good morning . it's 930 on good morning. it's 930 on thursday, the 28th of september. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. with me, andrew pierce and emily carver. >> it is lawless britain. the community in south london are grieving the loss of a 15 year old girl who was stabbed to death in her school uniform. a 17 year old boy has been arrested. >> this is every parent's worst nightmare . and i know the nightmare. and i know the officers who responded this morning along with our emergency service colleagues, are devastated at the victim's death i >> that was the local police chief superintendent andy brittain , and government brittain, and government minister richard holden has told gb news breakfast they are not ruling out a massive ramping up

of stop and search powers to tackle knife crime . tackle knife crime. >> i'm certainly not against that. we've got there are powers there and local police forces can use them when necessary. when there are issues on the ground . we need to get these ground. we need to get these knives off the street in a gb news exclusive . news exclusive. >> the mayor of manchester, andy burnham, has told us how he wants to clean up greater manchester's air without out a ulez style charging zone. >> finally, the people of greater manchester and now the bosses of the buses . it's the bosses of the buses. it's the other way around. >> good for him . war on >> good for him. war on motorists. wales is new 20 mile an hour speed limit is causing ructions and buses are running late and it's forced one major operator to change its timetable. we're in north wales to get the latest . already over to get the latest. already over after just being enforced for 11 days here in wales. >> there's a huge petition of over 400,000 people calling for this 20 mile an hour limit to be

scrapped. i'll have the latest . scrapped. i'll have the latest. >> that was our very own jack carson, of course. and the climate change minister in the welsh government. he's in big trouble. a petition, i think, 450,000 people saying he should be sacked . be sacked. >> it's very interesting that andy burnham is ruling out a ulez style scheme. yeah very interesting politics there. yeah >> opposed to the london >> as opposed to the london mayor, khan's ulez scheme, mayor, sadiq khan's ulez scheme, which seen poll lead which has seen his poll lead shnnk which has seen his poll lead shrink just three points in shrink to just three points in the mayoral mayoral race. >> which more popular , i >> which is more popular, i wonder andy or sadiq ? let us wonder andy or sadiq? let us know and do let us know what you think about that dreadful tragedy, that stabbing in london of girl. do you of 15 year old girl. do you think it is time for more? stop and search or do you worry about discrimination and things like that around that issue? do let us know. vaiews@gbnews.com. but before we get stuck in, let's get the news with . lisa good

get the news with. lisa good morning . morning. >> it's 934. i'm lisa hartle in the newsroom. rose and local transport minister richard holden says the government will not stop. not roll out, stop and search after a 15 year old girl was stabbed to death on her way to school in south london. a 17 year old boy who knew the victim is being questioned in custody after being arrested in croydon yesterday morning. just over an hour after the attack. tributes have been paid with the members of the public leaving flowers and near the scene. the and cards near the scene. the girl's school described her as a valued friend and pupil. girl's school described her as a valued friend and pupil . the valued friend and pupil. the labour leader has denied launching an attack on private schools with his plans to impose vat payments on fees if he wins an election. sir keir starmer says he's comfortable with the institutions he wants to ensure state schools are of equal quality. he also encourages private schools not to raise fees due to the additional costs imposed by the policy . it imposed by the policy. it

experts are calling on the prime minister to prioritise ai ethics dunng minister to prioritise ai ethics during a safety summit next month. a survey by bcs, the chartered institute for it, found that 88% of tech experts want the uk to lead in setting global ethical standards for al. the government says it's actively working with partners to develop ethical standards . to develop ethical standards. new laws in northern ireland have been implemented, preventing the public from attending trials for serious sexual offences . the law extends sexual offences. the law extends the anonymity for victims until 25 years after their death and provides anonymity for .suspects until they are charged. the measures suggested by sir john gillan's review aims to protect victims and encourage reporting of sexual crimes . you can get of sexual crimes. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website , visiting our website, gb news.com. visiting our website, gbnews.com. now back to andrew and bev .

and bev. >> well, huge story , isn't it? >> well, huge story, isn't it? and a terrible story . as sarah and a terrible story. as sarah vine wrote in the daily mail today, every parent's nightmare. you wave off your child school , you wave off your child school, she gets on the school bus, stabbed to death in a school uniform , 15 across all of the uniform, 15 across all of the papers as you can imagine, every single paper, i think, is highlighting this horrendous. >> it's got to the stage where there is a shock factor when it comes to these things, but people getting used to knife people are getting used to knife crime being normal and knife crime being normal and knife crime getting younger and younger. the younger. the victims and the perpetrators. so really is perpetrators. so it really is quite shocking. >> machete, machete, blade and a 17 year old has been arrested . 17 year old has been arrested. and obviously, we can't get into the detail here. but this is happening not just in london. happening notjust in london. it's happening in inner it's happening in our inner cities across country. cities across the country. >> happening across the >> it's happening across the country. are a of country. and there are a lot of questions, aren't there really ? questions, aren't there really? and stop this? who is and how can we stop this? who is to blame? is it the perpetrator? is issue parental is there an issue of parental responsibility is there responsibility or is there something going in our something going wrong in our culture, social media? why something going wrong in our culithese social media? why something going wrong in our culithese kids cial media? why something going wrong in our culithese kids being edia? why something going wrong in our culithese kids being able�* why something going wrong in our culithese kids being able to hy something going wrong in our culithese kids being able to get are these kids being able to get their hands on these machetes?

