and a very very good evening. >> good wednesday evening to all of you. well, it's farage. it's 7:00 on gb news. we've got an action packed, busy, busy show ahead. first of all, the fallout from suella braverman's speech yesterday. the question i'm asking has multiculturalism failed? the home secretary seems to think so. the second thing we're going to be looking at, should we use russian state cash to fund the defence of ukraine? and joining me in the studio to discuss that will be bill browder . that will be well worth browder. that will be well worth listening to. and then also a huge new oil field has been approved. the rosebank oil field in the north sea. good news or bad news? we'll be debating that with someone from just oil. and you will not want to miss an unbelievable what the farage moment. you will need a pen and paper show. but paper later in the show. but first up, the news with first up, it's the news with polly middlehurst. >> richard, thank you and good

evening to you. well, we start this news with the news that a 15 year old girl has died after being stabbed in croydon in south london. she was on her way to school. emergency services were called to wellesley road in croydon at around 830 this morning. one eyewitness describing seeing a bus driver and a passer by trying to resuscitate the teenage girl. she was a student at the old palace school for girls . a 17 palace school for girls. a 17 year old boy has been arrested . year old boy has been arrested. police say he was known to the victim on five labour mayors from across the country have been meeting in leeds today to urge the prime minister to stay on track with hs2 . they warn on track with hs2. they warn that failure to deliver in full will leave swathes of the north with victorian infrastructure either unfit for purpose. rishi sunak faces a political backlash over reports he's considering axing the link between birmingham and manchester amid soaring costs . this company, gb soaring costs. this company, gb news, has suspended its presenter dan wootton. it comes

after offensive comments were made by laurence fox during an interview on his programme last night . but he interview on his programme last night. but he made interview on his programme last night . but he made a interview on his programme last night. but he made a series of derogatory remarks about the journalist ava evans , who's a journalist ava evans, who's a political correspondent for the news website. joe, presenter laurence fox has also been suspend added with immediate effect and taken off air. in a statement , gb effect and taken off air. in a statement, gb news called effect and taken off air. in a statement , gb news called the statement, gb news called the comments unacceptable and said it will be conducting a full investigation as well as issuing a formal apology to ms evans . a formal apology to ms evans. the uk's largest untapped oil and gas field, rosebank , in and gas field, rosebank, in scotland, has been approved for development. that's despite a row over climate damage. regular haters say. net zero considerations have been taken into account. scotland's first minister, though humza humza yousaf, says he's disappointed the project has been given the go ahead. the government, though, has welcomed the decision, saying it will raise billions pounds. decision, saying it will raise billions pounds . the united billions of pounds. the united nafions billions of pounds. the united nations has rejected the home secretary's calls for international law on refugees to

be changed. in a speech in washington in the united states yesterday, suella braverman suggested the un 1951 refugee convention needed updating. she argued, fearing discrimination for being gay or a woman shouldn't be enough to qualify for international refugee status . and lastly , yellow weather . and lastly, yellow weather warnings are in place for most of the uk from midday today. in fact, they were put in place as storm agnes. the start of the storm season makes landfall across the united kingdom. the coast expected to be whipped by winds up to 75, 80 miles an houn winds up to 75, 80 miles an hour. some service is indicating the royal national lifeboat institution advising people to keep a safe distance from water and cliff edges as highways waves pose a potential threat to life. there are two yellow rain warnings in place in parts of scotland . the worst of the storm scotland. the worst of the storm due to hit at 9:00 in a couple of hours . batten down the

of hours. batten down the hatches . ukip. gb news across hatches. ukip. gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . this is britain's news channel. >> thank you, polly . welcome >> thank you, polly. welcome back to farage. just after 7:00 here on gb news. well, goodness me, it has been a busy, busy day. and hasn't the fallout grown on the usual critics have been attacking our home secretary, suella braverman, for making washington what i think is one of the most extraordinary, one of the bravest, most courageous speeches ever made by a home secretary. but i've written and ispoke secretary. but i've written and i spoke yesterday, i don't think she's gone far enough . but first she's gone far enough. but first of all, before we debate this with my studio guest and a guest down the line, let's just remind ourselves of just one of the key extracts from the home secretary's speech multiculturalism makes no demands of the incomer to

integrate it. >> it has failed because it allowed people to come to our society and live parallel lives in it . they society and live parallel lives in it. they could be in the society party, but not of the society party, but not of the society and in extreme cases they could pursue lives aimed at undermining the stability and threatening the security of our society . society. >> well , goodness me. i mean, >> well, goodness me. i mean, after that speech, you would think is the first time anybody's had the courage to suggest that multicultural ism has failed in the united kingdom. no one's ever said it before. apparently but let's just check back in history, shall we? let's just see what former leaders in the united kingdom and indeed across europe have said over recent years under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we've encouraged merged different cultures to live separate lives apart from each other and apart from the mainstream .

from the mainstream. >> erm my response is clearly yes, it's a failure . yes, it's a failure. >> the truth is that in all our democracies we've been too preoccupied with the identity of those arriving and not enough with that of the countries which welcome them . welcome them. >> so there we have it . david >> so there we have it. david cameron, nicolas sarkozy back in 2006, tony blair, he said for the first time in a generation , the first time in a generation, there's an unease, an anxiety , there's an unease, an anxiety, even at points of resentment , even at points of resentment, that our very openness , our that our very openness, our willingness to welcome differences , our pride in being differences, our pride in being to home many different cultures is actually being used against us. it's being abused . indeed, us. it's being abused. indeed, even in order to harm us. and then also, as part of her review into opportunity and integration back in 2016, baroness casey . back in 2016, baroness casey. louise casey, she found that in a number of local areas , ethnic a number of local areas, ethnic or migrant groups have become increasingly divided. so i'm

