gb news with gb news. >> the top story the bank of england has kept interest rates at 5.25. the bank's governor andrew bailey, saying price rises are slowing faster than expected and should continue to do so. it follows yesterday's better than expected inflation data . but the shadow chancellor, data. but the shadow chancellor, rachel reeves , said today, rachel reeves, said today, despite the announcement, britain has been left worse off under the tories. >> i think there will be a sense of relief, particularly for those who are coming up to the end of their mortgage deals. but that let's look at where we are in the bigger picture because somebody coming up to remortgage their house today is looking at paying their house today is looking at paying £220 more a month than they would have done if they had

a remortgaged a year ago. so this is still a very challenging time for families and businesses with the cost of living crisis, which continues to bite. well borrowers may start to feel the benefits of the bank of england's announcement shortly after the announced nationwide said it would be cutting the majority of its fixed rate mortgages. >> the country's biggest building society will now offer five and ten year fixed rate mortgages of below 5% for first time buyers and homebuyers . as time buyers and homebuyers. as the prime minister says, hard pressed families shouldn't have to pay an unaffordable price for the uk to reach net zero. rishi sunak says he won't proceed with plans that would punish motorists and working people, but shadow minister for industry and decarbonise isation sarah jones. and decarbonise isation sarah jones . says the government's jones. says the government's plan to roll back some climate policies is the wrong decision . policies is the wrong decision. five companies have been hit with fines totalling almost £600,000 for making unwanted calls to elderly and vulnerable

people. they were found to be pressurising people into buying insurance for household appliances like washing machines and fridges. the information commissioner's office says it's fined 16 companies almost £1.5 million since 2021 for similar instances . and in international instances. and in international news this evening, volodymyr zelenskyy has been meeting with president biden at the white house. the ukrainian president is in the united states to garner further backing for the war against russia. congress is bitterly divided over a new military aid package, with many republicans starting to question the high level of support the us has already sent $113 billion in security and humanitarian aid to the country , and the king has the country, and the king has been paying tribute to what he calls the indispensable relationship between the united kingdom and france. on the second day of his state visit, there , his majesty and queen there, his majesty and queen camilla spent the afternoon

visiting a flower market in the rain with their umbrellas before heading on to notre dame cathedral. earlier, he became the first british monarch to speak from the senate chamber in paris. he celebrated the friendship and warm familiarity between the two nations, as well as unity on issues such as climate change. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news . news. channel >> hello and welcome to headliners . your first look at headliners. your first look at friday's newspaper . headliners. your first look at friday's newspaper. i'm andrew doyle joining me tonight are two of my very best friends , josh of my very best friends, josh howie and nick dixon . why did howie and nick dixon. why did you laugh at that? >> scoffed because someone's written that for you to say and you've never said it ever. no, i demanded that they put it in the autocue because that

autocue because i feel that way. >> it was >> the way you said it, it was like. it was like forcing my favourite two of my best. >> company. >> i enjoyed their company. >> i enjoyed their company. >> i enjoyed their company. >> i will not be treated like this. i love you both dearly. you're like family right? you're like family to me, right? we're have look at we're going to have a look at the front pages for friday. the daily leading with daily mail is leading with starmer. of the starmer. let's cut out of the bag brexit betrayal. the bag on brexit betrayal. the telegraph hunt out tax cuts are virtually impossible. the guardian is running with campaigners plan legal challenges to sunaks u—turn on green policies. the mirror for your eyes . only beautician on a your eyes. only beautician on a spy your eyes. only beautician on a spy charge. apparently the sun has bbc shame over flasher brand and finally the daily star save our spam. we'll get to that in a moment. those were your front pages. moment. those were your front pages . okay, we're starting pages. okay, we're starting apparently with the daily mail. josh i know. nick, you've got this one. starmer oh, i thought we were doing financial times. >> i can do the mail if you want. yes, happy to do it.

>> happy to do it. yeah. this is starmer. let's cat out of bag on brexit. right. so brexit. betrayal. right. so they've sound if. oh, they've made it sound as if. oh, and picture of the and there's a picture of the financial times. >> i've got the paper up there. >> which would rather do? >> which would you rather do? >> which would you rather do? >> the daily >> we're looking at the daily mail which is the story mail first, which is the story about keir starmer. right, about keir starmer. all right, happy to do it. >> so this is the moment >> okay. so this is the moment keir starmer is caught on camera saying labour don't to saying labour don't want to diverge make saying labour don't want to di sound make saying labour don't want to di sound like make saying labour don't want to di sound like he's make saying labour don't want to di sound like he's been make saying labour don't want to di sound like he's been caughtake it sound like he's been caught out, like in a dingy hotel hall or a sort of bathroom or in a sort of bathroom or something. he was something. but actually he was on a conference and so on stage at a conference and so it's not really that secret. there's the headline it was he said that he made a mistake first. he said the being first. he said the uk being outside of the uk, i'm not sure how going to work. how that's going to work. and then he said, obviously then you're eu. he you're talking about the eu. he said, values and the said, we share values and the more we share values and a future together, the less the conflict. don't conflict. he said. we don't want to want to diverge. we don't want to lower standards on food, environment, etcetera. so it's just everyone and just what everyone knows and suspects he's going to bring us more line with the more and more in line with the eu. >> is he though? i mean, he is, but he the architect of that but he was the architect of that that the that people's referendum, the thing disaster thing that was an utter disaster

for for there's no way for labour for there's no way he's going to walk that back, is he? he's not he's not trying for brexit by stealth is he. he? he's not he's not trying for bre he's' stealth is he. he? he's not he's not trying for bre he's beenlth is he. he? he's not he's not trying for bre he's been very, he. he? he's not he's not trying for bre he's been very, very clear. >> he's been very, very clear. >> he's been very, very clear. >> labour says we are not rejoin joining single market. joining a single market. >> eu >> we're not rejoining the eu in any way right. >> we're not rejoining the eu in anyally right. >> we're not rejoining the eu in anyall he's�*it. >> we're not rejoining the eu in anyall he's basically saying is >> all he's basically saying is essentially they're essentially these guys, they're our bloc. our biggest trading bloc. >> right us and our biggest trading bloc. >> don't right us and our biggest trading bloc. >> don't rigito us and our biggest trading bloc. >> don't rigito lower us and our biggest trading bloc. >> don't rigito lower standards we don't want to lower standards and the tories haven't. >> tories and as they say >> the tories and as they say here, if the tories have plans to lower working, working standards people standards for people or environmental or environmental standards or whatever it is, actually that one, they did but point one, they did do. but the point is want to trade with these people. >> well, just ultimately , i >> well, just ultimately, i think just in purely self—interested terms, why would he that? because it he go back on that? because it would filmed. would be he's being filmed. >> yeah. >> he's not. yeah. >> as nick says, you don't trust him, that the thing? >> as nick says, you don't trust hinof that the thing? >> as nick says, you don't trust hinof not. the thing? >> as nick says, you don't trust hinof not. whether? >> of course not. whether whether starmer or whether >> of course not. whether wh> of course not. whether wh> of course not. whether wh> of course not. whether wh

different. it's going to be harder get supply chains from harder to get supply chains from china like that. so china and things like that. so we're going to have different trading partners and actually we're have end up we're going to have to end up relying the eu and what relying on the eu and what labour do. could be ten labour will do. it could be ten years. they'll say want years. they'll say we want to bnng years. they'll say we want to bring in the eu will bring us back in and the eu will say, how badly britain say, look how badly britain did without a mutual without us and it'll be a mutual thing they'll just we'll without us and it'll be a mutual thin end they'll just we'll without us and it'll be a mutual thin end up1ey'll just we'll without us and it'll be a mutual thin end up back just we'll without us and it'll be a mutual thin end up back inst we'll without us and it'll be a mutual thin end up back inst isemi back in. >> it's bound to happen. we had too deal then. too good a deal then. >> we're not going to be going back in. there's difference back in. there's a difference between them between aligning with them as our also then our neighbours and also then going in. they're very going back in. they're very clear about not going in. i don't go don't think we're going to go back don't think you know back in. i don't think you know what do, josh? back in. i don't think you know thwe'll do, josh? back in. i don't think you know thwe'll watch osh? back in. i don't think you know thwe'll watch this�* in ten >> we'll watch this clip in ten years ten years time and years time, ten years time and you'll your hat because you'll eat your hat because the people think going people that think we are going back people who work back in are the people who work in bank england back in are the people who work in a bank england back in are the people who work in a kind bank england back in are the people who work in a kind of bank england back in are the people who work in a kind of extendedanland back in are the people who work in a kind of extended blob. d and a kind of extended blob. >> vehemently we're >> they vehemently think we're going back in. and it's an article of religious faith for them. they think starmer starmers save us starmers coming back to save us all. service all. so if the civil service and the extended think it, the extended blob all think it, it don't think it will happen, i don't think that go back. that we will go back. >> if there was another referendum, think it referendum, i don't think it would to be honest. would go that way, to be honest. >> that. but what >> i just think that. but what he's is to include

