it up gb news and we are taking it up a gear this hour. suella braverman is set to stand up in washington on the world stage and potentially tell the world what it needs to hear about illegal immigration, about refugees and about asylum seekers. a few different bits and she's expected to and bobs that she's expected to say. expected, of course say. she is expected, of course , about the definition , to go on about the definition of refugee as we need to change that definition. why, you may ask? that definition. why, you may ask.7 well that definition. why, you may ask? well because 780 million people apparently could be on their way to britain and europe. many of them, of course, will end up being channel migrants and what she is also saying is that channel migrants will not be in and honour in urged urgent need of asylum. this is the direct clash between our illegal migration bill and what the convention of refugees has to say. she'll also be talking again more about this number, 780 million people on their way and what she's trying to do is make the world community, the global wake now and global community wake up now and change of change that definition of a refugee . she's saying it's too

refugee. she's saying it's too easy, especially for people who claim to be a member of the lgbt community or indeed a woman. they should not, in her views, have an automatic right to asylum. this is going to be barnstorming. it's going to be standing on the world stage in washington, teeing off on illegal migration, asylum seekers at half seekers and refugees at half past three, we have all the build—up , all controversy build—up, all the controversy and reaction . with me and all the reaction. with me patrick . gb news. patrick christys on. gb news. yeah i don't take your eyes off it because like i said, we've got all that controversy, all the reaction and all the build—up coming your way. gb views of gb views .com. do you feel know feel from what we already know about braverman is about what suella braverman is likely things that likely to say, those things that i've there i've outlined there that actually do british actually we do have a british home secretary who wants to be world the world stage world leading on the world stage now, but this time when it comes to sense, views and to common sense, gb views and gbnews.com. it's gbnews.com. but right now it's your headlines.

>> it's 3:02. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. the mayor of greater manchester says he could take legal action against the tory government if the northern leg of hs2 scrapped . the prime minister is reportedly alarmed by the runaway cost of the high speed rail link, which is thought to exceed £100 billion. the government has refused to rule out curtailing the project . andy out curtailing the project. andy burnham says labour will build hs2 if it wins the election because a failure to do so would have massive implications for the north. >> for 15 years or more, a kind of many people in the greater manchester system have been working hard at the government's request to bring through these plans. we've devoted hours and hours and hours of time . all of hours and hours of time. all of our development plans are linked to it. if they pull the plug, they are kind of ripping the heart out of the economic development plan for greater manchester and parts of the north. so all options would absolutely be on the table . absolutely be on the table. >> well, as you may have just

heard, sir ed davey's been outlining his party's key pledges in a keynote speech in bournemouth. the lib dem leader says the by—election successes in tory heartlands recently have been historic . he believes been historic. he believes people are desperate for change from the tories , now, fearing from the tories, now, fearing discrimination for being gay or a woman should not be enough to qualify for asylum. that's the view of the home secretary, who will question whether the un refugee convention is fit for purpose , says she'll tell purpose, says she'll tell counterparts in washington on it should be reformed or replaced with something fit for our modern age . the treaty, drawn up modern age. the treaty, drawn up in 1951, protects asylum seekers from being returned to a home country if they're likely to face threats to life or freedom. it's all part of her plan to tackle the refugee crisis. but the shadow cabinet minister, anneliese dodds, says the concern additives are to blame for the influx small boats. for the influx of small boats. >> says international convention sessions are not the reason why the conservative government is

failing. in particular to take action against the international people smuggling gangs. they're not the reason why the conservative government has such chaos in the asylum system. they're not the reason why british taxpayers are paying £8 million a day on accommodation . million a day on accommodation. i'm a, i'm afraid the responsible party for all of this lies squarely with the conservative government. >> meanwhile, red cross officials on the italian island officials on the italian island of lampedusa are rushing to free up space in their processing centre for its in expectation of another surge in migrant arrivals . gb news can reveal the arrivals. gb news can reveal the camp now has just over 150 residents. a week ago it was deaung residents. a week ago it was dealing with more than 11,000 scotland yard will face difficult decisions over how to protect people in london because of a shortage of counterterrorism. police sir mark rowley says there's significantly less cover available after dozens of officers stood down from firearms duty. it was in response to a colleague being

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urgent change. it is time for britain to be world leading, world leading when it comes to common sense, it should be common sense, it should be common sense, it should be common sense that somebody who enters your country illegally, having passed through numerous safe countries and then makes a speech case for asylum , they speech case for asylum, they should be classed as an illegal immigrant. that is essentially what the government's illegal migration bill seeks to do. but of course it goes against the un , which forces nations to not discriminate against those who illegally cross borders and break into nations. that's quite clearly, in my view, needs to change. and that, i believe, is what she's going to ask for. her case centres around the number 780 million. it's a large number, isn't it? but that is the amount of people that she claims will be able to class themselves as refugees under the current outdated definition. well where are they heading? i mean, europe mostly, and britain may well be their final destination. that is unsustained

bill. that is ridiculous and it needs to be stopped. the world needs to be stopped. the world needs to be stopped. the world needs to accept that. secondly, she will say that being gay or a woman doesn't give you an automatic right to asylum . this automatic right to asylum. this has caused a huge amount of controversy . but she's right. controversy. but she's right. you shouldn't have an automatic right to asylum based on your gender or your alleged sexual orientation. there has to be a genuine for case persecution. but that is also based on the other and arguably most important point that she, as we understand , is set to make the understand, is set to make the treaty currently obliges signatories to take in people coming directly from a place where their life or freedom is at threat. but uk courts often approve claims from people who have spent time in other safe countries before reaching britain and interpretation on thatis britain and interpretation on that is shared by the un high commissioner on refugees . that is shared by the un high commissioner on refugees. this is madness and this is wrong that promotes fake refugee tourism and that is what britain is facing at the moment. she is

set to say that nobody coming across the channel from france is in urgent need . good. this is is in urgent need. good. this is why everybody should think france is a safe country and people make a personal choice as to whether or not they want to get in a boat and come to britain. what we have here, by the looks things, is the home the looks of things, is the home secretary for secretary standing up for britain whose direct interests and the british public on the world stage and saying what too many world leaders are too afraid to say . she's got more afraid to say. she's got more balls than most people . and i balls than most people. and i say all power to her. the un refugee convention needs reform. everyone can see it. but apparently it's only the home secretary from britain who is willing to stick her neck out and tell everyone how it really is good on . her that we're is good on. her that we're geanng is good on. her that we're gearing up for this big speech here. it's supposed to take place at around 330. we will have all the controversy afterwards as well from the usual types , doubt. gb views

usual types, no doubt. gb views gbnews.com. if she goes on to say that 780 million people are potentially on their way to europe or britain, that people crossing the channel are not in urgent need that to urgent need that we need to change the definition of a refugee asylum seeker in to refugee and asylum seeker in to order meet modern standards. basically and stop economic grifters would she have your full support? do you think that other world leaders actually will fall in line behind her? but crucially , she is, as she but crucially, she is, as she well knows , as she is about to well knows, as she is about to face a barrage of criticism and hate from people? and it takes stern stuff to know that and do it . most people haven't got that it. most people haven't got that . well, the italian island of lampedusa is, of course, the gateway to europe for many migrants . and our home and migrants. and our home and security editor mark white is there for us. mark, thank you very, very much. it's great to have you there on the ground at this in time times this moment in time and at times perfectly with suella perfectly with what suella braverman expect it braverman is as we expect it about say. so could you give about to say. so could you give us bit of a heads up on us a little bit of a heads up on that? you are at the that? and you are at the absolute coalface kind absolute coalface of the kind of thing she's about,

thing that she's talking about, 780 million people potentially about europe as a about to enter europe as a result of our current definition of refugees. take it away, mark. >> well , that's certainly the >> well, that's certainly the number that would be eligible for refugee status if they were to move and to claim it. but obviously only only a fraction of that number are on the move at the moment. we don't know what the future holds, but this is very much the frontline of europe's migration crisis as it is europe's most southerly island in the mediterr , iranian island in the mediterr, iranian and already so far since just june 60th, 2000 people have crossed and they have been processed here at the migrant centre for the red cross in lampedusa and in terms of italy as a whole. so people that have come to lampedusa, to other italian islands and to the mainland, all ready this year.

patrick, it's 130,000 who've crossed the italian government believed that it will easily top 200,000 by the end of the year. so that just gives you an indication of how significant the problem is. that's one country reports . 200,000 likely country reports. 200,000 likely migrants by the end of the year with that doesn't take into consideration those migrants who are crossing in their thousands to the greek islands or indeed to the greek islands or indeed to spanish islands in the mediterranean and over the other side in the atlantic, going up to the canaries and all the other routes that are coming into the european union through the west and balkans and other routes. as i say, patrick, here, it's been a particularly busy penod. it's been a particularly busy period . and just a week ago , period. and just a week ago, 11,000 migrants crossed the mediterranean. what they're doing at the moment, you can see all of the activity here, police activity , as well as red cross activity, as well as red cross volunteers. they're rushing in to ensure that this migrant

centre is empty to be able to deal with what they believe will be another rush of migrant boats when the winds die down that have been busy over the last five days ago have been quite high by the wind. so i was speaking to serena cornelia , who speaking to serena cornelia, who is the supervisor for all of the red cross camps across italy . red cross camps across italy. and she gave us an indication of just how they're preparing . just how they're preparing. >> if you have a lot of people is more difficult to give the support. but we try to give food, give kit, give psychological support and health support to all the people inside the centre. we have specialised team of psychologists, doctors and operators and volunteers that work with minors . so we that work with minors. so we have tried to take care of all the people inside the centre . the people inside the centre. >> and how are you preparing for the possibility of more boats

when the weather improves? >> yes , absolutely. yes. we are >> yes, absolutely. yes. we are preparing kids with clothes, hygiene kits , food kits in the hygiene kits, food kits in the way to be prepared at the arrival . now you can understand arrival. now you can understand how many people in the uk might feel that this sweltering hot italian island , just not that italian island, just not that far from the north african coast, is really relevant to what they are living day to day in the uk. >> but we know now because previous crossings have told us so, that many of the migrants who cross into to southern europe from north africa eventually make their way up to the northwest coast of france or get across to the uk and then enter many hundreds of hotels right across the country , right across the country, depriving communities of that much needed facility . much needed facility. >> about 3:30. we're going to go

to washington and hear from suella braverman. she's talking about it on the international stage. you're there in lampedusa, which is a gateway stage. you're there in lanmanysa, which is a gateway stage. you're there in lanmany people h is a gateway stage. you're there in lan many people to s a gateway stage. you're there in lanmany people to , a gateway stage. you're there in lanmany people to , asgateway stage. you're there in lanmany people to , as you've! for many people to, as you've just said, then travel through europe get to places like europe and get to places like dunkirk. mark, where there's been rather lot of activity been rather a lot of activity today. >> yeah, it's been a lot of activity on the northwest french coast, and that's because patrick, just like here in lampedusa , where the winds have lampedusa, where the winds have played a part in stopping the small boats for the past five days, it's been the same in the engush days, it's been the same in the english channel, but for a longer period, nine days. but the french police, the riot police, the crs moved in first thing this morning, uh, to a migrant camp near dunkirk, a camp home to hundreds of migrants . camp home to hundreds of migrants. uh, camp home to hundreds of migrants . uh, the camp home to hundreds of migrants. uh, the human camp home to hundreds of migrants . uh, the human rights migrants. uh, the human rights group utopia . 56 were commenting group utopia. 56 were commenting on this raid, saying it's just going to worsen the situation for those migrants , men, women for those migrants, men, women and children in these camps.

however, the french police are unapologetic. they say they have no right to be there. they are there gathering to break the law, to cross illegally to the united kingdom in these small boats. so the police will continue with what are fairly regular operations when these camps get bigger in size and it comes this raid near dunkirk , comes this raid near dunkirk, really just a few hours after the body of a migrant was found on a beach at calais. that 24 year old eritrean woman had been getting on board one of four small boats that made it to the uk this morning when she slipped and fell off that boat into the water. she didn't make it to the shore alive and her body was found just before 6:00 this morning near a beach in calais. >> indeed. look, mark, thank you very much. mark white there, our home security editor from lampedusa. now, as i was saying, we're expecting to hear from suella braverman live in about about minutes time or so .

about ten minutes time or so. so, look, i have made my views pretty clear on it and the views in the inbox are very clear as well. gb views, the gbnews.com about the strength feeling about the strength of feeling towards braverman towards suella braverman standing up and calling for a change definition of what change to the definition of what a and maybe a bit of a refugee is and maybe a bit of common sense about the actual scale of the crisis and whether or be classed or not people should be classed as refugees asylum seekers as refugees and asylum seekers in all circumstances . but of in all circumstances. but of course that's not a universal view. far from it. and how of suella braverman speech? i'm very pleased to say that. i'm joined by michael walker from novara yeah, michael, joined by michael walker from novara very,yeah, michael, joined by michael walker from novara very, very michael, joined by michael walker from novara very, very muchael, joined by michael walker from novara very, very much .el, joined by michael walker from novara very, very much . can thank you very, very much. can we just start with your overview, really assessment of what we understand that suella braverman is going to say? i've outlined it previously. what's your i it's political >> well, i think it's political grandstanding. and i suppose the reason is because reason i say that is because i don't think it actually solves any challenges that don't think it actually solves any currentlyznges that don't think it actually solves any currently faces. that europe currently faces. so talking lgbt people and it talking about lgbt people and it has to be persecuted as opposed to discrimination. now, 2% of asylum last year asylum applications last year involved a claim about being lgbt and i don't think many people are saying, oh, i feel

uncomfortable at work, right? this is people who are coming from countries such as afghanistan are many afghanistan. there are many countries africa countries in sub—saharan africa where be gay, where it's illegal to be gay, where it's illegal to be gay, where the penalty where you have the death penalty for so idea that for being gay. so the idea that we're lots of people we're letting in lots of people for merely being discriminated, for merely being discriminated, for the promotion for not getting the promotion they joke. they want is just a joke. frankly not going to frankly that is not going to resolve anything. that's not going counts as a going to change who counts as a refugee those people refugee because those people aren't being counted as a refugee the other big refugee anyway. the other big issue is or the big claim issue she is or the big claim she is trying to make, what she thinks be this thinks will be this revolutionary saying revolutionary change is saying that through that if people come through a safe they aren't safe country, they aren't genuine . now, at the genuine refugees. now, at the moment, the refugee convention does allow you to send back people to a safe country. so britain, if we wanted to, according to the refugee convention, could say, well, if you come from france, think you come from france, we think you've come a place. you've come from a safe place. so you to so we'll send you back to france. what refugee france. what the refugee convention allow convention doesn't allow you to do send someone back to a do is send someone back to a country deemed unsafe. country which is deemed unsafe. and stopping us sending and what's stopping us sending people back to isn't the people back to france isn't the refugee convention. that we refugee convention. it's that we don't a deal france. refugee convention. it's that we don'tthere a deal france. refugee convention. it's that we don'tthere is deal france. refugee convention. it's that we don'tthere is azal france. refugee convention. it's that we don'tthere is a sort france. refugee convention. it's that we don'tthere is a sort of france. refugee convention. it's that we don'tthere is a sort of logical. now there is a sort of logical problem with this idea that

people always claim people should always claim asylum in the first safe country they arrive in, which is what about those safe countries? right? why greece , who are right? why greece, who are already accepting way more refugees than we are? why would italy. that's already receiving way than we are, way more refugees than we are, suddenly say, okay, fine, if they get to the uk, we'll also take them here. why should take them back here. why should we smaller burden we have such a smaller burden than those countries which are on the border of europe? i don't see anyone else accept that. >> yeah, i suspect that what we will end up with, i mean, what we arguably should end up with at point in the future a at some point in the future is a change in the definition of what a seeker to a refugee or asylum seeker is to meet modern standards, meet with modern standards, which is less for which means that it is less for easy basically anyone claim easy basically anyone to claim that refugee that they're a refugee or an asylum seeker. >> reduce the number of >> so you reduce the number of people who would have a valid claim world as a claim and then the world as a whole some of whole has some kind of international quota system for those so the burden those people so that the burden is manageable. would you go is more manageable. would you go along well i mean, along with that? well i mean, i think a global quota system would be sensible. >> i mean, we're a very long way away from that. so at the

moment, this seems well, moment, this seems like well, i suppose of putting it is suppose one way of putting it is i in of a global i would be in favour of a global quota system. but at the quota system. but britain at the moment than its moment is taking less than its fair share. so we're throwing our out of the pram because our toys out of the pram because we've got 80,000 people arriving. has 300,000 arriving. germany has 300,000 people arriving. france has 200,000 people arriving. why is it country it us as a country? >> geography not party? >> is geography not a party? yeah, i mean, yeah, i suppose. look, i mean, it's geography, a massive it's geography, not a massive part michael. you know, it's geography, not a massive pmean, michael. you know, it's geography, not a massive pmean, youiichael. you know, it's geography, not a massive pmean, youiichaeatyou know, it's geography, not a massive pmean, youiichae at the know, it's geography, not a massive pmean, youiichaeat the size v, i mean, if you look at the size of germany or the size france of germany or the size of france compared i mean, that compared to us, i mean, that would be my argument against that. >> no, i think this argument about geography somewhat about geography is somewhat silly. there's lots silly. i mean, there's lots of space we aren't one space in britain. we aren't one of populated of the most densely populated places world, but not a places in the world, but not a lot of that space has housing on it, it? it, does it? >> geographical. >> it's geographical. >> it's geographical. >> you say? >> sorry, what did you say? >> sorry, what did you say? >> a lot of that space has >> not a lot of that space has actual housing on it. we might have green fields, but we'd have to just to then build more places just specifically for refugees and asylum seekers, which i think suella probably suella braverman would probably be think there is a problem >> i think there is a problem here reason in here whereby for some reason in britain build high britain we can't build high speed can't build speed rail, we can't build houses we say, houses and therefore we say, oh, we possibly any we can't possibly take any refugees. france refugees. now why would france and germany say, oh, we'll send your here? because

