good morning to you. it's 930 on tuesday, the 26th of september. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and emily carver. >> it is indeed now new russell brand allegations as the met has opened an investigation into historical sexual offence claims against the comedian. he denies all allegations . all allegations. >> obviously it's been an extraordinary and distressing week and i thank you very much for your support and for questioning the information that you've been presented with . you've been presented with. >> absurd and unsustainable. that's how the home secretary, suella braverman, will describe the un's asylum rules , which the un's asylum rules, which affect britain. in a speech in washington on the chairman of the labour party, anneliese dodds attacked her speech. >> i'm afraid the responsibility for all of this lies squarely with the conservative government . and the costs continue to

escalate. >> the row over hs2 continues as senior tories warn against axing the rail project. but rishi sunakis the rail project. but rishi sunak is said to be alarmed that the final bill could be over £100 billion and sick. >> note britain sick leave has soared to its highest level in more than a decade. are we getting lazy or are we just prioritising our own health? more than ever before? know the answer to that . answer to that. >> it's interesting. it's interesting , isn't it, andrew, interesting, isn't it, andrew, that in the public sector it's almost double the rate it is. >> it is because in the private sector people have to work very hard because you don't get well. >> that you just lose >> it's more that you just lose your job, wouldn't you? you would would. anyway. would you would. well, anyway. >> course covid, i think, >> and of course covid, i think, has it far worse. has made it far worse. >> we'll get we'll get >> indeed. we'll get we'll get the that later. the reasons behind that later. we us we will. email us gbviews@gbnews.com. if you want to in let us know to get in touch, let us know what you think about all those topics and more. but first, let's with . aaron

let's get the news with. aaron >> good morning to you. at 932 here in the gp newsroom. i'm aaron armstrong. russell brand has asked his followers for financial support and says the government is bypassing the judicial process to censor him. his address on the rumble platform last night comes after the met police opened an investigation on into multiple allegations of sexual offences made by a number women on made by a number of women on brand encouraged his fans to sign up to a £48 subscription opfion sign up to a £48 subscription option after youtube suspended his earnings for violating their policies last week. he's accused legacy media and government and big tech of supporting a state agendain big tech of supporting a state agenda in a global war to silence independent voices . all silence independent voices. all his words. he denies any wrongdoing . customers will wrongdoing. customers will receive £114 million off their water bills next year because providers are falling short of set standards. the regulator, ofwat, says most companies are

failing to make key targets on reducing pollution leakage and supply interruptions, while customer satisfaction continues to fall at thames, water will have to return the most more than £101 million, followed by southern water , which must pay southern water, which must pay 43 million at thames water serves 15 million people, while southern water serves around . southern water serves around. 4.6 workers in the uk are taking more sick days than at any time in the last decade. new research from the chartered institute for professional development shows staff took on average 7.86 days in the past year , up from 5.8 in the past year, up from 5.8 before the pandemic. it's blaming stress, covid and the cost of living crisis, the biggest cause for long term absences is poor mental health. and the president of south korea has accepted an invitation received from king charles and will pay a state visit to the uk later this year. the king and queen camilla will host yoon suk yeol and his wife kim kyung hee at buckingham palace in

november. it will be the second incoming state visit of the king's reign following south africa's president cyril ramaphosa. stay last year. more on all of our stories on our website. as always, that's gbnews.com. now over to andrew and . emily and. emily >> delighted to be with emily again. emily big day today. the home secretary in washington, she's there already staying at the ambassador's residence. i suspect this speech must have been signed off by downing street. effectively saying street. she's effectively saying the refugees crossing the channel are not refugees. >> yeah, it's interesting . we >> yeah, it's interesting. we know she's going to say know what she's going to say before she said it. i think it's 330 actually due to 330 that she's actually due to speak. 330 that she's actually due to speak . thinks the speak. she thinks yeah the refugee convention is not fit for purpose was dates back to 1951. different world 1951. a very different world before people were so mobile, essentially. >> yeah . and point she's going >> yeah. and point she's going to make is that people who come across the channel, they're

coming from a safe country. it's called france and it is a safe country. of the country. it's part of the european union, which people who still the remain would still support the remain would say it's a very safe part of the world. and some of them have come italy and other come through italy and other safe parts of and they safe parts of europe. and they come view, and my come here, in her view, and my view because we're a soft touch. >> w says she i think >> well, she says she i think she's to use the term shop she's going to use the term shop around. she says that the refugee convention and other rules allow people to essentially pick and choose . essentially pick and choose. yeah, shop around, find the country you like the most, and then move there. i mean, a lot of people are going to say, this is terrible. she's also said that gay and being a woman that being gay and being a woman and fear of persecution, discrimination enough. discrimination isn't enough. shouldn't alone be shouldn't be enough alone to be granted asylum . q lots of granted asylum. q lots of charities , ngos piping up charities, ngos piping up already to say, you know, this is not good. the refugee convention withstood the test of time. et cetera. et cetera. >> because i have that very sceptical that lots of people suddenly become gay when they want to get asylum in britain because there's an awful lot of

those young crossing the those young men crossing the channel. i'm gay, right? so then you say her point is that you can say her point is that the convention, which signed the old convention, which signed in 1951, was about stopping persecution. now people claim asylum because of a perception they may be discriminated against. that's entirely different . different. >> yeah, entirely different. and she says, you know, well—founded fear of persecution has moved to, you know, a little bit of a fear. >> exactly. now, the other big story today, of course, is the metropolitan police have said they've received of they've received a number of non—recent allegations of sexual offences against the comedian russell yes brand russell brand. yes brand continues to deny these allegations , but the has allegations, but the met has encouraged believes encouraged anyone who believes they may have been a victim of a sexual offence matter how sexual offence no matter how long it was to come forward long ago it was to come forward to them. long ago it was to come forward to tyesl. long ago it was to come forward to tyes . >> yes. >> yes. >> so going >> yes. » so >> yes. >> so going to talk now >> so we're going to talk now to the jonathan the media lawyer, jonathan cote, who jonathan who joins us now. jonathan supporters of russell brand will say is all an outrage. it's say this is all an outrage. it's trial by media, but we now know the police are looking into . the the police are looking into. the some of the complaints they've received since the investigation was published by the times, the

sunday times and channel 4. >> well, i don't think you can really blame the media for reporting allegations . that's reporting allegations. that's kind of their job. it is kind of theirjob. it is difficult. i mean, i've been on both sides of this and i have been on. i've acted for people who have been the wrong end of media allegations . but we have a media allegations. but we have a free media. we have a situation where there is a growing body of women who say they've been abused by russell brand. obviously, they're unproven . an obviously, they're unproven. an but i don't think russell brand, who himself is pretty outspoken and is quite happy to throw brickbats left, right and centre, can really blame the media for reporting allegations against him before on this program . program. >> um, the police will argue and it's been the case for many years that if names are disclosed early in in investigation perhaps in a rape investigation perhaps in a rape investigation or a sexual assault investigation, other potential victims come forward.

and they say that assists their investigation, that you can point to what's happened with this investigation in a number of a number of people have since come forward, since the sunday times, the times and channel 4 published their allegations against and, well, you've against brand and, well, you've mixed two points there, if you'll forgive me. >> you the issue of names. yeah. and reports. now it's very, very important and i don't want to be critical of it's very, very important for those women who may have been victims of russell brand to be able to report their allegations, either via the media or via the via the or to the police without being named because i have acted for victims of sexual abuse . in fact, i have of sexual abuse. in fact, i have a high profile lady client who says, and i quote, sure, she she has been she was the subject of an attempted rape by by russell brand. so it it is essential that there anonymity be

protected if that's their preference. but but we've we've now reached i think, a tipping point where the evidence is so overwhelming. and i think the other striking thing is that russell brand does not seem to have engaged the usual suspects that media lawyers, which possibly include me to be firing, we're going to see we're going to sue left, right and centre. so it's interesting. he's just restricted himself to putting out these slightly irrational pleas via rather than supposedly taking the opportunity to protect his legal rights as he might see it. >> so you don't think he's lawyered up then? >> well , it's lawyered up then? >> well, it's i'm i'm puzzled by this. i mean, if he was lawyered up, i suspect you would have heard from him by now. you have heard from him by now. you have heard from him by now. you have heard from his lawyer and so would have channel 4 and so would have channel 4 and so would have channel 4 and so would have dispatches . i mean, would have dispatches. i mean, normally would a normally there would be a report. so if so, with my capacity as a reputation management lawyer, if i write to

off an organisation or or publisher or newspaper publisher or a broadcaster , then you will or a broadcaster, then you will say you will carry a report. russell brand's lawyer said this or lawyer said that there'll be none of that. and i've been watching it really carefully, so he looks as though he's he's not lawyered up. you know, you can draw whatever conclusions you like from that . like from that. >> the talking to the people of rumble. >> he is and other platforms thank you very much indeed media lawyer there jonathan code excellent very interesting indeed. >> always, always. >> always, always. >> now somebody in the studio with us, he's with every with us, he's with us every week. is pierce potter. now, you've advised some very interesting characters in your time , some terribly time, some people not terribly popular . pierce potter i'm popular. pierce potter i'm thinking perhaps prince andrew, not the most popular figure in the days. if the royal family these days. if you chalice , if you had the poison chalice, if i could call it that, of advice , could call it that, of advice, russell brand, i wouldn't think he's easy to advise because he goes off on a tangent so much, not imputing any sense that he's guilty because innocent until

proven guilty. how would you begin to advise him? >> i don't think you can because first of all, he he denied the allegations before they were made. he actually came out fighting beforehand. he's also an extremely dangerous person in my view. he fits the profile of many famous cult leaders almost to a t, it's quite chilling. people like charles manson or jemmy jones, david koresh, he is a almost pathological narcissist who does these rants and raves on rumble, which he expects people to pay for, which is incredible . and it's all incredible. and it's all conspiracy theory nonsense. and that's what happened originally with charles manson . this is the with charles manson. this is the kind of stuff he was spouting, which is terrifying. and i mean, some people have called russell brand a hero. i mean , he's not brand a hero. i mean, he's not my hero. i'll tell you who mine was was david mccallum , who was was david mccallum, who played illya kuryakin in the man from uncle, who sadly died last

night. >> he died. he did a wonderful gentleman and a true scot. yeah. >> but do you think, though, because as russell brand has made a thing of the fact that caroline dinnage got involved by writing these letters to rumble and chairman of the select committee , chairman of the committee, chairman of the select committee, digital culture sport , that's culture media and sport, that's that plays into his hands , that plays into his hands, though, doesn't it? >> well, he said it's the government writing politicians. but but, you know, he said the government is writing. it's not the right, an the government. you're right, an mp who's perfectly entitled to do that if he's interested in freedom speech, that's freedom of speech, that's freedom of speech, that's freedom of speech, that's freedom of speech. yeah. i mean, he's he's confusing. typically and deliberately. the questions of free speech and all this mad conspiracy theory stuff with something total, conspiracy theory stuff with something total , utterly something total, utterly separate, which is the most disgrace, awful if it's true. and disgust thing behaviour and some of it we already know is true . for example, the true. for example, the disgraceful andrew sachs call and various other things that have been that are not being contested by him and you know ,

contested by him and you know, he is not someone i would ever represent. i can't think of any bodyin represent. i can't think of any body in public relations in this country who would actually stand up and try and defend him. >> how interesting, because you think you have worked with some very characters in very interesting characters in your very interesting characters in youi believe that most people >> i believe that most people deserve advocate, but deserve an advocate, yes. but i will a very exception will make a very big exception in the case of russell brand. how fascinating . how fascinating. >> and the bbc, we know in the last down last few days have taken down some content they've put some of the content they've put up because they said falls up because they said it falls below standards, expected some of stuff was put up as of this stuff was put up as recently as 27, 2018. yeah. how did how is it fallen below standards now ? it was if it was standards now? it was if it was if it was above standard only five years ago, you would have thought they'd have learnt a lesson by then. >> the trouble is, some of the same people there. don't same people are there. don't forget, the head forget, tim davie was the head of audio and radio when most of the dreads pull stuff on radio two with of course, jonathan ross as well. took place and you know, it's i don't think the

issue at the moment is really blaming the broadcasters. it's much more down to this individual who is of exceptionally dangerous person who i hope most sensible people would have nothing to do with. >> we must say he denies all the all the allegations, the criminal allegations . suella criminal allegations. suella braverman suella braverman . yes. braverman suella braverman. yes. >> what would you say if you were advising her? she's doing pretty good, isn't she? >> terrific. >> i think it's terrific. >> i think it's terrific. >> i think is what's >> i think this is what's needed. yeah i think it's also >> i think this is what's ne

seekers. human rights lawyers, endless charities , various human endless charities, various human rights groups all over the world and they will, of course not like what suella is saying, but it requires a global solution now. and when some of our asylum seekers don't just come from france, they go through many safe, perfectly good democratic countries . and yet they come countries. and yet they come here because they know they're going to get an easier time and the best possible benefits package around this is going to be you may like what you're heanng be you may like what you're hearing from suella, but this is going to cause a problems, is it not? >> there's going to be well, the un , hcr isn't going to be very un, hcr isn't going to be very happy. that's un, hcr isn't going to be very happy . that's the agency that happy. that's the agency that governs all this refugee convention. they were furious about policy . they about the rwanda policy. they were the illegal were furious about the illegal immigration act. >> you know, she must be doing a good she's upsetting them. absolutely. and i mean, as >> absolutely. and i mean, as you said, it was originally this law or this convention was set up in 1951, mostly after the

terrible persecution of the jews in the war. yeah and now we're 70 years later. things have changed and we need to adapt it and be sensible about it. i think it's always important to bearin think it's always important to bear in mind those asylum seekers who are really just have a just cause and one has to be sympathetic and compassion unit britain is a great compassionate country, which is one reason why they all try and come here because they know they're going to compassion than they to get more compassion than they would anywhere else in would almost anywhere else in the at the same time, the world. but at the same time, let's be realistic. we're a small island. it's putting huge pressure on our service . his pressure on our service. his pubuc pressure on our service. his public services everywhere . we public services everywhere. we can't keep it up at. >> i think it's i think it's not fair, though, for the government to talk tough. have suella braverman talking tough on the international stage and then for nothing well, that's nothing to be done. well, that's because it just is not fair. >> is this is can she do this, piers, or is this about positioning herself if the tories lose the election in a leadership contest? >> i mean, is she firing the

