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exploitation of the poor or an essential service. the labour party want to see much more regulation of the sector. do you agree with that .7 and lampedusa.7 agree with that? and lampedusa.7 do you agree with that? and lampedusa? do you even know where that is? it is an italian island with a population of about 6000. well they have seen that population pretty much double because double that number of people arrived in small boats in just a few days . what is going on? but few days. what is going on? but crucially , how on earth does it crucially, how on earth does it affect us all here in the uk? is mass population shift now the future or not? and inheritance tax? there is more talk about this again. yes, of course, about it being scrapped . should about it being scrapped. should it be? you tell me. we've got it all to come and more. but before
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we get into it, let's grab tonight's latest headlines . tonight's latest headlines. >> michelle, thank you. the top story tonight is that the metropolitan police has launched an investigation after receiving an investigation after receiving a number of sex offence allegations against russell brand. the force says the cases are not recent and no arrests have been made. it follows an investigation by channel four's dispatch programme and the times and sunday times. the comedian denies the accusations against him made by four women. as you've been hearing, the army, which was on standby to help the metropolitan police, has been stood down. it's after a significant number of counter—terrorism firearm officers stepped back from their dufies officers stepped back from their duties after a colleague was charged with murder over the shooting of chris kaba in south london last year. the force says enough officers have now returned to armed duties to meet its counter—terrorism responsibilities without
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military help. law and order foundation director norman brennan says the criminal justice system is broken . justice system is broken. >> i'm not talking about this case. let me tell you why. i think some police officers are charged. it's not because there's good evidence against them. it's often because there is a certain outcry in our community. and what the independent office of police corruption do and the crown prosecution service, they dare not for it. if it's not sufficient evidence. what they do is they allow it to a jury. and you know why they do that? and you know why they do that? and i say this with the most utmost respect and experience. 45 years of law and order is because they fear public disorder on the streets . disorder on the streets. >> london gatwick has introduced a temporary limit on flights to prevent delays in cancellations after an outbreak of coronavirus amongst air traffic control staff. there'll be a limit of 800 flights a day, which includes both departure and arrival flights . the arrival flights. the restrictions will remain in place until sunday, the 1st of
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october. that's after 30% of nats tower staff are currently unavailable, due to medical reasons, including covid and the greater manchester mayor has said today the north shouldn't have to pay for the government's mismanagement of hs2. rishi sunakis mismanagement of hs2. rishi sunak is refusing to guarantee that the manchester leg of the line will be completed with a decision expected to be announced before the tory party conference next week . but andy conference next week. but andy burnham says curtailing the project represents the opposite of levelling up. the prime minister , however, insists he's minister, however, insists he's committed to the long term tory pledge for this kind of speculation that people are making is not right. >> i mean we've got spades in the ground. we're getting on and delivering, but across the north what we're also doing is connecting up all the towns and cities the north—east to cities in the north—east to west. that's a really important part we will create jobs, part of how we will create jobs, drive growth the region, drive growth across the region, all of our plans to level all part of our plans to level up freeports are another good example that, whether that's example of that, whether that's in teesside or elsewhere. attracting investors and new
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attracting new investors and new businesses coming in all good examples of the government levelling up. >> the home secretary is calling for unity among western leaders to combat the global migration crisis . to combat the global migration crisis. she's to combat the global migration crisis . she's visiting the crisis. she's visiting the united states and suella braverman will tell an audience in washington that other countries may be able to learn from the uk's innovative attempts to tackle illegal migrants. she's questioning whether legal frameworks designed more than 50 years ago are still fit for purpose. the home secretary has expressed her personal desire to leave the european court of human rights, which she holds responsible for the failure of the rwanda scheme. one i million nhs appointments have had to be cancelled since december because of strikes in england and last week's industrial action by junior doctors and consultants meant the country has reached the milestone in figures set to be announced today . another be announced today. another double is scheduled for double strike is scheduled for next organisation's next week. the organisation's deputy chief executive, saffron cordery, labelled it cordery, has labelled it damaging demoralising ing
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damaging and demoralising ing the serial killer. lucy letby is facing a retrial on the attempted murder of a baby girl known only as child k. the former nurse was jailed for life former nurse was jailed for life for murdering seven babies and attempting to kill six others at attempting to kill six others at a hospital in chester. between 2015 and 2016, jurors were unable to reach a verdict on six further counts of attempted murder. a provisional date has been set for june murder. a provisional date has been set forjune next murder. a provisional date has been set for june next year. expert experts are warning the government won't meet its manifesto pledge to end homelessness by next year. the kerslake commission says there are chronic and unresolved issues in the housing system with a crisis pushing more people on the streets. the number of people sleeping rough last autumn was 25% higher than the same period three years ago. the government, though, says it is spending £2 billion to end rough sleeping for good. and finally , a space capsule finally, a space capsule carrying soil from the surface of an asteroid has been
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recovered by nasa . the sample recovered by nasa. the sample was collected by the eresus rex spacecraft before making the 1.2 billion mile journey to be parachuted through the earth's atmosphere and landing in the desert in utah. in the united states, scientists are hoping it will shed light on the formation of the solar system and the origin of life on earth itself. if you're with gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying, play gb news this is britain's news. channel >> thanks for that , polly. i'm >> thanks for that, polly. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, the pr consultant alex deane and the former adviser to jeremy corbyn, james schneider. good evening, gents. good evening. but nurses that hs2 story there in the headlines. we discuss this at length a few days ago on this programme. but i'm really interested about this northern thing. there's of
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thing. there's a lot of criticism aimed the tories criticism aimed at the tories saying they don't care about the northerners , do they? saying they don't care about the norwell,ers , do they? saying they don't care about the norwell, is , do they? saying they don't care about the norwell, i don't they? saying they don't care about the norwell, i don't think that can >> well, i don't think that can be true apart from anything else. you look at it else. if you just look at it from naked self—interest, it without north, the without the north, the conservative have conservative party doesn't have a majority in house a majority in the house of commons. my fear with hs2 is that more you salami slice that the more you salami slice it, you're trying to it, even if you're trying to realise that you you realise benefits that you you claim are had, the less claim are to be had, the less utility from what's left utility you get from what's left of it. james it was fundamentally badly conceived. >> have started it >> they should have started it from coming down. from the north, coming down. that's the transport that's where the transport connections less and connections are less good and maybe the maybe even started with the liverpool to hull line connecting north first connecting up the north first before it a faster to before making it a bit faster to go london birmingham go from london to birmingham where quick. where it's already quick. >> common sense at last. >> see common sense at last. there'll be a lot of northerners out agreeing with you. a out there agreeing with you. a lot of people, they don't speak sense on hs2, do they? a lot of people well. very confused people as well. very confused about hs2 is these about what hs2 even is these days it began life days because what it began life as versus where it is or perhaps isn't it's vastly isn't today. it's vastly different, it ? let me know different, isn't it? let me know your thoughts on hs2. are you a northerner? do you actually agree with the concept of