and germany say, oh, we'll send y0l accept here? because and germany say, oh, we'll send y0l accept you here? because and germany say, oh, we'll send y0laccept you can't1ere? because and germany say, oh, we'll send y0l accept you can't build because we accept you can't build houses, right? it doesn't make any sense. mean, also like any sense. i mean, i'd also like to against this idea to push back against this idea that be that anyone can claim to be a refugee. not the case. refugee. that's not the case. it's difficult. refugee. that's not the case. it'you difficult. refugee. that's not the case. it'you look difficult. refugee. that's not the case. it'you look at difficult. refugee. that's not the case. it'you look at the cult. refugee. that's not the case. it'you look at the nationalities if you look at the nationalities where people are being accepted as when come to as refugees when they come to the places such as the uk, it's places such as afghanistan we occupied afghanistan that we occupied for 20 who helped 20 years. people who helped the british then british army and then were abandoned . it's places such as abandoned. it's places such as iran, we're currently have iran, where we're currently have crippling on them . so crippling sanctions on them. so we've the economy and we've crippled the economy and now people come we've crippled the economy and now from people come we've crippled the economy and now from they're people come we've crippled the economy and now from they're just people come we've crippled the economy and now from they're just willy ple come here from they're just willy nilly can claim asylum is just not borne out in just a quick one, michael , with you, if one, michael, with you, if that's all right. >> which is i mean, it's already happening. the massive backlash and one she talks, the big backlash be backlash is going to be accusations braverman backlash is going to be accusthomophobic braverman backlash is going to be accusthomophobic and raverman being homophobic and misogynistic because she's saying that, you just saying that, you know, just simply gay or simply by virtue of being gay or a woman, you're going be a woman, you're not going to be able asylum. you have able to claim asylum. you have to i think she's going to have to i think she's going to have to something like you're to say something like you're going to show serious going to have to show serious evidence persecution. do evidence of persecution. ian, do you that a you think that that is a homophobic say? homophobic thing to say? >> not a homophobic >> well, it's not a homophobic policy, it's not a policy policy, but it's not a policy that already it's

that is already you know, it's not different already not different to what we already do. being gay or do. of course, being gay or being woman isn't enough being a woman isn't enough to get . you have get asylum. you have to demonstrate persecution. you demonstrate persecution. but you currently to currently already have to demonstrate persecution . ian so demonstrate persecution. ian so if to be claim if there were to be a claim about why about homophobia, i'd say, why is she making a big deal about this completely relevant policy? she seems to be trying to say that just saying that people just saying they're gay getting asylum gay and then getting asylum is a big well, not that big problem. well, it's not that that's reality. you do that's not the reality. you do have ask question. why is a have to ask a question. why is a politician a big scare politician making a big scare story out of something that isn't happening and potentially that to be whip that might to be whip up homophobia? >> interesting . we'll have >> okay, interesting. we'll have to wait and see. michael, thank you walker you very much. michael walker there media. just a there from novara media. just a little a pre—emption little bit of a pre—emption there what expect suella there to what we expect suella braverman to say very much two sides the here. sides of the coin here. michael's a of michael's view and a lot of people on the left will be, hey, what saying is what you're saying here is rearranging the decking on the titanic actually titanic and we're not actually going any action. going to see any real action. other people will say it is time that the heard world that the world heard a world leader secretary at leader or a home secretary at least and say many least come out and say what many people which is people are thinking, which is that these asylum that a lot of these asylum seekers or refugees are not

genuine and that we to genuine and that we need to change and that change the definition and that actually we cannot have something million something like 780 million people of people over the course of the next making their next few decades making their way europe. to make way to europe. we have to make it for them. and that it harder for them. and that channel migrants are not genuine asylum seekers. more on this story right now, story on our website right now, gbnews.com. it's the fastest growing national site in growing national news site in the got the the country. it's got the best analysis, big opinion, all the latest which we latest breaking news which we will bring to very shortly will bring to you very shortly because building to because we're building up to suella speech. because we're building up to suell'bring speech. because we're building up to suell'bring that speech. because we're building up to suell'bring that live speech. because we're building up to suell'bring that live to peech. because we're building up to suell'bring that live to you:h. because we're building up to suell'bring that live to you at we'll bring that live to you at 3:30. it's a few moments 3:30. it's just a few moments away , patrick christys here on away, patrick christys here on gb britain's news.

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news is . welcome back. news is. welcome back. >> wow, there's not long now until suella braverman big speech on migration. there you go . that's the room at 3:30. go. that's the room at 3:30. it's expected that she will be there in washington, dc. we will bnng there in washington, dc. we will bring it to you live right here on gb news. huge expectations of what she said to say. she said to raise the alarm by saying that around 780 million people could, if they wanted to claim refugee status under the current rules and regs, and that that is national definition of refugees needs to change to adapt to the modern world. she's also expected to say that people in urgent need are not those crossing the channel. why? because they are in safe countries and that we should not be expected to take those people. what that means for the international community. it remains . she's also

remains to be seen. she's also expected to make some comments about people and women about lgbt people and women having too much of an easy right to asylum potentially. so we'll be talking about all of this. let's speak now, though, ahead of all of this with our deputy political editor, tom harwood, who's boy because political editor, tom harwood, who' been boy because political editor, tom harwood, who' been at boy because political editor, tom harwood, who'been at liberalioy because political editor, tom harwood, who'been at liberal democrat.e he's been at liberal democrat conference. listening conference. he's been listening to davey for his sins. and to ed davey for his sins. and very going to very shortly, he's going to be listening braverman very shortly, he's going to be listeningas braverman very shortly, he's going to be listeningaswell. braverman very shortly, he's going to be listeningas well. i'myraverman very shortly, he's going to be listeningas well. i'm noterman very shortly, he's going to be listeningas well. i'm not sure] with us as well. i'm not sure tom can quite hear us, so we'll just come back to me for now. look, it could be seismic. this from suella braverman, because she is the stage. one she is on the world stage. one would will been would imagine it will have been signed and signed off by rishi sunak and it's expected incredibly it's expected to be incredibly punchy stuff . if she stands up punchy stuff. if she stands up there and says that the world now needs to accept that the world has moved on and that the definition that we've had of refugees was designed for a time that no longer exists. and now we have millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions of people from parts of africa and the middle east who are desperate to make asylum claims and refugee claims in the western world, and that that

cannot happen for the sustainability of society . it's sustainability of society. it's a numbers game, potentially. also a cultural game as well . if also a cultural game as well. if she stands up and says that that would be a british home secretary on the world stage, potentially leading the world in terms sticking her head above terms of sticking her head above the parapet, a lot of other world leaders simply world leaders are simply not prepared that. are they prepared to do that. are they for of the inevitable for fear of the inevitable massive backlash that is already coming her way? i don't know about you, but i am braced for the pearl clutching to begin shortly after finishes shortly after she finishes talking. deputy political shortly after she finishes talkingtom deputy political shortly after she finishes talkingtom harwood.)olitical shortly after she finishes talkingtom harwood.)obelieve we editor tom harwood. i believe we now have tom. yes, we do. thank you very much. tom you very, very much. so, tom suella how big suella braverman, how big a moment do you think this could for be her and for britain ? for be her and for britain? >> well, it's certainly significant . it's certainly significant. it's certainly audacious . significant. it's certainly audacious. of significant. it's certainly audacious . of course, suella audacious. of course, suella braverman will not only be speaking to her american , an speaking to her american, an audience at the american enterprise institute today in dc . there are clearly lines in this speech designed for a domestic audience , but also for domestic audience, but also for this to succeed. it needs to reach out beyond these two

countries to an international audience to build a consensus on updating this system, on updating this system, on updating this system, on updating this 70 plus year old system of dealing with migrants , of dealing indeed with asylum seekers. >> i'm sorry about this. we're to going from a time before mass migration now to washington , dc, migration now to washington, dc, where i believe the suella braverman is just about to take the stage. suella is there shortly. i think . there we go. shortly. i think. there we go. so she's on the stage at the moment. she's being introduced. this is her in washington dc. well, make an well, she's expected to make an announcement or a statement anyway about the international definition of a refugee that the un refugee convention is in need of being overhauled. let's just hear what is being said in there now. presented challenges on multiple fronts at once. >> for all of us. humanitarian, economic , political, cultural, economic, political, cultural, legal and many more. every western government has had to find some ways to respond to these in a way that lives up to our obligations to people in need protection around the need of protection around the world. and their obligations world. and to their obligations to citizens . and that

to their own citizens. and that has mean in part working has to mean in part working together, from each together, learning from each other, seeking some common ways forward. the us and the uk , forward. the us and the uk, given all that we have in common, might particularly benefit kind of benefit from that kind of exchange of ideas and that's the sort of conversation that we hope to be starting today. britain's home secretary, suella braverman , is the uk's leading braverman, is the uk's leading policymaker on this front, as well as in related areas like law enforcement , well as in related areas like law enforcement, crime and much of what we hear in america would call homeland security. she's in washington this week to meet with administration with senior administration officials, of officials, with members of congress others on the full congress and others on the full range in her home range of issues in her home office purview, but especially the refugee and global migration dilemma . and we're pleased dilemma. and we're very pleased that could take some time to that she could take some time to offer us her thoughts on those challenges she'll speak challenges today. she'll speak for or so. then we'll for 30 minutes or so. then we'll have a brief discussion and a few questions room. and few questions in the room. and with that home secretary, the floor is yours.

>> thank you very much for the welcome. >> it is always a great pleasure to be here in america and it's a particular privilege to be speaking at the american enterprise institute at an organisation that has contributed so much to the intellectual foundations of the conservative movement in the us and the uk. >> and to our public life more broadly . broadly. >> some of those affiliated with aei have had a significant impact on my own thinking. thomas sowell, james o wilson, justice scalia and britain's sir roger scruton , who was a roger scruton, who was a visiting scholar here for several years . now i'm here in several years. now i'm here in america to talk about a critical and shared global challenge large, uncontrolled and illegal migration. >> it's an exhausting social challenge for the political and cultural institutions of the west , just as it's a basic rule

west, just as it's a basic rule of history that nations which cannot defend their borders will not long survive . not long survive. >> and it is a basic rule of polity ethics that political systems which cannot control their borders, will not maintain their borders, will not maintain the consent of the people , and the consent of the people, and thus not long endure. >> you do not have to be a clairvoyant to see how might this all unfold . to understand this all unfold. to understand the future, cast your mind back a couple of weeks and a few thousand miles southeast of here to the tiny italian island of lampedusa population then 6000 lampedusa, where in a 24 hour period, beginning on the 12th of september, over . 120 boats, over september, over. 120 boats, over 120, 100 boats carrying more than 5000 illegal migrants , made than 5000 illegal migrants, made the 100 mile crossing from tunisia. >> in africa to italy within 48

hours. illegal arrivals outnumbered the local population and a state of emergency had been declared by the 20th of september, at least 11,000 covid had landed with migrants sleeping in the street and stealing food and clashing with the police. the these 11,000 are part of the estimated 133,000 people who've already come to italy illegally by sea in the first six months of this year. that number is almost double the number of arrivals at the same point in 2022 and in 2022, a total of 330,000 illegal border crossings into the eu were detected , an increase of 66% detected, an increase of 66% compared 2021. of course , it's compared 2021. of course, it's worth noting that most numbers relating to illegal migration are approximations. nobody knows

the true number of illegal arrivals and estimates in this area. very rarely turn out to be lower . america faces similar lower. america faces similar challenges . thousands of people challenges. thousands of people illegally crossed the border on a daily basis. illegal illegally crossed the border on a daily basis . illegal migration a daily basis. illegal migration to the us has in recent years gone from just under 2 million. in 2021 to more than 2.8 million this year . in 2021 to more than 2.8 million this year. illegal migration is not merely an event driven or cyclical problem . it's cyclical problem. it's a permanent and structural challenge for the developed nafionsin challenge for the developed nations in general and the west in particular. unless we act, it will only worsen in the years to come. war or political instability and climate change will of course exacerbate late migration flows . according to migration flows. according to the un , at the end of 2022 or the un, at the end of 2022 or over 108 million been forced

displaced people globally . were displaced people globally. were 29 million considered to be refugees by the unhcr . but we refugees by the unhcr. but we must be honest, the fundamental drivers of this epoch defining challenge are economics and demography . challenge are economics and demography. in january, the world economic forum said that migration will become one of the top five global risks in the next decade ahead of national resource crisis. geo economic confrontation and environmental disasters. it's a fallacy that as countries get richer, emigration from them declines . emigration from them declines. as the american economist michael clemens has found, emigration from a country tends to rise until it reaches a level of income of about $10,000 per person before declining world bank data show that more than 3 billion people live in countries where the average income is below this threshold. the

potential for migration to increase yet further is truly colossal . while the raw numbers colossal. while the raw numbers show how demand for migration , show how demand for migration, an legal or otherwise, is likely to surge in the coming years , so to surge in the coming years, so too does personal testimony . a too does personal testimony. a 2021 gallup poll found that 16% of adults worldwide and around 900 million people would like permanently to leave their own country . and those numbers are country. and those numbers are not evenly distributed around the world. 37% of people living in sub—saharan africa , some 481 in sub—saharan africa, some 481 million people and 27% of those living in the middle east and nonh living in the middle east and north africa, around 156 million say they'd like to migrate . but say they'd like to migrate. but the ease with which some of them might reach europe poses a unique and deepening challenge . unique and deepening challenge. the fact is that our countries are, except moeen ali attractive

. 4% of those polled by gallup approximately 40 million people named britain as their preferred destination . an 18% destination. an 18% approximately 162 million people named the usa. these numbers are respectively, more than half of our current total population . our current total population. ssons now those in favour of a more liberal approach when it comes to legal migration tend to say at this point . so what? say at this point. so what? isn't it a good thing that people the world over want to come to the west and contribute? and why can't we absorb and welcome them? and wouldn't the problem of illegal migration be significantly reduced if we made it easier for people to come to our countries legally ? well, our countries legally? well, there are four core arguments in opposition to uncontrolled sold and illegal migration. the civic argument, the practical argument, the practical argument, the practical argument, the security argument and the democratic argument .

and the democratic argument. firstly the civic argument against uncontrolled and illegal migration. an i believe that the nafion migration. an i believe that the nation state is one of humanity's great civil izing forces. it creates a shared identity and a shared purpose , identity and a shared purpose, and that does not need to have a racial component. typically, it binds people of different racial backgrounds together. far from being an ugly emotion, patriots ism stirs people to heroism and to kindness . as it is, the to kindness. as it is, the belief that we have specific obugafions belief that we have specific obligations to others precisely because they are our fellow countrymen. and in order for nationality to be sustainable economically , culturally and in economically, culturally and in terms of public support, it needs to encompass everyone that in turn means that the country can not grow exponentially and

still maintain the harmony needed for everyone to feel that we are all in this together for. and let's remember something thatis and let's remember something that is all too often forgotten integration inevitably takes time. if immigration is uncontrolled, it makes it harder for society to adapt and accommodate new cultures and customs and for communities to meld together uncontrolled immigration, an inadequate integration an and a misguided dogma of multiculturalism has proven a toxic combination for europe over the last few decades. i'm not the first to point this out in 2010, angela merkel gave a speech in which she acknowledged that multi culturalism had utterly failed. and then french president nicolas sarkozy and british prime minister david cameron echoed similar sentiments shortly thereafter .

