also, do we live in a world dominated by cancel culture and censorship? i'll be discussing this with my panel of thoughtful guests, and we'll be joined by sharif aj guests, and we'll be joined by sharif a] to discuss a landmark run happening in london this weekend, all about how running supports mental health. all of that and more coming up. but first, an update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez . as . neil. >> thank you and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom. a woman arrested after a land rover crashed into a prep school in south london, killing two children has been repaid .

two children has been repaid. and until january, the 46 year old was arrested at the scene on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. it happened at an end of year. tea party at the study prep school in wimbledon in july, 16 people were treated at the scene of the crash, several, including a seven month old girl, were taken to hospital with non—life threatening injuries. boris johnson has warned rishi sunak against delivering a mutilated version of hs2. the former prime minister says curtailing over costs for the height of insanity and desperate a treasury driven nonsense . he's urged prime nonsense. he's urged prime minister to deliver on the tories 2019 levelling up pledge . the government has refused to deny reports claiming the birmingham to manchester route will be scrapped. david cameron has also raised concerns , has also raised concerns, according to reports in the times, which claims the planned line to the east midlands parkway could also be under threat. shadow cabinet minister anneliese dodds says the country

needs clarity. >> this was a major plank of the government's claims around levelling up. there has been speculation in, in fact over the last 13 years, including just the last few days around these projects . that's not the way to projects. that's not the way to be delivering that kind of infrastructure and labour would have a very different approach. we would make sure not only that we sped up infrastructure projects, but that we then didn't have this kind of speculation and instability because it's causing huge, huge issues for our countries reputation . reputation. >> meanwhile, rishi sunak is considering plans that would effectively ban cigarettes for the next generation. it would entail steadily increasing the legal age for consuming tobacco , as reported in the guardian . , as reported in the guardian. if implemented by 2026, it would mean anyone aged 15 and under now would never be able to buy a cigarette . but smoking costs cigarette. but smoking costs society £17 billion, according to government research, with 2.4 billion to the nhs alone .

billion to the nhs alone. ministers are also understood to be drawing up plans to ban disposable vapes . be drawing up plans to ban disposable vapes. humans could lose control to machines because of artificial intelligence developing too fast for regulators to keep up with. that's the view of the deputy prime minister, who urged world leaders to recognise the threat of ai at the un general assembly in new york. oliver dowden says the government will push to create an international regulatory body when the uk hosts an ai safety summit in november. in an effort to protect humanitys future . protect humanitys future. >> ai revolution will be a bracing test for the multi lateral system to show that it can work together on a question that will define the fate of humanity . our future human humanity. our future human cities, future, our entire planet's future depends on our ability to do so . that is our

ability to do so. that is our challenge and this is our opportunity to be truly the united nations . united nations. >> anti—monarchy campaigners have staged a protest inside of buckingham palace. members of repubuc buckingham palace. members of republic staged the protest inside of the grand hall. they unveiled t shirts which spelled out not my king. six of the activists involved were briefly detained by security before being escorted out of the front gate . hundreds of activists gate. hundreds of activists marched to whitehall in london earlier today, calling on the government to u—turn on brexit and return to the bloc. clusters of metropolitan police officers monitored the demonstration as protesters in blue and yellow handed out flyers . the uk voted handed out flyers. the uk voted to leave the european union in a referendum in 2016 called by the then prime minister david cameron. peter core leader and co—founder of the national rejoin march, says it felt like everyone had given up on the

cause. >> half the speakers are under 35 years old and we've we had a bit of trouble getting people from universities here like we're trying because it's freshers week, so they're all doing different university events. this weekend. but everywhere we universities , everywhere we go, universities, eurovision, young people flock to us, take flags, take the flyers, our very enthusiastic as if you stick around for your speeches , you'll hear from young speeches, you'll hear from young speakers on stage. >> and finally , nearly a third >> and finally, nearly a third of patients have suffered long term organ damage as a result of covid 19. that's according to findings of a new study . it says findings of a new study. it says abnormalities in the lungs were almost 14 times higher in those who'd had the virus. abnormal findings involving the brain and kidneys with three and two times higher, respectively . the extent higher, respectively. the extent of the damage was often influenced by the severity of their infection, their age and other diseases body . this other diseases in the body. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio

and on your smart speaker. by saying play gb news now it's back to . neil back to. neil >> it's time for those with their sweaty fists inside the sock puppets those hollow things we're expected to believe are running the show. to fish or cut bait. either those puppeteers grow some and have their puppets mouth the words once and for all that we live now in a dictatorship where niceties like free speech due process and equality before the law no longer apply. or they accept what so many suspect , that they what so many suspect, that they haven't got the necessary nerve to look in the eyes and tell us what they really have in mind. and so back off. they times the choices, as they say . while choices, as they say. while those puppet masters obfuscate, dissemble and distract, all the while polishing their fantasies and their bond villain layers. it's long past time for the rest

of us. those that care about free speech and presumption of innocence and the like to talk loudly and honestly without fear of consequences about what matters to all of us. because the truth is, we are talking loudly and honestly about less and less . we're still not and less. we're still not talking about all the harm done to our children on account of covid and lockdown and the rest of the nonsense. we're not talking about those left dead or injured by the products pushed as vaccines. we're not talking about hundreds of excess deaths every month after month of every day, month after month of people, young and old, now sick and dying, dying of all sorts, because too many people don't even want to think about what they know in their hearts. we're not talking about the torrent of taxpayers money flooding into ukraine and into the bank accounts of warmongers and oligarchs and all the international villains of the day . we're not talking about day. we're not talking about that because people are made afraid of the names they will be called and action that might be taken against if they taken against them if they question that

question the narrative that enriches and sees to the enriches the few and sees to the slaughter of hundreds of thousands. we're also not talking about the blatant seizure freedom, seizure and erasure of freedom, about imposition of more and about the imposition of more and more surveillance . we're not more surveillance. we're not talking about how so—called talking about how a so—called online safety bill has metastore sized in parliament. legislate that empowers ofcom and tech moguls to dictate what may or may not be posted online than we are to be gagged , digital hands are to be gagged, digital hands clasped over our mouths among the overreach in the bill as government power to force companies to provide them with secret backdoors into encrypted conversations so that privacy is at an end and the government and its little wizards can try whatever they like, regardless of consent . remember, we voted of consent. remember, we voted for none of this, not so much as a word of it. the online safety bill is a charter for eavesdropping and eavesdropping with malicious intent establishment snooping into yet another private place, an end to private conversations altogether . not for the first time, i ask , who do these people think they