he's calling for is to include improve trade relations. >> that's a good thing. >> that's a good thing. >> then we're >> that's a good thing. >> to then we're >> that's a good thing. >> to go then we're >> that's a good thing. >> to go to then we're >> that's a good thing. >> to go to the then we're >> that's a good thing. >> to go to the financialre going to go to the financial times. josh, this is kind of a big story. three. yes. >> so end of an era as murdoch hands of media empire hands reins of media empire to josh no son. ah, josh howie no elder son. ah, there go. so there's there we go. so there's a picture on front picture of him on the front looking and looking like a pug. and we're doing doing doing a story on we're doing a story pugs. later looks story on pugs. later he looks very be resigning. very happy to be resigning. he's 92 old. respect that he 92 years old. respect that he got there, but it is it'll be interesting to see if he sort of sticks his nose out of british politics, because even a few weeks found out, like last weeks we found out, like last week, i think that when rishi sunak going stepping sunak was going to be stepping down from the from down and resigning from the from the last government under johnson, stepped johnson, he basically stepped and , don't do it. don't and said, no, don't do it. don't do that's incredible. do it. that's incredible. the power has. do it. that's incredible. the povi'm has. do it. that's incredible. the povi'm surprised s. you >> i'm surprised to hear you praise , even in praise rupert murdoch, even in one you know that he's one way. you know that he's reached an old age. >> whatever . like i'm reached an old age. >> whatever. like i'm a fan >> whatever. like i'm a big fan of succession. maybe maybe the bnan of succession. maybe maybe the brian element. brian cox element. >> the truth is, though, that this is a man who has changed the media landscape globally more else . a lot of more than anyone else. a lot of people would say damage the media landscape quite irreparably. >> we've not meant to talk about

talk tv on this. >> let's not mention that. but the thing is, though, nick, you know, the amount of power that he invested , political power he invested, political power within the media, fact that within the media, the fact that when tony blair becomes leader of first of the opposition, the first thing fly across thing he does is fly across the world murdoch's yacht world to rupert murdoch's yacht to mean, this to have a meeting. i mean, this kind suggests that, you kind of thing suggests that, you know, hasn't necessarily know, this hasn't necessarily been media, it? been good for the media, has it? >> that, andrea, >> some would say that, andrea, but that but there was rumours that he might over talk might one day take over talk tv. so talk tv. gb which one are so not talk tv. gb which one are we? gb news so i just i have to be careful case ever be very careful in case it ever happens because want to happens because i just want to say welcome our new say i would welcome our new murdoch overlords if that ever happens. that happens. i just want to get that in you say, it in now. but like you say, it can't it can't too be good can't be it can't too be good that one person has that much power. i do that. was power. i do get that. and it was the inspiration for succession, except one really the inspiration for succession, excepin one really the inspiration for succession, excepin succession one really the inspiration for succession, excepin succession .one really the inspiration for succession, excepin succession . like 'eally the inspiration for succession, excepin succession . like they cares in succession. like the whole following the whole world is following the movements how movements of these people. how much followed movements of these people. how mu

a tough son of a gun, but love you, a tough son of a gun, but love youi don't think he's kendall >> i don't think he's kendall roy, though, he? oh, okay. roy, though, is he? oh, okay. >> oh, is he roman? roy, though, is he? oh, okay. >> i oh, is he roman? roy, though, is he? oh, okay. >> i think�*h, is he roman? roy, though, is he? oh, okay. >> i think you he roman? roy, though, is he? oh, okay. >> i think you are roman? roy, though, is he? oh, okay. >> i think you are alienating everyone who watches, who doesn't everyone who watches, who doewell, should watch succession. >> yeah. are they doing? succession. >> not]. are they doing? succession. >> not watching,a they doing? succession. >> not watching, is hey doing? succession. >> not watching, is it? doing? succession. >> definitelying, is it? doing? succession. >> definitely based it? doing? succession. >> definitely based on doing? succession. >> definitely based on the ng? >> definitely based on the murdochs or is that just like a bit of an urban myth for kids? >> it's in the article and it's bit of an urban myth for kids? >>the; in the article and it's bit of an urban myth for kids? >>the article. article and it's bit of an urban myth for kids? >>tthereicle. article and it's bit of an urban myth for kids? >>tthereiclis.article and it's >> there it is. >> there it is. >> must be true. okay. >> so it must be true. okay. we're going move to the we're going to move on to the telegraph cover of telegraph front cover of friday's telegraph. they have a picture they picture of murdoch, but they also about tax also have a story about tax cuts. your favourite topic. it my favourite %—- >> it is my favourite topic and it's tax cuts are virtually it's hunt tax cuts are virtually impossible. doom impossible. good old doom monger. so in monger. hunt again. so he is in a of course. a tricky position. of course. and because the financial situation and because no one likes him and says there's no likes him and he says there's no extra to taxes extra headroom to cut taxes because of the need to prioritise to prioritise the pledge to halve inflation . so they inflation this year. so they have to halve inflation, but they the high interest they have the high interest rates. for our rates. so we have to pay for our debt. course that's debt. and of course that's harder to do when you've got high interest rates. so that's the and the pickle we're in. and he's saying we already knew he was not a of cutting taxes. and saying we already knew he was nottruss, of cutting taxes. and saying we already knew he was nottruss, meanwhile,ixes. and saying we already knew he was nottruss, meanwhile,ixesort1d saying we already knew he was nottruss, meanwhile,ixe sort of liz truss, meanwhile, is sort of doing rounds, doing the rounds, doing interviews, what interviews, saying how she what she and we need she would do and how we need more she would more growth. she says she would have know. >> after she'd cost us 60

billion then she would save us. she looking. she is looking. >> didn't get chance >> we didn't get the chance to implement did we implement her ideas, did we? we just billion. just lost 60 billion. >> better and >> she's looking better and better, though. >> billion. better, though. >> she billion.out, know rates >> she points out, know rates are not lower guilds or whatever mortgages. so actually it's getting and harder to getting harder and harder to blame as time i blame truss as time goes on. i think she looks a bit better than the time. than she did at the time. personally very positive. >> say >> but you know, yeah, we say we're saving 11 we're basically saving 11 billion year the billion this year because of the interest would billion this year because of the interebeen would billion this year because of the interebeen spending would billion this year because of the interebeen spending woul(back have been spending to pay back our debts. our the country's debts. right. that 11 billion people are suffering. now, whether he's holding to do it just holding it back to do it just before the election and we're also a greater also being taxed at a greater rate since war ii. rate than since world war ii. >> okay . well, positive >> okay. well, that's a positive note. end this note. we're going to end this section daily star . josh, section on the daily star. josh, is this josh or nick? >> who's got me? >> who's got me? >> i'll have you want to do because i don't understand. i'm a vegetarian. this of story doesn't. >> well, there's a there's something spam. >> well, there's a there's sonspam; spam. >> well, there's a there's sonspam . spam. >> spam. >> spam. >> spam. >> yeah, i know it. the >> yeah, i know it. from the monty that's monty python sketch. that's about well, there we so >> that's. well, there we go. so save spam. it's save our spam. so it's supposedly it's on the way out. lot consumers or people lot less consumers or people instead are turning their nose at the meaty classic and instead