we're to find out more we're going to find out more about our about that later from our investigates. reporter charlie peters. does seem as peters. but it does seem as though we're at a crisis point. and i've been looking at the numbers very interesting. stop and search is massively down from its peak in sort of 2009, 2010. and whenever people say we need more, stop and search, there's always quite a backlash because, of course, black men are more likely to be stopped . are more likely to be stopped. also, asian ethnic minority are also more likely to be stopped than white people. so how can we make stop and search work? because if it's taking knives off the streets, then i think there should be more of it, don't you? >> need to talk to one of our >> we need to talk to one of our guests studio, of guests here in the studio, of course, our very course, who's our very own estimate, apart being estimate, who, apart from being a fabulous presenter is a fabulous presenter here, is a tory esther theresa may, as tory mp, esther theresa may, as home secretary she was one who said, we've got to scale back, stop and search because of the impact disproportionately , she impact disproportionately, she said, on the black community. now that's changed since priti patel home secretary but patel became home secretary but that got to be more stop and

that has got to be more stop and search. isn't that the answer? one of the answers? >> agree with that. >> well, i agree with that. i think you've got to look at prevention and what are the various routes to prevent people having knives, are having these knives, which are illegal. so can't say the illegal. so you can't say the knives to be you knives need to be illegal. you can't something more can't make something more illegal already is. illegal because it's already is. so got to look at the so you've got to look at the prevention. so stop and search. yes, quite right. people yes, you're quite right. people thought the sensitivities. thought about the sensitivities. it impacted black people and ethnic minorities disproportionately. however, what also say the what i would also say the victims of these crimes also , victims of these crimes also, though, impacted disproportionately people of black and ethnic minority . black and ethnic minority. therefore, i would say, of course , you've got to do more course, you've got to do more stop and search. i'm interested in the victim. right. and therefore and it's always got to be intelligence led, which it was. it's not anybody. there will be intelligence led to why you'd be stopping those of course, we've got to do more of it. but esther, i think a lot of conservative would conservative mps would agree with people in the government. >> so why have do you think >> so why have why do you think stop search has fallen from stop and search has fallen from a peak of 1.5 million in 2009 to

now only 547,000? stop and searches ? why has there been searches? why has there been that massive drop? >> because there was an outcry about this disproportionate city. and i guess you listen to the public, i have to say those of the left did the biggest sort of the left did the biggest sort of we do not want this and they stopped it. and then i would say we weren't bold enough as conservatives to go fonnard with this. theresa may didn't want to do any more. however, that is in the past. we are here now. we can look at those numbers. i think we can now talk about it in a far more rational way. think we can now talk about it in a far more rational way . yes, in a far more rational way. yes, there's a disproportionality , there's a disproportionality, but like i said, both ways stopped and search, but also the victims. and we want to stop this before we bring in norman victims. and we want to stop this beyou we bring in norman victims. and we want to stop this beyou wantring in norman victims. and we want to stop this beyou want tog in norman victims. and we want to stop this beyou want to ask norman victims. and we want to stop this beyou want to ask you nan victims. and we want to stop this beyou want to ask you about baker, you want to ask you about machetes, because rishi sunak, at the end of august said we are going stop these machetes. going to stop these machetes. >> be banned >> they're going to be banned from. we're going from. so we're going to be showing little in the showing a little later in the programme easy it is to buy programme how easy it is to buy one. why has it taken so one. esther why has it taken so long can can they not long and can they can they not

just do it in one day because there'll be all party agreement? >> surely they are banned. it isn't problem they are isn't the problem that they are illegal. that, as illegal. it's the fact that, as i can't make anything i said, you can't make anything more than it but more illegal than it is. but then it is the oversight. so not only stop and search of individuals as you're now going to to into places to have to go into the places where they being sold, you where they are being sold, you are to to do far more are going to have to do far more of seeing where the source is and on that as and clamping down on that as well. said, all of well. as said, all forms of prevention because it isn't going single route to going to be a single route to stop and then stop this. is there. and then you're to have to look as you're going to have to look as well at the sentencing. we might talk about that in moment. you talk about that in a moment. you know, there are sentencing if you're carrying a knife, you know, sentence of four know, a maximum sentence of four years, you're carrying years, if you're carrying it without our without a purpose. so our minimum rates, if you're caught with however , you're with it twice, however, you're this happening. a third of this isn't happening. a third of people and by the last reckoning weren't even though weren't sentenced even though they should have been because it was repeat offence. that's the was a repeat offence. that's the problem. is to problem. sentencing is to prevention and deterrent. >> and also how do we stop young men, particularly young black men, particularly young black men, thinking it's cool to leave

the house in the morning with a blade because that's what's happening, right? so this boy, we can't get into details , but we can't get into details, but also say as well as a societal issue and we've all got to come together on it. >> you mentioned before, emily, there about parental responsibility. i'm wondering how did a child leave the house to go to school with a machete? amazing what is going on in a household to think that that was acceptable? yeah absolutely. >> norman, what do you think? do you think stop and search is an illiberal policy? because, of course, if you are stopped and searched, it's not very nice, is it not? >> well, i looked at this a great deal when i was crime prevention minister in the government. actually came government. it actually came within area and esther's within my area and esther's picked up one word, which is absolutely right, which is prevention and prevention . and prevention and prevention. and when you get to stop and search is too late because you is almost too late because you only a number of only pick up a small number of weapons at that particular point, of them will get point, most of them will get through because you can't stop

and search everybody. so the idea must be to try to dissuade people from having knives with them first place. now two them in the first place. now two things i saw quite well. things i saw worked quite well. we do more of those. one we need to do more of those. one was having diverse , was actually having diverse, ordinary activities for young people, or 2 really people, and i saw 1 or 2 really good examples where kids who had been street were actually been on the street were actually taken to with to deal taken off to deal with to deal with boxing or to deal with other diverted other activities which diverted them onto something useful. yeah. and secondly, there was an organisation , i think it's organisation, i think it's called red thread from my memory , young people themselves , where young people themselves who've been subject to knife crime be employed , crime would then be employed, tried to and see someone who tried to go and see someone who had been stabbed. i mean a young person who'd been carrying a knife had been stabbed because they able to get stabbed they were able to get stabbed at see they involved in see if they were involved in themselves. and then we go down to and say, look, to the hospital and say, look, guys, this is not guys, you know, this is not sensible. really want to sensible. do you really want to get with this and waste get involved with this and waste your life like this? so you know their own compatriots, their own age, to dissuade age, were to going dissuade them. things age, were to going dissuade them. work things age, were to going dissuade them. work quite things age, were to going dissuade them. work quite well. igs age, were to going dissuade them. work quite well. so i actually work quite well. so i think we do need to look at prevention, win back one stage