slight hint of that? but i have to say, think obviously rishi to say, i think obviously rishi would on this. would have signed off on this. yes, must have. and tonight would have signed off on this. yea must have. and tonight would have signed off on this. yea verynust have. and tonight would have signed off on this. yea very pivotal/e. and tonight would have signed off on this. yea very pivotal nightd tonight would have signed off on this. yea very pivotal night for>night would have signed off on this. yea very pivotal night for the it is a very pivotal night for the conservative party because there's a strategy meeting at campaign headquarters used to be called central office. >> many hours spent outside that building. >> discuss the agree policy before the conference, i.e. what the major announcements at conference are going to be. >> but but all of this comes down to one thing unity in the party. no political party ever gets elected . if it is divided gets elected. if it is divided thatis gets elected. if it is divided that is a irrefutable fact and we must stop hearing this phrase. tory rebels so all the policies they will be discussing tonight and it's the highest level of strategic thinking within the party working on this . it will all be aimed at creating the unity that is so needed. yeah, and it's going to be a very some very difficult decisions will have to be made . decisions will have to be made. but i expect at the conference

next week where i think you might be, i think i will be we will see some really hard hitting stuff coming out of rishi and i think also there is keir starmer is looking wobbly. i agree . he keeps changing his i agree. he keeps changing his mind . he does i agree. he keeps changing his mind. he does more i agree. he keeps changing his mind . he does more u—turns than mind. he does more u—turns than anyone i've ever seen. yeah, except of course, the laughable lib dems when they're not falling out of kayaks into the sea. yes or playing crazy golf in a stupid hat. sea. yes or playing crazy golf in a stupid hat . stupid. they're in a stupid hat. stupid. they're fighting each other and changing their mind every five minutes. >> and the polls reflect this. yeah, they do. >> and because there's polls showing leaders, showing the tory leaders, i think it's labour seat has think it's the labour seat has gone by a third. think it's the labour seat has goryeah. by a third. think it's the labour seat has goryeah. by a tilooking. >> yeah. and it's looking. >> yeah. and it's looking. >> tonight is pivotal >> but tonight is pivotal because if they hold an election in may, which some people are saying, i don't think they will, calling an early election is nearly always a mistake. think nearly always a mistake. i think they time to get a lot they need time to get a lot done. they've got to persuade jeremy hunt find some way to jeremy hunt to find some way to cut taxes . they've got to stand cut taxes. they've got to stand firm on the pension . triple firm on the pension. triple lock. yeah, they've got to be

strong. on immigration. suella is already doing this again and trying . to get things done and trying. to get things done and showing up the numbers going down and build the houses. if they do all these things and we get a tax cut, starmer is not looking anything like as strong as he did last week , his lot as he did last week, his lot attacked net zero. >> what the government to do on net zero. so it's not you can keep your petrol car by any petrol car till 2035 and 2030 and gas boys he was being feted last week with emmanuel macron last week with emmanuel macron last week with emmanuel macron last week at the elysee. and what is emmanuel macron done this weekend? he's announced exactly the same policies as rishi sunak. >> yeah, well there you are. but i think the tide is turning. >> yeah, well there you are. but i think the tide is turning . but i think the tide is turning. but this tonight, the this meeting tonight, the conference next week is vital for the very survival of the conservative party because if the polls are still right , it's the polls are still right, it's still a disastrous result . but still a disastrous result. but coming up and that could, if they bring in proportion representation, which they've pledged to do, then the

conservatives would come third for the foreseeable future. yeah, it's that important. >> certainly that's been passenger always his finger on the pulse. >> he does indeed very interesting. and great to talk to you, piers. excellent as even to you, piers. excellent as ever. who are we joined by now former labour minister for europe, macshane, who's in pans? >> aren't you? denis >> aren't you? denis >> is he in paris? >> is he in paris? >> indeed . hello, andrew. hello >> indeed. hello, andrew. hello hello. i enjoyed the last conservative party spokesman . conservative party spokesman. don't really agree with him, but it was a good a good try. >> he wouldn't want you to agree with him, denis. let me tell you, piers pottinger would be horrified if you agreed with him. i'd be horrified if you agreed me. denis not agreed with me. denis i'm not horrified to agree with you. >> see what what >> well, let's see what see what you first. the fact you say first. denis on the fact that macron has just announced , that macron has just announced, well, essentially exactly the same thing as rishi sunak got slated for by the opposition, delaying some of the net zero policies. he's saying he's not going to ban gas boilers . and going to ban gas boilers. and this was after keir starmer went

and chatted to him. so what's going on there? >> simply, isn't it >> well, very simply, isn't it rather that dear old rishi sunak, as with so many other parts of realigning with europe now is on the eu platform , which now is on the eu platform, which was always to get rid of all fossil fuel cars . by 2035. it fossil fuel cars. by 2035. it was batty bonkers. boris tried to get the green vote, said, oh no, we're going to do it in five minutes. by 2030. and the european union guys said, well, what are you talking about? i mean, no european country is doing that. france is 23rd, germany is 2035. and now rishi has agreed with him on heat pumps . yeah, i agree. i mean, pumps. yeah, i agree. i mean, that that's interesting. from macron, he said, you can keep gas boilers for the time being. again, it seems to me pretty sensible. don't forget that macron was always burnt to a cinder before he was re—elected . oh, do you remember the yellow vests? the joan said he put

extra tax on petrol and diesel in order to discuss driving and, you know, most french people outside of paris , where i am outside of paris, where i am live 20, 30 miles from where they were and so they went bonkers. and he backed away. we macron is a great reader of the mood . if resistance builds up, mood. if resistance builds up, he backs away. i'm surprised it took rishi sunak so long to just adopt the common european union policy. okay, but i hear you saying that. >> so when is it going to take when is when is the labour party going to adopt the common european policy? because they slated sunak selling out slated rishi sunak selling out the young people selling out the planet. they absolutely attacked every aspect of it. so your lot labour are all over the place again, aren't they? i thought that labour, sir keir or whoever's in charge, i don't know who the shadow transport person is or was always quite unhappy about 2030. >> yeah, they had a bit of an outing last week. rightly so, because rishi has dealt a death

blow to the electric car industry . blow to the electric car industry. germany's blow to the electric car industry . germany's got over industry. germany's got over a million electric vehicles on the road . we have about 600,000. road. we have about 600,000. what's interesting is we have the lowest rate of charges for electric vehicles in europe. the netherlands, a quarter of our size has got i'm just looking at the facts here. over 114,000 charges and we've got just 48,000. so it's actually, you know, when so many transport ministers since 2016, you know , ministers since 2016, you know, all these ministers come and go , one person in charge , get the , one person in charge, get the charges onto the streets of britain and make britain the absolute leading country in europe. on moving away from fossil fuel cars. but they did nothing . nothing. >> thanks, dennis. thank you very much for your time. denis macshane there, former minister for europe. >> he's a great man. denis macshane, know we always macshane, do you know we always disagree but a disagree, but he's but he's a good sport . disagree, but he's but he's a good sport. he's a great sport. it's good see you. it's always good to see you. great look after yourself. but

he an interesting he does make an interesting point now in line point that rishi is now in line with going the with what's going on with the rest of but because rest of europe. but because that's tories are, that's where the tories are, labour because they're in opposition, you think they have to attack it? >> to attack it? » m >> yeah, they do. >> yeah, they do. >> just pure casting. >> which is just pure casting. >> which is just pure casting. >> thought dennis go >> i thought dennis might go with line. he with the labour line. no he didn't. with the didn't. they went with the europe he's, he's, europe line because he's, he's, he's obsessive about europe. he's an obsessive about europe. >> yeah. much more than the labour come . labour party. still to come. >> yes. the home secretary warning as many as 780 warning that as many as 780 million will be eligible, million people will be eligible, eligible to claim asylum without a radical reform. so this is britain's newsroom gb news. the people's . channel people's. channel >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar prime sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello . very good morning to >> hello. very good morning to you. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. further rain or showers today, but it won't be raining all day everywhere. there will be some sunshine although sunshine in between, although it will before storm will stay blustery before storm agnes arrives tomorrow to bring a widespread swathe of

disruptive winds. we start off tuesday with showers moving through southern and central england, clearing to the east. another spell of wet weather moves into northern ireland and then scotland during the morning and early afternoon. that clears to of these showers to showers some of these showers could be heavier, especially western northern western scotland and northern ireland, be some ireland, but there'll be some sunshine . and in the sunshine in between. and in the southeast warm in southeast it will feel warm in the whilst the strong the sunshine whilst the strong wind north and northwest wind in the north and northwest coastal gales possibility . coastal gales is a possibility. we will feeling on the we will keep it feeling on the cool side. then the spells of rain and showers become more confined to the north and northwest of the overnight. northwest of the uk overnight. clear elsewhere and even clear spells elsewhere and even in the northwest. those showers will generally ease by dawn . so will generally ease by dawn. so for actually, it's a for most, actually, it's a bright start to wednesday and it's relatively calm start it's a relatively calm start compared with to what's come later in the day. so plenty of early morning sunshine, a bit of a the air in the north a chill in the air in the north with temperatures the mid with temperatures in the mid single nothing out single figures, but nothing out of ordinary. the cloud of the ordinary. the cloud builds south then builds in the south and then well, by later in the morning, the first storm agnes the first sign of storm agnes with the wind picking up in the

west and spells of rain pushing into northern ireland, southwestern scotland, irish sea coastal areas, and that rain turning heavy by the end of the day. widespread said day. but the widespread said gales develop through gales that develop through western coasts could cause disruption . disruption. >> the temperatures rising , boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar

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newsroom with andrew pierce and me, carver, new russell me, emily carver, new russell brand allegations the metropolitan opened brand allegations the meinvestigation opened brand allegations the meinvestigation into opened brand allegations the meinvestigation into historicalj an investigation into historical sex against comedian. >> denies the allegations. >> it's allegations. >> obviously it's been an extraordinary distressing >> obviously it's been an extracand ary distressing >> obviously it's been an extracand iy distressing >> obviously it's been an extracand i thank distressing >> obviously it's been an extracand i thank you�*essing >> obviously it's been an extracand i thank you very|g >> obviously it's been an extracand i thank you very much week and i thank you very much for your support and for questioning that questioning the information that you've been presented with. >> unsustainable. >> absurd and unsustainable. that's secretary that's how the home secretary suella braverman describe suella braverman will describe the rules. the united nations asylum rules. later washington, the united nations asylum rules. latelabour's washington, the united nations asylum rules. latelabour's anneliese ashington, the united nations asylum rules. latelabour's anneliese doddson, disagrees. >> afraid responsibility >> afraid the responsibility for all squarely with all of this lies squarely with the conservative government. all of this lies squarely with the escalating ve government. all of this lies squarely with the escalating costs. ernment. >> escalating costs. it's continuing over as continuing that row over hst as some tories warn against axing the rishi sunak the rail project. rishi sunak is alarmed final bill be alarmed the final bill could be over we're speaking over 100 billion. we're speaking to the whole to an expert on the whole project thoughts project to give us his thoughts and project to give us his thoughts anc britain project to give us his thoughts ancbritain sick leave soared >> britain sick leave has soared to its level in more to its highest level in more than decade, on average, than a decade, on average, people almost eight than a decade, on average, peop last almost eight than a decade, on average, peop last year almost eight than a decade, on average, peop last year for.most eight than a decade, on average, peop last year for sickness. tl than a decade, on average, peop last year for sickness. are days last year for sickness. are we or are we just we getting lazy or are we just prioritising own health prioritising our own health and mental more than ever, mental health? more than ever, we're all slackers absolutely mental health? more than ever, wetheall slackers absolutely mental health? more than ever, wethe public kers absolutely mental health? more than ever, wethe public kers in)solutely in the public sector in particular. where there's particular. where else there's going people who are going to be people who are working really hard in the pubuc working really hard in the public home, know, public sector at home, you know, but are probably but there are some probably suppose large parts of suppose at home large parts of the whitehall ministries are 50% empty, more. empty, if not more. >> should be back. they >> they should be back. they should behind their

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. emily >> well, it's going to be a big speech from the home secretary, suella braverman this afternoon. she's in washington, dc. she's calling the un. refugee calling on the un. refugee convention, signed back in 1951 to be ripped up and rewritten for modern times. yes, the refugee council charity says the uk should be instead addressing the real issues in the asylum system, such as the record backlog and providing safe routes for those in need of protection rather than tearing up agreements as well. the former australian foreign minister, alexander downer , minister, alexander downer, joins us now. no stranger to this program, alexander , this program, alexander, welcome. very good to talk to you again. what do you make of the home secretary's speech? she's going to be a lonely voice, i imagine, calling for voice, i imagine, in calling for this convention to be ripped up or be rewritten because it's not going to happen unless she gets dozens of other countries to go along with it. >> well , there has been >> well, there has been discussion over the last few years about whether the refugee

convention could be tightened up i >> -- >> and i m >> and i think it will. true, it would be very difficult to get a consensus for that and to make the changes. but the problem that she alludes to is completely right, and that is that since 1951, the definition of a refugee has expanded very substantially . so anyone who substantially. so anyone who comes from a country which is at civil war is defined as a refugee . a woman from a country refugee. a woman from a country where there is systemic discrimination against women for cultural reasons , such as in in cultural reasons, such as in in iran , will automatically get iran, will automatically get refugees status, or somebody who is gay , who comes from a country is gay, who comes from a country tree where homosexuals city is illegal, gets refugee status. so if you add all of the people who could qualify , i mean, it comes could qualify, i mean, it comes to not much under a billion people in a world of what, 8

billion people. so the fact is that what was originally intended in 1951 has expanded enormously since. and so i think there will be a lot of sympathy in the european union from australia. the united states and possibly even canada for what suella braverman is saying. but whether it be possible to make those changes , it's hard to see those changes, it's hard to see it happening . it happening. >> alexander people often say to the home secretary and say to the home secretary and say to the conservative government when they want to get tough on those crossing the channel, they point to that in previous to the fact that in previous years, 70 odd% of those who have sought asylum have been given , sought asylum have been given, been granted asylum . do you been granted asylum. do you think that might be because the definition of refugee is so broad? in braverman's view ? broad? in braverman's view? >> yes, definitely. i mean , the >> yes, definitely. i mean, the reason why it's so high in the uk , it's over 70% of

uk, it's over 70% of applications are accepted in the uk in the european union , at uk in the european union, at least in the major european union countries, the figure is much lower. somewhere in the vicinity , i think of around 40 vicinity, i think of around 40 or 50. so this gets to the whole debate about definition, which is a very good debate to have of what a refugee is. now, in the case of the uk, there is a statutory definition , but there statutory definition, but there are also the decisions that have been made by the courts and a sort of a combination of the written law and judgements by by, by by courts. has led to an ever expanding definition of a refugee . i mean, a refugee is refugee. i mean, a refugee is supposed to be someone who is fleeing , an individual who is fleeing, an individual who is fleeing, an individual who is fleeing , fleeing personal fleeing, fleeing personal persecution . and secondly , it is persecution. and secondly, it is not an application , an not an application, an application for asylum and is

