money. i remind you , at this money. i remind you, at this stage we have allegations . only stage we have allegations. only no charges and certainly no proven guilt . what do you make proven guilt. what do you make to this? is it parliament overreach? i think so . am overreach? i think so. am i wrong? and in new footage , keir wrong? and in new footage, keir starmer has admitted that he does not want us to diverge from the eu . what do you make to

the eu. what do you make to that? and from attitudes to gay sex and single parent thing to views on abortion and the role of women in the home? britain is now more liberal than ever. yes, thatis now more liberal than ever. yes, that is good news. but is it always a good thing? is society better for you? tell me. we'll have it to all come and more. but before we get into it, let's grab tonight's latest headlines . michelle thank you. >> good evening. well, as you've been hearing, the bank of england has left its interest rate unchanged at 5.25. our economics and business editor liam halligan has more. >> we're a couple of hours on now, but at 12 noon today, the bank of england behind me, their monetary policy committee, did make the really important decision interest rates decision to hold interest rates at 5.25. finally, finally , at 5.25. finally, finally, finally, after 14 successive rate rises from 0.1% at the end of 2001, all the way up to 5.25,

the bank of england has finally decided enough is enough and inflation is now coming down and there's no need for now at least to raise rates any more . this to raise rates any more. this will be a huge relief to young families with variable rate mortgages. it will be a huge relief to companies with variable rate loans. it will be a huge relief to many consumers . farmers across the country who have been grappling with high energy bills as liam halligan outside the bank of england earlier on today. >> well, the shadow chancellor rachel reeves, says despite the bank's decision, britain's been left worse off under the tories i >>i -- >> i think there will be a sense of relief, particularly for those who are coming up to the end of their mortgage deals. but let's look at where we are in the bigger picture because somebody coming up to remortgage their house today is looking at paying their house today is looking at paying £220 more a month than they would have done if they had a remortgaged a year ago. so this is still a very challenging time for families and businesses

with the cost of living crisis, which continues to bite . which continues to bite. >> well, homebuyers and borrowers may start to feel the benefits of the bank of england's announcement today. shortly after it was made nationwide, said it will be cutting the majority of its fixed rate mortgages . the fixed rate mortgages. the country's biggest building society will now offer five and ten year fixed rate mortgages of below 5% for first time buyers and home movers away from the economy. the prime minister says hard pressed families shouldn't have to pay an unaffordable price for the uk to reach net zero. but shadow minister for industry and decarbonisation , industry and decarbonisation, sarah jones, says the government's plan to roll back on some climate policies is the wrong decision. rishi sunak, though, insists he won't proceed with plans that could punish motorists and working families . motorists and working families. >> we've been through the numbers and we're absolutely confident that we are on track to international and to hit all our international and domestic targets, which by the way, are world leading. and the reason i have confidence in that

way, are world leading. and the re because we confidence in that way, are world leading. and the re because we've|fidence in that way, are world leading. and the re because we've overdelivered t is because we've overdelivered on all of our carbon budgets to date, despite everyone saying, oh, not them, oh, you might not hit them, we've delivered them. we've over delivered on them. plus that the costs plus we can see that the costs of these new of some of these new technologies are falling far faster people have faster than people have predicted. offshore is predicted. offshore wind is a great example that cost . great example of that cost. today, 70% less than we predicted in 2016. >> the media mogul rupert murdoch is stepping down from his role as chairman of fox and news corporation in a note to staff, the 92 year old said that he and his companies are in robust health and that the battle for freedom of speech has never been more intense . he'll never been more intense. he'll take on the role of chairman emeritus while his son lachlan becomes the sole chairman of both companies. the former soldier , daniel khalife, has soldier, daniel khalife, has pleaded not guilty to escaping from wandsworth prison in london. he's accused of strapping himself to the underside of a food delivery vehicle on september the 6th, sparking a four day manhunt. the 21 year old appeared in court via video link from hmp belmarsh

. more actions needed to crack down on shoplifters . according down on shoplifters. according to the co—op group. it reported the highest ever levels of shop crime and says its food business lost £33 million this year because because of theft and security . the retail chain says security. the retail chain says looting and organised crime are part of the problem. the vast majority of offenders are going unpaid , punished, it says . and unpaid, punished, it says. and lastly, his majesty, the king, has been paying tribute to what he calls the indispensable relationship between the united kingdom and france. on the second day of his state visit to france, his majesty and the queen spent the afternoon visiting a flower market before heading off to notre dame cathedral . earlier, he became cathedral. earlier, he became the only british monarch ever to speak from the senate chamber in paris. speaker in english and in french. he celebrated the friendship and warm familiarity between the two nations, as well as unity on issues like climate change.

>> our two governments are working in partnership to address so many global challenges, and yet , as ever, it challenges, and yet, as ever, it is our people who are the true driving force of our relations . driving force of our relations. ukip our friendship and warm familiarity are fortified by each new connection between us. it is renewed by each new found joy it is renewed by each new found joy in the culture of the other and each reminder of how much we share . share. >> his majesty the king. this is jb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio, and now on your smart speaker. by and now on your smart speaker. by saying play gb news. this is britain's news . britain's news. channel 7:00 tonight. >> alongside me, the co—founder of the campaign group together, alan miller and journalist and broadcaster michael crick. good evening to both of you. just

dunng evening to both of you. just during the headlines there, michael was saying to me, why are we not talking about rupert murdoch? that's murdoch? you're saying that's a big why you're so big story. tell me why you're so bothered rupert murdoch bothered about rupert murdoch saying . saying farewell. >> murdoch in his, >> well, rupert murdoch in his, what, years? 60, 65 years, what, 70 years? 60, 65 years, he's been owning newspapers and so on. he's transformed the media, the around the globe, not least in this country. the sun newspaper , he took over. it was newspaper, he took over. it was an ailing paper for very little circulation transformed it into the best selling paper he founded sky television. some people will argue that he reduced the media to the gutter. and of course, you remember he had to close down news of the world. on the other hand, i think the times newspaper is the best there around best newspaper there is around right and saved that right now. and he saved that probably closure for well, probably from closure for well, the i not to talk the reason i chose not to talk about it today is because i thought actually quite frankly, there's than enough going there's more than enough going on world. on in the world. >> bothered about rupert murdoch? >> had big contribution. >> he's had a big contribution. but you know, sometimes but i think, you know, sometimes you can turn someone into being bigger they are, bigger than they actually are, if possible, some if that's possible, because some of conversations it of the conversations about it always assume that the public

