the ethiopian to haile selassie, the ethiopian leader . and to haile selassie, the ethiopian leader. and this was given to two granddaughters of sir harold kittermaster, who was the former governor and they brought this along and the expert, the antiques expert said to them, if there's a call for this garment to be repatriated , covid, would to be repatriated, covid, would you be happy to do that? now that's quite a politicised question. it's quite interesting. puts them on the spot a little bit because if they say no, they could look pretty couldn't yeah, pretty bad, couldn't they? yeah, but smart they can but if they're smart they can say yeah. >> s and then when the call comes no. comes say 110. >> comes say no. >> so so, so say yes on >> yeah. so so, so say yes on antiques roadshow on bbc prime time they can pledge it and then just keep coat then. just keep the coat then. >> somebody knocks on >> yeah. when somebody knocks on the just don't answer the door just don't answer because that bit won't be televised. >> that's way do it. >> so that's the way to do it. interesting though, interesting question, though, jonathan, because interesting question, though, jolot han, because interesting question, though, jolot of1, because interesting question, though, jolot of museums because interesting question, though, jolot of museums are because interesting question, though, jolot of museums are talkinge a lot of museums are talking about repatriating various things. we've debates about things. we've had debates about the whether the elgin marbles and whether they back athens. the elgin marbles and whether thyyour back athens. the elgin marbles and whether thyyour what's back athens. the elgin marbles and whether thyyour what's your< athens. the elgin marbles and whether thyyour what's your view ithens. the elgin marbles and whether thyyour what's your view onens. is your what's your view on that? do you think it's all greek to me? >> andrew? >> andrew?

>> it's okay. >> it's okay. >> that's a good, good way out of no, no. >> that's a good, good way out of what no, no. >> that's a good, good way out of what do no, no. >> that's a good, good way out of what do i no, no. >> that's a good, good way out of what do i think?). >> that's a good, good way out of what do i think? no, i know >> what do i think? no, i know there's keepers. that's what find. >> previously we've, you know, the britain has said like, look, it's that stuff was it's good that this stuff was here you know, yes, we here because, you know, yes, we sort of took it from, from north africa or wherever it came from. but then, you know, there's been political we've but then, you know, there's been polit you we've but then, you know, there's been polit you know, we've but then, you know, there's been polit you know, we've we've but then, you know, there's been polit you know, we've seen ve but then, you know, there's been polit you know, we've seen the had, you know, we've seen the taliban other people blowing had, you know, we've seen the talstatues other people blowing had, you know, we've seen the talstatues and|er people blowing had, you know, we've seen the talstatues and idolsople blowing had, you know, we've seen the talstatues and idols and blowing up statues and idols and whatever. when whatever. yes so it's safe when it's in britain. but now that it's in britain. but now that it's been revealed that british museum staff just nick and museum staff are just nick and stuff selling it ebay. stuff and selling it on ebay. yeah, up so well. >> that's actually true. the things have missing at the things have gone missing at the british so. british museum, so. >> enough. okay right. our >> fair enough. okay right. our next question also from our twitter coming twitter feed. this one's coming from says, from shirley. shirley says, should vat to school should labour add vat to school fees they next fees if they win the next election? this was one of the announcements this week. election? this was one of the ann

of thinks, why we just go of thinks, why don't we just go back the grammar school back to the grammar school system, which really benefited talented class people. talented working class people. am i wrong about that? >> no, i mean that was a great system. and also, should be system. and also, we should be you people should be you know, people should be allowed educate their allowed to educate their kids at private really private schools and it's really immoral tax those people immoral to then tax those people because those people have have paid place, a state school paid for a place, a state school for their kid. not for their kid. they're not taking place. they're taking that place. so they're just giving money to the just giving that money to the government to pay for other kids to educated. and then they're government to pay for other kids to (they're 1. and then they're government to pay for other kids to (they're paying:hen they're government to pay for other kids to (they're paying on] they're government to pay for other kids to (they're paying on topzy're government to pay for other kids to (they're paying on top toe again, they're paying on top to educate kids. and then educate their own kids. and then the then wants tax the government then wants to tax that money as well. the government then wants to tax tha yeah,ey as well. the government then wants to tax tha yeah, ey a thomas the government then wants to tax tha yeah,ey a thomas says the government then wants to tax tha yeah,ey athomas says he's >> yeah, but thomas says he's not against private education per just sort of saying per se. he's just sort of saying that the richest people should per se. he's just sort of saying thatmore.chest people should pay more. >> but then the actual tax itself will actually end up costing money costing the government money because people are just because a lot of people are just sort know, sort of borderline. you know, they're sort of they're stretching themselves to put their kids into private their kids into into private school and then get that of school and then get that sort of better life. so if they better start in life. so if they have pay tax on top, they have to pay tax on top, they won't able they'll pull won't be able to. they'll pull their kids out of school and then the state will have to pay to educate kids . so it's

