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cheers very much for your company. now folks, if you just want a night of bland and preachy group, speak with everyone saying the same thing, the lib dem conference has started. be the other started. it'll be on the other side. you like your side. but if you like your debate little bit more spicy, debate a little bit more spicy, you've exactly the right you've come to exactly the right place . yes, i'm here with emily, place. yes, i'm here with emily, as usual , but place. yes, i'm here with emily, as usual, but i'll be as away and we'll certainly miss his thoughtful well judged thoughtful and well judged contributions. benjamin is also off and we'll certainly miss. well, i'll let you know . when well, i'll let you know. when i think of something. we're joined tonight by our fearless roving reporter here at gb news. it's ben leo, the brilliant podcaster and broadcaster lewis oakley, and broadcaster lewis oakley, and the host of britain's best drive time news show, our very own patrick christys. >> yes, we're all here. so the premise of the show is quite simple. each of us gets around 60s sometimes a little bit more to outline our argument about our chosen topic. then we all pile in and it all falls apart faster the government's hs2 faster than the government's hs2 plans. course want plans. and of course we want to know your so please do know your views, so please do get email us

get in touch. email us gbviews@gbnews.com. you can tweet us at gb news. but before we start tearing each other apart, it is your saturday night news with tatiana sanchez is . emily. >> thank you and good evening. this is the latest. a woman arrested after a land rover crashed into a prep school in south london, killing two children. one has been rebailed until january . the 46 year old until january. the 46 year old was arrested at the scene on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. it happened at an end of year tea party at the study prep school in wimbledon in july. 16 people were treated at the scene of the crash, several, including a seven month old girl, were taken to hospital with non—life threatening injuries. boris johnson has warned rishi sunak against delivering a mutilated version of hs2. the former prime minister says curtailing over costs were the height of insanity and desperate treasury dnven insanity and desperate treasury driven nonsense , as he's urged driven nonsense, as he's urged the prime minister to deliver on

the prime minister to deliver on the tories 2019 levelling up pledge , which the government has pledge, which the government has refused to deny. reports claiming the birmingham to manchester route will be scrapped. david cameron has also raised concerns . according to raised concerns. according to reports in the times , which reports in the times, which claims the planned line to the east midlands parkway could also be under threat . meanwhile, be under threat. meanwhile, rishi sunak is considering plans that would effectively ban cigarettes for the next generation. it would entail steadily increasing the legal age for consuming tobacco, as reported in the guardian. if implement by 2026, it would mean anyone aged 15 and under now would never be able to buy a cigarette. smoking costs society £17 billion, according to government research, with 2.4 billion to the nhs alone. minister are also understood to be drawing up plans to ban disposable vapes . anti—monarchy disposable vapes. anti—monarchy campaigners have staged a protest inside of buckingham palace members of republic staged that protest inside the grand hall. they unveiled t

shirts which spelled out not my king. six of the activists involved were briefly detained by security before being escorted out of the front gate . escorted out of the front gate. meanwhile hundreds of activists marched in whitehall to london. in london today, calling on the government to u—turn on brexit and return to the bloc . clusters and return to the bloc. clusters of metropolitan police officers monitored the demonstration as protesters in blue and yellow handed out flyers. the uk voted to leave the european union in a referendum in 2016 called by the then prime minister david cameron . and finally, nearly a cameron. and finally, nearly a third of patients have suffered long term organ damage as a result of covid 19. that's according to findings of a new study. it says abnormalities in the lungs were almost 14 times higher in those who'd had the virus. abnormal findings involving the brain and kidneys with 3 in 2 times higher, respectively. and the extent of the damage was often influenced by the severity of their

infection, their age and other diseases in the body . you're diseases in the body. you're with gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio, and on your smart speaker by simply saying play gb news. now it's back to the . saturday five. it's back to the. saturday five. >> thanks , tatiana. it is >> thanks, tatiana. it is saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm emily carver and we are about to set the world to rights in just under an hour. so let's crack on with tonight's first debate. yep >> we're starting tonight with ben leo and ben. leo has a well , he's had a pretty pleasant saturday afternoon . it might be saturday afternoon. it might be one you're envious he's had one you're envious of. he's had many admirers join him at the rejoin march in london. let's have a look at how he got on. i would think brexit is idiots. >> deluded . >> deluded. >> deluded. >> what else do you miss about the eu? >> what else do you miss about the eu.7 um >> what else do you miss about the eu? um oh. are you saying that europe needs a bath? no

with bath for europe. >> oh , no . oh no. >> oh, no. oh no. >> i like the eu and i love living here. >> but i also love living in spain. you can't just say 60% of brits want to rejoin. >> where's that from? no newspaper. who? the guardian. >> everything in the eu is elected. >> no one in this country voted for guy verhofstadt. what do you miss i miss the miss about the eu? i miss the economic prosperity that we had i >> -- >> the other countries seemed to have recovered a lot better from it have. it than we have. >> germany is in recession, though, we're not. so how is though, and we're not. so how is that true? oh that's like a fun day out for ben. >> so , ben, tell us more. >> so, ben, tell us more. >> yeah . oh, dear. i mean, that >> yeah. oh, dear. i mean, that says it all really. look in a week where keir starmer has been cosy emmanuel macron in cosy up to emmanuel macron in france in a shady deal to betray 17.4 million brexit voters, a meeting , by the way, brokered by meeting, by the way, brokered by the bad smell that won't go away. tony blair. these losers in london today saw fit to complain about a vote that took place seven years ago . all they place seven years ago. all they could complain about is airport

cuz i haven't seen any of those by the way. i think they're a myth and bizarrely how their tea cloths from germany weren't getting delivered because of random custom charges. now look, my is you've lost the vote my point is you've lost the vote . not back into the . we're not going back into the eu. stand by. democracy and get on board with brexit, because at the moment brexit has not been allowed started. it's allowed to get started. it's been blocked at every turn by the service politicians, the civil service politicians, the civil service politicians, the and cry—baby the courts and cry—baby losers like so get on board with like these. so get on board with brexit. ramona's it's not changing. booming changing. get britain booming again . again. >> i mean ben looking at the fact that in the news there, tatiana said they sent the metropolitan police out. what the hell are they going to do, fight other with hummus? fight each other with hummus? i mean, it's just obscene. throw muesli at each and lot muesli at each other and a lot of quite old as of them looked quite old as well. i've got absolutely well. now i've got absolutely nothing against people, nothing against elderly people, but the whole narrative but wasn't the whole narrative that we were stealing young people's futures by voting for brexit? now, a lot of those, they looked like they were quite old, possibly had homes in spain for many years. >> it felt like the world's

biggest nursing home right down there today. lots of pale, lots of stale. the same thing they accused brexiteers of being by the way. and i think patrick you had a well exactly that and this is again as you is the thing again as you rightly said, they're absolutely nothing old people whatsoever. >> n whatsoever. >> i think we've >> far from it. i think we've you know, those our greatest you know, those are our greatest generation people frankly, generation that people frankly, our learning a our age should be learning a heck a from. but it is heck of a lot from. but it is the hypocrisy of what the brexiteers were accused of being old, you know, too old, pale or, you know, too white, etcetera. i don't if white, etcetera. i don't know if we might a picture at we might have a picture at some point well of this bus that point as well of this bus that was its way to. yeah, there was on its way to. yeah, there we look at that. okay we go. look at that. right. okay so you imagine if that so look, can you imagine if that was was a bus full of was if that was a bus full of brexiteers? so they like having sex with flags. that was one of the conversations, wasn't it? well of flags well there's a lot of flags there them. they seem to be there for them. they seem to be proudly wearing to their proudly wearing close to their body, quite i see any body, quite old. i can't see any racial there other racial distinctions there other than being white. if that a than being white. if that was a bus of brexiteers, bus full of brexiteers, remainers stuck remainers would be getting stuck right they? right in, wouldn't they? >> jon snow jon snow said that brexit demonstration, a pro brexit demonstration, a pro brexit demonstration, a pro brexit demonstration, was too