are ? can it be only are? can it be only a coincidence that while the bill was passing through parliament, backbench mp dame caroline dinnage took it upon herself to use the power of the government. she represents to try and choke off an individual's livelihood. we should be talking loudly about the fact she's married to about the fact she's married to a sometime high up in the 77th brigade. the military wing of the propaganda war still being waged against the taxpaying pubuc waged against the taxpaying public tasked with controlling the narrative. it's not just the authorities and the 77th brigade doing the watching and seeking the silencing and the censorship . their purpose is to drive division so that more and more citizens are tricked into doing the state's dirty work for them. more and more people are watching their neighbour's digital net curtains twitching in hopes of finding something they can use to do harm as often as not to people they've never met and don't even know. the authorities are wilfully arming and encouraging the mob and that always ends well, as history shows , so many enjoy the burning

shows, so many enjoy the burning of a witch , which they did in of a witch, which they did in 17th century salem, massachusetts . and they do in massachusetts. and they do in 21st century britain as it turns out, as it always turns out. we're also not talking about an energy bill mps passed this month by a huge majority that empowers the state to kick your doorin empowers the state to kick your door in if you're not obeying every diktat of the green agenda and net zero and the rest of the suicide note written on our behalf by the zealots pushing what i call the climate hoax legislation that imposes more severe penalties for lighting a wood burning stove and for attacking a stranger in the street . but we're not talking street. but we're not talking about the overmighty parliament displaying contempt for displaying blatant contempt for the people you and me that are paid and sworn to serve . instead paid and sworn to serve. instead of and shouting like we of talking and shouting like we should doing now, we're should be doing now, we're increasingly smothered by a blanket silence , woven of blanket of silence, woven of fear, the consequences of fear, of the consequences of speaking up and speaking out . speaking up and speaking out. but that fear is the key . but that fear is the key. locking us inside a cage that otherwise does exist. i say otherwise does not exist. i say we're not talking loudly enough about any of the things that

matter, and we all know that that's plain wrong and will be our undoing if we don't change our undoing if we don't change our ways . i say those in our ways. i say those in authority taking these draconian steps are labouring under the misapprehension that they're clever cleverer than all of us. i say they are in fact stupid , i say they are in fact stupid, or at least stupid clever by which i mean that lethal condition afflicting those who believe they're clever when in reality they're dumber than dirt . i see too many of those in authority are arrogant most of all, and that arrogance is the handmaiden of ignorance. and in the final analysis , where the the final analysis, where the reckoning is made, they are ignorant of what means to be ignorant of what it means to be human alive . again, i say, human and alive. again, i say, it's never about what they say. it's about all online safety is sold as protecting children if they or anyone in authority cared about children in the onune cared about children in the online world or the real world, they would talk about child trafficking . they would release trafficking. they would release the epstein client list . but the epstein client list. but instead of moving heaven and earth to destroy or that, earth to destroy this or that, individual , they would act. in individual, they would act. in the case of the innumerable rapes children

rapes and abuses of children happen every day in town. after town, where i ask , is the wall town, where i ask, is the wall town, where i ask, is the wall to wall front page to front page outrage about that and a thousand other horrors . child thousand other horrors. child trafficking and i do mean children, including babies and toddlers, are bought and sold all around the world into slavery, into rape. and instead of broadcasting that, what do we get from the mainstream media for just another unedifying spectacle? bread and circuses from the servants of the state? instead of exposing the wholesale wrongs of the world, we have to swallow down our gorge as they preen and strut and boast about the power of investigative journalism in relation to the choreographed destruction of the one. after sitting on their hands and salaries for three years of calamity lockdowns, destruction of rights and the rest . never in of rights and the rest. never in the field of human conflict have so many blind eyes been turned to the suffering of the children. let's call the online safety bill what it really is, what it's really for. safety bill what it really is, what it's really for . and no what it's really for. and no more and no less than a volume control that allows the

authorities to turn down all the way silence voices. they way to silence voices. they don't want anyone to hear. speaking myself for speaking for myself for a moment, i know my every move on social media is watched in hopes of weaponizing it. i still don't bother to check what other people follow, what they click their like buttons about, or why i but unknown numbers watch me around the clock with nothing but mischief and harm in their hearts . in the but mischief and harm in their hearts. in the past few but mischief and harm in their hearts . in the past few years, hearts. in the past few years, those curtain twitchers have seen to it that i've parted company with the national trust for scotland , for whom i was the for scotland, for whom i was the first and only president who wasn't an aristocrat, but from combat , a charity for war combat stress, a charity for war veterans suffering from post traumatic stress disorder , for traumatic stress disorder, for whom was a patron. by the whom i was a patron. by the sunday times scotland, for sunday times in scotland, for whom columnist the whom i was a columnist by the association of lighthouse keepers, for whom i was a patron by these islands, a group campaigning for scotland to remain part of the uk. most recently the royal society of edinburgh informed me my spoken views were incompatible with my fellowship and as soon as i

realised they wanted fellows to think and speak as they were told and that the rsc was therefore less a body of scientific inquiry and more a cult, adopt them like a hot potato. silence buying and censoring are everywhere . last censoring are everywhere. last week a good friend of mine was suspended from the social media platform formerly known as twitter, for no reason , he could twitter, for no reason, he could discern that he co—hosted along with me and laurence fox, another good friend , an online another good friend, an online discussion about tyranny and the need for change that he later engagedin need for change that he later engaged in debate with interested parties about direct democracy and the power of the people may or may not have played its part in having him sent naughty step . online sent to the naughty step. online protest many supporters protest by his many supporters got him reinstated the same day. as if to prove the point of what is easily done by people acting together, our voices used to tell the truth. are all any of us really has. more than anything else, these years, just past have been about keeping us apart. driving division everywhere people meet was closed. people were frightened into their homes. now the online

