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it's awkward? and can we put the long term interests of our country before the short term political needs of the moment? even if it means being controversial ? controversial? >> well, that was just a couple of hours ago, but already the move has ignited quite a significant backlash. more than 250 charities and businesses have been urging the government not to weaken green targets. shadow paymaster general jonathan ashworth says the prime minister's decision puts pressure now on households . pressure now on households. >> it reveals rishi sunak is very weak. he's being pushed around by liz truss and he's causing chaos. this is a set of announcements which is undermining business investment in this in this country is undermining the stability of our economy and it's actually going to cost consumers more well away from net zero. >> the government's plan to deal with inflation is working . with inflation is working. according to the chancellor, the rate of inflation fell to 6.7% in august. that's down from 6.8%

in august. that's down from 6.8% in july. the bank of england had predicted the figure to increase to more than 7. it comes ahead of another expected interest rate rise tomorrow . consultants rate rise tomorrow. consultants and junior doctors took unprecedented industrial action today. joining together to strike manning picket lines as well during a walkout over pay. thousands of bma medics stopped work at nhs hospitals across england, delaying operations and placing more pressure on the nhs . and finally, the king and queen are in france as part of a three day state visit celebrating shared history, culture and values. they were greeted in france, in paris in fact, by the president, emmanuel macron and his wife at a ceremony of remembrance at the arc de triomphe before heading off to the elysee palace for talks. and this evening, the royal couple's been attending a state banquet at the palace of versailles . we have wind as well versailles. we have wind as well of a host of celebrities in attendance this evening ,

attendance this evening, including hugh grant, didier drogba, football star patrick vieira and others will report on that later with gb news across the uk on tv. in your car, on digital radio, and now on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news. channel >> well, it all happened as a result of a leak. my guess is this was going to be rishi sunak's big conference speech in the first week of october up in manchester. but it leaked and he decided , well, i may as well own decided, well, i may as well own it. so a major speech from the prime minister at 430 today and it is a very significant speech . you know, ever since the late 19805 . you know, ever since the late 1980s when margaret thatcher was prime minister we've been talking about environmental policy. it led through to the talking about environmental policy. it led through to the kyoto agreement on to paris and

then, of course, on to the boris johnson government wanting to be the greenest ever with the really for some of us, mad rush towards net zero. now sunak says we are keeping our commitments. we're sticking with the paris agreement. nothing is we're sticking with the paris practicality. see what were the we're sticking with the paris petrol or diesel car up until 2035. not the original cut off of 2030. he's promised no , no of 2030. he's promised no, no new green taxes for air travel on boiler upgrades. the subsidy goes from £5,000 per household to 7500 pounds per household . to 7500 pounds per household. and he says that energy certificates will not become more difficult for households. there's a whole mass of things here. there's even promises not to put taxes on meat. these are very, very major changes, but

they bring quite big questions, namely , what are the divisions namely, what are the divisions within the conservative party over this? boris johnson already not very happy . lord zac not very happy. lord zac goldsmith perhaps even on the verge of resigning , i think from verge of resigning, i think from the conservative party. he's made it clear we'll go on exploring for oil and gas in the nonh exploring for oil and gas in the north sea . there could be up to north sea. there could be up to 150 mp5 north sea. there could be up to 150 mps who do not like this, tory mps who do not like this one. little bit. so he's going to face some real challenges and yet and yet my sense of this is this is going to prove to be pretty popular for him and in particular in the red wall seats. so let me ask you, is this is a vote winner? give me your thoughts, farage at gbnews.com. well let's go to the red wall right now. let's go to dudley and let's speak to marco longhi, the conservative member of parliament from dudley north, who, of course, won that seat .

who, of course, won that seat. and you are a classic red wall seat, spent a lot more time as labour than conservative. do you believe that your prime minister has done the right thing today ? has done the right thing today? >> well, good evening, nigel. it's always a pleasure to join you on your show. you know that? yes i believe this is a fantastic thing rishi has done. ihave fantastic thing rishi has done. i have felt almost unwell at times at the eco zealotry. sometimes that has been coming from even some of my own colleagues completely disregarding those working class people who were disproportionately having to face the huge costs and the practicalities that were also involved with them. now, rishi has been very clear today that he is not saying he doesn't want to achieve net zero. he is not reducing the ambitions that we want, which is all to have a greener planet. but the way we are going to roll that out is going to be in a much fairer, more pragmatic way. and this is

definitely dudley people want. >> so does this allow the conservatives to say, look, if you're on average income or below , you're a pensioner that below, you're a pensioner that actually we, the conservative party, are on the side of the poorest as opposed to a labour party who have just brought in, for example, the ulez extension in london will go on subsidising wind energy to a huge degree. is this a big piece of positioning ahead of the next general election . election. >> oh, without question. to my mind , this is definitely mind, this is definitely positioning and it's one that i've been pushing for almost from day one. you know, this is something i've almost felt unwell about and this is not a teaspoon full of medicine. it's a huge tablespoonful of medicine for me. this is look, this is huge news and i'm really , really huge news and i'm really, really pleased. look, i have two young daughters. i'm hoping to be a grandfather one day. i want a greener planet. but it's the way that we were going about it before that was just completely

unrealistic . and we have been so unrealistic. and we have been so we've been leading the world. thatis we've been leading the world. that is absolutely true . but that is absolutely true. but we've been so ahead of our own targets that we can now afford to look at this again. and do it in a more pragmatic way. oh, mark, we've led the world brilliantly. >> we've just sacked 3000 steelworkers over the course of the weekend and name of the weekend. and the name of going no, we've going green. no, no, we've certainly world. and how certainly led the world. and how big is the rebellion going to be within your party at your conference in manchester? >> i genuinely don't know . conference in manchester? >> i genuinely don't know. i mean, look, all i would say is that the policies that we had before were policies designed by very well—off members of parliament standing in very well—off constituencies that don't have to deal with the sort of problems that i have on my council house estates and many of the red wall seats, but well beyond the red wall. you know, i have seen comments coming from conservative whatsapp groups, not a single one is coming out as negative so far. so this is