not an application to become a migrant. it's an application for protection. so you don't have to be in the uk for the uk government to provide protection. there are all sorts of different ways countries can provide protection , but it's provide protection, but it's turned into a very broad definition of what is a refugee and the uk accepting all these people as migrants to come and to live permanently in the uk. so the problem has just continued to multiply and it's been gained very successfully by people smugglers. >> she singled out as well. she said in her view it's not good enough just to say i'm gay, therefore i can be a refugee . therefore i can be a refugee. and if you think about our own commonwealth, much loved by the late queen alexander , at least late queen alexander, at least 20 or 30 countries in the commonwealth, it's it is still you who are criminalised. if you engagein you who are criminalised. if you engage in homosexual acts. so and that's been going on under

the noses of the british government for years and years. and we do nothing about it. so she's got a point, hasn't she, about saying why should somebody who's claim i'm entitled to who's gay claim i'm entitled to have refugee status and live in britain ? britain? >> well, of course, it's not just commonwealth countries. it's countries like pakistan, iran and so on, where being gay is a criminal offence. now, whether they actually go ahead and prosecute people in these countries is another question . countries is another question. but nevertheless , it has been but nevertheless, it has been seen as a basis for successfully claiming refugee status . but i'm claiming refugee status. but i'm not sure that we need to get into this game. but how many people live in countries where for being gay is an offence and there would be many? and then how many of those people are gay? well, you know , people can gay? well, you know, people can do the maths and you can't have all of these people migrating to the uk . so there are other ways

the uk. so there are other ways of addressing these issues and i to look , i mean these are to look, i mean these are cultural questions too. so there very deeply held views in some sorts of societies about these kinds of questions. >> alexander can i just ask how many, how big a problem do you think it is ? asylum seekers think it is? asylum seekers claim ming to be gay when they're not out or claiming to be christian and not and persecuted for religious reasons? is this a big problem? because lots of charities and ngos are saying this is massively overstated and that braverman shouldn't be picking on the lgbt community, for example ? example? >> well, i mean, the lgbt q plus community is part of the broader community. so so we're allowed to talk about them. i wouldn't have thought it would be possible to get data on this. i mean, you wouldn't know how many of the claims were sincere and how many of them were false,

because by definition, those people who have been given refugee status, their stories have been accepted . but, i mean, have been accepted. but, i mean, it's very difficult, isn't it, to for an immigration officer or a border force officer to establish whether someone's gay or not? um, yeah. i mean , you or not? um, yeah. i mean, you used to be quite easy to establish whether they were women, but that seems to be more of a subject of debate as well. >> good one. that's a good one. particularly when the interviews are being cut from 7 hours to 45 minutes. i mean, impossible to tell whether someone's claim is genuine or not. >> that's alexander . >> that's alexander. >> that's alexander. >> i mean, this is a huge issue . a huge issue. >> it really is. alexander thanks so much forjoining us. that's the former australian foreign minister, alexander downer. good to to him. >> yes. so listening to that was the labour mp for blackley and broughton stringer . thank broughton graham stringer. thank you, forjoining us. you, graham, forjoining us. what's your reaction to what suella braverman is going to say? do you not agree that

perhaps the refugee convention is not fit for purpose these days, that maybe the definition of refugee needs to be updated ? of refugee needs to be updated? ed well , it of refugee needs to be updated? ed well, it seems to be forgotten. >> is suella braverman is not the first time secretary to call for a review of the definition of refugees and a change to the 1951 convention and almost as soon as he became home secretary in 1997, jack straw said that the convention was out of date and needed looking at i mean, there are very few things that last nearly three quarters of a century. you wouldn't buy a car from the early 1950s. now, most of us get into politics because we want to change the law for the better. so i don't disagree that the convention often needs looking at it doesn't completely excuse the concern of government from administer firing the

current system in such a cackhanded way they've made a mess of it. they've not put the right resources into dealing with it. so i think there are many levels to this problem , but many levels to this problem, but certainly we should look at the 1951 convention with graham. >> good to talk to you. do you agree with the thrust of what she's going to say in that speech that when it was brought in in 51, it all about in in 51, it was all about protecting from protecting people from persecution? she's now saying that's changed and it's now about the perception of discrimination, i.e, if you are a woman, if you are a gay man or woman in certain countries , as. woman in certain countries, as. i think that's true. >> i mean , i think that's true >> i mean, i think that's true that the definition has changed as your previous interviewee said. i also think as a constituency mp, i deal with literally thousands of cases of people seeking refugee status

and i make my own judgement when i put cases forward about whether or not people deserve to be a refugee or not. and i have to say that my perception, having talked to these people for some time , is often for some time, is often different from the judgements that are made. i have had people come through my surgeries who are people traffickers. i've had people, people in the most desperate plights and it is often not the people in the most desperate plight who achieve refugee status . it is sometimes refugee status. it is sometimes people i think , with admittedly people i think, with admittedly inadequate information on people who are trying to scam the system , who get refugee status. system, who get refugee status. so there's the administration of it. there's the resources into it, there's definitions. the whole thing looks, needs looking at in great detail. great. >> and we know that the british pubuc >> and we know that the british public are deeply concerned about migration on illegal migration. and then also high levels of legal migration . on

levels of legal migration. on what policy do you think is more popular because keir starmer's been going off to europe talking about potential for asylum quotas and quid pro quo deals , quotas and quid pro quo deals, and then you've got suella braverman talking tough on the international stage and people are being given a choice. there and it does look like the conservatives at least want to reduce illegal immigration and reduce illegal immigration and reduce the burden on our system i >> -- >> at the moment there is a consulte station going out by the government to local authorities asking whether they can take any more asylum seekers and within their boundaries. my guessisi and within their boundaries. my guess is i don't know what the result of that consultation will be. most of the areas where there are currently asylum seekers will say, no, we're full in my constituency there is a housing crisis . this there are

housing crisis. this there are people who've lived here for a long time who can't find accommodation . there are people accommodation. there are people who have achieved refugee status , having been asylum seekers who are living in the most appalling conditions. so quite simply, we don't have the capacity in housing stock in many of these areas. so i hope the issue does not become an issue in the general election because my suspicion and feeling it will turn into a rather nasty affair . but it is absolutely straightforward to say we don't have the capacity at the present time , time, the law as it stands time, time, the law as it stands is out of date and it should be changed. but obviously where we can and it probably needs quotas, we should protect those people who are genuinely at risk

as we have done in afghanistan and ukraine. i don't think anybody i've come across objects to taking people from those war torn country is. but people paying torn country is. but people paying thousands and thousands of pounds to put themselves and sometimes their children at risk crossing the channel something needs to be done about that . needs to be done about that. >> graham, if i could ask you just finally , huge speculation just finally, huge speculation about will or won't happen about what will or won't happen to the whether the to hs2, the whether the government is going to delay or even cancel the london to manchester line your constituency is part of greater manchester. what's your view? what's your hope? >> i'm strongly. for to what's your hope? >> i'm strongly . for to there what's your hope? >> i'm strongly. for to there is no doubt this government has let the costs get out of hand . but the costs get out of hand. but one of the country's major problems is productivity . problems is productivity. productivity is often relate added to the infrastructure and if we don't improve our infra structure, whether it is runways at heathrow or whether it is hs2

, it is difficult to see how we're going to improve our productivity and therefore our wealth . so i'm in favour of hs2 wealth. so i'm in favour of hs2 coming to manchester and leeds and although it was not part of the current plans, i think we should be looking to take hs2 to glasgow or edinburgh as well as linking it up with hs1 in, in kent. linking it up with hs1 in, in kent . we're a long way behind kent. we're a long way behind the rest of europe and high speed rail works better. the longer it is. we need that infrastructure for. >> all right. that's graham stringer, the labour mp for blackley and broughton, thanks so much forjoining us. graham good to you. maybe i'll good to talk to you. maybe i'll see conference see him at the labour conference in manchester. see him at the labour conference in manche you will. >> maybe you will. >> maybe you will. >> this sensible stuff from graham there on the migration , graham there on the migration, very sensible. >> of course labour >> and of course the labour conference the conference is in liverpool, the week tories are imagined. week after tories are imagined. >> we're going >> i'm not sure we're going to be line all the be able to build a line all the way edinburgh, but the point way to edinburgh, but the point i made yesterday that in the i made yesterday was that in the channel it was first

channel tunnel when it was first conceived the 80s, channel tunnel when it was first conceivebroughton'se 80s, channel tunnel when it was first conceive broughton's graham graham broughton's graham stringer graham broughton's graham stringwas supposed to there >> it was supposed to be there was supposed a link from was supposed to be a link from scotland and various northern places and it never happened. yeah, the north. >> that's what they started did from or manchester down from leeds or manchester down towards birmingham. from leeds or manchester down towardswouldn'tham. from leeds or manchester down towardswouldn'than having this >> we wouldn't be having this debate, be having this. >> we're going to with >> we're going to stick with this after weather actually, this after the weather actually, because is heating up. because the row is heating up. ministers warned final because the row is heating up. min could warned final because the row is heating up. min could be warned final because the row is heating up. min could be over'ned final because the row is heating up. min could be over £100 final because the row is heating up. min could be over £100 billion. bill could be over £100 billion. but course, george osborne but of course, george osborne and the like are all like, we've got ploughing got to continue ploughing the money us know money in anyway. let us know what you think with gb news, britain's news . what you think with gb news, britain's news. channel what you think with gb news, britain's news . channel that britain's news. channel that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you . it's aidan mcgivern here you. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office for the rain or showers today, but it won't be raining all day everywhere. there in there will be some sunshine in between, although will stay between, although it will stay blustery before storm agnes arrives tomorrow to bring a widespread swathe of disruptive

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sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news 1027 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and emily carver. >> we're going to talking about hs2. to lord hs2. we're going to talk to lord berkeley, conducted review hs2. we're going to talk to lord bertheey, conducted review hs2. we're going to talk to lord berthe governmentucted review hs2. we're going to talk to lord berthe government intoi review hs2. we're going to talk to lord berthe government into the eview for the government into the effectively the efficacy of the high speed rail link. and he joins us now. berkeley, you joins us now. lord berkeley, you said years ago because said some years ago because i remember writing your remember writing about your review, was the costs were review, it was the costs were spiralling out of control . and i spiralling out of control. and i think back what was it, 2019, 20, 20. you had you were pretty pessimist about the outcome. has it got and now presumably your view is even more pessimistic ? view is even more pessimistic? >> well, this is a sadly that's the case. it has spiralled out of control. it's probably about 180 billion now. but the my real worry is that i go back to what graham stringer said just in your previous interview and emily's comment. your previous interview and emily's comment . graham knows emily's comment. graham knows manchester well . he knows manchester well. he knows transport very well . and he made transport very well. and he made the statement that we need to

improve our infrastructure . for improve our infrastructure. for now, my argument is that the worst infrastructure in the country is probably between liverpool , manchester and leeds liverpool, manchester and leeds and also birmingham to nottingham and places like that . and the government . john . and the government. john armitt and the national infrastructure commission report suggested that needed 50 billion to sort that out and get a network in these areas, which is as good as you get around london electrified, reliable and everything else. and the problem now is that the government has stopped all expense pitcher on those small schemes because it's all being bled into hs2. those small schemes because it's all being bled into hs2 . and all being bled into hs2. and that's why i believe that they need, if they can't find more money when maybe they can, maybe they can't . but if they can't they can't. but if they can't find more money, they ought to cut bits of hs2 and put the money into local and regional services as well. mean more

people will actually want to use them. >> did you did i hear you correctly as well? lord buck, you said the cost could rise as high as £180 billion . high as £180 billion. >> yes, indeed. i mean , that's >> yes, indeed. i mean, that's work that michael bing and i have been doing for the last few years. that's staggering. which which we feed to the government. it's staggering . but inflation it's staggering. but inflation and the disorganisation of the whole project does mean that it's shooting through the roof. now, i we've got solutions to this . the first now, i we've got solutions to this. the first thing now, i we've got solutions to this . the first thing is to now, i we've got solutions to this. the first thing is to save 12 billion and i mean 12 billion by cutting out old comedy euston and terminating the trains at old oak common that would pay for a new line between manchester leeds via bradford and i think that's the kind of investment that needs to be made investment that needs to be made in the north and the midlands east west. and if the government can't afford both projects, the regional project, as i call

them, and hs2, then it needs to look at hs2. and i think that's what they're doing at the moment. actually >> now there are lots of claims . nice to speak to you. there's lots claims going that lots of claims going around that the lives of the the executive lives of the project have been perhaps indulging a little bit too much when it comes to contracts and being paid so much themselves, but also behaving like kids with the golden credit card. has this become a bit of a bit of a golden goose, a bit of a gravy train? lots of people have lots of vested interests to keep this going. >> well, i'm sure the construction industry is very, very keen to keep it going. and some of the people who work for it, um , but it is also supported it, um, but it is also supported by those who think that they would like to get to london a bit more quickly. i call it a vanhy bit more quickly. i call it a vanity project , but, bit more quickly. i call it a vanity project, but, um , emily, vanity project, but, um, emily, you made the point at the end of that interview that they should have started in the north. i

said that to andrew adonis about 15 years ago when he was starting it , 15 years ago when he was starting it, and his answer was, well, the business case in the north is no good . well, that north is no good. well, that says it all because the business case in the north should be good . and if they invested in the railways and they had better, better, better facilities, better, better facilities, better jobs , easier access to better jobs, easier access to schools and shopping and everything else , we should still everything else, we should still have started in the north, but now we haven't , then i think the now we haven't, then i think the most important bit is to improve the east west , as i've said, and the east west, as i've said, and also all the connections from the very large towns around the place in the north and in the midlands , so people can use the midlands, so people can use the train for more job opportunities , 90 train for more job opportunities , go to school, college and leave their cars at to . home leave their cars at to. home >> fascinating isn't it? fascinating? >> it seems to me it's become the most wasteful job creation. >> lord balfe if those figures were 180 billion are true, that's a big problem because the

government are currently saying 100 billion. yeah and 100 billion is still three times what it was supposed to be. >> absolutely right . but the >> absolutely right. but the government will say if you challenge them, they say, well, we recognise my figures, challenge them, they say, well, we they recognise my figures, challenge them, they say, well, we they refuseiise my figures, challenge them, they say, well, we they refuse to�* my figures, challenge them, they say, well, we they refuse to sity figures, challenge them, they say, well, we they refuse to sit down 'es, challenge them, they say, well, we they refuse to sit down and but they refuse to sit down and talk about them . they'd rather talk about them. they'd rather just sit with their own story and hope it goes away. >> all right , and hope it goes away. >> all right, neil barclay, we've run out of time. >> i'm afraid. these figures. >> i'm afraid. these figures. >> all right, look , always good >> all right, look, always good to talk to you. he's the former chairman freight chairman of the rail freight group with that eye—watering estimate that actually it's not group with that eye—watering estim'to that actually it's not group with that eye—watering estim'to that 1001ally it's not group with that eye—watering estim'to that 100 billion.y not going to cost 100 billion. it's supposed 32 billion. it supposed to cost 32 billion. it will billion. will cost 180 billion. >> i haven't 180 >> i haven't seen that 180 billion that's >> i haven't seen that 180 billionthat's exclusive, >> so that's an exclusive, i believe, for you. but let's get the news with . aaron the news with. aaron >> very good morning to you. it is 1033. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. the home secretary believes simply being gay or a woman isn't enough by itself to claim asylum . she will campaign claim asylum. she will campaign for a change to international refugee agreements in washington