world, they chased us into turns out to be something else. they feel the need to shut down. they didn't see that one coming. those stupid, clever people. but people talk and the truth will out. here's the thing. this is a tipping point. do we come together every colour and creed and share the truth and tell the stupid clever to where go? or do we close our mouths forever and go home to be alone? i'm all for shouting now . and if dame shouting now. and if dame caroline has me in her sights, she can address the letter to the coast guy scotland. the the coast guy in scotland. the royal mail know live . royal mail know where i live. joining me tonight throughout the show , tonia buxton, the show, tonia buxton, political commentator and author and narinder kaur broadcaster and narinder kaur broadcaster and social commentator . welcome and social commentator. welcome to you both. >> thank you for having us on. >> thank you for having us on. >> darren, i'll come to you first. i think we're in danger. i think our freedom is under threat as never before . what say

threat as never before. what say you?i threat as never before. what say you? i think when you use things like our freedom and censorship and all of that, i think you are disrespecting an alleged rape victim and it's diluting their voices. >> and i think that's very dangerous . and i don't like it dangerous. and i don't like it because when you come across and saying, well, brands been censored and he's been stopped andifs censored and he's been stopped and it's because he's outing all these people, his victims have got a voice. his alleged victims is by his own saying in these books. have you read his books? he treats women despicably. yes. he treats women despicably. yes. he treated women despicably. he has tv for that. that doesn't make it right. it doesn't it doesn't word is allege it doesn't. >> no. no charges , though. no >> no. no charges, though. no charges. we have to have due process or where are we. but you see, i still think, therefore, you're almost coming across as a rapist apologist or a brand apologist. >> goodness, narinder kaur. sorry one minute. let me finish. let finish . finish quickly. sorry one minute. let me finish. let can't1ish . finish quickly. sorry one minute. let me finish. let can't sit| . finish quickly. sorry one minute. let me finish. let can't sit thereish quickly. sorry one minute. let me finish. let can't sit there andjuickly. sorry one minute. let me finish. let can't sit there and say, .y. you can't sit there and say, well, they're being censored and it's due process. of course, we

all believe in innocent before guilty. however rape charges don't and to make it to a don't last and to make it to a caucus, therefore , nor do you caucus, therefore, nor do you have no responsibility , no have no responsibility, no charges. do we have exactly . charges. do we have exactly. there's no charges. >> may i speak now ? may i speak >> may i speak now? may i speak now? the point is, it's all alleged. it is all alleged. and you're right, alleged. it is all alleged. and you're right , the police do a you're right, the police do a rubbish job when it comes to taking to charges and taking rape to rape charges and processing them. they've treated the victims badly. but in this city nation and you should know better . you mother of both better. you are a mother of both sons , a son and a daughter. so sons, a son and a daughter. so somebody knocks on your door, somebody knocks on your door, some knocks on your door some girl knocks on your door and says your son raped me. you say, well, off you go. then off you go. otherwise, if you doubt her and you know your son, i know my son, you know your son wouldn't do that. and if you doubt her, you are what? what you just accused neil no but you just accused neil of? no but what daughter. what if my daughter. >> daughter 16 years old >> my daughter is 16 years old and some 30 year old man comes up to her and tries it on and tells her to sit in for tells her to sit in a box for two hours. would knock your

two hours. would you knock your either please? >> those parents drove. they drove driver. >> those parents drove. they drothe driver. >> those parents drove. they drothe parentsr. >> those parents drove. they drothe parents got to be drove her. >> we've got to be very careful about we're talking about the we're talking there about the alleged details of something which yet to be investigated which has yet to be investigated by due process . by due process. >> what i am saying is that each one of us is entitled to process and presumption of innocence. he's entitled to step into a world where that is set aside and he will be any one of us is liable to guilt by is liable to conviction by allegation. >> however, that is that is wrong. however for neil. rape victims , alleged rape victims victims, alleged rape victims also find it very difficult to speak out and actually it takes the media hobby . weinstein it the media hobby. weinstein it was the journalist. i would not have you will not have. >> journalist if will not have you will not. >> i will not have you comparing tanya because know i'm a bit older than you and i was out in the noughties. >> i was in big brother with i was in that scene. i saw those girls throwing themselves at young men. >> no, no, sorry.

>> you've got two daughters throwing themselves. >> harvey weinstein. >> harvey weinstein. >> i need to step in. >> i need to step in. >> i need to step in. >> i need to step in here. i need to step in here. but we cannot. cannot about cannot. you cannot talk about victims. you cannot talk. >> alleged victims. alleged victims. you cannot talk. >> however, 'ictims. alleged victims. you cannot talk. >> however, 'icti|talk\lleged victims. you cannot talk. >> however, 'icti|talk abouti victims. you cannot talk. >> however, 'icti|talk about alec. >> however, we talk about alec. you only talk about you can only talk about allegations. there's allegations. and until there's due cannot take due process, you cannot take away an individual's. due process, you cannot take away an individual's . right. away an individual's. right. okay. but can i tell you what? >> we can take away the man himself in his books has talked about how disgusting he treated women. talked oh, women. he's talked about. oh, well, about his well, he talked about his promiscuity. no no. i was around big brother when i was around him. tv enabled him. tv enabled him. tv enabled him. tv enabled him . you've got disabled him, him. you've got disabled him, you've got daughters . a daughter you've got daughters. a daughter thatis you've got daughters. a daughter that is enabled him. they enabled enabled. so therefore, we have a responsibility, a moral responsibility to say, hang on, we're going to pull the stops here a bit. now, russell. russell, you were allowed to get away with it. you are allowing men, you, tony, you've got daughters . you are allowed to daughters. you are allowed to say, come on, take it away. >> but we have to we have to look after every single one of

us. if a system cannot us. because if a system cannot protect of us, i say it protect all of us, i say it cannot protect any of us. but we've got to go to women, after which we'll pick up this conversation. norman fenton, professor norman fenton will join panellists to join me and my panellists to discuss we're living in discuss whether we're living in a world dominated by cancel culture censorship. in culture and censorship. back in a but

radio. >> welcome back to neil oliver live. if the week just past has taught us anything, i'd say it's that cancellation and censorship of the individual are going from strength to strength and freedom. loving people are continuing ask questions continuing to ask questions about due process and about presumption innocence . in the presumption of innocence. in the case of individuals accused of wrongdoing. my first guest tonight is professor norman fenton, a mathematician, a specialist in risk who might be able to focus our attention in what is a very broad area of

debate. thank you, professor. >> thanks for having me on. >> thanks for having me on. >> what about my contention that state censorship is on the rise? yes or no? well absolutely. >> i mean, i was listening to your monologue there and you were about were talking about your experiences censorship and experiences of censorship and cancellation. mean, i have as cancellation. i mean, i have as an academic, have experience this in a very, very serious ways. i mean, i was considered to be i was quite well respected in my field for many years. i was i had 350 peer reviewed papers and six books. but as soon as i started to challenge the official narrative on covid statistics because that's an area of specialisation , for area of specialisation, for example, i was using public available data simply to show that the virus wasn't as lethal as was being claimed and the lockdowns weren't effective and they were actually catastrophic in their effect . and the in their effect. and the vaccines weren't as safe and effective as being claimed . i effective as being claimed. i was basically cancelled . i was, was basically cancelled. i was, you know, at the i was got out on social media. i was called a rabid misinformation merchant.