to educate those kids. so it's going end costing the going to end up costing the government. i it's about going to end up costing the govbillion.t. i it's about going to end up costing the govbillion.t. was it's about going to end up costing the govbillion.t. was met's about going to end up costing the govbillion.t. was me insteadt going to end up costing the govbillion.t. was me instead of saving. >> i'd love to think money. >> i'd love to think money. >> love think that state >> i'd love to think that state schools, state schools, in my view, should be as good as private schools. view, should be as good as private should. they should >> you should know they should be. that's a great one. no, tell he's a comedian. >> you should the level >> you should get the same level of but having of education. but having speaking of who speaking of someone who was educated school, at a educated at a state school, at a comprehensive i at comprehensive but i taught at a private school, difference private school, the difference is remarkable . mean, is quite remarkable. i mean, the school taught if a kid school i taught at, if a kid forgot his homework or didn't do his homework, there was an emergency and all the emergency meeting and all the stuff. did stuff. like what? i never did homework in whole time at homework in my whole time at school. just it. and school. i just never did it. and the didn't care. the teachers didn't care. >> but you're a smarty. >> yeah, but you're a smarty. that's easy. dumbos have to do the. the maths. >> what sort of school did you go to? >> everyone thinks i went to a private school. >> don't. >> no, i don't. >>— >> no, i don't. >> because you just said that maths thing. yeah. >> went to. i went to a school maths thing. yeah. >> was|t to. i went to a school maths thing. yeah. >> was kind i went to a school maths thing. yeah. >> was kind of/ent to a school maths thing. yeah. >> was kind of like to a school maths thing. yeah. >> was kind of like had school maths thing. yeah. >> was kind of like had to 100l that was kind of like had to sets. had like the smart kids sets. it had like the smart kids who got in through the exam and then the smart kids who got in because older sister, because my older sister, their older in the

school. >> oh, okay. nepotism going on nepotism. >> yeah. so like, we had the dumb kids and we had the smart kids. >> they didn't call them that, though, they? sets. though, did they? were two sets. yeah cone hats on. yeah hats, big cone hats on. wow. grim. >> i don't know. but it would be great, wouldn't it, if everyone could the same education, could have the same education, the opportunities. could have the same education, the thinkypportunities. could have the same education, the think somejnities. could have the same education, the think some people don't could have the same education, the �*want some people don't could have the same education, the �*want there people don't could have the same education, the �*want the sameple don't could have the same education, the �*want the same education. don't want the same education. >> just need >> i think some people just need to basic skills to get to get the basic skills to get through and go like through life and then go like i went i went went to school went to. i went i went to school in scotland. so you in south—west scotland. so you know, of of were know, a lot of lot of kids were just going to go work in a farm or whatever. so they just needed to to read what to be able to read what fertiliser poisons fertiliser said and what poisons said. so yeah, said. that you know. so yeah, the system is the grammar school system is great you know, great because then, you know, the can be the other people can be separated and not get. separated out and not get. >> genuinely understand >> i genuinely don't understand the argument against grammar schools. don't like the argument against grammar schools.from don't like the argument against grammar schools.from

was institute was kicked out of the institute of accountants of chartered accountants because he dad's he paraphrased a joke from dad's army. and this is captain mannering's joke. know, he mannering's joke. you know, he says stupid boy says he calls pike a stupid boy and him a stupid says he calls pike a stupid boy and and him a stupid says he calls pike a stupid boy and and there him a stupid says he calls pike a stupid boy and and there was him a stupid says he calls pike a stupid boy and and there was anm a stupid says he calls pike a stupid boy and and there was an argumenti boy. and there was an argument at work he said something at work and he said something along of, in words at work and he said something al i think he might have just been sexist. and then been being sexist. and then applying this joke after applying this this joke after words. it's like hitting somebody and be somebody in a frying pan and be like, no, i'm just doing that joke jerry. like, no, i'm just doing that jok

question email, this is question also on email, this is from , who a 20 mile an from warren, who is a 20 mile an hour speed and attack on hour speed limit and attack on motorists. wales motorists. so from today, wales is becoming the first country in the uk to reduce speed limits in built up areas to 20 miles an hour was miles hour. you hour was 30 miles an hour. you know happened in know that it's happened in london. of course, in the central london. anyway, now you're sort of creeping along at 20 mile hour. be doing 20 mile an hour. i'll be doing that after i leave tonight. that after i leave here tonight. i don't i actually have to say, i don't mind when i'm sort of mind it. like when i'm sort of driving used driving around, i've got used to it and sort okay. it now and it's sort of okay. >> more leisurely, i feel >> it's a more leisurely, i feel a bit calm. okay. >> it's a more leisurely, i feel a byeah, calm. okay. >> it's a more leisurely, i feel a byeah, i calm. okay. >> it's a more leisurely, i feel a byeah, i think okay. >> it's a more leisurely, i feel a byeah, i think it'say. >> it's a more leisurely, i feel a byeah, i think it's fine. >> yeah, i think it's fine. i mean, if you're in a rush, if i had a pregnant wife in the car. yeah, be an issue at yeah, that might be an issue at that but that's unlikely i >> -- >> fair enough. yeah. >> you enough. yeah. >> you know. h. yeah. >> you know. yealnh. >> you know. yeah she take >> you know. yeah she can take the but. the tube, but. >> . >> exactly. >> exactly. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> what do think? i think >> no, what do i think? i think it's quite funny that it's happening, but i i'm happening, but i think i'm against happening, but i think i'm agawhy? because i don't >> why? just because i don't like it's stop like meddling. it's just stop meddling my car. leave my car alone. >> but wait a minute, jonathan. there is metal to the pedal. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> can i put another argument here? if you. okay, leo, i'll put you then. if you do put it to you then. if you do reduce speed limit to 20