white. think white. i mean, do you not think that demonstration . that that that demonstration. lewis, wide? lewis, is too wide? >> do know what i think? i >> do you know what i think? i think none of this is helpful. i mean, ben, in your monologue, you're saying need to come you're saying we need to come together get behind it. together and get behind it. meanwhile them meanwhile you're calling them losers, unwashed. on board meanwhile you're calling them losethey're ashed. on board meanwhile you're calling them losethey're ashe> no one's allowed it to start. >> no one's allowed it to start. >> do you know what i think it's quite cute that they all went down there in their, you know, their i mean, they're their flags. i mean, they're clearly deluded. they think something is going to deluded that's and that's going to help. and no, i don't mean on, guys, why don't mean come on, guys, why don't mean come on, guys, why don't agree with us? don't don't you agree with us? i don't mean to leave it in a nasty way, but just because i do not think we are going rejoin the we are going to rejoin the european it's just not european union, it's just not going happen. but i think going to happen. but i think it's quite sweet they

it's quite sweet that they had a little day london. you little day out in london. you know, being very patronising know, i'm being very patronising here, why they are very here, but why not? they are very patronising brexiteers, but patronising to brexiteers, but a day off for everyone else. hang on, to come in here on, i'm going to come in here and rain a little bit on your parade because if you parade please, because if you look the polling and look at the latest polling and i've to here hand, only i've got it to here hand, only 9% think brexit has 9% of people think brexit has been success. it's hardly been a success. so it's hardly surprising. polls. yes, surprising. polls. well, yes, a poll, okay. poll, but okay. >> that the same polls that >> is that the same polls that says in india is that the says in india later, is that the same poll that said remain would win by and trump would win by 60% and that trump would lose to hillary clinton? >> but what i'm saying is now i always take polling with a pinch of everyone should, always take polling with a pinch of that everyone should, always take polling with a pinch of that is everyone should, always take polling with a pinch of that is an aryone should, always take polling with a pinch of that is an indicatorould, always take polling with a pinch of that is an indicator to .d, but that is an indicator to suggest people might suggest why some people might feel have chance. feel like they have a chance. >> they're fed some fake >> they're being fed some fake some fake doses of optimism from scammy pollsters. >> mean, even guy in the >> i mean, even that guy in the vet me, 60% people vet said to me, 60% of people now want to rejoin the eu . he now want to rejoin the eu. he said it was a yougov poll. i held him up on it. it turned out held him up on it. it turned out he was nonsense. but why he was talking nonsense. but why are fighting these remainers? are we fighting these remainers? >> tell you >> well, because i'll tell you that you've just. >> just led me nicely >> you've just led me nicely onto what to say, which onto what i wanted to say, which is i actually don't agree

is this i actually don't agree with emily. i think brexit is with emily. i do think brexit is in and, know, i'm in peril. and, you know, i'm someone that's talked about brexit peril for some brexit being in peril for some time, but this time really time, but this time i really think and in think sir keir starmer and in with blair behind him as you just said, the turd that won't flush is all pushing for us to have associate membership of the eu that's taken us back in. that is a betrayal of our vote and i think that's never been more of a fearful prospect. >> i'll just quickly point out on this. i actually think that the more keir starmer opens his mouth , the more unpopular his mouth, the more unpopular his policies made, which makes policies are made, which makes a hung parliament more likely, which lib dems more which makes a lib dems more likely be the powerbrokers likely to be the powerbrokers which a second referendum which makes a second referendum or rejoining the even more or rejoining the eu. even more likely. yes, i agree with louis. >> i actually don't want that. i think we do need to get on think that we do need to get on board businesses board because small businesses are at the are really hurting at the moment. we need to really figure out to through that red out how to get through that red tape. still paying eu tape. we're still paying the eu like billions pounds a year like billions of pounds a year as it's not been as well. it's not been a success. but i do think going backis success. but i do think going back is not going to be it's not going to be any helpful.

going to be any more helpful. >> help, does it, >> it doesn't help, does it, when the government when you know, the government tries of a tiny bit tries to get rid of a tiny bit of eu red tape around housing, around this nutrient neutral city and, know, it's city rules. and, you know, it's everyone is, know, throwing everyone is, you know, throwing their pram because their toys out the pram because it's most awful thing it's the most awful thing they've ever i mean, it's they've ever heard. i mean, it's very difficult for us to anything. >> way, just just on >> by the way, just just on starmer, cruising to an starmer, he was cruising to an election the tories are election victory. the tories are hapless and the moment he should have done joe biden hidden have done a joe biden and hidden in the moment he in his basement, the moment he opens mouth, he has about opens his mouth, he has about 3 or consecutive gaffes on or 4 consecutive gaffes on migration. bills migration. eu returns bills to cosy macron in france cosy up to macron in france exchanging gifts. should have exchanging gifts. he should have just mouth shut, but he just kept his mouth shut, but he could have scuppered it. now, in just kept his mouth shut, but he cou opinion,;cuppered it. now, in just kept his mouth shut, but he cou opinion, you pered it. now, in just kept his mouth shut, but he cou opinion, you mightt. now, in just kept his mouth shut, but he cou opinion, you might below, in just kept his mouth shut, but he cou opinion, you might be right.| my opinion, you might be right. >> these people might >> actually, these people might not be deluded. we may not actually be deluded. we may well back in the european well end up back in the european union. know you union. let us know what you think home. but anyway, it's think at home. but anyway, it's high we debated next high time we debated our next topic. and around six topic. and after around six months air, the has been months on air, the show has been we breaking fresh new ground we are breaking fresh new ground on and bravely on the saturday five and bravely venturing waters. venturing into uncharted waters. some than darren is some on other than darren is going talk about migration going to talk about migration tonight and it's patrick christys to kick christys and he's about to kick off. it away. off. take it away. >> we need have forced