as well other things like prevention, win back one stage as well sure :her things like prevention, win back one stage as well sure we things like prevention, win back one stage as well sure we try ngs like prevention, win back one stage as well sure we try to; like prevention, win back one stage as well sure we try to clamp down making sure we try to clamp down on availability of machetes. on the availability of machetes. >> an issue in >> is there an issue also in some houses where there the some houses where there is the absence male? that problem? >> norman it is. it is. and actually without without being controversial, there are particular elements society particular elements of society where more where fathers are more absent than society. where fathers are more absent thanthat society. where fathers are more absent thanthat can society. where fathers are more absent thanthat can be society. where fathers are more absent thanthat can be a society. where fathers are more absent thanthat can be a problem.ety. and that can be a problem. there's no father figure there. you can control what young, what boys esther was boys do, but also, esther was right. another thing, we have to make uncool carry these make it uncool to carry these things. people think it's things. why do people think it's cool to carry knife? actually cool to carry a knife? actually sometimes think it's sometimes they do think it's cool. sometimes they think they're attacked. they're going to be attacked. and in their and it's a way, in their analysis of protecting themselves of weapon on them. >> well, it's so widespread on on social media. yeah. and it is cool. and it does as say, cool. and it does as you say, a dearth of male positive male role models. well, perhaps in the home. agree with that? >> i do. and then i look how have you'd think young kids from you'd say decent families ended up in gangs and then you look at sort of the various issues that have into that because you have gone into that because you know , been at that as know, been looking at that as you you know, in your

you would, you know, in your constituency surgeries and you might instance where might have an instance where there's kid every day there's a young kid every day bullied school and bullied going into school and then somebody says, we'll stop then somebody says, we'll stop the bullying . you won't be the bullying. you won't be bullied anymore. we'll protect you time they get you the next time they get bullied , they're protected. and bullied, they're protected. and before they're before they know it, they're caught some sort of gang caught up in some sort of gang culture. so there are lots of reasons can drawn reasons that people can be drawn in. not cool to carry a in. it's not cool to carry a knife anything that. knife or anything like that. i don't want to use those don't even want to use those words. it is certainly not. it is a cowardly, underhand criminal practise to do that, and should be and that's how they should be labelled. anything other labelled. not anything other than . than that. >> lots of there needs >> they need lots of there needs to lots cool people out to be lots of cool people out there saying that, don't there saying that, yeah, i don't think come under that label, think i come under that label, but you very much. but thank you very much. >> i mean cool in my life and norm is cool, especially in norm is very cool, especially in that jacket. >> right. >> right. >> thank you much >> well, thank you very much indeed. mcvey and norman baken >> so we're going to talk now to arlene foster because a former soldier of killing soldier accused of killing a londonderry more londonderry teenager more than 50 years died . 50 years ago has died. >> yes, daniel hegarty was shot on the 31st of july, 1972 during operations by the army to reclaim no go areas set up by

republican paramilitaries in towns across northern ireland. >> hegarty's family have accused the public prosecution service of legal of dragging out the legal case, but who, they said, never really wanted to prosecute the former soldier. >> northern ireland's social democratic and labour party leader colin eastwood said there had been institutions failings in the case and that it showed the strategy for the uk government's strategy for deaung the uk government's strategy for dealing with legacy issues would not work well. >> arlene foster , of course, is >> arlene foster, of course, is one of us here on gb news and the former first minister of northern ireland, arlene . this northern ireland, arlene. this is very sad, isn't it? this this gentleman died. he we only know him as soldier b with these legal proceedings still hanging over his, still hanging over him . yes indeed. >> it's really good to be with you this morning. this is a very sad case overall. all this was a young 15 year old labourer who was shot in the early hours of july 31, 1972. he he was shot dead by a soldier at the time. there was operate an motorman

going on in the creggan area of londonderry, a very febrile atmosphere. republican had taken over the area and the army had been sent in to deal with the unrest . and been sent in to deal with the unrest. and this young man was shot. unrest. and this young man was shot . this case was investigated shot. this case was investigated by the royal military police back in the 1970s. there was then an inquest which said that then an inquest which said that the youth had posed no risk and that he had been shot without warning . and that led to an warning. and that led to an investigation, again, opened again. and the public prosecution service decided to prosecute a soldier known as soldier b, they then decided not to go ahead with that prosecution . then in 2021, after prosecution. then in 2021, after another failed prosecution of two other soldiers , it's quite two other soldiers, it's quite complicated. as you can hear andrew and emily. but in august of this year , that decision not of this year, that decision not to go ahead with the prosecution was quashed by the court of

appeal. so this old soldier has died with this prosecution hanging over him. well, you've been speaking to the victim of sexual abuse by an ira man about the legacy, haven't you ? the legacy, haven't you? >> your . >> your. >> your. >> yeah, i've been speaking to maria carroll, who has just published a book on her experience at the hands of the ira. she was abused by an ira man when she was just 16. and then the ira decided that they would investigate this themselves . and she talks about themselves. and she talks about that, but she talks about wider legacy issues as well, including the new legacy legislation, which has just gone through the house of commons. and i think we'd see a little clip of that. now there are reliant on the cooperation of former paramilitaries to provide evidence or information to people who are nursing their hurt quietly at home, who have been bereaved or seriously injured as a result of the conflict. >> there . if the ira have gone,