are stupid. often are a bit stupid. that's often been i think been the backdrop. and i think he rated the public. so he actually rated the public. so some of critics missed that point. >> i think he i think he was brilliant at understanding pubuc brilliant at understanding public that public opinion in a way that very few people on the very few other people on the planet tony blair is another planet do. tony blair is another who rare creatures. >> well, you tell me, any interest in the rupert murdoch situation that's how old situation at 92? that's how old he has worked until. situation at 92? that's how old he has worked until . would you he has worked until. would you work until your 90s? but i guess, you know what? if you love what you do, i suspect that old saying that if you love what you do, you don't work a day in your life. is that true? you get in touch. give me all your thoughts. i've got a bumper thoughts. but i've got a bumper show coming up for you tonight. i want to talk to you about what on our parliament on earth some of our parliament ontarians are up to telling companies be companies that they should be withdrawing the income from people been accused of people that have been accused of wrongdoing. do you agree with that? very that? it makes me very uncomfortable. i tell you. i uncomfortable. i can tell you. i want i also want to look at that. i also want to look at that. i also want to look at that. i also want to talk to you about what keir starmer has been up to, saying that basically we shouldn't from shouldn't diverge much away from eu. suspicious to eu. sounds a bit suspicious to me, a little bit like we might

be edging our way closer to joining again eu. your joining again the eu. your thoughts and also liberal society party. there's a big survey out is good survey out today. is it a good thing society is way more thing that society is way more liberal than it perhaps ever used to be? vaiews@gbnews.com is how you get a hold of me. or you can tweet me at gb news. but top story you'll be familiar with last night. rishi with this from last night. rishi sunak. of course he did what some were saying like a big shock . basically shock announcement. basically you lot of net zero you turning on a lot of net zero stuff. he was pushed into that announcement, i would say, because leaks. so had to because of leaks. so he had to bnng because of leaks. so he had to bring thoughts for forward. bring his thoughts for forward. he's in trouble for so many he's been in trouble for so many reasons today , but not least reasons today, but not least because there's the accusation that actually he's jeopardised, that actually he's jeopardised, that of reaching net zero that target of reaching net zero by 2050. while i'm talking, i will just remind you guys that some of the things that he was suggesting in his announcement last night, i shall start with you, alan miller . last night, i shall start with you, alan miller. this last night, i shall start with you, alan miller . this whole you, alan miller. this whole let's pick up the big criticism mainly about this net zero, 2050 target. is that in jeopardy because of these decisions

yesterday ? yesterday? >> well, rishi has tried to double down and say that he's still going to meet that criteria, but frankly, it should go . i mean, on the one hand, go. i mean, on the one hand, britain's far further than anyone down road, but anyone else down this road, but the net zero is a term. but when we look at what it actually means, it means an attack, an assault on working people. and it we're to it means that we're going to have further, further impositions got impositions and cuts. we've got all sorts of restrictions and nudges. there's surveillance associated with it. we've seen everything from roadblocks to the 15 minute cities without provision public transport and services to but actually much more about a surveillance kind of state. i think the public now are seeing this. they're furious about it. recognising that about it. he's recognising that the are going be the polls are going to be impacted by it, which is of impacted by it, which is one of the reasons doing it. and the reasons he's doing it. and frankly, we need a public discussion where everyone's engaged the next engaged with a view for the next 100 about energy 100 years about energy in dependence growth and dependence and about growth and innovation and about limits innovation and not about limits and restrictions. >> having a public >> we're having a public discussion in your engaged, so let your thoughts on it. let me know your thoughts on it. do you agree with alan?

>> agree with very little of >> i agree with very little of that. oh it shows what a that. oh i think it shows what a weak and feeble prime minister rishi when became rishi sunak is. when he became prime had high hopes prime minister, i had high hopes of thought was going of him. i thought he was going to better than truss and to be better than truss and johnson may, he's just johnson and may, and he's just as bad as them. a strong prime minister, a strong patriotic prime kick the prime minister doesn't kick the can down the road. he redoubles his efforts and says, look, we've got to reach this target, we've got to reach this target, we've got to reach this target, we've got do in such a way we've got to do it in such a way that reduces the cost to people. and got maintain our and we've got to maintain our role as leading the world in this matter . and we've also got this matter. and we've also got to maintain our reputation for sticking to agreements when we when make he's trashed when we make them. he's trashed all that. so what? so what? all of that. so what? so what? >> what does it matter? like you're saying? well, i'll tell you're saying? well, i'll tell you why. >> so what? >> so what? >> because we the world. >> because we lead the world. who world stage who cares about the world stage when here literally can't afford. >> so you don't care about people who live in the maldives or islands the indian or in islands in the indian ocean in the pacific where ocean or in the pacific where the where where, where the tides are about reputation are about our reputation on the world stage. yes, our reputation on stage matters as on the world stage matters as well. we don't stick to

well. if we don't stick to agreements, why would anybody well. if we don't stick to agreemeragreement uld anybody well. if we don't stick to agreemeragreement uld aus?ody well. if we don't stick to agreemeragreement uld aus? he's make an agreement with us? he's quite interesting because outside it. outside you were saying it. >> wouldn't good if people >> wouldn't it be good if people ever they changed their ever said they changed their mind? might say mind? and maybe he might say that changed his mind on that he's changed his mind on this? i don't actually think he's changed mind. i think he's changed his mind. i think he's changed his mind. i think he's to the electorate he's appealing to the electorate because just like because he knows not just like with not just ulez with uxbridge, not just ulez and cars and emission zones cars and low emission zones around the country. people are furious having furious that they're having these limits and restrictions imposed on them. net zero is a blunt is a blunt tool. the way we solve the problems in the world to have a dynamic world is to have a dynamic wealth creation, to have investment in infrastructure, research , but research and development, but not limits ever not having limits ever increasing sort of sustainable targets that reduce our ability by people who fly around in jets and limousines and say they say, do as i say and not as i do. it's unacceptable. well, it's pushing down the actual cost, the living standards of people, particularly in a cost of living crisis. and i think the british pubuc crisis. and i think the british public are aware of it. that's why it together we've got a campaign that's saying no to net zero and we're going to push

this for the whole year. >> i think you'll find that polls actually show that the british support net british public's support net zero of zero zero and the target of net zero by 2050, but i agree with you on the economic front what's the economic front and what's happened messing happened here is he's messing around the energy around people in the energy industry, who are making industry, people who are making electric cars by delaying these targets. around targets. he's messing around industry. another industry. and it's another example of how the conservative party conservative party and the conservative government with government have lost touch with british industry and british businessmen. and we this businessmen. and we have this extra ordinary thing the extra ordinary thing where the labour more in touch labour party is more in touch with british industry and so on. and with about people and i agree with about people flying time. flying around all the time. rishi is in and out of rishi sunak is in and out of that helicopter whizzing around the time. why the country all the time. why can't he go by train? >> why can't he go by train? when was the time you tried when was the last time you tried to great distance travelling ? >> 7. >>i e”; k- em— 5 up by train. all all >> i go up by train. all all i go on the train about twice a week. i mean, i was in there frequently are delayed. but can you imagine? planes are frequently delayed as well. you try to the centre of try and get to the centre of i'll do i'll do a little film. right we'll we'll leave right we'll leave we'll leave here we'll leave. here now. delayed we'll leave. i'll do the i'll tell we'll do after the program we'll to the program 6:00. we'll go to the