>> we need to have forced mandatory verification mandatory age verification checks anybody coming across checks for anybody coming across the channel claiming to be a child. office figures child. the home office figures show that between 2016 and june 2023, 449% of people who claim to be a child who had that case disputed turned out shock, horror to be adults. yes, that's right. so now i think our starting point should be we just don't believe you . and the don't believe you. and the indicators are there, aren't they?|f indicators are there, aren't they? if you've broken into britain and ditched your documents en route that to me is a pretty strong indication that you are willing to lie about who you are willing to lie about who you are, where you're from and how old are. but the latest how old you are. but the latest from the human rights brigade is this possibly give this we couldn't possibly give wrist dental checks wrist x—rays or dental checks for people because children will flee in fear of a scientific procedure . lie. why would you procedure. lie. why would you run away from something if you know you are a child? and you know you are a child? and you know what? if they came off the boats at dover, tripped over and broke their wrist or bang their tooth, they'd be straight down

the begging for the local a&e begging for a wrist or dental check on wrist x—ray or a dental check on the dime. the other the taxpayers dime. the other thing from the human rights brigade, completely brigade, which completely contradicts everything they have to , that the moment we to say, is that at the moment we have children being have so many children being wrongly as adults and wrongly classified as adults and thatis wrongly classified as adults and that is a crying shame. fine all right, then. well, why don't we have more mandatory scientific medical age verification checks that would stop that, wouldn't it? at the moment, we have human rights lawyers and activists who are willing to lie for channel migrants who are also lying about their age. and that needs to stop . i'm sorry, but i just to stop. i'm sorry, but i just don't believe you anymore. well said, patrick. >> i mean, the point of the matter is here, all those people that we've just seen at these eu marches, right, they're all for all of this. and they are the kind of people that are so hysterical about the kinds of things you're mentioning things that you're mentioning and ask me, patrick, and if you ask me, patrick, someone comes here who someone that comes here who says, i'm going to turn up uninvited , illegally, doesn't uninvited, illegally, doesn't have a right to privacy, right? they can't turn around and say,

well, actually, you're not going to be able to a scan of me to be able to do a scan of me because they have actually broken the law. we need to know who is here and how they are actually treating the system. >> what do you think about that? >> what do you think about that? >> well, i'd say, first of all, how much is this going to cost? how many more millions and billions are you throwing at this? i quickly? this? can i quickly? >> because i do. it's a really good point. on that, at the good point. but on that, at the moment, costing so much moment, it's costing us so much to through ridiculous kind of to go through ridiculous kind of eye level that eye surface level checks that have through numerous have to go through numerous different then court different things, then court cases, then hotels. so do cases, then hotels. so i do think cheaperjust think it would be cheaper just to an x ray. to do an x ray. >> i get that. but say right, say figure it out. you get say you figure it out. you get your x ray, you've done that. you've it up, fine. you've cost it all up, fine. then what? they're still here. you can't throw them back in the sea. the point is, they're here. >> you can't put a price on national security. and also, by the i get that security the way. no, i get that security of our kids. how times have of our kids. how many times have we abdul 13 year in we seen abdul 13 year old in a classroom young teenage classroom with young teenage girls turns out 40 girls who turns out to be 40 years old with a massive beard? that can't happen in this

country? >> know. but those >> no, i know. but those are rare instances that the rare instances that make the news they are rare. news because they are rare. >> not rare. >> they're not rare. >> they're not rare. >> we do have to have a way >> they're not rare. >>comene do have to have a way >> they're not rare. >>come overy have to have a way >> they're not rare. >>come over the ve to have a way >> they're not rare. >>come over the channel e a way >> they're not rare. >>come over the channel they've to come over the channel they've lobbed phones in the channel. >> they lobbed their passports in so one can in the channel so no one can trace no, it. but trace it. no, i get it. but expecting privacy is what is proving age to proving their age going to do well? >> f argument well? >> argument would then >> well, my argument would then be lied that, be if you've lied about that, then deported. then you should be deported. >> it's going to happen. >> well, this country seems incapable anyone, >> well, this country seems incapforeign anyone, >> well, this country seems incapforeign criminals. anyone, >> well, this country seems incapforeign criminals. so yone, >> well, this country seems incapforeign criminals. so i'm, even foreign criminals. so i'm not sure is to mean not sure this is going to mean more stations. i think not sure this is going to mean morraise stations. i think not sure this is going to mean morraise an stations. i think not sure this is going to mean morraise an important think not sure this is going to mean morraise an important point. we you raise an important point. we have people have had cases of people pretending to children and pretending to be children and ending up local schools in ending up in local schools in this think this country, which i think everyone thinks is absolutely absurd. i think this is the absurd. do i think this is the main issue it comes to the main issue when it comes to the channel crossings? no channel migrant crossings? no nor is nor do i think that this is going or so no. the going to happen, or so no. the home office have been advised that, are issues that, you know, there are issues with and harm. there with radiation and harm. there are being are issues with it being unreliable. issues unreliable. there are issues with exact with no method proves exact age. so these things you can so all of these things you can see be disputed by see would be disputed by lawyers. but lawyers. absolutely. but you know, of an epiphany know, i had a bit of an epiphany the day, and it's been great. >> he would go he would go great. i stopped caring. i

stopped these stopped caring about what these idiots they idiots have to say because they are had a human rights are lying. i had a human rights lawyer on my show other day lawyer on my show the other day who me in the eye and who looked me in the eye and said that even said to me genuinely that even if into own said to me genuinely that even if he into own said to me genuinely that even if he wouldn't1to own said to me genuinely that even if he wouldn't want own said to me genuinely that even if he wouldn't want them home, he wouldn't want them detained. that's obviously a lie. would like to put lie. i would quite like to put that test, know, that to the test, but you know, i can't away with i can't really get away with that kind of stuff. >> you can't prove he's a liar here no can't here on air. no i can't prove he's here air, but he's a liar here on air, but i mean, if you're assuming he's liar. >> i think it's a reasonable assumption. if someone broke into call the into his house, he'd call the police and get them locked up, wouldn't also now wouldn't you? and then also now you've got this of human rights activists you activists saying, oh, well, you know, flee. they know, they would flee. they would told would flee if they were told that had have ray. that they had to have an x ray. i believe that. i don't i don't believe that. i don't believe you're believe it. so when you're deaung dealing with these kinds of people make of people trying to make up all of this but you've this stuff, sorry, but you've lost me. >> actually argument >> and actually the argument is it deterrent if it could even be a deterrent if people they people know that before they come to get come here, they're going to get tested and honest tested for their age and honest background tested for their age and honest backgro not to be to they're not going to be able to scam sitting scam people by sitting in classrooms teenage girls. they'd still come, but >> they'd still come, but they may abscond. may may well abscond. they may actually national. >> you're child, escape >> and if you're a child, escape and bullets, which is and bombs and bullets, which is what these people what we are told, these people are to away are coming over to get away from instead cheeses

instead of wines and cheeses and baguettes in france, why then would to cross would you not want to cross every single that you had every single line that you had to for the authorities in order to for the authorities in order to be allowed to stay in a safe country ? right. country? right. >> why? the moment we are >> why? at the moment we are using a survey and a study from gillette, the razor company, to dictate at how old we think some of these people are. so gillette the best afghans can get. i mean, it writes itself, doesn't it? looking at it it? but if you're looking at it like that, then seriously , why like that, then seriously, why wouldn't they want to nullify any risk of a child child being classed as an adult? but by doing scientific medical stuff, you'd want it, wouldn't you? i don't know. >> look, this is a tricky situation . that's why gone situation. that's why it's gone on so long. there is not a solution to this. i just don't think that you're proposing think that what you're proposing is make bit of is going to really make a bit of difference . is going to really make a bit of diff ifance . is going to really make a bit of diff ifance honest, i just say >> if i'm honest, can ijust say this a a red this argument is a bit of a red herring regardless, because we don't the don't want them here in the first want to be first place. i don't want to be testing their age. testing people for their age. i don't in don't want them here in the first sort the borders first place. sort the borders out. first place. sort the borders out absolutely. yeah . and >> absolutely. i mean, yeah. and that then goes back to what you were saying that leads were saying earlier. that leads

us needing to leave the us to on needing to leave the echr and actually delivering us to on needing to leave the echr fright ctually delivering us to on needing to leave the echr fright ?ually delivering brexit right? >> well, there there's an argument that leaving the echr won't , but i think won't change much, but i think we need to adopt an australian style policy where you physically boats . physically turn back the boats. i all the ngos i don't care what all the ngos say and cry—babies turn the say and the cry—babies turn the boats back we saw in boats back like we saw in australia and they'll stop coming. >> you know if there's >> you know what? if there's a suspicion is not a child suspicion someone is not a child and they're claiming to be a child, then there be child, then there should be an age think that should child, then there should be an ageyou think that should child, then there should be an ageyou tithat'siat should child, then there should be an ageyou tithat's commoni be, you know, that's common sense. but anyway , we've got to sense. but anyway, we've got to move on. sorry still to come tonight, lewis oakley has a plan which he says fix the house which he says will fix the house building . and will building crisis. and we will all give verdict on rishi give our verdict on rishi sunak's net zero plans grime sunak's net zero plans in grime time. next up, i'll time. but next up, i'll be discussing anti discussing the planned anti smoking measures that are being considered. is this nanny statism gone too far? or perhaps it's a welcome fightback against smoking in our society? you're with the saturday five live on .