very significant . and i must very significant. and i must make the point that , you know, make the point that, you know, the prime minister is very clear. we all want a greener planet in the future. but the way we are going about it is going very different and going to be very different and much proportionate and much much more proportionate and much fairer to people. that's the key thing. >> marco longhi, thank you for joining me once again on this show on gb news. well joining me with extraordinary timing is matt goodwin, pollster and professor of politics at the university of kent. i'm also joined by quintin wilson, former top gear presenter and campaigner for low emission and electric cars. matt i can't believe your luck, really. you've commissioned a piece of polling that you said you would exclusively reveal on this programme before we even knew that rishi sunak was going to give this speech and you've been polling attitudes to some of these green ideas and in particular the attitudes of motorists to the way government are talking to them. so the big headline, i suppose in many ways

is this 20, 30 to 2035, the five year slippage. but you know, you can buy electric cars at any time, but equally you can buy new diesel and petrol cars from 30 to 35. when you polled that, what did the public say ? what did the public say? >> well, as your previous guest just said, nigel, among the key groups of voters for rishi sunak, this policy is very popular among all voters across the country. 50% are opposed to banning petrol and diesel cars by 2030, only a third of them support it. but look at these key groups that rishi sunak has to win back. opposition 63% among brexiteer ers, 63% among bofis among brexiteer ers, 63% among boris johnsons, 2019 voters, 64% among the working class middle class professionals support it . class professionals support it. workers oppose it, and crucially, pretty much everybody over the age of 50, again , key over the age of 50, again, key conservative voters typically that rishi needs to win back . that rishi needs to win back. they really don't like some of

this net zero stuff. so look , this net zero stuff. so look, just put what you're seeing on social media to one side for a minute. if he is to stand any chance of winning the next election , appealing to those key election, appealing to those key groups is what he has to do. and they're going to like this stuff. >> now. i live right on the edge of kent and greater london, the furthest point from central london where put ulez london where they put ulez cameras. i've seen cameras. i've never seen such local anger over an issue not just because it hits pensioners and it hits people with their self—employed, with their delivery vans , even those that delivery vans, even those that have got newer cars. just think it's wrong and it's unfair. i'm not going to achieve anything over paul. i mean, there are 37 million of us that drive cars. you polled attitudes towards whether you know, environmental taxes and penalties on motorists had gone too far. taxes and penalties on motorists had gone too far . yeah. had gone too far. yeah. >> so again, we find that a large plurality of voters about coming up to half the country think environmental penalties and fees on motorists have gone too far. only about 1 in 5 people in the country think

they're about right now. i've written extensively , as you written extensively, as you know, about why i think this issue is going to become one of the next big rebellions in british politics, because as i've just shown you with the polling, you're is polling, what you're seeing is a more affluent, professional and city based political media, cultural class and vacating lots of these policies. but many workers, many pensioners , as workers, many pensioners, as many squeezed voters , many many squeezed voters, many people in the smaller towns and the coastal community, liz, are looking at some of this stuff. and the prime minister said and as the prime minister said today, know, they just can't today, you know, they just can't make they say, make sense of it. they say, well, why i being asked to well, why am i being asked to pay l well, why am i being asked to pay i have to pay pay this? why do i have to pay £12.50 time i in my £12.50 every time i get in my non compliant car, guess. non compliant car, i guess. >> i guess wilson >> and i guess quinton wilson that's way, isn't that's the point in a way, isn't it? mean, if your lord, zac it? i mean, if your lord, zac goldsmith, a fortune, goldsmith, are worth a fortune, then great then electric cars are great because it's just a little bit of pocket money. we've of pocket money. but when we've already know, already got people, you know, struggling ulez, struggling like crazy with ulez, isn't five year extension isn't this five year extension of the ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars? it bnngs petrol and diesel cars? it brings us in. it brings us into line actually with where germany

have gone and many other countries . is this not in have gone and many other countries. is this not in a politically. we'll talk about the business angle in a minute, is it not a simple, pragmatic, straightforward move? >> ulez was a mistake and it's kind of weaponised air quality and environmental issues. and it was you know, i said at the time this, this, this is completely wrong headed. so we've got this this real polarisation in society now. and the motoring lobby is being being courted by, by, by sunak. but but we will lose our place on the world stage if and marcos said that we're ahead. you said we're ahead. we're not. we're being deindustrialised away by deindustrialised. >> no, but look, look, look . is >> no, but look, look, look. is it net zero about de—industrializing . de—industrializing. >> net zero is about making as much as we can for jobs >> net zero is about making as much as we can forjobs and much as we can for jobs and economic activity in the uk . economic activity in the uk. that's the opportunity that we face. and jeremy hunt said it was £1 trillion opportunity. now they've changed their tune and we've seen this whole tirade today from all these businesses saying, why are you doing this?

why are you pulling the rug from underneath? >> and this is important. and i fully understand this point. there are businesses that have been gearing up for the 2030 date, but equally , they can make date, but equally, they can make their cars and hopefully make their cars and hopefully make their batteries. they'll make them somewhere else. >> would they make >> nigel why would they make them somewhere else? >> better environment, them somewhere else? >.more better environment, them somewhere else? >.more economically environment, them somewhere else? >.more economically friendlynent, a more economically friendly environment, an environment with where europe, you know, where europe, america you know, where europe, america you know, where there is. >> i mean, germany is 20, 35 as well. >> yeah, but look, that's because the german car industry didn't didn't want it. because the german car industry didn't didn't want it . we have didn't didn't want it. we have this to catch up this ability now to catch up with the rest of the world when it comes to electric cars and battery factories, 25 battery factories europe being built factories in europe being built and planned. we've got one and a half and the one we've been the second the just the last is second one, the just the last is 4 billion. that could disappear because because there's because of this, because there's no certainty in industrial policies. i'm talking about jobs . i'm talking about prosperity. i'm talking about clean air, cheaper energy . cheaper energy. >> well, i'm i'm talking about jobs. >> well, i'm i'm talking about jobs . 3000 steelworkers gone at jobs. 3000 steelworkers gone at the weekend. why? we're getting