asking you this big question this evening . has this evening. has multiculturalism failed? get in touch with us. email farage at gbnews.com or tweet us with the hashtag farage on gb news. well, it's a really big topic. it's an important topic. are we getting the language right to this ? the the language right to this? the words, the language? i'm delighted to be joined in the studio by dr. alan mendoza, who is the executive director of the henry jackson society. alan, thank you for joining henry jackson society. alan, thank you forjoining me at henry jackson society. alan, thank you for joining me at this very important debate. and an important day. i think the fallout of this. have you been surprised by the abuse and the vitriol that the home secretary has received following that speech yesterday? >> no, not in the slightest, because every time this argument is made, the sort of manifest, obvious point that multicultural ism is indeed not something that ought to be embraced, but indeed turned on its head every time that comes up. >> of course, there's a cavalcade of problems and abuse and hysteria around it. but, you know what? your segment just a

moment ago showed was was very interesting. we've had years of this and yet it's very interesting that when she says it , there's particular attack. it, there's a particular attack. >> a key point. i don't >> this is a key point. i don't remember tony blair or david cameron or louise casey getting a whole pile on in the same way that this home secretary has. is that this home secretary has. is that because of the small boats problem, or is it because the tories are under pressure? what's your view on that? it feels different now. feels very different now. >> you know? i'd go a little >> do you know? i'd go a little bit than that. say bit further than that. i'd say it's braverman is it's because suella braverman is an example of what integration really looks like and not, as was said by another commentator today, that she's an example of multiculturalism. now on the contrary, she is an example of integration. yes. she's got her own identity, but she has embraced the british identity with it as well. and the point is that because she is so manifestly and obviously, if you like someone who ought, in the view of the left , to be view of the left, to be defending multiculturalism and yet here she is attacking it, that marks her out for special

attention. >> okay . but you've possibly the >> okay. but you've possibly the nail on the head. have we got the terminology completely wrong here? is multiculturalism actually the wrong word to use? and actually, what we've got very successfully is a multiethnic society . we focussed multiethnic society. we focussed around one british culture and that culture of fairness , of that culture of fairness, of decency, of tolerance , of decency, of tolerance, of respect, whether it's from shakespeare to cricket to churchill to james bond, these are the great things that we love and take huge pride in our history and maybe actually that is the right way to be looking at it. we're multi—ethnic and we've been, i would say, possibly the most successful in the western world at that over many, many decades. and we should celebrate that. and that this idea, that sort of multiculturalism in a sense, if you've got different cultures staying on different railway tracks and never the twain shall meet never the track shall meet then then actually that's what

creates the problems. and if you've got communities from 1—1 group, one culture staying in one area and not integrating , one area and not integrating, that's where problems arise . that's where problems arise. >> yeah, totally. i mean, this is the whole point. now, the terminology is correct in the sense because if you recall that labour government, the 97 labour government decided to bring in, if you like, this idea that come here, you don't need to integrate. i mean, blair subsequently discovered the problems of that, obviously. do your own thing and it won't be an of course it an issue. and of course it turned to be an immediate turned out to be an immediate issue and an immediate problem. and then, we've been and so since then, we've been wrestling this of the wrestling with this idea of the vision which vision you've suggested, which is vision for this is the right vision for this country, is doesn't matter country, which is doesn't matter where historically, where you're from historically, what background what what your background is, what your what matters your religion is, what matters is, are you prepared to buy in to what this society is offering to what this society is offering to buy into the values this society believes in and to be a part of that, maintaining your own identity , that's fine, but own identity, that's fine, but you've got to part of the you've got to be part of the broader whole and accept that when between, when there's a conflict between, if like, the moors of the

if you like, the moors of the old world, values of the old old world, the values of the old world and those of the new that you're you buy into you're in, that you buy into that new world side over the old. >> and i've done it myself actually, because i lived a couple of years in france and i bought into the wonderful french culture, cheese, the wine, culture, the cheese, the wine, the lunches. i mean, there the long lunches. i mean, there was huge things to embrace in the culture, which when the french culture, which when i came the uk, many of came back to the uk, many of those disappeared those things sort of disappeared the and had long the long lunch and had long gone. i think actually that gone. so i think actually that is it. when you go to live and enjoy and stay in a different country, you've actually got to embrace that local culture. and that's what we be saying that's what we should be saying to who come to live in the to those who come to live in the uk. we are one fantastic british culture. embrace it, enjoy it, use it, infuse it rather than say, no, i'm a separate culture on a separate railway track and i'm not going to mix and not integrate that. there is the road to ruin as our leaders have previously said, over well over a decade. >> well, you're quite right. but here's the interesting point. so this debate has gone on, as you've said, for over a decade.

we've seen the conversations. we've seen the conversations. we've been seeing. we've what we've been seeing. a lack is action to lack of, though, is action to make it happen. so time and time again, say there's again, people say there's a problem we've to do problem here, we've got to do better. then there's a lack better. but then there's a lack of deal with it. and you of how to deal with it. and you highlighted, for example, the case you baroness casey, case you review, baroness casey, the fonnard. now, the point she put fonnard. now, why that seven why is it the case that seven years after that review has come out , we still years after that review has come out, we still have not implemented what suggested implemented what she suggested were to stop that were remedies to stop that division, to stop that sort of artificial barriers between people. we need the government to get up and go beyond words now and to take those recommendations. >> but do you think the government is capable of that? the home secretary has made a strong speech , but will there be strong speech, but will there be any back up the united nations has already completely has already basically completely rejected a dusty, rejected the idea that a dusty, archaic old 70 year document should be amended and updated . should be amended and updated. does that tell you something about them or something about our home secretary >> well, the un is never going to do anything. i mean, it's always the product of the lowest common denominator and you can't