>> there. if the ira have gone, i don't believe they have. but gerry adams is arguing that they have. if they have gone and we follow the republican movement logic here and there is no corporate way then of verifying anything anybody been anything anybody has been involved no one, no involved in, then no one, no republican will come fonnard in any case to provide any any legacy case to provide any meaningful information or resolution for anybody. and the british government have gone on a huge exercise here, which really has protected its own army veterans, i think. i mean, that was obviously the reason that was obviously the reason that the legislation was brought in, because they felt it was unfair and i think what they have done quite stupidly, in my view, is put their own army veterans now on a par with the ira who were fighting ira members who were fighting them . them. >> is she right about that, arlene? >> what maria? well, i think essentially what she's saying is that the veterans have been put on a par with so—called ira veterans , criminals who veterans, criminals who conducted a campaign of violence and terror in northern ireland and terror in northern ireland andindeed

and terror in northern ireland and indeed across the uk for over 30 years. what this legislation does is it says that if you come fonnard and tell the victim's family what happened in their particular case, then you won't face prosecution. so whether you're a veteran and the legislation was put in place to protect veterans or whether you're someone who conducted a heinous crime like the enniskillen bomb , then if you enniskillen bomb, then if you come fonnard and tell your case, you'll be given an amnesty. so essentially what maria cahal is saying is that we are putting veterans, people who went out to protect society on the same level as ira men. >> thank you very much indeed for your time. arlene that's arlene foster, former first minister of northern ireland. and, of course, the gb news. did you have something? >> no, i was going to say we can, of course, see the full interview this weekend with arlene. yes we can. >> we can indeed. now our reporter, jack carson has been investigating wales mile investigating wales new 20 mile per speed apparently per hour speed limit. apparently it's causing a few operational

challenges, not least for bus operators us now ? operators. is he with us now? >> oh, there he is. >> oh, there he is. >> he's on west midlands. reporter jack carson , what have reporter jack carson, what have you found out for us about this speed limit ? speed limit? >> well, yeah. good morning to you both. wales of course. 11 days ago we introduced this 20 mile an hour speed limit. it meant that 34% of roads now across the country are 20 mile an hour as replacing the previous default speed limits of 30. and it has caused widespread backlash with people across the country because a petition on the senate website has now got over 400,000 signatures calling for this 20 mile an hour limit to be scrapped. sam rowlands, who's the minister of the senate or member of the senate, rather, for north wales, joins me now. sam you're a conservative. you know , in your position, wales know, in your position, wales said this was going to be, you know, the welsh labour party said this would be in their manifesto. and they said it was going to bring this in. so it

shouldn't really a surprise shouldn't really be a surprise that this 20 mile an hour speed limit has been rolled out across the well, think what we need to >> well, i think what we need to remember is that in that manner, festo, it was just words. festo, it was just nine words. so was within so you're right, it was within the depths of lots papennork the depths of lots of papennork work, but nine words than perhaps being completely work, but nine words than perfront being completely work, but nine words than perfront about being completely work, but nine words than perfront about being coi0f letely up front about the type of measures that welsh measures that the welsh government bring in. government wants to bring in. let's forget, though, that government wants to bring in. let' way forget, though, that government wants to bring in. let' way to irget, though, that government wants to bring in. let' way to change ough, that government wants to bring in. let' way to change isgh, that government wants to bring in. let' way to change is actually an the way to change is actually an election in wales. need election here in wales. we need to vote labour out here in wales to vote labour out here in wales to rescind this 20mph. >> i mean, what you in >> i mean, what would you do in that? case? you that? in that case? would you would you blanket cut the 20 mile hour speed because mile an hour speed limit because there arguments, of there is some arguments, of course, safety. and course, around safety. and that's one of the reasons that the welsh government have brought safety, brought this in for safety, particularly pedestrians. brought this in for safety, particularwe've)edestrians. brought this in for safety, particularwe've always ans. brought this in for safety, particularwe've always said, as >> yeah, we've always said, as conservatives that conservatives here in wales that 20mph right in 20mph is absolutely right in those needed those places where it's needed outside schools, perhaps outside our schools, perhaps outside our schools, perhaps outside heavily outside hospitals, on heavily pedestrianised makes pedestrianised areas, that makes complete a blanket complete sense. but as a blanket measure all wales, measure across all of wales, we've that if we're elected we've said that if we're elected in into the senate, we in 2026 into the senate, we would rescind that speed limit from 20 and move it back up to 30 as the measure . 30 as the measure.

>> i mean, what do you think that 400,000 people, 440,000 people have now signed this petition calling for this new limit to be revoked. what do you think that says about the feeling across the country to this new law? >> i think it shows a real frustration that people don't feel been listened frustration that people don't fe(or been listened frustration that people don't fe(or even been listened frustration that people don't fe(or even consideren listened frustration that people don't fe(or even consider heard ened frustration that people don't fe(or even consider heard within to or even consider heard within this piece of legislation . and this piece of legislation. and let's not forget that over 400,000 number is now more for signatures than people who voted for labour at the last senate elections . if that was a elections. if that was a proportionate across all of the uk as a petition, that'd be 14 million signatures here in the uk. if it was everyone in the uk looking to sign up to that. so there's a real frustration. people aren't happy with the 20mph and welsh governments certainly rescinding it. >> sam, you very much for >> sam, thank you very much for joining morning . of joining us this morning. of course, well. this has had an course, as well. this has had an impact on bus networks across the arriva wales told the country, arriva wales told gb news that it's been closely monitoring its timetable plans since new speed limit has since this new speed limit has come into force and that so far there been impact on there has been an impact on punctuality times as

punctuality of journey times as well . the government, well. and the welsh government, a government spokesperson a welsh government spokesperson did also gb news that did also tell gb news that they've clear the they've been clear from the outset monitor outset that they would monitor any of the an any impacts of the 20 mile an hour speed limit on bus services and they're working closely and that they're working closely with bus operators, local authorities and transport for wales to tackle the challenges that is facing . that this industry is facing. >> thank you very much indeed. jack carson there the west jack carson there from the west midlands north wales. jack carson there from the west micyeah, north wales. jack carson there from the west micyeah, indeed.h wales. >> yeah, indeed. >> yeah, indeed. >> what is it about labour >> what is it about the labour party and motorists ? party and hating motorists? because a war on because that's a war on motorists wales , really motorists in wales, really unpopular. moves to unpopular. there's moves now to unseat change unseat the climate change minister there . we see what minister there. also we see what sadiq khan is doing in the whole of capital ulez of the capital with ulez expansion the ultra low expansion of the ultra low emission hated. emission zone hated. >> it's hated. i think it's a £1.50 a day to virtue signal when it comes to public health and climate change and then also not being very good at balancing the books. >> so desperation to try and make some money. >> £750 million black hole in the finances transport for the finances of transport for london. look , the labour will >> and now look, the labour will say are just teething problems. >> you know, they'll work around this very soon, but. >> well, he should have