centre manchester. i'll go by centre of manchester. i'll go by train and go by plane. let's train and you go by plane. let's see who gets there first. >> it private plane? alla >> is it a private plane? alla rishi sunak ? rishi sunak? >> have to order. >> well, you'd have to order. you'd to one now, you'd have to order one now, wouldn't you? see? >> what. this is what >> this is what. this is what i think is like, ridiculous. why is the minister of this is the prime minister of this country get on? i don't country going to get on? i don't know. avanti west coast? know. the avanti west coast? i don't know. 10 or 7 to try and get a meeting. >> avanti west coast 10 or 7. i travel on those trains a lot. i'm a united supporter. i go up for football games. i've got other commitments in manchester. they, they, they may be slightly other commitments in manchester. theythese they may be slightly other commitments in manchester. theythese they but' be slightly other commitments in manchester. theythese they but actually1tly late these days, but actually the service is pretty good on other it's worse, other lines. it's worse, i admit. but on the west coast, if you travel by train, you'd know this. >> but what you're pointing to is yeah, hang on. i am from is the. yeah, hang on. i am from hull and i travel from hull to london often. >> it got to the it got to the hull. >> trains are a bit worse. >> trains are a bit worse. >> it got to the point actually where some of my travelling was so bad. no i don't want to be on rail replacement buses with all my kid. no, i don't my cases and my kid. no, i don't want to stuck in doncaster want to be stuck in doncaster

for knows how long because for god knows how long because i've missed connection. so i've missed the connection. so then i moved. heaven forbid back i've missed the connection. so th>— >> i'm not anti car. >> i'm not anti car. >> i drive myself car since i last you. last spoke to you. >> no, i haven't done no right. >> no, i haven't done no right. >> okay, well, it's our car anyway, be decision anyway, so it'll be a decision made people. made by two people. >> you. >> you. >> you. >> you saying that you >> you were saying that you think is a weak. a sign think it is a weak. it's a sign of weakness. it is a sign that somebody listened the somebody is listened to the electorate wherever their driving force. >> because let me just show you, i think that's what the electorate both electorate are saying. you both saying electorate are saying. you both sayielectorate are saying the electorate are saying that. >> show what zac >> let me show you what zac goldsmith, not happy. so i goldsmith, he's not happy. so i think can bring his tweet up. think i can bring his tweet up. he's basically saying beyond belief referencing, belief and he's referencing, you know, was saying belief and he's referencing, you knov he was saying belief and he's referencing, you knov he scrapped was saying belief and he's referencing, you knov he scrapped meets saying belief and he's referencing, you knov he scrapped meet taxes,ig that he scrapped meet taxes, scrapped sharing that he scrapped meet taxes, scrappe the sharing that he scrapped meet taxes, scrappe the rest sharing that he scrapped meet taxes, scrappe the rest of sharing that he scrapped meet taxes, scrappe the rest of it, sharing that he scrapped meet taxes, scrappe the rest of it, he'sharing and all the rest of it, he's basically saying that these policies sunak has policies that rishi sunak has basically apparently basically u—turned on apparently didn't even exist in the first place. saying that place. so he's saying that this is basically out and out is just basically out and out politicking become is just basically out and out prwedgeig become is just basically out and out prwedgeig to become is just basically out and out prwedgeig to basicallycome a wedge issue to basically emulate of the division. emulate some of the division. allen on the allen that's going on in the states that over states and bringing that over here. with that? here. do you agree with that? >> i don't agree with

>> well, i don't agree with that. the about that. i mean, the thing about the culture wars and the division in states, it's division in the states, it's very actually very problematic. but actually it more the of it takes much more the form of republican within republican and democrat within that, in there that, whereas in the uk there are more independent are far more independent campaigning and others. are far more independent campaigwelg and others. are far more independent campaigwe know and others. are far more independent campaigwe know there'si others. are far more independent campaigwe know there's overzrs. are far more independent campaigwe know there's over 30% there's we know there's over 30% of that are saying they of people that are saying they do mainstream do not trust the mainstream political parties. there's an appetite for actual serious discussion . the problem is the discussion. the problem is the technocrats of blue red , yellow technocrats of blue red, yellow and green are contemptuous of the public. they think that they can just spin these platitudes that we can have a bit of nudge. they're the smart ones . for all they're the smart ones. for all the crass, silly public, they consuming they're a bit consuming and they're a bit toxic , they have things toxic, they need to have things done them and really done to them and what really needs contrary to mr needs to happen contrary to mr goldsmith's view, is that we need to put the public front and centre. you imagine the kind centre. if you imagine the kind of of the of a festival of britain, the kind of great exhibition idea of the next 100 years where we want to that means serious to be, that means serious discussions resources , discussions about resources, innovation, technology, infrastructure for planes for everyone , right transformation, everyone, right transformation, new types of energy, tidal wave, great nuclear opportunities. the ones we haven't created. you

can't do that when we have a sustainable outlook and limits to growth, a kind of we've gone too far and net zero. it's unacceptable. it's punishing to working people and we need to dispense it and start dispense with it and start afresh planes for everyone. >> everyone is to >> yes. so everyone is going to have aeroplane. have their own aeroplane. >> drones the >> can i have drones like the jetsons? actually jetsons? and actually uber experimented in experimented with that in melbourne. see, isn't experimented with that in melcarbon see, isn't experimented with that in melcarbon consumption, isn't experimented with that in melcarbon consumption, thet the carbon consumption, the carbon from are carbon emissions from that are going even greater? going to be even greater? >> i mean you >> well, maybe. i mean you probably i suspect, don't probably early, i suspect, don't think a problem at all think there's a problem at all about carbon climate change, do you? what i think is that you? well what i think is that we've got a serious problem, which is that we've become completely stricken. completely panic stricken. >> no, but on >> we've become no, no, but on the change, you think >> we've become no, no, but on the climate:hange, you think >> we've become no, no, but on the climate change you think >> we've become no, no, but on the climate change is. you think >> we've become no, no, but on the climate change is. i'll think that climate change is. i'll tell you what. i'll tell you what i think the to what i think. i think the way to solve any problems that we have, which always along human which always come along in human society is to innovate, invest and have technology. >> not with that. we >> but not i agree with that. we all with that. you all agree with that. but do you believe think we don't believe do you think we don't all climate change problem. >> don't agree with it. >> we don't all agree with it. >> we don't all agree with it. >> i've asked you three >> because i've asked you three times now, i'll up to four. times now, i'll go up to four. is change a problem? is climate change a problem? >> it do are you

