gb news way. >> it's 3 pm. is patrick christys. >> it's gb news. and we start with the net zero debacle that's taking place. is this just class warfare? i.e, if you're rich, do you think we should all crack on and hit our net zero targets? but frankly , if you are not but frankly, if you are not rich, are you quite happy with what rishi sunak has done? are the the party of the the tories now the party of the working ? in other news, working class? in other news, i'll discussing as well. i'll be discussing this as well. russell row is for russell brand. that row is for want of a better phrase, rumbling on should politicians be trying to get him cancelled because they are? is that an overstep ? and in this topic as overstep? and in this topic as well, we will be discussing britain potentially going back into eu lite or what will all of that really mean? would you be in favour of it, especially if we were in, for example , the we were in, for example, the single market, or did you leave votes leave leave should

votes to leave and leave should mean be discussing mean leave. i'll be discussing this another this as well. this is another good ever good debating topic. is it ever okay to take your kids out of school during term time? you school during term time? do you think much? do you think they miss it much? do you think they miss it much? do you think back their think it's holding back their education actually education or actually is it cheaper available cheaper and more available and you it ? and one you should be doing it? and one more that broke not more final one that broke not long before i came on air, which is murdoch is this. yes, rupert murdoch is stepping role at stepping down from his role at fox and news corp. what does this of this mean for the future of british media? patrick christys . gb news. yes. okay. do you think that politicians who don't have an electric vehicle, who don't have a heat pump, are hypocrites and you shouldn't listen to them when it comes to the climate emergency? vaiews@gbnews.com. but right now it's your headlines with . rihanna >> good afternoon. it's 3:01. your top story is from the gb news newsroom. the bank of england has left its interest

rate unchanged at 5.25. our economics and business editor liam halligan has the details. >> we're a couple of hours on now, but at 12 noon today, the bank of england behind me, their monetary policy committee, did make the really important decision to hold interest rates at 5.25. finally, finally , at 5.25. finally, finally, finally, after 14 successive rate rises from 0.1% at the end of 2001, all the way up to 5.25, the bank of england has finally decided enough is enough and inflation is now coming down and there's no need for now at least to raise rates any more . oh, to raise rates any more. oh, this will be a huge relief to young families with variable rate mortgages . it will be rate mortgages. it will be a huge relief to company. rate mortgages. it will be a huge relief to company . those huge relief to company. those with variable rate loans . it with variable rate loans. it will be a huge relief to many consumers across the country who have been grappling with high energy bills . energy bills. >> liam halligan outside the bank of england for australia will shadow chancellor rachel reeves says despite the bank's

decision, britain's been left worse off under the conservative gives. >> i think there will be a sense of relief, particularly for those who are coming up to the end of their mortgage deals. but but let's look at where we are in the bigger picture because somebody's coming up to remortgage their house today is looking at paying £220 more a month than they would have done if they had a remortgaged a year ago. so this is still a very challenging time for families and businesses with the cost of living crisis, which continues to bite , the prime minister says to bite, the prime minister says hard pressed families shouldn't have to pay an unaffordable price to reach net zero. >> rishi is defending his decision to roll back some climate policies, saying he won't proceed with plans that would punish motorists and working people. we've been through the numbers and we're absolutely confident that we are on track to hit all our international and domestic targets, which by the way, are world leading and reason i world leading and the reason i have that is

have confidence in that is because overdelivered because we've overdelivered on all budgets to all of our carbon budgets to date, despite everyone saying , date, despite everyone saying, oh, not hit them. oh, you might not hit them. >> delivered on them. >> we've over delivered on them. plus that the costs plus we can see that the costs of of these new of some of these new technologies falling technologies are falling far faster have faster than people have predicted . offshore wind is predicted. offshore wind is a great example that cost. great example of that cost. today, 70% less than we predicted in 2016. >> but shadow minister for industry and decarbonisation, sarah jones, says it's the wrong decision in rishi sunak just doesn't get it. >> he's weak . doesn't get it. >> he's weak. he's given in to liz truss at the first hurdle net zero is the biggest economic opportunity we have in the 21st century. we are a country where we talk about the former industrial heartland as what labour wants to do, get rid of that label. former and create jobs across the country and keep people's bills down. now, what he did yesterday is not going to help people's bills . help people's bills. >> media mogul rupert murdoch is

stepping down from his role as chairman of fox and news corporation. in a note to staff, the 92 year old said he and his companies are in robust health and that the battle for freedom of speech has never been more intense. he'll take on the role of chairman emeritus while his son lachlan becomes sole chairman of both companies. son lachlan becomes sole chairman of both companies . as chairman of both companies. as the king has paid tribute to what he calls the indispensable relationship between the uk and france. on the second day of his state visit his majesty and queen camilla spent the afternoon visiting a flower market before heading to notre dame cathedral . earlier, he dame cathedral. earlier, he became the only british monarch ever to speak from the senate chamber in paris and speaking in both languages, both english and french, he celebrated the friendship and warm familiarity between the two nations, as well as unity on issues such as climate change. >> our two governments are working in partnership to address so many global challenges, and yet as ever, it

is our people who are the true driving force of our relationship , driving force of our relationship, our friendship and warm familiarity are fortified by each new connection between us. it is renewed by each newfound joy in the culture of the other and each reminder of how much we share . how much we share. >> and former soldier daniel khalife has pleaded not guilty to escaping from wandsworth pfison to escaping from wandsworth prison in london. he's accused of strapping himself to the underside of a food delivery vehicle on september the 6th, sparking a four day manhunt. the 21 year old appeared in court via video link from hmp belmarsh . this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car and digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to . patrick

back to. patrick >> welcome along loads on today but i'm starting with this. if you're rich you can afford to care about the environment. if you're poor , you shouldn't have you're poor, you shouldn't have to. isn't it funny how those saying that we can't afford to delay our net zero agenda are usually the people who can afford make all the changes afford to make all the changes they need to virtue signal to their metropolitan mates around their metropolitan mates around their patio pit . their metropolitan mates around their patio pit. i don't their patio fire pit. i don't think people like zac goldsmith understand that simply getting a new electric car or getting a new electric car or getting a new boiler or whatever is beyond the reach of most people or is causing them significant distress prospect of distress at the prospect of bankrupting themselves. so that britain can be world leading in the climate fight back , i found the climate fight back, i found the climate fight back, i found the hysteria from vast swathes of the media absolutely hilarious yesterday, as rishi sunak said that he'd slowed down those net zero plans, it was as if he'd kicked a family of polar bears to death , taking bears to death, taking a flamethrower to a patch of amazonian woodland and force fed coal to kids . amazonian woodland and force fed coal to kids. one loving media

type thought that she'd managed to corner kemi badenoch on this morning's media rounds by saying , well, most poor people don't drive anyway. do they? so they won't really be affected by this ban on new petrol and diesel cars.i ban on new petrol and diesel cars. i mean, that in itself reveals the shockingly sheltered world that many people in the media live in. they talk about issues and people that they clearly know very little about as badenoch said, get out of london, get out of the little bubble. a lot of these media luvvies live in people living in rural communities drive people in northern suburbs drive time and time again , people who and time again, people who virtue signal about climate objectives have no idea about how these schemes are going to negatively impact the lives of normal people. rich people can afford to think about how we look on the world stage, about whether we meet our international obligations, about whether or not we're offsetting as fast as our comparable g7 nations. normal people can only

afford to think about how much money they've got in their pay paycheque this month and whether they can afford to get their existing petrol or diesel car serviced. the pearl clutching well—to—do types, they scream. what about our international obligations? oh, most of the people focus on the obligation that they have towards feeding their kids and paying their mortgage. what i liked about rishi sunaks statement yesterday was that it was the first time i can remember a political leader actually coming out and saying, look, need to do more to help look, we need to do more to help out with the climate, but we're not to burn to death not all going to burn to death if we don't things right now, if we don't do things right now, this second sunak doesn't want to bankrupt ordinary people in order to hit a punitive target . order to hit a punitive target. he has challenged anybody who thinks that people in doncaster should go skint to explain to those people why they now think that. those people why they now think that . so mark those people why they now think that. so mark my those people why they now think that . so mark my words, what that. so mark my words, what will happen in the coming weeks and months is that the climate lobby will start to get even more extreme with their threats

ramping up the urgency as a form of justification . and they still of justification. and they still obviously, though , won't protest obviously, though, won't protest in beijing or new delhi at the last election when many working class northern areas lent the tories their vote. what i think is interesting about yesterday's sunak announcement is that it was clearly an attempt to position the tories as being on the side of the working class. labour it appears, may still be obsessed with north london. middle class academic lefties . middle class academic lefties. well that's what i think. i do want to hear from you. you can email me gbviews@gbnews.uk . pm email me gbviews@gbnews.uk. pm it is also, i think, worth saying that there's probably a healthy dose of politics opportunism involved all of opportunism involved in all of this. you do feel as though this. if you do feel as though you're going your you're going to miss your targets, i suppose targets, then yeah, i suppose you targets. you would change those targets. but financially for but i think financially for the average on the average man and woman on the street, it was probably the right thing do. rishi right thing to do. but rishi sunak uk sunak has insisted that the uk can meet climate can still meet these climate targets despite the

targets despite putting the brakes on net zero policies. what that what he is saying is that we will world leading. we will still be world leading. we will still be world leading. we will these targets. will still hit these targets. we're back and we're not rolling back and starting to, you know, pump out smoke and into antarctica smoke and smog into antarctica or anytime but some have or anytime soon. but some have accused of weaponising the accused sunak of weaponising the issue for political gain and the prime minister says that he's taking pragmatic steps to help british families. >> but as i said yesterday in this debate, it gets polarised between extremes. there are people who just want to deny climate change is happening . climate change is happening. they're the other they're wrong. and on the other side, are people who side, there are people who approach kind of approach this with a kind of more where they more ideological zeal where they just don't about the impact just don't care about the impact on families. i don't think they're either . what i've they're right either. what i've done pick the pragmatic calls done is pick the pragmatic calls to delivering zero, because to delivering net zero, because i believe in it and i think the country and wants country does and wants to do what's necessary. they want what's necessary. but they want that done in a fair, proportionate and pragmatic way. that's the course that we are taking, and i think that's the one that will command the broadest of support. broadest amount of support. >> yeah, mean, media >> yeah, i mean, the media reaction to i was here, reaction to it, i was here, i was watching it all happen and unfold couldn't help unfold live and i couldn't help but as though some people

but feel as though some people were make that were trying to make out that he'd a puffin in he'd just dipped a puffin in a vat was happily vat of oil and was happily killing with his new killing it with his new announcements. but gb news is political correspondent. olivia utley westminster. utley joins me from westminster. olivia, much . so olivia, thank you very much. so there's bit of tory there's been a bit of tory pushback on this. know, zac pushback on this. you know, zac goldsmith as well was coming out and saying is absolutely and saying this is absolutely ridiculous. need a general ridiculous. we need a general election said. some election now, he said. some would hysterical. all would say a bit hysterical. all >> well, yes, i think we can safely say that rishi sunak's announcement yesterday has reignited a tory civil war, which has been sort of bubbling under the surface ever since the end of the liz truss fiasco at the end of last year. people like zac goldsmith, chris skidmore , the chair of the net skidmore, the chair of the net zero scrutiny group , and boris zero scrutiny group, and boris johnson of course have come out and had very , very harsh words and had very, very harsh words to say about rishi sunak's announcement that said, the prime minister has certainly made some friends both inside and outside the conservative party with this announcement. kemi badenoch , who was on the

kemi badenoch, who was on the media round this morning, sounded incredibly enthusiastic . sometimes you get the feeling that government ministers are talking the prime minister talking up the prime minister through gritted teeth. while not badenoch morning. and there badenoch this morning. and there are of conservative are plenty of other conservative mps taken to twitter to mps who've taken to twitter to express their support. there are definitely mps as well who are just relieved that one way and another rishi sunak has managed to find a dividing line between himself and labour. there are conservatives i've spoken to who don't feel particularly passionate one way or the other about this tinkering around the net zero legislation, because let's remember , it is pretty let's remember, it is pretty minor tinkering, delaying the ban on petrol and diesel cars from 2030 to 2035. but they do feel very strongly that rishi sunak has now put a line in the sand and previously they've been worried that without much policy differentiation between labour and the conservatives , people and the conservatives, people will simply vote for labour because they want a change. well, not any more. keir starmer has been pretty clear, pretty adamant that he would want a

much closer relationship with the eu, even making the uk sign up wholesale to some eu policies . and now rishi sunak is saying that he would pursue an energy strategy which keir starmer has said he would wouldn't touch with a bargepole . so it feels with a bargepole. so it feels very much as though the general election campaign is starting and it'll be fascinating to see where the electorate come down in the polling and in the election itself . yeah, absolutely. >> it's good finally, because before you could just fit a rizla paper, couldn't you, between the two major parties in this country, it was all getting a little bit dull and a bit samey. and could argue that samey. and you could argue that neither performing neither of them were performing particularly well. and now we've got difference. got a big point of difference. just reiterating, just worth reiterating, olivia, if what was the labour if possible, what was the labour reaction to what rishi reaction then to what rishi sunak had to say yesterday? obviously they're not in favour of steve reid, the of it. i had steve reid, the shadow environment minister on shadow environment minister, on who, owning a an eco who, despite not owning a an eco car or getting his boiler changed anytime soon, did think that we needed to plough ahead and hit those 2030 targets. so

where are labour today ? where are labour today? >> well, yes, labour . labour >> well, yes, labour. labour have been very critical about the government's mission. they've sort of suggest that the government is selling britain's future down the river. but actually on the specific measures that rishi sunak has talked about, they're slightly holding fire. i think it's clear that labour don't really want to be that we will ban your boiler party they're being party and so they're being a little bit cautious about what they say. while also trying to show that they are the party, they are the green party , they they are the green party, they are the net zero party. and of course, let's not forget there are votes in that too. there are conservatives in the sort of leafy south—west, south—east, where some of the more affluent constituencies who actually they were their eco credentials with pride and their constituents might actually turn away from the conservatives because of this announcement. so labour is sort it quite safe at sort of playing it quite safe at the moment. want to be the the moment. they want to be the green want green party, but they don't want to critical of what rishi to too be critical of what rishi sunak saying. just it sunak saying. just in case it plays well the electorate. plays well with the electorate. >> the politics this plays well with the electorate.

>> absolutelyiolitics this plays well with the electorate. >> absolutely fascinating.is are absolutely fascinating. olivia, very, olivia, thank you very, very much. olivia utley there, our political me political reporter joining me now senior lecturer in now is senior lecturer in sustainable construction and climate change is john grant. john, thank you very, very much. please tell me you've got an electric car or . electric car or. >> no, i don't have an electric car because just like you pointed out, they're crushingly expensive. >> but my car's due for a change. and when it is , i will change. and when it is, i will be getting a i hope, a second hand electric car because there'll be a market for that. >> do you not think. do you not think we're. yeah well, look, look, having a a look, we're having a bit of a laugh about it, but there is a serious point here, which is that, are that, you know, if they are expensive and out of reach for most including most people, including apparently are apparently politicians who are on somewhere £90,000 on somewhere near £90,000 a yean on somewhere near £90,000 a year, not think that year, do you not think that highlights the fact that doreen from absolutely from doncaster absolutely cannot afford all of the things afford to do all of the things that asked her do to hit afford to do all of the things thatzero asked her do to hit afford to do all of the things thatzero targets?�*|er do to hit afford to do all of the things thatzero targets? and do to hit afford to do all of the things thatzero targets? and rishi 10 hit afford to do all of the things thatzero targets? and rishi ishit right. >> well, i mean, there's a vast number of people who can't even afford any car . afford a car, right? any car. >> so let's let's get that that sorted first. >> and this government has been

driving those those poor people again against the mill wheel. >> and we need to support them. and one and they're just doesn't seem to be a narrative where those people that are struggling can be offered any real support to improve their homes. >> well it's just like going to take the £10,000 of improvement i >> -- >> yeah, and that's not true. >> yeah, and that's not true. >> seven and a half. 7500 pounds is the figure that rishi sunak said yesterday that he was going to give if you needed to get a new boiler. so i suppose there is some financial help there. let i'll tell you what, let's let me i'll tell you what, let's let's have a look at what do you think? got think? rishi sunak got wrong yesterday were the yesterday then? so what were the problems he said? yeah problems with what he said? yeah >> key problem is him >> the key problem is, is him looking buildings, right. looking at buildings, right. because biased on this one. because i'm biased on this one. but you mistake on a but if you make a mistake on a car, the car cycle is relatively short, right? you know, it's sort of ten years or something of that order. but if you make a mistake on buildings , those mistake on buildings, those buildings are around for 40 years minimum , maybe double years minimum, maybe double that. and if you're going to

build awful buildings and the 2025 regulation was not to strip people out from their boilers , people out from their boilers, right? it was to build really high quality or better quality houses that that cost a fraction to heat than the current houses. and we'd hoped that it would roll forwards because of the compulsion to improve the building stock as we move forwards because at the moment maybe four out of ten houses could be retrofit very easily, very quickly to drop their bills. and. >> but how much would that how much would that actually cost? i think i'm right in saying and i promise you i will double check this afterwards. and if i've got this afterwards. and if i've got this wrong, i'll clarify it this wrong, i'll i'll clarify it right, there were a lot right, because there were a lot of numbers flying around yesterday. think i'm yesterday. right. i think i'm right saying that labour said right in saying that labour said that something that they would do something like know , insulate like like, you know, insulate something like 9 million homes. but mean, paying for but i mean, who's paying for that right now? >> here's the fun bit. right. and capitalist who should and a good capitalist who should see the opportunity here in that

the investment into insulation actually has a payback . so there actually has a payback. so there is a an actual financial and employment benefit, economic benefit to investing in improving people's homes because you get the money back . this you get the money back. this isn't a cost. this is an investment. and the investment is broader than just cash . is broader than just cash. >> but when? yeah, but when are we getting that money back? >> why can't government support? >> why can't government support? >> so when we've paid so so >> so when we've paid so okay so when paid as taxpayers for when we've paid as taxpayers for the insulation of several million homes and we've paid the people to go around and insulate those after that people to go around and insulate thos we after that people to go around and insulate thoswe get after that people to go around and insulate thoswe get our after that people to go around and insulate thoswe get our money after that people to go around and insulate thoswe get our money back that people to go around and insulate thoswe get our money back ?hat will we get our money back? >> well , will we get our money back? >> well, obviously for insulation , you get a huge insulation, you get a huge payback. insulation, you get a huge payback . so, you know, it may payback. so, you know, it may only cost sort of about a maybe it's different houses, different sizes. it's very hard to give an average, but it's round numbers, £1,000, £200 a year, five years. you get your payback. and from