reduce the speed limit to 20 miles people will miles an hour, fewer people will die. a fact. die. that is a fact. >> if you reduce it to >> yeah. and if you reduce it to zero, nobody's going die. zero, nobody's going to die. >> let's then. but >> let's do that then. but nobody's to where nobody's going to get to where they they they want to go. but they can walk. >> w- walk. >> could walk. >> they could walk. >> they could walk. >> could take a penny. >> they could take a penny. farthing. could take farthing. yeah, they could take a bike or something, right? >> i know. right? >>| m" m“ right? >> i of k|roads there's the right? >> i of k|roads there's a1e right? >> i of k|roads there's a road some of the roads there's a road in london. in north london. there's basically surrounded farmland basically surrounded by farmland or, parkland and it's or, you know, parkland and it's 20 miles an hour and driving down it and it's a straight road as you've to drive at as well. you've got to drive at 20 i'm worried 20 miles an hour. i'm worried i'm picked up for i'm going to get picked up for kerb crawling. it's ridiculous. why is this happening wales? why is this happening in wales? >> particularly >> i wonder why particularly wales? i know. wales? i don't know. >> they. they drink, >> maybe they. maybe they drink, drive there. drive a lot there. >> as part of >> so maybe it's as part of their culture. yeah. >> so maybe it's as part of the okay.jre. yeah. >> so maybe it's as part of the okay. well,eah. on >> okay. well, next on free speech be speech nation, we will be crossing the pond about crossing the pond to learn about a march and a 1 million person march and peaceful protest taking place in canada this week. >> called leave kids >> it's called leave our kids alone. it's about the indoctrination of children into gender , ideology. and gender identity, ideology. and we're going to be to we're going to be speaking to one speakers at one of one of the speakers at one of those events. do not anywhere those events. do not go anywhere near

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>> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. we discussed canada earlier on the program and the sorry, there will be a protest at this week across canada peaceful protest called leave our kids alone. the organisers say that these rallies are for families, parents and anyone concerned about the impact of gender identity, ideology and legislation on children. the eventis legislation on children. the event is grassroot , organised, event is grassroot, organised, will feature speakers and rallies at various locations, followed by a march with the emphasis on it being peaceful and family friendly. emphasis on it being peaceful and family friendly . the writer and family friendly. the writer and family friendly. the writer and journalist meghan murphy will be speaking at one of the rallies. joins me now live rallies. she joins me now live from san francisco. megan, thanks joining us on the thanks for joining us on the show. could you tell us a little bit and bit about these protests and what about ? right. what they are all about? right. >> it's the 1 million >> yeah. so it's the 1 million person march for kids. they're happening all across canada, which is really amazing because unfortunately , canada has lagged unfortunately, canada has lagged very far behind in the fight

against gender identity , against gender identity, ideology and it's about parental rights . it's about what they're rights. it's about what they're teaching kids in school. so in canada, across canada , across canada, across canada, across provinces, kids are being taught gender identity, ideology , erg gender identity, ideology, erg in some cases, they're being socially transitioned at school without their parents knowledge . and parents have had enough . . and parents have had enough. and we're going to come out to protect the kids . protect the kids. >> we've heard some pretty disturbing stories from canada. ideas of compelled speech parents being forced to use language about their children that they don't want to use, and indeed to encourage them to transition escalating to transition even escalating to criminality . transition even escalating to criminality. is it just that canada has kind of crept into an authoritarian, an authoritarian way of thinking ? way of thinking? >> i think so. i mean, justin trudeau's liberal party sort of has run amok with their own agenda and is not engaging the population in their thoughts or concerns. and this happened way back in 2016 when trudeau's

liberal party presented bill c—16 , which was canada's gender c—16, which was canada's gender identity legislation. a few of us tried to push back. we were completely ignored and railroaded with this legislation, which became further policies, including things like sogi, which is the curriculum that teaches kids of all ages in public schools across canada about gender identity ideology. it teaches kids that every kid has a gender identity. it instructs teachers to ask every student about their pronouns in the classroom . and pronouns in the classroom. and again, parents don't have any say and often don't even have any knowledge . so kids at any knowledge. so kids at school, for example, will decide that, you know, now i'm a girl and now i want to be called mary. and somewhere down the line, parents will find out and they haven't been informed. and it's dangerous . it's quite dangerous. >> s now in this country , we >> s now in this country, we have a law that will prevent political indoctrination in schools, although it's not always applied properly , but always applied properly, but it's this is a highly contested idea.theidea

it's this is a highly contested idea. the idea that we all have an innate gendered soul. so the problem really is that the teachers and people in authority in canada are teaching this contested idea as though it's fact.is contested idea as though it's fact. is that right? >> that's right. and you know, i see gender identity, ideology as akin to religion. this is all really faith based as far as i'm concerned. so this belief that you could be a different sex on the inside and the dangerous part, of course, is that if you are a different sex on the inside, then you have to transition your outside through extremely invasive, really dangerous experimental surgeries and through hormones , through and through hormones, through puberty blockers that harm kids for life. there's no turning back from this. there's been this line from the trans activists, from proponents of gender identity, ideology that, you know, taking puberty blockers and going on hormones is temporary. and you can go back, but you can't. and these are minors. these kids cannot consent to something they don't

even understand. these are kids who at this age have no idea whether or not they want to be parents when they get older. they don't understand sexual pleasure. they don't understand that these kinds of surgeries , that these kinds of surgeries, these hormones, this kind of medicalisation action will sterilise them for life, will ensure they can't have , you ensure they can't have, you know, healthy, enjoyable, sexual relationships as adults. and again, i mean, parents, i'm really grateful to these parents because they're finally banding together to fight back against this . but i together to fight back against this. but i would be horrified if i was a parent in canada with with young kids in school today and that they were learning all these and being pushed these things and being pushed into, something that into, again, something that really feels like religion, really feels like a religion, which is entirely inappropriate and wide variety of ways. and a wide variety of ways. >> now , megan, you're going to >> now, megan, you're going to be speaking of these be speaking at one of these events week and one of events this week and one of the activist tactics which we've seen a lot over here as well, is to paint anyone who raises these kinds concerns being kinds of concerns as being hateful , bigoted, hateful, bigoted, unreconstructed, trans phobic. et cetera. even fascist . i mean,