>> is it do you are you concerned about climate change or well, that's general question. >> think there are >> i mean, i think there are issues happen with climate, issues that happen with climate, but extent where but not to the extent where we're fearing we're we're fearing stt. and we're told boiling and told it's global boiling and we're die with we're all about to die with armageddon. there armageddon. absolutely. there are the world where it are parts of the world where it is pretty hot these days and you know not least this know it not not least this country, he said week country, he said last week on my program to be program that we're going to be potentially frying people, potentially frying well, people, if i didn't mean literally frying, mean that the frying, but i did mean that the areas equator are areas around the equator are going to be it's going be going to be it's going to be unbearable to live there. >> that >> well, guess what? and that people there people who do live there will want to come, will want to go north, that the problem of north, and that the problem of mass greater. mass migration will be greater. but i notice, alan, that you still have an answer to the question. i mean , it's almost question. i mean, it's almost getting excuse me. getting to paxman excuse me. >> it's my program, not yours . >> it's my program, not yours. i'm right. >> will you ask him the questions then? i will. >> i'll ask him >> excuse me. i'll ask him whatever i want . whatever questions i want. listen, up with listen, i've come up with a solution. come with solution. i've come up with a solution. i've come up with a solution everything. solution for everything. everyone there when it comes everyone out there when it comes to you're to climate change. if you're concerned michael concerned like what michael is, give don't fly give up your cars, don't fly anywhere. eat less meat. right. and then let's see what that

does to the climate emissions. and then maybe we can reassess some the targets and everyone some of the targets and everyone else board. they can else is not on board. they can perhaps afterwards if perhaps come afterwards if indeed need. indeed there is still the need. give thoughts on all of give me your thoughts on all of it. i've got lot to it. look, i've got a lot to come. uh, right. i want to talk to you about parliament. i want to you about parliament. i want to talk to you about brexit. and i want to talk to you about how liberal we are and whether or not good i'll see not it's a good thing. i'll see you

radio. with you till 7:00. >> alyssa says, can you ask your panel >> alyssa says, can you ask your panel, please? have they got electric cars or a heat pump? >> no. >> no. >> have you got an electric car or a heat pump? >> heat pump? electric >> heat pump? not an electric car. you've a heat pump? car. you've got a heat pump? >> was that choice or >> yeah. was that by choice or was it like inspired by environment or it because environment or was it because you that legislation you felt that legislation was about what you about to come in? what made you get pump? get a heat pump? >> those things, >> all of those things, yeah, just was the economic just that it was the economic thing to do and concern for the environment and eventually we'll

get electric car. but at the get an electric car. but at the moment can't afford one. but moment we can't afford one. but you know, if you keep having me on the show, i was just about to say cards, right? >> attention when tell you >> pay attention when i tell you to you're thinking up and to wind, you're thinking up and you could booked john you could be booked again, john says warming is says michelle. global warming is real, but we'll get you a battery at least global warming is real, but our actions are just to make ourselves feel good, says john. dean. says i'm not falling for all this net zero farce. there's a few people making an absolute fortune out of all of this. and we are the mugs that are paying it. it's all falling heaviest on the shoulders that can least afford it. i absolutely hear you on that. it. i absolutely hear you on that . now, listen, this i it. i absolutely hear you on that. now, listen, this i think is a very important topic because a parliamentary select committee has been busy sending letters to a variety of companies basically, one in particular has really caught people's eye that it's the dcms , basically the select committee there. and they have written to a platform called rumble. if you

don't if you don't know what that is, worry not. it's basically to simplify. it's just like a website basically which will host your video content and allow you to make money from it. and it all centres around russell brand . and now if i can, russell brand. and now if i can, i shall bring this letter up for you, but i'll pick on, not pick on you , but i'll start with you on you, but i'll start with you too, alan. the nuts and bolts of this, right. and it's been sent out by the chair of the culture media and sport committee and what they're asking, they reckon that they're asking questions, which i'm a bit suspicious of. there's not a single question mark here, but there is a few mark on here, but there is a few statements that concern me. and the essence is about, and the essence of it is about, and i concerned that i quote, we are concerned that he able to profit from he may be able to profit from his on the platform. so his content on the platform. so what they're trying to do, if you ask me, is trying to and let me just make a point. you ask me, is trying to and let me just make a point . this is me just make a point. this is not about what the allegation is, that russell brand, i don't want to get into those because to me, it's not about that. this could be anybody and these could be any allegations as this is

about of should about the principle of should parliamentarians trying to parliamentarians be trying to put on private put pressure on to private organisations to get people to lose income at the point lose their income at the point of allegation, when i saw this letter, i made all the people, i got all the people in our organisation to go and check it because i thought it was fake. >> i could not believe it that we've got politicians . this we've got politicians. this shows how naive i can be sometimes as well that are actually trying to instruct at private entities. big tech to take down and demonetise people around allegations . so if i now around allegations. so if i now say something about michael or he says something about me , are he says something about me, are we not going to be able to go and anymore? this is and do things anymore? this is something world of something from the world of stalinism. this is something from tyranny. we've from the world of tyranny. we've just safety bill just had the online safety bill passed the day before yesterday where tech are going to make where big tech are going to make decisions about what be said decisions about what can be said and cant decisions about what can be said and can't be what can be and what can't be what can be expressed. encryption. expressed. no more encryption. this should this and we should remind ourselves that the culture, media and sport department is also unit has the also the unit that has the counter disinfo nation unit, the cdu. another eastern european in

the time of the cold war sounding organisation that's been on journalists, been spying on journalists, pubuc been spying on journalists, public health people, doctors and citizens . public health people, doctors and citizens. this is absolutely outrageous and they would probably deny that if they were here today. this is absolutely outrageous. and what should happen your view is outrageous. and what should haprbelieve your view is outrageous. and what should haprbelieve stronglyyour view is outrageous. and what should haprbelieve strongly about ew is outrageous. and what should haprbelieve strongly about this.; who believe strongly about this. everyone the everyone should let the dcms know , should let this particular know, should let this particular baroness know and should write to the government. we should make we have make sure that we have the ability expression. make sure that we have the alsomeone's expression. make sure that we have the alsomeone's guilty expression. make sure that we have the alsomeone's guilty of:)ression. if someone's guilty of something, let them be tried in the are innocent the courts. we are innocent until proven guilty this until proven guilty in this country and people should not get taken down because this even reinforces much more in my mind. this a whole strategy to this is a whole strategy to cancel someone and shut them down. it's absolutely unbelievable. >> i want to make something absolutely well, absolutely clear as well, because absolutely because i, too, was absolutely i couldn't believe my eyes when i read this letter. >> so i tried very hard to get somebody's idea . chris caroline somebody's idea. chris caroline actually , who wrote the letter? actually, who wrote the letter? who was the chair of that committee? i tried to get her on to stand by this. it wasn't possible . so i tried also to get