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radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five, as always. cheers very much for your emails about tonight's topics. allison fisk has written in and fisk is on the case because fisk has written in to say she watched what you got from people on the street there. ben and she says, did i hear that right .7 did that did i hear that right? did that brexit protester say he wanted britain back in the eu because he likes living in spain .7 see ya he likes living in spain? see ya so effectively we should rejoin the eu. so he can live in a different country . it's a good different country. it's a good point. john kois written in darren, please tell your panel that brexiteers do not want to rejoin the eu. the simple fact is that sunak and the tories have failed to reap the benefits of brexit. i think john makes a good point. people are dissatisfied with the government , not brexit. now it's time for our next debate. up next, emily and emily says she's aflame with anger at the news that nanny state britain is planning to

impose some of the strictest anti—smoking rules in the world. it's time for the carver palaver. yes >> so do we want to be like isis or bhutan? they both tried banning tobacco. and guess what happened? they ended up backtracking pretty quickly . backtracking pretty quickly. bhutan ended their ban in 2020. believe it or not, because tobacco smugglers were bringing covid into the country. now it looks like rishi sunak is pondenng looks like rishi sunak is pondering doing something similar. well, not an all out ban. he's not planning on cigarette sales, but a ban that would essentially stop young people from ever buying cigarettes. they do this in a cunning way by steadily increasing the legal age for buying cigars year on year. now this is what has been done in new zealand, one of the more authoritarian so—called liberal democracies in the world. they've done this. so if the government decided to do it and it's something that labour's wes streeting also expressed streeting has also expressed support you could support for too, you could actually have situation in actually have a situation in which someone who is, say, 41 could go out and buy a pack of,

but his 40 year old mate would be turned away. now one mp is reported to have said you're going to end up with newly elected mps surreptitiously asking michael gove if he'll buy cigarettes for them at the local tesco . it's just bizarre. it is tesco. it's just bizarre. it is just bizarre, particularly considering michael gove is reportedly in favour of this move despite the fact he took his own smoking breaks in a special hut built for him on the roof of his departmental office. again, it's do as i say, not as i do now . we all know smoking is i do now. we all know smoking is a killer. no one denies that. but this is a truly unworkable policy . well, there you go. policy. well, there you go. >> absolutely . i mean, who >> absolutely. i mean, who disagrees with you? >> you need a cigarette after that? >> i do smoke. >> i do smoke. >> i do smoke. >> i prefer a little vape every now and again. >> well, it'll after that >> well, it'll be after that before long, though, emily. that's the thing, isn't it? let's go after patrick. >> like cigarette? every let's go after patrick. >> andike cigarette? every let's go after patrick. >> and again.igarette? every let's go after patrick. >> and again. sorryte? every let's go after patrick. >> and again. sorry to every let's go after patrick. >> and again. sorry to eveyou. now and again. sorry to out you. >> know it's bad for >> i smoke. i know it's bad for me , okay? everybody knows that. me, okay? everybody knows that. it's them, okay? it's bad for them, okay? but it's to me whether or not it's up to me whether or not i want to do that. right. and we

will have a fast call situation where, like you just said there, you know, we're going to end up with a 45 year old walking into an desperately trying to an office desperately trying to buy a packet of camel blues being turned down and from just from a purely political point on this, where are the votes in this? where are the votes for rishi sunak in doing this? no one's going to go out and vote tory in the next general election because their next door neighbour might be banned from smoking. >> e w— >> but there's a guy called javid khan who ceo javid khan who was the ceo of barnardos , the charity, right? barnardos, the charity, right? and he came up with all these proposals is proposals that the government is now saying now considering, saying he wanted to ban people in social housing, in council homes from smoking on their own property, in their own homes. i mean, this stuff is extremely interventionist , isn't it? look, interventionist, isn't it? look, i get it. >> and i worry about the nanny state, too. but we do ban things in country like, you know, in this country like, you know, we guns, banned drugs are we have guns, banned drugs are banned. , it's fine to banned. you know, it's fine to have certain things that are banned. and smoking is a killer

. like i think it's 74,000 die of it a year. and then you've got the like 8000 people that die from passive smoking . die from passive smoking. >> hang on, hang i don't >> hang on, hang on. i don't accept me having isn't accept that me having a isn't going shoot someone. is it going to shoot someone. is it right having a cigarette right me having a cigarette isn't going second—hand isn't going but second—hand smoking a killer? smoking still a killer? >> i went and look, i will >> well, i went and look, i will say this on the kids point like i someone never thought say this on the kids point like i i ;omeone never thought say this on the kids point like i i would |e never thought say this on the kids point like i i would |e addictedthought say this on the kids point like i i would |e addicted to»ught that i would get addicted to cigarettes. i had my first cigarettes. i had my first cigarette at 19 and then was hooked to for hooked and trying to quit for like years. so i actually do like ten years. so i actually do think whole having think the whole never having a cigarette is the best to cigarette is the best way to prevent it's not good. prevent it. it's not good. i get it. know, take the it. can, you know, take the stress off? it feels like that. but think best but i actually think the best method this method for getting rid of this is to it. is never to try it. >> but on, lois. i think we >> but hang on, lois. i think we have a graphic that i put up have a graphic that i can put up on screen. we? it's a on the screen. do we? it's a graph shows that graph that basically shows that that young people are smoking less and less and less and less and less. do we really need to ban it anyway, ben? well they're smoking less because now they're vaping. yeah, but that's so much better your health. better for your health. >> must admit >> at least i must admit i smoked a as a kid. 18,19, smoked as a as a kid. 18,19, 20, maybe until i was 25. i've

just from vegas where just got back from vegas where before wasn't a smoker , i before that i wasn't a smoker, i wasn't a vapour. but at the tables and tables you can smoke and vape indoors, plied with drinks indoors, get plied with drinks all you don't need get all night. you don't need to get up. don't need to leave the up. you don't need to leave the tables. vape now and tables. i smoke a vape now and then at the tables come then at the tables and i've come back started again . back and started vaping again. my back and started vaping again. my on the ban of my thoughts on the ban of smoking is i don't want a nanny state state government state or a big state government come in and creeping our come in and creeping on our lives than we've lives any more than we've got now. actual fact , now. and i think actual fact, the method is using that the best method is using that money for a stop for a smoking ban to get people fit, get them lean, get them strong , and lean, get them strong, and naturally people will stop smoking after that because they'll effect has on they'll see the effect it has on their you're and their health. if you're fit and you're you're you're training and you're smoking the smoking and you go on the treadmill in the day, treadmill in the next day, you can it has. can see what effect it has. >> argument >> there is an argument that you pay >> there is an argument that you pay own care pay for it, your own health care in tax. >> the way, there's. sorry to >> by the way, there's. sorry to interrupt there's our interrupt you. there's our graphic well, you graphic which shows well, you can across age can see there across all age ranges , smoking just going ranges, smoking is just going down down and down. down and down and down. >> imagine the flatline >> and imagine the flatline if we just ban it. >> i think they're just, you know, lie to me. know, don't lie to me. >> sorry, don't to >> sorry, but don't again lie to me say, we need to do