it says here fancy dans prefer couscous and soy sauce. they're talking about you , andrew, with talking about you, andrew, with your couscous and soy sauce. your couscous and soy sauce. >> your couscous and soy sauce. >> wasn't spam just invented in the war as a kind of cheap thing that they could that would evade the rationing. >> yeah. radar as well. and >> yeah. and radar as well. and those were good inventions . those were good inventions. >> yeah. there go then. spam >> yeah. there we go then. spam and you a fan of and radar. are you a fan of spam, nick? >> i have to i'm i can >> i have to say, i'm not. i can go— >> i have to say, i'm not. i can go as corned beef. go as far as corned beef. i like. you get that key like. you get that little key and it on the side, and you open it and on the side, fun well. fun as well. >> activity. >> the actual activity. >> the actual activity. >> on a mountain, >> and if you're on a mountain, say a snack have say it's a good snack to have and it lasts forever. and and it lasts like forever. and it's nice, but you it's not that nice, but you know, you alive. it's not that nice, but you knoyou you alive. it's not that nice, but you knoyou can you alive. it's not that nice, but you knoyou can fry you alive. it's not that nice, but you knoyou can fry up you alive. it's not that nice, but you knoyou can fry up you aland like >> you can fry up spam and like mix it up with potatoes. >> should you? >> you can but should you? >> you can but should you? >> it's moral question, >> you can but should you? >> it'si moral question, >> you can but should you? >> it'si thinkil question, >> you can but should you? >> it'si think itquestion, >> you can but should you? >> it'si think it lookson, really. i think it looks disgusting. i've never tried it, but looks pretty gross me. but it looks pretty gross to me. >> yeah yeah. >> yeah. yeah yeah. >> yeah. yeah yeah. >> speaking as a herbivore, it's actually. >> it's all right. >> it's all right. >> is it okay? it's all right. all top stories tonight. >> story. >> story. >> that's it for part one. coming up, we've got schools spying right wing spying on parents right wing extremism and anti disestablishmentarianism. see

radio. hello >> welcome back to headliners. your first look at friday's newspapers . i'm andrew doyle newspapers. i'm andrew doyle still here with josh howie and nick dixon. and we're going to kick this section with the kick off this section with the telegraph. josh, a story about pronoun guidance . you've got pronoun guidance. you've got a lot to say about this. yeah this is something i actually know about. >> let's go. let's do it. okay. involve before pupils involve parents before pupils socially transition at school

says nhs england. so this is an official school. part of our government or country coming out and finally giving some guidance because the because the department which department of education, which has they're has been saying that they're meant it earlier meant to have done it earlier this we're going this year, that we're going to finally tell schools what the guidance haven't come out? >> no, they're really dragging their heels. >> no, they're really dragging the really;. their heels. >> really dragging their heels. >> really dragging their heels. >> desperate for >> schools are desperate for it. they to what they're >> schools are desperate for it. they to to what they're >> schools are desperate for it. they to do. what they're meant to do. >> but now we have nhs england, which a ways we cover which in a lot of ways we cover a of stories where you think a lot of stories where you think they're organisation they're a captured organisation and whatnot, but actually this is a very positive development because they're saying that of course need involve course you need to involve parents. but what they're parents. so but what they're saying is so obvious, like involve like involve parents. so it's like saying to schools, know, saying to schools, you know, involve the parents before you give them a tattoo. right. >> mean, the trouble we've got >> i mean, the trouble we've got here, though, is, well, firstly , report, the interim , the cast report, the interim cast said that cast report, which said that social is not social transitioning is not a neutral there are neutral act. there are ramifications as schools are all behaving differently on this and they're sort of just following their own instincts. i know a teacher who told that on the teacher who was told that on the school reports home, was to school reports home, he was to use child's name. but use the child's birth name. but when he talks to the pupil in

class, he's to use the new name and other words, to the and in other words, lie to the parents. the problem parents. so, nick, the problem with this is the government just isn't what they need to give is statutory guidance, not just advice. this is advice. they need to say this is how must behave and how schools must behave and they're doing it. they're not doing it. >> not fair leave they're not doing it. >:ambiguous not fair leave they're not doing it. >:ambiguous not 1let leave they're not doing it. >:ambiguous not 1let the aave they're not doing it. >:ambiguous not 1let the teacher it ambiguous and let the teacher decide by case. yeah, it ambiguous and let the teacher dec workable. by case. yeah, it ambiguous and let the teacher dec workable. i by case. yeah, it ambiguous and let the teacher dec workable. i know:ase. yeah, it ambiguous and let the teacher dec workable. i know they'veih, not workable. i know they've taken too long as well to taken far too long as well to come this guidance come out with this guidance because think teachers because i don't think teachers should any of should have to humour any of this. the parents should have to humour any of th obvious. the parents should have to humour any of th obvious. that'sthe parents should have to humour any of th obvious. that'sthe pare says. is obvious. that's as josh says. i that's, that's one. i mean, that's, that's day one. that's obvious. i that's absolutely obvious. but i don't should have to don't think they should have to go . go along with it. >> but also a number of people are saying that social transitioning can put the child at of actually going a at risk of actually going down a pathway towards further medicalisation . medicalisation. >> yeah, so why are adults encouraging it a classroom encouraging it in a classroom setting? is it? setting? it's not right, is it? >> it's a real problem. why do you josh, that the you think, josh, that the government dragging their government are dragging their heels? it just they're so heels? is it just they're so scared topic? scared of this topic? >> supposedly >> absolutely. and supposedly there and everybody there are some mps and everybody wants the right side of wants to be on the right side of history than just being history rather than just being on the arguably the moral right. you things in like people in you see things in like people in america, children america, you see children removed their in

removed from their parents in america this issue for not america over this issue for not going along with social transitioning you transitioning and whatever, you know , we don't i mean, this know, we don't i mean, this argument has been made a thousand times. tattoos, earrings, thousand times. tattoos, earrings have of input thousand times. tattoos, earringshave of input rightly parents have of input rightly so. so medicalisation, which is what social transitioning can lead to. medicalisation for life of their child, chopping off healthy body parts. yes it's crazy that schools would in any way and there are these external like organisations out there that go in because the schools don't know what to do . they don't know what to do. they bnngin don't know what to do. they bring in pay for these external people like gendered intelligence, whatever, and they people like gendered intelliin nce, whatever, and they people like gendered intelliin and whatever, and they people like gendered intelliin and they ever, and they people like gendered intelliin and they tell, and they people like gendered intelliin and they tell legalthey come in and they tell legal things don't tell parents things like don't tell parents this stuff. >> yeah, this is the other problem is that groups like stonewall, which represent problem is that groups like storas'all, which represent problem is that groups like storas'all, vwould apresent problem is that groups like storas'all, vwould apresitit problem is that groups like storas'all, vwould apresit to be, law as they would like it to be, not actually is . when you not how it actually is. when you don't guidance from the don't have guidance from the government, that's it government, that's clear. it opens to kind opens the doorway to that kind of exploitation . of exploitation. >> absolutely. the thing i'd >> absolutely. the one thing i'd add alludes to it there add and josh alludes to it there is in america, it's even more crazy. thing can is in america, it's even more crazis thing can is in america, it's even more crazis that thing can is in america, it's even more crazis that even thing can is in america, it's even more crazis that even asiing can is in america, it's even more crazis that even as slow can is in america, it's even more crazis that even as slow ithe say is that even as slow as the government's still government's been, we're still ahead as ahead of other countries. as shocking i know it's

shocking as that is, i know it's cold are ahead cold comfort, but we are ahead of a lot of other countries. >> i don't how useful >> but i don't know how useful this mean, it's this nhs guidance. i mean, it's useful, what we useful, but it's not what we have point to at have something to point to at least. it's something. least. yeah, it's something. it's but government it's a start. but the government needs on it, needs to just get on with it, frankly, anyway, we're moving on now nick frankly, anyway, we're moving on now schools nick frankly, anyway, we're moving on now schools taking nick frankly, anyway, we're moving on now schools taking a nick frankly, anyway, we're moving on now schools taking a big( and schools are taking a big brother attitude towards their pupils. >> yeah, it's called to shut down bristol schools use of app to monitor pupils and families. it's an app called think family education app and it's used by more than 100 schools and it allows quite a lot of data. actually. you can track anti—social behaviour, domestic violence incidents , even the violence incidents, even the family's financial situation even. and of course you apparently . apparently, yeah. it apparently. apparently, yeah. it saves access to sensitive personal details about family's financial situation if they're on, know , like school meals. on, you know, like school meals. yeah yeah, yeah. yes. yeah, yeah. so the question is tax statements anything? probably statements or anything? probably not would you not the question is, would you want available? and avon . want that available? and avon. and somerset police are saying it's all perfectly ethical and it's all perfectly ethical and it's helpful. and argument it's helpful. and the argument is to is the parents don't seem to know whereas the