get change there. you have to have leaders who willing to have leaders who are willing to stand be counted and stand up to be counted and to show they're if show they're serious. so if she's serious about this, she can from her trip and can come home from her trip and she start implementing those she can start implementing those review to say this is review procedures to say this is my word now turning into action. >> well, my view is and i wrote this in the telegraph yesterday that we should say the prime minister back her and minister should back her up and say six months to amend say we need six months to amend the un 51 convention. othennise as a great one of the as a great strong one of the largest, most respected nation in world, we're out. i think in the world, we're out. i think thatis in the world, we're out. i think that is sort of shock and that is the sort of shock and all that's needed, frankly, to wake up a very complacent elite. but mendoza, thank you very but alan mendoza, thank you very much indeed putting that much indeed for putting that side of the debate. but of course, balance is very important and i'm delighted to be joined down the line by dr. rita drabu, who is the former secretary—general of the muslim council of britain and a gp. dr. hibbert, thank you so much for joining us on gb news. so you may have heard some of that debate there. obviously

yesterday was a very significant speech by the home secretary. she said that multiculturalism has failed, but it's not as though she's the first significant point cabinet member or leader of this country or indeed france. as we saw earlier there, who's raised this over more than a decade. why is there such a huge row against the home secretary now, such massive pushback when i don't recall that in previous years , i think that in previous years, i think we have to two things going on as far as suella braverman is concerned. >> we have a problem with the refugees who are actually piling up, waiting for justice or for a legal solution to their problem. and this is i feel is a diversion. there is multicoloured pluralism in my book has not failed . um, and book has not failed. um, and i noficed book has not failed. um, and i noticed that you're trying to mix ethnicity multi ethnicity and multiculturalism and values,

the values that are british values are universal values . values are universal values. they're not particular to us. so, you know, making it out as if everybody who comes into this country has different values , i country has different values, i think is erroneous. we see i have come to this country as i'm a second generation. my father came here as a refugee from kashmir via pakistan . i have got kashmir via pakistan. i have got four children and they're all embrace what we have here. they would embrace wherever they are, what is given to them or what is theirs. so i don't see in this country there is any i don't see multicultural ism as dead. and to be buried, i think something that we need to celebrate and we have it in this country. my four

kids are a great example . one of kids are a great example. one of them is married to an english boy, another one english, a dutch and a turk. what more could be what more can you say about this country that we can have such diversity? >> yeah, i get that. but would you accept that actually people coming from from different nafions coming from from different nations around the world. actually, they do have different values. regrettably women in some countries are treated as second class citizens in a very different way that we completely abhor. different way that we completely abhor . so i different way that we completely abhor. so i think actually we are respected for some of those things that are referred to. what i'm trying to do is find the positives. and you've you've seen tony blair said seen there that tony blair said multiculturalism seen there that tony blair said multi(cameron,1 seen there that tony blair said multi(cameron, nicholas sarkozy, david cameron, nicholas sarkozy, serious international leaders of their time, the casey review should we not focus as i suggested, on that different terminology ? i think we've been. terminology? i think we've been. i'm with you. i think multi—ethnicity . be around one multi—ethnicity. be around one great british culture that we should celebrate . we're probably should celebrate. we're probably the best in the world at. but i think i think it's this the

issue where if you've got large groups who sort of stay in their own communities with their own culture, then that actually becomes more of an issue, more of a problem, as our leaders have previously said. and i think you've got to understand that those cultures that are staying in one place will slowly get set free of that , you know, get set free of that, you know, that boundary. >> i think it's an evolving thing. i don't think multi culturalism is static and i don't think it's dead. i think it needs to be fed. i think it needs to be celebrated . i think needs to be celebrated. i think it needs to be invested in i think it needs to have education. i'm a great believer in multiculturalism. i have embraced four different cultures in my family. and, you know , in my family. and, you know, thatis in my family. and, you know, that is me. and i think politicians have to make a point . i'm sorry about eight things so that there is , you know, the so that there is, you know, the same that multiculturalism isn't working . it works for them as

working. it works for them as politician , as a just an politician, as a just an ordinary gp. looking at me around where i live , around where i live, multiculturalism is thriving. it's working . it's working. >> you think it's working? do you do you agree with me that actually maybe multi—ethnicity is a better way of describing it , given that many people previously have said that multiculturalism have failed? or do you think they're actually the terminology ? the same terminology? >> i mean, multi—ethnic and multiculturalism , you know, you multiculturalism, you know, you can call it what it is, but we're talking about human relationship here. >> we're talking about people, you know, understanding each other , not fearing. other, not fearing. >> and the integration of different people from different nafions different people from different nations around the world. and i think that's really interesting for me. i think that we've got we've got to be able to integrate, but we have to do at a pace that works for the local culture for british citizens . culture for british citizens. and that, i think, is one of the

big question that previous leaders have have referred to . leaders have have referred to. dr. reef sadly, time is against us, but i really do appreciate you coming on. it's been fascinating discussion. there we are. dr. reefat drabu, former secretary—general of the muslim council of britain and a gp. well, coming up after the break, we've got to talk about russian state cash. there's tens and tens and tens of billions of it in western central banks. maybe we should start using it to fund the defence of ukraine rather than using our own text, our own taxpayers cash . with me in the taxpayers cash. with me in the studio will be bill browder

no doubt there's a simple explanation when you're listening . listening. >> welcome back to farage on gb news this wednesday evening. well, we asked you that key question has multi culturalism failed in the united kingdom? we've had a good debate so far and your reaction is in. and i

tell you what, there's no nonsense here. arthur says yes , nonsense here. arthur says yes, multiculturalism has failed big time. paul says, yes, richard, it's failed. has come to boston, where i live. and you'll see for yourself if john says intergeneration was never going to work, the people of this country can't even get on. so people from different countries have got no chance . really, have got no chance. really, john, i think we can get on, can't we? there will only be anarchy ahead for this country. i'm not sure john's right on that. valerie says it has failed. we were never asked if we wanted it and we don't. well, i think that does raise a serious point. valerie we were never asked if we wanted mass immigration. indeed, politico all parties have election after election said they're going to bnng election said they're going to bring immigration down. and instead we've got absolutely the reverse . well, let's move on to reverse. well, let's move on to the second topic this evening , the second topic this evening, which is obviously the ukraine war is now in well into its second year. sadly serious concerns about how long it's going to go on, how long western