me and say, oh, we need to do this to take the pressure off the simultaneously this to take the pressure off the millions simultaneously this to take the pressure off the millions simultan> an element >> but is there not an element of sort of sneering contempt for working who may working class people who may dare i say, enjoy the odd glass of wine with a cigarette in their hand to think, oh, okay, i'm going to relax. their hand to think, oh, okay, i'm going to relax . this wind i'm going to relax. this wind down from a hard day at work. what's so bad about that? and as patrick says, they're paying an enormous amount of tax and all this is going to do, if you ban it, is enable a black market. >> but i think if you if you ask most smokers , they're saying, most smokers, they're saying, i'm quit. i it's i'm trying to quit. i know it's bad me. want to quit. bad for me. i want to quit. >> i think about fatty >> i think that about fatty food. guess what? i still food. but guess what? i still shove doughnut me hole shove a doughnut down me hole once a twice in in any once in a twice in a in any given day. >> it's just given day. >> it'sjust annoying because >> it's just so annoying because i what gets me the i think this is what gets me the most. people like michael gove,

who likes to smoke . who likes to smoke. >> he likes a party as well. i'll leave it that. i'll leave it at that. >> still throw ban and >> he's still throw this ban and if alby was he'd say, oh, if alby was here, he'd say, oh, it's a great idea. even though we likes cheeky we know he likes a cheeky cigarette. i'll be so you cigarette. sorry, i'll be so you know, it's just much . do as i know, it's just so much. do as i say, not as i it's just say, not as i do. it's just drives me mad. they listen drives me mad. and they listen to public health lobby far to the public health lobby far too much. public too much. the public health lobby. all of their lobby. if we took all of their recommendations we recommendations on board, we would allowed eat would not be allowed to eat anything that contained sugar. we'd able to eat anything we'd not be able to eat anything that contained salt. we'd not be allowed anything. yeah, allowed to do anything. yeah, well, cease to exist, right? we >> we cease to exist, right? we cease to have agency over our own lives. but anyway, moving on. still ahead, though, lewis oakley is going to explain how we can easily solve the housebuilding crisis . now, this housebuilding crisis. now, this is an issue we've been struggling for over a few years now . so you struggling for over a few years now. so you may think you might have mentioned it before now. but first, let's get your latest weather from craig. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of

weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to sunday, a very different day compared to today. spells of heavy rain, especially across the northern half of the uk. that's all courtesy of this area of low pressure. it will move the area of pressure move the area of high pressure away the continent, away towards the continent, giving unsettled day for giving a very unsettled day for some us may hang to on the some of us may hang to on the largely settled conditions at times across the southeast. but as tonight, you can as we go into tonight, you can see rain gradually see this area of rain gradually working its way eastwards across many parts of uk. heaviest many parts of the uk. heaviest the rain across scotland, the south—east just remaining largely dry with the clearest of the skies. but for of us, the skies. but for all of us, a milder then last night, milder night. then last night, we will see lows falling much lower than around 10 to 12 degrees. but we do start sunday off on a rather wet note across parts of wales into the midlands . this rain gradually . this area rain will gradually work way northwards as go work its way northwards as we go through of the day, through the course of the day, turning quite heavy for parts of northern ireland and scotland. a fairly wet afternoon to come here, but it will turn brighter

and across the south. so and drier across the south. so some sunshine end the day some sunshine to end the day here feeling quite warm. 21 degrees the degrees down towards the southeast elsewhere, the southeast. elsewhere, the temperatures somewhat temperatures tempered somewhat by that strong wind into the monday. the overnight rain clearing really leaving a mixture and mixture of sunshine and scattered showers. some of the showers potentially quite heavy and thundery across the northern half of the uk with the best of the sunshine down towards the south. but the unsettled weather is continue as we go into is set to continue as we go into next potentially turning next week, potentially turning very wet windy on wednesday very wet and windy on wednesday day . day. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> still ahead , patrick may have >> still ahead, patrick may have stolen his thunder on immigration, but darren is going to console himself by lashing out at the poor old eco warriors . so stay tuned for crime time . . so stay tuned for crime time. you're with the saturday five live on gb news as.

show. >> welcome back to the saturday five. >> lots of you have been getting in touch. i've just received your emails in my hand. alex has written he's telling written in and he's telling us to the lies. he says, is it to stop the lies. he says, is it possible for you to stop your presenters telling lies ? labour presenters telling lies? labour has times they're has said several times they're not going to the eu . keir not going to rejoin the eu. keir starmer said he wanted to keep standards what's with standards and what's wrong with that ? please stick to the facts that? please stick to the facts . yes, but there is some reading between the lines going and between the lines going on and there has been quite a of there has been quite a lot of talk of associate membership and the what's the point of the like and what's the point of brexit if you don't diverge anyway? moving on, christian says, charles, says, surely, charles, illegal immigrants priority and immigrants get priority and extra treatment . this extra generous treatment. this is why it's important to check their yes, is one of their age. yes, that is one of their age. yes, that is one of the and what else have the reasons and what else have we got, matthew smoking , he we got, matthew smoking, he says. great idea . banning says. great idea. banning smoking, thereby creating another illicit market for crime to serve. yes, that's a point darren made , isn't it? black

darren made, isn't it? black market prohibition. that's what it anyway. shall we it leads to anyway. shall we move our next debate? move on to our next debate? darren is going to tell us why he sunak is finally he thinks rishi sunak is finally starting to deliver for yes, it's starting to deliver for yes, wsfime starting to deliver for yes, it's time for grime time. >> yes. >> ea- >> yes. >> days. hallelujah, folks >> happy days. hallelujah, folks , this week , because earlier this week rishi sunak dared loosen rishi sunak dared to loosen britain's net zero noose just a smidge. but you'd think that just a smidge. he'd announced was fracking in hyde park. sky news warned us that the us presidential failure turned green grifter al gore disapproves. and i said, al gore, the millionaire eco preacher . gore, the millionaire eco preacher. sir gore, the millionaire eco preacher . sir al, when gore, the millionaire eco preacher. sir al, when you give up your private jets, maybe then you can lecture sandra from scarborough on a combi boiler mate and chris packham , the mate and chris packham, the narcissist eco crusader , thinks narcissist eco crusader, thinks breaking the law for climate change is ethically responsible . bill he even got a channel 4 special to say it . chris how special to say it. chris how about you pack your vegan leather shopper a packet of bugs for the road and take your moral high ground straight to china

because we brits contribute just 1% of global co2 . but the green 1% of global co2. but the green extreme want us to bear 100% of the guilt where a country that's already cut carbon emissions by 40% since the 1970s is the real tragedy here is the likes of barbara bolton , 87 year old of barbara bolton, 87 year old of greater manchester. barbara froze to death last winter and she was found slumped at the kitchen table by her grandson. this this is the generation that built britain whilst these prats build wind farms , the want us to build wind farms, the want us to rely on wind and solar like they're the superman of energy. spoiler alert, folks. they're not. they're more like dodgy sidekicks who never show up when you need them. they're more rodney and del boy than batman and robin. when they tried to guilt trip sunak with his own kids, he had what i thought was the perfect comeback. he says it's not them forking out

