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gb news is scrapping inherent tax inheritance tax the way to go? but before we get started, here is your news with aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> good afternoon to you. it is a minute past one. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. rishi sunaks considering a cut to inheritance tax in an attempt to inheritance tax in an attempt to entice voters ahead of the general election. the sunday times claims the prime minister plans reduce current rate plans to reduce the current rate in in march, with in the budget in march, with a view to phasing it out altogether in future years. inheritance tax is charged at 40, but the vast majority of estates fall below the threshold. so married couples can pass on £1 million to their kids being taxed at less kids without being taxed at less than of people the uk pay than 4% of people in the uk pay death duties and political commentator peter spencer says it only benefits wealthy . it only benefits the wealthy. >> it is a tax cut which is good news for the rich and has no impact on people who are not not so well—heeled. i mean , what so well—heeled. i mean, what doesit so well—heeled. i mean, what does it mean to people who are

renting for example? what does it mean to people who have got a little place that little got a little place that isn't worth that much? absolutely zero. meanwhile the economy strapped economy is manifestly strapped for and if you cut that for cash. and if you cut that tax, then then then how does that impact on, say , cutting that impact on, say, cutting income tax, which would which would be good news for everybody ? there isn't that much money to splash the cash, to splash around . if you give it to the around. if you give it to the rich, you can't give it to the others . others. >> former transport secretary grant shapps says it would be irresponsible to keep ploughing money into hs2. irresponsible to keep ploughing money into hs2 . the sunday money into hs2. the sunday telegraph is claiming the potential cost of the high speed rail scheme has increased by £8 billion, which chancellor jeremy hunt says is out of control . hunt says is out of control. will a planned manchester line is expected to be scrapped possibly before the tory party conference in the city on the 1st of october. the prime minister and chancellor are reported to be meeting this week to discuss the situation . suella to discuss the situation. suella braverman says she supports armed police officers handing in

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cutting the rate of inheritance tax to pave the way to abolishing it entirely in the future . it could potentially future. it could potentially become yet another battle line ahead of a general election and puts pressure on labour to set out their view on the matter, which i believe they've done. so now shadow chief now we've got the shadow chief secretary to the treasury right ing to rishi sunak writing to the chancellor, jeremy hunt, saying where's this money coming from? this is an unfunded tax cut , he says. so from? this is an unfunded tax cut, he says. so let's from? this is an unfunded tax cut , he says. so let's see what cut, he says. so let's see what catherine forster our political correspondent , catherine forster our political correspondent, has to catherine forster our political correspondent , has to say. correspondent, has to say. catherine we're starting to get some reaction on to this to this proposal, this plan potentially to abolish inheritance tax . to abolish inheritance tax. already labour saying it's a big unfunded tax cut for the rich . unfunded tax cut for the rich. >> yes , that's right. darren >> yes, that's right. darren jones, who is the shadow chief secretary to the treasury has written a letter today and put it on twitter saying , look, it's it on twitter saying, look, it's only a year since liz truss's

disastrous mini—budget and all the unfunded tax cuts that the markets took fright to and he's basically saying here, the concern , relatives go again. now concern, relatives go again. now the cost of this inherit tax abolition if it goes ahead and let's not get ahead of ourselves . the sunday times is reporting that the government are probably going to cut the threshold for inheritance tax in the march budget and then put in the manifesto to win votes that if they get elected, they would ultimately scrap it in entirely. but the current cost to the treasury, the amount it brings in, is about 7 billion. so labour are saying, well , where labour are saying, well, where are you going to get this 7 billion from? if not from inheritance tax? they do see it as another dividing line. but of course the conservatives are thinking about this. put simply

because they think it's going to get them rather a lot of votes, especially potentially in the blue wall. there's many disaffected conservatives down south sitting in houses, probably worth a lot of money who might be fed up with the conservatives after 13 years, who might be flirting with voting for the lib dems, who might very well be persuaded to stick with the tories if they promise to get rid of inheritance tax . now less than inheritance tax. now less than 4% of households actually pay inheritance tax when somebody dies and the current allowances for a couple include their main house run to £1 million. but although it doesn't affect that many people , it is absolutely many people, it is absolutely hated by many. and according to a recent survey about a third of people worry that it could affect affect them. so a clear dividing line as you say, grant shapps the defence secretary, has been out on air today and

he's been saying that it's punitive and he says there's something deeply unfair about being taxed all your lives and then being taxed in death as well . and i think that's it, well. and i think that's it, isn't it? people feel that it's a double form of taxation and it's very much hated . so let's it's very much hated. so let's see what happens now. but clearly the conservatives think this is a big vote winner for them . them. >> lines beginning to appear. it seems . thank >> lines beginning to appear. it seems. thank you very much indeed. catherine foster there , indeed. catherine foster there, gb news political correspondent from a sunny and breezy dover there. let me introduce my there. so let me introduce my panel and see what they have to say about this. we have political commentator joe phillips and social policy analyst dr. raqeeb hassan. i'm very interested to hear what you both think about this, because it that does well. it is something that does well. a of people have an a lot of people have an emotional response it comes emotional response when it comes to tax. don't they, to inheritance tax. don't they, joe just looking at some joe i'm just looking at some survey results from some polling that last october that was done last october yougov poll . 48% of people

yougov poll. 48% of people supported scrapping inheritance tax completely, which is quite a high proportion . high proportion. >> well, particularly as catherine just said, only 4% of households are affected. so it's a worry about something that doesn't affect people. what does affect people and what my view the government ought to be addressing is the real concerns and the real problem of how you pay and the real problem of how you pay for social care, because thatis pay for social care, because that is where for people who have if you want to go down this route of people who've worked hard, saved hard, bought their own house, et cetera. et cetera .then own house, et cetera. et cetera . then they are faced with the very prospect of having to very real prospect of having to sell it or rent it out or something in to order pay enormous care fees . now, you enormous care fees. now, you know, 13 years of the tories, labour party before them, nobody has dealt with the issue of social care, which i think is much more pressing and much more concerning. but as catherine just said, you know, this is an issue that rishi, you know, do you want sweets, do you want unicorns? do you want fairies?

because of this is going to because none of this is going to happen before , after the next happen before, after the next election, next year . this is election, next year. this is just floating stuff into the wind. it's trying to flush out labour and the liberal democrats, but the chances of any of it actually coming into action are very, very minimal. >> but perhaps it's quite smart politics for nick gibb the conservatives coming out with this because it puts pressure on the labour party to give their view and it appears that their view and it appears that their view on inheritance inheritance tax is not actually very popular. >> well, i think i'd make the point that it's probably something that's designed to really get crowd going at really get the crowd going at tory party conference. i suspect that's true. i think that the argument that it doesn't really affect many people, i think the point i'd make is that people may feel that further down the line, especially they're line, especially if they're aspirational and then increase their over then their wealth over time, then they may they may be they may feel they may be impacted it later on in life. impacted by it later on in life. but think, as joe it, is but i think, as joe said, it, is it going to be a real vote winner? it may bring in some

voters who may be flirting with the lib dems. it might bring them into tory in them back into the tory fold in more affluent wall more affluent blue wall constituencies southern constituencies in southern england. feel that england. but i just feel that the and butter, the more the bread and butter, the more immediate concerns surrounding the bread and butter, the more imncost|te concerns surrounding the bread and butter, the more imncost of concerns surrounding the bread and butter, the more imncost of living'ns surrounding the bread and butter, the more imncost of living crisis, rounding the cost of living crisis, i think to have far think that's going to have far more an impact in terms of more of an impact in terms of how voters behave at next how voters behave at the next general lot of general election. but a lot of people affected by people aren't affected by inheritance tax because maybe they've been quite savvy in the way that they've dealt with their assets before they die. >> or perhaps they've done a lot of gifting or as joe said, perhaps they've had to sell their assets anyway to pay for social care. so while on paper it may not impact that many people, threat of people, the threat of inheritance tax may be making people behave in in different ways with their money. >> no, that's a real possibility . but i think that more generally it is called as the most hated tax in britain. i don't think many taxes are well liked britain. truth be liked in britain. if truth be told. i think john makes a told. but i think john makes a really important point. i think more to talk more generally, we need to talk about care. how do we about social care. how do we fund how can be

fund social care? how can it be better resourced in local communities as well? so and i think that very closely think that is very closely related of related to the issue of inheritance tax. yes. >> so what's in terms of inheritance tax? let's stick stick on the inheritance tax, because i completely agree that stick on the inheritance tax, becaurcare,ompletely agree that stick on the inheritance tax, becaurcare, it's letely agree that stick on the inheritance tax, becaurcare, it's been' agree that stick on the inheritance tax, becaurcare, it's been something social care, it's been something that's the that's been kicked down the road. times i mean, road. how many times i mean, hundreds times. hundreds of times. every government promised government has promised that they'll seems to be they'll fix it. it seems to be one of those problems that there is just no silver bullet to. no, there isn't a silver bullet because a very difficult because it is a very difficult thing, but causing a huge thing, but it is causing a huge backlog hospitals. backlog in hospitals. >> causing huge pressure on >> it's causing huge pressure on families. davey at the families. ed davey at the liberal democrat conference is putting carers at the centre of his speech to the liberal democrats over the weekend. so andifs democrats over the weekend. so and it's a huge worry for people . how do you pay for it? i mean, it is i've got a mother, an elderly mother in a care home. it is costing an absolute fortune . now, you know, my fortune. now, you know, my parents saved and were frugal and all the rest of it, but it is just like throwing money down a drain and nobody begrudges that. but it's a real worry. do

you think there's something immoral, though, about the tax man taking away your assets after you've died? >> well , no, i after you've died? >> well, no, i don't think there's anything fundamentally immoral . immoral. >> i think what is immoral is that some people are not paying sufficient tax. you know , sufficient tax. you know, whether they're on their income, whether they're on their income, whether whether they're businesses who managed to evade it, whether they're non—doms, you know , whether you've got you know, whether you've got government with one hand saying, oh, we're going this oh, we're going to slash this thing doesn't actually thing that doesn't actually affect very many people, but we're going to £7 billion. we're going to lose £7 billion. or michael gove, the or you've got michael gove, the housing handing back housing secretary, handing back 1.1. £9 billion to the treasury because there's nobody in the entire department who could work out how to use that to help housing. you know, this is a government that is flailing around like a drowning person, grasping at anything that they think is going to save them some votes . votes. >> well, you say that, but others might say that they're quite happy to hear what the conservative what rishi sunak

actually wants for this country. he's starting things out he's starting to set things out , bit on net zero , rolling back a bit on net zero looks. he's intending to cut taxes at least some people will be liking what they hear now, possibly. >> and i think that there's a philosophical argument for scrapping the inheritance tax entirely , because i think that entirely, because i think that some people may feel that that's a very high level of state interference in family related affairs and i think that if the conservative party wants to move into a direction of introducing more family friendly tax system, then we working to reduce the inheritance tax with a view to abolishing it completely may well nestle in with that well that's controversial in its own right. >> some people would say the tax system should not discriminate based on your family or or lifestyle decisions or whatever, whether you choose to marry , whether you choose to marry, whether you choose to marry, whether you're single, etcetera, etcetera. others say it's good etcetera. others say it's a good way to support families, indeed to to settle to encourage people to settle down, have children, but stay married, etcetera. we're going to move on. but we will