possible. so i tried also to get anyone, quite frankly, from that committee to join the conversation to defend this. i mean, what are you thinking? i'd love to ask that question. i wasn't able to get anybody on. michael, thoughts? michael, your thoughts? >> it all wrong >> well, alan's got it all wrong and headlines have it and your headlines have got it all this all wrong because the this letter does not tell these companies to stop, stop, mr brown monetising his content , brown monetising his content, nor as allen used the word does it instruct them it's investing debating whether he's still able to monetise them and expressing some disapproval that he might be able to do so. but it's not instructing. it's not telling. you've gone way over the top , you've gone way over the top, both of you. and i think the culture media sport committee might have some some something to say about that in terms of gb news output. but what i'm saying, they should come off. >> i think it is it is a defend it. >> it is it.- >> it is a it. >> it is a legitimate these are legitimate questions, legitimate areas to explore . and you're areas to explore. and you're

talking about the public mark, on that letter. no, but question. question marks, questions don't always have a questions don't always have a question mark on do you think you know that well, do you think they should be do you think you should ask a question from a genuine curious place to ascertain answer ? ascertain an answer? >> or do think you should ? >> or do you think you should? is that what a question is? >> think i think i think. >> i think i think i think. >> i think i think i think. >> do you think you should? a question be. question should be. >> do. but and think >> yes, i do. but and i think i think i think you go both of you have about respecting have gone on about respecting the the british public here. >> i think m- here. >> i think are exactly the >> i think these are exactly the points the british points that the british public, alan michelle, would want to alan and michelle, would want to know. is russell brands still able to make money out of these sites? now, i would make another point. if they're going to say you can't any you you can't have any more, you can't have more income from can't have any more income from your output, then they should take output down. they take the output down. they shouldn't on making money take the output down. they sho ofin't on making money take the output down. they sho of itt on making money take the output down. they sho of it themselves. aking money take the output down. they sho of it themselves. you; money take the output down. they sho of it themselves. you know ey what? >> let me this to you, >> let me say this to you, michael. me just say this to you. >> i michelle dewberry really, really hope that somebody doesn't make horrendous allegations about you right ?

allegations about you right? >> because so do i. in this society, we have a principle that you are innocent until you are proven guilty. now, you can tell me , as i'm sure this select tell me, as i'm sure this select committee will say, to defend themselves that they are posing questions. if you want to pose a question, then you come at that from an impartial or impartial , from an impartial or impartial, interested point of view . you do interested point of view. you do not pre—empt those questions . not pre—empt those questions. and because the questions they're asking about stuff like can confirm whether or not can you confirm whether or not is able to monetise his content? so is a question you've so that is a question you've pre—empted that question with a previous statement which says we are concerned that he may be able to profit from his content on the platform . what business on the platform. what business of a parliamentary select committee is it? whether or not currently because as alan says, man is earning a living? well you say he's an innocent man. >> we don't know that yet. and also remember, the channel 4 programme had many cases as of russell brand making jokes about

sex and women , which frankly sex and women, which frankly would never get on television. these days. and they certainly wouldn't get on even on your channel and treating, treating, you know, talking, for instance, same way. i mean, for instance, he talked about an obstacle course about how to get a woman to have sex with you as 1—1. >> i don't need any. >> i don't need any. >> the very fact you're saying that the very fact you're saying that the very fact you're saying that makes the point that i think that even if you take away the specific allegations of sexual assault and rape and so on, there is enough that appeared on that programme of behaviour that i think most of the british public, allen, would find unacceptable . find unacceptable. >> well, you know what? here's the because i need to go the thing, because i need to go to a minute. is to the weather in a minute. is heating here. but i will heating up in here. but i will say this right. you everyone out there with kind there that agrees with this kind of you are of notion that if you are a alleged to have had, you know, to have done something, you to have done something, then you know fair game to know what, you are fair game to get entire and all get your entire income and all the rest cancelled at the the rest of it cancelled at the state allegation. i think state of allegation. i think that slippery slope. that is a very slippery slope. and these broadcasters, and all of these broadcasters, by that are now

by the way, that are now conducting all of these investigations all rest investigations and all the rest of michael's point, this of it, to michael's point, this guy, he not make any kind of guy, he did not make any kind of hidden , kind of discreet things hidden, kind of discreet things . he was quite out there with some of his language and his suggestion was people knew that people were comfortable with that. so all of this all. yeah. guess what? we've looked inward. now we're investigating ourselves. anyway look, ourselves. really. anyway look, i guys to be the i shall leave you guys to be the final say on that. maybe bring some sense to this conversation . what do you make to it all? it's heating up in here, as i said. let's see if it is outside or to that warm feeling inside. >> oh, yeah. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hi there. thursdays blustery showers will ease overnight some dner showers will ease overnight some drier and clearer spells , but drier and clearer spells, but also a cool night to come with temperatures widely in the single figures before further showers on friday. now we've lost the persistent spells of rain that we saw earlier in the

week, especially across western parts of the uk. but we've still got number showers got quite a number of showers circulating around an area circulating around an old area of pressure that's sitting of low pressure that's sitting to the north of scotland . and to the north of scotland. and that means there will be further showers especially that means there will be further showestern especially that means there will be further showestern scotland, specially that means there will be further showestern scotland, northern for western scotland, northern ireland, western parts of england and there'll england and wales. and there'll be some showers or some be some showers or even some thunderstorms just running through the channel close to kent times overnight. but kent at times overnight. but inland actually plenty of clear spells and under those clear spells and under those clear spells with light winds , spells with light winds, temperatures falling into the mid high single figures or mid to high single figures or even the low single figures for northern parts of the uk. so a fresh start on friday, but a bright start for many decent spells of sunshine across the midlands eastern england. spells of sunshine across the midainds eastern england. spells of sunshine across the mida time eastern england. spells of sunshine across the mida time the eastern england. spells of sunshine across the mida time the bulk rn england. spells of sunshine across the mida time the bulk of england. spells of sunshine across the mida time the bulk of the .and. for a time the bulk of the showers during the morning will be in the west. they'll move east. odd rumble of thunder east. the odd rumble of thunder in the in eastern england by the afternoon cool day afternoon and it's a cool day compared we've compared with what we've experienced september experienced so far. in september . that leads us on to a frost start in places on saturday, a touch of frost, mid wales northwards in sheltered spots, but actually plenty of sunshine