know about it. and whereas the teachers can have this teachers can have all this access, the argument is the teachers you know, teachers can help. you know, children teachers can help. you know, childreand be aware of but of know, and be aware of it. but of course, argument against is course, the argument against is this surveillance this sort of surveillance aspect, of tech. and aspect, the abuse of tech. and you think, does guardian you think, why does the guardian care about that? because they famously to care famously now don't seem to care about overreach. they about tech overreach. they don't care liberties. but care about civil liberties. but in this they do. why? in this case, they do. why? because worried about because they're worried about racial profiling. so there is a guardian because guardian concern because they're worried reproduce worried that this will reproduce racialized ideas of problematic behaviour. so you get you think that someone's in a gang or something because you have this information and then start information and then you start to profile them and maybe they weren't thought. to profile them and maybe they wethat: thought. to profile them and maybe they wethat a thought. to profile them and maybe they wethat a legitimate thought. to profile them and maybe they wethat a legitimate concern?t. is that a legitimate concern? >> slightly >> josh well, it's a slightly ridiculous concern because >> josh well, it's a slightly ridiculosortoncern because >> josh well, it's a slightly ridiculosorton(going, cause >> josh well, it's a slightly ridiculo sorton(going, cause you they're sort of going, well, you know, it's know, why do you think that it's going people going to be targeting people from ethnic? >> know, we've just to >> you know, we've just got to look at it's not about targeting. it's about looking at the know that's the data. yes. and i know that's what mean. what i don't understand. i mean. well, i actually know something about not, about this, believe it or not, because i a like because before i had a like before this, i used to have a properjob. yes before this, i used to have a proper job. yes and before this, i used to have a properjob. yes and i literally did . i worked for social did this. i worked for social services and i did the filing thing. and you'd have these files to files and you're trying to collate, different

collate, collate the different families with different organisations and whatnot. and that has been a real issue in the past because there are there are families we see slip are families that we see slip through the net. and my wife also worked for charity also worked for a charity working school with working in a primary school with parents drug addicts or parents who are drug addicts or drug dealers or in jail or murdered and all these different things. but it's about capturing murdered and all these different thingskidst it's about capturing murdered and all these different thingskids and about capturing murdered and all these different thingskids and it's�*ut capturing murdered and all these different thingskids and it's an capturing murdered and all these different thingskids and it's an early'ing these kids and it's an early warning system. it makes total sense bring that sense to me. bring that information , find these kids who information, find these kids who are risk early and you can are at risk early and you can actually impact on actually make a real impact on their lives. >> so we have to worry >> so we don't have to worry about guardians concerned. >> so we don't have to worry about no, guardians concerned. >> so we don't have to worry about no, gthink ans concerned. >> so we don't have to worry about no, gthink that's1cerned. >> so we don't have to worry about no, gthink that's aerned. >> so we don't have to worry about no, gthink that's a good. yeah, no, i think that's a good mantra general. mantra for general. >> basically . >> yeah, basically. >> yeah, basically. >> let's move on now to >> okay. let's move on now to this this the telegraph this one. this is the telegraph . should copying the danes ? >> 7- >> yeah , in ? >> yeah , in many ways. 7 >> yeah , in many ways. many >> yeah, in many ways. many ways. many, many ways. furniture and the art deco general aesthetic. yeah just that vibe. yeah, i love it . aesthetic. yeah just that vibe. yeah, i love it. hunt aesthetic. yeah just that vibe. yeah, i love it . hunt urged aesthetic. yeah just that vibe. yeah, i love it. hunt urged to. and also they're into board games anyway. hunt urged to copy danish benefit system to boost job switching. so this is quite an interesting idea that people being scared of losing their jobs. yes it's actually holding

back our job market in a lot of back ourjob market in a lot of ways. the dynamics of it and so they're basically what they're saying is when people leave or i mean, lose their jobs, lose mean, lose theirjobs, lose theirjobs mean, lose theirjobs, lose their jobs , essentially, and mean, lose theirjobs, lose theirjobs , essentially, and as theirjobs, essentially, and as long as they've been working there for a year, yeah, at least 12 months, they should get 12 months, then they should get 65% salary because they 65% of their salary because they won't just to won't then just be forced to take first take the first job. >> just for like three month >> but just for like three month penod >> but just for like three month period or just for three period. >> but it gives that leeway >> but it gives them that leeway and it seems like a win win situation, by the way, in america . in the netherlands, america. in the netherlands, it's like of salary. it's like 75% of your salary. denmark, 90. so 65. but what they're saying is because it actually we've got 1.5 billion people unemployed and this is only like going to be a tiny, tiny fragment of those unemployed who have lost their job, have worked for 12 job, have worked there for 12 months and lost their job. but months and lost theirjob. but it a big difference to it will make a big difference to people's increase people's choices and increase the kind of job they can get, in which case they get a better job, better paid. they'll be able to pay taxes it's able to pay more taxes and it's going very little money able to pay more taxes and it's go do very little money able to pay more taxes and it's go do it. very little money to do it. >> this sounds eminently sensible and people do sensible to me, and people do

get jobs because they get trapped in jobs because they fear what will happen if they leave, from paycheque living from paycheque to paycheque. no, i'm not paycheque. hen then no, i'm not hinting anything. want to hinting anything. i want nick to stay thrive . but, you stay here and thrive. but, you know, a good idea, right ? know, it's a good idea, right? >> i'll to, because know, it's a good idea, right? >> only i'll to, because know, it's a good idea, right? >> only going to, because know, it's a good idea, right? >> only going at to, because know, it's a good idea, right? >> only going at 14%because know, it's a good idea, right? >> only going at 14% of:ause know, it's a good idea, right? >> only going at 14% of thee i'm only going at 14% of the average wage in this country if i leave, compared to, as you say, denmark's netherlands, say, denmark's 90, netherlands, 75, canada problem 75, canada 55. the problem is none of those countries are countries i particularly like. they're socialist they're all kind of socialist sort . mean, i sort of countries. i mean, but i do it's reasonable plan. do think it's a reasonable plan. i for people who've i mean, it's for people who've been work 12 months, it's been in work 12 months, so it's not not people not really it's not for people who scamming system. not really it's not for people whc peopleamming system. not really it's not for people whcpeopleamming are;ystem. not really it's not for people whcpeopleamming are scared, not really it's not for people whyompleamming are scared, not really it's not for people whyou say, mming are scared, not really it's not for people whyou say, about; are scared, not really it's not for people whyou say, about moving:ared, as you say, about moving job. they'll have of a safety they'll have more of a safety net. system is net. the benefit system is already socialist idea, it already a socialist idea, so it doesn't particularly matter that there's of there's an extra bit of socialism probably seems socialism on top. probably seems reasonable socialism on top. probably seems reasonaleell, we're to >> okay. well, we're going to move this about move on to this story about germany, right extremism germany, right wing extremism on the . your specialist the rise. your specialist subject, you say subject, i thought you might say something i'm something like that, but i'm just going accept it because just to going accept it because you probably stop me. you can probably stop me. >> wing extremist views >> right wing extremist views increasingly widespread in germany. study finds . and of germany. study finds. and of course, it's the guardian. so we all to take pinch salt all have to take a pinch of salt immediately they immediately about what they mean because melonis immediately about what they mean becalfar melonis