£10,000. it's families up and down the country. and i say amen to that. rishi. finally folks, a glimmer of common sense in this net zero circus that quite frankly, risks both lives and livelihoods . now, ben leo, livelihoods. now, ben leo, you've got something to say about all of this. well, you probably expect me to praise rishi and actually, when he first announced the net zero plan, i thought to myself, oh , plan, i thought to myself, oh, well you found your well done, rishi, you found your conservative hat once more. >> but then when i woke up ten minutes realised minutes later, i realised actually doing here actually all rishi is doing here is the can. five years is pushing the can. five years down the road. he's still pushing the climate scam that in my opinion is cyclical. i don't believe in man made climate change. they say 97% of scientists agree. but i also say 97% of scientists don't want to get defunded either . get defunded either. >> so if climate is changing, but the climate is changing, no one denies that. >> but in in hundreds of years

ago, thousands of years ago, we've had cyclical periods where, for example, 400, 500 years, there was a period called the roman warming period where temperatures were abnormally high. all based on high. it's all based on modelling, as saw during modelling, as we saw during covid. trust your covid. don't trust your modelling, if rishi wants to modelling, but if rishi wants to come out and brave come out and be brave and actually get some balls and appeal proper conservative appeal to proper conservative lives, not a bunch of wets, then say scrapping net zero say we're scrapping net zero completely. say, oh, say we're scrapping net zero compigoing say, oh, say we're scrapping net zero compigoing to, say, oh, say we're scrapping net zero compigoing to, we're say, oh, say we're scrapping net zero compigoing to, we're going oh, we're going to, we're going to cut petrol and diesel cut the ban on petrol and diesel cars years. and cars by five years. and everyone's amazing . everyone's like, oh, amazing. thank rishi. nonsense. thank you, rishi. it's nonsense. >> is problem, isn't >> this is the problem, isn't it? that this is all >> this is the problem, isn't it bit that this is all >> this is the problem, isn't it bit a that this is all >> this is the problem, isn't it bit a diversion this is all >> this is the problem, isn't it bit a diversion tactic; all >> this is the problem, isn't it bit a diversion tactic from a bit of a diversion tactic from the fact that legally, by law, the fact that legally, by law, the government has to reach net zero by 2050. it's written into our statute book. they have to do it. so, i mean, whether it's five years delay or not on on ban of new petrol and diesel means nothing. >> and i tell you what that bnngs >> and i tell you what that brings to mind for me, emily. theresa may is turin studios like she's some kind of movie actress promoting herself on stage and screen . and actually stage and screen. and actually she's the one that passed this into law to try and give

ourselves some form of legacy. and we're seeing the sheer impact of what that policy means for brits . for brits. >> but do you think it's a good thing that we are theresa may going in? i think investing in renewable technologies see that we are looking to be more sustainable. well, i think on that we are, you know, thinking about these things. >> keep telling though, >> they keep telling us though, don't actually these don't they, that actually these things as that things are cheap as chips that actually going hell things are cheap as chips that act leather going hell things are cheap as chips that act leather renewables. lg hell for leather on renewables. then why do they need such massive taxpayer subsidy ? taxpayer subsidy? >> listen, actually >> now, listen, i actually agreed of what you agreed with some of what you said when it said because i think when it comes to net zero and i think we all want a better planet, we only so do only have one planet, so we do want after but do want to look after it. but i do think basically think the basically the pressure, pressure pressure, the financial pressure on working class people and poor people was ridiculous. that wasn't actually a big wasn't fair. i am actually a big favour of let's make the rich pay you favour of let's make the rich pay you know, if pay for it. let's, you know, if we're worried about carbon, let's from let's stop private jets from taking off and landing one. number two, radical solution is , you know, much like with ulez in london, if the air quality is so bad, that should start affecting prices. let's affecting property prices. let's bnng

affecting property prices. let's bring millionaire bring those millionaire mansions. the would do mansions. by the way, i would do stuff where you stuff like that where you actually put it at the rich to brunt the burden. >> should it be anyone who >> why should it be anyone who has to bear the particular burden if you had, some people would argue that all you need is a carbon tax of some description and everyone has to compete and then everyone has to compete on those grounds . so, you know, on those grounds. so, you know, industries have to adapt because otherwise they'll have to industries. >> this is the thing i think we are getting there. and i think, look, the pushing it back thing, i it actually the i think it was actually the right but i think i think it was actually the rigidon't but i think i think it was actually the rigidon't want but i think i think it was actually the rigidon't want to but i think i think it was actually the rigidon't want to lose i think i think it was actually the rigidon't want to lose momentum. i think it was actually the rigiclook,nant to lose momentum. i think it was actually the rigiclook, wet to lose momentum. i think it was actually the rigiclook, wet to lose to>mentum. i think it was actually the rigiclook, wet to lose to find|tum. i think it was actually the rigiclook, wet to lose to find new and look, we do want to find new ways might ways to power. you might not like fine, let's like wind, fine, but let's find new to power our country. new ways to power our country. let's find ways to carbon let's find new ways to carbon capture. be leading the capture. let's be leading in the technology. i think that that is something all get something we could all get behind, right? >> the for me, >> this is the thing for me, which hypocrisy which is again, the hypocrisy of politicians on all of this. if we told there is we are being told that there is an emergency, it's an emergency . i steve reid on . right. i had steve reid on who's shadow environment . right. i had steve reid on who"i shadow environment . right. i had steve reid on who"i said;hadow environment . right. i had steve reid on who"i said;ha him environment . right. i had steve reid on who"i said;ha him ,nvironment . right. i had steve reid on who"i said;ha him , have|ment . right. i had steve reid on who"i said;ha him , have yourt . right. i had steve reid on who"i said;ha him , have you got sac. i said to him, have you got an electric car? says, no. i an electric car? he says, no. i said, got a heat pump? said, have you got a heat pump? no.and said, have you got a heat pump? no. and it doesn't plan on getting one or either anytime soon as well. well, i'm sorry,

but if you were the shadow if i was the shadow environment secretary, be to lead secretary, i'd be trying to lead the talks about. as secretary, i'd be trying to lead the all talks about. as secretary, i'd be trying to lead the all do. talks about. as secretary, i'd be trying to lead the all do. oh, lks about. as secretary, i'd be trying to lead the all do. oh, we've)ut. as secretary, i'd be trying to lead the all do. oh, we've got as secretary, i'd be trying to lead the all do. oh, we've got to as secretary, i'd be trying to lead the all do. oh, we've got to be s we all do. oh, we've got to be world to be world leading. we've got to be world leading. we've got to be world . why aren't world leading. we've got to be wor|leading . why aren't world leading. we've got to be wor| leading your why aren't world leading. we've got to be wor| leading your own why aren't world leading. we've got to be wor| leading your own home? n't world leading. we've got to be worwell, ng your own home? n't world leading. we've got to be worwell, it'syour own home? n't world leading. we've got to be worwell, it'syour sameiome? n't world leading. we've got to be worwell, it'syour sameiome a1't >> well, it's the same with a just and losers. just stop oil and losers. they're always complaining. but the burst in the planet is going to burst in ten in actual fact, ten years when in actual fact, the fund the the guys that fund the extinction the guys that fund the extincticemergency fund in climate emergency fund in california, they're all the directors are flying to second homes in ireland and la all the time and flying around the world on private if there was on private jets. if there was an emergency, doing that. if emergency, stop doing that. if your on fire, you'd get your house is on fire, you'd get out immediately and call the emergency services our goal. emergency services at our goal. >> could i just ask quickly on this, you think about if this, what do you think about if we and we've we are world leading and we've stuck original task and stuck to the original task and everything? you think that everything? do you think that would blind bit of would make a blind bit of difference india? would make a blind bit of difth, ce india? would make a blind bit of difth, ce totally india? would make a blind bit of difth, ce totally agree a? would make a blind bit of difth, ce totally agree with >> oh, no, i totally agree with that. we are, as you said, we are i get that . i actually are 1. so i get that. i actually think the argument for this lies in actually getting prepared for it. what ben saying is it. if what ben is saying is like, it happens, the like, you know, it happens, the climate changes, it's just natural, split, can natural, not split, we can do better. should actually better. maybe we should actually put more and resources