then on because it lasts 30 years, you get that that benefit on and on and on. now now you know , to 2010, 2010, there was know, to 2010, 2010, there was this programme where you could get the government to pay you to improve your home and then you paid for it out of what you saved and they cancelled it because they tried to gouge the people doing that with an 8% interest rate because it was 2 or 3% back then, we could do something similar now and make a profit. >> all right . >> all right. >> all right. >> well, when you look at the fact that rishi sunak is saying that will still be world leading and will still hit all our targets, is that enough for targets, is that not enough for you, the end result you, even if the end result here, is it just saves people money the term? money in the short term? >> i it were. i wish this >> i wish it were. i wish this was political where we was a political game where we could let's be top. could be. yeah, let's be top. let's be top. but actually let's not be top. but actually there's thing there's a and it's the thing that minister sort of that the prime minister sort of missed this a science , missed that this is a science, this challenge. is this challenge. this is a climate change challenge , not a climate change challenge, not a political problem . and well, he

political problem. and well, he will say, look, john, you know, he will say he will say that the £150 million green future fellowship , that he decided that fellowship, that he decided that he was going to set up yesterday to encourage leading scientists and engineers have and engineers to have these breakthrough technologies breakthrough green technologies that with that. that will help with that. >> will also that we >> he will also say that we account than 1% of the account for less than 1% of the world's emissions well i >> -- >> so again, yeah, mean, that's. >> go on. »- >> go on. >> i appreciate that we're small, but we are also that gives the opportunity to gives us the opportunity to improve and show how it can be done, to show how it can be done. >> but but doreen in doncaster is going to go and show beijing how it's done. but meanwhile , how it's done. but meanwhile, you know, she's scared, mate . you know, she's scared, mate. >> don't, don't miss, don't miss the point that that china is a in very many ways an awful political system. yeah but they want to make a profit . and if want to make a profit. and if they see that here we are a developed country is able to expand and reduce our carbon emissions and how we do that for

a change, we could sell something to them rather than buying something. i get it. >> and i think i think i do get it. john and i think, as you probably it's like two probably admit, it's like two different ways of looking at the world i'm sure world right? and i'm not sure i'm i'm not sure you i'm not sure. i'm not sure you and going to look at and i are ever going to look at it same way. but do really it the same way. but i do really respect you. we are out of time, but would love to to but i would love to talk to you about soon. i about this again soon. and i would really do appreciate you coming all right, john, coming on. all right, john, thank you. john there, thank you. john grant there, who is a senior lecturer in sustainable construction and climate is climate change. i think it is those two different ways of looking world, isn't it? looking at the world, isn't it? but we go. anyway, but there we go. anyway, coming up, discussing the row up, we'll be discussing the row over the chair over russell brand, the chair of the culture committee, the commons culture committee, strongly getting involved in this. example? this. is this another example? okay. culture? okay. of cancel culture? should a involved a politician be getting involved and saying need to and saying that we need to cancel christys cancel somebody patrick christys gb news

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news is . was a fascinating story news is. was a fascinating story brewing about an overreach potentially by the government , potentially by the government, by politicians into freedom of speech. >> now a video platform used by russell brand, the comedian facing very serious accusations of rape , etcetera, has warned of of rape, etcetera, has warned of a threat to free speech after a leading politician told them to get brand off their platform. so dame caroline dinnage, chair of the house of commons media committee, wrote to rumble, which is this platform to say that she was concerned that he could profit from his content. so dineage has written to

several media companies about their relationship with brand , their relationship with brand, andifs their relationship with brand, and it's worth noting she also wrote to gb news about tweets by presenter bev turner, referring to russell brand as a hero. now rumble called the letter extremely disturbing. benjamin jones , outreach director of the jones, outreach director of the free speech union, joins me now. benjamin, great to chat to you. thank you very, very much. regard less of your opinions or anyone's opinions really on russell brand . is this an russell brand. is this an overreach , the asphyxiating hand overreach, the asphyxiating hand of the orwellian state? >> well, i was pretty startled when i saw the letter that she sent. i thought it was incredibly ill judged and it reminded me of the thing reminded me of the sort of thing that a parliament of middle that a parliament of the middle ages done, an ages would have done, passing an act strip act of attainder to strip somebody of their livelihood, act of attainder to strip someland of their livelihood, act of attainder to strip someland and 1eir livelihood, act of attainder to strip someland and their velihood, act of attainder to strip someland and their titlesyod, their land and their titles without of a without the niceties of a courtroom process or any courtroom or due process or any of the rest of it . i don't see of the rest of it. i don't see any role for members of parliament to inject themselves into the story. russell brand's facing some very serious allegations . facing some very serious allegations. means he's innocent. still in the eyes of

the law, the police are investigating and that process needs to play out. i don't see that there's a role for here members of parliament to force themselves into this story and this entirely improper way. this this entirely improper way. >> think the fact for me is >> i think the fact for me is that it could happen to anybody, couldn't mean, for and couldn't it? i mean, for and a lot companies and for lot lot of companies and for a lot of corporations means a letter from a respected member of parliament telling them to from a respected member of pa|somethinglling them to from a respected member of pa|something would |em to from a respected member of pa|something would be to from a respected member of pa|something would be all to from a respected member of pa|something would be all that do something would be all that it them cancelled . it takes to get them cancelled. we see, especially here at gb news, all too often, in my opinion, a couple people opinion, a couple of people tweeting something and then all of a sudden , you know, companies of a sudden, you know, companies pull out of something or or things it is an things happen and it is an attempt at cancellation and having a political wing to that cancellation, i don't think does anyone any favours because frankly, it could be you next. >> yeah. and the allegations brand faces are obviously the most serious end of the spectrum. but i think once you start down the path of members of parliament thinking it's their job to of parliament thinking it's theirjob to intervene in stories of this nature and try and have people demonetise us

before there's been any police investigation allowed to play out before there's been a trial or any judicial process ? i think or any judicial process? i think once you start down that slippery slope, it's going to be very difficult for society to stop doing that. i think members of parliament need to have a much clearer idea of what their role no need for an role is. there's no need for an mp to involve themselves in this in this way . mp to involve themselves in this in this way. in like this i >> -- >> yeah, no, indeed. and i actually think that it says a lot about the way the society is in general. i mean, it's a different issue, but there are some parallels, which is we look at happened in peckham at what happened in peckham recently with that where recently with that shop where there this massive ha recently with that shop where thera this massive ha recently with that shop where thera kind his massive ha recently with that shop where thera kind of massive ha recently with that shop where thera kind of pseudoe ha recently with that shop where thera kind of pseudo race ha recently with that shop where thera kind of pseudo race riot and a kind of pseudo race riot taking place outside. it's all gone quiet now, by the gone rather quiet now, by the way, is interesting, way, which is interesting, i think. but and that was based around people massively jumping to something to conclusions about something and not maybe taking in all of the facts then taking the full facts and then taking extreme action and i think we deserve from deserve better from our politicians. don't we? >> yeah, i think politics and law can't be run in a way consistent with tiktok attention

span. consistent with tiktok attention span . a police investigation of span. a police investigation of this sort and a trial. if one follows, it's going to be an immensely time consuming process . it's going to take months and years. it's not something that's going to be resolved in the five days or so that these these accusations have been the accusations have been in the pubuc accusations have been in the public going to public domain. it's going to take longer than now. take much longer than that now. >> let me thank you >> indeed. let me thank you very, always a very, very much. always a pleasure. their pleasure. benjamin jones, their outreach director at the free speech . just to speech union. just reacting to politicians or a politician really getting involved really getting bang involved with russell brand saga, with the old russell brand saga, contacting us, contacting rumble. that absolutely rumble. i find that absolutely disgraceful but disgraceful personally. but there we go. i'm sure that many people would disagree. just a couple of quick emails. vaiews@gbnews.com. patrick we don't world, don't live in a perfect world, says leanne. we can't pay to be leaders in the world. why has it got come out very got to come out of my very shallow pockets show the rest shallow pockets to show the rest of world how amazing the uk of the world how amazing the uk is? leanne i completely of the world how amazing the uk is? witheanne i completely of the world how amazing the uk is? with you; i completely of the world how amazing the uk is? with you. when mpletely of the world how amazing the uk is? with you. when m comes to agree with you. when it comes to electric when it comes agree with you. when it comes to el

made to. and when people's answer well, answer to that is, well, subsidies that paying subsidies that still is paying for it's still for it, isn't it? it's still taxpayers it. why taxpayers paying for it. and why should you or any one of us be used as the scapegoat so that the next time our leaders stand on stage with china on the world stage with china or india, look how india, they can say, look how well we're doing. china and india views at gb india don't care. gb views at gb views get those views views .com. get those views coming in thick and fast. but in just the european just a moment, the european union offer union could offer the uk associate membership . want to associate membership. i want to talk a more about this. talk a bit more about this. yesterday overtaken yesterday we were overtaken by events with sunak green announcement. mean announcement. could it mean abiding eu rules without abiding by eu rules without having a say over anything? i will speak to a former brexit party mep for his take this. party mep for his take on this. i he's too happy about it. i doubt he's too happy about it. but that , it's the but before all of that, it's the latest headlines with . rihanna >> it's 331. your top stories from the newsroom. the bank of england has left its interest rate unchanged at 5.25. it follows yesterday's better than expected inflation data. the bank's governor, andrew bailey , bank's governor, andrew bailey, has welcomed the news, saying he

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the of the showers across the focus of the showers across parts of scotland and northern ireland. as we go through the end some of these end of the day, some of these could quite heavy. also some could be quite heavy. also some heavy, intense downpours developing parts developing across parts of the engush developing across parts of the english channel. these could english channel. and these could reach coastal parts in the reach some coastal parts in the south—east central south—east across more central eastern parts of england. we're going some clear skies. eastern parts of england. we're going turn some clear skies. eastern parts of england. we're going turn quite me clear skies. eastern parts of england. we're going turn quite chillyzar skies. eastern parts of england. we're going turn quite chilly here.ies. could turn quite chilly here. and pockets of mist and fog and some pockets of mist and fog are likely as we through the are likely as we go through the early of friday, friday, are likely as we go through the early gettingyf friday, friday, are likely as we go through the early getting off �*iday, friday, are likely as we go through the early getting off to |y, friday, are likely as we go through the early getting off to |y, bright, then getting off to a bright, sunny across parts of sunny start across many parts of england. plenty of showers england. but plenty of showers across north—west and across the north—west and western and western parts of wales and a cloudier showery picture across parts of scotland and northern ireland. the cloud is going to bubble up across england , so bubble up across england, so turning cloudy as we turning a bit cloudy as we go into the afternoon a into the afternoon with a scattering of showers developing, though, notice some bright across bright skies developing across parts scotland and northern parts of scotland and northern ireland. temperatures may be down two compared down a degree or two compared to today, around 18 today, with highs around 18 celsius staying windy across parts orkney and shetland . parts of orkney and shetland. and later ridge of and later friday, a ridge of high pressure will build in from the west. so that's going to quieten weather quieten down our weather somewhat, into somewhat, taking us into a chilly night friday night into

saturday, itself, then saturday, saturday itself, then should largely fine and should be a largely fine and bright , if not sunny day should be a largely fine and bright, if not sunny day for some. the rain returns in some. but the rain returns in time sunday by looks like time for sunday by looks like things are heating up boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . weather on. gb news. >> welcome back. you are watching or listening to me patrick christys on gb news on your tv, and radio loads your tv, online and radio loads to bring you between now and 6 pm. in fact, very shortly we're going to be having a discussion about whether or not we should be way, shape or form be in any way, shape or form rejoining the european union. and is okay you're a to and is it okay if you're a to parent your kid out of parent take your kid out of school what do school during term time? what do you think about that? but before that, the police officer that, the met police officer charged with the murder of chris kaba released on bail. kaba has been released on bail. 24 year old mr kaba died. the day after he was hit by a single gunshot in streatham hill in september last year. we can get the latest on this with our home

and security editor mark white, who's outside the old bailey for us. mark >> well , it us. mark >> well, it was a second court appearance for this firearms officer today. the first court appearance being at westminster magistrates court and then very unusually, another one scheduled for the same day here at the old bailey. now at that first hearing, this officer answered a charge of murder that he murdered 24 year old chris kaba in streatham hill in south london on the 5th of september last year. now the court heard that mr kaba had been in a vehicle that was linked to gun crime. that vehicle was being tailed by some unmarked firearms vehicles . it was pulled over in vehicles. it was pulled over in a residential street in streatham hill . and during that streatham hill. and during that operation to arrest mr kaba, a single gunshot was fired through the window screen. and that connected with chris kaba ,

connected with chris kaba, causing him serious head injuries. he died in the early hours of the next morning in hospital. will that officer cannot be named. he was granted anonymity today . he can only be anonymity today. he can only be referred to as 1 to 1 and 1 to 1 appeared at the old bailey just after 230 this afternoon on on a bail hearing. and that bail heanng bail hearing. and that bail hearing granted him bail until a heanng hearing granted him bail until a hearing again here at the old bailey . on the 1st of december. bailey. on the 1st of december. a plea and direction hearing on that occasion. there will be another court case or at least a heanng another court case or at least a hearing here at the old bailey a week on friday. this one an appeal being brought by members of the press against that anonymity order that was granted in favour of this firearms officer . officer. >> mark, thank you very, very much . mark wyatt, our home and much. mark wyatt, our home and security editor outside the old bailey. now france and germany

are reportedly planning to offer britain and other european countries associate membership of the european union , which of the european union, which would once again see the uk contribute to the eu's annual budget and be governed by the european court of justice. in exchange for access to the bloc's single market. well, the plan would be in line with sir keir starmer's pledge to seek a better deal with the eu if he wins the next general election. and of course, follows on from his nice little trip to shake emmanuel macron's hand earlier this week. let's get the views now of former brexit party mep ben habib. ben, thank you very, very much. would this just be a complete capitulation or is it in line with various opinion polls that we see at the moment that appear to say that people think brexit has been a disaster ? >> well, 7 >> well, just ? >> well, just addressing the opinion polls to start with , opinion polls to start with, brexit hasn't been a disaster. it's just that we've failed as a country to do anything material

with brexit. we've still got 4800 eu regulation ins on our books , on our statute books, books, on our statute books, which can be badenoch sadly has chosen not to repeal. and in my view, should have been repealed. we're still hitched by apron strings to the eu as far as state aid competition environment environmental includes the pernicious drive to net zero is concerned . we are net zero is concerned. we are slipping back into pesco by joining up to various pesco projects . that's permanent projects. that's permanent structured cooperation on the military front , we're slipping military front, we're slipping back into horizon europe, which is a politically motivated research programme that the eu runs and so we haven't actually really done anything with brexit. and then of course on top of that, patrick, we've got the awful position of northern ireland having been left behind in the eu single market, subject to the subject to the same foreign laws made by a foreign

legislature and, and adjudicated by a foreign court that keir starmer and others would like to take us back into . so my answer take us back into. so my answer to anyone who says brexit is failed is actually brexit has not been tested by what we voted for was to leave the single market in its entirety. northern ireland included, to chart an independent path for the united kingdom, ditching eu regulations and making policies and laws with british national interests. >> let's talk about let's we haven't done that. yeah, look, let's talk , though. let's talk let's talk, though. let's talk about that because i wonder whether or not what we're seeing with the net zero issue that's reared its head now about all this talk about oh, we're going to destroy our international obligations, oh, we're not going to be world leading we're not to be world leading or we're not going be able to get on the going to be able to get on the world stage. we are so afraid of being classed as international panahs being classed as international pariahs actually pariahs that we are not actually acting interests acting in our best interests a lot the time. think lot of the time. do you think that's happened that's what's happened with brexit? a brexit? you've rattled off a whole things, a whole list of things, a catalogue that we've catalogue of things that we've not done. maybe we could

not done. well, maybe we could have taken advantage by virtue of sovereign, of being a sovereign, independent nation and we've not done because done that, arguably because we're scared of what we're too scared of what emmanuel macron might think . emmanuel macron might think. >> well, you're absolutely right. we are scared of the eu. we fear the eu as much as those europhiles wish us to take back in because they like it. and our government simply hasn't got the political will or courage to do what's right for the british people. i mean , we see that all people. i mean, we see that all the time. patrick don't we, in terms of how our borders are enforced in terms of how we've given up fishing licences to the french, in terms of how we gave in to the bullying of france and germany during the brexit negotiations and the eventual awful deal that we signed ourselves into. we've got to remember that actually we are a powerful sixth largest economy in the world and we've got a proud and a fantastic economic history and we could be so much

more if our government actually believed in us and believed in themselves because remember, when they take us back into the eu or into the associate membership that they're now talking about, membership that they're now talking about , effectively what talking about, effectively what they're doing is consigning westminster to being a council. you know , as opposed to being a you know, as opposed to being a national legislature. and that's a vote of no confidence in themselves. >> that's deliberate, though, isn't it, ben? it's not deliberate because they don't want to have to take responsibility actions. responsibility for our actions. yeah, period of time yeah, it was a period of time where we could blame everything on and it happened to on the eu and it happened to coincide, my view, with the coincide, in my view, with the eu doing lot wrong. so fine. eu doing a lot wrong. so fine. but we've had the but now we've had the opportunity us to up opportunity for us to stand up and counted and take and be counted and take responsibility our own and be counted and take responsand:y our own and be counted and take respons and lead our own and be counted and take responsand lead ourselves. i'm actions and lead ourselves. i'm sorry, but i think what's been exposed political exposed is a political class that don't do that. one that don't want to do that. one of reasons they to of the main reasons they want to go back into the eu, even if it's just in name or it's just in name only or whatever is, so that they whatever it is, is so that they would have somebody would always have somebody else to something to blame if something goes wrong. yeah. wrong. no yeah. >> i mean, they've they've always someone they blame always got someone they blame the civil service, they blame the civil service, they blame

the , they blame everyone the quangos, they blame everyone all sundry for their failure all in sundry for their failure to do their job. but they are wed to going back into the eu. i think our political class, including the conservative party, frankly , just before i party, frankly, just before i came on starmer made a declaration in montreal that he didn't want to diverge from the eu at all. well that would mean making laws in this country to mimic those made in the eu. i find it remarkable , utter lunacy. >> i find it remarkable. it's remarkable . if you were if you remarkable. if you were if you were advising as well, keir starmer, i would have continued to have him to keep his to have told him to keep his mouth because he was home mouth shut because he was home and hosed. you know, the polls were if were were all in his favour. if were were all in his favour. if we had a general election, you know, would have got in. and know, he would have got in. and then start telling us then you can start telling us about but the about what you think. but in the meantime, talking meantime, he started talking about slash about new brexit deal slash dragging the eu, dragging us back into the eu, something fruity about more asylum for kids. asylum seekers votes for kids. you not diverging from net you know, not diverging from net zero the now and zero at the moment. now and all of a people looking of a sudden people are looking at hang on a at it and going, hang on a minute, not sure. i actually minute, i'm not sure. i actually really that. ben, thank

really want that. but ben, thank you much. ben habib, really want that. but ben, thank you former much. ben habib, really want that. but ben, thank you former brexitrch. ben habib, really want that. but ben, thank you former brexit party an habib, really want that. but ben, thank you former brexit party mep,bib, the former brexit party mep, giving views. says giving his views. now he says something that is something there that is interesting and we'll just quickly on this quickly like your views on this gbviews@gbnews.com. when you voted brexit, you did, voted for brexit, if you did, did vote to leave the single did you vote to leave the single market and customs union? because that's a key point of difference, it? you difference, isn't it? if you did, going did, then obviously going back into you or did into it is not for you or did you vote? maybe to to take you vote? maybe i to no to take back control of your of back more control of your of borders or was it a single issue for you? but coming up, a new study now study has found that parents now consider out consider taking their kids out of for term time holidays of school for term time holidays as acceptable as entirely socially acceptable . well, i'll speak to a conservative peer for his take. yes. do you think you should be able take kids out of able to take your kids out of school time? patrick school during term time? patrick christys british news .

