gb news. >> hello . good afternoon. it's >> hello. good afternoon. it's 3:00. this is gb news on tv, onune 3:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours, me, my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion . this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's we'll be course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing. times debating, discussing. at times we will disagree. but no one will cancelled. so joining me will be cancelled. so joining me in the next hour broadcast writer and journalist danny kelly, also a former labour party adviser, matthew laterza. in a few moments time, we'll be going head to head in a clash of minds former editor of minds with the former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards, and former party mep and also former brexit party mep ben . but before get ben habib. but before we get started, get your started, let's get your latest news with aaron news headlines with aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> it's 3:00. good afternoon to you, aaron. armstrong here in the gb newsroom downing street has sought to play down reports the prime minister is drawing up

plans to slash inheritance tax. the sunday times claims rishi sunakis the sunday times claims rishi sunak is considered reducing the current rate in the budget in march, despite a warning from the chancellor, jeremy hunt. he would headroom tax would have no headroom for tax cuts. death duty is charged at 40, the vast majority of 40, but the vast majority of estates fall below the threshold , so married couples can pass on £1 million to their kids without being taxed. political commentator peter spencer says it only benefits the wealthy . it only benefits the wealthy. >> it is a tax cut, which is good news for the rich and has no impact on people who are not particularly not so well—heeled. i mean, what does it mean to people who are renting, for example? what does it mean to people have got little got people who have got a little got a little place that isn't worth that much? absolutely. zero. meanwhile is meanwhile the economy is manifestly for cash. manifestly strapped for cash. and you cut that tax, then and if you cut that tax, then what? then then how does that impact on, say , cutting income impact on, say, cutting income tax, would which would be tax, which would which would be good for news everybody there isn't that much money to splash the cash to splash around if you

give it to the rich, you can't give it to the rich, you can't give it to the rich, you can't give it to the others. >> former transport secretary grant shapps says it would be irresponsible to keep ploughing money into hs2. the government's failed to deny reports claiming the manchester leg is set to be scrapped. the east midlands parkway line is also under threat. the sunday telegraph claims the potential cost of the scheme has increased by £8 billion. the cuts could be made before the tory party conference, which is in manchester next month . suella manchester next month. suella braverman has ordered a review of armed policing after dozens of armed policing after dozens of officers stepped back from firearm duties . the protesters, firearm duties. the protesters, in response to a colleague being charged with the murder of chris kaba. charged with the murder of chris kaba . he was unarmed and died kaba. he was unarmed and died when he was in his car in when he was shot in his car in south last the home south london last year. the home secretary says armed police have to make split second decisions and mustn't fear ending up in the dock for carrying their the dock for carrying out their dufies. the dock for carrying out their duties . the liberal democrats duties. the liberal democrats are calling on the government to triple tax for social media firms to fund a mental health

worker for all schools in england. the proposal would see the digital services levy raised from 2 to 6% of company revenues . earlier, deputy leader daisy cooper told the party conference mental health has dropped off the political radar and she has introduced a wider package of proposals , including regular proposals, including regular check ups on the nhs. for those at risk . an asteroid sample , at risk. an asteroid sample, which could help us understand the existence of life on earth, is due to land in the us shortly. the osiris—rex spacecraft is bringing home samples from the asteroid bennu, which scientists believe will shed light on the formation of the planets and the origin of water on earth. the capsule is due to land in utah around 4:00 this afternoon. it's the culmination of a seven year mission. dr. amy simon, a senior scientist at nasa, says it will allow to us look back billions of years into the past. >> the asteroids are the leftover remnants from solar system formation , so they're system formation, so they're a pristine example of planetary building blocks and studying

them helps us to understand how them helps us to understand how the earth and all the planets in our solar system were formed. and so we'll be taking those samples at what samples and looking at what they're made of, looking the they're made of, looking at the different sizes of particles. but we'll looking for carbon but we'll be looking for carbon beanng but we'll be looking for carbon bearing minerals . we'll be bearing minerals. we'll be looking organics, amino looking for organics, amino acids, the building blocks of life, evidence that life, as well as evidence that there was hydration in the past on bennu's surface. because all of things are the sort of of these things are the sort of materials that were delivered to earth that helped life flourish here. >> people have braved the chilly nonh >> people have braved the chilly north sea to celebrate the autumn equinox . participants autumn equinox. participants stripped down to take part in the annual north—east skinny dip in druridge bay in northumberland . fortunately, for northumberland. fortunately, for at least 50% of them, our pictures were taken in the early morning . the official start of morning. the official start of autumn is when the sun sets directly above the equator and day and night are equal length. it marks the end of the summer months and sadly ushers in the shorter days but very tastefully taken pictures. i think you'd agree this is gb news on tv, on

digital radio and on your smart speaker to just say play gb news now it's back to nana . now it's back to nana. >> thank you, aaron. right before we get stuck into debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my head to heads former editor of the labourlist peter edwards, and also former brexit party mep ben habib . gb. now here's what else habib. gb. now here's what else is coming up in the next hour. seven years on from the brexit referendum and yet remoaners are still at it with the protests in london this weekend, an underwhelming turnout from campaigners who are demanding the uk return to the eu . but the uk return to the eu. but with sir keir starmer, flip flopping over the issue, could this all prove to be a problem for the labour party? the liberal democrats conference is getting underway this weekend in bournemouth, but sadly ed, davey and the party are still up to their old tricks, passing a motion only yesterday stating that periods are not just a woman's issue. seriously and

finally rishi sunak act this week has set out his plans to delay or reverse our path to net zero. but environmentalists have already pledged to fight the prime minister tooth and nail. but could reforming rishi hold strong? is he going far enough? home secretary suella braverman is off to the us this week to warn that the migrant crisis threatens our democratic legitimacy. but have french legitimacy. but have the french come solution which come up with a solution which could finally help stop the boats? we'll be looking into that in few moments time. that in a few moments time. that's up in this hour. that in a few moments time. thiever, up in this hour. that in a few moments time. thiever, me) in this hour. that in a few moments time. thiever, me what1is hour. that in a few moments time. thiever, me what you our. that in a few moments time. thiever, me what you think. as ever, tell me what you think. we'll out your emails at we'll read out your emails at gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. so seven years on from the brexit referendum , not from the brexit referendum, not much has happened. let me be honest . but apparently thousands honest. but apparently thousands gathered yesterday in central london. but i might add, there were a few other marches happening at the same time, so we can't all put them down to being remainers. but there was a sea of blue and yellow sweeping

across parliament square as protesters national protesters at the national rejoin it rejoin march deemed brexit it a huge mistake as they campaigned to rejoin the european union. seriously. however it was all part of an anti—climax affair. an estimated crowd of only 5000 compared to previous numbers of 50,000, not to mention plenty of protesters seemed pretty confused as to why they wanted to rejoin the eu in the first place. as gb news ben leo discovered at the other countries seem to have recovered a lot better from it than we have. >> germany's in recession though, and we're not so how is that true ? that true? >> i'm not an economist. >> i'm not an economist. >> what else do you miss about. the oh no . oh no. the oh no. oh no. >> i like the i think he said he liked to live in spain as well because he can live in spain, so. 50. >> so. >> right. let's get started. let's welcome again to my head to head is former editor of the labourlist peter edwards and

also brexit former party mep ben habib. right so ben and peter, what you think? surely what do you think? surely it's time on. or is the time we move on. or is the prospect of sir keir starmer as prime minister filling these people with optimism? ben, i'll start with you. >> is definitely time >> well, it is definitely time we on. the notion that we move on. and the notion that we move on. and the notion that we join the eu is daft as we will join the eu is daft as brushes. the hurdle in order for the united kingdom to join the eu would be would require this government to convince us that we should join the euro because that would be a prerequisite, a currency which has demonstrably exacerbated damage right across member states of the european union. whenever they hit a problem in the eu , instead of problem in the eu, instead of being able to deflate their currencies, which is the least painful way to deal with an internal economic issue, they have to deflate their economies, which results in mass unemployment. the euro is a basket case, so on that measure, they will never convince the british people on the measure that we're somehow failing in brexit. they will fail to

convince the british people because brexit is nothing other than the united kingdom taking its place alongside the other 165 nations out of 193in the world who are not a member of the eu. you brexit in itself cannot fail. the only thing that cannot fail. the only thing that can fail is government not doing the right thing by the british people and that, i can concede readily , has been abused by readily, has been abused by successive governments over the last 25 years. but that's not an issue of brexit. that's an issue of failed domestic governance and then the other thing, and i'm going to say this unashamedly, anyone who wishes to rejoin the eu now is anti british and is anti democratic. and i'm not saying they're anti democratic because we've got a mandate from 2016. i'm saying that anti—british and anti—democratic because actually anti —democratic because actually by anti—democratic because actually by the eu's own requirements, you have to concede pooled sovereignty. if you if you are a member, you have to join up. you have to sign up to their

permanent structured cooperation, their form of the military. you have to buy in to their border force. you their new border force. you effectively buy to in an effectively have to buy to in an eu state that is inherently and fundamentally anti—british and anti democracy . so it'll never anti democracy. so it'll never happen better. >> peter edwards well, i think ben's answer really shows up. >> the problem with this, you know, i didn't go on the demo and if there was another demo, i probably wouldn't go on it. >> but call people anti—democratic and anti—british just because they have a different view to different point of view to oneself needlessly oneself seems needlessly personal and unkind. >> you know, i think it's a disaster for economically. nigel farage used the word disaster more broadly. >> i took that to mean a betrayal of what he perceived as a benefits coming from it. i think ben's answer shows why we can't move on, but i think we'd all like to because there's kind of a general fatigue among these people want to go back in their vision of moving on is going back in. well, that's not going to happen, isn't it? i mean,

keir starmer said, we're not going keir starmer said, we're not goiiwhoever. the tory leader >> whoever. the tory leader won't us back even the won't take us back in even the lib dems, who are basically a fringe party europhiles , fringe party of europhiles, haven't another haven't offered another referendum and it's their set piece conference kicking off now, but none of the parties offering a referendum and none offering a referendum and none of us wanting that. >> that's more to do with the fear because as we know, they know that there a large know that there is a large portion of the population who don't be the eu don't want to be within the eu and is the labour and actually that is the labour party's base is more well, the actual original concept of a labour party . their base was labour party. their base was more a very working class base and the red wall actually voted specifically for the conservatives because they didn't want to be because they wanted to be out of the eu. >> well, the roots of the labour party the by several party predate the eu by several decades, they're they're decades, but they're they're their base are very working class people who don't part class people who don't want part of the membership within the eu. >> keir starmer to be >> so keir starmer has to be very careful. >> well, i'd be really wary of using terms like base and working class. grew up in working class. i grew up in essex where there's lot essex where there's a lot of people who well, that's why

people who well, no, that's why it's labour. it's called labour. >> labour as in a very >> so it's labour as in a very working class base. that's not i don't think that's i'm don't think that's anything. i'm not i'm not suggesting, i'm not suggesting derogatory, suggesting it's derogatory, but it's what it means is really loose. >> it's impossible to find. i grew up essex where a lot of grew up in essex where a lot of not the just let me finish one answer. >> p- p— >> well, no, i'm just saying it's just not islington it's just not the islington elite. that's all right. >> carry okay, so i grew up >> carry on. okay, so i grew up in essex where lots of people were born in poor backgrounds, in essex where lots of people wer

that we're somehow going to rejoin stealth when rejoin the eu by stealth when the of it happening. now the chances of it happening. now is zero i'm the chances the chances of it happening. now is it ro i'm the chances the chances of it happening. now is it happening the chances the chances of it happening. now is it happening in the chances the chances of it happening. now is it happening in mye chances the chances of it happening. now is it happening in my lifetime s of it happening in my lifetime are very, very limited. >> but labour party have >> but the labour party have said talked about said that they've talked about getting 17 year olds to said that they've talked about getti because 17 year olds to said that they've talked about getti because i year olds to said that they've talked about getti because i suspectjs to said that they've talked about getti because i suspect they're vote because i suspect they're more likely to labour. and more likely to vote labour. and they've talked about they've also talked about getting people who live within the eu who are british, originally british citizens to also that i think is also vote. and that i think is about million people. also vote. and that i think is abolabourillion people. also vote. and that i think is abo labour have people. also vote. and that i think is abo labour have ruled e. also vote. and that i think is abolabour have ruled out >> labour have ruled out rejoining, they've ruled out an economic union, they've rejoining, they've ruled out an economic a union, they've rejoining, they've ruled out an economic a customs jnion, they've rejoining, they've ruled out an economic a customs union they've rejoining, they've ruled out an economic a customs union and 've ruled out a customs union and they've ruled out free movement i >> -- >> do you believe any of that? >> do you believe any of that? >> ben well, i think labour can wish whatever wish i do wish whatever they wish and i do think starmer is a think unashamedly starmer is a europhile he's british europhile before he's british and i'm afraid divisive as it might sound, you cannot wish to be part of the eu and claim to represent the united kingdom or believe in the united kingdom. they are diametrically opposed positions . positions. >> if you join the eu, people would argue that they're our closest neighbour. >> so therefore we should have a very close trading relationship with them. >> oh, delighted to have a

trading with them. >> oh, delighted to have a tradthe with them. >> oh, delighted to have a tradthe minute with them. >> oh, delighted to have a tradthe minute with tto m. >> oh, delighted to have a tradthe minute with tto give but the minute we've got to give up our ability to make our own regulations and laws and policies british people policies for the british people and we have to take what brussels produces , which by the brussels produces, which by the way, always for the way, isn't always for the benefit member states benefit of its member states either . more often not, either. more often than not, what brussels produces for what brussels produces is for the brussels and the the benefit of brussels and the eu. often it comes up with policies that are anti its member states because it is. it's not accountable to its member states. it's not accountable to the people of europe. it does it needs to europe. it does what it needs to do promote its political do to promote its political ideology . do to promote its political ideology. this is do to promote its political ideology . this is a do to promote its political ideology. this is a deeply damaging institution. >> some people might say that when within eu and when we were within the eu and look, not somebody who look, i'm not somebody who i don't myself don't like the eu myself personally as sort of personally as a sort of organisation. i feel it's a sort of a blob there is no of a blob that there is no accountable to, as you said, but some argue that we some people might argue that we were off we were were better off when we were within eu and the way we within the eu and the way we were controlled seems to be better than our own politicians said, well, let's said, well, our. well, let's just mean, let's just just look. i mean, let's just look at the facts. >> said that, you know, >> they said that, you know, first of all, none of doom first of all, none of the doom

stories that we'd stories came true, that we'd lose jobs. lose a million jobs. >> brexit, given them the reins. >> they've made a mess of it. >> they've made a mess of it. >> they've made a mess of it. >> they the government is undoubtedly made a mess of brexit. i mean, the problem is parliament brexit. i mean, the problem is parliameand i'm afraid rishi starmer and i'm afraid rishi sunak, who claims to be a brexiteer, are europhiles. they are into timidity are either cowed into timidity by the eu or they wish to be part of the eu. so what they fail to do is take back control as boris johnson and others promised they would, and make national policy unashamedly for the benefit of british people and until they get that message, until our parliamentarians get that message , until they stop that message, until they stop believing in themselves and believing in themselves and believing in themselves and believing in this country and doing the right thing by these people, they will continue to mismatch us. but that's got nothing to do with brexit. it's a failure at the top to grasp the opportunities that brexit offers , but they're at the helm. offers, but they're at the helm. >> so keir starmer will be at the helm. so what you just said there will never be realised. no. >> and we will. we will go on in

this doom loop economic cycle down the sort of loo that we seem to be in high taxation. this is a european model, by the way. high taxation, high borrowing , way. high taxation, high borrowing, big way. high taxation, high borrowing , big state borrowing, big state intervention , government telling intervention, government telling you how to live , micromanaging you how to live, micromanaging your cultural direction on rampant immigration. all of this is eu derived and we're practising all of we're continuing to practise >> all of that come from america and a lot of it from the tory party themselves who appear to be their own worst enemy. if i'm honest. okay, peter, so do you trust that sir keir starmer, because said it's unlikely because you said it's unlikely that we're going to go back into the you don't think he's the eu, you don't think he's going that? you don't the eu, you don't think he's goingthat that? you don't the eu, you don't think he's goingthat he'sit? you don't the eu, you don't think he's goingthat he's ruledj don't the eu, you don't think he's goingthat he's ruled out? 't think that he's ruled out? >> it's not. i'm predicting it's unlikely. >> he's he's ruled out things out. one thing and he's out. he said one thing and he's known as flip flop. >> well, all politicians get accused but he is accused of that. but but he is pretty all politicians get pretty bad. all politicians get accused but there's accused of that. but there's no way running to prime way anyone running to be prime minister say anything other minister can say anything other than staying out of the than we're staying out of the eu. and they that if lucky eu. and they know that if lucky enough be elected, they'd be

enough to be elected, they'd be toast. reneged on that toast. if they reneged on that promise. accept keir promise. 101% accept keir starmer we're not starmer when he says we're not going the eu i think going back in the eu and i think it's probably the interests it's probably in the interests of the fringe parties have of the fringe parties who have zero the house of zero seats in the house of commons and control of zero councils around the united kingdom say there's a big kingdom to say there's a big conspiracy to take us back in there, isn't it? doesn't exist. and ben's very intelligent and he has a lot of statistics at his fingertips. but the suggestion that one can have empathy of empathy for the values of britain empathy with the britain or empathy with the values of the but not both values of the eu, but not both is little mccarthyite. is a little bit mccarthyite. it's empathy. it's not an empathy. >> it's constitutional reality >> it's a constitutional reality that to pool your that you have to pool your sovereignty as declared by ursula von der leyen , none other ursula von der leyen, none other than ursula von der leyen , that than ursula von der leyen, that you to do that. and by the you have to do that. and by the way, policy is going to way, labour's policy is going to be not to diverge from the eu. keir starmer came and said keir starmer came out and said that last last week, that last year, last last week, that last year, last last week, that possible that is the worst possible approach to the eu to effectively be follow its coattails , not to do right by coattails, not to do right by the united kingdom, fail to deliver the benefits that brexit offers which are manifest old

and just follow the eu. that's worse in my opinion, peter, than rejoining the eu. by the way, you, peter 10s, if you've got. >> well, ben's proving my point. >> well, ben's proving my point. >> smaller parties rely for oxygen on saying there's a big conspiracy. i didn't say there's a conspiracy, he declared it last week. >> do deny? he said it? >> do you deny? he said it? >> do you deny? he said it? >> tell when smaller parties are trying to whip up hysteria. when they interrupt you and don't let you finish an answer. >> did he say last week or not that he does not want to diverge from the eu? keir starmer gave a talk, i think in montreal where he talked about some regulatory alignment. >> whether you do cooperation on things like veterinary sciences and very technical measures. i'm not sure that he said unequivocally , lee, i just said, unequivocally, lee, i just said, you shouldn't interrupt people because you disagree with them. >> no, but when you're not telling the truth, i think it is you're obliged to either declare the position one way or the other. >> if you're calling people

liars and not offering, but you're not. >> that's what he said in montreal. >> ben, let him finish. >> ben, let him finish. >> three times in 60s in interrupting. don't imply people are liars unless you can evidence i can't evidence it. four times better. hang on. sorry i've lost track. >> ask him the question again and i'll give you a chance. did answer. >> did keir starmer last week in montreal declare or not that ideally he would like the united kingdom to not diverge from the eu? >> so ben , you shouldn't imply >> so ben, you shouldn't imply that people are liars . no, no, that people are liars. no, no, he said we should have some kind of harmony on technical measures with the eu. >> so is that a yes or a no? » i— >> so is that a yes or a no? >> i don't think could be answered in a single word. right >> well, i think that's keir starmer all over. thank you very much. right. you're with me. i'm nana akua. gb news on nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and digital radio. tv, online and on digital radio. get thoughts in views tv, online and on digital radio. get gbnews.com. in views tv, online and on digital radio. get gbnews.com. do views tv, online and on digital radio. get gbnews.com. do you/iews tv, online and on digital radio. get gbnews.com. do you trust sir out gbnews.com. do you trust sir keir starmer? do you think he's to going rejoin? does he want to do he will? suella do you think he will? suella braverman her braverman is ramping up her efforts the migration efforts to tackle the migration crisis. the home secretary has questioned whether international