support for funding weapons to be sent to ukraine. and the cost of that when we've got our own cost of living crisis , as many cost of living crisis, as many people are really struggling and this is taxpayers cash not only in the uk, but other western nations. in the uk, but other western nafions.so in the uk, but other western nations. so actually, is there a different way of funding the support to ukraine? well, i'm delighted to be joined in the studio by bill browder, who is the head of the human rights activist group the global magnitsky justice campaign , magnitsky justice campaign, who's you've been essentially campaigning for. well over a decade, bill, against putin, against his regime, against everything his dictatorship that he stands for. and you've been looking at this really closely and actually you've got quite an interesting suggestion, haven't you ? you? >> yeah, i do indeed. so putin started this war february 24th, 2022. it was a totally unprovoked war. and he's done the most horrible damage to ukraine. of course, there's millions of refugees. there's $1

trillion of damage that's been done. and after the war started , the first thing that all the major western countries did was we froze the russian government's central bank reserves that are held in our banks essentially cash . cash, banks essentially cash. cash, right. so putin had a war chest. he had a total of $650 billion, 350 billion of that was held in our currencies in the united states and the uk and eu. et cetera. and we froze $350 billion, which is still there. which is still there. so put . which is still there. so put. putin has done all this damage. well, the easy thing to do here, before we dig into our own pockets and we've been doing a great job of helping ukraine is we should and some people are very concerned about that, how long we should keep funding it with taxpayers cash? well, there's easy solution to there's an easy solution to this. custody of $350 this. we have custody of $350 billion, not here all in the uk, but among our allies. we should

confiscate that money and we should use that money for the defence and reconstruction of ukraine. if let putin pay for the ukraine, the ukrainian invasion that he started instead of us paying for it. >> so you've got an extraordinary situation where what you're suggesting is essentially putin's cash essentially we use putin's cash to fund weapons for ukraine to fund the weapons for ukraine to fund the weapons for ukraine to defend itself against putin. quite an interesting virtuous sort of circle of the cash . sort of circle of the cash. >> i mean, it's a perfect storm. i mean, how would he react to that? well, so this is the interesting thing. so putin doesn't care. he's lost, in my estimate, about 300,000 soldiers, but he doesn't care. he doesn't care about losing soldiers. but i'll tell you what he does care about is he cares about cash. and if we were to confiscate that money in addition to giving the ukrainians the ability to win , ukrainians the ability to win, we would be poking him with two fingers in the eye. >> so , i mean, it's >> so, i mean, it's a fascinating suggestion and i would have thought it would get huge support from voters not only in the uk, but across other

western nations. what's actually going on in a sense , why are the going on in a sense, why are the leaders taking so long about what seems ? it's always hard, what seems? it's always hard, isn't it, with the lawyers and things, but what seems a pretty common sense solution, frankly? >> well, right about one >> well, you're right about one thing. voters, course, thing. the voters, of course, would it, every so would love it, every voter. so you go to the polls and say, you go out to the polls and say, who should for putin's war, who should pay for putin's war, putin or us? they say, let's have putin pay. that's that's an obvious thing. but what you get are these bureaucrats in the government who are saying, well, wait a second, we haven't ever done this before. it's not like, you know, i'm not sure. you know, have to think about it. know, we have to think about it. and sort of belly gazing in and the sort of belly gazing in the bureaucracy , see the the bureaucracy, see the procrastination means and the risk aversion means that nothing has happened. >> and that's not good enough. i mean, for me, i'm a man of action. i want stuff done. i don't want waffle and sort of constant navel gazing in various summits and things . but as summits and things. but as i understand the discussions really been about using putin's

cash to rebuild ukraine. but the first thing actually we've got to do is for ukraine to win the war, to get its land back, to push russia back. so why hasn't there been more discussion about using it for the for the defence of ukraine? what i mean, what are our allies waiting for? and actually could we in the uk, we've got what almost $30 billion we think in in the uk? couldn't we lead the way in a rather sort of churchillian style and say this is what's got to be done? i mean, boris johnson surely he would love that sort of approach. >> well, boris johnson was out there first western there first, first western leader ukraine. he was the leader into ukraine. he was the uk supplied storm shadow uk has supplied storm shadow missiles when everybody else was procrastinating. the procrastinating. we were the ones pushing the there's ones pushing the tanks. there's no why we can't lead on no reason why we can't lead on this whole thing. and we should be leading this whole be leading on this whole thing and, sometimes it's a and, and sometimes it's a smaller country that can get stuff done before the united states . and so is a no states. and so this is a no brainer. this is the most obvious thing. putin broke it. he should fix it. does it require legislation to do this

or actually, could we use existing legislation and say we're doing this we expect we're doing this and we expect other to follow other western nations to follow ? i we have to have new ? i think we have to have new legislation . we should have the legislation. we should have the russian confiscation for ukraine law or whatever you want to call it, that needs to be put in place. but it doesn't take to long put new legislation in place, when place, particularly when something a something so important as a major war is going on. >> absolutely, bill. fascinating. thank you so much for your thoughts. i think it's a really, interesting a really, really interesting idea use putin's cash to idea that we use putin's cash to fund the defence of ukraine. we might get some audience feedback later on or tomorrow on that bill browder, thank you so much indeed for coming in. and explaining that. fascinating new thought. we must thought. now, of course, we must look at what the government says along the government along this and the government spokesman well, spokesman has said, well, alongside our allies, we are, of course, to making sure course, committed to making sure that pays repair for that russia pays to repair for the country it has so recklessly attacked. we introduced legislation in july to keep russian assets frozen until russian assets frozen until russia has paid compensation to