andifs but actually plenty of sunshine and it's looking like a fair day for the vast majority. the cloud will build into the afternoon, but decent, dry and bright weather lingers on. that is until sunday when persistent rain the west and rain returns to the west and a bit warmer in the south and east. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hi there. well we're just talking about rumble. just before that weather forecast there . response, by the way, there. response, by the way, they were having absolute early none of it when it came to the letter from uk parliament. they called it an extremely disturbing letter. they obviously said that they deplore all this of serious all of this kind of serious allegations and all the rest of it. they pointed out that they feel that alleged victims feel that both alleged victims and are entitled and accused people are entitled to and serious to a full and serious investigation. they said that investigation. an they said that they deeply to they are deeply devoted to the vital defending a free vital cause of defending a free internet. think it is internet. and they think it is deeply inappropriate and dangerous uk parliament dangerous that the uk parliament would attempt to control who is allowed to speak on their platform. and they finished by saying, be

saying, although it may be politically easier politically and socially easier for join a council for rumble to join a council culture mob, doing so would be a violation of the company's values and mission. and we empathetic . we reject the uk empathetic. we reject the uk parliament's demands. good good. alan miller very quick final word to you. >> final word. well michael said just before the break that we don't know if he's innocent or not. english law, you are not. under english law, you are innocent proven guilty. innocent until proven guilty. and final point on this is and the final point on this is that they are saying they are this targeting them. it's an this is targeting them. it's an instruction because they're saying the platform saying we don't the platform to undermine the welfare of victims. know if there undermine the welfare of victvictims know if there undermine the welfare of victvictims yet know if there undermine the welfare of victvictims yet or know if there undermine the welfare of victvictims yet or notn if there undermine the welfare of victvictims yet or not until1ere are victims yet or not until it's proven of inappropriate or potentially illegal behaviour . potentially illegal behaviour. >> so depends on it going to >> so it depends on it going to court, doesn't it? i suspect it won't i suspect won't because i suspect the evidence enough evidence won't be enough for a criminal but won't and criminal trial, but it won't and it won't be enough for russell brand to take a libel action. but he's admitted he's a sex addict. >> i'm not going to sit here and speculate outcomes. speculate on the outcomes. i maintain position . maintain my position. allegations really ? do you allegations really? do you deserve to lose everything

because people have made allegations that may or may not be true ? i don't know. luckily, be true? i don't know. luckily, i'm not the one that has to be the judge of it either. chris as icannot the judge of it either. chris as i cannot stand russell brand or i cannot stand russell brand or i don't like his comedy. and i think he's an awful person, however innocent until proven guilty is absolutely always the way. i'm gonna take a quick break now. when i come back, don't go anywhere. brexit keir starmer. there's a new video about saying basically he about him saying basically he doesn't to us diverge too doesn't want to us diverge too far their rules . and far from their rules. and they also to you, very also want to ask you, we're very liberal days, but liberal society these days, but has it been for the better or not? see you

months is that the climate lobby will start to get even more extreme . whoa extreme. whoa >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry alan miller. i'm michael crick, alongside me. they don't have a moment's rest. these two. i don't think there's much that they agree on at all. i lost the track of it all, but there was even about weapons of mass destruction. and. and blair

and all the rest of it in the break. anyway from one prime minister to potentially one in waiting kiss starmer. he's apparently put his foot in it. he's been caught saying, well, i'll let you listen to what he's been caught saying, shall i? >> most of the conflict with the uk being outside of the uk anses uk being outside of the uk arises in so far as the uk wants to diverge and do different things to the rest of our eu partners . obviously the more we partners. obviously the more we share values , the more we share share values, the more we share a future together, the less the conflict right and actually different ways of solving problems are become available . problems are become available. well i'm sure he said when the uk is outside the uk, obviously he meant the eu . he meant the eu. >> i did hear that correctly. anyway this is all about how closely aligned to the eu should we be. i do feel like when you listen to a bit more of that speech, there's this kind of nofion speech, there's this kind of notion that if come notion that if we come out of the uk and we are you ready?

ready sensitive warning, ready toxic, sensitive warning, trigger warning, if we dare to actually stand on our own two feet, that somehow everything is going to collapse, that somehow britain be to britain cannot be trusted to forge our way in the world. and whatever legislation we create, this somehow this given that it's going to be much worse than the eu was legislation. and i reject that notion. actually, we should have the freedom to define our own way forward, shouldn't we? >> we should that >> well, we should remember that keir said keir starmer is the one who said that that noisy squabbling that all that noisy squabbling in parliament, that terrible noisy not particularly noisy stuff, is not particularly pleasant and it's much nicer in the unaccountable eu the eu. the unaccountable eu that the majority of the people in this country voted to be out of. and it's the eu, not europe. and it's also the case that this is all to do with squandering this sense of independence. for 30 years we've had bureaucrats that have not had to be accountable to the public precisely at point where precisely at the point where they have be. some of them they have to be. some of them are and to re are pushing more and more to re go along. the idea that we don't have to take responsibility and accountability . i think the accountability. i think that the

pubuc accountability. i think that the public wise to this. i think public are wise to this. i think they've also that been they've also seen that it's been squandered some of these opportunities and this is the point at end of the day, we point at the end of the day, we need elected representatives to be them to be accountable. we need them to be accountable. we need them to be responsible and actually we need to be to chart own need to be able to chart our own decisions and not be re entangled with a whole lot of bureaucracy where people say, oh, i can't do this now because this is what they're saying over there. >> michael, the problem about our being outside the eu is that if we diverge from eu standards in much of the all much of the markets that british industry wants to sell to in the eu, then we're not going to be able to sell to them because they're they require us if we're going to sell our goods in europe to meet their standards . so it meet their standards. so it makes sense for britain to go along with eu standards . you no, along with eu standards. you no, it's our choice . we can it's our choice. we can independently say, right, well we'll scrap them all. well, you won't actually make many sales in europe. you'll end up having to elsewhere. it's

to do your sales elsewhere. it's purely a pragmatic thing, and i suspect now well, i don't just suspect. polls now suggest that the british public that alan keeps going on about and keeps maintaining his he's on the pulse of the british public. the british public are actually rather regretting leaving the eu . starmer has caught the climate there and we will see what happens. >> make that statement, then start talking about starmer. how do you know that? british people. >> well, made a statement >> well, you made a statement saying his in it. saying he'd put his foot in it. how do know that? the how do you know that? the british ofcom are on british remember ofcom are on your case. >> p— p“ your case. >> know question. your case. >> know what?juestion. god. your case. >> know what? goodyn. god. your case. >> know what? good for god. your case. >> know what? good for ofcom. yd. you know what? good for ofcom. we regulated the same we are regulated in the same way. there's a lot of people way. and there's a lot of people out any backbone out there. they had any backbone to not letting you . you to do. i'm not letting you. you might be able to make these snide comments in other places, but you don't them on my but you don't make them on my watch. afraid are. watch. i'm afraid we are. you had backbone? are had any backbone? we are regulated. if they had any backbone , what if they had any backbone, what if they had any backbone, what if they had any backbone to regulate you properly? >> i see that. mrs. mrs. >> and i see that. mrs. mrs. diane, i've said that i did finish the sentence . right. it finish the sentence. right. it ended with the word properly. right >> i be absolutely clear .