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touch with your messages earlier with regard to sir keir starmer . robert got in touch, said why not get nana to do more shows on the weekdays? sorry you said she lifts no disrespect lifts my spirits. no disrespect to the others. thank you. robert sorry. , shirley says sorry. no, no, shirley says benhabib clearly asked the same question over and over again about keir starmer . so let's about sir keir starmer. so let's see what sally said . sally said see what sally said. sally said . sally said peter didn't answer the question. i think he probably he feels he did. peter, you did answer the question, didn't you? >> try answer your >> always try and answer your question? people may not like the answers. >> question was quite >> the question was quite straightforward. keir straightforward. did keir starmer in montreal last week say did not want the uk say that he did not want the uk to diverge from the eu ? and the to diverge from the eu? and the answer was slightly convoluted and difficult to follow. but i mean, i can confirm unequivocally and it's all over the press. i've just looked it up.the the press. i've just looked it up. the guardian keir starmer says he does not want to diverge from eu. the independent labour does not want to diverge from eu rules , says starmer. moment

rules, says keir starmer. moment keir starmer is caught on camera saying does not want to saying labour does not want to diverge. was daily mail diverge. that was daily mail youtube. there's a clip of it. financial times tories seize on starmer comments on not wanting to diverge from eu rules . it's to diverge from eu rules. it's all over . to diverge from eu rules. it's all over. it's all over google. so i mean someone who comes on tell vision to commentate on labour policies as a former laboun labour policies as a former labour, no, i'm just saying ought to be aware. no no. ought to be aware of what what starmer says. >> question. he can answer it straightforwardly. he didn't. you've provided us with the answer, but alison, miriam has been touch. she said been in touch. she said hi. nobody asking question. nobody is asking the question. what exactly does keir starmer want brexit? want to unpick from brexit? does he he can cherry pick what he think he can cherry pick what he think he can cherry pick what he wants? would the eu just roll over give him what he wants over and give him what he wants and what would it cost the united kingdom cash rules united kingdom in cash and rules taking? it's true, taking? please ask. it's true, isn't it? the eu are now going to go, oh, come in, give to go, oh, come in, we'll give you same deal that you had you the same deal that you had before. we love you. they know that could do quite well that we could do quite well without them and they want our money. we money. that's what i think. we keep your thoughts coming. but

next liberal democrat next up, the liberal democrat party's has kicked party's conference has kicked off this week. party's conference has kicked off yesterday this week. party's conference has kicked off yesterday partythis week. party's conference has kicked off yesterday party members and yesterday party members voted in favour passing voted in favour of passing a motion stated menstruation motion which stated menstruation is not just a women's issue. i repeat, is not just repeat, menstruation is not just a issue . the motion was a women's issue. the motion was voted to as part of a wider policy on period poverty but forward. it was put forward by young liberal democrats and the local branch from london. but really the motion should come as no surprise as the liberal democrats and their leader, ed davey, have a history on the issue, he lbc few months issue, he told lbc a few months ago. women clearly can ago. women quite clearly can have penis , but at an upcoming have a penis, but at an upcoming election, we will have the power to put a stop to some of this nonsense. as mps who believe women have a penis said to women have a penis are said to be shamed on a website . be named shamed on a website. former now former swimmer and now campaigner davis is the campaigner sharon davis is the first for the first ambassador for the campaign will an army campaign, which will see an army of volunteers in an apolitical new grassroots campaign aim to meet with all mps and parliamentary candidates at hustings events and on their doorsteps to ask each of them, the question what is a woman? is

this the right way to go? i'm going with you. peter going to start with you. peter edwards. do we need to know what they think about what a woman is? >> while slightly mystified by the conference motion the lib dem conference motion that you just described in terms of naming and shaming, i mean, i think we can try and agree think we can all try and agree or disagree, disagree each or disagree, disagree with each other civil way. but mps of other in a civil way. but mps of all get tonnes of abuse all parties get tonnes of abuse already in a very occasionally that escalates into something a lot more sinister and criminal. i think i'm completely up for lobbying and mps deserve to be pressurised and held accountable. naming and shaming . i'm a bit nervous about why would somebody be ashamed if they're answering a question? >> i mean, look, if somebody working interest as a working in my interest as a woman and i have a certain view of what a woman is, which is a biological fact and somebody is giving me some of gender giving me some sort of gender rainbow whatever rainbow or whatever they're calling a unicorn. may calling it a unicorn. i may think differently where think differently about where the will my the policies will leave my rights woman. so i think rights as a woman. so i think it's a good it's a very legitimate question to ask them what a woman is. what they think a woman is. >> it's legitimate. yeah.

>> yeah, it's legitimate. yeah. to ask any policy not about naming to ask any policy not about narit's| to ask any policy not about narit's what you called it. >> it's what you called it. >> it's what you called it. >> well, i think the article called it naming and shaming, not i think it's not me. so i think it's completely legitimate to ask any policy and policy question of an mp and then can for them or then we can vote for them or against them, depending if we like response. think like their response. i think naming we naming and shaming when we already that mps get a vast already know that mps get a vast amount abuse and some threats amount of abuse and some threats as that's the as well. i'm not sure that's the right go about their right way to go about their policies. sure. yeah, yeah, yeah. >> women's rights. so whether you want to call naming you want to call it naming or shaming, you know, shaming, which i, you know, i think if you can't say what a woman is, it's a bit it's a bit you know, you're going to lose my you're to tell my vote if you're going to tell me that a man can be a woman and a woman can be man, i would a woman can be a man, i would beg differ. as would most beg to differ. as would most women. but what about the period beg to differ. as would most womof. but what about the period beg to differ. as would most wom of things hat about the period beg to differ. as would most wom of things then? out the period beg to differ. as would most wom of things then? what e period beg to differ. as would most wom of things then? what is 3eriod side of things then? what is your on that? because can your view on that? because can a man menstruate because they're saying is not just man menstruate because they're siwomen's is not just man menstruate because they're siwomen's issue? is not just a women's issue? >> well, i was i was mystified by this. i mean, poverty is an issue for everyone. but if you're born male, you can't have issue for everyone. but if y(period. rn male, you can't have issue for everyone. but if y(period. so �*nale, you can't have issue for everyone. but if y(period. so iale, you can't have issue for everyone. but if y(period. so i mean,u can't have issue for everyone. but if y(period. so i mean, i'm n't have issue for everyone. but if y(period. so i mean, i'm baffled�* a period. so i mean, i'm baffled by what the lib dems have said. so beth mead so there are two

>> beth mead so there are two issues.i >> beth mead so there are two issues. i think at play here. the first is obvious issue the first is the obvious issue about the inability to identify what and a woman and about the inability to identify whathas and a woman and about the inability to identify whathas serious a woman and about the inability to identify whathas serious implications and that has serious implications for as pointed out. for women. as you pointed out. but something more but there's something more pernicious underlying this debate and i think it's part of an overall attack on western liberal democracies attacking not just the united kingdom, but the us member states of the european union, germany, france, italy, everyone where land marriage is being undermined . marriage is being undermined. and in order to discombobulate it, our our , our populace and it, our our, our populace and it's fine for people to self—identify as jane if they want to self—identify as jane. but that doesn't jim doesn't become jane or it doesn't become female just because he wants to be called jane and it's absolutely crucial that our politicians understand that and that there are two sexes and only two sexes as men and women, some people may suffer from gender dysphoria and they can,

by all means self—identify as whatever they wish to self—identify as. but we must not allow language to be abused and hollowed out, because out of that will come serious policy mistakes such as, for example, nicola sturgeon nicola sturgeon bryson , isla bryson. and when we bryson, isla bryson. and when we talk about, you know, often i hear remainer say the united kingdom's discredited itself on the international stage over brexit. what do you think our enemies in russia, china and other parts of the world looking at us having a debate over men can be women or not? what do they think of us? it's undermining the united kingdom. >> but sadly we are doing it to ourselves. if only there was some weird conspiracy that's going i think maybe going on. i think maybe underneath it there might be. but if you look but unfortunately, if you look at servants and the at the civil servants and the stuff going on there, stuff that's going on there, you'll find that we appear to be embedding well, embedding it ourselves. well, listen, joining listen, stay tuned. joining me today, and of course, today, ben habib and of course, peter this is gb news peter edwards. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. next up, suella is ramping suella braverman is ramping up her to tackle the

her efforts to tackle the migration home migration crisis. the home secretary has questioned whether international conventions on migration the echr, are migration like the echr, are still fit for purpose. is she right? we'll be going head to head on that. but first, let's get with tatiana get an update with tatiana sanchez. >> nana. thank you. 333 this is the latest rishi sunak is planning to cut in inheritance tax and could announce the policy before next month's party conference. >> the sunday times claims the prime minister is planning to reduce the rate march before scrapping it altogether with his team referring to it as the most hated tax in britain in heritance tax is levied at 40. >> but the vast majority of couples can pass on £1 million to their children without paying a penny. >> it's one of a number of long term policies that may be implemented before the next general election. as the tories attempt to overturn labour's lead polls . former lead in the polls. former transport secretary grant shapps

says it would be irresponsible to keep ploughing money into hs2 plans. he added it would be crazy not to reassess whether the full project remains viable. the sunday telegraph claims the potential cost of the high speed rail scheme has increased by £8 billion, which chancellor jeremy hunt says is out of control . the hunt says is out of control. the government has refused to deny the birmingham to manchester leg is to be curtailed with the planned line to east midlands parkway also under threat . parkway also under threat. suella braverman says she supports armed officers handing in their firearms and stepping back from duties after a colleague was charged with the murder of chris kaba . the 24 murder of chris kaba. the 24 year old was unarmed , armed and year old was unarmed, armed and died when he was shot in his car in south london last september. the home secretary has ordered a review of armed policing . gb review of armed policing. gb news understands as many as 100 counter—terrorism officers have decided to step away from armed dufies decided to step away from armed duties that in the past. >> and it's my face, isn't it? and a remnant of our early solar

system, which scientists believe can shed light on how the planets formed and life on earth began, is due to land in the us later. >> nasa has collected the sample from the bennu asteroid after a seven year long mission. it'll be the largest of its kind, brought back to earth and is estimated to be 4.5 billion years old. fragments will be studied by scientists from the university of manchester and the natural history museum . you can natural history museum. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com. now it's back to nana. >> still to come , suella >> still to come, suella braverman is ramping up her efforts to tackle the migration crisis . the efforts to tackle the migration crisis. the home efforts to tackle the migration crisis . the home secretary has crisis. the home secretary has questioned whether international conventions like the echr are still fit for purpose. what do you think? but next, rishi sunak has outlined plans to delay the uk's climate targets , but uk's climate targets, but watering down the government's net zero priorities. but has he

gone far enough? we'll be going head to head in a few moments time .

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eu. lots of you have been getting touch with your getting in touch with your views, says keir starmer views, john says keir starmer wants take back into the wants to take us back into the eu. you only look at his eu. you only have to look at his shadow cabinet. he would hand shadow cabinet. he he would hand over more of brexit british taxpayers money on top of the divorce money says divorce bill. money john says unless we reform in at the unless we get reform in at the next general election , this next general election, this country has lost. i just can't believe stupid believe how stupid the government and parliament have been. they're pretty stupid , been. they're pretty stupid, aren't they? i'm sorry, miriam says. asking the says. nobody is asking the question. what exactly does sir keir starmer want to unpick from brexit? think he can brexit? does he think he can cherry pick what he wants ? would cherry pick what he wants? would the eu just roll over and give him what he wants and would him what he wants and what would it kingdom in it cost the united kingdom in cash? all taking and cash? and we're all taking and andy says to keir starmer is a wolf in sheep's clothing and cannot be trusted . mhm. he's mr cannot be trusted. mhm. he's mr flip flop. he's a flip flop, is a wolf with flip flops on actually. but moving on in this it's actually. but moving on in this wsfime actually. but moving on in this it's time now. what do you think 7 it's time now. what do you think ? is this the week the tide has turned for rishi sunak? because on wednesday he took the biggest

gamble of his premiership. that's arguably the biggest gamble. i think the biggest gamble. i think the biggest gamble was probably unseating bofis gamble was probably unseating boris and deciding that he would then try and push to be prime minister. but he outlined plans to delay some the uk's to delay some of the uk's climate targets, watering down the zero the government's net zero priorities. ban on the sale priorities. the ban on the sale of new cars with combustion engines has been pushed back from 2030 to 2035. in line with the eu, our reliance on gas boilers is set to continue to , boilers is set to continue to, as sunak weakened plans to phase out the installation of them . he out the installation of them. he also announced that the uk will no longer require home owners and landlords to meet energy efficiency targets, which was a very stupid plan because then he would have lost a load of landlords people would landlords and more people would be homes. but yet, be looking for homes. but yet, despite prime despite all that, the prime minister remains confident that the uk will hit our zero the uk will hit our net zero target by with many of target by 2050. with many of these targets enshrined target by 2050. with many of th

former brexit party mep, and also peter ben habib on also peter edwards. ben habib on starting with you. >> it's the first half >> well, it's the first half sensible decision i've seen. rishi sunak make very sensible from political perspective from a political perspective because it puts clear water between labour and the and the conservative party over net zero, which is obviously a lesson they learned from uxbndge lesson they learned from uxbridge , you know, the uxbridge, you know, the by—election there, which they won because of sadiq khan wanting to impose taxes effectively on the working and middle classes, very anti labour policy. but i say it's only half sensible from a governance perspective because actually there are regulations in place already and policies in place by government which are going to more or less deliver the extinction of internal combustion engines by 2030 and oil fired boilers anyway. and the reason i say that is because manufacturers and wholesalers of both those items are going to have to start paying penalties if they don't hit certain

targets of sales of heat exchangers or electric vehicles by certain dates. and the cost of those penalties is vast . it's of those penalties is vast. it's £5,000 per heat exchanger not sold. that should have been sold and £15,000 per electric vehicle that should have been sold and not sold . that cost will be not sold. that cost will be added to the cost of oil fired gas boilers and internal combustion engine cars and push up the cost of everything. and if rishi sunak was genuinely wishing to bring inflation down, what he should have done was also rolled back on those two policies. as far as boilers and cars are concerned. if he wants to take the pressure off the economy, he wants to take pressure off the consumer and the poor working in middle classes who ultimately pay the bill for net zero. he has to take away those regulations , not take away those regulations, not just kick the date from 2030 to 2035. someone said yesterday,

rishi sunak policy was a bit like saying i'm going to punch you in the face, but i'm to going do it in 2035, not 2030. peter edwards i think rishi sunakis peter edwards i think rishi sunak is a bit confused because part of his pitch has been after the chaos of the previous prime ministers. >> i'm all about the long term invest in science and maths and make britain have friendly relations outside the other states. you know what they call grown up government. in a slightly patronising way. so that's term . yeah. after that's long term. yeah. after the by—election there the uxbridge by—election there seems to be a very short term reaction. of course i understand all politicians are governed by reaction. of course i understand all polls,ians are governed by reaction. of course i understand all polls, but are governed by reaction. of course i understand all polls, but they're'erned by reaction. of course i understand all polls, but they're'erned tin the polls, but they're behind in the polls, but they're behind in the the polls the polls, although the polls can as a short term can change. but as a short term reaction where ulez was a factor, i mean ulez was introduced by a tory miracle. bofis introduced by a tory miracle. boris johnson. but was boris johnson. but ulez was obviously in this was obviously a factor in this was the expansion of yeah, i think a lot of people will probably agree with the internal, the inner most inner london ulez because most people good people there's a very good transport network. people there's a very good trarbutrt network. people there's a very good trarbut as1etwork. people there's a very good trarbut as1etw> but as you go outside london, that change. that does change. >> yeah, and i understand that that does change. >> yeand and i understand that that does change. >> yeand ifd i understand that that does change. >> ye and if yournderstand that that does change. >> yeand if you haven'tnd that that does change. >> yeand if you haven't beenat that does change. >> ye and if you haven't been to point and if you haven't been to uxbndge point and if you haven't been to uxbridge myself, but so, but my point is rishi seems point is rishi sunak seems confused because he's got this

colossal is colossal poll deficit which is trying so he's trying to turn around so he's had policy change basically had this policy change basically , he but then his whole pitch more generally for the year or so has been prime minister was about i'm all about tough long term decisions and this where term decisions and this is where he's u—turning on a long term decision. as for net zero itself and that much longer term target of 2050, we've got the of i think 2050, we've got the starting point right. that is enshrined in law by parliament. so we can argue about. but the default position is it stays and whoever is power would have whoever is in power would have to enough votes in house of to get enough votes in house of commons to change the law. and i suspect that reason it's not suspect for that reason it's not going there'll be going to happen. there'll be tweaks you've had this tweaks like you've had this week. a row week. there'll be a big row about it. there are so many contributors to net zero. there'll changes that. there'll be changes within that. i target stay i suspect the target will stay regardless of in regardless of who's in government, but some people might it's actually a might say that it's actually a sensible lot of sensible move because a lot of people, british people were people, the british people were saying afford this. saying we can't afford this. >> you know, can't afford >> you know, like i can't afford an car. 44 grand. i'm an electric car. 44 grand. i'm not going that. you know, not to going do that. you know, and there's not even the infrastructure is not there. if

they want to push it, they need to put this in there. there's no infrastructure. there's not enough electricity grid enough electricity on the grid itself able to, you know, itself to be able to, you know, meet their vision anyway. some people would that he was people would argue that he was right listen british public. >> well, i don't think he has. i mean, public support for mean, there's public support for net zero policies, although to be fair, it's you know, it's something like 40, 30. so it's fairly narrow. and again, polls change, but we've got to be clear talking about. clear what we're talking about. net zero covers so many different things boilers different things from boilers to cars public transport to cfcs. >> so we're specifically then if we to be specific, we if we want to be specific, we're talking about the first move, which was his current. the newest that he's done, newest thing that he's done, which pushing the, you which is pushing back the, you know, extinction basically know, the extinction basically of and petrol cars to of new diesel and petrol cars to 2035 in line with the eu. so that's the policy that we're looking at. and we're saying that this the first in the that this is the first in the armour this net zero policy. armour of this net zero policy. and do we think this is a good move? >> well, i just don't think it is a in the armour because i mean, the default position is net zero is enshrined in law and there's tonnes of different