>> right. well, he should have thought operating. thought about time operating. >> mayor for very >> he has been mayor for a very long sadiq khan . now, long time as sadiq khan. now, still come, we're going to still to come, we're going to bnng still to come, we're going to bring exclusive bring you our exclusive interview manchester interview with the manchester mayor, andy burnham, who's got a different on ultra low different take on ultra low emission says emission zones and how he says he can change pollution in his city of manchester. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. >> hello there. very good morning to you. i'm jonathan vautrey. who is your gb news weather forecast provided by the met after providing some met office after providing some of with a windy day of us with quite a windy day yesterday, agnes is now yesterday, storm agnes is now clearing towards the clearing its way off towards the north, isobars are north, but those isobars are still spaced still quite tightly spaced together, to together, so it's still to going be fairly breezy, blustery day be a fairly breezy, blustery day for the majority the rain for the majority of us. the rain across the far north slowly easing and for a good chunk easing off and for a good chunk of will be some dry of us, there will be some dry intervals had. a fair intervals to be had. a fair amount of cloud around, though. so sunshine probably on the so any sunshine probably on the hazier side, temperatures perhaps compared to perhaps down a touch compared to yesterday. generally around 17 to 19 c. but that's pretty much where we should be for this time in the year as we head into the late afternoon and evening, we'll start to see this area of

rain push its way in from the west. some heavy pulses for parts northern ireland, parts of northern ireland, western scotland, maybe even to wales western areas wales and western areas of england or gradually wales and western areas of englandits or gradually wales and western areas of englandits way or gradually wales and western areas of englandits way eastwards ally shifting its way eastwards throughout behind throughout the night. behind that, we do some clearer that, we do see some clearer intervals developing. still with some persisting across intervals developing. still with sorrfar persisting across intervals developing. still with sorrfar north—westisting across intervals developing. still with sorrfar north—west where across intervals developing. still with sorrfar north—west where those the far north—west where those clearer intervals occur, clearer intervals do occur, temperatures that temperatures will just drop that down slightly, a bit more, 10 or 11 c, but start across 11 c, but a milder start across the as this rain the southeast as this rain gradually its off. gradually clears its way off. but for of england and but for much of england and wales, there will be some sunshine had throughout sunshine to be had throughout the relatively pleasant. the day and relatively pleasant. some , though, persisting some showers, though, persisting for northern ireland. scotland might fringe down into the north—west england as well. north—west of england as well. temperatures still 16, temperatures here still 16, 17 c. but in the more sunshine across southern areas of england, temperatures back up to 21 c. england, temperatures back up to mcmw england, temperatures back up to 21 c. high pressure holds on into saturday, but there is further areas of rain as we head into sunday by by there's the weather now still coming up. >> we've got an exclusive interview with the mayor of greater manchester, andy burnham . he's launching new london . he's launching his new london style transport system. but we're to find out we're also going to find out what he thinks about ulez and

why implementing why he won't be implementing one in sadiq khan, in manchester. sadiq khan, please take note. >> but he won't, of course .

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grieving the loss of a 15 year old girl stabbed to death in her school uniform. >> 17 year old boy has been arrested. >> speaking yesterday , chief >> speaking yesterday, chief superintendent andy brittain delivered a message. we seem to be hearing more and more frequently . frequently. >> this is every parent's worst nightmare . and i know the nightmare. and i know the officers who responded this morning along with our emergency service colleagues, are devastated at the victim's death i >> government minister richard holden told gb news breakfast they are not ruling out a return to widespread stop and search powers to try to get to grips with knife crime . with knife crime. >> i'm certainly not against that. we've got there are powers there and local police forces can use them when necessary. when there are issues on the ground . we need to get these ground. we need to get these knives off the street . knives off the street. >> in a gb news exclusive, the mayor of manchester, andy burnham, tells us how he wants to clean up greater manchester's air. but without a ulez style charging zone . charging zone. >> finally, the people of greater manchester are now the

bosses of the buses. it's the other way round. >> good on him. republican rumble. the second republican primary debate took place last night. but do any of them look like a real challenger to the absent former first former president ? you know which one president? you know which one i'm talking about. i'm talking about. i mean, i have a theory and andy burnham, if he was labour leader, they'd be miles ahead in the polls. yes i do think so. >> he's got a likeability factor. even if you don't follow his policies. yeah, he's he's got a likeable charm about him which is sadly lacking. >> charming, he's >> yeah. he's charming, he's popular, telegenic he's popular, he's telegenic. he's hugely greater hugely popular up in greater manchester. he's really popularly known the king of popularly known as the king of the and he ran twice for the north. and he ran twice for the north. and he ran twice for the leadership before. i think if leader, i think if he was labour leader, i think it be game for rishi it would be game over for rishi sunak do you know i'm sunak do you know what i'm looking to? sunak do you know what i'm loo finding to? sunak do you know what i'm loo finding moreo? sunak do you know what i'm loo finding more finding out more >> finding more finding out more about republican debate last about the republican debate last night because apparently it descended a of descended into quite a lot of cattiness, say . let us

cattiness, let's say. let us know what you think about all the stories we discussed today. email us gb views. gbnews.com. tweet us at news. but first, tweet us at gb news. but first, let's the news with . lisa let's get the news with. lisa >> good morning. it's just after 10:00. i'm lisa hartle in the newsroom. roads and local transport minister richard holden says the government will not rule out stop and search after a 15 year old girl was stabbed to death on her way to school in london. a 17 year old boy who knew the victim remains in custody after being arrested in custody after being arrested in croydon yesterday morning. tributes have been paid with members of the public leaving flowers near the scene. the girl's school described her as a valued friend and pupil. mr holden told gb news what's being done to tackle knife crime. >> new legislation has been brought in sentences are being strengthened, which is vitally important as well. but overall i think this is about us as a society , really ensuring that we