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scrapping it all? do you think that they do care about you? and that they do care about you? and that whole point that james made there was a good one. you are there was a good one. if you are so passionate the north, so passionate about the north, why on all the why not begin on all the construction, of it construction, all the rest of it from the north downwards? i don't know. you tell me. on this programme, not just about programme, it is not just about us through, you know the drill. it about you guys home. it is about you guys at home. what's your mind tonight? what's on your mind tonight? i've coming way. i've got a lot coming your way. i've got a lot coming your way. i talk to you about buy i want to talk to you about buy now, pay later. also inheritance tax. police officers armed tax. police officers being armed . you to be armed? . would you want to be armed? walking the streets of london or beyond ? and lots more coming beyond? and lots more coming your way. so get in touch all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com. can vaiews@gbnews.com. or you can tweet at news. paul you tweet me at gb news. paul you are one of my first emails tonight. a little ditty dewbs & tonight. a little ditty dewbs& co. what a show on the telly. just a head. no belly. she's on the ball. she knows it all. just watch her show and you will know i like it . i'm watch her show and you will know i like it. i'm very pleased you don't see my belly. i'd have to spend the whole time breathing in right. let's get in anyway. right. let's get stuck in one of the topics that have got you guys talking
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tonight police tonight is this armed police situation. as you might situation. because as you might have a number have heard today, that a number of armed officers, fact, at of armed officers, in fact, at one point, i think it was all but about five people that were on leave or something on annual leave or something were conversation as it was were the conversation as it was anyway. they basically anyway. they were basically handing tickets, their handing in their tickets, their guns, of a better word. guns, for want of a better word. and apparently and the armed forces apparently were going to be on standby anyway. it's all kind of calmed down a little bit now. it all stemmed from the charges that have been levied against one officer for the case of chris kaba. i can't really get into the specifics of that case for legal reasons. it's an ongoing case. but on the more broader question about our armed forces , armed officers, sorry, getting enough protection within the law. you are a barrister . where law. you are a barrister. where do you stand on it? >> your viewers won't like this. you do need some oversight over those who are equipped with weaponry deliver lethal weaponry that can deliver lethal outcomes on the streets of britain. now we are asking these people in high pressure environments to take split second decisions. so i'm very
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sympathetic to the people put in that situation and indeed the persecution of people in a rather different context. but out of sunday again and again and again, i think has been completely wrong. but you can't have no investigation and you can't have no accountability . can't have no accountability. we've had 33 fatal shootings in london since 1991, a year. and that's actually a very, very low rate for a city of this kind of size for prosecutions have resulted. and no convictions. that seems to me to be a system that's basically working. >> do you agree with that? >> do you agree with that? >> i think broadly, yes. i think alex is right that high levels of scrutiny are placed on people who have weapons and it's right that they do because the police are meant to be having this essentially the same powers as civilians, but they're outsourced because they're doing it all of the time. >> that's the principle that we're meant to have of policing by consent. if you have by consent. so if you have powers like the power to kill because you've have a gun because you've you have a gun that this extra that requires this extra scrutiny. and i can understand that. it's 100 out of
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that. i think it's100 out of the 3000 firearm officers responded to one of their colleagues being on trial for the murder of chris kaba last yeah the murder of chris kaba last year. and i can understand how 100 people would be would feel emotionally very strongly about that and would want to support their colleague. that doesn't mean that wrong that that mean that it's wrong that that that police officer is that that that police officer is prosecuted. and, of course, we don't know any of the actual details in the case. so we can't say. but it doesn't mean in any way that it's because they've taken that decision that they're that they feel they've responded strongly it doesn't strongly to, that it doesn't mean doing so was wrong. mean that doing so was wrong. and there are still plenty of armed , you know, armed, met armed, you know, armed, met officers who are there. one thing where i would slightly quibble with with alex, it's basically all working . maybe basically all working. maybe it's working, but i think from things that we've seen over the last few years about how things are operating within the met, within the culture of the met and policing, i think there's probably scope for a review of
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how this operates as well. so i wouldn't say everything is working fine, but you know, broadly, yeah, i agree. >> you forgive me. certainly >> you forgive me. i certainly don't think is don't think everything is working will working fine. some people will expect on the right expect somebody on the right like automatically be like me to automatically be on the of the police, but the side of the police, but that's the case. that's not the case. the investigation daniel investigation into daniel morgan, who morgan, the journalist who was murdered, head in murdered, axe in his head in a car park. in fact, the last investigation of five into the met's conduct found that the met investigation of five into the met�*institutionallyid that the met investigation of five into the met�*institutionally corruptthe met investigation of five into the met�*institutionally corrupt .ie met was institutionally corrupt. well, i wouldn't maintain everything fine , given that everything was fine, given that and the prosecutions that and of the prosecutions that have brought against have been brought against officers shooting dead members have been brought against of1thes shooting dead members have been brought against of1the public ing dead members have been brought against of1the public on dead members have been brought against of1the public on the|d members have been brought against of1the public on the streets bers have been brought against of1the public on the streets of �*s of the public on the streets of london. one was, of course, into the case of jean charles de menezes. now, i may well not think the officer directly responsible for that death was criminally culpable to the point of being convicted of murder. criminally culpable to the point of bgiven onvicted of murder. criminally culpable to the point of bgiven that :ted of murder. criminally culpable to the point of bgiven that the of murder. criminally culpable to the point of bgiven that the police �*der. criminally culpable to the point of bgiven that the police misled but given that the police misled the about what he meant, the public about what he meant, jimenez the jimenez jimenez had done on the way in, i'm not claiming everything was right that. everything was right about that. >> not familiar. that is >> you're not familiar. that is the one. i think it was a stockwell tube. and i think was he a brazilian? brazilian? >> was a case of mistaken >> and it was a case of mistaken identity. that