rid of the same coal blast furnaces used all over the world. we're moving to electric arc, which recycles second hand steel . we've stopped being a steel. we've stopped being a primary steel producer. that's madness. from a strategic point of view, i'm not a steel expert , but the point i'm making is that we have actually got rid of a lot of heavy industries the a lot of heavy industries in the name green because they name of going green because they don't. we have had the most expensive electricity prices we've aluminium we've lost both of our aluminium smelters . we've gone for wind smelters. we've gone for wind energy , we've put masses on energy, we've put masses on people's bills . and really people's bills. and really i think what professor goodwin is saying here with these numbers is interesting and it is that if you go to what we would call working class voters, a lot of 2019 tories, a lot of people for whom the cost of living crisis is very, very real, that you see these very large majorities who think actually what sunak has done today is the right thing . done today is the right thing. we have to recognise these people, don't we? we do and we need to help their futures and give them jobs and help them

retrain and those jobs to be highly skilled and highly paid. >> but sunak was disingenuous in the sense that there was no policy meat, policy for policy for meat, no policy for car sharing, no policy for seven bins and an aviation tax. you know, he is electioneering here, nigel. >> you know . no, i get it. >> you know. no, i get it. i know it. i get it. yeah. >> and what we're doing is short term opportune ism against a long term future for our children . and that's what's so children. and that's what's so craven about this. >> the only thing i would say to you is this, that the biggest chinese energy producer, huaneng probably about pronunciation . probably about pronunciation. >> they produce more carbon dioxide. one chinese company produces more carbon dioxide than the whole of the uk. >> i know. >> i know. >> look, look, the whole of the uk, 1% of if that . uk, 1% of if that. >> yeah, i know. but look, we can we can use this technology use our expertise, use our skills to sell it to other countries. and that's what we need to do now because we're in such economic state. such a dire economic state. what's sunak didn't mention is

$100 a barrel for oil. that's what hurts working people the most . what are we going to do most. what are we going to do about that night? >> no, no, you're right. >> no, no, no, no. you're right. >> $95 and >> oil was $95 yesterday, and it's highest been for it's the highest it's been for some it's been pushed some time and it's been pushed up some time and it's been pushed ”p by some time and it's been pushed up by saudi arabia. i get up by saudi arabia. yeah, i get that. understand that. equally that. i understand that. equally electricity has been very expensive on households through subsidies come down. you say it's short term opportunism, but is it a vote winner for him? >> it may be, but i think the rest of the world will look on and say this was your defining moment, this was your u—turn, your flip flop, and possibly the biggest mistake of your political career. >> 300,000 people have now signed the petition in wales against 20 mile an hour speed. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. i agree. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. i agree. >> i agree. >> i agree. >> there is a big lobby schools, hospitals, roads with pedestrians. on pedestrians. we agree on that. yeah, on that. pedestrians. we agree on that. yeawe on that. pedestrians. we agree on that. yeawe do on that. pedestrians. we agree on that. yeawe do agree on that. pedestrians. we agree on that. yeawe do agree on on that. pedestrians. we agree on that. yeawe do agree on veryn that. pedestrians. we agree on that. yeawe do agree on very strongly. >> we do agree on very strongly. final thought, professor goodwin. a vote winner goodwin. is this a vote winner for sunak? >> i think it's going to go down very among the groups very well among the key groups of needs to win

of voters that he needs to win back. it's not enough on its own. needs small boat own. he needs a small boat numbers come needs numbers to come down. he needs inflation down. needs inflation to come down. he needs a of economic optimism to a sense of economic optimism to kick in among out there. kick in among voters out there. but yeah, they're going to like this. and london might not. but many his voters will in a many of his voters will in a moment . moment. >> we continue this. we talk about hurricane nigel, is about hurricane nigel, which is making way across the making its way across the atlantic. and be joined by atlantic. and i'll be joined by jim i think also feels jim dale, who i think also feels a bit upset about what the government have done today

radio. boy this issue really matters. >> we have had many more emails in the first 15 minutes of this program than we normally get. i asked you simply, is this a vote winner? is sunak on the right track? danny says he's going in the right direction, but it needs to further. big needs to go further. big business will now kick back against him as they did with the truss budget. i think big truss budget. yeah, i think big business will. another viewer says this screeching u—turn is

about as dramatic as the average pansh about as dramatic as the average parish council meeting. fiddling around the edges will not win my vote. we need a referendum. well, there are quite a lot of people thinking that maybe a referendum on net zero would be a good idea because one of the problems has been almost problems has been you get almost the westminster problems has been you get almost the with westminster problems has been you get almost the with policy inster problems has been you get almost the with policy andzr problems has been you get almost the with policy and the agree with the policy and the voters don't choice at the voters don't get a choice at the election. and finally, dorothy says, i agree with rishi. why should we be world leaders when we can't afford it? dorothy we have been world leaders. we have really reduced our carbon emissions to a remarkable degree . not that it makes much difference globally , but we'll difference globally, but we'll discuss all of that right now with jim dale, senior meteorologist with british weather services and author of the book surviving extreme weather . now! the book surviving extreme weather. now! jim we're going to start with your day job being a big a meteorologist. yeah absolutely. >> why not? >> why not? >> rather than a climate camp? yeah hurricane nigel, tell us all about it . all about it. >> well, we spoke about it about

