radio and online. >> join the live desk on gb news. the people's channel, britain's news . news. the people's channel, britain's news. channel >> good morning. it's 9.30 on monday, the 20th of september. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and emily carver. yes. >> now soldiers are standby. >> now soldiers are on standby. the army called in the army is called in as london's officers hand london's firearm officers hand in their weapons after an officer was charged with the murder of chris kaba. gross act of vandalism. >> that's how the former chancellor, george osborne would describe scrapping the hs2 line to manchester. what do you think? >> bankrupt birmingham, the alexander stadium library of birmingham museum and art gallery could all go up for sale later as the labour council tries to balance the books and last orders calls for traditional pub phrases such as one for the road to be banned to discourage binge drinking . discourage binge drinking. >> oh dear. is anything sacred .

>> oh dear. is anything sacred. >> oh dear. is anything sacred. >> and as always, please do let us know what you think about those talking points, banning those talking points, banning those phrases is andrew stupid, stupid . stupid. >> me having a third vodka and tonic getting vodka and soda vodka and soda. >> but yes . get in touch. >> but yes. get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.uk com. but first, let's get the news with . first, let's get the news with. aaron very good morning to you. >> it is 931. aaron armstrong here in the gb newsroom in the last few minutes. rishi sunak has insisted he is committed to levelling up but has refused to address speculation. the northern leg of hs2 is to be scrapped. the prime minister wouldn't guarantee the birmingham to manchester leg will be completed. he will discuss it though with the chancellor this week with a decision expected before the tory party conference in

manchester next week. the planned line to east midlands parkway may also be under threat i >> -- >> this 5mm >> this kind of speculation that people are making is not right. i mean, we've got spades in the ground. we're getting on and delivering, but across the north, what we're also doing is connecting all the towns connecting up all the towns and cities north—east to cities in the north—east to west. that's a really important part of how we will create jobs, drive growth across the region, all part of our plans to level up are another good up freeports are another good example that, whether that's example of that, whether that's in or elsewhere, in teesside or elsewhere, attracting investment , new attracting new investment, new businesses coming in. all good examples the government examples of the government levelling up scotland yards, calling for changes to how armed police are held to account after dozens of officers have refused to go on firearms duty. >> some have stepped back from armed duties after a colleague was with the murder was charged with the murder of chris kaba , who shot in chris kaba, who was shot in south london last year. mark south london last year. sir mark rowley has welcomed a review into the situation by the home secretary, says police are secretary, but says police are being undermined by the current system, which is not set up to help them succeed. suella

braverman says officers must have their have the confidence to do their job. been put on job. the army has been put on standby to fill in the number of nhs appointments cancelled because of strikes in england is expected to surpass 1 million nhs providers estimate the first ever double strike action by junior doctors and consultants last week means the country will reach the milestone in figures set to be announced today. the organisation's deputy chief executive , saffron cordery, has executive, saffron cordery, has labelled it damaging and demoralising and says behind every day there is a real and human cost . well are plenty more human cost. well are plenty more to come throughout the morning here on gb news. there's also more on our website gbnews.com and now it's back to andrew and . emily >> well i'm here with emily carver, which is a complete joy for me. it's a delight . yeah. for me. it's a delight. yeah. and we've got a packed programme and a big issue and we're glad we've got some very strong political this morning. political guests this morning.

what to hs2? emily we what happens to hs2? emily we spent. what happens to hs2? emily we spent . £19 billion on it spent. £19 billion on it already, potentially another 11 million committed. and the prime minister may be about to ditch it , ditch the line from london it, ditch the line from london to manchester in the week. the tories are going to manchester for the tory conference. that's a great optic. >> no? yeah, it's a terrible optic, isn't it? and i mean, it was supposed from euston. was supposed to go from euston. yeah. it may be going from yeah. now it may be going from somewhere close to acton in west london. yeah. so i'm thinking if it stops at birmingham, who's going to even bother taking that line? >> well, it was also it was also supposed to going to leeds as well, but the leeds line was dropped earlier. now we think we're to manchester. we're going to drop manchester. so effectively we'll be so it's effectively we'll be spending £30 billion to get to birmingham ten minutes quicker. >> now, andrew, i'm not sure where cost benefit analysis where the cost benefit analysis has been good on this has ever been good on this project. is time to scrap the lot? >> well, you see, i don't think it is. but then when i read michael heseltine writing in the times we've got to keep, times that we've got to keep, i think perhaps i'm wrong because i can't possibly be in agreement

with because with michael heseltine because he's banging he's going to be banging on about back into the about going back into the european union at moment. so european union at any moment. so but it's but we wonder what you think it's think about it because it's a big, big story. and of course, andy burnham, the mayor of the mayor of the north, what do mayor of the north, the what do they the king of they call himself the king of they call himself the king of the will make with the north, he will make hay with it. well, the thing is, keir starmer they'd stick with it. >> labour saying they'd stick >> labour is saying they'd stick with they'd the whole with it. they'd do the whole thing. but little clip thing. but a little video clip has starmer has come out of keir starmer saying opposite. not saying the exact opposite. not too long ago in the house of commons. mr u—turn, mr u—turn there. >> and what do we about >> and what do we think about gordon brown, prime gordon brown, former prime minister? countries like minister? he says countries like saudi arabia should pay a climate tax. luck. are they climate tax. good luck. are they going get him to pay that? going to get him to pay that? >> windfall tax on >> then a windfall tax on countries , saudi countries like norway, saudi arabia, , probably all of arabia, qatar, probably all of these oil producing countries ? these oil producing countries? yeah, i'm sure they're going to say sure. yeah take our money. >> gordon he did try and save the world. if you remember, dunng the world. if you remember, during the 2008 financial bailout, and he did actually tell of i did tell the house of commons i did put together plan to save the put together a plan to save the

world was to world and what he meant was to save but it slipped save britain. but it slipped because he was , to be fair, a because he was, to be fair, a big key figure in the forming of g and all this. and it's not g 20 and all this. and it's not a idea, but how do you a bad idea, but how do you persuade saudi to do persuade saudi arabia to do anything don't to anything they don't want to do? i practically, it's a nonsense. >> it is. it's an absolute nonsense. and, you know, the self—imposed thinking self—imposed absence of thinking that you decide a policy for that you can decide a policy for the world is quite something . the world is quite something. >> well, self—importance of former prime ministers. there is a few like that mr tony blair for one. yeah. who's advising don't forget keir starmer. he is the ultimate backseat driver . the ultimate backseat driver. now, coming up, we are talking about soldiers which are on standby. it's reported more than 100 metropolitan police officers have laid down their firearms duties. >> yes, this is all over the front pages, actually. this is after a murder charge against one of their colleagues over the death the unarmed man, chris death of the unarmed man, chris kaba year. kaba, last year. >> his death sparked >> well, his death sparked protest the community with protest in the community with his they wouldn't his family saying they wouldn't rest justice. rest until they got justice. well by great coincidence, and we're delighted. in the studio with former defence with us, former defence secretary liam fox. liam, the

home suella braverman home secretary, suella braverman straight in there saying that she will ensure that the army, if necessary , step in. we're not if necessary, step in. we're not going to see the army on the streets, though, are we? isn't this be the sas this going to be the sas undercover involved in counter—terrorism if there counter—terrorism work if there is a gap with the police? >> first thing is to >> well, the first thing is to go first principle is, go back to first principle is, yeah, the duty first duty of government protect of the government is to protect of the public. they to do public. so they have to do whatever is required to make sure the public are sure that the public are protected. imagine that the protected. i imagine that the first thing will to to first thing will be to try to get other officers from other forces first. and if the gaps can't filled that then can't be filled that way, then elements might elements of the military might be used for that. the military are always ready. isn't about getting involved in that . but i getting involved in that. but i think you i think there are some really here really important issues here because as the government has because as if the government has a first duty to protect the public, they need the police to do it . so they the police do it. so they need the police to happy about the rules to be happy about the rules under which they're operating . under which they're operating. and not. and i'm and clearly they're not. and i'm very in line with the prime very much in line with the prime minister home secretary minister and the home secretary here that the police need to be

sure that they're following sure that when they're following the and the training the guidelines and the training that been given , that that they've been given, that they will be able to operate without being afraid of being in court. >> i hear that. but people some people will be thinking you've also got to ensure that citizens are protected from police officers who make that split second and it wrong. >> well, if about shooting a gun, sure. if they are following the rules and the training, that's one thing. and i think this is what the police are saying. we need to be sure that the that we receive and the training that we receive and the training that we receive and the under we operate the rules under which we operate will that when we will mean that when we are taking these split second decisions, we're not wondering at the back of our minds , should at the back of our minds, should i or shouldn't i? for legal reasons. now the police, of course , have to be held to course, have to be held to account for their actions like everybody not sure everybody else, but i'm not sure that the primary that that's quite the primary point the point that the point here. the point that the police is when we're police are making is when we're operating within the things that police are making is when we're opewere; within the things that police are making is when we're opewere taught| the things that police are making is when we're opewere taught to |e things that police are making is when we're opewere taught to do hings that police are making is when we're opewere taught to do ands that police are making is when we're opewere taught to do and the at we were taught to do and the rules that are set for us, shouldn't we reasonably expect that we don't end up as a result

of cps action in front of the courts ? courts? >> is it irresponsible, though, because some people will be looking at this and thinking perhaps it's a bit irresponsible of the police officers to do this? these officers this? these armed officers to put guns down, to say, you put their guns down, to say, you know what, we're not going to be out there and protect . is it out there and protect. is it is it reckless ? it reckless? >> it is to a point. i think most people, they signed up for this job. most people, they signed up for thisjob. most most people, they signed up for this job. most people will think that, that they also that, but that they also themselves will be saying, if we are to do our job and protect are to do ourjob and protect the public properly, we need to get the balance right. so it's one of these very difficult there's no absolute right or wrong on this. it's a question of degree and the it's of degree and the quicker it's sorted out, better, because sorted out, the better, because we sure that the we need to make sure that the pubuc we need to make sure that the public protected. number public are protected. number one, and we need to keep that at the our minds that the the back of our minds that the government's job is not to protect the police. police's protect the police. the police's job protect the public on job is to protect the public on behalf of the government. and will do, if they're will the army do, if they're bidden home secretary, bidden by the home secretary, will asked ? will they do as asked? >> they go undercover with >> will they go undercover with with , if necessary, get with guns, if necessary, to get involved the streets ?

involved on the streets? >> sure they would if >> yes, i'm sure they would if required. they're required. but i'm sure they're also, say , very reticent also, as i say, very reticent about because that job about doing so because that job is properly done by the civilian police in our country. so it's getting getting that like so many things in policy, getting the balance right between ensuring the police are held to account to the high standards , account to the high standards, but also that they feel that they can operate safely without fear. >> the commissioner clearly has got a problem because he's spoken out morning saying, spoken out this morning saying, look, clarity here? look, where's the clarity here? we new clarity on this. we need new clarity on this. >> i that's right. and >> and i think that's right. and i that needs to be done i think that needs to be done and done urgently . and done urgently. >> do you feel for the army sometimes always asked >> do you feel for the army so cover es always asked >> do you feel for the army so cover when always asked >> do you feel for the army so cover when public ways asked >> do you feel for the army so cover when public services ed to cover when public services 90, 9° to cover when public services go, go . but is it go, yeah, well, go. but is it it's interesting, though, because of course, the army do the casey report did talk about a troubling toxic culture in the met's specialist firearms command . so there's lots of command. so there's lots of answers . there's lots of answers. there's lots of questions to be asked about how the met police is functioning. and then you have these police officers just putting their guns down and it's about 100, we

think. >> liam, how much could that affect operational efficiency ? affect operational efficiency? 100 firearms officers withdrawing their guns. >> i suppose that depends. if something happened or shifting is and how many would be on duty at any one time? how that would affect it. but i think it's the principle here, isn't it, that that the they are saying if we asked to protect the public using firearms and we have to make these difficult split second decisions, shouldn't we expect that if we're following the guidelines that we've set that will not end up in court, that will not end up in court, that that seems to a that that seems to me a perfectly reasonable thing for them if the them to want. and if the guidelines training are guidelines and the training are not making that crystal clear, then needs to addressed. then that needs to be addressed. let's talk about hs2. >> everyone's talking about hs2. i'm glad emily's pointed out that keir starmer labour say, well, actually last week there were three different positions taken by labour frontbenchers, but that all. yeah, but we now that all. yeah, exactly. in 48 hours. >> is that all? >> is that all? >> and emily's found clip of >> and emily's found a clip of keir starmer saying keir starmer completely saying the what he's saying the opposite to what he's saying now. but should they press ahead

from birmingham to manchester? leeds already gone. liam leeds has already gone. liam we've already spent £19 billion on wretched thing on this wretched thing to birmingham . birmingham. >> what's the point of it if we always debates, always have these big debates, don't we, about public infrastructure projects because the at the governments are so bad at that. crossrail yeah, that. remember crossrail yeah, that. remember crossrail yeah, that long crossrail that went how long crossrail took and how much crossrail was in now anyone who in fact inflated. now anyone who uses as the elizabeth line today will say , it's the biggest will say, it's the biggest improvement in public transport in london. >> it's not the same, though, is it? because hs2 has caused so much disruption in so did the government. the government was warned time and time again that the costs were spiralling. so the costs were spiralling. so the costs were spiralling. so the cost benefit analysis just wasn't there . and now it's not wasn't there. and now it's not even going to the north. >> well, so i think the question is , as with all these great is, as with all these great projects, go back the projects, you go back to the victorian they're always victorian era, they're always the about about the the same debates about about the long costs. and once long term costs. and once they're done, people forget what that cost was. i think the thing is, is it's the focus has always been on times, how quickly can

we get from a to b and, you know, not everyone in the world thinks that life begins and ends in london and how quickly you can to is the measure can get to london is the measure of life. the thing is of quality of life. the thing is capacity how create capacity and how will we create more on the railways to more capacity on the railways to get freight in particular get more freight in particular off the roads and that, i think, is something that we should be focusing the debate on. how does that ? where is it needed that happen? where is it needed most ? and to that happen? where is it needed most? and to be looking at sequencing any of this that goes ahead.theidea sequencing any of this that goes ahead. the idea that everything needs at one time needs to go ahead at one time doesn't seem to make much doesn't seem to me to make much sense. have to sequence sense. if we have to sequence any then let's do any investment, then let's do that. problem is it's cheapen >>i cheapen >> i mean, sorry, the >> i mean, delay. sorry, the sequence delay. sequence mean delay. >> well, we've got delay at the moment, so it's a fact of life. the question is what order do you put these bits of projects in? clearly the public purse at the strained do the moment is too strained to do everything once . so what's everything at once. so what's the need based on capacity, not time getting to london that time of getting to london that we actually need to make these decisions. >> the capacity argument is weak. weakened, it weak. well has weakened, has it not? it? i think it was kemi badenoch who was saying, you

know, with home know, with work from home culture the pandemic, culture following the pandemic, we need we don't actually need the capacity that we thought we did. so the economic benefit isn't there it comes to capacity there when it comes to capacity either . and you're only either. and then you're only going birmingham. well is the issue. >> well, if you want to create more capacity across the railways and if railways as a whole and if you're working from home and you're working from home and you're shopping amazon, you're shopping on amazon, it doesn't magic. it doesn't get to you by magic. it requires to travel on on the transport network. so we need to think these things long think about these things long quickly start from the basis quickly and start from the basis of what's the economic benefit, what's the capacity we require , what's the capacity we require, where we require that where do we require that capacity ? i've long argued, for capacity? i've long argued, for example , what needed example, that what you needed was from the west to was a railway from the west to the coast that could that the east coast that could that could from the port in could go from the port in liverpool, which can now carry vessels, anything that can go through the panama canal can now come to liverpool. we come to liverpool. how do we get those the north sea to those goods to the north sea to be able to create britain as a transport hub, not real? transport hub, not be real? so these sorts of these are these are the sorts of economics first arguments, not politics first. i think where we fall down on these big public sector procurements when we sector procurements is when we start the politics ahead

start to put the politics ahead of the economics and that's what i think we need be rational i think we need to be rational and from first and operate from first principles. lot of people principles. a lot of people writing why didn't writing in saying why didn't they the north? they start in the north? >> well , this project, did >> well, this project, why did it start ? it start? >> why did it go from down south? >> because now leading to london to birmingham, as opposed to start everything's start going down, everything's everything start going down, everything's everyt asg start going down, everything's everyt as g as start going down, everything's everyt asg as west country mp, know, as a as a west country mp, you know, we don't all believe that , that every, every journey that, that every, every journey you needs to begin or end you have needs to begin or end in london. >> you know, there >> and, you know, there was a very good point in the very good point made in the letter times the other letter in the times the other day channel tunnel day that when the channel tunnel went commons, the went through the commons, the whole plan was that people up in manchester, down, manchester, i wrote it down, manchester, i wrote it down, manchester, plymouth, manchester, cardiff, plymouth, glasgow , so would be able to get glasgow, so would be able to get a train directly to the continent. they would be linked up. happen. so the up. it didn't happen. so the nonh up. it didn't happen. so the north was abandoned again. can the tories risk doing that ' 7 m. again? >> well, i think that, as i said, i think we need to look at the economic case and i think if the economic case and i think if the is strong, that it the case is strong, that it continues, then should continues, then it should continue. be continue. if it has to be staggered because of public finances, let's do that.