society, really ensuring that we get across to people, that there is no place for possession of a knife and that, is no place for possession of a knife and that , yes, the knife and that, yes, the government will act with tougher sentencing and we've got extra police, 20,000 plus now, extra since when? i was elected in 2019, out on the streets. >> meanwhile , former met police >> meanwhile, former met police detective peter bleksley says police need to do more, be more robust in tackling knife crime . robust in tackling knife crime. >> knife crime is at epidemic proportions . there are so far proportions. there are so far this year, up until august. proportions. there are so far this year, up until august . so this year, up until august. so in the 12 months up until august , there had been 211 on knife crime incidents with injury. in croydon alone, and that only makes it the 10th most prevalent borough in london. so there's nine boroughs worth than croydon. there are too many knives, there are too many stabbings, there are too many deaths . deaths. >> the new defence secretary has

visited the ukrainian capital kyiv, for the first time since taking up the post. grant shapps discussed how to bolster ukraine's air defences during talks with ukraine's president vladimir zelenskyy. president zelenskyy thanked mr shapps for the uk's help. mr shapps replaced ben wallace as defence secretary last month and vowed to keep up britain's support for ukraine. the labour leader has denied launching an attack on private schools with his plans to impose vat payments on fees if he wins an election. sir keir starmer says he's comfortable with the institute but wants to ensure state schools are of equal quality. sir keir says his plan is about the removal of a tax exemption . he also tax exemption. he also encourages private schools not to raise fees due to the additional costs imposed by the policy . it experts are calling policy. it experts are calling on the prime minister to prioritise ai ethics during a safety summit next month . a safety summit next month. a survey survey by bcs , the survey survey by bcs, the chartered institute for it ,

chartered institute for it, found that 88% of tech experts want the uk to lead in setting global ethical standards. the survey also shows that 82% believe companies should publish ethical policies on al use . new ethical policies on al use. new laws in northern ireland have been implemented preventing the pubuc been implemented preventing the public from attending trials for serious sexual offences . the law serious sexual offences. the law extends the anonymity for victims until 25 years after their death and provides anonymity for suspects until they are charged. the measures aim to protect victims and encourage reporting of sexual crimes. any violations carry penalties of up to six months in pnson penalties of up to six months in prison . car production in august prison. car production in august dropped by nearly 10, following six months of growth . that's six months of growth. that's according to the society of motor manufacturers and traders . only around 45,000 vehicles were manufactured in the uk. that's because of summer shutdowns and production pauses at some plants for planned maintenance. exports also

declined by 5.5, mainly due to fewer shipments to the us , china fewer shipments to the us, china and japan . a new 90 minute and japan. a new 90 minute weight loss procedure has been deemed safe and effective for nhs use . the deemed safe and effective for nhs use. the non—surgical treatment reduced his stomach size, using a flexible tube inserted through the mouth . it's inserted through the mouth. it's hoped the move will save the health service money, with obesity estimated to cost £6.5 billion each year. it's recommended for patients with a bmi of 30 or more who have not lost weight after implementing lifestyle changes . and an lifestyle changes. and an extremely rare silvery gibbon has been born at a wildlife park on the isle of man. the pictures from koenig's wild wildlife park show the yet to be named gibbon, nestled in its mother's lap. it's the third silvery gibbon arrival at the zoo since the baby's parents were bought over to the island in 2016. as part of a global breeding programme . of a global breeding programme. they're an endangered species with only 2000 left in the wild . this is gb news across the uk

on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to andrew and . emily andrew and. emily >> now i'm looking fonnard to this. our exclusive interview with the mayor of greater manchester, andy burnham, who's been talking to our political editor, chris hope at and he does not want a ulez style charging zone in his city, which of course, has been inflicted on the london. the whole of london. >> he wants the government >> yes, he wants the government to different to look at some different schemes and he's also got a london style transport system going on in going ahead. lots going on in manchester. let's hear you're doing here. >> you're creating new >> you're creating this new network trams and network to connect trams and buses and make it much more seamless for travellers . seamless for travellers. >> exactly. we're putting >> exactly. so we're putting buses under public control buses back under public control so we can link the bus so that then we can link the bus fare system to the tram fare system. a tap in tap out system . we've already cut the cost of pubuc . we've already cut the cost of public transport in greater manchester by 20% mark the manchester by 20% to mark the arrival the b network. so now

arrival of the b network. so now today people can get tickets that are combined bus and tram tickets that are 20% cheaper than what they would have been before the b network. the thing about moving to a system under pubuc about moving to a system under public control like the b network is fine . after 40 years network is fine. after 40 years of routes being cut , of fares of routes being cut, of fares going up. finally, the people of greater manchester and now the bosses of the buses, it's the other way around. >> okay. can you pay in cash on the bus network? you can. it's very important to our weather campaign views. campaign gb views. >> i'm aware. and you know, we have conversations, so that stay. >> that will stay. >> that will stay. >> there cash trays on the >> there are cash trays on the new electric buses. we and new electric buses can i just say to gb news built in britain. yeah. built in britain. in scotland. 50 new buses went onto the roads of wigan and bolton in the last 2 or 3 days, built in, built in scotland. i think that's a great story, isn't it? and i think one of my appeals to the government is kind of, okay, we'll give you credit for helping us do this. so let's have more of it because

actually it won't just help people in the cost of living crisis. it could also help us with our clean air. >> you'll cut emissions enough with your new or 50 new electric buses, 50 more coming and the rest of it. that will that will mean you don't need to do any kind of ulez zone here. well it's not quite as simple as that. >> but let me explain this really clearly. we are confident and that the evidence backs this up , that if we were to if the up, that if we were to if the government was to back the network, i.e, help us bring more , more electric buses into service across the city region. but if it was also to back us with investment to help keep our our taxis improve, our hackney cabs upgrade, we believe we can do it via an investment led approach rather than a charge based approach. can we now then agree that a clean air zone is not right for greater manchester? a charging zone? prime minister, you can come here this weekend. you can back the b network with the