shortly thereafter. multiculturalism makes no demands of the incomer to integrate. it has failed because it allowed people to come to our society and live parallel lives in it. they could be in the society, but not of society . and society, but not of society. and in extreme cases they could pursue lives aimed at undermining the stability and threatening the security of our society . we are living with the society. we are living with the conflict of that failure today . conflict of that failure today. you can see it play out in the streets all over europe , from streets all over europe, from malmo to paris , brussels to malmo to paris, brussels to leicester . it malmo to paris, brussels to leicester. it is 13 years malmo to paris, brussels to leicester . it is 13 years since leicester. it is 13 years since merkel gave her speech and i'm not sure that very much has changed since . if people are not changed since. if people are not able to settle in our countries and start to think of themselves as british, american, french or german, then something is going

badly wrong . our national badly wrong. our national identity is not something invented in an ivory tower or by advertising executives . the advertising executives. the nafion advertising executives. the nation state has endured because it means something real to almost all of us. and that is true the world over . given how true the world over. given how much it matters. it must be protected. saying so does not make one anti—immigrant, nor doesit make one anti—immigrant, nor does it mean you're anti immigration. i am the child of immigrants and it's no betrayal of my parents story to say that immigrate action must be controlled . there is an optimal controlled. there is an optimal level of immigration. it is not zero, but there have been there has been more migration to the uk and europe in the last 25 years than in all the time that went before it . it has been too went before it. it has been too much , too quick , with too little

much, too quick, with too little thought. given to integration and the impact on social cohesion and the fact that the optimal level is hard to define and will vary across time and for different countries doesn't change that fundamental fact nor should it blind us from this simple truth . if cultural change simple truth. if cultural change is too rapid and too big, simple truth. if cultural change is too rapid and too big , then is too rapid and too big, then what was already there is diluted. eventually i.e. it will disappear . secondly, the disappear. secondly, the practical argument against uncontrolled and illegal migration the unprecedented rise in illegal migration to the uk via small boat crossings from france has put unsustainable pressure on the uk's asylum system and the british taxpayer . approximately 109,000 people have illegally crossed the channel via small boats since 2018, including 45,000 alone last year. consequently, the cost of the uk's asylum system has roughly doubled in the last

year and now stands at nearly £4 billion as a decade ago. the total cost of the taxpayer was around £500 million. the uk is now spending . £8 million a day now spending. £8 million a day on accommodating migrants in hotels and we are not unique in these challenges. of course . in these challenges. of course. in march, roughly one third of all hotel rooms in ireland were being used to accommodate asylum seekers and refugees in new york city is accommodating some 40,000 migrants in hotels . 40,000 migrants in hotels. earlier this month, new york's democratic mayor, eric adams, exclaimed that the migrants crisis will destroy . new york crisis will destroy. new york city. recent analysis suggests that it will cost new york approximately . $10 billion approximately. $10 billion annually to support the roughly 110,000 asylum seekers who have arrived there after crossing the southern border this year.

unless countries can prevent or rapidly remove illegal migrants, pressures on the state will compound over time . um, compound over time. um, accommodation cannot be magicked out of thin air. nor can new schools improve roads. extra police officers or additional health care or any of the other pubuc health care or any of the other public services upon which people rely . immigration is people rely. immigration is behind at least 45% of demand for new housing in england, more than 1 in 5 births are to foreign born mothers due to immigration and high birth rates among foreign born mothers. engush among foreign born mothers. english secondary schools will need to find an extra 213,000 places by 2026, compared . to places by 2026, compared. to 2020. and then, of course, there are the direct financial costs . are the direct financial costs. a 2014 study by university college london concluded that almost no illegal migrants end up paying in taxes.

almost no illegal migrants end up paying in taxes . what they up paying in taxes. what they gained from the state in benefits . thirdly, the national benefits. thirdly, the national security case against uncontrolled and illegal migration, illegal migration also poses obvious threats to pubuc also poses obvious threats to public safety and national security. uk police chiefs have warned me of heightened levels of criminality. connect it to some small boat arrivals , some small boat arrivals, particularly in relation to drug crime, exploitation and prostitution in people who choose to come across the channel illegally from another safe country. have already showed contempt for our laws. president macron claimed that illegal migrants or those waiting for a residence permit accounted for more than half of crime in paris , illegal crime in paris, illegal migration is increasingly a tool exploited by hostile states and those acting on their behalf . those acting on their behalf. vladimir putin weaponized

migration in 2021, sending thousands of asylum seekers via belarus to try to cross into poland and lithuania . in march, poland and lithuania. in march, italy's defence minister said the exponential increase in the migratory phenomenon departing from african shores is also due to a not insignificant extent but part of a clear strategy of hybnd but part of a clear strategy of hybrid warfare that the wagner division is implementing using its considerable weight in some african countries . and fourthly african countries. and fourthly , and perhaps most critically, the democratic case against uncontrolled and illegal migration. opinion polls and successive national votes could not be clearer people the world over want their governments to control all their borders . the control all their borders. the british public backed the uk's rwanda partnership and the government's illegal recent illegal migration act by margins of about 2 to 1 6 in 10 in red

wall seats support stopping migrants and small boats from illegally entering the uk by using any means necessary. illegally entering the uk by using any means necessary . 72% using any means necessary. 72% of eu citizens are in favour of reinforcing eu external borders , and more than half of americans said there was an invasion at the southern border when polled in august 2022. who we allow to come into our country and become one of us is a fundamental social issue. without public consent in immigration is illegitimate , immigration is illegitimate, dismissing as idiots or bigots. those members of the public who express legitimate concerns is not merely unfair to it is dangerous . not merely unfair to it is dangerous. europe is at a critical juncture. the eu must find a way to meet the challenge of illegal migration. ursula and ursula von der leyen's recent visit to lampedusa demonstrates the commission's recognition of the commission's recognition of the severity of the situation

because failure to do so , i because failure to do so, i will, i fear , undermine the will, i fear, undermine the legitimacy of democratic institutions and create the conditions for more extreme politics. the uk is working closely with our european allies, both on the continent and in joint efforts upstream to combat the smuggling gas for europe's borders. and we will always look for ways to deepen our cooperation on security. the most recent example is our new working arrangement with frontex . to address where the solution to all of this might lie . i must to all of this might lie. i must first broach a taboo . one of the first broach a taboo. one of the most significant but underappreciated factors contributing to the global migration crisis is the global asylum framework work? by this i mean the various well intentioned legal conventions and treaties that say in effect , if you are fleeing persecution

somewhere where you are entitled to make a claim for asylum anywhere and irrespective of whether you arrived illegally or pass through multiple safe countries along the way, a country must consider it according to the un, an estimated 50,000 people have died attempting dangerous and illegal migration since 2014. although the actual figure is almost certainly higher. about half of these deaths occurred while attempting to cross the mediterrane an a thousand people died last year trying to cross from mexico to the us and some 150 people have died. attempt to cross the channel by small boat lorry or other clandestine means. in the last five years, all of these people were no doubt seeking a better life. some perhaps many were genuine refugees does. but not all of

them were seeking asylum and seeking better economic prospects. are not the same thing . seeking refuge in the thing. seeking refuge in the first safe country you reach or shopping around for your preferred destination are not the same thing being trafficked, i.e. transport it against your will. perhaps to be sold into sex slavery and being smuggled , sex slavery and being smuggled, i.e. asking someone to sneak you into a country are not the same thing . the extent to which the thing. the extent to which the global asylum framework enables the obscuring of these categories creates huge incentives for illegal migration. this legal framework is rooted in the 1951 un refugee convention. it was created to help resettle people fleeing persecution following the horrors of world war ii and the holocaust and was initially at least centred around europe. it

was an incredibly subtle achievement of its age, but more than 70 years on, we now live in a completely different time jet travel has transformed the cost and comparative ease of moving around the world. the internet has made people acutely aware of how different life is and how much higher wages are in other parts of the world. smartphones enable smugglers to facilitate operations with great ease and smooth communication between those who have undertaken a journey and others who might like to . when the refugee like to. when the refugee convention was signed, it conferred protection on some 2 million people in europe , million people in europe, according to analysis by nick timothy and carl williams. for the centre for policy studies. it now confers the notional right to move to another country upon at least 780 million people. it is therefore

incumbent upon politicians and thought leaders to ask whether the refugee convention and the way it has come to be interpreted through our courts is fit for our modern age or in need of reform . article one of need of reform. article one of the convention defines the term refugee as applying to those who , owing to a well—founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, national party membership of a particular social group or political opinion cannot safely reside in the country of their nationality . elsewhere, the convention speaks of life or freedom being threatened , and i think most threatened, and i think most members of the public would recognise those fleeing a real risk of death , torture, risk of death, torture, oppression or violence as being in need of protection . in, in need of protection. in, however , as case law has however, as case law has developed , what we have seen in developed, what we have seen in practise is an interpretive shift away from persecution in

favour of something more akin to a definition of discrimination and there has been a similar shift away from a well—founded fear towards a credible or plausible fear. fear towards a credible or plausible fear . the practical plausible fear. the practical consequence of which has been to expand the number of those who may qualify for asylum and to lower the threshold for doing so . so let me be clear there are vast swathes of the world, namely difficult to be gay or to be a woman , where individuals be a woman, where individuals are being persecuted. it is right that we offer sanctuary , right that we offer sanctuary, but we will not be able to sustain an asylum system if, in effect simply being gay or a woman or fearful of discrimination in your country, of origin is sufficient to qualify for protection . article qualify for protection. article 31 of the refugee convention makes clear that it is intended to apply to individuals coming

directly directly from a territory where their life was threatened. it also states that where people are crossing borders without permission, they should present themselves without delay to the authorities and must show good cause for any illegal entry. the uk , along illegal entry. the uk, along with many others, including america, interpret this to mean that people should seek refuge and claim asylum in the first safe country. that they reach. but ngos and others, including the un refugee agency, can attest this is the status quo where people are able to travel through multiple safe countries and even reside in safe countries for years while they pick and choose their preferred destination . to claim asylum is destination. to claim asylum is absurd and unsustainable. no body entering the uk by boat from france is fleeing imminent peril . none from france is fleeing imminent peril. none of them from france is fleeing imminent peril . none of them have good peril. none of them have good cause for illegal entry . the

cause for illegal entry. the vast majority have passed through multiple other safe countries and in some instances have resided in safe countries for several years . there is for several years. there is a strong argument that they should cease to be treated as refugees dunng cease to be treated as refugees during their onward movement. there are also many whose journeys originate from countries that the public would consider to be manifestly safe, like turkey or albania or india. in these instances, most are simply economic migrants gaming the asylum system to their advantage . in europe, we've advantage. in europe, we've added through the european convention on human rights additional human rights laws. the global asylum framework is a promissory note that the west cannot fulfil. we have created a system of almost infinite supply, incentivise causing millions of people to try their luck, knowing full well that we have no capacity to meet more

than a fraction of the demand. tragic plea. the ease with which this system can be gamed by those that don't really need it means it is the most vulnerable women, children , those without women, children, those without the money to pay people smugglers and those not fit enough to make arduous journeys that lose out in the uk, roughly 70% of those arriving illegally on small boat are men aged under 40. this is a hypocritical position for the west to maintain, and by creating a market for people smuggling, it is leading to considerable human suffering. so why has the international community so far collectively failed to explore any serious reform of the global asylum framework ? look, i think asylum framework? look, i think there are two main reasons. the first is simply that it's very hard , hard to renegotiate these hard, hard to renegotiate these instrument sets. if you think getting 27 eu member states to agree is difficult,

getting 27 eu member states to agree is difficult , try getting agree is difficult, try getting agreement at the united nations . the second is much more cynical the fear of being branded a racist or illiberal any attempt to reform the refugee convention will see you smeared as anti refugee. similar epithets are hurled at anyone who suggests reform of the echr or its court in strasbourg . i or its court in strasbourg. i reject the notion that a country cannot be expected to respect human rights if it is not signed up to an international human rights organised nation. as if the uk doesn't have a proud history of human rights dating back to magna carta and the echr is all that is holding us back from becoming russia , america, from becoming russia, america, canada , new zealand and japan canada, new zealand and japan seem to manage just fine , and seem to manage just fine, and none of this is particularly novel, nor should it be particularly controversial . as particularly controversial. as home secretary dumas called for

britain to leave the echr and it was conservative party policy under michael howard to leave the refugee convention . i am the refugee convention. i am merely advocating for a form now while the underlying framework is both a contributing factor to the problem and a barrier to certain fixes, some countries have been more successful in tackling illegal migration than others. australia alia had to cope with two major waves of illegal maritime migration across the pacific in the last two decades. in the last wave they were before they stopped they were before they stopped the crossings more than 52,000 unauth authorised maritime arrivals and arrive , and around arrivals and arrive, and around 1100 deaths at sea were recorded between 2008 and 2014. an operation on sovereign borders saw migrant boats intercepted and then those on board were either return whence they had travelled or taken to immigration detention centres in

third countries. there were some 400 illegal boat crossings. in 2013, the year the operation was enacted . within a year, the enacted. within a year, the problem was eliminated . denmark problem was eliminated. denmark between 2015 and 2016 announced a range of measures intended to make their asylum system significantly less attractive as a destination for illegal migration. the result was a reduction in claims from 21,000 in 20 15 to 6000in 2016 and 1500 in 20 15 to 6000in 2016 and 1500 in 2020. for every one asylum seeker that arrived in denmark in 2021, three arrived in sweden on a per capita basis . so unilad on a per capita basis. so unilad oral and bilateral solutions and policies of deterrence can and do work. this is the route the uk has chosen on to go down in 2022, some 12,000 albanian entered the uk illegally via

small boat. in response , we small boat. in response, we strengthened how we worked with albania, including improved data sharing, closer operational working and new expedited returns arrangements and financial support. returns arrangements and financial support . these financial support. these measures have seen the number of albanian small boat arrivals fall by 90% so far during 2023. we also work closely with france last year , the prime minister last year, the prime minister signed a historic bilat agreement to deepen our cooperation in combating illegal migration. that included significant investment to increase front line staffing and policing levels in northern france by better real time intelligence and data sharing supported by embedded uk officers and improved intelligence cooperation to increase disruptions, arrests and prosecutions . this sort of and prosecutions. this sort of cooperation is necessary but not sufficient in terms of results . sufficient in terms of results. overall crossings are down more than 20% so far this year

compared with 2022. the system that we are working to deliver through our legal migration act is one that within the limitations of the broader rights based framework says that the only route to asylum in the uk must be a safe and legal route . anyone who enters the uk route. anyone who enters the uk illegally will be deemed inadmissible to our asylum system and following assessment will be detained and swiftly removed to their home country. if that safe or to a safe third country, if not, then in 2021 we signed our ground breaking migration and economic development partnership with rwanda . under this agreement, rwanda. under this agreement, rwanda. under this agreement, rwanda will accept physical and legal responsibility for illegal migrants, relocate from the uk and look after all their needs while their claims are considered with a full package to support their integration into rwandan society . we always into rwandan society. we always knew that our partnership would be challenged in court and we

remain confident that the uk supreme court will uphold the legality of the scheme later this year, enabling us to start putting it into operation even while our political opponents, ngos and others dismiss the partnership as an immoral gimmick. when it was first announced. it is striking how many countries run by governments of varying political hues have now expressed in pubuc hues have now expressed in public and in private conversation sessions. their support for this model, and many are now pursuing variations of their own . the uk will continue their own. the uk will continue to prioritise policy of deterrence and border hardening alongside elements of safe and legal routes . at the same time, legal routes. at the same time, we will look to build consensus for more fundamental reform of the asylum framework at the international level. the goal for reform must be to embed certain principles in the global asylum framework, deterring illegal migration must be an

aim. countries must have a say in what volume of refugees they are capable of resettling each yeah are capable of resettling each year. support and protection should to the fullest extent possible, be rendered in neighbouring safe countries where it is most efficient to deliver and able to reach those that need it most . the only that need it most. the only route to resettlement should be via safe and legal routes. people must claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. the definition of who qualifies for protection must be tightened and policies of externalisation , such as our partnership with rwanda must be recognised as appropriate. i don't accept the false choice between acting unilaterally or even bilaterally to protect one's border and solving this problem through multilateral cooperation in international cooperation is essential if we are to find endunng essential if we are to find enduring solutions to the challenges of global migration and deliver an asylum framework fit for the modern age. but nafions fit for the modern age. but nations cannot simply sit on

their hands while a reform process plays out . it is right process plays out. it is right that they act in their national interest . i have in recent weeks interest. i have in recent weeks been meeting with fellow interior ministers in europe. i will continue to doing so in the coming months and hope to bring together partners to a forum where we can begin discussing some of the matters that i've touched on today is the refugee convention in need of reform? would a revised global asylum framework work? and how would it look? how can we better balance national rights and human rights so that the latter do not undermine national sovereignty ? undermine national sovereignty? we could the echr be more transparent and accountable , all transparent and accountable, all in how it interprets human rights and give greater power to nafion rights and give greater power to nation states to make arguments and present evidence. what are

the appropriate criteria for being labelled a refugee these days in the 21st century? how can we stop human rights laws as being gamed by smugglers ? are we being gamed by smugglers? are we delivering safe and legal routes in an efficient and effective manner ? and while we may have manner? and while we may have different views as to the solutions, i hope we can at least agree on one thing that we are living in a new world and bound by outdated , dated legal bound by outdated, dated legal models . it's time that we models. it's time that we acknowledge that . thank you . acknowledge that. thank you. >> well, that was suella braverman there speaking in washington, dc. see, there is a heck of a lot to unpack there. so i'm going to do my best to whiz you through it now. she says that europe and britain is overwhelmingly attractive to asylum seekers and refugees. 40 million people say that they

would currently like to come to britain as their preferred destination . she went on to say destination. she went on to say that uncontrolled migration is a bad thing. the nation state is great patriotism is good, and that population cannot grow too quickly because there will be no integration in what she said is that the misguided dogma of multicultural ism is, and i'm quoting now to toxic. she went on to say that there's been more immigration to the uk and europe in the last 25 years than all the time that went before that. she said. it was too much, too quick and too little thought out on social cohesion and integration , she said. a couple integration, she said. a couple of very revealing things, almost no illegal migrants ends up paying no illegal migrants ends up paying in tax. no illegal migrants ends up paying in tax . what they've paying in tax. what they've taken from the state. and i think that is a vital thing to get across almost no illegal migrants will end up paying in tax what they've taken from the state, so they will never be a net benefit really to britain .

