gb news. >> very good afternoon. it's 3 pm. it's patrick christys. it's gb news. and it's all action today. why because rishi sunak could be about to ditch or at least delay net zero. what do you think of this? could this win him the next general election? we'll also be talking about this story as well. inflation in down. the economists will wrong again. so we'll be discussing all of that. could that also be good news for rishi sunak? but on the opposite side of the political spectrum, of course, starmer, meanwhile , of course, starmer, meanwhile, was shaking hands with emmanuel macron , talking about a new macron, talking about a new brexit deal. there's been conversations or conversations about whether or not going take eu

not we're to going take eu asylum seeker quotas, isn't there? what this new eu that there? what is this new eu that we're talking about associate membership and will britain enter into it? i'll be discussing this topic as well today why are so many today as well. why are so many councils either going bust or about to go bust? should we be bailing them out? what are some of the most egregious examples of the most egregious examples of taxpayers money being wasted by local councillors ? and by local councillors? and finally, just to round us off, a man fought a python. and one more detail on that very shortly. patrick christys. gb news. remarkable ali my desire to be joined in the studio live by a massive python was turned down on health and safety grounds. but hey, you can't have it all. we live in hope. but yeah, get your views coming in gb views us at gbnews.com one story one in town. i think story big one in town. i think really is net zero stuff. do really is the net zero stuff. do you think rishi sunak is you think that rishi sunak is playing a blinder by delaying

and rowing back on net zero? but right now it's your headlines. >> good afternoon. it's 3:02. your top stories from the newsroom . the king and queen are newsroom. the king and queen are in paris as part of a three day state visit celebrating shared history, culture and values . history, culture and values. parm sandhu , 30. the royal parm sandhu, 30. the royal couple were greeted by president emmanuel macron and his wife at a ceremony of remembrance at the arc de triomphe. the king is joining the president for a meeting at the elysee palace this afternoon before a state banquet. later at the palace of versailles . the prime minister versailles. the prime minister will deliver a speech this afternoon. it's understood he could bring forward an announcement regarding net zero policies. rishi sunak expected

to set out revised plans which may include weakening the phasing out of gas boilers , as phasing out of gas boilers, as well as delaying a ban on new petrol and diesel cars . the petrol and diesel cars. the mayor of london says the government's passing up a huge opportunity to reduce bills and create jobs. the plan also risks igniting a row in the prime minister's own party, with some mps said to be penning letters of no confidence . the of no confidence. the government's plan to deal with inflation is working. that's according to the chancellor . according to the chancellor. data out this morning shows the rate of inflation fell to 6.7% in august. that's down from 6.8% in august. that's down from 6.8% in july. the bank of england had predicted the figure to increase to more than 7. it comes ahead of another expected interest rate increase tomorrow . it would rate increase tomorrow. it would be the bank's 15th month in a row. chancellor jeremy hunt says row. chancellorjeremy hunt says despite the fall , inflation is despite the fall, inflation is still too high. >> the path to lowering inflation is never easy because

it doesn't happen in a straight line. but if you look at the overall picture since it peaked last autumn, it is now down 40. and that says the plan is working. but even at 6.7, that is a lot of pain for ordinary families who are seeing their shopping bills go up, their fuel pnces shopping bills go up, their fuel prices go up. and that is why it is essential that we continue to stick to that plan, deliver the prime minister's pledge and the bank of england's target, get it right to down 2, consults and junior doctors are holding their first ever joint strike junior doctors are holding their first everjoint strike as junior doctors are holding their first ever joint strike as they continue a walkout over pay gb news reporter sophie reaper is at a picket line outside manchester royal infirmary today i >> -- >> may is m >> may is strike d—day as junior doctors and consultants have walked out together for the first time in the history of the nhs. now in the coming days, it's anticipated that over 100,000 appointments and operations could well be cancelled . and yet it still

cancelled. and yet it still seems that these strikes have the support of the public. a new poll has found that 70% of engush poll has found that 70% of english adults who were asked feel that talks should be reopened and that 63% believe that these professions should receive a pay rise . receive a pay rise. >> thousands of london underground workers, meanwhile , underground workers, meanwhile, are to walk out amid a long running dispute overjob cuts and safety concerns. the rmt union says strike action will hit commuters on the forth and 6th of october. the home secretary says plans by a social media giant to introduce end to end encryption will create a safe haven for . meta, which owns safe haven for. meta, which owns facebook , instagram and facebook, instagram and whatsapp, plans to make the encryption settings standard on all 1 to 1 chats by the end of the year. suella braverman says the year. suella braverman says the change will hamper efforts to carry out vital investigations , as she's calling investigations, as she's calling on the company to work with the government to ensure adequate safety measures are in place .

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continue. well into the weekend. heavy rains expected in western regions with higher altitude areas such as snowdonia in wales potentially seeing even heavier downpours . this is gb news downpours. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back over to . patrick to. patrick >> he's rishi sunak about to win the next election by scaling back net zero. net zero was due to hit the poorest the hardest. and if keir starmer had said, hey, i can't justify making the working class poorer , then working class poorer, then i think he'd romp home. but he didn't. instead, he's talking about brexit. he's shaking emmanuel macron's hand . he's emmanuel macron's hand. he's thinking about taking more asylum seekers. oh rishi sunak has just come in with an out and out vote winner . now, i have out vote winner. now, i have been saying for years that we should have a referendum on net

zero and now we might have a de facto one at the next election. sunakis facto one at the next election. sunak is reportedly about to slow down the ban on new petrol and diesel cars. he's expected to drop plans for new energy efficiency targets for private rented homes after ministers considered imposing fines on landlords who failed to upgrade their properties. he's set to announce no new taxes to discourage flying and no new policies to change people's diets or encourage car pooling. i wonder if there'll be another rabbit out of the hat when he speaks at 4:30 pm. as well. can you imagine if he bans any future ulez zones? but the fact is that if britain extinguished itself entirely tomorrow, then itself entirely tomorrow, then it would make next to no difference. really to the world's carbon footprint. china and india are going to keep polluting . they don't care about polluting. they don't care about what we do . and rishi sunak has what we do. and rishi sunak has said the quiet bit out loud today when it comes to the big green agenda. he admitted that politicians have not been honest about the cost benefit analysis

when it comes to net zero. this is a smart move from rishi sunak labouris is a smart move from rishi sunak labour is funded in part by the green lobby. they've got vested financial interests so they won't budge. the lib dems won't budge, the snp won't, the greens obviously won't. he's broken ranks now and i think he's drawn clear water between the tories and the other parties . will you and the other parties. will you vote for a party that wants to take net zero at a more risky, sensible, manageable pace , or sensible, manageable pace, or a party that is willing to let you financially suffer so they can virtue signal on the world stage? i know which one i prefer. supposedly some tory mps are revolting over this. well, if that's true, then they are so thick that they don't deserve to be re—elected anyway. by and large, people do want to do their bit to make sure the planet doesn't die. but most people don't buy into this climate hysteria. most people are sceptical of the green lobby. most people don't want to be poorer either in order to hit

a target, especially socially. if the result of hitting that target will have minimal impact on global emissions. target will have minimal impact on global emissions . let's just on global emissions. let's just put this into context. okay a british farmer driving a diesel tractor and having a gas boiler isn't killing the planet. china isn't killing the planet. china is . india is. isn't killing the planet. china is. india is. it is not fair that that british farmer should be the one to disproportion suffer . now, be the one to disproportion suffer. now, i'm starting to figure out a bit why keir starmer has been so light on detail for so long. it's because his politics are actually quite unpopular in my view. votes for kids. i love macron cosying up to the eu asylum seekers tax the rich tax tax tax. well, if net zero gets scaled back and inflation keeps coming down and starmer keeps revealing his true colours and the tories might just be back in the game . i'm

just be back in the game. i'm well, that's the only thing i want to hear from you. vaiews@gbnews.com maybe you think that it's completely the wrong thing to do to scale back in any way, shape or form on net zero. you think that we zero. maybe you do think that we should a world leader. maybe should be a world leader. maybe you that if we make you do think that if we make changes it will changes in this country, it will actually have a huge impact globally . if you do actually have a huge impact globally. if you do think that stuff, then get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.com the overarching question i'm asking you is as we wait for you though, is as we wait for rishi sunak to take to the plinth at about 430 today, whether or not you think this could be a real vote winner for him, do you trust him with it? but former prime minister boris johnson has warned that, quote, we cannot afford to falter now or in any way lose our ambition for this country. as rishi appears prepared to ditch those controversial net zero commitments whilst the prime minister says that he remains committed to the 2050 net zero target, it's caused a rift in his own party. the home secretary has argued that the government is not going to save the planet by bankrupt owing

britons, but other tories have expressed outrage at the potential betrayal of green policies and commitments . gb policies and commitments. gb news political editor christopher hope can join me now from downing street. christopher, thank you very much. to have you right at much. great to have you right at the top of the show. even you the top of the show. even if you are hammered with rain are being hammered with rain outside street, it outside downing street, there it has been it has been on whether it's the right thing or not, it's been quite a chaotic day also for rishi sunak on this. can you explain what's happened? why how have we ended up . here why how have we ended up. here >> well, it all started last night when the bbc revealed they said the pm is looking at in terms of moving back some of these short term goals the these short term goals for the net zero by by 2050. target notably on net new sales of new petrol and diesel cars in 2035. other measures to do with boilers and to seven recycling bins for homes that kind of that was leaked to the bbc last night and then that prompted a message from rishi sunak in which he

talked about how you need to be practical and pragmatic about hitting these targets. and he made clear his position, which is not, as you saying is not, as you were saying earlier your opening remarks, earlier in your opening remarks, patrick, not damage patrick, not to damage households and try and go with them, not against them. then today, he had to convene a hurried conference done hurried press conference done over forgive me, over the phone forgive me, a cabinet meeting done over the phone. and rather than doing it in person, which was done yesterday behind me in parliament, in downing street, and then the minutes or the agenda for that meeting were leaked to a journalist. and then we have hurriedly arranged a press conference at 430. so how he may have wanted to go ahead and unveil what is probably the most political thing he he has done so far in his 11 months in downing street? >> no, indeed . and we do await >> no, indeed. and we do await with bated breath for whatever he says at 430, i'll be joined in the studio by priti patel, former home secretary, who'll be listening with me to what rishi sunak has and then sunak has to say and then reacting to off the back of reacting to it off the back of it. suppose big question

it. i suppose the big question is, you know, does this look like it's to be a vote like it's going to be a vote winner ? winner? >> well , i winner? >> well, i think it certainly will shore up the vote on the right. now looking at that election, the by—election when uxbndge election, the by—election when uxbridge and okay, looking at the way 400 votes won it for that tory candidate against labour and they're thinking , labour and they're thinking, well, maybe there's a chance if well, maybe there's a chance if we apply that nationally, we can try and buck the trend and deal with this eat into with this and to eat into labour's 20 point lead. so that's where they're thinking. they can see a chance to open up clear water there. clear blue water there. >> okay, look , christopher, >> okay, look, christopher, thank you very, very much. christopher that from a christopher hope that from a very wet and windy downing street editor street our political editor say no we'll be hearing a lot no doubt we'll be hearing a lot more him over the course of more from him over the course of this show we gear up for this show as we gear up for rishi sunak's big announcement. but that this could but i do think that this could be massive certainly be a massive moment, certainly in to the next in the run up to the next general election. we do wait to see specifics of what he's see the specifics of what he's to say. obviously, of to going say. obviously, some of it leaked out. but will it has been leaked out. but will there be any more rabbits out of there be any more rabbits out of the hat? with me now is paul

richards. former labour the hat? with me now is paul richard�*adviser former labour the hat? with me now is paul richard�*adviser and �*ner labour the hat? with me now is paul richard�*adviser and �*necolumnist. special adviser and a columnist. paul special adviser and a columnist. paul, thank you very, very much. is not what keir starmer is this not what keir starmer should is this not what keir starmer showell, i think there are >> well, i think there are champagne corks popping at the prospect sunak rowing back prospect of sunak rowing back on some but they're some of this stuff, but they're popping some of this stuff, but they're popping headquarters popping in labour headquarters even more if he's going to even more so if he's going to now call a snap general election off the back of this, because this stuff a vote winner. this stuff is not a vote winner. you know, of viewers you know, many of your viewers will their summer will have had their summer holidays by extreme holidays ruined by extreme weather. and we know that climate change is real and is happening and we can offer world leadership by having these targets in place as alok sharma, the tory was saying only this morning to resile and to row back makes us look as absolute pantomime . and you use the word pantomime. and you use the word chaotic. patrick it is chaotic. it's no way to run a railroad, is it? >> i mean, it's as far as we're aware, it's a more manageable time frame. and i think that's one of the points that i was alluding to, really, which is that people, by and that i think people, by and large, are on board with wanting to not watch the planet burn. okay you're out and

okay unless you're an out and out change denier, in out climate change denier, in which just don't care. which case you just don't care. right but it's right fair enough. but it's about frame of doing about the time frame of doing that, isn't it? and when you do ask people these opinion polls that they use, like, do you actually care about the climate, most say yes. then most people say yes. but then when them, can you when you ask them, can you afford a new electric car afford afford a new electric car or can you a new boiler or can you afford a new boiler or can you afford a new boiler or can you afford a new boiler or can you afford all of the different bits of that it's different bits of it that it's going to in order for us to going to take in order for us to hit these net zero targets? by and large, people are pretty split so i think it is split on it. so i think it is a vote winner, isn't it, just to delay it a bit, do it more responsibly, financially. we think certain urgency think there's a certain urgency to tackle climate crisis and to tackle the climate crisis and i that the policies need i think that the policies need to that. i think that the policies need to the that. i think that the policies need to the technology and as >> the technology and as technology these technology speeds up, these things easier to do. you things will be easier to do. you know, our lives have all been transformed by technology just in last 10 years. so to in the last 5 or 10 years. so to do these things is not going to be difficult. >> you know, where there are genuine cases of hardship of course that and course we would address that and labour's is simply that course we would address that and la tackle is simply that course we would address that and la tackle the is simply that course we would address that and la tackle the climate simply that course we would address that and la tackle the climate crisisy that course we would address that and la tackle the climate crisis is:hat to tackle the climate crisis is also business, it's also good for business, it's good trade , it's good for

good for trade, it's good for jobs, because you invest in jobs, because you can invest in industries like they are in industries just like they are in the united states, but with subsidies lot of it, subsidies doing a lot of it, though, aren't we, paul? subsidies doing a lot of it, tho this aren't we, paul? subsidies doing a lot of it, tho this is an't we, paul? subsidies doing a lot of it, tho this is this we, paul? subsidies doing a lot of it, tho this is this is, paul? subsidies doing a lot of it, tho this is this is the ul? subsidies doing a lot of it, tho this is this is the thing. >> this is this is the thing. we're subsidising a lot of it. and this is an argument and this is this is an argument against, you know, it's not necessarily great for the great for it? because for the economy, is it? because it's the taxpayer who's paying for left, right and for all of this left, right and centre. >> i t you're centre. >> i you're allergic to >> i know you're allergic to state intervention, but you know, governments in know, governments can invest in businesses and then create more profit, then gets the profit, which then gets the money the exchequer, money back into the exchequer, creates circle. so creates a virtuous circle. so you can have a situation where you can have a situation where you invest then you do get you invest and then you do get the . is nothing wrong the return. is nothing wrong with the return. is nothing wrong witihave we though? have we? have >> have we though? have we? have we? far when it comes to the we? so far when it comes to the green agenda? no >> right. >> right. >> enough? no. >> not enough? no. which is argument. labour's is argument. labour's argument is you do more of and you need to do more of it and you need to do more of it and you need to do more of it and you need make sure it's you need to make sure it's protecting everybody all over the country too, not just london and the south. >> you how some people >> can you see how some people might at that, paul, and might look at that, paul, and 90, might look at that, paul, and go, we haven't really go, well, if we haven't really seen so far seen any results of it so far and we have lobbed of and we have lobbed a lot of taxpayers money after it. and labour's solution is to lob more money at it, that that might be

quite well that's an quite unpopular. well that's an argument. quite unpopular. well that's an argumentthink the fact is it's >> but i think the fact is it's about scale. you know, labour is offering a transformation of the economy. so we'll all be different about how consume, economy. so we'll all be diffewet about how consume, economy. so we'll all be diffewet abou howv consume, economy. so we'll all be diffewet abou howv ccthings , economy. so we'll all be diffewet abou howv ccthings in how we work, how we do things in the future. and hopefully have a planet can pass on to planet that we can pass on to our but, you our grandchildren. but, you know, the politics of this are ridiculous, that he split sunak has conservative ridiculous, that he split sunak has you conservative ridiculous, that he split sunak has you know, conservative ridiculous, that he split sunak has you know, the nservative ridiculous, that he split sunak has you know, the nservatiof party. you know, the letters of no confidence being mooted no confidence are being mooted already, spoken yet. already, hasn't even spoken yet. and already created row and he's already created a row within the conservatives. he's resigning his own policy. resigning from his own policy. this not labour policy. this this is not labour policy. this is policy. saying it is his policy. he's saying it doesn't do any more. it doesn't want to do any more. it makes weak. and that's makes him look weak. and that's why you know, the why i said, you know, the celebrations out in celebrations are breaking out in labour hq because bring on an election. i've just come from a meeting with a shadow cabinet minister who said, on, minister who said, bring it on, let's have election. great minister who said, bring it on, let' so, we election. great minister who said, bring it on, let' so, so, election. great minister who said, bring it on, let' so, so, so election. great minister who said, bring it on, let' so, so, so what:ion. great minister who said, bring it on, let' so, so, so what exactly�*at minister who said, bring it on, let' so, so, so what exactly is >> so, so, so what exactly is labour's policy on on hitting net then? what's the net zero then? what's the contrast here? >> well, i suppose the main contrast is that we're going to have a national plan to do it rather than these piecemeal. but what is it is and there will well, it's the green new deal.