investment that it needs. you can back the taxi industry with the investment which it needs, and you could have an example of saying this is how you get to net zero. but in a fairer way for the public. greater manchester your opportunity. manchester is your opportunity. >> not or never then, is >> it's not or never then, is it? i mean, how money do it? i mean, how much money do you need from the government not to bring ulez no i won't to bring ulez here? no i won't have one. >> n have one. >> i came in as >> i said when i came in as mayor that wouldn't have mayor that i wouldn't have a congestion charge. and i've also saying i wouldn't have a charging zone. why is charging clean air zone. why is why? because mean, when we why? because i mean, when we first developed the clean air zone idea, it was meant to be enough money in the system to help everybody upgrade their vehicles. with vehicles. and then with the pandemic, vehicles pandemic, the cost of vehicles spiralled. and hence there was the backlash, which was understood and justified. and why gm is now in a in a different position. we are saying that you can do this in a different way as long as i'm there. no i will not have a charging zone either. a congestion charge scheme or a clean air style scheme . the

clean air style scheme. the reason being the north of england has never had the investment in transport to allow some people to live without their car . their car. >> interesting stuff there. great british buses . great british buses. >> yeah. yeah. very, very positive. >> great suggestion, charles. built in britain. no ulez. >> great suggestion, charles. built in britain. no ulez . and built in britain. no ulez. and he's got an easy, fluent manner, hasn't he? >> yeah. good communicator . >> yeah. good communicator. should we speak to laura evans, who was the greater manchester conservative mayoral candidate in 2021? she joins us now. hi, laura. a lot of what, andy a lot of what andy was saying there will go down very well with our viewers. no congestion charge, no ulez scheme. great british buses. no ulez scheme. great british buses . it all sounds rather buses. it all sounds rather nice, don't you think ? nice, don't you think? >> oh, it's perfect. >> oh, it's perfect. >> honestly . hi, andrew and hi, >> honestly. hi, andrew and hi, emily. thanks for having me on. yeah, well , we can't say that we yeah, well, we can't say that we aren't delighted to have the clean air zone stopped, but let's be honest, he has spent about 120 million on scrappage schemes , about 78 million on the

schemes, about 78 million on the clean air zone and now has done a massive u—turn and said, oh, it's not going to be what we need. it's not going to be what we need . and that doesn't really need. and that doesn't really add up, does it? it's kind of just like today's rhetoric because he knows that if he had tried to put it through when his re—election is happening, if he goes for re—election next year , goes for re—election next year, it would have been a disaster for him and he would have ended up not winning. now, bear in mind, only 1 in 5 people in greater manchester vote in the mayoral election . mayoral election. >> why is it such a low turnout in your view? laura >> well, i think a lot of people find it that it's a waste of time in many respects. i don't think that andy has led a particularly great fight. many people didn't want a mayor in the first place. and let's be honest , we've got a the first place. and let's be honest, we've got a labour mayor in a labour stronghold of greater manchester, so they mark their own homework . they can't their own homework. they can't get real. >> i mean, andy burnham has been criticised in the past for

making promises such as with homeless ness, stopping homelessness and then and then the statistics showing that homelessness had actually got worse in greater manchester. but you say this is a u—turn on the ulez and congestion and things, but perhaps he's listening . i but perhaps he's listening. i mean, stations like us, we talk to people working people who say we simply cannot afford these kind of schemes . perhaps andy's kind of schemes. perhaps andy's listening. taking that on board and you know, that's what he's doing here. >> no, no, he's listening to his vote, isn't he? be honest. come on. you know, he knows that he's going to end up like uxbridge. he's going to lose if he pushes it. the rethink group that really works. so hard and worked long to get this stopped did an enormous amount of work. it didn't go ahead . 493 square mile didn't go ahead. 493 square mile charging. so now ask yourself what's going to happen to all the cameras that are left all over greater manchester. they have cost millions. he has wasted millions .

wasted millions. >> what about hs2 , laura? that's >> what about hs2, laura? that's been a big political hot potato. it seems extraordinary to me that this idea that the tories are to going ditch the link from london to manchester is being floated in the very week the conservatives are about to arrive your fine for arrive in your fine city for their party conference. he their party conference. but he says got to happen. it's says it's got to happen. it's got ahead. your got to go ahead. what's your position on it? laura? >> well, i can agree with him on that. i mean, to be honest with you, i mean, i fought tooth and nail to stop the clean air zone, as did many the conservatives as did many of the conservatives in manchester. and we've in greater manchester. and we've won that. so that's great. the next need to make sure next thing we need to make sure is we have great travel is that we have great travel across all of our areas. it's across all of our areas. so it's got just north got to be just not just north and south—east and west. we've got to be able to get to leeds, sheffield, liverpool, manchester, hubs. manchester, thriving hubs. and i think people sometimes say, oh, it's somewhere it's all about getting somewhere faster. actually we need to faster. but actually we need to free for freight. so there is free up for freight. so there is a of travel. i would a direction of travel. i would like to see. we do get hs2 over the line . i do want to have us the line. i do want to have us have all the whether you call it northern powerhouse rail or

whether you just go from east to west, it's irrelevant. the point is that. west, it's irrelevant. the point is that . and i don't i is we need that. and i don't i don't know that convenient that this is being peddled just before the party conference. so we have all these big words . we have all these big words. but, you know, i haven't heard richard say he's going to pull out of it yet. so i haven't got an answer to that one. >> i'm still puzzled, actually, about if you go back to the beginning of hs2, why they started it from london to birmingham , why it didn't start birmingham, why it didn't start in the north, go down the opposite direction, because this is all about levelling up and it seems the only bit it's to going be levelled up is the bit between london and birmingham. if the manchester link is dropped , i agree with you, why dropped, i agree with you, why not do both ? not do both? >> i have a big vision person . >> i have a big vision person. let's have some vision. let's be bold and so we do need to have car drivers, especially in rural areas. so we need to not be able to clamp people down. what they're doing in wales 20 miles an hour every where. that's

insane. we need to have a realistic opportunity to make sure that we do deliver on cleaning up our areas and making them in a way that doesn't cripple people and why we didn't go and meet in the middle. perhaps they thought they couldn't them up . couldn't marry them up. >> interesting stuff. thank you very much, laura. thank you for speaking to us. you were the greater manchester conservative mayoral candidate back in 2021. i do think there is a bit of spin from andy burnham on cleaners. >> he's a politician. he's a politician . politician. >> but i think he's someone's written in saying why are there these clean air zone signs going up all around greater manchester? >> and as laura said , there are >> and as laura said, there are cameras everywhere, too, which which of cost money? a lot of money which she said over 120 million. but i think he's seen he put his toe in the water. he's seen what's happened in london because there's a massive backlash in london against the expansion of the ultra low emission zone, which, if you remember stephen pound, the former labour mp. he tried