britain's news . britain's news. channel >> a new study has found that parents now consider taking their kids out of school for term time holidays as entirely socially acceptable . public socially acceptable. public first says that school closures as a result of the pandemic and teachers strikes have shifted. how parents view daily school attendance. many are now saying that they're not put off by government fines for taking their kids out of school . what their kids out of school. what do you think about all of this? i've got little poll running i've got a little poll running on moment, on my twitter at the moment, out patrick far, 74% of patrick christys. so far, 74% of you think, yes, okay you think, yes, it's okay to take kid school . take your kid out of school. let's speak now to editor in chief the good schools guide, chief of the good schools guide, lord lucas, this. lord ralph lucas, about this. thank very much. great to thank you very much. great to have you the show. bit of have you on the show. the bit of that i think

that study that i don't think they was that i think they mentioned was that i think a parents are very a lot of parents are very annoyed about their kids being taught hypersexualized stuff and actually they'd rather just take them in tenerife i >> -- >> well, i quite agree with you about some of what's being taughtin about some of what's being taught in some schools . and taught in some schools. and unplanned high levels of children not attending is really not helpful to schools. >> it increases the difficulty of teaching it makes it harder for the schools to make progress with children. if they're in and out and they don't know who's going to be there and they don't know who's learnt what. and the previous . but it's clear to previous week. but it's clear to me that parents are changing their views of what the relationship with school should be and the fundamental in british education is that parents are in charge of education. so maybe we need to rethink this . maybe this is rethink this. maybe this is something we need to have a really serious conversation about what is the relationship

between parents and children. >> let's have that conversation. >> let's have that conversation. >> let's have that conversation. i think you know, the pandemic has got a lot to answer for for, this. i refuse believe that this. i refuse to believe that there should a huge there should be now a huge priority value of priority on the value of children's education when it comes to whether or not, you know, tiffany can take know, tiffany and hugo can take their to the bahamas their kid to the bahamas for a week during time where was week during term time where was that during that conversation during the pandemic whilst we shackled children their own children into their own bedrooms? you know, i think that's got an issue. do you that's got an issue. but do you just think and more parents just think more and more parents care school? care less about school? they think it, think there's less value to it, maybe teachers are on maybe because teachers are on strike more ? strike more? >> well, there was some of that coming through in the in the study, there ? study, wasn't there? >> and it's a it's a >> and i mean, it's a it's a conversational study. it's not it's not something that's reliable as to as to figures . reliable as to as to figures. but i think it really is pointing a direction that we need to pay attention to. how are we to going accommodate this change in the way that parents are viewing their relationship with school in such a way that their children still get the best possible education? >> i mean, look , i don't want to

>> i mean, look, i don't want to pry >> i mean, look, i don't want to pry too much into your personal life so you don't have to. i just just anecdotally, i mean , just just anecdotally, i mean, did you have kids? did you take them out of school during term time? no, no , no. time? no, no, no. >> i mean, no . >> i mean, no. >> well, well—behaved on that . >> well, well—behaved on that. you know, it's i think turning up when you're supposed to in school is something that really helps your children's education and really helps the school run. but there are there are other ways of doing it. you can there are some very good schools where children go 2 or 3 days a week and they're educated by their parents. the other 2 or 3 days. so it's possible to have other other forms of this and other ways of doing it and ways of doing it. and if a school organised itself saying right , any school organised itself saying right, any time in this 2 or 3 weeks, take your week's holiday and for the other the other couple of weeks we'll we will be doing revision , we'll be doing doing revision, we'll be doing reading things, we'll be doing this or that , which doesn't this or that, which doesn't require timetabling .

require timetabling. >> hmm. do you think do you do you do you honestly do you think it might be a little bit rich for teachers to complain too much about the impact on children's education when they are content to go out strike are content to go out on strike as are? as much as they are? >> quite . that's just >> well, quite. that's just been a demonstration of the fact that they think them being absent is fine and they get ticked off when their children are absent. >> it's worrying, isn't it? it's worrying that they think, oh, look, all right. don't look, it'll be all right. don't worry. kids can afford worry. the kids can afford to miss them miss out on me teaching them geography weeks. but if geography for two weeks. but if they decide that they want to go to sardinia, then we can't possibly like very to sardinia, then we can't possibiit's like very to sardinia, then we can't possibiit's great like very to sardinia, then we can't possibiit's great to like very to sardinia, then we can't possibiit's great to like you on much. it's great to have you on the lord lucas, the show, lord ralph lucas, who's in chief of the who's the editor in chief of the good guide. think good schools guide. i think it's changing. think changing. it's shifting. i think we're a massive we're going to see a massive increase schooling. increase in home schooling. we're quite possibly already are, i think we we're quite possibly already are,going i think we we're quite possibly already are,going to i think we we're quite possibly already are,going to nowdnk we we're quite possibly already are,going to now more e are going to see now more parents deciding, i know parents deciding, look, i know what's kid. more what's best for my kid. more power think power to it. i say, i think i think you should have the ultimate over how your child ultimate say over how your child is educated. why should the state that control state have all of that control other will hey, it's other people will say, hey, it's about regulations about rules and regulations and

teaching life. teaching them order in life. otherwise, chaos . and otherwise, it's just chaos. and i can't see that side of it as well. but for you well. but for those of you working people , this working with young people, this ties do you think that ties in. do you think that they're equipped work they're equipped to work alongside with different alongside people with different opinions because the channel 4 boss think so. speaking boss doesn't think so. speaking at television at the royal television society's cambridge convention, alex that gen z alex mahon says that gen z youngsters i think this is anyone born after the year 2000, by anyone born after the year 2000, by way, haven't got the by the way, haven't got the skills to discuss or disagree. she it a dangerous step she called it a dangerous step to change. but there we go. what's she blaming it on? she's blaming it on the pandemic. i'm blaming it on the pandemic. i'm blaming it on an absolute load of snowflakes, the likes of which often see which you quite often see hovering 4. hovering around channel 4. actually people actually cancelling people if they views that they don't have the views that they don't have the views that they people now they don't have the views that they aren't people now they don't have the views that they aren't they,yeople now they don't have the views that they aren't they, thate now they don't have the views that they aren't they, that they now told, aren't they, that they can't disagree can't possibly disagree at all. you've got to have some you've always got to have some kind of group think. is it a shock to anyone that we are raising a generation of complete and but you're and utter softies? but you're watching and listening to gb news. we be news. coming up, we will be discussing politicians discussing whether politicians should practise what they preach. shadow environment secretary reed one secretary steve reed isn't one of them. admitted to me he of them. he admitted to me he doesn't have an electric car, doesn't have an electric car, doesn't have an electric car, doesn't have heat and

doesn't have a heat pump, and he's plans to get one he's got no plans to get one anytime soon. are these just political eco hypocrites ? political eco hypocrites? patrick christys here on gb news get your views coming in thick and fast. vaiews@gbnews.com. when i come back, it's all about net zero hypocrisy. we are britain's news . net zero hypocrisy. we are britain's news. channel >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar the proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. hello i'm weather on. gb news. hello i'm alex burkill. >> here's your latest gb news weather update. we have further showers to come as we go through the next few days and these do bnng the next few days and these do bring some thunder, bring the risk of some thunder, but we're also going to have some chillier nights. at the moment heavily under moment we are heavily under the influence of low pressure sitting north of the sitting just to the north of the uk. this is bringing the blustery and showery blustery weather and showery with front. bring with this occluded front. bring the of the showers across the focus of the showers across parts scotland and northern parts of scotland and northern ireland through the end ireland as we go through the end of of these could of the day, some of these could be heavy. some heavy, be quite heavy. also some heavy, intense developing intense downpours developing across the english

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its 4:00 pm. >> it's patrick christys is gb news our our politics is complete and utter hypocrites when it comes to net zero. if they don't have an electric vehicle, they don't have a heat pump. frankly, why on earth should we listen to them? i'm also going to be asking this as well, though. yes indeed. one of the killers could well be the bulger killers could well be freed parole . can you believe freed on parole. can you believe that? realistically it's an absolute shocker. we'll be taking a look into that story. disgusting stuff. we're also going this going to be talking about this as how long is it okay to as well. how long is it okay to detain an an asylum seeker and illegal migrant, detain an an asylum seeker and illegal migrant , whatever you illegal migrant, whatever you want to call them, for other countries looking to pass laws want to call them, for other countrit'slooking to pass laws want to call them, for other countrit's okay|g to pass laws want to call them, for other countrit's okay to to pass laws want to call them, for other countrit's okay to detain laws want to call them, for other countrit's okay to detain them where it's okay to detain them longer, i can hear the clamour from rights brigade from the human rights brigade already i'll also be already from here. i'll also be discussing story as well. discussing this story as well. europe populist, apparently europe goes populist, apparently 1 in 3 europeans are now voting for populist parties. that for populist parties. would that make you more inclined to rejoin the european union if the

political makeup of it was potentially more aligned with your views ? and one final one your views? and one final one this hour as well. huge for the world of british media. rupert murdoch has stepped back from his current roles at fox and at news corp. what does all of this mean going forward? the man who changed the face of british media is gone. patrick christys . gb news. do you think our politicians are hypocrites when it comes to net zero? vaiews@gbnews.com. but right now it's your headlines with paul. now it's your headlines with paul . patrick. paul. patrick. >> thank you . the top stories >> thank you. the top stories this hour. the bank of england has left its interest rate unchanged at 5.25. our economics and business editor liam halligan john has the detail. >> we're a couple of hours on now, but at 12 noon today, the bank of england behind me, their monetary committee , did monetary policy committee, did make really important

make the really important decision to hold interest rates at 5.25. finally we finally, finally, after 41 successive rate rises from 0.1% at the end of 2001 , all the way up to 5.25. of 2001, all the way up to 5.25. the bank of england has finally decided enough is enough and inflation is now coming down and there's no need for now at least to raise rates any more. this will be a huge relief to young families with variable rate mortgages. it will be a huge relief to company ages with variable rate loans . it will be variable rate loans. it will be a huge relief to many consumers across the country who have been grappling with high energy bills i >> -- >> liam halligan outside the bank of england earlier on. well, the shadow chancellor, rachel reeves, says despite the bank's decision, britain's been left worse off under the conservatives . conservatives. >> i think there will be a sense of relief, particularly for those who are coming up to the end of their mortgage deals. but but let's look at where we are in the bigger picture because somebody's coming up to

remortgage their house today is looking at paying £220 more a month than they would have done if they had a remortgaged a year ago. so this is still a very challenging time for families and businesses with the cost of living crisis, which continues to bite . to bite. >> well, borrowers may start to feel the benefits of the bank of england's announcement shortly after they made their plans clear. nationwide the uk's biggest building society said it will be cutting the majority of its fixed rate mortgages. now the country's biggest building society , offering five and ten society, offering five and ten year fixed rates of below 5% for the first time. i'm sorry , i the first time. i'm sorry, i should say for first time buyers and for home movers , the prime and for home movers, the prime minister has said hard pressed families shouldn't have to pay an unaffordable price for the country to reach. net zero. shadow minister for industry and decarbonisation , sarah jones, decarbonisation, sarah jones, though, says the government's plan to roll back some climate

policies is the wrong decision . policies is the wrong decision. but rishi sunak says he won't proceed with plans that would punish motorists and working people . people. >> we've been through the numbers and we're absolutely confident that we are on track to hit all our international and domestic which by the domestic targets, which by the way, world leading and the way, are world leading and the reason i have confidence that reason i have confidence in that is overdelivered is because we've overdelivered on carbon budgets to on all of our carbon budgets to date, everyone saying , date, despite everyone saying, oh, you not hit them. oh, you might not hit them. we've delivered on them. we've over delivered on them. plus can see that the costs we've over delivered on them. pl|some can see that the costs we've over delivered on them. pl|some ca|these that the costs we've over delivered on them. pl|some ca|these newthe costs of some of these new technologies falling far technologies are falling far faster than people are predicted. a predicted. offshore wind is a great of that cost. great example of that cost. today, 70% less than we predicted in 2016. well, in other news today, the media mogul rupert murdoch is stepping down from his role as chairman of fox and news corporation in a note to staff, the 92 year old said that he and his companies are in robust health and that the battle for freedom of speech has never been more intense. >> he'll take on the role of chairman emeritus while his son lachlan becomes sole chairman of both companies. former soldier

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saying play gb news. this is britain's news. channel >> do you ever feel like there's climate hypocrisy from our political leaders ? i certainly political leaders? i certainly do. whether it's prime ministers or presidents taking private jets or driving around in gas guzzling armoured motorcades. there appears to be a do, as i say , not as i do approach. and say, not as i do approach. and that's before we've got started on celebrities like emma thompson jetting in from america to attend an extinction rebellion march or spending the summer super yacht, or summer on a super yacht, or prince harry's very own private jet. but more local level, i jet. but any more local level, i think if our politicians are going to force us to make huge, costly changes to our lives, they should lead the way and do it themselves . i was shocked it themselves. i was shocked yesterday when i spoke to labour's shadow environment secretary, steve reed, who was super critical of rishi sunak's announcement that he was going to slow down net zero enforcement to try to mitigate the cost of new electric vehicles and heat pumps for the poorest in society . so i asked poorest in society. so i asked mr reed if he had a heat pump in

his own home. here's what he said . do you have a heat pump? said. do you have a heat pump? >> no, i don't. i have a normal gas fuelled boiler. >> what are you going to heat pump when you get a heat pump? when we've got a labour government is going to invest in heat pumps cheaper than the alternative . alternative. >> okay . >> okay. >> okay. >> i then asked him if he had an electric vehicle. please tell me you've got an electric car . you've got an electric car. >> no, i haven't got an electric car. >> but if i buy a new one after 2030, i will know, you know, because this is this is policy thatis because this is this is policy that is set by a national government. >> you could do a national government put in the infrastructure feature so that we can move to this. >> all right. we've got six years before 20, 30 and the government way its own targets. >> i just find that absolutely ridiculous. i mean, it will cost people thousands and thousands of pounds to change to an electric vehicle to have their boiler replaced. and people boiler replaced. and most people are not on the nearly £90,000 a year that politicians rake

year that our politicians rake in, let alone the generous expenses scheme. all the money that they might earn from second jobs. if net zero is that unaffordable for people like him, for high earners. okay, then how do they expect the average joe to pay for it ? if average joe to pay for it? if they really thought that there was emergency? was a climate emergency? and this if they really this is crucial if they really believed that there was a climate emergency and we all had to pay up for the sake of this planet's future , wouldn't they planet's future, wouldn't they be doing everything that they could to mitigate their own carbon footprint? and if the excuse for not taking those steps in their lives is that the government hasn't subsidised it enough, which i think is what he was alluding to there then that means want the means that they want the taxpayer pay taxpayer to have to pay for their eco upgrade and their own eco upgrade and everybody else's well can we everybody else's as well. can we afford that as a nation ? look, afford that as a nation? look, whenever i see politicians pushing a rapid net zero agenda and they themselves haven't bothered to do what they want everybody else do, that everybody else to do, that indicates to me that they admit that it's too expensive. it's happening too quickly, and that

maybe we can, as a human race, afford to take things a little bit more slowly. there has been a lot of talk about britain no longer being world leading when it comes to fighting climate change. well, actually, we are largely through the measures that we've already taken and slowing down a little bit will just mean that we are coming into line with a of other into line with a lot of other comparable nations. but why should doreen in doncaster have to go bankrupt? so our political elites can stand on a stage with other global elites and pat themselves on the back ? themselves on the back? shouldn't the british electorate, british taxpayers, british citizens, british voters be the priority in all of this . be the priority in all of this. well, that's what i think i want to hear from you, gb views gbnews.com. we can go now to gb news political correspondent olivia utley who joins me from westminster to pick the westminster to pick through the ongoing political fallout of rishi sunak daring to say that we could slow down a little bit