to have to move on. but we will come back this because it's come back to this because it's very interesting discussion. joe phillips, political phillips, their political commentator, and dr. akiba san, social analyst. you're social policy analyst. you're watching gb watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. me know you carver. let me know what you think about inheritance tax. do you there's you think there's a philosophical argument just philosophical argument to just scrap says? scrap the lot like raqib says? i think there's a strong think there's quite a strong one. let me know. lots more coming up on today's show. we're going talking a top going to be talking to a top economist about tax cuts economist about whether tax cuts are virtually impossible or whether space. but whether there is some space. but first, look at the first, let's take a look at the weather greg. looks like weather with greg. looks like things up. things are heating up. >> boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. hello of weather on. gb news. hello there, i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . weather forecast. >> we have showers along with spells of rain over the next few days, turning very windy as we head towards the middle of the week and low pressure generally dominates next few days. dominates the next few days. however, we could see however, monday we could see some weather a time some drier weather for a time before further rain and wind moves particularly as we moves in, particularly as we head wednesday. it's head towards wednesday. and it's a picture for parts of a rainy picture for parts of scotland, northern ireland,

western parts england and western parts of england and wales. evening. that wales. this evening. that all sweeping eastwards as sweeping north and eastwards as we move through into the early hours a hours with showers following a windy evening and night to come with gales across the north and the west. but the wind starting to ease by the end of the night despite skies, despite clear skies, temperatures staying temperatures generally staying in figures across the in double figures across the whole of uk. so a bit of a whole of the uk. so a bit of a cloudy start across scotland, northern ireland with showery outbreaks of rain here. first thing monday morning, brighter skies sunshine skies with some sunshine for england but a england and wales, but a scattering showers. these scattering of showers. these will through the day as will continue through the day as the but lots the cloud bubbles up, but lots of staying dry . sunny of places staying dry. sunny spells and showers for northern ireland scotland well. ireland and scotland as well. still breezy, but the winds lighter compared to sunday still breezy, but the winds lighter cand ared to sunday still breezy, but the winds lighter cand temperatures y still breezy, but the winds lighter cand temperatures lifting evening and temperatures lifting into the low 20s . but generally into the low 20s. but generally 19 to 23 celsius into tuesday, we'll see a dry start to the day, some mist and fog patches. but then rain sweeps in from the west pushing eastwards as we head through the day ahead of some very wet and windy weather for wednesday. met office

warnings already in force for this. temperatures near average .looks this. temperatures near average . looks like things are heating up . up. >> boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. thanks greg. >> so still to come on the show, chancellor jeremy >> so still to come on the show, chancellorjeremy hunt says tax chancellor jeremy hunt says tax cuts are virtually impossible in the current economic climate. is he right? i'll be asking an expert who knows. i'm emily carver. this is gb news, britain's news .

news. the people's channel, britain's news. channel >> welcome back. this is gb news sunday. with me, emily carver. we're on your tv, online and digital radio. now. lots of you have been getting in touch about inheritance tax. ellison says it is not just your family home. it also includes a family business, something that had been built up for generations. difficult decisions had to be made . and decisions had to be made. and yes, people take risks. they save, they build up their assets . and then for some people , when . and then for some people, when they pass away, they're not able to pass it all on to their family. many would say it is simply immoral. it's also worth noting, actually, that in places like australia, canada, new zealand, they don't have inheritance tax . and also inheritance tax. and also i think sweden and norway did away with there's some food with it. so there's some food for he says we for thought. and he says we should allowed to receive should be allowed to receive what been by what has been passed on by parents without it being taxed

again. what is point again. what is the point of working going to working hard if you're going to be it makes dishonest be penalised? it makes dishonest people of honest people. i'd people out of honest people. i'd agree with a lot of that. i would say the government would say that the government should prioritise bringing should also prioritise bringing down on working down the tax burden on working people. all it is does feel a bit out of control when you look at your payslip and see income tax just going well, it's tax just going on well, it's just at people's just eats away at people's incomes like nothing else. incomes like like nothing else. sandra time the sandra says it's time the government the threshold for government fix the threshold for paying government fix the threshold for paying . pensioners shouldn't paying tax. pensioners shouldn't still paying after paying still be paying after paying all our after taking care our lives and after taking care of themselves. it's a disgrace. jennifer jennifer says anything that removes the stress of going through the hmrc process after you've your has got you've lost your family has got to a good thing. yes, this is to be a good thing. yes, this is something that isn't commented hard isn't hard enough upon or isn't mentioned talking mentioned when we're talking about inheritance tax can be extremely for parents extremely stressful for parents when you've just lost a loved one through all the one to go through all the process , rigmarole of trying process, the rigmarole of trying to with inheritance taxes to deal with inheritance taxes on that. but please do on top of that. but please do keep your views coming in. subscribe to our youtube channel, socials channel, follow us on socials while you're it. we're at gb while you're at it. we're at gb news across everything. now we've been talking about

inheritance tax and how the government are looking into it, andifs government are looking into it, and it's something that rishi sunak want to scrap sunak might want to scrap entirely . but jeremy entirely. but jeremy hunt, earlier this week said tax cuts will be virtually impossible until the economy improves. so which one is it? he said the country's high levels of debt have left him with very difficult decisions for the autumn statement in november. this comes as the nation's borrowing reaches levels not since seen since the early 1960s. so is he right ? since seen since the early 1960s. so is he right? our since seen since the early 1960s. so is he right ? our tax 1960s. so is he right? our tax cuts are virtually impossible. let's speak to former bank of england uk treasury advisor england and uk treasury advisor dr. roger garvald. hi, roger. thank you so much for joining dr. roger garvald. hi, roger. thank you so much forjoining us this afternoon. it'll be great to get your expert keys on this. so we've got the prospect out of the scrapping of inheritance tax altogether, or at least thresholds being tinkered with to save people money. but then jeremy hunt saying , oh, no tax jeremy hunt saying, oh, no tax cuts . impossible. we can't cuts. impossible. we can't possibly with the state of the debt and with the state of

economic growth, what do you say ? >> what 7- >> what a 7 >> what a contradiction in the tory party. that's impossible . tory party. that's impossible. what i say is that we we've been here before. >> if you remember , let me say >> if you remember, let me say that early morning last thursday on this channel, i made a prediction . against the all the prediction. against the all the punst prediction. against the all the pundits and experts saying otherwise, that the bank of england would not raise interest rates and they didn't. england would not raise interest rates and they didn't . and i'm rates and they didn't. and i'm going to make another prediction now, again, as an outlier guess, which is that despite everything that jeremy says, we are going to see massive tax cuts leading up to and before a general election, we certainly can afford it. not only do you have jeremy saying we can't and then rishi at the same time saying, oh, well, let's give away £7 billion for inheritance tax to

woo some blue wall voters . you woo some blue wall voters. you know , of course we can afford it know, of course we can afford it . i go know, of course we can afford it .i go back know, of course we can afford it . i go back to last november. i was saying when you'll remember jeremy did this before and softened us all up with the £55 billion black hole. if you recall, which had to be filled immediately. and half of that was tax raised . and he he was tax raised. and he he introduced mainly stealth taxes for half of that money. and a couple of days later , the black couple of days later, the black hole, the other 30 million, which was supposed to be public service cuts, disappear , service cuts, disappear, appeared. and a lot of think tanks came out and said we don't have a £55 billion black hole. we actually have a £30 billion surplus. so i think there's plenty of money around. and what's actually really happened is that the rich rishi has woken up to just how unpopular his party has become. the blue and red wall voters who gave boris his 80 seats are certainly not

around. many tory voters. long term lifetime tory voters are just very dissatisfied with the last 13 years and they've made so many mistakes that up until a week or so ago you could have put a highly taxed cigarette paper between them and the labour party. you couldn't have squeezed it in and now in the past week , you'll note that past week, you'll note that rishi has sort of put some clear blue water between them on net zero and angela rayner has put some clear blue. >> yeah. roger, to just go back to whether we can afford the, the tax cuts can we really because we are sitting in a huge pile of national debt, the demand is on the public purse are just enormous and they seem to be ever growing whether it's the nhs, whether it's pensions, whether it's welfare . we have whether it's welfare. we have 2.3, 2.4 people on out of work benefits. we then have a transport, our infrastructure

projects are always going completely over budget. so can we actually afford to give away tax cuts ? can we really ? tax cuts? can we really? >> yes . i'm tax cuts? can we really? >> yes. i'm sorry, i was getting an echo there. so that sort of disrupted things. yes we can. i mean, it depends what figures you look at. and there are a number of think tanks that point out that the way the national debtis out that the way the national debt is being calculated now is quite different than the way rishi was calculating when he was chancellor and the mere fact that he's willing to spend £7 billion on on the rich effectively when what he should be doing is raising the tax threshold . if he wants to give threshold. if he wants to give away money from 12,000 to £20,000 a year, so that people who don't earn very much money aren't dragged into the tax net as as prices and wages rise. >> well, that's lifting the tax threshold to £20,000. that would go down very nicely with most people . thank you very much people. thank you very much indeed for your time, roger.

we're going to have to end it there. but you. as ever, there. but thank you. as ever, for expertise there. former for your expertise there. former bank uk treasury bank of england and uk treasury adviser dr. roger gavel, always great him. joe he great to speak to him. joe he spoke about the threshold you were talking about income were talking about the income tax lifting it to tax threshold, lifting it to £20,000. afford that? £20,000. can we afford that? >> i don't know. mean, i'm not >> i don't know. i mean, i'm not an economist, but he seems to be very optimistic that we've got that i i mean, what that money. i think i mean, what this government has done, are this government has done, we are now more taxed than for now more highly taxed than for decades. and more highly taxed, you know, considering the tories say they're they're a low tax party. and i think if you raise the personal allowance , you then the personal allowance, you then are getting across that barrier or you're trying to solve the barrier that stops people being able to take on work because you've got this continual lump of people, if you like, who are the working poor. but as soon as they earn a little bit more, they earn a little bit more, they then paying more tax. so thatis they then paying more tax. so that is a nonsense because you've got peter robbing peter to pay paul and it's just going

round and round in circles. so i mean, maybe 20,000 is extreme, but you could certainly put it up to a more reasonable level. >> is there? i don't know how to phrase this rookie. is there a bit of a moral hazard, though, of bringing people completely out of tax system? because out of the tax system? because being part of contributing to the treasury's funds and to societies is truly important? well, i think that contributory principle is quite important in respect to the welfare state. >> i think there is a contradiction though, that the tories seem to be talking about reducing with a view to abolishing the inheritance tax. and then jeremy hunt is coming out saying that out and saying that it's impossible to reduce any taxes . impossible to reduce any taxes. but in my view, i think that we have to fund a variety of infrastructure projects moving forward . the discussion on forward. the discussion on immigration, for example, if you want to wean the country off immigration dependency, especially when it comes to health and social care, that requires investing in own requires investing in your own domestic in terms domestic workforce and in terms of skills, apprenticeships, scholarships and bursaries. so i'm not so optimistic that we

