gb news. >> and a very good evening . >> and a very good evening. welcome to farage on gb news. but as you can see, nigel's not here. no, he's having a well—earned break. he's out fishing. we'll talking fishing. we'll be talking about that later. but i'm in that a bit later. but i'm in charge all week we have got charge all week and we have got an action packed full on show. first of all, we're going to be talking lampedusa with talking about lampedusa with mark implications, talking about lampedusa with mark really implications, talking about lampedusa with mark really goingiplications, talking about lampedusa with mark really goingiplicwhat�*, what's really going on, what does over the does this look like over the next to 12 months to, frankly, next 6 to 12 months to, frankly, is it time for the whole thing to be derailed and my favourite topic, got topic, net zero. we've got a great john caldwell, great guest, john caldwell, to talk because the talk about that because the polls that actually the polls show that actually the prime may to prime minister may be on to a thing. that come. thing. all of that to come. but first it's news with first up, it's the news with polly middlehurst richard, thank you. >> the top story hour, the >> the top story this hour, the metropolitan police has launched >> the top story this hour, the meinvestigation.ice has launched >> the top story this hour, the meinvestigation afteras launched >> the top story this hour, the meinvestigation after receivinged >> the top story this hour, the mnumbergation after receivinged >> the top story this hour, the mnumber of ion after receivinged >> the top story this hour, the mnumber of sex after receivinged >> the top story this hour, the mnumber of sex offence eivinged a number of sex offence allegations comedian a number of sex offence allegati brand. comedian a number of sex offence allegati brand. force :omedian a number of sex offence allegatibrand. force saysiian a number of sex offence allecases'and. force saysiian a number of sex offence allecases aren't force saysiian a number of sex offence allecases aren't recente saysiian a number of sex offence allecases aren't recent and/siian a number of sex offence allecases aren't recent and no an the cases aren't recent and no arrests been it arrests have been made. it follows an investigation by channel times channel 4 dispatches. the times and sunday comedian and sunday times. the comedian denies all the accusations against by women. against him made by four women. also news, thousands also in the news, thousands of passengers also in the news, thousands of passen cancelled also in the news, thousands of

passencancelled delayed flights cancelled or delayed after airport after london gatwick airport introduced temporary on introduced a temporary limit on flights. this it's after an outbreak coronavirus among outbreak of coronavirus among air staff. air traffic control staff. there'll 800 there'll be a limit of 800 flights a day until sunday, which departure flights a day until sunday, whi(arrival departure flights a day until sunday, whi(arrival flights. departure flights a day until sunday, whi(arrival flights. theparture flights a day until sunday, whi(arrival flights. the army,e and arrival flights. the army, which help the which was on standby to help the metropolitan has now metropolitan police, has now been after been stood down. it's after a significant number of counter terrorism significant number of counter terrorisn back duties stepped back from their duties after a colleague was charged with the shooting of with murder over the shooting of chris last chris kaba in south london last yeah chris kaba in south london last year. enough year. the force says enough officers have now returned to armed counter—terrorism responsibilities counter—terrorism responsi help. s greater military help. the greater manchester mayor says the north shouldn't have to pay for the government's shouldn't have to pay for the gove rishi tl's is refusing hs2. rishi sunak is refusing to guarantee that manchester will connect with hs2 with a decision expected to be announced before the tory party conference next week. secretary week. now the home secretary is due amongst due to call for unity amongst western leaders tomorrow to combat global migration, visiting the united states. suella braverman will tell an audience in washington that other countries may have something to learn from the uk's innovative approach to migration . she's questioning whether legal frameworks designed more than 50 years ago are still fit for purpose . 1 million nhs for purpose. 1 million nhs appointments have been cancelled since december because of strikes in england last week's

industrial action by junior doctors and consultants means the country's reached the milestone in another double strike is scheduled for next week. the health secretary, steve barclay, has labelled it grim and says medics have received a fair and reasonable pay received a fair and reasonable pay offer and finally, a spacex capsule carrying soil fell from the surface of an asteroid has smashed down to earth and been recovered by nasa. the sample was collected by rac rex before making the 1.2 billion mile journey back to earth. it was parachuted through the earth's atmosphere and it landed in the desert in utah, in the united states, scientists are hoping the sample inside may shed light on the formation of our solar system and even perhaps the origin of life on earth . you're origin of life on earth. you're with gb news across the uk , on with gb news across the uk, on tv, in your car, on your digital radio, and now on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news. channel

>> thank you, polly. well, well , come to farage on gb news. but nigel is away as i say, he's down in cornwall . he's nigel is away as i say, he's down in cornwall. he's fishing. and the rumour is he's actually been catching things today. i think we can see on the screen a picture of nigel with a huge smile on his face. yes, he's caught his first fish. who knows how many more there is in the week, but the good news is that whilst he's away. while the cat's away. yes the mice will play. i'm in charge for the next four nights and we have got a full on action packed show for you. we're going to be talking about your views, opinions, controversy , controversial controversy, controversial issues, and hopefully have some fun along the way. the first big issue we've got to talk about is the continuing migrant crisis . the continuing migrant crisis. it feels to me that this situation is getting worse and worse. we're going to be talking to mark white down on the island, the italian island of

lampedusa, couple lampedusa, in a couple of minutes . but lampedusa, in a couple of minutes. but i just want to give you thoughts this. it's you my thoughts on this. it's all very well. home all very well. the home secretary york all very well. the home secretéthat york all very well. the home secretéthat it's york all very well. the home secretéthat it's no york all very well. the home secretéthat it's no longer»rk all very well. the home secretéthat it's no longer fit saying that it's no longer fit for purpose . this this un 51 for purpose. this this un 51 convention. it's 50 years old. 70 years old. it's not good enough. home secretary, the people of britain want to know how you and the prime minister are going to stop the boats. who's going to show the leadership not only in britain, but across the whole of the european union in order to stop the boats, because otherwise , the boats, because otherwise, guys, what's this going to look like in six months? in 12 months time? how many more tens of thousands are going to come across the english channel? how many more hundreds of thousands are going to come across the mediterranean to italy already this year, it's september over. there's some 130,000 plus have left north africa and have arrived in italy very often through this island of