finances, let's let's do that. but let's have a rational solution. >> yeah, i mean, we were discussing the optics of this at concert party conference. >> it'd be terrible . yeah. i >> it'd be terrible. yeah. i mean, andy bernard, the mayor of manchester, were just killed. the cancel it, the tories, if they cancel it, two days before they to two days before they go to manchester and there's a rail strike going into manchester. >> of course, he won't say where the coming because the money's coming from because he's raising he's not responsible for raising the that's the other the money. and that's the other thing. government have got thing. the government have got to are to be responsible because we are answerable taxpayers, answerable to taxpayers, because i mean, hate to say it on this i mean, i hate to say it on this channel more any other, channel more than any other, where taken as read. where it's almost taken as read. there is no such thing as government money. only government money. there is only taxpayers money. government money. there is only taijhere'snoney. government money. there is only taijhere's sorey. government money. there is only taijhere's so much government >> there's so much government waste. what really >> there's so much government wastion what really >> there's so much government wastion people's what really >> there's so much government wastion people's nerves.3ally gets on people's nerves. >> we ask because we've got >> can we ask because we've got you here, you're a gp, that's your that's work your job. that's what you work for. strike for. this blimmin hell strike is going on. these doctors going on and on. these doctors and consultants combining forces. is going to cost forces. it is going to cost lives. what do you say to your former, your former colleagues in profession? in the medical profession? >> find it deeply >> i personally find it deeply unethical that that should happen and i think it is quite wrong that it should be timed to maxim dies. the difficulty inside the nhs.

maxim dies. the difficulty inside the nhs . i would have inside the nhs. i would have thought that was at odds with what your basic prof misses are as a doctor . i what your basic prof misses are as a doctor. i also find it quite strange , if i may say, quite strange, if i may say, commenting on the reporting of this, that when we get the rail strikes, we will say it's aslef or whatever rail union it is . or whatever rail union it is. but we never say it's the bma. we simply refer to doctors. not all doctors are on strike and the real heroes in the nhs are those doctors who are carrying on making sure that patients are looked after while other doctors are the wards. are walking off the wards. >> accept and >> do you accept doctors and clinicians have a case for more pay 7 pail-7 >> pay? >> i pall-7 >> i think that lots of people have a case for more, a strong case and one that the government needs to listen to. >> no, and i think that they have already had a substantial pay have already had a substantial pay rise. >> of course they are paid because way doctors because of the way doctors are paid, especially hospital doctors. having doctors. as i know, having worked a lot more than worked there a lot more than what the basic pay is, is what you take home. think that you take home. and i think that the government needs to explain to people that the difference between what the basic pay is

and actually get is and what doctors actually get is quite large, because i think that the public sympathy might be a lot less. >> i'm sorry to interrupt you. we've just received some breaking andrew, breaking news here. andrew, do you want to. >> told that >> yeah, well, we've told that every police, every metropolitan police, counter—terrorism firearms office stepped back from office has stepped back from armed duties. apart from armed duties. wow. apart from five officers who are on annual leave, this is a worsening crisis armed policing . crisis around armed policing. almost armed responses. vehicles in the capital have also opted for period of reflection and for a period of reflection and they've handed their firearms they've handed in their firearms authorisation they've handed in their firearms authorisaticcommanders are in met police commanders are in crisis discussions to try to ensure the capital has an adequate response . liam, this is adequate response. liam, this is dramatic escalation. >> it is. and it's i think it reinforces the point that we were making that there is a point of principle here that needs to be sorted and sorted very i think that the very quickly. i think that the instincts home secretary instincts of the home secretary are correct and i hope are entirely correct and i hope that she is, given the hand to get this sorted as quickly as possible. i think on both sides there's a will to get it sorted . i that this clearly . but i think that this clearly now, this position increases the urgency .

urgency. >> this is strike that could >> this is a strike that could put our safety at risk. >> and we're being told that two, there were two armed response vehicles patrolling london instead of 15. london last night instead of 15. and be same tonight and it will be the same tonight if all sorts of thugs with guns are listening to this, watching this , it's pushing at an open this, it's pushing at an open door for them. >> it is why, as i say, there is no real urgency to get this resolved . and perhaps resolved. and perhaps understanding that the importance of what is now clearly going to be a crisis situation in we'll get all parties to be involved in getting that solution as quickly as possible. >> alpha officers from outside of london are apparently refusing to come in to help out . is the capital now a serious security risk? >> well , i security risk? >> well, i wouldn't say that. as we've said, that there are elements the military that elements of the military that can be brought in to do that. and think it would also be a and i think it would also be a good rule for all of us, not to talk up the risks or to talk up

the fear which can only help the criminal class, not the law abiding public. >> it's probably worth just reiterating what the news is . reiterating what the news is. we've been told that every police counter—terrorism firearms officer has stepped back now from armed duties , back now from armed duties, apart from five officers who are on annual leave. >> yeah, that's about 3000. that is an extraordinary thing. have you ever known that in your long career in politics? >> no, i've never i've never known that to happen . and i known that to happen. and i think of enormous think it is of enormous importance and seriousness and i think that, you know , i can think that, you know, i can never remember a case where i thought people would better be around that table by lunchtime today and getting it sorted out. >> so, i mean, the prime minister needs to put. >> well, the prime minister has said supports the said very much he supports the home secretary, which is a great thing, clearly that thing, because clearly that that reinforces authority this reinforces her authority in this to be able to get the sort of solution that that is necessary , not just desirable, but will it involve the what's the emergency committee that cobra cobra, do you think they'll have to there's a separate mechanism,

is there for it? yeah, presumably the secretary presumably the home secretary will have to. >> talk to the public and >> now talk to the public and tell us what this all means. yeah. yeah because. yeah, deeply concerning news there. concerning breaking news there. >> that's all this is all >> and that's all this is all unked >> and that's all this is all linked we can't go into the linked to. we can't go into the detail, but a police officer has been connection been arrested in connection with the of a man in a the shooting of a man in a police in a in an unmarked car. >> yeah, this is a move in solidarity with that police officer. so we're joined now by labour mp for birmingham selly oak, steve mccabe . steve, thank oak, steve mccabe. steve, thank you very much indeed for joining us. is steve there? yes, yes , us. is steve there? yes, yes, yes, he is fantastic . yes, he is fantastic. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> just to get your reaction to that breaking news, really all firearms officers have put down their guns off duty. >> well, it seems a pretty serious issue. i'm not sure exactly what the implications of it are. but as you say , it's it are. but as you say, it's obviously in response to this

officer who's been charged and against. there must be some question marks when police officers make split second decisions. if i'm not saying they should be given total immunity , but there must be some immunity, but there must be some question marks if they find themselves in court or in serious charges when we are asking them to make split second decisions in those kind of situations . situations. >> steve, do they need do they need more rights, if you like, than than an ordinary citizen who may have a gun ? who may have a gun? >> well, i am suggesting that we are asking them just as we do with soldiers , um, to do with soldiers, um, to do something quite serious on our behalf. and it's possibly not the right that we equate that with, say, any civilian picking up a firearm and using it. >> yes, they need to feel they need to feel supported and that

they're going to get a fair hearing. and that's clearly what this all about. should we this is all about. should we move on to birmingham? birmingham council ? birmingham city council? >> we're flogging they're flogging all all your flogging off all your all your major assets. steve if don't major assets. steve if you don't mind me it like that mind me phrasing it like that in birmingham, council birmingham, because your council has squandered it's has squandered millions. it's bankrupt. the largest local authority in europe and the government are having to step in to out your local taxpayers i >> -- >> yes. well, that is michael gove's response to the problems in birmingham. he is a appointed commissioner and one of the things that will be considered is to sell off the assets of the city and the people of birmingham. yeah well what conversation have you been having with the, with those at birmingham council about how they got into this state? >> i mean, i'm just thinking about people who live in birmingham and rely on the council for basic services as they've really made a mess up of they've really made a mess up of the finances. and i don't think that this can be blamed on on the government at.

>> well, i did read the commissioner's comments much calmer in the i think it was the ft just the other day where he says actually once the commissioner is appointed, there is no purpose in looking back. you have to just look forward. so i'll just put that to you . so i'll just put that to you. but obviously there are problems in birmingham. i'm not going to disguise it. some of those problems rest with the councillors , with council councillors, with council officers, with trade unions, equal pay issue has been a mess i >> -- >> steve, i'm terribly sorry, but we're to . going steve, thank but we're to. going steve, thank you so much for your time. terribly sorry, but we're massively squeezed because of the mccabe the breaking news. steve mccabe mp , labour birmingham, the breaking news. steve mccabe mp oak. labour birmingham, the breaking news. steve mccabe mp oak. we'lljr birmingham, the breaking news. steve mccabe mp oak. we'll catch ningham, the breaking news. steve mccabe mp oak. we'll catch upgham, the breaking news. steve mccabe mp oak. we'll catch up with, selly oak. we'll catch up with him in liverpool. >> the labour party conference. we will ing next up next up next, lampedusa . next, we're going to lampedusa. >> the temperature is rising . >> the temperature is rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good morning and welcome to

your latest gb news weather forecast . i'm your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig your latest gb news weather forecast . i'm craig snell. well, forecast. i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to the next few days, we will see some sunnier and brighter moments. but watch out wednesday. could turn out for wednesday. could turn very windy for some us. back very windy for some of us. back to the here and now. lots of sunshine out there. actually across and across parts of england and wales. maybe little bit wales. still maybe a little bit of rain and cloud just of overnight rain and cloud just to clear far southeast to clear the very far southeast . for of us, really, . but for most of us, really, it's mixture of sunny spells it's a mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers. scotland and scattered showers. scotland and northern ireland the and northern ireland seeing the main and main bulk of the showers. and some potentially some of these could potentially be maybe even the be quite heavy, maybe even the odd still odd rumble of thunder and still quite here. that will quite windy here. that will temper temperatures somewhat temper the temperatures somewhat . the southeast . but down towards the southeast , feeling warm. highs , feeling quite warm. highs reaching 22 or 23 degrees into the evening. a lot of england and wales remaining dry. still the risk of some showers across northern scotland , northern ireland and scotland, especially across more western areas . elsewhere under the clear areas. elsewhere under the clear skies, could see some mist skies, we could see some mist and fog. also forming. then later on in the night, just starting see some starting to potentially see some heavy working across starting to potentially see some hea very working across starting to potentially see some heavery far working across starting to potentially see some hea very far south rking across starting to potentially see some hea very far south coast across starting to potentially see some hea very far south coast ofacross the very far south coast of england. a mild night for all of us. temperatures staying firmly

in double figures. so these showers then track their showers will then track their way across parts of way northwards across parts of england go through the england as we go through the course morning. course of the morning. elsewhere, any early mist elsewhere, once any early mist and clears drier and fog clears briefly, drier and fog clears briefly, drier and brighter, but then further band of rain moving in from the west , which will be band of rain moving in from the west, which will be accompanied again fairly strong again by some fairly strong winds. heaviest of the rain for scotland northern ireland. scotland and northern ireland. but despite the wind, it's going to be another fairly mild one. temperatures high

gb news. >> good morning . it gb news. >> good morning. it is gb news. >> good morning . it is exactly >> good morning. it is exactly 10 am. on monday, 25th of september. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. i'm emily carver this is andrew pierce. now, as europe's migration crisis worsens , our home crisis worsens, our home security editor mark white is live on the front line . live on the front line. >> i'm here on the italian island of lampedusa , where more island of lampedusa, where more than 11,000 migrants have arrived in the last week. and of course, we know that many of those migrant s will make it to the shores of northwestern france in an attempt to reach the uk . the uk. >> london at risk gb news learns all metropolitan police firearms officers have stepped back in protest at the charging of one of their colleagues with murder. crisis talks are underway . crisis talks are underway. >> inheritance tax cut rishi sunakis >> inheritance tax cut rishi sunak is considering slashing the most hated tax in britain . the most hated tax in britain. but is it a vote winner ? and

but is it a vote winner? and pushy pubs do bar staff using language like same again or is that a double put pressure on people like me to drink? >> or are people just going a bit too wacky and soft? >> i think i know what you think. yeah . think. yeah. and as always, we'd love to hear what you think about all of those topics. please do get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.com or tweet us at gb news. gb news. indeed shall we get the news with aaron armstrong? we should i >> -- >> very good morning to you. it is a minute past ten. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. well, gb news can exclusively reveal all counter—terrorism officers in london have stepped back from armed duties amid an escalating crisis over their legal protection . it comes after protection. it comes after a police officer was charged with

murder over the shooting of chris kaba , an unarmed 24 year chris kaba, an unarmed 24 year old in south london last year. in addition, almost all armed response vehicles in the capital have also opted for a period of reflection and have handed in their firearms permits . a senior their firearms permits. a senior met commanders are in met police commanders are in crisis discussions to try to ensure the capital has an adequate armed response to incidents. the military has been put on standby to respond in the event of a terrorist attack. we'll have more on this very shortly with our home and security mark white. security editor, mark white. also, in the last hour, rishi sunaks refused to address speculation the northern leg of hs2 is to be scrapped , but hs2 is to be scrapped, but insists he is committed to levelling up. the prime minister wouldn't guarantee the completion of the planned birmingham to manchester line amid spiralling costs. he'll discuss it with the chancellor in the coming days and a decision is expected before the tory party conference in manchester next week. the planned line to east midlands parkway is also under threat this kind of speculation that people are making is not right. >> i mean, we've got spades in

the ground, we're getting on and delivering, across the delivering, but across the north, doing is north, what we're also doing is connecting up all the towns and cities the north—east to cities in the north—east to west. a really important west. that's a really important part of how create jobs, part of how we will create jobs, drive growth across the region. all part of our plans to level up freeports are another good example of that. whether that's in elsewhere, in teesside or elsewhere, attracting new investment, new businesses in, all good businesses coming in, all good examples of the government levelling up. >> the home secretary will call for amongst western for unity amongst western leaders to combat the global migration crisis. suella braverman will tell an audience in washington other countries can learn from the uk's attempts to tackle illegal migrants . she to tackle illegal migrants. she is questioning whether conventions and legal frameworks designed more than 50 years ago are still fit for purpose and is calling for a shake up of international rules . the number international rules. the number of nhs appointments cancelled because of strikes in england is expected to surpass 1 million nhs providers estimate the first ever double strike action by junior doctors and consultants

last week means the country will reach the milestone in figures set to be announced today. the organisation , whose deputy chief organisation, whose deputy chief executive saffron cordery, has labelled it damaging and demoralising and says behind every day there is a real and human cost . it comes as new human cost. it comes as new figures show almost 400,000 patients waited 24 hours or more in a&e in england last year. the royal college of emergency medicine is calling the situation a matter of national shame. shadow health secretary wes streeting says 24 hours in a&e is no longerjust a documentary , but the department documentary, but the department of health and social care says the nhs recovery plan is bringing improvements . bringing improvements. prosecutors will decide later over whether to call for a retrial of lucy letby on six counts of attempted murder . the counts of attempted murder. the former nurse was jailed for life last month for the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others at a hospital in chester in 2015 and 2016. however, jurors were

unable to reach a verdict on six further counts of attempted murder in relation to five children. she denied the charges and has launched an appeal . and has launched an appeal. experts are warning the government will not meet its manifesto pledge to end homelessness by next year . the homelessness by next year. the kerslake commission says there are chronic and unresolved issues in the housing system , issues in the housing system, with a crisis pushing more people onto the streets. the number of people sleeping rough last autumn was 25% higher than it was at the same time three years ago. the government claims it's spending £2 billion to end rough sleeping for good . police rough sleeping for good. police are searching for a missing mother while they've arrested a 31 year old woman who attended an east london police station . an east london police station. the woman was also taken to hospital as a precaution to children reported missing from a centre for vulnerable mothers and children in london were found safe and well in harwich earlier today. officers were looking for 31 year old james lee kelly, who left the facility