so massive investment, regional investment in investment banks investing in green start ups, using all the new technology , creating jobs in new technology, creating jobs in every part of the country . all new technology, creating jobs in evyou part of the country . all new technology, creating jobs in evyou look )f the country . all new technology, creating jobs in evyou look atthe country . all new technology, creating jobs in evyou look at the :ountry . all new technology, creating jobs in evyou look at the speeches. ll if you look at the speeches. rachel reeves has been given, the one in washington in particular, the the one in washington in particthat the the one in washington in particthat you the the one in washington in particthat you can the the one in washington in particthat you can use the point that you can use investment for good and you can turn the crisis into an opportunity. >> right? okay. but but there's nothing nothing nothing there's nothing absolutely is absolutely concrete there, is there? thing. it is there? that's the thing. it is very much tax spend, isn't very much tax and spend, isn't it? well it's invest in our future and to create jobs so people are not on the dole , but people are not on the dole, but they're paying their taxes. >> and that gets more money into the exchequer. it's a classic virtuous circle. >> think that there's a >> do you think that there's a bit of a contrast at the moment between that between the way that keir starmer has about things in starmer has gone about things in the few days? you know, the last few days? you know, there's hoo ha about there's been a big hoo ha about votes for kids. there's been a big hoo ha about whether or not we have to do we would have anything to do with eu asylum seeker quota. with an eu asylum seeker quota. he's been shaking emmanuel macron's talks. macron's hand. there's talks. paul of eu paul of some kind of eu affiliation, etcetera. meanwhile rishi sunak a penitentiary rishi sunak is a penitentiary about to come out go, you

about to come out and go, you know, that thing was going know, that thing that was going to yeah, we're to make you skin? yeah, we're not to do that. and i just not going to do that. and i just wonder plays better. wonder if that plays better. >> well, i think the macron handshake is all about the world is now taking labour seriously as government. as as a potential government. and have discussed and you and i have discussed this am this before. i mean, i am a lecturer landslide sceptic, but i think the world is looking saying, well, there may well be an election and there may be a different leader in charge. so that's what that was all about. fair enough. and i think in terms of politics, you know, terms of the politics, you know, it's turn your own party it's a turn on your own party and then possibly announce an election there will election or at least there will be a few months anyway. be one in a few months anyway. >> do think do you think >> do you think do you think genuinely just last last one with you, paula, because i know you've that a few you've mentioned that a few times i've heard a few times now. i've heard a few people on twitter. are people say this on twitter. are you convinced you genuinely pretty convinced that a snap election? >> well, when that podium hits downing street, there's always a possibility, isn't there? and i know can all a bit know we can all get a bit overexcited, but i mean, who knows? maybe he knows? you know, who. maybe he could just throw knows? you know, who. maybe he cou whole just throw knows? you know, who. maybe he cou whole thing just throw knows? you know, who. maybe he cou whole thing up just throw knows? you know, who. maybe he cou whole thing up in|ust throw knows? you know, who. maybe he cou whole thing up in the throw knows? you know, who. maybe he cou whole thing up in the air. �*w the whole thing up in the air. >> who knows? so what you're telling telling me

telling what you're telling me and and listeners, and my viewers and listeners, paulis and my viewers and listeners, paul, is that you've got to stay tuned to gb news because at 4:30 on this very show, we might be about general election. about to get a general election. >> what you're saying? >> is that what you're saying? >> is that what you're saying? >> that's what saying. >> that's what i'm saying. >> that's what i'm saying. >> lord. all right, >> oh, good lord. all right, paul >> oh, good lord. all right, paul. we go. that's bit paul. there we go. that's a bit of promo me anyway. paul, of promo for me anyway. paul, thank you very much. paul richards, former labour special adviser do adviser and columnist. what do you that? there's very you make of that? there's very much sides this, and he's much two sides to this, and he's not wrong to a lot this. not wrong to a lot of this. i mean, the announcement was what we the announcement we understand the announcement is pretty chaotic is going to be is pretty chaotic and divided the and it has divided the conservative party. okay. i do think that fundamentally, though, vote, though, if it wins, you vote, then game that rishi then that's the game that rishi sunak to in, isn't it? sunak has to be in, isn't it? winning an election? it more winning an election? is it more likely your vote if we likely to get your vote if we row back, if we scale back net zero, let me know. gb views. gbnews.com loads you are gbnews.com loads of you are already getting touch with already getting in touch with this. last, some common this. at last, some common sense, gary. there's quite sense, says gary. there's quite a going around at a bit of this going around at the i'll go into the the moment. i'll go into the inbox still further come inbox still further when i come back, this story on back, but more on this story on our gbnews.com. it's our website, gbnews.com. it's the fastest growing national our website, gbnews.com. it's the fésitet growing national our website, gbnews.com. it's the fésite inirowing national our website, gbnews.com. it's the fé site in the ng national our website, gbnews.com. it's the fé site in the country. nal news site in the country. all the big opinion the best analysis, big opinion

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keir starmer with the shadowy figure of tony blair somewhere behind him , trying to drag us behind him, trying to drag us back into the european union. could it mean single level membership involvement? could it mean a single market involvement 7 mean a single market involvement ? sorry, i should say membership to the single market? would it mean customs union? would it mean customs union? would it mean us having to, you know, take rules and regs from the european union without us having a seat at that table? could it just pave the way for us to go back in? what is all of this really meaning we're going to be trying to pick this apart throughout course the throughout the course of the show, but i'm just to going delve into the terrifying world of and just of my inbox right now. and just because some of the things that you were saying about rishi sunak supposedly big zero sunak supposedly big net zero announcement, right? so we await this live on this about 4:30 live here on this about 4:30 live here on this show. going to whiz this show. we're going to whiz you to rishi sunak , who is you over to rishi sunak, who is going get plinth out going to get the plinth out somewhere downing somewhere around the downing street us what on street area and tell us what on earth he's to do when it earth he's going to do when it comes net zero. mandy's been comes to net zero. mandy's been on. hi, patrick, on. mandy says, hi, patrick, loving show. thank you, loving the show. thank you, mandy, she says. i'm a big supporter but

supporter of boris johnson, but i'm disappointed his i'm really disappointed. on his stance supporting stance towards not supporting sunak's net zero. sunak's u—turn on net zero. i would have thought that he would welcome easing the pressures on households. i can't get my head around why they don't think this is the right and sensible thing to she says. mandy says this to do, she says. mandy says this is a typical , to do, she says. mandy says this is a typical, narrow minded westminster bubble and i think you've really struck a chord there. mandy. i know a lot of people who watch and listen to this and watch and listen this show and watch and listen to news big boris johnson to gb news a big boris johnson fans and they that there fans and they think that there was up that took place was a stitch up that took place there and that it was part of a kangaroo court and all of that. and he was the people's prime minister. landslide, minister. he won a landslide, but actually a bit of an but he was actually a bit of an eco zealot, wasn't he? and that kind of flew under the radar, i think, boris. but was. think, with boris. but he was. and come out against and now he's come out against rishi opposed net zero rishi sunak opposed net zero u—turn. it's bracketed u—turn. it's been bracketed by rishi sunak and suella braverman as of making sure that as a way of making sure that ordinary class, lower ordinary working class, lower middle class people in the uk don't have to pay the don't have to pay through the nose something might nose for something that might make no difference on make next to no difference on the international and the international stage. and ronald been touch and

ronald has been in touch and i was asking you, look, if rishi sunak 4:30 today, sunak does this at 4:30 today, is a massive vote winner is this a massive vote winner for you? is this going to be a big thing that puts clear water between him and the labour party and all of the other parties? and would it make you more likely to vote for him? ronald says, i will, patrick. five says, yes, i will, patrick. five of us in this house will re—engage our votes with the conservatives because if rishi is this, he goes to is strong on this, he goes on to say, vested interests and lobbyists in the westminster bubble as bought and bubble as well as bought and paid mps on both sides of paid for mps on both sides of the are complete in open the commons are complete in open defiance the man on the defiance of the man on the street . i've been calling for street. i've been calling for absolutely ages on a net zero reference. adam will we get a de facto referendum at the next election? it will be fascinating , won't it? for all of this climate hysteria to find out when people are given a choice for the first time, given a choice between a party that maybe wants to take it a bit slower and maybe just wants to take more financially, take it a bit more financially, response sibley and people who just anyway just want to plough ahead anyway which they will for.

which side they will vote for. vaiews@gbnews.com. all of that to come and much, much more. we will also be loving a look, won't we, about what's been going on with this eu associate membership. inflation though is down. they down. yes the economists they were again having were wrong again having predicted in inflation. predicted a rise in inflation. liam halligan our economics and business editor will be with me in studio very in the studio very, very shortly. a little bit shortly. tell you a little bit about economic good news for once. but right now it's the latest headlines . latest headlines. >> it's 331. i'm rhiannon jones in the newsroom . the king and in the newsroom. the king and queen are in paris as part of a three day state visit celebrating shared history, culture and values . parm sandhu culture and values. parm sandhu , 33. the royal couple were greeted by president emmanuel macron and his wife at a ceremony of remembrance at the arc de triomphe. the king is joining the president for a meeting at the elysee palace

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leading to some heavy rain could cause problems we cause some problems as we go through rush in through evening rush hour in particular here. elsewhere overnight, there be some overnight, there will be some clear but also clear skies around, but also still showers , particularly still some showers, particularly for parts england and for western parts of england and wales towards the north and wales and towards the north and west northern west of scotland and northern ireland the clear skies, ireland under the clear skies, temperatures dip temperatures are going to dip a little bit lower than they have done through some recent nights. many cities, though, many towns and cities, though, just holding double just about holding up in double figures thursday figures through thursday morning. the morning. then any rain in the south—east clearing away south—east quickly clearing away and a brighter, and then it is a brighter, sunnier for many of us sunnier picture for many of us than it has been recently. but by time get to the by the time that we get to the afternoon, i am expecting plenty of to develop across afternoon, i am expecting plenty of of to develop across afternoon, i am expecting plenty of of england/elop across afternoon, i am expecting plenty of of england and) across afternoon, i am expecting plenty of of england and wales; afternoon, i am expecting plenty of of england and wales and parts of england and wales and the showers across scotland and northern ireland be merging northern ireland will be merging into of rain. into some longer spells of rain. heavy those heavy at times with those strong, winds still to strong, gusty winds still to temperatures down a degree or two compared today. but two compared to today. but feeling bit better feeling perhaps a bit better with lighter for some of with lighter winds for some of us as we look through into friday. and there'll be some further unsettled weather to come. a brief ridge come. but there is a brief ridge of high pressure that will push in west later. so the in from the west later. so the weather should quieten down a little as a result, little bit. as a result, saturday bright

saturday should start bright if a before more a bit chilly before more unsettled in unsettled weather arrives in time sunday. but by looks time for sunday. but by looks like things are heating up, boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> well, here we go . the plan is >> well, here we go. the plan is working. that's according to the chancellor. a fall in inflation to 6.7, a surprise many as it was widely expected to rise due to a sharp increase in the average fuel prices for drivers. now the pressure's on the bank of england. the unexpected easing could mean interest rates are put on hold and tomorrow's decision. i'm joined now by our economics and business editor liam halligan with on money liam halligan with on the money . so inflation is down. >> i was surprised this morning when i came to the studio , 10 to when i came to the studio, 10 to 7. oh, crikey. it's a long day now. i thought inflation would go up. and the reason is,

patrick, that in august we had the sharpest increases in petrol and diesel prices in a month in 23 years, really big increases dnven 23 years, really big increases driven by the rising price of oil that you and i have discussed several times over recent weeks. oil prices are up 35% since june, now pushing $95 a barrel. so i thought those high petrol and diesel prices would would push through and push up headline inflation, even though headline inflation has been coming down since the end, pretty much of last year. but it wasn't to be. and the government is lucky that it wasn't to be. it's really changed the mood. inflation came down marginally from 6.8% during the year to july to 6.7% during the year to august . and core inflation, august. and also core inflation, which is really important. it's the inflation. when you take out energy and foods, you can really understand what's going on with wage bargaining and other inflationary pressures. core inflationary pressures. core inflation fell in july from 6.9 to 6.2. so this does augur well

for inflation to really start falling quite quickly now. yet i still think the bank of england, when it meets tomorrow, it's not going to have the imagination and sort of intellectual grit to change its mind. the courage to change its mind. the courage to change its mind. i do think , change its mind. i do think, unfortunately, patrick, we're going to get a 15th successive interest rate rise tomorrow at noon from five and a quarter to 5.5. can mean much justification for that, though, really. >> surely they're going to start getting clamours at the door, aren't they? >> i think they should have stopped raising rates stopped raising interest rates back february and march back in february and march when it inflation was it was clear that inflation was coming down. they didn't do that. they're of over that. they're kind of over compensating the fact that that. they're kind of over comjwere ting the fact that that. they're kind of over comjwere slow the fact that that. they're kind of over comjwere slow out1e fact that that. they're kind of over comjwere slow out the act that that. they're kind of over comjwere slow out the blocks. they were slow out the blocks. they kept saying throughout 2021, inflation, it will be 2021, oh, inflation, it will be transitory. don't worry, people like me were warning it's really not there are major not transitory. there are major post—lockdown here the post—lockdown issues here in the supply look at some of supply chain. look at some of the futures markets. look at commodity look at wage commodity markets. look at wage bargaining pressures. was bargaining pressures. it was clear inflation wasn't going to be was going to be transitory. it was going to be transitory. it was going to be opposite of transitory, be the opposite of transitory, which is stubborn. and it has

been stubborn. the bank been stubborn. and so the bank of now, think of england now, i think is overcompensating, to overcompensating, trying to demonstrate inflation demonstrate its inflation fighting credentials by raising too far now and for too long damaging the economy. >> i think it's been a really interesting week in politics picks, right? so we've got this announcement about 4:30 from rishi sunak, which we're expecting back net expecting him to scale back net zero. priti patel will be with me studio to chat about me in the studio to chat about that. so we'll wait and see for the that. of the specifics on that. we've of course as we've also had course as well. we've also had then the contrast is keir starmer going to shaking emmanuel getting emmanuel macron's hands, getting bogged down and talk about brexit kids and all of brexit votes for kids and all of that. but this that. but now then this inflation an issue coming down. i this is good politically i mean this is good politically for jeremy rishi sunak, forjeremy hunt and rishi sunak, isn't forjeremy hunt and rishi sunak, isn'this is real shot in the >> this is a real shot in the arm for the tories because now it looks as if their target of halving by the of halving inflation by the end of the down 10% just the year, down from 10% just over was in january over where it was in january when they made the pledge down to 5. that's that's much more likely to happen now. they can now say that the cost of living crisis over there, but at crisis isn't over there, but at least there are signs that it

will soon be over . least there are signs that it will soon be over. and least there are signs that it will soon be over . and the will soon be over. and the that's why this bank of england decision is so important . the decision is so important. the government won't want to be seen pressuring england, pressuring the bank of england, but government, whatever but the government, whatever they really not want they say, will really not want an interest rate rise tomorrow because interest rate rise because that interest rate rise , you know, it's hard pressed young families with mortgages. it's with personal loans it's people with personal loans and agreements all most all corporate debt by the way, small business debt is on a variable rate rather than a fix. so this is really big stuff for households and small businesses kind of core middle england , if kind of core middle england, if you like, middle britain voters that decide elections and if the tories are going to try and regain their reputation for economic competence, a reputation that they've kind of lost when taxation has gone so high, is the highest tax burden in 70 years, then this inflation narrative, this solving the cost of living price crisis narrative is absolutely central . and is absolutely central. and that's why for the tories at least , today's inflation figure least, today's inflation figure is such good news. >> and if we couple that as

well, of course with potentially saving a bit of money by not having to for a load of new having to pay for a load of new green stuff a new electric having to pay for a load of new greeit's:uff a new electric having to pay for a load of new greeit's so a new electric having to pay for a load of new greeit's so true. a new electric having to pay for a load of new greeit's so true. make electric having to pay for a load of new greeit's so true. make a lectric having to pay for a load of new greeit's so true. make a bigric car, it's so true. make a big difference. liam, thank you very much. halligan our much. liam halligan our economics editor. economics and business editor. right. let's return now quickly to again that to that news once again that france germany planning to that news once again that freoffer germany planning to that news once again that freoffer britain many planning to that news once again that freoffer britain and( planning to that news once again that freoffer britain and other)lanning to offer britain and other european countries associate membership of the eu, which could ties with the could rebuild uk ties with the bloc. on earth does any of bloc. what on earth does any of this actually where is it this actually mean? where is it coming let's to our coming from? let's go now to our political correspondent olivia utley, westminster for utley, who's in westminster for us. olivia, thank you very much utley, who's in westminster for uwhat/ia, thank you very much utley, who's in westminster for uwhat is, thank you very much utley, who's in westminster for uwhat is this nk you very much utley, who's in westminster for uwhat is this so you very much utley, who's in westminster for uwhat is this so what ery much utley, who's in westminster for uwhat is this so what ity much utley, who's in westminster for uwhat is this so what it is,1uch utley, who's in westminster for uwhat is this so what it is, is:h . what is this so what it is, is it seems that france and germany, between them, have cooked up a plan to offer britain associate membership of the eu. >> now what that would mean in practise is that the uk would contribute to the eu's yearly budget and would be governed by the european court of justice in exchange for being part of the single market. essentially the bloc, the trading bloc that binds the eu together. now

france and germany offering this is all very well, but would the uk under either labour or the conservative us be prepared to accept such an offer? well, the conservatives, the answer is no . we spoke to the prime minister spokesman yesterday and he said very clearly, under no circumstance ses would rishi sunak consider an offer like this. he has not been in talks with france and germany about this. he knows nothing about it and it would never happen. well, what about labour, keir starmer has said that he would not get the uk rejoining either. the customs union or the single market. but. but he has said that he would like to reset britain's trading relationship with the eu and reach some sort of eu uk deal on migrants. now what that deal would be, if it's not the deal which emmanuel macron is offering, isn't really clear. so i think what quite a lot of people are speculate at

the moment is that keir starmer over this cosy little weekend chat with emmanuel macron , is chat with emmanuel macron, is actually considering taking up france and germany on their offer , although that's not what offer, although that's not what he's saying at the moment. >> no. olivia, thank you very, very much for that, olivia, our political correspondent. we'll go for updates go back there for any updates as we throughout the we get them throughout the course show. fascinating course of this show. fascinating little in british little period in british politics. got that politics. this we've got that rishi sunak statement coming your hour's your way in just under an hour's time on net zero. that could be huge down. all right. huge inflation down. all right. not much, but, hey, it's not by that much, but, hey, it's moving in the right direction, isn't it? meanwhile, we've moving in the right direction, isn' the meanwhile, we've moving in the right direction, isn' the talk meanwhile, we've moving in the right direction, isn' the talk of1eanwhile, we've moving in the right direction, isn' the talk of an nwhile, we've moving in the right direction, isn' the talk of an eu|ile, we've moving in the right direction, isn'the talk of an eu associate got the talk of an eu associate membership. keir starmer shaking got the talk of an eu associate membwithp. keir starmer shaking got the talk of an eu associate memb with emmanuelner shaking got the talk of an eu associate memb with emmanuel macronking hands with emmanuel macron yesterday. that a coincidence yesterday. is that a coincidence 7 yesterday. is that a coincidence ? there? yeah ? what's going on there? yeah fascinating stuff, but more local level emergency measures are being put in place now for the day to day running of birmingham city council . but birmingham city council. but there's a wider issue here. a much wider issue. they are not the only council to go bust or to be on the cusp of going bust. what is happening at a local level with your money and how

are we going to sort this out? patrick christys

britain's news . britain's news. channel >> well, emergency measures are being put in place and commissioners will be appointed to take over the day to day running of birmingham city council. there'll also be a local inquiry into the labour run authority after it was declared effectively bankrupt . declared effectively bankrupt. but what does this mean for other councils? could we see

more of them go bust ? and the more of them go bust? and the community secretary, michael gove, says the action is aimed at protecting the interests of the city's residents. but if more go bust, what will that mean for residents everywhere ? mean for residents everywhere? are local councils completely out of control ? joining me now out of control? joining me now to discuss this further is the conservative councillor at birmingham city council, marion jenkins . thank you very, very jenkins. thank you very, very much. great to have you on the show. how on earth does birmingham council gone so spectacularly bust ? spectacularly bust? >> i'm afraid , patrick, it's >> i'm afraid, patrick, it's been a disaster trous in labour administration action for a decade and especially so in the last. decade and especially so in the last . 5 or 6 years where they've last. 5 or 6 years where they've allowed two particular things to get completely out of control, which is the equal pay liability, where a job evaluation scheme should have been put in place six years ago and hasn't been, and recognising that the council has already paid out up to 2017, 1.2