net benefit really to britain. and she also said that controlling immigration is the democratic thing to do. and here she made a global point. she said people all over the world want governments to control borders. half of americans call it an invasion at the southern border. she said 72% of europeans want the eu to have greater control of its external borders . i'm quoting now seeking borders. i'm quoting now seeking asylum and seeking better prospects are not the same thing, braverman said she was broaching a taboo. if you're fleeing persecution somewhere, you should not be able to seek asylum anywhere. and this is the point about vast swathes of the world where it's difficult to be gay or to be a woman. she said that we cannot sustain asylum , that we cannot sustain asylum, an asylum system if simply being afraid of persecution qualifies you to it. she says that the global community is too afraid of being called racist or

illiberal to change the definition of refugees . and this definition of refugees. and this is where she kind of built on this global sense. there where she said, brit is really leading the way. i'm paraphrasing here. britain is leading the way when it comes to the illegal migration bill, which of course, would treat anybody who enters migration bill, which of course, wou country anybody who enters migration bill, which of course, wou country illegally who enters migration bill, which of course, wou country illegally aso enters migration bill, which of course, wou country illegally as beingrs this country illegally as being unfit for asylum. the only way to obtain asylum refugee to obtain asylum or refugee status in britain will be via safe and legal routes, she also said that we've got the rwanda plan. bit of a tongue plan. she made a bit of a tongue in many in cheek comment about how many countries initially condemned and rwanda but and opposed the rwanda plan, but who she knows would wish to who now she knows would wish to copy if they were allowed to. copy it if they were allowed to. however is the international however it is the international community and the international definition that is holding that back , and that is the key point back, and that is the key point that she was trying to make. she went was concluding to went on as she was concluding to say single country should say every single country should act in their own best national interests when it comes to border control and border security. and she has called on the world to adopt a new global

framework. she is trying there to make a rallying cry to the world. and she finished by saying that we need to admit and acknowledge and crucially, do something about the fact that we are living in a new world with outdated legal models when it comes to migration, both legal and illegal. heck of a lot to unpack there. get your views coming in on that. vaiews@gbnews.com. is that the kind of statement that you would expect from a home secretary putting britain's interests first? people talk, don't they, about us being world leading that secretary of our that is a home secretary of our country on the world stage issuing a rallying cry to the world. but let's get more reaction now from suella big speech. and joining me from washington, dc, where that speech taking place is now speech was taking place is now gardiner, director of gardiner, who's the director of the margaret thatcher centre for freedom at the heritage foundation. thank you very, very much. now great to have you on the show. a few key points there. overwhelmingly, what she

is calling for is for the world to adopt a new framework to deal and redefine what being a refugee and asylum seeker is because otherwise, frankly, as she puts it , essentially it's she puts it, essentially it's the end of days. >> patrick, great to be here. thanks for having me on the show today. thanks for having me on the show today . i do think the home today. i do think the home secretary's speech was one of the most important speeches. i think , by a british official on think, by a british official on us many years . and i us soil in many years. and i think that she conveyed absolutely the right the right message , which is that illegal message, which is that illegal migration is unacceptable. it's a huge global crisis. action has to be taken. and i think suella braverman was absolutely right to address the un convention on refugees from 1951. but also the echr as well. and it is time, i think, for the world's leaders to address the fundamental threat posed by illegal migration and to act upon it. so it was a call to arms and i do think it was a very robust

speech. it could have been stronger in some in some respects. >> okay. go on, talk to me about that then. now. so how do you think she should have been stronger? >> yeah, think that firstly , >> yeah, i think that firstly, she should have talked about britain leaving the echr european convention on human rights. the reality is that the uk cannot deal with the migrant crisis unless it leaves the echr . that is the reality. now, there's a lot of debate in cabinet over this. the prime minister has not yet adopted that position and this is why i think the speech did not go down that particular path . but the uk that particular path. but the uk has to get out of the echr . it has to get out of the echr. it is a shackle for the british people. if the if the uk is to be truly sovereign, it has to leave the european convention. now also, of course, she addressed the un refugee convention. she called for it to be reformed. but the reality is that reform within the united nafionsis that reform within the united nations is virtually impossible

at and i think that and she went to on say now that really she thought it was impossible for a reason that i think many people will agree with the international community, as indeed individuals are too indeed many individuals are too afraid of being called racist or illiberal in order to deal with a problem. a very real problem. >> essence , that they >> and in essence, that they would rather sit back would probably rather sit back and the world burn as and watch the world burn as opposed to actually sticking their parapet their head above the parapet and doing it's doing something. and it's on that i'll put my final that nail that i'll put my final point which is suella point to you, which is suella braverman. been braverman. i think has been incredibly standing incredibly brave today, standing up and actually saying a lot of stuff that she knows will other people are too afraid to say , people are too afraid to say, yeah, absolutely. >> this is a courageous speech, a brave speech , she said a lot a brave speech, she said a lot of tremendous things here that reflect the british national interest. full credit to suella braverman for delivering this address. it's an address, of course, that the biden administration will absolutely hate. yeah. which is all the more reason why this is a good speech on us soil. >> yeah. no, thank you very much. to you straight much. great to have you straight off, the press there of off, hot off the press there of suella it's now

suella braverman. it's now gardner there, the director of suella braverman. it's now garimargarete, the director of suella braverman. it's now garimargaret thatcherctor of the margaret thatcher foundation, of course is the margaret thatcher fo washington, of course is the margaret thatcher fo washington, dc, )f course is the margaret thatcher fo washington, dc, where se is the margaret thatcher fo washington, dc, where suella in washington, dc, where suella braverman was. it's my pleasure to joined by to say i'm now joined by conservative mp mckinlay. conservative mp craig mckinlay. craig, much. craig, thank you very much. it has the feel of historic has the feel of a historic speech that think from suella speech that i think from suella braverman. she was trying to bnng braverman. she was trying to bring it potentially bring in, soften it potentially quotes angela quotes from people like angela merkel that merkel saying that multiculturalism failed and multiculturalism has failed and saying that national identity in the nation state has endured because it means something to all of us, and that must be protect it. what was your overall takeaway from what you heard there from suella? >> i'm really pleased that what seemed to have been the unspun taken things that nobody's brave enough talk about. taken things that nobody's brave enowell, talk about. taken things that nobody's brave enowell, brave about. taken things that nobody's brave enowell, brave braverman has >> well, brave braverman has actually now saying it . and i actually now saying it. and i think she is very much striking a chord with with most british people who can see that the old united nations convention of 1951, a very, very different world, really only anticipates eating 2 or 3 million people that would be affected or improved by it. that would be affected or improved by it . and suella has improved by it. and suella has come up with 780 million people.

would potentially get through under the terms and the interpretations of that convention that is now what are we, 72 years old? the world has changed massively. the potential for movement of people has changed massively and you only have to look at what's happening and amassing of a lot of generally young men in libya at the moment trying to get over to lampedusa and then into the eu . lampedusa and then into the eu. and no doubt some will try and get here. >> she she called the craig craig just on that just on that she essentially called that an act of modern warfare. she alluded to intelligence which suggests that groups like the wagner group linked to putin and russia are helping with the migrant crisis and with an invasion of europe by people as an act of modern warfare there. i thought that was incredibly strong . strong. >> that is a strong statement. but we saw it already in the build up or just after the build up orjust after the ukraine war started with what was happening on the belarus

poush was happening on the belarus polish border . there was, polish border. there was, i think , an anticipation of think, an anticipation of creating instability in poland . creating instability in poland. and a very big supporter of ukraine to actually allow belarus to be, if you like, a soft underbelly route into to the european union . belarus the european union. belarus didn't really require any visas or anything else from people travelling to minsk on international airlines. and they then went over to the polish border. and at the time even the army was helping poland to actually protect that border. and i understand over the last few days similar is happening again. but what the debate that we have to have is what is a genuine refugee ? and i think we genuine refugee? and i think we all know one, if we see one, they are most certainly the women and children that have come out of ukraine. i struggled to see that these are particularly albanians. i mean, that was just a ridiculous state of affairs. we saw last year, thankfully, a returns agreement has now come into place and those numbers have reduced . but those numbers have reduced. but the sort of the flimsiness of

the sort of the flimsiness of the interpretation, i think, has been now flexed beyond any any credible reason . an suella said credible reason. an suella said there's potentially 780 million people you could, you know, anticipate myanmar, old burma and old money that is under a dreadful regime. the potential of 53 million people would have a right under these conventions. now, no matter how heartfelt we all are, the reality is our nafions all are, the reality is our nations cannot support this number of people and interpretations, particularly about economic migrants. it seems to be the one that we're not prepared to say and i'm sorry. i do not believe that all of these young men trying to go from libya into lampedusa are genuine refugees . no, they're genuine refugees. no, they're having a hard time in some tough countries. that's it. and i'm afraid that isn't the interpretation of what's happening in the us as well . happening in the us as well. they have got massive border incursions and the last time i looked, most of south america. tough place to be, but i don't

think really goes along with the un convention. that's it. >> right. so she's calling for common sense on the world stage now, in she wants the now, as in she wants the international to international community to wake up need to do as up and say what we need to do as a l up and say what we need to do as a , right. is say a planet, right. is say essentially that some people have a better lot in life than others. might be others. and that might be regrettable , but your case for regrettable, but your case for actually being a refugee an actually being a refugee or an asylum seeker and allowing to enter a country illegally and then stay there should not be determined about whether not determined about whether or not you want better life, you just want a better life, which think, frankly, most which i think, frankly, most people dare say people most people, i dare say probably agree with, probably would agree with, right? probably right? most people probably would agree with. but she makes this there are four this point that there are four cases for us doing something as an international community, updating the un refugee convention and basically controlling borders. she says that that was civic and she went to make the point about immigration, for example, is responsible for 45% of new housing demands. she says responsible for 45% of new housing demands . she says that housing demands. she says that schools will have to find 213,000 new places by 2026. 1 in 5 births are to foreign born mothers in the uk, she said. she

said security. she then looked internationally well, not that far. but she went to paris and said that half of crime now apparently in paris, according to macron, is as to emmanuel macron, is as a result of illegal migration, fascinate rating. if true. of course, practical . we all know course, practical. we all know what the practical problems there are democratic. and there are and democratic. and that's she said 72% of that's where she said 72% of europeans want tighter external border control. half of americans would call what's going on at the southern border an invasion. those are compelling arguments . and if the compelling arguments. and if the international community does not react to this, and if they are, as she suggests too afraid of being called racist and illiberal to do anything about it, does that leave it, then where does that leave us, have to leave us, craig? do we have to leave the what do we do if the the echr? what do we do if the world does nothing ? world does nothing? >> well, the echr certainly has not helped our position. i've not helped our position. i've not been one of those that have been clamour ing to leave the echr even though i would very much support it it was put on much support it if it was put on the and i'll you one the table. and i'll give you one of the figures that i quite of the figures that i find quite remarkable. we've lot of remarkable. we've got a lot of our are domestically our problems are domestically created . we've created created. we've created pull

factors ourselves under the factors for ourselves under the same un convention, the same echr the average yes rate for a refugee application across the eu is a mere 15 to 20. ours is 75% based on the same framework and the same menu . i've always and the same menu. i've always found that rather intriguing . so found that rather intriguing. so is it little wonder that people say, do you know what i'm going to pass through all those safe countries in the eu? they could settle any of them . and let's settle in any of them. and let's try give it a go in the uk try our give it a go in the uk because if we can get over there for a mere £4,000 at the hands of a people smuggler, i've got a much better chance of getting a successful application. and what else not, you know, it's nice to be put in some great accommodation over a long period and the opportunity of working in the underground economy. so i think a lot of this is of our making well. the really making as well. but the really key point here, patrick, is it's all well having these all very well having these lovely international accords and they're all soft and cosy when they're all soft and cosy when they're written and discussed,

but when they hit the ground of democracy and it does not accord with what our people want, then i'm afraid there is only one master in our nation that is the people. and that is what parliament needs to deliver. it's getting that serious now. it's getting that serious now. it really is getting. that's what's that's really the point you're trying to make to emphasise to the world how serious this is for the world, not just for britain. >> she finished by saying, we are living world bound are living in a new world bound by outdated legal models and thatis by outdated legal models and that is essentially craig final question to you. was that just an audition to be the next leader of the conservative party? do you think ? and if so, party? do you think? and if so, was it a good one? >> i don't think so, no . well, >> i don't think so, no. well, it's great red for meat i think most of the population . it most of the population. it shouldn't be throwing red meat to the population in these should be standard things that are sensible. government should do and provide. it's the sort of thing that i espouse because i know that this is what my population in my electorate in south thanet want to hear and

they want to see delivered. so no, i think we should forget that sort of election year and all the rest of it. this is frankly the right thing to do and i take my off to. and i take my hat off to. >> it's interesting actually. i've a tweet out from i've just seen a tweet out from emmanuel. craig, by emmanuel. thank you, craig, by the leave that there. the way. i'll leave that there. craig mckinley great stuff. thank coming thank you very much for coming on. conservative mp for on. let's conservative mp for i've seen which i've just seen a tweet which appears quote emmanuel macron appears to quote emmanuel macron saying the saying we cannot embrace all the misery is misery of the world, which is interesting indeed is interesting if indeed that is the international the initial international reaction just reaction to what we've just heard suella heard there from suella braverman, maybe braverman, then i think maybe she's but let's she's on to something. but let's go the italian island of go now to the italian island of lampedusa, which is the gateway to so many migrants, to europe for so many migrants, the of people the the kind of people there, the suella was talking the kind of people there, the suellawith was talking the kind of people there, the suellawith wa securityi about with our home security edhon about with our home security editor, thank editor, mark white. mark, thank you very much. well, yeah, reaction course, to reaction there, of course, to suella reaction there, of course, to suelyou you are very much also you are you are very much at the epicentre of the kind of thing she's talking about. you know, potentially millions of people getting to islands like lampedusa, into europe. mark >> yes. i mean , she has >> yes. i mean, she has highlighted how she believes that when it comes to the refugee convention in

particular, she believes that that system , that asylum system that system, that asylum system is being gamed and really in some startling facts, she highlighted, that really should bnng highlighted, that really should bring it home to lots of people in the uk about how the asylum system is impacting another nations. we know that there are 50,000 people, asylum seekers who are in hotel accommodation in the uk, but suella braverman telling her audience there that in march of this year , a third, in march of this year, a third, one third of all the hotels in ireland were given up for a use by asylum seekers. now that's a country, of course, that relies on hotels for its very significant tourism trade. new york, another city that has a very big tourist trade, 40,000 hotel rooms are being given over to asylum seekers as well. so a very significant impact in

multiple places around the world, which is why suella braverman wants to see western countries in particular coming together on this issue. and she really pointed to lampedusa as being the front line of the crisis in europe and highlighted to her audience just what lampedusa has had to suffer in recent months. this is what she said . said. >> lampedusa , where in a 24 hour >> lampedusa, where in a 24 hour period, beginning on the 12th of september, over 120 sea boats , september, over 120 sea boats, over 120, 100 boats carrying more than 5000 illegal migrants , made the 100 mile crossing from tunisia. >> in africa to italy within 48 hours. illegal arrivals outnumbered the local population and a state of emergency had been declared by the 20th of

september, at least 11,000 had landed with migrants sleeping in the street , stealing food and the street, stealing food and clashing with the police. these these 11,000 are part of the estimated 133,000 people who've already come to italy. illegal by sea in the first six months of this year. that number is almost double the number of arrivals at the same point in 2022 . and the people of 2022. and the people of lampedusa are really feeling this migration crisis acutely. >> where we are now is down at the harbour as these winds blow. the winds that are preventing the migrant boats from coming. the rain is starting now as well. but down here in the harbour you can see the fishing boats there . they're tied up for boats there. they're tied up for the moment because as of the winds here, they're not able to go out to sea . but fishermen go out to sea. but fishermen that we've been speaking to, patrick, have told us that it's

been very difficult for them in recent months because so many of these boats you heard suella braverman saying 120 boats that had crossed it in just a 24 hour period. well, they see these boats out at sea and then they have to intervene to help them because of the rules at sea of saving lives . and that means saving lives. and that means their work for the day is effectively over . they have to effectively over. they have to wait for the coastguard to come and pick them up and just next to the fishing boat here, actually , she is one of those actually, she is one of those coastguard vessels gearing up for what they know will be another sustained wind and busy penod another sustained wind and busy period as surge that they're expecting later in the week when this windy condition that's sweeping through the island at the moment, the wind and the rain that subsides and we get back to what we expect at this time of year and more mediterranee ionian type