and i was basically i was shunned by my academic colleagues and cancelled in a similar way to what you were saying. so i'll give you an example. in july, i was due to speak at a big nhs conference on data analytics, which is my specialist area. nothing to do with anything i've been doing on covid. then the last minute covid. and then the last minute they just decided to cancel me because people like the 77th brigade at alerted them . the brigade at alerted them. the organisers to my twitter feeds and yeah they said that i was that my presence at the conference would be a distraction and that my views were incompatible with the with the views of the nhs. >> incompatible. yeah. no that would the 77th brigade. a lot of people are either unaware of the 77th brigade or if they have heard the words, they think it's, you know, it's some sort of conspiracy. what is the what is the reality there? >> so thing about the 77th >> so the thing about the 77th brigade, set up brigade, i think it was set up in 2015 as actual division of the british army, and it's supposed a sort of supposed to be a sort of a counterintel evidence unit. it was to sort of

was ideally intended to sort of counter potential terrorist threats from foreigners. but as i think you mentioned in your monologue, it's actually being used against people like myself who simply challenged the official narrative on covid. and also they do the same for on on on climate and stuff like that. and the thing is that it's not the idea of a conspiracy that is bizarre because actually the general, nick carter, he actually confirmed in at the start of covid in in april of 2020, he actually said that they were helping to quash the 77th brigade, was helping to quash rumours from misinformation. and then this year , in january, it then this year, in january, it was the defence secretary, ben wallace, announced that indeed there had been the whistleblower claims that they were spying on british citizens. now the thing about this 77th brigade is that you don't need any particular special qualifications to join it. anyone can actually apply to join. they've got sort of a computer computer access because it's all about what these people are doing. they're like sad

characters , actually, you know, characters, actually, you know, sort of sitting on their computer trolling people like me who challenging the who are challenging the government narrative and then whipping up these campaigns as these these hate campaigns on twitter to get us cancelled, to get us censored and stuff like that. >> narinder kaur how you listen to that, how do you feel knowing that you're living in a in a country where as a as a citizen, you're actually having a of you're actually having a wing of the british army without your knowledge, potentially watching what you're and watching what you're doing and watching others doing and others around you doing and seeing doing seeing what you're doing and saying, no, scary. saying, well, no, that's scary. >> and sounds actually >> and that sounds actually dreadful, but, but, but industries corporation and companies need checks . people companies need checks. people can't be allowed to get away with things that they're not allowed to do. you know, whether it's it's it's morally whether it's unfortunately the unfortunately, it's not the companies that they're challenging. >> it's individual people. >> it's individual people. >> he hasn't been like myself . >> he hasn't been like myself. >> he hasn't been like myself. >> right? like, i don't want i don't want to talk for an hour about individual who yet about one individual who has yet is subject to allegation . is just subject to allegation. >> but tonya, do you feel that you live in a climate of

deliberately choreographed fear ? is that's supposed to put you in a box? >> the problem is, is that what they're looking for and what they're looking for and what they challenged you in was the truth. and this is what's so frightening. being frightening. we're being cancelled speaking the cancelled for just speaking the truth . the data you were truth. the data that you were talking during that talking about during covid that you criticising the you were criticising the government for was the truth. it was their data. so we are being told to silence the truth. i'm finding myself self censoring myself because the fear is getting to me and i'm brave and it's getting to me. so how is anybody not be brave and stand up to this? yes, i am censoring myself as well with the recent canadian indian and the canadian government have accused india of being involved in the killing of the khalistan leader. >> and i tweeted about it and suddenly my algorithm went down my route went down. honestly, it was like a blackout. so we are being i'm scared now being censored. i'm scared now to about because to talk about that because someone's censored me somewhere that to talk that you're not allowed to talk about but and that's

about this. but and that's dangerous. however, checks do need place if it's need to be in place if it's missing a person who should decide what's misinformation, we're about truth. we're talking about the truth. >> right to say, isn't it? >> it's right to say, isn't it? i mean, i've regularly i mean, i have i've regularly had here dr. joan campbell, had on here dr. joan campbell, for example. and he assiduously refers to data and other official sources, government sources from here and from around the world. and yet even saying things that are true get taken down by the by the moguls that run these tech platforms . that run these tech platforms. what on earth is motivating the silencing of the government's own truth? >> i don't know. i mean , we >> i don't know. i mean, we i mean, we only really looked at the mainly ons data that's where we were digging a bit deeper than the superficial level, and that's where we were finding these problems with the lack of efficacy and lack of safety. for example, the vaccine as as example, with the vaccine as as well as the biased , there was a well as the biased, there was a massive biases in their data set which unravelled, which was which we unravelled, which was all helping to contribute to the sort of the this basically the wrong message, the wrong

narrative about what was really going on there. but i mean, going on there. but i mean, going back to going back to the 77th brigade on this and the threat they posed, i mean, the strange thing about these these people, they actually i think they seriously envisage themselves sitting in their in their computers, their their computers, in their basement. they see basement. i think they see themselves kind of like on themselves as kind of like on line. bond. right. whereas line. james bond. right. whereas actually more actually they're more like a kind of like, you know, more like austin powers , mini me's. like austin powers, mini me's. i mean, these, people are mean, these, these people are really you're really going to trigger them. >> you know, is what this is. >> you've got no idea the extent that will go, can that they will go, you can simply quote this, the thing you will will will quote, i will quote government statistics how government statistics or how we've analysed to we've actually analysed them to reveal, say , a narrative reveal, let's say, a narrative which is different from the one that the ministers are providing . trolls, these . and these these trolls, these 77 brigade. >> the answer is money. >> the answer is money. >> but these 77 brigade trolls, they absolutely pile in. and they absolutely pile in. and they said, right, this they said, all right, get this guy from queen mary. guy sacked from queen mary. get this you get this guy this guy, you know, get this guy off media, get him to off social media, get him to lose your whole career. well, in the i mean, i was i, i