ukraine. that doesn't quite answer my question, frankly . answer my question, frankly. those of you in number 10 and the government, i want to use that cash for the defence of ukraine so we're not using our own taxpayers cash. i want us to lead the way. let's see what they say about that. well, coming up after the break, good news. yes, the authorities have approved a huge new oil field in the north sea. the rosebank oil field. i think it's good news. but guess what? i'll be discussing with someone from just stop oil who doesn't agree with me. coming up

fine. you're listening to gb news radio . news radio. >> welcome back to farage on gb news. well, good news today , news. well, good news today, folks. yes, excellent news. we can use more of our own energy treasure in the north sea because the north sea transition authority that regulates exploration and production approvals in the north sea has

given its approval to a huge new, unexplored oil field called the rosebank oil field. it's got . some 350 million barrels of oil. this is a seriously large field . it could represent about field. it could represent about 8% of our daily needs, and it could actually be ready to produce and to be delivering oil in the next few years from between about 2026 through until 2030. vital surely that we use our own energy , we keep our jobs our own energy, we keep our jobs and our money here. it's what, after all, was so successful in the 1980s and the 1990s. but no surprise, not everybody is thrilled to bits. there's been lots of criticism, um, from various parliamentarians from the climate change committee and of course from campaign groups like just stop oil. i'm delighted now to be joined by a spokesperson for just oil, zoe cohen. good evening, zoe. thanks for joining me on gb news, forjoining me on gb news, really do appreciate it. so i

think this is good news. there's over £6 billion potential investment into the uk thousands and thousands of jobs and we become more self reliant on energy . and the other good news, energy. and the other good news, surely zoe is by using our own oil, we actually keep co two emissions down rather than import it from america or from the middle east. what's not to like? zoe hi, richard . like? zoe hi, richard. >> thanks for having me on. i mean, obviously i'm not surprised to hear that you have that attitude , given that gb that attitude, given that gb news is a channel that's actually funded by oil interests . so, you know, you guys are really oil news rather than news, aren't you? so i'm not really surprised to hear that. um, but, but pretty much everything you just said was actually misinformation , in actually misinformation, in fact, possibly even a lie. information about the quantity of misinformation on zoe , of misinformation on zoe, perhaps the barrels of oil might have been correct, richard, but the rest was pretty much rubbish. >> and it's going to be

available to produce in 3 to 4 years . years. >> that might be accurate , but >> that might be accurate, but the treasury is going to be a net loser on this. the people of this country, your audience, the families watching right now are not going to be better off in any way. so if you're watching this program , please do not this program, please do not believe the misinformation you're being fed. you are not going to be better off. it's not an energy security. your bills won't go down. this just this oil gets sold on the global market for the best, the highest bidder. doesn't even belong bidder. it doesn't even belong to the uk. it belongs to ecuador and the other oil companies that own the actual oil rigs. et cetera . it doesn't belong to us. cetera. it doesn't belong to us. it's not british oil. >> hang on. but the zoe. zoe the jobs most of the jobs are going to be here. it's going to bring billions of pounds here. it's a huge opportunity . see whether huge opportunity. see whether it's exported somewhere else or whatever. lots and lots of investment aren't in the uk, particularly through our expertise we know expertise in aberdeen. we know it was a huge generator. zoe we. zoe we know that it's been a

massive generator of wealth and prosperity for thousands of jobs and for people in this country. the government talks about energy security. what's your solution if you don't want this before ? before? >> sorry, i've got snugging internet a little bit here, but before i say that, you know , the before i say that, you know, the people who work in the industry want job security . long term job want job security. long term job security is going to come from working in renewables and related sectors. this is not a secure future either way. if we continue with new oil and gas, we either have economic, societal and climate collapse, which is forecast by 2040, by all sorts of esteemed scientists and the likes of kpmg, the globe. you can shake your head. of course. i do. >> shake me. i tell you why i'm so glad. zoe, you used kpmg. they forecast for the next decade every household in this country will have extra bills because of net zero of at least £1,000 . £1,000. >> that is a political choice ,

>> that is a political choice, isn't it, richard? there's plenty of money in this. >> i'll tell you what. no, it's real people's cash in their in their budgets that they haven't got. zoe that's what it is . got. zoe that's what it is. >> it's political says the multi—million are serious multi—million there are serious richard get real. you have no idea how ordinary people live. really see, actually, it's a political choice by people like you to push this agenda that it should. the cost should be lumped on ordinary people, the millionaires, the billionaires and the oil companies should be paying and the oil companies should be paying for all of this transition. ordinary people should not be paying for it. you're feeding misinformation and your audience. it's and lies to your audience. it's wrong. everyone watching needs to go to just stop oil org and join the streets. join us on the streets. marvellous promotion. join us on the streets. maizoe ous promotion. join us on the streets. maizoe oni promotion. join us on the streets. maizoe on the motion. join us on the streets. maizoe on the two on. join us on the streets. maizoe on the two things that i >> zoe on the two things that i called you out on for saying it was misinformation, you had to agree with me that it was accurate. so your solution zahawi presumably is renewables like let's just like offshore wind. let's just remind everybody, two weeks ago the had auction the government had an auction for five licences for for five new licences for offshore wind. and what sort of bids do they get? mean, how