paid out up to 2017,1.2 billion, we're now in line for a further liable city of about £1 billion. right. and the other thing that triggered this is the failure to implement a new accounting system budgeted for 20 million that looks like it's to going cost 100 million or maybe more. >> okay . all right. and i mean, >> okay. all right. and i mean, i'm looking at things like, for example, in the smethwick area, we now have a new giant sculpture of a woman wearing a huab. sculpture of a woman wearing a hijab . the strength of the hijab hijab. the strength of the hijab designed by luke perry . it'll be designed by luke perry. it'll be installed in the smethwick area, the west midlands, in october , the west midlands, in october, as the taxpayer paid for any of this . this. >> there is a number of schemes taking place that it shouldn't have taken place in the originally, but certainly now will have to be looked at in light of cost saving. for example, in the south of the city there are low traffic neighbourhoods fiercely opposed by residents . we could save by the residents. we could save several million by cancelling those . they're repaving victoria those. they're repaving victoria square again for the second time

and one has to question whether that's a good use of money. so there's quite a few of these things where money has been spent where it shouldn't have been spent and where it can't be spentin been spent and where it can't be spent in the future. >> okay, so michael gove stepping isn't he? and stepping in now isn't he? and what angela rayner said yesterday was that the reason why birmingham council and no doubt others like it, not just labour councils by the way, but the majority of councils in financial trouble are labour councils. last councils. the last time i checked but entirely, she's checked, but not entirely, she's saying that it is down to two cuts from central conservative government. is that true ? government. is that true? >> it's not because in actual fact birmingham is treated quite favourably by the government. it's about 80% of its budget comes from central government andifs comes from central government and it's received more money than many other councils in proportional terms . the proportional terms. the situation in birmingham is just terrible. financial management and even if you take the view that birmingham should have been

given more money, you know, just probably every family in birmingham thinks they ought to have more money. they ought to be paid more money. but in the end, know, we're all stuck end, you know, we're all stuck with the amount of money that we have and we have to manage and live it, even if think live within it, even if we think we should more. and they we should have more. and they absolutely failed do that. absolutely failed to do that. >> all well, i know >> okay. all right. well, i know many wondering >> okay. all right. well, i know many or wondering >> okay. all right. well, i know many or not wondering >> okay. all right. well, i know many or not this)ndering >> okay. all right. well, i know many or not this)n(going to whether or not this is going to be a little microcosm of what life will like under a labour life will be like under a labour government. have to government. but we will have to wait and see if indeed we ever do. miriam jenkins there. thank you much. you very, very much. conservative councillor at birmingham but it birmingham city council. but it is no, is not just birmingham. no, we've media campaign we've got the media campaign manager taxpayers we've got the media campaign managernow, taxpayers we've got the media campaign managernow, conor)ayers we've got the media campaign managernow, conor holohan. alliance now, conor holohan. conor thank for joining alliance now, conor holohan. conor thank forjoining me. conor thank you for joining me. there a significant there is quite a significant concern and concern that councils up and down the are about to go down the country are about to go p0p, down the country are about to go pop, they? what's the pop, aren't they? what's the state of play? >> that's right. there are some other warned that other councils being warned that their finances are straying into their finances are straying into the red bradford and southampton, a very big one, are among them . among them. >> and you say, patrick, >> and like you say, patrick, it's something we have seen elsewhere, not just in birmingham. now birmingham, birmingham. now in birmingham,

it's do with it's a specific issue to do with equal claims, although i'd equal pay claims, although i'd be surprised if that was just limited elsewhere limited to birmingham. elsewhere we because of we see this happening because of vanhy we see this happening because of vanity and councils vanity projects and councils getting involved in huge commercial investments. they have no business getting involved in and unfortunately it's the residents who end up picking up the pieces. yeah just tells about that. tells me a bit about that. >> councils getting >> so. so councils getting involved, spending taxpayers money massive conversion of money on massive conversion of commercial such as commercial projects such as what? well you look in woking, the council which has a very small budget , it borrowed small budget, it borrowed hundreds of millions of pounds for the victoria square development which is sort of big development which is sort of big development of almost skyscrapers that tower over the modest town of woking and in an effort to try and sort of regenerate the area, it's already quite a nice area and these things end up going massively off the cliff in terms of their valuations and the council is left holding the bag and the council tax rates have to shoot up. >> woking council has now gone bust. key services are on the block you know,

block such as well you know, things like leisure services but also community like also community services like hubs elderly and vulnerable hubs for elderly and vulnerable people. the people. and these are the consequence aces. what consequence aces. this is what happens when councillors will not stick their remit. not stick to their remit. >> and i think local >> yeah. and i think local residents a right to be residents have a right to be very , very angry this. you very, very angry about this. you know, tax needs to be know, council tax needs to be going up. that's top of every going up. that's on top of every single other that all single other tax that we're all paying. and you look paying. and then you look at local going, going paying. and then you look at loca above going, going paying. and then you look at loca above their going, going paying. and then you look at loca above their station going it way above their station when it comes something and then comes to something and then ultimately they go pop. and when they pop culture as well, they do go pop culture as well, what then? so are we what happens then? so are we stripped just the stripped right back to just the most essential services despite the paying the fact that we're all paying more for them than we ever have done? you're absolutely right. >> patrick in birmingham, they're off they're looking at selling off they're looking at selling off the and the museum. the library and the museum. that's that's expected that's something that's expected to i say in woking, to happen. like i say in woking, key services being cut back. key services are being cut back. and a council and then you look at a council like croydon which went bust after a series of ridiculous investments tax has investments and council tax has gone up by 15% so it's gone up by 15% there. so it's ehhen gone up by 15% there. so it's either, well, the service is going to get cut back. council tax is shooting up and it's all because some very high paid people in the town halls are playing monopoly.

>> yeah , play monopoly. >> yeah, play monopoly. absolutely right. look, connor , absolutely right. look, connor, thank very much. great thank you very much. great stuff. holohan stuff. that's conor holohan there. campaign there. he's a campaign manager, media at media campaign manager at the taxpayers alliance . so you want taxpayers alliance. so you want to have a closer look at your council, right? there's some big hitters there who are about to go hitters there who are about to 9° p0p hitters there who are about to go pop or have gone pop. but certainly you might have go pop or have gone pop. but cc look ly you might have go pop or have gone pop. but cc look there| might have go pop or have gone pop. but cc look there as ight have go pop or have gone pop. but cc look there as well. have go pop or have gone pop. but celook there as well. but have go pop or have gone pop. but cc look there as well. but look, ve a look there as well. but look, here's a little story that caught my eye and that is suddenly off the beaten track of the like to the news agenda. i'd like to finish hour with something finish an hour with something called patrick's pick. don't finish an hour with something ceman patrick's pick. don't finish an hour with something ceman from :k's pick. don't finish an hour with something ceman from hampshireyn't finish an hour with something ceman from hampshire had a close a man from hampshire had a close encounter an 11 foot long encounter with an 11 foot long python his conservatory. python in his conservatory. these now these are pictures of the now recaptured snake which slithered through a window and tried to sink its fangs into the arms of robert brown from bishopstoke . robert brown from bishopstoke. he's reported as saying that the situation could have, quote, been a lot worse if he hadn't reacted quickly. i'm not surprised . and good grief, surprised. and good grief, imagine waking up with that wrapped around your neck or its fangs sticking into you. mr byrne suffered minor injuries. he's snake owners to

he's calling on snake owners to be responsible . i've got be more responsible. i've got to. how do you lose a snake? it does seem remarkable to me that an 11 foot python could just go missing. but the slippery snake which entered mr brown's house is being cared for now by a reptile welfare centre in tunbridge in kent. an owner is yet to come forward and claim it . i think that's possibly even more concerning, isn't it? i mean, how many more of these things are there out there? but i'd just that story because i'd just like that story because that a man fought a snake that is a man who fought a snake and won and that gets my respect. but coming up in the next rishi sunak's net next hour, rishi sunak's net zero watering down announcement. yes for next yes all to play for in the next houn yes all to play for in the next hour. he's going be taken to hour. he's going to be taken to the plinth at 430. let's find out what he has to say. how far will he go? and i will be joined live studio by the one live in the studio by the one and only priti patel who's going to it live. then to be watching it live. and then reacting to patrick christys reacting to it. patrick christys gb news, britain's news channel reacting to it. patrick christys g brighter britain's news channel reacting to it. patrick christys g brighter outlook news channel reacting to it. patrick christys g brighter outlook withs channel reacting to it. patrick christys g brighter outlook with boxtinel solar. >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. hi there.

>> welcome to your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. i'm alex burkill and we have some further wet and windy weather to come as wet and windy weather to come as we go through the next few days, but something quieter to but perhaps something quieter to end at the moment we're end friday. at the moment we're under low under the influence of low pressure to the northwest of the uk strong uk. this is bringing strong winds and also a weather front across south—east we go across the south—east as we go through afternoon into across the south—east as we go throevening,afternoon into across the south—east as we go throevening, leadingn into across the south—east as we go throevening, leading to into across the south—east as we go throevening, leading to some 0 the evening, leading to some heavy rain could cause some problems go through problems as we go through evening in particular evening rush hour in particular here. elsewhere, overnight, there clear skies there will be some clear skies around, also still some around, but also still some showers, for showers, particularly for western england and western parts of england and wales and towards the north and west scotland and northern west of scotland and northern ireland clear ireland under the clear skies, temperatures dip temperatures are going to dip a little bit lower than they have done recent nights. done through some recent nights. many cities, though, many towns and cities, though, just double just about holding up in double figures through thursday morning. rain in the morning. then any rain in the south—east quickly clearing away and is a brighter, and then it is a brighter, sunnier picture many us sunnier picture for many of us than has been recently. but than it has been recently. but by time that we get to the by the time that we get to the afternoon, i am expecting plenty of across of showers to develop across parts and wales and parts of england and wales and the across scotland and

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gb news it is 4 pm. is patrick christys is gb news massive massive hour coming your way. >> why? because we've got this live at half four rishi sunak will give a big, big speech about net zero supposedly scale it back. but what does all of that really mean? does it make you more likely to go and vote for him? i will be joined, of course, as well by priti patel, former home secretary live in the studio will build up to it. she'll then react to it. what will be the view there of the conservative back benchers and this a big this as well we'll have a big debate will sunak win the next election based off the net zero pledges alone ? is this now clear pledges alone? is this now clear blue water between him and the labor party and everybody else? and do you actually believe him?

so all to play for. but it's not the only story in town because there's well new eu there's this as well a new eu seriously and will britain be a part of it? france and germany supposedly a redrawing up the european union and maybe cost armour with the shadowy figure of tony blair behind him was to drag us into it. can we possibly go for of that? and one go for a bit of that? and one more for you. that's right. go for a bit of that? and one more for you. that's right . a more for you. that's right. a migrant hotel row to end all rows. this is most egregious rows. this is the most egregious example an asylum seeker example of an asylum seeker hotel that you will ever see. patrick christys . gb news. yes, patrick christys. gb news. yes, i'm going in right at the start with a massive whopping great big debate on whether or not rishi sunak scaling back net zero is a good thing. but let me know what you think. gb views gbnews.com. hey, and while you're well, have you you're there as well, have you got questions you want to got any questions you want to ask priti patel? five for it into email address into that email address you never well ask her never know. i may well ask her but now it's your but right now it's your

headunes but right now it's your headlines with polly . patrick headlines with polly. patrick >> thank you. hello to you. well, the king and queen are in paris, france , as part of paris, france, as part of a three day state visit celebrating shared history, culture and values . culture and values. >> they . aidan magee be the >> they. aidan magee be the royal couple were greeted by president emmanuel macron and his wife at a ceremony of remembrance at the arc de triomphe. the king and the president are meeting at the elysee palace this afternoon before attending a state banquet this evening at the palace of versailles . the prime minister versailles. the prime minister is due to deliver a speech this afternoon which is thought to be an announcement regarding net zero policies. rishi sunak is expected to set out revised plans which may include rolling back on some policies involving phasing out gas boilers and banning petrol or diesel cars. the mayor of london says the government's passing up a huge

opportunity to reduce bills and create jobs . the plan also risks create jobs. the plan also risks igniting a row within the prime minister's own party, with some mps are said to be penning letters of no confidence else. the government's plan to deal with inflation is working, according to the chancellor. data out this morning shows the rate of inflation fell to 6.7% in august. that's down from 6.8% in august. that's down from 6.8% in july by the bank of england had predicted the figure to increase to more than 7. it comes ahead of another expected interest rate increase tomorrow, which might end up being the bank's 15th which might end up being the bank's15th rise in a row. the chancellor, jeremy hunt, says despite the fall in inflation, it's still too high. >> the path to lowering inflation is never easy because it doesn't happen in a straight line. but if you look at the overall picture since it peaked last autumn, it is now down 40. and that says the plan is working. but even at 6.7, that is a lot of pain for ordinary

families who are seeing their shopping bills go up, their fuel pnces shopping bills go up, their fuel prices go up. and that is why it is essential that we continue to stick to that plan, deliver the prime minister's pledge and the bank of england's target, get it right to down 2% >> consultants and junior doctors are holding their first ever joint strike today as they continue their walkout over pay. gb news reporter sophie reaper is at a picket line outside manchester royal infirmary today is strike day as junior doctors and consultants have walked out together for the first time in the history of the nhs. >> now in the coming days, it's anticipated that over 100,000 appointments and operations lines could well be cancelled . lines could well be cancelled. and yet it still seems that these strikes have the support of the public. a new poll has found that 70% of english adults who were asked feel that talks should be reopened and that 63% believe that these professions

should receive a pay rise . should receive a pay rise. meanwhile thousands of london underground workers are to walk out amid a long running dispute overjob out amid a long running dispute over job cuts and safety concerns , as the rmt union says concerns, as the rmt union says , strike action will hit commuters in the capital on the fourth and 6th of october for the home secretary has said plans by a social media giant to introduce end to end encryption will create a safe haven for. >> meta, which owns facebook, instagram and whatsapp, plans to make the encryption settings standard on all 1 to 1 chats by the end of the year. suella braverman, though, says the change will hamper efforts to carry out vital investigation work. she's calling on the company to work with the government to ensure adequate safety measures are in place . safety measures are in place. >> will find a safe haven in facebook messenger and instagram direct. they will be able to go dark . the law enforcement

dark. the law enforcement agencies will not have the access that they have today to stop them, to arrest them, to get just this. and we will only see see child abuse online and in person increase the police officer who shot a man in south london shot him dead in south london shot him dead in south london in september last year, has been charged with his murder. >> the 24 year old was chris kaba. he was killed after the car. kaba. he was killed after the can he kaba. he was killed after the car. he was driving was being followed by an unmarked police car with no lights or sirens on. the officer hasn't been named , the officer hasn't been named, but he has been suspended from duty . he's due to appear at duty. he's due to appear at westminster magistrates court tomorrow . now, you may have tomorrow. now, you may have noficedifs tomorrow. now, you may have noticed it's a bit dark and windy today across much of the uk as remnants of hurricane nigel sweep the country, flood warnings are in place in parts of england and wales as well with unsettled conditions continuing well into the weekend. a lovely sunny week expected next week, though it's not all heavy rain, but you can expect more rain for the moment

out in western regions with higher altitude areas such as snowdonia in wales potentially seeing even heavier downpours as don't think that's the right name for snowdonia. we'll get the right name up in my next bulletin. you're with gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news . news. channel >> we're now about 20 minutes away from a moment that could define the next general election. it could define rishi sunaks premiership. frankly sunaks premiership. and frankly , could the future of , it could define the future of britain really in a way when it comes to net zero. but former prime minister boris johnson has warned cannot warned that, quote, we cannot afford now now or in afford to falter. now now or in any way lose our ambition for this country as rishi sunak prepares to ditch controversial net zero commitments that will be brought to you live on the

show in about 20 minutes. so the prime minister says he remains committed to the 2050 net zero target caused a rift in his target it's caused a rift in his own party. the home secretary, suella braverman has urged the government and said that it's not going to save the planet by bankrupting britons. but that other tories have expressed outrage at a potential betrayal of green policies and commitments. we spoke about one home secretary there. i've got a former home secretary joining me in a few moments in the studio in a few moments time, patel is going to be time, priti patel is going to be geanng time, priti patel is going to be gearing up and then reacting to rishi sunak's announcement. but joining of joining me now now is head of policy net zero. watch harry policy at net zero. watch harry wilkinson and donna mccarthy, director media director of the climate media coalition. i just thought, why not? go hammer and tongs not? let's go hammer and tongs right from the start. harry i'll start you. is this good start with you. is this a good thing that sunak is doing thing that rishi sunak is doing potentially the potentially rowing back on the banning petrol banning of diesel and petrol cars and talking about all sorts of stuff as well? you know, no new green taxes and things like that. this good ? that. is this good? >> well, patrick, you're completely right to focus on how significant this could be. it's

been an extraordinary day , and i been an extraordinary day, and i certainly hope that he's about to announce this. a change net zero approach. let's be clear. you know, these are tentative steps. we're still seeing a ban on petrol and diesel cars in 2035 rather than 2030. but i think where the significance of this is, is the government being honest, that there are trade offs involved with net zero for so long we've just been told we're going to get richer. everything is going to be great and net zero is just a panacea for all our problems. the reality is very different. people instinctively have always known that , but the government known that, but the government hasn't fronted up to the reality. they're hopefully going to do that now. and that's why i am optimistic that the rishi is about to announce some good news. yeah. >> john mauger this is this is not a full scale rowing back of net is it? more the net zero, is it? it's more the way rishi sunak will inevitably bracket this. it's slower bracket this. it's a slower pace, financially pace, more financially responsible way of doing it that fits in with a kind of cost benefit analysis and what's wrong with that ? wrong with that? >> well , the message that rishi