when it comes to net zero. what's kind of backlash been ? >> well ?- >> well , ?— >> well , there 7 >> well , there has been quite >> well, there has been quite a backlash from rishi sunak's announcement yesterday . his announcement yesterday. his allies say that these are sensible , proportionate and sensible, proportionate and actually quite minor measures. the decision, for example, one of the bigger decisions that he made to push back the ban on petrol and diesel cars from 2030 to 2035 only brings us into line with the eu. so his allies are saying that this was what he had to do, this was essential and it's a it's just tinkering around the edges. his detractors say essentially that he has sold britain's future down the river. we heard some very stark words from zac goldsmith, from boris johnson , from chris skidmore, johnson, from chris skidmore, and a whole host of conservative mps , mainly in the who represent mps, mainly in the who represent the sort of south—east, south—west, more affluent constituencies who are very worried about their seats going over to the lib dems. so there has certainly been a backlash to what rishi sunak has had to say, and that's before you even get

to what labour's said. the boss of e.on, one of britain's biggest suppliers, biggest energy suppliers, has said is said that the uncertainty is really bad for british business, that said, there's been a pretty positive response to i've spoken to quite a lot of conservative mps who've been lining up to congratulate the prime minister to heap praise on the prime minister. certainly plenty of ministers within the cabinet who are very pleased to hear this and more importantly, patrick, the polling, the early polling at least is suggesting that the people at home are onside with this, too. according to a yougov poll that dropped last night, 53% of people think that rishi sunak made the right decision yesterday, compared with 34% who think it was a bad idea. now i think it was a bad idea. now i think we'll see a lot more . the think we'll see a lot more. the dust will settle over the coming days and we'll find more days and we'll find out more about the public thinks. about what the public thinks. but rishi sunak was hoping but if rishi sunak was hoping to draw line between draw a dividing line between himself labour and give himself and labour and give people a reason to vote, conservative lviv then perhaps he yesterday . he did that yesterday. >> oh, possibly. i've >> say, oh, quite possibly. i've been calling for some kind of referendum on net zero for a

long time. it looks like we might have some form of that long time. it looks like we mighandye some form of that long time. it looks like we mighandye soknow,'m of that long time. it looks like we mighandye so know, shock,�*|at now. and you know, shock, horror, appears a load horror, it appears that a load of are actually in favour of people are actually in favour of people are actually in favour of what rishi sunak to do. of what rishi sunak wants to do. olivia very much. of what rishi sunak wants to do. olivia rmt very much. of what rishi sunak wants to do. olivia rmt there.yery much. of what rishi sunak wants to do. olivia rmt there. gb much. of what rishi sunak wants to do. olivia rmt there. gb newsi. olivia rmt there. gb news political in political correspondent in westminster. but joining me now political correspondent in wyconservative ut joining me now political correspondent in wyconservative mpyining me now political correspondent in wyconservative mp for1g me now is conservative mp for wokingham. john redwood. wokingham. it's john redwood. john, much. some john, thank you very much. some of your colleagues have decided to with fury to what rishi to react with fury to what rishi sunak had to say. are they so stupid don't deserve stupid that they don't deserve re—election ? re—election? >> well, there are just a few and 1 or 2 of them appears, of course they're not stupid. >> they have a very different view to or mine. view to yours or mine. >> and agree with what you've >> and i agree with what you've just saying. the very just been saying. the very least, should who are least, people should do who are telling people how to live telling other people how to live is show they're doing is to show that they're doing it themselves works themselves and that it works well and speaks volumes when well and it speaks volumes when so many of these people are telling us to get an electric car and heat pump haven't telling us to get an electric car and themselves haven't telling us to get an electric car and themselves ,1aven't telling us to get an electric car and themselves , i'dzn't telling us to get an electric car and themselves , i'd be bothered themselves, i'd be making the case to them , um, making the case to them, um, that they're even wrong in their own terms because of course, if you or i go out and buy an you or i did go out and buy an electric car, we could afford electric car, if we could afford to and itin

to do so and plugged it in tonight , they would have to burn tonight, they would have to burn more gas in a power station to recharge so is that recharge it. so how is that helping on road to net zero, helping on the road to net zero, do think that rishi sunak do you think that rishi sunak has played a political blinder here and this will stand him in good stead at the next election? well, think it's helpful well, i think it's helpful because i think the concern of voters that have been playing hard to get or have been telling pollsters they don't like us very much at moment are very much at the moment are exactly kind of people who exactly the kind of people who do not want be lectured on do not want to be lectured on what can buy. and they what they can buy. and they certainly many of them don't have money go and buy have the money to go out and buy all things that the all these fancy things that the net zero enthusiasts are recommending . we've got time and recommending. we've got time and there needs to be better technology and there needs to be more affordable products . what more affordable products. what we want is great environmentally friendly products that people want to buy because they're better, they're cheaper. they do the job. people don't feel that in very large numbers about some of the products currently on offer . offer. >> there's no getting around the fact that it was conservative politicians who set a load of

punitive targets to begin with. why weren't you and others more vocal at the time then we wouldn't be in this situation now having to now where he's having to row back. have back. we would never have started roller coaster of started this roller coaster of misery begin with . misery to begin with. >> well, did argue against >> well, i did argue against them i didn't for the them and i didn't vote for the original legislation. so i think you're wrong you're picking on the wrong person if read person there. if you read john redwood dot com, you'll you'll find several years of dialogue on there explaining how some of these targets are unrealistic and how quite few of the and how quite a few of the policies are damaging to britain. whilst also increasing world co2 and i've been trying to stop those policies. that's why pleased with the why i'm pleased with the moderate changes that prime moderate changes that the prime minister offered us yesterday. thatis minister offered us yesterday. that is progress. i'd be making the case very strongly that there is no point in us cancelling all our industry and pulling out of all the high energy using things . if we energy using things. if we import products from countries that are doing exactly the same and then generating more co2 to bnng and then generating more co2 to bring them halfway around the world in diesel guzzling ships.

>> do you think there's a case to be said, forjohn, it almost being like two different ways of looking at the world, right? so people saying that our international obligations and the we're viewed on the the way that we're viewed on the world quote world stage and being quote unquote world leader setting unquote world leader and setting example is the most important thing saying, well, thing. and people saying, well, actually , know, people actually, you know, people living in, you know, just above the poverty line, for example, in like doncaster or in places like doncaster or wherever . and actually wherever. and actually they should most important should be the most important thing. and that's who the government be protecting i >> -- >> well, you can make that division. i think you can do both, because i don't actually believe leading to believe it's world leading to cripple and to cripple your own economy and to increase world co2 by adopting foolish policies . and i don't foolish policies. and i don't think get any credit for think we get any credit for doing that . i think the two are doing that. i think the two are actually combined and that if you do the right thing for the person in doncaster who doesn't want electric car and can't want an electric car and can't afford the right afford one and you do the right thing by the world economy, the answer is the same. do not adopt policies which mean more world c02 policies which mean more world co2 output and crippled uk

industry . industry. >> do you think that net zero as a whole is just folly . a whole is just folly. >> i haven't been making that case because i understand the pressures for this movement and i understand the science that climate clearly does change. and i understand that there are gases.i gases. i understand greenhouse gases. i understand that this is a very strong movement to do something about it. i'm just saying , given movement to do something about it. i'm just saying, given that, let's do it in practical and sensible ways, by all means , sensible ways, by all means, let's have green jobs. but they must be green jobs in britain, not in china . must be green jobs in britain, not in china. by all must be green jobs in britain, not in china . by all means, not in china. by all means, let's have new products that are more environmentally friendly , more environmentally friendly, but they've got to be affordable and genuinely co2 . and genuinely cut co2. >> do you think people who say things like, well, most poor people don't drive cars anyway, so it won't affect them , need to so it won't affect them, need to get out more ? get out more? >> well, i think that would be a scandalous thing to say. and i'm in politics because i want the people i represent be more people i represent to be more prosperous and to enjoy what were the luxuries of the rich a few years ago because they become affordable in most of my

lifetime. has been lifetime. that has been happening. people can now afford televisions cars and phones televisions and cars and phones and so forth, which previous generations did not enjoy. so we don't want to go back. woods we want to make sure we're opening up more opportunities. want to make sure we're opening up more opportunities . and this up more opportunities. and this green technology drive has also got to take into account affordability and practicality. and then it would be great. >> it's also got to take into account quality of the product as well. and i mean, shouldn't the markets decide things if people electric people want to get an electric vehicle shouldn't vehicle there shouldn't be forced they forced into getting one. they should be able to get one after having that they having made a decision that they think that is the better product than the petrol or the diesel number offer. number that is also on offer. no? well that's my case. no? yeah. well that's my case. >> markets work very well because are people and because markets are people and i'm not the business of i'm not in the business of lecturing my electors on what they should buy and how they should lead their lives. that isn't i think my job, i'm there to help facilitate with laws and lower taxes so that they can do more for themselves and have a better life . better life. >> yeah, it's on that point >> yeah, and it's on that point as well. do think that

as well. do you think that actually lowering taxes , maybe actually lowering taxes, maybe just giving business the opportunity to flourish, we would actually solve stand a better chance of solving the quotes and quotes climate better chance of solving the quotes and that :es climate better chance of solving the quotes and that waylimate better chance of solving the quotes and that way than e better chance of solving the quotes and that way than we would emergency that way than we would by the government just subsidising everything that by the government just subsidit0|g everything that by the government just subsidito mind rything that by the government just subsidito mind that's] that by the government just subsidito mind that's gotit comes to mind that's got the word green of it and word green in front of it and hoping that one of them actually sticks of course it would >> well, of course it would work much better. that's way much better. that's the way we've solved the problems we've always solved the problems in that's how in the past, and that's how people in people have got a lot richer in the free enterprise the more free enterprise societies. we've had a great experiment since the second world where some countries world war where some countries adopted communism and state down control they ended a lot control and they ended up a lot poorer that poorer than the countries that had free enterprise. i had more free enterprise. i don't want to see all those advances reversed by the state interfering clumsily, making people buy things that aren't any good and having to subsidise companies and people to do so. that will impoverish us. >> why aren't there more, john? why aren't there more of you in the conservative party ? you the conservative party? you know, why aren't there more of you? here and you? and you've come on here and i am aware of your website, by the i asked the kind of

the way, i asked the kind of deliberately leading question there, things that there, but you say things that conservative politicians i would expect be saying, expect kind of should be saying, because your ideology and because that's your ideology and who there because that's your ideology and who of there because that's your ideology and who of you? there because that's your ideology and who of you? why there more of you? why >> well, i trust there are i think there are plenty of conservative voters out there. >> i think sunak will >> and i think rishi sunak will find he becomes more find that he becomes more popular says more popular if he says more conservative things. and i've been urging do that. and been urging him to do that. and this a good week far as this is a good week as far as i'm because things i'm concerned, because things that for some that i've been arguing for some time are now conservative policy . about it. . so i'm very pleased about it. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. but doubly week but it's also a doubly good week and on this, john, and just lastly on this, john, i can't believe that keir starmer has started talking about things that arguably he should have just left alone. mean , he's just left alone. i mean, he's nice of him to do because now we absolutely he feels absolutely know how he feels about to with about certain things to do with the votes for the european union and votes for kids that stuff. kids and all of that stuff. whereas were whereas before we were just guessing it. do you think guessing at it. do you think this has been a big this has actually been a big turning british turning point for british politics, particular week politics, this particular week we see rishi sunak we started to see rishi sunak doing that maybe more doing things that maybe are more ideologically and ideologically conservative and keir starmer revealing his true colours . colours. >> yeah, could be. and i'm >> yeah, it could be. and i'm obviously hoping it will be because think a labour

because i think a labour government would be disastrous and that people and all the things that people don't like about the conservative government, you'd get and trebled under get doubled and trebled under labour because they always support that annoy support the things that annoy people most where we're now going is a conservative party that says people can make more of their own decisions and free enterprise will provide more of the answers to the environmental problems. and i say three cheers to right. to that. all right. >> very lastly, john, can >> very, very lastly, john, can you envisage a world where you ever envisage a world where you're electric car ? you're driving an electric car? >> could be, but i haven't bought one yet and i still like the 700 mile range on my diesel i >> -- >> okay, john, thank you very much. john redwood now conservative mp for wokingham. what do you make of that? gb views and gb news dot com. get those views coming in thick and fast. but you are of course watching listening watching and listening to gb news out rage as child news coming up out rage as child killer jon venables could be free from prison by the end of the year. yes he's been granted a parole hearing in november. patrick christys gb news britain's news .

>> britain's news . >> britain's news. channel >> britain's news. channel >> welcome back. you're watching and listening to me. patrick christys on gb news lows to bnng christys on gb news lows to bring you between now and six. but first, we start with this child venables child killer. jon venables could be free from prison by the end of the year after being granted a hearing in november. a parole hearing in november. venables and of course robert thompson as well, were both ten years they kidnapped

years old when they kidnapped and two year old james and murdered two year old james bulger in merseyside 30 years ago. both men were released , but ago. both men were released, but venables has been sent back to prison possessing prison twice for possessing child abuse images. so could he really be freed ? let's speak now really be freed? let's speak now to barrister chris daw, who says, i believe that venables , says, i believe that venables, of course, has a right to apply for parole. chris yeah, thank you very much on it. you can see how might think it would how people might think it would be incredibly risky to allow a child murderer and somebody who's been sent back to prison twice for possessing paedophilic images to be considered for images to ever be considered for parole . parole. >> of course i can see how that's the sort of broad public sentiment it always is . sentiment it always is. >> it always is in respect of almost anyone who's up for parole, who's committed any murder. >> there will be a group of people , often those who have people, often those who have been most tragically affected by the murder, such as family members , which is completely understandable. >> of course , but also wider >> of course, but also wider commentary on social media and members of the public is very much against granting people

parole. as a matter of just bafic parole. as a matter of just basic principle , i totally basic principle, i totally understand that . but we have a understand that. but we have a parole system which is intended to assess only one thing, and thatis to assess only one thing, and that is whether the person who's applying for parole represents a risk to the public. if the parole board, having considered a huge amount of evidence from psychiatrists, the prison officers from the prisoner themselves who will be closely questioned over over possibly several days if the parole board concludes that he no longer represents a risk to the public, then they'll order his release , then they'll order his release, which of course, is also subject to scrutiny by a judge. it can be referred for an appeal by the or by the justice secretary or and there are any number of other legal challenges to someone being released on parole . but ultimately, the parole board's to assess risk. board's job is to assess risk. and what going and that's what they're going to do a period of 3 days do over a period of 2 or 3 days next month. >> there quite a few >> yeah, there were quite a few people time who thought people at the time who thought that they were too young to have even been given prison

sentences. where are you on that ? >> well, they're 7 >> well, they're not ? >> well, they're not they're 7 >> well, they're not they're not it's not just at the time, but now the age of criminal responsibility in the united kingdom or in england , i should kingdom or in england, i should say, is ten, ten years of age. >> that's one of the lowest ages of criminal responsibility in the entire world. there are many countries where even saudi arabia, for example, don't prosecute children under 14, and that's not a country. >> so you don't think he should have sent to at all? chris >> no, not at all. >> no, not at all. >> absolutely not. >> absolutely not. >> don't murder ten year old child. >> should never i don't think any ten year old child should ever be treated like an adult. >> and in fact, the sight of those ten year old boys being paraded in an adult crown court with all the wigs and the gowns with all the wigs and the gowns with absolutely no idea what's going on, no understanding of the process . the process. >> i mean, it's deeply inhumane way to treat any child, whatever they've done . they've done. >> oh, grief, chris. yeah, i mean , i mean, i kind of would mean, i mean, i kind of would maybe more broadly understand

your point if it wasn't deeply inhumane what they did to james bulger. i mean, do you not think that's quite a distaste that's it's quite a distaste full thing to say that ? full thing to say that? >> well, that prosecuting young children who have no understanding of people who murdered james bulger, kidnapped and him way that and murdered him in the way that they you appear to they did, you appear to have some sympathy them going some sympathy for them going through a court process. i it's not i sympathy for not that i have sympathy for them individuals. it'sjust them as individuals. it's just that fundamentally that i fundamentally disagree with that children have with the idea that children have the t to understand the capability t to understand what they're doing criminally. i mean, if you just take a really obvious example, we don't let ten year olds drive cars. we don't let ten year olds vote. why is that? because they're not mature enough. >> they're mature to >> they're not mature enough to understand they're doing . understand what they're doing. >> can't, you know, do >> and they can't, you know, do things olds or things that 18 year olds or adults do . adults can do. >> but somehow expect them to >> but somehow we expect them to be understand >> but somehow we expect them to be respect understand >> but somehow we expect them to be respect the understand >> but somehow we expect them to be respect the criminalierstand >> but somehow we expect them to be respect the criminal law.and and respect the criminal law. >> sorry, just to respect with respect. i think the point is that they did do something that adults can do. they killed a toddler. they did that right. and on a railroad and they left him on a railroad track tortured and

track after they tortured and abused know , that abused him. and, you know, that was did. so they did was what they did. so they did those crimes. and surely they have sentenced mean, have to be sentenced for i mean, what would you what would you have with them? just let have done with them? just let them back out into school? >> of course not. that's >> oh, no, of course not. that's just ridiculous. just utterly ridiculous. >> would have done >> what i would have done with them i would have ensured them is i would have ensured that of all, that that that, first of all, that the important thing the most important thing is that the most important thing is that the public protected. the public were protected. and that course, they that would mean, of course, they would to have housed that would mean, of course, they wca.d to have housed that would mean, of course, they wca secure to have housed that would mean, of course, they wca secure environment housed that would mean, of course, they wca secure environment andrsed that would mean, of course, they wca secure environment and not in a secure environment and not allowed walk the streets allowed to just walk the streets until been a long until there had been a long penod until there had been a long period of assessment, educational therapeutic educational and therapeutic support and a whole range of other measures to see whether in fact, at some point they could properly be released into society. but what i wouldn't have done is treated them in the criminal justice system as if they were adults . it's one they were adults. it's one thing. it's one thing to look after the public and protect the public. it's quite a different thing to treat children in the same way as you do adults. >> so if a parole board and it is a big if, have to wait is a big if, we'll have to wait and decide that and see, decide that that john venables, murderer of james venables, the murderer of james bulger, two times convicted for