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identity. and they said that he'd jumped the barriers, but he didn't. no, no, no. and he didn't. no, no, no. he and he didn't. no, no, no. he and he didn't. he had. untrue didn't. he had he had. untrue and you do see that quite often in high profile incidents where there's some kind of confrontation of some sort between the public and the police, big asymmetry police, there's a big asymmetry in because if the in information because if the police out some press police put out some press information, therefore, that will exactly. information, therefore, that wiliand exactly. information, therefore, that wiliand later xactly. information, therefore, that wiliand later ,actly. information, therefore, that wiliand later , people still >> and years later, people still think jumped the barriers think he jumped the barriers when he did no thing . when he did no such thing. >> when you said you're opening line, you said the viewers of this were like, what i this programme were like, what i have would you have to say. why would you assume that? >> because i think that people expect rally in situations expect us to rally in situations like this to side of those like this to the side of those who understandably, who are understandably, understandably, us to understandably, they want us to rally of those rally the side of those entrusted with this grave duty. but my is , you can't just but my point is, you can't just give people blanche to be give people carte blanche to be police with weapons like this on on the streets of london. and indeed, let's view it in another context. this man has been convicted of nothing. let's agree with that. yeah. a teacher accused of misconduct or a doctor accused of misconduct. if all their nurses and nurses and colleagues, if their teachers and colleagues came out on
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strike sympathy, might strike in sympathy, we might think, on, what about think, well, hang on, what about the ? what the the patients? what about the students? think there are two students? i think there are two sides to this. and rather than everyone withdrawing their labour and getting my full throated support, we should labour and getting my full throated itrpport, we should labour and getting my full throated it logically. should labour and getting my full throated it logically. shou|the examine it logically. well, the inbox, to see inbox, that's why i look to see whether system is working whether the system is working or not. >> is actually pretty >> the inbox is actually pretty divided. so andy it was divided. so andy says, if it was your or father or son your brother or father or son that was shot in error by an armed officer, surely armed police officer, surely anyone would want it fully investigated someone investigated and then someone criminally indeed criminally charged. if indeed they were to be negligent. they were found to be negligent. pat said the police are not above and they need to above the law and they need to remember very important remember that very important fact, says. or she says, fact, he says. or she says, there is much corruption, it there is so much corruption, it is essential that there is justice john says justice for all. john says michelle. be michelle. the police can be trained and a day trained and forever and a day basically . facing real basically. but facing the real thing is a complete different matter. human nature and self—preservation over all self—preservation takes over all the training in the land. he says he saved 28 years. military experience, and he speaks with experience, and he speaks with experience . graham says police experience. graham says police have to make these split second decisions. should not have to worry about facing prosecution if something goes wrong , michael
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if something goes wrong, michael says. michelle, you ask, would we like to see more armed police 7 we like to see more armed police ? quite frankly, i would like to see any police man on the street, never mind an armed one. do you think all police officers should be armed? perhaps say , should be armed? perhaps say, for example, not with a gun, but maybe taser? maybe with a taser? >> no, i don't think so. i think we want to have police ing to be as close to the community as possible, as much of policing, to be as close to the community as possible. would you go into certain like rough communities and of it if you and all the rest of it if you weren't armed to protect yourself as a police officer? yeah, it depends on the yeah, i mean, it depends on the circumstances. but circumstances. but yes, but i mean, should turn this mean, also we should turn this around, right? we need to have policing by consent . you store policing by consent. you store up big problems. if you up very big problems. if you don't have policing by consent . don't have policing by consent. so that's why i think there needs be much more community needs to be much more community level oversight level engagement and oversight over is done, over to how policing is done, because if policing done like because if policing is done like an occupying force where you have to be armed, where there's no necessarily a confrontation just by your presence, then the
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system is really not working. >> i agree with a good deal of that. least because that. not least because we've stopped policing proactively that. not least because we've stoppe> i don't think there were i'm incorrect correct i'm incorrect correct me if i'm wrong, not sure the
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wrong, but i'm not sure the plan was to have the randomly was just to have the randomly patrolling wasn't it that they were in the of like were there in the case of like an emergency scenario where they the point the very drafted in very point about that has produced about the case that has produced the that not the situation is that not everything goes to plan in these situations. well i'm little situations. well i'm a little bit say it's bit harsh i always say it's a good for job everyone. bit harsh i always say it's a good forjob everyone. quite good for job everyone. quite frankly, i'm charge of frankly, i'm not in charge of this country. but i would argue actually some cases, if actually that in some cases, if people army soldiers people did see army soldiers patrolling the streets, they might some might think twice about some of the get up to the antics that they get up to anyway, i will leave you guys to have final word on the final have the final word on the final thoughts topic. i'll thoughts on that topic. i'll bnng thoughts on that topic. i'll bring your responses in bring some of your responses in after the break as well. but i want to ask you about buy now, pay you're familiar pay later. you're all familiar with concept. apparently with this concept. apparently about have actually about 1 in 8 of us have actually used these services. but do you support them? are they exploitation poor or are exploitation of the poor or are they essential they just basically an essential service? to regulate service? do we need to regulate it more? you tell me
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radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven alongside me, pr consultant alex dean and the former advisor to jeremy corbyn, james schneider . jeremy corbyn, james schneider. now, chris, when we were talking about armed police officers, your email came in. we were talking about hs2 at the start of the programme, asking why, if you care so much about the north, why don't you start the whole the north whole project in the north rather than starting it down south? did make me south? chris you did make me chuckle you say why chuckle because you say why didn't they start hs2 in the north? michelle because north? michelle simple, because who to get to who on earth wants to get to hull faster? for me, quite frankly, in anyway, i think what we're about whole we're talking about is the whole kind to west piece kind of east to west piece rather north to south. rather than north to south. patricia michelle, what's rather than north to south. patricion? michelle, what's rather than north to south. patricion? howichelle, what's rather than north to south. patricion? how does e, what's rather than north to south. patricion? how does e, w pronounce going on? how does one pronounce the h? is it h or is it the letter h? is it h or is it h? please please advise by patricia . i shall let you into a patricia. i shall let you into a little secret when you're from hull, we drop the letter . well, hull, we drop the letter. well, you would say h and then because we tried to make ourselves sound a little bit more, i don't know. we call it a telephone voice. so instead of saying i'm from ul, which is how we would say it, we say i'm from hull, which then
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leads to that over pronunciation of the letter h. so it of the letter h. so then it becomes h. are any clearer? becomes h. are you any clearer? no no. shall i move on? also amanda says. can i say james is a breath of fresh air. we need more like him to represent the left side of the debate. he's so balanced and reasoned in his arguments, and comes armed arguments, and he comes armed with facts . have you been paying with facts. have you been paying our viewers to get in touch with. well, i couldn't possibly comment. well, there you go. keep your thoughts coming in. but to talk to you now. a but i want to talk to you now. a very serious issue, actually, lee. you know, buy pay lee. you know, buy now, pay later nearly later because apparently nearly 3 households earn . oh, 3 million households earn. oh, sorry, £2.7 billion adds when it comes to these deals, the labour party and our basically coming out talking tough, saying that we need to regulate this industry a lot more when it comes to things like credit checks and all the rest of it. well, regulating this industry has been going on for a long time and there's been a lot of consultations as well. time and there's been a lot of cons nothing; as well. time and there's been a lot of consnothing really as well. time and there's been a lot of cons nothing really hasis well. time and there's been a lot of consnothing really has happened. and nothing really has happened. do you agree? now that it is