et cetera. even fascist. i mean, they even go that far. have you had any kind of pushback in that kind of way? yeah for many years now i've been speaking out against gender identity, ideology against since around 2016, publicly, in canada, i've been protested by hundreds and thousands. >> i'm in san francisco right now at a women's convention. the women's declaration international, which is a convention for women's rights , convention for women's rights, for the women's movement. it's obvious a peaceful convention. we're hosting panels inside a hotel and we had a tonne of protests outside that were, frankly, terrifying , screaming , frankly, terrifying, screaming, screaming bigots , calling me all screaming bigots, calling me all sorts of other vulgar misogynist names that i'm not going to say out loud screaming my name. we actually i was up on a bridge that was private property attached to the hotel filming what was happening . and about what was happening. and about eight of them scaled the fence to climb over and chase us in an attempt to attack us. and we had to run while the men that we were with fought them off. and

it it was terrifying . they it was it was terrifying. they are totally unhinged. they're totally violent. they're totally misogynistic. and the idea that we would be accused of hate . we would be accused of hate. but, you know, when these people are literally saying hateful things and threatening us with violence simply for speaking about our rights and our beliefs , well, will we ever reach a point where kind sensible point where any kind of sensible discussion can happen here? >> and you mentioned they're discussion can happen here? >> andyou mentioned they're discussion can happen here? >> andyou .�*nentioned they're discussion can happen here? >> andyou . it'stioned they're discussion can happen here? >> andyou . it's quitei they're discussion can happen here? >> andyou . it's quite clear�*re calling you. it's quite clear that opposing the that if you're opposing the medicalisation and sterilisation of kids, many will turn of kids, many of whom will turn out gay, that's not a out to be gay, that's not a policy. so if you've got policy. right. so if you've got this kind of insane hyperbole, how can you penetrate that? how can you move beyond that and get people to talk like adults again about their differences ? about their differences? >> and i'm not sure we can because i've been trying to do this for about ten years now. and trans activists refuse to engagein and trans activists refuse to engage in conversation with me , engage in conversation with me, to debate me to share a panel with me . i think what we're with me. i think what we're trying to do is not necessarily to change the mind of the activists who seem very set in

their ways , regardless of their ways, regardless of reality, regardless of our feelings and safety, regardless of the impact on kids. but i think we're trying to reach the general population, you know, like the normies , as it were, like the normies, as it were, people who might not be aware that this is going on. people who are becoming aware that this is on and want to is going on and want to understand more where be understand more, where may be concerned, want to be concerned, who want to be involved the discussion . i involved in the discussion. i mean, a part of the problem mean, a big part of the problem with ideology, with gender identity, ideology, especially it's played especially as it's played out in canada, has been canada, is that there has been no public discussion . the debate no public discussion. the debate has been almost 100% silent in the media. progressive media in canada, which is most media in canada, which is most media in canada, has been fully on board with this ideology, with these laws, with these policies. the government, of course , no major government, of course, no major party has pushed back so far. it's looking like the conservative party might be starting to push back. we'll see. i hope so because we have nowhere to go. people in canada have nowhere to vote for if they don't support the idea that men can become women through self—declaration or that there's

such a thing as a trans child . such a thing as a trans child. and if there is such a thing as a child, you need to, you a trans child, you need to, you know , send off to the know, send that kid off to the doctor on a bunch of doctor to go on a bunch of hormones and then perhaps get their chopped off. their body parts chopped off. >> why do you think that is? >> and why do you think that is? that opposition that there's been no opposition even mean , even within parliament? i mean, you would thought that the you would have thought that the opposition you would have thought that the oppos up n you would have thought that the opposup and said, we stood up and said, actually, we have at least some reservations about merits discussion. >> you would think so . i think >> you would think so. i think that there's a culture in canada where people are honestly , you where people are honestly, you know, afraid of conflict, afraid of being socially ostracised . of being socially ostracised. there are risks in speaking out of this. you know, i'm in dangenl of this. you know, i'm in danger. i feel afraid. i left my home vancouver because i felt home in vancouver because i felt afraid to around in public afraid to walk around in public because all the threats because of all the threats against me. and there were posters of face around town posters of my face around town with the words folk written on it. et cetera. et cetera. i understand scary. understand that. it's scary. people their jobs over people have lost their jobs over this, speaking out against this, over speaking out against gender , ideology. but gender identity, ideology. but the thing is that i think that if you're standing up for something that's important, there will be risks. there if,

you know, you wouldn't have to do it if there wasn't a risk , it do it if there wasn't a risk, it would already be done. so i think, yeah, i think that canada has a culture where we're afraid to rock the boat and where we're also really complacent sort of, you know, people are like, oh, canada , canada is great, canada canada, canada is great, canada is nice. everything's fine. what could wrong? there's could possibly go wrong? there's a lot of trust in the government which there which should not be there because government is not because the government is not out protect us. and think , out to protect us. and i think, again, we should realised again, we should have realised that there that throughout covid and there insane lockdowns and authority mandates. but yeah, and the fact that they won't engage the population in discussion is so disrespect full. you know, these are supposed to be our representatives. these people are supposed to work for us and, and i've reached out many times . i know many parents have reached out to their mps , to reached out to their mps, to their they their representatives. they refuse even a meeting. it's just it's, you know, it is authoritarian . this is not how authoritarian. this is not how things are supposed to work in a democracy. we there is supposed to public debate. to be public debate. >> quickly, megan, >> well, very quickly, megan, given this looking like