two weeks ago, didn't we say this? this this might happen? yes. and we're up we're up to the letter n, so nigel is out there wallowing around in the middle atlantic, shouts middle of the atlantic, shouts off. and it's actually about i think it's i think it's around about a two now or could it. >> no, he couldn't resist. >> no, he couldn't resist. >> there's more to come because it will wallow around and it will move towards the uk towards the weekend and just after it to the weekend and just after it to the north of scotland makes a lot of noise. flattering to deceive you might say, and eventually blows itself out. >> well , i eventually blows itself out. >> well, i blow eventually blows itself out. >> well , i blow myself eventually blows itself out. >> well, i blow myself out. >> well, i blow myself out. >> yeah. no, actually , actually >> yeah. no, actually, actually on the north coast of scotland there will be a lovely big surf out there for places like thurso and surfers listening in, and if any surfers listening in, that's the place go over the that's the place to go over the course of the weekend and stuff. so going to be a so it's not going to be a serious storm. >> well, watch and wait. >> well, we watch and wait. i mean, have to in these mean, you have to in these situations be situations x, it won't be a hurricane by then. not absolutely clear. it'll it'll be fading nonetheless , fading away. but nonetheless, it'll have a lot of intensity still with oceans out still with it. the oceans out there are very warm more than they have been for centuries .

they have been for centuries. and that's giving it power that energy, it gives it the lift that it needs and produces arguably more rainfall. we've seen that already this week in terms of some of the low pressure systems that have come in x again, x hurricanes. in terms lee and margot , the terms of lee and margot, the intensity of rain is something to be concerned about because that puts it i mean, we saw it in exeter, didn't we, exeter airport and places like this. so we our eyes is this we keep our eyes on this is this is the cutting edge of meteorology. the day to day stuff can be a bit boring. i do a bit more than on a little bit more than that on my day job. >> it's boring. obsessed >> it's boring. we're obsessed with are the british are >> we are the british are obsessed with weather and a obsessed with weather and it's a fantastic thing because fantastic thing because. because you what you know what? you know what the weather most important weather is the most important factor, but nothing in our life. it dictates everything that we do, everything that we from from what we eat to what we wear, how we feel, our mental state, you name it. even even, even sports performances , for example, performances, for example, sports betting. so i do work for a sports betting company. that's

what i do in the morning half the time doing global stuff and making sure that they've got the information what's information about what's going on cricket and on in rugby and cricket and things this. so integrity, things like this. so integrity, it's a massive part of our lives and it should never be underestimated. and to be frank with this this last couple with you, this this last couple of years, irrespective of climate change, but probably a large part of it, it's never been so busy in my life in terms of what's been going on from place to place. i'm talking now globally, not necessarily in the uk, although uk has at its moments in terms of last year, the 40 degree we saw in in july, august time and this year in terms of june being a record month now is this is this book, this weather or is it climate change? this is my first book. it's about three years now, it's about three years old now, but actually and i've actually gone say donate it to you gone to i say donate it to you to nigel. it changes minds, right? >> well , i always have to have a >> well, i always have to have a good little read of it. >> i will. it's a nice it's a nice. well what's a nice little read? it's easy. it's an easy read? it's easy. it's an easy read and a bedtime read if you

like. the truth or otherwise. >> yeah. of rising levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and the impact that may or may not have on the environment. and there are people will argue there are people that will argue different i know different ends of this. i know what you believe very strongly as does most of the establishment does believe that c02 establishment does believe that co2 is leading to warmer co2 is leading to a warmer climate climate change. but climate and climate change. but i made the point earlier with quentin wilson, one chinese energy , one company energy company, one company produces more co2 a year than britain . and no one is britain. and no one is suggesting that we should be irresponsible and we should pump out nitrous oxide and all these things. no. one i mean, i'm an environmentalist . i want us to environmentalist. i want us to be sensible, but i put it to you, jim dale, that what rishi sunak has done today is pragmatic and sensible. i put it to you, it's a political move. >> it's nothing to do with net zero. in fact, it's not zero as far as i'm concerned. looking at what he's did is straddling a fence . and i think the fence is fence. and i think the fence is there to be broken, if you like. in other words, he's to going

fall off it because i don't think he's either either side of that you argue he's stuck that. you could argue he's stuck with the net zero promise in the in the conservative manifesto. he his record in terms of new oil and gas licences is in terms of the speed of move, if you like. he's not going fast enough, certainly, as far as i'm concerned . i would i want this concerned. i would i want this country me to lead this race like we did in the industrial revolution . revolution. >> we have been. jim well, we have been we have reduced co2 output more than anybody else at a cost of a huge number of jobs. we can carry on doing that in those countries that are better than sacking my than keep sacking my steelworkers. create 3000 at steelworkers. you create 3000 at the 3000 well—paid jobs. >> you can you can create more jobs. this is the future we have to look on the horizon and lead these things. this is a massive opportunity for this country to actually lead . for once in the actually lead. for once in the last hundred years, we've let the industrial revolution slip away beneath our feet. do you believe like believe that? >> and the labour party have pushed this. and joe biden in

america this. do you america has pushed this. do you do believe that do you genuinely believe that the so—called green revolution will us more jobs than we will give us more jobs than we had before? >> in it will take >> in the end, it will take time. it take. we don't time. it will take. but we don't want to be last, because if we if we're bringing if we're last, if we're bringing up the rear, we're going backwards. >> we last we've more of >> we last we've got more of those. of those those. we've got more of those disgusting in our disgusting wind turbines in our seas. say disgusting. seas. you say disgusting. >> they're well >> i think they're very well vile from a from from a point vile from a from a from a point of view and aesthetic point. vile. i quite like them . but i vile. i quite like them. but i mean, yeah, pretty or not pretty or not. >> right . pretty or not, we've >> right. pretty or not, we've got more seats , seaward turbines got more seats, seaward turbines than any other country in the world. how are we behind. >> we do well in certain categories. >> that's until the wind stops blowing. then what? i mean, we take heat pumps, for example, and heat pumps are a far more, far more forward in terms of the scandinavian countries, for example. they would be, wouldn't they? they're freezing cold countries for six months of the yeah countries for six months of the year. want to move year. they want to move in that direction. just got to use direction. we've just got to use our we're innovative our innovation. we're innovative country. want to knock country. i don't want to knock