drivers but drivers within that. but a government have to get government would have to get elected the law. i elected and change the law. i can't see happening. and can't see that's happening. and on by the way, i on ulez briefly, by the way, i think that's obviously within the of local mayor the hand of a local mayor currently, khan, the currently, sadiq khan, the problem that wasn't about currently, sadiq khan, the probletarget that wasn't about currently, sadiq khan, the probletarget foriat wasn't about currently, sadiq khan, the probletarget for 20 nasn't about currently, sadiq khan, the probletarget for 20 or;n't about currently, sadiq khan, the probletarget for 20 or 30 about currently, sadiq khan, the probletarget for 20 or 30 years: some target for 20 or 30 years time. problem was the time. the problem was about the affordability . for people affordability. now for people scrapping their cars, particularly small businesses who rely on them for work, like taxi drivers . so that's why i taxi drivers. so that's why i think sadiq probably think sadiq khan's probably right increase the scrappage right to increase the scrappage scheme if you're taking scheme because if you're taking something he something too grand, if he increased scrappage scheme , increased the scrappage scheme, made generous. you're made it more generous. if you're taking that hits taking something away that hits a economically or a small firm economically or a household, to give them household, you need to give them some compensation. some kind of compensation. >> you can't get a car for two grand, electric one grand, not an electric one anyway. i mean, like giving somebody grand. that's like somebody two grand. that's like saying £0.05 saying here, here's £0.05 towards meal. that's £3.50. towards that meal. that's £3.50. you mean? got you know what i mean? you've got to not really to stop. that's not really realistic especially if realistic is it? especially if that's means for making that's your means for making money. have money. so people who have to have vehicles, you know, and their businesses within london, but they're outside london, that kills off lot of people's kills off a lot of people's business and a lot of people's profits. have buy a new profits. they have to buy a new

car pay 12. what's your car or pay 12. what's your evidence you says kills off? >> what's your evidence for that? >> what kills off what? sorry, what do you mean? >> saying the scrappage >> you're saying the scrappage scheme amended in london will scheme as amended in london will kill off small businesses? well, a have a lot of small businesses have been a lot of small businesses have beethat's my evidence. i mean, >> that's my evidence. i mean, if if you've been watching if you if you've been watching any the you have any of the news, as you have been watching. >> the news. yeah, >> i do watch the news. yeah, i can confirm that as well. >> talking about it from the together declaration, talking about of people coming to about a lot of people coming to him saying that this is not working them. about working for them. what about these people destroying the cameras that cameras who are saying that this isn't too isn't working, it's too expensive, small expensive, it's destroying small businesses? that's my evidence. >> you shouldn't >> i mean, well, you shouldn't break law you shouldn't >> i mean, well, you shouldn't break cameras. you shouldn't destroy cameras. >> agreeing with that. >> i'm not agreeing with that. you asked what evidence you asked me what the evidence is, and i provided. >> not mean, actually >> that's not i mean, actually what we're seeing. no, what we're seeing. no, no, that's not that's a reaction. >> reaction is evidence to >> the reaction is evidence to the fact that don't the fact that people don't want it. this is the first the fact that people don't want it. is this is the first the fact that people don't want it. is the this is the first the fact that people don't want it. is the beginning:he first the fact that people don't want it. is the beginning of first the fact that people don't want it. is the beginning of thet this is the beginning of the people pushing back democratically and the politicians us. >> us. >> and rishi sunak said it himself. hadn't himself. they hadn't been truthful cost of net truthful about the cost of net zero. politicians zero. the politicians recognising do not get recognising that you do not get to bankrupting to net zero by bankrupting the country reality has

country and economic reality has eventually against eventually abutted against political ideology. and let's hope economic wins hope the economic reality wins because otherwise this country is never going to get out of the economic doom loop which it's economic doom loop in which it's now stuck . now stuck. >> well, a lot of people have joined into the doom and joined into the doom loop and joined into the doom loop and joined the net zero joined into the net zero ideology. but, you know, is it joined into the net zero ide(right but, you know, is it joined into the net zero ide(right thing?ou know, is it joined into the net zero ide(right thing? are ;now, is it joined into the net zero ide(right thing? are we v, is it joined into the net zero ide(right thing? are we going the right thing? are we going the right thing? are we going the your emails the right way? keep your emails and coming views and messages coming in gb views gbnews.com. up gbnews.com. it's just coming up to 49 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua now. suella braverman is ramp up her efforts to is set to ramp up her efforts to tackle the migration with the speech week. she speech in america this week. she is set to warn during her visit that governments failing to tackle illegal migration risk losing their democratic legitimacy . so in comments ahead legitimacy. so in comments ahead of the trip , beth mead has also of the trip, beth mead has also questioned whether key international conventions governing the movement of people are fit for purpose. now, this comes as the government is so far failing to solve the current migrant crisis at the channel, with migrants continuing to flood in from france. and what about this unique idea from the french authorities are being forced to block rivers and

waterways to prevent people smugglers using them for taxi boats to support migrants across the so they're using the channel? so they're using all little boys, not all these little boys, not little boys as in people as if small boys in the water. no as in river boys. so those and they've got we can show you the image again. and they are these little sort of floatable things, floating floating floating devices, floating devices we and devices. there we go. and they're using those to stop these boats from from crossing. so are we beginning to be more innovative and actually slow the crisis down and is suella braverman right? is the migrant crisis threatening our democratic ? who did i democratic legitimacy? who did i ask before? did i ask peter first? peter is she threatening our democratic legitimacy ? our democratic legitimacy? >> well, i feel like >> well, sometimes i feel like i'm different i'm living in a different reality braverman . reality to suella braverman. when you use the phrase in your intro she's not intro ramping up, she's not ramping up anything. she's giving a speech saying she's angry about something, which is what she often does. >> and this phrase, are you questioning my scripting? >> i'm a little bit i'm afraid if i were you, i'd come to answer question because answer the question because i think answering answer the question because i thinquestion. answering the question.

>> by picking holes >> no, no, no. by picking holes in the script and the questioning, picking holes questioning, i'm picking holes in braverman. asked questioning, i'm picking holes in quite braverman. asked questioning, i'm picking holes in quite straightforward asked you quite straightforward question. what she's question. so is what she's saying our saying threatening our democratic legitimacy? is she right to say that the crisis is threatening our democratic legitimacy? >> no, i she is 100% >> no, i think she is 100% wrong. and i think suella braverman more to braverman has done more to undermine legitimacy. braverman has done more to ulooknine legitimacy. braverman has done more to ulook back legitimacy. braverman has done more to ulook back at legitimacy. braverman has done more to ulook back at her legitimacy. braverman has done more to ulook back at her history, itimacy. braverman has done more to ulook back at her history, yourcy. i look back at her history, you know , the thing about rwanda for know, the thing about rwanda for persisting with basically an illegal policy with zero flights and zero people, i think and then but telling the public you're going to do it when you can't. i think that undermines democracy a lot more. i think sending illegal the rwanda policy. >> did you say an illegal policy? >> it was blocked by a court? >> it was blocked by a court? >> well, no, but but i think it's the un. when you send people to rwanda for processing, i countries i mean, other countries do that. it's an illegal practise i mean, other countries do that. it's the an illegal practise i mean, other countries do that. it's the british gal practise tried >> the british government tried to and it was blocked by court. >> well, it's going through again, but that's not undermining democracy. again, but that's not uncthat's ng democracy. again, but that's not uncthat's actually cracy. the >> that's actually holding the government account. that's government to account. that's the place the democratic process in place with being with the judicial system being brought into play. don't brought into play. i don't see how attack on

democracy. >> peter. i don't see it as an attack on democracy. i do believe it undermine democracy and stop interrupting. >> i do believe undermine democracy >> i do believe undermine der no, acy >> i do believe undermine derno,acy i'll >> i do believe undermine der no, acy i'll that >> i do believe undermine derno,acy i'll that bit. >> no, no, i'll do that bit. i do believe undermines democracy. >> no, no, i'll do that bit. i dcyou ieve undermines democracy. >> no, no, i'll do that bit. i dcyou ifve undermines democracy. >> no, no, i'll do that bit. i dcyou if suellazrmines democracy. >> no, no, i'll do that bit. i dcyou if suella braverman nocracy. >> no, no, i'll do that bit. i dcyou if suella braverman is :racy. if you if suella braverman is elected politician, a senior one tells the public, we're going to send to rwanda and send people to rwanda and they're not doing it and they can't it. and believe they can't do it. and i believe they won't to do it because won't be able to do it because of the court we've been describing. >> they might be to >> well, they might be able to do and she's she's do it, though. and she's she's determined do and there's do it, though. and she's she's determiireally do and there's do it, though. and she's she's determiireally wrong and there's do it, though. and she's she's determiireally wrong withthere's do it, though. and she's she's determiireally wrong with doing. nothing really wrong with doing it. so as long as they get over the hurdle. so it may well be done. think, though? done. what do you think, though? is the migrant crisis is she right? the migrant crisis is threatening. threatening? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> undermines what >> it undermines democracy. what is what is is a nation state? well, what is a nation state if it doesn't have borders is what we're telling is actually if telling people is actually if you apply for a visa from, i don't know, pakistan , wherever, don't know, pakistan, wherever, and you come here and we refuse you a visa, you won't be able to come. but if you get on a boat from france and try and do it illegally, well, we won't stop you. we're encouraging this. this is the breakdown of

borders. and if you don't have borders. and if you don't have borders , you cannot be a nation borders, you cannot be a nation state. and it comes back again to eu. the eu, i'm afraid, to the eu. the eu, i'm afraid, is fundamentally in the crosshairs of blame here because it practises something daft as brushes the schengen zone. brushes call the schengen zone. so when an illegal migrant lands in in italy, western balkans or greece , they are free to roam greece, they are free to roam across europe unchecked by law and order, by any border borders , is to come to calais and then make this illegal trip endangenng make this illegal trip endangering their own lives and undermining democracy and nation states. >> well, i mean, and if we do point to lampedusa, which had a 10,000 sort of influx of migrants all at once with only a small 6000 population, that would democratic would undermine democratic legitimacy , wouldn't it, shortly? >> well, memory, yeah, i think. >> but but that's but that's what she's saying. she's saying that risks that the migrant crisis risks threatening that. and do you not think she has a point? quickly, i'll you chance answer i'll give you a chance to answer then. to move on then. i've got to move on because so what i because i've got so from what i can remember, lampedusa, which i think migrants can remember, lampedusa, which i thi an migrants can remember, lampedusa, which i thi an island, migrants

can remember, lampedusa, which i thi an island, 10,000. migrants on an island, 10,000. >> yet there's no evidence that that's happen on the that's going to happen on the isle of wight. >> but she's >> well, but but but she's pointing out that that sort of situation could undermine democrats codswallop. >> that's >> what evidence is there that's going to happen? >> just given evidence. >> i've just given you evidence. i've evidence. i've just given you evidence. a huge bit of evidence. listen, stay loads more to come. stay tuned. loads more to come. this news tv, online this is gb news on tv, online and digital radio. thank and on digital radio. thank you to and the to ben habib and also the brilliant peter edwards, who will be with me for the next half do go half hour. so do not go anywhere. got anywhere. stay tuned. i've got my next. but first, my monologue next. but first, let's with your weather. >> looks like things heating >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. we have showers along the spells of rain over the next few days turning very windy as we head towards the middle of the week and low pressure generally dominates the next few days. however, monday we could see some for time some drier weather for a time before and wind before further rain and wind moves in, particularly we moves in, particularly as we head wednesday . and it's head towards wednesday. and it's a picture for parts of a rainy picture for parts of scotland, ireland, scotland, northern ireland, western of england and

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sunakis the sunday times claims rishi sunak is considered reducing the current rate in the budget in march, despite a warning by chancellor jeremy march, despite a warning by chancellorjeremy hunt . he would chancellorjeremy hunt. he would have no headroom for tax cuts. death duties charged at 40. but the vast majority of estates fall below the threshold , and so fall below the threshold, and so married couples can pass on £1 million to their kids without being taxed. political commentator peter spence says it only benefits the wealthy. it is a tax cut, which is good news for the rich and has no impact on people who are not not so well—heeled. >> i mean , what does it mean to >> i mean, what does it mean to people who are renting for example? what does it mean to people who have got a little got a little place isn't worth a little place that isn't worth that absolutely. that much? absolutely. zero. meanwhile economy meanwhile while the economy is manifestly strapped for cash and if you cut that tax, then what? then then how does that impact on, say, cutting income tax, which would which would be good news for everybody ? there isn't news for everybody? there isn't that much money to splash the cash, to splash around . if you

cash, to splash around. if you give it to the rich, you can't give it to the rich, you can't give it to the rich, you can't give it to the others . give it to the others. >> transport former transport secretary grant shapps says it would be irresponsible to keep ploughing money into hs2 plans. the government has failed to deny reports claiming the manchester lead is set to be scrapped at the east midlands parkway line is also under threat . the sunday telegraph threat. the sunday telegraph claims the potential cost of the high speed rail scheme has increased by £8 billion. the cuts could be made before the tory party conference in manchester next month . suella manchester next month. suella braverman has ordered a review of armed policing after dozens of armed policing after dozens of officers stepped back from firearm duties. the protest is in response to a colleague being charged with the murder of chris kaba, the 24 year old was unarmed and died when he was shot in his car in south london last september. shot in his car in south london last september . the shot in his car in south london last september. the home secretary says armed police have to make split second decisions and mustn't fear ending up in

the dock for carrying out their dufies. the dock for carrying out their duties . the liberal democrat pps duties. the liberal democrat pps are calling on the government to triple tax for social media firms to fund having a mental health worker for all schools in england. the proposal would see the digital services levy raised from 2 to 6% of company revenues as earlier deputy leader daisy cooper told her party conference that mental health has dropped off the political radar and she introduced a wider package of proposals, including regular check ups on the nhs. for those at risk , an asteroid sample , at risk, an asteroid sample, which could help us understand the existence of life on earth , the existence of life on earth, is about to streak down on the utah desert. it comes after a seven year mission. the osiris rex spacecraft is bringing home samples from the asteroid bennu , which scientists believe will shed light on the formation of the planets and the origin of water on earth . dr. amy simon, water on earth. dr. amy simon, a senior scientist at nasa, says it will allow us to look back billions years into the past.

>> the asteroid are the leftover remnants from solar system formation. so they are a pristine example of planetary building blocks and studying them helps us to understand how them helps us to understand how the earth and all the planets in our solar system were formed. and so we'll be taking those samples and looking at what they're of, looking at the they're made of, looking at the different the different sizes of the particles. looking particles. but we'll be looking for bearing minerals . for carbon bearing minerals. we'll be looking for organics, amino acids, the building blocks of life , as well as evidence of life, as well as evidence that there was hydration in the past on bennu's surface. because all of these things are the sort of were delivered of materials that were delivered to helped life to earth that helped life flourish here. >> finally , people have >> and finally, people have braved the chilly north sea to celebrate the autumn equinox . celebrate the autumn equinox. participants stripped down to take part in the annual north—east skinny dip in northumberland. the equinox is when the sun sits directly above the equator and day and night are equal length. the september equinox marks the end of the summer months and ushers in shorter days . this summer months and ushers in shorter days. this is gb news

across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to nana . news now it's back to nana. >> good afternoon. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua this nonsense just won't go away. i have to laugh, otherwise i'll cry. but the latest lunacy from the liberal democrats, a party who can't decide whether their logo is yellow or orange, have now said that menstruation is not just a woman's issue , and not just a woman's issue, and thatis not just a woman's issue, and that is also and that it also affects some trans and non binary people. well here's a man having a period . having a period. >> why stop . why is this thing >> why stop. why is this thing not hot ? i swear to god, if not hot? i swear to god, if anyone says welcoming a womanhood, i'm to . going

womanhood, i'm to. going >> you got to be joking. right okay. let's just get back to reality. first of all, a trans man is a biological woman. now, thatis man is a biological woman. now, that is my view. there is no such thing as a non—binary that's just been made up in the last few years when some people lost their minds and decided that biological sex had nothing to do with gender claptrap. i'm sorry, but i don't have to buy into this. biology matters when it comes to periods as they are. the very thing that occurs in puberty that define what a woman is and arguably the time when the female of the species becomes a woman. but i can't say i'm surprised given the confusion of their leader. ed davey here he is speaking to lbc i >> -- >> vast majority people will have the same gender as their biological sex, but a small number won't. >> so a woman can have a penis. >> so a woman can have a penis. >> well, quite clearly now he had a chance to redeem himself, but sadly he'd gone too far down the rabbit hole a couple of weeks ago.

>> a few weeks ago he did this interview on lbc. nick ferrari asked you, can a woman have a penis ? penis? >> w- t— penis? >> said, well, quite >> yes. you said, well, quite clearly, getting clearly, without getting into the of the issue, you the specifics of the issue, you said you were talking about small number of people . you small number of people. you faced a big backlash for those comments. have you had a rethink since you said that the position that i described in that programme is the one that i think is just factually true, namely that the vast majority of women feel that their gender is the same as their biological sex at birth . at birth. >> but it's just a fact that a few don't, a small number don't. and the law in our country has recognised that for the last 20 years and given them protection . and all i think is that the debate should focus on that, on the facts and, and we should be a bit more sympathetic and calm and, and compassion innit. to people. but this is not about that. >> this is about biology. i mean, they have literally eviscerated the very last shred of credibility. they had. who the hell is going to vote for

them? now, you could look at this favourably as though what they actually meant that men they actually meant was that men have with women's moods have to deal with women's moods and emotions during the period, which considerate and which would be considerate and very considerate thing to do. but , that's not the but sadly, that's not the sentiment. the liberal sentiment. and the liberal democrats motion democrats passed a motion stating periods aren't just democrats passed a motion stwomen's periods aren't just democrats passed a motion stwomen's issueyds aren't just democrats passed a motion stwomen's issue .is aren't just democrats passed a motion stwomen's issue . helen't just democrats passed a motion stwomen's issue . helen joyce, a women's issue. helen joyce, director of advocacy for sex matters, said past a notion that penods matters, said past a notion that periods aren't just a women's issue is a bleak moment for the liberal democrats. she went on to say language about health issues must be clear and factual. and the fact is that only girls and women can have periods. helen cross, the chair of the liberal democrat women , of the liberal democrat women, welcomed the inclusion of non—binary and trans people in this motion . well, wendy this motion. well, wendy chamberlain, one of the very few liberal democrat mps left and deputy leader of the scottish branch of the party, had this to say about inclusion on camilla tominey this morning. tominey show this morning. >> you removed women and >> have you removed women and changed it to people who

menstruate because why not say women have moved? >> we have not removed women at all. i know women and girls struggle with this issue, but i think we also have to make sure that we are inclusive and we make sure that we are considering everybody in our policy making . policy making. >> know many men who >> do you know many men who menstruate, , camilla? menstruate, though, camilla? >> we're talking about period poverty. i think it was a really strong, powerful, and i really wish been there. you wish she had been there. you should it back on to should look it back on to youtube the debate . youtube hear the debate. >> i think perhaps you should watch back . forget watch that back. forget diversity and inclusion . this is diversity and inclusion. this is more delusion and more about delusion and exclusion . so before we get exclusion. so before we get stuck into the debate , here's stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this houn the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking, are you warming to rishi sunak? the prime has a spring prime minister has a spring in his step this week as he draws up to slash inheritance up plans to slash inheritance taxes, up rules to build new taxes, rip up rules to build new houses and keep the triple lock on pensions . what do you think? on pensions. what do you think? are warming up ? then at 450,

are you warming up? then at 450, it's worldview will cross over. live to angeles paul live to los angeles with paul duddridge, host of the duddridge, the host of the politics podcast , to get politics people podcast, to get the unexpected the latest on the unexpected candidates in candidates for president in 2024. we'll head to moscow 2024. plus we'll head to moscow with alexei veer to see how russia reacted to armenia, russia has reacted to armenia, drifting away their drifting away from their influence. then stay tuned at 5:00. it's this week's outside andifs 5:00. it's this week's outside and it's two for one today. i've got a very exciting guest and i'm joined by a couple who have recently got married abroad in a beautiful ceremony in an african country. stay tuned and all will be revealed. that's coming up in the next hour, though. tell me what on everything what you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. right. let's gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. right. let's get at. gb news. right. let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, also former labour adviser matthew louser. right i'll start with you, danny kelly. you're laughing, chuckling out loud . laughing, chuckling out loud. >> matthew and i look like a pair of boiled eggs. i've just noficed pair of boiled eggs. i've just noticed the monitor.