>> i will be absolutely clear. right. i'm not having this. i'm being i'm having this right. >> i'm not having this. >> i'm not having this. >> be patronising to me, >> don't be patronising to me, michael. are you off my sir? i'll that if you want. i'll tell you that if you want. >> i'll go now. >> i'll go now. >> if you want to go now, go >> no, if you want to go now, go now. i'll talk to alan miller. >> but i mean, look at it, you two attack me non—stop up. you're not an impartial presenter you're presenter here. you're constantly . constantly. >> behaving like an >> you're behaving like an adolescent. attack me. adolescent. you to attack me. >> i'm going. i'm going. >> i'm going. i'm going. >> you're going. right. well, i'll take over then. well, no. >> excuse i know you think >> excuse me. i know you think you're hilarious, going you're hilarious, but i'm going to for no reason other you're hilarious, but i'm going to we've for no reason other you're hilarious, but i'm going to we've wasted reason other you're hilarious, but i'm going to we've wasted all|son other you're hilarious, but i'm going to we've wasted all ofn other you're hilarious, but i'm going to we've wasted all of ourher than we've wasted all of our time we could have been time when we could have been having constructive, having a constructive, productive conversation about brexit i would have really brexit and i would have really liked have been instead, liked to have been instead, we've around, we've been messing around, talking about ofcom. let's go to a break and i'll

in two. hi there, this is dewbs& co. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me. i've not kicked him out. the

co—founder ? well, no. i was co—founder? well, no. i was about to say i've not kicked him out. the co—founder together campaign group, alan miller, is alongside the alongside me, as is the journalist and broadcaster michael crick. we've just done a group two minutes meditation and calmed ourselves down, respectful debate will resume because the british attitude survey , this is all about survey, this is all about basically a long standing survey. it's about how attitudes have shifted and changed within our society. it looks at things like how liberal we are becoming now. there's some interest thing, things that jumped out to me. i'm just going to share with you some the key points from you some of the key points from this survey. let me bring them up the screen, if possible. up on the screen, if possible. so i'll just share some so michael, i'll just share some of these. so we compare, for example , the 80s to 2022. example, from the 80s to 2022. the who want children . do the people who want children. do you think that they should be married? 70% in the 80s said, yeah, you should have kids within marriage, 24% in 2022. should you be able to have an abortion? a woman, 37% said yes in 1980 and 76% said yes in

2022. when it comes to women staying at home and guys being the one that go out and earn the money, less than 50% said said yes to that. in the 80s and now 9% in 2022. so we're definitely more liberal in lots of different ways. is that always a good thing? >> well, it depends what you mean by liberality. i mean, if liberality means people are more selfish, less considerate of their neighbours of the community, 80 of the world of the planet , community, 80 of the world of the planet, and it's not a good thing if it means greater that gay people can live up persecuted un prosecuted, un beaten up, live free and liberal lives like the rest of the community. that is to be welcomed and most of the all the things on the list that you read out there are to be welcomed . out there are to be welcomed. but there are aspects of a more liberal world which do worry me. like well as i say, if it like what? well as i say, if it means that people are more selfish, they're less considerate , they're less, they

considerate, they're less, they feel they know how to have dufies feel they know how to have duties responsibilities , duties and responsibilities, things that they can just do what they want , a form of what they want, a form of extreme liberality . then i think extreme liberality. then i think that it would be a grossly retrograde step . retrograde step. >> see, i think there's an issue which is i'm a big subscriber that in private sphere, people should be able to do exactly what they want, providing they're not harming other people . it should really no be of . and it should really no be of no interest to anyone else. however we've an that however we've got an issue that all tradition and culture and all of tradition and culture and the history now under attack the history is now under attack in the sense of universal principles. what michael might be civic be talking about virtues, civic engagement , the whole sense of engagement, the whole sense of purpose. where are we going as a society, in ourselves , society, a belief in ourselves, a one another. now a sense of one another. now that's not still to say my mum fell recently, and that's not still to say my mum fell eight ently, and that's not still to say my mum fell eight people and that's not still to say my mum fell eight people helped|d that's not still to say my mum fell eight people helped her. about eight people helped her. they were remarkable. so we hear all these terrible stories, right? >> got f- right? >> got to tell f— right? >> got to tell us the end >> you've got to tell us the end of story. of the story. >> she's recovering. thank you. she's she's recovering. but it was really heartwarming to see that did really beautiful things who did really beautiful things and touch and they and they got in touch and they helped were so

helped and they were there. so we still have i still maintain that the public and the majority of public really decent of the public are really decent and but we and have good values. but we have an issue about who we are and a purpose, sense have an issue about who we are anvirtues purpose, sense have an issue about who we are anvirtues and purpose, sense have an issue about who we are anvirtues and values. .e, sense have an issue about who we are anvirtues and values. they're|se of virtues and values. they're often attack. there's often under attack. there's a sense we've are rubbish, sense that we've we are rubbish, that people are no good , that that people are no good, that our whole society is based on a utany our whole society is based on a litany of terrible things historically, where all these evil perpetrators of everything rather than having a sense of who we are as a community. and i think that so it's good that we have the ability to do what we want in the private sphere, but it's a real problem now that we've got these this sense of decay in these ideas and worse than that, we've also now got some people who've taken over and had a big influence without democratically discussing it with the public institutions. education and elsewhere that are saying now the new education and elsewhere that are sayingand now the new education and elsewhere that are sayingand if now the new education and elsewhere that are sayingand if yourv the new education and elsewhere that are sayingand if you don't new education and elsewhere that are sayingand if you don't agree truth. and if you don't agree with it, then you're either this or that and you should be cancelled . and another cancelled. and that's another big we can see that in big issue. so we can see that in the based discussion the sex based rights discussion in a of others as well. in a range of others as well. and you, there'll be