can reduce taxes . i'm not so optimistic that we can reduce taxes. i'm i'm not so optimistic that we can reduce taxes . i'm generally can reduce taxes. i'm generally committed to a social a social democratic model of political economy, and that requires taxes being at a certain level. and i think reducing them could potentially undermine the sustainable of the welfare state. >> then we'd have more economic growth and maybe more money in down economics, maybe more money in the coffers. but it's interesting that you mentioned education because we're to education because we're going to be and be talking about maths and engush be talking about maths and english 18 because that's english to age 18 because that's one of rishi big ideas one of rishi sunak big ideas too. this is gb news sunday too. but this is gb news sunday with me, emily carver. still ahead today's show, civil ahead on today's show, civil servants believe biological servants who believe biological sex are reportedly sex is binary are reportedly being compared to. i'm asking, is whitehall being held hostage by woke mobsters? it seems so, but first, here's the news with aaron armstrong . aaron armstrong. >> hello . very good afternoon to >> hello. very good afternoon to you. it's 1:30 >> hello. very good afternoon to you. it's1:30 here in the gb newsroom . rishi sunak is newsroom. rishi sunak is planning to cut inheritance tax and could announce the policy before next month's party

conference. the sunday times claims the prime minister's planning to reduce the rate in march before scrapping it altogether with his team referring to it as the most hated tax in britain. inheritance tax is levied at 40, with the vast majority of couples can pass on £1 million to children without paying to their children without paying a it is one a number a penny. it is one of a number of long term policies that may be implemented before the next general election as the tories attempt overturn labour's general election as the tories attenint overturn labour's general election as the tories attenin the overturn labour's general election as the tories attenin the polls|rn labour's general election as the tories attenin the polls .n labour's general election as the tories attenin the polls . formerr's lead in the polls. former transport secretary grant shapps says it would be irresponsible to keep ploughing money into hs2 . he's added it would be crazy not to reassess whether the rail project viable. the project remains viable. the sunday telegraph claims the potential cost of the scheme has increased by £8 billion, which the chancellor , jeremy hunt says the chancellor, jeremy hunt says is out of control and the government have refused to deny that the birmingham to manchester leg is to be curtailed with the planned line to east midlands parkway also under threat at suella. braverman says she supports armed police officers handing in their firearms and stepping back from after a colleague

from duties after a colleague was with the murder of was charged with the murder of chris kaba. he was unarmed and died when he was shot and killed in his car in south london last yeah in his car in south london last year. officer of his year. the officer accused of his murder in court on murder appeared in court on thursday. the home secretary has ordered a review of armed policing. gb news understands as many as 100 counter—terrorist officers have decided to step back from those duties and a remnant of our early solar system , which scientists believe system, which scientists believe can shed light on how planets formed and life on earth began, is due to land in the united states later, nasa have collected the sample from the asteroid bennu after a seven year long mission , it will be year long mission, it will be the largest of its kind. brought back earth and is estimated back to earth and is estimated to be 4.5 billion years old. fragments will be studied by scientists from the university of manchester and the natural history museum . that's it for history museum. that's it for me. i'll be back with more in just under half an hour's time. or you can get more on our stories on our website. gbnews.com .

gbnews.com. >> thank you, aaron. now gender critical civil servants have reportedly been compared to. so members of a group of civil servants who believe biological sex is binary and immutable say they've witnessed or experienced bullying, harassment or discrimination because of their views. now, the telegraph reports some have even been accused of holding views that resemble . now, this comes after resemble. now, this comes after civil servants warned the cabinet secretary of awoke takeover of whitehall with gender ideology promoted by trans activists becoming ingrained so is whitehall being held hostage by those who. well refuse to accept that some people have gender critical views and believe sex is immutable and binary. let's speak to chief political commentator at the independent, john rentoul. john, thank you very much for coming on to discuss this. i think it's a very important report here, actually, because sometimes stories like this can seem overblown and they can seem

exaggerated . but looking at what exaggerated. but looking at what stephen edgington , i believe it stephen edgington, i believe it is, who's written this story up, has found is actually quite shocking. i think it is indisputable, really when looking at some of the facts in this report that those with gender critical views, well, it's becoming a bit of a hostile environment in whitehall. >> well , i'm environment in whitehall. >> well, i'm not i'm not sure about that . it's rather hard to about that. it's rather hard to hard to tell from the from the report. i mean, the my main the main impression i took away from it is that civil servants don't seem to have enough to do. they seem to have enough to do. they seem to have enough to do. they seem to spend all their time in in zoom meetings and being rude to other their their to each other about their their views on on on sex and gender which i wouldn't have thought was central to, their job. was central to, to their job. and i think that that senior civil servants ought to get a grip of the situation and get them to do some work. >> it's concerning that there are civil servants who feel bullied and harassed, treated

differently for holding views that probably don't have don't have the statistics to hand. probably the majority of the country would agree with. could that not have a negative impact on policy making and also make it quite difficult for potentially the women's inequality minister, for example, to put in policy or because gender critical beliefs are actually protected in law under the equality act, it yeah , well, i mean, why are we even getting into what's protected by law? >> i mean, why can't adult in a workplace have a reasonable discussion about controversial issues without descending into calling each other , which calling each other, which incidentally automatically loses you the argument or or invoking the law? this is this is completely over the top. and people ought to be able to have a reasonable discussion about such such things without without

without tending to these extremes . extremes. >> john, i think that's idealistic. now it's simply not the case. it's in not just in whitehall, but across industries. so in the music world, in the arts, world, in schools, you , you know, in big schools, you, you know, in big corporates , it is pretty corporates, it is pretty difficult to have these views or to express them when it should be something that is just okay. we tolerate each other's beliefs. we don't go around calling them, as you say, but that doesn't seem to be the case. people do seem to be extremely intolerant at well, some people, some people do seem to be. >> yes. and they shouldn't be. so but this solution to suggest that there's some kind of conspiracy against people holding perfectly normal views about sex and gender, i think is not right. i don't think i don't think that is generally the case in british society. i don't think it's generally the case in the civil service either. well,

you've had a number of academics being turfed of being essentially turfed out of universities being universities, events being de—platformed formed, feeling like they have to leave a university even because their gender critical views, which essentially is the belief that biological sex is immutable , biological sex is immutable, male and binary, simply isn't accepted in those institutions . accepted in those institutions. >> so how do we and this is i'm just asking your opinion , how do just asking your opinion, how do you think that we can move forward as a society and accept that people have different views on this and people don't need to . not everyone needs to agree , . not everyone needs to agree, and that's okay. yeah. >> no, well, that's that's exactly what i'm what i'm saying. emily, i think if more people understood that and appreciated that and respected that respect for each other in these debates, then i think we would get we would get a lot further on. i mean, i think, you know, the idea i mean, yes, there are specific problems in in some specific institutions and academia is a terrible place

in many in many ways because the stakes are so small. as henry kissinger once said . but kissinger once said. but generally, i do think that this problem has probably been exaggerated by by some elements of the conservative press. >> i think it doesn't help that it's quite confusing with some of our politicians what they think on this matter. and it would be helpful to get a clear idea on who's right, you know, where the rights are because it seems so confusing . we're going seems so confusing. we're going to be talking about schools and socially transitioning children and all that and the law and all of that and the law around that the advice and around that and the advice and the guidance has either been non—existent or vague and non—existent or very vague and contradictory . but we'll speak contradictory. but we'll speak about thank you very about that later. thank you very much. always lovely to speak to you. rentoul, there, chief you. john rentoul, there, chief political the political commentator at the independent. thank you very much indeed rikki indeed for your time. rikki neave this. it's difficult neave on this. it's a difficult one because sort of played one because john sort of played it down a bit there and said essentially, can't everyone just get and accept that people get along and accept that people have opinions, but have difference of opinions, but

that's how it plays that's not really how it plays out no, think that if i'm being >> no, i think that if i'm being honest, i think john is trivialising impact of trivialising the impact of radical many radical transgenderism in many of institutions, of our public institutions, including within the civil service. i think it's i think i'm very uncomfortable with how all too often, if people come across a view which runs counter to their own, they look to strike parallels with germany. i've seen that tendency over the course of the last few years, and i think it's incredibly unhelpful and deeply insulting . unhelpful and deeply insulting. biological sex matters . that's biological sex matters. that's the truth of it. and i think that if you have radical transgenderism playing a part within the civil service i think that's hugely problematic . and i that's hugely problematic. and i think that we're going to be talking about it a bit later on in terms of what's going on in in terms of what's going on in in some of our schools. i think that there is there are compromises to be struck here. i think people trans people, think that people trans people, they to live they should be able to live their lives of harassment , their lives free of harassment, intimidation . we intimidation and violence. we have to be very clear here that biological sex matters. and i

think when we go further think that when we go further down line, talk about the down the line, we talk about the integrity same spaces , integrity of same sex spaces, whether crisis whether it's rape crisis centres, domestic violence sanctuaries , public toilets and sanctuaries, public toilets and changing rooms . i sanctuaries, public toilets and changing rooms. i think sanctuaries, public toilets and changing rooms . i think that changing rooms. i think that needs the integrity of those same sex spaces, needs to be preserved and protected. >> yeah, because if, if civil servants. jo aren't willing to tolerate that difference of opinion on this issue , how can opinion on this issue, how can they work on policy that i'm sure dictates that sex based spaces are are required ? spaces are are required? >> i'm sure there are lots of people who work in the civil service who are perfectly able to divorce what their beliefs are, whether they're religious or ethical or whatever , from the or ethical or whatever, from the job that they are required to do. i think, as i recall this article in the telegraph talks about 40 civil servants who've written to simon case, the cabinet secretary. i think there are probably 40,000 civil servants and that's just

guess. >> well, hang on. actually, there's a there's a survey that's been done of 305 people who belong civil servants who belong to this group called sex equality and equity network. so 305 and they're across 64 departments. and it found that 41% of females who responded and 30% of male respondents said they'd witnessed or experienced bullying, harassment or discrimination for holding gender critical views . so this gender critical views. so this is an orphan not believing in gender identity. >> emily, a tiny, >> but but, emily, it is a tiny, tiny number. no, hang on. of people across the entire civil service. so in terms of journalism, this is absolute cobblers. frank oakley, that the telegraph, which once was an esteemed paper, should talk about the woke brigade taking over whitehall. this is based on such a tiny number of people across the whole civil service well, joe, i think which doesn't mean that dismissing if this was a i'm dismissing you're dismissing the experience of these of these civil servants who are saying that they feel they're in a hostile environment at all. i'm not dismissing it at

all. what i'm dismissing is the way that is portrayed. and way that it is portrayed. and i think that's that john think that's the point that john rentoul was making that all the time. it whipped up into time. it is whipped up into a thing that people don't read. but these are real issues, though, aren't they? they are real issues they should be real issues and they should be debated and debated in a very sensible and very way, not whipped very grown up way, not whipped into some sort of problem or looking to strike parallels with germany, which is also very unhelpful. absolutely. no, i completely that. but completely agree with that. but if you build this up into absolute based on a absolute hysteria based on a survey that's carried out across three years, i only think that there is what you call hysteria because there's been so much pressure from the other side raqeeb to the desire to make everyone conform to one way of thinking. >> so it starts with putting your pronouns in your bio. we had departments previously, you know, encouraging people to do so. it's also in the corporate world. it create an world. it does create an environment where if you don't believe that, that, you know, sex and gender are different or