>> i'm glad you said it. oh, dean >> i'm great. we looked like we're just in mourning. look like we're just waiting for a chef to come along with a kitchen knife just to lobotomised . lobotomised. >> forwards if you more >> i'll go forwards if you more generous the generous for the benefit of the radio audience. >> both. >> we're both. >> we're both. >> we're both. we're >> we're both. we're both follically challenged. i think you say now. you have to say now. >> i. >> so am i. »- >> so am i. >> but i wear this, okay? >> but i wear this, okay? >> it's interesting, know, >> it's interesting, you know, nana in nana and davey bringing in feelings facts. can't feelings into facts. i can't remember commentator said feelings into facts. i can't remerdon't commentator said feelings into facts. i can't remerdon't aboutnentator said feelings into facts. i can't remerdon't about feelings said facts don't care about feelings or don't. or feelings don't. >> was it matt walsh? it could be. >> i think it was an american guy. maybe him or ben shapiro. and he's right. you need to look at things through the prism of biology. what he's biology. yeah. and what he's suggesting is that until legislation was changed, i think he ago, when you he said 20 years ago, when you can you like, you can can if you like, you can identify as a different gender. so he's saying is prior to so what he's saying is prior to that legislation, have that legislation, he would have said the question, can a said no to the question, can a woman a penis? so it's woman have a penis? so it's since i've said since that legislation i've said this and i don't know how this before and i don't know how matthew feels about about this, we'll but genuinely we'll find out. but i genuinely believe of people who believe that a lot of people who who agree and say, yes, a woman can a penis, i genuinely

can have a penis, i genuinely think that they're lying and it's not a case of them just being nice and sympathetic. i think deep down know think deep down they know they're there they're lying. but but there is pressure to conform . and pressure on them to conform. and that's view. and i don't that's my view. and i don't think politicians should blur the lines between emotions and science . science. >> matthew. laughter yeah. >> matthew. laughter yeah. >> so i mean, i think the left and i include the liberal democrats in that, the kind of liberal with a small l opinion has got itself in a complete mess language this mess around language on this because, you know, quite obviously, wes streeting the obviously, as wes streeting the labour politician who has answered the question most simply, my old mate says, you know, men have penises, women have vaginas. >> but a small number of people have dysmorphia and have have gender dysmorphia and have transitioned to the other genden transitioned to the other gender. so this four year, so and so , you know, it's as simple and so, you know, it's as simple as that . and this issue about as that. and this issue about penod as that. and this issue about period poverty , you know, if period poverty, you know, if i was a woman, i would be hopping mad that this tiny, tiny aspect of it is getting away from an issue which affects 51, 52% of the population, which only

affects women, though that's the problem . problem. >> yes. that's the fact that they actually identify they can't actually identify that born as that people who are born as women, identify as men, women, but who identify as men, but who were clearly as but who were clearly born as women, you women, but actually have, you know, or know, women's biology or women's. is identifying as women's. what is identifying as women, what is a woman? if women, then? what is a woman? if a woman not what is a woman is not what is biologically woman? matthew >> well, no, think a woman is >> well, no, i think a woman is what it is in biology. but there are some there are people are some there are some people who is a woman is an who what it is a woman is an aduu who what it is a woman is an adult female . right. adult human female. right. >> the statement, >> so with the second statement, you're don't you're about to make, i don't think make that. having think you can make that. having said second statement, think you can make that. having said some second statement, think you can make that. having said some people nd statement, think you can make that. having said some people do statement, think you can make that. having said some people do liveement, think you can make that. having said some people do liveemethe well, some people do live as the other gender. >> transition, but >> some people transition, but they clearly that means they they clearly that means they they still born they were still not born a woman. they still weren't born in other woman. in the other woman. >> what is living as a woman? because problem. what because this is my problem. what is a woman? is living as a woman? >> you're wearing >> well, you're just wearing a wig makeup just. wig and makeup and just. >> well, that's i mean i mean, that's i mean. that's what i mean. >> what would. well, >> that's what they would. well, yes, mean, sense, anybody >> that's what they would. well, yes, do�*an, sense, anybody >> that's what they would. well, yes, do it,. sense, anybody >> that's what they would. well, yes, do it, but sense, anybody >> that's what they would. well, yes, do it, but then.;e, anybody >> that's what they would. well, yes, do it, but then. butnybody >> that's what they would. well, yes, do it, but then. but theniy could do it, but then. but then but shouldn't be but then they shouldn't be claiming were born a claiming that they were born a woman. if you don't woman. and if you if you don't have a period claiming you do have a period claiming you do have period daft have a period is just daft beyond

have a period is just daft beyind what's slightly more >> i think what's slightly more daft believing that there's daft is believing that there's a nofion daft is believing that there's a notion a woman notion of living as a woman because as a woman is because living as a woman is having biological having the biological things that to deal with. that women have to deal with. that's as living that's what i believe as living as is. so having deal as a woman is. so having to deal with periods, also having to deal a very deal with, that's a very legitimate point. are legitimate point. those are the things me woman. things that make me a woman. that's what makes a woman. so that's what makes me a woman. so if ask me what woman is if you ask me what a woman is and asked you, you said and i asked you, you said an aduu and i asked you, you said an adult there is adult human female. so there is no can live as a woman no way a man can live as a woman under that definition. >> you know, it's >> not i mean, you know, it's very hard for as man to very hard for me as a man to disagree with that. right. >> be down the >> it shouldn't be down to the fact you're man, but the fact that you're a man, but the difficulty should be really you. >> trying get >> i'm trying to not get cancelled by leftie friends. cancelled by my leftie friends. >> that's what >> so, you see, that's what danny the pressure. yes >> there's example of >> there's a great example of matthew having to rein back on probably . and i'm putting words probably. and i'm putting words in your mouth. but but again, i think that if you genuinely are thinking woman can have a thinking that a woman can have a penis, i'm going to use the word again. think and hate to say again. i think and i hate to say it, but i think you're lying. >> well, lying. well, >> well, he was lying. well, i tell what, i find most tell you what, i find the most difficult bit of it. >> be so

confrontational. >> no, no, no, no, no. » .— >> no, no, no, no, no. >> i think do it every week. >> i think you do it every week. >> i think you do it every week. >> that's why we love. that's why look, i the why we look, we i think the big issue in the debate and i don't quite is people who quite understand is people who describe themselves, you know, people transitioned and people who have transitioned and sometimes the label trans sometimes use the label trans man trans woman. was at a man or trans woman. i was at a sort of, you know, to use the trendy parlance, queer event yesterday where people were saying, i'm a trans man, i'm a trans woman. at this at this event. that's interesting because that's living as a trans man living as a trans man, because that's living as a trans man is.iving as a trans man, because that's living as a trans man is notg as a trans man, because that's living as a trans man is not exactlyrans man, because that's living as a trans man is not exactly the man, because that's living as a trans man is not exactly the same as which is not exactly the same as living exactly. living as a woman. exactly. fine. i don't understand fine. so i don't understand why when it comes outside of outside of internal space, of the sort of internal space, there's equate, there's a big fight to equate, you know, know, it's just you know, you know, it's just like like a black like it's just like a black woman you woman isn't a white woman. you know, different know, people have different experiences. that's what i'm saying. experiences. that's what i'm say so. experiences. that's what i'm say so i experiences. that's what i'm sayso i don't mind if, experiences. that's what i'm say so i don't mind if, know, >> so i don't mind if, you know, obviously somebody obviously if somebody transitioned believe transitioned and they believe they're they they're a woman, yet they are a man biologically trans woman is fine that that fine because that that that explains that you believe explains to me that you believe that you're a woman, but you have your biologically have accepted your biologically a say you're a man. but to then say you're a woman i have to say you are a man. but to then say you're a wwoman i have to say you are a man. but to then say you're a wwoman i me to say you are a man. but to then say you're a wwoman i m knoway you are a man. but to then say you're a wwoman i m know that)u are a man. but to then say you're a wwoman i m know that a are a man. but to then say you're a wwoman i m know that a woman a woman when i know that a woman is adult is an adult human. >> that's yeah, i agree.

>> that's why. yeah, i agree. that's why the debate construct, which asked you to define, which i've asked you to define, which i've asked you to define, which find it which you have, i find it difficult to lie. >> and because and >> and also because you and i use toilets. know use the gents toilets. i know these are unisex. >> they're trendy, >> we. they're very trendy, gender but. >> we. they're very trendy, ger but but. >> we. they're very trendy, gerbut the but. >> we. they're very trendy, ger but the problems >> we. they're very trendy, gerbut the problems are, if >> but the problems are, if you're a woman, then you have you're a woman, then if you have a in who a bloke walking in who identifies a woman the identifies as a woman using the same cubicle next to same cubicle or cubicle next to it, afraid then people will it, i'm afraid then people will feel i know. nana feel uncomfortable. i know. nana you're worried about personal safety, i've got it through safety, and i've got it through the through the through the. >> i don't think. >> i don't think. >> no, not here. because you know everyone goes to the toilet. >> no, but toilet. » no, >> no, no. but but, you know, if i'm somewhere in the of i'm somewhere in the public, of course i would rather i mean, my friend loos of friend went into loos in one of these and she was pushed into these and she was pushed into the by a man then who the toilet by a man who then who was because it was a unisex sort of and pushed in. of thing. and he pushed in. >> is, it takes so >> the thing is, it takes so long now to read the signs, isn't have the isn't it? you have to read the signs say, know, do signs which say, you know, do the neutral with urinals the gender neutral with urinals or gender neutral without urinals. anyway, sorry. didn't mean well, listen, mean to interrupt. well, listen, if trouble, if i'm going to get in trouble, ihope if i'm going to get in trouble, i hope you're not eating. >> welcome it's just >> welcome on board. it's just coming up to 17 minutes after. this tv, online

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4:00. >> this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana okay , don't forget as well to download the gb news app, it's totally free. let's see what you've saying though, you've been saying though, earlier we're talking earlier because we're talking about democrats earlier because we're talking abo fact democrats earlier because we're talking abo fact that democrats earlier because we're talking abo fact that they're mocrats earlier because we're talking abo fact that they're still ats the fact that they're still struggling work out that struggling now to work out that actually are the only ones actually women are the only ones that says that menstruate. but helen says as who suffers with as someone who suffers with endometriosis and every month being in extreme i take being in extreme pain, i take offence to these mps stating that men can menstruate too. the world mad , do you know world has gone mad, do you know i'd love to see them? i wish. if only they would, emerson says. trans people do get stomach cramps and bloating, etcetera, because replacement because the hormone replacement therapy symptoms . therapy causes the symptoms. it's they get periods it's not that they get periods just the symptoms from the drugs. so it's drugs. yeah so it's not a period, is it? absolutely but lots of us get symptoms from taking medication. taking different medication. and also do that also they've chosen to do that for whatever reason. fred says gender belief and nothing gender is a belief and nothing more. it's time we using more. it's time we stop using the word to mean what sex the word gender to mean what sex you don't agree you are. well, i don't agree with a lot of people don't with you a lot of people don't agree with you. i've not

subscribed to it i think subscribed to it and i think most the majority, most people, the majority, believe are only two believe there are only two genders. belief. and genders. that's your belief. and you're to i don't you're free to it. but i don't believe belief. anthony believe it's a belief. anthony says. on the trans says. great show on the trans issue. do identify as issue. do men that identify as women a pay cut? women have to take a pay cut? well, i think they well, i think perhaps they should lesson, should teach them a lesson, wouldn't coming ? wouldn't it? keep them coming? but for the great but it's now time for the great british hour. and british debate this hour. and i'm are warming to i'm asking, are you warming to rishi environmentalist are rishi sunak environmentalist are grinding their teeth once again. and rishi sunak is believed to be preparing to use his party's 60 majority to come down 60 seat majority to come down from 80, isn't it? or 84 or whatever it was to scrap the nutrient rules to nutrient neutrality rules to build 140,000 new homes . build 140,000 new homes. hallelujah. say some now , this hallelujah. say some now, this comes only days after his net zero speech, setting out his plans to delay his targets for petrol and diesel cars. but it's not just net zero. the prime minister is also drawing up plans to slash one of the most hated taxes in britain. yes, according to the sunday times, inheritance tax might well be scrapped. the tax will reportedly be reformed and eventually abolished , but that eventually abolished, but that also comes as rishi sunak is set

to triple the to keep the triple lock on pensions, despite the staggering costs of the measure. and finally , a year into the and finally, a year into the job, rishi finally de caught job, rishi has finally de caught the zeal and expected the reforming zeal and expected to take the fight to labour whenever the next next election is. but is it too late? so for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking are you warming to rishi? well, i'm joined now by ben former brexit by ben habib, former brexit party peter edwards, former party mep peter edwards, former editor of labourlist paul editor of the labourlist paul embery, unionist and also embery, trade unionist and also broadcaster lettuce rimouski and political commentator . um, so political commentator. um, so where are they ? well, we'll where are they? well, we'll start with we usually have a nice little box with four of them right? there we go. that's better. i can talk to you now. right? i'm going to start with lettuce. what do think ? lettuce. what do you think? look, a lot of respect look, i have a lot of respect for rishi and what he's managed to achieve over this past year. >> you know, i think he was underestimated at the start through leadership election through the leadership election . i'm . but ultimately, what i'm seeing at the moment is that none of these policies are aimed seeing at the moment is that none cyoungeroolicies are aimed seeing at the moment is that none (younger generation aimed

seeing at the moment is that none (younger generation from d at the younger generation from this past week and the tsunami of policy proposals we've seen the triple lock being secured , the triple lock being secured, inheritance tax watering down net zero. it's not only the younger generation, so can't really be warming. rishi sunak when there's nothing that's appealing to me . appealing to me. >> okay, fair enough . paul. paul >> okay, fair enough. paul. paul mbappe well , >> okay, fair enough. paul. paul mbappe well, i think the next election is not done yet. >> nana despite what a lot of people have been saying , and i people have been saying, and i don't think this is a 1997 moment where it was clear in the months and years leading up to that election that the tories were toast and that the labour party were going to win . party were going to win. >> i think things are much more in the balance and i genuinely think that the election will be won or lost according to who wins the red wall. now there's no doubt that the tories have alienated millions of voters in the red wall. the people, many of them who voted tory for the first time in 2019 and feel

betrayed by the tory party on things like immigration and crime and levelling up the cost of living crisis and so on. but i think what sunak has done over the last couple of weeks, particularly with net zero, because that's going to have a big effect on ordinary working class will play well class people that will play well , i think in red wall constituencies . if inflation constituencies. if inflation continues to come down, if he makes people feel a little bit more prosperous and potentially if he deals with the small boats issue, there's no sign of him doing that anytime soon. but if he does, then i think things could be a lot closer in the election year many could be a lot closer in the electiorrealise. ear many people realise. >> okay. peter edwards i think rishi sunak is a pleasant chap and i think works very hard and i think he works very hard in what he thinks are the best interests of the country. >> he looks lost, he >> but to me he looks lost, he looks rudderless, looks looks rudderless, he looks dnven looks rudderless, he looks driven and driven by his backbenchers. and a that number seems to a story that number ten seems to have out this weekend have briefed out this weekend about potentially cutting iht shows . how lost he is, you know, shows. how lost he is, you know, inheritance tax. more than inheritance tax. yeah more than 90% who don't pay 90% of people who don't pay inheritance tax. so it looks

like the tories and i think it is out of desperation are flirting with idea for their flirting with the idea for their tax richest 6 or 8% tax cut for the richest 6 or 8% of society. so i think he's lost. >> well you say that, but i think the actual level of because houses have become more more sort of they've gone up in value. i think the threshold. yeah. but the percentage will be higher because houses have gone up of inflation. >> benhabib i'm not warming to rishi sunak . >> benhabib i'm not warming to rishi sunak. i don't think the changes he's made to internal combustion engines being banned in 2035 and all gas boilers or oil fired up boilers in 2035 is really going to make a difference to the consumer because all the regulatory steps required to make those two items prohibitively expensive . lviv prohibitively expensive. lviv between now and 2030 remain in place . so you will see the place. so you will see the government not bearing down on the use of those two items between now and 2030 anyway. and you're going to see massive inflation in the cost of internal combustion engines as well as oil fired boilers . so

well as oil fired boilers. so i think it's a falsity that, you know , by delaying the ban by know, by delaying the ban by five years, he's actually taken the neck, the knee off the neck of the consumer. and the real the real problem, i'm not warming to him. the real reason i'm not warming to him is because he is still practising a whole set of policies that are damaging this country's economy. and i agree with peter on the inheritance tax issue. only 3.7. i know it's a very rare form of agreement, but he's also more or less got his facts right. only 3.7% of people who die pay that tax. and while it's an iniquitous tax, actually what he should be cutting is tax on the working and middle classes. >> but hang on, there's still an it's just not fair, though, is it's just not fair, though, is it not? people think why should you have pay? you have to pay? >> oh, a completely wrong tax. >> it's the principle of it . >> it's the principle of it. let's i want to come back to you so has talked about so keir starmer has talked about 16 year olds getting 16 to 17 year olds getting the vote younger being vote and younger people being involved that involved in politics in that respect. but does make respect. but does that make you warm keir starmer then? warm to sir keir starmer then? >> no, no, i don't think 16 and

17 olds should get the 17 year olds should get the vote. >> i don't think that's something that should go through. are through. i think that you are too ultimately, at 16 too young. ultimately, at 16 years old and 17 years old to have the vote. >> and there needs to be a point. >> but i think that the conservatives seem to have disregarded younger disregarded the younger generation in so things . generation in so many things. there so many areas , there are so many areas, hopefully at conference coming up , there will more up, there will be some more policy forms that will come through . through. >> but there's been so many ifs and buts. >> and there was on the front page of the telegraph about 140,000 new houses will be built when they failed to come through on the 300,000 houses being built, the younger generation and millennials as well as swamp with awful rent at the moment , with awful rent at the moment, terrible housing and they just haven't delivered on that . well, haven't delivered on that. well, i'll have to stop it there because your lines are a little bit shaky, as is yours, paul, sadly. but let us ravitsky. thank you very much, as well as paul edwards and paul embry, peter edwards and ben to talk you. ben habib, good to talk to you. thank views. so thank you for your views. so what do you think then? are you

warming to rishi sunak? this is gb to minutes gb news coming up to 31 minutes after after the break, after 4:00. now after the break, we'll the great we'll continue with the great british hour. british debate this hour. and i'm warming to i'm asking, are you warming to rishi? hear thoughts rishi? you'll hear the thoughts of and of my panel, broadcaster and journalist also journalist danny kelly. also former labour adviser matthew lanza. let's get your lanza. but first, let's get your latest sanchez . lanza. but first, let's get your latest sanchez. nana. tatiana sanchez. nana. >> thank you very much and good afternoon. this is the latest from the newsroom . rishi sunak from the newsroom. rishi sunak is planning to cut inheritance tax and could announce the policy before next month's party conference. the sunday times claims the prime minister is planning to reduce the rate by march before scrapping it altogether , with his team altogether, with his team referring to it as the most hated tax in britain, inheriting tax is levied at 40, but the vast majority of couples can pass on £1 million to their children without paying a penny. it's one of a number of long term policies that may be implemented before the next general election. as the tories attempt to overturn labour's

lead in the polls. former transport secretary grant shapps says it would be irresponsible to keep ploughing money into hs2 plans . he added it would be plans. he added it would be crazy to not reassess whether the full project remains viable. the sunday telegraph claims the potential cost of the high speed rail scheme has increased by £8 billion, which chancellor jeremy hunt says is out of control . now hunt says is out of control. now the government has refused to deny the birmingham to manchester leg to be curtailed with the planned line to east midlands parkway also under threat . suella braverman says threat. suella braverman says she supports armed police officers handing in their firearms and stepping back from dufies firearms and stepping back from duties after a colleague was charged with the murder of chris kaba.the charged with the murder of chris kaba. the 24 year old was unarmed and died when he was shot in his car in south london last year . the home secretary last year. the home secretary has ordered a review of armed policing . gb news understands as policing. gb news understands as many as 100 counter—terrorism officers have decided to step

away from armed duties . and away from armed duties. and a remnant of our early solar system, which scientists believe can shed light on how the planets formed and life on our planets formed and life on our planet began. has now landed on earth. it landed in the utah desert in the us . nasa has desert in the us. nasa has collected the sample from the bennu asteroid after a seven year long mission , it's year long mission, it's estimated to be 4.5 billion years old. fragments will be studied by scientists from the university of manchester and the natural history museum for more on all of those stories, you can visit our website, gbnews.com. now it's back to nana . now it's back to nana. >> thank you, tatiana. 33 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. still to come, this week's outside . it's a two for one outside. it's a two for one situation. i'm joined by a couple who have recently got married abroad in a beautiful ceremony in an african country. one of them is a former labour mp other a beautician

sunday mornings from 930 on news i >> welcome back. 37 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. don't forget, you can watch us live and stream the show on youtube. i'm nana akua. it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, are you warming to rishi sunak? environmentalists are grinding their teeth once again and rishi sunak is believed to be preparing to use his party's