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time to get hold of these time to get a hold of these things? do things like your credit checks and all the rest of it? >> $- @ think it is. @ think it is . we do >> yes, i think it is. we do have a problem with problem lenders, think we can look lenders, and i think we can look at it that way round when we're talking about regulation . there talking about regulation. there are lot of people that are in are a lot of people that are in too much debt for how much money that they've come they've got coming in. and so i think things like like capping the maximum amount that you can pay back. so you can never pay back more than the principal that you pay by capping the interest rates that you can that that you are legally allowed to take people for monthly to deal with the payday for monthly to deal with the payday lending thing. it would be set of reforms and be important set of reforms and should be that's the sort of regulation we need. now that doesn't mean stopping anybody from having a buy now, pay later for loads of people, that's absolutely fine. but for those who it isn't and would be adding to their debt pressures down the line some regulation to stop problem lending would be a good
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thing. >> you can't you can't mean a rule that says you can't pay back more than the principal because that would mean no interest at all. >> sorry. no, the interest is not being, say, double the principal. so some some some not being, say, double the p|of:ipal. so some some some not being, say, double the p|of the .. so some some some not being, say, double the p|of the principal.�* some some not being, say, double the p|of the principal. yeah.�* some not being, say, double the p|of the principal. yeah. yeah,�*ne x of the principal. yeah. yeah, yeah. why do you stand in terms of checking? of credit checking? >> the businesses are >> well, the businesses are entitled to run credit checks to make sure they're going to make sure they're not going to lose on things. but lose money on things. but i don't think the government should pass law that requires should pass a law that requires burdensome checks burdensome credit checks to be run when , as james run in all cases when, as james rightly says, the majority of people these services do people using these services do it they want to and they it because they want to and they enjoy let's let's put names enjoy it, let's let's put names to know we're to it so people know what we're talking things like talking about. it's things like klarna later with the klarna or pay later with the number these number eight in it. these services millions of services are used by millions of people. gocardless people watching this show. indeed paypal buy now. pay later paypal is a buy now. pay later provider the i mean these provider in the uk. i mean these are of people it are millions of people use it and you to your point i didn't quite the figures that quite take in the figures that you giving, but for you were giving, but for millions users, whatever it millions of users, whatever it was, billion, i think it's was, 2.7 billion, i think it's about 1 in 8 adult, right? so 2.7 billion spread across the whole country or 1 8 of us is whole country or1 in 8 of us is
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not very much money. and the point vast majority of point is that vast majority of that will get cleared off month to month. the reason the businesses carry on is that people out and take people then go out and take another one and they do that because they want to. >> let me ask you this, right? because. i that a because. yes, i know that a small these people small percentage of these people that like here, it says, you know, looking at some know, we're looking at some figures among the figures here. it says among the 19% had used 19% who said that they had used these services to pay for essentials, the items covered include toiletries, include groceries, toiletries, bills so bills and fuel, whatever. so that's less than 20% of the that's like less than 20% of the people, means that 80% people, which means that 80% there are there or thereabouts, these are not poverty , not people that are poverty, poverty stricken people that are trying to buy i don't know , trying to buy i don't know, sausage and for tea or sausage and mash for tea or whatever. it's people that are splurging some cases on splurging in some cases on things they perhaps don't things that they perhaps don't need. the things that need. and one of the things that i worry about is, you i perhaps worry about is, you talk about things like klarna and stuff like a of and stuff like that. a lot of these services are now embedded at online. like at checkouts online. so like when you shopping, the sales when you go shopping, the sales are on. i love that dress, this dress, the basket it dress, whatever in the basket it goes. then it's almost just goes. and then it's almost just like a it's like i'll whip my card out. actually, i were
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card out. actually, no, i were i'll stick it on there and it's now just in people's psyche and it used be that you it used to be james, that you bought once you'd bought something once you'd saved you could saved up and you could afford it. now the opposite it. and now it's the opposite way around. it's like, i don't need save up. i can just get need to save up. i can just get it now and get all the gratification now and then worry about the cost afterwards. i don't that's very don't think that's a very healthy attitude. food. >> depends. and we >> well, it depends. and we should that some should be clear that some change. this isn't going deal change. this isn't going to deal with there's with the fact that there's a squeeze in people's living standards people standards and too many people don't standards and too many people dont enough standards and too many people don't enough to get by. and don't have enough to get by. and tweaking around edges tweaking this around the edges isn't make a difference isn't going to make a difference . i but for some, for . and i think but for some, for plenty of people, the ability to buy now and pay later so you don't have to save up for something is one of one of the benefits of having a well—working financial system . well—working financial system. but but for some people all they can you know, fall into really bad problems with it, which is why i think some kinds of reforms like make maximum interest rates, like you can only have to pay back a certain times the amount that you
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borrowed. so, you know, if you borrowed. so, you know, if you borrow £100 to get through the week and you end up paying £1,000, clearly that's exploitative and that's bad and that shouldn't exist . but if you that shouldn't exist. but if you want to buy, i don't know your ipad there and you want to pay it over 24 months of instalments rather than all in one go, i mean, that's absolutely fine. so i any we should bring in i think any we should bring in this is a real issue. so policies should be brought in for it, but they should target what problem which what the real problem is, which is be exploited is some people can be exploited and efforts should be put in place to prevent that. >> no offence, michelle. not >> no offence, michelle. i'm not so worried about buy now, pay later. more worried about later. i'm more worried about you because when say people you because when you say people shouldn't this financial shouldn't do this financial people me that before people have told me that before they do this they shouldn't do this financially, shouldn't financially, they shouldn't do that your entitled that financially. your entitled to your moral position and indeed think indeed you're entitled to think that's but you that's good advice. but you you're shouldn't in you're not. you shouldn't be in the business telling other the business of telling other people what they can and can't do. and that is far do. and that tendency is far more me. i think more worrying to me. i think people buy now, pay later people get buy now, pay later from would from auntie michelle would do people of good. thank people a lot of good. thank goodness you're not government