put more money and resources into are into, okay, well, what are we going floods ? how going to do if this floods? how do we move people? how we do we move people? how do we build prevalence? build in prevalence? >> of scientists >> a lot of scientists would vehemently what vehemently disagree with what ben it not being an. ben said about it not being an. >> can i enforce that? >> you can't, i'm afraid. ben but we'll coming back to you >> you can't, i'm afraid. ben butmore, coming back to you >> you can't, i'm afraid. ben butmore, i'm coming back to you >> you can't, i'm afraid. ben butmore, i'm sure. g back to you >> you can't, i'm afraid. ben butmore, i'm sure. g ba

gb news. >> thank you very much for your emails as well. >> thank you very much for your emails as well . now, sorry, i've emails as well. now, sorry, i've got the giggles now . robbie has got the giggles now. robbie has got the giggles now. robbie has got in touch. he says i'm 71 years old. have never smoked. i always thought it was naff and uncool and it still is today. why do people do it? >> it's nice. it's fun . >> it's nice. it's fun. >>— >> it's nice. it's fun. >> well, you know what we've got? freddie has also got in touch and he'll explain exactly why he says i'm one of the 9.4% why. he says i'm one of the 9.4% of over 60s who smoke . and it's

of over 60s who smoke. and it's one of the few joys left in life . nothing like a with a cup of tea a cold pint of tea or coffee or a cold pint of something delicious. my something delicious. it's my choice. nobody forces me. great show, as usual. well there you go. dave , he thinks it's go. and dave, he thinks it's a climate scam, so he agrees with you. >> ben . hey. hey, dave. >> ben. hey. hey, dave. >> ben. hey. hey, dave. >> says we to scrap the >> he says we need to scrap the climate change act of 2008. there you go. need to kill the whole thing . and finally on evs whole thing. and finally on evs , i'll wrap this up. yeah, claire says nobody seems to have realised yet that with electric vehicles weighing around 2.5 tonnes, be able tonnes, our roads won't be able tonnes, our roads won't be able to withstand it. >> should talk about it on breakfast so there you go. >> now it's time for our next debate. and up next, solving the housebuilding crisis has foxed some of the greatest intellects in the country, but not lewis oakley. he's about to fix it in just 60s oakley is outraged and he's going to tell us why rent has increased at the fastest rate since records began . rate since records began. >> our housing crisis is no secret , and it affects secret, and it affects everything when you're spending over half of your wage on just

where you live, you don't have that money to go out and have fun. that money fun. you don't have that money to child get to plan for your child and get an extra room. you don't have any money to live where you work . and it's the failure of successive governments. this isn't a left or a right thing. none of them have built enough houses. none of them have built enough houses . so i have radical houses. so i have a radical solution to fix this. i think we should ban politicians from putting their targets for house building in their manifestos instead , let's create an instead, let's create an independent body that sets the target for the government . and target for the government. and crucially, if you fall behind on such a basic part of the job, we go to an automatic general election. at the end of the yeah election. at the end of the year. we cannot have this anymore. we cannot have politicians marking their own homework. we need a political system that says , look, we might system that says, look, we might want to do stuff with hs2 or education in our manifesto is fine, but the bare minimum, which is housing that has to be done or you're gone, well , if we done or you're gone, well, if we done or you're gone, well, if we do that, though, is there not a risk that actually we'll end up with more general elections than

ad breaks on a news channel, dare say ? dare i say? >> and then, you know , be >> and then, you know, be totally snookered because politicians lie every two seconds. yeah but this is about holding them to account. >> if we create an independent body your body that says none of your nonsense this what nonsense, this is this is what you've do , how much more you've got to do, how much more focussed minds be? focussed would their minds be? >> politely push >> well, can i politely push back potential flaw >> well, can i politely push bathis, potential flaw >> well, can i politely push bathis, which ential flaw >> well, can i politely push bathis, which istial flaw >> well, can i politely push bathis, which is that flaw >> well, can i politely push bathis, which is that it flaw >> well, can i politely push bathis, which is that it isflaw in this, which is that it is down to planning permission and let's say that you end up with a load labour councils load of labour councils and a tory government . all the labour tory government. all the labour councils would to councils have to do would be to refuse planning in refuse planning permission in that tories would that area. then the tories would miss their call. >> yes or e yes or no, miss their call. >> yes or no, but >> an election? yes or no, but this the whole this is the whole thing. >> that pressure is on them >> if that pressure is on them that got, got to that you have got, you've got to do the end the year, that you have got, you've got to do they the end the year, that you have got, you've got to do they can end the year, that you have got, you've got to do they can start the year, that you have got, you've got to do they can start lookingaar, that you have got, you've got to do they can start looking at, then they can start looking at laws, then they can start changing and changing the whole system and saying, changing the whole system and sayi got to go. has got to has got to go. this has got to change. this is so crucial. we i don't to hear more don't want to hear any more excuses for it. oh we don't want to hear any more excus do for it. oh we don't want to hear any more excusdo labour. or it. oh we don't want to hear any more excusdo labour. oht. oh we don't want to hear any more excus do labour. oh we h we don't want to hear any more excusdo labour. oh we can't don't want to hear any more excit;do labour. oh we can't don't want to hear any more excit;do la oer. oh we can't don't want to hear any more excit;do la of this.| we can't don't want to hear any more excit;do la of this. it's can't do it because of this. it's ridiculous. yeah. >> is do we >> but another thing is do we trust independent bodies? it sounds quango to sounds a bit like a quango to me. and we know they're not always best at up always the best at coming up with and also then

with targets and also then holding the government to account . so why do we can account. so why do we just can any any be truly independent? >> well, half the problem is that you've got developers hoarding up land and sitting on it price to go it waiting for the price to go up decades and not up over the decades and not being build but being forced to build on it. but in fact , look, you've got in actual fact, look, you've got 500 people a day crossing the street go back to the small street to go back to the small boats think boats crisis. but we think it's very important. but you've got 500 minimum 500 people a day minimum coming across days across the channel on most days , taking up our housing stock. and , for example, in and you've got, for example, in brighton, live, brighton, where i live, ten years housing waiting brighton, where i live, ten yea was housing waiting brighton, where i live, ten yea was about housing waiting brighton, where i live, ten yea was about 20,000. waiting brighton, where i live, ten yea was about 20,000. wdread list was about 20,000. i dread to like now. and to think what it's like now. and you've all not just you've got all these not just illegal migrants. the tories haven't got a grip on legal migration either. so on what planet are you going to are you going to sort housing crisis going to sort the housing crisis when building when you're not building houses, developers are hogging up the land and you've got an invasion of border . of the southern border. >> but this again, it comes to excuse, immigration. an >> but this again, it comes to exclit's immigration. an >> but this again, it comes to exclit's labournigration. an >> but this again, it comes to exclit's labour council. . an >> but this again, it comes to exclit's labour council. oh, oh, it's the labour council. oh, it's this. if you said to politicians , you've got to do politicians, you've got to do this heaven or earth, make it this by heaven or earth, make it happen, they will do it because they don't want through they don't want to go through a general election. they don't want to go through a gerwell,election. they don't want to go through a gerwell, another point, though, >> well, another point, though,