bids do they get? i mean, how many of developers came many loads of developers came fonnard bids really low fonnard with bids at really low pnces fonnard with bids at really low prices everyone was prices that everyone was celebrating could be achieved? how came fonnard? zoe as how many came fonnard? zoe as far as i know, it didn't it wasn't a functional process. >> it didn't actually work because they set the levels too low that costs have gone up a bit and they set the levels too low, so they failed. it was government failure and i don't suspect for a minute that that was accident. they don't was an accident. they don't actually this actually really want this to work because forget work because let's not forget the conservative are the conservative party are funded by interests just funded by oil interests just like you've admitted like you, zoe, you've admitted that offshore industry that the offshore wind industry has because price has has failed because the price has to much, much higher interests. >> you've admitted , zoe, the >> you've admitted, zoe, the offshore wind auctions failed because they can't make it viable unless the price is way , viable unless the price is way, way higher. let me tell you what happened, richard. the developers, the developers , they developers, the developers, they didn't want to bid or say what the real price was because the price was too high and it would have humiliating and have been humiliating and embarrassing . embarrassing. >> rubbish. 10 billion a >> that's rubbish. 10 billion a yean >> that's rubbish. 10 billion a

year, £10 billion of taxpayers money goes to oil and gas subsidies by this government every single year. £10 billion of your hard earned cash to your audience is going to fossil fuel subsidies every year. i bet you don't talk about that, do you? i will talk about zoe. >> 15 billion of subsidies goes to the renewable industry, 80% of our wind farms offshore are overseas owned. so all those subsidies and profits are going offshore. zoe we will never agree, but it's great to have a spirited debate and let's see what our listeners say . so i'm what our listeners say. so i'm sure they'll go there. zoe i really appreciate that. i appreciate you coming on. i know you're committed and passionate about it. i wonder what our view is and listeners think about that. zoe was trying to hold up a sign there. look, i think i think she's completely wrong. i think she's completely wrong. i think this is good news for jobs, for energy security, me and i've proven it. the offshore wind industry, they can't make it work. they're embarrassed about the price they need in order to build wind turbines. they've got a real problem. now, i promised you that we'd have

some fun. with what the farage earlier. goodness me. this is extraordinary. yes we talk all about gender neutral toilets , about gender neutral toilets, and now we've got gender neutral names . it seems there's a bit of names. it seems there's a bit of a trend for babies now to be having to have some sort of new names. and i've got to be honest, it when i heard these, i didn't know myself. was it male ? was it boy or a girl? let's ? was it a boy or a girl? let's just look at some names. get your pen and paper out, see if your pen and paper out, see if you do better than i did. here we go, juno, asher, ray, rafi, and quinn. let's just pause for and quinn. let's just pause for a second. just jot the answers down as to what you think, what sexes you think those are. juno asher, rafi and quinn. and here are the answers coming up . let's are the answers coming up. let's see what they are so hopefully we can get those juno . juno, we can get those juno. juno, asher, rafi , and quinn. and the asher, rafi, and quinn. and the answers are , we've got a girl , answers are, we've got a girl, boy , girl, girl. i'll answers are, we've got a girl, boy , girl, girl . i'll repeat boy, girl, girl. i'll repeat that girl . boy, girl, girl. how

that girl. boy, girl, girl. how many did you get right there? did you get one right? did you get all four right or half and half . that is get all four right or half and half. that is the what the farage moment. i'm not sure nigel would have appreciated that. anyway coming up after the break, we are going to be talking to the co—founders of us for them about this new report that's come out about the harms to children. the lockdown harms and actually now, now we've got more and more charities groups recognising the harms were really significant. don't go anywhere. it'll be fascinating with molly kingsley and bella skinner in the studio. it's farage. it's

gb news. welcome back to farage on gb news. the last segment of the show, but actually incredibly important because a new report is out today. what about the children? it sort of says what it says on the tin, doesn't it, which has been released by a

group of a variety of charities, campaign groups in this report, really significant as we head towards the second module of the covid 19, an inquiry. towards the second module of the covid19, an inquiry. i'm delighted to be joined in the studio by the directors of us . studio by the directors of us. for them, molly kingsley and bella skinner from us. for them, a very good good evening. thanks for joining me in the studio. you've involved in the you've been involved in the production of this report , but production of this report, but just tell us about the key findings and what this sort of leads into in terms of the inquiry ahead. bella ukip cove i think when you're talking about the inquiry and this is the really important module which is all issues around all about the issues around lockdown decisions made lockdown and the decisions made around the npis and issues at xl bully, children were not going to be part of this. >> the core reason for this, this report is to actually say hello. baroness hallett why aren't you addressing issues aren't you addressing the issues around children ? isn't gavin around children? why isn't gavin williamson there ? when you've williamson there? when you've looked the report, very looked at the report, it very clearly shows the issues around around lockdown, the fact that children were not considered, the fact that things like

playgrounds up, the playgrounds were locked up, the fact that no issues fact that we had no issues around outdoor transmission and yet to stay inside yet children had to stay inside things like the rule of two rule of six. but then you get on to the really big things around the education happened education issues that happened as horrific as well as the horrific safeguarding problems that we saw. safeguarding problems that we saw absolutely. safeguarding problems that we saviabsolutely. and molly, some >> absolutely. and molly, some of some of the sort of the of the some of the sort of the comments from from children, from people, i mean, from young people, i mean, utterly devastating. the one that that really struck me was left on edge and, you know, left on the edge and, you know, just just some devastating things, the mental health impact, the lack of education and tell us about sweden, because that's really important in this debate. yeah >> i mean, sweden is obviously used as a counterexample, isn't it? but it is very interesting with the children because sweden , by and large, did not close their schools. it's not quite right their schools. it's not quite fight no right to say there were no school closures. the older kids, 16, 16, 17 year olds did do 16, 17, 16, 17 year olds did do some remote learning. there were a few localised closures , but a few localised closures, but they had no prolonged mass closures. and guess what? there was no learning loss. so we know