immediately about what they mean becalfar right melonis immediately about what they mean becalfar right and melonis immediately about what they mean becalfar right and other melonis party far right and other parties that aren't parties that really aren't particularly far right. so so hang on. so that might be the next story. anyway, the point is this is the university of bielefeld . bielefeld i don't bielefeld. bielefeld i don't know. bielefeld i pronounced it a third time. let's go bielefeld yeah, i got it the third time. yeah, i got it the third time. yeah and it's just about whether, whether germany is becoming more right wing you becoming more right wing and you sort of read and go, okay, sort of read it and go, okay, yeah, germany becoming sort of read it and go, okay, yearight germany becoming sort of read it and go, okay, yea right germ it's becoming sort of read it and go, okay, yea right germ it's all)ecoming far right again. it's all terrifying, actually i'm not terrifying, but actually i'm not sure the story sure that is the real story because it then says less than 60% faith in 60% said they had faith in democracy institutions and democracy and institutions and there was a rise in people saying our country increasingly resembles a dictatorship as a bad thing. right. and that politicians were politicians in the media were in bed so the guy in bed together. so the guy in first is saying, it's first is saying, look, it's right wing extremism in the rise in it has gone slightly right wing extremism in the rise in but it has gone slightly right wing extremism in the rise in but to it has gone slightly right wing extremism in the rise in but to me, has gone slightly right wing extremism in the rise in but to me, the gone slightly right wing extremism in the rise in but to me, the reale slightly right wing extremism in the rise in but to me, the real takeaway up. but to me, the real takeaway of story actually of the story is actually just that kind of the story is actually just th.neoliberal kind of the story is actually just th.neoliberal establishment, ind of the story is actually just th.neoliberal establishment, and of neoliberal establishment, and that's against. >> so this is confusing, isn't it, josh, because the it, josh, because is it not the case because definite case that because the definite terms like far right get misused so it might just be so often that it might just be the case that actually political

ideals shifting? but our ideals aren't shifting? but our perception of them is that is definitely possible. >> and there is some definite truth to that. but we are when you have 16.5% of germany going, the jewish people are trying to take advantage of their past. the germans past should point that out . and further that out. and further anti—semitic positions that are being positioned and are growing out there. it's kind of scary . out there. it's kind of scary. but yeah, i could i could see that there is a reaction to what, you know, in the way that nick's saying. but you know, things like this, politicians and are in bed and the media are in bed together . well, i heard jacob together. well, i heard jacob rees—mogg earlier on this channel he didn't you know, channel and he didn't you know, it was fine. there we go. >> thanks for that, josh , i >> thanks for that, josh, i think we'll move on there. we're going to go to this next story, which is guardian. again, which is the guardian. again, it's favourite tonight, it's our favourite tonight, isn't it? european politics. it seems the establishment seems like the establishment isn't josh well, this, isn't popular. josh well, this, i it's very similar to the i mean, it's very similar to the last but it's broader last one, but it's broader because actually saying because it's actually saying that not just like far that it's not just like far right, left as well. right, it's far left as well. >> it's populism , populism,

>> it's populism, populism, which basically they are designing a designate as you having like two homogeneous and opposing groups. basically, you have like these pure people, which are, you know, the right and the left have that. the far left certainly that idea . left certainly have that idea. your purest politics your purest, purest politics versus this corrupt elite . and versus this corrupt elite. and they argue that all politics should be an expression of the people. so the far left and the far right both into that , far right both lean into that, that kind but the stats are interesting. >> 1 in 3 europeans are voting for populist parties. in other words, be on left words, be that on the left or the because words, be that on the left or the we because words, be that on the left or the we think because words, be that on the left or the we think about. ecause words, be that on the left or the we think about. butise words, be that on the left or the we think about. but why often we think about. but why has a dirty has populism become such a dirty word? a party word? the idea of a party that appeals to the wishes of the people? is a bad thing? appeals to the wishes of the peel le? is a bad thing? appeals to the wishes of the peel guess is a bad thing? appeals to the wishes of the peel guess because a bad thing? appeals to the wishes of the peel guess because the ad thing? appeals to the wishes of the peel guess because the it thing? appeals to the wishes of the peel guess because the it could? >> i guess because the it could lead to fascism and. >> well, i mean, other, you know, like bernie sanders was, was a populist success story politician is populist. >> that they are the >> and that they are winning the most vote. but the point is this is coming from anti—establishment like you know, and i think bernie sanders would have been a terrible.

nick, you're not one to defend the establishment. >> good >> isn't this quite a good thing? >> isn't this quite a good thiryeah, is an absurd >> yeah, this is an absurd article and this is i did article and this is one i did mean before. so they're saying that should an that all politics should be an expression the of the expression of the will of the people. calling that people. and they're calling that populism called populism could be called democracy. and what's hilarious is that the guide is sort of uncomfortable . and it uncomfortable with this. and it says, rise of the says, oh, the rise of the nativist, far nativist, authoritarian, far right. like they're not right. it's like they're not actually authoritarian. the people in this article are calling for democracy, and it's the , an neo the new authoritarian, an neo liberal that is liberal establishment that is under . that's what's under threat. that's what's clearly this piece. under threat. that's what's clearlywhy this piece. under threat. that's what's clearlywhy it's this piece. under threat. that's what's clearlywhy it's hilarious. piece. that's why it's hilarious. people's are not being people's needs are not being dean people's needs are not being dealt with, whether it's immigration, whether it's cost of whatever and of living, whatever it is. and instead the establishment, the professional classes professional manager classes that pushing that sometimes call is pushing these like critical these niche ideas like critical race theory. net zero race theory. i'd call net zero another and that's what another one. and that's what people are rebelling against. that's from this. that's what i get from this. i mean, the guardian calls an increasingly mean, the guardian calls an increasingito mainstream. challenge to the mainstream. it's so funny that they're so establishment now that they're so threatened by this. they call maloney far she's not maloney far right. she's not considered look maloney far right. she's not co thiszred look maloney far right. she's not co thiszred professor look maloney far right. she's not co thiszred professor this)k at this one professor in this calls tories at calls the tories look at britain's in their britain's tories in their discourse rhetoric. are discourse and rhetoric. they are radical, right? so we have to take a huge pinch of take this with a huge pinch of salt think the salt because they think the

tories radical, right. tories are radical, right. >> josh, it case that tories are radical, right. >> jo you it case that tories are radical, right. >> jo you ita case that tories are radical, right. >> jo you ita situation 1at tories are radical, right. >> jo you ita situation where when you have a situation where mainstream not mainstream parties are not garnering success garnering the kind of success they the solution they once did, that the solution to for them to create to that is for them to create better more better arguments, be more persuasive, just persuasive, not to sort of just dismiss these new parties dismiss all of these new parties that coming up. that are coming up. >> yeah, but i guess part of it goes tribalism as well. goes down to tribalism as well. like you would argue that, like so you would argue that, but but and people would just like and about loyalty and staying within their group. but there a i think people feel there is a i think people feel betrayed by either party like traditional parties again , a lot traditional parties again, a lot of people out there who are saying you know, i'm not going to vote tory or labour or anything, they feel let down over amount of years anything, they feel let down overthey're amount of years anything, they feel let down overthey're notfount of years anything, they feel let down overthey're not seeing. years that they're not seeing. >> is the solution to that >> what is the solution to that , basically a fear >> what is the solution to that , democracybasically a fear >> what is the solution to that , democracy ,asically a fear >> what is the solution to that , democracy , which( a fear >> what is the solution to that , democracy , which is fear >> what is the solution to that , democracy , which is what's of democracy, which is what's going on here, is dressed of democracy, which is what's goias on here, is dressed of democracy, which is what's goias on ikind is dressed of democracy, which is what's goias on ikind anti; dressed of democracy, which is what's goias on ikind anti populist up as this kind of anti populist rhetoric, guess point rhetoric, i guess the point is it's whether those can lessen the rules. >> i'm always going to be a bit there's truth to it. but i also like comfort . like comfort. >> we all like comfort. >> we all like comfort. >> josh politics is not the realm for comfort. >> they call lockdowns a hobby horse . i mean, and then they