>> well, the message that rishi sunakis >> well, the message that rishi sunak is giving to the world, as the world leaders are meeting in new york to address the crisis, is britain is going to is that britain is going to actually roll back on its commitments tackling the commitments to tackling the climate crisis. >> the complete opposite what >> the complete opposite of what margaret did when she margaret thatcher did when she went the to lead. went to the un to lead. >> and he's doing the opposite. >> and he's doing the opposite. >> actually saying >> he's actually saying undermining the un. when thatcher said britain will thatcher said we as britain will leave un and the issue is leave the un and the issue is what's interesting to me is that none of the measures that that rishi is announcing will help consumer reduce bills. for example , reducing the example, reducing the requirement on landlords to make energy efficient rented a property means consumers will pay property means consumers will pay higher bills. >> there. >> there. >> absolute devastating destruction of the wind auction last week means another 2 billion. on to consumers prices. as we look forward. so it's a disaster for consumers and disaster for consumers and disaster for consumers and disaster for the economy and worst of all, disaster for the future. climate >> okay, lots to unpack there, harry. why should rishi sunak care about what people at the

world stage think when countries like india and china don't really appear to be doing anything to help out? so why should rishi sunak not care more about your ordinary working class british taxpayer ? class british taxpayer? >> i agree britain has already decarbonised further than pretty much any other major developed country, so we've already done a lot. we're still going to be doing a lot more. but you know, we've got to be thinking about the impact on ordinary people when you're talking about banning petrol cars, you're talking about you know, a technology that gets most people around and to their jobs to see their families. this is fundamental to people's personal freedoms and so when you're talking about phasing them out, it all sounds very nice, but the hard reality is that it will hurt people, it will push up the cost of driving. it will make it something that the wealthy something that only the wealthy can it's right that can afford. so it's right that he's listening to concerns he's listening to the concerns and right that he's pushing and it's right that he's pushing it donnica on. it back. donnica go on. >> i think i can hear you chuntering there. what's >> i think i can hear you

chun gripe? there. what's your gripe? >> well, the royal automobile, the rac , the representative for the rac, the representative for the rac, the representative for the motorist and rac said running an ev and ownership is cheaper than a fossil fuelled car and so by by putting back the date where we're banning new fossil fuel cars in 2030, it means that there'll be less good value second hand evs available for the working class people who needit for the working class people who need it to get around in a way that's actually green and doesn't poison our kids lungs. so it's again damaging the working class . working class. >> if rishi sunak goes ahead with the announcement donica that expecting him to make that we're expecting him to make today, sooner do you today, how much sooner do you think we'll all burn to death? >> acting facile question >> well, acting facile question like that i think is beneath you, patrick. you're better than that. not sure as you're. that. i'm not sure as you're. well, we can have that over . well, we can have that over. discuss that over a pint. well, we can have that over. discuss that over a pint . the discuss that over a pint. the fact is , as we are talking today fact is, as we are talking today , thousands of people are being buned , thousands of people are being buried in libya , 240 years worth buried in libya, 240 years worth of septembers . rainfall fell in of septembers. rainfall fell in 24 hours. what happens when that hits the thames valley in

london? >> if the thames valley gets 240 years of water, september rainfall in 1—1 day. >> london's under water. so we need to act urgently and we collectively, in my view . collectively, in my view. >> okay, now, now, harry, look, if what donica says there is true and no doubt i would imagine you might dispute some of what he said there, but let's just say that's true. and people are aware of that. but it is nonetheless a vote winner to do what rishi sunak is saying, then. we in a democracy and then. we live in a democracy and if he does it and people vote for it, then so be it. no there is no contradiction here because we're actually seeing fewer deaths in extreme weather worldwide than we have in 100 years. >> the rates have actually fallen very considerably , and fallen very considerably, and that's because of technological progress . yes, the fear mongers progress. yes, the fear mongers are frankly incorrect and when it comes to these policies , you it comes to these policies, you know, it's a tragic place in the british economy that we now

almost have a planned system in which the car manufacturers themselves are trying to team up with government to ban their competitors. what donica was saying about evs should be up for consumers to say if they think an ev is going to be more affordable for them, they should make that choice. no one's banning evs. we're talking about banning evs. we're talking about banning petrol and diesel cars and so the choice is what's going to drive progress here. >> donald rishi sunak talking a bit about a kind cost benefit bit about a kind of cost benefit analysis, and is it analysis, right? and is it unfair of me to suggest that for you obviously the future of our planet is by far and away the most important thing, and therefore kind of bankrupting ourselves to secure that future is worthwhile . i mean, ourselves to secure that future is worthwhile. i mean, is ourselves to secure that future is worthwhile . i mean, is that is worthwhile. i mean, is that is worthwhile. i mean, is that is that unfair? because for a lot of people that might not be their top priority, you know, it's a really unfair way of framing patrick, and i'm sure, you know, it's an unfair framing of we actually have cut our >> we actually have cut our carbon emissions for electricity by 50% the last ten years by 50% over the last ten years and has bankrupted us and and has not bankrupted us and has helped protect us against the inflation in fossil

the massive inflation in fossil fuel prices that occurred following the russian invasion of it is not a choice of ukraine. it is not a choice between economy and green. as lord deben , the tory chair of lord deben, the tory chair of the climate change committee said very clearly, it's a win win for the economy and for climate. if you take so, for example, if the government restored the insulation programme that it cut in 2013 following the global warming policy foundation funding , 9 policy foundation funding, 9 million people would be paying less bills now than they are because of that. >> if britain, donald costa, were you for this for the moment, if britain just extinguished itself tomorrow and no longer continue to exist, i mean, what what massive impact is that to have on on the is that going to have on on the on the global climate if china and etcetera? and india, etcetera? keep keep doing doing ? doing what they're doing? >> wouldn't obviously >> well, we wouldn't obviously don't want that to happen. >> however what britain >> but however what what britain has impact on global has a massive impact on global fossil fuels is first of all we invest 15% of global investment invest 15% of global investment in new fossil fuels, which un says is untenable in new fossil fuels globally. >> secondly, we're 50% of the

global insurance market. >> we're a significant part of the market. therefore, the market. so therefore, britain is has a massive impact on on on on global action, on climate . and we should be climate. and we should be leading not not just saying it. >> okay, harry, i'll give you leading not not just saying it. >> final harry, i'll give you leading not not just saying it. >> final wordy, i'll give you leading not not just saying it. >> final word to 'll give you leading not not just saying it. >> final word to you ive you leading not not just saying it. >> final word to you on you leading not not just saying it. >> final word to you on this the final word to you on this then. the final word to you on this then . you fundamentally , am then. you fundamentally, am i right in saying, do you not believe we are in the midst of a climate emergency? is that where we as far as you're we are as far as you're concerned? >> i believe that climate change is happening. it's real. it's a threat, should deal with threat, but we should deal with it in a responsible way. i'm hopeful prime minister hopeful that the prime minister is announce is about to announce a more sensible approach than we've been before. i been seeing before. but i actually welcome donica actually welcome what donica just terms of it's not just said in terms of it's not a choice between the economy and the environment. it's a choice between a statist interventionist approach , which interventionist approach, which involves banning things versus is an approach that could be led by innovation and technological progress . yes. so that is the progress. yes. so that is the choice here. he's right that it isn't a choice between the economy the environment, but economy and the environment, but we've more sensible we've got to see more sensible policies that won't leave people poorer . poorer. >> okay. i actually do just

think might to have 1—1 think i might have to have 1—1 more you both. going to more with you both. i'm going to ask of the same ask you kind of the same question actually . why you question actually. why do you think like what think if people do like what rishi sunak is supposedly about to say , then that kind of makes to say, then that kind of makes them idiots ? them idiots? >> i no , i think there is >> i no, i think there is a massive campaign by the billionaire media, the sun and the mail to destroy climate action in this country. and actually that is what is happening in this situation. rishi is obeying his masters of the mail and the sun and actually ignoring the actually ignoring what the british public said. again british public has said. again and again, british and again, the british public in large opinion and large amounts of opinion and they are in favour of climate action. they government action. they want the government to more . to do more. >> yeah, actually, what i think part of the common ground here is if we can take action that helps people, especially poor , helps people, especially poor, reduce their carbon emissions and healthier lives, then and have healthier lives, then that's a good thing. >> and we can do by >> and we can do that by insulating by insulating their homes, by subsidising transport and subsidising public transport and removing the poll energy removing the poll tax on energy bills, the standing bills, which is the standing charge win win for poor charge win, win win for poor people for climate . people and for climate. >> i mean, i suppose, harry, the

flip would be is flip side to that would be is that like just stop oil that groups like just stop oil helped to bankroll the labour party, they? helped to bankroll the labour parwell, they? helped to bankroll the labour parwell, tiknow, we can debate >> well, you know, we can debate about funds who, but the key about who funds who, but the key point is that the british point here is that the british people very sensible. they people are very sensible. they support net zero. support the target of net zero. but what they don't support are these draconian measures . when these draconian measures. when we conservative voters we look at conservative voters in particular, particularly, 59% oppose the banning of gas boilers in 2030. you know 75% oppose the banning of new petrol and diesel cars. so the numbers are clear. >> this is the this is the thing, isn't it? it all look, it all depends how you ask the question right? this is this is the thing. and you can you can very legitimately on one side of it, the majority of it, say the vast majority of people support taking drastic action change. action on climate change. you could series could ask the series of different questions and get the kind results that you're kind of results that you're talking they're cracking kind of results that you're talking top they're cracking kind of results that you're talking top of they're cracking kind of results that you're talking top of the zy're cracking kind of results that you're talking top of the hour. racking kind of results that you're talking top of the hour. youing kind of results that you're talking top of the hour. you love debate top of the hour. you love to see it. thank you very much. both you. that is the head of both of you. that is the head of policy at zero. watch policy at net zero. watch harry wilkinson mccarthy, wilkinson and jonathan mccarthy, director media director of the climate media coalition. just coalition. if you're just joining we are now probably

joining us, we are now probably about away from rishi about 50 minutes away from rishi sunak, making sunak, potentially making a career country defining career and country defining speech. you on speech. i've been asking you on twitter, will you likely twitter, will you be more likely to for the conservative to vote for the conservative party scales back party if rishi sunak scales back net fan party if rishi sunak scales back net far, yes. 63. no. net zero? so far, yes. 63. no. 37. not as clear cut as many people thought, but some breaking news for you now because commons speaker sir lindsay hoyle has reacted furiously to rishi sunak holding a press conference to announce his new green policy rather than addressing mps as a spokeswoman for the speaker's office said this if he had the power to the speaker would recall the house immediately. and he is writing to the prime minister today to express that view in the strongest of terms. this is a major policy shift and it should have been announced when the house was sitting members with very different views on this issue have expressed their disquiet on the way this has been handled , especially as the been handled, especially as the commons rose early last night. so there was plenty of time for the statement to be made. so it's kicked off in the speaker's chair . it's kicked off in the speaker's chair. coming up very shortly,

i'll be heading to downing street for rishi sunak's announcement. patel will announcement. priti patel will be the studio with as be in the studio with me as well. but before all of that, i'll giving little bit i'll be giving you a little bit of a taste about one of, if not the most egregious example of a migrant hotel popping up anywhere have ever anywhere that you will have ever heard christys gb heard of. patrick christys gb news

gbnews.com on tv radio and onune gbnews.com on tv radio and online gb news. britain's news. channel >> okay welcome back , everybody. >> okay welcome back, everybody. priti patel is in the building

by the way, so we'll be hearing from her very shortly. but before that, a planning application to house 400 asylum seekers a former hotel has seekers in a former hotel has been recommended for refusal by planning this is one planning officials. this is one of most egregious examples of the most egregious examples of the most egregious examples of that i've of a migrant hotel that i've ever by way. so the ever seen by the way. so the plan to house 250 men in the former north hope hall country house hotel was submitted by flintshire county back flintshire county council back in but the men could be in june. but the men could be housed the temporary units in housed in the temporary units in a hotel car park with another 150 housed in the 37 bedroom building for up to get this seven years. well, northop hall village action. they formed to oppose the plans say that it is concerns over a lack of amenities but there's loads more to this okay. because actually this hotel has a conjoining wall to a cluster of houses. so quite literally, these people would now be living in a migrant hotel . i'm joined now by kate banjo and gina hamilton as well, who are both residents of the local area. great to see you both again. now, just talk to me a

bit about where we're up to on this and exactly how badly this would affect your lives as okay. >> so in terms of the update since we were last on the air, the council have now set a date. >> so the hearing will be next week, wednesday. and apparently it's streamed live on the flintshire county council website . um, it's they are also website. um, it's they are also planning to come up and do a site visit as well to have a look around all the facilities and how it will impact us. um, and how it will impact us. um, and that's going to happen within the next few days. >> okay. and, and just in terms of the numbers, right? so can you just remind people about youn you just remind people about your, your house where you guys live now? it's right up against, isn't it, where these asylum seekers would be and to the point where you'd actually share a wall. i mean, they could get onto your onto the flat roof and all sorts. can you just tell us all sorts. can you just tell us a bit about that, please? yeah

it's. >> it's terrifying. it's, um , >> it's terrifying. it's, um, it's really terrifying. so i have a little girl. um, she . have a little girl. um, she. she's 2.5 hour. her bedroom window. those are all overlooked by. because the building of the hotel is literally attached to the back of my parents house. um, they could there's a flat roof as well. just underneath where our bedroom windows are. so they could literally climb onto that and look through my dad, who is 78, has climbed up on that just to show how, you know, easy it is to be able to do. and he's 78. um all of us there are three households here. we're all completely attached andifs we're all completely attached and it's absolutely terrifying thing. completely consuming thing. it's completely consuming and gina, just just quickly, how is it impacting you and your life there and what do you want done about this now ? done about this now? >> we would be completely overwhelmed if there were 408 of single men . single men. >> so it's one demographic and there isn't a lot of outside for space these men because they're

using a lot of it to put the modules on. so they will be forced around to sort of walk around and about and our houses are just right in the middle of it. i don't think that they would actually know the difference between our houses and the hotel because similar in character and they're similar to look at and they're attached. yeah, yeah, exactly. >> now look both of you, can i just say a massive thank you for, for, for making the time for, for, for making the time for me today. we are going to keep up with this here at gb news. i'm sorry, this is a bit short on sweet, but we've got this rishi sunak this massive rishi sunak announcement i'm going announcement which i'm going to have get to now, actually. so have to get to now, actually. so thank very much, both of thank you very much, both of you. but we stay all over thank you very much, both of you. i ut we stay all over thank you very much, both of you. i think stay all over thank you very much, both of you. i think it's stay all over thank you very much, both of you. i think it's an ay all over thank you very much, both of you. i think it's an absolutely example, really, of kind bonkers example, really, of kind of illegal of asylum seeker, illegal migrant crisis. but we do return now of the now to this big story of the day rishi sunak poised to rishi sunak is poised to announce the watering down of the change commitments, the climate change commitments, despite a backlash from the industries and the industries involved and the prospect rift prospect of a damaging rift apparently party. apparently in the tory party. the will deliver the prime minister will deliver a in a matter moments. a speech in a matter of moments. we'll bring to you live.

we'll bring that to you live. but here to look ahead to it and then afterwards is then react to it afterwards is then react to it afterwards is the former home secretary, is dame priti patel live in the studio. thank you very much for joining here. nice see joining to be here. nice to see you. what are we expecting you. so what are we expecting from then? your from this then? what's your initial obviously, initial reaction? obviously, before what before we've actually heard what he's had to say? >> so, look, as someone that's been about this issue been speaking about this issue for a little while, in for a little while, both in government and of government and out of government, it's clear, government, it's quite clear, it's us. it's obvious to us. >> think, and to the british >> i think, and to the british pubuc >> i think, and to the british public that there is this obsession basically net obsession basically now with net zero, and, zero, with targets and, you know, measures know, punitive measures basically the british public. basically on the british public. that's believe we that's wrong. i believe that we need technology, not taxes . i need technology, not taxes. i think we have to listen to what the prime minister is going to say today. we should also recognise in recognise i've been in government. i was part of a government. i was part of a government that, you know, we were working were all together working on various issues around collective responsibility , around net zero. responsibility, around net zero. but just to give you one example, i was many years ago , i example, i was many years ago, i was a treasury minister that basically oversaw north sea oil tax concessions , more tax concessions, more investment, more innovation. that's a good thing. rishi has

recently done that as well. but at the same time , you know, i at the same time, you know, i was also part of a government that was trying to pour concrete down fracking holes, which is not a good thing. so the point that i'm making is that actually we clarity and consistency we need clarity and consistency on direction of travel. on the direction of travel. you've already mentioned industry, industry, will and business. they'll want know certainty. they'll want to know that aren't going to that things aren't going to change that can change too much so that they can invest accordingly . and britain invest accordingly. and britain has done well. shouldn't lose has done well. we shouldn't lose sight of this when it comes to decarb know, decarbonisation. and that's innovation and technology. let's hope that technology. so let's hope that rishi builds upon that in a positive and constructive way rather than these policies that, you know, drive obsessive targets, banning diesel cars , targets, banning diesel cars, banning petrol cars that hurts. >> that hurts ordinary. >> that hurts ordinary. >> it hurts ordinary people. >> it hurts ordinary people. >> it hurts ordinary people. >> i think that's that's what we've got to that's the focus, right? >> you know, if people don't want to be poorer, okay, now we aren't going to go in about a minute or two. what are you hoping he says? >> so i think, first of all, we need to actually just, you know,

take the pressure off individuals as around taxes so everyone feels that you're a motorist, you're being penalised all you know, fuel all the time. you know, fuel escalator one example. i escalator is one example. but i think actually this now think actually this is now concentrating around concentrating the minds around banning it's internal banning petrol. so it's internal combustion engine cars move into electric electrification that needs time. you know, when you look at ulez and what that's meant for londoners and people outside of london as well, cost is huge. i know. >> i know people basically that have buy cars . buying have had to buy new cars. buying a new car is not easy. >> at a time when there's a cost of living crisis, when inflation is high, we need to actually be giving people support it. and i think actually we need to hear some this now from prime some of this now from the prime minister that, know, under minister that, you know, under standing concerns, standing the concerns, recognising the pressures that this people , households, this puts on people, households, families businesses as i families and businesses as i represent a constituency that's full of smes, we back them. we're conservatives. we should be supporting them, not putting pressure on them. and i think basically that's what we need to hear more of. >> is it a vote winner? >> is it a vote winner? >> well, course, when you're