in the uk there has been very significant learning loss, particularly for already disadvantaged children . and what disadvantaged children. and what emerges from sweden is there's no learning loss and actually the disadvantaged children have not sunk further behind. so this inequity that really marred our own pandemic response is absent from the swedish response. >> but we've spoken about this a lot. and frankly, whenever i relook at this and i see these reports, i have to say the blood boils. it sends me steaming mad because because it was so blatantly obvious. and yet as an longfield, the former children's commissioner , she said, children commissioner, she said, children were put at the back of the queue. i mean, what's going on? why did this happen? >> well, i think that's another question the inquiry have to answer and look at why did people it was almost people feel it was almost impossible to speak out on this subject? we one of the very few people were speaking and people who were speaking out and talking at the time and talking about it at the time and everyone this issue. everyone was seeing this issue. everyone seeing the impact everyone was seeing the impact that happening on children

that was happening on children and we were seeing the social impacts we were seeing it impacts and we were seeing it being sage talked about being written. sage talked about it, one was really brave it, but no one was really brave enough about it because enough to talk about it because people censored people people were censored and people felt uncomfortable. i felt very uncomfortable. so i think we need to be looking at why did feel so why did people feel so uncomfortable about talking why did people feel so uncorrsomethingnout talking why did people feel so uncorrsomething that:alking why did people feel so uncorrsomething that isking why did people feel so uncorrsomething that is sog about something that is so fundamentally right. well, >> absolutely right. so, well, let's hear what the government's spokesman department of spokesman at the department of education asked them. education said. we asked them. they in school is they said time in school is vital for children's vital for a children's education. well being and future life chances. well, we know that. children were that. we know children were amongst those most affected by the pandemic , and we're helping the pandemic, and we're helping them catch up academically as well as socially. and they talk about the multi billions that are being poured the are being poured into the recovery have recovery programme. i have to say , the other thing that drives say, the other thing that drives me mad you these me mad is when you get these mealy mouthed government quotes that don't answer the question. what from the government what i want from the government is apology that they actually is an apology that they actually got this wrong and sweden got it right . right. >> i think an apology in action and funding actually. so you know, the government so far have given about £4 billion in

recovery funding. and you might remember height of remember that at the height of the school closures, they appointed sir kevan collins as recovery that recovery tsar, he estimated that 13.5 billion was needed. now this was an independent government appointed expert, so they have given a fraction of they have given a fraction of the amount that was estimated as necessary and that was before actually the full duration of closures. and what about a commitment to not do it again? so words are meaningless . words so words are meaningless. words are very cheap. how about you actually sign into law ? one of actually sign into law? one of the one of the recommendations made in this report, which is schools to be designated essential infrastructure so they cannot be closed at the stroke of a minister's pen ever again. >> is there an alternative approach, almost like the government approach that says, actually, we knew children were the least at risk? we knew that teachers, more elderly teachers , others were at risk and they wanted prevent the spread. wanted to prevent the spread. and in a sense they might almost say, i feel like a heretic saying it. actually was saying it. that actually it was an acceptable price for children

to suffer that loss, to protect others. i mean, is that their approach? was that what they were thinking? >> well, you'd like to think that they actually had done a benefit and risk analysis to actually decision . actually make that decision. there's evidence they ever there's no evidence they ever did benefit and risk analysis did a benefit and risk analysis to make that a decision, even did a benefit and risk analysis to evens that a decision, even did a benefit and risk analysis to even debate decision, even did a benefit and risk analysis to even debate whether, even did a benefit and risk analysis to even debate whether they ven did a benefit and risk analysis to even debate whether they were putting adults before children and actually kind of and actually what kind of society are we if we don't put children before adults? >> i agree entirely . but do you >> i agree entirely. but do you trust, even if they put it into law, do you trust them second time round and not to change their mind again? >> we look at, you >> so we have to look at, you know, beyond children, the governance structures , the governance structures, the accountability structures. here's an idea. why don't we introduce criminal sanctions for failure to do a risk assessment that crystallise minds? that might crystallise minds? >> might do, but of course, i >> it might do, but of course, i mean, if you look before the pandemic, it was never part of the pre pandemic planning to close schools. in fact, i think it was specifically said not to close wasn't it? close schools. wasn't it? >> that clear cut yet. >> not quite that clear cut yet. there was no plan for blanket

school closures. that's that's definitely right. so we've >> absolutely right. so we've got to learn that lesson. but the second module of the inquiry, children are not going to represented far. to be represented so far. i mean, when are children going to be represented at inquiry? be represented at this inquiry? >> really good >> well, that's a really good question. baroness hallett, question. so baroness hallett, after the terms reference after the terms of reference came they weren't actually came and they weren't actually including she has including children, she has added children in, but the decision been made decision has been made that children have their own children will have their own separate which is separate module, which is actually an actually called education, an that announced yet. that hasn't been announced yet. the first six have been announced. we're probably the first six have been announ(maybe we're probably the first six have been announ(maybe startingobably the first six have been announ(maybe starting lately the first six have been announ(maybe starting late 25, 25. >> yeah, it's only 2023. i want this whole thing finished next yean this whole thing finished next year. i don't want to wait till 2025 and all our children will have been grown up, grown up by then. unbelievable. bella. molly you've done such sterling work. thank you so much for what you're doing. keep campaigning . you're doing. keep campaigning. we've got to keep battling on. we've got to keep battling on. we've got to keep battling on. we've got to keep advancing, keep you very keep succeeding. thank you very much of success, much indeed. talking of success, this a very important day this is a very important day because as jacob rees—mogg, who joins me in the studio this evening, he's actually had one