and to you, because there'll be lots conversation about lots of conversation about religion, example . religion, for example. >> so the amount of people that would identify themselves as religious, that is decline . religious, that is on decline. and some people will say about traditional family values. so the you know, the unit of families, that is the important family, is the important family, that is the important entity when it comes to children , the people that matter the most are the parents, the people that it comes to that matter when it comes to things final say the things like the final say is the parents. many people would worry that of things seem that those kind of things seem to be eroded, whether it's the religious it's religious aspects, whether it's the values aspect. do you the family values aspect. do you share that or well i mean, share that or not? well i mean, i'm an atheist. share that or not? well i mean, i'm iin atheist. share that or not? well i mean, i'm iin ethink. share that or not? well i mean, i'm iin ethink religion did a lot >> i do think religion did a lot of harm, has done a lot of harm over the centuries. but on the other hand, i think religion was a if it introduced the right values and we're talking about all religions here, they do have the right values. and if that helps people operate ethnic and ethnic and ethical and moral lives and responsible lives and

lives and responsible lives and lives of courtesy and consideration and the kind of world that alan's talking about , great. but the religion did some terrible things as well. now, what was the other aspect of your question? because i would just say that it about the fact because you see when i think fact because you see when i thiryes. >> yes. >> yes. >> no, think the families, the >> no, i think the families, the families families are are an important part of society. and family life is to be welcomed . family life is to be welcomed. on the other hand, i don't think it should be used as it has been in the past as an attack on gay people . gay people. people. gay people. >> yeah. i'm not thinking necessarily about gay people. what about when what i'm thinking about is when you've child , where is the you've got a child, where is the authority for that child? because for me, i think i get to determine what's right for my child, me not a school teacher, not whoever it is, not any institution , not a medical institution, not a medical professional who thinks that my child can somehow give this consent. i believe that as a parent, the buck stops with me for responsibility of my for the responsibility of my child. and the decisions surrounding there are limits, surely. >> mean, you, surely. >> mean, instance >> i mean, if you, for instance , right, my child , i , said, right, well, my child, i

don't think my child should go to school and he should sit at home eating doughnuts. home all day eating doughnuts. i think the state in those think that the state in those circumstances would would have a duty to step in and say, look, your child's got to go to school and got and you're and you've got and you're mistreating them. and you've got and you're miswell,1g them. and you've got and you're miswell, actually, there was >> well, actually, there was something the news today that something in the news today that something in the news today that so many parents saying so many parents were saying actually, kids, actually, that perhaps the kids, they the kids to go. actually, that perhaps the kids, the no. the kids to go. actually, that perhaps the kids, the no. well the kids to go. actually, that perhaps the kids, the no. well shouldids to go. actually, that perhaps the kids, the no. well should also» go. actually, that perhaps the kids, the no. well should also be». >> no. well it should also be noted was king james noted that it was the king james bible majority of bible that got the majority of people in this country to start reading was the reading it was also the reformation created the reformation that created the idea conscience and political idea of conscience and political liberties freedom and the liberties and freedom and the whole idea of justice and everything that underpins our sense norms within that in sense of norms within that in law and in our relationships equality, freedom and those things. >> but on top of that, when nietzsche said god is dead, the whole idea of religion on the one and politics on the one hand and politics on the other, we've now other, we've got this now cavern, this gap where cavern, we've got this gap where people feel part of ideas people don't feel part of ideas . said, truth is your . they said, my truth is your truth. isn't a sense truth. and there isn't a sense of authority about any these of authority about any of these things, principles . things, about the principles. and we do need to and i think we do need to resuscitate sense what we resuscitate a sense of what we and us, the idea the

and us, the idea of the constitution, we the people write people write this because often people mock it and they go, oh, and they of say, well, you they sort of say, well, you know, the litany of the know, the whole litany of the history, terrible history, it's all terrible things happened. and things that have happened. and actually the majority of the things have a remarkable things we have done a remarkable thing, thing, civilisation thing, this thing, civilisation , the , people, civilisation, the whole idea that we can have these freedoms , these these political freedoms, these liberties created this liberties we've created this incredible world and we've got problems , but the we sort it problems, but the way we sort it out once again to have the out is once again to have the majority people in majority of people involved in it and not just have these like technocrats that telling technocrats and all that telling us is the way and we've got us this is the way and we've got to able to do that together. to be able to do that together. >> well, there you go. look, to be able to do that together. >> \aflies:here you go. look, to be able to do that together. >> \aflies when'ou go. look, to be able to do that together. >> \aflies when you're look, to be able to do that together. >> \aflies when you're having to be able to do that together. >> \.ands when you're having to be able to do that together. >> \.and goodnessu're having to be able to do that together. >> \.and goodness gracious1g to be able to do that together. >> \.and goodness gracious me, fun. and goodness gracious me, as it got heated in here tonight, to go and tonight, i need to go and have a lie a bit of lie down. i wonder a bit of cooler. i just want to make a serious point. gb news we stand for respectful debate . we for respectful debate. we believe there are many believe that there are many different sides a story. all different sides to a story. all of them valid. you are a very be valued member of the conversation. we are of course, governed by ofcom in the same way that every body else is. i'm

very proud to work at this channel and i hope that long. may our debate continue . but for may our debate continue. but for now it will not because time has flown and nigel farage is up next, michael crick , thank you next, michael crick, thank you for your company. alan miller thank you for yours to crucially thanks also for spending your last hour with me. have a good night. don't go anywhere. see you tomorrow night. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hi there. thursdays blustery showers will ease overnight some dner showers will ease overnight some drier and clearer spells , but drier and clearer spells, but also a cool night to come, with temperatures widely in the single figures before further showers on friday. now we've lost the persistent spells of rain that we saw earlier in the week, especially across western parts of the uk. but we've still got number showers got quite a number of showers circulating around an area circulating around an old area of pressure that's sitting of low pressure that's sitting to the north of scotland . and to the north of scotland. and that means there will be further showers especially that means there will be further showestern especially that means there will be further showestern scotland, specially that means there will be further

showestern scotland, northern for western scotland, northern ireland, western parts of england wales. there'll england and wales. and there'll be or even some be some showers or even some thunderstorms running thunderstorms just running through to through the channel close to kent at times overnight. but in land, actually plenty of clear spells. and under those clear spells. and under those clear spells with light winds. temperatures falling into the mid to high single figures or even figures for even the low single figures for northern parts of the uk. so a fresh start on friday, but a bright start for many decent spells of sunshine across the midlands into eastern england. for a time the bulk of the showers during morning will showers during the morning will be west. they'll move be in the west. they'll move east. the odd rumble thunder east. the odd rumble of thunder in england the in eastern england by the afternoon a cool day afternoon and it's a cool day compared what we've compared with what we've experienced september experienced so far. in september . where that leads us to on a frosty start in places on saturday. touch of frost mid wales northwards in sheltered spots but actually plenty of sunshine and it's looking like a fair day for the vast majority. the cloud will build into the afternoon, but decent dry and bright weather lingers on. that is until sunday when persistent rain returns to the west, a bit warmer in the south and east.

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