given that this is looking like these events across canada are going well attended, going to be very well attended, do note of optimism do you feel a note of optimism that actually the message is getting out there and people are now they have now more aware than they have been past ? been in the past? >> and i just want to >> i do. and i just want to mention, as i forgot earlier , mention, as i forgot earlier, that these events are happening on on on the 20th on wednesday on on the 20th across canada. so you can find information at our dodi group . information at our dodi group. there's a million cities and towns across canada that there's rallies and marches happening at. so you can for sure find one near you. and it does give me hope.i near you. and it does give me hope. i mean, sometimes it's hard to feel like it's not too late . but i think that the late. but i think that the people have the power. and if we all stand up and we all push back, which it looks like we starting, we are starting to, i think we can make a difference . think we can make a difference. you know, we there's more of us than there are them . and i'm than there are them. and i'm really inspired and i'm really glad to see people organising in canada. it's like incredibly important. >> megan murphy , thanks ever so >> megan murphy, thanks ever so much for joining >> megan murphy, thanks ever so

much forjoining me. >> megan murphy, thanks ever so much forjoining me . next >> megan murphy, thanks ever so much forjoining me. next up on free speech nation, we're going to hear about plans in ireland to hear about plans in ireland to push contentious hate crime legislation through before the end of the year. but first, let's get your latest weather from . from jonathan. >> looks like things are heating up. box spoilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello there. good evening . >> hello there. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . hope provided by the met office. hope you are able to enjoy the weekend . although the rather weekend. although the rather damp end for many of us is setting us for to come setting us up for what's to come dunng setting us up for what's to come during the working week. during the new working week. even end of sunday, even into the end of sunday, some thunderstorms some heavy thunderstorms possible across parts of southeast torrential southeast england. torrential downpours. so take care downpours. so you just take care if travelling there if you are travelling there overnight. elsewhere, the rain will turning more persistent overnight. elsewhere, the rain will heavy ning more persistent overnight. elsewhere, the rain will heavy ning mofor)ersistent overnight. elsewhere, the rain will heavy ning mofor westernt and heavy as well for western scotland. northwest scotland. parts of northwest england, the england, underneath all the cloud . for many us, it cloud around. for many of us, it will rather warm. will be rather warm. temperatures up around temperatures holding up around 12 to 17 c. so very mild start to monday morning and this band of rain in the west will gradually push its way over

towards the east, scooping up some thunderstorms as some of the thunderstorms as well clearing out into well, clearing them off out into the sea . rain most the north sea. rain will be most persistent parts of persistent for parts of north—east scotland. but behind that, there will be some brighter developing brighter intervals developing still with scattering of still with a scattering of rather sharp showers to watch out temperatures out for, though temperatures ranging between 14 and 21 c as we head into the middle parts of the week. another area of low pressure is hot on its heels and wanting to its way in. so wanting to move its way in. so blustery winds developing for a good wales , england and good chunk of wales, england and northern coastal gales northern ireland. coastal gales in places. and it will be bringing band of rain bringing this band of rain initially across northern ireland on tuesday, but ireland at dawn on tuesday, but increasingly way increasingly spreading its way eastwards. generally northwest england, wales seeing the brunt of rainfall far south and of the rainfall far south and far perhaps seeing some far north, perhaps seeing some dner far north, perhaps seeing some drier intervals in places. but still catching some of that rainfall . further showers as we rainfall. further showers as we head wednesday , head throughout wednesday, thursday friday well . by thursday and friday as well. by looks like things are heating up, boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on

radio. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle islands justice minister helen mcentee says she hopes controversial hate crime legislation will be enacted before the end of the year. >> mcentee also pledged that people who misgender someone would up in court under would not end up in court under the provisions of the bill, the justice minister said misgendering was not, quote, a deliberate to spread deliberate intent to spread hatred another person. hatred against another person. however many people still have huge misgivings about what will be covered by this new law. so here to tell us a bit more, i'm joined by the sunday independent columnist david quinn. david, welcome to the show. could you just through with us? what just run through with us? what are some of misgivings about are some of the misgivings about this new hate speech legislation ? >> well, the first thing, andrew, it doesn't define hatred . and it basically says more or less hatred is hatred . um, so less hatred is hatred. um, so there's no clear definition . so

there's no clear definition. so it's completely up to a court to decide eventually what hatred is . so it's extremely nebulous, extremely ambiguous. so that's a huge problem that's been raised even by groups who broadly favour this law. um because they simply don't know how it's going to be interpreted. and the minister is saying that, um misgender ring won't fall under this law because there wouldn't be intention cause hatred. be an intention to cause hatred. actually, under the bill you don't have to intend to cause hatred. you can be considered to be reckless. that is, you didn't properly consider what the effect your speech might be. effect of your speech might be. so can't be certain that so she can't be certain that a misgendering won't come under this law either, and wouldn't be eventually interpreted a eventually interpreted by a court in such way and a former court in such a way and a former justice minister, michael mcdowell, pointed out in the senate , our upper chamber, um , senate, our upper chamber, um, last june that potentially a citizen's arrest could be made under this. that is , you and i under this. that is, you and i are having a conversation . you are having a conversation. you decide. i've said something hateful after this law passes and you could make a citizen's

arrest on me for saying something hateful. now, again , something hateful. now, again, it depends on what a court does. but it really is something else that it's not just police can make arrests on the vista, potentially. citizens can make arrests under this as well. and also, they can seize your computer or laptop or phone or other electronic device out of concern that you are about to release something hateful. and if you don't hand over your password to the police , you can password to the police, you can be fined thousands of euro . so be fined thousands of euro. so it's an extremely draconian law. >> yeah, all of this is absolutely chilling. and particularly this emphasis on intention. i mean, firstly, to prosecute someone for something they intended to do. how does anyone know? how can a court possibly delve into someone's private and decide private thoughts and decide whether intended something private thoughts and decide wae|er intended something private thoughts and decide wae hateful intended something private thoughts and decide wae hateful intwhetherymething private thoughts and decide wae hateful intwhether itiething to be hateful or whether it inadvertently being inadvertently ended up being interpreted as hateful ? interpreted as hateful? >> i mean, i presume what they have in mind is so somebody has a track record of speech that they think falls under the