child, is okay for release by christmas , you would you would christmas, you would you would back that decision because you would be confident that due process has been adhered to there and that that must be the right decision. >> well, i back the process, whether it's the right decision or not, have to be part of or not, i'd have to be part of the parole board. i'd to the parole board. i'd have to see the evidence. see all of the evidence. i wouldn't able to comment wouldn't be able to comment on that. all i can say is i agree with the process of parole. otherwise, and all otherwise, all murderers and all convicted remain otherwise, all murderers and all co prison remain otherwise, all murderers and all co prison forever. remain otherwise, all murderers and all co prison forever. of remain in prison forever. and of course, that course, some people think that would idea. i just would be a good idea. ijust disagree we'd disagree because we'd end up with million people in with half a million people in prison country as much prison in this country as much as they have 2.5 million people in prison united states. as they have 2.5 million people in pithat's united states. as they have 2.5 million people in pithat's not united states. as they have 2.5 million people in pithat's not ajnited states. as they have 2.5 million people in pithat's not a societystates. as they have 2.5 million people in pithat's not a society that;. as they have 2.5 million people in pithat's not a society that i and that's not a society that i want to live in. and it's certainly not society where we certainly not a society where we potentially have thousands potentially would have thousands and of ten year olds and thousands of ten year olds locked prison being locked up in prison and being treated crime treated exactly as if the crime they'd committed had taken place when grown up. when they were grown up. >> well interesting, >> chris well, interesting, fascinating . i'm not fascinating discussion. i'm not sure you and i are ever going to agree on this, but it's good to have at least. chris have the chat at least. chris doyle who of course, was doyle there, who of course, was

just there to news just reacting there to the news anyway, venables could anyway, that jon venables could well christmas. i'm well be out by christmas. i'm not likely is, but not sure how likely that is, but just that he's been just the fact that he's been granted parole granted a two day parole hearing, think interesting. hearing, i think is interesting. but inquiry but look, coming up, an inquiry says time limit of 28 says that a time limit of 28 days will be imposed people days will be imposed for people held uk. immigration held in the uk. immigration removal centres. so basically, look how long is it okay to detain an illegal migrant? that's the question really is our hotel bill soared to £8 million a day. should we be allowed to detain them indefinitely? but right now it's your headlines with polly . patrick >> patrick, thank you. the top story this hour, the bank of england has left its interest rate unchanged at 5.25. that follows yesterday's better than expected inflation data. the bank's governor andrew bailey, has welcomed the news, saying he thinks inflation will continue to fall while the prime minister says hard pressed families shouldn't have to pay an unaffordable price to reach net

zero. rishi sunak is defending his decision to roll back on some climate policies, saying he won't proceed with plans that would punish motorists and working people . and the media working people. and the media mogul rupert murdoch is stepping down from his role as chairman of fox and news corporation. the 92 year old said that he and his companies are in robust health and that the battle for the freedom of speech has never been more intense. his son, lachlan becomes sole chairman of both companies. those are your latest news headlines. more on all of them by heading to our website abcnews.com . a brighter outlook abcnews.com. a brighter outlook with boxt solar >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello, i'm alex burkill. here's your latest. gb news weather update. we have further showers to come as we go through the next few days and these do

bnng the next few days and these do bring the risk of some thunder, but we're also going to have some chillier nights. at the moment heavily under the moment we are heavily under the influence pressure influence of low pressure sitting north the sitting just to the north of the uk. the uk. this is bringing the blustery weather showery blustery weather and showery with occluded front, with this occluded front, bringing focus the bringing the focus of the showers parts scotland showers across parts of scotland and northern ireland. we go and northern ireland. as we go through day, through the end of the day, some of could quite heavy. of these could be quite heavy. also heavy, intense also some heavy, intense downpours developing across parts english channel. parts of the english channel. and these could reach some coastal parts in the south—east across more central eastern parts of england. we're going to have skies. could have some clear skies. could turn quite chilly here and some pockets and fog are pockets of mist and fog are likely through likely as we go through the early of friday, early hours of friday, friday, then to a bright then getting off to a bright sunny across parts sunny start across many parts of england, showers england, but plenty of showers across the north—west and western of wales and a western parts of wales and a cloudier shower picture across parts of scotland and northern ireland. the cloud is going to bubble england. so bubble up across england. so turning cloudy go turning a bit cloudy as we go into the afternoon with a scattering of showers developing, some developing, though, notice some bright developing across bright skies developing across parts of scotland and northern ireland. temperatures may be down or two compared to down a degree or two compared to today highs 18 today with highs around 18 celsius staying windy across

parts orkney and shetland. parts of orkney and shetland. later friday, a ridge of high pressure will build from the pressure will build in from the west. going to quieten west. so that's going to quieten down weather somewhat, down our weather somewhat, taking into a chilly night down our weather somewhat, taking nightto a chilly night down our weather somewhat, taking night into chilly night down our weather somewhat, taking night into saturday, it friday night into saturday, saturday itself then should be a largely fine and if not largely fine and bright, if not sunny day for some. but the rain returning in time for by returning in time for sunday by by a brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . on. gb news so they already can't be sent to rwanda. >> they can't be held on a barge. and now an inquiry says that a time limit of 28 days should be imposed for people held in uk immigration removal centres. well the findings come after an investigation into the brookhouse immigration removal centre near gatwick airport, which found detainees were held in quotes. prison like conditions and was a toxic conditions and there was a toxic culture amongst staff. okay human rights lawyer shoaib khan

joins me now, a regular fan favourite here at gb news look show. thank you very much. so 28 days sounds about right. if we were able to deport people , were able to deport people, frankly, if people like you didn't keep going into bat for them. so what do we do with them if we if we can't keep them for any longer than days? any longer than 28 days? >> to what other >> i'm just to what other countries just do what a countries do, just do what a humane society would do. mean, humane society would do. i mean, if where they are and if we know where they are and we're able keep eye on we're able to keep an eye on them we use electronic them and we use electronic tagging, have in tagging, we have people in hotels. we not hotels. i mean, how do we not know are? the point know where they are? the point is, why do we need to keep them in prison? also, mean, in prison? and also, i mean, like, you and you like, you know, and like you use the previously, their the language previously, their immigration centres immigration removal centres technically, , they're technically, legally, they're supposed to used only when supposed to be used only when someone, to be someone, someone is about to be removed from the uk, then the home office. okay you know, while facilitating while we're facilitating arranging removal, let's bring him let's him locked up. >> so. so you were just to clarify, shoaib, so you would you it's a good idea for you think it's a good idea for us to someone who's us to have someone who's potentially going to be scheduled for removal this scheduled for removal from this country to be let out and just

put a tag on them? and then we keep tabs on them and then we have to go and find them as and when we decide that are when we decide that we are actually remove actually going to remove them, you any with you can't see any problems with that whatsoever? >> know. depends what >> i don't know. it depends what you about to you mean by we're about to remove what we is remove them. if what we mean is we them tickets, we know we bought them tickets, we know when is. we're you when the flight is. we're you know, have some process in know, we have some process in place happening within place and it's happening within a and which is why 28 a few days. and which is why 28 days, within days, if it's happening within a month, fine. if what month, then it's fine. if what we're no idea we're saying is we have no idea where person from, to where this person is from, we to send him to how send him. do we even have some sort returns even have some sort of returns agreement country? are agreement with that country? are there going that there any flights going to that country just well, country and we just say, well, on the chance that one day country and we just say, well, ona1e chance that one day country and we just say, well, ona few chance that one day country and we just say, well, ona few years 1ce that one day country and we just say, well, ona few years we'll at one day country and we just say, well, ona few years we'll be me day country and we just say, well, ona few years we'll be able ay country and we just say, well, ona few years we'll be able to in a few years we'll be able to remove all right, let's remove him. all right, let's just locked then. just keep him locked out then. of agree with that. >> okay. let me yeah, let me rephrase then. so if we do have this where don't this situation where we don't know somebody we know where somebody is from, we don't who they are. don't really know who they are. we deport we don't know if we can deport them anywhere. they are in them anywhere. and they are in this country in your view, then what should we do them ? what should we do with them? >> what again, what other

countries do and what we used to do and what we still do in many cases, you find out you have family you can stay with. do you have friends can and live have friends you can go and live with? able to support with? are you able to support yourself ? if not, then yourself yourself? if not, then fine. you fine. we can find you accommodation, go and live. the point need to give accommodation, go and live. the point in need to give accommodation, go and live. the point in prison need to give accommodation, go and live. the point in prison andzed to give accommodation, go and live. the point in prison and detention; them in prison and detention centres this found. centres as this inquiry found. >> that's interesting way of >> that's an interesting way of looking though. shoaib >> that's an interesting way of looking thatthough. shoaib >> that's an interesting way of looking that i|ough. shoaib >> that's an interesting way of looking that i mean, shoaib >> that's an interesting way of looking that i mean, correct me because that i mean, correct me if wrong here, but what i if i'm wrong here, but what i think is that think you've just said is that if arrives in this if somebody arrives in this country illegally and they won't tell us who they where tell us who they are or where they're as a human they're from, you as a human rights them, rights lawyer would say to them, have any relatives? can have you got any relatives? can you yourself? the you support yourself? and if the answer is answer to those things is no, then to pay for them to then you want to pay for them to stay in the country anyway. do you not think that's a bit ridiculous? >> well, we paying for them >> well, we are paying for them in they we're paying in detention. they we're paying much if they much more than we would if they were society. allow them were out in society. allow them to is the first thing. to work is the first thing. illegal immigrant solution no one but secondly one ever supports. but secondly , is, i mean, you , the point is, i mean, you know, we just find them a hotel that's still cheaper than detention. pay up tens of detention. we pay up to tens of thousands person we thousands for each person we keep detention. keep in detention. it's like a prison. security we're prison. the security we're

paying prison. the security we're paying for the facilities there, food, like prison? >> show it i mean. i mean, shouldn't like a prison if shouldn't it be like a prison if you into country? mean you break into a country? i mean , if someone if someone if someone if came home one someone if you came home one day. and there day. right. and there was someone you'd met someone who you'd never met before couch and before sitting on your couch and you you? and they you said, who are you? and they said, going tell you. said, i'm not going to tell you. and where are you and you said, where are you from? and they said, i'm not to going you. would you not going tell you. would you not want up and want the police to turn up and detain them? >> i wouldn't police to >> i wouldn't want the police to detain no, i wouldn't want detain them. no, i wouldn't want the because police is the police because the police is the police because the police is the charge. the police the one in charge. the police comes out they comes and finds out who they are. might mental are. they might have mental health have health problems. they might have other vulnerabilities. have health problems. they might have otridearlnerabilities. have health problems. they might have otridearlnerabilitiare. have health problems. they might have otridearlnerabilitiare. and ave health problems. they might have otridearlnerabilitiare. and that's no idea who they are. and that's the problem. our first instinct lock them up. they must be a criminal. a terrible criminal. that's a terrible point of view. and we have no idea they secondly, idea who they are. but secondly, we people are in we know who these people are in that know they that generally we know who they are. if what he says is, i live two streets away, i don't know. you my house is fire or you but my house is on fire or someone's broken my house. someone's broken into my house. i life. yes, i need to save my life. and yes, i need to save my life. and yes, i mean, call the police for i mean, i'd call the police for their my their protection and for my protection. i wouldn't want them locked and exactly locked up. and that's exactly what are. even when locked up. and that's exactly what don't are. even when locked up. and that's exactly whatdon't have are. even when locked up. and that's exactly what don't have evidence len when locked up. and that's exactly what don't have evidence t01 when

they don't have evidence to prove who they are because of how they escaped, how many ukrainians when ukrainians had their ids when they turned up, how many afghanis they turned up, how many afg well, actually, a lot. >> well, actually, quite a lot. yeah a lot. but yeah but. but quite a lot. but quite ukrainians, quite a lot of ukrainians, because coming here because they were coming here legally. you you do know legally. i mean, you you do know shoaib. you absolutely do know that deliberately not that people are deliberately not telling us they're from telling us where they're from and it's not just and who they are. it's not just the method of they've the method of how they've escaped. right. that's yes. >> know, so afghanis >> you know, so many afghanis don't because we know don't tell us because we know what's in afghanistan. don't tell us because we know whaif; in afghanistan. don't tell us because we know whaif you in afghanistan. don't tell us because we know whaif you tell in afghanistan. don't tell us because we know whaif you tell us in afghanistan. don't tell us because we know whaif you tell us where hanistan. don't tell us because we know whaif you tell us where they're]. but if you tell us where they're from, them back from, we'll just fly them back to and to the to afghanistan and to the taliban. and we know that they're there. they're in danger there. and that's tell us. that's why they won't tell us. so take our time trying so fine, we take our time trying to find they're from to find out where they're from and who they are. and in the meantime, try find a way meantime, they try to find a way to here. to live here. >> so just clarify, to >> so just to clarify, to summarise. you a human >> so just to clarify, to summ lawyer you a human >> so just to clarify, to summ lawyer saying a human >> so just to clarify, to summ lawyer saying a iifnan rights lawyer are saying that if you think in your view, if somebody britain somebody enters britain illegally, allow them illegally, we should allow them to and maybe pay to work and live and maybe pay for their accommodation. and if somebody broke your house, somebody broke into your house, you wouldn't want them locked up for that, not locked up. >> definitely not locked up without knowing who they are. if i know they're here harm me, i know they're here to harm me, if they're stealing something,

attacking it, then if they're stealing something, atta> don't we have to lock them up and to find that >> don't we have to lock them up and shall to find that >> don't we have to lock them up and shall we? to find that out? shall we? >> well, 28 days is more than enough. >> well, 28 days is more than enough . how? we're the only enough. how? we're the only country europe to have country in europe to have indefinite long term immigration there. no limit . i there. there's no time limit. i have acted where people have been up years. been locked up for years. i mean, how years do we need mean, how many years do we need to where they're from? to find out where they're from? and if after three years someone's telling then and if after three years someowe're telling then and if after three years someowe're justelling then and if after three years someowe're just going then what? we're just going to keep them forever? mean, them locked up forever? i mean, i just it's a senseless i just think it's a senseless waste of money. >> all right. it's an >> okay. all right. it's an interesting view. i'm sure interesting view. i'm not sure how it will be with our how popular it will be with our viewers. you know, viewers. but, hey, you know, there we go. so thank very there we go. so thank you very much, there is a much, shoaib khan. there is a human lawyer. yeah. okay. human rights lawyer. yeah. okay. coming analysis by than coming up, analysis by more than 100 political scientists across 31 countries has found that a third european voters now third of european voters now vote for anti—establishment, populist parties. we will head to france in just a moment. oh, yes. and also, i will be chatting about the fact that rupert murdoch is no longer going continuing in his going to be continuing in his job fox or news corp. and job at fox or news corp. and what does that mean in the words of man who knows him better

of a man who knows him better than most people? patrick christys britain's

sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news. >> okay, so analysis by more than 100 political scientists across 31 countries. so you know it's good has found that a third of european voters now vote for anti—establishment, populist parties. the research also found that about half of anti—establishment voters support far right parties. and this is the vote share that is

increasing most rapidly. so basically, is europe going quotes and quotes far right. i suppose the other question will be what does far right mean? but anyway, one of most anyway, one of the most prominent this sharp prominent examples of this sharp rise was in italy, where populist parties scored a whopping 58% of the vote in the 2022 election, and fratelli d'italia, giorgia meloni became the country's prime minister look, let's discuss this further with paris based journalist david chazan . david, thank you david chazan. david, thank you very much. great to have you on the show. should this should this be concern europe is this be a concern that europe is going populist or do you actually think it will it actually think it will make it more that rejoins ? >> well, 7 >> well, that's an interesting take on it . i >> well, that's an interesting take on it. i think it is certainly very interesting that the hard right, certainly very interesting that the hard right , the populist the hard right, the populist right, the radical right, whatever you want to call them , whatever you want to call them, are certainly gaining support across europe. they're already in government, not just in italy , but in hungary and poland. in government, not just in italy , but in hungary and poland . and , but in hungary and poland. and according to a recent study, 15 of the eu's 27 member countries

have hard right parties with 20% support or more. and mean in france , the national rally, led france, the national rally, led by marine le pen, used to be seen as a fringe group . it's had seen as a fringe group. it's had a leader who been convicted of hate speech and submissive remarks and denying the holocaust, which is an offence in france. then he handed over the leadership to marine le pen. she set about broadening the party's appeal, detoxifying and demonising its image , and she's demonising its image, and she's had a lot of success. so many french voters who would never have considered voting for her party in the past but are now thinking about doing so. perhaps surprisingly, many are working class voters who used to vote left . but there are also left. but there are also educated middle class people turning to the hard right because they've lost faith in the centre. the traditional

mainstream parties ability to deliver solutions to things like the cost of living crisis and immigration. a big issue , immigration. a big issue, obviously, for the far right . obviously, for the far right. >> i've got to be honest with you, david, i can see genuinely a future , whether it's in a few a future, whether it's in a few years time or 15 years time, where the political makeup of the european union is actually centre right because of those issues that you've just raised there. when it comes to things like cost of living, when it comes to things like culture or immigration, both legal and illegal. i think that would illegal. and i think that would be fascinating point be a fascinating turning point as or not then as to whether or not then britain and brits have a conversation about about rejoining. look, david, unfortunately , you've got unfortunately, you've got a little bit of an issue with your microphone, right, which is probably not yours, afraid. probably not yours, i'm afraid. so leave it there so we're going to leave it there with david chazan. thank you very he's a paris based very much. he's a paris based journalist, thank very journalist, but thank you very much. year old much. now look, 92 year old rupert murdoch has announced that down the that he's stepping down as the chairman of newscorp, parent chairman of newscorp, the parent company sun. the times, company for the sun. the times, fox corporation, well. after fox corporation, as well. after

building one of the most influential media empires over his 70 year career, murdoch will, however, take up the role as chairman emeritus of both companies. while his lachlan companies. while his son lachlan will become sole chairman of news corp and continue as executive chairman and chief executive chairman and chief exec fox. look let's get the exec of fox. look let's get the reaction now from the former editor of the sun, a man who knows this guy better than most. it's mackenzie. it's kelvin mackenzie. kelvin, thank what thank you very, very much. what does do you think? does this mean, do you think? what what are you what are you what are you thinking when you see that rupert is going? rupert murdoch is going? >> all, i'm >> well, first of all, i'm surprised. and since he said to me you would have to carry me that you would have to carry him his boots on and he him out with his boots on and he would never quit . so i take it would never quit. so i take it that he accepts one important area . area. >> have you got some feedback on it? no no. >> just carry on, kelvin. it's all good, i think. yeah, carry on. >> he accepts that he actually is detached from where the media is detached from where the media is today . you know, the big is today. you know, the big ideas are his big ideas. 30, 40 years ago, 20 years ago with fox