conditions as but we were speaking a little earlier to one of the senior red cross officials on the island, sarina cornelia , who told us what they cornelia, who told us what they were doing to prepare for this migrant surge later in the week i >> -- >>a -- >> a lot of people is more difficult to give the support, but we try to give food, give kit , to give psychological kit, to give psychological support and help support to all the people inside the centre . we the people inside the centre. we have specialised team of psychologists , doctors and psychologists, doctors and operators and volunteers that work with minors. so we have tried to take care of all the people inside the centre. >> and how are you preparing for the possibility of more boats when the weather improves? >> yes, absolutely. yes we are preparing kids with clothes hygiene kits , food kits in the

hygiene kits, food kits in the way to be prepared at the arrival . arrival. >> well, with no sign of the migrant boats yet under standardly because they could never cross in these conditions . the coastguard is just on standby. the helicopter was up sweeping over the coastline earlier today. but all of the coast guard and the police patrol vessels are in port waiting for, we think about wednesday into thursday is when these conditions will begin to subside . subside. >> okay. great stuff. look, ma, thank you very, very much. you won't need your factor 50 today, that's for sure. mark white, there, homeland editor there, homeland security editor in rainy lampedusa. in a windy and rainy lampedusa. look, massive intervention there from the home secretary in washington . as you've been washington. as you've been hearing, she's really it hearing, she's really stuck it to international community, to the international community, trying away trying to shift the focus away from own from potentially britain's own shortcomings , i.e, we can't shortcomings, i.e, we can't control boats at the moment control the boats at the moment and the international and saying the international community of community needs to do a heck of a more and that they are a lot more and that they are afraid being racist afraid of being called racist and illiberal for not changing

the definition what a refugee the definition of what a refugee is and urging them to do it before it's too late. she says. the for case more border control in every country is civic. it is about security, it is about democracy , rac as well. and of democracy, rac as well. and of course it's about practicality. it was an incredibly strong speech. i'm going to go to your views shortly. views very shortly. vaiews@gbnews.com. over 1 million positive so far . vaiews@gbnews.com. over 1 million positive so far. i will try get to your email try and get to your email shortly. more on this on our website right now and gbnews.com is to be fastest is the place to be fastest growing news site in growing national news site in the country. all the best analysis big opinion of analysis, big opinion and of course all the latest breaking news loads more still to come between now and 5:00. a woman who helped organise black who helped organise the black lives protest, which saw lives matter protest, which saw slave edward colston slave trader edward colston statue toppled, has admitted food fraud. interesting choice of attire there on the way into court . first of attire there on the way into court. first is of attire there on the way into court . first is your latest court. first is your latest headunes court. first is your latest headlines with paul coyte . headlines with paul coyte. >> patrick, thank you. the top stories, the home secretary has said today, migrants arriving in

small boats had put an unsustainable pressure on the uk's asylum system and the british taxpayer delivering her speech in washington today , speech in washington today, suella braverman also argued that being discriminated against for being gay or a woman wasn't enough to qualify for asylum. all so in the news today, the mayor of greater manchester says he could take legal action against the government if the northern leg of hs2 is scrapped. andy burnham says labour will build hs2 if it wins the election because a failure to do so would have massive implications for the north, where individuals are being persecuted . persecuted. >> and it is right that we offer sanctuary. but we will not be able to sustain an asylum system if in effect simply being gay or a woman or fearful of discrimination in your country of origin is sufficient to qualify for protection . qualify for protection. >> and that was suella braverman speaking in washington a short time ago. more on all those stories by heading to our

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on. gb news. >> yes. welcome back. now suella braverman is just in a massive speech on immigration an we're going to get some reaction very shortly from member of the shortly from a member of the lgbt conservative community, me, because one of the things she said there, of course, was that being conservative sorry, being conservative, freudian slip, being is no a being gay is in no way a precursor to just being accepted as an asylum seeker. but before that, a fresh tory split over hs2 seems to be heading down the track over rishi sunaks plans to axe the link between birmingham and manchester over escalating costs. the reports come amid claims that hs2 executives have acted like kids with the golden credit card. but tory grandees , credit card. but tory grandees, including boris johnson, george osborne , lord heseltine, have osborne, lord heseltine, have warned that rishi sunak not to scrap the project. here is what the mayor of greater manchester had to say about the prime minister's plans when he spoke to gb news political editor christopher today. christopher hope earlier today. >> for 15 years or more, kind of , many people in the greater

metro system have been working , many people in the greater metry at ystem have been working , many people in the greater metry at the m have been working , many people in the greater metry at the government'snorking , many people in the greater metry at the government's request hard at the government's request to bring through these plans. we've devoted hours and hours and hours of time . all of our and hours of time. all of our development plans are linked to it. if they pull the plug, they are kind of ripping the heart out of the economic development plan for greater manchester and parts of the north. so all opfions parts of the north. so all options would absolutely be on the table . the table. >> gb news is business and economics editor liam halligan is with us now with on the money . brockman's taken a lot of the heat off this but this is a massive story in relation to hs2 and i believe you've been crunching the numbers in terms of the costs, haven't you? >> i've been looking >> i have. i've been looking at hs2 ever it was hs2 for years, ever since it was first proposed in 2010. by then labour chancellor alistair darling. alistair darling told me three years later i didn't think they'd be stupid enough actually to do it. so this is a vexed question. hs2 was meant to be from london to birmingham, then birmingham to manchester and birmingham to leeds. the

leeds branch was scrapped last yeah leeds branch was scrapped last year. branch year. now the manchester branch could well be scrapped just as the start party the tories start their party conference in manchester next to a disused railway. and by the way, as we up to manchester way, as we go up to manchester and come back, there's rail and come back, there's a rail strike. so have a yeah, strike. so let's have a yeah, let's have a look at some of the costs over the years. i've got a little, know you little, little graph. i know you like i love a graph. like a graph. i love a graph. you're numbers really. you're a numbers man. really. back 2010, billion, 33 back in 2010, 30 billion, 33 billion of later, billion a couple of years later, 56 billion by 2015, 80 billion by 70 by by 2079. and then we're up at 107 billion. that's the latest estimate. that's an unofficial one from a guy called michael bing, who is a very well respected consultant who's worked for both hs2 and network rail until they started , he rail until they started, he started giving them answers that they didn't like . so huge they didn't like. so huge amounts of money. that's like three times the defence budget. europe's most expensive railway . and now we've got a situation where the birmingham and manchester bit may not even happen, in which case we're

spending upwards of 100 billion on a third railway line from london to birmingham . you can london to birmingham. you can already go from euston to birmingham. good birmingham. perfectly good service. you can go from marylebone hill, marylebone to snow hill, birmingham the chiltern birmingham through the chiltern line. another perfectly good service. to have service. now we're going to have a but of course , a third service. but of course, still the north of england , still in the north of england, those small towns, those commuter towns , they can't get commuter towns, they can't get into manchester, into liverpool and leeds , and to sheffield, into leeds, into york on those commuter lines. the commuter lines are slow , diesel powered, infrequent slow, diesel powered, infrequent trains, very, very crowded . trains, very, very crowded. imagine if we'd spent. the 20 or 30 billion we've so far spent on hs2 on proper improvement. that's to railways in the north of england. >> yeah, and this is exactly the point i'm going to ask you now. would it make greater economic sense for the north of england, for the midlands , for the east for the midlands, for the east of etcetera , to have of england, etcetera, to have better connectivity in amongst themselves as opposed to just having a direct quicker route to london? >> patrick, i can't tell you .

>> patrick, i can't tell you. i'm not a a trained nerd. i'm just a journalist who's interested in this area . but interested in this area. but people like me, you know , proper people like me, you know, proper railway insiders have been saying for years, if you want bang for your buck and this is all taxpayers money, the private sector isn't putting its money up because it doesn't up for hs2 because it doesn't believe case. it doesn't believe in the case. it doesn't believe in the case. it doesn't believe business believe there's a business case. this is all state money, which is why there's such a cost escalation, because there's no other everyone's other people's money. everyone's got nose the trough, got their nose in the trough, all engineering consultants, got their nose in the trough, all the engineering consultants, got their nose in the trough, all the big ineering consultants, got their nose in the trough, all the big landed] consultants, got their nose in the trough, all the big landed vestedltants, all the big landed vested interests who've bought up land up and down the line, but almost everyone within the rail industry who isn't directly making their living from hs2 , making their living from hs2, who will tell you that the bang for the buck is if you link together our great northern cities into an alternative growth centre to london. it's an economy to rival london. those northern cities linked together better connections into and in between the smaller towns in the north going into the bigger cities, because that's often where the work is. and yet i know i've spent a lot of time up

in the north of england making films, living up there for a while. the commuter services into the big cities are useless. they're constantly delayed, constantly overcrowded . you constantly overcrowded. you often can't get on the train because they're diesel trains. patrick so you can't have, you know, they can't pull many carriages there . infrequent. carriages there. infrequent. they can't accelerate. you can't get that many of them on the line. you know, so many of the trains in the north, about 70% aren't electric. diesel aren't electric. they're diesel .spend aren't electric. they're diesel . spend on . spend the money on electrifying our rail system in the north, spend the money on getting rid of the pinch points that the network. that really upend the network. places like the castlefield corridor going across central manchester. ridiculous that that hasn't been widened . it's the hasn't been widened. it's the whole network goes into one line in either direction an impacts rail all the way across the north of england north—west up to scotland. a few billion quid and you could solve it. and yet it's countless billions apparently on hs2. >> liam, thank you very , very >> liam, thank you very, very much. really fascinating stuff. and problem that's and a problem of course, that's not time not going away any time soon.

liam halligan there, our business and economics editor with now we've just with on the money now we've just about time squeeze about got time to squeeze something which is, something else in, which is, i think, important reaction, think, an important reaction, actually reaction actually a necessary reaction genuinely suella genuinely to what suella braverman said. she said braverman has said. she said that simply being gay is not enough of a reason for someone to be given asylum in the uk. i think she's pandering there too. whether it is accurate or not, you know, an increasing sense that maybe people are essentially pretending to be gay in order to be granted asylum in this country. gb news presenter an concern board member. an lgbt concern board member. albie amankona joins me right now. alby, how do the lgbt concern relatives react to what suella braverman has had to say ? >> well, 7- >> well, i ? >> well, i think 7 >> well, i think most concern , >> well, i think most concern, if not all conservatives, will have heard suella braverman speak today and actually agree with a large part of what she has said. >> essentially what she is calling for is reform of the un refugee convention and reform of the echr. she's not calling to leave the echr like theresa may

did when she was home secretary. she's not calling to leave the un refugee convention pension like michael howard's administration when he was in opposition was calling for. so what she is asking for is reform of the definition of a refugee and i think a lot of people can get behind that. >> and she's asking for a reform of the international system of refugees because clearly when 780 million people could be considered refugees , we have to considered refugees, we have to ask question whether or not ask the question whether or not the system is fit for purpose. >> yeah, headlines is >> yeah, the headlines is obviously you will be aware as well. she'd even made well. before she'd even made this speech because we an this speech because we had an advance some the advance sight of some of it, the headunes advance sight of some of it, the headlines across the bbc, across the independent, across the guardian and across several other outlets were overtly criticising her for potentially being anti gay as a result of what she said about being gay , what she said about being gay, not being an automatic right to claim asylum in a country. was it anti gay ? it anti gay? >> well, the speech itself was

not anti gay. i think what she said in the speech is where there were genuine cases where people were facing persecution . people were facing persecution. and then, of course, we should be offering them sanctuary. but where is not where there is not a well—founded fear of discrimination, just just a fear of discrimination, she didn't think that that was that was a factor to allow someone to essentially shop around after they've already crossed the mediterranean, gone italy, mediterranean, gone to italy, then france , then climb, then gone to france, then climb, claim asylum anywhere they pick in the entire world. you know, the lgbt people, if there are any, indeed who are crossing the channel not channel from france are not leaving for fear of leaving france for fear of persecution or indeed discrimination. they're leaving france because they want to come here because they think it's going to better country for going to be a better country for them live in. them to live in. >> one more quick one with >> just one more quick one with you, for this. you, albie. thank you for this. i what she was really i think what she was really trying to do was that with trying to do was say that with things the illegal things like the illegal migration with things migration bill and with things like plan , britain is like the rwanda plan, britain is getting right, but we're like the rwanda plan, britain is gettin let right, but we're like the rwanda plan, britain is gettin let down but we're like the rwanda plan, britain is gettin let down byt we're like the rwanda plan, britain is gettin let down by thee're being let down by the international community because they their they need to change their definitions out definitions and help us out a bit and protect your own

borders. think that's borders. do you think that's quite tactic quite a useful tactic politically they can go, politically so that they can go, look, we can. look, we are doing all we can. it's world's problem and it's the world's problem and we've told them to act. >> i think only to going >> i think it's only to going get far. ultimately if get her so far. ultimately if this government is not able to stop the boats or indeed fulfil the five pledges that they've made the british people, all made to the british people, all labour to the next labour have to do at the next election signpost towards election is signpost towards the five say that the five pledges and say that the tory has failed on tory government has failed on all there's only so much all three. there's only so much talking can do and we really need to get some action if the tories are going to stand a chance at the next general election. >> abby, you very much. >> abby, thank you very much. always cadence always getting the cadence right. lgbt right. albie amankona there lgbt conservatives board member andrew obe news presenter. interesting. really i think because there will be so much pushback to what suella braverman said, the usual types, they're force. braverman said, the usual types, they'iwere force. braverman said, the usual types, they'iwere out force. braverman said, the usual types, they'iwere out in force. braverman said, the usual types, they'iwere out in force orce. braverman said, the usual types, they'iwere out in force before they were out in force before she speech saying that she made her speech saying that she made her speech saying that she was anti gay, saying that there homophobia there was homophobia to here saying there was misogyny, saying there was misogyny, saying that was racism. saying that there was racism. all from what all of that stuff from what you've play you've heard, and we'll play you clips when i come clips of it again when i come back. do you think that there was any truth what those

was any truth to what those allegations all? she's allegations are at all? she's basically the basically telling the international community to get their and their backsides in gear and stop their backsides in gear and stop the for ride the world being taken for a ride by something like the 780 million be about million people who may be about to way europe and to make their way to europe and potentially britain. but moving on, matter on, a black lives matter activist to activist has pleaded guilty to fraud after £30,000 went missing. christys gb missing. patrick christys gb news, news .

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news. >> welcome back. you're watching or listening to me. patrick christys on gb news at five. my reaction to suella braverman was major speech on refugee ease. i'll also get the views of a labour mp that should be fascinating. bit of a ding dong there, a woman who there, but a woman who was involved in black lives involved in the black lives matter protest that led to edward colston's statue being thrown into bristol harbour has pleaded guilty to fraud after £30,000 mysteriously went missing jerusalem admitted one count of fraud by abuse of position. she set up a go fund me page in 2020 before for the colston process. now any money left over was due to be given to a charity, but none of the money is alleged have been handed is alleged to have been handed oven is alleged to have been handed over. fascinating joining me now is gb presenter nana akua is gb news presenter nana akua nana. have you on the nana. great to have you on the show. much. show. thank you very, very much. i do you make this ? >> well, 7- >> well, to 7— >> well, to be 7 >> well, to be honest with you, patrick, i'm not even slightly surprised at all of this. if you look at the sort of background of black lives matter, because she was kind of working in their name. patrisse cullors she was

one founding of one of the founding members of black in the states. >> and of course, there was huge question over what happened a question over what happened to a lot that she lot of the money that she acquired from black lives matter. >> i think they got made about 90 million in terms of dollars. they're just literally capitalising on white guilt, which is what they called it themselves. so it makes it really is no surprise that this woman, zara saleem, think her name is. i that's how you name is. i think that's how you say 23. apparently, it say it. she's 23. apparently, it was £30,000 that she had was about £30,000 that she had got on a gofundme page. it was meant for masks and things like that people at that for people at the demonstration in what was left was meant to a charity was meant to go to a charity called your mindset. and in the end, course, that money end, of course, that money didn't go the and didn't go to the charity. and it's quite sad because near the end, you read through the end, as you read through the article, it seems as though that charity of people, young charity was of people, young people, aren't people, who many of whom aren't here . so it sounds like here anymore. so it sounds like that was her and it was to take them africa. you know , them to africa. so, you know, this comes no great surprise this comes as no great surprise . it a lot and . um, and i hear it a lot and these are people who are capitalising using on a form of white guilt really making a lot

of people feel guilty and cadging on the back of something, toppling that statue. >> of course, very posh names of people toppled the statue . people who toppled the statue. >> face any criminal >> they didn't face any criminal charges, i find charges, which i find astonishing. but you know, it's in there in her interests, especially in a lot of black people interests, some of them supporting matter to supporting black lives matter to keep this victimhood narrative going because there's money in it . there's being it. there's money in being a victim . i mean, harry and meghan victim. i mean, harry and meghan have showed you that if there's if there's any anything be if there's any anything to be seen. that's why a lot seen. but that's why a lot of them wouldn't like someone like seen. but that's why a lot of the|who»uldn't like someone like seen. but that's why a lot of the|who»uldn"itike someone like seen. but that's why a lot of the|who»uldn"it out someone like seen. but that's why a lot of the|who»uldn"it out andzone like seen. but that's why a lot of the|who»uldn"it out and says,ike me who calls it out and says, look , you know, black lives look, you know, black lives matter, name itself is matter, the name itself is divisive. the movement is divisive. the movement is divisive . and in the end, guess divisive. and in the end, guess what turns out that some of the organisers there are embroiled in what will appear to be fraud. it is no surprise at all. >> patrick no, exactly. and what do you make of the way that she turned up to court? i think we've got a picture people we've got a picture for people listening radio talk you listening on radio to talk you through. it doesn't take me too long you through it. long to talk you through it. basically, she's wearing a burqa. you go with