that you can transition and all of this stuff. so that is protected in the equality act. so that you shouldn't , you know, so that you shouldn't, you know, that you can't express your your view. i think you can't dismiss , you can't, you know, you can't dismiss it. >> they're very real concerns. and many people will be in a work environment where they feel uncomfortable and unhappy, as will people of ethnic minorities, of different faith groups . women have perpetually groups. women have perpetually been marginalised and bullied. you know , there's nothing new in you know, there's nothing new in this. there is always going to be in a large group of people, particularly a workforce, people who feel uncomfortable about the way things are. >> this is something that transcends whitehall, though. >> i'd also make the point >> it's i'd also make the point if talking about ethnic >> it's i'd also make the point if religious ng about ethnic >> it's i'd also make the point if religious minorities,thnic >> it's i'd also make the point if religious minorities, it1ic and religious minorities, it tend more socially tend to be more socially conservative than the mainstream. suspect that mainstream. i suspect that gender critical views are disproportion represented within those as well. those groups as well. >> yeah, that's an interesting point. >> which then where does that put that? you know, if your faith declares that , you know, faith declares that, you know, basically i'm just making the

point, if you want to have a truly inclusive civil service point, if you want to have a truly i islusive civil service point, if you want to have a truly i is truly civil service point, if you want to have a truly i is truly representative of which is truly representative of racial religious minorities, racial and religious minorities, having attitude having this kind of attitude towards views towards gender critical views actually against that. actually works against that. >> it probably does. but >> yeah, it probably does. but we'll back this . we've we'll come back to this. we've got more coming on got lots more coming up on today's republica staged today's show, republica staged their inside their first ever protest inside a buckingham wearing a buckingham palace wearing t shirts spelling out not my king or some variation of that. i think they've they're kind of not it very well. but not doing it very well. but we'll discuss next. i'm we'll discuss that next. i'm emily carver. this is gb news, britain's news .

monday to thursdays from six till 930 . till 930. >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. we're on your tv, online and digital radio now republican anti monarchy activists have staged the first ever protest inside of buckingham palace. the protesters from anti—monarchy group republic are understood to have posed as tourists to get in. they made their way to the grand hall before revealing t shirts spelling out not my king, although it looks a bit more like no to me . although it looks a bit more like no to me. king although it looks a bit more like no to me . king they although it looks a bit more like no to me. king they had although it looks a bit more like no to me . king they had one like no to me. king they had one job. he could have the tea could have stood a little bit closer to the no, no. but that's maybe i'm being a bit picky there. but joining me now is former royal correspondent at the sun, charles charles. hello thank charles rea charles. hello thank you very much indeed for joining us afternoon. mean, it's us this afternoon. i mean, it's a funny, isn't it, really? a bit funny, isn't it, really? i mean, what these people mean, what are these people thinking? do they think they're to going make a massive impact thinking? do they think they're to going such a massive impact thinking? do they think they're to going such a stunt?/e impact thinking? do they think they're to going such a stunt? no mpact by doing such a stunt? no >> no, i don't. i mean , it's

>> no, i don't. i mean, it's really embarrassing for them as well. >> they've had to put there's nine of them and there's a obviously someone taking the picture. so that's at least ten people who've had to pay up to £30 or just a little bit more £30 orjust a little bit more than £30 a head to get into the palace like normal tourists would would do. so they've actually the republic who's complaining about the royal family and the money they make and everything has actually put more £300 into the coffers more than £300 into the coffers of royal finances. very clever . of royal finances. very clever. and as you quite rightly say , and as you quite rightly say, people could see the picture. they can't actually, as you quite rightly say, they only had one job, and that is to get three words together, not my king. and you've got the guy, mr t, standing next to mr m and not next to mr o. t, standing next to mr m and not next to mr 0. so you've got this sort of bizarre yorkshire phrase now. no, to my king. um, and just going terribly well. >> do you know what? it's quite it's quite funny. so graham smith , who was speaking for

smith, who was speaking for repubuc smith, who was speaking for republic i'm not sure if he's the boss of it all, but he said this. this is a first, an anti monarchy protest inside buckingham palace, a fantastic statement of intent . eight statement of intent. eight citizens standing up in the home of the monarchy to declare their opposition to hereditary power. i mean, he's they're excited by it all. well he would be because he's the boss of monarchy. >> and, you know , he's come up >> and, you know, he's come up with this. they've come up with this idea of a protest. i mean, i would have thought it would also be far better to get people of a similar height because it looks like somebody taking a typewriter and all the letters wrong . yeah, he's getting wrong. yeah, he's getting excited about it, but i don't think very many other people will get it. this not my king phrase has been their mantra ever since charles acceded to the throne. it'll stay there . the throne. it'll stay there. repubuc the throne. it'll stay there. republic are entitled to their views. it's absolutely fine. but the protest . yeah, fine. you've the protest. yeah, fine. you've carried out a protest . you've carried out a protest. you've not sneaked into the palace. you've not climbed over the

walls. you've actually handed over the money to the royal finances to get in there. very good. >> like the rejoin eu proto est this weekend, which was a you know all quite quite good spirit fitted but a little bit embarrassing just because the turnout was a bit low. but thank you very much indeed. charles rea, former royal rea, the former royal correspondent let's correspondent at the sun. let's get view to my panel get your quick view to my panel , my lovely panel, rikki neave . , my lovely panel, rikki neave. i mean, free speech. >> you know, of course, they're absolutely entitled to express their view in a free society. but i think in a way, the fact they couldn't arrange themselves physically is a perfect embodiment of how disorganised the movement in the republican movement is in the republican movement is in the do think the king the uk. do you think the king will worried? will be worried? >> shouldn't so. >> i shouldn't think so. >> i shouldn't think so. >> from the spelling and >> apart from the spelling and as said, it looked like as charles said, it looked like as charles said, it looked like a wonky typewriter or one of those sort of things that you sing with. i mean, sing along with. yeah, i mean, it's bit silly. there's it's a bit silly. there's probably security issue there, probably a security issue there, but , you know, there is a more but, you know, there is a more serious point to it that actually members of republican in arrested in the republic were arrested dunng

in the republic were arrested during the coronation, even though they had already informed and worked with the police that they were going to make a peaceful protest. so freedom to protest is really important. this government is doing an awful lot to curtail it. >> you're right to bring that up. it is essential for a democracy to be allowed to protest peacefully and not have the threat of police intervention. but it's quite it's quite funny how we also saw the rejoin eu protests . i think the rejoin eu protests. i think for some people, protests is just a nice day out. >> no possibly. and i think what was really interesting was that even though this sort of pro—remain or pro rejoin movement wants to come across as quite cosmic and inclusive , it quite cosmic and inclusive, it looks fairly homogenous to me, based on the images that i've seen richard's written and he says not my king brigade. >> just go away. if they want a republic, go and live in one. well, they want to change britain, don't they? they want to. they want to mould britain into what they want. and that to. they want to mould britain into needthey want. and that to. they want to mould britain into need aey want. and that to. they want to mould britain into need a revolutionnd that to. they want to mould britain into need a revolution attitude may need a revolution attitude of, you know, let's be let's be

convivial and collegial . convivial and collegial. >> that's the attitude that is the problem, isn't it? richard's attitude? if they don't like it, go away. some might say it's a strong point. >> let me know what you think at home. but yes, that's what we've got for this hour. you're watching or listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carr. we've got lots more coming up later. but first, let's take a look at the weather with greg. >> looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. we have showers along with spells of rain over the next few days turning very windy as we head towards the middle of the week and low pressure generally dominates the next few days. however, monday we could see some weather for a time some drier weather for a time before rain wind before further rain and wind moves particularly we moves in, particularly as we head wednesday . and it's head towards wednesday. and it's a picture for parts of a rainy picture for parts of scotland, ireland, scotland, northern ireland, western of england and western parts of england and wales this evening. that all sweeping eastwards as sweeping north and eastwards as we through into the early

we move through into the early hours following hours with showers following a windy evening and night to come with gales across the north and the west. but the wind starting to by the end of the night to ease by the end of the night despite skies, despite clear skies, temperatures staying temperatures generally staying in the in double figures across the whole of the uk. so a bit of a cloudy start across scotland. northern ireland with showery outbreaks of rain here. first thing monday morning, brighter skies some sunshine for skies with some sunshine for england wales, a england and wales, but a scattering showers. these scattering of showers. these will continue through the day as the bubbles up, but lots the cloud bubbles up, but lots of dry. sunny of places staying dry. sunny spells for northern spells and showers for northern ireland scotland as well. ireland and scotland as well. still breezy, winds still breezy, but the winds lighter compared to sunday evening and temperatures lifting into the low 20s. but generally 19 to 23 celsius into tuesday , 19 to 23 celsius into tuesday, we'll see a dry start to the day . some mist and fog patches, but then rain sweeps in from the west, pushing eastwards as we head through the day ahead of some very wet and windy weather for wednesday. met office warnings already in force for this. temperatures near average i >> -- >> looks like things are heating

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us well. good afternoon . welcome to well. good afternoon. welcome to gb news sunday. thank you for joining us this lunchtime. i am emily carver. for the next hour, i'll be keeping you company. we're on tv, online and on digital coming up, digital radio. so coming up, suella braverman is ramping up her efforts to tackle the migration crisis with a fresh attack the echr . the home attack on the echr. the home secretary is questioning whether these international conventions are fit for purpose. is she right to do so? then? how would you have fared? learning maths and english till 18? well, your kids might find out first hand. the prime minister is reportedly planning a radical shake up of a—levels. but would it make us a smarter nation , or are we smarter nation, or are we perhaps at risk of stifling creativity ? not everyone is good creativity? not everyone is good at maths and english. coming up at maths and english. coming up at the end of the hour, the equalities watchdog has made clear for the first time that schools will not be breaking the law if they refuse to call children by their chosen name or

genden children by their chosen name or gender. sense or gender. is this common sense or discrimination will sense discrimination will make sense of later on in the show. and of it later on in the show. and do get in touch. send us your thoughts on gbviews@gbnews.com. send me message on our send me a message on our socials. at gb news. but socials. we're at gb news. but first, let's get the news with . aaron >> very good afternoon to you. it's a minute past to aaron armstrong here in the gb newsroom down king street has sought to play down reports that the prime minister is drawing up plans inheritance tax plans to slash inheritance tax tax. times claims tax. the sunday times claims rishi sunak is considering reducing the current rate in the budget in march , with view to budget in march, with a view to phasing out altogether in phasing it out altogether in future . and that's despite future years. and that's despite a warning by the chancellor , a warning by the chancellor, jeremy hunt last week that he'd have for tax cuts . have no headroom for tax cuts. death duty is charged at 40, but the vast majority of estates fall below the threshold and married couples are able to pass on £1 million to their kids without being taxed. it is a tax cut, which is good news for the rich and has no impact on people