on tuesday with her three year old daughter and newborn baby boy . this is gb news on tv, on boy. this is gb news on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaken digital radio and on your smart speaker. just say play gb news. that's it. now back to andrew and . emily and. emily >> did you see me doing that ? >> did you see me doing that? >> did you see me doing that? >> breaking news in the last professional . professional. >> andrew sorry , gb news has >> andrew sorry, gb news has learnt that every metropolitan police, counter—terrorism firearms officer has stepped back and effectively put down their guns after one of their colleagues charged with murder. >> yes, crisis are now >> yes, crisis talks are now underway army is on underway and the army is on standby to patrol the streets if needed , which presumably will needed, which presumably it will be absolutely . be absolutely. >> home security mark >> home security editor mark white broke the story. he's in lampedusa covering migrant white broke the story. he's in lampebuta covering migrant white broke the story. he's in lampe but we're ring migrant white broke the story. he's in lampebut we're going migrant white broke the story. he's in lampebut we're going to migrant white broke the story. he's in lampebut we're going to g0|rant white broke the story. he's in lampebut we're going to go to tl crisis. but we're going to go to him this is a major him live. mark, this is a major escalation. it started off, we think, with a few officers putting down their guns . now, putting down their guns. now, this is become a big, big crisis

for the met and for the home office and for the government in yeah, i think there is no doubt from what we're hearing, it is a worsening crisis with more and more armed officers from a number of different divisions deciding that they are to going support their colleagues in the metropolitan police counter terrorism , special firearms unit terrorism, special firearms unit with their protests. >> and that is a protest to decision by the crown prosecutor service to prosecute an officer, charge him with murder. that officer known only as 1 to 1, appears in court last thursday day charged with the murder of chris kaba in south london in september of last year. now, these metropolitan police, firearms officers feel that they are not being supported , that are not being supported, that they have to make split second decisions in the most difficult of circumstances. and that a decision to prosecute an officer

for murder throws the whole way that they operate into a different light and they are very, very concerned going forward and that similar prosecutions as may well be on the cards for any officer that in those unfortunate split second decisions might have to open fire. so what you have initially is a protest by those counter—terrorism specialist firearms officers. these are the elite firearms teams in the metropolitan police. they have a degree of training that is over and above the armed response vehicles that you see driving about london and every major city in the country. they can repel down ropes through buildings. they they know about how to enter dynamically into buildings to rescue hostages and deal with terrorists. all that kind of threat. so those officers was in out of real concern. they say , for what the concern. they say, for what the situation is unfolding, decided

that they wanted to a period of reflection , an they call it. in reflection, an they call it. in other words, they were handing in their blue ticket. now, the blue ticket is a ticket that authorises them to use firearms while they reflect on what's happening in the support they feel that is lacking from senior management within the metropolitan police . they metropolitan police. they decided to do that . what decided to do that. what i understand is that there was a meeting that involved a deputy assistant commissioner just in recent days, and that appears to have escalated the situation because those firearms officers said that they would be willing to respond to threat to life incidents and also terrorism incidents and also terrorism incidents that deputy assistant commissioner , according to one commissioner, according to one source speaking to me, said that it doesn't work like that. so the officers had then decided , the officers had then decided, well, if that's the case, we're just handing in our blue tickets. we're not going to respond or do any kind of firearms duties. so they pretty much every counter—terrorism

special firearms officer apart from five who are on annual leave, according to our source, have handed in their blue tickets and it's worse than that because we're also hearing that counter—terrorist specialist firearms officers in other forces are in solidarity with their colleagues in london, not prepared to come in back, fill in the capital, and it spread to the armed response vehicles as well in an escalation. so these are the vehicles that we see. of course, in our cities, towns and cities right across the country responding to gun crime, knife crime , lots of other threats to crime, lots of other threats to life incidents. those armed response vehicles are coming out in solidarity with those counter—terrorism specialist firearms officers. and most of them have handed in their blue tickets . our source told us that tickets. our source told us that last night there was supposed to be 15 armed response vehicles on duty across the capital. there

were two. and that's gone. of course , met management course, met management scrambling to try to backfill, to try to bring armed response vehicles in from neighbouring forces to help police the capital in an adequate manner. >> mark, you've got your you've got your so plugged into all of this, people watching and listening to this program are going to think the same thing. is capital safe . is the capital safe. >> well , to an extent of course >> well, to an extent of course it is safe. there are armed units out there and in extremis, of course , they would be able to of course, they would be able to call on more support and officers that are currently off duty and effectively refusing to work would come in and work. of course, they would. that's their job. that's their job and their duty. but at the moment they're in protest. so there's a lag in a protest. so there's a lag time. if anything was to happen, there would be a lag time before

full resources were brought to bear on an incident. full resources were brought to bear on an incident . and that bear on an incident. and that has got to impact on safety. of course it does . course it does. >> yeah, i think most people will be concerned considering we do unfortunately have a terror threat in this country. moving on to what you are in lampedusa for 10,000 migrants, am i right? arrived on the island in just the past week. what's happened since ? are they getting a grip since? are they getting a grip on this? are people still arriving in those numbers more than 11,000 actually just in over a week , arrived here in over a week, arrived here in lampedusa and the islanders have been given a bit of respite , been given a bit of respite, actually by virtue of the mistral winds , which are blowing mistral winds, which are blowing out in the mediterranean at the moment, making it very difficult for these migrant boats. >> so that's reduced the numbers that are coming into lampedusa . that are coming into lampedusa. when we arrived last night in lampedusa , we filmed as dozens

lampedusa, we filmed as dozens of police officers, italian police officers arrived at the airport to help supplement their colleagues here for knowing that, of course, when these mistral winds do die down in a couple of days time , then the couple of days time, then the boats will be back with a vengeance. now, this is an island of only about six, five, 6000 permanent residents . so 6000 permanent residents. so there would only be half a dozen , a dozen officers really on duty at any one time. there are hundreds here now because of the very significant concerns about the numbers of migrants coming here, the potential for unrest, as we saw in the last week when many thousands arrived just in in 2 or 3 days. and they were jumping over the walls of the compound that they were in, understandably, i think, because that compound was only due to actually hold 400, its capacity is 400 migrants and it was holding many thousands of

migrants . so some real chaos on migrants. so some real chaos on the island. and the authorities calling for help. last week . calling for help. last week. now, last night also when we arrived , we were out in the arrived, we were out in the early hours of the morning at an area in the harbour. we filmed an area we're not allowed into dunng an area we're not allowed into during the day, but that gave us an indication of all these boats, these empty boats that are in the harbour. are there just dozens of them? and that's just dozens of them? and that's just a tiny selection of the boats that have been coming across in recent months. now, just like they do in the uk with border force painting numbers on the boats that they recover here. they painted numbers on the boats here. i saw 1975 23 so that was the 975th boat that the border officials had seized in this year of 23, and that's just that boat. there may be many

more than that, 975 clearly, there is a very significant problem. the italians say that more than twice last year's total have already crossed this yean total have already crossed this year, 130,000 or so have crossed the mediterranean. many of them ending up here in lampedusa . you ending up here in lampedusa. you you have really appreciate your time considering the numbers of people arriving in europe and then travelling to the uk via then travelling to the uk via the channel. >> suella braverman home secretary is going to be in washington today or tomorrow. she's going to be giving a big speech where she's to going question the basis for international refugee treaties . international refugee treaties. what are you expecting to hear from her? >> yeah , well, she wants the >> yeah, well, she wants the western countries in particular to come together really with one voice to try to tackle this global migration crisis, which could see 100 million people

moving , going out to look for moving, going out to look for new lives in western countries in the coming years. and she believes that that needs to be redrawn, that they need to work together to ensure that those crossing illegally are prevented from doing that. so that involves , of course, going after involves, of course, going after the likes of the people smugglers , international law smugglers, international law enforcement working together. also enlisting the help of social media companies to ensure that the traffickers ears can't advertise on social media. so all manner of things toughening up the border response as well to ensure that those migrants coming to the likes of the european union are returned back to north africa . the fascinating i >> -- >> that's fascinating. thank you so much for your time . i'm mark. so much for your time. i'm mark. mark white there, our homeland security editor from lampard souza, bringing us the very latest from the met police and then also from the migrant crisis that keeps keeps on going. well, should we speak to

immigration lawyer ivan sampson to thoughts on of to get his thoughts on all of that ? ivan, thank you for that? ivan, thank you for joining us. you heard mark white there live from lampedusa , there live from lampedusa, 11,000 people crossing to that small little island in the middle of the sea in just a week. how on earth can europe get a grip on this ? well, there get a grip on this? well, there are 18 million displaced people around the world, and there problems only going to get worse while we have conflicts around the world. >> i hate to say i agree with suella braverman, but i do agree with her. we need to relook at the refugee convention and the definition of what a refugee actually is . it's certainly not actually is. it's certainly not an economic migrant . an economic migrant. >> i was desperate to hear the rest of that. >> yes, because i often cross swords with ivan sampson, as you can well imagine . but can well imagine. but interesting that he's agreeing with suella romano. i think actually emily is one of the braver faced dear members of the

cabinet, but she puts her head on the parapet quite often and she gets it kicked quite a lot. >> but she speaks out and a lot of people do distort what she says as well. >> mean, says >> i mean, she says controversial like controversial things like invasion. to invasion. but listen to what she's actually saying. ivan is back you very back with us. thank you very much back. there much for coming back. there you are. what's with the are. so what's wrong with the refugee convention? it refugee convention? why is it not purpose today? not fit for purpose today? >> was never discussed. >> well, it was never discussed. it was never designed for people display based because of armed conflict , internal display based because of armed conflict, internal armed conflict, internal armed conflict that was not the purpose of the refugee convention. >> it was designed for people fleeing persecution for one of the five heads, which is people of political persuasion , people of political persuasion, people because of their religion, because of their religion, because their ethnicity or membership of a social group. for example, if you're gay and you're being persecuted and your government is not protecting you, then you can seek refugee status elsewhere . it never status elsewhere. it was never designed for if there's conflict in your country, you go to save third country that was not the

purpose of it. and i'm afraid at the moment that's exactly what it's been used for by many of the seeking protection in the people seeking protection in the people seeking protection in the united from the united kingdom from countries like where . ivan countries like where. ivan sorry, countries like we, which are the countries where they're allegedly pursuing fleeing armed conflict . for example . conflict. for example. >> yemen is a good example. >> yemen is a good example. >> eritrea is a good example. iraq afghanistan. i mean , i'm iraq afghanistan. i mean, i'm not saying that they're not entitled to asylum in the uk, but the definition of an asylum seeker needs to be looked at. so secondly, this is a global problem, requires a global solution. i've been saying this , as you know, andrew, for well over well more than a year now that the international community needs to come together and relook at the asylum global asylum problem and each country needs to take their fair share of refugees . pakistan has over

of refugees. pakistan has over a million refugees in its in its borders. so we need to relook at oh, oh, he's gone again. >> ivan. he's in dubai. that's the issue. it sounds like he's in a hotel lobby of some description. thank you very much indeed. ivan sampson there. immigration lawyer. >> been dubai and >> i've never been to dubai and have to go. have no wish to go. >> i sure what exactly he >> i wasn't sure what exactly he was whether was saying there, whether we need the need to tighten up the definition seeker or definition of asylum seeker or allow be more broad. allow it to be more broad. >> i think it up. >> no, i think tighten it up. >> no, i think tighten it up. >> yeah, but but also my big beefi >> yeah, but but also my big beef i often have with ivan sampson many of those sampson is how many of those people are people crossing the channel are economic why aren't people crossing the channel are econom seekers why aren't people crossing the channel are econom seekers they're an't asylum seekers and they're coming here, all those young men in their 30s well, exactly. >> i think a lot people have >> i think a lot of people have have that too. andrew i have noticed that too. andrew i think so. >> now, coming up in heritance tax, it's loathed and hated by a lot of people. the prime minister we think is considering reforming it. >> yes. >> yes. >> will he actually do it or will he bottle it with gb news? britain's news channel that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers

>> proud sponsors of weather on gb news >> good morning. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to the next few days, we will see some sunnier and brighter moments. but watch out for wednesday. could turn very windy for some of us back to the here now. lots of sunshine here and now. lots of sunshine out across parts here and now. lots of sunshine ou england across parts here and now. lots of sunshine ou england and across parts here and now. lots of sunshine ou england and walesoss parts here and now. lots of sunshine ou england and wales .;s parts here and now. lots of sunshine ou england and wales. stillrts of england and wales. still maybe bit of overnight maybe a little bit of overnight rain and clouds just to clear the southeast. but for the very far southeast. but for most of us, really, it's a mixture sunny spells and mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers. and scattered showers. scotland and northern main northern ireland seeing the main bulk showers. and some bulk of the showers. and some of these potentially be quite these could potentially be quite heavy, even odd rumble heavy, maybe even the odd rumble of still quite windy of thunder and still quite windy here. the here. that will temper the temperatures somewhat. but down towards , still towards the southeast, still feeling quite warm. highs reaching 22 or 23 degrees into the evening. a lot of england and wales remaining dry. still the risk of some showers across northern ireland and scotland, especially across more western areas . elsewhere under clear areas. elsewhere under the clear skies, we could some mist skies, we could see some mist and also forming. then and fog. also forming. then later on in the night, just

starting potentially some starting to potentially see some heavy working in across starting to potentially see some heavery working in across starting to potentially see some heavery far working in across starting to potentially see some hea very far south rking in across starting to potentially see some hea very far south coastin across starting to potentially see some hea very far south coast ofacross the very far south coast of england. mild night for all of england. a mild night for all of us. staying firmly us. temperatures staying firmly in double figures. so these showers will then track their way northwards across parts of england through england as we go through the course of the morning. elsewhere, any early mist elsewhere, once any early mist and fog clears briefly, drier and fog clears briefly, drier and brighter, but then further bands of rain moving in from the west, which will be accompanied again some fairly strong again by some fairly strong winds. heaviest of the rain for scotland and northern ireland. but despite the wind, it's going to fairly mild one. to be another fairly mild one. temperatures the temperatures high, teens in the north, low 20s in the south. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on

>> the camilla tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news as . it's 1026 with news as. it's 1026 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and emily carver, you are indeed. >> now, it's been reported that's been all over the papers actually, that the prime minister a cut to minister is considering a cut to inheritance that's to inheritance tax and that's to court voters create dividing lines tories and the lines between the tories and the labour party . labour party. >> so we've got our next guest. >> so we've got our next guest. >> oh, here we go. at present, inheritance tax is charged at 40% for estates worth more than £325,000. >> but you get an extra 175,000 towards the main residence. if you're a couple, 175,000 each. if you pass it to a child, which means effectively £1 million. >> so if you wanted to pass it on to a friend, then you

wouldn't get that. >> no, get that allowance. the married can share their married couple can share their allowance, parents married couple can share their allo pass 3, parents married couple can share their allo pass on parents married couple can share their allo pass on 1 parents married couple can share their allo pass on 1 million. parents married couple can share their allo pass on 1 million. peokay can pass on 1 million. yes. okay there go. can pass on 1 million. yes. okay thejonathan porteous knows all >> jonathan porteous knows all about professor of about tax. he's the professor of economics policy at economics and public policy at king's london. jonathan, king's college london. jonathan, morning. remember morning. i can still remember being at the tory conference back in two thousand and seven and george osborne, the shadow chancellor. there was huge speculation that gordon brown was going to call an early general were general election. labour were comfortably in polls, comfortably ahead in the polls, i'm remember. he i'm sure you remember. and he said going to said he was going to dramatically increase the threshold inheritance tax . threshold on inheritance tax. the tories poll ratings soared . the tories poll ratings soared. gordon was spooked. there gordon brown was spooked. there was no election. we know what happened years why happened three years later. why is inheritance tax such a is this inheritance tax such a totemic issue for the tories ? totemic issue for the tories? >> well, i think, you know , >> well, i think, you know, there is a view among some people that they should be able that, you know, their parents have worked all their lives to save up money and perhaps to buy a house and that they should be able to pass that to on their

children. i think there's also a lot of misconceptions here. remember, inheritance tax is really for people who are you know, it's not a tax that's paid by the people who are dying. it's paid by those who are inheriting. and it's only paid on about 4% of all estates . so on about 4% of all estates. so we are really talking about the wealthy in our society that we're getting this windfall from their parents. and i can sort of understand why people think, well, you know, my parents want to leave for me. why should the state take some of it? but the fact is that inheritance tax is primarily something that means that relatively well—off people don't get something that they didn't earn, that their parents earned . they only get two thirds earned. they only get two thirds of it or a bit more or it hardly seems to me like the priority for tax cuts at the moment, quite frankly , jonathan. quite frankly, jonathan. >> i think that's that's right in a way. a lot of working people have a huge tax burden and perhaps a priority for a conservative government would be to down. but you say

to bring that down. but you say 3, okay, only 3% of families of estates deal with this tax . but estates deal with this tax. but isn't that because there's the threat of inheritance tax? so a lot of people try to. well move their assets around, sort it before before they die. and also, 30% of people seem to think they will pay this tax, particularly as assets are growing in value , housing in growing in value, housing in particular. so do you understand why it is so deeply unpopular ? why it is so deeply unpopular? >> i understand it to a certain extent, but they're 30. let's be clear. the 30% are wrong. even the rising value of houses won't drag any thing like that many people into the net. that's the first point. and the second point is, yes, you're right. some people do avoid it, but it's not actually the sort of middle, you know , well—off but middle, you know, well—off but not super rich people who avoid it . it's the very rich and the it. it's the very rich and the super rich who avoid it. and there are some genuine issues there. it would be better to have a tax which perhaps was slightly less burdensome on some