the end, i mean, i was i, i retired at the end december retired at the end of december to take an honorary professorship . but obviously, professorship. but obviously, there were severe pressures on there were severe pressures on me there were severe pressures on me and my all of my research was being massively censored. i can no longer get my research published out. i was being cancelled. my seminars were being cancelled. >> the example. this >> so this is the example. this is you get. is what you get. >> very example. >> very different example. >> very different example. >> it's just another >> yeah, it's just another example. i'm talking about having the chance to speak the truth without being cancelled. i am no longer a tv cook. that's what i did. i had series on the discovery channel, food and travel, and not once when i went on any of the terrestrial channels to cook did i discuss politics. but i spoke out very, very sharp and very loudly about the fact that lockdowns were going to kill people. and they have. and because of that, i've ceased to be a travel and food journalist, presenter doing all the things i have. i became an activist because i had no other choice. i was cancelled because ispoke choice. i was cancelled because i spoke the truth. i only spoke the truth . and the same with the truth. and the same with

ofcom here on this channel, which i adore and i work here. i have been challenged twice by ofcom for telling the truth . yes ofcom for telling the truth. yes but i. >> i mean , look, do you defend >> i mean, look, do you defend will you defend that the silencing of truth. >> just that that's your truth. >> just that that's your truth. >> it's. >> it's. >> no, no, no. it's it's only one dup with silencing any any truth or any voices. >> i think this, you know, we live in a free world. however i think we have responsibilities of safeguarding thing. and i think we have responsibilities to tell people a balanced view as well. i don't agree with just one view, and that may be your truth or that's their truth. but i believe in balance and i believe in safeguarding and i believe in safeguarding and i believe keeping women safe believe in keeping women safe more anything of more than anything in terms of what discussing before. what we were discussing before. i very important what we were discussing before. i the very important what we were discussing before. i the break, important what we were discussing before. i the break, which :ant what we were discussing before. i the break, which ist what we were discussing before. i the break, which is where after the break, which is where we are. we are. >> we are. >> again, we'll continue this discussion on cancel culture and everything surrounds it everything that surrounds it with fenton and with professor norman fenton and with professor norman fenton and with and with narinder. with tanya and with narinder. stay . us stay with. us >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers proud sponsors

of weather on gb news as. hello there. >> welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to sunday, a very different day compared to today. spells of heavy rain, especially across the northern half of the uk. that's all courtesy of this area of low pressure. it will move the of high pressure away the area of high pressure away towards continent, giving towards the continent, giving a very day for some of very unsettled day for some of us may hang on to the largely settled conditions times settled conditions at times across southeast. but as across the southeast. but as we go tonight, you can see go into tonight, you can see this area rain gradually this area of rain gradually working way eastwards across working its way eastwards across many the uk. heaviest, many parts of the uk. heaviest, the rain across scotland, the south—east just remaining largely dry with the clearest of the skies. for all of us, a the skies. but for all of us, a milder night, then last night, we see lows falling not we will see lows falling not much lower than around 10 to 12 degrees. but we do start sunday off a rather wet note across off on a rather wet note across parts of wales into the midlands , this area of rain will gradually its way gradually work its way northwards we go through the northwards as we go through the course quite course of the day, turning quite heavy of northern

heavy for parts of northern ireland and scotland. a thoroughly afternoon come thoroughly wet afternoon to come here, will turn brighter here, but it will turn brighter and across the south. so and drier across the south. so some sunshine to end the day here, feeling quite warm. 21 degrees towards the degrees down towards the southeast elsewhere, the southeast. elsewhere, the temperatures somewhat temperatures tempered somewhat by strong wind into monday. by that strong wind into monday. the overnight rain clearing really leaving a mixture of sunshine and scattered showers. some of the showers potentially quite heavy and thundery across the northern half of the uk with the northern half of the uk with the best of the sunshine down towards the south. but the unsettled weather is set to continue go into next week continue as we go into next week , potentially turning very wet and wednesday . and windy on wednesday. >> looks like things are heating up. box boilers, proud sponsors of weather on

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tanya and narinder to continue this conversation on. i am very alarmed by what i mentioned in the in the monologue at the top of the show that a backbench mp would use the power of government by association to try and cut an individual off from their livelihood before they've been charged with a crime where are we if we're in a situation where where the government itself is contemplating that kind of action? >> well, it's even worse. it's the fact that this you know, caroline diner, who's the baroness lancaster kimbolton, baroness lancaster of kimbolton, should written to gb news should have written to gb news and admonished bev turner. >> i'll tell you why i why i agree with that somewhat. wait minute. >> can i just can i just hear from can i just hear from carrie on your thought? >> she was simply admonishing bev for simply expressing her views and i saw the interview. there was it andrew pierce there was a it was andrew pierce was putting the other side of it. it seemed to me it. so there was it seemed to me that that was a perfectly fair debate. and bev was perfectly within reason express within reason to express her views. but again, it's interesting. you interesting. i mean, you

mentioned who who is mentioned herself who is who is her it's mark her husband? it's mark lancaster, the baron lancaster of and he is the guy of kimbolton. and he is the guy who was actually he was the deputy of the 77th deputy commander of the 77th brigade. again, as we mentioned at the time, when they were basically instigating these these these really worrying is that that it's not uniform. >> firstly and foremostly. how dare someone come in and take someone's livelihood that has not been charged, haven't taken his livelihood. hang on a minute i >> -- >> they have they told you to stop monitoring responsible. they have to responsible. they have to be responsible. >> know, didn't do >> but, you know, they didn't do it. a rapper i'm sorry, it. there's a rapper i'm sorry, in laura dodsworth's substack it. there's a rapper i'm sorry, in l.this dodsworth's substack it. there's a rapper i'm sorry, in l.this dodsw0|can'tsubstack it. there's a rapper i'm sorry, in l.this dodsw0|can't remember this this week. i can't remember the name, but there is the rapper's name, but there is a rapper who shot a woman's foot and dance, be dance , be and saying, dance, be dance, be the word. and he is still in the bad word. and he is still in prison for ten years. and you his youtube channel, the monetisation monetisation has not been stopped. >> but shall i tell you why? you know, why should i tell you why? >> his brand's been stopped and this guy hasn't been. he's allowed to go on any because his political views aren't with what