who are not not so well—heeled. >> i mean , what does it mean to >> i mean, what does it mean to people who are renting for example? what does it mean to people who've a little got people who've got a little got a little place that worth little place that isn't worth that much? absolutely zero. meanwhile is meanwhile the economy is manifestly strapped for cash. and you cut that tax, then and if you cut that tax, then what? then then how does that impact on, say, cutting income tax, which would which would be good news for everybody ? there good news for everybody? there isn't that much money to splash the cash, to splash around . if the cash, to splash around. if you give it to the rich, you can't give it to the others . can't give it to the others. >> political commentator peter spencen >> political commentator peter spencer. there now, a former transport secretary, grant shapps, it would be shapps, says it would be irresponsible to ploughing irresponsible to keep ploughing money hs2 . the government's money into hs2. the government's failed deny reports , though, failed to deny reports, though, claiming manchester is claiming the manchester leg is set scrapped. the east set to be scrapped. the east midlands parkway line is also under threat. the sunday times is reporting the potential cost of the high speed rail scheme has increased by £8 billion, which chancellor says is out which the chancellor says is out of control. the cuts could be made the tory party made before the tory party conference in manchester next

month . suella braverman has month. suella braverman has ordered a review of armed policing after dozens of officers stepped back from dufies officers stepped back from duties following the charging of a colleague with murder over the chris kaba shooting . he was chris kaba shooting. he was unarmed and died when he was shot in his car in south london last year. the officer accused of his murder appeared in court on thursday. the home secretary says armed police have to make split second decisions and mustn't fear ending up in the dock for carrying out their duties. gb news understands as many as 100 counter—terror officers have decided to step back. officers have decided to step back . 50 new double decker buses back. 50 new double decker buses have started running in greater manchester today. the new network covers wigan , bolton and network covers wigan, bolton and parts of salford and bury. it is the first locally controlled service in the area for nearly 40 years and the first regulated bus system outside london since privatisation in 1986. andy burnham, the mayor of greater manchester, says it's an exciting moment for public

transport in the region . an transport in the region. an asteroid sample which could help us understand the existence of life on earth, is due to land in the united states later . the the united states later. the osiris—rex spacecraft . it is osiris—rex spacecraft. it is bringing home samples from the asteroid bennu scientists believe that will shed light on the formation of the planets and the formation of the planets and the origin of water on earth. a capsule is due to land in utah around 4:00 this afternoon. it's the culmination of a seven year mission. dr. amy simon, a senior scientist at nasa , says it will scientist at nasa, says it will allow us to look back billions of into the past . of years into the past. >> asteroids the leftover >> asteroids are the leftover remnants from solar system formation , so they are a formation, so they are a pristine example of planetary building blocks and studying them helps us to understand how them helps us to understand how the earth and all the planets in our solar system were formed. and so we'll be taking those samples and looking what samples and looking at what they're looking the they're made of, looking at the different sizes of particles. but looking for carbon but we'll be looking for carbon beanng but we'll be looking for carbon bearing minerals. we'll be looking organics , amino looking for organics, amino acids, building of acids, the building blocks of life , as well evidence that life, as well as evidence that there was hydration in the past

on bennu's surface. all on bennu's surface. because all of things are the sort of of these things are the sort of materials that were delivered to earth that helped life flourish here. >> people have braved the chilly sea celebrate the autumn sea to celebrate the autumn equinox. i should warn you , the equinox. i should warn you, the footage you're about to see contains naked contains images of naked bottoms. participer stripped down to take part in the annual north—east dip in north—east skinny dip in druridge bay. the official start of autumn, the equinox is when the sun is directly above the equator and day and night are equal length tasteful shots. i think you'd agree though, the september equinox marks the end of the summer months and ushers in the shorter days . of the summer months and ushers in the shorter days. but of the summer months and ushers in the shorter days . but there's in the shorter days. but there's something to smile about. that's it from me for the moment. we're are on your tv, your digital radio and your smart speaker too. i'll be back in about half an hour's time. now it's over to . emily >> thanks, aaron. we thought they were quite tasteful shots, too. i think that's i think

that's right. so let's get stuck into our top news here. so the home secretary suella braverman has ramped up her efforts to tackle the migration crisis. she is warning that international rules and conventions governing the treatment of migrants are no longer fit for purpose. she is of course, previously been very vocalin of course, previously been very vocal in her criticism of the european convention on human rights , signed in 1950. she says rights, signed in 1950. she says her personal view is that the uk should leave. so do we need a shake—up in international rules and legal frameworks in to order tackle the migrant crisis ? we tackle the migrant crisis? we don't seem to have found a solution yet. it. joining me now is gb news political correspondent catherine forster . catherine, thank you for joining me again from dover, which is quite fitting for this discussion, really . now, suella discussion, really. now, suella braverman is due to go to washington tomorrow . what is she washington tomorrow. what is she hoping to achieve in this big speech giving . speech she's giving. >> yes, she is. and some of the sort of comments she's made planning to make have been

trailed . and today she's going trailed. and today she's going to be making this speech on tuesday . and fundamentally, tuesday. and fundamentally, she's saying that europe and the states and britain need to club together to tackle the challenges facing them in terms of global migration . and the of global migration. and the world bank estimates that by 2050, 216 million people will be on the move. and she's questioning whether some of these legal frameworks and conventions like the european convention on human rights that were signed decades ago are fit for purpose, as she says , in the for purpose, as she says, in the age of jet travel and smartphones . and certainly i've smartphones. and certainly i've been here down in dover all day, rishi sunak , of course, has rishi sunak, of course, has pledged to stop the boats not having much luck with that so far . is he having much luck with that so far. is he talking to having much luck with that so far . is he talking to locals far. is he talking to locals here? they are well and truly fed up of promises not being

fulfilled , of people coming fulfilled, of people coming ashore pretty much every day. okay. it's choppy today . not so okay. it's choppy today. not so much today, but 24,000 people have crossed the channel illegally so far this year now. okay that's about 20% down on the numbers last year. but still very big numbers. they say putting on huge pressure on the local council on public services. a lady telling me that she couldn't get to see a dentist for months, but that the people coming illegally have much quicker and easier access. so this is a huge issue . and of so this is a huge issue. and of course, suella braverman has said that it is her dream to get people on those flights to rwanda , those one way tickets to rwanda, those one way tickets to rwanda, those one way tickets to rwanda , that the government are rwanda, that the government are convinced if they can do that, that will act as a factor to stop people coming over in the first place. of course, it's been blocked in the courts and so suella braverman is saying

that potentially there's a court battle going on. we'll see what the result is in the coming months . but the result is in the coming months. but if it the result is in the coming months . but if it doesn't go, months. but if it doesn't go, the government's way, there will be a lot of pressure to potentially consider put pulling the uk out of the european convention on human rights . convention on human rights. >> thank you very much, catherine, for talking us through all that. you've given us a very good idea of what she is going to say on tuesday. it'll be interesting to see how tory mps react because there is such a divide in the conservative party over whether we should still remain in the echr signed up to these treaties or whether we should not be. thank you very much to catherine foster there. our political correspondent, right with me , my correspondent, right with me, my panel correspondent, right with me, my panel, raqeeb ahsan and joe phillips. your response to what catherine really was saying there ? huge pressure, not just there? huge pressure, not just on the uk when it comes to migration, but the entirety of europe and of course the united states as well. do you believe that the treaties we are signed up to are still fit for purpose

? >> well, 7- >> well, i ? >> well, i think we do need a new international settlement. so in terms of the european convention on human rights, that was 1950 european convention, 1951, we live in a very different world now. it's far more interconnected in terms of travel and technology . so travel and technology. so i think there's definitely a discussion to be had in terms of how we modernise those treaties and conventions and how the uk fits into that. so i think that the home secretary is on the right direction, but more generally when it comes to policy and delivery, there's no doubt that the government is struggling when it comes to the small boats emergency rac so we can conversations can have these conversations about how do we modernise treaties the treaties and conventions of the uk but ultimately uk are part of. but ultimately voters want to see delivery sooner rather later. i sooner rather than later. i think, when it comes sooner rather than later. i thithe when it comes sooner rather than later. i thithe small when it comes sooner rather than later. i thithe small boats1en it comes sooner rather than later. i thithe small boats emergencys sooner rather than later. i thithe small boats emergency on to the small boats emergency on the english south coast. >> yeah, i mean, would to >> yeah, i mean, i would tend to agree because can't have a agree because you can't have a situation europe i mean, situation where europe i mean, take take a look at lampedusa , take take a look at lampedusa, for example. you've had the population doubled in a few weeks because of the movement of

people . how does europe control that? >> well, it's very difficult . i >> well, it's very difficult. i think that first we have to make the point that european countries are struggling with demographic imbalances is so to a degree, immigration is needed for those countries unless they introduce ambitious pro—natalist policies. and we can also have that conversation as well. but more generally, we need to talk about how do we help countries develop economically , especially develop economically, especially in also parts of the in africa, and also parts of the middle east? how do we help them improve the quality of governance their own governance in their own countries ? so we're involved countries? so if we're involved in they that may reduce in that, they that may reduce the migration related pressures on the on the on the more developed world. >> joe, do you baulk in horror when you hear the potential for the uk to leave the baulk in or for any changes to be made? >> baulk in horror when i hear suella braverman's name actually . but but i think rocky makes a really important point about that. if we want to try and help

stem the need for people to flee their home lands and that figure was 216 million people on the move by 2050 that catherine referred to . one of the ways of referred to. one of the ways of doing that is to mitigate against the effects of climate change, which means crop failure, which means floods, which means fires, which means damage. and in uninhabitable parts of the world. now we've got a government. >> but hang on, hang on. let me pick you up on that. people will still want to move to richer countries. of course they will. even if they get a little bit fichen even if they get a little bit richer. aid. richer. thanks to some aid. >> of course they will. they will also want to somewhere will also want to go somewhere away whether they're away from war, whether they're in yemen syria or sudan in yemen or syria or sudan or afghanistan. might to afghanistan. they might want to come somewhere girls could come somewhere where girls could go school and have an go to school and have an education. then might want education. then they might want to where they can to go somewhere where they can actually use their skills as doctors or engineers or teachers to come and help. we've got a government that has failed to get a grip on the backlog of people arriving through . but

people arriving through. but what about border control? >> joe? because no, you have no emily, you have thousands of people crossing the channel. you have thousands, if not hundreds of thousands coming into the european is european continent. that is totally on so many totally unsustainable on so many levels. so we could talk about the backlog, but that isn't the solution to border control , the backlog, but that isn't the solution to border control, is it? >> well, the backlog is huge and it has continued to grow for years and years and years. and the government has not funded the government has not funded the staff. it has not dealt with it. and 84% of the people who are waiting over two years are waiting for over two years are waiting for over two years are then allowed to stay. >> but i think that might be because we have a softer system than other european countries. we do because have far we do because they have far lower rates. don't lower acceptance rates. don't they know? >> they do. and i think that there's definitely a debate to be had in terms of legislation associated modern slavery. be had in terms of legislation asso