upper middle income earners, but made it considerably harder for people at the top end to avoid paying people at the top end to avoid paying it. mostly or entirely, usually through the use of trusts or or other forms of ways that you can quite legally , but that you can quite legally, but in some ways unfairly avoid the tax. >> so a couple of tories said to me one of the arguments in favour of it for tory mps, and perhaps rishi sunak, who by the way, advocated cutting way, first advocated cutting inheritance tax in a first policy document even before he was back 2014, that was an mp back in 2014, is that it would be what we call clear blue water with the labour party because absolutely no because there's absolutely no way reeves, the shadow way rachel reeves, the shadow chancellor and keir starmer going we'll have a bit of going to say we'll have a bit of that. >> well, that may be i mean , i'm >> well, that may be i mean, i'm not qualified to call in the politics, but from a purely economic perspective , give, you economic perspective, give, you know, to take just one example, we have cut out per pupil spending on sixth forms by 20% over the last 15 years. now the

government claims that's because we needed to. we didn't have enough tax revenue. we couldn't afford to even maintain what we were spending on our young people in schools. the idea that cutting inheritance tax, which will primarily and let's be clear who will benefit it would benefit me, right ? i live in benefit me, right? i live in london. my parents live in london. my parents live in london. they the value of the properties occupied by my parents has soared over the past 30 years. i could get a very substantial benefit from the sorts of cuts that have been proposed. the idea that somebody like me is a higher priority than to properly fund . and you than to properly fund. and you know , you know, the other thing know, you know, the other thing which richard rishi sunak says he wants, which is to teach maths properly in our schools, which i entirely agree with, you don't that unless you recruit don't do that unless you recruit and pay maths teachers and we're not doing that at moment. so and pay maths teachers and we're not simply:hat at moment. so and pay maths teachers and we're not simply at at moment. so and pay maths teachers and we're not simply a question moment. so and pay maths teachers and we're not simply a question of ment. so priorities. >> but hang on, jonathan. i think, you know, we can talk about priorities, but you about priorities, but if you look to other countries, i don't

believe has believe australia has inheritance tax a death tax, inheritance tax or a death tax, you it. i don't you could call it. i don't believe social democracy is like norway and sweden have one enhen norway and sweden have one either. we are a bit of an outlier when it comes to these kind of taxes and some people simply think it's immoral for the to take the government to take away because what already paid because what you've already paid tax they've already tax on already, they've already paid it. you know, it's paid tax on it. you know, it's one of those fundamental sorry, that's time that's all we've got time for. jonathan. that. i jonathan. sorry about that. i just for there. just wanted to go for one there. thank you very much indeed. jonathan fortis of the king's college london. >> course, that the >> and of course, that is the point they do point they will make if they do it, will say many it, they will say how many countries not many. countries have it? not many. we've still to we've got two now. still to come, hospital appointment cancellations expected cancellations are expected to surpass well, surpass 1 million today. well, why doctors going on why are the doctors going on strike then? >> well, yeah, heard from >> well, yeah, we heard from liam fox. but first, let's get the with armstrong . the news with karen armstrong. >> 1032 is the time. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. gb news can exclusively reveal armed officers or counter—terrorism officers in london have stepped back from

dufies london have stepped back from duties amid an escalating crisis over their legal protection. it comes after a police officer was charged with murder over the shooting of an unarmed black man in south london last year. in addition, almost all armed response vehicles in the capital have handed in their firearms permits . a senior met police permits. a senior met police commanders currently in commanders are currently in crisis discussions to try to ensure london has an adequate level of protection. the military has put on standby military has been put on standby to in the event of a to respond in the event of a terrorist attack . the mayor of terrorist attack. the mayor of greater manchester says the nonh greater manchester says the north shouldn't have to pay for the government's mismanagement north shouldn't have to pay for the go hs2ment's mismanagement north shouldn't have to pay for the go hs2 budget�*nismanagement north shouldn't have to pay for the go hs2 budget . ismanagement north shouldn't have to pay for the go hs2 budget . rishi1agement north shouldn't have to pay for the go hs2 budget . rishi sunakent of the hs2 budget. rishi sunak is refusing to guarantee the planned line between birmingham to manchester will be completed. he will discuss its future with the chancellor. this week, with a expected before the a decision expected before the tory party conference. it's in manchester next week . mr burnham manchester next week. mr burnham believes the curtailing the project risks creating a north south chasm. but rishi sunak insists he is committed to levelling up the number of nhs appointments cancelled because of strikes in england is

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weekdays from three on gb news choose. weekdays from three on gb news choose . it is 1039 with choose. it is 1039 with britain's news on gb news with andrew pierce >> and i'm delighted to say with emily carver. >> yes, rather lovely. >> yes, rather lovely. >> shall we have a look? oh, >> so shall we have a look? oh, we're emails. fantastic we're going to emails. fantastic we've through we've had so many coming through . go to . where should we go to inheritance tax? >> yeah, quite a lot of people were porteous. were irked by jonathan porteous. >> little bit. >> they're a little bit. >> they're a little bit. >> yeah. >> they're a little bit. >> and|. >> they're a little bit. >> and we didn't get the point to challenge him on how many countries inheritance countries have no inheritance tax luckily someone sent us. >> but luckily someone sent us. sorry, i haven't actually checked your name. you sent us a well , a table checked your name. you sent us a well, a table of all the countries . and what rates of countries. and what rates of inheritance tax they pay . inheritance tax they pay. belgium has top rate of 80. belgium has a top rate of 80. yeah, but 80. but then there are lots of countries, aren't there? australia have zero. >> australia, zero, canada zero. we don't count china , estonia, we don't count china, estonia, hungary, india , israel, hungary, india, israel, luxembourg, mexico . the list

luxembourg, mexico. the list goes on. more countries have zero than any other and a lot of people pointing out just the distress. >> yes. of having to deal with inheritance tax, dealing with revenue and customs , dealing revenue and customs, dealing with the tax man, essentially when you've just lost a loved one and all the stress that goes into that anneliese only 4. >> only 7. denmark 15. >> poland, only 7. denmark 15. and we're 40. >> i think it's an anti aspiration tax. it is, you know , if i have children, i would want to keep hold of my assets , want to keep hold of my assets, save so i can pass on something i >> -- >> yeah, of course you would without the tax man getting his big. >> well, maybe i'll just want to spend it all. there's that too, isn't there? >> warned, spermophorides. >> be warned, spermophorides. yes. >> be warned, spermophorides. yes let us know side of that >> let us know what side of that you're but lot of you're on. but yes, a lot of people are saying it's totally it's the worst tax ever. >> unfair . it's the worst tax ever. >> we air . it's the worst tax ever. >> we air. know if it is going >> we don't know if it is going to we've got to be reformed, but we've got a tory conference tory party conference coming up this weekend. be in this weekend. i'll be there in manchester. and it may well be one of the things he flags in his sunak, because his speech rishi sunak, because he's policy ideas. he's spewing out policy ideas. anybody they were 20 anybody who thinks they were 20 points polls , i points behind in the polls, i wonder what the mood is going to

be conference. be like at tory conference. >> bleak bit. yeah a bit bleak. yeah. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and this of course, his >> and this is of course, his first conference addressing first conference he's addressing as because . as prime minister because. because last he was it was because last year he was it was liz truss was still prime. >> of course it was tory conference, it's when she famously abandoned her cutting the top rate of tax. >> oh dear. oh dear. >> oh dear. oh dear. >> it was a very, very busy conference me, let me tell you. >> should we move n you. >> should we move i think we should. >> we should move on. right. well we have our wonderful panel with us in pink, a vision dawn neesom . neesom. >> thank you very much. and always vision buster. always a vision buster. >> good morning, guys. how you? >> e- @ thank you. you? >> thank you. thank you >> good, thank you. thank you for so the story, for joining us so the top story, mark white revealed this earlier, counter—terrorism officers have essentially put down their guns. >> they're stopping duty following the arrest over chris kaba , over the chris kaba kaba, over the chris kaba shooting . so what do you make of shooting. so what do you make of that, dawn? >> i think it's terrifying . i >> i think it's terrifying. i think it's very dangerous for everyone in london and certainly it has a potential to spread throughout the country as well

to other big cities . and i feel to other big cities. and i feel terribly sorry for people that put themselves in the way of danger for no extra money. by the way, i'm response units do not get paid any extra money for risking their lives in this way. really? no. >> i did not know that. >> i did not know that. >> no. they are paid exactly the same as ordinary police officers so don't paid. so they don't get paid. >> enough. which isn't >> isn't enough. which isn't enough. >> isn't enough. which isn't enowhich isn't enough, by the >> which isn't enough, by the way. and they put themselves in constant danger. i was interviewing a former armed response officer this morning , response officer this morning, and he was involved in an incident where he nearly lost his life and he went home and his life and he went home and his little girl, she was nine at the time, a few years ago, was waiting on the doorstep in tears because she thought her daddy had been killed. and they faced that pressure every single day. and to go to work with the pressure hanging over you that you can be end up in court charged with murder simply for doing your job. yeah, i can't doing yourjob. yeah, i can't blame them for doing what

they're doing because we can't get into the ease of any case. >> but you know that a police officer who makes that decision to fire the gun, it's a split second decision. there's no wilful intent to take a life. no, he or she is doing their job no, he or she is doing theirjob to the best of their abilities. absolutely. >> i mean, it's very rare. i mean, i think there's been twice recently where where police have fired in london. and it is incredibly rare and they don't do it lightly. they are incredibly well trained and everyone's going, oh, it's fine, we'll just bring the army into it. but it's completely different army there to different. the army are there to follow orders and take control. police officers are response units are incredibly well trained to deal with situations unlike the army. >> yeah, it's not just a swap. it's not a like for like, it's incredibly dangerous. >> and these are counter—terrorism that counter—terrorism officers that have yes. the effect have withdrawn. yes. the effect of their labour, they effectively. bush they've gone on yeah they have. on strike. yeah they have. >> and this is really crucial in important understand that we >> and this is really crucial in imp0|have understand that we >> and this is really crucial in imp0|have this1derstand that we >> and this is really crucial in imp0|have this spreadingthat we >> and this is really crucial in imp0|have this spreading acrosse can't have this spreading across the country . an avid the country. i'm an avid supporter of our officers being

armed, whether that's the police officers and the army. so this case is crucial because they've obviously given up their arms because at the end of the day, if they are facing their own dangen if they are facing their own danger, that could also danger, but that could also result being charged result in them being charged with than being with murder than being imprisoned. i can understand why they the arms. they would give up the arms. you know, how do they get know, it's how do they get around the dilemma, though? >> boucher because equally, citizens daily citizens going about their daily lives be assured that lives have to be assured that they going protected they are going to be protected from officers who sometimes get it . yeah, absolutely. it wrong. yeah, absolutely. >> the thing these armed >> the thing is, these armed officers haven't just got arms for like dawn said, for no reason. like dawn said, they exceptionally trained. for no reason. like dawn said, they not:eptionally trained. for no reason. like dawn said, they not out onally trained. for no reason. like dawn said, they not out therei trained. for no reason. like dawn said, they not out there just ned. for no reason. like dawn said, they not out there just toi they're not out there just to commit atrocities like murder. you know , they are responsible you know, they are responsible officers . so this case is officers. so this case is certainly interesting to me because on one hand, you do have the victims and their families to understand what went on, what happened. and that's their duty and their right those and their right to ask those questions. but also really questions. but it's also really important a country to important for us as a country to know that it is crucial for our officers, especially the terrorism officers, armed. terrorism officers, to be armed. i to be. i mean, they have to be.

>> yeah, it's quite interesting because did ask liam fox because we did ask liam fox earlier whether perhaps was earlier whether perhaps it was irresponsible officers irresponsible of these officers to arms and to put down their arms and someone's got in touch with me, a former afo for eight years. he says, you're wrong to say it's irresponsible of them to surrender their permits. carrying firearm is voluntary, carrying a firearm is voluntary, cannot be compulsory . they're cannot be compulsory. they're well their rights to well within their rights to refuse well within their rights to reflthey >> they are. >> they are. >> but what done is >> but what they've done is denude the capital city, which is always a potential terror target. don't how many target. we don't know how many terrorists foiled terrorists attacks are foiled every week, every month. it's they are made. they've made. it makes me feel this city is not so safe. >> it isn't safe. and it's incredibly dangerous situation. we on people more we rely on these people far more than because so much of than we know because so much of the work they do, we never get to i know. and i'm to hear about. i know. and i'm just wondering, your just wondering, you know, your other work, andrew, other place of work, andrew, sort like, you know, the sort of like, you know, the parliament. i mean, what's happening mean , are happening there? i mean, are they still being they are they still being protected by armed response units ? i mean, i don't know. units? i mean, i don't know. i know . know. >> well, yeah. i mean, and you think outside number 10, outside tony blair's house, wherever he

goes, he's got armed officers with him. >> so it's a very, very dangerous for our politicians as well. and you know, we've lost jo cox and david amess. i mean, so, you know, it is incredibly dangerous. what are the dangerous. and what are the officers who are protecting them now your armed with now going to do? your armed with someone a knife or with someone with a knife or with a gun themselves and you've got. >> truncheon yeah . well, >> truncheon yeah, yeah. well, let's is resolved. let's hope this is resolved. >> very >> well, you just just very briefly on that, keith palmer was police officer standing was the police officer standing on outside the palace of on guard outside the palace of westminster parliament, and he was repeatedly stabbed because there was no police there was no armed police officer particular officer at that particular entrance to parliament. and he was stabbed to death. and the bloke who who killed him was shot dead by a minister's driver. yes. who was armed ? yes. driver. yes. who was armed? yes. and it was the defence secretary, michael fallon. >> and we could potentially be in situation. in that situation. >> yeah. >> ian. yeah. >> ian. yeah. >> can't help but constant >> can't help but think constant bashing the police get. >> they do a great job over institutional yeah, institutional problems. yeah, but they do a great job, but they do and a great job. >> should we move on? yeah. should we move on to the express? because the express is reporting page 19 that

reporting on page 19 that 400,000 patient s are spending the entire day, i.e. 24 hours in a&e waiting to see someone but wants to go on this. >> i mean, firstly for me, this is insane. >> i mean, firstly for me, this isinsane.i >> i mean, firstly for me, this is insane. i know accident and emergency is crucial. it's important people want to go there and they want to be seen. i mean, the numbers are this thing. around 400,000 patients. that's huge number. and one of that's a huge number. and one of the things that dawn and i were discussing is do people actually know when something's actual know when something's an actual emergency? if so, why are emergency? and if so, why are they there day ? they there all day? >> it can't be an >> yeah, and it can't be an emergency well, not. emergency. well, it's not. >> so this is about >> so i think this is about educating about educating yourself about symptoms things you perhaps symptoms of things you perhaps don't need to take yourself to. a&e wait there all day, because if there all day, if you can sit there all day, dawn, you assume for 24 hours it's and it's not that critical and medical emergency, is it? >> i think lot to >> well, i mean, i think lot to be unkind the 400,000 people. be unkind to the 400,000 people. >> being a bit unkind, >> you are being a bit unkind, unkind. >> but, know, could >> but, you know, this could just symptom of an nhs that just be a symptom of an nhs that simply is not working. >> a legitimate >> rather, it's a legitimate point, it? point, isn't it? >> people go a&e >> too many people go to a&e because basics, can't

because the basics, they can't get to a gp. >> well, that's the i was >> well, that's the point i was going i mean, going to make, andrew. i mean, i, i unlucky to break i, i was unlucky enough to break my my my shoulder, fracture my shoulder, couldn't to shoulder, and i couldn't get to see gp. couldn't to see see a gp. i couldn't get to see anyone medically qualified. so i had mean, had to go to a&e. i mean, i wasn't sick. i was i think i was only about 4 or 5 hours. only there about 4 or 5 hours. so wasn't the end of the so it wasn't the end of the world, but it wasn't an emergency wasn't emergency emergency. i wasn't going you probably it going to die. you probably it was quite painful and was going to die. you probably it wa oneite painful and was going to die. you probably it wa oneite pilnful and was going to die. you probably it wa oneite pii could1d was going to die. you probably it wa oneite pii could see. was no one else i could see. >> no. >> no. >> do you know where i had a good experience? both bournemouth was good experience? both bhadiemouth was good experience? both bhad anouth was good experience? both bhad a anrth was good experience? both bhad a an e—scooter was good experience? both bhad a an e—scooter accident.as i had a an e—scooter accident. >> start. >> don't start. >> don't start. >> me very quickly. >> don't start. >> yes. me very quickly. >> don't start. >> yes. they ery quickly. >> don't start. >> yes. they should:kly. >> don't start. >> yes. they should be '. >> don't start. >> yes. they should be banned. they should be banned after that. another story that. but that's another story i was going is got was going to add is we've got a rising number of cases where people suffering lot people are suffering from a lot of anxiety in general with life. >> so i think that's was >> so i think that's i was reading some about it and reading some stats about it and i a lot people can't i think a lot of people can't determine, you know, they think they're some kind of they're having some kind of heart something heart attack or something and they're to they're taking themselves to a&e when anxiety. when it's just anxiety. so we have that number. and have a rise in that number. and then calling 101, then when they're calling 101, they're , i can't breathe. they're saying, i can't breathe. and, these very and, you know, giving these very these symptoms and these these scary symptoms and they're yourself they're saying, take yourself to a&e. is sort of