60 seat majority scrap the 60 seat majority to scrap the nutrient neutrality rules to build 140,000 new homes. now, this comes days after his net zero speech labour and nature england are not the only ones. he's upset. john caldwell, a major conservative donor, has said that he will not back rishi sunak after the madness of the u—turn on green policies and after rattling the cages, it appears that the prime minister has to find other ways to has had to find other ways to win popularity. one them win popularity. and one of them is drawing up plans to slash is by drawing up plans to slash the most hated tax in britain. yes, according to the sunday times, inheritance tax might be well be scrapped. the tax will be reportedly be reformed and eventually if eventually abolished. and if that hasn't already done that gesture hasn't already done it, then you might try this one. the prime minister is set to keep the triple lock on pensions, despite the staggering costs to the economy. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm warming to i'm asking, are you warming to rishi? well, let's see what my panel of i'm joined rishi? well, let's see what my pa|former of i'm joined rishi? well, let's see what my pa|former labour i'm joined rishi? well, let's see what my pa|former labour adviserioined rishi? well, let's see what my pa|former labour adviser matthew by former labour adviser matthew lanza, also a broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, has journalist danny kelly, who has received journalist danny kelly, who has recei�*actually, danny from

text. actually, danny from robert abel, who says nana danny is wasting away. he's looking lost in that shirt. he'll need a new wardrobe soon. well done , new wardrobe soon. well done, danny. new wardrobe soon. well done, danny . how new wardrobe soon. well done, danny. how much have you lost this week? >> well , i've this week? >> well, i've just come back from devon, so i've. i've put. yes. jam on first. i've put on a few pounds, but then i've lost them over the last 48 hours. but that's nice. thank you. >> every time i do sunday. danny, you are the man than you were before. >> disappointed. >> i was disappointed. >> i was disappointed. >> mentioned i'm >> i was disappointed. >>to mentioned i'm >> i was disappointed. >> to you, mentioned i'm >> i was disappointed. >>to you, mymentioned i'm >> i was disappointed. >>to you, my fellowned i'm >> i was disappointed. >>to you, my fellow ball i'm brother. >> so i'm gonna start with you, matthew. yes. these are some good. strong good. these are some strong dividing him and dividing lines between him and the party. well, it's finding. >> making them. good >> making them. it's good to have it, to have politics back, isn't it, to actually about policy actually be arguing about policy and not slices of cake or who did when lockdown. so did what when in lockdown. so yes, i think look, you can't take it away. rishi is actually suddenly looks like he stands for something. but i think the devil and devil is in the detail. and i think it's bit of a rush of think it's a bit of a rush of policy without overarching policy without an overarching narrative because were narrative, because as we were heanng narrative, because as we were hearing earlier , not all of hearing earlier, not all of these things are going to be popular with the red wall voters who voters that

who are the voters that got them? the majority for them? it got the majority for bofis them? it got the majority for boris johnson the last boris johnson at the last general actually did general election. i actually did a chart a little, you know, chart between red wall friendly and not red wall. so on the red wall side, got the some of the side, you've got the some of the green stuff, particularly the new houses , and not forcing you new houses, and not forcing you to have a heat pump boiler. but on the non very red wall friendly hs2 if you live in the north it looks like a blow to you. it's complicated, but you know, a north friendly know, it's not a north friendly policy. i'm the north and policy. i'm from the north and i can you they don't. well, can tell you they don't. well, they don't want it. well, no, they don't want it. well, no, they it. and they do want it. and even though, they certainly though, you know, they certainly don't kind of stop don't want it to be kind of stop halfway, tax halfway, the inheritance tax proposal affect very proposal does only affect a very small people, small number of people, almost all of whom in london, in all of whom live in london, in the because of the south—east, because of house pnces prices affecting their wealth. we'll be discussing i'm not saying or wrongs in saying rights or wrongs in london. yeah, well, i think and then, this week, then, you know, this week, getting the a—levels, getting rid of the a—levels, going baccalaureate, getting rid of the a—levels, going quite baccalaureate, getting rid of the a—levels, going quite bacc of ureate, getting rid of the a—levels, going quite bacc of home, that's quite a sort of home counties issue. and then the sort , you know, the sort of sort of, you know, the sort of others that that are on the wall. so i think what they lack, there's of energy, there's lots of energy, but there's lots of energy, but there's in there's no story. and in politics, what tried to do politics, what i tried to do when was an adviser make when i was an adviser is make

sure that we were telling a story because people listen story because what people listen to you're to is the narrative you're telling than details to is the narrative you're te|thei than details to is the narrative you're te|the policies han details to is the narrative you're te|the policies you're details to is the narrative you're te|the policies you're selling.; interesting >> demarcation lines >> danny kelly demarcation lines are being drawn as we speak and i think warming to rishi. >> do warm to rishi. >> yes, i do warm to rishi. i think rishi is warming up for a general election. i think it's going cold some some going to be cold and some some yeah, it's been the same . april, may. >> yeah, i think it'll be a yeah. >> no, i think he is, he is much more likely now. yeah. i think oh definitely. as soon as he announced, as soon as suella braverman there's point braverman said there's no point bankrupting net zero. bankrupting the uk for net zero. i now there is a i said now there is a demarcation line that is being drawn as we speak. so now labour have automatically said if they win they're going to reverse have automatically said if they win tit's re going to reverse have automatically said if they win tit's to going to reverse have automatically said if they win tit's to going go 'everse have automatically said if they win tit's to going go backe have automatically said if they win tit's to going go back to that. it's to going go back to say 2030 for the himars, for the ban petrol boilers. no, ban of petrol boilers. no, that's now what i that's correct. now what i believe as the believe as far as the inheritance concerned, inheritance tax is concerned, you're very you're right, it affects very few those people are few people. and those people are generally wealthy, maybe with properties. think properties. but i think he's trying up the blue wall trying to shore up the blue wall vote. absolutely right, because trying to shore up the blue wall vote. aarelutely right, because trying to shore up the blue wall vote. aarelutely rinto because trying to shore up the blue wall vote. aarelutely rinto the :ause trying to shore up the blue wall vote. aarelutely rinto the blue reform are eating into the blue wall . and so even though it wall vote. and so even though it doesn't really affect 96, 97% of the i think he's trying to

the uk, i think he's trying to shore up that support. i disagree with matthew as far as hs2 concerned . i think in the hs2 is concerned. i think in the south—east, i think people are over estimating people over estimating what people in the it. the north really think of it. okay, in the midlands, okay, so i live in the midlands, dnven okay, so i live in the midlands, driven 96 miles down to get it. >> get sat in every time, >> you get sat in every time, another back. another 96 to get back. >> i get on the train from >> i can get on the train from leamington spa to paddington in around about an hour now. it's to going shave. 19 minutes off. is it worth now £700 billion? yeah, i know. we're maybe going to talk about hs2 later on, isn't it? yeah. and as far as and just to get back to the 2050 and just to get back to the 2050 and suella braverman comments, thatis and suella braverman comments, that is definitely trying to shore up the red wall all that's the big thing, correct? >> yes. the anti green stuff does. >> it's a subtle hint because in my experience , generally my experience, generally speaking, people who are working class and maybe middle class trying to pay a mortgage, they are not as into vested in the net zero target as people. maybe in the south—east think they should be. >> but generally speaking, we can come back to some of

can also come back to some of the things that sir keir starmer has so many has talked about so many, many issues mentioned. kind issues he's mentioned. he's kind of it feels like he wants to go back into the eu and people are very nervous about it's very nervous about that. it's been very, nervous. he's very nervous about that. it's bee distancing nervous. he's very nervous about that. it's bee distancing himselfs. he's very nervous about that. it's bee distancing himself enough not distancing himself enough from i think what's happened >> yeah, i think what's happened is a the is that there's been a the rishi's had week and he's rishi's had a good week and he's had a slightly tricky fortnight with comments about the eu. with the comments about the eu. i think the getting in a mess on the immigration policy which actually could have been a good sale they them. sale but they got them. they sort their armour sort of let a in their armour and it was taken the labour party, labour party did on party, the labour party did on immigration because they got because in theory because basically in theory what they if they were trying to say is if people stopped coming from europe, take 10,000 europe, we would take 10,000 people rather than having 100,000. it 100,000. but people thought it was to 100,000 was going to be 100,000 extra people. a mess. people. so it was just a mess. and it was, you know, frankly, it took those of us who were sort of, know, political sort of, you know, political nerds try it nerds time to try and work it out. so it's had a bad couple of weeks of messaging weeks in terms of messaging and clarity. labour conference is normally in the middle of the lib dems. labour tories for bonng lib dems. labour tories for boring reasons to do with the conference centre not being available. last available. labour's coming last

. a big . that gives them a big opportunity his own opportunity to do his own relaunch. so watch out for a sort relaunch, sort of keir not quite relaunch, but a of soft clarity in but a kind of soft clarity in the messaging. meets the messaging. when labour meets in liverpool a couple of in liverpool in a couple of weeks like weeks time. well we would like some from keir starmer. >> just started >> he's only just started talking his policies and i talking about his policies and i think could costly think that could be quite costly for him. don't you think? >> think they talk about >> well, i think they talk about the policies that deliver for working good if they working families. good if they talk if they're talk about, you know, if they're giving messages giving even mixed messages on europe, the wolf. >> that's what they're doing >> and that's what they're doing just briefly, just finally and briefly, if i was a conservative policy adviser, i would would make was a conservative policy advirthat would would make was a conservative policy advirthat woulsunaled make was a conservative policy advirthat woulsunak playsake was a conservative policy advirthat woul sunak plays on sure that rishi sunak plays on the keir is the fact that keir starmer is a realm the night. realm of the night. >> starmer, he's >> sir keir starmer, he's detached from working class individuals would individuals who would be purports and also purports to look after and also i'd for the eu. is that works i'd go for the eu. is that works in factory there as he doesn't in a factory there as he doesn't mention of occasions. mention on a lot of occasions. well reinforces his his his well that reinforces his his his nervousness about about how people perceived. people are perceived. >> some >> there is some and also some working voters like the working class voters like the circus. respectable. working class voters like the circus. re also :able. working class voters like the circus. re also ible. working class voters like the circus. re also i would focus >> fine and also i would focus on the 2050 net zero and suella braverman words. there's no point bankrupting us. well, if they stop boats, then they stop the boats, then they've vote. they've got everyone to vote. >> i think they're to going go for election before

for an election before because they boats in they can't stop the boats in time. but they can float all these right? these new ideas, right? >> winter the boats >> because in winter the boats are going to dry up anyway, aren't they? possibly >> well, >> possibly. right. well, this shows nothing without you and your welcome your views. let's welcome our great your great british voice your opportunity the show opportunity to be on the show and tell us what think about and tell us what you think about the this the topics we're discussing this this hour. let's head over to saint let me to saint albans. let me speak to a regular voice, jacqui sampson. jacqui, much for jacqui, thank you very much for joining are you joining us. jacqui, are you warming rishi sunak ? not at all. >> i was never particularly warm about him before and there's nothing he's done . nothing he's done. >> it makes me feel any warmer towards him. >> he seems to be change ing his viewpoints . viewpoints. >> it seems he's worried about votes . and if i look at his key votes. and if i look at his key promises , halving inflation, he promises, halving inflation, he hasn't done that. >> growing the economy that hasn't happened. >> debt hasn't been reduced. >> debt hasn't been reduced. >> the waiting times have not been cut and he hasn't stopped the boats. so i don't really see him any making any progress. >> so i know he rid of . >> so i know he rid of. >> so i know he rid of. >> what about net zero, though?

what about are you happy about him sort of delaying the complete ban on petrol and diesel new cars to 2035 to keep up with the eu ? well personally up with the eu? well personally i think they were rushing towards that too quickly. >> i think there's a lot of economic fallout by forcing people to get rid of that , not people to get rid of that, not to get rid of their cars , not to get rid of their cars, not have their boilers , like it's an have their boilers, like it's an agenda which doesn't actually doesn't suit the people. >> yeah , i'm with you, jacqui. >> yeah, i'm with you, jacqui. we're not. thank you very much. jackie, your lines a little bit crackly, so we'll leave it there. but jackie sampson, thank you very she's a great you very much. she's a great british voice there. it's you very much. she's a great briopen.)ice there. it's you very much. she's a great briopen. so there. it's you very much. she's a great briopen. so those there. it's you very much. she's a great briopen. so those are re. it's you very much. she's a great briopen. so those are hert's you very much. she's a great briopen. so those are her views. an open. so those are her views. let's take a look at yours. but still come, we've got loads still to come, we've got loads more. outside. it's more. this week's outside. it's a love story. our two a true love story. our two guests engaged just guests were engaged after just seven meeting seven months after meeting each other. do you other. stay tuned. who do you think they are? all will be revealed. first, get revealed. but first, let's get an weather. an update with your weather. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news.

weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm greg jewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. we have showers along the spells of rain over the next few days turning very windy as we head towards the middle of the week and low pressure generally dominates the days. dominates the next few days. however, monday could see dominates the next few days. howeydrierionday could see dominates the next few days. howeydrier weather could see dominates the next few days. howeydrier weather for)uld see dominates the next few days. howeydrier weather for a ld see dominates the next few days. howeydrier weather for a time; some drier weather for a time before wind before further rain and wind moves in, particularly as we head towards wednesday day. and it's a rainy picture for parts of scotland, northern ireland, western england western parts of england and wales evening . that all wales this evening. that all sweeping north and eastwards as we the early we move through into the early hours following a hours with showers following a windy evening and night to come with gales across the north and the west. wind starting the west. but the wind starting to the end the night to ease by the end of the night despite skies, despite clear skies, temperatures generally staying in figures across the in double figures across the whole of the uk. so a bit of a cloudy start across scotland. northern ireland with showery outbreaks rain here first outbreaks of rain here first thing morning, brighter thing monday morning, brighter skies some sunshine for skies with some sunshine for england and wales, but a scattering showers and these scattering of showers and these will continue through the day as

the cloud bubbles up. but lots of staying dry. sunny of places staying dry. sunny spells for northern spells and showers for northern ireland as well . ireland and scotland as well. still breezy, the winds still breezy, but the winds lighter to sunday lighter compared to sunday evening and temperatures lifting into the low 20s. but generally 918 to 23 celsius into tuesday , 918 to 23 celsius into tuesday, we'll see a dry start to the day. some mist and fog patches, but then rain sweeps in from the west, pushing eastwards as we head through the day ahead of some very wet and windy weather for wednesday. met office warnings already in force for this. temperatures near average i >> -- >> the temperatures rising . boxt >> the temperatures rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> so coming up, on. gb news. >> so coming up , the great >> so coming up, the great british debate in the next hour. i'm asking, is it time to scrap hs2? i'm asking, is it time to scrap hsz? but i'm asking, is it time to scrap hs2? but next, it's worldview as we get the latest on what's going on in the us and

good afternoon . this is coming good afternoon. this is coming up to seven minutes to 5:00 this is gb news on tv , online and on is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . digital radio. i'm nana akua. it's now time, though, for worldview. let's get the latest on russia . they're offering on russia. they're offering to help with the ceasefire between two armenia . so two regions in armenia. so joining me to discuss is russian journalist alexei ver. let's head russia right now. head over to russia right now. so alexia, a russian reaction to the conflict between armenia and azerbaijan over the disputed regions . talk to me about that .

regions. talk to me about that. >> oh, nana. yes this week on tuesday, hostilities broke out between armenia and azerbaijan over the disputed region of nagorny karabakh and nagorno—karabakh. >> it's an enclave controlled by ethnic armenians. it's not connected to armenia's mainland andifs connected to armenia's mainland and it's not recognised by the international community. according to the united nations and even armenia itself. nagorno karabakh is indeed the territory of azerbaijan . so the azeri of azerbaijan. so the azeri defence ministry declared a counter—terrorist operation on tuesday and it lasted one day. it took one day for the azerbaijani to take control over nagorno—karabakh . and then the nagorno—karabakh. and then the accusations came from yerevan towards moscow , because moscow towards moscow, because moscow was supposed to be a security provider for the population of nagorno—karabakh . as three nagorno—karabakh. as three years, the last time hostilities broke out for this disputed region, moscow stepped in as a mediator and russian peacekeepers were deployed in nagorno—karabakh, which by the way, six russian peacekeepers

were killed as the hostilities unfolded. so now yerevan is accusing moscow of not taking action and the kremlin refuses those accusations . accusations those accusations. accusations saying that moscow's only task was to protect civilians, which, well, it did its best to protect civilians, according to the kremlin. and. well, we'll see how it turns out now. but i'm sure we will see a lot of refugees leaving the nagorny karabakh as armenians have accused azerbaijani of ethnic cleansing . and while this is the cleansing. and while this is the situation has deteriorated, we'll see how it unfolds . we'll see how it unfolds. >> alexia, thank you very much for your update. right. let's thank you so much. let's travel over to america now and have a chat to the host of the politics people podcast, duddridge . people podcast, paul duddridge. let's off so paul , let's start off so paul, president obama 2024 but there's a rumour here that it could be barack obama's wife. wait a minute. i'm confused. talk to me, paul. what's going on? >> yeah. okay. so this has been kicking around on the internet and in dc for the last sort of

year that the replacement candidate for joe year that the replacement candidate forjoe biden could be michelle obama . and it's not michelle obama. and it's not really ever been taken seriously until ted cruz this week until senator ted cruz this week has floated it as that he's heard that this is the strategy erg we've talked about. there's going to be a parachute candidate coming in just before the election sort of next august. and it looks like the smart money is now moving on to michelle obama to be the democrat party candidate. >> and ted cruz describes her as the most dangerous prospect because that would be a runaway treat for the democrats. but it's kind of interesting. >> this is interesting on two levels, because now the conversation in the states isn't about whether joe biden will be replaced. >> it's now turned into who's going to replace him. >> so he is i know we always talk about, you know, how impenetrable and how invincible he is and just he's absolutely immune to any attacks, but he's actually starting to get hold below the waterline by the political class, by his main