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michelle yeah michelle will be the point yeah so i'm agree to me we agree so i'm agree so to me we agree i look my audience square in the eye and i always say you are very lucky i'm not in charge of the country. >> you are, man. but no, actually, i think a lot more people in society . we do need to people in society. we do need to be told you shouldn't buy that because you haven't got the funds to buy it. if you choose to listen to me, then that's up to listen to me, then that's up to you. and if you choose to go, well, still fair, i'm going to get what i want. that's also up to you. >> but the point is, people are entitled to go into debt knowingly and choice. knowingly and by choice. and indeed, we indeed, in this country, we encourage millions of people to do with the most important do it with the most important investment ever make, which investment they ever make, which is so you is their house. so once you accept principle accept that, that's a principle that people can do, why can't they it for a dress or for they do it for a dress or for whatever it is? so, you know, once down this once you start going down this road telling people they road of telling people what they can do very quickly, can and can't do very quickly, the state will tell us the nanny state will tell us what you can and can't drink, what you can and can't drink, what can and can't smoke, what you can and can't smoke, what you can and can't smoke, what you can and can't smoke, what you should be doing with your and that's your leisure time and that's so you're entitled your friendly you're entitled to your friendly
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advice, long it advice, michelle, as long as it stops there. >> that's a big stretch >> i think that's a big stretch saying giving people you know, kind financial advice. kind of financial advice. because things i because one of the things i think schools, think think at schools, i don't think they financial literacy. they teach financial literacy. oh, with that. i don't oh, i agree with that. i don't think that a lot of kids you say to people, you want to buy think that a lot of kids you say to petena, you want to buy think that a lot of kids you say to peten dresses, want to buy think that a lot of kids you say to peten dresses, buyt to buy think that a lot of kids you say to peten dresses, buy it. buy think that a lot of kids you say to peten dresses, buy it. don't your ten dresses, buy it. don't listen to michelle. but i would actually that a lot actually say that a lot of people understand actually say that a lot of people things understand actually say that a lot of people things compound d simple things like compound interest and things. they don't really know what they're getting into. >> buy knowing that you're >> buy it knowing that you're going more for in the end going to pay more for in the end than have if than you would have done if you'd up but you you'd paid up front. but you know the majority of know what? the majority of people in this country who are either house or to either house owners or aspire to be go situation be willingly go into a situation where they pay tens of thousands of pounds more for the house that they get because need of pounds more for the house timortgageet because need of pounds more for the house timortgageet becaand, need of pounds more for the house timortgageet becaand, you need a mortgage for it. and, you know, that's the predicate in know, if that's the predicate in which our system is built, it feels in the end feels rather hollow in the end to get overly excited about buy now, later. yeah, you now, pay later. yeah, but you know, you think to know, what do you guys think to this home? this at home? >> it's one thing stretching yourself and getting into debt for home to live in, for a home to live in, stretching yourself and getting into debt so that you can look like the latest daft kardashian
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or whatever is again, free or whatever it is again, free society. do what you karen society. do what you want. karen says. never buy pay says. never mind, buy now, pay later say, why aren't you later you say, why aren't you looking rates that the looking at the rates that the banks on of banks are charging on some of their credit facilities, credit cards rest it? cards and all the rest of it? jim says the problem with doing credit checks that credit checks is that if you pass you need the buy pass it, you won't need the buy now, pay later deal. it's only the people that can't afford those kind of things. and that wouldn't that wouldn't pass the checks that actually the money the actually need the money in the first alex says that first place. alex says that these companies are parasites and allowed and they shouldn't be allowed to operate it's of the operate. it's the job of the government , alex says, to government, alex says, to protect its citizens from such exploitation . yes, alex, agree exploitation. yes, alex, agree with that. >> is your mother and your father? there was one point there that i thought was was interesting, though. so let's make a comparison. i don't object. i support policy of object. i support the policy of tuition fees. i don't think the people who go to people who don't go to university have to university should have to subsidise heavily. subsidise quite so heavily. those i don't object those who do. and i don't object to student loans. what i objected to the loan objected to in the student loan environment they environment was the rate they whacked i thought whacked on the book. i thought that was i object that was unfair. i don't object to entering into buy now,
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to people entering into buy now, pay to people entering into buy now, pay later. what i object to is some of interests that are some of the interests that are imposed lack of imposed and people's lack of understanding about what they're signing understanding about what they're sig|well, there you go. good >> well, there you go. good advice there from alex. let's take look, shall we, at the weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. >> today's showers ease overnight clear spells to come, but further rain arrives during tuesday. some of that once again will be heavy with a strong breeze, but nothing compared to agnes storm. agnes named by the met office because of the risk of widespread disruption into wednesday as that arrives before that, it will be a breezy night, but nothing out of the ordinary. some clear spells and the lightest winds will be towards the east and south of england. that's where we'll see some mist patches by dawn, patchy patches form by dawn, but patchy cloud elsewhere and that breeze will keep temperatures in the double figures in many spots. first thing we've got some
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showers moving into central southern england . they push into southern england. they push into the midlands, east anglia and the midlands, east anglia and the south—east by mid—morning . the south—east by mid—morning. perhaps the odd rumble of thunder associated with these. we've spell of more we've got a spell of more persistent through persistent rain moving through northern into much of northern ireland into much of scotland south of that scotland to the south of that showers wales in the showers into wales in the southwest . but in between the southwest. but in between the showers, sunshine the showers, some sunshine and the sun once again the sun comes out once again in the south—east with temperatures here of 23 celsius. average temperatures the temperatures towards the north—west where it will stay windy with risk of gales in windy with the risk of gales in the far north. those ease the far north. those winds ease by start of wednesday with by the start of wednesday with some early morning sunshine for many. but storm agnes is winding itself up in the atlantic and that's going to bring a spell of wet and windy weather during wednesday afternoon evening wednesday afternoon and evening . risk widespread gales, . risk of widespread gales, especially irish sea especially around irish sea coasts where there's the chance of significant disruption on wednesday and evening i >> -- >> that 5mm >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> there you go. hope it's nice
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weather where you are. i can't decide what to wear these days. you know what? autumn clothes. i'm back in summer clothes. what is going on? nina says. can someone tell michelle she should not be telling people what they can and can't do. it's just arrogance. and it's not her business. what people do with their money. will they go? that told , you know you pay told me, you know what, you pay some for financial some people for financial advice. i'm giving it to you for free anyway. you do with your money what you want. there's a lot your way. don't lot coming your way. don't go anywhere . i want talk to you anywhere. i want to talk to you about you know about lampedusa. do you know what is an island what that is? it is an island off . and i can tell you off italy. and i can tell you what is going on there is absolutely eye—watering i also want to talk to you about inherited tax. are you
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>> gb news radio. >> gb news radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. consultant alex deane and the former adviser to jeremy corbyn, james schneider is alongside you. i've upset you