a&e. so this is the sort of culmination of lacking of culmination of the lacking of gp appointments anxiety and appointments and anxiety and then just getting a rise then we're just getting a rise of waiting around because of them waiting around because they be seen . they just want to be seen. >> i was born with >> yeah, well, i was born with hospitals, then. hospitals, so good then. >> well, just very >> well, they just saw me very quickly gb news quickly and they had gb news playing waiting room. playing in the waiting room. marvellous. i just clarify, marvellous. can i just clarify, were you on the scooter or were you hit by a scooter? i was on the scooter and did the scooter and i did not control scooter well. the scooter and i did not cont i »l scooter well. the scooter and i did not conti crashed )oter well. the scooter and i did not conti crashed into well. the scooter and i did not conti crashed into a well. the scooter and i did not conti crashed into a not well. the scooter and i did not conti crashed into a not aell. the scooter and i did not conti crashed into a not a wall and i crashed into a not a wall but a well fence. >> at least you didn't crash into a person. >> well, exactly. >> well, exactly. >> that's better. sorry. sorry for the wall. >> no, i have made your injuries more. >> i had not been drinking. i was not scooting and dreaming about those scooters because they're about those scooters because the they're licenced. they >> they're not licenced. they don't have number plates. and they. don't have number plates. and they . they too fast. they. they go too fast. >> i go up to there is a >> i can go up to there is a speed limit them, but they speed limit on them, but they can to 65 miles. can go up to 65 miles. >> yeah, i agree. >> yeah, i agree. >> by the ones i've >> actually, by the ones i've got 65 miles an hour and they relied on lane i'm relied on cycle lane and i'm cycle are muggers cycle and there are muggers charter can come charter because they can come up behind you. >> whack yeah. what do you think bushra digressed bushra i know we've digressed terribly about the scooters. >> yeah, the scooters. scooters. >> ieah, the scooters. scooters.

>> i eah, tithere ioters. scooters. >> ieah, tithere a:ers. scooters. >> ieah, tithere a menace. no, don't. >> i think it's quite nifty. no, no, haven't got mean, no, i haven't got one. i mean, my kids used to have one until i realised this started realised that this started blowing up at home and then i got really frightened. >> yes, that's the point. yes. that was in kill people. >> yes, that's the point. yes. that burnt| kill people. >> yes, that's the point. yes. that burnt housesl people. >> yes, that's the point. yes. that burnt houses down. le. >> yes, that's the point. yes. thathey nt houses down. le. >> yes, that's the point. yes. thathey nt ho burningvn. le. >> yes, that's the point. yes. thathey nt ho burning houses, >> they were burning houses, literally. thought, i'm literally. i thought, okay, i'm not to take the risk. literally. i thought, okay, i'm not going to take the risk. literally. i thought, okay, i'm not going to to take the risk. literally. i thought, okay, i'm not going to get) take the risk. literally. i thought, okay, i'm not going to get rid ke the risk. literally. i thought, okay, i'm not going to get rid of the risk. literally. i thought, okay, i'm not going to get rid of them.;k. i'm going to get rid of them. and i had two of them and ijust and i had two of them and i just got i got absolutely rid of them. and don't. oh them. and yeah, i don't. oh don't don't endorse the don't i don't endorse the scooters, ones. scooters, the electric ones. >> i don't like. yeah. >> you've got you've got two students them at the students going on them at the same time. come on one scoot. >> did abandon now your scooter. >> what have done? it wasn't mine. i just rented you know, >> i just rented it. you know, i just there. you just. just have them there. you just. you your phone on it and you you put your phone on it and you take it away. yeah. so do we have time another story? have time for another story? do what? to? jill what? should we go to? jill dando? >> no.cant dando? >> no. can't believe it. >> no. can't believe it. >> and i are enough. >> yeah, i you were going >> yeah, i knew you were going to say well, true. to say that. well, it's true. >> can you believe it? >> 23 years. can you believe it? no i can't believe it. >> i was lucky enough to >> and i was lucky enough to interview jill dando several times and she times as well. and she was lovely. really was lovely. times as well. and she was lowjust really was lovely. times as well. and she was lowjust real people .ovely. times as well. and she was lowjust realpeople.oveljshe was. >> dawn. she was a crimewatch

presenter. she was bbc journalist was journalist and she was a crimewatch and it crimewatch presenter. and it obviously this happened in 1999. crimewatch presenter. and it obviwasy this happened in 1999. crimewatch presenter. and it obviwas assassinated ed in 1999. crimewatch presenter. and it obviwas assassinated literally)9. crimewatch presenter. and it obiheris assassinated literally)9. crimewatch presenter. and it obiher doorstepnated literally)9. crimewatch presenter. and it obiher doorstep in:ed literally)9. crimewatch presenter. and it obiher doorstep in west erally)9. crimewatch presenter. and it obiher doorstep in west london. on her doorstep in west london. and it was utterly shocking. i think i'd interviewed her. andrew literally a week, maybe a couple weeks before really? couple of weeks before really? and wow , we got on and we got, oh, wow, we got on really terribly nice. and we got, oh, wow, we got on reaiwomanily nice. and we got, oh, wow, we got on reaiwoman wasn't. and we got, oh, wow, we got on reaiwoman wasn't she? >> woman wasn't she? >> woman wasn't she? >> lovely. she was >> she was lovely. she was absolutely. utterly absolutely. i was utterly shocked by the thing. and shocked by the whole thing. and i'm utterly shocked. now, shocked by the whole thing. and i'm this utterly shocked. now, shocked by the whole thing. and i'm this story.y shocked. now, shocked by the whole thing. and i'm this story isshocked. now, shocked by the whole thing. and i'm this story is aboutd. now, shocked by the whole thing. and i'm this story is about the ow, shocked by the whole thing. and i'm this story is about the new this this story is about the new netflix which is going out netflix show, which is going out and her assassin finally and could her assassin finally be found as we know, there was a wrongful conviction of what was his name? >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> i'll google him while you're sorry. >> there was a wrongful arrest and conviction and someone who had learning difficulties. yeah. and now ? now they are and now? now they are reinvesting in the case. they are talking to someone who was serving time in prison and they think they've unearthed new. >> it was barry. think they've unearthed new. >> it was barry . george, barry. >> it was barry. george, barry. >> it was barry. george, barry. >> george who was. i'm so sorry. yeah. the thing is, andrew, i've been reading about this and there doesn't seem to be

anything new in it at the time. there all these theories anything new in it at the time. there obviouslyase theories anything new in it at the time. there obviously shetheories anything new in it at the time. there obviously she presented about obviously she presented crime watch. she upset a lot of underworld figures. there was a serbian. serbian connection. yeah absolutely. because she had done some work with kosovan refugees and also the kenneth noye. do you remember kenneth knew the m25 murder, road rage , knew the m25 murder, road rage, murder. he served time for that. and one of the main big drama about him, i'll tell you very one of the main reasons he went down was giordano's crime watch. yeah, a cold blooded yeah, and he was a cold blooded killer. and so there is lots of speculation. yeah, he was the brink's—mat man, wasn't he? yes, he was. >> so do know, does she >> yes. so do you know, does she ring ? nng? >> yes, totally. mean, when >> yes, totally. i mean, when that story when that happened , i that story when that happened, i was about 16 years old and i just i just recall it being everywhere. it was i mean, ultimately, this ultimately, for me, this is about getting closure. ultimately, for me, this is abotwhen getting closure. ultimately, for me, this is abotwhen somethingg closure. ultimately, for me, this is abotwhen something likeisure. ultimately, for me, this is abotwhen something like that and when something like that happens, there's a part of happens, there's just a part of you wants to know you that really wants to know who did this to my child, who did to sibling. did this to my sibling. and i think having netflix think having a netflix documentary about it, which is coming tomorrow, could coming out tomorrow, could

certainly finding out certainly help with finding out who it was. so i think there potentially could be something positive. >> is the case closed? >> is the case closed? >> still open. >> it's still open. >> it's still open. so >> it's still open. so people are still right. and this is going up the ante. going to up the ante. >> she had a fiance who was a very distinguished gynaecologist, alan farthing. didn't deliver the didn't he deliver some of the royal he did. royal babies? yes he did. >> yeah, absolutely. royal babies? yes he did. >> soah, absolutely. royal babies? yes he did. >> soah, a storytely. everything. >> so this story had everything. >> so this story had everything. >> a household name. she >> she was a household name. she was popular. yeah she >> she was a household name. she was a popular. yeah she >> she was a household name. she was a brave jular. yeah she >> she was a household name. she was a brave ,jlar. yeah she >> she was a household name. she was a brave , brave aah she >> she was a household name. she was a brave , brave woman she >> she was a household name. she was a brave , brave woman bye was a brave, brave woman by presenting crimewatch. but none of us ever thought her life would be at risk. >> well, no, i mean, she. she did. when interviewed, did. well, when i interviewed, she because asked she did mention because i asked that an obvious that question to an obvious question. you know, you do actually lot of people actually send a lot of people down, you worried about down, aren't you worried about your safety ? your own safety? >> her that and she >> you asked her that and she said yes, but she think said yes, but she doesn't think about much . about it too much. >> and then obviously, a couple of absolutely fascinating. >> i'm sure many of will >> i'm sure many of us will be tuning to netflix series tuning in to that netflix series , in next few moments, , but in the next few moments, thank you very much. fantastic. yeah they'll be back later. good. but in the next few moments, we'll be joined by mark white again, home white again, our home and security live from security editor who is live from

the lampedusa . the the island of lampedusa. the global is global migrant crisis is worsening there and the counter—terrorism officers are laying their arms in laying down their arms in london, which is a very deeply worrying moment. >> gb news on. are we are >> we are gb news on. are we are we are. britain's news. britain's newsroom on gb news. >> that's on britain's news channel. and i'm andrew pierce. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> good morning. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to the next few days, we will see some sunnier and brighter moments. but watch out for wednesday . could turn very for wednesday. could turn very windy some of us. back to windy for some of us. back to the here and now. lots of sunshine there actually sunshine out there actually across england and across parts of england and wales. maybe a little bit wales. still maybe a little bit of and just of overnight rain and cloud just to the far southeast. to clear the very far southeast. but for most of really, but for most of us, really, it's a mixture spells and a mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers. scotland and northern ireland seeing the main bulk showers of bulk of the showers and some of these potentially quite these could potentially be quite heavy, rumble heavy, maybe even the odd rumble of and still windy

of thunder and still quite windy here. temper the here. that will temper the temperatures but down temperatures somewhat, but down towards south—east, feeling towards the south—east, feeling quite highs reaching 22 or quite warm. highs reaching 22 or 23 degrees into the evening. a lot of england and wales remaining dry. still the risk of some showers across northern ireland and scotland, especially across more western areas. elsewhere under the clear skies, we could see some mist and fog also forming. then later on in the just starting to the night, just starting to potentially see some heavy showers in across the showers working in across the very far south coast of england. showers working in across the very fa|night1 coast of england. showers working in across the very fa|night foriast of england. showers working in across the very fa|night for all of england. showers working in across the very fa|night for all of us. |land. a mild night for all of us. temperatures staying firmly in double figures. so these showers will then track their way northwards across parts of england through the england as we go through the course morning. course of the morning. elsewhere, any early mist elsewhere, once any early mist and briefly, drier and fog clears briefly, drier and fog clears briefly, drier and brighter, but then further bands of rain moving in from the west, which will be accompanied again strong again by some fairly strong winds. heaviest of the rain for scotland and northern ireland. but despite the wind , it's going but despite the wind, it's going to another fairly one. to be another fairly mild one. temperatures high, the temperatures high, teens in the north, low 20s in the . south north, low 20s in the. south >> the temperatures rising . boxt

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well . well. >> good morning. it's 11:00 well. >> good morning. it's11:00 on monday, the 25th of september. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and emily caron. is europe's migrant crisis worsens? our home and security editor marks mark white is live on the front line in lampedusa . lampedusa. >> i'm here on the italian island of lampedusa, where more than 11,000 migrants have arrived here in the past week. many of those, of course, will end up in northwestern france trying to get to the uk , london, trying to get to the uk, london, an at risk gb news learns all counter—terrorism met firearms officers have stepped back in protest at the charging of one other colleague with murder . other colleague with murder. >> crisis talks are underway . to >> crisis talks are underway. to thin ladies bingo goes politically correct with calls for traditional language such as one little duck to be consigned to history. >> what .

>> what. legacy >> 11 clickety click 66. >> 11 clickety click 66. >> two fat ladies. >> two fat ladies. >> two fat ladies, two fat ladies. i didn't know that was coming up. no, can't believe it. surprise >> here on tv. >> here on tv. >> emily is obviously not a bingo player, but i have been known to play my time. known to play bingo in my time. it a very long time. it was a very long time. >> i can see that now. we'd love to know what you about to know what you think about that everything get in that and everything else. get in touch. at gbnews.com or touch. va's at gbnews.com or tweet first, tweet us at gb news. but first, the with . aaron the news with. aaron >> good morning to you. it's a minute past 11. our anne armstrong here in the newsroom gb news has learned a significant number of armed counter—terrorism officers in london have stepped back from dufies london have stepped back from duties amid an escalating crisis over their legal protection. it comes after a colleague was charged with murder over the shooting of an unarmed black man in south london last year.

almost all armed response vehicles in the capital have also handed in their firearms permits a senior met police commanders are currently in crisis discussions to try to ensure london has an adequate level of protection. the military has been put on standby to respond in event of a to respond in the event of a terror attack. shadow paymaster general jonathan ashworth says people need confidence in the police . police. >> and it's vital that that they have support, but they're also safeguards in place . safeguards in place. >> now there's been a review announced by the home secretary. we don't know the details of that review yet. there's also that review yet. there's also that live prosecution in that court case. so i want to i want as a politician to be careful about how i comment on these matters as you would as you would appreciate . but we would appreciate. but we obviously need to sure we obviously need to make sure we have procedures which have procedures in place which commands the confidence of both the police officers and the communities serve . communities they serve. >> the mayor of greater manchester says the north shouldn't have to pay for the government's of government's mismanagement of the budget. rishi is the hs2 budget. rishi sunak is refusing to guarantee the

planned line between birmingham to manchester. he'll discuss its future with the chancellor this week with a decision expected before the tory party conference in the city next week. mr burnham believes curtailing the project risks creating a north south chasm. but the prime minister insists he is committed to levelling up this kind of speculation that people are making is not right. >> i mean, we've got spades in the ground we're getting on and delivering, but across the north, what we're also doing is connecting and connecting up all the towns and cities the north—east to cities in the north—east to west. that's a really important part will create jobs part of how we will create jobs , drive growth across the region , all part of our plans to level up freeports another up freeports are another good example , whether that's example of that, whether that's in teesside or elsewhere , in teesside or elsewhere, attracting investment, attracting new investment, new businesses coming in, all good examples of government examples of the government levelling up. examples of the government levitheg up. examples of the government levithe home secretary is set to >> the home secretary is set to call unity amongst western call for unity amongst western leaders to combat the global migration suella migration crisis. suella braverman will tell an audience in washington that other countries can learn from the uk's innovative attempts to tackle illegal migrants. she's

questioning whether conventions and frameworks designed and legal frameworks designed more than 50 years ago are still fit for purpose and is calling for a shake—up of the international rules . as the international rules. as the number of nhs appointments cancelled because of strikes in england is expected to surpass a million nhs providers estimate the first double strike action by junior doctors and consultants last week means the country will reach that milestone in figures set to be announced today, the organisation's deputy chief executive, saffron cordery, has labelled it damaging and demoralising. and it comes as new figures show almost 400,000 patients waited 24 hours or more in a&e last year. in england, the royal college of emergency medicine is calling the situation a matter of national shame. shadow health secretary wes streeting says 24 hours in a&e is no longerjust a documentary, but the department of health and social care says nhs recovery plan is bringing improvements prosecutors are seeking a retrial of lucy letby