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radio. >> welcome back to headliners. >> welcome back to headliners. >> your first look at friday's newspapers kicking off this section with the times and nick, the russell brand story, rumble is on. >> it does indeed rumble refuses to join russell brand cancel culture mob and this is ceo chris pavlovski rejects disturbed query from senior tory

mp about dropping the comic from his video sharing site. i'm sure you've heard the story. it's dame caroline de diana. diana that's how you pronounce it? yeah, it's diana. and what she did , she's the chairwoman of the did, she's the chairwoman of the culture media and sport select committee. reason committee. and for some reason she took it upon herself to write to tiktok, rumble and others saying, you know, why are you allowing russell brand to make a living? essentially she said, are concerned that said, we are concerned that he may able to profit his may be able to profit from his content and content on the platform. and people asking people have been rightly asking , it of hers, , what business is it of hers, whether someone who's not been charged just at charged with anything just at this an innocent citizen this point, an innocent citizen , a civilian trying to , a civilian who's trying to make money, who's going to lose a million a year from advertising income on youtube? whatever russell whatever you think of russell brand, dame caroline , brand, why is it dame caroline, diana, however you say it, i can't say it. why is it her job to do this? it's absolutely absurd. >> sinister, actually. >> sinister, actually. >> it's sinister and backfired. and to resign . and she has to resign. >> so at this point, you know , >> so at this point, you know, when you have someone in the government urging social media platforms to basically censor those who have not been through

due process , i mean, that due process, i mean, that whatever you think about the situation on that is not a precedent. we want to set, is it? no, of course not. >> and it buys into his narrative that he's putting out there that he's being sort of victimised because he's telling there that he's being sort of vict truthd because he's telling there that he's being sort of vict truthd be> of >> alex jones, who sort of famously said the whole sandy hook shootings didn't happen. and the parents, the what they went through and andrew tate sorry , but he's not here well

sorry, but he's not here well informed in. >> i know what you're saying, josh, we don't have to agree with everything on a platform to say, speech still m atters. matters. >> the free speech battles >> the big free speech battles are about tech. are going to be about big tech. let's it, forward, let's face it, going forward, that's what's going to happen. but say the but i also have to say the timing is interesting timing of this is interesting because of because this week the house of lords the online lords passed the online safety bill disastrous and bill which is a disastrous and authoritarian bill which effectively state effectively outsources state censorship big to unelected censorship to big to unelected regulators and big tech. so when it coincides in this way , it it coincides in this way, it adds credence to this view that the government is really happy about using big tech to further its own means. about using big tech to further its own means . and of course, its own means. and of course, since the twitter files, we know that this is being going on, that this is being going on, that there's been collusion between major governments and social this not good . social media. this is not good. >> no. and seems to have no >> no. and it seems to have no regard law our basic regard for the law or our basic rights. people even rights. some people have even pointed against rights. some people have even pointedcarta. against rights. some people have even pointedcarta. no against rights. some people have even pointedcarta. no freejainstshall magna carta. no free man shall be seized in prison, dispossessed, outlawed, exiled or ruined in any way, nor in any way except way preceded against except by the judgement the lawful judgement of his peers the the land. peers and the law of the land. so just sort of goes against

so it just sort of goes against our tradition. our entire english tradition. it goes law. are goes against the law. what are you insane. goes against the law. what are you insane . and do you doing? it's insane. and do you doing? it's insane. and do you think she will resign after this? she has to resign. i'm not saying but she must. saying she will, but she must. if has, i mean, hopefully saying she will, but she must. if will, s, i mean, hopefully saying she will, but she must. if will, because i, hopefully saying she will, but she must. if will, because thispefully saying she will, but she must. if will, because thispe'just she will, because this is just outrageous. >> mirror now, >> it's okay. the mirror now, this it's odd when this is a it's odd when jemmy saville's up saville's name crops up in headunes saville's name crops up in headlines but this one headlines, but what's this one about? yeah, jimmy saville police unit to probe russell brand amid sexual assault brand case amid sexual assault allegations so now they've got him on the case because this incident has come out after the tv show was broadcast last where this woman said now she said that she he sort of held brand again. >> this is brand again. this is what she's saying is a fifth victim. she said he pinned her down, kissed her and she said stop. and then he stopped . stop. and then he stopped. right. and then he was abusive verbally. you know, that's not cool. like . cool. but like. >> so doesn't sound to you >> so this doesn't sound to you like criminality. it sounds to you behaviour . you like bad behaviour. >> like bad >> yes, it sounds like bad behaviour. what behaviour. i don't know what the law like, don't law is for. like, i don't know how it held her down how long it was he held her down for. stop for. if she said stop immediately, her once for. if she said stop imwhatever', her once for. if she said stop imwhatever . her once for. if she said stop imwhatever . like her once for. if she said stop imwhatever . like she her once for. if she said stop imwhatever . like she came)nce or whatever. like she came backstage . but then also they

backstage. but then also they get the dates wrong here. they said this accusation was said that this accusation was from but they met in 2008 from 2003, but they met in 2008 or whatever. like it's like even that's confusing . like if they that's confusing. like if they went back in time . and the other went back in time. and the other thing that this is in the mirror and the other thing they keep on saying. 48, has been saying. baron 48, has been accused of rape, sexual assault saying. baron 48, has been achemotionala, sexual assault saying. baron 48, has been achemotional abuse al assault saying. baron 48, has been achemotional abuse .l assault saying. baron 48, has been achemotional abuse . and ault saying. baron 48, has been achemotional abuse . and they've and emotional abuse. and they've said that they actually repeat the same thing a few times emotional and they put it emotional abuse. and they put it all together. >> always with >> that's always a worry with this stuff. >> w- w“ >> i mean, look, that's not good behaviour. like bad behaviour. totally like bad boyfriend, bad human being, arguably, but emotional abuse . arguably, but emotional abuse. >> no, but just not the same. this is something that happened after the metoo movement and a lot feminists writers even lot of feminists writers even criticised were criticised this. they were saying was saying what happened was effectively of terrible conflation of terrible behaviour. remember that behaviour. do you remember that list like a dossier of list of it was like a dossier of sexual behaviour from within the house of commons and it was conflating sexual assault with people who'd met at work and got married . odd and even someone married. odd and even someone putting hand on her knee. and putting a hand on her knee. and all of this seen as the same all of this was seen as the same thing. and it's actually really denigrating victims sexual denigrating to victims of sexual assault suggesting that

assault to start suggesting that these are the these sorts of things are the same. the same. same. they're not the same. >> thing >> well, the same thing happened. comedians >> well, the same thing hap|a ned. comedians >> well, the same thing hap|a sort comedians >> well, the same thing hap|a sort of comedians >> well, the same thing hap|a sort of whatsapp omedians >> well, the same thing hap|a sort of whatsapp group ans >> well, the same thing hap|a sort of whatsapp group and had a sort of whatsapp group and a list that went out it just a list that went out and it just got of control . and it got way out of control. and it was people were going on was like people were going on for crazy reasons. foi’ crazy reasons. >> for crazy reasons. >> you you worry for crazy reasons. >> this you you worry for crazy reasons. >> this yotof you worry for crazy reasons. >> this yotof thing worry for crazy reasons. >> this yotof thing when for crazy reasons. >> getiis yotof thing when for crazy reasons. >> get this yotof thing when for crazy reasons. >> get this yotoiofiing when for crazy reasons. >> get this yotoiof the when you get this kind of the slipperiness of terms that slipperiness of terms so that everything starts becoming a serious assault? >> yeah, well, i started out as no fan of brand, but the reaction is getting so hysterical that now i'm becoming annoyed mean, it's annoyed about that. i mean, it's to him to jimmy savile. to compare him to jimmy savile. i it's hard i mean, it's very hard to recover from such a lurid headline. and one way are headline. and one way they are similar media similar is that the media created and now the created them both and now the same tells us they're same media tells us they're terrible all to terrible and we all have to go along so created along with that. so they created the these people, the media gets these people, they know what the people are like start. they like from the start. they promote them they tell promote them and then they tell us terrible. us they're terrible. i mean, there on x about there was a thread on x about inappropriate comments that have surfaced russell brand did. surfaced that russell brand did. it was stuff he'd bbc it was stuff he'd said on bbc radio openly . his career was 90% radio openly. his career was 90% inappropriate comments and 10% hair. you know what? he was , you hair. you know what? he was, you know, that's what he's always been. it's a real problem,

though, isn't it? >> know that rape is >> because we know that rape is underreported >> because we know that rape is underre knowi >> because we know that rape is underre know that it is difficult and we know that it is difficult for come forward, even for women to come forward, even still to police because still to the police because they know likely that their know that it's likely that their case won't make it to court even . other hand, we've . but on the other hand, we've also when you get these also seen when you get these high profile stories about accusations, lot of false accusations, a lot of false allegations will suddenly appear , operation midland an , operation midland being an obvious example, where there were palpably false, were some palpably false, ridiculous, fantastical claims that were taken seriously by the police. you know, it's a difficult the question is how much ? much? >> and that costs millions and ruined lives and ruined lives. what kind of waste resources what kind of waste of resources are see here? or is are we going to see here? or is it resources for it worth those resources for them into it and them to look into it and actually get to the bottom of this i personally this stuff? i personally think it's a interesting this it's a interesting that this thing out the other day and thing came out the other day and in that time , and i understand in that time, and i understand reasons people don't speak reasons why people don't speak out whatever, but at the out and whatever, but at the same time, no one else has come out. and seems maybe more out. and that seems maybe more people will maybe there's we just we just know. just don't we just don't know. but >> okay. so the guardian next story morgan. story about piers morgan. nick. yeah interesting one.