burqa. so there you go with glasses on as well. mean, what glasses on as well. i mean, what do that? and a heavy do you make of that? and a heavy raincoat. there raincoat. i mean, is there something of the coward about that, do you think? something of the coward about tha well, you think? something of the coward about tha well, you thinisomething >> well, there is something i mean, might she mean, listen, she might she she may she's muslim, may say she's muslim, which perhaps why perhaps she is. and that's why she's burqa. and the she's wearing the burqa. and the glasses. but it is. glasses. fair enough. but it is. she's hiding her face, which doesn't got doesn't say much. we've got pictures of her anyway, it's pictures of her anyway, so it's not anything her not going to do anything for her cause. but you know, is cause. but you know, this is what these kind of what discredits these kind of movements. they're supposedly marxists. marxists supposed marxists. marxists are supposed to sharing patrisse to be sharing out. patrisse cullors out she bought cullors turns out she bought about five different properties, gave money to her brother or whoever it was that was in the organisation. others within the organisation and actually criticised capitalising organisation and actually criticis

would not be viewed particularly favourably, potentially amongst the generalising here, but wider black community or blm supporting black community, i suppose. why is that? >> well, because i've called it out haven't i? i've looked at it and said, look, there's very little that a black person can't do that a white person could do. in think of anything in fact, can't think of anything . and lot these . um, and a lot of these movements are actually to me, they're movements they're quite backward movements because you're asking to go back to almost apartheid to almost a form of apartheid where you're people where you're separating people based on the colour of their skin and then you're privileging or not privileging. and think or not privileging. and i think it's it's it's divisive because it's upsetting for a lot of white people who will see that and don't see it this way. and it's divisive who aren't divisive for people who aren't of race that you're saying of the race that you're saying the the life the live matter, the life matters. me , seeing matters. and for me, seeing that, , | matters. and for me, seeing that, , i face that, i'll be honest, i face more racism from black people than i than i ever have from any white just simply white people. and just simply for calling a lot of this out, i find it incredible all that that would case. that is would be the case. but that is the bottom line in my experience , that the most racist , that some of the most racist people me have been

people towards me have been people towards me have been people of colour because they're not because not happy with me because i'm supposedly daring supposedly a traitor for daring to say this particular to say that this particular behaviour is unacceptable and i'm quite tired of seeing it really. people need to stop calling things out in terms of colour, try to stop seeing colour, try to stop seeing colour in individuals and look at what they're doing and using an organisation black lives an organisation like black lives matter to cover over. when you're something bad and you're doing something bad and illegal. so fraudulent is it's just quite typical really of this sort of thing, to be honest, doesn't surprise me in the slightest. >> no, no, no. great thank you very much. it's always an absolute pleasure to have you on the course, the show as well. of course, there's there gb there's nana akua. there is gb news presenter. favourite. news presenter. fan favourite. absolute favourite. absolute fan favourite. yep lows to later on in this to come though later on in this show because those of who've show because those of you who've been getting in touch with your emails i promise you i will emails and i promise you i will have time go have a bit of time to go to them. but yeah, just a them. but yeah, look, just a quick hillary's been quick flavour. hillary's been on. 100% behind. on. patrick i'm 100% behind. suella brave speech, but suella and her brave speech, but i it may fall on deaf ears. i fear it may fall on deaf ears. and that's what i will be coming back suella back with. okay. suella braverman has hit out at the

international saying international community, saying they're afraid of being they're too afraid of being called illiberal called racist and illiberal to do the refugee do anything about the refugee crisis. is crisis. what she's saying is that to change the that we need to change the definition what it is to be definition of what it is to be a refugee, it more refugee, to make it more difficult people are difficult for people who are economic to come to economic migrants to come to places britain. 780 million places like britain. 780 million is the number of people that she thinks could well be on their way. patrick christys gb news, britain's the britain's news channel. the temperatures are rising. >> boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. with the gb news forecast showers ease overnight with clear skies for many of us. a fine start to wednesday, but then storm agnes turns up with the potential for disruptive wind and rain. still some rain going across much of scotland and northern ireland as well as northern england through the evening. but eventually the showers become confined to central and the far northwest of scotland , and most places will scotland, and most places will be then overnight. some be clear. then overnight. some high drifting in by the

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we react to suella braverman bucha storming speech in washington. really washington. she's talked really tough migrants tough on illegal migrants and urged put their urged the world to put their money their mouth is and money where their mouth is and start taking the problem as seriously as we are taking it right britain. some of right here in britain. some of the she said, let's the specifics, she said, let's change definition what it change the definition of what it is a refugee. she says is to be a refugee. she says that people are just that too many people are just economic wanting economic migrants and wanting to live place not live in a better place is not justification for asylum. she also too people also said that too many people are living in safe countries for years and then are able to move to countries well to different countries and well frankly claim asylum. and that needs went needs to change. she also went on the numbers at on to highlight the numbers at play on to highlight the numbers at play they rallying cry play here as they rallying cry for the global community. she says that 780 million people under today's definition, could be refugee. where be classed as a refugee. where are coming? are they are they coming? europe are they coming britain? she coming to britain? something she says on that simply being went on to say that simply being gay a is not gay or a woman is not qualification justification gay or a woman is not qualificatiowarranting:ation gay or a woman is not qualificatiowarranting:ati

dem conference. yeah, that frankly than inspiring dem conference. yeah, that frankly than braverman] speech than suella braverman and the fraudster the black lives matter fraudster as gbs.com. the black lives matter fraudster as right gbs.com. the black lives matter fraudster as right as gbs.com. the black lives matter fraudster as right as your]bs.com. the black lives matter fraudster as right as your headlines the black lives matter fraudster as |bullet. as your headlines with bullet. >> em >> patrick thank you will the top story today from the newsroom the home newsroom is that the home secretary says arriving secretary says migrants arriving in an in small boats has put an unsustainable on uk unsustainable pressure on the uk asylum system and on the british taxpayer. delivering a speech in washington that being braverman also argued that being discriminated being was not a woman or for being gay was not enough for asylum enough to qualify for asylum where persecuted. >> it is right that we offer sanctuary, not be sanctuary, but we will not be able system able to sustain an asylum system if, being gay able to sustain an asylum system if, a being gay able to sustain an asylum system if, a woman being gay able to sustain an asylum system if, a woman fearfulng gay able to sustain an asylum system if, a woman fearful of gay or a woman or fearful of discrimination in your country of is sufficient to of origin is sufficient to qualify protection . qualify for protection. >> the mayor of greater manchester he could take manchester says he could take legal action against the tory government if the northern leg of is scrapped . andy burnham of hs2 is scrapped. andy burnham says labour will build hs2 if it wins the election because a failure to do so would have massive implications for the north. the prime minister is reported to be alarmed by the runaway cost of the high speed rail link believed to exceed £100 billion of taxpayers money. the government's refused to rule out curtailing the project for 15 years or more. >> kind of many people in the greater metro system have been

working hard at the government's request to bring through these plans. we've devoted hours and hours and hours of time all of our development plans are linked to it. if they pull the plug, they are kind of ripping the heart out of the economic development plan for greater manchester and parts of the north. so all options would absolutely be on the table . absolutely be on the table. >> andy burnham now sir ed davey says his party would make nhs and cancer treatments a top priority if his party gets into power. the liberal democrat leader told his party's conference in bournemouth they will rescue the nhs with more gps and carers and a greater investment in technology . he investment in technology. he says he'll ensure cancer patients will start treatment within two months of an urgent referral and that they'd been let down under the current government. i still think we could be doing so much better on cancer , far too many people are cancer, far too many people are still waiting far too long for a

diagnosis or to start treatment after being diagnosed . after being diagnosed. >> and i'm afraid to say they've been let down and forgotten by this conservative government. sir ed davey. >> now scotland yard will face difficult decisions over how to protect people in london because of a shortage of counter terrorism. police sir mark rowley says there's significantly less cover available after dozens of officers stood down from firearms duty. it was in response to one of their colleagues being charged with murder after the shooting of chris kaba in south london. downing street insists londoners are safe, but the met commissioner admits his forces are stretched over the weekend. >> it's had a sort of a very significant effect on our capability and we're we're now in a position where the numbers are strengthening . we can are strengthening. we can provide credible firearms cover

for london. but i must be honest, it's still significantly less than normal, which will create some difficult choices . create some difficult choices. >> a hospital trust failed to send out 24,000 letters from senior doctors to their patients and their gp's after they became lost in a new computer system. newcastle hospitals has apologised for any anxiety or inconvenience caused . as inconvenience caused. as a result, the health care regulator has sought urgent assurances over patient safety. most of the letters explained what should happen when patients are discharged from hospital. some crucial tests and results may have been missed by patients , though the trust says the unsent letters accounted for less than 0.3% of all patient contacts . this water companies contacts. this water companies will have to return £114 million to customers after falling short of set standards. the regulator , ofwat, saying most companies are failing to meet key targets

on reducing pollution leakage and supply interruptions , while and supply interruptions, while customer satisfaction continues to fall. thames water must return the most more than £101 million, followed by southern water , which must pay £43 water, which must pay £43 million. workers in the uk are taking more days sick than at any time in the last decade. new research from the chartered institute for professional development shows staff took an average of 7.86 days in the past yean average of 7.86 days in the past year, up from 5.8 before the pandemic. it's blaming stress covid and the cost of living crisis , the biggest cause for crisis, the biggest cause for long term absences is poor mental health vehicle scams have soared by 74, costing victims almost £1,000 on average each time potential buyers buyers, rather, are being duped by fake posts on social media or online marketplaces , advertising marketplaces, advertising vehicles that sometimes don't

exist. they'll often be encouraged to pay a deposit or even the full amount up front. despite not seeing the car in person. people aged between 25 and 34 are the most likely to be stung. the findings were based on analysis of scams reported by lloyds banking group. customers dunng lloyds banking group. customers during january and june . in during january and june. in 2023, with gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on digital on tv in your car, on digital radio and now on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news. channel >> well , suella this is britain's news. channel >> well, suella has only gone and done it. she's cut through the bs about illegal immigrants , asylum seekers, refugees. et cetera . she has come out and cetera. she has come out and said the truth, but you can bet your bottom dollar that the global elites won't like hearing the truth because it doesn't suit their open border or globalist agenda. what our home secretary has said is not only accurate, but it shows that she's willing to stand up for

british interests on the world stage. refugee convention stage. the un refugee convention is far too generous and it is not fit for the modern age . she not fit for the modern age. she is calling for it to be changed. there are around , she says, 780 there are around, she says, 780 million people who could be classed as refugees and if they decide to rock up in another country, then that country would probably have to take them . probably have to take them. britain has passed laws to protect its own borders, its own culture, its way of life , its culture, its way of life, its taxpayers money, the whole shebang . but we are essentially shebang. but we are essentially rendered as impotent as a 90 year old man after a bottle of scotch this scotch, because this international , for international treaty is, for want of a better phrase, to soft, we have to change the definition of a refugee. we have to make it impossible for people to make it impossible for people to choose preferred to choose their preferred destination. like a hyperactive kid in a travel agent. and we have to act now. that's what she's calling for now. the problem is not british law really . the problem is not what really. the problem is not what this government wants to do. the problem is the international conventions and rules. and they

have to change. it was less than a week after rishi sunak stuck his head above the parapet on net zero and rail against climate alarmism. emmanuel macron basically did the same thing in france. leaders in other countries are too afraid to make the first move on things themselves . but if somebody else themselves. but if somebody else is brave enough to do it, then maybe they will fall in line. thatis maybe they will fall in line. that is a point that suella braverman has made when it comes to things like the rwanda scheme. the other countries are actually saying that they wish that they could do something similar , but they don't publicly similar, but they don't publicly come out and say that suella braverman has been brave by name and brave by nature. today she will have to weather a storm, a big one from the usual types, saying that she's inhumane and cruel. she's trying to make life more difficult for refugees, but she's homophobes or a misogynist for saying that simply being gay or being a woman doesn't qualify you for automatic asylum . they'd

you for automatic asylum. they'd actually just wanting a better life. is not enough to be a refugee or an asylum seeker. even if you can understand why people would want one. but those people would want one. but those people who criticise her are wrong and the home secretary is right. those people are disingenuous and dishonest, but they are the kind of people who think the taxpayer should pay for everything they have no plan to deal with the consequence of their own ideology , like 780 their own ideology, like 780 million people moving to western nafionsin million people moving to western nations in the coming decades who don't care for british or european culture, or who are often the people piping up against suella making a lot of money out of the migrant crisis. wishy washy words like hashtag be kind are of no practical use when dealing with real world situations , and those words are situations, and those words are often spouted by people who either live in a protected bubble of financial security or who simply do not understand

what life is like for ordinary brits, what suella braverman has done today in that speech in washington is to be honest and to reflect the views of the majority of people . watch now as majority of people. watch now as the liberal media clatters into her watch now, as the woke backlash fires up. if you go on various news sites or on twitter , you will be forgiven for thinking that the entire british population thinks that suella braverman is an evil monster. well, she isn't. i think she's shown real courage to say what she said today. and if you think what she said is right, she said today. and if you think what she said is right , then what she said is right, then i think personally , it's time to think personally, it's time to make your voice heard . well make your voice heard. well i think i want to hear from you. gb views and gbnews.com. well, she's called them out. she's called people out and said, you're afraid being you're too afraid of being called racist or illiberal to actually about what actually do anything about what is an is now very much an international problem. is international problem. she is undeniably politically trying to

say that what britain is doing is trying to control its own borders we're banned borders and we're being banned from an outdated from doing that by an outdated international legal system, essentially , she and she made essentially, she and she made the case that there are four for different reasons is why we actually to control actually need to control borders. it's civic. it's security , it's democratic, and security, it's democratic, and it's practical. but suella braverman urged , urged even braverman urged, urged even western states to act on migration now, warning them that the crisis will only get worse in coming years. >> illegal migration is not merely an event driven or cyclical problem. it's a permanent and structural challenge for the developed nafionsin challenge for the developed nations in general and the west in particular. unless we act, it will only worsen in the years to come . war political instability come. war political instability and climate change will of course exacerbate migration flows, according to the un, at the end of 2022, there were over

. 108 million forcibly displaced people globally, with 29 million considered to be refugees by the unhcr . but we must be honest, unhcr. but we must be honest, the fundamental drivers of this epoch define challenge are economics and demography . in economics and demography. in january, the world economic forum said that migration will become one of the top five global risks in the next decade ahead of national resource crisis . geoeconomic crisis. geoeconomic confrontation and environmental disasters . it's confrontation and environmental disasters. it's a confrontation and environmental disasters . it's a fallacy that disasters. it's a fallacy that as countries get richer , as countries get richer, emigration from them declines . emigration from them declines. as as the american economist michael clemens has found, emigration from a country tends to rise as until it reaches a level of income of about $10,000 per person before declining world bank data show that more than 3 billion people live in countries where the average income is below this threshold.