anybody on this and say, you know, we shouldn't be moving in this direction should be this direction or we should be moving. it's for the moving. it's for it's for the pioneers, the industrialists, those those that can better people than me, maybe better people than me, maybe better people than me, maybe better people than you in terms of the scientists of this world. and the have been the scientists have been not back here of nasser back here the likes of nasser and have you. back here the likes of nasser anci imind ou. back here the likes of nasser anci imind ,u. back here the likes of nasser anci imind , you know, the >> i don't mind, you know, the idea that we can be in the lead with modern technology and all the rest of it. well, as you said yourself, yeah, exactly what industrial what we did in the industrial revolution, 150 years ago . revolution, 150 years ago. problem all of this , problem is with all of this, it's the poor that are paying the bill. >> talk about the poor , >> if we talk about the poor, this is where where the motor side of it comes in. they talk about the poor. >> they're paying the bill. >> they're paying the bill. >> well, actually, most of the poor own a car. let's poor don't even own a car. let's make clear make that absolutely clear difference poor to difference of money from poor to rich over the last 25 years as we've slapped 20% extra on their electricity bills. >> and that money has gone to giant multinational foreign companies . it's wrong. companies. it's wrong. >> giant multinational oil and gas companies, chinese companies

making wind turbines, danish companies having wind turbines. if there is a financial problem, let's knock on the door of those that have to a degree created the problem. the fossil fuel companies themselves, they are rolling in it. bp for example, made £5 billion profit in the first three months of this year. they're now paying 75% tax. >> and as a result of that, good on them. as a result of that. so you believe that, do you? you believe in that, do you? >> that they are the >> i believe that they are the responsible in the main and governments for their reluctance to move forward. they are responsible for the co2 that's being released and other gases into this atmosphere that is why this subject of weather and climate has suddenly become number one. >> we're going to burn virtually i >>i kl- kl— h the world's going >> i mean, the world's going to burn tonnes coal burn 8 billion tonnes of coal this year, 8 billion tonnes. >> are just a part of this. >> but we it doesn't matter. it doesn't whether you could doesn't matter whether you could have house in your have the best house in your street, if you like, and you could the prettiest garden could have the prettiest garden and you could have the prettiest garden and that you could have the prettiest garden and that up you could have the prettiest garden and that up because you could have the prettiest garden and that up because everybody give that up because everybody else wrong thing. i else is doing the wrong thing. i don't so. i think you've

don't think so. i think you've got to look beyond that and say to neighbour, actually, got to look beyond that and say to garden's)our, actually, got to look beyond that and say to garden's a ur, actually, got to look beyond that and say to garden's a bitactually, got to look beyond that and say to garden's a bit rubbish. your garden's a bit rubbish compared to mine and i'll show you how to make this better. you can convince china and india and indonesia to make their gardens free. >> no, we'll go on. you try. maybe we should go on with that and try convince him and try and convince him ourselves. and try and convince him oursellas. you what, jim and what. i tell you what, jim and viewers and listeners, the one thing we do absolutely . we pride thing we do absolutely. we pride ourselves here at gb news is ourselves on here at gb news is making sure you hear all sides of the argument and they're put with great passion . in a moment, with great passion. in a moment, another subject very close to my heart, de—banking, we talked about the fca report yesterday . about the fca report yesterday. what a farce it was. in a moment , we'll talk about de—banking that's happening a perfectly that's happening to a perfectly legal industry in this country shooting back with you into

radio. >> three months ago when i came out, as it were, as having been debunked , suddenly it led to debunked, suddenly it led to a tidal wave of people getting in

touch with me via my website to say, we've been debunked too. and i now try and push them towards account closed .org. well, at least we've got some admin support. one group of people that i had so many impassioned letters from were those involved in a perfectly legal hobby, an industry that that of shooting and it went for people who were manufacturing shotguns , buying shotguns , using shotguns, buying shotguns, using shotguns, buying shotguns, using shotguns , shops that were shotguns, shops that were selling shotguns . and it was selling shotguns. and it was clear a lot of them were being debunked . i don't think i'd debunked. i don't think i'd quite realised the scale of the problem and shooting is an important industry in this country , whether it's clays or country, whether it's clays or whether it's game shooting, which kind of really kicks off at this time of the year and is very, very important to parts of devon cornwall and the north devon and cornwall and the north of , something big is of england, something big is going on here. at least i think there is. now by a

there is. i'm now joined by a man will tell what man who will tell me what the extent this is . i'm joined by extent of this is. i'm joined by dr. connor o'gorman , head dr. connor o'gorman, head of policy and campaigns at the british association shooting british association for shooting and conservation. so connor, being there at the basc, you will get a lot more feedback on this than i will to what extent, to what extent have people involved in the shooting industry suffered from de—banking ? de—banking? >> well, we, we good evening. we know there are hundreds of cases out there and more and more people are coming forward. so we've been dealing with this issue for years and we thought we were the only ones affected . we were the only ones affected. so obviously, the last few months as news has emerged of the wider aspects to de—banking , um, more of our members are coming forward. um, people , all coming forward. um, people, all people don't want to come forward and think like this. they think they're the only ones. they think the only victims. so it's good now that it's out in the open that there's nothing you've done, nothing you've been nothing wrong if you've been debunked you're a gun