part of the discussion. absolutely but i do think there's a debate in terms of we operate in very globalised operate in a very globalised political economy . so i think political economy. so i think there is a debate to be had in terms of how can we at least help countries to be more self—sufficient in the developing world. how do we do you think would migration? >> economic migration, >> i think economic migration, because i'm sure it would because i'm not sure it would because i'm not sure it would because people coming because you have people coming from relative . lee strong from india relative. lee strong economy , of course there is economy yes, of course there is massive poverty massive issues of poverty in india, you know, from other india, but you know, from other countries, even if they were to develop up even a huge amount in a in a decade, let's say, i still do think there would be economic migration to the west. >> i think it could reduce the numbers. and i think and there will always be economic migration. >> you know, we live on an island, but the statue of liberty has a sign bring me your poon liberty has a sign bring me your poor, your huddled masses. people have gone to america for centuries and achieve centuries to try and achieve a better life. people have come here fleeing the that we talk about earlier, fleeing tyranny

and despotism around the world, fleeing wars and of course , fleeing wars and of course, people will always be on the move as any of us sitting here and many people watching and listening might be, you know, whether you're going to australia, because actually you don't want to work in the health service, but and emily, i went to australia, i'd be going, i'd be going legally. >> well then you and emily, the one that one one point i'd make is that one thing can do is strengthen thing we can do is strengthen international cooperation when it dismantling people, it comes to dismantling people, smuggling different countries. >> that would be very >> i think that would be a very important step. and you do need a level of international cooperation front and cooperation on that front and create as as create legal routes and as as raqib know, work raqib says, you know, work together, you can't keep together, but you can't keep coming out with rhetoric that is meaningless. >> well, mean, be fairto >> well, i mean, to be fair to suella braverman, rwanda suella braverman, the rwanda policy, policy policy, the rwanda policy was thwarted part by the echr. thwarted in part by the echr. >> it's yes, was ruling from >> it's yes, it was ruling from the from the they grounded the first grounded the first first flight, grounded the first flight. we found it very difficult but the difficult legally. but the problem is, is that countries have a right to border control if certain conventions , if certain conventions, treaties, international law are

preventing countries from having that basic right to control their borders, then something needs needs change. it's needs to needs to change. it's all well and good for people who are liberal minded to be very liberal when it comes to immigration. oh, yes. you know, we should help the world people move . but i'm we should help the world people move. but i'm sorry, we should help the world people move . but i'm sorry, but it's move. but i'm sorry, but it's totally unsustainable. and i'll just that very totally just make that very it's totally unsustainable. and the numbers that and i'll just that we're seeing and i'll just make the point because the asylum system oversaturate asylum system is so oversaturate with dominated with primarily male dominated irregular migration, i would make the point that women and girls very serious risk of girls at very serious risk of sexual violence in their homelands are being by the wayside. >> and that's not right. well we've got roots, we've got local roots, international cooperation. >> yes , i do believe that people >> yes, i do believe that people would still come by irregular means, even if there were more legal routes. >> and, of course, there may be many millions of people who would prefer to in europe would prefer to live in europe than we have to than elsewhere. and we have to be, you know , we have to look at be, you know, we have to look at sustainable solutions to this. >> a lot of people who have left their home and everything they've known would probably their home and everything they'vii known would probably their home and everything they'vii worked would probably their home and everything they'vii worked in would probably their home and everything they'vii worked in theyuld probably their home and everything

they'vii worked in the middle bably rather i worked in the middle east for a long time. i know people who have left everything behind in syria, everything you know, their future, their hopes, their dreams, their houses , their dreams, their houses, their dreams, their houses, their savings, their this is this is why we have to combat illegal migration so that people with genuine claims of asylum can get priority . can get priority. >> at the moment, it's a first come, first serve situation. now, lots of you have been getting in touch on the topics we've been discuss thing. so let's look on inheritance let's have a look on inheritance tax. yes were discussing tax. yes we were discussing inheritance at the top of inheritance tax at the top of the because it seems that the show because it seems that maybe coming at maybe this could be coming at tory to try and woo tory conference to try and woo back some voters, a scrapping of the linda says. my mother, the tax, linda says. my mother, a pensioner, hasn't a low income pensioner, hasn't paid years after paid tax for years after the last triple lock increase, she is lowest tax band. is now in the lowest tax band. maybe the tories realised maybe the tories have realised it's a of give with one it's a matter of give with one hand take back the hand and take back with the other. yes, and this seems be other. yes, and this seems to be a confusion between the a bit of confusion between the chancellor rishi sunak on chancellor and rishi sunak on whether tax whether we can afford any tax cuts at all. jacqui says if we can afford to pay out billions every year in foreign aid, especially countries can

especially to countries who can afford to put a rocket the afford to put a rocket on the moon, talking moon, i think you're talking about then our about india there, then our government work for us and government who work for us and are by taxpayer , can are paid by the taxpayer, can afford give us some serious afford to give us some serious tax cuts. well, this is the thing. everyone has a view on what government and what the government should and should prioritising should not be prioritising when it cuts and of it comes to tax cuts and of course, public spending. i would say that government say that the government has wasted our wasted a huge amount of our money and it does make me, me and others feel rather disgruntled how tax disgruntled about how much tax everyone forced to pay. but everyone is forced to pay. but there you go. keep your views coming are watching, coming in. you are watching, listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. we've got lots more coming up. let you more coming up. i'll let you know what that is. but first, let's a look at the weather let's have a look at the weather with let's have a look at the weather witilooks things are heating >> looks like things are heating up. boilers, proud sponsors up. boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello there . i'm greg >> hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. we have showers along with spells of rain over the next few days turning very windy as we head towards the middle of the week and low pressure generally dominates next days.

dominates the next few days. however, we could see however, monday we could see some weather for time some drier weather for a time before rain wind before further rain and wind moves in, particularly as we head towards wednesday . and it's head towards wednesday. and it's a picture for parts of a rainy picture for parts of scotland, northern ireland, western parts of england and wales evening . that wales this evening. that all sweeping and eastwards as sweeping north and eastwards as we move through into the early hours following hours with showers following a windy evening and night to come with across the north and with gales across the north and the the wind starting the west. but the wind starting to by the end of the night to ease by the end of the night despite clear skies, despite it, clear skies, temperatures staying despite it, clear skies, te|doubleires staying despite it, clear skies, te|doubleires acrossstaying despite it, clear skies, te|doubleires across the ng in double figures across the whole of the uk. so a bit of a cloudy start across scotland, northern ireland with showery outbreaks of rain here. first thing monday morning, brighter skies with some sunshine for england and wales, a england and wales, but a scattering showers. these scattering of showers. these will continue the day as will continue through the day as the bubbles lots the cloud bubbles up, but lots of places dry . sunny of places staying dry. sunny spells and showers for northern ireland scotland well. ireland and scotland as well. still breezy, but the winds lighter compared sunday lighter compared to sunday evening temperatures lifting evening and temperatures lifting into the low 20s . but generally into the low 20s. but generally 19 to 23 celsius into tuesday , 19 to 23 celsius into tuesday, we'll see a dry start to the

day. some mist and fog patches, but then rain sweeps in from the west pushing eastwards as we head through the day ahead of some very wet and windy weather for met office for wednesday. met office warnings already force for warnings already in force for this. temperatures average this. temperatures near average i >> -- >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers proud sponsors up. boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news as. thanks, greg for the forecast. >> so still to come on the show, the prime minister is reportedly planning to make students study maths and english until the age of is that a good idea? let of 18. is that a good idea? let me know what you think. i'm emily carver. this is gb

britain's news . britain's news. channel >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. i am on your tv, online and digital radio. so rishi sunak is reportedly planning quite a radical shake up of a—levels, including forcing students to study maths and english until they're 18 years old. so the prime minister is considering a new style of british baccalaureate. sounds quite nice , requiring students to study more subjects after the age of 16. and that's in a bid to drive up standards . the shadow up standards. the shadow education secretary, however , education secretary, however, bridget phillipson, has criticised the plans. of course she has describing them the she has describing them as the latest gimmick latest undeliverable gimmick from dying conservative from a dying conservative government. strong stuff. so let's speak to dr. tony breslin, who is the former chair of

examiners and author of the bubble schools and the long road from lockdown. john, thank you for joining me. tony what's your opinion on this? does a british baccalaureate sound like a good alternative to a—levels? >> well, first of all, this is this is old wine in new bottles . these kind of changes have been proposed substantially on four occasions under various governments since the mid 1980s. >> and it's well known that our a—level system , you know, a—level system, you know, students reach a very high standard, but it's six curriculum on the other hand, our students who are not quite ready to study a—level get often get given a diminished vocational curriculum that doesn't perform its purpose ehhen >> so, ehhen >> so , look, reform would be >> so, look, reform would be good. >> so, look, reform would be good . but four times before good. but four times before we've been down this road and each time the project has

founded and it's founded essentially on the determination to hold on to what many regard as the gold standard of a—level. >> and we may have to give a bit there. we want kind of reform there. we want kind of reform the prime minister is talking about. so why why is there this view that the a—level is the gold standard ? gold standard? >> i guess quite simply because it's been around a long time , it's been around a long time, middle class parents in particular are very familiar with it. the universities are familiar with it. and in a sense, all other reforms work around it. >> um, and, and, and therefore, you know, reports have come out in the past and prime ministers from both sides have said the following day we will protect a—levels because as soon as it becomes evident that if you want to broaden the sixth form curriculum, that means doing something with a—levels , there's something with a—levels, there's a jump to the defence and on many occasions the education secretaries of the day have been overruled . of course, on this overruled. of course, on this occasion it's the prime minister

making the suggestion, but i have to say his broadening it amounts to just people doing more maths and more english, especially if that's a—level students. you know, most a—level students. you know, most a—level students have reached the required standard in in that area in a way, he's he's solving area in a way, he's he's solving a problem that probably doesn't exist yet, but there is a broader problem about the breadth that our students study and the range that they study beyond 16. >> who's doing this well? is germany a good example? because as you can go down, you continue on with many more academic subjects, don't you? you have more of a broad range of subjects . subjects. >> yes. and i think the distinction with germany and some other countries in mainland europe, i mean, virtually all students study more than our students study more than our students post 16, often , by the students post 16, often, by the way, they don't necessarily

study it. >> the same depth because they regard that as the job of the universities, which is a discussion we need to have. but critically, in the german example and in some of the other nonh example and in some of the other north european examples, they give real value to vocational learning , to engineering and so learning, to engineering and so forth. we have a vocational curriculum that young people tend to fall onto because they haven't succeeded academically . haven't succeeded academically. >> and this opens up a status divide between the academic and the vocation . the vocation. >> and if we keep thinking that the vocational is for the less able , we will never get the able, we will never get the engineers and so forth that we need to drive our economy forward. so there's a much bigger debate here that's such an important it's a good thing that yeah, that's such an important point about the status of these different directions that students can go in and vocational subjects just being a fallback option for those who aren't deemed good enough for university city or for academic

subjects. >> we need to change that mindset . and you hear it from mindset. and you hear it from mps all the time that we need to change this. we need to make it more desirable for children to go on to do these vocational studies. but it does seem to be that there is still that that seeming disadvantage. thank seeming disadvantage. but thank you time. you very much for your time. talk to breslin there, who talk to tony breslin there, who is a former chair of examiners at also author of is a former chair of examiners at bubble also author of is a former chair of examiners at bubble schools author of is a former chair of examiners at bubble schools and|or of is a former chair of examiners at bubble schools and the »f is a former chair of examiners at bubble schools and the long the bubble schools and the long road from lockdown. so let's go to panel this raqeeb. you to my panel on this raqeeb. you told in the break that you're told me in the break that you're sixth form college offered a baccalaureate option . was it baccalaureate option. was it taken up by many students? >> it's taken up by some. and i think that as a concept, i don't think that as a concept, i don't think the british baccalaureate is necessarily a bad idea. if within maths and english there's more of a vocational dimension to learning those subjects . now, to learning those subjects. now, matt doctor tony was talking about engineering, for example. maybe you can learn functions within the maths curriculum which would help you move in terms of building towards a career in those spheres. i think that what we really need to talk