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all tonight. everyone's agreeing with you, saying that she with you, don, saying that she uses paypal and things quite a few times to replace household items, etcetera. what has it got to do with you, michel ? what to do with you, michel? what i do with my money. you know what? i'm never going to mention it ever again. do what you want with your cash. go do what you want. >> i don't care. >> i don't care. >> i don't care. >> i don't know. buy me a new dress. if you're into all your shopping, buy, buy more. whatever classes i was brought up that if you can't afford something, you don't have it. and why still like and that's why i still like cash. i believe that more cash. and i believe that more people cash. darren people should use cash. darren says pay later is says buy now, pay later is great, the pay the great, but the key is pay the balance off when it is due. and if not, you can get yourself into trouble. don't start telling financial telling people financial advice, darren. anyway. darren. they'll have you anyway. let's about lampedusa, let's talk about lampedusa, shall it is, in case you're shall we? it is, in case you're not familiar with it. and who would the way, perhaps would be, by the way, perhaps until recently, it's small until recently, it's a small island the of sicily. island off the coast of sicily. i think actually , i've got i think actually, i've got a little map that can bring up little map that i can bring up on the screen and just show you just to give you little bit just to give you a little bit more context. there you go.
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everybody, anywhere. 11,000 migrants have landed on their shores past week alone. shores in the past week alone. mark white is actually there and joins me live now. good evening to you , mark white. bring us up to you, mark white. bring us up to you, mark white. bring us up to speed briefly on what's been going on in the last kind of few days or so over there . well this days or so over there. well this island with a population of 6000 permanent residents has found itself overwhelmed by that surge in migrant numbers who arriving here in recent weeks , it has here in recent weeks, it has been as you said, 11,000 just in the past ten days, but actually 62,000 have arrived here ever since the 1st of june and across these other islands. >> and on the italian mainland. those those who've crossed from the mediterranean totals so far, 130,000. italy says that by the end of the year, they expect the number of migrants to have
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crossed the mediterranean into italy to be 200,000. so they are deaung italy to be 200,000. so they are dealing with a very significant issue , but they are also in issue, but they are also in dispute with a number of european countries in terms of burden sharing and whether france and germany will actually reverse its current policy of not taking those arriving in the likes of lampedusa . likes of lampedusa. >> yeah, i was literally just about to ask you about the eu response because there is a bit of criticism here about whether or not these people should be widely distributed, if you like. not just the eu, beyond . not just within the eu, beyond. and how do you think that will actually end ? actually end? >> well , all actually end? >> well, all it is the european union's goal to have a proper burden sharing process in place so that each of the countries take a share of those who are arriving into the european union, but it's just not working out as planned. there are
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certain countries that just don't want to take a certain share of migrant and others who believe they'll actually , believe they'll actually, because of their geographical position , the likes of italy, position, the likes of italy, greece and spain , in that they greece and spain, in that they have many migrants who land on their shores and they want other countries in europe to burden, share better . countries in europe to burden, share better. it's countries in europe to burden, share better . it's all countries in europe to burden, share better. it's all a bit of a headache for the european union and it's also testing the likes of the schengen agreement, which of course allows free travel across european union borders. but in some countries it's far from free at the moment. you've got france now putting on border checks between italy and france to stop, to stop those migrants who are getting into italy proper. then from crossing into france, you've got austria putting up border checks as well. germany to. so it is a significant issue going forward. what the european
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union does really to try to ensure that both shannon and the burden sharing agreement works properly , because at the moment properly, because at the moment it certainly isn't . it certainly isn't. >> and just very brief, it certainly isn't. >> and just very brief , final >> and just very brief, final question to you. you're there , question to you. you're there, you're on the ground. what are the locals make to all this . the locals make to all this. >> well, i mean , there are some >> well, i mean, there are some that, you know, have sympathy for those that are crossing from often wretched conditions in their own countries. but many people here, i think, are very concerned at the huge surge on such a small island and their ability to cope with that . and, ability to cope with that. and, you know, viewers in the uk might be watching and really seeing why is this something we should care about? but actually, it is because history tells us that those that arrive in europe on europe's southern borders or eastern borders or whichever route they take into europe, often then find themselves
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heading to the north—west shores of france with a view to trying to get across the english to channel the uk. so it affects all of europe and it certainly affects the uk as well. interest getting stuff. >> that's mark white there live from lampedusa. i mean , i hear from lampedusa. i mean, i hear all that and all these travels that people are going on, i can't understand how on earth they financing all of this, all of these different stops because they're not staying in one they're not staying put in one place. they're a lot of place. they're paying a lot of people, i suspect, to take them a lot of different places. but anyway, you of it all? >> well, this has been an issue for the italians for more than a decade. and as your map helpfully reminded us, the little south of little dot that was south of sicily map is malta. so sicily on your map is malta. so lampard well, them lampard user is well, bring them up, up while we're talking up, back up while we're talking about well to the south—west of malta, you know, it's very close to tunisian, much closer to to the tunisian, much closer to the than the rest the tunisian coast than the rest of but nevertheless, of italy. but nevertheless, it's part italy once you're part of italy and once you're there, you are in italy. and the big italians, there, you are in italy. and the big know, italians, there, you are in italy. and the big know, 10,000 italians, there, you are in italy. and the big know, 10,000 initalians, there, you are in italy. and the big know, 10,000 in 10 ians, there, you are in italy. and the big know, 10,000 in 10 days, you know, 10,000 in 10 days, popular nation of lampedusa is
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something like 6000 6500. right. so you're talking culture so you're talking about culture changing huge numbers of people in people in one go. the people who've been disappointed the been most disappointed at the current time, apart from those who lampedusa itself, who live on lampedusa itself, will be those voted for will be those who voted for george because she george and maloney because she said was going to said that she was going to change all of this when she came into office. quite plainly, into office. and quite plainly, she hasn't. >> she's talking. >> and she's also talking. so if she i quote that, >> and she's also talking. so if she going i quote that, >> and she's also talking. so if she going on quote that, >> and she's also talking. so if she going on there that, >> and she's also talking. so if she going on there isat, >> and she's also talking. so if she going on there is an act what's going on there is an act of war. and she also calls it an invasion. it's language like that. helpful? >> no, not at all. and you know, saying a war, an saying that this is a war, an invasion, of that doesn't do invasion, all of that doesn't do anything to deal with the fact that that are that there are people that are fleeing the conditions in which they living and the answer they are living and the answer is, as mark white was just just saying, more cooperation between the eu states in order to take a process which is currently out of control and unmanaged and dangerous for many of the people taking part in it to one which has is has more coordination and more management and more control. and therefore it can be more more humane.