news . since then it hasn't been news. since then it hasn't been right. obviously newspapers in the old sense of print that's come to an end and things like for instance, your competitor talktv has been an absolute disaster times radio, a disaster. the sun as it's made the transition from print to digital very difficult . i the transition from print to digital very difficult. i mean, the sun in my day was making like 2 or 300 million a year and then along came everybody and said, well, we like social media, but we don't like print. and then suddenly it was losing 20 or 50 or 100 million a year. so these are difficult times. look, personally, he's hired me. he's fired me. he's invested in stuff. he's he's ditched me. honestly he is a great, great man. and the media will never see the like of him again because that kind of buccaneering spirit is now owned by social. you're going to learn a lot more on twitter and tiktok than you are necessarily in the

sun for a couple of your your best moments with rupert, you said he's hired and fired you. >> i mean, you've had some fruity moments, haven't you? >> have had some fruity >> we have had some fruity moments . i >> we have had some fruity moments. i remember him. i remember used to he remember him. he used to he seemed to quite enjoy shouting at some some kind of at me some some kind of addiction he had. i don't know, giving me a going over. and i remember once i was sitting actually , martin, who went on to actually, martin, who went on to new york and he was shouting at me phone and stuck in the drawer of my desk. and then walked round the desk and when i took the phone out, he was still shouting at me . shouting at me. >> right. okay. i mean, yeah , he >> right. okay. i mean, yeah, he must have been a hard taskmaster, wasn't he? i suppose . really? and he was. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> honestly, great thing was >> honestly, the great thing was that he was as interested in what you did and your success because your success was his success. one thing where he and i parted company. i do not agree with him about this is he pushed

everybody on to get bigger stories, better stories because better stories meant better sales. better sales meant better advertising. better advertising meant better profit. the one issue where i where i didn't like him was that he wanted you to do all these things . and so, to do all these things. and so, you know, people were being paid prison officers, police officers, fire officers, whoever was being paid to get stories which were trying to stop. but immediately the authority came and knocked at the door. he handed over the emails and said to 25, innocent, yes, innocent by the courts. some journalists facing years of their life in the crown court in london, they were all cleared that is the stain on him. and he has avoided his responsibilities on that . his responsibilities on that. >> right. gosh. well, we'll be interesting to see what rupert murdoch makes of that. of course . but where do you think this leaves landscape now? leaves the media landscape now? what expecting to see? what are you expecting to see? and , how do you think and also, look, how do you think this because you this has happened? because you said to you that he said he said to you that he wasn't going out unless wasn't going to come out unless they dragging out by

they were dragging him out by his i mean, something's changed. well, imagine he's accepted >> well, i imagine he's accepted that that the media has that 92, that the media has changed and that he that the ideas that he has are not cemented with the ideas that the pubuc cemented with the ideas that the public are buying and that profitability is being affected. look, fox news has been a fantastic idea for a fantastic idea . and rupert has run with idea. and rupert has run with it. and it's created huge revenue . without fox news, there revenue. without fox news, there would be there would almost certainly be no news corporation. i mean, fox news makes 3 to 4 billion a year now. >> it's going to be a really , >> it's going to be a really, really interesting thing to see what happens going forward now. and look, calvin, thank you very, very much. i do particularly image particularly enjoy that image of you a phone in a desk and you having a phone in a desk and walking it whilst rupert you having a phone in a desk and w¢continually it whilst rupert you having a phone in a desk and w¢continually shouting;t rupert you having a phone in a desk and w¢continually shouting attupert you having a phone in a desk and w¢continually shouting at yourt you having a phone in a desk and wait. tinually shouting at yourt you having a phone in a desk and wait. it's ally shouting at yourt you having a phone in a desk and wait. it's kelvin outing at yourt you having a phone in a desk and wait. it's kelvin mackenzie.»urt on it. it's kelvin mackenzie. there and been there who's been hired and been fired by rupert murdoch's not the only one, of course, though , there we are. former , but there we are. former editor okay editor of the sun. right. okay it's yet another gaffe from joe

biden. yes. this week, the us president appeared to have a collision with the brazilian flag . let's talk about head on flag. let's talk about head on diplomacy . hey, as if that diplomacy. hey, as if that wasn't bad enough, biden then appeared to forget that he was sharing the stage with the brazilian president lula, who he forgot to shake hands with before proceeding to wander off in the completely wrong direction. there we go .joe got direction. there we go. joe got . oh, right. okay the leader of the free world, everybody. we've got so much to bring you in the final hour of the program as rishi's latest move on net zero final hour of the program as rishihim test move on net zero final hour of the program as rishihim backnove on net zero final hour of the program as rishihim back the; on net zero final hour of the program as rishihim back the working zero final hour of the program as rishihim back the working class won him back the working class are the conservatives now the party working class? and are the conservatives now the party long working class? and are the conservatives now the party long should.ing class? and are the conservatives now the party long should we class? and are the conservatives now the party long should we detain and how long should we detain illegal migrants for patrick christys news christys gb news, britain's news channel the temperatures rising boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello , i'm alex burkill. >> hello, i'm alex burkill. here's your latest gb news weather update. we have further

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gb news away. good evening. >> it's 5 pm. it's patrick christys. it's gb news. are the conservatives now the party of the working class when it comes to the net zero. announcer and mps who don't get electric cars and don't get heat pumps and all of that stuff, they just of that stuff, are they just frothing great big hypocrites? and will stop listening to and will you stop listening to them? i tell you what, this is interesting. there's interesting. okay. so there's a big rumble rumbling on with big rumble ro rumbling on with russell brand. politicians are getting involved now writing letters to all sorts of people trying to get him cancelled. whatever you think about the allegations him is that allegations against him is that not concerning that we not quite concerning that we live in a world where cancel culture is that prevalent? i'll also be discussing this as well, though. migrant detention limits. long is too long to limits. how long is too long to detain an illegal migrant? is a 28 day limit long enough? and i'll also be discussing this as well. the european union. yes

could we end up back in it in this eu light version? what would that mean? because what i can gather it means is accepting all of their rules and regs without having a seat at any decision making table, which party, i wonder, would want to see in patrick see us back in that patrick christys . gb news. yeah fast christys. gb news. yeah fast paced hour coming your way. gb views or gbnews.com. get in touch on any of those top topics, but right now as your headlines, we're polly . patrick. headlines, we're polly. patrick. >> thank you and good evening to you.the >> thank you and good evening to you. the top story from the newsroom is that the bank of england has left its interest rate unchanged today . it's at rate unchanged today. it's at 5.25% as it was yesterday . 5.25% as it was yesterday. economics and business editor liam halligan has the latest . liam halligan has the latest. >> we're a couple of hours on now, but at 12 noon today, the bank of england behind me, their monetary committee , did monetary policy committee, did make really important

make the really important decision to hold interest rates at 5.25. finally finally, finally, after 14 successive rate rises from 0.1% at the end of 2001, all the way up to 5.25, the bank of england has finally decided enough is enough and inflation is now coming down and there's no need for now at least to raise rates any more. this will be a huge relief to young families with variable rate mortgages. it will be a huge relief to companies with variable rate loans. it will be a huge relief to many consumers across the country who have been grappling with high energy bills i >> -- >> liam halligan outside the bank of england . well, the bank of england. well, the shadow chancellor, rachel reeves , says despite the bank's decision , britain has been left decision, britain has been left worse off under the tories . worse off under the tories. >> i think there will be a sense of relief, particularly for those who are coming up to the end of their mortgage deals. but let's look at where we are in the bigger picture because somebody coming up to remortgage

their house today is looking at paying their house today is looking at paying £220 more a month than they would have done if they had a remortgaged a year ago. so this is still a very challenging time for families and businesses with the cost of living crisis, which continues to bite . which continues to bite. >> well, borrowers may start to feel the benefits of the bank of england's announcement today, shortly after it was made nationwide, building society said it's going to be cutting the majority of its fixed rate mortgages . the country's biggest mortgages. the country's biggest building society will now offer five and ten year fixed rate mortgages of below 5% for first time buyers and home movers. the prime minister says hard pressed families shouldn't have to pay an unaffordable price for the uk to reach net zero. shadow minister for industry and decarbonisation , however, sarah decarbonisation, however, sarah jones says the government's plan to roll back some climate policies is the wrong decision. but rishi sunak says he won't proceed with plans that would

punish motorists and working people. we've been through the numbers and we're absolutely confident that we are on track to hit all our international and domestic targets, which by the way, world leading and the way, are world leading and the reason i have confidence in that is we've overdelivered is because we've overdelivered on carbon budgets to on all of our carbon budgets to date, despite everyone saying , date, despite everyone saying, oh, not hit them. oh, you might not hit them. >> delivered them. >> we've over delivered on them. plus that the costs plus we can see that the costs of these new of some of these new technologies falling far technologies are falling far faster than people have predicted. is predicted. offshore wind is a great example of that cost. today less we predicted today 70% less than we predicted in 2016 . in 2016. >> media mogul rupert murdoch is stepping down from his role as chairman of fox and news corporation in a note to staff, the 92 year old said that he and his companies are in robust health and that the battle for the freedom of speech has never been more intense. he'll take on the role of chairman emeritus while his son lachlan becomes sole chairman of both companies . the former soldier , daniel . the former soldier, daniel khalife, has pleaded not guilty to escaping from wandsworth pfison to escaping from wandsworth prison in london. he's accused

of strapping himself to the underside of a food delivery vehicle on september the 6th spot, sparking a four day manhunt . the 21 year old manhunt. the 21 year old appeared in court via video link from hmp belmarsh . more action from hmp belmarsh. more action is needed to crack down on shoplifting. that's according to the co—op group. after it reported the highest ever levels of shop crime. it says its food business lost £33 million this year due to costs , including year due to costs, including thefts and security . the retail thefts and security. the retail chain says looting and organised crime gangs are a growing problem with the vast majority of offenders going unpunished . of offenders going unpunished. and lastly , the king has been and lastly, the king has been paying and lastly, the king has been paying tribute to what he calls the indispensable relationship between the united kingdom and france. on the second day of his visit to the country, his majesty the king and queen camilla spent the afternoon visiting a flower market before heading to notre dame cathedral . earlier, he became the only british monarch ever to speak from the senate chamber in paris

, speaking in english and in french, he celebrated the friendship and warm familiarity between the two nations, as well as unity on issues such as climate change. >> our two governments are working in partnership to address so many global challenges . and yet, as ever , it challenges. and yet, as ever, it is our people who are the true driving force of our relationship , driving force of our relationship, our friendship and warm familiarity are fortified by each new connection between us. it is renewed by each newfound joy in the culture of the other and each reminder of how much we share his majesty the king. >> this is jb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio, and now on your smart speaker by saying play gb news this is britain's news.

channel >> if you're rich, you can afford to care about the environment. if you're poor , you environment. if you're poor, you shouldn't have to. isn't it funny how those saying that we can't afford to delay our net zero are usually the zero agenda are usually the people afford to make people who can't afford to make all the changes they need all the changes that they need to to their to virtue signal to their metropolitan mates around their patio firepit. now, i don't think people like lord zac goldsmith understand that simply getting a new electric car or getting a new electric car or getting a new boiler or whatever is beyond the reach of most people or is causing them significant distress at the prospect of bankrupting themselves. so that britain can be world leading in the climate fight back. i found the hysteria from the vast swathes of the media absolutely hilarious . media absolutely hilarious. yesterday, as rishi sunak said that he'd slowed down net zero plans. it was as if he'd kicked a family of polar bears to death taking a flamethrower to a patch of amazonian woodland and forced fed coal to kids. one loving media type thought that she'd managed to corner kemi badenoch on this morning's media rounds

by saying, well, most poor people don't drive anyway. do they? so they won't be affected by this new ban on petrol and diesel cars. that in itself reveals the shockingly sheltered world that many people in the media live in. they talk about issues and people that they clearly know very little about , clearly know very little about, as badenoch said, basically get out of london, get out of the little bubble that a lot of these media luvvies live in, because people living in rural community drive people living in northern suburbs drive time and time again. people who virtue signal about climate objectives have idea about how these have no idea about how these schemes are going to negatively impact lives normal impact the lives of normal people. rich people can afford to think about how we look on the world stage, about whether we meet our international obligations, about whether or not we are offsetting as fast as comparable. g7 nations. normal people can only afford to think about how much money they've got in their paycheque this month and whether they can afford to get their existing petrol or

diesel serviced. the pearl diesel cars serviced. the pearl clutching well—to—do type scheme . what about our international obligations? oh yeah. most of the people focus on the obugafion the people focus on the obligation that they have towards feeding their kids or paying towards feeding their kids or paying their mortgage. what i liked about rishi sunak statement yesterday was that it was the first time i can remember a political leader actually coming out and saying, look , we need do more to help look, we need to do more to help with climate, but we're not with the climate, but we're not all burn to death if we all going to burn to death if we don't things now . this don't do things right now. this second sunak does not want to bankrupt ordinary people in order have a punitive target order to have a punitive target hit. he has challenged anybody who thinks that people in doncaster should go skint to explain to those people why they think that. so mark my words, what will happen now in the coming weeks is the climate lobby more lobby starts to get even more extreme their threats extreme with their threats ramping the urgency . they ramping up the urgency. they still obviously won't bother to go and protest in beijing or new delhi. i mean, why would they at the election? many working the last election? many working class northern areas lent the

tories their vote. what i think is interesting about yesterday's sunak announcement is that it was an attempt to was clearly an attempt to position the tories being on position the tories as being on the the working class. the side of the working class. laboun the side of the working class. labour, though it appears, may still north still be obsessed with north london middle class academic lefties . well, i want to hear lefties. well, i want to hear from you on this . from you on this. vaiews@gbnews.com do you subscribe to that point of view or do you think that actually basically rishi sunak is just chasing to shamelessly chasing his tail to shamelessly win labour commentator win votes? labour commentator james me james matthewson joins me now. james, you very much. does james, thank you very much. does labour not have a little bit of a tricky position on its hands here where now it looks as though tories are actually though the tories are actually on side working class on the side of the working class as i mean. patrick come on to hear you say that the tories are on the side of the working class. >> am i ancestors? all my cool mining heritage just shivers at the thought. what i will say . the thought. what i will say. >> hang on a minute on that on that. well wait wait a second. you how would you how your

you how would you how would your coal feel about coal mining ancestors feel about the fact that they've got a labour clearly hates coal? >> well, unfortunately , many of >> well, unfortunately, many of the people in my family who mined coal, who are now no longer coal miners because there are no coal mines thanks to the tories. >> but moving on from that point, that time >> but moving on from that poirchanged. that time >> but moving on from that poirchanged. thethat time >> but moving on from that poirchanged. the world time >> but moving on from that poirchanged. the world istime >> but moving on from that poirchanged. the world is ane >> but moving on from that poirchanged. the world is a very has changed. the world is a very different world now from the time, of course, there's an opportunity for investment in northern communities , industrial northern communities, industrial communities, especially . communities, especially. >> so i think what happens is we look away , forward for political look away, forward for political parties to try and change the narrative. the labour party especially has a very difficult path to walk. i don't think the labour party can afford to abandon its commitment to net zero in the way that it has or the tories have absolutely lose ehhen the tories have absolutely lose either. they are desperate to try and hang on to a few in a minute, isn't this. >> but wait a second. wait a second. so, so. so if you if we think if we take if we take the view which there may well be some james right. that

some merit in james right. that this is a shameless attempt to win what that means me win votes, what that means to me is you're not on the is that maybe you're not on the side of democracy because if more to vote for more people want to vote for something delay of net something like the delay of net zero, what think? zero, well, what do you think? they're just they they're just stupid. they shouldn't they shouldn't be given the opportunity for that. why problem if people why is it a problem if people like policy? well, i think like that policy? well, i think there's a very cynical assumption that, where assumption that, i mean, where is evidence shows that is the evidence that shows that people policy? the people like this policy? the latest yougov poll latest yougov latest yougov poll says 50% of people back it, says that 50% of people back it, 34% it's bad idea . 34% think it's a bad idea. >> the majority of people i speak to in working class communities and the community like those that i come from in the north—east of england, all care about climate change. they the north—east of england, all care about clinclimate.|ge. they the north—east of england, all care about clinclimate. you'veey care about the climate. you've pointed aptly pointed out very aptly beforehand that fortunately, priority bees take precedent and because of the way the country is being run for the last almost 18 years under the tory party , 18 years under the tory party, we haven't got the ability in working class communities to try and set priorities on climate change, but people still care about it. and i think it's cynical that they're

cynical to say that they're doing okay. >> all right. but we're still hitting targets, though, hitting our targets, though, aren't have to aren't we? why would we have to do it so quickly? this is the thing. i the labour shadow thing. i mean, the labour shadow environment hasn't thing. i mean, the labour shadow envir you're going to >> i mean, if you're going to talk to me about politicians being out of touch, you're absolutely right. i mean, this is a problem across the is this is a problem across the board. it's not just know single to political party. that to any political party. and that removal know, removal from, you know, the north from working north and from working class communities in westminster has traditionally been a problem. but that those but i still think that those communities to listen to communities need to listen to and them all off as and by writing them all off as saying that they're all against right policies to try and tackle climate change isn't helpful . climate change isn't helpful. >> so what would you so what would you do? seriously though? because because because labour are now because rishi has asked the rishi sunak has asked the question, labour question, right. so labour are now going to have to try to justify why they think that someone in doncaster should pay 10 to 15 grand to hit these net zero targets by 2030. let's be

honest. would your solution just be that the taxpayer should pay that money them ? that money for them? >> absolutely and >> yeah, absolutely right. and this is why it's a it's a clever move by the tories. it's strategized because it's, you know, sell that know, are you going to sell that on absolutely not. on the doorstep? absolutely not. it's going to become another issue try issue here. starmer has to try and dodge just the same as the migration one would hope in keir starmer strategy that starmer textbook strategy that people just don't, you know, hate it enough to give them their vote again because the people are sick of rishi sunak. they're sick of the fact that he's been government now for a long time . you know, he's the long time. you know, he's the previous setting policy on these kind of things. so it matters to people that there's a change in the country. and i think keir starmer hope that people starmer will hope that people will enough, but will not hate it enough, but that on the world stage he can stand and say we're stand up and say we're a different country under labour. >> right, james, thank you >> all right, james, thank you very much. mathewson is very much. james mathewson is a labour commentator for fighting the good fight, as it were. again, now again, keir starmer is now in a very position, right, very tricky position, right, because he is going to to because he is going to have to try to explain how poorer people because he is going to have to