, later claiming rules put in place 70 years are no longer place 70 years ago are no longer relevant . she'll also argue that relevant. she'll also argue that a shift in interpretation has lowered the threshold for claiming asylum. the un's1951 convention stipulates refugees should not be returned to countries where they face persecution or threats to life . persecution or threats to life. she has previously expressed her disapproval of the european convention for human rights and its impact on the government's controversial rwanda scheme . controversial rwanda scheme. russell brand has accused the government of bypassing the judicial process to censor him while also asking followers to back him financially. his address on the rumble platform last night comes after the met police opened an investigation into multiple allegations of sexual offences made against him. brand encourages fans to sign up to a £48 subscription even after youtube suspended his earnings for violating their policies last week. he's accused what he calls legacy media, the government and big tech of supporting a state agenda in a global war to silence

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>> patrick christys weekday days from three on . gb news from three on. gb news and it's 1040 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pearson, emily carr and we're going to look at what people have been saying of emails, look at what people have been sayingtweets of emails, look at what people have been sayingtweets comingnails, look at what people have been sayingtweets coming in..s, texts, tweets coming in. >> of people talking >> lots of people talking about suella speech. suella braverman speech. ray says become . i think says we should become. i think we say that when skip on we can say that when skip on from that ray we'll do john we can't put that one. >> yes. >> yes. >> no, no. john i'm watching the discussions about the refugee

convention. noticed again convention. i noticed yet again the want to the statement refugees want to come because that's the statement refugees want to come they because that's the statement refugees want to come they get because that's the statement refugees want to come they get the :ause that's the statement refugees want to come they get the :ause benefits where they get the best benefits . benefits an issue if . the benefits are an issue if the are an issue for the benefits are an issue for the benefits are an issue for the government, why haven't they changed system? changed the benefits system? >> said >> who was it that once said you can either have open borders or a welfare state? yeah, that's something to ponder. but jagmohan says the money spent on illegal economic migrants could be too. be spent on hs2 too. >> yeah, well, it could actually. >> yeah. i have to say. 8 million a day. >> i'm still reading from lord balfe lee's prediction it's going to cost £180 billion. yeah thatis going to cost £180 billion. yeah that is staggering. >> he's probably spot >> yeah. and he's probably spot on. he's been warning on. i mean, he's been warning about costs years and about the costs for years and years but . but the years and years, but. but the liberal democrats are wrapping up today up their party conference today . davie is due to give already. >> i'm so disappointed. >> i'm so disappointed. >> it's been over in a flash. he's going to give his keynote speech at davie as our deputy political editor. tom harwood has been there in bournemouth. following it all, he joins us now. had a fantastic now. tom, you had a fantastic interview. must say, with interview. i must say, with editor davie yesterday. what did you find out and what can we

expect today ? expect today? >> well, the watchword for ed davey's speech today is health, but potentially what's more interesting about his speech is what he's not talking about, particularly not talking about brexit, likely not talking about housing because yesterday there was a sensational defeat for the lib dem party leader, for the leadership of the party, the youth wing of the lib dems proposed an amendment to a housing motion yesterday that saw the lib dem leader ship overturned. mps defeated and the lib dems adopt a policy that the leadership really didn't want to adopt when it came to housing targets. now the lib dems , targets. now the lib dems, surprisingly for some, will have the highest housing target agenda out of any of the three major uk wide parties, which is quite interesting , particularly quite interesting, particularly for those who've seen the local campaigning of the liberal democrats. it'll be interesting to see how the leadership sort of juggles that, i think it of juggles that, but i think it is interesting how the lead ship

of the liberal democrats has been trying to steer the conversation away from the issue of brexit as well. we're going to hear barely a peep from ed davey on that crucial issue, that single issue that the lib dems really rallied the flag around in 2019 when he gives his speech at around 2:30 this afternoon. why is he going to be so quiet about brexit? well very clearly the activists within his party and we've heard this at fringe events throughout this conference, activists within conference, the activists within his party would really rather like to rejoin the europe union. some would like to join the euro , but of course, ed davey is going after this blue wall strategy, trying to take lots of tory seats, many brexit voting seats . so his agenda is keeping seats. so his agenda is keeping schtum on that big issue and moving on to other things . moving on to other things. talking about rivers and health care, the big pitfall of course, for ed davey there is what can be distinctive about his offer. what sets the lib dems apart

apart from any other soft left party? that's a big question that he'll have to answer . that he'll have to answer. >> tom harwood is in bournemouth and of course he'll be there live for that speech by sir ed davey. i can barely wait. i'm so excited. >> there are quite a lot of inconsistent fancies, aren't there, that are tom pointed to there. >> we're in the studio. nigel nelson, who's gb news senior political commentator, tanya political commentator, and tanya buxton . nigel, point buxton as well. nigel, the point about the housing revolt is a real problem for the lib dems because been doing very real problem for the lib dems beca ine been doing very real problem for the lib dems beca in these been doing very real problem for the lib dems beca in these by been doing very real problem for the lib dems beca in these by elections g very real problem for the lib dems beca in these by elections by'ery well in these by elections by saying to going pace, saying we're not to going pace, you know, concrete over the green in the surrey green belt in the surrey constituency . and they've constituency. and now they've got the largest housing target, 380,000. that's going to cause a big problem for them campaigning, and that's election. >> it is . and it was actually >> it is. and it was actually extraordinary that they do overturn the leadership on that . it's something the lib dems do in a sense that they are the last democratic party left because the membership do actually get a vote on stuff when they're in government. it was much more it was quite

interesting because the party activists would pass a motion and a lib dem minister would get up onto the podium and say, well, we're not doing that now. of course, it's very different when you're not in government. they bound by by they are. they are bound by by by those things. i mean, i think that whether any of that happens will depend on the outcome of the next election and whether or not the lib dems do end up back in coalition, but this time with the labour party makes made absolutely clear it won't be with the tories. yes, that's right. and i don't i don't see they can do that. i mean this was something that it it's reverse if you like, of what nick did. clegg could nick clegg did. nick clegg could not go into coalition with gordon brown . the two of them gordon brown. the two of them just could not get on this time round. i think that a more moderate labour party that means that the lib dems could do a coalition should they want to. i mean, at the moment the polls are still showing keir starmer has got a 150 seat overall

majority . it doesn't need a majority. it doesn't need a coalition, but you never know. >> tony. we've got a big speech today from the home secretary. >> yes, we do. >> and really she's >> and i'm really glad she's making speech because it's making this speech because it's about has got to about time. this has got to stop. this whole 1951, you un agreement that was done was a different world. it was a different world. it was a different world. it was a different world. not to say that everything that's been done before is no good, but this particular thing, we live in a different we have different world now and we have to change things. we can't have these open borders. a story came to me recently actually about a florist who was working with one of the hotels that has just been made into a place that's taking all the refugees . and she used all the refugees. and she used to be the person that did all the weddings there because they'd weddings every they'd be weddings there every sunday, which are no longer happening. is out of happening. so she is now out of business. yes. yeah. so it's not just in just not putting people in hotels, stealing them up, it's actually british actually putting british people out business. all the little out of business. all the little restaurants, all the little cafes be feeder cafes that used to be feeder chains hotel, are chains for that hotel, all are now going of business. now all going out of business. yes. not just housing yes. so it's not just housing people. it's what it's doing to the people around them. we can't

continue like this. we have to start putting british people first. >> completely agree . >> i completely agree. >> i completely agree. >> but it's crazy, isn't it, though? because will so though? because she will get so much pushback. yes. just for even suggesting that perhaps the term refugee is with nigel nelson. will start with nigel nelson. it will start with nigel nelson. it will start with nigel nelson. go on, nigel. >> do of pushback on >> i'll do a bit of pushback on this. yeah, she of this. yeah, i mean, she sort of comes with this figure that comes out with this figure that that is facing 750 that the world is facing 750 million possible migrant s at the moment. you've got 100 million on the move . but she, million on the move. but she, she wants to quite rightly, she wants to say wants to make immigration a global problem, which it is . where she's wrong which it is. where she's wrong is thinking you could change the un refugee convention for her convenience . so for instance, convenience. so for instance, that would allow us to send migrants to rwanda where it would allow to us detain, detain and deport them if they come over on small boats that although that that law has been passed in britain, it's not been tested internationally. yeah.

and i think you'll find that the echr will turn around and say , echr will turn around and say, well no, that is just that is. but that's what illegal. >> but nigel, that's what she's trying to change. she's she's she wants , you know the global she wants, you know the global community other nations to actually think this these international rules and regulations and that likely includes echr likely includes , includes echr likely includes, of course, the un. they need to change. they need to be updated because you can't have a situation where people can claim asylum on all sorts of different grounds that perhaps aren't aren't, you know, aren't , aren't aren't, you know, aren't, aren't right, aren't correct anymore . right, aren't correct anymore. >> we've travelled through lots of safe countries. >> we certainly have. >> we certainly have. >> that's main thing, >> and that's the main thing, isn't it, that these people aren't, know, fleeing war aren't, you know, fleeing war torn they're torn countries. they're fleeing france. they've been france. and often they've been through of countries. through lots of safe countries. italy, it's just and i'm fed up of called a racist. and of being called a racist. and because parents were because my parents were immigrants well. immigrants over here as well. but the point is, is that these people , we just can't open the people, we just can't open the doors to everyone that wants to come and work in britain.

everyone to come live everyone wants to come and live in britain. it's not realistic. of must take people of course. we must take people who actually being savaged who are actually being savaged by are in dangerous by war and are in dangerous situations. but it doesn't make a difference whether you're a woman or whether you're gay. these things you can stop in lots of other countries before you britain. lots of other countries before you but britain. lots of other countries before you but the britain. lots of other countries before you but the trouble with that is >> but the trouble with that is that turn around and say, that if you turn around and say, right, you right, the first country you land in, that's where you claim asylum and that's it, that that really doesn't take the reality in because first of all, you'd end with frontline countries end up with frontline countries being overwhelmed completely. europe at the moment is working on a scheme whereby y you would share asylum seekers out more fairly across the member states. >> the one keir starmer wants to sign up to it. >> well, no, keir starmer doesn't want to up to that. doesn't want to sign up to that. he no, didn't he would. no, no, he didn't say that. >> e- e burden sharing . he >> favour of burden sharing. he rolled back and then he rolled back. >> ell- g was that we >> what he said was that we would try and do an agreement with returns that with europe for returns that doesn't mean we end up with 100,000, he said. quid pro quo. >> yes. >> yes. and

>> yes. and burden >> yes. and burden sharing >> yes. and burden sharing all those things. >> but it doesn't mean a european quota were not in the eu. >> no. what happened was he suggested it and then european officials said absolutely not. >> he's delusional. and they completely dismissed the idea. he a lot of heat from he then got a lot of heat from you know, commentators, the media, from everyone else. and then he rolled back, come on. he did. >> well, rishi sunak tried the same thing. and you're absolutely right that the that the knock rishi sunak the eu knocked knock rishi sunak back when he he went over to back when he was he went over to go about as go and talk about returns as well. well, question is well. well, the question is whether a deal can be done and if a deal can be done, it has to actually work for both sides. that's what deals are. but i think this speech be of think this speech will be one of the popular, by the most popular, made by a cabinet minister in years. >> i think so. >> i think so. >> and the kind european >> and the kind of european court rights needs to court of human rights needs to be is be disbanded. the reality is it's big money making machine it's a big money making machine that's lots of money that's making lots of money about people wanting to come into britain and a lot of these human rights that they're defending are just not real. they're who pays for defending are just not real. they' we who pays for defending are just not real. they' we pay who pays for defending are just not real. they' we pay thato pays for defending are just not real. they' we pay that every; for defending are just not real. they' we pay that every time that? we pay for that every time . it's the british public that

are suffering every single time. we to get firm and we need we have to get firm and we need suella really firm. and suella to get really firm. and we need the british public to get hen we need the british public to get her. you know, we get behind her. you know, we need that her views are need to know that her views are popular. the popular. instead, we've got the media she's not media expressing that she's not popular we know people that popular when we know people that know the in know people on the ground in britain , her views are popular. britain, her views are popular. >> but it's echr makes us will make us a pariah state that suddenly walk away from an international legal framework . international legal framework. like just because it doesn't suit us, puts us on a par with russia and belarus. >> we could do that, or we could trust the supreme court in britain. >> i do faith that the supreme court can handle those court can handle all those issues we don't need issues itself. we don't need european judges. >> well, why obe member >> well, then why obe a member of nations? are of the united nations? why are a member these are member of nato? these are international organisations which pull way over which are going to pull way over our well, i mean , ourjudiciary. well, i mean, when it comes down, to down migration, in fact, they do. i mean, in a sense that united mean, in a sense that the united nafions mean, in a sense that the united nations high commissioner for refugees interferes quite a lot in that . i don't understand the in that. i don't understand the idea that we've got to pull out of our obligations

internationally because we have a problem at home suit us, the british people. >> we have to do what suits us. >> we have to do what suits us. >> load of echr judgements don't suit suit different countries and sometimes they other nations ignore those judgements . ignore those judgements. >> so we could just we could just do that. but i think we were talking to graham stringer, labour mp, very sensible labour mp the sounds of things. yeah labour mp, very sensible labour mp he'se sounds of things. yeah labour mp, very sensible labour mp he'se sou beenf things. yeah labour mp, very sensible labour mp he'se sou been in1ings. yeah labour mp, very sensible labour mp he'se sou been in the s. yeah and he's been been in the business for a long time and he understands the strain on local communities. he's listening to his constituents, he's got a housing crisis in his local authorities, can't cope and this is why i find it so difficult because it's very easy to stand there be luvvie and say, there and be a luvvie and say, oh, the borders. everyone oh, open the borders. everyone deserves life . deserves a better life. >> britain. >> come to britain. >> come to britain. >> are saying that. and >> people are saying that. and then then when you well, then and then when you well, actually, they're actually, sometimes they're disingenuous they disingenuous because they never put how many put a number on how many they would to have. i'm would be willing to have. i'm not saying the labour and not saying that the labour and analyst at the labour party chairman done the chairman today, she's done the broadcast today. broadcast round today. >> said too many >> she never once said too many people are crossing the channel. she because she never once said it because she it. she she doesn't believe it. she