lampedusa, by the way, is closer to north africa than to italy. how many more are going to come over the next three months? and across other routes across the mediterranean ? i'm absolutely mediterranean? i'm absolutely convinced the only way you're going to stop this is you've got to pick up and safely take back. you've got to push back. we know it works because guess what? it worked in australia . they did worked in australia. they did it. and the boats stopped coming. and yes , they took a bit coming. and yes, they took a bit of flak for it. they took a bit of flak for it. they took a bit of grief from all the lefties , of grief from all the lefties, as you know, all the heart wrenching people. but the boat stopped it. and it's actually the kind and compassionate thing to do. it's the right thing to do to stop the boats. we can talk about the aftermath of all of that, but at the moment, confidence amongst the british people in the prime minister's pledge to stop the boats is waning. we've got demonstrations at hotel after hotel. and my

point to you, it's not good enough. so the question i'm asking you today is, is the eu abandoning italy on the migrant crisis? you know, the email address. it's a special one, farage at gb news dot com or tweet. hashtag farage on gb news. well let's go live first of all, in the show to lampedusa, where our home security editor mark white is there on the island. mark, a very good evening to you. i know you've had a busy day . look, you've had a busy day. look, first of all, mark, what are conditions like that you've discovered on on the island where you've now got? i think, 11, 12,000 arrived in the last 12, 14 days against a population of 6000. what's the mood? what's the feeling? what's the secure pretty in the safety of the citizens on the island and well , certainly things are far calmer on the island than they were just a week ago when we had many thousands of people still

here where we have had over the last three days some quite strong winds out in the mediterranean . mediterranean. >> that has stopped these boats from coming across. that's due to continue until about wednesday . we've seen it, of wednesday. we've seen it, of course , many times in the course, many times in the engush course, many times in the english channel when the weather improves, then we're expecting another surge of these boats to come from north africa. in the meantime , the italian meantime, the italian authorities are getting their troops in place. we saw as we arrived in lampedusa last night , dozens of italian police officers arriving at the airport there to help reinforce the hundreds of officers who are already here. the red cross is here in significant numbers and being bolstered. all the time as well. it is an island that is bracing for many thousands more to come in the coming weeks. they've had 62,000 migrants come to lampedusa since the 1st of

june. and there is no sign of that stopping any time soon richard . and, mark, how quickly richard. and, mark, how quickly doesit richard. and, mark, how quickly does it take the authorities to process the arrivals on the island and move them to italy? >> is that a matter of days, weeks . weeks. >> yeah , it doesn't take long at >> yeah, it doesn't take long at all, actually . i mean, it took a all, actually. i mean, it took a bit of a while all last week when we had such a surge of 11,000 people coming across in ten days. at one point, the migrant camp run by the red cross had 7000 migrants inside that camp. it's designed to hold only 400. and that took them a while to process them . but while to process them. but normally when they do it, they're fairly quick. they send out a ferry in the morning, a ferry in the evening carrying about 400 people each time to the italian mainland. but there is the wider question, of course

, of when they reach the italian mainland. italy says they feel like they've been abandoned by the european union, that no one is prepared to properly burden share and take these thousands of migrants away from italy to other countries in the european union. >> and that's my actual question, actually, to the audience, mark, is, is the eu abandoning italy? but essentially looking to the future now what happens from here are we going to see a situation where actually eu nafions situation where actually eu nations are essentially completely abandoning the whole idea of freedom of movement, the schengen zone , and they're going schengen zone, and they're going to have to put up the borders , to have to put up the borders, they're going to have to have border posts and fences. i mean, this situation is not tenable on the current basis. you've got almost a 50% increase in arrivals in italy alone, where does this go over the next 6 to 12 months? mark >> well, i think brussels would

definite deny that there is any end in sight to the scheneman agreement. they clearly prized that particular policy, that freedom of movement throughout european union countries, very highly. but lawmaker are meeting within the coming days to decide on a way forward and to sort of map out more coherently for european countries when they can actually detract from the border policy and put up borders between member states. we're seeing it already. austria threatened now that within days they are going to have border checks with italy because they are very concerned about migrants making their way through italy into austria. we're seeing the same with france. they've stepped up policing of their border with italy as well. germany is doing likewise. so borders are popping

up all the time. i mean, it happened as clearly a significant issue during the pandemic when borders sprung up right across the european union. but even after the pandemic pandemic subsided and we still had a number of these countries on security grounds on fears about mass migratory transit issues have put up these border checks. and that is really denting this schengen model. and it is going to have to be something that the european union lawmakers are are quite inventive about a way forward because at the moment it just doesn't seem that it's working at all. >> mark, thank you very much indeed. it feels to me that once again, brussels will be completely out of touch with this situation. i can see individual eu nations rapidly

erecting borders and frankly , erecting borders and frankly, only abandoning italy . and i only abandoning italy. and i don't know where that goes. but if these numbers continue, we are facing serious, serious issues. and of course , we know issues. and of course, we know that many of those who are arriving, coming over the mediterranean , they've got the mediterranean, they've got the united kingdom in their sights. they want to come here. they think that have most think that we have the most generous , welcoming generous, welcoming accommodation . and i think the accommodation. and i think the truth is not only do they think that, but they're probably right. well, that was mark white on the island of lampedusa. but now now we're going to look at a slightly angle on now now we're going to look at a slighi'm angle on now now we're going to look at a slighi'm delightedngle on now now we're going to look at a slighi'm delighted to e on now now we're going to look at a slighi'm delighted to be n now now we're going to look at a slighi'm delighted to be joined this. i'm delighted to be joined down the line dean morgan, down the line by dean morgan, who's director at visa who's the director at visa immigration first immigration consultants first migration. dean, thank you so much for joining migration. dean, thank you so much forjoining me. migration. dean, thank you so much forjoining me . this much forjoining me. this situation on the asylum seekers is almost out of control now. now i know you operate on sort of the lawful applications to come to the united kingdom, but many people on the other side of this debate, dean, have been sort of saying, well, we need