supporters. >> so like i said, now , i >> so like i said, now, i personally still have outside money on hillary clinton making a comeback. but the mood has changed to who is going to replace him, not whether he will be replaced. and that's a fascinating place to be. it's governor newsom of california and michelle now, she and michelle obama. now, she would be the most popular choice for democrats. think would be the most popular choice for clinton ats. think would be the most popular choice for clinton is;. think would be the most popular choice for clinton is not:hink would be the most popular choice for clinton is not even to hillary clinton is not even to be written surely be written off because surely michelle obama could be quite dangerous for the republicans because would i mean, because people would i mean, she's not a kamala harris and always laughing. >> a kamala harris. she's she's a strong woman. and people loved barack obama for 100. >> i mean, they are like american royal family. that's the thing. the democrat , they the thing. the democrat, they love them. this their new jfk that said this all along . the that said this all along. the problem that the republicans have got , no matter how much have got, no matter how much i love and no matter how love trump and no matter how much i love maga, the fact is it's only going to come down to the six the decision of about six battleground 2024. battleground states in 2024. they decide time. they decide every single time. michelle obama is a superstar of the democrats. now, i know i

pontificate and sometimes we hit paydirt on this on this section. but this is being floated by the senator from texas, ted cruz, openly as being the strategy of the democrat party. and he's very, very well informed. >> but i think she would probably make a great president. i think a lot of people would probably vote for her. but talk to the republican to me about the republican party, because apparently they're that they're changing the way that they select presidential candidates favour candidates basically to favour donald that absolutely. >> this is the thing. maga is a movement . they think that movement. they think that everybody's just obsessed with trump. they aren't. they're obsessed with make america great again. and the trump team for the last few years in in the background have been trying to take over the republican party and starting to see the and we're starting to see the results that. in old results of that. in the old days, you more than 50% days, if you had more than 50% of vote, you still got down of the vote, you still got down to the three final candidates to be presidential selection. be the presidential selection. now the rules. now they're changing the rules. california has just done this . california has just done this. if you're a republican with more than of support, you will be than 50% of support, you will be

their pick. and this is completely been engineered by the trump camp over the last few years with various states to favour a donald trump and in this case, donald trump for any candidate in the future. this means that we could have a very much quicker result. so instead of wasting the next sort of six months deciding who's going to be the candidate, be be the candidate, we could be deciding on donald trump officially by more like march, april the latest . april next year at the latest. >> wow. but he's apparently just distancing himself from the whole position. he whole abortion position. he called ron desantis six week limit terrible thing and limit a terrible thing and a terrible mistake. and he also refused to sign a nationwide 15 week he elected . is week ban if he was elected. is that a wise move for him now ? that a wise move for him now? >> we've talked about this. i've said that this is why they lost the midterm elections. we were the midterm elections. we were the only people being so the only people not being so bullish the midterms. bullish about the midterms. abortion going to be women in abortion is going to be women in 2024 are going to be the big decide. it's going to be the trans debate on one and trans debate on one side and abortion on other. women are abortion on the other. women are going decider and going to be the decider and trump is really openly he's separating himself from most of

the republican field by going like, no, cannot have six like, no, you cannot have a six week and no, week abortion ban. and no, i will not sign a 15 week abortion ban federally . will not sign a 15 week abortion ban federally. he's trying to put as much distance between himself and that debate as possible return something possible and return to something more roe v wade position, more like a roe v wade position, because the gop, the republican party , has been so tainted by party, has been so tainted by this ridiculous own goal, they lost the midterm elections because of and this is what trump blames the midterm losses on is the abortion debate. and so he very wisely is calling out desantis six week ban as terrible . and i think he's right terrible. and i think he's right to do so. >> and also so wednesday's debate then trump's not going to be there. briefly, though, on michelle obama. we've got about five seconds on this one. does she want to run ? she want to run? >> of course, of course. the obamas have been running the country for. yeah, they've been running the country anyway. they might well actually it might as well actually do it from house. from the white house. >> why not? well, an >> yeah. why not? well, an outrage. thank you much . outrage. thank you so much. that's paul duddridge. he's the host people

host of the politics people podcast. gb news. i'm podcast. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. more come in the nana akua. more to come in the next . next hour. it's 5:00. this is the news on tv, online and on digital radio for the next hour. me and my panel will be taking on some of those big topics, hitting the headunes those big topics, hitting the headlines right now. coming up. it's a special two for one in outside. i'm joined by a couple who recently got married abroad in a beautiful ceremony in an african country. one of them a former labour mp, the other a beautician a true story beautician and a true love story . they were engaged afterjust beautician and a true love story . theymonths|gaged afterjust beautician and a true love story . theymonths afterd afterjust beautician and a true love story . theymonths after meetingist beautician and a true love story . theymonths after meeting each seven months after meeting each other . then for great other. then for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking time to scrap hs2? asking is it time to scrap hs2? but first, let's get your latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez. news headlines with tatiana sanchez . nana. sanchez. nana. >> thank you very much. it's exactly 5:00. this is the latest. downing street has sought to play down reports the

prime minister is drawing up plans to slash inherit tax. the sunday times claims rishi sunak's considering reducing the current rate in the budget in march, despite a warning by chancellor jeremy march, despite a warning by chancellorjeremy hunt, he would have no headroom for tax cuts . have no headroom for tax cuts. death duty is charged at 40, but the vast majority of estates fall below the threshold. so married couples can pass on £1 million to their kids without being taxed. political commentator peter spence says it only benefits the wealthy. it is a tax cut, which is good news for the rich and has no impact on people who are not not so well—heeled. >> i mean , what does it mean to >> i mean, what does it mean to people who are renting for example? what does it mean to people who have little got people who have got a little got a place that isn't worth a little place that isn't worth that much? absolutely. zero. meanwhile the economy meanwhile while the economy is manifestly cash and manifestly strapped for cash and if you cut that tax, then then then how does that impact on, say , cutting income tax, which say, cutting income tax, which would which would be good news for everybody ? there isn't that

for everybody? there isn't that much money to splash the cash, to splash around . if you give it to splash around. if you give it to splash around. if you give it to the rich, you can't give it to the rich, you can't give it to the rich, you can't give it to the others . to the others. >> former transport secretary grant shapps says it would be irresponsible to keep ploughing money into hs2 plans. irresponsible to keep ploughing money into hs2 plans . the money into hs2 plans. the government has failed to deny reports claiming the manchester leg is set to be scrapped. the east midlands parkway line is also under threat . the sunday also under threat. the sunday telegraph claims the potential cost of the high speed rail scheme has increased by £8 billion. the cuts could be made before the tory party conference in manchester next month . okay in manchester next month. okay some breaking news in the last few minutes. military personnel could be drafted in to cover for metropolitan police firearms officers after dozens are thought to have withdrawn from armed duty. suella bravermans ordered a review into the situation that protest by armed officers is in response to a colleague being charged with murder of chris kaba . the 24 murder of chris kaba. the 24 year old was unarmed and died

when he was shot in his car in south london last year. the home secretary says armed police have to make split second decisions and mustn't fear ending up in the dock for carrying out their dufies. the dock for carrying out their duties . the liberal democrats duties. the liberal democrats are calling on the government to triple tax for social media firms to fund having a mental health worker for all schools in england. the proposal would see the digital services levy raised from 2 to 6% of company revenues as earlier deputy leader daisy cooper told her party conference that mental health has dropped off the political radar and she introduced a wider package of proposals , including regular proposals, including regular check ups on the nhs. for those at risk . now a check ups on the nhs. for those at risk. now a remnant of our early solar system , which early solar system, which scientists believe can shed light on how the planets formed and life on our planet began, has now landed on earth. it comes after a seven year long mission landing in the utah desert in the us shortly . the

desert in the us shortly. the osiris—rex spacecraft is bringing home samples from the asteroid bennu, which scientists believe will shed light on the formation of the planets and the origin of water on earth. dr. amy simon, a senior scientist at nasa, says it will allow us to look back millions of years into the past. asteroid seeds are the leftover remnants from solar system formation. >> so they're a pristine example of planetary building blocks and studying them helps us to understand how the earth and all the planets in our solar system were formed. and so we'll be taking those samples and looking at what they're made of, looking at what they're made of, looking at the different sizes of particles. but we'll be looking for carbon bearing minerals. particles. but we'll be looking for ca be n bearing minerals. particles. but we'll be looking for ca be looking g minerals. particles. but we'll be looking for ca be looking for1inerals. particles. but we'll be looking for ca be looking for organics we'll be looking for organics and amino acids, the building blocks life, well as blocks of life, as well as evidence that there was hydration in the past on bennu's surface because all of these things sort of materials things are the sort of materials that were delivered to earth that were delivered to earth that flourish here. that helped life flourish here. >> and finally, people have braved the chilly north sea to celebrate the autumn equinox parties stripped down to take

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thank you very much for joining me. both so much. well, now , me. both so much. well, now, talk about this love story talk to me about this love story so, coco, how did you guys meet? >> we met in kigali in a bar through friends . through mutual friends. >> and then we started as friends . yeah. friends. yeah. >> so talk to me about you because, look, we have this whole thing about people being sent to rwanda. i have said repeatedly, rwanda is a beautiful place. it is the home of a fantastic gorillas. it's famous for that. it is one of the it's known as the jewel in africa's crown. talk to me about what rwanda is like because you grew up there, i presume. tell me a bit about you. >> it's really beautiful country i >> -- >> it's clean, safe country, friend friendly , and it's great, friend friendly, and it's great, great tourist destination. >> so what was it like for you growing up in rwanda ? growing up in rwanda? >> i grew up in a big family with seven children like 2—2 brothers and five sisters, five sisters. so it's like a it's a it's a it's a good like

community friendly. the family, the way you're living, the way you go to the school. i went to the school with the public school, which is very good. you met, you know , you met there's a met, you know, you met there's a friend there . you met you go to friend there. you met you go to you know, you do the work at home. it's like it's a bit different from here because you have to do you have to go to get some water from somewhere to do the work, from home. cleaning. yeah >> so, you know, so this is a beautiful country. what are the people think when they hear the sort of things ? because i'm sure sort of things? because i'm sure some of the messages are getting across to rwanda that you know, you can't send people to rwanda as though and to me , the as though it's and to me, the impression is, given that it's a bad , i know it's not a bad bad place, i know it's not a bad place. i've travelled across africa, but know, are africa, but, you know, what are the people of rwanda think when they because they hear that? because presumably hearing presumably they are hearing that. mean, i think people think >> i mean, i think people think this because genocide this because the genocide or history , but it's over now. it's history, but it's over now. it's really beautiful country and more served country in africa .

more served country in africa. yeah. yeah. but and then we chill about it because, you know, we know it's about our history. so, yeah, we let people come and then see the, the facts because of course this country and, you know, like places like germany, they've got a pretty bad history if we're going to go back far. >> and if you go back, you know a people passing a lot of people passing judgement yet their places aren't know we're quite judgement yet their places aren't to know we're quite judgement yet their places aren't to forgive we're quite judgement yet their places aren't to forgive and; quite judgement yet their places aren't to forgive and forget happy to forgive and forget those people those things. so i think people need on from that need to move on from that now. simon you guys met talk to me simon so you guys met talk to me about was like for you about what it was like for you going rwanda. why were you in rwanda? >> was doing business in >> i was there doing business in 20th march 2022, bumped into koko and obviously very impressed by her. >> i think she's a beautiful person, not just on the outside for me, but on the inside as well. she's genuinely nice person with a great personality and i was struck by this , so we and i was struck by this, so we kept in contact . kept in contact. >> then i went out again for chogm , i think around may, june chogm, i think around may, june that year . chogm is the that year. chogm is the commonwealth of government commonwealth heads of government meeting there's whole big

meeting, so there's a whole big prince charles then was out there as well. >> there's boris johnson. >> so there's boris johnson. there's government representation. >> so i was out there. representation. >> wei was out there. representation. >> we spentout there. representation. >> we spent more ere. representation. >> we spent more time together and the relationship developed from there, from friendship into into to a love affair, i suppose, is what you'd call it. >> and so now you got married within seven months of meeting each i that's each other. but i think that's nice you you marry nice when you meet you marry somebody and the high bit when you're feeling really good. because while you're because after a while you're going get a bit like, oh god, going to get a bit like, oh god, i'm going, but you should marry on a high. and i love that story because i was actually listening to the story of candace owens and she met her partner , and and how she met her partner, and i he asked her to marry i think he asked her to marry her within 17 days. i think it was. and that was, you know, that to is when you meet that to me is when you meet somebody they've been somebody and they've been together for like five years or so. and got a third so. so and they've got a third child way. so me, it's child on the way. so to me, it's wonderful meet someone wonderful when you meet someone and and you want to be and you know, and you want to be with them. but some talk to me about struggles you had about the struggles that you had sort coco this country. >> yeah, yeah. country. >> soah, yeah. country. >> so we yeah. country. >> so we met in march and then we got engaged around september,

i and then we i think it was. and then we appued i think it was. and then we applied a visitor visa from applied for a visitor visa from the home office and we were expecting to get which expecting to get that which showed were strong showed that we were in a strong relationship, provided lots of evidence, that wasn't the evidence, but that wasn't the case. they knocked that back. they said, we don't believe you're relationship . yep. you're in a relationship. yep. and that basis rejected the and on that basis rejected the application . so we nevertheless application. so we nevertheless carried on having, you know, seeing each other. i i always i've been going out every two months anyway for a week or two. and then we speak daily on video call several times a day on video calls. so, so we had a very strong relationship and then we, we'd got engaged to get married . so we eventually married. so we eventually appued married. so we eventually applied for a spousal visa and that has been easier process. once you can show that you prove that you've been married, then it's a smoother process, i believe. that's what's believe. and that's what's happened. but not least with the coverage in the daily mail. i think the home office have thought, hang on, let's get let's get this sorted out. >> be honest. if you the >> just be honest. if you the thing is, though, you've probably they probably come on the boat, they

let some of it isn't let you in. but some of it isn't it? exactly nana. yeah, yeah, yeah. well, do you look it? exactly nana. yeah, yeah, yeah.you.l, do you look it? exactly nana. yeah, yeah, yeah.you for do you look it? exactly nana. yeah, yeah, yeah.you for a do you look it? exactly nana. yeah, yeah, yeah.you for a bito you look it? exactly nana. yeah, yeah, yeah.you for a bit andj look it? exactly nana. yeah, yeah, yeah.you for a bit and then. after you for a bit and then. yeah, i mean, but they make it difficult people are difficult for the people who are genuine this, which is not genuine to do this, which is not a good thing. >> yeah. no, i'm at the point that it's to come here. that it's easier to come here. it's here it's easier to come here illegally than it is to come here love. and shouldn't here for love. and it shouldn't be like that. >> what are your plans then? >> so what are your plans then? you guys? i mean, you're what are you hoping to do? because you're in the uk or you're now living in the uk or you're now living in the uk or you're in rwanda? in the uk you're both in rwanda? in the uk , yeah, we live in uk. >> we got four in rwanda for some holidays because i run a salon there remotely with my with my family. yeah so we keep going in rwanda actually. are we going in rwanda actually. are we going this christmas? >> yeah . nice to have somewhere >> yeah. nice to have somewhere to go. somewhere else to go. >> but, but london is the best. >> but, but london is the best. >> yeah. so. so this is where we'll live and visit rwanda on a regular basis. yeah >> so there's absolutely nothing wrong with rwanda, is there? no, nothing wrong. there you go. so if anybody if you're watching

now and you're saying, oh, rwanda, all the lot of left wing people you can't go to people saying you can't go to rwanda, there's nothing wrong with thank so with it. nothing. thank you so much. and simon, thank you much. coco and simon, thank you so for sharing so much for sharing your love story. like story . story. we like a love story. wonderful. right? that was outside . that, of course, was outside. that, of course, was coco simon danczuk. welcome. outside. that, of course, was ccyou simon danczuk. welcome. outside. that, of course, was ccyou just'>imon danczuk. welcome. outside. that, of course, was ccyou just tuned danczuk. welcome. outside. that, of course, was ccyou just tuned in. czuk. welcome. outside. that, of course, was ccyou just tuned in. just. welcome. if you just tuned in. just coming after coming up to 15 minutes after 5:00, is gb news. we 5:00, this is gb news. we are the people's channel on the way. the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. is it time to the great british debate this hour. hs2 is it time to the great british debate this hour. hs2 ? is it time to the great british debate this hour. hs2 ? but is it time to the great british debate this hour. hs2 ? but first, time to the great british debate this hour. hs2 ? but first, let's to the great british debate this hour. hs2 ? but first, let's get scrap hs2? but first, let's get an update with your weather that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. i'm greg jewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. we have showers along the spells of rain over the next few days, turning very windy as we head towards the middle of the week and low pressure generally dominates the next few days. however, monday we could see some drier weather for time some drier weather for a time before and wind before further rain and wind moves we moves in, particularly as we head towards wednesday. and it's a picture for parts of

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michael portillo gb news britain's news . michael portillo gb news britain's news. channel >> it'sjust britain's news. channel >> it's just gone 20 minutes after 5:00. welcome on board. if you've just tuned in, where on earth have you been this is gb news. the people's news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live and on live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's time, though, for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, it time to scrap hs2? asking, is it time to scrap hs2? the sunday telegraph has the says the potential cost of phase two of the high speed line running from birmingham to manchester has increased by £8 billion. so even members of the cabinet are admitting it's the cost to the country can ill afford. and during a cost of living crisis, the chancellor, jeremy hunt , living crisis, the chancellor, jeremy hunt, has admitted he is

out of control , whilst transport out of control, whilst transport secretary shapps has secretary grant shapps has called it irresponsible to keep ploughing cash into the project when money be used locally when money could be used locally instead , said labour sadiq instead, said labour mayor sadiq khan says that hs2 is a colossal waste of public money, whilst former conservative prime minister david cameron and boris johnson have encouraged rishi sunak to stick with phase two linking manchester and birmingham . now the prime birmingham. now the prime minister and the chancellor are expected to decide the fate of the second phase within days. but with the conservative party conference set to be held in manchester week, timing manchester next week, the timing of leaks very interesting of these leaks very interesting indeed. i'm asking, though, indeed. but i'm asking, though, is it time to scrap hs2? so joining to discuss is stephen joining me to discuss is stephen pound, labour party mep vicky pryce, chief economic adviser. benedict spence, political commentator and neil parish, former conservative mp neil parish, i'm going to start with you . it's like two of hs2. parish, i'm going to start with you. it's like two of hs2. is it time to scrap it? it's costing a fortune , yes. fortune, yes. >> nana. >> nana. >> i think it is absolutely the time to scrap it. i think you

would be better off, actually doing up the networks across the country and spending a fraction of that money. >> i think the value for for money the new line is not there . i think levelling up happens across wants to be in the west. the east as well as the north and i think the trouble is it would suck up all all resources. and i think the whole thing has just seemed to spiral right out of control. >> think you're talking >> when you think you're talking about extra 8 billion, that's about an extra 8 billion, that's not the total cost anywhere near. >> nean >> and that is where i think we really need to share the money. electrification upgrading the lines in the west coast. we we've got a honiton to honiton waterloo line. >> you could double check that one. lots of things could be done all across the country. a lot cheaper and in the north as well . well. >> and so like i said, i think it's just really pouring everything into one particular pot . and of course, we don't pot. and of course, we don't have the money. we're borrowing

money all the time . and i think money all the time. and i think people are very , very concerned people are very, very concerned about hs2 . about hs2. >> but i would just like to see what resources there are actually shared more evenly across the country . across the country. >> okay. but at the expense, i think , look, i mean, this is think, look, i mean, this is clearly something that has got catastrophically expensive, but does anybody actually trust that this money would be spent better going into other services? >> don't, because >> i simply don't, because i think that hs2 is simply the largest, most obvious example of planning, of a planning system in this country that doesn't work, that isn't fit for purpose. now, since we started building , other countries building hs2, other countries across europe have managed to complete significant numbers of high speed railways. spain italy being very good examples and actually, you know, the point is that they didn't cost so much because there aren't quite so many interests, there many special interests, there aren't hoops to aren't quite so many hoops to jump aren't quite so many hoops to jump and this the jump through. and this is the thing you decide to cancel something like hs2, which i admit frankly admit i think is frankly ridiculous in terms how ridiculous in terms of how expensive it has got. but it