definition of hate , and they definition of hate, and they suspect that this person has content on their device that they're about to release. but we're adding so many suppositions to this , you can suppositions to this, you can already see the problem with the law . and i'm not sure there's law. and i'm not sure there's any other law about this the any other law about this on the statute so statute books in any country. so it a big conference here it was a big conference here yesterday michael yesterday and michael shellenberger, who i think has been an been on your show, he's an american that's kind of coined the industrial the censorship industrial complex. he addressed this complex. and he addressed this big conference dublin big conference in dublin yesterday, and he said that as one of the worst laws, if not the worst law that he has ever come across . so ireland the worst law that he has ever come across. so ireland has become become a sort of outlier in to this. and we get in respect to this. and we get elon musk by the way, a few weeks ago saying because you see twitter has its headquarter in dubun twitter has its headquarter in dublin concerned about dublin and he's concerned about this law. and he has said that possibly twitter could take a case against the law depending on how it all works out. so here we have two rich men in the world, one of the most powerful men in the world. and this law has attention and has come to his attention and he's have has come to his attention and he see have has come to his attention and he see what have has come to his attention and he see what we have has come to his attention and he see what we do, have has come to his attention and he see what we do, legally|ave to see what we do, legally speaking, response if

speaking, in response to it. if schellenberg's saying it's one of the world, of the worst laws in the world, i up against some i mean, he's up against some pretty i mean, he's up against some pre'you i mean, the >> you know, i mean, the scottish crime is also scottish hate crime law is also similarly draconian and these things through. things are pushed through. doesn't government doesn't the irish government stop a moment that stop to think for a moment that if have legislation on if you have vague legislation on the statute books that doesn't really hatred is really define what hatred is other the circular other than the circular definition, that definition, it means hatred that that could be exploited by future governments to decry anything as hatred that they happen to like . happen not to like. >> and it's not just future governments. i mean, it's i mean, there'll be all kinds of activist ngos looking to exploit this bill and also, i mean, as pubuc this bill and also, i mean, as public debate continues to shift and to continue to expand the definition of hatred , to definition of hatred, to basically mean speech, you find offensive and you end up with judges that maybe have the same mentality . i judges that maybe have the same mentality. i mean, judges that maybe have the same mentality . i mean, who the hell mentality. i mean, who the hell knows what's going happen knows what's going to happen with extremely with this? so it's an extremely dangerous, law . and dangerous, open ended law. and the justice minister seems to determined to push it through. i mean, there was it would mean, there was a fear it would be pushed through before parliament recess in parliament went into recess in the summer. the politician is

due back next week. as you said , the justice minister intends having all the signed, sealed and delivered before the end of the year. the question is will she any amendments? so she introduce any amendments? so will there be a more concrete definition of hate and will they remove this power of people to make citizens arrests? i mean, these would obviously improve these would obviously improve the bill. but you see, there's a potential that we don't have anti—hate hatred legislation on the books already . we have the books already. we have incitement hatred legislation incitement to hatred legislation that's been existence since that's been in existence since 1989. but ngos are fearful that a certain type of activist ngos, that it doesn't go far enough and that there hasn't really been any prosecutions under it. and that's why they want to make the whole thing easier. and the justice minister has been trying to justify this by quoting police saying that last police figures saying that last year there was something like 600 potential hate crimes or hate incidents in the country . hate incidents in the country. but if you actually break down those figures, you discover that all of the incidents and all of the alleged crimes are already covered under existing laws

against public order offences and against the thought and things like that . so when you things like that. so when you actually dig down into the justification, you discover it's all there's no real all fake. so there's no real justification for this. they keep essentially me and defy keep on essentially me and defy defaming the reputation of the irish people and saying there's all this huge outbreak of hatred in the country and you do find isolated examples, but not enough to justify anything remotely resembling this law. it's like in britain, i mean, britain is a broadly tolerant country, but they keep on scaremongering about the amount of hatred in britain because of isolated incidents . and the same isolated incidents. and the same thing is happening in ireland. it's all being written by ngos based on isolated incidents. but there essentially completely disparaging the reputation of ordinary irish people who simply don't deserve this. >> but problem that when >> but the problem is that when you the it's about the you say that the it's about the perception the complainant perception of the complainant that what qualifies as hate. i mean, we saw this roshi mean, we saw this with roshi murphy , irish musician, her murphy, irish musician, her comments about puberty blockers

on a private facebook page has been widely interpreted as being hateful, bigoted and transphobic , when, of course, anyone with half a brain can see that it's none of those things. if none of those things. but if enough people it is enough people are saying it is hateful , then suddenly hateful, then suddenly it becomes isn't this becomes so. i mean, isn't this kind of legislation just pandenng kind of legislation just pandering kind pandering to the kind of activists go along those activists who go along those lines ? lines? >> you see helen mcentee, the justice minister, would say that roisin murphy's very strong opinion against puberty blockers would not fall under the definition of hate in this law. but again, hatred is not defined in the law. so we simply don't know what would happen. there's some the some activists took the complaint murphy complaint against roisin murphy and goes to court. complaint against roisin murphy and goes to court . and or and it goes to court. and or even if it doesn't go to court, by way, the sheer fear that by the way, the sheer fear that such a law would instil in someone and have a complaint made under this law against you is enough to basically shut people up in ways that should not happen because obviously it stifles debate and it's been said before in respect of these kinds of laws. often the process is the punishment. so the sheer