safe and legal routes and that that will stop this . what are that will stop this. what are your thoughts on that? how do safe and legal routes actually actually work? and do think actually work? and do you think that that would stop or mitigate or dramatically reduce this situation , this crisis ? situation, this crisis? >> i personally don't think it would. and good evening, richard . i mean, problem that you . i mean, the problem that you have asylum. have is to claim asylum. you need make your way to the uk need to make your way to the uk lawfully to do when you lawfully to do so. and when you arrive you speak to a arrive here, you speak to a border you claim border official. you claim asylum. typically give asylum. typically they'll give you an asylum interview then you an asylum interview and then they'll you how long you they'll notify you how long you can expect to wait decision on can expect to wait a decision on the problem people the problem is that people coming small, small boats. coming in on small, small boats. i mean , since 2015, according to i mean, since 2015, according to statistics, there's been 81,000 people have come in through small boats in five years. now, because of the asylum backlog, only 13% of those have received a decision. but here's the shocking thing. 86% of those received humanitarian protection. now now, the problem is, is that the people that are coming on the boats can't get a visitor visa or a student visa

or a skilled worker visa to come here lawfully . the only way they here lawfully. the only way they can asylum is can get here to claim asylum is via boats and going through 15 plus safe, you know, countries to get to their country of preference and choice. so many people on the sort of the left side of this debate who want to welcome more asylum seekers into the uk. >> they say , well, well, in >> they say, well, well, in italy have italy we should have a processing that processing centre that essentially creates a safe and legal route from italy or indeed from north africa to the uk. what happens , though, dean, if what happens, though, dean, if that was set up, if people think that's a good thing, i frankly, i'm far from convinced. but what happens to those who who get rejected through that route? because actually they're just an economic migrant. they haven't come from a war zone. what do they do ? they do? >> well, the italians would just have to deal with the problem. i mean, that's that's the left solution to this . and that's the solution to this. and that's the problem . i mean, the only problem. i mean, the only solution can be global. the reason that people are migrating is, i mean, you've got great

powers, the west versus the east, shall we say, with wagner in nigeria and things like that that are playing power, geopolitical power battles , geopolitical power battles, civil wars afghanistan . civil wars in afghanistan. you've got eritrea, central african republic , syria, the african republic, syria, the list goes on and on. someone's financing and providing arms to both sides . so, you know, if both sides. so, you know, if they didn't, one side would win. so you know, the destabilisation of south america economically , of south america economically, forcing migrants into north america to you see the same pattern with africa coming into europe and same with the middle east as so this isn't east as well. so this isn't going to be solved unless it's on a global level. and the problem is we're a tiny island, 70 million people, and everyone wants the bottom wants to live in the bottom corner of it. i don't see how just bringing people to the uk solves any problems or helps. i think that's the point. >> dean and the reality is that if someone gets rejects aid under this, this process of safe and legal routes that the other side this debate the side of this debate think is the answer , i think they're just answer, i think they're just going to keep coming. think

going to keep on coming. i think they'll just keep paying the they'll just keep on paying the vile traffickers and the vile people, traffickers and the smugglers and so we'll still have the boats and then those people will be saying, well, what next? and eventually , dean, what next? and eventually, dean, i think we have to get to my solution, which is, you have to pick up and take back and then you start to deal with the situation, the crisis in in africa and some of those other nafions. nations. >> i totally agree. which i mean, look, the problem is we you know, the rules, you know, as it said in the news, then 50 years ago, what's the population of world now and how of the world right now and how many live on under many people live on under a dollar now now, if dollar a day? now now, if i lived in those countries , i hate lived in those countries, i hate hypocrisy . i would have left and hypocrisy. i would have left and i would have made my way as an economic migrant for a better life for myself and my family . life for myself and my family. in be foolish in my opinion, you'd be foolish to. not but the problem is, if you take from third you take everyone from the third world and put them in the first world, world world, well, the first world becomes the third world. and the other have is, other problem that we have is, is people that show total is that people that show total disregard law , it's not disregard for the law, it's not the to build

the best foundation to build your new life in the uk . you your new life in the uk. you haven't followed due process . haven't followed due process. and but you know, it's again , and but you know, it's again, this being a global problem, it needs a global solution. it's like saying the uk needs to solve the global, you know, the, the global kind of climate crisis. but if we produce 1% of co2 and china and india are building coal power stations better than we would build bridges. >> dean you're right. bridges. >> dean you're right . what it >> dean you're right. what it needsis >> dean you're right. what it needs is some proper leadership and some world leading leadership . and i think that our leadership. and i think that our prime minister should show that. i think we've got to pick up and safely take back. i think we're entitled it under the entitled to do it under the international treaties that i've read. do that, then read. if we do that, then actually give that actually we can give that leadership to the eu leaders as i think they need a lot of that. dean morgan , thank you much dean morgan, thank you so much for me here farage. forjoining me here on farage. on gb news. look, this story is not going away. until not going away. and until someone courage and the someone has the courage and the leadership, the decisive direction to do that, the situation will get worse and worse and more and more will come. coming up, tony long,

author of lethal force my life as the met's most controversial marksman. you won't want to miss it

redditch alone, you're listening to gb news radio . to gb news radio. >> welcome back to farage on gb news. i'm standing in for nigel all of this week. he is taking a well—earned break. earlier in the show i asked you is the eu abandoning italy on the migrant crisis? and it's fair to say plenty of reaction. one viewer says yes , but they've abandoned says yes, but they've abandoned every single country when it when it comes to controlling borders. it's a complete mess . borders. it's a complete mess. victor says the so—called schengen agreement will go down as one of the greatest disasters in history. i have to say , i in history. i have to say, i think there's a lot of truth in that, victor . and then finally, that, victor. and then finally, muriel says that the eu's got no intention. what so ever of stopping the migration down to italy. nothing will be done until it's too late for all of