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>> what does the coordination take you to in the end if it just means that lots of european countries, some of whom have already they're willing already said they're not willing to hungary or poland, already said they're not willing to know, hungary or poland, already said they're not willing to know, does gary or poland, already said they're not willing to know, does this or poland, already said they're not willing to know, does this mean.and, already said they're not willing to know, does this mean taking you know, does this mean taking more migrants moving more migrants and moving them around? the that around? because in the end, that encourages come encourages more people to come via dangerous routes via the deeply dangerous routes that michelle's been talking about? >> well, it depends how you how you it. and i also think that you do it. and i also think that the policies should be put in place places that are place to make places that are currently people are forced to flee have to not have flee from not have to not have to flee from. so, you know, we shouldn't go around invading bombing libya, for example, like we did ten years ago because bombing libya, for example, like we dichardlyzars ago because bombing libya, for example, like we dichardly helped. because bombing libya, for example, like we dichardly helped. andiuse bombing libya, for example, like we dichardly helped. and yes, that's hardly helped. and yes, there do to be safe routes there do need to be safe routes from big transit hubs in tunisia and libya and so on, and to bnng and libya and so on, and to bring some management of the of the system under under control. now for the eu , that's going to now for the eu, that's going to be extremely difficult because as we're seeing the rise of these tough . talking know doing these tough. talking know doing leaders like giorgia meloni, who will scapegoat, but they they can't do anything wrong.
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>> yeah. i mean, i've got to say as well, you tell me what you think language because think to that language because there will be some people watching that that just see the kind of boats there. kind of hordes of boats there. you 11,000 in you hear numbers like 11,000 in a they're starting. a week when they're starting. population was only six. they got pretty much double that coming over top of those coming over on top of those numbers the space week. numbers in the space of a week. some people watching will some people watching that will say do that say actually they do think that language is accurate and they would praise those people for using language but again, would praise those people for usdivides language but again, would praise those people for usdivides opinionsie but again, would praise those people for usdivides opinions wheret again, would praise those people for usdivides opinions where are ain, it divides opinions where are you on that? and inheritance tax after the break. should we scrap it ? you tell me .
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hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co. lots of you guys are getting in touch about the situation in lampedusa , john, situation in lampedusa, john, saying that these countries have to draw a line somewhere as to how many people you can ask . how many people you can ask. wept for many countries, though he says at that point as long
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been passed. well, that's what we're talking about. there's quite a row brewing at the moment as to where these people go and who should take how many. one of my viewers say lots of those will en route to those people will be en route to the and will here by the uk and will be here by christmas . keep your thoughts christmas. keep your thoughts coming in. but i want talk to coming in. but i want to talk to you inheritance tax. now, you about inheritance tax. now, this is an issue, isn't it, which a lot of which does divide a lot of people. i wonder where do people. and i wonder where do you it home, because you sit on it at home, because we around these houses we do go around these houses quite a lot of time and we seem to do a lot of talking about inheritance tax. but actually, i think only about 4% there think it's only about 4% there or thereabouts , give of or thereabouts, give or take, of the estates that will actually pay the estates that will actually pay it. lot of money, 40. pay it. it's a lot of money, 40. where do you stand on it? >> so it definitely shouldn't be scrapped . but i would reform it scrapped. but i would reform it because i think it clearly has a communication problem. there's something like 31% people something like 31% of people think they're to be think that they're going to be impacted it, but yet it only impacted by it, but yet it only affects for less than 4% of estates. so the change that i would make is exempt . the family would make is exempt. the family home up to a certain value just
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levy the value. sorry, what value? i'm not sure we can debate that, but up to a certain a high value up to a high, you know, 2 million or something, a big, you know, a high value and well, hold on, wait. and then tax the recipient in the same way they'd be taxed their income tax. so you're not taxing the estate, you're taxing the recipient of the of the gift from from the estate . and you from from the estate. and you know, that should be that should be a reform which doesn't reduce the amount of money that's taken in. so i think it's a bit laughable that rishi sunak can do a tax cut that might save his family. something like £300 million seems is really not the right priority. if you wanted to do a tax cut that would benefit most people, you should look at cutting the basic rate of income tax or vat or something like that, which which would help the overwhelming majority of people , not something which, as you said, you know, fewer said, impacts, you know, fewer than 4. >> in favour of all of the >> i'm in favour of all of the tax cuts that james just
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mentioned, and i'd like some more as well. i think that inheritance is wrong in inheritance tax is wrong in principle. a tax on thrift. principle. it's a tax on thrift. it's it's a tax on saving. it's a it's a tax on saving. it's a it's a tax on saving. it's a it's a tax on saving. it's a tax on attempting to provide children's provide for your children's future. a tax on income future. and it's a tax on income that which you've already paid tax if you've bought tax. and if you've bought something like house, paid something like a house, you paid tax income, then you pay tax on your income, then you pay tax on your income, then you pay tax in stamp duty. when you buy the house, and then it's taxed a third time when you have the rudeness, the rudeness of dying. it's a tax on death. and finally, it's a it's a tax. when you try pass something on you try and pass something on rather splurge and spend it rather than splurge and spend it on yourself, it's a tax on your love of children. and your love of your children. and your desire their desire to provide for their future. i don't care if it appues future. i don't care if it applies to one person, let alone 4% of population. it's wrong applies to one person, let alone 4%principle.)pulation. it's wrong applies to one person, let alone 4va inciple. )pulation. it's wrong applies to one person, let alone 4va had, .e.)pulation. it's wrong applies to one person, let alone 4va had, i'm»ulation. it's wrong applies to one person, let alone 4va had, i'm sure on. it's wrong applies to one person, let alone 4va had, i'm sure for it's wrong applies to one person, let alone 4va had, i'm sure for i:'s wrong applies to one person, let alone 4va had, i'm sure for i thinking >> i had, i'm sure for i think it was a tory, but i might have got that wrong. i heard it in passing in an interview this morning. she was saying it was a bafic morning. she was saying it was a basic instinct want basic human instinct to want to pass on your property. is it? do you know who it was that said that? >> i don't know. but that's true i >> -- >> so. >> so. >> so. >> so let's separate out.