is in fashion at the moment. political views aren't with what is in fashion at the moment . and is in fashion at the moment. and what and that's fine. >> however, i agree that having beenin >> however, i agree that having been in big brother and seen russell brand and been around that scene for many years, does it matter how many years ago? because because back how because because back then how suffered and i wish tony, because because back then how suf med and i wish tony, because because back then how suf me speak, and i wish tony, because because back then how suf me speak, buti i wish tony, because because back then how suf me speak, but just'ish tony, because because back then how suf me speak, but just telltony, because because back then how suf me speak, but just tell me. let me speak, but just tell me. no doesn't matter. because at the end of the day, i was not protected and i had protected and i wish i had a government body because the police going to do police weren't going to do anything. be honest. i anything. let's be honest. and i wish we a government body to wish we had a government body to say, minute, this say, hang on a minute, this industry, the tv on industry, the media, the tv on enabung industry, the media, the tv on enabling offenders enabling possible sex offenders indefinitely . that's i wanted indefinitely. that's i wanted protection . women need protection. women need protection. women need protection that has to be that has to be kept entirely separate from what i say is the is the burgeoning issue, which is you cannoti burgeoning issue, which is you cannot i see we cut someone off from a way to make a living when they haven't been charged. >> far less convicted of any crime. you can hold whatever opinion you want. >> human rights have a youtube channel. it's not a human right to have a youtube channel about human. they haven't stopped him.

he out videos and he can still put out videos and he's found another platform anyway. mustn't it? >> mustn't it mustn't be always about this one individual that we to. we keep going back to. >> it's what's going on in society at moment that society at the moment that countess name duchess countess what's her name duchess . whatever it is. dinnage she baron is one of those. one of those isn't it? against our magna carta. hasn't she gone against our oldest laws by doing what she has done by stopping an innocent man ? an innocent man innocent man? an innocent man who has not been charged? we are in alleged innocence about this country. >> there is no agenda. >> there is no agenda. >> there is no agenda. >> the one thing about this country that makes brilliant, there is no alleged . there is no alleged. >> let's be clear. >> he's in presumption of innocence. >> you don't have to prove your innocence morally. >> he is a terrible man. morally he is a terrible man. >> we can't have. what about morality of the baron lancaster of kimbolton ? that's worth of kimbolton? that's worth looking at. >> why don't you have a look at that? so, no, absolutely . that? so, no, absolutely. >> and just to be clear, tanya, if i can pick up on your point about magna clause 39. about magna carta clause 39. now, something we

now, this was something we understood 1215, no understood in 1215, right? no free is be arrested or free man is to be arrested or imprisoned deceased . that's imprisoned or deceased. that's to be dispossessed or outlawed or exiled or in any way ruined or exiled or in any way ruined or in any way ruined. nor will we go against him except by the lawful judgement of his peers or by the law of land. it's irrelevant. what do you think ? irrelevant. what do you think? >> he's been ruined. he's still out there. he's still doing videos . he out there. he's still doing videos. he hasn't been out there. he's still doing videos . he hasn't been arrested. videos. he hasn't been arrested. >> don't you ask? >> why don't you ask? absolutely, and why absolutely, richard. and why don't cliff, richard and don't you ask cliff, richard and paul whether paul and paul gambaccini whether they're ruined? >> harvey weinsteins, >> well, harvey weinsteins, victim . >> well, harvey weinsteins, victno, know, but these >> no, i know, but these innocent men were tried by media. i have been the professor. >> how do we reclaim common sense here? the presumption of innocence, insisting on due process. what are the how how do we go about pulling back from what i think is an abyss into a very dark place? >> i don't know. i'm quite pessimistic. i mean, simply, i mean, i'll give you an example of pessimistic about of why i'm pessimistic about this. maybe is some this. and maybe there is some way for what i don't know. but you know, i'm a jewish and you know, i'm a jewish man and i was accused anti—semitism

was accused of anti—semitism simply i raised simply because i raised questions i'd mentioned probably mentioned the word globalist , mentioned the word globalist, and once had criticised and i maybe once had criticised george soros and because of that i was called i was accused as an anti—semitic dog whistle, be called accused of anti—semitism . and the same thing happened with andrew bridgen . i was happy with andrew bridgen. i was happy to a statement to put out a statement supporting because he supporting him just because he simply mentioned the holocaust and the harms from the vaccines. you know , in the in the same you know, in the in the same speech. so i think that the thing is so we have that we have to we have to say no, that these are the we have to actually highlight why these are not these are not it's not reasonable to make those kinds of links. and show actually laugh at the people. how ridiculous it is. but that's what they they're accusing people like me of all people of being anti—semitic because they're . they're wrong. >> what they then do is they >> and what they then do is they other they other us, they other us, they other us, they call anti—semitic . they call you anti—semitic. they call. but they're in me anti woman. a transphobe . woman. i'm called a transphobe. i'm called racist. i'm called i'm called a racist. i'm called all things for

all these things just for speaking a common sense. you can't say that actually just wrong that i have a line. you have to have a i give you an example. can may i just give you an example? a friend of mine is jewish. his his grandfather was a was a holocaust survivor and he used to take him to speakers corner people be corner where people would be standing terrible standing on box saying terrible things about jewish people, terrible lots of terrible things about lots of things. know, when you could things. you know, when you could stand on a box in speakers corner and his grandfather would say, is this say, and this is why this country is so great his country is so great and his grandson would you grandson would say, are you listening to what he's saying? he goes, but when lose he goes, yes, but when we lose the free speech to the right to our free speech to say what we want, you can't go wrong we the word wrong is when we lose the word of the humanity. >> you can't that. >> you can't do that. >> you can't do that. >> allowed say whatever we >> allowed to say whatever we want. yes, should be want. and yes, you should be allowed to say whatever you can. >> i just want to come back to the professor. you you're the professor. you say you're pessimistic. possible that pessimistic. is it possible that you could end on an optimistic note? because i would like to think that based on you've think that based on what you've studied you have studied and what you have understood the situation,