aboutis that what we really need to talk about is funding. now if you have a british baccalaureate and there's expansion of there's an expansion of subjects, you're going to subjects, then you're going to need teachers to need more teachers to teach those subjects and going to those subjects and it's going to be teaching hours involved be more teaching hours involved in that. so if the concept isn't be more teaching hours involved in that.by» if the concept isn't be more teaching hours involved in that.by proper concept isn't be more teaching hours involved in that.by proper funding isn't be more teaching hours involved in that.by proper funding ,;n't be more teaching hours involved in that.by proper funding , then backed by proper funding, then it not function very well . it may not function very well. >> also, it's all well and good saying everyone should saying that everyone should study to 18. study maths and english to 18. but if you're no good at it? >> i think we're back to unicorns and lollipops, aren't we? as tony said, you know, this is the fourth time round that a government's come up with this idea. would require idea. it would require huge change, all in change, not least of all in university i think university admissions. i think the point that made the other point that he made that, emily, many that, as you said, emily, many people made for and people have made for years and years is that we have years and years, is that we have got to accord a plumber the same respect that we accord a pr person or a publisher for. and i think, you know, tony blair did quite a lot of harm in a way by by upping quite a lot of harm in a way by by upping the number of people to go to university, which is great for their individual attainment, but actually it created a need. so if you take nursing, for instance, making nursing, for instance, making nursing a degree qualification ,

nursing a degree qualification, you automatically just got rid of what used to be the state enrolled nurse level . enrolled nurse level. >> i'm really i wasn't expecting that from you, joe. >> why? but but the other i completely agree with you. >> but i completely agree. >> but i completely agree. >> you've we've always had this snobbery towards , you know, snobbery towards, you know, vocational studies and things and it hasn't got any better. yeah. but i think the other thing is , is the shortage of thing is, is the shortage of maths teachers, which is absolutely grotesque . the cuts absolutely grotesque. the cuts to post 16 funding which have been going on for years and actually we've got schools falling down around children's ears, wouldn't it be quite a goodidea ears, wouldn't it be quite a good idea to concentrate on getting some things right before you start coming up with another idea? and this again, is not going to happen before the next election. >> to be fair , a lot of things >> to be fair, a lot of things have gone downwards in the past few years, but apart recently literacy numeracy our literacy and numeracy in our schools improved. so we are schools has improved. so we are making gains in in national comparisons in the in the league table. but we are losing to

teachers . i think table. but we are losing to teachers. i think you're absolutely right. when it comes to vocational education, we need to vocational education, we need to value it far more. and also you can make more money. they are plumber their hands on industry anyway. you're watching listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. let me know what you think about that. do you think a british baccalaureate is the way to go? do we need to study english and maths to the age of 18? it might make people more ready for the workplace, but we've got lots more today's show. workplace, but we've got lots moryprime today's show. workplace, but we've got lots moryprime minister today's show. workplace, but we've got lots moryprime minister unveiledshow. the prime minister unveiled his pragmatic green pragmatic new approach to green policies. rishi policies. this week. but rishi sunak insists the uk will still hit net zero by 2050. is he going far enough? should the 2050 scrapped 2050 target be scrapped altogether? we'll get altogether? either? we'll get stuck but stuck into that discussion. but first, with aaron first, it's the news with aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> it's 232. i'm aaron armstrong, the gb newsroom. rishi sunak is planning to cut inheritance tax and could announce the policy before next month's party conference. but the sunday times the the sunday times claims the prime planning to prime minister's planning to

reduce the rates in march before scrapping it altogether with his team referring to it as the most hated tax in britain. inheritance tax is levied at 40, but the vast majority of couples can pass on £1 million to their children without paying a penny. it's one of a number of long term policies that be term policies that may be implemented before next implemented before the next general the tories general election as the tories attempt to overturn labour's lead polls . grant shapps lead in the polls. grant shapps . the former transport secretary says it would be irresponsible to keep on ploughing money into the hs2 plans. he added it would be crazy not to reassess this whether the rail project remains viable. the sunday telegraph is claiming the potential cost of the high speed rail scheme has increased by £8 billion, which the chancellor, jeremy hunt says is out of control. all the government have refused to deny that the birmingham to manchester leg is to be curtailed. it's understood the planned line to east midlands parkway is also under threat . parkway is also under threat. suella braverman says she supports armed police officers

handing in their firearms and stepping back from duties after a colleague was charged with the murder of chris kaba. he was unarmed and died when he was shot in his car in south london last year. the officer accused of his murder appeared in court on thursday. the home secretary has ordered a review of armed policing. gb news gb news understands up to 100 counter—terrorism officers have decided to step away from their armed duties and a remnant of our early solar system, which scientists hope can shed light on how the planets formed and how life on earth began is due to land in the us later. nasa have collected the sample from the bennu asteroid after a seven year long mission. it will be the largest asteroid sample brought back to earth and is estimated to be 4.5 billion years old. fragments of it will be studied by scientists from the university of manchester and the university of manchester and the natural history museum . the natural history museum. that's it for the moment. i'll be back with more at the top of the next hour or you can get

more now on our website. gbnews.com . gbnews.com. >> thanks, aaron. now following the prime minister's announcement last week that he's going to take a pragmatic approach to green policies , he approach to green policies, he has actually well, some people would say that he needs to go a little bit further and actually scrap the net zero target by 2050. some say it is undemocratic , that it has led to undemocratic, that it has led to the creation of committees like the creation of committees like the climate change committee that have power to essentially decide how the government sticks to this policy. and they have they do actually have a lot of influence on the government. and i'm not always sure that the government has actually been honest enough about the cost of net zero. we had not too long ago philip hammond, when he was chancellor, predicted that it chancellor, he predicted that it might that might cost estimated that it might cost estimated that it might cost estimated that it might cost 1 trillion to £2 trillion and the impact on people's daily lives. really. should we scrap the net zero

target altogether or is that absolute madness ? let's speak to absolute madness? let's speak to senior lecturer in sustainable construction and climate change, john grant. john, i think i can guess what you're going to say, but i'll give you the floor. do you think that it is that is the right thing to do to stick to a 2050 target on net zero? it seems like the discussion is oven seems like the discussion is over. there seems to be a political consensus across the board that we must stick to this target despite what the cost may or may not be. >> well , the issue is that what >> well, the issue is that what we have is a scientific consensus that the politicians are agreeing with. >> so 2050 has been given as the absolute latest time that we should stop damaging the planet's eco system, that we should become benign to our ecosystem by our our economy and our activities and how we do that should be we should do that

as cheaply as possible. no arguments from me, but there is no political debate here about whether or not we should do this . from my point of view, i'm seeing things happen a little bit quicker than what we anticipated. >> so i'd actually like that to happen earlier than 2050. >> but but let's get this straight. zero. this whole zero carbon thing is a simple ification of that concept. it isn't because before you start coming up with china and india, which is always the way they produce much more carbon than we do, and absolutely they do no arguments. again, that's an absolute truth. >> but but an element of that zero carbon to transition is and this is my background is the resilience to the change that is already in the pipe. >> if we don't go down this route, it is the poor ist. it is the most vulnerable , it is the the most vulnerable, it is the people that are listening and watching at the moment will be.

>> do you, john, do you worry that it's a it's a bit arbitrary, so reaching net zero, it's now legally binding on the government to reach this goal . government to reach this goal. do they have to therefore pursue various policy tactics? we've just seen rishi sunak delay the ban on petrol and diesel cars . ban on petrol and diesel cars. presumably he thinks that he can do that whilst also reaching the 2050 net zero target. but do you actually think that it is achievable and the government is doing enough to reach it by 2050? you suggest that it should be brought forward? >> yes , i oh no be brought forward? >>yes,|oh no, be brought forward? >>yes,|ohno,|do be brought forward? >>yes,|oh no,idonot >> yes, i oh no, i do not believe that the government is doing enough and they are missing an opportunity. this is the really frustrating thing to me. so there have been sort of things that have happened that have required governments to get involved . i don't know the yeah, involved. i don't know the yeah, there you go. grenville terrible cladding, very flammable, replaced it hugely expensive to

do, right? it was , that was do, right? it was, that was a real challenge. now here we are doing something similar. i think you quoted between 1 and 2 trillion to do, to do this improvement. but here's the difference. it's that when can we improve this? the money going out of the pockets of the people who are paying and hopefully being supported by government, which is a key part of this because there's a massive capital investment required to achieve this. >> so, john, your invested john, it's been great to talk to you, but your line is just getting a little bit it sounds like you're a bit underwater, actually doesn't it? >> but thank john grant, >> but thank you. john grant, senior lecturer in sustainable construction change construction and climate change with to panel. with us. let's go to my panel. i think that the government wasn't honest when it signed us up to a legally binding target of net zero. i'm not saying we should necessarily scrap it , but i am necessarily scrap it, but i am saying is there needs to be saying is that there needs to be honesty because when talk to honesty because when you talk to people, make net zero. people, this will make net zero. achieving net zero will depend

on people making huge changes in their lives. and i'm not sure people quite understand the extent of it. >> and not just that. if you want people to make those behavioural changes, you need to provide them with social provide them with the social infrastructure to so. so for infrastructure to do so. so for example, you wanted to reduce example, if you wanted to reduce car the country, car ownership in the country, you significantly you need to significantly improve transportation you need to significantly imprcacross transportation you need to significantly imprc across the transportation you need to significantly imprc across the provinces. ion you need to significantly imprc across the provinces. the links across the provinces. the truth in urban metropolitan centres, those public transportation links may be there, but many of the countries in much of the country, they're on.andi in much of the country, they're on. and i think that when it comes to using cleaner electric vehicles, you need to have the social infrastructure in place for that, whether it's the, you know, the chargers and the ports in order to charge those electric vehicles, how you incentivise their purchase . so incentivise their purchase. so i think government okay, fine think the government okay, fine , those ambitious eco goals , have those ambitious eco goals , but need to have the , but you need to have the social infrastructure in place , but you need to have the socomplement:ture in place , but you need to have the socomplement those] place , but you need to have the socomplement those goals; , but you need to have the socomplement those goals well. to complement those goals well. >> do you worry about the cost ? >> do you worry about the cost? >> do you worry about the cost? >> what i worry about is this is the perfect example and it is coming down towards us across the world like a juggernaut with