>> well, of course, when you're on the side of the british pubuc on the side of the british public for common public standing up for common sense doing the thing sense and doing the right thing to the freedom to to give them the freedom to succeed to live their lives succeed and to live their lives 100% it is. and we need to be doing much more that. i do doing much more of that. i do think there's a balance this. think there's a balance to this. now because, know, it's just now because, you know, it's just been way. now because, you know, it's just bee it's way. now because, you know, it's just bee it's been way. now because, you know, it's just bee it's been like vay. now because, you know, it's just bee it's been like an. now because, you know, it's just bee it's been like an avalanche >> it's been like an avalanche really, of regulations of tax ation, bureaucracy. ation, of bureaucracy. >> do this, you're >> you will do this, you're going we're to go going to go we're going to go live now. >> e w— w— >> rishi sunak giving us net zero but not enough is zero promised, but not enough is delivered. >> they watched the news >> i know they watched the news or read the papers and wonder why the face of the facts as why in the face of the facts as they them, choices are made they have them, choices are made as that they as they are. i know that they dislike westminster game playing, termism and dislike westminster game playlack termism and dislike westminster game playlack of termism and dislike westminster game playlack of accountable sm and dislike westminster game playlack of accountable party,j the lack of accountable party, but most of all, i think people are tired of the false choice between two versions of change that never go beyond a slogan . that never go beyond a slogan. i've prime minister for i've been prime minister for nearly a year now, and it is a privilege of my life. >> i know the fundamentals of our great country are solid and timeless . timeless. >> its people are its greatest strength economically and socially. their hopes and genius

are what propel us forward , not are what propel us forward, not government. government can set the framework step in when needed and step back when necessary . necessary. >> it can make big decisions . >> it can make big decisions. >> it can make big decisions. >> but what i've concluded dunng >> but what i've concluded during my time so far as prime minister is that those decisions , the decisions that could bring real change, change, change that could alter the trajectory of our country can be so caveated, so influenced by special interests , so lacking in debate interests, so lacking in debate and fundamental scrutiny that we've stumbled into a consensus about the future of our country, that no one seems to be happy with . and this is because too with. and this is because too often motivated by short term thinking politics, passions have taken the easy way out , telling taken the easy way out, telling people the bits they want to hear and not necessary . always hear and not necessary. always the bits they need to hear . now the bits they need to hear. now we are making progress , we are making progress, including on my five priorities inflation is down again today and on track to be halved fast growth in the g7 over the last

two years. debt on target to be falling . the nhs treating more falling. the nhs treating more patients than last year and small boats cross icing significantly down on last year. but put simply, that isn't enough. if for too many there remains a nagging sense that the path we're on no matter which party is in government, isn't quite what we hoped for , and quite what we hoped for, and that no one seems to have the courage to say so that we make too little, that we spend too much, that things too take long, and that even when we know these things, we seem powerless to change them . now, i'm here today change them. now, i'm here today to tell you that we do not have to tell you that we do not have to be powerless. our future doesn't have to be a foregone conclusion . our destiny can be conclusion. our destiny can be our own choosing. but only if we change the way our politics works can we be brave in the decisions we make . even if there decisions we make. even if there is a political cost . can we be is a political cost. can we be honest when the facts change,

even if it's awkward and can we put the long term interests of our country before the short term political needs of the moment , even term political needs of the moment, even if it means being controversial ? all i've spent my controversial? all i've spent my first year as prime minister bringing back stability to our economy. your government and our country and now it is time to address the bigger long term questions we face. the real choice confronting us is do we really want to change our country and build a better future for our children ? or do future for our children? or do we want to carry on as we are? i've made my decision. we are going to change and over the coming months, i will set out a series of long term decisions to deliver that change. and that starts today with a new approach to one of the biggest challenges we face climate change. no one can watch the floods in libya or the extreme heat in europe this summer and doubt that it is real

and happening . we must reduce and happening. we must reduce our emissions and when i look at our emissions and when i look at our economic future, i see huge opportunities in green industry. the change in our economy is as profound as the industrial revolution and i'm confident that we can lead the world now, as we did then . so i'll have no as we did then. so i'll have no truck with anyone saying we lack ambition , but there's nothing ambition, but there's nothing ambitious about simply asserting ambitious about simply asserting a goal for a short term headline without being honest with the pubuc without being honest with the public about the tough choices and sacrifices involved . and and sacrifices involved. and without any meaningful democratic debate about how we get there. the climate change committee have rightly said that you don't reach net zero simply by wishing it. you don't reach net zero simply by wishing it . yet that's by wishing it. yet that's precisely what previous governments have done . both governments have done. both labour and conservative no. one in westminster politics has yet had the courage to look people in the eye and explain what's really involved . that's wrong

really involved. that's wrong and it changes. now the plans made on your behalf. assume this country will take an extraordinary series of steps that will fundamentally change our lives . a ban on buying new our lives. a ban on buying new boilers, even if your home will never , ever be suitable for never, ever be suitable for a heat pump , a ban that takes heat pump, a ban that takes effect in just three years for those off the gas grid and mandatory home upgrades for property owners in just two years time, there have even been proposals for taxes on eating meat. new taxes on flying. compulsory car sharing . if you compulsory car sharing. if you drive to work and a government diktat to sort your rubbish into seven different bins. now i believe deeply that when you ask most people about climate change, they want to do the right thing. they're even prepared to make sacrifices . his prepared to make sacrifices. his but it cannot be right for westminster to impose such significant costs on working people, especially those who are already struggling to make ends

meet to and interfere so much in people's way of life without a properly informed national debate . that's especially true debate. that's especially true now because we're so far ahead of every other country in the world. we've had the fastest reduction in greenhouse gas emissions in the g7 , down almost emissions in the g7, down almost 50% since 1990. france . is 22. 50% since 1990. france. is 22. the us no change at all. china up the us no change at all. china ”p by the us no change at all. china up by 300. and when our share of global emissions is less than 1, how can it be right that british citizens are now being told to sacrifice even more than others 7 sacrifice even more than others ? because the risk here for those of us who care about reaching net zero, as i do , is reaching net zero, as i do, is simple. if we continue down this path , we risk the consent -—— 7 the british z the british people and z the british peopiwould not resulting backlash would not just be specific 77.7 —— policies, but against the wider mission itself, meaning we might

meg-rm "gs” mej-finw we mfl” achieve m-ee-en ifeeh lt-emfi-m ese mn” achieve our goal. m-ee-en ifeeh mee-finn ese mn” achieve our goal . that's never achieve our goal. that's why we have to do things differently . we need sensible differently. we need sensible green leadership up. it won't be easy and it will require a wholly new kind of politics, a politics that is transparent and the space for a better , more the space for a better, more honest debate about how we secure the country's long term interests. so how do we do that? what is our new approach to achieving net zero? well, first, we need to change the debate. we're stuck between two extremes. those who want to abandon net zero altogether, either because the costs are too high, too great, or high, the burdens too great, or in some cases they don't accept the overwhelming evidence for climate change at all. and then there are others who argue with an ideological zeal . we must an ideological zeal. we must move even faster and go even further. no matter the cost or disruption to people's lives. and regardless of how much

quicker we're already moving than any other country , both than any other country, both extremes are wrong, both fail to reckon with the reality of the situation . yes, net zero is situation. yes, net zero is going to be hard and will require us to change. but in a democracy we must also be able to scrutiny and debate those changes , many of which are changes, many of which are hidden in plain sight in a realistic manner. this debate needs more clarity , maybe not needs more clarity, maybe not more emotion . the test should more emotion. the test should be, do we have the fairest credible path to reach net zero by 2050.7 credible path to reach net zero by 2050? in a way that brings people with us? since i've become prime minister, i've examined our plans and i don't think they meet that test. we seem to have defaulted to an approach which will impose unacceptable costs on hard pressed british families , costs pressed british families, costs that no one was ever really told about and which may not actually be necessary to deliver the

emissions reduction that we need . and why am i confident in saying that? because over the last decade or more, we've massively over delivered on every one of our carbon budgets despite continuous predictions we'd missed them . we've seen we'd missed them. we've seen rapid technological advances which have made things like renewables far cheaper and just consider offshore wind where costs have fallen by 70% more than we projected in 2016. and people are increasingly choosing to go green . look at how demand to go green. look at how demand for electric vehicles is consistently outstripped . consistently outstripped. forecasts now , given all these forecasts now, given all these things, i'm confident that we can adopt a more pragmatic, proportionate and realistic approach to meeting net zero that eases the burdens on working people and that's the second part of our new approach . now, i'm not saying there will be no hard choices and nor am i abandoning any of our targets

and commitments . but i am and commitments. but i am unequivocal that we will meet our international agreements, including the critical promises including the critical promises in paris and glasgow, to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees. i i'm proud that our country leads the world on net zero with the most ambitious 2030 target of any major economy . and as we're any major economy. and as we're committed as ever to helping developing countries . just the developing countries. just the other week i announced to billion dollars for the green climate fund , the single biggest climate fund, the single biggest commitment of its kind the uk has ever made. but we can do all of this in a fairer, better way. and today i can set out details of what our new approach will mean for people. that starts with electric vehicles . we're with electric vehicles. we're working hard to make the uk a world leader . working hard to make the uk a world leader. i'm proud that we've already attracted billions of new investments from companies like tata's jaguar ,

companies like tata's jaguar, land rover, gigafactory , and i land rover, gigafactory, and i expect that by 2030, the vast majority of cars sold will be electric. why because the costs are reducing and the range is improving. the charging infrastructure is growing . infrastructure is growing. people are already choosing electric vehicles to such an extent that we're registering a new one every 60s . but i also new one every 60s. but i also think that at least for now, it should be you, the consumer, that makes that choice, not government forcing you to do it because the upfront cost still is high, especially for families struggling with the cost of living . small businesses are living. small businesses are worried about the practicalities and we've got further to go to get the charging infrastructure truly nationwide. and we need to strengthen our own auto industry so we aren't reliant on heavily subsidised and carbon intensive imports from countries like china . so to give us more time china. so to give us more time to prepare, i'm announcing today that we're going to ease the

transition to electric vehicles . you'll still be able to buy .you'll still be able to buy petrol and diesel cars and vans until 2035, even after that, you'll still be able to buy and sell them second hand. we're aligning our approach with countries like germany, france , countries like germany, france, spain, italy, australia . canada, spain, italy, australia. canada, sweden and us states such as california, new york and massachusetts sits. and still ahead of the rest of america and other countries like new zealand . now to get to net zero, we also need a fairer, better approach to decarbonising how we heat our homes. we're making huge advances in the technology that we need to do that, like heat pumps. but we need a balance between incentivising businesses to innovate it so heat pumps become even cheaper, more effective and more attractive . but without imposing attractive. but without imposing costs on hard pressed families at a time when technology is often still expensive and won't

work in all homes. for a family living in a terraced house in darlington , the upfront cost darlington, the upfront cost could be around £10,000. now, even the most committed advocates of net zero must recognise that if our solution is to force people to pay that kind of money, support will collapse and will simply never get there . so i'm announcing get there. so i'm announcing today that we will give people far more time to make the necessary transition to heat pumps. we'll never force anyone to rip out their existing boiler and replace it with a heat pump. you'll only ever have to make the switch when you're replacing your boiler anyway . and even your boiler anyway. and even then, not until 2035. and to help those households for whom this will be the hardest, i'm introducing a new exemption today, so that they will never have to switch at all. now this doesn't mean i'm any less committed to decarbonising our homes . quite the opposite . but homes. quite the opposite. but rather than banning boilers before , more people can afford

before, more people can afford the alternative , we're going to the alternative, we're going to support them to make the switch. i'm announcing today that the boiler upgrade scheme , which boiler upgrade scheme, which gives people cash grants to replace their boiler , will be replace their boiler, will be increased by 50% to 7500 pounds. there are no strings attached. there are no strings attached. the money will never need to be repaid and this is one of the most generous schemes of its kind in europe. next, energy efficiency. now, this is critical to making our homes cheaper to heat . that's why cheaper to heat. that's why we've got big government grants like the great british insulation scheme. but under current plans, some property owners would have been forced to make expensive upgrades in just two years time for a semi—detached house in salisbury , you could be looking at a bill of £8,000 as and even if you're only renting, you're more than likely see some of that passed on in higher rents. that's just

wrong. so those plans will be scrapped and while we will continue to subsidise energy efficiency, we'll never force any household to do it. and that's not all the debate about how we get to net zero has thrown up a range of worrying proposals and today i want to confirm that under this government they will never happen.the government they will never happen. the proposal for government to interfere in how many passengers you can have in your car. i've scrapped it . the your car. i've scrapped it. the proposal that we should force you to have seven different bins in your home. i've scrapped it. the proposal to make you change your diet and harm british farmers by taxing meat or to create new taxes to discourage flying or going on holiday. i've scrapped those too. and nor will we ban new oil and gas in the nonh we ban new oil and gas in the north sea, which would simply leave us reliant on expensive imported energy from foreign dictators like putin. we will never impose these unnecessary

and heavy handed measures on you.the and heavy handed measures on you. the british people. but we will still meet our international commitments and hit zero net by 2050. and if we're going to change politics in the way i'm talking about, we can never allow carbon budgets to be set in the same way again . the last carbon budget process was debated in the house of commons for just 17 minutes was debated in the house of commons forjust 17 minutes and commons for just 17 minutes and voted through with barely any consideration given to the hard choices needed to fulfil it . it choices needed to fulfil it. it was carbon equivalent of was the carbon equivalent of promising to boost government spending with no way to pay for it. that's not a responsible way to make decisions which have such a bearing on people's lives. so when parliament votes on carbon budgets in the future, i want to see it. consider the plans to meet that budget. at the same time , if the first part the same time, if the first part of our new approach to meeting net zero is to change the debate. and the second part is a more pragmatic, proportionate

and realistic approach that eases the burdens on families . eases the burdens on families. then the third is to embrace with even greater enthusiasm the incredible opportunities of green industry and take the necessary and practical steps to create whole new sectors and hundreds of thousands of good, well—paid jobs right across the country . we're already home to country. we're already home to four of the world's largest offshore wind farms. we're building an even bigger one in dogger bank and improving our auction process to maximise private investment into this world leading industry . we we're world leading industry. we we're lifting the ban on onshore wind . we're investing in four new .we're investing in four new clusters to capture and store carbon from the atmosphere . and carbon from the atmosphere. and we're building new nuclear power stations for the first time in 30 years, just this week, we took a significant long term decision to raise funding for sizewell c, putting beyond all doubt our commitment to

decarbonise our power sector . decarbonise our power sector. and later this autumn we'll shortlist the companies to build the new generation of small modular reactors. but one of our biggest constraints to reaching net zero and improving our energy security is this we're investing billions in new energy projects , yet we don't have the projects, yet we don't have the grid infrastructure to bring that power to households and businesses and when energy security is national security, that's unacceptable. right now , that's unacceptable. right now, it can take 14 years to build new grid infrastructure. there are enough projects waiting to be connected and to generate over half of our future electricity needs . so i can electricity needs. so i can announce today that the chancellor and energy security secretary will shortly bring forward comprehensive of new reforms to energy infrastructure. we'll set out the uk's first ever spatial plan for that infrastructure to give industry certainty and every community a say.

industry certainty and every community a say . we'll speed up community a say. we'll speed up planning for the most nationally significant projects and will end the first come first served approach to grid connections by raising the bar to enter the queue and make sure those ready first will connect first. so from offshore wind to nuclear to a revolution in our energy infrastructure, investors should have absolute confidence that we're getting on with the job and the uk will remain the best place in the world to invest in the green industries of the future, not least because of something else that this country has always excelled at innovation in new technologies . innovation in new technologies. us as a country that emits less than 1% of the world's carbon emissions is one of the most powerful contributions we can make is our unique ability to develop new technology changes that can help the world, like the sense wind team in scotland developing the technology to service offshore floating wind turbines while still out at sea, or the researchers at cambridge,

who pioneered a new way to turn sunlight into fuel. and that's why today we're going further, creating . the new £150 million creating. the new £150 million green future fellowship . this green future fellowship. this will support at least 50 leading scientist and engineers to develop real breakthrough green technologies and it builds on the billion pounds invested as chancellor in the net zero innovation portfolio . and innovation portfolio. and finally, we can't tackle climate change without protecting nature and vice versa. just the loss of forests alone accounts for the equivalent of ten times the global emissions of the entire united kingdom . and in the united kingdom. and in the coming weeks ahead of my attendance at cop 28, i will set out the next stage in our ambitious environmental agenda . ambitious environmental agenda. so in conclusion , this country so in conclusion, this country is proud to be a world leader in reaching net zero by 2050. but we simply won't achieve it unless we change. we're now

going to have a better, more honest debate about how we get there. we'll now have a more pragmatic, proportionate and realist approach that eases the burdens on families. all while doubung burdens on families. all while doubling down on the new green industries of the future . in industries of the future. in a democracy , that's the only democracy, that's the only realistic path to net zero carbon% not imposition, honesty , not obfuscation , pragmatism , , not obfuscation, pragmatism, not ideology . that's how we'll not ideology. that's how we'll turn the challenge of net zero into the greatest opportunity and the proudest achievement of our lifetimes . and this is just our lifetimes. and this is just the start of what we begin today is bigger than any single policy orissue is bigger than any single policy or issue . we are going to change or issue. we are going to change the way our politics works . we the way our politics works. we are going to make different decisions. we won't take the easy way out . there will be easy way out. there will be resistance. but we will meet it because i am determined to

change our country and build a better future for our children . better future for our children. nothing less is acceptable . all nothing less is acceptable. all right | right i turn to some questions from the media. can we start with the bbc, please? yes. >> thank you. prime minister. of nice to the bbc news. course. nice to the bbc news. bofis course. nice to the bbc news. boris johnson says you're faltering. businesses say you've robbed them of certainty. and one of your former cabinet colleagues suggests that this risks putting you on the wrong history. side of history. >> this all because you're side of history. >> this all belosingyou're panicking about losing the election or. >> i've been for a long time and these issues for a long time and as chancellor, i was concerned about the impact on families of some of the policies that were being mooted. when you think about it, as i mentioned, abeut it; sas— '“eflmwd ww, that about it; es—�*p’e'flmned —— —— that would cost —-— z== country. five, ten, £15,000, and we seem to be on autopilot to

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ultimately it's incumbent on theandy then explain to families ultimately it's incumbent on theand down explain to families ultimately it's incumbent on theand down the lain to families ultimately it's incumbent on theand down the country amilies ultimately it's incumbent on the and down the country why,es ultimately it's incumbent on the and down the country why, if up and down the country why, if they disagree with me, there , they disagree with me, there, willing to impose those costs, £10,000, £15,000 on those families in pursuit of something when it's not necessary, when we can meet our carbon targets without it, when we remain a world leader . right. that's without it, when we remain a world leader. right. that's a question for them, because i think my approach is the right one. next can we go to itv and prime minister? >> you know, probably better than anyone that we've had years of underinvestment caused by economic instability , which has economic instability, which has in turn led to low growth . in turn led to low growth. >> when you became prime minister you pledged to restore stability by delaying the targets for motor vehicle replacement boiler replacement. >> many big businesses that want to invest in this country say you've pulled the rug from under them and you've increased

instability, the reverse of what you wanted to do. >> you said , the best thing >> you said, the best thing i can do for business is ensure that we actually continue to deliver net zero because it has the consent of the british public. >> and as you can see in other countries around the world, when people have tried to go too fast, haven't had an open and honest conversation with the country, they've ultimately had honest conversation with the co change |ey've ultimately had honest conversation with the co change course|ltimately had honest conversation with the co change course .timately had honest conversation with the co change course . that'sy had honest conversation with the co change course . that's not|d honest conversation with the co change course . that's not the to change course. that's not the right and that's right thing to do, and that's what we're doing today. we're putting the right putting in place the right policies that will ensure that we net zero, bring people we get to net zero, bring people along with us. and that's what ultimately businesses along with us. and that's what ultiicertainty businesses along with us. and that's what ultiicertainty that businesses along with us. and that's what ultiicertainty that they sinesses along with us. and that's what ultiicertainty that they need;es along with us. and that's what ultiicertainty that they need to the certainty that they need to invest. you mentioned a couple of specific things. time of specific things. the time frame for transitioning electric vehicles. as i pointed out, 2035, that's the same target as that in france , germany, italy, that in france, germany, italy, spain , canada, australia, spain, canada, australia, california . i can go on. that is california. i can go on. that is the global mainstream target in an industry that is global in nature with imports and exports. so we are integrated into it's

hard for anyone to say that that somehow putting us at a disadvantage. i also think what the auto industry wants us to deren the auto industry wants us to deliver, which we will now be able to, is, is our mandate to get from here to there. because able to, is, is our mandate to ge'ifrom here to there. because able to, is, is our mandate to gel said,here to there. because able to, is, is our mandate to gel said, this to there. because able to, is, is our mandate to gel said, this is there. because able to, is, is our mandate to gel said, this is about because able to, is, is our mandate to gel said, this is about 2035 use able to, is, is our mandate to gel said, this is about 2035 ise as i said, this is about 2035 is one aspect of it. but between now and then, we are going to make progress in transitioning to electric vehicles and we're working with industry to put in place pathway to get there, place the pathway to get there, that are incredibly that they are incredibly supportive of. the other thing i would to industry is we're would say to industry is we're doubung would say to industry is we're doubling down on the other things from things that they want from us, and grid infrastructure. things that they want from us, arii grid infrastructure. things that they want from us, arii to id infrastructure. things that they want from us, arii to any ifrastructure. things that they want from us, arii to any business|re. things that they want from us, arii to any business today if i speak to any business today thatis if i speak to any business today that is interested in this space and my cabinet colleagues over there nodding , if you there will be nodding, if you speak to them, speak them, speak to them, speak to them, you claire. what does you speak to claire. what does every ask them about? every business ask them about? how to the grid how do we connect to the grid faster? we want to decarbonise cars, we want to grow. but if it's going to take us years to connect, that's not going to work. we're going to get to work. we're not going to get to energy security net that energy security on net zero that way. that's the reforms that way. that's why the reforms that i the i announced today that the chancellor and the energy security flesh security secretary will flesh out in more in the coming