europe . muriel i hope. i hope europe. muriel i hope. i hope that's not the case. we've got to do better than that. we've got to show some proper leadership. my concern at the moment is, frankly, there's none of it anywhere . anyway, on to of it anywhere. anyway, on to the other big story today following the charging of a police officer, a met officer for murder over the killing of chris kaba, which is now under under charge . and clearly, we've under charge. and clearly, we've had a situation where many, many of the armed forces , armed of the armed forces, armed officers in the met have been really concerned about the implications for themselves . and implications for themselves. and actually, they went on strike. i mean, this is a seriously dramatic thing to do to. but there's nothing like actually speaking to someone who's actually been there, who knows what it's like to be an armed force, an officer with the met with a firearm and actually facing the situation where you

might have to pull the trigger. so i'm delighted to be joined in the studio for the first time by tony long, who is a former met police specialist , met firearms police specialist, met firearms officer and instructor and author of a book that i've got here, lethal force my life as the met's most controversial marksman. tony, a very warm welcome. your first time here at gb news. so thank you. this situation . great to have you situation. great to have you with us. in a sense , you know with us. in a sense, you know exactly what this must be like. you're facing a critical decision in you're highly trained , highly skilled. what trained, highly skilled. what would be going through the mind of a firearms officer, specialist counter—terrorism officer with the met facing this sort of situation ? sort of situation? >> i think i have to be a bit careful here because i can't talk about the actual talk about the actual about the principle of because of what it's like because because know, you've been because you know, you've been there your the most there arguably your the most controversial firearms officer yeah. i'd like to say that that was added by the publishers, not

myself. i'm not quite that immodest, but i mean, it's i'd like to say it's a really difficult decision to shoot. and i've been involved in one situation, the last one, the one that resulted in me being charged with murder, which was extremely difficult . the first extremely difficult. the first two incidents i was involved with couldn't been with couldn't really have been eafien with couldn't really have been easier. the first involved a easier. the first one involved a man who had killed a woman, was holding her six old child holding her six year old child hostage. when into hostage. and when i came into the climbed through the room, having climbed through the room, having climbed through the window and confronted him, he stabbed a six year old little girl. that's not a difficult decision. that's gold standard . decision. that's gold standard. you know, there choice. you know, there is no choice. you know, there is no choice. you shoot the you have to shoot him. the second was involved second incident i was involved with confronted by three with, i was confronted by three armed robbers in the process of robbing a security van, all wearing balaclavas and all carrying guns . that's not carrying guns. that's not a difficult decision when they all start turning at once . the start turning at once. the decision making process is done for you. the last situation i found myself in was was more akin perhaps to what this officer has gone through insofar

as i didn't see a gun. the intelligence agents that we were acting off had come by means that are inadmissible in a court of law and are covered by the ripper act. now, i don't know how that information was come by. i don't know whether it was phone or whatever, but it's phone taps or whatever, but it's a technical source that isn't admissible. >> but you have to trust the intelligence. >> you have to trust that intelligence that intelligence and that intelligence and that intelligence suggested that he had two fully automatic mac, ten submachine guns , which fire at submachine guns, which fire at a rate of about 1200 rounds per minute. and we knew that they were very close to a location where they were going to rob and murder rival colombian drug dealers and steal their cocaine off them. and we were given instructions to stop the vehicle. the body language of the man in the back seat convinced me that he was armed or a an armed himself. convinced me that he was armed or a an armed himself . and or a an armed himself. and combined with the intelligence we were given, i had to make the

decision to fire without actually seeing a gun. and that's a leap of faith and that's a leap of faith and that's a leap of faith and that's a leap of faith. >> and i mean, that is a situation that 99.99% of the population just cannot really comprehend how difficult that is and how much of a split second decision is that ? is it is it it decision is that? is it is it it is split second. >> i mean, it's very difficult, but it's all based on. so, for instance, one of the things that was thrown at me was that i made the decision to fire in nought point a second, point something of a second, and that based on a scientific that was based on a scientific reconstruction based on what we call the black box in the police vehicle that was able to geo position the vehicle and combined with video footage . so combined with video footage. so they did a computer reconstruction . in point of reconstruction. in point of fact, what they were saying was because i fired nought point nought five seconds after my vehicle came to rest, i couldn't have had time to assess the situation . in point of fact, i situation. in point of fact, i had 10s prior to it, if you actually looked at it but you

touched upon something that's very true , that's very relevant very true, that's very relevant there is that i say ordinary people, i'm not being dismissive of people that haven't been in that situation, but people that have been in that situation have a totally different understanding to laypersons or say you've been you've been highly trained , highly skilled, highly trained, highly skilled, and obviously in a sense that training tells you about the intelligence you're going to get. >> and all of that. but do you understand the officers that have sort of essentially went on strike or almost went on strike? do you understand their anxiety? absolutely. how tough is it? >> can i can i just say right, right away? there are something in 40,000 officers in the region of 40,000 officers in the region of 40,000 officers in metropolitan police, in the metropolitan police, of which few which about 2500, perhaps a few more are trained in the use of firearms . those 2500 are all firearms. those 2500 are all volunteers . you can't really volunteers. you can't really strike from a voluntary you can withdraw your labour, draw your laboun withdraw your labour, draw your labour. and the reason that they've done that is it's actually written it's actually an instruction that if you come