no brakes. this is the worst example of short termism in government . nick clegg, when he government. nick clegg, when he was in coalition with david cameron , said wasn't going to cameron, said wasn't going to support nuclear power because it wouldn't come on stream until 2122. big mistake , huge mistake. 2122. big mistake, huge mistake. david cameron said , ditch the david cameron said, ditch the green crap. that's his quote, not mine. famously if we hadn't ditched it, we would now have wind turbines and solar power much more in bedded at much less cost because we would now be reaping the benefit from it. we've now got, as we've said throughout the program today, an election looming . rishi sunak is election looming. rishi sunak is a desperate man . he's latched on a desperate man. he's latched on to the small win in uxbridge and thinking that he can turn this in an anti green agenda. all he's doing is kicking it down the road. he hasn't really done very much, has he? >> i mean, delaying the ban on petrol and diesel to give people a little bit more time. but he's giving £500 million to tata steel for their green transition

to keep them afloat. >> so £5 million to tata steel, but not investing in local bus services, for instance, which actually outside metropolises are the biggest single need for pubuc are the biggest single need for public transport is bus services. but he also was completely disingenuous when he made that press conference in in the week. first of all, he should have announced that as a major policy change in parliament, not as a press conference. and secondly, he talked about he scrapped the tax on red meat. there's never been a proposal for a tax on red meat. he's scrapped. >> well, actually, these are proposals that have been put to government to be considered. but they are they are . they are they are. >> you can't scrap something if it hasn't. >> implemented, of course >> no implemented, of course not. to some. not. he has to get some. >> he talked rikki neave. >> he talked about rikki neave. >> he talked about rikki neave. >> give you on but he >> i'll give you on but he talked about seven. >> make the point here in >> i'd make the point here in terms of ulez, for example, there in terms of there are concerns in terms of expansion london. expansion into greater london. i think we understand and think we understand that. and i think we understand that. and i think the uxbridge think with the uxbridge and south by—election in south ruislip by—election in many in that constituency

many areas in that constituency are described them as semi—rural , where you do need to have a car to go ahead, you know, go with everyday life. so the point i'm making is that you can have an ambitious environmental policy, but you have to provide the the alternatives the public with the alternatives to also facilitate to for them. you also facilitate those behavioural realistic to have highly developed public transport in areas . sorry, transport in rural areas. sorry, it just you don't want to change those behaviours through financial coercion. you want to provide alternatives. >> and you m >> people. and you have to be honest know, ulez is >> people. and you have to be hon an know, ulez is >> people. and you have to be hon an attack know, ulez is >> people. and you have to be hon an attack on (now, ulez is >> people. and you have to be hon an attack on motorists,i is >> people. and you have to be hon an attack on motorists, it's not an attack on motorists, it's an attack on air pollution. a lot of these measures are about health. we've talked about migration. >> it's the policy makers themselves that mix up the climate themselves that mix up the cliralso, a house of >> also, there's a house of commons as well, commons library report as well, which when comes which showed that when it comes to the expansion into to the ulez expansion into greater london, it would have a minor positive impact on the health of london. it would also only affect 1 in 10 vehicles in. >> but, you know, it's not everybody, but i think you can you can have concerns over ulez and still care about environment. sunak into environment. sunak came into power as prime minister

promising to bring integrity and professionalism . he has now gone professionalism. he has now gone on this green. >> well, hang on, hang on. i think he's injecting a little bit of realism into the debate. i genuinely do . a lot of people i genuinely do. a lot of people are deeply concerned , of course, are deeply concerned, of course, about the cost of switching their boiler to a heat pump. but their boiler to a heat pump. but the cost changing their car , the cost of changing their car, the cost of changing their car, the cost of all of these air pollution tactics or climate change proposals, additional burdens on on their wallet when it comes to climate change. and they are concerned and they also look at how much carbon emissions we emit as a country and they think is it worth it? and i think that is absolutely right and proper to kick it down the can. >> i'm sorry, but even we get >> i'm sorry, but even if we get to zero tomorrow, what is to net zero tomorrow, what is that going do? that going to do? >> the climate >> we have got the climate houses are better insulated houses that are better insulated many these measures. many of these measures. >> okay. labour party say >> okay. the labour party say they're to insulate 19 they're going to insulate 19 million homes. i want to know the of that. i want to know the cost of that. i want to know the cost of that. i want to know the time span of that and how exactly achieve the time span of that and how exac and achieve the time span of that and how exac and how achieve the time span of that and how exac and how many achieve the time span of that and how exac and how many tradesmena that and how many tradesmen they're employ because they're going to employ because as i'm sorry, but it's very easy

in opposition to we're going in opposition to say we're going to this, this, this, to do this, this, this, this, this. without this. but then without any costings even the green costings at all, even the green party struggles to put a cost on net it's their only net zero when it's their only policy okay, lots more policy anyway. okay, lots more coming up today's show. that coming up on today's show. that one have the equalities one we have the equalities watchdog says should watchdog says schools should provide single sex toilets and changing rooms for pupils. should be left should gender politics be left outside we'll outside the classroom? we'll discuss that in just one moment. i'm carver. this is gb i'm emily carver. this is gb news, news .

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people's . channel people's. channel >> welcome back. this is gb news sunday with me, emily carver. i'm on your tv online and radio. now, the equalities watchdog has ruled schools will no longer be breaking the law if they refuse to refer to children by their preferred gender. so the equality and human rights commission guidance previously stated misgendering trans pupils would be discrimination . but now would be discrimination. but now the watchdog has removed that section from its guidance entirely . this is a very entirely. this is a very interesting development, actually, because this is the first time they've said this. so joining me now is diversity and inclusion jon inclusion facilitator katy jon went. katy what is your interpretation of this change in wording here? because essentially schools could now legally refuse is if a if a biological boy said they were a girl , biological boy said they were a girl, please, could you biological boy said they were a girl , please, could you call biological boy said they were a girl, please, could you call me this? even if the parents said, can you call my son by his preferred gender, preferred name , they could refuse ? , they could refuse? >> well, it's a kind of a

removal of kind of the proactive advice . advice. >> and it's not necessarily saying we should go the other way and do absolute denial. saying we should go the other way and do absolute denial . and way and do absolute denial. and it kind of removes some of what we might is the worst we might say is the worst excesses of unquote, questioning acceptance. go too acceptance. but does it go too far the other way? no, i think it a neutral it moves to us a neutral position. it allows schools to make their own decisions and not get up in have broken get caught up in have we broken the not? the equality law the law or not? the equality law still there still still remains. there are still gender reassignment as a protected category, is not protected category, which is not specified in law in terms of the actual age, but there are plenty of decent and humane and respectful ways a teacher or someone in a school can respect an individual pupil and actually completely ignore gender, for example, by referring them, example, by referring to them, by and not using by their name and not using pronouns at all, but to actually kind of complete ignore, for example, particularly example, a particularly a parental kind of social parental backed kind of social gender change in school would be ludicrous because not only would the parents be supporting it that most of their classmates, given generation and given the generation and inclusion that classmates are around, be supporting it.

around, they'd be supporting it. if teacher is the only one if the teacher is the only one kind of not supporting it, they're going to look foolish. kind of not supporting it, they kidgoing to look foolish. kind of not supporting it, they kidgoing �*playyk foolish. kind of not supporting it, they kid going �*play up oolish. kind of not supporting it, theykidgoing �*play up into h. kind of not supporting it, theykidgoing �*play up into class the kid could play up into class and refuse to answer and literally refuse to answer the question unless they are addressed particular way . addressed in a particular way. so to frustrate so it's going to frustrate education and it's going to frustrate classroom behaviour . i frustrate classroom behaviour. i think moves us back to a think it moves us back to a position of sense position of common sense potentially if that is acted upon. >> just very quickly, katie, you say you think schools should be able to decide an individual able to decide on an individual bafis able to decide on an individual basis treat out basis how they treat out children with gender dysphoria rather than government mandated ? >> 7 >> actually, i ? >> actually, i do. and in fact , >> actually, i do. and in fact, that's how prisons used to do it many years ago. and i had a lot of interaction with prisons before they actual before they had actual instructions told to instructions which told them to do particular way, which do it a particular way, which then people erred on one particular way out caution particular way out of caution and created a lot of situations. i think giving people a common sense ability to on what sense ability to err on what works best for the child, for education, in inclusion with parents gives them a greater freedom rather than you must do this or you mustn't do that. and

i think a degree of common sense in those kind of issues is a much better way of doing it. but i do absolutely agree with the freedom now that they actually have actually say, look, you have to actually say, look, you know, changing rooms and sports should sex should be biologically sex based. terms of like based. but in terms of like behaviour respect in the behaviour and respect in the classroom humanity classroom, that's about humanity and just creating an environment in which people want to learn. yeah i think it's extremely difficult because then you've also protect people who also got to protect people who do have critical views do have gender critical views and they may not wish to use a child's preferred pronoun , so child's preferred pronoun, so they may be quite a lot of there may be some conflict in schools , i imagine. but we allow we allow teachers of religion to kind of have different religious beliefs to different religious pupils at the same thing. >> that's true. that's true. i'm sorry. going have to sorry. we're going to have to cut short there. but cut cut it short there. but thank you very much indeed for your katy, went your time. katy, john went always to you. always lovely to talk to you. diversity and inclusion facilitator. now we've got some emails. lots you have been emails. lots of you have been getting touch topics. getting in touch on the topics. joanne echr says we are joanne on the echr says we are a sovereign state, therefore it's

up to comes up to the uk to say who comes into the country or not. and if the echr stops us doing anything related to illegal immigration, then it be scrapped. then it should be scrapped. and sally tax cuts sally on migration and tax cuts says if we weren't paying out £8 million in housing, then million a day in housing, then we could afford to abolish the inheritance tax and fund tax cuts. maybe caroline on gender ideology. if the government banned gender lessons and banned the gender lessons and made schools actually teach subjects instead preach subjects instead of preach ideology, should be ideology, the teachers should be able teach to a good standard able to teach to a good standard of maths and english by 16 on. yes, good point. keep your views coming in. please do because that's it from me today. sadly i wanted to come to my panel just on that last one, but it's an interesting one. the social transitioning it transitioning at schools. it seems these don't know seems these schools don't know what but nana, what they're doing, but nana, what's up on your show? what's coming up on your show? well be well ironically, we will be covering of the gender covering a bit of the gender stuff, we'll be covering the stuff, but we'll be covering the liberal democrats think liberal democrats who think think period's actually think that the period's actually only apply. >> apply to just >> well, don't apply to just women, also to men, which is women, but also to men, which is a bit of a nonsense, really. but we'll be going through that. plus rejoin march, which

plus the rejoin march, which a lot of people saying that people who brexit, a lot of who voted for brexit, a lot of people have changed their minds. i many, but there i don't know many, but there seems statistics out seems to be some statistics out there towards that. there that point towards that. but think that's wishful but i think that's wishful thinking. but of course we'll look migrant situation look at the migrant situation too. all of that coming, that too. so all of that coming, that sounds brilliant. >> forward it. >> i'm looking forward to it. and sneak peeks on and any any sneak peeks on guests, i have a mystery couple coming in a my yes for my outside they've got some juicy gossip. fantastic well, that's it from me today. thank you to my wonderful panel, joe phillips, wilson , thank phillips, vicky wilson, thank you much your for you very much for your input for the last hours. that's it the last two hours. that's it from today. but stay tuned from me today. but stay tuned for nana. she'll be with in for nana. she'll be with you in just one moment. >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar the proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there . i'm greg >> hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . we have showers along the spells of rain over the next few days turning very windy as we head towards the middle of the week and low pressure generally

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