debunked because you're a gun shop because you're shop or because you're a shooting ground you're a shooting ground or you're a game, , come, you know, game, shoot, come, you know, come ask . tell us your come to ask. tell us your experiences and we'll help out. and that's been happening. so over the last few months, we've had more and more people coming forward recent of forward with recent examples of de—banking and current issues. so we're dealing with current issues as well, and we're advising that . and think advising on that. and i think we're as along , we're learning as we go along, all of us, because i think as per the fca interim report that was yesterday , we're was published yesterday, we're only scratching we're only scratching the surface of this . scratching the surface of this. there's so much. no, i think connonl there's so much. no, i think connor, i mean, know, one of connor, i mean, you know, one of the good things i've done here is admitting this had is by admitting that this had happened as you say, has happened to me, as you say, has made it much easier for other people felt alone or people who either felt alone or frankly felt a bit humiliated and embarrassed about coming forward. >> now, one of the figures i read was that perhaps as much as 40% of registered commercial shoots had suffered de—banking do you believe it's as big as that ? that? >> yes. so we did a so as i said, for years and years back,

british association for shooting and conservation has been helping individual members on a case by case basis and in 2021, we decided to try and look for patterns on this and we did a survey, put out a survey out there to the members. we had 325 responses and 41% of those responded. respondents said they had an issue. so we looked at all the data that had come in from the survey and we couldn't find any pattern to this . it was find any pattern to this. it was decisions were random from bank to bank, and all the banks were involved . and we're still trying involved. and we're still trying to figure this out. and um, what it seems to me and every case when it comes forward to us is another piece of the jigsaw as regards what exactly is going on. mean, for example , at the on. i mean, for example, at the moment we've got we've been helping shooting helping out, um, a clay shooting ground in england. um, who were recently had their bank account closed by, by bank a let's say with no notice . they've now with no notice. they've now successfully got bank b to open an account for them. but i know

of cases with bank v where they've closed accounts for their shooting grounds or. yeah, yeah. well there's, there's something going on that we. yeah. >> no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah.— >> no, no, no, no, no, no, no. i picked this up a couple of months ago myself with, you know, members of yours and others getting in touch. well please encourage put in please encourage them to put in subject to their subject access requests to their banks to try and get as much information possible. information as possible. all. and would you, connor , and i would urge you, connor, you organisation , if you know, as an organisation, if you know, as an organisation, if you haven't spoken to the fca or they've not spoken to you, please get in touch with them because as you say, i felt on the politics of yesterday's report it was a whitewash. but on everything else they haven't even scratched the surface. one last very quick point, if i may . a lot of people writing to me saying when they go to get their shotgun licence renewed, they now have to have a medical and that local gp's are refusing to do this . yeah so there's do this. yeah so there's multiple issues that bank is deaung multiple issues that bank is dealing with with regard to the shooting sector and that's one

of those issues. >> and we deal with policies across lots of different areas conservation and shooting and that that is an issue. and de—banking is another issue. so so, you know, we're here as a voice of shooting. if people out there aren't members of basc, please join, please help us. numbers count? please join, please help us. numbers count ? absolutely. no, numbers count? absolutely. no, we're to here know. >> well, i know your organisation and i've visited you at the game fair a few times over the years and yeah . keep up over the years and yeah. keep up the good work, connor. thank you for joining us this evening and the sector. the sector after sector like this. i'm being written to now by a lot of jewellers who are having their bank closed i'll bank accounts closed and i'll keep well the what keep on this case. well the what the farage moment is not only to starmer go to meet president macron for a day ahead, of course, of the king or queen who macron for a day ahead, of cou havingthe king or queen who macron for a day ahead, of cou having ae king or queen who macron for a day ahead, of cou having a grand or queen who macron for a day ahead, of cou having a grand dinneren who macron for a day ahead, of cou having a grand dinner as who macron for a day ahead, of cou having a grand dinner as we) are having a grand dinner as we speak versailles in the speak in versailles in the palace. but it now turns out it was tony blair that brokered the deal. was tony blair that brokered the deal . yes, blair, the great deal. yes, blair, the great globalist blair, blair, the great eu fanatic , doing

great eu fanatic, doing everything he can to get britain back into something resembling european union membership and this morning, almost uncommented on with so much else going on, the inflation figures came in. they were 6.7, down just 0.1 of a% we've got a fair way to go to see whether rishi sunak meets his target by the end of the year. his target by the end of the year . the good news is that food year. the good news is that food inflation is down a little bit. the bad news, of course , is, as the bad news, of course, is, as we mentioned earlier, is that oil has hit $95 a barrel. just have a look at the increase in the price at the pumps. well, talking of food and what is going on with britain's farmers and their relationship with the supermarkets, it would appear from the founder of river organic farmers that actually farming is in very deep crisis and that maybe the supermarkets are the enemy. we'll debate that in just a moment

i went to the local supermarket, waitrose is just a few days ago. i had a few essentials to buy, but i saw there was fruit advertised plums. i thought, well, it's september, we're in kent , let's get one of these kent, let's get one of these packets of plums . i got them packets of plums. i got them home to discover they were produced in spain. i simply couldn't believe it. surely, if ever there was a time to support the fruit industry, it was in september . well, perhaps that's september. well, perhaps that's one of many complaints. that guy singh—watson, the founder of river organic farmers , has got river organic farmers, has got about the supermarkets because as guy, you're one of the i mean, the pioneer of the idea of the vegetable box being delivered at door to door. and you've written this dear supermarkets letter . it's time supermarkets letter. it's time to get fair about about farming. now we have over the years heard about this tussle between on whether it's milk producers and supermarket kits or whatever it is what's prompted you to write

this letter now? >> it's seeing the farmers around me on their knees and we did a piece of research . sorry, did a piece of research. sorry, it's river ford. we did a bit of a piece of research and, and, and found that in our sector, fruit and vegetables, 50% of farmers, 49% of farmers thought they might not be in business next year . and they cited 75% of next year. and they cited 75% of them cited the behaviour of supermarket buyers as being a leading factor. so we're really calling on the supermarkets to treat their suppliers more in the way that riverford does . the way that riverford does. that shows some commitment to a long term relationship and i mean specifically that they pay what they said they'd pay. they buy they said they'd buy. buy what they said they'd buy. they agree. specifica ations in discussion with growers rather than imposing on them, and that they really invest in long term relationships with their suppliers rather than every year there being this this price