on one count of attempted murder , the former nurse was jailed for life last month for the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others attempted murder of six others at a hospital in chester in 2015 and 2016. jurors were unable to reach a verdict on six further counts of attempted murder . the counts of attempted murder. the cps is now seeking a retrial on 14 on count 14 only. that relates to the attempted murder of child k, as she denies the charges and has launched an appeal. charges and has launched an appeal . experts are charges and has launched an appeal. experts are warning charges and has launched an appeal . experts are warning the appeal. experts are warning the government won't meet its manifesto pledge to end homelessness by next year . the homelessness by next year. the kerslake commission says there are chronic and unresolved issues in the housing system with a crisis pushing more people onto the streets . the people onto the streets. the number of people sleeping rough last autumn was 25% higher than the same time three years ago. the government says it's spending £2 billion to end rough sleeping for good , and police sleeping for good, and police searching for a missing mother have arrested a 31 year old

woman who attended an east london police station. the woman was also taken to hospital as a precaution. the two children were reported missing from a centre for vulnerable mothers and children. well, they were found in london safe and well. that was in harwich earlier today. officers were looking for 31 year old jamie lee kelly, who left the facility on tuesday with her three year old daughter. and newborn baby boy on tv, on digital radio. and you can just say, play gb news to get us on your smart speaker, too. that's it. now back to andrew and . emily andrew and. emily >> well, breaking news gb news has learnt every met police, counter—terrorism, firearms , counter—terrorism, firearms, firearms officer has stepped back from duty after one of their colleagues was charged with murder. >> yes, crisis talks are underway. the army is on standby to patrol the streets if needed. so our home and security editor mark white, who broke the story. >> he's in lampedusa covering

the migrant crisis. we're going to go to him live. mark i think this is probably unprecedented, isn't it . isn't it. >> it certainly a significant crisis for the metropolitan police, i should say that scotland yard have put out a statement that in the last few minutes denying , saying that minutes denying, saying that every counter—terrorism specialist, firearms officer has stepped back from duty. they say that there are some that are still on duty, but the information that we have received is at the very least that a very significant number of these counter—terrorism specialist firearms officers have stepped back from duty. a source had said it was everyone bar five live who were on annual leave . now, that may have leave. now, that may have changed since our source got that information . what is true that information. what is true is the metropolitan police senior managers are in crisis talks with with armed officers to try to ensure that those

who've handed in what they call a blue ticket, which is effectively a ticket that gives them authorisation to carry lethal force to carry firearms, they've handed in, they've stepped back in protest. what was a development last week in the prosecution of one of their number, an officer known only as 1 to 1 who's been charged with murder . the 1 to 1 who's been charged with murder. the murder of chris kaba in london on the 5th of september last year. he was driving a car that was linked to gun crime. it was pulled over by armed police officers and in the operation to detain mr kaba, one of those officers discharged his weapon and chris kaba was struck in the head and died in hospital in the head and died in hospital in the head and died in hospital in the early hours of the following morning . the decision following morning. the decision as to say to prosecute that officer, a controversial decision that many firearms

officers believes change changes the picture in terms of the way in which armed incidents are assessed going forward . they assessed going forward. they believe that they're not getting the support that they deserve from senior managers within the metropolitan police. they feel that these split second decisions that they often make in the most difficult of circumstances can be analysed forensic hinckley many years after the event, and they may well find themselves in court facing serious charges. so they're very concerned going forward and that's why many of these officers have decided to embark on what they call a penod embark on what they call a period of reflection in effectively handing in their firearms certificates until they can get a satisfactory response from the metropolitan police . from the metropolitan police. and we know that the home secretary, who's issued support to firearms officers, has now

now embarked or launched an urgent review into armed policing . i guess to look at the policing. i guess to look at the way in which these decisions are made and assess it after the fact. >> mark, you are in lampedusa, which has been called well, now the heart of europe's migrant surge. i think most people watching will want to know . watching will want to know. 11,000 people have crossed to this island in the last week or so. does this mean that we could see a surge in channel crossings to as a result? yeah almost certainly , because we have seen certainly, because we have seen in throughout the period that we've had a migrant crisis that many of those who land on europe's southern shores work their way up. >> not all of them are headed to the uk. many of them are headed to germany or france . other more

to germany or france. other more prosperous northern european countries . but yes, many of them countries. but yes, many of them want to get to the uk. so if we see a surge as we've been seeing in italy with more than 130,000 crossing this year so far, which is more than double the number who crossed at this period last yean who crossed at this period last year, then yes, that is likely to feed through on those that find themselves in these migrant camps around dunkirk, around calais , and further south around calais, and further south around boulogne . why boulogne. why >> why our home security editor in lampedusa . so, mark, thanks in lampedusa. so, mark, thanks for joining us. and of course, we'll keep us up to date on that ongoing crisis in the metropolitan police. >> about talk >> yeah, we talk about we talk about prosperous northern european countries . european countries. >> how long will we be prosperous? well and politically, if they don't get to with this migrant to grips with this migrant crisis , they're doomed. crisis, they're doomed. >> the tories and they can go on as much as they like about the fact that keir starmer is policy of what was it, burden sharing could lead 100,000 coming in. could lead to 100,000 coming in.

well, tories have had years well, the tories have had years to grips it. they've to get to grips with it. they've tried it sorted with tried to get it sorted out with sending rwanda, but sending people to rwanda, but i'd have faith going i'd have no faith they're going to sorted out. yeah, i to get it sorted out. yeah, i mean, look at it's just appalling. >> yeah. europe has a has a choice really, don't they? they do. what they going to do do. what are they going to do anyway? were defined anyway? they were defined by their stop brexit stance four years ago, they changed their stop brexit stance four yearstune? they changed their stop brexit stance four yearstune? i'm they changed their stop brexit stance four yearstune? i'm talkingey changed their stop brexit stance four yearstune? i'm talking about1ged their stop brexit stance four yea liberal i'm talking about1ged their stop brexit stance four yea liberal democrats. about1ged their stop brexit stance four yea liberal democrats. we'llt1ged their stop brexit stance four yea liberal democrats. we'll bead the liberal democrats. we'll be joined our joined by tom harwood, our deputy political editor, live from liberal democrat conference. >> exciting bournemouth. i'm so wish i could have been there with him. >> he with britain's newsroom

christys on gb news. i'm gb news radio . radio. >> it's 1116 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pearson, bev turner and emily carver. >> benny carver. goodness me. >> benny carver. goodness me. >> and delighted it is you too, emily. >> and i know you can't just. >> and i know you can't just. >> excitement has been building since we said we're going to the liberal democrat conference in bournemouth. tom harwood, who is our deputy political editor. he's right now. tom, are he's there right now. tom, are you overwhelmed with excitement 7 ? >> 7- >> oh, it's ? >> oh, it's delightful to be here in sunny bournemouth. andrew because this is the event of the year, really. the liberal democrat party conference. i have to say it's a particular delight for me in my new role as deputy political editor at gb news. it's the first liberal democrat conference i've ever been to. i've been to the labour and the tory conferences for years and years and years now. but special

but this, this is a special treat because liberal treat because the liberal democrats themselves on democrats pride themselves on being internally democrats . that being internally democrats. that means there can be some real rouse on the floor of the conference and it means that we can see liberal democrat activists actually really going at each other on policy. that's the heart of the lib dem conference. and to some extent, what happens on the floor at this conference is more interesting than what happens on the floor at the tory or the labour conferences. >> you've really sold it to us there, tom i think everyone is now actually very genuinely excited. so what kind of fighting could we see? what policies are the sticking points this year ? there is a real this year? there is a real sticking point between the leadership of the liberal democrats and the membership of the liberal democrats on the issue of brexit. >> generally, what we see with the membership of the lib dems , the membership of the lib dems, which grew, of course during the brexit years when they adopted, i'm not sure if i can say this at this time in the morning on daytime television, but they adopted slogan to brexit an adopted a slogan to brexit is an

official , an adopted a slogan to brexit is an official, an official liberal democrat party slogan that attracted a lot of radical pro—eu activists to the party. but now the leadership keep going after lots of seats that are held by the conservatives going after lots of seats that voted leave in the eu referendum. the leadership doesn't want to talk about rejoining the eu, but the membership elements of the membership elements of the membership really do want to talk about that. so there's this tension that is existing throughout this conference and indeed several motions, whether it be on the single market or even further integration with the european union, creating some some perhaps tension there between the leadership and the membership up due . membership up due. >> tom, just before we let you go to the exciting debates there, of course, jo swinson , there, of course, jo swinson, who was the short lived lib dem leader in the last general election, she had a disastrous policy, in view . if you vote policy, in my view. if you vote lib dem were in government effectively that was the end of brexit. did lib brexit. not only did the lib dems badly, she lost her dems do very badly, she lost her seat. of course she did.

>> and it was a remarkable policy for a party that had democrats in the name of it to be advocating not a second referendum, but simply cancel the whole thing altogether. i think that that was no doubt one of the reasons why the lib dems didn't do as well as they thought they would in 2019. if we remember back to the start of that election, the lib dems were putting out leaflets with joe swinsons face on them saying that britain's next prime minister . that britain's next prime minister. there was a time that the lib dems were vying around the lib dems were vying around the same level as the other three parties at the time. brexit all vying brexit party included all vying around 25% of the vote. but of course things massively changed over the summer of 2019, leading up to that december election . it up to that december election. it was a remarkable time in politics and although now we've sort of moved away from that time where everything seemed so up in the air, what we're seeing is a very different strategy from the liberal democrats at the moment . they're not the moment. they're not pretending ed davey is to

pretending that ed davey is to going next prime minister going be the next prime minister of kingdom. but what of the united kingdom. but what they are hinting at is potentially to be done potentially deals to be done with labour party. we're with the labour party. we're seeing reports morning that seeing reports this morning that they put green belt they would put a green belt protection policy at the heart of any potential coalition or deal talks with sir keir starmer. and we're also seeing from the leadership of the liberal democrat s that they're not talking about collecting the largest possible across largest votes possible across the country as perhaps they might have done in the past. they're looking at a very targeted strategy of certain seats where they'll send in lots and lots of resources as lots and lots of resources as lots and lots of activists to not get the highest national vote share, but instead to get the highest number of seats that they possibly can. >> that's tom harwood , who's >> that's tom harwood, who's excited for his first liberal democrat conference. our deputy, tom, thanks for joining us and we'll be speaking to him again. i'm sure, this week. >> i don't understand why they don't we're the party don't just say we're the party of rejoining the european union , otherwise sets , because otherwise what sets them apart from blocking

housing? >> john is here. >> john is here. >> political commentator. why don't they join? because he is. tom's right. he's ducking and diving. leader here, ed diving. the leader here, ed davey he absolutely is. >> this partly he has >> i think this is partly he has a problem. like tom was saying, you've lot of these you've got a lot of these activists let's face it, a conference. >> just activists. it's >> it's not just activists. it's the ones . because, you the keenest ones. because, you know, why go to the lib dem conference could have conference when you could have a few days on holiday somewhere? yeah. and they are very keen on reversing brexit. but ed davey, he wants to have a broad appeal. we've got a public who, even if they lean remain or even think about rejoining, are kind of sick of talking about sick about of talking about brexit and he's particularly going to be trying to target a lot of tory, lib dem marginal seats , maybe trying to appeal to seats, maybe trying to appeal to some people who even voted for brexit. so getting bogged down in a bit of a political in that is a bit of a political dead end for him. we saw four years ago it didn't work for the party. they don't want to run that again end up where they that again and end up where they are moment with dozen are at the moment with a dozen seats so. are at the moment with a dozen seatom so. are at the moment with a dozen seatom talking about talk are at the moment with a dozen sea tom talking about talk of >> tom talking about talk of coalition of coalition with labour, of

course, seared course, coalition is seared on him davey was in the him because ed davey was in the coalition government. he lost. did he not lose his seat? i think in 2015 then came back think in 2015 and then came back in 2017 election? in the 2017 election? >> he was part of that wave >> yes, he was part of that wave of lib dems who saw their vote share drop, particularly their was him. there was people like vince cable, sort of outer london and sort of some of the home county seats where the lib dems really suffered. and so now it's part of their their their way back is to win a lot of those seats that they did lose in 2015. and they're going to be thinking about how do that. thinking about how they do that. and particularly say and particularly seats, say in the west country where they are big tory, lib dem marginals and they want to profit from the tories unpopular. if tories being unpopular. if labour don't win an outright majority at the next general election and there is talk of a of a coalition of sorts, do you think labour would have to offer the liberal democrats much , much. >> do you think they'd be, you know, keen to in power, know, keen to get in power, whatever. i it depends whatever. i think it depends where the numbers finish up. >> i mean, say you get into a

position where you've got 40 or 50 dem mps and the labour 50 lib dem mps and the labour party are short of a majority by that much , then the lib dems are that much, then the lib dems are in a good position to potentially try and force another election. but if labour do slightly better than that and they can be in the position of saying actually, you know what, if you stop our key legislation , we're just going to have another election and we're going to say vote with us to keep the tories out, it puts the lib dems in position. in a really difficult position. >> don't think they'd >> you see, i don't think they'd go formal coalition go into a formal coalition like they did in 2010, 2015. they'd have arrangement they have an arrangement whereby they say, we will support you on as many we can. do you many measures as we can. do you think would more likely? think that would be more likely? >> far more >> i think that's far more likely. what in technical likely. so what in technical terms called a confidence and terms is called a confidence and supply motion, is supply motion, which is basically budget basically when you have a budget that the house, we that has to clear the house, we will that anything will back that anything that's a sort confidence issue we will sort of confidence issue we will support but everything support you on. but everything else take view on. but else we will take a view on. but it becomes very interesting it also becomes very interesting for the lib dems internally if you get in that position because it becomes a whipping operation.

you know, if you have 50 mps, are all going to take the are they all going to take the line on everything or is it is it and, you it going to split? and, you know, some of know, potentially some of the fights at fights you're seeing at conference will play through to that because they are a party that's divided lot of that's divided on a lot of issues and likes saying different things to different groups of voters and that becomes to manage becomes very hard to manage with a party when a parliamentary party when you've it comes down to it you've when it comes down to it and you're voting in the lobbies, really so lobbies, they really do so and no more. >> so than when it comes to the issue thing, there's issue of housing thing, there's a a conflict there a bit of a conflict there between some members of the liberal and their liberal democrats and their younger members course younger members who of course are desperate more housing. are desperate for more housing. but the lib dems, they do well on in local seats by saying, you know what, we'll, you know, stand that stand against that infrastructure project. we'll stand against those ugly housing blocks . blocks. >> s and what i think they're also one of the few parties that are clear on what they're to going hs2 . going do on hs2. >> yes. so that's of the >> yes. so that's one of the things we've been seeing in things that we've been seeing in the last few days . the tories the last few days. the tories have been very confused. labour seem confused as

seem to have been as confused as confused, whereas the lib dems, they're at least sticking to a hymn sheet on one thing. >> so can they say they're going to go? they want to carry on with it, they want to carry on with it, they want to carry on with it. >> they're sort of we've invested so much, so far. we will plough on. but will we will plough on. but again, cause some again, that starts to cause some issues. chesham and amersham is one seats. won one of those seats. they won a by—election the by—election that is bang on the route, but not one of those seats that really feel see seats that really feel we see the disruption. we see any the disruption. we don't see any of and attacked hs2 in the >> and they attacked hs2 in the chesham election, chesham amersham by election, they a massive swing. and they won on a massive swing. and yet they nationally yet here they are nationally saying we'll support yeah, yet here they are nationally say ag we'll support yeah, yet here they are nationally say a classic. ;upport yeah, yet here they are nationally say a classic. theyrt yeah, yet here they are nationally say a classic. they say yeah, yet here they are nationally say a classic. they say oneih, it's a classic. they say one thing who's listening thing locally to who's listening and another in a different part of the country really. >> in 2010 that was when they got caught out. went into a got caught out. they went into a government the government with the conservatives and they had to start adopting positions on that. it would be that. and i think it would be the position. know, the same position. you know, particularly housing, particularly around housing, for example, labour example, say there is a labour minority government. they're going come in with some bold, going to come in with some bold, ambitious housing plans , is ambitious housing plans, is they're look to the lib they're going to look to the lib dems to support those, but you're in a position

you're going to be in a position where got of lib where you've got a lot of lib dem who say, well, i want on dem mps who say, well, i want on here because said no building here because i said no building in constituency, no , no, no, in the constituency, no, no, no, no building on the greenbelt. why why would i throw myself under the bus to vote for this? so it's one of those things that it wins as an electoral strategy. but at a certain point, you're called to the push and you saw in 2015, they lost 40, 50 seats. you know, they went from being a big force in politics to being really on the fringes as potentially they could come back again in. but does lead to these sort of does it lead to these sort of decisions ? decisions? >> well, thank you very much indeed for your time. john oxley there. commentator, there. political commentator, very much mostly on the liberal democrat conference. >> we've got the big, big event tomorrow. >> john, we didn't ask you about that. sorry. it's the that. oh, sorry. no, it's the leader's tomorrow . mhm. leader's speech tomorrow. mhm. >> everyone >> absolutely. which everyone i'm sure will have blocked out some time in calendar to some time in their calendar to watch. already said what >> and he's already said what time does it start. >> what time does it finish. it's a live it's will we be taking a live feed. we won't be taking live

feed. we won't be taking a live feed. we won't be taking a live feed. pretty sure it's the feed. i'm pretty sure it's the big match atmosphere. >> everyone will their beers >> everyone will get their beers and ed and snacks in. ready for ed davey's. big speech, i'm sure. >> i like their little >> i do like their little stunts, though. their stunts, though. yeah, their little yeah those of cannon. yeah those sorts of things. hammer the wall. >> these hammer the wall. >> these hammer the wall. >> they're demolishing blue >> they're demolishing the blue wall they're demolishing. wall that they're demolishing. >> convinced , he >> john's not so convinced, he says davey can't answer says sir ed davey can't answer a question . will you us back question. will you take us back into eu? and and into the eu? round and round and round no answer comes. we round we go. no answer comes. we still don't know. >> there's the. there's the cannon. >> they all look very pleased. yeah, very, pleased be yeah, very, very pleased to be liberal don't liberal democrat. i just don't understand . i just see understand. i just don't see where liberal democrats set where the liberal democrats set themselves any other themselves apart from any other party decide to party unless they decide to adopt you an unashamed adopt a you know, an unashamed pro—european union position. >> he's absolutely not going to do that. >> because why not? >> because why not? >> because why not? >> because labour isn't because he wants to get some tory voters who might have voted brexit time. >> so he he's he's sitting on the fence. >> he's sitting on the fence. we're so used to our politicians sitting on the fence. rishi sunak to say some more sunak starting to say some more , which is pushing keir starmer to to reveal more. so to start to reveal more. so there you go.