try goinglain how poorer people because he is going to have to try going ton how poorer people because he is going to have to try going to afford poorer people because he is going to have to try going to afford net'er people because he is going to have to try going to afford net zerozople are going to afford net zero when rishi is saying that when rishi sunak is saying that in we don't have to in his view, we don't have to have those fast paced changes, costly changes in order to still hit our targets. i suppose the big one is are we still going to be able to hit those targets? maybe. rishi sunak insists that we can do by even by watering down the net zero policies. but the head of the climate change committee has warned that the uk government to be slipping government seems to be slipping further from meeting further off track from meeting its legally binding 2030 emissions goals. let's get the views now, shall we? of geosystem science professor myles allen, a fantastic job title. good stuff. are you are you mortally offended by rishi sunak saying that we should delay the costly nature of net zero for just a delay the costly nature of net zero forjust a few more delay the costly nature of net zero for just a few more years? >> no, no, i'm not suggesting i wouldn't for a minute. >> i want to tell a politician what to do. our job as what to do. ourjob as scientists is to tell them the implications. and you've just made the point that we were sort of barely on track to meeting the net zero before these

the net zero goal before these changes. and what worries me, i mean, first of all, i welcome the prime minister's call for what he called a grown up democratic discussion about how we get to net zero. i'm pleased he didn't say how fast we get to net zero, so he's accepting the fact that we will get to net zero on time and that's a really important point. >> myles can i just can i just get you on that? because that is a really important point, right? why did of these targets why did any of these targets matter? because that 20, matter? because wasn't that 20, 30 boris johnson 30 target just boris johnson going to cop 26 and slapping a round number on it? why do we now have to hold ourselves to that? does it make any difference whether or not we hit net zero by 2050 or we hit it a bit later or we have electric vehicles and hybrids ? et cetera. vehicles and hybrids? et cetera. en masse, by 2030, i mean, does that actually matter? have we just set ourselves a target that now we're not going to meet, but it's not going to make any difference to the world? well we want to stop global warming and

we want to global warming we want to stop global warming as possible because as soon as possible because we're the we're already feeling the impacts it. >> and by the way, it's poor people are primarily people that are primarily affected globalwarming. people that are primarily affected global warming. rich affected by global warming. rich people conditioning. affected by global warming. rich pe0|the conditioning. affected by global warming. rich pe0|the point conditioning. affected by global warming. rich pe0|the point is conditioning. affected by global warming. rich pe0|the point is thatynditioning. affected by global warming. rich pe0|the point is thatynywe're ng. but the point is that if we're going to global warming but the point is that if we're goinglimit globalwarming but the point is that if we're goinglimit it global warming but the point is that if we're goinglimit it to lobal warming but the point is that if we're goinglimit it to well warming but the point is that if we're goinglimit it to well belowng but the point is that if we're goinglimit it to well below two time limit it to well below two degrees, which it would be already for a lot of the world, then you need to get to net zero soon after 2050. >> what happens if we did it now? >> right, miles, would that if we did it now, if britain if we clicked our fingers and right now great britain was at net zero, what impact that make zero, what impact does that make on world? on the world? >> britain led the world >> well, britain led the world into this. we did very well leading world into this. and leading the world into this. and we could do the temperature in terms of global temperature. so britain is right now , britain is britain is right now, britain is 1% of global emissions. we're a lot more of a contribution to warming to date. but whole warming to date. but the whole point of our contribution to cop26 and you know, our politicians working together on the world stage is to provide

some leadership. and the other thing is, if we get ahead, america is seeing other countries backsliding on net zero commitment as an opportunity. >> they're going to get in ahead and win the race to a green future miles, do you win the race? >> win the race? i understand it, but miles, you know, showing will will doreen in doncaster, who's having to find an extra 15 grand to hit net zero targets, be pleased that we are leading on the world miles. on the world stage miles. >> don't as i said, i do >> well, i don't as i said, i do need a conversation and i welcome the fact that we need to have a conversation about who foots the for this. i've foots the bill for this. i've been arguing that been long arguing that those with shoulders with the broadest shoulders should shoulder most of the bill. honest with you, bill. and to be honest with you, those the broadest those with the broadest shoulders are shoulders of all right now are the gas company who are the oil and gas company who are making out like bandits. the oil and gas company who are making out like bandits . and i making out like bandits. and i would have loved for the to would have loved for the pm to have said, okay, doreen and doncaster's to have to have said, okay, doreen and don the er's to have to have said, okay, doreen and don the bill. to have to have said, okay, doreen and don the bill. how to have to have said, okay, doreen and don the bill. how are to have to have said, okay, doreen and don the bill. how are to goingo pay the bill. how are we going to that the people to make sure that the people selling doreen gas an selling doreen gas at an outrageously inflated are outrageously inflated price are going actually step forward going to actually step forward and in with the solution?

and join in with the solution? because could do so? and because they could do so? and that's we need hear from that's what we need to hear from our politicians. worried me our politicians. what worried me about rishi speech was not about rishi sunak speech was not that he was proposing to revise the strategy , but that all the strategy, but that all the revisions were in the same direction. all the numbers we heard about going slower heard were about going slower and when we were barely going to make it in the first place, if everything is about going slower , then it's kind of implausible that he still remains committed to the target . it's just like to the target. it's just like breaking distance on a car. the longer you put off hitting the brake, the harder you have to hit them to actually stop in time. and that's the challenge we face. it's simple arithmetic. >> . simple arithmetic. >> all right. simple arithmetic. you mentioned cars. there i've got you got electric car. >> i've got a plug in hybrid, if you like. >> a plug in hybrid, you're the first person i've spoken to. you're the first person i have spoken to in last day and spoken to in the last day and a half who's been talking to me about the climate, who hasn't got or a diesel car. got a petrol or a diesel car. fantastic heat pump ? >> 7- >> we ?— >> we don't 7 >> we don't have ? >> we don't have a 7 >> we don't have a heat pump. no because it wouldn't mean we need

to. nobody. it doesn't make sense. even environmentally , we sense. even environmentally, we retrofit heat pumps necessarily into all the houses . now, we into all the houses. now, we should insulate our houses better first. and what the policy, if there was an emergency , miles, if there was . emergency, miles, if there was. >> yeah, but if there was if there was a climate emergency , there was a climate emergency, you'd have a heat pump there, wouldn't you? if there was an emergency . emergency. >> it is. >> it is. >> it is. >> i mean i personally, i actually don't think the emergency word is actually . emergency word is actually. terribly helpful. >> we need to sort this out. we've got 30 years to do it , 30 we've got 30 years to do it, 30 years to make some big changes. the way we generate energy and the way we get around . now, the way we get around. now, whether you want to call it an emergency or not, i don't know. but certainly we need to be converting what we do to from where we are to a net zero future. and there's lots of opportunities in that. and the problem is, if sometimes delay

actually costs people more money. >> okay . >> okay. >> okay. >> and doncaster could end up spending . in fact, it's already spending. in fact, it's already been worked out. british households could end up losing 8 billion a year as a result of these changes. okay interesting. >> just one last one, then loads of solar panels on your roof. we don't because as i say , what's don't because as i say, what's neededis don't because as i say, what's needed is actually it's i mean, it's not about point scoring. >> it's not about, you know. >> it's not about, you know. >> no, no, no. that's the thing. it's not about you, is it? that's what it is. >> it isn't about you either. >> it isn't about you either. >> it's not about the mps ehhen >> it's not about the mps either. it's about the system we're working in. i don't want to blame anybody and to blame anybody on this. and that's the. that's the crucial thing we need. >> interesting. if a system science professor right . can't science professor right. can't be bothered to get a heat pump or solar panels on his roof, even though you've got a plug in hybrid, you. do you not hybrid, good for you. do you not think it loses a bit of credibility? >> it's not what i can >> it's not about what i can be bothered to do. it's what i think to happen to the think needs to happen to the country. we need our country. we need to get our

energy system to net zero. we need to get our transport system to net zero. it's really interesting how industry, particularly the motor industry, has reacted really negatively. all this chopping and changing with the target we need to make a plan and we need to stick to it. that saves money. okay? it's going to save the british consumer money in the long term . if we can make a plan and stick it. that i stick to it. that said, i absolutely welcome the prime minister's call for a discussion about how we get to net zero and also welcome the fact that he's not saying he wants to delay getting there. all right. that's all great. so we've heard what he wants to do slower . let's now he wants to do slower. let's now hear wants do faster hear what he wants to do faster in exchange make up for where in exchange to make up for where he's slowing down. >> miles. and >> fair enough, miles. and i appreciate being such a good appreciate you being such a good sport you very sport as well. thank you very much, alan, there is a much, miles. alan, there is a geosystem professor, geosystem science professor, right? okay. watching listening to patrick christys to gb news me patrick christys coming we're waiting coming up. yes, we're waiting back into this russell brand row. okay? because the chair of the commons culture committee strongly it strongly getting involved. is it anotherand also , how long is it

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britain's news. channel >> well, a video platform used by russell brand, the comedian, of course, facing accusations of rape, was warned of a threat to freedom of speech after a leading politician told them to get brand off their platform. dame caroline dinenage, chair of

the house of commons media committee, wrote to rumble to say she was concerned and say that she was concerned and that he could profit from his content. dinnage has written to several media companies about their relationship with brand as well . by the way, as us here at well. by the way, as us here at gb news. that's right. we received an interesting letter from her. she was raising questions about bev turner rumble called the letter extremely disturbing . with me extremely disturbing. with me now is dr. philip caselli. he's a cultural historian and lecturer at the university of leeds. lecturer at the university of leeds . thank you very much. leeds. thank you very much. whatever people think of russell brand. all right. and you know, he's innocent until proven guilty. i mean, why have we got politician is of note politician is of some note actually wading in and calling on people to get cancelled. they probably wouldn't like we probably wouldn't like it if we did to oh you . did that to them. oh you. >> yeah. hi, patrick. it's really nice to speak to you again . it'sjust a really nice to speak to you again . it's just a grotesque again. it's just a grotesque intervention . intervention. >> it's a complete disservice to the alleged victims and the accused because it takes away

from the really, really serious allegation . allegation. >> and all of a sudden now the conversation is about freedom of speech. conversation is about freedom of speech . that's what we're speech. that's what we're talking about. and it's almost as though we don't know who we are as a society . and mp is are as a society. and mp is wading in stupidly to rumble, which is a free speech platform. >> what does she think she's going to get? >> what kind of required does she think she's going to get? you know, that's one thing. you know, so that's one thing. but course, the other thing but of course, the other thing is very serious is, is the very serious allegation. now, are you and we're talking about actually who we're talking about actually who we are and what our values are. and it's nothing to do with the with the actual story that broke on saturday night and dispatches i >> -- >> yeah, indeed . and do you >> yeah, indeed. and do you think that we no longer live in a society where people are considered innocent until proven guilty ? guilty? >> i think yeah, i think that went away with social media, with those tweets that were on

twitter all the time. and we're on social media. you just see it all the time kind of stuff. the libel that's on there is just amazing, you know? yes, we should have very rigorous investigative journalism. that's that's backbone of what we're about as a democracy . but it about as a democracy. but it goes much further than that . and goes much further than that. and politician, it comes back to politician. i don't know what they're doing. they just wade in and they they essentially make something very clear , very something very clear, very serious , into something which is serious, into something which is just completely stupid . just completely stupid. >> all right. look, doctor philip, thank you very, very much. a couple of little issues with you, there, i think with you, mic there, but i think we've the main points we've got the main points across. and i'll across. much appreciate and i'll chat doctor chat to you again soon. doctor philip kingsley there, cultural historian the historian and lecturer at the university just university of leeds, just waiting the latest waiting in really on the latest russell issue , which waiting in really on the latest russitrying issue , which waiting in really on the latest russitrying to issue , which waiting in really on the latest russitrying to getie , which waiting in really on the latest russitrying to get him/hich waiting in really on the latest russitrying to get him cancelled mps trying to get him cancelled from single from absolutely every single platform i would say, look, platform i would just say, look, whatever think of russell

whatever you think of russell brand, by the way, i was no fan of him begin with, okay? of him to begin with, okay? i was no fan his stand or was no fan of his stand up or anything with you anything to do with that. you have to be innocent until proven guilty, don't you? and also as well, can't have rush well, you can't have this rush to judgement people in high to judgement from people in high places the complete to judgement from people in high plac utter the complete to judgement from people in high plac utter cancellation complete to judgement from people in high plac utter cancellation ofnplete and utter cancellation of someone somebody someone once somebody been cancelled. difficult someone once somebody been cancellecto difficult someone once somebody been cancellecto get difficult someone once somebody been cancellecto get themselves back. someone once somebody been cthink ecto get themselves back. someone once somebody been cthink there jet themselves back. someone once somebody been cthink there hashemselves back. someone once somebody been cthink there has to nselves back. someone once somebody been cthink there has to beelves back. i think there has to be due process etcetera. don't our process etcetera. and don't our politicians a better stuff process etcetera. and don't our po do? ans a better stuff process etcetera. and don't our po do? ins a better stuff process etcetera. and don't our po do? i mean, a better stuff process etcetera. and don't our po do? i mean, there'ser stuff process etcetera. and don't our po do? i mean, there's loadsf process etcetera. and don't our po do? i mean, there's loads of to do? i mean, there's loads of different areas in our country right sorting different areas in our country right is sorting different areas in our country right is that sorting different areas in our country right is that really rting different areas in our country right is that really the] urgently. is that really the best use of a politician's time 7 best use of a politician's time ? some people would say, hey, this lady's brief. of this is that lady's brief. of course, she's involved the course, she's involved with the kind culture side of kind of culture side of politics, in media politics, you know, in the media side. yeah. all right. side. and so, yeah. all right. but we've but i would say that maybe we've got better things on gb got a few better things on gb views gb views a lot views the gb views .com. a lot of getting in touch about views the gb views .com. a lot of interview tting in touch about views the gb views .com. a lot of interview that in touch about views the gb views .com. a lot of interview that i'veouch about views the gb views .com. a lot of interview that i've just about views the gb views .com. a lot of interview that i've just donet an interview that i've just done about, you know, the environment basically, zero. and i'm basically, and net zero. and i'm amazed of these people amazed all of these people who keep show keep keep coming on this show keep telling they got keep coming on this show keep te heat they got keep coming on this show keep te heat pump. they got keep coming on this show keep teheat pump. theyy got keep coming on this show keep teheat pump. they haven't got keep coming on this show keep te heat pump. they haven't got it keep coming on this show keep teheat pump. they haven't got an a heat pump. they haven't got an electric they haven't electric vehicle, they haven't got they haven't got solar panels, they haven't got solar panels, they haven't got stuff. and if got all of this stuff. and if there climate emergency, there was a climate emergency, wouldn't you that? wouldn't you be doing that? patrick, zealots, patrick, these eco zealots, we need account . need to hold them to account.

what hypocrites? most of them need to hold them to account. wh.this'pocrites? most of them need to hold them to account. wh.this'pofrom ? most of them need to hold them to account. wh.this'pofrom robert of them need to hold them to account. wh.this'pofrom robert says em are this is from robert says that he fully supports rishi sunak's climate plan. he sunak's new climate plan. he says that labour is supposed to be class. be for the working class. however, their loony however, with their loony policies, working policies, the very working person , every working person person, every working person would even more. i would suffer even more. i understand that. i mean, i think there is also and let's have it right , whilst people may agree right, whilst people may agree with what rishi sunak is doing, there is the other side to this, which is he does need which is that he does need votes. he's looking at votes. and if he's looking at this and saying that this now and saying that it could slow down could be popular to slow down net then that's what he's net zero, then that's what he's doing. but that should the doing. but that should be the point democracy, point of democracy, though, shouldn't for too shouldn't it? i think for too long had politicians long we've had politicians telling us what to think as opposed asking then opposed to asking us. and then doing it. but coming up, an inquiry that time inquiry says that a time limit of days should be imposed for of 28 days should be imposed for people held immigration people held in uk immigration removal centres. should there actually time limit at all? actually be a time limit at all? should they be there indefinitely? this a indefinitely? to put this into a bit context, the hour bit of context, in the last hour ispoke bit of context, in the last hour i spoke human rights lawyer i spoke to a human rights lawyer who said that even if someone broke his home, he broke into his own home, he wouldn't them. maybe wouldn't detain them. maybe that's now. but wouldn't detain them. maybe that'snow now. but wouldn't detain them. maybe that'snow it's now. but wouldn't detain them. maybe that'snow it's your now. but wouldn't detain them. maybe that'snow it's your headlines.t right now it's your headlines. we're pulling .

we're pulling. >> patrick, thank you. the top stories this hour. the bank of england has left its interest rate unchanged at 5.25, following yesterday's better than expected inflation data. the bank of england's governor, andrew bailey, has welcomed the news, saying he thinks inflation will continue to fall. the prime minister says hard pressed families shouldn't have to pay an unaffordable price for the uk to reach net zero. rishi sunak is defending his decision to roll back on some climate policies, saying he won't proceed with plans that would punish motorists and working people . and the media mogul people. and the media mogul rupert murdoch is stepping down from his role as chairman of fox and corporation . the 92 and news corporation. the 92 year old has said that he and his are in robust his companies are in robust health, but that the battle for freedom of speech has never been more intense. son lachlan more intense. his son lachlan becomes the sole chairman of both companies. more on all those stories by heading to our website . gbnews.com . direct