doesn't actually then doesn't mean actually that then magically get magically other things will get better, ultimately better, because ultimately the problems are the problems that hs2 faces are the same that other infrastructures facing . facing. >> well, be it sizewell c be it a third runway at heathrow, be it building houses that people need it things like wind need, be it things like wind farms across the country. >> we're facing something of a crisis of infrastructure building in that we are incapable of doing any of it. >> all means turn around >> so by all means turn around and say is too expensive. i and say hs2 is too expensive. i would that. but would agree with that. but ultimately it's not going to improve being improve anything else being built. we badly these >> and we badly need these things. being behind things. we are being left behind by our competitors. things. we are being left behind by butcompetitors. things. we are being left behind by but dorpetitors. things. we are being left behind by but do we :itors. things. we are being left behind by but do we but;. things. we are being left behind by but do we but do we really >> but do we but do we really need it? i mean, it will cut down the journey time from london and the west midlands will cut down the journey, time from one hour and 21 minutes to 52 minutes. i mean , do we really 52 minutes. i mean, do we really 7 52 minutes. i mean, do we really ? yeah. >> it also increases capacity , though. >> this is the point. >> this is the point. >> yeah, but nobody's travelling. but people aren't travelling. but people aren't travelling on trains as they did before. whole situation before. so the whole situation has changed again . has changed again. >> again, this is part of the government's grand idea about how of move

how we're going to sort of move to zero. to a net zero. >> believe in zero >> i don't believe in net zero particularly, sort particularly, but a sort of a postcard is actually building out train capacity. >> and if you want to do that, you need to do these sorts of things. i understand, you know, a of people would say who a lot of people would say who aren't particularly with a lot of people would say who aren idea, ticularly with a lot of people would say who aren idea,ticula say, with a lot of people would say who aren idea,ticula say, well, then that idea, we'd say, well, then it's but sort it's not necessary. but i'm sort of a neutral saying, of sat here as a neutral saying, if is what the government of sat here as a neutral saying, if you hat the government of sat here as a neutral saying, if you can't1e government of sat here as a neutral saying, if you can't justifyrnment wants, you can't justify scrapping upgrading your rail network because nobody expects that. into services that. putting it into services between liverpool, manchester, leeds or hull, nobody expects that that's going to either that that's going to work either because they'll the because they'll run into the same bureaucratic same kinds of bureaucratic problems, three times the problems, but three times the cost started cost they started with. >> price it's interesting >> vicky price it's interesting , we're talking also about birmingham to london, whereas of course it's announced course where it's been announced or at we think is going to or at least we think is going to be may be be announced or may be announced, about further announced, is about the further phase of hs2, which is from birmingham to manchester. >> given that the other one to leeds has already basically been scrapped. there is question scrapped. there is a question even about the value for money for phase if you like. the for phase one, if you like. the one birmingham. given that one for birmingham. given that we're not necessarily going to be this in 54 minutes

be able to do this in 54 minutes to central because it's to central london because it's not actually to be going not actually going to be going to london. so there is not actually going to be going to issue london. so there is not actually going to be going to issue there ion. so there is not actually going to be going to issue there and so there is not actually going to be going to issue there and you1ere is not actually going to be going to issue there and you probably an issue there and you probably asked me to come on this programme that be programme thinking that would be in whole project. in favour of the whole project. but look at but in reality, if you look at any well, most economic analysis that has been on the that has been done on this, the value money is not proven by value for money is not proven by to did to any extent. what they did originally was look at the whole thing to saving the thing in relation to saving the time you take to go from time that you take to go from london to birmingham, for example. and further up then of course, we all discover that we example. and further up then of courworke all discover that we example. and further up then of courwork from discover that we example. and further up then of courwork from from ver that we example. and further up then of courwork from from the that we example. and further up then of courwork from from the train. e example. and further up then of courwork from from the train. so can work from from the train. so there's not point saving there's not much point in saving that. course, we had to that. then of course, we had to redo this, had to redo redo this, so they had to redo it. but looking at the capacity issue, whether indeed you release capacity, not release a lot of capacity, not necessarily about the necessarily worrying about the fact that people have now changed quite significantly the way work . so they way in which they work. so they don't to the very don't go to the office very often. they travel as often. they don't travel as much. forecast for the much. and the forecast for the future are that, in this future are that, in fact this transport figures that had transport at figures that had been beginning are transport at figures that had bee going beginning are transport at figures that had bee going to beginning are transport at figures that had bee going to be beginning are transport at figures that had bee going to be there inning are transport at figures that had bee going to be there inrthe are not going to be there in the future. then third, they future. and then third, they added an extra element which is levelling up. so disentangling those various bits is going to

be very difficult also be very difficult and also disentangling phase it disentangling each phase of it and what what the real and seeing what what the real value money going to be. value for money is going to be. is it absolutely necessary now before any decision made and before any decision is made and we done at all. we haven't had that done at all. >> vicky, sometimes, i mean >> but vicky, sometimes, i mean , coming back to benedict's point that they probably point that they will probably spend something spend the money on something else. what to else. we don't know what to spend on anyway. but also spend it on anyway. but also there's lot of people there's a lot of people employed, what is it, 30,000 people or whatever it employed to keep this project going. so people or whatever it employed to ke

absolutely need it. we have a network which needs huge amount of attention and the birmingham to london route or the other way round well just benefit round may well just benefit london everyone will london because everyone will just to come down just be trying to come down rather it actually leading rather than it actually leading to levelling that we all to the levelling up that we all want to see. >> i suppose could all >> i suppose they could all start building that start building the pylons that we're need this zero we're going to need if this zero nonsense carries stephen nonsense carries on. stephen pound , no, no, no, no. pound no, no, no, no, no. >> may in the finest >> may i? in the finest tradition of gb news present an entirely alternative perspective on this one. >> are we the nation that invented the railway systems ? invented the railway systems? >> are we the nation which gave this system to the world? >> are we to slink away from this glorious proposal like whipped curs with our tail between our legs say the between our legs and say the spanish can do it, the japanese can do it. >> the italians can do it. >> the italians can do it. >> but we in this country cannot even it. even manage it. >> as far as i'm concerned, >> no, as far as i'm concerned, i want more freight off the roads, onto the rails. i want to increase the capacity. i want to make railways more make the railways more profitable socially profitable or socially acceptable, useful . acceptable, more useful. >> anyone who suggests for

>> and anyone who suggests for a minute that we should pull the plug minute that we should pull the plug on whingeing and plug on this is whingeing and whining slacking , whining and actually slacking, slinking away from something which be a glorious which should be a glorious achievement nation . achievement of this nation. >> can you imagine the contempt in which we would be held by the world if there already this nafion world if there already this nation can even manage build nation can even manage to build a railway line? >> well, they're already laughing because the other countries about countries have built about three in that space. we in the time that the space. we haven't one. and also haven't even built one. and also we gauge. we picked the wrong gauge. we should isambard should have picked isambard kingdom picked kingdom brunel's. we picked george it's too george stephenson's. it's too thin and we could have had much wider, that wider, wider rails and that would be better and would probably be better and help our capacity. neil parish, final you ? final word to you? >> yeah, just much as i love >> yeah, just as much as i love stephen pound, i think it's a case let's share money case of let's share the money across country . i think across the country. i think you'll find when it's paid for nationally, paid by for all nationally, it's paid by for all taxpayers. and i think the country wants to see it shared out, electrified a lot of the railways increase, the capacity, the signalling . let's do all the signalling. let's do all that before go on this vanity that before we go on this vanity project, is costing more project, which is costing more and more money. so i love stephen. i am to going disagree with him totally. this

afternoon. >> all right. so it's a yes or no, stephen, should we scrap hs2 ? >> absolutely 7 >> absolutely not, because vicky price , yes or no? price, yes or no? >> yes . and not worry about the >> yes. and not worry about the sunk costs at all that we've spent expense? >> absolutely not. >> absolutely not. >> no. and finally, neil parish i >> -- >> yes, most definitely . >> yes, most definitely. >> yes, most definitely. >> right. well, listen, thank you so much for your thoughts. really good to talk to you all. that's of course, neil parish, former conservative mp we had benedict spence, political commentator pryce chief commentator vicky pryce, chief economic also economic adviser, and also stephen pound, labour stephen pound, former labour party . well, this is gb news party mp. well, this is gb news on tv , online and digital on tv, online and on digital radio. what your views ? radio. what are your views? vaiews@gbnews.com me vaiews@gbnews.com or tweet me at coming up , vaiews@gbnews.com or tweet me at coming up, we'll at gb news. coming up, we'll continue with the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, is it time to hs2? you'll it time to scrap hs2? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, broadcaster journalist danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. also former labour adviser matthew laterza. but first, let's get your latest news headlines tatiana news headlines with tatiana sanchez.

>> nana. thank you and good afternoon. this is the latest military personnel could be drafted in to cover for metropolitan police firearms officers after dozens are thought to have withdrawn from armed duty . the protest is thought to have withdrawn from armed duty. the protest is in response to a colleague being charged with the murder of chris kaba. suella braverman has ordered a review into the situation. 24 year old kaba was unarmed and died when he was shot in his car in south london last year . shot in his car in south london last year. former transport secretary grant shapps says it would be irresponsible to keep ploughing money into hs2 plans. the sunday telegraph claims the potential cost of the high speed rail scheme has increased by £8 billion, which chancellor jeremy hunt says is out of control . the hunt says is out of control. the government has refused to deny the birmingham to manchester leg is to be curtailed with the planned line to east midlands parkway also under threat . rishi parkway also under threat. rishi sunakis parkway also under threat. rishi sunak is planning to cut inheritance tax and could announce the policy before next month's party conference. the

sunday times claims the prime minister is planning to reduce the rate by march before scrapping it altogether , with scrapping it altogether, with his team referring to it as the most hated tax in britain , most hated tax in britain, inheritance tax is levied at 40, but the vast majority of couples can pass on £1 million to their children without paying a penny. it's one of a number of long term policies that may be implemented before the next general election. as the tories attempt to overturn labour's lead the polls and in the lead in the polls and in the last few minutes, a space capsule carrying nasa's first asteroid samples has been recovered by helicopter from its landing site in the utah desert . the specimen is a remnant of our early solar system, which scientists believe can shed light on how the planets formed and life on our planet began , and life on our planet began, which is estimated to be 4.5 million years old. nasa has collected the sample from the bennu asteroid after a seven year long mission , fragments year long mission, fragments will be studied by scientists from the university of

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7:00 this evening. gb news the people's . channel good afternoon. >> if you just tuned in, welcome on board. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. it's fast approaching . 38 it's fast approaching. 38 minutes after 5:00. i'm nana akua. and it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is it time to scrap net zero? no hs2 , another scrap net zero? no hs2, another one. and so many of them. the sunday telegraph says that potential cost of phase two of the high speed line running from birmingham to manchester has increased now, increased by £8 billion. now, the chancellor, jeremy has the chancellor, jeremy hunt, has admitted it's out of control, whilst transport secretary grant shapps it shapps has called it irresponsible all to keep simply ploughing cash into the project when money could be used locally instead. labour mayor sadiq khan says that hs2 is a colossal

waste of public money. he could talk, so i'm asking is it time to scrap it? let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined now by former labour adviser matthew lanza. also a broadcaster danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. right, danny kelly. danny kelly. right, danny kelly. danny kelly. boy, danny kelly. >> is it going to scrap it? i think it's turned into a white elephant. i think it was a bit of a white elephant the of a white elephant from the offset. talking about elephant. >> yeah. look it's well over there, slightly less, slightly less of an elephant. >> and . and i do £30 billion and >> and. and i do £30 billion and then 55. and then it's turned into the thick end of £100 billion. it's humiliating. it really is. i think it's humiliating on a domestic stage. i know stephen pound, who i'm a great admirer of, loves to get all and patriotic. all nostalgic and patriotic. i don't think the rest of the world are going to point at us and think we need to and laugh. i think we need to accept. we need to concede that an error has been made and i think from the think from, again, from the south—east and i drove 96 miles to here, back and 96 on to get here, 96 back and 96 on the way matthew i think the way back. matthew i think people in the south—east are

over estimating the importance and significance of what it and the significance of what it means people in midlands means to people in the midlands and means to people like and what it means to people like me. liverpool, me. a scouser from liverpool, but the midlands it's but working in the midlands it's only let's let's be only relevant and let's let's be honest about if you get honest about this. if you get the to london or if you the train to london or if you get train from birmingham to get the train from birmingham to liverpool, i don't know many people. maybe it's just a personal that get the personal thing that get the train to london liverpool train to london and liverpool and why , if that's the and leave and why, if that's the case, and if it's such a tiny percentage of the population, why we wasting £100 billion why are we wasting £100 billion on it? well, let's face it, it's probably cheaper to fly. >> if you looked at the >> i mean, if you looked at the pnces >> i mean, if you looked at the prices , particular train . prices, particular train. >> so, look, i think we i don't think we should scrap it because we've gone too far. i certainly wouldn't start from here if we were blank sheet of were having a blank sheet of papen were having a blank sheet of paper. from paper. i wouldn't start from here in any way, shape or form. i think that would spend the i think that we would spend the money east west money on those east west connection across the connection lines across the north, the kind of the real superhighway, know . so the superhighway, you know. so the rail is a good alternative rail line is a good alternative to which gets blocked to the m62, which gets blocked up between leeds, manchester, liverpool and then the other way

to hull. but it is a national humiliation. it's going to it basically will be money that is wasted if we don't finish it, because apparently there is some theory journeys could be theory that journeys could be slower if we don't finish it than they are now. never mind shaving minutes it shaving a few minutes off, it could slower. let's could even be slower. so let's get let's finish the get on with it. let's finish the job let's learn lessons. job and let's learn the lessons. and were lot of lessons and there were a lot of lessons to be learned. >> yes, all those people in >> yes, but all those people in their you they take their cars, you know, they take a to go the a long time to go on the whatever is. are not whatever it is. they are not going the train. well, going to take the train. well, there nobody takes train there is nobody takes the train anymore because always anymore because they're always on strike for staff. >> is a big issue. and that >> that is a big issue. and that needs to be sorted out. >> harder striking. don't >> harder than striking. i don't want >> harder than striking. i don't wari mean, the on the east >> i mean, on the on the east coast line, the know, coast line, the you know, the other the country, the other side of the country, the edinburgh to london, rather than the to london the glasgow to london line, as it were, actually are it were, actually numbers are now what they were now back up above what they were before pattern before covid. but the pattern is changing. not changing. people are not commuting they're commuting as much. they're using it more leisure travel. it more for leisure travel. they're using it, you know, more to i think we to go on holiday. so i think we need clearly, you know, because of massive impact of the of the massive impact of the pandemic, we wouldn't from pandemic, we wouldn't start from here. the flipping

here. but let's get the flipping thing worst thing here. but let's get the flipping th vicky worst thing here. but let's get the flipping th vicky was worst thing here. but let's get the flipping th vicky was sayingworst thing here. but let's get the flipping th vicky was saying in rst thing is vicky was saying in the debate is that at the moment it's not going to come to london. it's going to not london. it's going to stop, not in of london. it's london. it's going to stop, not in to of london. it's london. it's going to stop, not in to stop of london. it's london. it's going to stop, not in to stop in london. it's london. it's going to stop, not in to stop in lon sort it's london. it's going to stop, not in to stop in lon sort ofs going to stop in this sort of this interchange in this interchange somewhere in west an west london that nobody's on an industrial estate. well, that's old oak common, which is not his real back neasden old oak common, which is not his r> i think as a scouser working in midlands travelling in the midlands and travelling to london, we need to to london, i think we need to accept the south east will accept that the south east will always prominence always have have more prominence when to life in the when it comes to life in the united kingdom and borisjohnson united kingdom and boris johnson once again appealing to the red wall and i remember him wall voters. and i remember him famously as hand is famously saying as your hand is quivering over which box to tick, you know, talking to northerners, he was going on about also a part of about brexit, but also a part of his manifesto his pledge to his manifesto and his pledge to the this levelling up. the north was this levelling up. so he talks a great game or he talked a great game . i think the talked a great game. i think the nonh talked a great game. i think the north knows its position the north knows its position in the united kingdom and importance. i really and i think, again, really do. and i think, again, it's great say we're going to it's great to say we're going to level you up, but also we're realistic east is

realistic that the south east is where happening, realistic that the south east is where happening , whether realistic that the south east is whemassiveappening , whether realistic that the south east is whemassive business, whether realistic that the south east is whemassive business or'hether realistic that the south east is whemassive business or whether it's massive business or whether it's massive business or whether it's where people want to, whether i don't i don't necessarily think there's been i think we've seen transfer, you know, birmingham, know, liverpool, birmingham, manchester been transformed. >> think what the people who >> i think what the people who feel really left behind are the people get people in the towns. they get caught satellite towns caught between satellite towns around big satellite towns, around big satellite towns, around which around the big cities which are thriving. it's thriving. and that's why it's a shame isn't being shame the money isn't being spent connecting them. shame the money isn't being spent they onnecting them. shame the money isn't being spent they were :ting them. shame the money isn't being spent they were goingiem. shame the money isn't being spent they were going to 1. shame the money isn't being spent they were going to improve >> if they were going to improve the infrastructure, i'd to the infrastructure, i'd like to see it going east west rather than so than absolutely we were so should be doing that. >> finish what >> but let's finish what we've got. >> finish it then? why >> well, why finish it then? why finish a white finish something that is a white elephant? danny'swords, elephant? in danny's words, and it's going deliver it's not really going to deliver anything. cuts journey times anything. it cuts journey times by 20 minutes, there'll be by 20 minutes, so there'll be greater because if greater capacity on because if we will it will we don't, it will just it will be pointless and be just literally pointless and we will absolutely wasted we will have absolutely wasted the money. we will have absolutely wasted the so yney. we will have absolutely wasted the so get. we will have absolutely wasted the so get it done. bring it to >> so get it done. bring it to how much more though we could spend it business at some point. >> you're just throwing good money in business, money after bad and in business, you have to accept made you have to accept you've made a bad purchase. whether it's me and my business outside. and i buy duff car, i need to accept buy a duff car, i need to accept that bought a lemon.