understood about the situation, that can point the right that you can point in the right direction . direction. >> yes, think more people are >> yes, i think more people are waking up to the fact that the whole narrative over covid and increasingly, you know, the i always said the covid lockdowns were always going to lead to the, you know, the thirst for sort climate lockdowns with sort of climate lockdowns with the stuff. think the net zero stuff. i think people now are realising that they were sold a lie on a lot of these things. right. i mean, i was on the rally today, the freedom march rally, where i think know, to 2 think people who you know, to 2 or 3 years ago wouldn't have been because they'd been been on that because they'd been awoken things like the 15 awoken by things like the 15 minute cities, the ulez . i awoken by things like the 15 minute cities, the ulez. i think there is a bit of an awakening where people realise optimism. >> i wanted professor well, i've simply out of time. thank simply run out of time. thank you though for coming in you so much though for coming in and taking part in what was a very lively debate. the very lively debate. after the break, discussing break, we'll be discussing a landmark taking place in landmark run taking place in london tomorrow. and we'll be discussing how it can help with mental don't go anywhere mental health. don't go anywhere

welcome back to neil oliver. i am still live . tomorrow we'll am still live. tomorrow we'll see thousands of people hopefully taking part in a ten kilometre run through london. that's all about boosting mental health, really all about well—being . more and more of us well—being. more and more of us have learned over the years, just past that, getting outside and walking or running is a dose of natural medicine. my final guest tonight is sheriff aj, who helps people take positive steps towards feeling better about themselves and about life. thank you so much for being here. thank you for being. i cannot let this slide by without confessing your behalf that confessing on your behalf that you were coming to a you thought you were coming to a radio studio and you didn't know you going on the you were going to be on the tele. no one tells me anything. >> my world. thank you >> you look my world. thank you very much. just off the very much. i just got off the hammersmith city line. i ran hammersmith and city line. i ran here because i thought i'd get. it's just read it's fine. i'll just read my points out my phone. you points out from my phone. you can't your phone telly. can't have your phone on telly. no >> know, you can, but

>> well, you know, you can, but not more prepared for tomorrow than coming into tv than you were for coming into tv studio. than you were for coming into tv stu�*are ready to go the >> are you ready to go the distance? >> honestly, no honest. >> honestly, we no honest. >> honestly, we no honest. >> no, i'm not. am >> no, i'm not. but i am mentally prepared. yes, physically prepared. probably mentally prepared. yes, phy asally prepared. probably mentally prepared. yes, phy as much epared. probably mentally prepared. yes, phy as much asared. probably mentally prepared. yes, phy as much asared. proba should not as much as somebody should be ten k, but this is the be for a ten k, but this is the most important thing we have to remember about tomorrow's race and tomorrow's race. the wave i'm going to be in is run to overcome. and it's a wave designed to run for your for your head and your heart, your mental health and your wellness. it's just about community and movement and actually just not looking times and looking at race times and remembering get the same medals. >> why does something like a run, example, help? what's >> why does something like a run,connection.e, help? what's >> why does something like a run,connection between what's >> why does something like a run,connection between doing; the connection between doing that and the inevitable feeling better that i think we can all agree we get. >> i think we all know that movements are amazing for us. no one ever goes, oh, i really regret going on that walk. that was a i really wish i didn't do that exercise every time i go for a run, as hard as it is to get those trainers on and get them, you know, when i finished that run, i feel amazing.

>> every single time. >> exactly. every single time. >> exactly. every single time. >> so feel >> exactly. so you feel incredible. that's it's incredible. and that's what it's all i think that the all about. and i think that the london and vitality are london marathon and vitality are doing incredible at doing an incredible job at encouraging people encouraging more people just to get involved in sport. and that's very kind of my that's very much kind of my background. actually started background. i actually started as model and really as a plus size model and really got sport in 2019. i did got into sport in 2019. i did a big run in my underwear with a bunch of women and deliberately, very much deliberately . of very much deliberately. of course, it was a hot day. you know, we had an amazing time and it was women of all different shapes and sizes and abilities all coming together do this all coming together to do this race. and it was an incredible day still to this day and still to this day, we remember and it's a it's remember it. and it's a it's a big important reminder that movement more than movement is so much more than the size of your body. what you look what your ability is, look like, what your ability is, what's your cardiovascular health. >> it's not about, you know, all about aspect. >> it's not about, you know, all aboit aspect. >> it's not about, you know, all aboi do. aspect. >> it's not about, you know, all aboi do. you pect. >> it's not about, you know, all aboi do. you know, i have a >> i do. you know, i have a i have a very, very fit husband and he looks amazing . he's and he looks amazing. he's nearly 60 years old. and the reason he is like hopefully, hopefully he's watching, by the way, the reason he that way, the reason he is like that and he won't mind saying

and he won't mind me saying is that he younger, he did that when he was younger, he did suffer depression and he suffer from depression and he was very lucky that he, a psychiatrist, him, run psychiatrist, told him, run through you run through it. you know, run through it. you know, run through and so he he did the through it. and so he he did the sports in order to help sports therapy in order to help his that's why he does his mind. and that's why he does it. it's now proved again it. it's now being proved again and it, that and again, isn't it, that medications always have and again, isn't it, that med effects, always have and again, isn't it, that med effects, but always have and again, isn't it, that med effects, but iflways have and again, isn't it, that med effects, but if you 5 have and again, isn't it, that med effects, but if you take e side effects, but if you take exercise into kind of help you get through the fudge, those blue , you can't feel bad blue times, you can't feel bad when you're walking through a forest . you know, it makes you forest. you know, it makes you feel better. you take in the air and it affects your brain and your mental health much more than , you maybe taking than, you know, maybe taking a medication. quite medication. they're not quite sure they so i think sure how they work. so i think it is the way forward. and what you're doing is brilliant because it's getting people to interact. sometimes it's hard to get get started. get people to get started. >> how many people are coming? i think >> how many people are coming? i thiri. >> how many people are coming? i thiri love thank for that >> i love thank you for that because love your point. because i love your point. i think that it's valid think that it's all valid medication and, know, nature medication and, you know, nature and all matters. it goes and all all matters. it all goes into one thing that creates into one big thing that creates an wellness and health an overall wellness and health and well—being for all of us, right? so sorry, i just missed