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amongst staff . well, i mean, amongst staff. well, i mean, what are we supposed to do i suppose, and should it not be a bit like a prison? and of course we are spending £8 million a day now on hotel bills. but i believe that we might be able to get now get the view now of international security and border expert henry border control expert henry bolton . henry, thank very bolton. henry, thank you very much. hour , i had a much. in the last hour, i had a human lawyer on said human rights lawyer on who said that somebody broke into that even if somebody broke into his home, he wouldn't expect his own home, he wouldn't expect them to be detained. i would quite like to put that to the test, although i don't necessarily fancy my chances. but not where we are? but is this not where we are? how long we be detaining how long should we be detaining people? days too long? people? is 28 days too long? >> no. patrick look, i mean , it >> no. patrick look, i mean, it depends on your interpretation of the human rights convention. >> but , um. >> but, um. >> but, um. >> and i apologise if it's a bit bad. >> i'm in a very rural area. um, but the, the refugee convention does allow for the detention of asylum seekers if they have entered a country irregularly , entered a country irregularly, they don't have paperwork and so

on. now there's not a period by the refugee convention on that. >> countries like australia, the united states , denmark do this united states, denmark do this regularly . regularly. >> if you here is twofold. i think. one is that we have got to somehow address the fact that we have got tens of thousands of such people coming into this country. we don't know who they are. we cannot identify them. we cannot check their backstory . cannot check their backstory. and they appear to be economic migrants . and many of them, you migrants. and many of them, you know , get involved in organised know, get involved in organised crime when they're here. so what we supposed to do with them? we're detain them. we're supposed to detain them. >> should now this 28 days >> we should do now this 28 days that has been recommended by the pubuc that has been recommended by the public inquiry is a fairly arbitrary period , but it comes arbitrary period, but it comes from actually , i think. from actually, i think. >> yeah. all right. i think we'll just have a little bit of an issue. sorry, henry. sorry, henry. we're having a little bit

of an issue, i'm afraid, with with the connection there. with with the connection there. i'm we'll park i'm afraid so. we'll just park it henry bolton it there for now. henry bolton there. international security and experts. what and border control experts. what do about all of that, do you think about all of that, though? seriously, do you think that it's okay to detain people who removal that it's okay to detain people who days? removal that it's okay to detain people who days? it removal that it's okay to detain people who days? it appearval that it's okay to detain people who days? it appear to for 28 days? it does appear to be part of a much bigger problem. right, which that be part of a much bigger problifn. right, which that be part of a much bigger problif we ight, which that be part of a much bigger problif we have which that be part of a much bigger problif we have somebodyiat this even if we have somebody in this country that we don't know where they who they i they are or who they are, i should or they should say, or where they are from , and we don't want them to from, and we don't want them to stay longer, we stay here any longer, then we actually to deport actually struggle to deport them. and the solution increasingly pushed us increasingly being pushed on us appears well, let them appears to be, well, let them work. all right. well, how do we verify who they are whether work. all right. well, how do we verify they'reey are whether work. all right. well, how do we verify they're necessarily ether or not they're necessarily qualified the job? what qualified for the job? then what do them? we say, do we do with them? we say, well, and live with well, can you go and live with relatives at some point? that would be imagine would. would be i imagine they would. remarkable we have to tell us exactly and where exactly who they are and where they from. but alas, they they are from. but alas, they don't seem to want to that don't seem to want to do that ehhen don't seem to want to do that either. and then just either. and then if it just becomes years and years and years, moral for years, the moral argument for keeping who don't keeping somebody who we don't know who they are or where they're essentially they're from in essentially a prison for 2 or 3 years prison cell for 2 or 3 years without deport without being able to deport them, kind of loads the dice,

them, it kind of loads the dice, doesn't it? eventually we have to release them. eventually the human win. i do human rights brigade win. i do find really interesting that find it really interesting that we cohort human we do have a cohort of human rights lawyers , one of whom was rights lawyers, one of whom was on this show earlier on, who said all of that should said all of that we should let them let them go said all of that we should let the|and let them go said all of that we should let the|and live let them go said all of that we should let the|and live in let them go said all of that we should let the|and live in the let them go said all of that we should let the|and live in the communitiesgo out and live in the communities and they got anyone and if they haven't got anyone that live with, we that they can live with, we should for hotels should pay for their hotels and even broke into his even if someone broke into his own house, he said that he wouldn't actually well, he might call tried to call the police, but he tried to get he wouldn't get them help. he wouldn't want them detained. really them detained. is that really them detained. is that really the people that we are the kind of people that we are actually with in the kind of people that we are actucountry? with in the kind of people that we are actucountry? howrith in the kind of people that we are actucountry? how do in the kind of people that we are actucountry? how do you in the kind of people that we are actucountry? how do you feel this country? how do you feel about it? you detain about it? would you detain people indefinitely ? i mean, is people indefinitely? i mean, is that the right thing to that morally the right thing to do? is there not maybe somewhere offshore we could indeed be offshore that we could indeed be processing again, processing them? what is, again, interesting is that in italy, on lampedusa, they passing lampedusa, they are now passing laws lengthen laws to try to lengthen the amount that those people amount of time that those people can detained for gb views can be detained for gb views gbnews.com of course that gbnews.com is of course that inbox. italy has decided to hold these for 18 months, says these people for 18 months, says mike. yeah, mike. but the problem with that will be is they on an island there. how they are on an island there. how long before italy decides

long is it before italy decides to people the to fly those people from the island into mainland europe and then they can head to britain? patrick this migration fiasco has gone on long enough. this is from judith. there should be a referendum . and if the british referendum. and if the british people say the return of the boats, then that's what should happen. judith it's interesting because many thought we happen. judith it's interesting bec have many thought we happen. judith it's interesting bec have m.referendum :hought we happen. judith it's interesting bec have m.referendum onjght we did have a referendum on immigration. it was the brexit referendum. alas, things referendum. but alas, things have haven't have got worse, haven't they? could we really have a referendum turning back the referendum on turning back the boats? interesting. again the rishi course, rishi sunak is now, of course, distancing himself net zero distancing himself from net zero slightly. like a slightly. it's almost like a pseudo referendum. and far pseudo referendum. and so far the polls that 50% the latest polls show that 50% of actually agree with of people actually agree with what he's saying. 34% of people disagree with it. i wonder what the result would be like if we had referendum whether or had a referendum on whether or not turn back the not we should turn back the boats. but you are, of course, watching listening to gb watching and listening to gb news. in just tick, news. coming up in just a tick, the offer uk the eu could offer the uk associate membership, but what exactly does mean? could it exactly does that mean? could it mean a abiding their rules mean a abiding by their rules without having a say over anything ? in a moment i will anything? in a moment i will speak to someone who is

desperate to rejoin the european union. i wonder whether or not they still want to do that. if we had no say over the rules, it promises to be a ding dong. stay tuned. patrick christys gb news, britain's

on gb news as the people's. channel earlier on we brought you the news that france and germany are reportedly planning to offer britain and other european countries, so—called associate

membership. >> what does all of this really mean? from what we can glean so far, apparently it would see the uk contribute to the eu's annual budget. so we're paying we're paying budget. so we're paying we're paying for the european union and it would come under the jurisdiction of the european court justice. so we're under court of justice. so we're under the thumb legally again in exchange access to the exchange for access to the bloc's single market. now, some people say, hey, this is great economically. this will be an economically. this will be an economic win and this is a price worth paying. people say worth paying. some people say when voted for brexit, they when they voted for brexit, they didn't to leave didn't actually vote to leave the market. think the single market. i think that's a minority of brexiteers personally, but there go. the personally, but there we go. the plan sir plan would be in line with sir keir seek keir starmer's pledge to seek a better deal with the eu if he wins the next general election and it follows the labour leader's face to face talks with president macron earlier this week. so look, the cynic in me would suggest that maybe this is coordinated. so from what we could gather, tony blair helped to set up keir starmers meeting with emmanuel macron. emmanuel macron and germany , two of the

macron and germany, two of the eu powerhouses, then propose something that looks a lot like this. keir starmer simultaneously says that he would like a different, in his words, better deal with the european union. mean, is this european union. i mean, is this just eu through the back just now eu through the back door? if we voted for keir starmer to become our prime minister, are you voting to rejoin the european union in one way or the other? i believe we can go now for the views of the deputy leader of the rejoin the eu party. it is richard morley. richard, thank you very much. looks wonderful where you are. where are you? >> oh, i'm near montpellier in france . france. >> lovely. okay fantastic. yeah, it's fantastic. right. okay, so does this eu associate membership sound like a good idea to you ? idea to you? >> well, i mean, we are listening to the british public and the british public, certainly from the latest polls, want a close association with europe than what is currently available under the no brexit,

no deal brexit that we actually achieve. and so consequently , achieve. and so consequently, our the people behind us in the party, the people who are voting for us, they want to have this closer relationship. and i think sir keir starmer is listening to that effect that is coming from the people . the people. >> but would we would we would we need to have a second referendum on this then? so if keir starmer wants us to become an associate member of the european union, presumably we would have to have a referendum on that. no >> yes . i on that. no >> yes. i don't see on that. no >> yes . i don't see that there >> yes. i don't see that there shouldn't be a referendum because i'm quite certain it would be won by the people who wish to move closer to the eu . wish to move closer to the eu. but perhaps it could be done in a in a three choice vote with a single transfer . so either we single transfer. so either we stay out as we are or we move closer or we actually move towards rejoin . meaning i mean towards rejoin. meaning i mean single transferable vote, we should be able to get a very

clear decision on that from the british public. >> okay. there's a clip that's emerged of keir starmer saying that he doesn't want to diverge from the european union. right so that basically means that if you vote for labour, you are getting the eu. i mean, that in itself. is that not undemocratic i >> -- >> well, hm >> well, that hasn't been fully approved by his own party yet . approved by his own party yet. the point is that he's gone to de—man, the party is voted this level would be the whole discussion is perhaps seeing where the ground could lie . and where the ground could lie. and i think that that is really the issue that starmer is doing. and he is simply following that principle. do you don't think that they would risk the complete disenfranchisement of the british public who will have seen that they voted for something ? something? >> all right. might have been >> all right. it might have been a answer, they a simplistic answer, but they voted they then voted for something. they then had and years and years of had years and years and years of politicians had years and years and years of

poliweans had years and years and years of poliwe then had years and years up. we then had years and years and years of politicians deliberately any deliberately not taking any advantage have advantage that we could have made then almost made of that. and then almost the we get a the next opportunity we get a prime minister coming in. if keir wins the election, keir starmer wins the election, who's deal with who's already done a deal with the european union get us the european union to get us back you don't think it back in, you don't think it looks looks like really, really tinpot dictatorship . tinpot dictatorship. >> well, no. you've got to realise that the referendum was in 2016, that seven years ago now and if there was an election today, there's no doubt the pubuc today, there's no doubt the public would not actually expect bofis public would not actually expect boris johnson , who they voted in boris johnson, who they voted in 2019, would have, in fact , those 2019, would have, in fact, those pubuc 2019, would have, in fact, those public changes there mind. and they have every right to change their mind. i would believe that another referendum established that they had . that they had. >> so would you would you would you be happy for to us have a deal with the european union where we paid into their budget, where we paid into their budget, where we paid into their budget, where we were under the jurisdiction of the european courts of justice, but we did not have any seat around any decision making table . so we

decision making table. so we were we were just subjects of the european union. you would be happy the european union. you would be happy with that, would you? >> well, the four tier membership that is currently being discussed gives varying degrees of membership responsibility. eu and there is benefit. so if we want some benefit. so if we want some benefit without full membership , we have them. but of course we won't have the opportunity to change law if we want full membership, then we have to accept all the rules and regulations , which i don't think regulations, which i don't think the british public are ready for. i think keir starmer is aiming it at the right point at the moment that basically britain wants to move closer , it britain wants to move closer, it wants to ease those issues, the issues that really concern the british public are that there is no freedom of movement and no free movement of goods, which as you can't import ordinary things

from europe. you used to the british public doesn't like that. how much how much time, richard? >> just just i mean, i can't i can't help but i mean, the elephant in the room is elephant in the room here is that you're talking to me from montpellier. think montpellier. and i think the last that we spoke from last time that we spoke from from you were you from memory, we you were you were different country as were in a different country as well. you well. how much time do you actually spend? in britain? actually spend? and in britain? >> spend about >> oh, i spend around about seven year, 6 or 7 seven months a year, 6 or 7 months a year in britain. i mean, the point is that obviously business and i'm obviously i'm a business and i'm very associated but the very associated with it, but the point is that one, wherever one is as a european, as you said, there was he said there was no free, free movement of people . free, free movement of people. >> i get that, richard. sorry to, but he's no free movement of people. last time we in people. last time we were in berlin, you're berlin, now you're in montpellier. holiday on montpellier. lovely holiday on there. spend seven months of there. you spend seven months of there. you spend seven months of the year britain. i mean, the year in britain. i mean, life's it? life's all right, isn't it? out of eu? yes of the eu? yes >> but i don't think the conversation is about me personally, is it? to be fair, we're talking about what is best for british people and the for the british people and the british people want a better deal with europe. they want to

be able to move without restraint of visas and all the other hassles . and most of all, other hassles. and most of all, they want to be able to import from europe without having to pay a from europe without having to pay a 30 british companies. they are suffering most of all because they want to export their goods to europe without all this bureaucratic hassle , all this bureaucratic hassle, which is killing so many small businesses, losing so many jobs that something has to be done about it. and i think that's the important thing. >> yeah , our economy and yet our >> yeah, our economy and yet our economy grows faster, faster than france and germany. right >> well, i don't think you can measure the wealth of a nation just by. >> well, but that's interesting. no, no, no. because the last the last time the last time we were talking the last time were talking the last time we were talking, richard, were talking, richard, you were banging on me how banging to on me about how much worse off economically britain was with with these eu was compared with with these eu countries. and then the facts change and all of a sudden that doesn't matter. can't doesn't really matter. we can't compare. it compare. it doesn't really it doesn't matter that we doesn't really matter that we are faster than are we're growing faster than france are we're growing faster than fra|well, important thing is

>> well, the important thing is how much money does the ordinary person have in their pocket? at the the day after their the end of the day after their essential expenditure ? and at essential expenditure? and at the rent prices in the moment, rent prices in britain are so high that people don't have much money. i think two thirds of their income on rent and that crippling it doesn't matter how much you earn, it's how much money you have in your pocket at the end of the day after you've paid your necessary expenses . and your necessary expenses. and that's where britain is losing against europe. >> okay. all right, richard , >> okay. all right, richard, thank you very much. richard morley there, deputy leader of the rejoined uk from the rejoined the uk party from montpellier. here. montpellier. now jubes is here. michelle dewbs& co. michelle dewberry for dewbs& co. coming next, what's on? coming up next, what's on? i want to montpellier. i'd want to go to montpellier. i'd love montpellier . i love to go to montpellier. i don't that shirt. don't want that shirt. >> where you know, what >> i know where you know, what can let's go. can we do? let's go. let's go. we broadcast from there. can we do? let's go. let's go. we gb broadcast from there. can we do? let's go. let's go. we gb montpellier. from there. >> gb montpellier. >> gb montpellier. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> live now from >> coming to you live now from our bureau, we'll our montpellier bureau, we'll come with a catchy and come up with a catchy title and that will work on that can't we will work on it. >> take that as >> we'll take that away as homework. but yeah, want homework. but yeah, i want to get of things tonight, get into lots of things tonight, but i'm also pondering this

social attitudes survey thing. yes, great, isn't it? yes, it's all great, isn't it? we're all progressive and we're all very progressive and liberal, all so than ever. liberal, all more so than ever. women are no longer chained to the they're out the kitchen sink. they're out behind bars talking behind breakfast bars talking about the news. we've come a long . yeah, the dishes are long way. yeah, the dishes are stacking up at home. i can tell you. anyway, the point is, gay marriage and absolutely acceptable. now abortion acceptable. now abortion acceptable. all these kind of different things. this direction of travel of society. but i'm pondenng of travel of society. but i'm pondering tonight, is society better for these developments or not? >> okay. >> okay. >> don't say we don't do the deep thinking on the big stuff. yes. >> all right. well, michelle dewberry will be on your screens for the next hour. make sure you stay tuned. thank you very much, everyone. i'll see tomorrow everyone. i'll see you tomorrow at easy at 3 pm. easy >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers proud sponsors up. boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news is . hello of weather on gb news is. hello i'm alex burkill. >> here's your latest. gb news weather update. we have further showers to come as we go through

the next few days and these do bnng the next few days and these do bring the risk of some thunder, the next few days and these do brinwe're risk of some thunder, the next few days and these do brinwe're also )f some thunder, the next few days and these do brinwe're also going e thunder, the next few days and these do brinwe're also going to hunder, the next few days and these do brinwe're also going to havear, but we're also going to have some nights. at the some chillier nights. at the moment heavily under the moment we are heavily under the influence low pressure influence of low pressure sitting of the sitting just to the north of the uk. bringing the uk. this is bringing the blustery and showery blustery weather and showery with this occluded front, bringing of the bringing the focus of the showers parts of scotland showers across parts of scotland and northern as we go and northern ireland as we go through of the day, some through the end of the day, some of these could be quite heavy. also intense also so some heavy, intense downpours developing across parts channel. parts of the english channel. and these could reach some coastal parts in the south—east across more central eastern parts of england. we're going to have could have some clear skies. could turn here. and some turn quite chilly here. and some pockets mist and are pockets of mist and fog are likely as we through the likely as we go through the early of friday, early hours of friday, friday, then a bright, then getting off to a bright, sunny start many of sunny start across many parts of england. but plenty of showers across north—west and across the north—west and western wales and western parts of wales and a cloudier showery picture across parts of scotland and northern ireland. the cloud is going to bubble up across england, so turning bit cloudy as go turning a bit cloudy as we go into afternoon a into the afternoon with a scattering of showers developing, though, notice some bright across bright skies developing across parts scotland and northern parts of scotland and northern ireland. temperatures may be parts of scotland and northern irelana temperatures may be parts of scotland and northern irelana degree ratures may be parts of scotland and northern irelana degree orures may be parts of scotland and northern irelana degree or two may be parts of scotland and northern irelana degree or two compared

down a degree or two compared to today, 18 today, with highs around 18 celsius staying windy across parts of orkney and shetland . parts of orkney and shetland. and later friday, a ridge of high will build in from high pressure will build in from the that's going to the west. so that's going to quieten weather quieten down our weather somewhat, us into somewhat, taking us into a chilly night friday night into saturday, saturday itself, then should fine and should be a largely fine and bright , if not sunny day should be a largely fine and bright, if not sunny day for some. the rain returns in some. but the rain returns in time sunday by looks like time for sunday by looks like things are heating up boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on .

money. i remind you , at this money. i remind you, at this stage we have allegations . only stage we have allegations. only no charges and certainly no proven guilt . what do you make proven guilt. what do you make to this? is it parliament overreach? i think so . am overreach? i think so. am i wrong? and in new footage , keir wrong? and in new footage, keir starmer has admitted that he does not want us to diverge from the eu . what do you make to