>> morgan due >> piers morgan says due impartiality rules for british tv out of date. so he was at a media conference where he said that television rules are that our television rules are anachronistic that they can anachronistic and that they can be lobby groups be manipulated by lobby groups and people as as we've and powerful people as as we've noticed. mean , you get noticed. i mean, you get activist as we've activist groups now as we've noticed, they get on x and noticed, they can get on x and they can do a long thread. and at end they say report gb at the end they say report gb news to ofcom and then people do. ofcom are flooded do. and then ofcom are flooded with they're with complaints and they're only human. they're going to investigate a certain number. if they these complaints investigate a certain number. if they verythese complaints investigate a certain number. if they verythese c�*and.aints investigate a certain number. if they verythese c�*and he ts and it's very unfair. and he points out it wasn't like that when he was itv. you have when he was at itv. so you have to the new channels to ask, are the new channels being asked being more targeted? i asked the question. i don't know the answer. ofcom tried to answer. i'm sure ofcom tried to be is difficult and be fair, but it is difficult and our own leader, angelo , our very own leader, angelo, points journalism our very own leader, angelo, points be journalism our very own leader, angelo, points be j

balance and impartial and we hear all sides. >> no, not. >> no, we're not. >>— >> no, we're not. >> up. >> shut up. >> shut up. >> okay. >> josh okay. >> josh okay. >> do think? >> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> was balance. >> that was the balance. >> that was the balance. >> go. >> there we go. >> there we go. >> a bit of a row. >> just a bit of a row. >>— >> just a bit of a row. >> yeah. have to >> yeah. just, yeah. have to create pierce. create our own andrew pierce. bev turner moment. what create our own andrew pierce. be\were er moment. what create our own andrew pierce. be\were er morto nt. what create our own andrew pierce. be\were er morto nt. yeah, what we were trying to do. yeah, exactly. this about free exactly. but this is about free speech. well this channel was set for free speech and to set up for free speech and to allow going allow debate, which is going to imply positions imply that different positions are going to be put forward. well, that's a good point, because, know, when there because, you know, when there was that argument between bev and you had and andrew on the show, you had owen jones tweeting saying her point have point of view should never have been expressed on been allowed to be expressed on tv . tv. >> you had who was it who was basically you commented >> you had who was it who was ba:this,y you commented >> you had who was it who was barthis, this you commented >> you had who was it who was barthis, this idea.ou commented >> you had who was it who was barthis, this idea. yeah,nmented >> you had who was it who was barthis, this idea. yeah, well, :ed so. >> oh, yeah, because someone else went on and said, oh, look, people news. they just people are gb news. they just don't which hugo don't know which way. hugo rifkind know which rifkind they don't know which way this or whatever . way to go on this or whatever. and if we have and it's like as if we have a unified front have we're individuals, we have individual opinions them. >> $- f.- >> that's the point of the channel >> that's the point of the channel, the idea. >> yeah, not coming in >> but yeah, we're not coming in this of groupthink. this this kind of groupthink. this is what work for the what we say when we work for the times is what we say times and this is what we say when the bbc. no, when we work for the bbc. no, it's coming here. when we work for the bbc. no, itdisagree coming here. when we work for the bbc. no, itdisagree with oming here.

when we work for the bbc. no, itdisagree with loads here. when we work for the bbc. no, itdisagree with loads of here. when we work for the bbc. no, itdisagree with loads of people when we work for the bbc. no, itdthis'ee with loads of people when we work for the bbc. no, itdthis channel. oads of people when we work for the bbc. no, itdthis channel. yeah,»f people on this channel. yeah, that's the point. that the the point. that made the best argument win. >> is it just the case that people like hugo rifkind, who work for those sorts of companies everyone work for those sorts of companie has everyone work for those sorts of companie has same)ne work for those sorts of companie has same opinion, work for those sorts of co shocks�* has same opinion, work for those sorts of co shocks them same opinion, work for those sorts of co shocks them when ne opinion, work for those sorts of co shocks them when ne op see n, it shocks them when they see people a channel disagreeing? people on a channel disagreeing? maybe. it? maybe. is that it? >> they're not used >> nick yeah, they're not used to sort of it's funny to that. it's sort of it's funny because you're the because if you're part of the establishment because if you're part of the esta apparently wait the you apparently just wait for the high opinion repeat high status opinion and repeat it. channel we it. whereas on this channel we do our own genuine do just have our own genuine opinion who opinion and people, people who don't the channel claim don't watch the channel claim it's it's it's one thing, but it's actually think the actually i think it's the most impartial is . we impartial channel there is. we have of crazy. have all sorts of crazy. we've had advocating abortion had people advocating abortion up nine on up to nine months on this channel, which i think is monstrous, exist on monstrous, and yet we exist on the and i would monstrous, and yet we exist on the say and i would monstrous, and yet we exist on the say that'sand i would monstrous, and yet we exist on the say that's murder.»uld monstrous, and yet we exist on the say that's murder. soi basically say that's murder. so it's an incredibly broad range of question ofcom of views. i also question ofcom in the way piers morgan is. in the way that piers morgan is. why up to them? because why is it up to them? because then they're bound to be within why is it up to them? because the|overton bound to be within why is it up to them? because the|overton windowo be within why is it up to them? because the|overton window bye within why is it up to them? because the|overton window by their�*iin the overton window by their nature. know , so very nature. you know, so it's very hard regulate and say where hard to regulate and say where the centre is what should be permitted. >> okay. well, it for >> okay. well, that's it for part three. but in the final section, do stay for section, do stay tuned for a look into the lives of our ancestors. why people block the doors trains and some news

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welcome back to headliners. your first look at friday's newspapers . let's kick off this newspapers. let's kick off this section with friday's independent. and britain is a liberal minded country except for certain issues, apparently. >> yes. britain becoming more liberal minded, but not on trans issues, survey finds. so this is actually very misleading. it's the way the question was framed and where you had 37% of the pubuc and where you had 37% of the public held liberal views in 2005 in terms of different types of marriage structures and now that's increased to 63. so this is by the british social attitudes . but they're saying at attitudes. but they're saying at the same time that over the past three years, hostility towards transgender people has increased least 64, describing themselves not prejudiced and it's declined by 18% since 2019. now, the reason why i would say this has

happenedisifs reason why i would say this has happened is it's not that people are against trans people at all, but they have realised that there is a conflict of rights also. what we define as trans people have changed over the last however many years because it used to be people with you know, gender dysphoria, what it did was they went, no, you know what, we're going to bring transvestites in, which is arguably a sexual fetish or but it's not the same as what people had in mind. >> non non—binary or non—binary and this different stuff i >> -- >> so people are against their ideology that see grooming ideology that they see grooming our children, medicalizing them . and this is what people and also inflicting on women's rights . rights. >> nick is it just just that the people who are making this report don't know what liberal means? actually to to means? you know, actually to to be suggesting that you are be be suggesting that you are you worried the you are worried about the erosion rights. erosion of women's rights. you're worried erosion you're worried about the erosion of that comes with of gay rights that comes with this of gender identity this sort of gender identity ideology. that's the liberal position . so actually, it looks position. so actually, it looks like the country is becoming liberal counts . it's just liberal on all counts. it's just they don't know what liberal means.