on duty to conduct an armed operation or simply to go out on patrol a firearm, you are patrol with a firearm, you are duty bound to notify by your senior senior officers if for any reason you don't feel fit to conduct it might just be for a day. it might just be. you've had a raven row with your missus, might be multiple reasons why actually , it's reasons why actually, it's better you don't put better that you don't put yourself in these stress. so what are saying what these officers are saying is that this is officer the officer that was involved in this shooting has now been charged murder . i would charged with murder. i would say that he is the straw that broke the camel's camel's back. you know, the reality is that there have been lots of officers between me retiring in 2008 and today that have found themselves in similar situations. today that have found themselves in similar situations . officers in similar situations. officers that have been under investigation for over two years. then it gets to court. having gone through the crown prosecution service and then the crown prosecution service withdraw the charges because they say there's no realistic chance of a conviction. well, these are highly trained, very expensive, highly trained officers , those who have acted

officers, those who have acted in accordance with their training have basically been training and have basically been punished because there is no time limit on these investigations is. >> so do you feel the support from the leadership of the met? is sufficient? >> i think i think it's atrocious . atrocious. >> do you think it's atrocious? i think it's atrocious. is it better years better sort of 15, 20 years ago? not really. better sort of 15, 20 years ago? not rhanded my blue card in in >> i handed my blue card in in 2005, in a similar thing. it was the only other time in the history of the unit that we've done that and we only did it for a of hours because sir done that and we only did it for a stevens,)urs because sir done that and we only did it for a stevens, who 3ecause sir done that and we only did it for a stevens, who wasuse sir done that and we only did it for a stevens, who was the sir john stevens, who was the commissioner at time, came commissioner at the time, came down, rolled up his sleeves like a proper old school cop, said , i a proper old school cop, said, i used to carry a gun when i was on the squad. know what on the flying squad. i know what you're with me. on the flying squad. i know what you�*going with me. on the flying squad. i know what you�*going deal with me. on the flying squad. i know what you�*going deal withvith me. on the flying squad. i know what you�*going deal with it] me. on the flying squad. i know what you�*going deal with it. and. i'm going to deal with it. and we naive because it we all rather naive because it was first time ever was the first time it ever happened. was the first time it ever happened . sort went along was the first time it ever happitled . sort went along was the first time it ever happit and sort went along was the first time it ever happit and nothing went along was the first time it ever happit and nothing didt along was the first time it ever happit and nothing did happen. with it and nothing did happen. and intervening and then in the intervening years later , commissioners and i years later, commissioners and i think i think it was hogan—howe and cameron when he was prime minister , where they set promise minister, where they set promise that they were going to look at some of the inequalities that

happened when police officers are investigated. one of the things i'd like to say is that i'm not equating what we do with brain surgery , but if, for brain surgery, but if, for instance, you look at other professional bodies like, say, paramedics or doctors, if a paramedics or doctors, if a paramedic or a doctor make a genuine mistake, they misdiagnosed somebody and therefore give them the wrong treatment or under pressure, accidentally gives somebody the wrong medicine . yes. and that wrong medicine. yes. and that person dies . wrong medicine. yes. and that person dies. nobody wrong medicine. yes. and that person dies . nobody considers person dies. nobody considers prosecuting those people , all prosecuting those people, all for killing somebody. they will be investigated . it will go be investigated. it will go before a tribunal and some form of resolution will come up whereby they'll be have to go through a re—education process where they'll have to have a mentor with them for a period. >> a really >> they're making a really difficult, highly skilled precision judgement. exactly. and sometimes they might get it slightly so there's slightly wrong. so there's lessons learned. slightly wrong. so there's lesznow, learned. slightly wrong. so there's lesznow, if, learned. slightly wrong. so there's lesznow, if, on earned. slightly wrong. so there's lesznow, if, on earrother hand , >> now, if, on the other hand, you know, we're about you know, we're talking about the reasonably the nurse that was reasonably convicted now was convicted who we know now was deliberately killing babies or

harold shipman. that's murder. that's different. >> yes, that's different. but clearly premeditated. what is happening and what is being happening and what is being happening now for some considerable is that the considerable time is that the ipcc or whatever they're called this week, because every time they mess up, they just rebrand basically , they've they basically, they've they investigate for as long as they like. >> they're under no restrictions as police officers are know, having to tolerate that . and having to tolerate that. and then when they are acquitted, if they are charged, they then get two slices of the cherry because the investigating body turns around to the met police and say, we want them done under discipline for gross misconduct . so they then suffer a second trial. so i just think that perhaps they should look at the way what's the answer ? way what's the answer? >> just quickly, what's the solution? should it be only one trial? do we need to change in the law to provide more? >> i just think it needs to be a realistic , because these realistic look, because these are amateurs. are these aren't rank amateurs. these professional people these are professional people that months that have gone through months and training . and to

and months of training. and to go and months of training. and to 9° 9° and months of training. and to go go from an unarmed go from to go from an unarmed officer on the street and become an response vehicle an armed response vehicle operator to is something like 15 weeks training. weeks of training. that's massive with other massive compared with other forces around the country. if you then after a year or so or two on the arvs, two years on the on the arvs, the response vehicles, you the armed response vehicles, you decide want then decide you want to then become a counter—terrorist . so it's counter—terrorist sfo. so it's another 21 weeks of training, nearly six months training. nearly six months of training. and what we're doing is the moment they conduct the training, the moment they do what they've been trained to do , of murder . , they're accused of murder. they're suspended for 3 or 4 years, tony, or more. >> i admire anybody. this must be such a highly skilled and some of the most challenging decisions that anybody could could make in any form of service in the uk. tony long, thank you so much for coming in, sharing your thoughts . that is sharing your thoughts. that is tony long. he is a former met specialist , firearms officer and specialist, firearms officer and instructor and author of the book lethal force. thank you, tony. well, coming up, if hs2 , tony. well, coming up, if hs2,

i've never been a fan, i always think it's the wrong thing in the wrong place at the wrong price . could it be axed from price. could it be axed from where to where were we talking to christian wolmar? he's a fan. i think . after the