out in more detail in the coming weeks. will make a transformative for transform ative difference for business those business and particularly those in the power sector. those companies that are queuing up to deliver more renewables. and you all because you speak all know that because you speak to them as well. they'll to them as well. robert they'll all about grid all be asking about grid connections, we're about to connections, but we're about to bnng connections, but we're about to bring forward the most transformative anyone bring forward the most tran done ative anyone bring forward the most tran done ati'upgrade anyone bring forward the most tran done ati'upgrade grid one has done to upgrade our grid infrastructure up infrastructure and speed up connections so i think connections to it. so i think any way you at it, any which way you look at it, you know, we're continuing to do the right things business, the right things for business, whether in r&d to whether it's investing in r&d to realise the benefits of innovation. that's innovation. again, that's something than something we can do better than almost grid almost anyone speeding up grid connections. but most importantly, you know, providing the clarity that the certainty and clarity that we have a path that is sustainable because it's going to done people's consent to be done with people's consent . think that is something . and i think that is something that above that they will prize above everything else . and next, we'll everything else. and next, we'll go to gb news. >> prime minister, you mentioned that the unacceptable costs on hard pressed british families, how much will these changes save the average working and the average working family? and you concern why you talk about concern that why not net zero by 2050 to a not put net zero by 2050 to a referendum that the british people. >> well, when it comes to the

cost, i think you're absolutely right to highlight them. and that's why i've taken the decision taken, decision that i've taken, because as some of the things that being proposed that are being proposed would have families have cost typical families upwards five, ten, £15,000. upwards of five, ten, £15,000. obviously, it depends on the type of property you live in. but you know, for some people off the gas grid, you know, forcing them to install a heat pump would have meant not just the cost of a heat pump, which could be property that, could be in property like that, something £13,000 instead something like £13,000 instead of boiler that would of the boiler that they would have also it could have done. but also it could have done. but also it could have meant that they had to make costly to their costly improvements to their energy efficiency at same energy efficiency at the same time, could been time, which could have been upwards of £20,000. now that's to a sense of the scale to give you a sense of the scale or you take energy efficiency upgrades, which again, we were two away from imposing on two years away from imposing on people cost of those people the average cost of those energy upgrades is energy efficiency upgrades is about £8,000 for a quarter of all households there, well, upwards of ten. these are the types of numbers that we're talking about. and so, look, i get that lots of people out there are going to be critical of what i'm doing today. they'll have their views. but as i

have their own views. but as i said earlier, i guess the question for all those people who are criticising this approach is to ask to approach is to ask them to justify to those families up justify to all those families up and the country why they and down the country why they think it's right to ask them to find ten, 15, £20,000 at a find five, ten, 15, £20,000 at a time when budgets are obviously tight because we're working on getting down getting inflation down in pursuit of a goal that we can deliver without doing those things in a measured way. and we're still at the same time be world leading with our ambition. that's the question for everyone else. i'm interested in doing the right long thing for the right long term thing for the right long term thing for the country actually the country and actually bringing with me bringing people along with me and minimising those costs on families. that's why think families. and that's why i think what announcing today, it families. and that's why i think wiat announcing today, it families. and that's why i think wia break announcing today, it families. and that's why i think wia break from)uncing today, it families. and that's why i think wia break from the ing today, it families. and that's why i think wia break from the past.»day, it families. and that's why i think wia break from the past. it|y, it families. and that's why i think wia break from the past. it is it is a break from the past. it is a it's a different a change. it's a different way to approach decisions. but to approach these decisions. but i the right thing to i think it's the right thing to do and i think it will have very broad support in the country. the referendum, i don't think we've enough referendum, we've had enough referendum, quite . but i think the quite frankly. but i think the point about consent is important and that's motivating me to do

what i'm doing today. as i said, we haven't had an honest conversation about these issues in a long time. conversation about these issues in a longtime. right. it's not in a long time. right. it's not enough to just announce these targets because it's great headune targets because it's great headline in the short term, but kind of will this thing to happen. that's not right. kind of will this thing to happen. that's not right . that's happen. that's not right. that's not of leadership not the type of leadership that i believe in. right. i'm prime minister. want to be upfront minister. i want to be upfront and about we're and honest about what we're doing. believe in net zero. doing. i believe in net zero. we're going to get to net zero, but we're going do it in a but we're going to do it in a fair and proportionate that fair and proportionate way that is the impact on is mindful of the impact on families. i'm absolutely confident we're confident we can do it. we're going to down in all the going to double down in all the areas where we can make a massive difference. we're going to people money in the to save people money in the process, throughout will to save people money in the proitess, throughout will to save people money in the proit with throughout will to save people money in the proit with people's hout will to save people money in the proit with people's consent will do it with people's consent because we're going because that is how we're going to along with us. and to bring them along with us. and if don't do that, those of us if we don't do that, those of us who believe in delivering it will lose people and that's not right. what say right. and that's what i'd say to people the extremes to those people on the extremes of debate, the people who of this debate, the people who approach with approach this with an ideological that will ideological zeal that they will happily they'll happily pay any price, they'll impose on families in impose any cost on families in pursuit it. that's not right. pursuit of it. that's not right. and you will doing and what you will end up doing

is damaging cause of net is damaging the cause of net zero, people will zero, because people will be turned off. and don't want to turned off. and i don't want to see that happen. >> okay. well that was prime minister rishi sunak seismic speech there when it comes to his plans for net zero. he was crystal clear that he wants to bnng crystal clear that he wants to bring the public along with him, that he thinks that the cost of it in the short term was not explained to the british public initially. and frankly was too expensive. and risked expensive. and that risked leaving and leaving the public behind and making unaffordable. making it unaffordable. in amongst he amongst all of this, he mentioned there about mentioned some stuff there about electric and electric vehicles and lengthening of lengthening the amount of time that you can buy one, even that you can still buy one, even if that's second hand. decarbonising homes as well. he was very upfront there about the actual practical costs of what that would have cost you, which i'm not sure everyone was necessarily aware actually to necessarily aware of actually to begin also said some begin with. he also said some lighter things about the government get government is not to going get involved amount of involved with the amount of passengers you can have your passengers you can have in your car. recycling, car. seven bins for recycling, changing your diet or banning new and gas in the north new oil and gas in the north sea. and he was very keen to stress we still want to be stress that we still want to be world leading when it comes to

new of new technology. so a heck of a lot to unpack there with me to do it in is dame priti patel right start. right where to start. >> so it's good question . >> so it's a good question. >> so it's a good question. >> ian. >> ian. >> ian. >> i think if i if i may i mean my initial reaction to that and you're absolutely right, in the areas you've covered is that i think seen think rishi has effectively seen this like fast train this sort of like fast train that's come in his way, you know, around target . so if i know, around target. so if i speak about the obsession of targets and, you know, some of the ideological things have the ideological things that have gone on around targets and the practical implications that practical implications of that for the public, i think he's actually realised how fast that train is coming at everyone. the government in particular, and what that actually means for the public. and he's had to intervene right now, hence the reason why he's spoken as he has today. i think there is a lot there from a government perspective of he's also effectively said today when he was chancellor, these decisions are being made. they're all fiscal as well. so it would have gone through he's now gone through him. he's now recognised actually maybe recognised that actually maybe we shouldn't have done it that

way. now there's a different way. and now there's a different way. and now there's a different way it. you can read way of doing it. you can read into that what wish around into that what you wish around context, but, but i think there are things here as are some other things here as well. this is well. fundamentally this is about decisions are made in about how decisions are made in government. he's touched on that. about lobbying that. he spoke about lobbying those with the loudest voices often get their say. that speaks to the ideological nature of this debate , i think around net this debate, i think around net zero. but if i may say so, i think it's also speaks to around how perhaps some decisions are made in government on the up side of this. i think there's a lot of good content there as well, which i think might alarm your viewers. you know, we've heard little today of the heard a little ne today of the type of areas where in a few years time boiler upgrades, heat pumps , the type of costs that pumps, the type of costs that would be involved , car sharing, would be involved, car sharing, seven bins, i don't know about you. i have a few bins. i think you. i have a few bins. i think you know, this has been on the cards for a long time. this also speaks about how local government conducts itself. so is there going to be wider reform but think today reform there? but i think today the public has learned something here real impact of

here about the real impact of what net zero policies in government would mean for them. quite frankly, i think it would terrify a lot of people that did not about this . but not know about this. but secondly, know, you secondly, now you know, you put in the up to government in the mirror up to government and it means for the public and what it means for the public and what it means for the public and we need to do things and say we need to do things differently. good differently. and that's a good thing. is a good thing. my thing. that is a good thing. my views known on, you know, views are known on, you know, cars around impact, around cars around the impact, around taxes, burdens . taxes, the burdens. >> well, let's start let's start on that then. so let's start with the electric vehicles. so as stood, there was as it currently stood, there was going to be a ban on new petrol and diesel vehicles by 2030. that's been back until that's been rolled back until 2035 and will able 2035 and you will still be able to and sell six and hand to buy and sell six and hand after that. he's made the point that that will be actually aligning us with a whole host of other countries and indeed some us states, so that i think is a good yeah absolutely. >> it is completely. i would also as as to say that if also go as far as to say that if we can do this and align ourselves with countries, other countries, can't do countries, why can't we do that on another area on things such as? another area that concerned about, which that i'm concerned about, which is global rates of corporation

tax for example. why are we constantly be constantly trying to be out there countries and there before other countries and putting that detrimental harm on us? our businesses, on taxpayers, etcetera ? but on evs? taxpayers, etcetera? but on evs? that's absolutely right . i mean, that's absolutely right. i mean, the pricey vehicles . at the same the pricey vehicles. at the same time, of course, he's spoken about and i do i do think this is right greater is right about greater innovation , investment. i do innovation, investment. i do also think, though, he's spoken about transparency and accountability here. i think the pubuc accountability here. i think the public need to know who are these companies that are investing, what are the deals that are done with our government and what kind of subsidies are being given to them as well? i think we all need to see greater transparency around that. he mentioned tata. well, tata have just also received of state help received a lot of state help around talbot. you know. so around port talbot. you know. so how does all this interplay? we do unpack a lot more of this. >> yeah, indeed . one of the >> yeah, indeed. one of the things that you mentioned that really piqued my really kind of piqued my attention as well was he's going to people time to to give people more time to transition pumps, and he transition to heat pumps, and he says never force you to says he will never force you to rip your boiler. you'll only rip out your boiler. you'll only ever have to make the switch

when replacing your existing boiler boiler. there will be a boiler boiler. there will be a boiler upgrade scheme, which, as far as i heard anyway, was 7500 pounds. no need for that to ever be repaid . be repaid. >> that's exactly. i noted that as well . that's extraordinary as well. that's extraordinary isn't it? i mean, look, he's just analysis. i think we should give him the benefit of the doubt and let's see how these schemes come together. it always takes time in government for these schemes to come together. i this whole obsession i think this whole obsession towards dangerous. towards heat pumps is dangerous. i do . i have said, and i really do. i have said, and i've shared this with many colleagues, think heat pumps colleagues, i think heat pumps could almost a could actually be almost like a mis selling scandal as well. how all these homes , you know, new all these homes, you know, new homes buying homes that people are buying now, they come with heat pumps, but the know how but without the real know how the security of heat supply and all sorts of things . and we have all sorts of things. and we have heard problems certain heard some problems with certain local authorities and properties as developers bringing as well, and developers bringing in heat pumps. so i think this is right actually pause this is right to actually pause this again with investment in technology , this can only

technology, this can only improve . so it's right that, you improve. so it's right that, you know, we should give this time andifs know, we should give this time and it's mad . know, we should give this time and it's mad. it's know, we should give this time and it's mad . it's absolutely and it's mad. it's absolutely crazy to say to people , if crazy to say to people, if you've a boiler, you know, you've got a boiler, you know, you've got a boiler, you know, you rip out your boiler you have to rip out your boiler by x date and put in a heat pump. that's wrong. and fundamentally, you expect me to say this anyway because i believe it. it's not for central government to determine and dictate what what type of heating you have in your house. and also the choices that you make around how your home is heated the type of heated and indeed the type of car you drive. yeah, exactly . car you drive. yeah, exactly. >> let alone how many people you can put in that car. one of the other that know other things as well that i know that were particularly that you were particularly interested grid interested in was about grid infrastructure. interested in was about grid infrastruct right. that's right. >> that's right. that's right. >> that's right. that's right. >> so it's quite controversial. and an where i am and i'm an essex mp where i am hugely controversial and i've spent time spent quite a bit of time raising this parliament. so raising this in parliament. so we're proud the eastern of we're proud the eastern east of england amount england has a brilliant amount of investment technology in of investment and technology in offshore that's developed offshore wind. that's developed over the last ten years and actually that's thanks to successive offshore successive governments offshore needs to be connected to the grid in some way. however,

national grid and i think, you know, this is again, you know, putting the flags up. they've got proposals to put 100 miles of pylons across the east of england to get that connectivity to the grid. i and my colleagues are saying, no, we want that to go offshore because the technology is there and we should be using new technology and new investment rather than just putting pylons across our beautiful countryside and by the way, across farmland , by the way, across farmland, by the way, across farmland, by the way, across farmland, by the way, across people's gardens . way, across people's gardens. and this is effectively where the government should be doing much more to invest in offshore green tech , new technology, green tech, new technology, creating more skills and more jobs. but there is another fly in the ointment here, which i think is very concerning . prime think is very concerning. prime minister has touched on this planning consent. yeah. too much of this planning consent takes place in a very untransparent and undemocratic way. the public should be consulted , and i fear should be consulted, and i fear that, quite frankly, my community and i'm seeing this in communities around my

constituency, we're being ridden roughshod over no accountability, no transparency around development consent orders with the planning process. that's wrong . and that process. that's wrong. and that has to change. and that is why there's so much noise around net zero and why people feel that there is something going on that's not opaque , you know, that's not opaque, you know, transparent because it's just too opaque and the public should have more information. i have more information. and i would say back to the would actually say back to the government today , you know, government today, you know, these the areas where the these are the areas where the prime has spoken about prime minister has spoken about greater today. i'm greater transparency today. i'm all that. but bring it right all for that. but bring it right down local communities and down to local communities and let the public have their say on these programs. >> there has been, as he >> so there has been, as he alluded to there, numerous times, a bit of pushback from other elements the other elements of the conservative labour are conservative party, labour are going to get stuck into this in a few minutes i would a few minutes time. i would imagine, they haven't imagine, if they haven't already. else. imagine, if they haven't alreaiwould else. imagine, if they haven't alreaiwould you else. imagine, if they haven't alreaiwould you say else. imagine, if they haven't alreaiwould you say to else. what would you say to conservative mps, potentially even members of his cabinet, who are isn't right even members of his cabinet, who are to isn't right even members of his cabinet, who are to do? isn't right thing to do? >> look, i think first and >> so look, i think first and foremost, i'm a great believer in, know, global britain, in, you know, global britain, britain, innovation in, you know, global britain, btechnology innovation

in, you know, global britain, btechnology investment.1 in, you know, global britain, btechnology investment. you , technology and investment. you know, there, we are there. know, we're there, we are there. we're one of the fastest countries in the world. when it comes to decarbonising. and that's a good thing. but big that's a good thing. but the big message don't hurt the message is don't hurt the british public through punitive measures. and actually the state needs to back out of their lives. it really does. so we've heard encourage in things today and, you know, when it comes to electric vehicles, when it comes to petrol and diesel cars, when it comes to boilers, all these measures, we have to now wait and see what it means in practical terms around the changes has announced changes that he has announced today. but alongside that, there's very big message there's a very, very big message here. it's not for government to just squirrel away make just squirrel away and make these decision ins. know, these decision ins. you know, there's thing here about there's a big thing here about it carrying the british public with, you. and think, quite with, you. and i think, quite frankly, critics today, you frankly, to critics today, you know , my friends and colleagues know, my friends and colleagues basically and others, you know, we do need to stop and pause here quite frankly, coming back to that analogy of that fast train that train is train come in. that train is coming very fast. and the british public are not ready for it. it's right that have

it. and it's right that we have this to actually bring in this moment to actually bring in practical practical practical measures, practical support measures for the public. i think there's a lot more here yet, you know, we've still got ulez haven't touched on. >> i'm going to ask you about that. >> the country should he should he to me about. he have said to me about. >> yes, of course. so you think you he doesn't hear you you think he doesn't hear you should have gone further. go on. so mean, look, i do speak so i mean, look, i do speak about prime minister has about the prime minister has said well. said this as well. >> know, it's an emotive >> you know, it's an emotive area. whole about net area. the whole issue about net zero climate change. yes area. the whole issue about net zer(dominated te change. yes area. the whole issue about net zer(dominated bychange. yes area. the whole issue about net zer(dominated by ideology.as area. the whole issue about net zer(dominated by ideology. yes, it's dominated by ideology. yes, it's dominated by ideology. yes, it's emotion . but it's dominated by emotion. but we to think about the we have to think about the pubuc we have to think about the public at end of the day, public at the end of the day, ulez is a classic example , along ulez is a classic example, along with 20 mile speed restriction zones. and it's not just in london. you think about places such as wales for example, you know, it's of united kingdom, other cities, say labour run other cities, i'd say labour run cities, if i may as well, just to be party political about this. you know, there's ideology there. again, there there. and again, there is a moment now where i think everyone to think everyone has to think pragmatically practically. pragmatically and practically. you bring two ps you know, bring those two ps together and then we've got, you

know, practical solutions, common to how common sense solutions to how people can go about their business and their lives business and lead their lives and think that's really and i think that's really important. water now important. but a clear water now between conservative party between the conservative party and the lib dems and and labour and the lib dems and the greens obviously, and the snp, etcetera, crucially , from snp, etcetera, crucially, from what you've heard there , has he what you've heard there, has he now got more votes , do you now got more votes, do you think? well, look, the proof of the pudding is always in the eating, okay? so that's for that's for the to public decide and determine. i think the crucial thing here as well, it's about delivery. how will this be delivered? operational delivery is one the hardest things in is one of the hardest things in government, it's how you do government, but it's how you do that. don't think as well, that. i don't think as well, because public listen because the public will listen to they'll think, to this and they'll think, you know, how authentic it? how know, how authentic is it? how sincere it, how practical is sincere is it, how practical is all this? fine . it's all of this? that's fine. it's what actually means for them what it actually means for them . it's about the pound in their pocket the of the day, pocket at the end of the day, are going be better or are they going to be better or worse and, you know, worse off? and, you know, we don't yet. simply don't don't know yet. we simply don't know. we've just had a very big announcement actually, the announcement actually, by the prime will be prime minister this will be about the delivery, how this will operationalised.