would people would be what about those people who tonight who are watching tonight who say, well, actually, i quite like britain's green, unspoiled and land, and you're and pleasant land, and you're wanting pave all over it. i wanting to pave all over it. i would say to those people, only 2% of the uk is actually built would say to those people, only 2%with1e uk is actually built would say to those people, only 2%with houses. actually built on with houses. >> it'sjust on with houses. >> it's just not an excuse. >> it's just not an excuse. >> make revelation ? go >> can i make a revelation? go on. i voted for the greens in the elections. the local elections. >> did that work out ? >> oh. how did that work out? bins well. >> oh. how did that work out? bin and well. >> oh. how did that work out? bin and that.l. >> oh. how did that work out? binand that pure pure nimbyism. >> and that pure pure nimbyism. there there's a developer there were there's a developer threatening to on a really threatening to build on a really nice of greenland where we nice spot of greenland where we go for walks. >> so you're blame . yeah. >> so you're to blame. yeah. >> so you're to blame. yeah. >> those guys. by the >> don't want those guys. by the way, build houses you way, those new build houses you know if they were going to build nice characterful nice decent characterful houses instead estates, i instead of toytown estates, i might more swayed , but new might be more swayed, but new builds sorry to anyone who has a new build house. if you're in a bedroom upstairs and you hear people pancakes people making pancakes downstairs, is there an downstairs, is there is there an argument to be said that actually do want to own actually if you do want to own a home, then you shouldn't be going out and going to bars and you shouldn't be, you know, spending money elsewhere. >> you should cut back on your holidays primary holidays and your primary focus in should be saving to buy in life should be saving to buy

a property. now shouldn't a property. now it shouldn't be such thing. such a hard thing. >> we all need a house over our head. >> we all need a house over our head . i don't it should be head. i don't think it should be this. got to this. oh, well, you've got to sacrifice i think it sacrifice for it. i think it should simple that should be pretty simple that we can just get a house. it's affordable. doesn't half can just get a house. it's afforwage. doesn't half your wage. >> people don't hard, >> people don't work hard, hard enough. they're entitled. they think they want everything delivered plate. don't delivered on a plate. i don't think graft think people know how to graft much you've much anymore. so i think you've got there. got a good point there. >> it's argument . i >> yeah, it's an argument. i mean, by the it mean, i still get by the way, it should be easier. i'm not saying that. but i think, you know, that. but i do think, you know, i mean, does like i mean, it does sound like you want in want it all. sure. i'll throw in a well you want. >> i don't wanting >> i don't think wanting housing at really at an affordable thing is really wanting it's really the wanting it all. it's really the bare minimum. >> what think ? the >> do you know what i think? the 2. we've only build 2% 2. oh, we've only build on 2% or whatever country isn't is whatever of the country isn't is a bit disingenuous because obviously people don't want to live in the middle of nowhere. what you have is you huge, what you have is you have huge, really density in areas really high density in areas where people want to live , which where people want to live, which does the quality of life does make the quality of life go down those and it down in those areas. and also it would yes if we didn't would help. yes if we didn't just build the most just constantly build the most ugliest buildings ever. look back previous generations . we back to previous generations. we built the beautiful housing

built the most beautiful housing relatively cheaply . i would have relatively cheaply. i would have assumed for normal, ordinary people. >> i just wonder if we're going to see a retreat, right? are we going to see a retreat if britain becomes impossible to home owning and rents become impossibly point home owning and rents become impwe ibly point home owning and rents become impwe toy point home owning and rents become impwe to going point home owning and rents become impwe to going see point home owning and rents become impwe to going see people int home owning and rents become impwe to going see people not are we to going see people not coming here or leaving? >> i think already seeing >> i think we're already seeing it. people it. i think loads of people my age thinking , what's the age are thinking, what's the point? i'm going to go, well, this is the thing. where do you go? know australia is go? i mean, i know australia is trying get a load of us, but trying to get a load of us, but i i think that's i just i don't i think that's the happens the thing. but once that happens and saying and loads of brits start saying this the new this is the new, this is the new uk, here, there uk, we're all going here, there is in this country is a problem in this country without actually is a problem in this country withoianything, actually is a problem in this country wilhoi anything, there? lly build anything, isn't there? >> anyway, is the end >> but anyway, that is the end of our show. thank you very much to guests tonight, ben to our guests tonight, ben leona, of course, lewis oakley. cheryl is my cheryl says patrick is my favourite gb news presenter 99% of the time. but love ben leo. we should see more of him on gb news brilliant journalist and a gooner he needs his own programme . david says. great to programme. david says. great to see emily on for four hours this morning from 6 am. and now treated to some more from 8 pm.

exactly. i think that's a work ethic now. next up, it's the brilliant mark dolan . you'll see brilliant mark dolan. you'll see emily tomorrow morning, though . emily tomorrow morning, though. cheers very much for watching. we'll see you next week. here's your latest weather from craig. >> the temperatures rising , boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to sunday, a very different day compared to today . spells of heavy rain, especially across the northern half of the uk. that's all courtesy of this area of low pressure. it will move the area of high pressure away towards the very the continent, giving a very unsettled day for some of us. may hang on to the largely settled conditions at times across but as we across the southeast. but as we go you can see go into tonight, you can see this area rain gradually this area of rain gradually working eastwards across working its way eastwards across many of the uk. heaviest many parts of the uk. heaviest of rain across scotland and of the rain across scotland and the east just remaining largely dry with the clearest of the skies. for all of us, a skies. but for all of us, a milder night then last night, we

will see lows falling not much lower than around 10 to 12 degrees. we do start sunday degrees. but we do start sunday off on rather wet note across off on a rather wet note across parts of into the midlands parts of wales into the midlands , this area of will , this area of rain will gradually its way gradually work its way northwards we through the northwards as we go through the course the day, turning quite course of the day, turning quite heavy of northern heavy for parts of northern ireland and scotland, a thoroughly wet afternoon come thoroughly wet afternoon to come here, will turn brighter here, but it will turn brighter and drier the south. so and drier across the south. so some sunshine to end the day here quite warm. 21 here feeling quite warm. 21 degrees the degrees down towards the southeast. elsewhere for the temperatures somewhat temperatures tempered somewhat by strong into monday. by that strong wind into monday. the overnight rain clearing really leaving a mixture of sunshine and scattered showers. some of the showers potentially quite heavy and thundery across the northern half of the uk with the northern half of the uk with the best of the sunshine down towards the south. but the unsettled weather is to unsettled weather is set to continue into next week continue as we go into next week , potentially turning very wet and on wednesday . and windy on wednesday. >> the temperatures rising , a >> the temperatures rising, a boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on .

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