the potential for migration to increase yet further is truly colossal . colossal. >> right? so that's suella braverman they're talking in washington. i want to get the views of the labour party, so i'm now labour mp for i'm joined now by labour mp for birmingham . khalid birmingham perry barr. khalid mahmood, you very much. mahmood, thank you very much. great to you the show. great to have you on the show. so braverman has said so suella braverman has said that it patriotism is a good thing. the nation state is a great thing and that population growth can't too be quick because it means that there's no integration, a misguided dogma of multiculturalism is toxic. is she right . she right. >> absolutely. absolutely not. she has just made a huge amount of bluster with no competence involved in it at all. she hasn't been able to resolve the issue of the people on the boats coming through. she spent over. £200 million on the rwanda rwanda refugees project , £18

rwanda refugees project, £18 million on the stockholm . million on the stockholm. billions of pounds in hotels , billions of pounds in hotels, people. and she's not processing those people so we can see who take out of the country and who to keep in the country. talking like this doesn't do anything. she talks about culture. this government has stopped the esol funding for people coming in who can integrate it and learn engush can integrate it and learn english so they're not able to do that because the funding for that, those english classes has stopped. she doesn't want to get people involved in employment and to do things. people involved in employment and to do things . she will not and to do things. she will not provide routes . so she's provide safe routes. so she's talking she tell us, talking about will she tell us, will she tell when she says will she tell us when she says that we all have a responsibility to take proper refugees, i agree with. refugees, which i agree with. what's going to be her statistics what's going statistics? what's going to be her many people is her numbers? how many people is she with? so this she going to agree with? so this is all bluster she normally is all bluster as she normally does, but she delivers nothing . does, but she delivers nothing. they've not. so would you would you would you be against the laws they've put in? you would you be against the lawcannotye put in? you would you be against the lawcannotye pu them so far. >> cannot stop them so far. >> cannot stop them so far. >> be >> would you would you be against version of the against an update version of the un refugees convention which

says which basically makes it tougher for anyone to claim to be a refugee would you would you be a refugee would you would you be up for that, do you think then ? then? >> no, i think we've got to look, there's an issue to look at the united nations to look at it. but i think i'm going it. but i don't think i'm going to far that to get very far with that because the united nations never moved positively. moved to do anything positively. what do is look at what we've got to do is look at is problems that we've is the problems that we've caused across world, ranging caused across the world, ranging from afghanistan to iraq to syria to libya and everywhere else . else. >> is it honestly is it honestly spot countries? >> no, we've got to deal with them. we've got to deal with them. >> honestly, honestly, honestly , not cut not , i've got to do is not cut not cut aid. cut our aid. >> okay . >> okay. >> okay. >> right. look, honestly, on the day that suella braverman has just washington and just stood up in washington and said you know, it's an said that you know, it's an international problem, that borders are something that's worth protecting, that countries are something that's worth protecting, that schools are going to have to find 213,000 new places by 2026. the immigration is responsible for 45% of new housing, 1 in 5 births in this country. now are

to foreign born mothers. you look at paris , half of crimes look at paris, half of crimes apparently are committed by illegal migrants over there . the illegal migrants over there. the half of americans say that their southern border is being invaded. and are you genuinely saying to me that the labour party thinks that we just need to suck it up and atone for our actions in places like afghanistan and just roll over? >> absolutely not. absolutely not. sir keir starmer has been across to france, has struck some deals and is going to work through that. he's going to put proper resources in to deal with this. our own border force patrolling it along with the special all units immigration units to look at this. we're going to put proper resources to deal are the what are deal with what are the what are the deals keir starmer struck you? >> what are deals? sorry >> what are the deals? sorry what are the deals that keir starmer just starmer he's just spoken. >> just spoken . he's just >> he'sjust spoken. he'sjust spoken president cameron spoken to president cameron about looking at how deal about looking at how we'll deal with and he's got some good with this and he's got some good response from and what is he with this and he's got some good resporto from and what is he with this and he's got some good resporto do�*m and what is he with this and he's got some good resporto do when and what is he with this and he's got some good resporto do when he 1d what is he with this and he's got some good resporto do when he comest is he going to do when he comes into power will those power? he will put those into place. somebody who

place. he's somebody who understands he's understands the law. he's somebody understands somebody who understands how to deal issues deal with these issues structurally. and he's not somebody who just blusters and makes in some instances. >> i've got to drill down on that, i'm afraid. comments yeah. i'm sorry. i've to drill i'm sorry. i've got to drill down on that because look, whether people like it whether or not people like it and i get that you and fair enough. i get that you don't it. but what suella don't like it. but what suella braverman that braverman was saying was that due security, practical due to civic security, practical and democratic issues , we have and democratic issues, we have to get control of migration. to get a control of migration. what illegal migration, what she's urging the world to do is to change the definition from whom? the refugees basically to make it less likely and less easy for anybody to become a refugee . she she makes a pretty refugee. she she makes a pretty strong for case that. she says that if the world did that, then we would be able to enforce things illegal things like the illegal migration bill and the rwanda plan . with respect, khalid, plan. and with respect, khalid, what i think you've said to me is is that keir starmer is that is that keir starmer has struck a secret deal with emmanuel . is that right. emmanuel macron. is that right. >> well, what he's doing is he's negotiating a deal with him. he's talking to him and once he

gets into power, he will have further discussions. well, one of the key things is, is looking at joining border forces, both with the french and our border force to be able to control those the national crime those people. the national crime agency more powers to agency having more powers to deal these boats coming deal with these boats coming through and investigating people across into france and into europe and dealing with those people who trafficking in people who are trafficking in these people. so those people are be stopped. this are going to be stopped. this government succeeded in government hasn't succeeded in doing that's what sir doing that. and that's what sir keir deal doing that. and that's what sir keir the deal doing that. and that's what sir keir the people deal doing that. and that's what sir keir the people at deal doing that. and that's what sir keir the people at the deal doing that. and that's what sir keir the people at the cause and with the people at the cause and sort it out. do you think if somebody has fled a country or left a country and has lived safely , safely in a safe country safely, safely in a safe country for years, that they should still be able to claim asylum in britain ? no, i think what what britain? no, i think what what the issue with that is simply if they're living in a safe place, they're living in a safe place, they shouldn't be able to come across that . so what across and do that. so what you've to strike a deal with you've got to strike a deal with europe, what what you're europe, what you what you're going to not what she's saying, what going strike what you're going to strike a deal with is, first all, deal with is, first of all,

she's up the she's got to come up with the figures what she thinks is figures of what she thinks is acceptable. and the big issue that missing here is the that you're missing here is the amount of 8 billion or £7 billion that we're paying for hotels daily. if she processes those people, those are not entitled to stay here, would go and would leave. so we would continue to pay huge amounts. she's dealing she's unsuccessful in dealing with it. i think. >> i think maybe genuinely, politely, i think maybe you're missing point, because missing the point, because what she's saying is that at the moment , the current moment, under the current definition to be a definition of what it is to be a refugee, have to accept refugee, we just have to accept most of people, even if most of those people, even if they are economic migrants. that's looking to that's what she's looking to change. process them change. so we could process them all but we'd change. so we could process them all up but we'd change. so we could process them all up with but we'd change. so we could process them all up with most but we'd change. so we could process them all up with most of3ut we'd change. so we could process them all up with most of theme'd end up with most of them staying, though maybe they staying, even though maybe they don't to. don't deserve to. >> but we're not processing them. that's the problem. the reason why there's a huge cost at is because we're at the moment is because we're not. so get on and do the not. so let's get on and do the proper work. but that would mean and then got deal with and then we've got to deal with and then we've got to deal with and resolve those but and resolve those issues. but that would but unless we change, unless the change, the definition it is to be a refugee. >> okay , then that would mean >> okay, then that would mean that people are able to

that most people are able to stay, which is possibly why we're not processing so many of them at the minute, because we know do that know that in order to do that through, do that through, in order to do that through, in order to do that through nations, through the united nations, it'll something the it'll take you something in the region it'll take you something in the reg so you're telling me suella >> so you're telling me suella is happy to pay for those people's hotel costs here for the next 3 to 5 years without sorting out what their status should be? and those people are not entitled to stay, should then be to go back to then be allowed to go back to where they've come from. that's what is saying, what the labour party is saying, not huge not keeping these people at huge cost constituents , to all cost to our constituents, to all the people across the country . the people across the country. and that is what will make a difference , processing these difference, processing these people those people and getting them those that are entitled to be that are not entitled to be here, sending back, here, then sending them back, but proper thing, do the but do the proper thing, do the right the people, for right people for the people, for the british people, and provide security and safety and cultural issues for them by not hatred , issues for them by not hatred, but doing the right thing, which is what we should do, be firm and be strong. on refugees and do it properly, which is what sir keir starmer wants to do. >> so labour's plan to deal with

potentially 780 million people being eligible for refugee status in the western world and in britain would be to process them quicker. no that's you're totally misleading. >> the question here, what the labour party has said it will do , first of all, 700 million, 8 million, 80 million people are not going to come to the uk, nor should be able to come to should they be able to come to the uk. we have to look at those serious issues that people actually manage to arrive here. first of what we've said first of all, what we've said all safe all along is provide safe corridors for these people to travel so we can see that these people at the point of it, before they even get into the united kingdom and see united kingdom and to see who deserves be here, who deserves to be here, who doesn't. when there are legal doesn't. so when there are legal immigrants and we can deal with that. doing is that. but what she's doing is clumping every together , not clumping every together, not providing safe routes for people to come through and that is what she's got to do to deal with this. and she hasn't done any of the substance. done the substance. she hasn't done any of the work. and she's any of the work. and now she's going off making huge, grand speeches just because the party conference coming. that's

conference is coming. that's what about. what all this is about. >> fascinating stuff. >> it's fascinating stuff. khalife much. khalife thank you very much. i could this could talk to you about this all day. you day. i really do appreciate you coming genuinely, i coming on. honestly genuinely, i do. it's great. it's do. you know, it's great. it's great. it's great to hear the labour khalid labour side of things. khalid mahmood now. labour side of things. khalid mahlabour now. labour side of things. khalid mahlabour birmingham row. the labour mp for birmingham perry barr. we do now a perry barr. we do now have a contrast between parties and this is only to going increase as the election gears up , but as the election gears up, but we'll wait to find out we'll have to wait to find out what rishi sunak will do next with hs2 because the government's been threatened with legal action if it scraps the northern leg. yes, i'm patrick christys on gb news. we are britain's news.

britain's news. channel >> welcome back. you are watching and listening to me. patrick christys on gb news news. in a few minutes i will bnng news. in a few minutes i will bring you the highlights from suella bravermans speech suella bravermans big speech on migrants i think we might migrants and i think we might have just heard from labour mp have just heard from a labour mp that keir starmer struck a secret emmanuel secret deal with emmanuel macron. you hear that? i macron. did you hear that? i certainly hopefully we'll certainly did. hopefully we'll have detail to bring have a bit more detail to bring to future of hs2 is to you, but the future of hs2 is hanging balance hanging in the balance with a growing tory growing divide from the tory party over whether northern growing divide from the tory part of )ver whether northern growing divide from the tory pariof the whether northern growing divide from the tory pariof the railether northern growing divide from the tory pariof the rail link northern growing divide from the tory pariof the rail link shouldthern growing divide from the tory pariof the rail link should be rn leg of the rail link should be axed. but but speaking exclusively to gb news andy burnham, the mayor of greater manchester, has actually threatened legal action against the government if it fails to complete the project in the north—west of england . he spoke north—west of england. he spoke to gb news political editor christopher hope earlier, where he said, oh , sue you, sir, for

he said, oh, sue you, sir, for 15 years or more, kind of many people in the greater manchester system have been working hard at the government's request to bnng the government's request to bring through these plans. >> we've devoted hours and hours and hours of time all of our development plans are linked to it. if they pull the plug, they are kind of ripping the heart out of the economic development plan for greater manchester and parts of the north. so all opfions parts of the north. so all options would absolutely be on the table . the table. >> nothing is off the table , >> nothing is off the table, right? i'm very pleased to hotfooting it off. the train is christopher hope. you've been you've been practically jet setting . yes. setting. yes. >> yes. on the train. yes. not on the avanti west coast. on hs2 on the avanti west coast. no, it was fine. but let let's leave. >> you'll never be on leave. >> you'll never be on leave. >> that thought that i would want retired . i'll go on want to retired. i'll go off on my trip to liverpool. yes. my day trip to liverpool. yes. >> what have you >> okay. so what have you gleaned your trip to manchester? >> he's angry . manchester? >> he's angry. right. and manchester? >> he's angry . right. and they >> he's angry. right. and they are frustrated and angry incorrectly so that this northern leg of hs2, this fast line from birmingham to manchester is may not. ahead

manchester is may not. go ahead . and that's the concern. >> yeah. okay. >> yeah. okay. >> all right. and he is threatening legal action threatening serious legal action then, he's saying then, is he? i mean, he's saying that all then, is he? i mean, he's saying th.their all then, is he? i mean, he's saying th.their infrastructure, all then, is he? i mean, he's saying th.their infrastructure, they'vell then, is he? i mean, he's saying th.theirupfrastructure, they'vell then, is he? i mean, he's saying th.theirup everything. they'vell geared up everything. and it's. >> question was, >> well, my question to him was, what you legal? and what what will you go legal? and he all will be on he said all options will be on the they'll be hearing the table. they'll be hearing from what great from us. and what great manchester are doing in these big cities outside this big cities now outside of this of the uk or outside london, is that they are getting geared up for kind of getting more for kind of they're getting more confident want to confident of where they want to be and backing what as be and backing what they see as their interests against the kind of how big an issue of whitehall, how big an issue is this going for the is this going to be for the conservative is this going to be for the con because is mean, >> because there is i mean, the cost to there's >> because there is i mean, the c(cost to there's >> because there is i mean, the c(cost benefit to there's >> because there is i mean, the c(cost benefit analysis, there's >> because there is i mean, the c(cost benefit analysis, but'e's a cost benefit analysis, but i mean, grief, think that a cost benefit analysis, but i meaiis grief, think that a cost benefit analysis, but i meaiis that grief, think that a cost benefit analysis, but i meaiis that train, think that a cost benefit analysis, but i meaiis that train has think that a cost benefit analysis, but i meaiis that train has leftnk that a cost benefit analysis, but i meaiis that train has left the hat ship is that train has left the left a time. left the platform a long time. >> and counting left the platform a long time. >> to and counting left the platform a long time. >> to mean, and counting left the platform a long time. >> to mean, is|d counting left the platform a long time. >> to mean, is|d going ng left the platform a long time. >>be) mean, is|d going ng left the platform a long time. >>be a mean, is|d going ng left the platform a long time. >> be a me'political|oing ng left the platform a long time. >>be a me'political loss?1g to be a massive political loss? >> not really sure . in >> i'm not really sure. in manchester it's going to be a huge loss tories. it's huge loss for the tories. it's not popular in the city not very popular in the city there anyway. >> there are bits of >> well, there are bits of the route going that route they're going to do that that connect northern that connect the northern powerhouse . so the whole powerhouse rail. so the whole manchester liverpool route, there are bits of, of hs2 that really without it really matter and without it going ahead, that can't work.

really matter and without it going ahead, that can't work . so going ahead, that can't work. so it really matters up there , i it really matters up there, i think. and it's also it's more, it's symbolic, think, for it's more symbolic, i think, for the north. yeah >> well, is symbolic. >> well, well, it is symbolic. i mean, it's obvious mean, i suppose it's an obvious sign, did sign, isn't it, that you did want to the but want to connect the north. but i think a lot of northerners don't want everybody want to speak for everybody here, a lot of here, but i think a lot of northerners been northerners would have been happier with the north and the east the midlands being east and the midlands being better connected within itself . better connected within itself. >> yeah, and that's the argument i looking at i think they're looking at rephasing the rephasing it with a more the autumn up. but autumn statement coming up. but the tories have lost the plot over the past few days. they've the tories have lost the plot ove the; past few days. they've the tories have lost the plot ove the big st few days. they've the tories have lost the plot ove the big conference. they've the tories have lost the plot ove the big conference cominga the tories have lost the plot ove the big conference coming up got the big conference coming up there manchester. there in manchester. i'll be back the the train there in manchester. i'll be back on:he the train there in manchester. i'll be back on saturday. 1e train there in manchester. i'll be back on saturday. 1e traia strike on saturday. so in a minibus to manchester in minibus getting to manchester in a gb minibus . >> it's a gb news minibus. >> it's a gb news minibus. >> there's going to be minibus. >> i've not made minibus. >> well, you're hitchhiking, aren't you? >> am hitchhiking. aren't you? >> but1 hitchhiking. aren't you? >> but why:hhiking. aren't you? >> but why ?hiking. aren't you? >> but why ?hiki will there >> but why? we will be there and raiding you in for your show whenever happens . but we'll whenever it happens. but we'll be way there. no, but the be on the way there. no, but the point this. block point is this. lost my block completely . yeah, in the timing completely. yeah, in the timing is appalling. the chancellor , is appalling. the chancellor, jeremy hunt, has said, why are we doing this? we are not doing this. but there's a concern

about the cost of it. what can we do about it? and so grant shapps same thing. shapps has said the same thing. and monday the pm rishi and even on monday the pm rishi sunak commit to it sunak wouldn't commit to it going north birmingham. going north of birmingham. that's . that's the concern. >> yeah, no, indeed. and it remains to seen. a&e burnham >> yeah, no, indeed. and it renyous to seen. a&e burnham >> yeah, no, indeed. and it renyou rightly seen. a&e burnham >> yeah, no, indeed. and it renyou rightly seen.they'rejrnham as you rightly said, they're clearly , clearly very clearly fizzing, clearly very angry, understandably angry, i think understandably so , genuinely and, you know, potentially we will a legal potentially we will have a legal battle going on between manchester and downing street, which good . yeah. so which would be good. yeah. so there we go. >> good for to fight the north. >> e"- north. >> the fight for >> what's the fight for the north? in the north as north? the king in the north as a well, it probably calls a well, it probably he calls himself. go . thank you himself. there we go. thank you very much, christopher, there. our editor, who's our political editor, who's hotfooted and will not be manchester. and will not be led astray well. deeply astray by me as well. i'm deeply disappointed. one day i will get you, but okay. loads more still to now in to come. between now and 6:00 in a time, hear a few moments time, we will hear from shadow minister who has from the shadow minister who has criticised suella bravermans big speech . but first, speech on migration. but first, it's your latest news headlines with middlehurst . with polly middlehurst. >> patrick thank you. with the top story this hour is that the

home secretary says migrants arriving in small boats has put an unsustainable pressure on the uk's asylum system. and the british taxpayer layer delivering a speech in washington , suella braverman washington, suella braverman argued being discriminated against for being gay or a woman was not enough to qualify her for asylum. where individuals are being persecuted . are being persecuted. >> and it is right that we offer sanctuary , but we will not be sanctuary, but we will not be able to sustain an asylum system if, in effect simply being gay or a woman or fearful of discrimination in your country of origin is sufficient to qualify for protection . in qualify for protection. in >> and as you've been hearing, the mayor of greater manchester says he take legal action says he could take legal action against the government if the northern section of hs2 is scrapped. andy burnham says labour will build it if it wins the election because a failure to do so would have massive impact options for the north and sir ed davey says his party would make nhs and cancer