of his greatest days , i suspect. of his greatest days, i suspect. jacob, i think you've been somewhere rather special today to have a little tap on the shoulder, possibly. >> i have, i've >> i have, indeed. i've had a wonderful. us about wonderful. well, tell us about it. was at windsor castle it. well i was at windsor castle and the princess dubbed me and the princess royal dubbed me on shoulder to you. don't on either shoulder to you. don't say a rise, sir galahad. you've all done silently. and then you stand up and have a have a little chat. so, no, it was a very exciting day. three of my children and my wife. oh, how joyous with me it was, really. they must have been proud of you. >> absolutely fantastic. >> absolutely fantastic. >> exciting. you a little nervous? >> even you, jacob, sir. jacob i'm going to to used to this. >> you don't want to fall over, do you? or certainly not. or curtsy rather than which is curtsy rather than bow, which is always the most embarrassing thing a man to i think. thing for a man to do, i think. well, i hope you've recovered from the excitement. >> coming your >> what's coming up on your show? bit of a row show? i've had a bit of a row with just stop oil this evening, jacob, it's fair to say. >> well, i'm going be talking >> well, i'm going to be talking about subject. this is about similar subject. this is such news that we're going such good news that we're going ahead drilling of new ahead with the drilling of new fields. maximise size fields. we need to maximise size our every barrel of our own output every barrel of oil produce is a barrel of

oil we produce is a barrel of oil we produce is a barrel of oil don't have to buy from oil we don't have to buy from saudi from russia, saudi arabia or from russia, though arabia's a friend though saudi arabia's a friend of ours and russia isn't. but this market. it this helps the global market. it helps security. it means helps energy security. it means we're dependent people completely. >> and actually, amazingly, it reduces co2 emissions rather than shipping it than shipping from shipping it from other side of the from the other side of the world. butjust faux from the other side of the world. but just faux pas don't seem to get that argument. jacob well, they want well, that's because they want to the economy. to close down the economy. >> political zealots >> they're political zealots rather who want rather than people who want to get to in a planned and get to net zero in a planned and intelligent way. and actually i think net is think the route to net zero is to take to and wait for to take time to and wait for technologies and to recognise we're going to be using a lot of fossil fuels. absolutely right, for to come. fossil fuels. absolutely right, for she to come. fossil fuels. absolutely right, for she had)me. fossil fuels. absolutely right, for she had no 5. fossil fuels. absolutely right, for she had no answers when >> and she had no answers when i challenged her on the key issue of offshore and the of offshore wind and the complete of the recent complete failure of the recent auction new licences, auction for the new licences, no answer at all. >> offshore wind all well and >> offshore wind is all well and good, except when the wind doesn't blow. then you need doesn't blow. and then you need to your gas stations. to power up your gas stations. >> either that you've got to >> either that or you've got to buy candles buy buy some candles or buy shares in torch company. anyway, i'll in a torch company. anyway, i'll be back tomorrow night. you've been me here on farage. been watching me here on farage.

on coming up, it's on gb news. coming up, it's jacobs of the nation. it's jacobs state of the nation. it's the weather. >> the is rising boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey. who is your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. storm agnes is continuing to provide some quite blustery, very strong winds. those winds really peaking throughout this evening through the irish sea. still potential for 65 to 75 mile an hour winds along some very exposed coastal areas and over hills. so do continue to take care. it will be accompanied by some heavy pulses of rain pushing northern england some heavy pulses of rain pusint0j northern england some heavy pulses of rain pusinto scotland thhern england some heavy pulses of rain pusinto scotland ,thern england some heavy pulses of rain pusinto scotland , generallyland up into scotland, generally elsewhere across northern ireland, wales, southern half of england, will drier into england, it will turn drier into the of the night the second half of the night and the second half of the night and the winds slowly begin to the winds will slowly begin to ease but there's enough ease out. but there's enough breeze to really mix up breeze around to really mix up the air and that will prevent temperatures too the air and that will prevent tempe at :ures too the air and that will prevent tempe at all. . too the air and that will prevent tempe at all. so too the air and that will prevent tempe at all. so a too the air and that will prevent tempe at all. so a relatively too much at all. so a relatively mild start to thursday whilst the winds will the strongest winds will be easing it still easing tomorrow, it will still be fairly day for many be a fairly breezy day for many of us. but once rain across

of us. but once the rain across the north clears off, a good the far north clears off, a good chunk of us should see a largely dry day. still with a fair amount of cloud around some bnght amount of cloud around some bright trying push bright intervals trying to push their before this their way through before this rain begins spread its way rain begins to spread its way in from west. on, from the west. later on, temperatures generally around 17 to friday, we to to 19 c. on friday, we start to see high pressure, see this area of high pressure, want build its way from want to build its way in from the south. low pressure is the south. so low pressure is still clinging the north still clinging on in the north and that continue to and that will continue to provide gusty winds at provide some gusty winds at times parts of scotland, times for parts of scotland, continuing showers continuing to bring some showers as once the rain in as well. but once the rain in the far south—east does clear its way off on friday, a good amount wales and amount of england, wales and southern of northern southern half of northern ireland should see ireland as well should see a fairly day with sunny fairly fine day with some sunny intervals in the mixture as well. be there relatively well. we'll be there relatively changeable the changeable as we head into the weekend. longer weekend. some showers and longer spells of rain for

gb news. >> hello good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight. now i try not to gas about myself, but today i

had the amazing honour of being invested as a knight bachelor by the princess royal at windsor castle . the princess royal is so castle. the princess royal is so fantastic and charming, and it was really thrilling to be tapped on the shoulder by her. i was actually there wearing my old school uniform, which has lasted many decades , and i can lasted many decades, and i can tell you exclusively to gb news viewers that you don't get told a rise sir galahad that is merely in the movies anyway . merely in the movies anyway. they triumph for the british energy sector. good news at last . britain's largest untapped oil field has received the green light from the regulator to begin drilling, light from the regulator to begin drilling , though it has begin drilling, though it has upset the usual suspects , it's upset the usual suspects, it's expected to create 1600 new jobs, raise a fortune for the treasury, and most importantly , treasury, and most importantly, help the diversity and pricing of the global market. a home secretary has faced a backlash for saying that multiculturalism has failed, but the problems from a lack of integration in society don't affect the

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