doesn't think there's a problem with 20,000 people. is it more crossing channel that's crossing the channel that's extrapolating more. extrapolating a bit more. >> of course, there's a problem with the channel with people crossing the channel however, problem however, our migrant problem is a less than the one a great deal less than the one that's going in france, the that's going on in france, the one in germany and one that's going in germany and the one that's going in spain the one that's going on in spain to 2 or 3 the to this country 2 or 3 times the size of britain, well, size of britain, france. well, it but they've it might be, but they've got a lot more still. well, i don't even room thing works even show the room thing works because is the tory argument about keir taking people about keir starmer taking people in do with the fact that in is to do with the fact that of size . of population size. >> it doesn't matter about the size of the country. it's the fact that we have housing fact that we have a housing crisis. you've no room, crisis. you've got no room, so there's room terms there's no room in terms of there's no room in terms of there enough there aren't enough, not enough homes course, schools. homes then of course, schools. it's , it's medical hospitals. >> these are arguments other countries to are countries are using to are facing the whole of europe is failing to cope with this. >> just to the >> it's just going to drag the whole of down. if they whole of europe down. if they don't out. don't sort it out. >> nigel well, it's to >> nigel well, it's going to drag down bit. it's drag the world down a bit. it's not what support are they getting european union? not what support are they get germany european union? not what support are they get germany said, uropean union? not what support are they get germany said, or pean union? not what support are they get germany said, or pelleast ion? >> germany said, or at least they couple of weeks ago, they did a couple of weeks ago, said, no, no thank you enough. >> can you imagine what's

happening cultures >> can you imagine what's hajwell?|g cultures >> can you imagine what's hajwell?|g all cultures >> can you imagine what's hajwell?|g all very cultures >> can you imagine what's hajwell?|g all very well:ultures as well? it's all very well saying that in saying this, but that italian in italy, people italy, it's 7000 people have suddenly upon suddenly descended upon them. how cope ? how can their how can they cope? how can their culture how deal culture cope? how can they deal with that? culture cope? how can they deal witiwell,? culture cope? how can they deal witiwell, that's wrong. >> well, that's wrong. >> well, that's wrong. >> like nigel will >> people like nigel will criticise him, but they're being overwhelmed. overwhelmed is the word. good debate. there word. well, good debate. there are parts of kent, indeed my own county. >> right. >> right. >> that's. >> that's. >> that's. >> that's it. that's it for now. we are going to be back in just one moment with . gb news. one moment with. gb news. >> the temperature's rising in boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. further rain or showers today , but it rain or showers today, but it won't be raining all day. everywhere there will some everywhere there will be some sunshine although it sunshine in between, although it will before storm will stay blustery before storm agnes arrives tomorrow to bring a widespread swathe of disruptive winds. we start off tuesday with showers moving through southern and central

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tuesday the 26th of september. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and emily carver. >> it is so new. russell brand allegations the met has opened an investigation into historical sexual claims against sexual offence claims against the comedian. he denies all allegations. >> obviously it's been an extraordinary and distressing week and i thank you very much for your support and for questioning the information that you've been presented with. absurd and unsustainable. >> that's how the home secretary suella braverman describes the united nations asylum rules. she's to going be saying that in a speech in washington later. labour's anneliese dodds . she's labour's anneliese dodds. she's the party chairman. she disagrees . disagrees. >> she's afraid the responsibility for all of this lies squarely with the conservative government . conservative government. >> rishi's reset on smoking. the government are reportedly considering a new zealand style smoking ban, making it illegal for young people to buy cigarettes. a yougov poll says 71% of people in the uk would support this .

support this. now we all know smoking is a killer , but it is funny how we killer, but it is funny how we all like to ban things we don't do. >> i know and i don't like. i'm not a great banner. but also if you start banning, when are you going banning booze or burgers? >> yeah, all of that fatty, unhealthy food. >> obesity kills more people. now. cigarette smoking. >> yeah, that's probably true . >> yeah, that's probably true. let us know what you think. gb views at gbnews.com is the email address. you can also get us on social media at gb news. but first, let's get the news with . aaron >> very good morning to you. it's a minute past one. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom . being gay or a woman isn't enough by itself to qualify for asylum. that's the view of the home secretary who will question whether international refugee rules are fit for purpose when she gives a speech later in

washington, she'll ask if the un's 1951 convention washington, she'll ask if the un's1951 convention is washington, she'll ask if the un's 1951 convention is relevant un's1951 convention is relevant to the modern modern age, arguing the tests for how refugees are defined have changed. the address is part of her plan to tackle the refugee crisis. but the shadow cabinet minister, anneliese dodds , says minister, anneliese dodds, says the conservatives are to blame for the influx of small boats. >> international conventions are not the reason why the conservative government is failing , in particular to take failing, in particular to take action against the international people smuggling gangs. they're not the reason why the conservative government has such chaos in the asylum system. they're not the reason why british taxpayers are paying . £8 british taxpayers are paying. £8 million a day on accommodation . million a day on accommodation. and i'm afraid the response ability for all of this lies squarely with the conservative government . government. >> meanwhile, russell brand has asked his followers for financial support and says the government is bypass using the judicial process to censor him.

he made an address on the rumble platform last night. it comes after the met police opened an investigation into multiple allegations of sexual offences by a number of women. brand encouraged his fans to sign up to a £48 subscription after youtube suspended his earnings for violating their policies last week. he's accused what he has described as legacy media government and big tech of supporting a state agenda the two wage a global war to silence independent voices . and russell independent voices. and russell brand denies any wrongdoing . brand denies any wrongdoing. armed police will be given legal protection to carry out their dufies. protection to carry out their duties . the policing minister, duties. the policing minister, chris philip, says it's in the pubuc chris philip, says it's in the public interest for officers to be able to act without fear of prosecution. a significant number of london's counter—terrorism police stepped back after a colleague was charged with murdering chris kabain charged with murdering chris kaba in south london last year. the army has been stood down from supporting the met after enough firearms officers

returned to duty yesterday. we will make sure through this review that the police are able to do their job protecting the public, looking after each and every one of us, without doubt being at risk of unreasonable legal jeopardy. >> now, of course, there needs to processed make sure to be processed to make sure that the police conduct themselves a way that is themselves in a way that is proper, but that can't lead to unreasonable investigations and it can't lead to investigations that hang over officers for years and years. it's not in the pubuc years and years. it's not in the public interest that that happens because need the happens because we need the police be out there police to be out there proactively protecting the public. >> water companies will have to return £114 million to customers after falling short of set standards. the regulator, ofwat, says most companies are failing to make key targets on reducing pollution, on leakage and supply interruptions . customer interruptions. customer satisfaction is also down at thames. water will be the hardest hit. they'll have to return £101 million, followed by southern water, which must pay

43 million at thames water is the largest supplier in the uk, with 15 million customers. workers in the uk are taking more sick days now than at any time in the last decade . new time in the last decade. new research from the chartered institute for professional development shows staff took on average 7.8 sick days in the past year . that's up from 5.8 past year. that's up from 5.8 before the pandemic . covid before the pandemic. covid stress and the cost of living have been blamed for the absences is the biggest cause is poor mental health. vehicle scams have soared by 74, costing victims almost £1,000 on average. potential buyers are being duped by fake posts on social media or online marketplaces , advertising marketplaces, advertising vehicles that don't exist . vehicles that don't exist. they'll often be encouraged to pay a they'll often be encouraged to pay a deposit or even the full amount up front pay a deposit or even the full amount upfront, despite not amount up front, despite not seeing the car in person, people aged between 25 and 34 are the most likely to be stung. the findings were based on analysis of scams reported by lloyds

banking group between january and june of this year, the president of south korea has accepted an invitation from king charles, and he will pay a state visit to the uk later this year . the king and queen camilla will host yoon suk yul and his wife, kim keun hee, at buckingham palace in november. it will be the second incoming state visit of the king's reign following the south african president, cyril ramaphosa's stay last year . well, this is gb stay last year. well, this is gb news across the uk on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker too. and now it is back to andrew and . emily to andrew and. emily >> well, the metropolitan police has launched an investigation after a number of allegations have been reported against the comedian russell brand . these comedian russell brand. these are, of course, allegations he strongly denies. >> yes, he spoke out for the first time yesterday on rumble,

twitter and youtube, explaining the since the claims has the week since the claims has been. says the claims have been. he says the claims have been extraordinary and distressing . long shall we speak distressing. long shall we speak to showbiz journalist rebecca twomey to get her analysis of what's going on? what do you think to all this, the fact that russell brand is addressing the allegation as well, not addressing the allegations , but addressing the allegations, but trying to ramp up support, it seems , via rumble, via twitter seems, via rumble, via twitter or via youtube, even though he has been monetised . has been monetised. >> yeah, what's really interesting this is that russell brand hasn't followed the normal trajectory when these horrific accusations are usually made against him in the public eye. yes, he's issued a denial. but what's happened is that in a way, he's sort of twisting the narrative it to narrative to how he wants it to be out. at the moment, be played out. at the moment, because he very, very big because he had a very, very big following youtube, million following on youtube, 28 million people. moment people. he's at the moment not allowed make money from allowed to make any money from youtube this youtube because of this situation. now situation. so he's now encouraging to go encouraging his followers to go onto a different platform and to rumble him. instead of rumble to him. so instead of stepping back you being stepping back, you know, being silent, letting you the

silent, letting you know, the police continue their investigation and russell brand is sort of being quite a kind of unique situation where he's continuing to broadcast and say what he wants to say, which some it's conspiracy theories sometimes he's got a very big following about going sort of, you know, anti—establishment and that's what's very unusual in this situation, because russell brand has already been dropped by his agents . brand has already been dropped by his agents. his brand has already been dropped by his agents . his comedy tour by his agents. his comedy tour has been cancelled , slash has been cancelled, slash postponed. we'll see what happens with so it's very, happens with that. so it's very, very unique that he is not going to be silenced . and he's he's to be silenced. and he's he's out there sort you know, out there sort of, you know, continuing to broadcast in the way wants to. way he wants to. >> still got the is >> has he still got the same is he losing numbers? is he he losing any numbers? is he gaining rebecca? gaining numbers, rebecca? is there notable in there any% notable change in support one way or the support for him one way or the other ? other? >> that's really interesting , >> that's really interesting, this situation because he spent a long time cultivating this particular audience who very much agree with his narrative and what he's arguing . there and what he's arguing. there seemed to be an awful lot of support because he has quite , as

support because he has quite, as we say, a tribe, we call it, who who believe in a lot of what he says and believe that he is, you know, innocent this know, innocent in this situation. i mean, that's situation. but i mean, that's for courts, know, and for the courts, you know, and the law to decide. but yes, he's following are still much following are still very much think, trying think, you know, they're trying to to to silence him, trying to silence of speech. and silence freedom of speech. and i think quite think this is what's quite concerning moment, think this is what's quite concerni at moment, think this is what's quite concerni at the moment, think this is what's quite concerni at the momentent, just because at the moment it's just trial social media and by, trial by social media and by, you know, documentaries at the moment. we need to wait for this to be played out in the courts. if that point. if it gets to that point. rebecca talking to a rebecca we were talking to a media and media lawyer earlier and a political who political commentator who advises us on pr issues. >> and it sounds like russell brand isn't taking any legal advice or not formal legal advice or not formal legal advice anyway. and as you say, there are a lot of people out there are a lot of people out there who will buy into his narrative that that you can't trust the mainstream media to. >> i mean, are we surprised that a character of russell brand is not following, you know, the normal trajectory and shall we say, them, you know, the rules in this situation in terms of

you probably follow you would probably follow your legal and perhaps your pr legal advice and perhaps your pr advice in terms of reputation management and where he goes from here. but he's in a very tncky from here. but he's in a very tricky situation. like i mentioned, most people normally stay silent, issue a denial and then wait for things to play out and but it's almost and step back. but it's almost like he's peddling things and wanting to so that wanting it to continue so that he own argument, he can follow his own argument, which is, like just which is, like you just mentioned it, anti—establishment and against the mainstream media, ironically is what media, which ironically is what he owes most of his career to, is the mainstream media and most of yeah indeed. of his money. yeah indeed. >> he got many big name >> has he got many big name supporters coming out on his side? rebecca i'm thinking from the showbiz world. i know elon musk put his head above the parapet and michael barrymore, of all people , didn't know of all people, didn't know michael was still michael barrymore was still around came gunning him around, came out gunning for him last i'm not sure that last week. i'm not sure that michael barrymore, particularly last week. i'm not sure that mich'on barrymore, particularly last week. i'm not sure that mich'on barryside,, particularly last week. i'm not sure that mich'on barry side, actually. arly last week. i'm not sure that mich'on barryside, actually. but want on your side, actually. but i wonder if he has got many big name supporters supporting name supporters still supporting him . him. >> i think at the moment everyone's being very, very careful because latest careful because of the latest developments and there are, developments and that there are, you more allegations. but

you know, more allegations. but at moment, i think it's very at the moment, i think it's very important are important to say these are allegations at allegations which he's denied at the haven't any the moment. we haven't seen any actual or anything, you actual arrest or anything, you know, developing in that way. so i we have to be very i think we have to be very careful moment. so careful at the moment. so initially something comes careful at the moment. so initityou something comes careful at the moment. so initityou sthereiing comes careful at the moment. so initityou sthere are comes careful at the moment. so initityou sthere are there s out, you know, there are there were were speaking were people who were speaking out. i think out. but at the moment, i think everyone's tentatively everyone's now tentatively stepping back and waiting to see because a very tricky because it's a very tricky situation connected to. situation to be connected to. and there are people and obviously there are people who been through this and who have been through this and were wrongly accused and had their stretching their reputations stretching out. so cliff richard was one person an incredibly person who had an incredibly difficult when there were difficult time when there were rumours and accusations going around, were all, you around, which were all, you know, so think really know, false. so i think really at the we need also at the moment we need to also remember that these are accusations and it really is for accusations and it really is for a court of law to decide. >> thank you very much >> yes, thank you very much indeed, rebecca tobin. their show biz journalist. it is interesting, isn't it, because show biz journalist. it is inteofsting, isn't it, because show biz journalist. it is int