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sunshine , then it turns sunshine, then it turns increasingly windy through the morning. those winds then peaking in the afternoon and evening . the risk in northern evening. the risk in northern and western parts of the uk of 50 to 60 mile per hour wind gusts around exposed irish gusts and around exposed irish sea of per hour sea coasts of 75 mile per hour wind so dangerous coastal wind gusts. so dangerous coastal conditions disrupt transport and some heavy rain as well could cause impacts for central and southern scotland . much of that southern scotland. much of that clears through during thursday day, but it stays windy in the north with the further risk of coastal gales, bright skies further south and lighter winds. some showers still going on friday. a fine start to the weekend, though, with high pressure building for a time . pressure building for a time. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . on. gb news. >> well, it's a big day for suella braverman it's a big day for britain on the world stage. genuinely potentially,

genuinely and potentially, although i suspect it won't be. but arguably should be a big but he arguably should be a big day for world doing day for the world doing something to something and coming together to help fight illegal migration and the refugee crisis, the asylum seeker crisis that's taking place . it is, of course, that place. it is, of course, that big suella braverman's speech on migration that we brought to you live here on gb news and the reaction to it has been fascinating. she urged western states now warning states to act now she's warning that the crisis will only get worse. the reason why she's saying it is that economic prosperity in third world countries and in other nations is by no means a precursor to them staying in their own country, she said that that would take a long time and in the meantime, millions and tens of millions of people will have made a decision to permanently move to the western world. she went on to say a lot of things. i'm just to going start by playing you this clip. i'm just to going start by pla legalou this clip. i'm just to going start by pla legal migrationp. i'm just to going start by pla legal migration is not merely >> legal migration is not merely an event driven or cyclical problem. it's a permanent and structural challenge for the

developed nations in general and the west in particular. for unless we act, it will only worsen in the years to come. war or political instability and climate change will of course exist . abate migration flows exist. abate migration flows according to the un at the end of 2022, there were over . 108 of 2022, there were over. 108 million forcibly displaced people globally, with 29 million considered to be refugees by the unhcr . but we must be honest, unhcr. but we must be honest, the fundamental drivers of this epoch defining challenge are economics and demography . in economics and demography. in january, the world economic forum said that migration will become one of the top five global risks in the next decade ahead of national resource crisis. geo economic confrontation and environmental disasters . it's confrontation and environmental disasters. it's a confrontation and environmental disasters . it's a fallacy that disasters. it's a fallacy that as countries get richer,

emigration from them declines . emigration from them declines. as the american economist michael clemens has found, emigration from a country tends to rise until it reaches a level of income of about $10,000 per person before declining world bank data show that more than 3 billion people live in countries where the average income is below this threshold. the potential for migration to increase. yet further is truly colossal . the raw numbers show colossal. the raw numbers show how demand for migration, legal or otherwise, is likely to surge in the coming years. or otherwise, is likely to surge in the coming years . so, too in the coming years. so, too does personal testimony . a 2021 does personal testimony. a 2021 gallup poll found that 16% of adults worldwide , around 900 adults worldwide, around 900 million people, still would like permanently to leave their own country. and those numbers are not evenly distributed around the world. 37% of people living in sub—saharan africa, some 481

million people and 27% of those living in the middle east and nonh living in the middle east and north africa, around 156 million say they'd like to migrate the ease with which some of them might reach europe pose as a unique and deepening challenge. the fact is that our countries are exceptionally attractor . are exceptionally attractor. live 4% of those polled by gallup approximately 40 million people named britain as their preferred destination , 18. preferred destination, 18. approximately 162 million people named the usa. these numbers are respectively, more than half of our current total population as now those in favour of a more liberal approach when it comes to legal migration tend to say at this point. so what? isn't it at this point. so what? isn't it a good thing that people, the world over want to come to the west and contribute? and why can't we absorb and welcome

them? and wouldn't the problem of illegal migration be significantly reduced if we made it easier for people to come to our countries legally? well there are four core arguments in opposition to uncontrolled and illegal migration. the civic argument, the practical argument, the practical argument, the practical argument, the security argument , it and the democratic argument . firstly the civic argument against uncontrolled and . against uncontrolled and. illegal migration. an i believe that the nation state is one of humanity's great civil izing forces. it creates a shared identity and a shared purpose , identity and a shared purpose, and that does not need to have a racial component. typically, it binds people of different racial backgrounds together. far from being an ugly emotion, patriot ism stirs people to heroism and to kindness . as it is, the to kindness. as it is, the belief that we have specific

obugafions belief that we have specific obligations to others precisely because they are our fellow countrymen and in order for nationality to be sustainable economically , culturally and in economically, culturally and in terms of public support, it needs to encompass everyone that it in turn means that the country cannot grow so exponentially and still maintain the harmony needed for everyone to feel that we are all in this together for. and let's remember something that is all too often forgotten integration inevitably takes time . if immigration is takes time. if immigration is uncontrolled cold, it makes it harder for society to adapt and accommodate new cultures and customs and for communities parties to meld together to look went on for about half an hour. >> here's a key point for me. it was arguably the best point she made. she said almost no made. she said that almost no illegal migrants end up paying

in tax what they've taken from the state. so almost no illegal migrants end up being a net financial benefit to this country. i think that is important to get out there. she said that seeking asylum and seeking better prospects s are not the same thing and that she said she was going to broach a taboo and that taboo was this if you're fleeing persecution somewhere, that does not mean that you should be able to seek asylum anywhere. and she highlighted another crucial point, which is that we currently have people at the moment claiming asylum in britain who have left whatever country it was that they are originally from, for whatever reason. often that was not actually that they were fleeing persecution. it is just that they life and they wanted a better life and they wanted a better life and they perfectly , they then lived perfectly, happily and perfectly safely in another safe country. and then at some point travelled to britain to claim asylum here. clearly that is not sustainable and what suella braverman was trying to do that was say to the world, need to act now and world, we need to act now and change the definition things.

world, we need to act now and cha havehe definition things. world, we need to act now and cha havehe youtdated things. world, we need to act now and cha have he youtdated refugee s. we have an outdated refugee convention that is not fit for purpose in the modern world. and if we don't act now, then things will be changed irreversibly and for . but shadow home for the worse. but shadow home secretary claims secretary yvette cooper claims that the home secretary has failed on this issue, and it's well, braverman is simply looking for someone else to blame . blame. >> we want to see proper international cooperation , both international cooperation, both on tackling illegal migration and also on supporting refugees who fled persecution and conflict. >> but at the moment, conflict. >> but at the moment , the tories >> but at the moment, the tories are totally failing to get any grip on the asylum chaos on the criminal gangs that are running along our border on the hotel use that is now costing the taxpayer £8 million a day. >> and instead of setting out any practical plans , all the any practical plans, all the home secretary is doing is ramping up the rhetoric and looking around for someone else to blame. >> we should have a proper grip rather than the rhetoric and gimmicks that we always get from this home secretary . i think the this home secretary. i think the home secretary has so badly lost

any grip on the tories asylum chaos which has been getting worse in the 13 years that they have been in power. and but instead she is just lashing out, looking for other people to blame, to target people who are lesbian and gay, who face persecution in places like uganda to where they have been threatened with the death penalty . penalty. >> she is just looking for scapegoats and targets rather than recognising her responsible ability to get a grip of the asylum system to tackle the chaos that we face and to go after the criminal gangs that are operating along our border. >> she's clearly been told to use the word grip a lot there, hasn't she? can i just say i, i don't know if anyone picked that up. with respect , it's not not up. with respect, it's not not quite to that. quite disingenuous to say that. what saying quite disingenuous to say that. what was saying quite disingenuous to say that. what was that saying quite disingenuous to say that. what was that she saying quite disingenuous to say that. what was that she wanted saying quite disingenuous to say that. what was that she wanted to ;aying there was that she wanted to persecute and lesbian people persecute gay and lesbian people from countries like uganda where they face the death penalty. i think the answer is the opposite of what suella was of what suella braverman was saying, wasn't it? she was saying, wasn't it? she was saying are genuine saying that there are genuine cases who are gay, who cases of people who are gay, who face persecution , but

face real world persecution, but there are also places where maybe it's just a bit uncomfortable be person uncomfortable to be a gay person and itself doesn't and that in itself maybe doesn't qualify asylum. qualify you for asylum. i thought that actually quite thought that actually was quite interesting. interjection that from and not from yvette cooper and not necessarily the rigorous accuracy and honesty so accuracy and honesty that she so strives and calls for from strives for and calls for from everybody else . but here's everybody else. but here's a change tone for you. how much change of tone for you. how much would you pay for a cheese and pickle sandwich? yes would you believe one well known chain is charging more than £7, £7 for a cheese and pickle sandwich. i'm patrick christys on gb news. and this is britain's news.

on gb news, the people's. channel >> welcome back. you are watching or listening to me. patrick christys on gb news. i'm just going to finish the show a little bit with some some emails, okay. because i've had thousands far. this emails, okay. because i've had thous primarily far. this emails, okay. because i've had thous primarily about far. this emails, okay. because i've had thous primarily about what this emails, okay. because i've had thous primarily about what suella show primarily about what suella braverman over there braverman was saying over there in america .jim's been on jim, in america. jim's been on jim, says patrick suella braverman would have my vote for prime minister. i get this . i mean, we minister. i get this. i mean, we are a slightly fickle bunch here. sometimes aren't we? you know, people the thing here. sometimes aren't we? you knovwe eople the thing here. sometimes aren't we? you knovwe want the thing here. sometimes aren't we? you knovwe want to the thing here. sometimes aren't we? you knovwe want to the and thing here. sometimes aren't we? you knovwe want to the and then] that we want to hear and then all vote for all of a sudden we'd vote for them. , what she was them. but look, what she was obviously say them. but look, what she was obvinritain, say them. but look, what she was obvinritain, with say them. but look, what she was obvinritain, with illegalay that britain, with the illegal migration and with the migration bill and with the rwanda policy is trying to do everything it can to control its borders. but due to international refugee definitions, we are unable to do that. and therefore the world needs to change. she was also

saying that multiculturalism essentially has failed and that it is a toxic concept . she was it is a toxic concept. she was quoting people like angela merkel. she was quoting people like emmanuel macron. emmanuel macron himself has come out and tweeted that actually, we cannot accept the world's misery . i accept the world's misery. i wonder if we are witnessing now a sea change for all of this talk about britain being world leading. look okay, there's only so we can with that . but so much we can do with that. but is time as our home is it not time as our home secretary done for somebody secretary has done for somebody from to their from britain, to stick their head parapet and head above the parapet and actually lot of actually say what a lot of people are too afraid to come out and say, whether or not there will be any real difference. fair enough . and i difference. fair enough. and i do, by the way, for what it's worth, subscribe to the view that there least that there is at least an element this that is trying element of this that is trying to the blame. however, i do to pass the blame. however, i do think that that blame does need passing. so, you there is passing. so, you know, there is that anyway. michelle dewberry joins a little tease joins me now for a little tease about what's coming your about what's coming up on your show. about what's coming up on your showell, course, main >> well, of course, the main story in town, this suella braverman speech . braverman speech. >> my panel completely disagree.

i've got kelvin mackenzie on. >> he just told me it's one of the best political speeches that he's heard. safe to say, joe phillips pretty much entirely disagrees with that . it's disagrees with that. it's fascinating as well to get lots of my viewers responses on that. >> they've already started emailing in their thoughts. >> she's been called like a pound shop, enoch powell. so i want to explore that. >> how do you see this? >> how do you see this? >> look, this >> is there is that look, this is and i called this is the thing. and i called this before even speech before she even made her speech when we got snippets of what we were expecting her to say hours ago, bbc see the ago, the bbc see the independent, the guardian and a couple of other outlets immediately pounced on the things she was saying about just just being gay or being a woman does necessarily mean that does not necessarily mean that you to asylum. they you have a right to asylum. they immediately went down the anti—gay route. okay. and so what we're seeing now is name calling. you're a pound calling. oh, you're a pound shop. enoch powell . oh, you're shop. enoch powell. oh, you're a racist. oh, that's just how this society is. >> have lost the ability >> people have lost the ability to respectfully disagree . to respectfully disagree. >> so what they try to do is name in try and

name call in order to try and shame you into silence. >> wants to be >> because who wants to be called awful names that no one enjoys that. >> so ultimately , what they >> so ultimately, what they think i call them enough think is if i call them enough names, i if i try and smear names, if i if i try and smear them them enough, names, if i if i try and smear themmaybe them enough, names, if i if i try and smear them maybe just them enough, names, if i if i try and smear themmaybe just maybe,n enough, names, if i if i try and smear them maybe just maybe, that)ugh, then maybe just maybe, that person may just quietly bang their head and go, yeah, okay, i don't want be called those don't want to be called those things, it alone then, don't want to be called those thingsis it alone then, don't want to be called those thingsis really alone then, don't want to be called those thingsis really appropriate which is not really appropriate because need strong because we need robust, strong debate in this country. we need more of that, not less. >> yeah , like i said, fireworks. >> i think coming up kelvin >> i think coming up with kelvin and joe and course , there's a and joe and of course, there's a lot to be said on this migrant stuff. but i want to try stuff. but i also want to try and couple of other and touch on a couple of other points well. prisons. points as well. prisons. do you think prioritising think we need to be prioritising refurbing them, build more? >> don't. yeah. >> don't. yeah. >> apparently the dirt's meet the standards, them the top standards, some of them so is really priority so is that really the priority for spending at this moment for our spending at this moment in time and i want to explore mental health a little bit as well. >> okay. well. >> whether or not companies need to for you to have to start paying for you to have some mental health leave or not. >> interesting. >> interesting. >> panel very strongly >> my panel very strongly disagree with each other on that. >> well, kelvin mckenzie has

caused a few mental health cnses caused a few mental health crises in his time, hasn't he? >> listening to you . >> he's listening to you. >> he's listening to you. >> i know is. yeah. it's my >> i know he is. yeah. it's my former mckenzie. >> i know he is. yeah. it's my formehim mckenzie. >> i know he is. yeah. it's my formehim well. mckenzie. >> i know he is. yeah. it's my formehim well. he's/ickenzie. know him well. he's a he's a friend well, although friend as well, although he probably appreciate me probably won't appreciate me saying no, saying that, but. yeah, no, i know the devastating know firsthand the devastating impact that kelvin mackenzie can have on psychological . have on the psychological. >> oh, well, might try >> oh, really? well, i might try and him in a few and raise that with him in a few minutes see pleads that. >> thank you very much. it's going be great make going to be a great show. make sure you stay tuned for all of that michelle dewberry for the next here's that michelle dewberry for the next question here's that michelle dewberry for the next question you. here's that michelle dewberry for the next question you. how re's a quick question for you. how much for a cheese much would you pay for a cheese and sandwich ? let's be and pickle sandwich? let's be honest, bit of bread , a honest, it's a bit of bread, a couple slices cheese and couple of slices of cheese and some pickle. it shouldn't set you much , but pret you back that much, but pret a manger, charging , an manger, a charging, an incredible £7, £0.15, what it calls posh cheddar and pickle baguette. that's what it costs to eat. it is high street, kensington branch in west london. the ingredients in full are a bit of cheddar for some pickle, some roasted tomatoes, a freshly sliced red onion and a touch of free range mayo and

mustard . crass. let's see, shall mustard. crass. let's see, shall we? if this is any good. mustard. crass. let's see, shall we? if this is any good . okay, we? if this is any good. okay, so right. there we go . yeah it's so right. there we go. yeah it's all right. but to be honest with you, i'd rather have a greggs . you, i'd rather have a greggs. see you tomorrow . i've had . see you tomorrow. i've had. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers, proud sponsors up. boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast . east the gb news forecast. east showers ease overnight with clear skies. for many of us, a fine start to wednesday, but then storm agnes turns up with then storm agnes turns up with the potential for disruptive wind and rain. still some rain going across much of scotland and northern ireland as well as northern england through the evening. but eventually the showers become confined to central and the far northwest of scotland . but most places will scotland. but most places will be clear. then overnight, some high cloud drifting in by the

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making it and working out whether or not anything will actually get done or is it all just more talk and more bluster 7 just more talk and more bluster ? also, i want to squeeze a few other bits in as well if i can tonight. mental health. so many people are off work now because apparently they're struggling. should employers do more ? and should employers do more? and prisons apparently 1 in 10 of them are not fit for purpose. i mean , come on, there is a cost mean, come on, there is a cost of living crisis. should refurbishing prisons be at the top of the list, if not at the top of the list, if not at the top , then where? when it comes top, then where? when it comes top, then where? when it comes to your priority, as you tell me before we get into all of that, and i can tell you now there's going to be some robust debates . we've got kelvin mackenzie and joe to get into. joe phillips. lots to get into. but do it, let's grab but before we do it, let's grab tonight's latest headlines .

tonight's latest headlines. >>