stress and ordeal of going through an investigation or having a complaint made against you, so on, so accused of hate under new law. i mean, a headune under new law. i mean, a headline like that, the vast majority of people want to avoid that kind of thing , even if it that kind of thing, even if it doesn't result in prosecution . i doesn't result in prosecution. i mean, we've seen what's happened to graham linehan, to people like graham linehan, also irish and notably accused of hate. and britain has had the police call to his door. we don't know if that kind of thing that ireland it that happened in ireland and it was few months ago was a case a few months ago involving, veteran involving, um, veteran journalist mary kenny, who's been based in england, most of journalist mary kenny, who's beeworking in england, most of journalist mary kenny, who's bee working career. and, most of journalist mary kenny, who's bee working career. um, most of journalist mary kenny, who's beeworking career. um, a ost of journalist mary kenny, who's beeworking career. um, a wellf her working career. um, a well known columnist, um, and she was ianed known columnist, um, and she was invited to give a talk at the university of limerick for international women's day . and international women's day. and it about feminism in the it was about feminism in the media years because media over 60 years because she's the long she's been in the media a long time and university of limerick, under pressure from trans activists . cancel that. i activists. cancel that. now, i doubt very much if the common law would find mary kay guilty of anything. but again, the possibility of being investigated under it is enough to put a halt to a lot of

people's gallop and shut down debate without even having to impose the law . impose the law. >> and very finally, david, could you tell me, do you think that there is enough pushback in ireland regarding this law, either from political sources, politicians or also from the commentary . to um, not enough in commentary. to um, not enough in the commentary ? the commentary? >> so there have been a few columnists, all right, who complained about this law. there's been some heavyweights in particularly the in the senate, particularly the and aforementioned previous and the aforementioned previous justice minister, michael mchugh . he's a powerful voice against it. the fact that the irish council civil liberties is in council of civil liberties is in favour law, but want some favour of the law, but want some amendments, particularly around the of hate. so there the definition of hate. so there are slim possibility that are some slim possibility that when goes committee when this goes to committee stage shortly there be some stage shortly there will be some sensible amendments made to it. but even if that happens , it is but even if that happens, it is very likely this law is going to go way too far . so i'd say the go way too far. so i'd say the best hope is if some case goes to court that somebody will say, actually, this bill is unconstitutional because the

irish constitution, fortunately has fairly robust measures in at least sections in favour of free speech. so hopefully if push came to shove, this thing would be found to be unconstitutional i >> -- >> david quinn, thanks ever so much for joining >> david quinn, thanks ever so much forjoining me. >> david quinn, thanks ever so much forjoining me . thank you. much for joining me. thank you. next up on free speech nation , a next up on free speech nation, a cow emerges from a hole . a cow emerges from a hole. a meteor apparently lands on a beach in ireland and a couple are caught having sex on a plane. it's almost time for social sensations. don't go anywhere

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we're live from . we're live from. nine welcome back to free speech nation. >> so it's time for social sensations. that's the part of the show where we look at what's been going viral this week on social media. first, a large whole was discovered a beach whole was discovered on a beach in ireland local news in ireland and local news claimed it was caused by a meteor. it had been dug meteor. but no, it had been dug by a group of lads. the day before. a look . before. let's have a look. >> a huge, mysterious >> it's a huge, mysterious crater that looks out of this world. but is it the unusual hole on portmarnock beach stopped local astrophysics enthusiast dave kennedy in his tracks yesterday , and he's tracks yesterday, and he's certain the small but heavy rock inside it came from up above . inside it came from up above. i mean to be fair, you could fall for that. >> i would assume some sort of meteor . meteor. >> no, no, no, no, not at all.

the shores. >> the shores. how far you can trust mainstream media. this is the rigorous scientific research i >> -- >> verify m >> verify the boys. digging is a cover up. the real story is james corden fell over there. that's outrage . that's outrage. >> gorgeous. jonathan. >> gorgeous. jonathan. >> he was later rolled back into the sea . but i mean, look, you the sea. but i mean, look, you know, it was like the crop circles, isn't it? >> know, you can understand >> you know, you can understand why people would leap to certain conclusions. >> circles real. >> the crop circles are real. >> the crop circles are real. >> crazy >> are they? there's crazy geometry in well i'm not sure. >> i don't know believe >> i don't know why i believe this is you and your alien thing again, shaifer. again, louis shaifer. >> i don't what's. >> i don't know what's. >> i don't know what's. >> don't talk louis schaefer. >> dehydrates. you okay? schaefer. >> goingehydrates. you okay? schaefer. >> goingehy write ., you okay? schaefer. >> goingehy write next. okay? we're going to write next. >> decided you fancied >> if you decided you fancied having aeroplane >> if you decided you fancied havingwhat's aeroplane >> if you decided you fancied havingwhat's the aeroplane >> if you decided you fancied havingwhat's the worstane >> if you decided you fancied havingwhat's the worst thing toilet, what's the worst thing that happen in short of that could happen in short of the starting drop out the plane starting to drop out of probably this of the sky? it's probably this quickly. oh oh. >> i'm not sure what quite was going on here. >> they're like, so they're

like, pretty hot to me . like, pretty hot to me. >> but did the guy open the door on them or what? >> you can the >> yeah, so you can open the doors outside. there's >> yeah, so you can open the d> yeah, so you can open the d> yeah, so you can open the d> but surely you're not allowed to that, you? to do that, are you? >> if they're having sex >> that's if they're having sex in there. >> if there's two people in the toilet then you're to. >> if there's two people in the toilit then you're to. >> if there's two people in the toilit then that's to. >> if there's two people in the toilit then that's terrible to. >> i mean that's terrible behaviour. >> i mean that's terrible behavjoin mile high club >> i mean that's terrible behtimen mile high club >> i mean that's terrible behtime , mile high club >> i mean that's terrible behtime , the mile high club >> i mean that's terrible behtime , the time high club >> i mean that's terrible behtime , the time that| club the time, the time that you shouldn't allowed open shouldn't be allowed to open that door is when there's people having would have having sex. you would have thought, absolutely outrageous. anyway, finally believe >> well, anyway, finally believe it or this received it or not, this received millions of views. workers in auckland were called to help a local farmer pull out a cow who had fallen into a sinkhole headfirst . it .