day now. >> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to farage at gb news with me richard tice. well, we're struggling to get christian walmart to talk about hs2 down the line. maybe he's trying to help them sort of sort out the costs. i mean, this thing is just a catastrophe. so hopefully we'll speak to christian a later . hopefully we'll speak to christian a later. but hopefully we'll speak to christian a later . but the christian a bit later. but the other my big bugbears is other one of my big bugbears is the of net zero. and the the issue of net zero. and the prime minister last week making a really bold new statement, new direction on for the government and some people have been very enthusiastic about it. and one part of his party but actually a lot of people have been very concerned about it. and later in

the show, we're going to be talking to john caldwell, a significant donor to the conservative party, with his views, because it seems that he's saying he's not going to donate any more to the party if that's direction of travel that's the direction of travel of the prime minister. well, that's the direction of travel of theis rime minister. well, that's the direction of travel of theis actually|ister. well, that's the direction of travel of theis actually ater. well, that's the direction of travel of theis actually a pollvell, that's the direction of travel of theis actually a poll out, there is actually a poll out today that seems to indicate that mr caldwell may be going down the wrong track because the conservatives are up five on the back of the prime minister's shift on the issue of net zero. now i'm delighted to be joined in the studio by laurie labour and langton, who's an economist at an environmental policy researcher to talk about this . researcher to talk about this. laurie, thanks for being with us. so this is a it's a really significant moment in the net zero debate. i've been very outspoken on. i think it's the i think it's the wrong thing at the wrong price and the wrong time i'm very concerned time frame. i'm very concerned that actually it's going to send ourjobs that actually it's going to send our jobs and that actually it's going to send ourjobs and money abroad and that actually ordinary families up and down the country cannot afford the prime afford it. and the prime minister basically

minister finally, he's basically admitted that is the case. but of course , net zero is written of course, net zero is written into law, isn't it? in the uk you've got the climate change act of 2008 and then you've got the amendments to that in 2019, stroke 20 after theresa may. so the prime minister is probably going to face lots of legal challenges coming in all directions from those who think he's got this completely wrong. >> probably will. >> yeah, he probably will. i think he should also face legal challenges from people who want britain's industry to return. so i got a i got a cab over here. it was a black cab. it was one of the electric ones right . that of the electric ones right. that cab was made in coventry , i cab was made in coventry, i think. but it was produced by a chinese company called geely. i mean, there's then a shell company that does the actual cab building. i think that's ridiculous. two things are going on there. one, electric vehicles are increasingly being brought in globally. this is a new wave. it's not something that's been pushed it down our throats. private companies , automotive private companies, automotive companies want us to have

electric vehicles right in the same way that companies benefited moved from benefited when we moved from horses the first horses to cars in the first place. the second thing that's happening is china is winning those opportunities per the black cab example. i think it is outrageous is that black cabs in london are made by chinese companies. so what? >> and i've got an electric car myself and yes, i love it. i'm not a great fan of noise . so for not a great fan of noise. so for me, that suits my issue is it's the cost of them . and the reason the cost of them. and the reason the cost of them. and the reason the reason the chinese cars are so much cheaper is because they've got a much lower energy cost because they're getting their energy, their electricity from a coal fired generating power stations of which they're building 200 of them as we speak. but they are also installing more renewables capacity per month than most western countries are installing over a course of years. over a course of years. >> over a course of years. >> the other reason why they're cheap is because of subsidy from beijing, right? so we need to understand here that another

reason why european evs are more expensive is because and i'm going to be completely honest here, of countries in the here, a lot of countries in the west, including uk , also west, including the uk, also including the major european manufacturing countries like germany, didn't anticipate germany, they didn't anticipate this opportunity fast enough . so this opportunity fast enough. so some car companies are playing catch up. right. we need all we can do to ensure that they catch up quicker and but but here's the issue is that you're having to give the governments having to give the governments having to give the governments having to give huge subsidies. >> given them to bmw to >> it's given them to bmw to jaguan >> it's given them to bmw to jaguar, land rover , hundreds and jaguar, land rover, hundreds and hundreds of millions of our cash. it's not government money. it's our cash. and the number of jobs employed in those in that process is much, much less in the traditional combustion engine process. so the truth is that this rush to net zero is costing hundreds of thousands of jobs in the automotive sector alone, either directly or indirectly. >> well, have you got the figure for them? because the government's independent advisers have made it very clear

that they think that the net impact on jobs so that's just to be totally clear, the we're going we're going to might lose some jobs in net zero, but we'll also gain some from all the new things made and things that are made and different the net different processes. so the net gain is a net gain is between 100 and 35 and as much as 750,000 jobs. there's a huge amount to be done. and i tell you what, there's the maximum number, the most jobs that we could get from going towards net zero are the ones where there instead of a chinese company being the one that makes the london black cab, it becomes a british company. i want a union jack on top of the wind turbines. i want a wind . i want turbines. i want a wind. i want a union jack on stamped on the insulation that we're putting in people's interesting. insulation that we're putting in peopleyou interesting. insulation that we're putting in peopleyou talk interesting. insulation that we're putting in peopleyou talk aboutaresting. insulation that we're putting in peopleyou talk aboutarestingdoes >> so you talk about where does the i look the numbers come from? so i look to office for national to the office for national statistics, their data for last year shows that less than 1% of all jobs in the united kingdom are green jobs. less than 1. it's less than 2% of gdp. we've

all been promised all these green jobs , but lots of people green jobs, but lots of people are entitled to ask where are they and what's the price? and last week i was down in port talbot talking to union leaders at the steel plant. thousands and thousands of great highly skilled manufacturing steel jobs are being slain on the altar of net zero, just binned . net zero, just binned. >> well, they're not like one of the biggest factors that got in the biggest factors that got in the way of that led to the loss ofjobs the way of that led to the loss of jobs in industry in this country is that successive governments, tory and labour , governments, tory and labour, did not invest in home—grown british capacity. right. we are now in a situation globally, whether we like it or not, there's nothing we can do to resist this. where industry is moving towards renewables to electric vehicles and so on. china's example out the us example of that is an example of that. climate that. it's respective of climate change. the question is whether we capitalise on that and bring jobs here. the complaint to the government , if there's only 1% government, if there's only 1% of the green jobs is of the jobs of green jobs is that done enough to that they haven't done enough to