about the delivery, how this willsome)erationalised. about the delivery, how this willsome good)nalised. about the delivery, how this willsome good peoplei. about the delivery, how this willsome good people in are some good people in government. will be to government. it will be down to them to do this. and the public then to the net then need to feel the net benefit that. and they've got benefit of that. and they've got to confidence the to have confidence that the government to go government isn't going to go hounding them with more hounding after them with more taxes you know, more taxes, you know, with more punitive taxes for the motorists or decisions that are going to harm them, their families or their businesses. >> thank you very, very much for your time, for coming and for your time, for coming in and for articulating everything there. much appreciated . you take care much appreciated. you take care and thank you so much again, priti patel, dame priti patel, of course. right. joining me now as well is craig mckinley, conservative mp for south thanet . craig, what rishi sunak was clearly hoping to do that was to tread a fine line between the two extremes. so you've got the people who climate deniers, i suppose you don't of suppose you don't want any of this stuff and people who this stuff done and people who think that we all need to live on beds of moss and you know, wear loincloths and fight for whatever food remain whatever scraps of food remain outside a little somewhere. what do what you've just do you make of what you've just heard there? >> well, patrick, i mean, funnily enough, this funnily enough, i'm on this show, of shows is rather

show, lots of shows is rather condemning government energy policy. the time, policy. and for the first time, for time, actually for some time, i'm actually having afternoon . having a good afternoon. >> i think we're we've got a pragmatic approach. i think a lot of things have happened which this which actually made this inevitable. and is what is inevitable. and what is what is nice about this, we've got some honesty and something we can trust because far too often politicians put myself politicians wouldn't put myself in that camp. but i'm probably there as well. you know, we make promises and we have dreams and all these things and they're all of these things and they're never happen. never going to happen. >> here is >> what we've done here is instead of actually later on in the day saying this isn't going to work and we need a different approach, we're saying it now, we're honest , but we're actually we're honest, but we're actually saying there is no chance that earth we're going to have earth that we're going to have enough electricity to do this. >> electrification of everything that moves and heats this is an honest debate is pragmatic. i'm pleased . pleased. >> and look, let me play devil's advocate it it was advocate here. it was it was your lot who brought all of that stuff in to begin with, that he's now just had row back on he's now just had to row back on and only doing because

and he's only doing it because he's something else he's nearly said something else that of result that very fearful of the result of the next general election. and he thinks this is an easy vote winner. the cynic me vote winner. the cynic in me would is would say, yeah, maybe this is just opportunism . just opportunism. >> well, of course. >> well, of course. >> i mean, you know, i'm a conservative labour or labour. i want to have a difference between us. >> that's what elections are all about. but what this is, is a pragmatic approach. >> there are a number of realistic things that have happened over the even few days. >> patrick number one, is this judicial review that's potentially being allowed against b now, this is against sizewell b now, this is likely to delay that 3.2gw proposed power station . we've proposed power station. we've had the recent offshore wind auction failed completely just last week. the opportunity to get more electricity is falling at most hurdles. and i know pretty was on talking about the grid connectivity which is appallingly slow . grid connectivity which is appallingly slow. this is a reality that if we're trying to replace petrol and diesel that we hold in our fuel tanks with battery power, there's very

little point in that battery power being charged up with gas powered electricity . so that powered electricity. so that would be the height of lunacy. and also heat pumps. i mean, i don't think heat pumps are the answer. i really don't think they're the answer. and if anything, i've heard from this afternoon, a bit concerned afternoon, i'm a bit concerned about another taxpayer bung 7500 pounds. yeah, i'm glad you said that. >> i'm glad. craig i didn't. >> i'm glad. craig i didn't. >> i'm glad. craig i didn't. >> i didn't need a taxpayer bung for me to buy a smartphone and for me to buy a smartphone and for my old flip phone . nokia to far— my—ald—fl—ip—phanes nakia ta cancelled or banned. i buy be cancelled or banned. i buy things because they work because they have utility , because they have utility, because they're the right price. and i think the heat pump market might evolve. i mean, i've been speaking to very go getting companies like octopus got a lot of time for them. they think they can actually produce a heat pump that is the same price as a boiler . now, pump that is the same price as a boiler. now, if pump that is the same price as a boiler . now, if that's the case, boiler. now, if that's the case, even me sceptical about all these things , i might be first these things, i might be first in line to say, do you know what the has gone wrong? the gas boiler has gone wrong? there's this great heat pump,

similar price. does everything i want why wouldn't i buy it? >> well, you could. you could make. could similar make. you could make a similar case electric cars, couldn't case for electric cars, couldn't you? if the product was so great, then people would be tripping to get tripping over themselves to get one. wouldn't to one. they wouldn't have to be incentivised. wouldn't incentivised. they wouldn't have to buy, say, well, to be forced to buy, say, well, by 2030 now, 20, 20, 35, you by 2030 now, 20, now 20, 35, you know, you will ban sale of know, you will ban the sale of new ones. you mentioned great new ones. you mentioned a great point of things point there. a couple of things that out for me for rishi that stood out for me for rishi sunak, right. he's sunak, right. where he's actually outlined and articulated swoop, articulated in one fell swoop, the cost of a the extreme egregious cost of a lot what zero would have lot of what net zero would have meant your average home meant for your average home owner their owner to update their infrastructure their own infrastructure in their own home. massive amounts of money, 10 £15,000. okay he's 10 to £15,000. okay he's highlighted that. he also said that we were a track to go that we were on a track to go further. tell you how many people you can have your further. tell you how many peop howu can have your further. tell you how many peop how many have your further. tell you how many peop how many bins your further. tell you how many peop how many bins you our further. tell you how many peop how many bins you are cars, how many bins you are going to have to use, change your diet, all of that stuff. nice to hear someone nice to actually hear someone articulating that. but you made articulating that. but you made a point there. there's 7500 a good point there. there's 7500 pounds bung say that azam, pounds bung to say that azam, when update your boiler will when you update your boiler will give that to you . i mean the give that to you. i mean the taxpayer is still paying for

that aren't they. just might not be paying for it personally. >> no. of course i mean if >> no. well of course i mean if you're, it's still an you're, if it's still an expensive item , then you can expensive item, then you can find that poorer taxpayer is find that the poorer taxpayer is actually for the actually paying out for the wealthier to have that wealthier taxpayer to have that installed. i do have installed. and i do have a struggle, you know, philosophical conservatives struggle this, the struggle with this, that the market does these things. the market does these things. the market actually market will actually provide things . and you often things that work. and you often find that technology doesn't advance as quickly as it might when you've got a subsidy in between because there's no need to. you know , that's just to. so, you know, that's just the only bit that i would pick out of what i've heard this afternoon. of it is afternoon. but the rest of it is honesty. now, you one honesty. now, do you know one thing been lacking in the thing that's been lacking in the whole debate is the whole net zero debate is the cost. you mentioned there cost. and you mentioned there household costs, the general cost. and you mentioned there housofold costs, the general cost. and you mentioned there housof changing the general cost. and you mentioned there housof changing the the general cost of changing the infrastructure . mean, infrastructure. i mean, the pubuc infrastructure. i mean, the public accounts committee have looked treasury looked at this. the treasury don't to do much about it. don't seem to do much about it. you've got the climate change committee who said, it's committee who said, oh, it's a trillion a lovely round trillion and a lovely round figure. you've got national grid saying it's something like 3 trillion. so as you know, i'm the chairman of the net zero

scrutiny group. is exactly scrutiny group. this is exactly the trying to the debate i've been trying to get government. we can get out of government. we can have about where have this debate about where we're let's just put we're going, but let's just put aside the climate change, the arguments, the co2 and all the rest it. i still put on the rest of it. i still put on the table. 1% of global output table. we're 1% of global output of china going of co2. china are going gangbusters for it. so, you know, the cost becomes very relevant when , frankly, if we relevant when, frankly, if we were wiped off the planet as a country tomorrow, god forbid , it country tomorrow, god forbid, it would be a mere rounding error. >> yeah, you make a series of good points. craig, thank you very much. great to have you on the show. appreciate your time. i appreciate you hanging on for us as well. craig mckinley there, conservative for south there, conservative mp for south thanet. just to follow on there from couple things craig from a couple of things craig was i'll to was saying, and i'll come to this i back, which is, this when i come back, which is, yeah, sunak was keen to yeah, rishi sunak was keen to emphasise we emphasise this. we are responsible of the responsible for just 1% of the world's carbon emissions, he says. and one of the greatest benefits thinks that benefits that he thinks that britain can going forward britain can have going forward to when it comes to to the world when it comes to global is this we can global net zero is this we can actually of the actually provide some of the technology, innovation and technology, the innovation and the to help the scientific outlooks to help the scientific outlooks to help

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>> join the live desk on gb news. >> the people's channel. britain's news . >> the people's channel. britain's news. channel right. >> let's crack on. so, prime minister rishi sunak has now set out his changes to the government's net zero plans, including delaying the ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars. the installation of gas boilers until 2035 as well .

gas boilers until 2035 as well. oh yeah , that was a bit of him. oh yeah, that was a bit of him. anyway, the prime minister stated his determination to meet britain's international commitments but said commitments by 2050, but said that the burden should not fall unfairly the hard pressed unfairly onto the hard pressed british families. several members of his own party, though, including former prime minister boris johnson , they minister boris johnson, they have criticised the delays . i'm have criticised the delays. i'm going to whizz us right over now to the arguably the main man apart from rishi sunak, because gb news is political editor. it's christopher hope who was in the and he asked the i the room and he asked the i think killer question there. christopher, thank you very much. asked how is much. so you asked how much is this to slash save this going to cost? slash save the your the british taxpayer, your average man or woman on the street? and are we to going have a on it? well, take a referendum on it? well, take it away. >> well, he said thousands, didn't. he talked about the household in salisbury to household in salisbury having to put more more proofing against the against the cold weather on on their on their windows. and he he certainly clearly mr sunak feels he wanted to engage with that issue. that's the point . he

that issue. that's the point. he came news knows as came to gb news he knows as being concerned about this whole target station for years target on the station for years now to address now and he's trying to address that take it on. i also that and take it on. i also asked him a question which i think people ask why think many people will ask why can't more concern out? can't we get more concern out? he said there needs be he said there needs to be a degree of consent. he says we risk losing the of risk losing the consent of british people they carry british people unless they carry people that's why people with them. and that's why i question on on behalf i asked a question on on behalf of viewers issue of our viewers about the issue of our viewers about the issue of referendum on the 2050 of a referendum on the 2050 target. says, rightly target. he says, maybe rightly so. we've had enough referendums to with patrick, but to go on with patrick, but i think he's trying put himself think he's trying to put himself squarely on the side of working people. interestingly, you're seeing people who might be supporting boris supporting this against boris johnson, of johnson, jacob rees—mogg, of course , notably today. course, notably earlier today. so i think i think he is trying to say, i'm on your side, the side of working people. to say, i'm on your side, the sid

dnven that we're not going to be driven by dogma. i mean, certainly this idea, this dash for planning to for green labour are planning to do win power in 2024, do if they win power in 2024, 2025, is giving tories 2025, is giving the tories a chance say, look, we are chance to say, look, we are practical , we're not chance to say, look, we are practical, we're not going to force do anything you force you to do anything you don't do. don't need don't need to do. you don't need to get this heat pump before your boat boiler packed up. your boat boiler has packed up. and then, maybe at and even then, maybe not. not at all. i think it's an all. i mean, i think it's an attempt here to say they're on the side of working people against ideological crusade the side of working people againstlaboureological crusade the side of working people againstlaboureologicethink.ade by the labour party. i think that's the answer that labour will have to answer and they haven't and i think haven't got one yet. and i think he's to say, i'm on your he's trying to say, i'm on your side. idea of cost living side. the idea of cost of living to see how they can benefit families is one want to families is one they want to push they did quite push home. and they did quite well. thought it was quite well. i thought it was quite determined. wasn't determined. sunak he wasn't shouting podium. he's shouting from the podium. he's making very clearly. he's been through the detail wants through the detail and he wants to life easier for to make it make life easier for ordinary worried about ordinary families worried about the and how and the cost of living and how and how the state is putting more costs onto them. >> yeah, christopher, look, thank much. thank you very, very much. christopher hope there news christopher hope there gb news political christopher hope there gb news politicéof christopher hope there gb news politicé of the christopher hope there gb news politicéof the really key couple of the really key questions at that press conference there. how money questions at that press cothissnce there. how money questions at that press cothissnce tltoa. how money

questions at that press cothissnce tito save/v money questions at that press cothissnce tito save your money is this going to save your average man or woman on the street and whether or not we're average man or woman on the street to d whether or not we're average man or woman on the street to have ether or not we're average man or woman on the street to have a1er or not we're average man or woman on the street to have a referendum?'re going to have a referendum? joining me now, though, is shawn spears, is executive spears, who is executive director of green alliance. director of the green alliance. shawn, very shawn, thank you very, very much. sunak was was much. look, rishi sunak was was very, very clear what very, very clear there in what he in sense of if you he said in the sense of if you don't agree with he's don't agree with what he's saying, then you then have to justify to british families about they have to pay about why they may have to pay upwards around £15,000 hit upwards of around £15,000 to hit this so can you this net zero target. so can you justify that? >> just the wrong frame. >> it's just the wrong frame. honestly, this is is such honestly, this is this is such a good day for of truss good day for kind of liz truss politics for mckinley , for politics for craig mckinley, for a ideologues in the a few ideologues in the conservative party, it's a really bad day for people who want homes , cheaper want warmer homes, cheaper motoring, cleaner air, better jobs, investment in britain , a jobs, investment in britain, a strong economy and a lot of the stuff that rishi sunak came out with was frankly delusional . with was frankly delusional. >> go on, go, go on. be specific. come on, be specific. >> well, all the stuff about am scrapping meat taxes, i am scrapping meat taxes, i am scrapping frequent flyer levies. >> i am scrapping rules that mean you can't have a certain number of people in cars. >> there are none of these

rules. it'sjust >> there are none of these rules. it's just absolutely bonkers. really? really. >> what about delaying? >> what about delaying? >> what about delaying? >> what about delaying the electric vehicle, ban on the electric vehicle, the ban on the ban on new petrol and diesel cars got there in the end to 2035. how much of an impact is that going to make? i mean, we're still doing it. it's just going to be a bit more manageable. no? >> well, let's just quote grant shapps from november 20th, 24 000 jobs . and yeah, 40,000 000 extra jobs. and yeah, 40,000 extra jobs as a result of bringing forward the date from 2035 to 2030. cambridge economics says it also take 4 million polluting cars off the off the road or the emissions equivalent of taking 4 million polluting cars off the road. >> so it's a kind of huge detriment to the economy and to our climate targets. >> well, okay, talk to me about the why. >> that's absolutely hammered by bmw, by jlr, bmw, all their cars across the world are to going be

electric vehicles by 2030. >> well, he said well, he says it's a he says it's aligning us with with countries like germany, france. he said spain. he mentioned couple us he mentioned a couple of us states there . i think california states there. i think california as was of them, which as well, was one of them, which i think knows well, i think he knows quite well, actually. he was kind of actually. so he was kind of trying to say, look, we're not we're not actually, you know, an outlier here by doing and outlier here by doing this. and the point as well, i the other key point as well, i just want ask you about this just want to ask you about this and view this, which and get your view on this, which is keen to emphasise, is he was keen to emphasise, look, we are we're 1% of global emissions and we're currently doing well. so actually emissions and we're currently doin did well. so actually emissions and we're currently doin did we well. so actually emissions and we're currently doin did we need. so actually emissions and we're currently doin did we need too actually emissions and we're currently doin did we need to rush jally emissions and we're currently doin did we need to rush and why did we need to rush and press ahead with this and, and cost ordinary families ten £15,000 for this. we didn't did we. >> the 10 or £15,000. >> i just think these, these are these are made up figures. >> yeah. he's got those those from thin air. >> i don't believe them. >> i don't believe them. >> but most countries in the eu, the us, the most of our competitor countries are going for zero net by 2050. china is i think 2060. >> but but china is still

growing. >> we had the industrial revolution first. >> our responsibility is maybe 1. now but historically it's much more . much more. >> and we were in the lead. >> and we were in the lead. >> we were pioneers in all this. >> we were pioneers in all this. >> we were global leaders and we were getting economic advantage from being first movers, which we need. >> now we're out of the single market and out of the eu. >> he's just reversed . >> he's just reversed. >> he's just reversed. >> first, economic policies that business was investing in and the outcry from business today from car companies, energy companies, everybody else saying, for god's sake, don't dick around with all these policies. >> we're investing because we want economic certainty. >> we're not talking about. yeah, are we not the look, the cynic of me that sean would say, hey, you know, you're you're on the side of the big vested interests in the corporations and rishi sunak's trying to put himself on the side of, you know doris in doncaster who's 42 years patrick i'm on the years old, patrick i'm on the side of the people . side of the people. >> this is honestly what's wrong with warmer homes. >> we've got 1.5 million people

living in in damp, badly insulated. >> do heat pumps work? >> do heat pumps work? >> sean do a heat pumps any good ? really? yeah >> yeah. but people who have them, they're going to get better and better. he's right on that. he's right on that. the technology surprises us. how much and how much cheaper it gets and how much cheaper it gets and how much effective it gets. much more effective it gets. he's . so i'm a bit grumpy. he's right. so i'm a bit grumpy. >> i'm normally a really sunny personality. that personality. i've seen that speech.i personality. i've seen that speech. i just of think, oh speech. i just sort of think, oh my god, well, go on. >> it's interesting that you >> so it's interesting that you said about about said he was right about about that. so heat pump of that. so the heat pump side of things. don't be things. i don't claim to be a font all knowledge when it font of all knowledge when it comes to heat pumps. i've seen some positive things about them. i've some negative i've seen some negative things about them. you know, and i would understand if i was i would understand if i was if i was forced to have to one. was forced to have to get one. and lot people are and a lot of people are sceptical about them. but you think he's the technology think he's he's the technology isn't quite there because that was a point that he trying was a point that he was trying to make. i think, wasn't it? which you know, would to make. i think, wasn't it? whi

right. >> you know, that's why the target is 20, 35. >> now, germany had a much earlier target and that's caused huge reductions >> gives you 12 years to >> 2035 gives you 12 years to plan. >> most boilers last 10 or 15 years. >> so you're not talking about ripping boilers out. >> so you're not talking about riijou're boilers out. >> so you're not talking about riijou're talkingyoilers out. >> so you're not talking about riijou're talking about out. >> so you're not talking about riijou're talking about actually >> you're talking about actually getting in place so that getting a plan in place so that you achieve it in 2035. same you can achieve it in 2035. same with vehicles. you can achieve it in 2035. same witiget vehicles. you can achieve it in 2035. same witiget planshicles. you can achieve it in 2035. same witiget plan in cles. you can achieve it in 2035. same witiget plan in place. people >> get a plan in place. people are, you know, as rishi sunak said, more and more people are adopting evs. >> i haven't got the moment. >> they're too expensive. >> they're too expensive. >> price is coming massively. >> they're over the >> they're cheaper. over the lifetime a car and they'll lifetime of a car and they'll get cheaper and cheaper. >> but you you need plan >> but you need you need a plan charging to charging points. you need to kind plan properly and but kind of plan properly and but but and changing is the opposite. >> and what people and business need. >> that would be the ultimate criticism of this, which that criticism of this, which is that people have been led down the garden significantly, garden path significantly, massively know, net massively so by, you know, a net zero very fixed zero agenda with very fixed timeframes. timeframes timeframes. and those timeframes have changed. from have now changed. and that from a corporate can a corporate sense, i can completely understand, would put the sean, the up a few people. but sean, thank sean thank you very much. sean spears, who's executive spears, who's the executive director of green alliance director of the green alliance right. loads to get stuck

right. okay. loads to get stuck into in the coming half hour or so more to the prime so. more reaction to the prime minister's that minister's announcement that he's climate he's watering down the climate change . but first, change commitments. but first, it your headlines with the it is your headlines with the wonderful middlehurst . wonderful polly middlehurst. patrick thank you. >> well, the top stories this houn >> well, the top stories this hour, as you've been hearing within the last few minutes, the prime minister has been setting out his revised plans. prime minister has been setting out his revised plans . as for out his revised plans. as for his net zero plans in a controversial overhaul of the government's green policies, the new measures include a weakening of the phasing out of gas boilers for residential homes and an easing of the transition to electric vehicles by pushing back a ban on new petrol and diesel cars to 2035. rishi sunak saying he wants consent from the pubuc saying he wants consent from the public to deploy a more pragmatic and realistic approach to net zero, which eases the burden on the british people . burden on the british people. and in other news today, the king and queen have been in paris, france today as part of a

three day state visit celebrating shared history, culture and values. the royal couple were greeted by president emmanuel macron and his wife at the arc de triomphe. there have been talks at the elysee palace, we understand, today. and the king is joining the president imminently for a state banquet at the palace of versailles and consultants and junior doctors are holding their first joint strike today as they continue a walkout over pay. thousands of bma medics have stopped work at nhs hospitals across england, delaying operations and placing yet more pressure on britain's nhs . more on all those stories nhs. more on all those stories by heading to our website, gbnews.com . gbnews.com. >> direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment . at gold and silver investment. at so the numbers looking like this