so i'm happy to report the cow emerged unscathed. thank goodness. >> thank goodness, indeed . that >> thank goodness, indeed. that would have been i mean, to kill a cow. a cow. >> a cow. >> horrendous. i know. >> horrendous. i know. >> but i'm glad that the cow, because that didn't look very comfortable. bit comfortable. i felt a bit sad for then. for the cow then. >> oh, no, the cow. the cow is fine now. on display in fine now. it's on display in a butcher's shop . butcher's shop. >> it's footage like that that makes proud to makes me proud to be a vegetarian, because a good makes me proud to be a vegetéyou, because a good makes me proud to be a vegetéyou know,jse a good makes me proud to be a vegetéyou know, it's a good makes me proud to be a vegetéyou know, it's a a good makes me proud to be a vegetéyou know, it's a sweet,d point, you know, it's a sweet, sweet thing. anyway let's move on. of the show on. this is the part of the show where we talk through your unfiltered dilemmas, a very kindly. problems kindly. you email your problems in first in every week. and our first dilemma from brian . dilemma has come in from brian. bnan dilemma has come in from brian. brian says, i started a new job, but my colleagues but unfortunately my colleagues are from including are stealing from me, including my laptop charger and my favourite italian ready meals. i love the job though. should i get used to going hungry? well, i mean, theft is wrong. theft is not allowed . not allowed. >> i would go to the police and a laptop charger. >> that's the worst thing to steal because then you've still got you can't got the laptop, but you can't use a very cruel crime, use it. it's a very cruel crime, isn't it? >> what do you think about this?

i mean, there's none of that here. everyone, you can leave stuff lying around. >> n >> i do still cereal, but i think guy should just have >> i do still cereal, but i thinwith guy should just have >> i do still cereal, but i thinwith they should just have >> i do still cereal, but i thinwith the lasagne just have >> i do still cereal, but i thinwith the lasagne and have >> i do still cereal, but i thinwith the lasagne and then sex with the lasagne and then whoever it has swallowed whoever eats it has swallowed part his. part of his. >> going to put >> right. we're going to put a stop that. stop to that. >> outrageous stop to that. >> i outrageous stop to that. >> i do outrageous stop to that. >> i do notjtrageous stop to that. >> i do notjtrageouzit. and i do not endorse it. >> i just don't listen to anything that jonathan says. >> dilemma has >> okay. so a dilemma now has come in from caitlin. caitlin has my flatmate i have has said, my flatmate and i have a argument a long standing argument about whether pet . she really whether to get a pet. she really wants a tortoise, but i would get annoyed with it walking around but i think. around so slowly. but i think. >> what please, can you advise jonathan? what caitlin should do is get a flatmates lasagne . no, is get a flatmates lasagne. no, shut up. listen why would you be so get the turtle , john. so get the turtle, john. >> you. me, get the turtle. get mount it from behind. they always finish last, don't they? >> what's the other thing about turtles ? >> what's the other thing about tur1why’ anyone be so >> why would anyone be so annoyed pet that >> why would anyone be so annoye slowly? pet that >> why would anyone be so annoye slowly? i pet that >> why would anyone be so annoye slowly? i don't pet that >> why would anyone be so annoye slowly? i don't understand moves slowly? i don't understand why an issue that you why that's an issue that if you want dog and gets out want to walk a dog and gets out the turtles, might the way of turtles, you might tortoise the way of turtles, you might tortyou don't even know what the >> you don't even know what the animal is. think that's animal is. i think that's a really never. really silly never. >> hear a spate >> you never hear about a spate of attacks . yes. of turtle attacks. yes. >> no. exactly.

>> no. exactly. >> excel bullets , turtles. >> excel bullets, turtles. >> excel bullets, turtles. >> listen, got a final >> listen, we've got a final dilemma. from dilemma. very quickly from julie. dilemma. very quickly from juue. due dilemma. very quickly from julie. due to julie. julie says, i was due to pick up my nipper last sunday, but started watching free but i started watching free speech turned speech nation. it meant i turned up two hours late. got up two hours late. i got a really chilly reception, but i think decision. think i made the right decision. don't yes, you don't you agree? yes. yes, you did . this got take did. this has got to take priority over children's well—being. >> she says nipper , does >> when she says nipper, does she mean a snapping turtle? >> absolutely clear >> she isn't absolutely clear about that. look, that's all about that. but look, that's all we've got time for. thank you so much joining free much for joining us for free speech this was the week speech nation this was the week when comedian was when another famous comedian was accused of historic offences. the government tried to the welsh government tried to slow its drivers and slow down its drivers and a spanish criminal attempted to avoid jail time by identifying as a woman. thank you to my panel as a woman. thank you to my panel, leo kearse and jonathan cogan and to all of my guests this evening. now, if you want to join us live in the studio, be part of our lovely studio audience . you can easily do audience. you can easily do that. can see a website that. you can see a website address on the screen right there, dot audiences.com. there, w—w—w dot audiences.com. all you need to do is go to that website, apply and you can come along and join in. we've got food, we've got we've

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