>> it's a good point. and they also don't know what liberal means in regards to the size of the increasingly the state. they say increasingly they think government they think the government should play they think the government should play they're play a bigger role and they're calling liberalism. calling that liberalism. of course, the opposite course, it's the opposite of classic english liberalism. i think don't think people just don't know what maybe what it means. yeah, it's maybe socialism or leftism or something, absurd socialism or leftism or sand:hing, absurd socialism or leftism or sand this , absurd socialism or leftism or sand this article absurd socialism or leftism or sand this article tells absurd socialism or leftism or sand this article tells on absurd . and this article tells on itself because it admits that britain's becoming more liberal on but not on all issues but not trans issues . oh, why well, issues. oh, why is that? well, obviously there's problem, issues. oh, why is that? well, obvi(there?1ere's problem, issues. oh, why is that? well, obvi(there?1ere':it's)roblem, issues. oh, why is that? well, obvi(there?1ere':it's because isn't there? and it's because people just 30% think that people just 30% think that people should be able to change the their birth the sex on their birth certificate, to be certificate, which used to be 53. but people become 53. but people have become more aware issue the aware of the issue and the problems. people problems. so, of course, people don't and article don't like it. and the article just reveals itself the thing they right is that state they do get right is that state intervention amongst conservatives and the sort conservatives is up and the sort of thatcherite opinion is down and that is correct. and they also out basically also point out that basically that working class people have much of problem than much more of a problem than middle of middle class people. and of course they're course they do because they're most affected by it. >> let's to the >> okay. let's move on to the times now. and we now know it's not computer making not computer games making us more this more violent. josh is this really interesting? more violent. josh is this reaiearly eresting? more violent. josh is this reaiearly humans’ more violent. josh is this reaiearly humans were as >> early humans were just as violent they violent as today. so they give this the sort of background of it. they've been two school of

thoughts. jean—jacques thoughts. rousseau jean—jacques rousseau, basically said rousseau, who basically said that we used to live in this kind garden of idyllic kind of garden of eden idyllic state, now then state, and now and then other thomas basically saying thomas hobbes basically saying that we were violent all the way through. and they basically found the 10,000 years of found all the 10,000 years of burials at them burials they've looked at them all, skulls all, found loads of old skulls we've smashed whatnot. we've smashed in and whatnot. and essentially before that we moved agriculture oil moved into this agriculture oil era we live in now . so era that we live in now. so basically everyone was still killing each then. killing each other then. >> mean, >> but of course, i mean, there's something essentially bestial that there's something essentially be uncivilised that there's something essentially be uncivilised . that there's something essentially be uncivilised . and that there's something essentially beuncivilised . and i that there's something essentially beuncivilised . and i think that is uncivilised. and i think rousseau got it wrong, didn't he ? >> & gal- >> yeah, it was always a ludicrous, idea . ludicrous, naive idea. >> oh, got to say that. >> oh, you got to say that. >> oh, you got to say that. >> i thought you to >> well, i thought you wanted to sort on towards the end sort of move on towards the end of so i went of the show, so i just went boom. >> thought you wanted to do boom. >.mic thought you wanted to do boom. >.mic drop)ught you wanted to do boom. >.mic drop moment. wanted to do boom. >.mic drop moment. that'sj to do boom. >.mic drop moment. that's whydo boom. >.mic drop moment. that's why it a mic drop moment. that's why it was. that was it. was. and it worked. that was it. >> it was very was very >> it was very it was very violent, very passively, aggressively time for one more >> we do have time for one more story this is metro, story now. this is the metro, andifs story now. this is the metro, and it's story gb news, and it's a story about gb news, which interested in. which i'm always interested in. what's the scoop? >> guests complains what's the scoop? >> gender guests complains what's the scoop? >> gender neutral ests complains what's the scoop? >> gender neutral toilets mplains after gender neutral toilets only the broadcaster only to let slip the broadcaster has ridiculous has them. so this is ridiculous because has come up because it actually has come up a times. come up on a thousand times. come up on

everybody always mentions, oh, i was hate was just in the toilet, i hate these gender neutral toilets, okay? whether i feel safe in them because a man. but i them because i'm a man. but i don't feel safe when you're in them. going in them. but you know, going in there, a i went to the there, i had a i went to the toilet. i had a big old you know, christina, too much information. come , i don't information. tmi, come, i don't want to have that thing . i don't want to have that thing. i don't likeyou're giving much >> you're giving far too much detail josh, i've detail there, josh, but i've revealed her name. you do you revealed her name. do you do you think that grimacing from that? >> go on. >> but go on. >> but go on. >> you think we should do away with our gender neutral toilets? >> everyone >> they're horrible. everyone hates josh hates them. and as josh said, it's multiple times, it's been raised multiple times, so not a scoop. sorry. so it's not a scoop. sorry. metro them, metro everyone hates them, particularly metro everyone hates them, particul.said it me they've said it to me repeatedly. are other repeatedly. there are other toilets available, but it is like ally mcbeal. like being in ally mcbeal. remember ? remember ally mcbeal? >> oh, i never actually saw ally mcbeal. well, it's a like that, >> well, it's a lot like that, andrew and the viewers home andrew and the viewers at home will i will love that reference. i haven't seen that. >> haven't seen succession >> i haven't seen succession enhen >> i haven't seen succession eithewill all these things >> i will do all of these things writing all the time. writing books all the time. that's doing. that's all i'm doing. >> just watch. >> stop thinking and just watch. >> stop thinking and just watch. >> why >> watch tv. why >> watch tv. why >> they always so keen, >> why are they always so keen, though to like scoop on though, to get like a scoop on gb i don't. it's what gb news? and i don't. it's what keeps in the papers,

keeps us in the in the papers, i suppose. >> number one news channel. >> number one news channel. >> well, we beat sky bbc the >> well, we beat sky and bbc the other so they weren't they other day, so they weren't they weren't happy that. weren't very happy about that. but know, this but ultimately, you know, this is you know, it's is not a scoop. you know, it's not deal. agree with not a big deal. but i agree with you the women you that most of the women i talk to do have a real problem with gender toilets. with gender neutral toilets. most seem to most of the men don't seem to care. one way other. care. one way or the other. >> i i think >> i don't know. i think i think men care. do you think? yeah men do care. do you think? yeah just, want to just, you know, i want nick to walk don't even go in walk out. i don't even go in them out of for the them now, out of respect for the women, bladder women, i mean, my bladder exploded, feel solidarity. exploded, but i feel solidarity. >> solid. >> very solid. >> very solid. >> okay. on that lovely note, the nearly over. we're the show is nearly over. we're going another quick look going to have another quick look at pages. so the at friday's front pages. so the daily mail is leading with this story. starmer, let's cut out of the bag on brexit betrayal. some fears that he's going to try and get us back the the get us back in the eu. the telegraph hunt tax cuts are telegraph has hunt tax cuts are virtually impossible . well, the virtually impossible. well, the guardian is running with campaigners. plan a legal challenges to sunaks u—turn on green policies . the mirror challenges to sunaks u—turn on green policies. the mirror has for your eyes only a beautician on a spy charge page. the sun is leading with bbc shame over

flasher brand and finally. leading with bbc shame over flasher brand and finally . the flasher brand and finally. the daily star save our spam which we spoke about earlier. and i don't want to revisit. that's all we've got time for. thanks don't want to revisit. that's al|my 've got time for. thanks don't want to revisit. that's al|my guests, time for. thanks don't want to revisit. that's al|my guests, josh for. thanks don't want to revisit. that's al|my guests, josh howie anks don't want to revisit. that's al|my guests, josh howie and to my guests, josh howie and nick dixon. leo kearse back nick dixon. leo kearse is back tomorrow at 11:00, along with lewis schaffer and cressida whitten wetton. so don't miss that. and if you're watching right now at 5 am. for the repeat, please stay tuned for breakfast. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers, proud sponsors up. boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hi there . thursday's blustery >> hi there. thursday's blustery showers will ease overnight some dner showers will ease overnight some drier and clearer spells, but also a cool night to come, with temperatures widely in the single figures before further showers on friday. now we've lost the persistent spells of rain that we saw earlier in the week, especially across western parts of the uk. but we've still got quite a number showers got quite a number of showers circulating around an old area of low pressure. that's sitting to north scotland and to the north of scotland and that there will be further that means there will be further showers , especially showers overnight, especially

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gb news. >> no spin, no bias , no >> no spin, no bias, no censorship. i'm dan wootton. tonight the tories have put the brakes on the ruinous march to not zero. which of course means all out war with the woke mainstream media. >> it's all about politics. >> it's all about politics. >> you're making a series of claims that aren't true. >> no, this is absolute. only about doing what i believe to be in the long term interests of the country for the boston society. >> drive this country. >> don't drive in this country. i think society are not worried about installing a. >> so sorry, that >> so sorry, but that is a ludicrous statement. >> so sorry, but that is a lud sous statement. >> so sorry, but that is a lud sous searly|ent. >> so sorry, but that is a lud sous searly signs are good. >> so the early signs are good. but will sunak's government hold their nerve against the establishment? civil servants and even the wets in their own party? i'll pose that in my

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