your matter your question. does it matter how people coming tomorrow? >> so how many are you expecting? >> oh, well, i didn't didn't >> oh, well, i didn't i didn't put on the race myself. so i can't tell you exactly how many people i think people are rsvp'd. but i think it's something might be getting this wrong here. 10,000. oh, wow. is the wow. close to 10,000 is the london marathon. tell me off that wrong number then. >> there's no get away, though . >> there's no get away, though. the past three years, let's say i've been especially hard for people, i mean, people, haven't they? i mean, you people curtailed. you know, people were curtailed. people people you know, people were curtailed. peop in people you know, people were curtailed. peop in their people you know, people were curtailed. peop in their homes. people you know, people were curtailed. peop in their homes. places eople you know, people were curtailed. peop in their homes. places were were in their homes. places were closed, gyms were closed. and all the rest of it, you know, all of the rest of it, you know, you you're talking about you know, you're talking about run overcome. people run to overcome. so many people have back a long way, have were set back a long way, weren't a long weren't they, and have a long way come back to any kind of normality. >> it's been an incredibly difficult time for all of us. and i think it would be i think we've actually stopped talking and i think it would be i think we've how ally stopped talking and i think it would be i think we've how hardtopped talking and i think it would be i think we've how hard it's)ed talking and i think it would be i think we've how hard it's been|lking and i think it would be i think we've how hard it's been theg about how hard it's been the lockdowns are over and, you know, the pandemic is sort of you it seems like it's you know, it seems like it's kind off and we're not kind of eased off and we're not really in that position anymore. but has the aftermath really in that position anymore. but i'm has the aftermath really in that position anymore. but i'm hyambassadoraftermath really in that position anymore. but i'm hyambassadoraftetheth and i'm an ambassador for the mental health charity calm, which prevention which is a suicide prevention charity. know there's

charity. and i know that there's been of increase in been lots of increase in suicides young women, for suicides in young women, for example . that's kind the example. that's kind of the newest of research that that newest bit of research that that that came out why in women in i'm not sure i can't speak on the exact reason, but i know it has some some people have said correlations to social media and started during lockdown. >> it's yes the thing is it didn't just stop and that's why we mustn't ever forget what happened to us. then because it hasn't just stopped. it's continuing. and that's why we need like you to need ambassadors like you to keep up what keep speaking up about what happened then. keep speaking up about what happenemyien. keep speaking up about what happenemy preoccupation is >> and my preoccupation is children . then what was done children. then what was done with children ? children, you with children? children, you know, couldn't school know, that couldn't go to school , were learning , that were that were learning from all rest of from home and all of the rest of it. i think children were set back years and it would be years before back. before we get them back. >> it's been an incredibly difficult and movement is difficult time, and movement is just simple thing. we just one really simple thing. we can can all do it can all do. we can all do it together. we can we can do it in whatever other way. and this is the important thing about the vitality run it, vitality 10—k is you can run it, you can walk it, you can jog it, you can walk it, you can jog it, you can't take run it you can't take an uber, run it will simply out of time.

will simply run out of time. >> i just have to stop you there. that's it from me. thanks to all my guests. thank you for that. >> that was lovely very much. >> that was lovely very much. >> and to tonya and to narinder and professor fenton. and to professor norman fenton. next the common next up, the common sense crusade being and crusade and all being equal and all, god willing, i will see you here next . saturday here next. saturday >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers is proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. well looking ahead to sunday, a very different day compared to today. spells heavy rain, especially spells of heavy rain, especially across the northern half of the uk. let's all courtesy this uk. let's all courtesy of this area of low pressure. it will move area high pressure move the area of high pressure away towards the continent, giving a very unsettled day for some us may hang on to the some of us may hang on to the largely settled conditions at times the south—east. but largely settled conditions at tinwe the south—east. but largely settled conditions at tinwe into he south—east. but largely settled conditions at tinwe into tonight,—east. but largely settled conditions at tinwe into tonight, you;t. but largely settled conditions at tinwe into tonight, you can ut as we go into tonight, you can see this area of rain gradually working its way eastwards across many parts uk. heaviest

many parts of the uk. heaviest of rain across scotland, the of the rain across scotland, the south—east just remaining largely clearest of largely dry with the clearest of the skies. but for all of us, a milder night. then last night, we will see lows falling, not much lower than around to 12 much lower than around 10 to 12 degrees. do start sunday degrees. but we do start sunday off on a rather wet note across parts of wales into the midlands and this rain will and this area, rain will gradually work way gradually work its way northwards go through the northwards as we go through the course of the day, turning quite heavy parts northern heavy for parts of northern ireland scotland. ireland and scotland. a thoroughly afternoon come thoroughly wet afternoon to come here, will turn brighter here, but it will turn brighter and south. so and drier across the south. so some sunshine to end day some sunshine to end the day here, feeling warm . 21 here, feeling quite warm. 21 degrees down towards the southeast. elsewhere, the temperatures tempered somewhat southeast. elsewhere, the tempere strong empered somewhat southeast. elsewhere, the tempere strong wind red somewhat southeast. elsewhere, the temperestrong wind in! somewhat southeast. elsewhere, the tempere strong wind in to omewhat by that strong wind in to monday. the overnight rain clearing really leaving a mixture of sunshine and scattered showers. some of the showers potentially quite heavy and thundery across the northern half of the uk with the best of the sunshine down towards the south. the unsettled weather the sunshine down towards the so set. the unsettled weather the sunshine down towards the so set to the unsettled weather the sunshine down towards the so set to continue settled weather the sunshine down towards the so set to continue astled weather the sunshine down towards the so set to continue as we weather the sunshine down towards the soset to continue as we goeather the sunshine down towards the soset to continue as we go into r is set to continue as we go into next week, potentially turning very wet and on wednesday i >> -- >> that 5mm >> that warm feeling inside ,

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gb news. >> hello and welcome . this is >> hello and welcome. this is calvin's common sense crusade . calvin's common sense crusade. with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your tv online and on your wireless. today, we will be reacting to the controversial online safety bill. we'll also discuss the astonishing figure showing that half of pregnancies in under 25 seconds are now ending in abortion . and in the ending in abortion. and in the duel ending in abortion. and in the duel, my panellists will be discussing whether the laws around the age of consent should be reassessed . and emma, your be reassessed. and emma, your initial thoughts ? initial thoughts? >> i think that there is a good argument for a staggering approach so that between the ages of 16 and 18, those people can consent among each other. >> but i also think that there could be good arguments for keeping it the same or for raising it to the age of 18. so i can be convinced. >> okay. and steven, i think

morality is