lawyer at the beginning, if the media a good story at and media have a good story at and they've got women coming forward after it's after an investigation, it's their report it. but also theirjob to report it. but also all people saying, all these people saying, oh, i never liked russell brand. he was you know, well , was god awful, you know, well, clearly he was popular with some people. yeah >> yeah. >> yeah. >> look, he's never been i mean, i've always been i always thought the rise of russell brand bizarre, but brand has been bizarre, but. but that person would never that sort of person would never have to and i was have appealed to me. and i was amazed. his career continued to flourish pretty awful flourish after the pretty awful conversation you on the conversation you had on the answer machine of andrew sachs, answer machine of andrew sachs, a actor , where he a very elderly actor, where he was bragging that been was bragging that he'd been having sex with his grandchild. well, having sex with his grandchild. weiand that's what we do know >> and that's what we do know for yeah that was pretty horrible. >> but. but but, but infamy. infamy infamy. that's what i mean. >> you've been in the media for a long time. it's interesting to see culture changes so see how the culture changes so quickly. of. things quickly. yeah sort of. things that were accepted, you know, only ten, 20 years yeah. only ten, 20 years ago. yeah. >> well, the bbc have taken some content from russell brand, content down from russell brand, which recently as which was put up as recently as 2018, five years ago. they now decide actually shouldn't

decide did actually it shouldn't be. we should never. well, they're not saying they shouldn't the first bit, shouldn't put up the first bit, saying acceptable saying it's not acceptable content. it's not content. well, if it's not a good content now it shouldn't have been then. >> yeah, possibly not. >> well well yeah, possibly not. and if you type in russell brand into bbc you're not into bbc iplayer, you're not going anything. now going to find anything. now which let's move on. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> em- 5 home secretary, >> because the home secretary, she's make a major she's going to make a major speech. it in speech. she's doing it in washington calling the un washington dc, calling on the un refugee convention signed in 1951. in the aftermath of the second world war, to be ripped up and rewritten modern up and rewritten for modern times. the refugee council times. yes the refugee council charity has said the uk charity has said that the uk should instead be addressing the real the asylum system. >> they say the record backlog providing safe routes those providing safe routes for those in of protection rather in need of protection rather than this talk of tearing up agreements. so david hague is an international human rights lawyer and joins us now. >> david, very good to talk to you again . you again. >> hi. good morning, both of you. very you. well we had a very interesting conversation with you so long ago where you you not so long ago where you said pretty jaw dropping said that a pretty jaw dropping statistic . statistic. >> you said 80% or maybe 20. you said of the claims that you see

as an immigration lawyer are genuine so that says to me that suella braverman is right to be saying this whole convention needs reforming because it's simply out of date . simply out of date. >> well, i think i think, andrew, i mean, you're correct in the figures that i mentioned a ago . the problem is, a few days ago. the problem is, though, that it is really a global problem. you and we need a global solution . so the one a global solution. so the one good thing that braverman is doing is raising this on a global stage . but if she seems global stage. but if she seems to think that changing some definitions and some words in a convention is going to stop people bringing people people smugglers bringing people across i think across the channel, i think she's sorely wrong . she's very sorely wrong. >> is it not important, though, david, that the definition actions are precise and actions are clear, precise and that they're followed because she says, well, she's to going say so article one of the convention, the definition of a refugee, a well—founded founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of ethnicity, religion , reasons of ethnicity, religion, politics, etcetera. she says

that through case law, though, this has been watered down now persecution is more like discrimination and a well—founded fear of persecution is now more applauses people fear. is that true? is that something you . see something you. see >> that's absolutely true. but the actual law and it's the same when you look at things in the echr as well, the actual law is quite clear . it's the quite clear. it's the interpretation that you mentioned quite well. emily and also then the implementation of that that's causing the problems and change. reading the text in and change. reading the text in a convention which in any event would never happen any time soon, i don't think will address the problem because then you will still have development of interpretation and then the implementation problems. so it's a problem . it needs to be a global problem. it needs to be addressed so ways and addressed in so many ways and there are a number of things that she said where she has raised that are issues raised things that are issues and that do look absurd , but it and that do look absurd, but it needs to be a global discussion and a global solution. i think to this one. and like i said, i

mean, but she's saying in washington, you couldn't get a better global stage to make that speech. >> and she's provoking, isn't she a debate that's probably long overdue . david long overdue. david >> no, i agree. i think that's one of the things that's one of the positive things that she's doing. it does need to be addressed around the world because not just we as because it's not just we as britain, we cannot solve this ourselves. it is a global solution. and i'll give you one example that, you know, obviously a man, i mean, obviously as a gay man, i mean, under definitions that under the definitions that you've the interpretation under the definitions that yo it,e the interpretation under the definitions that yo it, technicallya interpretation under the definitions that yo it, technically every'pretation under the definitions that yo it, technically every gay ation of it, technically every gay man, let's say, in africa and the middle east, would have a right to claim asylum here. at the moment if they could get here. now, that that clearly shows up. a lot of absurdities. obviously, there are people that would need protecting. there will be aren't . that's will be some that aren't. that's a situation we need have a situation that we need to have a situation that we need to have a sensible up solution and a sensible grown up solution and discussion over. so she has raised some issues, but i think that she again, like i've said before, i think doing it before, i think she's doing it for the wrong reason. she's

doing electioneering doing it for electioneering because no that because there is no way that that convention is going that refugee convention is going to time soon, to be changed any time soon, given process in given the lengthy process in doing it. and how many countries would to be involved to do that. >> but is it not the case you say , you know, this is just for say, you know, this is just for electioneering, going say, you know, this is just for electionearing, going say, you know, this is just for electionea difference going say, you know, this is just for electionea difference . going say, you know, this is just for electionea difference . butng say, you know, this is just for electionea difference . but isn't to make a difference. but isn't it refugee convention in it the refugee convention in part and the un that are holding back the government from doing things like the rwanda policy ? things like the rwanda policy? >> i don't think it is. i think it's the interpretation, like you mentioned earlier, emily, it's the interpretation that the judges have put in place the judges have put in place and the implementation laws . implementation of those laws. you if we had to you know, if we if we had to rewrite now, how would we rewrite it now, how would we change persecution? change the word persecution? what change that to? what would we change that to? and even if we changed it to something slightly something that was slightly different we excluded different or we excluded categories, have the categories, you'd still have the same problem in judges interpreting different interpreting it in different ways. that's why it needs to ways. so that's why it needs to be a global solution. and it's a global problem . global problem. >> this is why she always blames the . yeah, this why the lawyers. yeah, this is why she always lawyers she always blames the lawyers because to because it's all down to interpretation , because interpretation, because of people david haig . people like david haig. >> but david, you know the

>> but but david, you know the lawyers in a way you can't. >> i would say this, but you can't always blame the lawyers. it judges that make the it is the judges that make the decisions. the lawyers present the but, david, the cases. so but but, david, she's that the she's making the point that the refugees the channel, she refugees across the channel, she said, all of them have said, are have all of them have set foot in safe countries. >> they're leaving france . >> they're leaving france. they're leaving italy to come to britain, which makes them they're genuine asylum they're not genuine asylum seekers . they're genuine seekers. they're not genuine refugees. isn't she? >>i she? >> i think on that and probably a lot of my human rights colleagues would disagree with me on this. she has me on this. i think she has a point. i think i think that is an that does need to an area that does need to be reconsider at reconsider because at the moment, claim in moment, you can claim asylum in any country, even if you've gone through countries to through safe countries to get to that country. and that does seem absurd i don't think absurd because i don't think that's be that's what it should be intended. now then you've got a problem, though, you've got problem, though, that you've got why solution. why you need a global solution. because then why you need a global solution. bewillse then why you need a global solution. bewill be then why you need a global solution. bewill be the then why you need a global solution. bewill be the countries then why you need a global solution. bewill be the countries that then it will be the countries that are near the countries having issues. you're going to have issues. so you're going to have a lot countries turkey a lot of countries like turkey that more that are going to have more than their fair share of refugees. so then some kind of quota

then you need some kind of quota system more system and then you have more problems. so that's said problems. so that's why i said you global solution. problems. so that's why i said youwhat global solution. problems. so that's why i said youwhat i global solution. problems. so that's why i said youwhat i don'tal solution. problems. so that's why i said youwhat i don'tal scistion. problems. so that's why i said youwhat i don'tal scis that the >> what i don't get is that the illegal act says that illegal migration act says that anyone by boat from anyone crossing by by boat from france is an illegal immigrant. so they've changed that. so it's this conflict between international law and domestic law . and i say that domestic law law. and i say that domestic law should be primary and the supreme court should be the final arbiter, not the european court. >> david, you wouldn't agree with that. >> mean, i think i think >> i mean, i think i think emily's got a good point. emily's got a very good point. that that is the that is that that is the problem, conflict between that is that that is the proilaws conflict between that is that that is the proilaws and conflict between that is that that is the proilaws and it'sflict between that is that that is the proilaws and it's not between that is that that is the proilaws and it's not justveen that is that that is the proilaws and it's not just even the laws and it's not just even the laws and it's not just even the european court and the domestic got domestic laws here. you've got the conventions, is the un conventions, which is another have another layer. so you do have multiple layers, domestic and national, and domestic and international. and that's part of the problem. and then the interpretation. so it's a lot to fix. >> yeah, certainly is. and of course the government's job is to and they to protect our borders and they keep outflanked by keep getting outflanked by international like the un international bodies like the un convention. yes. >> and borders are rather >> and the borders are rather porous, very poor. thank you very time. very much indeed for your time. >> to david. great to >> talk to you, david. great to talk david. talk to you, david. >> pleasure. >> pleasure. >> international human. international human rights

lawyer. it was it was lawyer. yeah it was it was a great moment when he said the other way. >> i said, how many of the cases do you see are genuine in your view? said about 20. i thought i'd misheard him. >> the question how >> but also the question of how you sexuality. you prove someone's sexuality. yeah, still yeah, i mean, yeah. well, still to come, saving lives are encroaching on our freedoms. should be illegal for should smoking be illegal for young people? you're with britain's newsroom news. britain's newsroom on gb news. stay .

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radio . radio. >> it's 1124. you're with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and emily carver. >> you are. so we're going to smoking, smoking, ban to ban or not to ban rishi sunak is considering this banning smoking for future generations by in a little sneaky way, gradually raising the age. people can buy cigarettes . cigarettes. >> so a poll by yougov said 71% support the idea it would see britain following the footsteps of new zealand, which recently introduced similar measures to try to stop children picking up the habit. >> yes. so we have author and broadcaster julie >> yes. so we have author and broadcasterjulie kirk >> yes. so we have author and broadcaster julie kirk and >> yes. so we have author and broadcasterjulie kirk and we broadcaster julie kirk and we also have ibrahim . thank you also have ibrahim. thank you very much indeed forjoining us. ramos from the institute of economic affairs. should we start julie , make case start with julie, make the case for this policy? do you think it's a good idea to have this sort of incremental ban of cigarettes so that young people will never be able to get their hands on them ? hands on them? >> i do. i think it's come too

late, actually. it's one of the first things rishi sunak has done that i really agree with. i think young people are now vaping, which is leading them to smoke, which is leading to a new generation of smokers. so we know vaping know we've talked about vaping before, but i think that before, but i also think that smoking itself, if we were to start smoking now , if no one had start smoking now, if no one had ever smoked before and they said, look, inhale this thing, it's you lung it's going to give you lung cancen it's going to give you lung cancer, going to give you cancer, it's going to give you high blood pressure. going high blood pressure. it's going to off life. to take years off your life. it's infect, you know, it's going to infect, you know, make other people smile or smoke. wouldn't it, would smoke. we wouldn't do it, would we? just wouldn't do it. it's we? we just wouldn't do it. it's about time as well that smokers took responsibility for themselves. as people end up in hospital with related hospital with smoking related disease, say they're all disease, they say they're all for. oh, they make the case for i'm responsible for own i'm responsible for my own health. let me smoke. they don't have private they have private health care. they then nhs to sort then go and use the nhs to sort themselves when they become themselves out when they become incredibly unwell from smoking room . room. >> you shaking your head >> you are shaking your head when vaping when julie said that vaping is a gateway to smoking, do you disagree with that ? disagree with that? >> i do disagree. there is absolutely no evidence of that.

and actually, queen mary university published university today published evidence that there is absolutely no evidence between the connection between vaping and smoking. we've also got to remember is 95, at remember that vaping is 95, at least 95% less harmful than smoking . so i think it's smoking. so i think it's actually quite dangerous to be propagating these kind of ideas because it's actually quite harmful for many smokers that want to quit . harmful for many smokers that want to quit. but harmful for many smokers that want to quit . but ultimately want to quit. but ultimately incrementally increasing the age of sale of tobacco is dangerously illiberal . all dangerously illiberal. all you're effectively going to be treating the adults of the future like children. we could be in a position that, you know, a 41, 42 year old will be waiting around for a 44, 45 year old to buy them some tobacco products. it's awful . well, and products. it's awful. well, and effectively you're taking away that choice from many individuals. remember, smokers make up about a fifth of the uk population . when i say let them choose. >> but but it kills people. reem you know that. and it's a huge burden on the nhs which people listening and watching this programme , um, have to pay for.

programme, um, have to pay for. and it puts enormous strain on that nhs , which is already under that nhs, which is already under huge pressure . huge pressure. >> absolutely. and actually if you want to save the nhs, you've got to buy more cigarettes because of that because the amount of tax that you because the amount of tax that you pay because the amount of tax that you pay for when you're buying those cigarettes, i mean , you those cigarettes, i mean, you know, cigarettes at the moment in uk actually the cost of in the uk actually the cost of them are about 85% tax. so if you really about the nhs, you really care about the nhs, buy cigarettes . um, buy some more cigarettes. um, i'm of course , but what i'm joking. of course, but what i'm joking. of course, but what i will say is that when it comes to in people treat to the way in which people treat their own health, of course, as a of having the nhs, a result of having the nhs, we've socialised we've got a socialised health care system that we spend just below £200 billion a year on every year. and ultimately because the government control our health the government our health care, the government also control health. that also control our health. so that means won't just be means that it won't just be smoking. health smoking. the public health zealots will come an zealots will come after an attack. our junk food or our the amount sugar that we have in amount of sugar that we have in our in our coca—colas. and ultimately, this rode down ultimately, what this rode down the nanny state does is it means that the government will continuously try and control how you live your life.