>> exactly. >> 5 some emails i >> we've got some emails i haven'tdo actually have lots of >> we do actually have lots of emails. i'll let you read on the on police, on the armed officers. >> got f.— >> we've got some interesting ones. yes, a yes. someone's ones. um yes, a yes. someone's written in who was actually was an afo for ten years between the middle of the 70s to the mid 80s. he says. we were all aware that we had to make life or death decisions that affected us all. criminal, in the time all. the criminal, in the time it takes to snap your fingers. consequently. consequently, it takes to snap your fingers. conse arrested, zonsequently, it takes to snap your fingers. consearrested, seriousently, i was arrested, serious criminals gunpoint. relied i was arrested, serious cri|the1ls gunpoint. relied i was arrested, serious cri|the informationint. relied i was arrested, serious cri|the information we relied i was arrested, serious cri|the information we received on the information we received before target . before deploying to our target. it's a very tense situation , i it's a very tense situation, i can assure you . i was lucky i can assure you. i was lucky i was not shot, nor did i shoot to kill, as was required. well, that just shows just how difficult these decisions are and how important it is to have these officers, these trained officers working. >> impossible job, isn't it? >> because they're if they do. they're if they don't. and of course, these these counter—terror officers have withdrawn their their arms . withdrawn their their arms. there's a large number of them, not all of them , but equally the not all of them, but equally the police cannot the public have to

feel they're going to be protected from armed police officers. you may get the wrong make the wrong decision. >> yeah. and dennis says before apportioning an officer apportioning blame on an officer and perhaps and charging him, perhaps the finger should be with finger of blame should be with theresa may for cutting the police force by she did police force by 20,000. she did . do say they've . i mean, they do say they've got made up those the got those made up those the trouble got those made up those the trotbut not enough of the people >> but not enough of the people who experienced police who left were experienced police officers and the new ones. >> obviously, 20,000 they've >> obviously, the 20,000 they've come definition , they're come in, by definition, they're inexperienced, very inexperienced, very inexperienced . yes. inexperienced. yes. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and you can't afford to lose experience she went to experience because she went to the said, the police federation and said, you're need you're bluffing. we don't need as many. you can lose the numbers. and it was terrible numbers. and it was a terrible thing for a tory prime minister to do. >> mean, just a terrible >> i mean, just a terrible feeling as well. feeling of safety as well. >> you bobby on the >> when you see a bobby on the beat, as it were, you do feel more safe then? not very often. certainly not some of certainly not in some parts of london. beverly says police should backed should be protected and backed up. why would they join up. why else would they join the service? think that is service? i think that is a really, really important point. as much as they need to be accountable also to accountable, they also need to be supported and respected, in my view, and they don't feel

like are being supported like they are being supported over absolutely over this case. no, absolutely not. we'll see how long this goes on for. we'll be getting the very latest mark white the very latest from mark white throughout the i'm sure. throughout the day. i'm sure. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> but still to come is the classic bingo call two fat ladies ? should it be ladies offensive? should it be scrapped even ? scrapped even? >> no. >> no. >> here's the news with . aaron >> here's the news with. aaron >> here's the news with. aaron >> very good morning to you. it's 11:30. i'm aaron armstrong it's11:30. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom . gb news has in the gb newsroom. gb news has learned a significant number of armed counter—terrorism officers in london have stepped back from dufies in london have stepped back from duties amid an escalating crisis over their legal protection. it comes after a colleague was charged with murder over the shooting of chris kaba, an unarmed black man in south london last year. almost all armed response vehicles in the capital have also handed in their firearms permits, seen you met. police commanders are currently in crisis discussions to try ensure london has an to try to ensure london has an adequate level of protection . adequate level of protection. the military has been put on

standby to respond in the event of a terrorist attack . rishi of a terrorist attack. rishi sunak has refused to guarantee the completion of hs2 , but the completion of hs2, but insists he is committed to levelling up. the government claim a decision hasn't been taken yet, despite mounting speculation on the birmingham to manchester. leg is to be scrapped amid spiralling costs. a expected before a decision is expected before the tory party conference next week. the mayor of greater manchester, andy burnham, believes curtailing the project it risks creating a north south chasm. the planned line to east midlands parkway is also under threat . nhs strikes are thought threat. nhs strikes are thought to have led to the cancellation of more than a million appointments since december. figures due to be released later are expected to confirm the milestone in the wake of last week's double strike by junior doctors and concerns its further disruption is expected again next week when the same groups walk out health leaders say there is a human cost for every cancellation, which is damaging and demoralising . more on all of and demoralising. more on all of our stories on our website,

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>> join the live desk on gb news. the people's channel. britain's news . news. the people's channel. britain's news. channel >> it is ten 1138 evening with britain's newsroom on itv news with andrew pierce and emily carver. >> you are indeed . 15 >> you are indeed. 15 unaccompanied child migrants were found to adults, to were found to be adults, to according the sun. well, i guess this is the story we're going to with our panel, former editor of the star, dawn neesom is the daily star, dawn neesom is with push for shake. with us. and push for shake. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and we also desperate to know their views on bingo, bingo call signs. their views on bingo, bingo call sig|let's to that first. so >> let's go to that first. so apparently is joining the apparently bingo is joining the 21st century because woke millennials are ditching traditional calls such as two fat ladies, which of course, is

88. >> why don't they just don't play >> why don't they just don't play bingo? >> just don't play bingo. >> just don't play bingo. >> very boring. yes. i love bingo. >> and some tapestry . yeah. >> so pretty much if you remember our childhood back >> so pretty much if you re|1878, er our childhood back >> so pretty much if you re|1878, andrew our childhood back >> so pretty much if you re|1878, andrew and childhood back >> so pretty much if you re|1878, andrew and now hood back >> so pretty much if you re|1878, andrew and now yours)ack >> so pretty much if you re|1878, andrew and now yours is:k in 1878, andrew and now yours is slightly further ago than mine . slightly further ago than mine. >> but how gallant of me , pretty >> but how gallant of me, pretty much every number you play in bingo . bingo. >> and i used to love going to bingo. my granddad, pretty much every has something fun every number has something fun and legs example . and salty legs 11, for example. that's right. you know, i mean, everything has something connected to i mean, just. connected to it. i mean, just. just just call out the number, then. >> yeah, i make it boring. this is police are sucking is the fun police are sucking the fun of life, aren't the fun out of life, aren't they? just vicious? >> simon's written and says >> simon's written and he says on bingo calls on the subject of bingo calls for number 88 to body for the number 88 to body positive. lizzo's doesn't quite have the same ring to it. >> no, it doesn't. >> no, it doesn't. >> we like that person sending more emails. it's almost it's almost a generation almost like we have a generation of youngsters who are just offended everything around offended by everything around them. right. well said. >> are they really they? >> are they really they? >> of course they are. someone being offended their behalf.

being offended on their behalf. >> , you know, do >> i mean, maybe, you know, do they what a game of they even know what a game of bingo is? >> niece does . >> well, my niece does. >> well, my niece does. >> she's east end >> yeah, because she's east end family, knows what game family, so she knows what game of bingo is. she's 25. she's not offended. when were caravan, >> when we were in the caravan, weymouth, ramsgate down the pier or along the pier, probably a better grammar. we play a game of bingo and it was great, but that was prize bingo wasn't it? i won a tin of biscuits , a i won a tin of biscuits, a hammer for my dad that was a weird combination of biscuits and a hammer. weird combination of biscuits ancyes,ammer. weird combination of biscuits ancyes, it1mer. weird combination of biscuits ancyes, it was. really. >> yes, it was. really. >> yes, it was. really. >> we want a of saucepans >> yes, it was. really. >> weisrant a of saucepans >> yes, it was. really. >> weis completely saucepans >> yes, it was. really. >> weis completely useless ans >> yes, it was. really. >> weis completely useless for which is completely useless for me, way. i wouldn't know me, by the way. i wouldn't know what with them. did you what to do with them. did you ever no no. ever use them? no no. >> have you used them since? >> t- y no, no, no. do you >> no, no, no, no, no. do you ever use fell apart? they were the and nasty ones. the real cheap and nasty ones. were put anything were you trying to put anything in the handle just in there and the handle just felli was to get to as who >> i was trying to get to as who does the cooking her house? does the cooking in her house? >> me, darling. there >> well, not me, darling. there are restaurants. >> dawn. >> dawn. now, >> dawn. now, now. >> dawn. now, now, now. >> dawn. now, now, now. >> play online, >> people play bingo online, don't know, don't they? so, you know, there's online industry don't they? so, you know, therapps online industry don't they? so, you know, ther apps stuff ine industry don't they? so, you know, ther apps stuff on industry don't they? so, you know, ther apps stuff on their;try and apps and stuff on their phone, you can play phone, and you can play with people over world. so it people all over the world. so it was a did you ever play was just not a did you ever play it? know, i did. i i didn't

it? you know, i did. i i didn't go to like, you know, actually go to like, you know, actually go for bingo. but had bingo at go for bingo. but i had bingo at home. i used to play with home. so i used to play with the children get children and i used to get together we together with family. and we used to put like a bet. we saw bet bingo who would bet on bingo and who would win. >> was, know. >> and so it was, you know. buzzer that's banned now buzzer but that's banned now because encouraging because it's encouraging children to get into gambling. you can't play toy bingo at home. what are you thinking? >> know, i don't think these >> you know, i don't think these millennials offended. i it's a bit of a power >> i think it's a bit of a power play. you know, we're the we're the control the good guys, a way to control the good guys, a way to control the older generations. maybe tell them that they're not succeeding neesom. succeeding with dawn neesom. >> good with one >> good luck with that. one of the so the older generation there is so much going on here, but much nonsense going on here, but should on to another should we move on to another story right. >> the sun 15 >> we have in the sun 15 unaccompanied migrants in unaccompanied child migrants in the of council the care of the council were found to be adults. funny that. >> and how many times has that happened ? happened? >> loads. i'm absolutely shocked. know, the ones with shocked. you know, the ones with the and adam's apples the beards and the adam's apples and like, six foot tall. and sort of like, six foot tall. all right, all right. i've known. a child. i known. yeah, i'm a child. i mean, you know why? why do we think we surprised think why are we even surprised by why are we by this? i'm not. why are we surprised ? it's like and 15 surprised? it's like and 15 child migrants. there's more than 15. >> there's hundreds, if not

thousands. >> yeah, well, there have been. >> yeah, well, there have been. >> how many stories have had >> how many stories have we had over there's over the years where there's been bloke in class been a big hairy bloke in class with a load of 15 year olds and the kids are going, oh, it's a bloke, it's an adult. >> i know, but also some of these kids then get into some of these kids then get into some of these men, get these grown men, then get into schools, give schools, and then they give young a hard time . young girls a very hard time. what's supposed to be a very simple test they could with simple test they could do with these guys coming in who were clearly much older than 15 at some form of dna test. clearly, they haven't brought it in yet. no, they haven't. >> and they should look, it's important because we want to make even for them as make sure that even for them as migrants themselves, they're make sure that even for them as migrantthe emselves, they're make sure that even for them as migrantthe right lves, they're make sure that even for them as migrantthe right serviceey're getting the right service according age. we don't according to the age. we don't want impersonating according to the age. we don't want and mpersonating according to the age. we don't want and mpersintoing children and going into classrooms , for example, if classrooms, for example, if they're going to schooling with other they're going to schooling with otheis something have this is something that they have to whilst the to look into. and whilst the number is quite number at the moment is quite low, we don't want that increasing. think i think increasing. and i think i think there's a sense of because a lot of don't come with ids as well. >> you know, obviously it's hard to tell, you know, what what their age already is, but if you

have a grown if you have someone in front of you that has a beard and looks like an adult, you know, they're not 15 years old. >> just just say, i don't believe you and you're not going into or and of into a school and or and of course, the trouble is a lot of these they then disappear. >> problem is the charities >> the problem is the charities and , the ngos and often and you know, the ngos and often the opposition, you know, they say that, oh, you can't possibly have age checks because they're unreliable, they're inhumane . an unreliable, they're inhumane. an and all of this there is a very, very simple way of checking someone's age, and that's to get dental checks done. >> what they're to >> that's what they're going to do, they say that's against their >> they say that's against their human stuff. human rights stuff. >> coming here >> it they're coming here illegally. the illegally. they've crossed the channel . lee they're channel illegally. lee they're lying about their age. so forget it. >> and if they're not lying about what's the problem with having a dental check? >> yeah , totally. >> yeah, totally. >> yeah, totally. >> also, as an adult, why >> and also, as an adult, why why to be treated why would you want to be treated like if you're not one? like a child if you're not one? you that is. well, like a child if you're not one? you reasonthat is. well, like a child if you're not one? you reason isat is. well, like a child if you're not one? you reason is the is. well, like a child if you're not one? you reason is the strangestell, like a child if you're not one? you re.isn'tis the strangestell, like a child if you're not one? you re.isn't it the strangestell, like a child if you're not one? you re.isn't it really?ingestell, thing, isn't it really? >> the reason is or as i understand it, is that get,

understand it, is that you get, well, better benefits essentially. you're more likely well, better benefits es putially. you're more likely well, better benefits es putially. y(inre more likely well, better benefits es putially. y(in bettera likely to put be put in better accommodation than you may be able to access. education right off the and you'll be looked off the bat and you'll be looked after more. essentially, if you are unaccompanied child, are an unaccompanied need child, you're looked after. >> and haven't there been stories unaccompanied stories where unaccompanied children put in the children have been put in the care of families? yes that's right. so they are in the spare room of a and dad and sort room of a mum and dad and sort of children of like proper little children in family home. in a private family home. >> but we wouldn't you as a mum or dad, get this, there's something not right about this 15 and people are 15 year old boy and people are scared to say anything because they don't want to be called names here. names on here. >> we're not. >> we're not. >> we're not scared. >> we're not scared. >> not scared. and gb >> no, we're not scared. and gb news. call it out. call it news. we call it out. we call it out. it's happening too often, frequently. it frequently. and frankly, it makes the border makes a mockery of the border and immigration forces , because and immigration forces, because they say you're not they should just say you're not just another another just another mockery, another mockery because it is a joke. >> what's to move to >> what's going to move on to this because this one? because this one, i think one you. yeah. well think is one for you. yeah. well bar is it the bar staff language, is it the bons bar staff language, is it the boris johnson? >> boris johnson, yes now, >> oh, boris johnson, yes. now, this story. he >> oh, boris johnson, yes. now, this a story. he