negotiation, which if you're a penny out, you're liable to lose the contract and that's the end of your business. >> so you're basically saying they're bullyboys. >> i am. i'm afraid, you know, there buyers, there are six major buyers, which account for about 85% of the market for farmers, and there are tens of thousands of farmers. it's not surprising with that imbalance of power . with that imbalance of power. yeah. that farmers effectively , yeah. that farmers effectively, as you say, get bullied. >> you say what surprises me about this is , is i mean, you about this is, is i mean, you know, this is aside from the net zero debate there is a lot more knowledge about food, miles. a lot more conversation about the fact there's a benefit of buying things that are produced locally. there's quite a mood if the price is reasonable to buy british. and yet how is it when i bought those plums at waitrose the other day, there was sort of, you know, produce of spain was hidden in the bottom right corner? i don't know, there's a, there's a disconnect here. >> it seems to me it is getting

a little bit late for uk plums, but in general i think the uk public, british public would like to know where their food has come from. they would like to have information and even like to know who it and like to know who grew it and under conditions. however under what conditions. however and i think farmers would like to tell that story and they'd love to have their brand on their produce. but but supermarkets have driven the wedge between british farmers and british british producers so that we really don't know where our food comes from. in fact, they've created their own sort of fake farms. the sort of fantasy farms of fake brands, rather have actually a real rather than have actually a real uk farmer . rather than have actually a real uk farmer. and the reason for thatis uk farmer. and the reason for that is when it comes to that annual negotiation on price , annual negotiation on price, they don't want to want to they don't want you to want to buy from that farm buy specifically from that farm because under the way it is at the moment , they can just say, the moment, they can just say, oh, a penny more oh, you're a penny more expensive, we'll go to next farm. >> yeah. or abroad. >> yeah. or abroad. >> abroad. yeah >> or abroad. yeah >> or abroad. yeah >> do, which they do >> or abroad. yeah >>quite do, which they do >> or abroad. yeah >>quite a do, which they do >> or abroad. yeah >>quite a significant�*nich they do >> or abroad. yeah >>quite a significant way. :hey do in quite a significant way. >> well you know the selfish tendency in food in the uk has fallen started farming

fallen since i started farming in 80s when it was stood at in the 80s when it was stood at about mid to low 60s. about 80% to mid to low 60s. today why? well i mean, we are a high wage economy . and for some high wage economy. and for some things, obviously it's climate related . in some instances it's related. in some instances it's regulation . though there are regulation. though there are plenty of other economies that are equally regulated with farming that do the same way . farming that do the same way. yes. i mean, it is just easier to go abroad for many things much of the time . and i suppose much of the time. and i suppose to some extent changing tastes of people wanting to eat tomatoes , peppers and aubergines tomatoes, peppers and aubergines rather than cauliflowers and cabbages. right >> yeah. yeah. and i mean, i suppose if you buy at a supermarket, you're not buying seasonally either are you. because they want tomatoes there all year round. >> you into >> well you walk into a supermarket and you lose any sense of the seasons. i mean it's a slow, sterile, it's a very slow, sterile, regimented environment that bears relationship to a farm. bears no relationship to a farm. >> you've got involved, as i say, as a pioneer with food

boxes. we've got stores closing high streets closing people buying more stuff online. is that the way forward for british farming? i think it could be. >> i think anything that gives farmers an alternative to those big six buyers sort of empowers them. so that could be a veg box. a farmer's box. it could be a farmer's market, could independent market, could be independent retailers, could be new entrants. actually, welcome entrants. actually, i welcome aldi know, i think aldi and lidl. you know, i think they stirred it a bit they have stirred it up a bit and brought alternative . and brought an alternative. yeah, and they work yeah, they have. and they work on margins, which i on much lower margins, which i have degree of respect have to have a degree of respect for now we've had a response from morrisons i'll just use from morrisons and i'll just use morrisons this instance morrisons in this instance because they, they were so pleased you were coming on this programme. >> really were. and they >> they really were. and they say, we've worked with generations of farmers . as we generations of farmers. as we launched our four farmers range. it's been there since 2016 and yes, they accept there's a careful balance between keeping pnces careful balance between keeping prices accessible for customers and ensuring farmers and growers are getting fair returns. your response to morrisons? >> why not actually just name

the farmers rather than their full farmers range? it sounds like another own brand to me. why not empower the farmer by actually saying where you're coming from and naming the farmer the rather than a farmer on the pack rather than a full farmer? >> one piece of good news, one piece of news today out of piece of good news today out of what rishi we're not what rishi said, that we're not going to have taxes being put on meat. it must be meat. that must be a it must be a bit of good we do a little bit of good news. we do actually petition asking actually have a petition asking for parliament review this. actually have a petition asking for theiament review this. actually have a petition asking for the grocery review this. actually have a petition asking for the grocery code iew this. actually have a petition asking for the grocery code of/ this. actually have a petition asking for the grocery code of conduct, >> the grocery code of conduct, and make it more legally and to make it more legally enforceable. and if people agree with our position and want to support british farmers, they can that at get fair about can find that at get fair about farming co—op uk and it's going really well really hope to get to the 100,000 signatories and see it debated in parliament. i'll sign it guys you i wish you all the very best and i genuinely mean that now we don't on this programme , we don't on on this programme, we don't on this channel blow our own trumpet boast. trumpet or boast. >> no , no, no. you can go to a >> no, no, no. you can go to a very loud mouth. presenter on another news channel to that another news channel to get that sort yesterday was another news channel to get that sortfirst yesterday was another news channel to get that sortfirst day yesterday was another news channel to get that sortfirst day since (esterday was another news channel to get that sortfirst day since gb erday was another news channel to get that sortfirst day since gb newswas another news channel to get that sortfirst day since gb news was the first day since gb news was launched that we did across the

day more viewers more day get more viewers and more viewing hours than our rivals at the bbc sky or talktv . so it's the bbc sky or talktv. so it's been a day of some celebration . been a day of some celebration. just to give you some idea, our breakfast show yesterday had double the watch time of sky news and three times the share of the bbc news channel. and this particular show last night had three times the average number of viewers as sky news and almost double the average number of people watching the bbc news channel. we are making progress here at gb news. i think part of the reason is we do have as we've done tonight on the whole issue of what sunak has said, these reversals on net zero, we make sure that all sides of the argument get represent covid and there they are debated with passion. there's question about that. there's no question about that. but i think we treat you as a grown up well . one person who grown up well. one person who certainly treats everybody as a grown up is sirjacob rees—mogg , who will picking up the , who will be picking up the reins with his state of the nafion reins with his state of the nation programme a moment. nation programme in a moment. jacob big day.