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problems as we go through evening hour in particular evening rush hour in particular here. elsewhere, overnight, there clear skies there will be some clear skies around, also still some around, but also still some showers, particularly for western england and western parts of england and wales and towards the north and west and northern west of scotland and northern ireland under the clear skies, temperatures are going to a temperatures are going to dip a little bit than they have temperatures are going to dip a little through than they have temperatures are going to dip a little through some they have temperatures are going to dip a little through some recent|ave temperatures are going to dip a little through some recent nights. done through some recent nights. many though, many towns and cities, though, just in double just about holding up in double figures thursday figures through thursday morning. rain in the morning. then any rain in the south—east clearing away morning. then any rain in the soutthen st clearing away morning. then any rain in the soutthen it clearing away morning. then any rain in the soutthen it is clearing away morning. then any rain in the soutthen it is a clearing away morning. then any rain in the soutthen it is a brighter,ing away and then it is a brighter, sunnier picture for many of us than it has been recently. but by the time that we get to the afternoon, i expecting afternoon, i am expecting plenty of develop across of showers to develop across parts england and parts of england and wales and the showers across scotland and northern merging northern ireland will be merging into longer rain. into some longer spells of rain. heavy at with those strong heavy at times with those strong , winds still to , gusty winds still to temperatures down a degree or two compared today. but two compared to today. but feeling bit better feeling perhaps a bit better with lighter winds for some of us we look through into us as we look through into friday. there'll be some friday. and there'll be some further weather to further unsettled weather to come. is a brief ridge come. but there is a brief ridge of high pressure that will push in the west so the in from the west later. so the weather quieten down a weather should quieten down a little as result, little bit. as a result, saturday should start bright if a bit chilly, before more

unsettled arrives in unsettled weather arrives in time but by a time for sunday. but by a brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . proud sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> okay, loads of you have been getting in touch gb views at gb views .com. about what we just heard from rishi sunak at downing street about scaling back net zero. i'm just going to go a couple of the emails go to a couple of the emails very quickly. keith bernanke says, look, patrick, think very quickly. keith bernanke saysisook, patrick, think very quickly. keith bernanke saysis good,atrick, think very quickly. keith bernanke saysis good, but:k, think very quickly. keith bernanke saysis good, but he'sthink very quickly. keith bernanke saysis good, but he's delayed this is good, but he's delayed the pain, not remove the pain of net zero entirely. quite a lot of as well. fact, too of you as well. in fact, too many you to name basically many of you to name basically wishing that completely wishing that he'd completely removed well. that was removed ulez as well. that was possibly ambitious, but i possibly a bit ambitious, but i do i'm joined do take your point. i'm joined now the studio by our now in the studio by our economics and business editor liam halligan . i mean, this liam halligan. i mean, this ultimately was all about the money in people's pockets , money in people's pockets, wasn't it? what do you what do you make what you heard from you make of what you heard from rishi well trying to

rishi sunak? well he's trying to put water between put clear blue water between himself the labor party, the himself and the labor party, the sort of islington tendency of the labour party is very pro green stuff, but i doubt they'll reverse a lot of this labour because they'll know in their bones that even though what sunak has said will go down with much of the sort of media class like the proverbial cup of cold, sick out there in the country, an awful lot of people will be breathing a sigh of relief, saying finally somebody in westminster is engaging with the reality of our lives and the pressure that these kind of pledges made with no parliamentary debate, with very little broader debate. >> yeah, sort of try imposed by by by nudges and the idea that if you don't go along with this, you're a bad person, you're a monster. how dare you? et cetera. et cetera . so i think cetera. et cetera. so i think a lot of people out there in the country will be relatively relieved. and rishi sunak is tapping into those people in order to try and reconnect a 7500 pound and grant that you

don't have to repay if you get a new boiler. >> is that right? well that's what he's saying. >> a lot of this may be moot because the idea that rishi sunakis because the idea that rishi sunak is going to be prime minister after 2030, after 2024, frankly, you know, you'd need you'd need a pretty strong stomach to bet that he would be. but i think what he's doing, he's carving out an area of the debate here. it's now okay. in a way it wasn't 12 months ago in polite society to say i'm concerned about how we get to net zero right before to even raise that question. and you were a denier using language associated, you know, grotesquely with the holocaust. absolutely really? so the use of that phrase by, again, the media class was absolutely designed to close down debate. there is now a debate not so much about do we need to clean up the environment, do we need to wean ourselves off fossil fuels? over the years , i think almost the years, i think almost

everybody accepts that . everybody accepts that. everybody want to everybody accepts. we want to leave better planet for our leave a better planet for our kids. but there is now a very, very debate how very active debate about how much cost, how much net zero should cost, how quickly it should take place. and overwhelmingly, patrick, who's pay? yeah who's who's going to pay? yeah who's going to pay the impact on business now then ? business now then? >> so people who had been geanng >> so people who had been gearing up to certainly the vehicle targets by 2030, for example , i mean as he just example, i mean as he just thrown a massive cat amongst the pigeons economically there for some people. >> i think for the car industry who are retooling to try and hit a 2030 ban on on sales and manufacture in this country of new petrol and diesel cars, they're going to have to recalibrate, you know, a lot of people will say, oh, this means the charging network will be rolled out more slowly. they should say even more slowly . i should say even more slowly. i think rishi sunak came up with quite a lot of home truths. the grid just isn't ready for all these electric vehicles , let these electric vehicles, let alone the our ability to generate the electricity to supply that grid. so there will be some losers in business and

the car industry will squeal loudly. on the other hand, you know, big carmakers are getting hundreds of millions of pounds to do sort of net zero ev electric vehicle related. well, they're just quickly on that. >> would they then be able to say will he say, look, we've given you so much in subsidies here that you can take a little bit of this pain now sorry we've messed you around a bit for a couple of years, but we've given you loads of money. couple of years, but we've given youi.oads of money. couple of years, but we've given youi don'tof money. couple of years, but we've given youi don't thinkney. couple of years, but we've given youi don't think anything will >> i don't think anything will be it will be. be said explicitly. it will be. it understood. think it will be understood. i think everybody in their bones felt that 2030 was sort of plucked out know, boris out of the air. you know, boris johnson invented the idea of a 2030 target to show off at the cop summit in glasgow. that's where from. a nice round where it came from. a nice round number. that's five years less than else. we are now than everyone else. we are now aligning ourselves with the eu. so if a of the sort of net so if a lot of the sort of net zero zealots, they're almost always very pro eu membership up well, we're aligning ourselves with eu, so you should be with the eu, so you should be happy that in some sunak happy about that in some sunak has shown the first signs, in my view, being genuine view, of being a genuine politician who's willing to

upset some people in order to please others . please others. >> yeah, indeed. liam, look, thank you very much for your time as ever. liam halligan their economics and business edhon their economics and business editor. when we editor. right. okay. when we come to get come back, we're going to get the the

people's. channel >> rishi sunak's just rowed back on several net zero commitments. let's get the reaction now from steve reed mp who is the shadow secretary of state for the

environment, food and rural affairs, i'm very pleased to say, now. thank you say, joins me now. thank you very what would row very much. what would labour row back then? what back on themselves then? what would and what would they reverse and what rishi has just said ? rishi sunak has just said? >> well, good . good evening. i >> well, good. good evening. i mean, the first thing you have to ask is, does this government even have an economic or an industrial strategy anymore after the speech that rishi sunak gave, he throwing sunak just gave, he is throwing away the biggest economic opportunity of the 21st century and that is for britain to lead the world in the green economy. >> so what we're doing is he's creating uncertainty for business. >> and what labour would do is not cause that damage . we've not cause that damage. we've already had 13 years of low economic growth, which is why people are paying such high taxes and wages are being kept down by the decisions he's announcing today. he's going to maintain low economic growth. >> labour would not do that. >> labour would not do that. >> if labour if labour comes >> so if labour if labour comes to power at the next election, then we are going to have a ban on on petrol and diesel cars by 2030. going that

2030. we're going to have that are we, as has been planned for some time now? >> yes, that will be brought in and the motor industry has been geanng and the motor industry has been gearing up for that. they've been putting in the investment to allow that to happen. it's only a ban sales of new only a ban on sales of new petrol vehicles. it doesn't mean anyone that's already got one has to get rid of it. can has to get rid of it. they can keep it for as long as they like. the of industry like. but the whole of industry has gearing up for this and has been gearing up for this and they've sewn rishi sunak they've just sewn rishi sunak has sewn immense has just sewn immense uncertainty. chairman uncertainty. the chairman of ford said this deter inward ford said this will deter inward investment. it will cause instability to the british industry. it will stop britain being a world leader. it will stop those good jobs of the future. what do you forming to workers in this country? they'll go in germany, go to work, as in germany, france, us. instead, they france, the us. instead, they are letting once are letting britain down once again. tolerate that again. we can't tolerate that under labour. >> if someone wants to get a new boiler heat pump, would you boiler or heat pump, would you give that give them 7500 pounds that they don't pay back to help don't have to pay back to help them do that ? well you have to them do that? well you have to put in the investments to make the new heat pumps affordable and the government hasn't done

that. >> so labour wouldn't be proposing actually, the government's not proposing significant changes there either . what labour would do would be to help people make their homes more energy efficient. we would invest in homes. we've got some of the least energy efficient homes in northern europe and as we all know, we can get very cold in the winter, but vast amounts energy goes out amounts of that energy goes out through walls. we save through the walls. we could save people £500 by insulating their homes. and labour has a plan for that. we also have a plan to set up a publicly owned company called energy that called gb energy that will direct and private direct public and private investment sustainable investment into sustainable forms of energy. that's wind, wave, solar and nuclear we wave, solar and nuclear so we can back control of own can take back control of our own energy supply from dictators like vladimir putin, but also lower household bills . it costs lower household bills. it costs people less on their bills if we transition. so rishi sunak is offering people higher bills for the next decade or more from what he's just said. >> okay. all right. now what rishi sunak said was you would now justify why your now have to justify why your average and woman in average man and woman in

doncaster would would have doncaster say, would would have to pay amount of money. to pay a huge amount of money. thousands of pounds, 10 or 15 thousands hit the thousands of pounds to hit the existing net zero targets for laboun existing net zero targets for labour. you know, the party of the working class supposedly . the working class supposedly. how justify that ? how can you justify that? >> they'll pay less. we will reduce household bills by £500 on average by insulating 19 million homes and taking back control of our energy by investing through this new company. gb energy wind wave company. gb energy in wind wave , solar and nuclear, which is energy that is going be energy that is going to be generated sustainably here in the will cut the the uk. we will cut the household energy of those household energy bills of those people in doncaster. we will people in in doncaster. we will lower the cost of driving their car because it costs less to power a vehicle with electricity than fashioned fossil than with old fashioned fossil fuels. sunak is going to fuels. rishi sunak is going to keep us stuck in the past when we could leave the world in the march to the future and it will damage household and damage household bills and it will keep wages just as will keep wages low, just as they've done these 13 they've done for these past 13 years they to grow years when they failed to grow the economy. they're offering more of the same and it's going to be disastrous. >> you have a heat pump ?

>> do you have a heat pump? >> do you have a heat pump? >> no, i don't. i have a normal gas fuelled boiler. >> what are you going to heat pump when you get a heat pump? when we've got a labour government that is going to invest in heat pumps cheaper than the alternative, labour's not going to propose to change these things until that happens. >> that is something that you're not going to do. >> to do it >> you're not going to do it invested alternative, invested in the alternative, you're going it just you're not going to do it just out the goodness. out of the goodness. >> today. don't listen to >> listen today. don't listen to me. listen to the listen me. listen, listen to the listen to the chairman of ford. he is saying going saying this is going to deter inward it's going inward investment. it's going to create instability for business that keep down. it that will keep wages down. it will taxes high. we'll will keep taxes high. and we'll just of what we've had just have more of what we've had these 13 years when people these last 13 years when people are through the are really going through the mill cost of living mill with the cost of living crisis frankly, 10 crisis made, frankly, in 10 downing when they downing street when they crashed, economy. crashed, the economy. >> please me you've got an >> please tell me you've got an electric . electric car. >> no, i haven't got an electric car. but if buy one car. but if i buy a new one after 2030, i will know, you know, because this is this is policy that is set by a national

government. we could do a national government put in the infrastructure so that we can move to this. all right. we've got six years before 2030. and the government is behind its the government is way behind its own that's why it's now own targets. that's why it's now abandoning they haven't abandoning them. they haven't put and that's put in the investment and that's why he's reversing things put in the investment and that's why will reversing things put in the investment and that's why will actuallyg things put in the investment and that's why will actually damageigs put in the investment and that's why will actually damage the that will actually damage the british economy. >> all right, steve, thank you very much. steve reid there, mp, shadow of for shadow secretary of state for the rural the environment, food and rural affairs, not have an affairs, who does not have an electric a heat pump. now electric car or a heat pump. now to which has got me to a story which has got me wondering, how is it to wondering, how hard is it to lose snake? shift in tone. a lose a snake? shift in tone. a man from hampshire has had a close encounter with an foot close encounter with an 11 foot long in his long python found in his conservatory. pictures conservatory. these are pictures of recaptured python. of the now recaptured python. apparently was getting apparently it was all getting prepared to him. chris apparently it was all getting prepared is him. chris apparently it was all getting prepared is directorn. chris apparently it was all getting prepared is director onhris apparently it was all getting prepared is director of the; newman is director of the national centre for the wildlife welfare. that is currently looking this reptile . looking after this reptile. fantastic. so look, how on earth did this person lose a snake? and is it all right now ? and is it all right now? >> oh, the snake is absolutely fine. >> he's doing extremely well . >> he's doing extremely well. he's very well cared for. um, it's a very good question. how

does somebody lose an 11 foot snake and can't really answer that carelessly? >> i guess would be my only comment . comment. >> okay. and how dangerous was it? because this guy managed to basically fight a python and win , which i think is remarkable . , which i think is remarkable. >> oh, well, this this story takes about nearly four months. >> and i spoke to the gentleman at the time this happened and the stories got rather embellished a little bit since i'm not actually fought it off. >> um, the snake, it's obviously inexcusable that somebody lost the snake and it entered the gentleman's property through window. >> now we've lost him. we've lost him. yeah, we have. i think we got the gist, though, didn't we, really? you know, chris newman, great to have him on. chris, who was the director of the national centre for wildlife welfare , looking the welfare, looking after the reptile and i just found it. sorry. did anyone else does not think that absolutely think that was absolutely staggering had the label staggering that we had the label for shadow minister for environment on etcetera, who was

saying that we were, you know, getting drunk back in time by rishi sunak knock on his zero rowing back but but he doesn't he doesn't have a heat pump, doesn't have an electric car. so i find that staggering, really amazing . anyway, get your views amazing. anyway, get your views coming in gb views rgb news.com. it's been a rip roaring show. thank you very much, everybody who's been getting in touch throughout course of it and throughout the course of it and for tuning in and watching, no doubt picking doubt tomorrow we'll be picking the that the bones out of that announcement. up next announcement. yet again. up next is the wonderful michelle dewberry with dewbs& co i can just going to just sense that she's going to get teeth stuck into a little get a teeth stuck into a little bit like that python, but this time sunak zero time into rishi sunak net zero reversal row back. what do reversal and row back. what do you make of it? was it enough to get your vote at the next general election? do you believe him? you him? anyway, i'll see you tomorrow at three. it easy, tomorrow at three. take it easy, people. like things are people. looks like things are heating up . heating up. >> boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hi there. welcome to your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met

office. i'm alex burkill and we have some further wet and windy weather to come as we go through the next few days, but perhaps something to friday. something quieter to end friday. at under the at the moment we're under the influence low pressure to the influence of low pressure to the northwest this is northwest of the uk. this is bringing strong winds and also a weather front across the south—east as go through the south—east as we go through the afternoon and into the evening leading heavy rain could afternoon and into the evening leadin some heavy rain could afternoon and into the evening leadinsome problems/ rain could afternoon and into the evening leadinsome problems as|in could afternoon and into the evening leadinsome problems as we :ould afternoon and into the evening leadinsome problems as we go .d cause some problems as we go through evening hour in through evening rush hour in particular elsewhere particular here, elsewhere overnight, will be some overnight, there will be some clear also overnight, there will be some cleaisome also overnight, there will be some cleaisome showers, also overnight, there will be some cleaisome showers, particularly still some showers, particularly for western of england and for western parts of england and wales and towards north and wales and towards the north and west scotland and northern west of scotland and northern ireland. the clear skies , ireland. under the clear skies, temperatures going to dip temperatures are going to dip a little have little bit lower than they have done through recent nights. done through some recent nights. many cities, though, many towns and cities, though, just up in double just about holding up in double figures thursday figures through thursday morning. rain in the morning. then any rain in the south—east clearing away south—east quickly clearing away and then it is brighter, and then it is a brighter, sunnier many us sunnier picture for many of us than has been recently. but than it has been recently. but by the time that we get to the afternoon, expecting plenty afternoon, i am expecting plenty of develop across of showers to develop across parts and wales and parts of england and wales and the showers across scotland and northern will be merging northern ireland will be merging into spells rain into some longer spells of rain . at times those

. heavy at times with those strong, gusty winds still to temperatures down a degree or two today. two compared to today. but feeling perhaps better feeling perhaps a bit better with lighter winds for some of us look through into us as we look through into friday. be some friday. and there'll be some further weather further unsettled weather to come. is brief ridge come. but there is a brief ridge of pressure that will push of high pressure that will push in from later . so the in from the west later. so the weather should quieten a weather should quieten down a little bit. as a result, saturday should start bright if a before more a bit chilly before more unsettled in unsettled weather arrives in time by looks like time for sunday by looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news as

you tell me. it's all doom and gloom out there, but i'm asking you, are good times in sight now or do we still have a long way to go? do you personally feel any better off and to let's face it, it is completely over budget, completely over its

timing , and budget, completely over its timing, and it's completely