>> oh, boris johnson, yes. now, this a nanny story. he >> oh, boris johnson, yes. now, this a nanny for story. he >> oh, boris johnson, yes. now, this a nanny for three ory. he >> oh, boris johnson, yes. now, this a nanny for three daysie >> oh, boris johnson, yes. now, this a nanny for three days for had a nanny for three days for the new child, carrie, the wife is in prison. sorry? prison hosphal is in prison. sorry? prison hospital. hospital for. >> just let me feel like a freudian slip. >> she's in hospital for a few days apparently boris's days and apparently boris's mother in law saw boris then as prime minister, having a glass of with the nanny who's of prosecco with the nanny who's going to look after when carrie came her. this came back, sacked her. this could potentially go to court being denied. she's a rather glamorous nanny if she is watching on tv. she's very glamorous 59, let me you glamorous at 59, let me tell you , i've known boris for , i've known boris johnson for a very if there's any very long time. if there's any suggestion carrie he suggestion by carrie he was interested her romantically , interested in her romantically, she'd old for boris. he she'd be a bit old for boris. he likes him very young. >> yes , allegedly. oh, i don't know. >> i think that's. that's a question i raised with dawn earlier. were talking earlier. when we were talking about was she an about it. i was like, was she an attractive about it. i was like, was she an attrverya about it. i was like, was she an attrvery attractive . >> very attractive. >> very attractive. >> and now that i've seen her picture, can see that she picture, i can see that she was. >> yeah, wouldn't >> yeah, but why wouldn't the prime who's employing prime minister, who's employing this woman, want to have have a glass of wine in number 10 with her? why he do that? her? why wouldn't he do that? well, because baby's well, because the baby's not

arrived going to say this was. was. >> was. >> carrie is still hospital >> carrie is still in hospital with the baby, with the first baby. >> yeah, right. okay so there was wasn't drinking was no she wasn't drinking on duty. that was no she wasn't drinking on duty. be that was no she wasn't drinking on duty. be reasonable that was no she wasn't drinking on duty. be reasonable want: was no she wasn't drinking on duty. be reasonable want my would be a reasonable want my husband to be having a of husband to be having a drink of wine nanny, you? wine with the nanny, would you? >> not got any >> well, the has not got any nanny to do at that point. nanny work to do at that point. >> . it's day >> yeah. it's only day three getting know her. i mean getting to know her. i mean i suppose it depends what if you trust your husband breaking the ice? >> can you trust boris johnson? >> can you trust boris johnson? >> also. well, you know, women are also very territorial. and when have another attractive when you have another attractive woman your husband , you woman around your husband, you don't that. don't really want that. >> answer. >> so is the answer. >> so is the answer. >> then you can only have an unattractive nanny. >> then you can only have an unattracright|anny. >> then you can only have an unattrac right . nny. >> then you can only have an unattrac right . well all three of >> yes, right. well all three of you , have you got all of the you, have you got all of the films and the movies and the books that are about the attractive nanny coming in, stealing the husband away? >> mary poppins was not unattractive. no no. she was nanny. >> mrs. doubtfire . mrs. >> mrs. doubtfire. mrs. doubtfire wasn't real. >> that's not real. >> that's not real. >> mrs. doubtfire wasn't real life, okay? dawn's just being difficult. so. no, it's interesting , actually. interesting, actually. >> i've got. i can share a

story. so my sister, nanny mcphee. >> nanny mcphee . >> nanny mcphee. >> nanny mcphee. >> very unattractive. >> very unattractive. >> yes. andrew. yes >> yes. andrew. yes >> wasn't either. >> she wasn't real either. >> she wasn't real either. >> andrew, here's >> okay, andrew, here's a question for you then. right. okay. and your lovely okay. should you and your lovely other okay. should you and your lovely othe needs looking after and that needs looking after and i'd. i know, i know. it's a stupid thing, but should you do that right. would employ that right. would you employ a very handsome young male nanny? >> the whole thing is preposterous. >> i would never have a child. i wouldn't have a child answering that question. >> answer that question. >> answer that question. >> no, no to all of it. >> answer that question. >> no, no to all of it . we >> no, no to all of it. we wouldn't have a kid . wouldn't have a kid. >> well, you know what? everyone should have confidence enough . confidence. >> i'm really. i'm really. i'm reeling from the question. i'm reeling from the question. i'm reeling from the question. i'm reeling from the question. but she knows me well enough. it happens. >> it happens all the time. when you there are stories out there where husbands end up having affairs with the nanny. it's everywhere , right? everywhere, right? >> so you've got to employ an unattractive nanny. you have to. >> so what is your qualification for job? for the job? >> don't look very >> overweight. don't look very nice . spit. smelly. does that nice. spit. smelly. does that help? >> em-

f me. when you're >> look at me. when you're coming up with that description. >> look at me. when you're comiig up with that description. >> look at me. when you're comi mean, iith that description. >> look at me. when you're comi mean, the that description. >> look at me. when you're comi mean, the thingescription. >> look at me. when you're comi mean, the thingesc surely. but i mean, the thing is, surely you should just able to trust you should just be able to trust your is the bottom line your husband is the bottom line here. not nannies fault. >> @ you can @ you can have miss >> so then you can have miss world nanny. world as your nanny. >> i don't children >> yeah. i don't have children enhen >> yeah. i don't have children either. likely either. it's about as likely as you have. >> if dawn elm-ma >> imagine if dawn turned up as the nanny, you know, the pink >> imagine if dawn turned up as the looking ou know, the pink >> imagine if dawn turned up as the looking ou glamorous.e pink suit looking so glamorous. imagine you know, people would be intimidated . be intimidated. >> the idea that dawn neesom would employed would would be employed as someone's likes kids. someone's nanny. she likes kids. >> she likes kids. >> she likes kids. >> she likes kids. >> she doesn't like them that much . much. >> i mean, their kitchens or kids kitchens . kids kitchens. >> well, we know she doesn't even do with a saucepan. >> no. >> no, no. >> no, no. >> i was terrible childminder >> i was a terrible childminder . tried few times. yeah, . i tried it a few times. yeah, right . right. >> terrible. >> terrible. >> well, i've got. i had >> right. well, i've got. i had no that women took such no idea that women took such a hardline view on nannies as well. >> no, actually, we got some. >> no, actually, we got some. >> sorry, dawn, we've got some breaking news. i think. is it breaking news. i think. is it breaking news? yes. it's just been that the killer been announced that the killer nurse, letby, a nurse, lucy letby, faces a retrial over one attempted murder. >> she's seeking a retrial, i think is the point. >> right. well, has she got it ? >> right. well, has she got it? >> right. well, has she got it? >> i don't think we'll know.

>> i don't think we'll know. >> we'll find out. >> we'll find out. >> up next, we're going to be joined. >> got it up. >> got it up. >> she's going to. yes, she is right. that's what it said, right? well, in the right? right. well, in the studio aren't always right. >> me tell f-l f“ >> let me tell you, in the studio patrick christys >> let me tell you, in the stud be patrick christys >> let me tell you, in the stud be joining|trick christys >> let me tell you, in the stud be joining us.k christys will be joining us. >> so we're going to see what's coming up. i don't know. i've never of him. never heard of him. >> a nice bloke i >>i >> i wonder what his view is on nannies . oh, >> i wonder what his view is on nannies. oh, god , no. nannies. oh, god, no. >> first is the weather scrap that the is rising young boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good morning. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to the next few days, we will see some sunnier and brighter moments. but watch out for could turn very for wednesday. could turn very windy for some of us. back to the here and lots of the here and now. lots of sunshine there. actually sunshine out there. actually across parts of england and wales . still maybe a little bit wales. still maybe a little bit of rain and cloud just of overnight rain and cloud just to clear the very far southeast . u5, to clear the very far southeast . us, really, . but for most of us, really, it's mixture of sunny spells . but for most of us, really, it's scattered of sunny spells . but for most of us, really, it's scattered showers' spells . but for most of us, really, it's scattered showers .spells . but for most of us, really, it's scattered showers . scotland and scattered showers. scotland and scattered showers. scotland and northern seeing the and scattered showers. scotland and i\bulkern seeing the

and scattered showers. scotland and i\bulk of seeing the and scattered showers. scotland and i\bulk of the seeing the and scattered showers. scotland and i\bulk of the showers.g the and scattered showers. scotland and i\bulk of the showers. andz main bulk of the showers. and some potentially some of these could potentially be quite heavy, maybe even the odd still odd rumble of thunder and still quite here. that will quite windy here. that will temper the temperatures somewhat . the . but down towards the south—east feeling quite warm. highs reaching 22 or 23 degrees into the evening. a lot of england and wales remaining dry. still the risk of some showers across northern ireland and scotland , especially across more scotland, especially across more western . elsewhere under western areas. elsewhere under the skies, we could see the clear skies, we could see some mist and fog. also forming. then later in the night, just then later on in the night, just starting potentially some starting to potentially see some heavy working across starting to potentially see some hea very working across starting to potentially see some heavery far working across starting to potentially see some hea very far south rking across starting to potentially see some hea very far south coast across starting to potentially see some hea very far south coast ofacross the very far south coast of england. a mild night for all of us. temperatures staying firmly in double figures. so these showers then track their showers will then track their way across of way northwards across parts of england we through the england as we go through the course morning . course of the morning. elsewhere, mist elsewhere, once any early mist and fog clears briefly, drier and fog clears briefly, drier and brighter, but then further band of rain moving in from the west , which will be band of rain moving in from the west, which will be accompanied again some strong again by some fairly strong winds. rain for winds. heaviest of the rain for scotland and northern ireland. but despite the wind, it's going to be another fairly mild one. temperatures teens in the temperatures high teens in the north, 20s in the south.

north, low 20s in the south. >> the temperatures rising. boxt solar our proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> all right. well, patrick christie's has appeared to tell us about his show, which i don't know what his view is on nannies. >> when you're a father, i think that's granny nanny , i'm that's so granny nanny, i'm telling you, it's way a lot of potential stress in the home. >> right. >> w- >> why would that be? >> why would that be? >> i think peace of mind. >> i think that , you know, men >> i think that, you know, men can control themselves regardless of what the nanny looks 100. regardless of what the nanny looksjust 100. regardless of what the nanny looksjust think it's an argument >> i just think it's an argument that's having and that's not worth having and certainly national television. >> right. coming >> right. what's coming up at 3:00? not nannies, 3:00? firearms, not nannies, firearms officers. >> they never will. firearms >> and they never will. firearms officers handing in their guns look very sensitive subject matter around this case. but i want to know, what does this mean for safety on the streets historically? how protected historically? how well protected or have firearms or otherwise have firearms officers actually been ? and officers actually been? and crucially, are they right to do this? okay. are they right to potentially jeopardise public

safety? i've got massive sympathy for them, but i don't think doctors should be going on strike. >> this is the thing, putting people's lives risk. and >> this is the thing, putting peoplypolicees risk. and >> this is the thing, putting peoplypolice officers,. and >> this is the thing, putting peoplypolice officers, great these police officers, great sympathy. i've got they potentially people's sympathy. i've got they poteratilly people's lives at risk. >> yeah, that. so we'll >> yeah, exactly that. so we'll be having that discussion. mark white's lampedusa as white's in lampedusa for us as well. be a well. we're going to be having a long, hard look migrant long, hard look at the migrant crisis. there's a story crisis. there there's a story as well, 400 schools, well, about 400 schools, including nursery schools, signing to this thing called signing up to this thing called schools of sanctuary, where they basically get them to write letters and poetry to refugees and make kids ashamed of their country and compare illegal migrants to jesus. so i will be yeah, i'll be talking about that i >> -- >> so do you think this is brainwashing or just a nice brainwashing orjust a nice thing to do? indoctrination brainwashing and the politicisation children and politicisation of children and also the silencing of parents as well? >> because if you come out against it, you are a refugee hating bigot. comparing him to comparing hating bigot. comparing him to comparin exactly . >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah. is >> yeah. yeah. this is a catholic. one them is a catholic. one of them is a catholic. one of them is a catholic school well. catholic primary school as well. >> it is. yeah. we also >> oh yes it is. yeah. we also had coming out. yes. had the pope coming out. yes. what's about the migrant crisis? >> well, be interested to

>> well, i'll be interested to know are in know how many refugees are in the catholic. >> well, he's saying that the you know, not to call migrants. it's invasion. he's it's not an invasion. he's saying essentially refugees welcome, is what he welcome, which is what he usually says. yeah, it's a very good question. usually says. yeah, it's a very goo howestion.migrants are there? >> how many migrants are there? we call how many we should put a call in how many migrants the vatican? >> i'm not sure how many are in westminster cathedral, which is a big place. westminster cathedral, which is a yeah,] place. a good >> yeah, there is a very good charity nearby. charity for the homeless nearby. nothing to do with migrants. >> exactly >> no, exactly that. exactly that. be talking that. so yeah, we'll be talking about i'm also that. so yeah, we'll be talking about to i'm also that. so yeah, we'll be talking about to discussing, lso that. so yeah, we'll be talking about to discussing, of going to be discussing, of course, lucy course, the latest on on lucy letby. seeing letby. we may just be seeing exactly the specifics there exactly what the specifics there are and as well, the lib dem exactly what the specifics there are arconference,the lib dem exactly what the specifics there are arconference, hs2,b dem exactly what the specifics there are arconference, hs2, exciting exactly what the specifics there are (to onference, hs2, exciting exactly what the specifics there are (to onfererbiffedl2, exciting exactly what the specifics there are (to onfererbiffed potentially. yeah >> yeah. >> yeah. >> excited by the lib dem conference. >> oh, i am. i am fizzing with excitement about the lib dem tom harwood. >> is ecstatic harwood. >>is ecstatic be there? >> is it ecstatic to be there? by of things? by the looks of things? >> well, i mean, he >> well, exactly. i mean, he loves and sandals, doesn't he? >> so there's of them >> so there's a lot of them there. >> so there's a lot of them the and muesli. >> so there's a lot of them the i'm muesli. yes indeed. yep. yep. >> vegetarian food and no talk about love that dare not about the love that dare not speak its name. taking us back into union. well of into the european union. well of course. they want course. but what they want to silence the leader won't let them speak it. them speak about it. >> tells everything

>> but that tells you everything you right? if you you need to know, right? if you if a genuine view if you had a genuine view that you thought would be popular, you thought would be popular, you talking it. you thought would be popular, youyeah, talking it. you thought would be popular, youyeah, tilking it. you thought would be popular, youyeah, ti think it. you thought would be popular, youyeah, ti think they it. >> yeah, well, i think they should just, you know, make it say their policy say make it their policy to rejoin dems. >> $- dems. >> would put $— f would put a lot of >> and it would put a lot of pressure on labour because a lot of labour the same. >> exactly. it would labour >> exactly. it would make labour come and make their position come out and make their position more is going >> keir starmer is never going to no policy on policy. >> i was about say more ways >> i was about to say more ways than one there. >> yes. >> yes. >> right. going >> right. are we going to see what's happening >> right. are we going to see wh.yes,1appening >> right. are we going to see wh.yes, we )ening >> right. are we going to see wh.yes, we are. |g >> yes, we are. >>— >> yes, we are. >> it is. it is. the live desk next with daubney next with martin daubney and ellie costello. what's coming up then ? then? >> yes, this is very exciting, isn't live this is the first isn't it? live this is the first time myself and martin is an absolutely . martin. absolutely. martin. >> yeah. so the big question today counter—terrorism today is, as counter—terrorism coppers put down their arms in support of their colleagues, is that the right thing to do or are just upping the are they just upping the terrorists and putting the pubuc terrorists and putting the public increased risk ? oh, yeah. >> we'll be asking what does it mean what does it mean for us and what does it mean for us and what does it mean the safety on our mean for the safety on our streets? also going to be streets? we're also going to be talking white talking to mark white in lampedusa our lampedusa and jeff moody our southwest he's going

southwest reporter. he's going to be dealing with the portland issue people portland issue and how people in portland are feeling about the bibby stockholm . still no stockholm barge. still no migrants that barge down migrants on that barge down there. so we're bringing that topic we'll be topic back home and we'll be asking what it means for us. >> so it sounds like a fantastic show. stay tuned . and well, show. so stay tuned. and well, we've come to the end of our show, our first together. >> did find it? >> how did you find it? >> how did you find it? >> really loved it. and >> loved it really loved it. and i'm thrilled you're with i'm thrilled you're back with back. we're back together i'm thrilled you're back with back. we'rwednesdayther i'm thrilled you're back with back. we'rwednesday and thursday. >> what time? >> what time? >> 930. and we will be going to the liberal democrat conference, of course, tomorrow, but not for long. >> and ellie martin, they've long. >> an done e martin, they've long. >> an done the martin, they've long. >> an done the showrtin, they've long. >> an done the show together've never done the show together either never done the show together eitithere's lot of firsts here. >> there's a lot of firsts here. >> there's a lot of firsts here. >> a lot firsts. >> there's a lot of firsts. >> there's a lot of firsts. >> and nice to be in >> and it's very nice to be in the with patrick christys the studio with patrick christys and self. and your good self. >> it is indeed. >> it is indeed. >> really but yes, we'll >> it is indeed. >> back ally but yes, we'll >> it is indeed. >> back tomorrow. yes, we'll >> it is indeed. >> back tomorrow. it's., we'll >> it is indeed. >> back tomorrow. it's been l be back tomorrow. it's been fantastic. all your be back tomorrow. it's been fantastiback all your be back tomorrow. it's been fantastiback at all your be back tomorrow. it's been fantastiback at 930, all your be back tomorrow. it's been fantastiback at 930, andrew and emails back at 930, andrew and emily britain's newsroom tomorrow at 930. >> see you then .

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