bnng that they haven't done enough to bring here because there bring them here because there are us. are green jobs in the us. >> the >> the reason is we've got the most electricity in most expensive electricity in the as i understand . the g20. as i understand. laurie, thank you so much. we must i've much must get you back. i've so much to about on this issue. to talk about on this issue. next up, we're actually going to shift the order. we're going to be john caldwell , the be talking to john caldwell, the highly successful entrepreneur of the mobile phone industry , of the mobile phone industry, about this very issue. he's quite grumpy with the prime minister coming up on farage at

gb news. welcome back to farage on gb news. well, the votes is in the latest poll that's out just today seem to think the prime minister is on the right track in delaying many of the serious obugafions in delaying many of the serious obligations of net zero. i want him to go much, much further. personally, i want to scrap the whole thing. i think it's a job destroyer. i think it sends our money overseas. i think it's a catastrophe . we that's nothing. catastrophe. we that's nothing.

we can save the environment . we we can save the environment. we can of can protect our environment. of course, all cleaner air, course, we all want cleaner air, but net is the wrong thing but net zero is the wrong thing at price. but here is at the wrong price. but here is an entrepreneur, highly successful phones for successful founder of phones for you. with me, john caldwell . a you. with me, john caldwell. a very good evening, john. thanks for joining us. you completely forjoining us. you completely disagree with me and i think you disagree with me and i think you disagree with me and i think you disagree with the prime minister. you think he's got it completely john completely wrong. john >> i do, absolutely. and good evening to you. no, i absolutely disagree. if we look at where the planet's going and i've been studying this for about 20 years, i've got no scientific experience. but what i have got is a brain that can look at all the data that's coming that's come through over the last 20 years. and all of that suggests a real apocalyptic event or series of events over the next 20, 30 years. and do we want that actually to happen now ? i that actually to happen now? i don't agree. absolutely don't agree that looking after the environment is not commensurate

with growing wealth. quite the reverse is true. net zero is going to happen. no matter what. like your previous speaker said , it is going to happen and if we're at the forefront of developing technologies and intellectual technologies and production capabilities, we can export all that over the world. now, i've been lobbying the conservative government now for three and a half years , asking three and a half years, asking them to create a tax free enterprise zone to bring all the best brains from around the world to set up businesses in the uk on all forms of environmental technology, from turning the everest, the everest mountain of plastics into whatever we can do with them, whether that's building blocks or other other products right the way through from that to tidal energy, anything that is environmentally friendly, that can be commercially viable . can be commercially viable. yeah, we did all we did all well, you know that. but this is a opportunity. it's a massive ,

a opportunity. it's a massive, massive business. >> we keep hearing that it's a great opportunity. but actually what it's doing at the moment is destroying jobs. it's sending jobs , sees we've got jobs overseas, sees we've got steel jobs down in port talbot. i was down there just last week, 3000 jobs, families, incomes being thrown on the scrap heap of net zero, john. and yet it's just 1% of green jobs. even the office of national statistics says that you you're a businessman, i presume. >> i don't know what you do. i've run 20 or 30 different businesses and i can tell you at any one time some of those businesses were really struggling because they were yesterday's cold bacon. and what we have to do is move forward to futuristic businesses . there is futuristic businesses. there is no doubt whatsoever that environmental technology is are the future commercial and will produce mass massively massive wealth for britain and massive job creation , providing the job creation, providing the government incentives these people to do it. now well yeah, that i hear that, john.

>> but but the reality is that john that that's taxpayers cash. >> no, no , it's not taxpayers >> no, no, it's not taxpayers cash. there's no such thing as government money. no. are you listening or challenging? wait until i've made my point. if the government now launch an enterprise zone to bring businesses from all over the world, they give tax free incense lives that cost the taxpayer not a dime because all it is, is money. it's no tax being paid. but it wasn't going to get paid anyway. and what we do is we have, say, a ten year corporation tax holiday to give them chance to develop the products and to invest in their businesses and start producing and then maybe a guarantee for another 10 or 20 years that they only pay 50% of the corporation tax rate because they're in a very desirable business that's helping. now, if we do that, that costs the taxpayer not a penny. we grow jobs, we grow

export and we grow commercial future for britain. and yeah, the steelwork of jobs aside, look at how many jobs we lost in the mining industry. look at how many jobs we lost in the mining industry . we cannot. the mining industry. we cannot. and the old john for communities was devastating. >> for decades . john i'm running >> for decades. john i'm running out of time. john. the show is flying by, but i'm so glad you came on to put that view. this will run and run without question. john caldwell, thanks for being with us on farage at gb news. now to the crisis is so significant, even my guest couldn't appear. we've lost christian wolmar. i'm going to give you a quick view on it. i've always this i've always thought this has been project and if been a disastrous project and if you're to something you're going to do something wrong, you know, why didn't we level up in the north? why didn't we have three from liverpool to harland to newcastle, for example ? nigel is newcastle, for example? nigel is with me on this. we've campaigned against it. the worst thing could do is now build thing you could do is now build a train set from a suburb in london that no one's ever heard of to a suburb in birmingham that one's ever heard of. the that no one's ever heard of. the answer is so scrap the whole