>> julie we've already seen, you know, vaping has been used as a tool by the nhs to get people off cigarettes. now you've got the public health lobby talking about , you know, not just bans about, you know, not just bans on disposable vapes, but banning vaping with, you know, they use horror stories of, of cases where people have been badly impacted to then say we should ban the lot . would you support a ban the lot. would you support a ban the lot. would you support a ban on vaping as well? >> i would support a ban on vaping in people under a certain age. yes. i mean, i think this is, as we've said before , this is, as we've said before, this is, as we've said before, this is a new but children are buying them. i mean, that's the thing that i've talked about this before. it's they're aimed at kids. you know, we know this. they've got bright colours, bubble of it. bubble gum, all the rest of it. it's cynical say they're not it's cynical to say they're not aimed because they aimed at kids because they really kids. um, really are aimed at kids. um, but think smoking itself but i think that smoking itself , talking about rishi's , we're talking about rishi's ban or suggested ban at the moment and i think you know, vaping and smoking, you can't talk about two mutually talk about the two mutually exclusive are they exclusive they are they are unked exclusive they are they are linked each other. and linked to each other. and i think smoke need to think people who smoke need to

accept they killing accept that they are killing themselves. they are making themselves. they are making themselves ill even if they don't cancer, don't die of lung cancer, they'll blood pressure they'll get high blood pressure and they'll get a stroke. all these different that cost these different things that cost these different things that cost the millions and millions of the nhs millions and millions of pounds. yes so if we know it, why don't we? >> is . why don't we? >> is. i'm sorry. this is an absolutely absurd argument to make. the this idea that smokers somehow don't know that smoking is bad for them every i guarantee you, every single smoker in this country is fully aware of the health implications of what they're doing, and yet they still choose to do so because they have any other reason. potentially, they actually for actually enjoy smoking, for goodness . but i think it's goodness sake. but i think it's really to 16 year olds. >> no to 16 year olds really know how damaging smoking is. do they really know the damage it's going to do to their health long term? >> absolutely. do . but at >> absolutely. they do. but at the moment when we're thinking about this incremental increase in tobacco, in the age of sale of tobacco, what would look like is what that would look like is treating treating those treating adults, treating those individuals that are over the age of 18 like they are children

. it's already illegal for 16, 17 year olds to buy cigarettes . 17 year olds to buy cigarettes. and, you know, we talk about the you know, the impact of disposable example . disposable vapes, for example. all disposable are already all disposable vapes are already illegal to be sold to under 18. and you're absolutely right, they are being under 18. they are being sold to under 18. and failure of law and that's a failure of law enforcement. we don't need more legislation, nannying from legislation, more nannying from the government. what need is the government. what we need is for actually for law enforcement to actually enforce existing legislation i >> -- >> julie, would you go the whole hog and just ban cigarettes outright? so none of this phasing out over the years? just get rid of them altogether ? get rid of them altogether? >> i wish i could say yes , but i >> i wish i could say yes, but i don't i really don't think that's possible. obviously, if you could wave a magic wand, i think even smokers, if they're really honest, would say that because they've really honest, would say that becausesomething they've really honest, would say that because something that'sve really honest, would say that because something that's a road started something that's a road to and our guest just to ruin. and our guest just said, yes, smokers know they're killing themselves. smokers know it's them. i it's bad for them. well, then i suggest they go and get suggest they all go and get private care then private health care then and stop nhs because i stop using my nhs because i don't my taxes for don't want to pay my taxes for people know they're people who know they're killing themselves hospital themselves to end up in hospital . cancer and other . so kids with cancer and other

people can't get the resources. >> could say that >> they could say that about obese too . and obese people though too. and then you're left with no one getting any treatment. exactly >> killing >> because obesity is killing more cigarette more people than cigarette smoking. julie well, yeah, this is true , but of course we can't is true, but of course we can't ban food. >> you know, food something >> you know, food is something we you can you can we all need, but you can you can ban processed food . ban processed food. >> ban processed food , >> you can ban processed food, you could ban processed food. you a much higher tax you could put a much higher tax on processed food. >> that's a whole different >> but that's a whole different ball end of ball game because at the end of the , there's well , the day, there's a whole well, there's the whole look at poverty. most most people have to buy processed foods because they afford food. they can't afford fresh food. that's a different that's a whole different discussion why , you know, discussion about why, you know, the members of our the poorer members of our society reliant processed society are reliant on processed food. different debate. >> that's a debate we >> well, that's a debate we could continue with, but we've run out but great to run out of time. but great to talk you both. talk to you both. >> thank very much. that was >> thank you very much. that was juue >> thank you very much. that was julie cook and reem ibrahim from the isn't it? the iea. interesting, isn't it? i the nanny if i think with the nanny state, if you inch, they take a you give an inch, they take a mile. one's ever going to mile. no one's ever going to stop disposal all stop it. banning disposal all votes vaping gone. cigarettes votes or vaping gone. cigarettes completely can forget completely gone. you can forget

your burger . your burger. >> i used to smoke. i packed up when 40. i didn't smoke when i was 40. i didn't smoke a lot, but i just don't think this is workable and. and what about booze? we didn't even talk about booze. >> but also, the thing is , is >> but also, the thing is, is that fewer people are that fewer and fewer people are smoking anyway. right? but then people go after the vaping. still to come, the number of staff sick days in britain is up a quarter from the a quarter from before the pandemic. that quite pandemic. that is quite extraordinary, actually. are we missing vitamin c or a extraordinary, actually. are we mistoo; vitamin c or a extraordinary, actually. are we mistoo poor vitamin c or a extraordinary, actually. are we mistoo poor me,'itamin c or a extraordinary, actually. are we mistoo poor me, ifimin c or a extraordinary, actually. are we mistoo poor me, if you c or a extraordinary, actually. are we mistoo poor me, if you getr a bit too poor me, if you get that, i get it. >> but first, the news with . aaron >> hello there at 1132. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. the home secretary believes simply being gay or a woman isn't enough by itself to claim asylum. she'll campaign for a change to international refugee agreements in washington later claiming rules put in place 70 years ago. are no longer relevant. she'll also argue a shift in interpretation has lowered the threshold for

claiming asylum. the un's1951 convention stipulates refugees shouldn't be returned to countries where they face persecution or a threat to life. she's previously expressed her disapproval of the european convention for human rights and its impact on the government's controversial rwanda scheme . controversial rwanda scheme. russell brands accused the government of bypass seeing the judicial process to censor him. he made the comments on rumble last night after the met police opened an investigation into multiple sexual offence allegations in which he denies rumble is a video sharing platform which brand broadcasts on after youtube blocked the comedian from earning advertising revenue. it's popular with other figures who hold extreme views, including andrew tate and the conspiracy theorist alex jones . customers theorist alex jones. customers will receive £114 million off their water bills next year because providers are falling short of set standards. the regulator , ofwat, says most regulator, ofwat, says most companies are failing to meet targets on reducing pollution and leakage and supply interruptions . sales and

interruptions. sales and customer satisfaction is continuing to fall. thames water will have to pay back £101 million with southern water paying million with southern water paying back £43 million. at thames water is the country's largest provider, serving 15 million people in the south of england. and workers in the uk are taking more days off because they're sick than any time in they're sick than any time in the last decade. it's new research from the chartered institute for professional development and shows that staff are taking on average 7.8 days in the last year. that's up from 5.8 before the covid pandemic . 5.8 before the covid pandemic. it's blaming coronavirus , the it's blaming coronavirus, the cost of living crisis and stress. the biggest cause for long term absence is poor mental health. more on all of our stories as always on our website, gb news dot com . direct website, gb news dot com. direct boolean sponsors the finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment . silver investment. >> it .

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>> hello. very good morning to you. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office for the rain or showers today, but it won't be raining all day everywhere. there be some sunshine there will be some sunshine in between, although it will stay blustery storm agnes blustery before storm agnes arrives tomorrow to bring a widespread swathe of disruptive winds. we start off tuesday with showers moving through southern and central england , clearing to and central england, clearing to the east. another spell of wet weather moves into northern ireland and then scotland during the afternoon the morning and early afternoon . showers . some . that clears to showers. some of these showers could be heavy, especially western scotland and northern there'll northern ireland, but there'll be sunshine in between. and be some sunshine in between. and in will in the southeast it will feel warm the sunshine whilst the warm in the sunshine whilst the strong wind the north and strong wind in the north and northwest a northwest coastal gales is a possibility will keep it feeling on the cool side. the on the cool side. then the spells of rain and showers become more confined to the north and northwest of the uk. overnight clear spells elsewhere and in the northwest. those and even in the northwest. those showers will generally ease by dawn. so for most, actually, it's bright start to wednesday it's a bright start to wednesday andifs it's a bright start to wednesday and it's a relatively calm start compared with what's to come later in day . so plenty of

later in the day. so plenty of early morning sunshine , a bit of early morning sunshine, a bit of a chill air in the north a chill in the air in the north with temperatures in the mid single nothing single figures. but nothing out of cloud of the ordinary. the cloud builds south and then builds in the south and then well, by later in the morning, the sign of storm agnes the first sign of storm agnes with the wind picking up in the west and spells of rain pushing into northern ireland, southwestern scotland, irish sea coastal areas and that rain turning heavy by the end of the day. the widespread gales day. but the widespread gales that through western that develop through western coasts could cause disruption in that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers >> proud sponsors of weather on

>> the people's channel. britain's news . >> the people's channel. britain's news. channel >> it's 1141 with britain's newsroom. when gb news with andrew pierce and emily carver. >> that's me, emily carver. now the number of workers in the uk taking sick leave has hit a ten year high of that. yeah, so we're going to get the reaction of our panel. gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and political commentator and author tanya buxton are with us. are we tonya lazy? do brits just not fancy working too hard these days? yes. >> as a freelancer because. so i have lots of balls in the air and i have and i work independently for lots of different people. i have never taken a sick day . i mean, ijust taken a sick day. i mean, ijust neven taken a sick day. i mean, ijust never. interesting. i've never taken a sick day. so i don't know means. you know, know what that means. you know, i get on, i have to get on

because, most of the because, you know, most of the time don't go in, i don't time if i don't go in, i don't earn. yeah. and so it's not a choice for me. and i remember when a primary school when i was a primary school teacher when teacher in tottenham when i taught there for nearly eight years, i think i took like i took two sick days off very early on in term because i just wasn't used to the viral load that i was going to get from all these all these children . these all these children. >> yeah, of course. >> yeah, of course. >> but on the whole, i was normally sick in half the first half term. yeah seem to keep half term. yeah you seem to keep going. i think is, it's going. so i think it is, it's a mental strength that you just have to keep going. i'm not saying that people genuinely saying that people are genuinely sick things , but i sick with genuine things, but i think get a of a think you get a bit of a sniffles and you stay home. that's not acceptable. >> yeah, lot of it, nigel, >> yeah, and a lot of it, nigel, is in the public sector. it is a high the it's higher in the public. what so do you think. >> well i mean, if you look at the survey this is by the chartered institute of personnel and development. i think they need name. yes for need a more snappy name. yes for the future. but anyway, they're

putting it down to the effects of stress. covid cost of living . i do think that if you have a situation where employers are trying to shed staff all the time, which seems to be happening more and more at the moment , the danger is that the moment, the danger is that the remaining employees have to have to have to carry a greater burden . and that to me would burden. and that to me would seem to be one of the reasons why stress would could come into play why stress would could come into play . then, of course, you've play. then, of course, you've got the aftermath of covid. i mean, there are still i know it's controversial, but some people still suffering from long covid that's been proved to be not we haven't dealt with the long term sick, which means that thatis long term sick, which means that that is actually pushing wages. >> nigel yeah. didn't really answer the question about the pubuc answer the question about the public sector because they're typically off sick for 10.6 days a year. compare that with private sector colleagues on 5.8. so that's nearly double. yeah. no, not quite double but nearly. >> yeah. i mean i'm not defending them. >> it must be just because it's

eafien >> but why do you think, why is it higher then in the public sector you've outlined all those reasons about stress and reductions staff , reductions in number of staff, but they're reducing many but they're not reducing many staff sector. staff in the public sector. sadly, should sadly, they should be. >> , they are. >> well, they are. >> well, they are. >> i mean, well, look. well, >> well, they are. >> i for�*an, well, look. well, >> well, they are. >> ifor�*arstart.l, look. well, >> well, they are. >> i for�*arstart of look. well, >> well, they are. >> i for�*arstart of the. well, look for a start of the railways. there's an example railways. so there's an example where they're going for a major reduction in staff. the idea of scrapping people on stations all that would be stressful. i'm not excusing any of this, by the way. i'm just saying that i can understand in situations like that a whole raft of people that when a whole raft of people are facing losing their jobs, that's incredibly stressful . that's incredibly stressful. >> well, oh, for goodness sake . >> well, oh, for goodness sake. i mean, it's just an excuse and it's just being lazy and it's because they can get away with it's just being lazy and it's beand;e they can get away with it's just being lazy and it's beand they're can get away with it's just being lazy and it's beand they're goingt away with it's just being lazy and it's beand they're going to way with it's just being lazy and it's beand they're going to stillwith it and they're going to still earn because couldn't get earn because you couldn't get away sector away with the private sector because you lose your job, because you lose your job, because your job. because you'd lose your job. absolutely. because you'd lose your job. absorrtely. because you'd lose your job. absor and. because you'd lose your job. absor and if you're boss, job or and if you're the boss, you're going to lose your own money. so it's because money. yeah. so it's because they get away it. and they can get away with it. and covid into that. covid just fed into that. >> the nhs waiting covid just fed into that. >> aren't the nhs waiting covid just fed into that. >> aren't helping|e nhs waiting covid just fed into that. >> aren't helping anyone./aiting covid just fed into that. >> aren't helping anyone. no,1g lists aren't helping anyone. no, but move to to the but should we move on to to the the names? because this is the baby names? because this is quite this

quite interesting. we get this every, don't we? every, every year, don't we? a list most popular baby list of the most popular baby names. which are at names. tonya which ones are at the which ones are at the top and which ones are at the top and which ones are at the bottom? anything to worth pointing the bottom? anything to worth pointiri think i think there are >> so i think i think there are certain phil and certain names like phil and holly have plummeted. holly which have plummeted. >> really? >> oh, really? >> oh, really? >> they anything to do with >> yes. they anything to do with their problems on itv might their problems on itv that might have big chunk to do with it. have a big chunk to do with it. heaven's popular constantly. is any kind of derivative of sophia. sophie see, they're all very, very popular names , very, very popular names, irrespective of how they're spelt. yeah and the other ones have gone down are meghan and harry. >> hooray i hooray! >> hooray! hooray! >> hooray! hooray! >> not so popular anymore. but as usual , the most popular boys as usual, the most popular boys name is mohammed , is it? yes, it name is mohammed, is it? yes, it has been for quite a while now. and i think that shows the kind of diversity and the changing culture britain actually, culture of britain actually, that mohammed as the culture of britain actually, that popular mohammed as the culture of britain actually, that popular boy's1ammed as the culture of britain actually, that popular boy's name. d as the most popular boy's name. >> yeah. other other >> yeah. what other what other names for boys? jack names are popular for boys? jack is still jack still popular for boys. >> noah . >> noah. >> noah. >> noah. >> noah is second. is it that so 7 >> noah is second. is it that so ? they are. they're it's shifting and moving. whereas before i think pop clarity was