that i've bought a lemon. >> when you buy >> what do you do when you buy a lemon? >> well, do you know what about six weeks ago, had around six weeks ago, i had around about of bills about £10,000 worth of bills that to because that i had to pay because i bought cars . and i have to bought bad cars. and i have to take on chin . i have to take that on the chin. i have to take that on the chin. i have to take that on the chin. and i have to accept a business model that an but that i've made an error, but i need to move forward and i need to i need to accept the to accept, i need to accept the error and i'm not error i've made and i'm not going to throw more money at that draw that error. i need to draw a line in the and say, look, line in the sand and say, look, i've up here, so let's i've messed up here, so let's just in the sand. just draw a line in the sand. forget about it and move forward. i think the forward. and i think the government that. or government needs to do that. or the alternative throwing £60 the alternative is throwing £60 billion at it. >> about some the >> what about some of the stations that they may have started? quite started? they haven't quite finished. there's things i mean, harvard actually finished. there's things i mean, harveto actually finished. there's things i mean, harveto finish actually finished. there's things i mean, harveto finish that actually finished. there's things i mean, harveto finish that half,ually surely. >> yeah. look, i think we've certainly need to get the london to bit finished to birmingham bit finished as soon i soon as possible. and then i think we need a sensible debate about how the extensions are going and the going to work and what is the least least option. what least least bad option. what happened on crossrail is they got the person it got rid of the person running it and somebody new in charge. got rid of the person running it and thinkymebody new in charge. got rid of the person running it and think we body new in charge. got rid of the person running it and think we body new needlarge. got rid of the person running it and think we body new need thee. so i think we need we need the biggest, biggest not brain. biggest, the biggest not brain. we but the most

we can find, but the most practical, person in there. >> one final thing i wonder what would happen if that had started at north work downward. would happen if that had started at think:h work downward. would happen if that had started at think:h shoulddownward. would happen if that had started at think:h shoulddown\shut >> i think they should have shut it down. >> w- it down. >> what would have >> i wonder what would have happened. i think they should. >> i think should >> i don't think they should have that. i don't know why >> i don't think they should have started1at. i don't know why >> i don't think they should have started 1at london. know why >> i don't think they should have started 1at london. london hy they started in london. london is densely connected. >> they they had >> may i suggest they they had this their sleeve. let's this up their sleeve. let's start in london in the cost start in london in case the cost spiral of control. spiral out of control. >> so. and a of >> well, maybe so. and a lot of developers benefited developers have benefited through the rail links nearing their areas . and has their areas. and also it has increased the house prices because you are to a because the nearer you are to a connection, better. so connection, then the better. so which done which which crossrail's done to which is crossrail is exactly what crossrail has done so do have a done as well. so i do have a little bit of cynicism and i'm probably on that probably joining you on that one. but this show nothing one. but this show is nothing without views. one. but this show is nothing withoucome views. one. but this show is nothing withoucome out views. one. but this show is nothing withoucome out great. iews. one. but this show is nothing withoucome out great. british that's come out great. british voices, opportunity to be on voices, the opportunity to be on the us what they the show and tell us what they think topics we're think about the topics we're discussing. i've got three of you you so far. you only three of you so far. let's start with dr. ashley moody. there the moody. she's there in the middle. we middle. listen do you think we should. scrap hs2. should. it's time to scrap hs2. >> good afternoon, nana. it's such an interesting debate . such an interesting debate. >> i don't think necessarily i do understand that it's really costly and that's why it's

compelling to stop the hs2 plans . but i think i agree with matt and with stephen. >> i think we need to go ahead with the hs2. a lot of money has been invested . and in terms of been invested. and in terms of trains being an important transport measure for a lot of people travelling into london and to obviously the midlands and to obviously the midlands and other areas. i think the hs2 would provide a really good railway network for that . so railway network for that. so i think it needs to go ahead. nana okay. >> ladies first, let's go to miranda richardson , not the miranda richardson, not the miranda richardson, not the miranda richardson, not the miranda richardson, but miranda richardson in northamptonshire. miranda what do you think ? nana afternoon. >> you know, i'm a little bit in the same camp as danny. >> really , that to be honest, we >> really, that to be honest, we need to stop throwing good money after bad. >> it is getting bit >> it is getting a little bit crazy, but i think one of the things we also have to think this rising costs, you this this rising costs, if you like, if you look in anywhere in the industry, anywhere like, if you look in anywhere in the you industry, anywhere like, if you look in anywhere in the you go industry, anywhere like, if you look in anywhere in the you go and jstry, anywhere like, if you look in anywhere in the you go and purchase nhere that you go and purchase something from any of the major builders suppliers, you're builders and suppliers, you're already paying more even

already paying more money. even as householder, paying as a householder, we're paying more the cost of all of this is >> so the cost of all of this is going to escalate anyway, and it's necessarily tied with it's not necessarily tied with the itself, just general the project itself, just general costs rising , so we're costs are rising, so we're always going to look like idiots for starting a project that we can't that's can't finish. that's that's standard but i think standard for us. but i think one thing we to about, thing we have to think about, you know, high speed train travel, is going travel, i think is going to be a little bit like concorde and not necessary while. necessary after a while. >> links right. necessary after a while. >> i links right. necessary after a while. >> i was links right. necessary after a while. >> i was due1ks right. necessary after a while. >> i was due to right. necessary after a while. >> i was due to rigto manchester >> i was due to go to manchester on on the train and on saturday on the train and i've now got a drive there on strike. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> so who's it helping? >> so who's it helping? >> yeah, they're not helping themselves. and leigh webb in in bedford. >> what i think there >> you know what i think there needs to be a real big look at how this whole project is being run . because why? we can't do a run. because why? we can't do a project like this. and i think it should be done for capacity for national pride and also for getting up there a little bit faster because i've i've, i've used hs1 and getting into canterbury when i used to do it in my army days, used to take

about four hours. that's taken two hours. that's from my hometown in bedford . so hs2 hometown in bedford. so hs2 should also happen as a national project and we need to be looking at that. who is responsible going responsible for going over budget? responsible for budget? who is responsible for wasting money and we need to be doing things like this and planning hell lot better. planning a hell of a lot better. and think it's a shame that it and i think it's a shame that it is going to go up to birmingham and think the northern of and i think the northern part of it, birmingham, probably it, beyond birmingham, probably isn't we need isn't going to happen. we need to at why that isn't to be looking at why that isn't going why projects going to happen and why projects like this just kind cost like this just kind of cost so much budgeting . much and always over budgeting. >> well, listen, you so >> well, listen, thank you so much thoughts. much for your thoughts. my great british webb there british voices. lee webb there in bedford, stephanie in milton keynes, in keynes, and also miranda in northamptonshire. you northamptonshire. thank you for your always pleasure . your views. always a pleasure. thank so much. nike makes me thank you so much. nike makes me reminds time before reminds me of the time before the was built and i used to the m25 was built and i used to live in and used live in essex and we used to come would take us come to london. it would take us four hours, but it was great because we'd always stop at four hours, but it was great beceand we'd always stop at four hours, but it was great beceand w> yeah, they're all great memories. >> memories, food. memories. >> yeah ories, food. memories. >> yeah .ries, food. memories. >> yeah . now,ood. you get

>> yeah. now, now you just get stuck the m25 for four hours stuck on the m25 for four hours instead. stuck on the m25 for four hours instyou can't drive? >> you can't drive? >> you can't drive? >> fair enough. fair enough. you need learn . need to learn. >> only if give me lessons. >> only if you give me lessons. >> only if you give me lessons. >> . right. enough. >> okay. all right. fair enough. i that. i'm not a very, i can do that. i'm not a very, to be honest. i'm a great to be honest. i'm not a great teacher, and i'm not very patient. you probably would regret patient. you probably would reg you'd firm. >> you'd be firm. >> you'd be firm. >> would be firm, fair. >> that would be firm, but fair. but another but moving on to another story now, a pair of legs that now, i say a pair of legs that caught eye. angela rippon caught my eye. and angela rippon has viewers with her has flawed viewers with her flexibility on strictly last night. my god, yes. the 78 year old whipped around the dancefloor, her silver dancefloor, shaking her silver tassels , finishing the routine tassels, finishing the routine with splits as her with a mid—air, splits as her leg helped into position by no other than her hunky partner, kai widdrington , as the series's kai widdrington, as the series's oldest contestant is angela putting up all us to all shame with her high kicks or was it time she put it all away? oh no. look at that. look at now if you're watching. she's doing this. here comes the high kick. look, look. she's leg up. look, look. she's got a leg up. look, look. she's got a leg up. look, look, look. it's look, look, look, look. it's like like a clock going like a clock. like a clock going to 12:00. very good. wow to 12:00. like very good. wow thatis to 12:00. like very good. wow that is our angela rippon gb

news. very own matthew lasalle . yes. >> well, i had the honour of producing angela rippon. i used to work. yes, i used to work on rip i the rip off britain. i was the series producer there. and she is, she does gloria is, which she does with gloria hunniford somerville. hunniford and julia somerville. fantastic of women fantastic trio of older women showing nobody showing just that, that nobody they still got it . and she's the they still got it. and she's the most professional person that i've ever worked with out at, you know, out and about. she would, you know, she was in her 70s already. she would carry the tri pod. know, would do tri pod. you know, she would do her own make up. she's, you know, she's fabulous. is know, she's fabulous. and she is she's it. i think she's she's slaying it. i think she's going to win. >> she'll win as well. >> i think she'll win as well. dannyi >> i think she'll win as well. danny i don't it. danny i don't watch it. >> wife howling with >> my wife was howling with laughter. do with laughter. something to do with les in his hearing. this laughter. something to do with les make] his hearing. this laughter. something to do with les make sense earing. this laughter. something to do with les make sense ifiring. this laughter. something to do with les make sense if you. this laughter. something to do with les make sense if you didis would make sense if you did watch. the whole watch. i haven't seen the whole thing, seen the clips. thing, but i've seen the clips. but i think it's great. angela rippon. only good things, rippon. i hear only good things, just like matthew reminded me about lady. just like matthew reminded me abo good lady. just like matthew reminded me abo good forady. just like matthew reminded me abo good for her. believe it when >> good for her. believe it when she gb i thought, she said gb news. i thought, wow, a legend. somebody wow, this is a legend. somebody what tv for years? what did she on tv for years? yeah. so does gb news, yeah. so she does gb news, you know, mornings. the know, in the mornings. on the weekends. it's time for weekends. but now it's time for supplements sunday my supplements sunday where my panel discuss the

panel and i discuss some of the news caught our news stories that caught our eyes. to start with eyes. i'm going to start with you, which is about the you, danny, which is about the 20mph speed limit in wales. you, danny, which is about the 20mp more ed limit in wales. you, danny, which is about the 20mpmoreed less in wales. you, danny, which is about the 20mpmoreed less universally yeah, more or less universally unpopular, hated. yeah, more or less universally unfbutlar, hated. yeah, more or less universally unfbut mark hated. yeah, more or less universally unfbut mark drakefords, hated. yeah, more or less universally unfbut mark drakefords, quote >> but mark drakefords, quote unquote, insane. 20 mile an hour speed already taken unquote, insane. 20 mile an hour spetoll already taken unquote, insane. 20 mile an hour spetoll the already taken unquote, insane. 20 mile an hour spetoll the welsh dy taken unquote, insane. 20 mile an hour spetoll the welsh economy its toll on the welsh economy because are likely because tourists are less likely to of getting to run the risk of getting a speeding fine. hoteliers are saying are saying that people are cancelling . the cancelling bookings. the hotelier called i can't hotelier fella called i can't remember what it was. bryn someone, jones says. i've someone, baron jones says. i've never this embarrassed to never felt this embarrassed to be a welsh person. i am proud to be a welsh person. i am proud to be proud to be british be welsh and proud to be british coach getting be welsh and proud to be british coach of getting be welsh and proud to be british coach of course, getting be welsh and proud to be british coach of course, the atting be welsh and proud to be british coach of course, the revs are fined. of course, the revs are higher and the co2 emissions are higher and the co2 emissions are higher and the co2 emissions are higher and you're going at a snail's pace and it's just counterproductive . well, counterintuitive. >> matthew doesn't drive. i do. i know loads of people who are now facing almost driving bans for going 25, 30, 27. >> it must be a nightmare for normal drivers who would normally go 30. >> then they suddenly find themselves literally crawled up. it's difficult can it's very difficult and you can find licence. find yourself without a licence. i to rethink i think they need to rethink that. matthew , i can't that. but matthew, i can't drive, so drive, but i'm a bit welsh, so but my story, my story is about

the skinny dipping the north—east. >> these brave who go >> these brave folk who go skinny dipping in the north sea and, north and, you know, love the north east. it even on a decent east. i do it even on a decent september day. it's a wee bit chilly off the northumberland coast. they've raised over ten 100,000, not 10,000 for mind over the last decade. and they're also doing it as a way of marking the autumn equinox. you know , so it's kind of you know, so it's kind of getting in touch with the rhythms, the rhythms of the calendar, which i rather like, you know , not not a kind of you know, not not a kind of hwy you know, not not a kind of hippy way, but just in a kind of acknowledging you could do your. >> craig with your little >> daniel craig with your little blue speedos. >> you don't want to see your no. for yours as well. >> well, i actually. well, >> well, i could actually. well, the say what the fear of having to say what you another stone or two. well listen now this is my supplement . now this one i quite like because there's been a rise in underground barbie showings in russia, along with the surge in the number of russians wearing pink and dressing like barbie. so what i thought because i love barbie, i love the whole movie and everything else. so i thought, you know, you can go on

the website and make your own barbie. i've made own barbie. so i've made my own barbie. so i've made my own barbie. to show you barbie. i'm going to show you this is me as barbie. this is this is me as barbie. look at me. look good. look at me. i look good. hey, that's face. that's my face. >> have very good, even more >> you have very good, even more glamorous. listen, you're glamorous. listen, if you're listening on radio, you need to go app. go and download the app. >> there's another one on me as well, where bit more well, where i'm a bit more serious barbie with serious in my barbie face with me barbie. me on the barbie. >> you'll tweet as >> and you'll tweet them as well. >> and you'll tweet them as welthere's of them. there's >> there's two of them. there's two of them. this part that's not me. that's me. that's you, matthew. not me. that's me. that's you, ma'ihew. i look kind like >> i think i look kind of like fenella fielding. do you remember? of. yeah. remember? you sort of. yeah. yeah big eyebrows. remember? you sort of. yeah. yeashould)ig eyebrows. remember? you sort of. yeah. yeashould)ig eyebwhat danny >> should we see what danny looks barbie? yeah. go looks like as barbie? yeah. go on. have a look. i haven't on. let's have a look. i haven't seen danny's barbie. on. let's have a look. i haven't seewow. danny's barbie. on. let's have a look. i haven't seewow. oh danny's barbie. on. let's have a look. i haven't seewow. oh just. 1y's barbie. >> wow. oh just. >> wow. oh just. >> just to show you, a woman can have a penis after all. >> have a penis. >> yes, they can have a penis. >> yes, they can have a penis. >> i love it. >>- >> i love it. >> you're a blondie as well. you're good. have you you're looking good. have you got merge as got do you go for the merge as well on barbie? >> i saw today when i was queuing pay for something queuing to pay for something a barbie mat. could have barbie yoga mat. i could have bought for you. barbie yoga mat. i could have b0lokay, for you. barbie yoga mat. i could have b0lokay, for take that. i'll >> okay, i'll take that. i'll take anything next time. i thought, that's take anything next time. i tho right. that's take anything next time. i tho right. i'll that's take anything next time. i tho right. i'll take that's take anything next time. i tho right. i'll take a that's take anything next time. i tho right. i'll take a barbieat's all right. i'll take a barbie yoga mat. was it pink? >> pink the barbie logo on >> pink with the barbie logo on

it? they will literally put it? but they will literally put barbie they, barbie on anything, won't they, now? so it's now? because it's just so it's such a huge hit. >> guys the >> and have you guys seen the movie? you've seen the movie? >> no. think going >> no, no, no. i think i'm going to conscientiously object to watching it. >> em >> oh, matthew loves it. i haven't. and haven't. but i will go and i will wear some pink. >> well, at least you know what you like as a barbie. you look like as a barbie. >> absolutely. there you go. >> absolutely. there you go. >> you there's >> absolutely. there you go. >> barbies. you there's >> absolutely. there you go. >> barbies. you ou there's >> absolutely. there you go. >> barbies. you ou know's our barbies. you didn't know that. i next week as >> if i come next week as barbie, next time. >> yeah. in pink. yeah. that'll be looked. i didn't think it >> you looked. i didn't think it was but looked was possible, but you looked even hotter and i didn't think that was possible. oh, listen to me. >> loving. he's fishing >> he's a loving. he's fishing for compliments. >> i'm hopefully going to be ianed >> i'm hopefully going to be invited miles. 96 miles. >> there is. there he is. >> there he is. there he is. matthew barbie. if you matthew year's barbie. if you missed let's a look missed it. and let's have a look at danny kelly. this is my, at our danny kelly. this is my, i danny yeah. i think, one danny kelly. yeah. which actually goes to prove that a man can have look at that a man can have a look at that a man can have a look at that have a penis. that man can have a penis. >> you're right. a woman, even. >> you're right. a woman, even. >> and hither come >> and come hither and come hither come hither eyes. >> fl f-l f" >> what is it? loving it on today's show, out the gb today's show, check out the gb views download show views app. download the show there the show there or why not stream the show live or check us out live on youtube or check us out on it'll be down on youtube? it'll all be down

there. today's show i've there. but on today's show i've been are you warming been asking, are you warming to rac sunak? according to our rac sunak? and according to our twitter you say twitter poll, 26.3% of you say yes. 73.7% say no. oh, yes. 73.7% of you say no. oh, dean yes. 73.7% of you say no. oh, dear. thank you so much my dear. thank you so much to my panel dear. thank you so much to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. thank you. you much. and also you. thank you so much. and also former labour adviser matthew lanza. >> thank you. my pleasure. >> thank you. my pleasure. >> a pleasure and a huge thank you to you at home for your company ever, it's been company as ever, it's been a pleasure. forward pleasure. i look forward to seeing week. time, pleasure. i look forward to seeingplace week. time, pleasure. i look forward to seeingplace at week. time, pleasure. i look forward to seeingplace at 3:00.k. time, pleasure. i look forward to seeingplace at 3:00. i'll time, pleasure. i look forward to seeingplace at 3:00. i'll leave me, same place at 3:00. i'll leave you with the weather. have a fabulous week. good night. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to the week ahead, it is certainly going to remain unsettled, especially middle of the very the week, potentially turn very windy some of us. back to windy for some of us. back to the here and now and we have got low pressure generally dominating atlantic. dominating in the atlantic. >> in >> that's going to bring in bands rain as we go through bands of rain as we go through the next 24 hours. >> note that the tightly >> and note that the tightly packed isobars indicating it's going to be very windy.

>> the situation as we >> so here's the situation as we end got a band of rain end sunday got a band of rain spreading the country. >> some heavy pulses on it. country. >> some heavy pulses on it . and >> some heavy pulses on it. and it's be a fairly windy it's going to be a fairly windy night, especially across the northern country , northern half of the country, turning a little bit drier and clearer we clearer across the south as we end night and for all of us, end the night and for all of us, it's going to be a fairly mild one. >> temperatures staying in double figures. >> start monday on >> so we start monday off on a fairly many >> so we start monday off on a fairly of many >> so we start monday off on a fairly of england many >> so we start monday off on a fairly of england and many >> so we start monday off on a fairly of england and wales.y parts of england and wales. still some overnight still maybe some overnight rain to with across very to contend with across the very far really the far southeast. and really the day going to be a mixture of day is going to be a mixture of sunshine and scattered showers. the showers mainly focussed across of across more northern parts of the country could some the country, could see some heavy for scotland and heavy showers for scotland and northern ireland too, and quite a day, especially again a breezy day, especially again in the north. that may temper the temperatures up the temperatures somewhat up here, towards the here, but down towards the south—east feeling quite warm. >> tuesday , >> highs of 23 degrees tuesday, another day of sunny spells and scattered showers could see some heavy showers initially across the and then later on, the east. and then later on, this more organised band of rain spreading from the west. spreading in from the west. >> as we go through the course of the day. and that sets us up for a very windy middle part of

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when he was shot in his car in south london last year. when he was shot in his car in south london last year . the home south london last year. the home secretary says armed police have to make split second decisions and mustn't fear ending up in the dock for carrying out their dufies. the dock for carrying out their duties . former transport duties. former transport secretary grant shapps says it would be irresponsible to keep ploughing money into hs2 plans. the government has failed to deny reports claiming the manchester leg is set to be scrapped . the east midlands scrapped. the east midlands parkway line is also under threat. the sunday telegraph claims the potential cost of the high speed rail scheme has increased by £8 billion. the