>> very important day, >> it's a very important day, i think today is the when think today is the day when rishi is taking control rishi sunak is taking control and set out a plan that and has set out a plan that could win him the next general election. i think it's really important he's broken the net zero consensus that was making people cold and poor. the labour party where go party doesn't know where to go and he is showing himself to and he he is showing himself to be on the side of voters, on the side of british people . it's side of the british people. it's really important. >> but what johnson's not >> but what boris johnson's not very happy. lord zac goldsmith , very happy. lord zac goldsmith, incandescent there are perhaps i mean liz truss hinted this on monday, maybe up to 150 backbenchers who are very committed to the net zero idea. yeah, i mean i sense jacob, this speech was the speech for conference that got leaked early. how big is the rebellion going to be? >> well, it depends how much has to pass through as legislation . to pass through as legislation. yes. in mind the labour yes. and bear in mind the labour party this. so party is committed to this. so with labour votes, greenery always goes through the house of commons, but actually what matters is the voters and penalised people for having a petrol car. you ulez not being

able to get a new gas or oil fired boiler even sooner was penalising our voters and we are governed by consent . you are not governed by consent. you are not the consent for net zero the conservative party , the party of conservative party, the party of the poor, the labour party, the party of the wealthy. >> that's how it's shaping up for election . i will be for the next election. i will be back with you tomorrow evening at 7:00. first, let's have a look at the autumnal weather . look at the autumnal weather. >> the temperatures rising , boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar power proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. hello weather on. gb news. hello again, i'm alex burkill and here's your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. >> some heavy rain across parts of the south—east clearing away overnight showers overnight, but blustery showers in north—west and some sunny in the north—west and some sunny skies on thursday . meanwhile, at skies on thursday. meanwhile, at the we under the the moment, we are under the influence low pressure just influence of low pressure just to the uk and we to the north of the uk and we have a cold front lying across south eastern parts and it's this is bringing some this front that is bringing some intense, downpours as we intense, heavy downpours as we go the rest of today. go through the rest of today. grab actually clearing away towards overnight .

towards the east overnight. behind some clear skies behind it, some clear skies developing, . notice some behind it, some clear skies developitowards . notice some behind it, some clear skies developitowards westernice some behind it, some clear skies developitowards western partsme behind it, some clear skies developitowards western parts of showers towards western parts of wales and england and some hefty rain far north—west rain across the far north—west of uk . with the clear skies, of the uk. with the clear skies, temperatures are going dip temperatures are going to dip a little than some little bit lower than some recent most towns recent nights. most towns and cities, holding cities, though, holding up in double figures. is double figures. thursday is going brighter , sunnier going to be a brighter, sunnier day has been recently day than it has been recently for us, at least some for most of us, at least some showers already across western and fast southern and perhaps fast southern coastal of england and coastal areas of england and wales these becoming wales. these becoming more widespread go through into widespread as we go through into the across scotland the afternoon across scotland and northern ireland. a bit more cloud some heavy cloud here and some heavy showery feeding in. and showery rain feeding in. and this thundery this could turn thundery at times . temperatures likely times. temperatures likely to be a compared to today, a touch down compared to today, but still getting to highs around possibly 20 celsius around 19, possibly 20 celsius through friday. then again is going to get off to a largely bright start. but we will see showers becoming widespread as we the afternoon. some we head into the afternoon. some of still be heavy, of them could still be heavy, perhaps thundery and perhaps even thundery and notably still windy the notably still windy across the far north—west but things are going to ease down as we go through so through later friday. so saturday should get off to a chilly start rain returns chilly start before rain returns

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gb news. >> hello . good evening. it's me, >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight the net zero consensus has been smashed today , the prime minister announced his intention to delay the penal deadunes his intention to delay the penal deadlines of the net zero regime. new petrol diesel ban delayed oil . boiler ban delayed. delayed oil. boiler ban delayed. gas boiler banned . delayed. gas boiler banned. delayed. energy performance fined. stop it. and perhaps best of all, read his lips. no new taxes is this how rishi wins the next election ? then why aren't election? then why aren't britons as keen to work hard as they used to be? whilst we have historically always been one of the working nations in the hardest working nations in the hardest working nations in the world? earlier this month, a king's college report revealed britain's are increasingly seeing as seeing their work as unimportant. be hearing unimportant. i'll be hearing from one of most successful

from one of the most successful entrepreneurs in the uk, sir rocco forte . inflation. good rocco forte. inflation. good news may be coming under control in spite of a steep rise in oil pnces in spite of a steep rise in oil prices as inflation continues to decline , as the latest figures decline, as the latest figures reveal, we are well on our way to halving inflation by the end of the year just goes to show, as ever forecasts are almost always wrong . plus a sir keir always wrong. plus a sir keir starmer visit french president emmanuel macron. new plans have been unveiled for a uk associate membership of the eu drawn up by germany and france, which would bnng germany and france, which would bring this nation back under the tyrannical jurisdiction of the european court of justice . and european court of justice. and guess who was behind it all, sir tony blair. who else will be playing game of know your playing a game of know your night nation starts night state of the nation starts now . now. joined by an incisive panel this evening, assistant editor of the london financial journal, andy mcdonald, and the writer and