literally coming off the telly in many ways. yeah i do think it's shifting now . it's shifting now. >> hm. interesting. >> hm. interesting. >> well, it reflects demographic change, doesn't it, with the number boys being number one boys name being mohammed . it been for mohammed. but it has been for years has very long years now. it has very a long while now. years now. it has very a long while nodo years now. it has very a long while no do you years now. it has very a long while nodo you think, harry and >> why do you think, harry and meghan have the meghan have gone down the popular. wonder. popular. oh, i wonder. >> because you >> i wonder, nelson because you often program defends often on this program defends meghan from my rants meghan markle from my rants about i can't defend about her no, i can't defend meghan markle no, you even meghan markle no, you don't even you defend her. i you can't defend her. and i wouldn't i'd rather think wouldn't try. i'd rather think on this that, mean, nigel on this that, i mean, nigel ought a comeback . no, ought to make a comeback. no, nobody calls their baby nigel any long. >> nigel. so we're in time. we thousand, huh? >> i don't think nigel is even in the top. >> no, no, it's about 400. is that the farage effect? >> the farage effect? >> is that the farage effect? >> is that the farage effect? >> might have >> i think it might have something to do with the farage effect, i. i think that effect, but i. i do think that names have a fashion, don't names do have a fashion, don't they? so a the old they? so a lot of the old fashioned names coming back fashioned names are coming back in and lily and things in like iris and lily and things like lily think most like that. lily i think the most popular name at the popular girls name at the moment. there is a, there is moment. so there is a, there is a kind lean towards that

feel. >> and harry was popular for a long time. yeah yeah. >> and it seems harry is actually sort of a popular name, . this is nothing do with . this is nothing to do with prince but has prince harry, but it has been for ages popular name. it for ages a popular name. it sounds like that now, the connotation prince harry connotation with prince harry has made it drop down the list. >> yes, they don't want to be associated with a complete whinging associated with a complete whishould squeeze >> should we squeeze in a disagreement me? >> should we squeeze in a disrljreement me? >> should we squeeze in a dis! completely me? >> should we squeeze in a dis! completely agree? >> should we squeeze in a dis! completely agree with you there. >> should we should we squeeze in the latest from labour? they are going ahead, seems, are going ahead, it seems, with this 20% tax on private this slapping 20% tax on private school fees. >> a policy last night. >> a policy last night. >> it's an own goal, isn't it? an own goal? >> no, no, no, no, it isn't absolute own goal. >> because why not let i mean, i don't believe in private education personally, but i'm happy people pay for happy to let rich people pay for their kids to private their kids to go into private education. find really education. what i find really annoying they a annoying is when they have a whole private education and then when comes to sixth form when it comes to sixth form colleges, take them out. colleges, they take them out. this happened the this is what's happened at the moment the sixth moment with us. so the sixth form parents form colleges, because parents can't more, send can't afford any more, send their education, their kids to private education, are flooded with these children that fed their

that have been spoon fed their education. may i just add that my is in the same sixth, education. may i just add that my form in the same sixth, education. may i just add that my form collegeame sixth, education. may i just add that my form collegeame didh, education. may i just add that my form collegeame did it sixth form college and did it all on his own? very proud . all on his own? i'm very proud. >> why should the taxpayer pick up the tab for somebody else's choice? i'm perfectly happy for people to be allowed to spend their money as they wish to, but we pay for what's going on here. >> but at the moment, education we we pay for tax for everything. >> we pay for tax for state education out of our taxation . education out of our taxation. but why? if people want to make a choice, it's like sort of it's like private health. they can choose private health, but it's not subsidised by the taxpayer. giving charitable status to private schools means that the taxpayer is subsidising . them. taxpayer is subsidising. them. >> well, hang on, hang on, hang on. no, no. >> this is just politics of envy because you get to the they haven't actually looked at the consequences this policy properly. >> what they do in the community, these private schools is but happens you >> but what happens when, you know, their know, all those kids, their parents can't afford anymore, parents can't afford it anymore, so shut down, they so then they shut down, they flood into the state, flood into our the state school sector.

>> who's going to build a new school? well, let's see if that >> well, let's see if that happens. mean, the a lot of happens. i mean, the a lot of parents rich enough to in parents are rich enough to in fact, lot of parents fact, not a lot of parents actually bear the extra 20% cost on fees. let's look all this won't stop people going to eton. >> stop people going to >> it will stop people going to the school the tiny little private school down they've down the road which they've aspired to go to for many years. >> there'll there'll >> i'm sure there'll be there'll be will suffer be some schools that will suffer out but we back out of this. but we go back again to the taxpayer funding it. >> some parents forgo holidays , >> some parents forgo holidays, forego any luxury a private school, any luxuries to go . why? school, any luxuries to go. why? why do we have to bring them down? why do we have to bring them that's my them down anyway? that's just my view. yeah i agree. >> yeah. view. yeah i agree. >> we're we're all >> we're all we're all disagreeing you for nigel, disagreeing with you for nigel, but you're always very robust. >> well, thank you very much. up next, we're going to be joined by patrick christys who that patrick christys coming in again i >> -- >> why is m >> why is this programme so popular this week with patrick christys? >> i wonder ? i wonder. >> i wonder? i wonder. >> i wonder? i wonder. >> patrick christys coming up, christie's. >> he's going to tell us what's on his show this afternoon. but first, your latest weather forecast well sorry to rush out

forecast. well sorry to rush out at the end . at the end. >> the temperature is rising . >> the temperature is rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. further rain or showers today , but it rain or showers today, but it won't be raining all day everywhere. there be everywhere. there will be some sunshine although it sunshine in between, although it will blustery before storm will stay blustery before storm agnes arrives tomorrow to bring a widespread swathe of disruptive winds, we start off tuesday with showers moving through southern and central england, clearing to the east. another spell of wet weather moves into northern ireland and then scotland during the morning moves into northern ireland and therearly.and during the morning moves into northern ireland and therearly afternoong the morning moves into northern ireland and therearly afternoon . the morning moves into northern ireland and therearly afternoon . thatnorning moves into northern ireland and therearly afternoon . that clears; and early afternoon. that clears to showers some of these showers could be heavy, especially western and northern western scotland and northern ireland, be some ireland, but there'll be some sunshine in between and in the south—east it will warm in south—east it will feel warm in the the strong the sunshine whilst the strong wind north and northwest wind in the north and northwest coastal gales a possibility will keep feeling on the cool keep it feeling on the cool side. then the spells of rain and showers become more confined to the north and northwest of

the overnight. clear spells the uk overnight. clear spells elsewhere and even in the northwest. those showers will generally by dawn. so for generally ease by dawn. so for most, actually, it's a bright start wednesday it's start to wednesday and it's a relatively calm start compared with what's to come later in the day. so plenty of early morning sunshine, a bit of a chill in the in north with the air in the north with temperatures mid single temperatures in the mid single figures, but nothing out of the ordinary. cloud builds in ordinary. the cloud builds in the south and then well, by later in the morning, the first sign of storm agnes with the wind picking up in west and wind picking up in the west and spells of rain pushing into northern ireland, southwestern scotland, irish sea coastal areas and that rain turning heavy the end of the day. but heavy by the end of the day. but the that the widespread gales that develop through western coasts could cause disruption . the could cause disruption. the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> sorry to interrupt your conversation . we're live on the conversation. we're live on the television this is britain's newsroom and we've got patrick

with us, don't we? >> we do . >> we do. >> we do. >> it always seems to be chaos when i come in. so thank you very much. >> i be. >> yes, i will be. >> it's only case when you >> it's only a case when you come in. yes you caused the chaos. >> i caused the chaos. >> i caused the chaos. >> i caused the chaos. >> i have chaotic energy. yeah. so through so i will be with you through till 6 pm. >> and it's really big show >> and it's a really big show today, in that 3:00 >> and it's a really big show today because in that 3:00 >> and it's a really big show today because we've:hat 3:00 >> and it's a really big show today because we've got 3:00 >> and it's a really big show today because we've got suella hour, because we've got suella braverman in washington. braverman speech in washington. very be very good at 3:30. so we'll be building that. building up to that. >> just want to give >> and i just want to give people a sneak of what we people a sneak peek of what we think going to think she's going to say. >> is our home >> so this is our home secretary, i understand it, secretary, as i understand it, standing up the world stage, standing up on the world stage, telling what they telling the world what they need to about refugee to hear about the refugee and asylum illegal migrants. >> she's to going say under >> she's to going say that under the current convention, there are 780 million people who she thinks could qualify basically to enter britain if they did manage to make it here, which many of them will try to. >> isn't enough to >> being gay isn't enough to qualify for asylum , apparently, qualify for asylum, apparently, she's going to say. >> and it's not okay for people to travel through countries to travel through safe countries and their desired destination. >> home secretary . >> home secretary. >> home secretary. >> and finally, she's going to say , as we understand it, that say, as we understand it, that

no channel migrant is in urgent need. so if she stands up and says all of that in front of the world, i think that will go down rather well. >> certainly goes down well with people watch this programme people who watch this programme and programme. and listen to this programme. and the daily and readers of the daily mail newspaper and certainly down with and really won't with me and you really won't with me and you really won't with people and lot with a lot of people and a lot of people are scared to say it out loud. >> actually they do think >> but actually they do think it's situation it's just a ridiculous situation right now. >> people say, oh, she's >> some people say, oh, she's going again. she's going freelance again. she's staying staying with going freelance again. she's staywashington staying with going freelance again. she's staywashington . staying with going freelance again. she's staywashington . she's'ing with going freelance again. she's staywashington . she's staying] the washington. she's staying with our ambassador in washington, karen pierce. this has have signed off by has to have been signed off by the government. so he is he's licenced her to be his attack dog. prime get the dog. the prime minister get the home do it. he does home secretary to do it. he does want to get into the rules of it. i think that's exactly it. and i think that's exactly the right do it. the right way to do it. >> the lightning rod >> she'll be the lightning rod laver, course, hopeless. >> she'll be the lightning rod laver, that rse, hopeless. >> she'll be the lightning rod laver, that ridiculous. ss. >> she'll be the lightning rod laver, that ridiculous. the >> and that ridiculous. the chairman of the labour was chairman of the labour party was doing tv studios doing the touring the tv studios today, didn't have today, including she didn't have anything the anything to say about the numbers coming about far numbers coming here about far too coming here and or too many coming here and or whether the people crossing the channel breaking the law. >> exactly. and people

>> yeah exactly. and if people keep saying, this has to keep saying, well, this has to be international be an international effort, well, on the well, she's there on the international stage saying something international stage saying someticountry . we tend to be at single country. we tend to be at the receiving end of this now, mainly through our geographic location. as location. and i just feel as though if she does go out and actually all of this stuff, actually say all of this stuff, she's very brave for doing it. she's for doing it. she's very bold for doing it. but will saying, think but she will be saying, i think what majority of what the vast majority of british thinking and british people are thinking and unfortunately, of people british people are thinking and unfonwantzly, of people british people are thinking and unfonwantzly,hear of people british people are thinking and unfonwantzly,hear it.f people don't want to hear it. >> the charity's already talking about this is. you've about how awful this is. you've got you know, various refugee councils . the un's not going to councils. the un's not going to like it. >> human rights lawyers, human rights lawyers, human rights lawyers. >> no, exactly. but at the moment, we do have a cottage industry going it's industry going on where it's essentially a agency for essentially a travel agency for illegal migrants can end up illegal migrants that can end up in britain that would, of course, on that. course, be be my view on that. and we do have a lot of issues coming down the road and the world needs wake up to this world needs to wake up to this now not keep the can now and not keep kicking the can down road. i mean, there's now and not keep kicking the can downtalk road. i mean, there's now and not keep kicking the can downtalk road. thatan, there's now and not keep kicking the can downtalk road. thatan, titalian even talk today that the italian leader is very angry because she's just found out that germany has apparently been

paying germany has apparently been paying rights paying human rights organisations to pick up organisations to pick people up in mediterranean and then in the mediterranean and then help and to europe . so, i help them and to europe. so, i mean, you've got people mean, if you've got people working against it simultaneously, germany simultaneously, then germany saying they're not going to accept refugees from accept any more refugees from italy all supposed italy and they're all supposed to working singing from to be working singing from the same they're same hymn sheet because they're all eu. same hymn sheet because they're all exactlyzu. same hymn sheet because they're all exactly that fabulous >> exactly that fabulous organisation all the same organisation all saying the same thing. they're thing. no they're not. they're all their all trying to work out for their own interest. own national interest. >> well, exactly. the home secretary kingdom. >> well, exactly. the home sec good kingdom. >> well, exactly. the home sec good for kingdom. >> well, exactly. the home sec good for her. kingdom. >> well, exactly. the home sec good for her. you ingdom. >> well, exactly. the home sec good for her. you doingn. >> good for her. are you doing anything else as well? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well, i've got couple of >> well, i've got a couple of other just on other bits and bobs just on that though. we're going though. like i said, we're going to up to that three. to be building up to that three. we're expecting that at half past we'll be getting past three and we'll be getting the left and past three and we'll be getting the right left and past three and we'll be getting the right on left and past three and we'll be getting the right on that. left and past three and we'll be getting the right on that. human and past three and we'll be getting the right on that. human rights charities. we're also to charities. we're also going to be people who do be talking to people who do think actually gay think that actually being gay does mean that you deserve asylum get asylum. so asylum and should get asylum. so we've got we've got a huge kind of fair taking on of fun, fair taking place on that. going to be that. we're also going to be having of a look at one of having a bit of a look at one of the migrant hotels in chichester. going to chichester. we're going to be taking liam taking a closer look at two liam halligan crunching the halligan has been crunching the numbers on the cost of hs2 for us as and a blm protester us as well. and a blm protester who behind toppling

who was behind the toppling of the colston has the edward colston statue has just over just been in hot water over the appropriation funds that were appropriation of funds that were given them, which is an given for them, which is an interesting keep eyes. >> f- eyes. >> lord berkeley told us >> well, lord berkeley told us that billion. that hs2 could cost 180 billion. >> did a review >> yeah. and he did a review into cost of the whole into the cost of the whole project. 180 billion. it's supposed right? well supposed to be 32, right? well that's enough of us. that's enough us. then be back enough of us. then we'll be back with newsroom with the british newsroom tomorrow

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