thing. as far as i can see, but i'm delighted to be joined in this studio by someone who might also have a view on this. jacob also have a view on this. jacob a good evening. good a very good evening. good evening. welcome to gb news evening. and welcome to gb news david maddox . david maddox. >> i've had a lot of fun. yes. yeah, you're part of the family now. so much time. yeah, you're part of the family novwe) much time. yeah, you're part of the family novwe) much �*had. to >> we haven't had time to go through what the farage but nigel would be furious at this. what? pubs are what? the farage jacob pubs are being stop using phrases being told to stop using phrases like same again. would you like same again. or would you like same again. or would you like a double, sir? i mean, seriously , i didn't know that seriously, i didn't know that i'm allowed to say this, but a single gin and tonic is complete waste time. waste of time. >> you heard it >> there you are. you heard it here single gin and here first. a single gin and tonic a complete of time. >> what's coming up on your watch? >> em up, we're watch? >> up, we're going w—m >> coming up, we're going to be talking tax talking about inheritance tax because it's talking about inheritance tax becau to it's talking about inheritance tax becau to abolished it's talking about inheritance tax becau to abolished . it's talking about inheritance tax becau to abolished . but t's talking about inheritance tax becau to abolished . but i s going to be abolished. but i think really important. think this is really important. it's a terrible tax. it's economically inefficient and it's potentially an election winner for us. you won't like this, but election for the this, but an election for the tories when you're a tory, probably even you probably even if you may sometimes under other sometimes fly under other colours. if rishi goes with colours. and if rishi goes with that not a promise, but actually abolishes it, it's really exciting and economically beneficial. what's interesting

is actually it seems as though the minister been the prime minister has been listening to me because i've been campaigning for years against . against inheritance tax. >> tax. it's >> it's a grief tax. it's a horrific tax. it's a double tax on people who've saved, strived , been successful, worked hard. it's the least popular tax, i think, in the country, and it's stunningly economically inefficient because it causes people have bad investments people to have bad investments that don't because that they don't change because they're the tax they're worried about the tax consequences of changing. they're worried about the tax cons0|uences of changing. they're worried about the tax cons0|uthink of changing. they're worried about the tax cons0|uthink this hanging. they're worried about the tax cons0|uthink this is nging. they're worried about the tax cons0|uthink this is aiing. they're worried about the tax cons0|uthink this is a real >> so i think this is a real opportunity it puts labour opportunity and it puts labour on entirely on the spot. >> absolutely. took me on the spot. keep it or scrap it. spot. hs2 keep it or scrap it. >> i've never been in favour of hs2 except when i was bound by collective responsibility and wasn't allowed to oppose it. there's quite interesting wasn't allowed to oppose it. there'ofjuite interesting wasn't allowed to oppose it. there'of keir interesting wasn't allowed to oppose it. there'of keir starmerasting wasn't allowed to oppose it. there'of keir starmer ating wasn't allowed to oppose it. there'of keir starmer a few video of keir starmer a few years seen that. years i've seen that. >> yes where keir >> yes. where actually keir starmer, says he was against starmer, he says he was against it both on the grounds of cost and he doing now? and merit. what's he doing now? >> but your point, a suburb in london suburb in london to a suburb in birmingham. what's he going to london to a suburb in birnwho'sm. what's he going to london to a suburb in birnwho's going at's he going to london to a suburb in birnwho's going to; he going to london to a suburb in birnwho's going to use going to london to a suburb in birnwho's going to use it)ing to london to a suburb in birnwho's going to use it ?1g to do? who's going to use it? >> jacob, have a great show. well, i've enjoyed my first show. i'll be tomorrow show. i'll be back tomorrow night. time, place, night. same time, same place, lots to go. coming up, though,

it's the weather, the temperatures rising, boxt solar, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. with the gb news forecast. today's showers ease overnight clear spells to come, but further rain arrives during tuesday. some of that once again will be heavy with a strong breeze , but with a strong breeze, but nothing compared to agnes. storm agnes named by the met office because of the risk of widespread disruption into wednesday as that arrives before that, it will be a breezy night, but nothing out of the ordinary. some clear spells and the lightest winds will be towards the east and south england. the east and south of england. that's we'll see mist that's where we'll see some mist patches by dawn, but patchy patches form by dawn, but patchy cloud elsewhere and that breeze will keep temperatures in the double figures in many spots . double figures in many spots. first thing we've got some showers moving into central southern england . they push into southern england. they push into the midlands, east anglia and the midlands, east anglia and the southeast. by mid—morning . the southeast. by mid—morning. perhaps the odd rumble of

thunder associated with these . thunder associated with these. we've got spell of more we've got a spell of more persistent through persistent rain moving through northern ireland much of northern ireland into much of scotland of that scotland to the south of that showers into the showers into wales in the southwest . but in between the southwest. but in between the showers, sunshine and the southwest. but in between the sh0\comes sunshine and the southwest. but in between the sh0\comes once1ine and the southwest. but in between the sh0\comes once again1d the southwest. but in between the sh0\comes once again in the sun comes out once again in the southeast temperatures southeast with temperatures here of average of 23 celsius. average temperatures towards the north—west where it will stay windy with the of gales in windy with the risk of gales in the those winds ease the far north. those winds ease by the start wednesday with by the start of wednesday with some early morning sunshine for many. but storm agnes is winding itself up in the atlantic and that's going to bring a spell of wet and windy weather during wednesday afternoon evening wednesday afternoon and evening risk of widespread gales, especially around irish sea coasts there's the chance coasts where there's the chance of significant disruption on wednesday afternoon and evening i >> -- >> the temperatures rising , boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> hello. good evening . it's me, >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight. you know , this nation tonight. you know, this benjamin franklin once said that nothing is certain but death and taxes. but what isn't inevitable is taxing death itself. prime minister is reportedly preparing to scrap this unfair and economically harmful inheritance tax. the most unpopular tax in britain. he has my full support and i'll be explaining why it harms britain's economy , as gb harms britain's economy, as gb news spent today uncovering the migration chaos at the italian island of lampedusa. we will be asking if illegal migration is a mere drop in the ocean when compared to 600,000 legal immigrants that came to the uk last year. well, the prime minister has reportedly been urged tighten visa rules as urged to tighten visa rules as new figures are set to be released november. we've seen released in november. we've seen a of signs of the end of a number of signs of the end of times for the disastrous , times for the disastrous, expensive hs2 . so far, the costs expensive hs2. so far, the costs are apparently unknown, but it was only meant to be £30 billion. now it's projected to