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separate out very different types of things. so most people sitting home thinking in the sitting at home thinking in the emotive language that alex was alex is rightly used very, very effectively . they're thinking, effectively. they're thinking, oh, i've worked hard, i've saved, i've got a normal house, i've got a little bit of money here. and they actually fall underneath the threshold. what we're talking about here is a tax that should be applied to, for example , duke for example, the duke of wellington. he inherits wellington. when he inherits billions and billions. you know, that's the thrift of his that's not the thrift of his forefathers who have been encouraged with savings. and they've worked hard and it's their family home and blah, blah, blah. and you can obviously design a tax which deals with the massive amounts of unnecessarily inherited large wealth that doesn't in any way impact the overwhelming majority of people. so i don't want to see inheritance tax scrapped . i see inheritance tax scrapped. i would reform it in the way that i suggested. so it's less about taxing estates when people die and more about taxing large gifts that people that people
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receive. >> yeah, i mean, just to give you some context here, i mean, the average house price in this country is apparently £288,000. >> and the threshold for inheritance tax is eur 325. you do get an extra i think it's one seven, 175,000 for your home. if you then giving it to your kids. and of course, if you're a married couple, you can double you can sandwich that amount. and actually so therefore, most family home, they go, i've got it on the screen and most it up on the screen and most family homes therefore will be exempt. happens we've exempt. what happens as we've just upon, is it's just been touching upon, is it's the wealthy people the very, very wealthy people that all of these different that have all of these different structures in place that can stick assets wherever you stick their assets wherever you try context the other way around, the majority detached around, the majority of detached homes country would homes in this country would be above the threshold that you've set and couples have >> and many couples don't have the foresight to plan their deaths conveniently for tax purposes. so quite often you get double death duty quite quickly in a row where very often one partner dies very quickly after the death of their lifelong partner in the end, this is when you start thinking about these
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things. it'sjust you start thinking about these things. it's just a tax on families trying to provide for one another. james was saying i was rhetoric. well, the was using rhetoric. well, the rhetoric that he very rhetoric that he used very reasonably is kind of thing reasonably is the kind of thing that the destruction of all that saw the destruction of all of the great families in england after the second world war introduced terms introduced on reasonable terms and then punitive taxes to and then used punitive taxes to ensure that a whole swathe of very nice houses are now run by the national trust . the national trust. >> what's wrong with the national trust? >> well , they you open up >> well, they you open up a whole different set of discussions about their position on transgender rights and archaeology . archaeology. >> draghi the basic principle that some of our shared inheritance , big country houses inheritance, big country houses or whatever , we can go and walk or whatever, we can go and walk around their gardens and walk around. that seems fine. i meant that the precisely the same precisely the same rhetoric that you used, sounded very you used, which sounded very reasonable, used reasonable, was effectively used to entire class of to destroy an entire class of private in britain private wealth in great britain and you keep at it and you'll have another one. >> well, there you go. >> well, there you go. >> that is an interesting
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question. what's wrong with the national trust? think national trust? i think we'll have perhaps have that conversation perhaps another time doesn't another day time flies, doesn't it, having fun. but it, when you are having fun. but for now, that's all i've got time for. don't go anywhere, richard tice is in for nigel farage, but , gents, for now, farage, but, gents, for now, thank you. have a good night. >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. with the gb news forecast east. today's showers ease overnight. clear spells to come , but clear spells to come, but further rain arrives during tuesday . some of that once again tuesday. some of that once again will be heavy with a strong breeze, but nothing compared to agnes storm. agnes named by the met office because of the risk of widespread disruption into wednesday that before wednesday as that arrives before that, will be a breezy night, that, it will be a breezy night, but nothing out of the ordinary. some clear spells and the lightest winds will be towards the south of england. the east and south of england. that's we'll see some that's where we'll see some mist patches form by but patchy patches form by dawn, but patchy cloud elsewhere and that breeze will keep temperatures in the
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double figures in many spots. further thing, we've got some showers moving into central southern england. they push into the midlands, east anglia and the midlands, east anglia and the southeast by mid—morning . the southeast by mid—morning. perhaps the odd rumble of thunder associated with these. we've a spell of more we've got a spell of more persistent rain moving through northern ireland much of northern ireland into much of scotland the south of scotland and to the south of that into the that showers into wales in the southwest. but between the southwest. but in between the showers, sunshine showers, some sunshine and the sun once again in the sun comes out. once again in the southeast temperatures here southeast with temperatures here of celsius average of 23 celsius average temperatures towards the northwest will stay northwest where it will stay windy the of gales in windy with the risk of gales in the those winds ease the far north. those winds ease by start of wednesday with by the start of wednesday with some early morning sunshine for many. but storm agnes is winding itself up in the atlantic and that's going to bring a spell of wet and windy weather during wednesday afternoon and evening. risk of widespread gales, especially around sea especially around irish sea coasts there's chance coasts, where there's the chance of significant disruption. on wednesday and evening
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