former labour mp. yes, he tried to johnson's to say was boris johnson's policy. not boris johnson. policy. it is not boris johnson. absolutely opposed the expansion, day for expansion, £12.50 a day for older polluting cars. it's affecting of thousands affecting hundreds of thousands of people. and i've talked to all people, emily, all sorts of people, emily, whose businesses being whose businesses are being closed because they can't closed down because they can't afford three new vans at £30,000 afford three new vans at £30,000 a time. electric vans . it's an outrage. >> also, just people who want to visit relatives . yeah, maybe visit relatives. yeah, maybe very elderly relatives, too. and they're just going to see them less. >> yeah, and maybe if you're a carer working in london and they're not going to, you still have to pay your £12.50 a day. and it's a tax on white van. man stroke. woman yeah , i think stroke. woman yeah, i think starmer and rayner should have put bit pressure on sadiq put a bit more pressure on sadiq khan actually scrap khan in london to actually scrap this they said, oh, this because they said, oh, it needs to reviewed , perhaps needs to be reviewed, perhaps changed a bit, but they didn't put did they? put their foot down did they? but let's be brutal but actually, let's be brutal about this. keir starmer thought this policy until the this was a fine policy until the uxbndge this was a fine policy until the uxbridge by—election where the tories turned it into a referendum on ulez and they held the seat against the odds and then suddenly he decided, actually, i'm not so sure is

actually, i'm not so sure it is such all because such a good idea at all because it impact vote it might impact on my vote because keir starmer, as we know , believe in , doesn't really believe in anything from winning. anything apart from winning. >> that we're to going >> on that note, we're to going be another flip be talking about another flip flop u—turn. whatever you want to call it, this one relating to private school . but still to private school. but still to come, the second republican primary a heated one primary debate was a heated one last night. does it really matter with trump ? so ahead in matter with trump? so ahead in the polls , we're gb news the polls, we're gb news britain's news channel .

sunday mornings from 930 on. >> gb news. >> gb news. >> it's 1022 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and emily connor. he is now. >> a lot of you been getting in touch just on andy burnham. quickly, a couple of people have pointed out a few things. so, bnan pointed out a few things. so, brian said, i've just heard andy burnham referred to as burnham is being referred to as the of the north. how wrong the king of the north. how wrong can he he's hated here. oh, can he be? he's hated here. oh, that's interesting. i think by some it seems i think might some it seems i think he might refer himself the king of refer to himself as the king of the north, actually to to be the north, actually to be to be unkind. des says regarding the north, actually to be to be unkcongestiones says regarding the north, actually to be to be unkcongestion charge,egarding the north, actually to be to be unkcongestion charge, andying the congestion charge, andy burnham only that burnham knows too only well that ten, years ago, in a ten, 15 years ago, in a referendum, manchester voted ovennhelmingly the ovennhelmingly rejected the congestion charge by 80. yes, i'm sure he is very aware of that. and others have pointed out that there's a suspicious number of signs and cameras in greater manchester which might indicate that charges are on their way. >> yeah, perhaps . yes. yeah. and

>> yeah, perhaps. yes. yeah. and we've got quite a few people about knife crime and knife crime. >> we were talking about why is this surge in knife crime? why are youngsters carrying machetes around? darren says no amount of pool tables, youth clubs , victim pool tables, youth clubs, victim meetings and knife amnesties are going to deal with the issue. the proof is clear. the money we give to these and has give to these and others has made no difference. in fact, it's worse by the magnitude it's way worse by the magnitude . well, some people do say that we number of we do not have the number of what they call them, youth what do they call them, youth clubs? what do they call them, youth cluiwell, think yeah, the >> well, i think yeah, the criticism that they've been closed down, so many them, closed down, so many of them, and they were still around and if they were still around that focus for that there'd be a focus for these young to go as these young people to go to as opposed. the is, does opposed. but the fact is, does that still lure them away from gangs where you're in gangs where if you're in the gang, you have to have a knife or a gun. and of course, it's easy money if they're if they're drug that's the problem. easy money if they're if they're dru fundamentally, the problem. easy money if they're if they're dru fundamentally, you problem. >> fundamentally, you know, parents to where their parents need to know where their children are. parents need to know where their chi|they are. now, going to >> they do. now, we're going to talk about the second republican primary been primary debate. it's been grabbing primary debate. it's been grabbiheated. certain person really heated. certain person wasn't there. but have a listen to this. >> joe biden, he's completely

missing in action from leadership . and you know who leadership. and you know who else is missing in action? donald trump is missing in action. he should be on this stage tonight. he owes it to you to defend his record where they added 7.8 trillion to the debt. >> and i want to look in that camera right now and tell you, donald, i know you're watching. you can't help yourself. i know you're watching. okay and you're not here not because of not here tonight. not because of polls and not because of your indictments. you're not here tonight because you're afraid of being on this stage and defending your record. you're ducking things . and let me ducking these things. and let me tell you what's going to happen. you doing that. no one up you keep doing that. no one up here is going to call you donald trump anymore. we're going to call donald duck. call you donald duck. >> shaking in his in >> oh, he's shaking in his in his high tops. >> was that. >> was that. >> my god. didn't work >> oh, my god. that didn't work as gag. look chairman of as a gag. look chairman of republicans overseas, greg swenson greg, trailed swenson said, greg, we trailed this you've watched this yesterday. you've watched it. you're over the detail . that it. you're over the detail. that was pretty lame stuff. and i and i was pretty amazed because i

saw some of it, some of the debate was about who paid for the curtains in the un ambassador's residence because nikki haley, the former ambassador, on the platform. ambassador, was on the platform. who cares? >> was some of that >> yeah, there was some of that and could it in the and you could see it in the candidates that are the candidates that are in the bottom half they're polling bottom half and they're polling in digits. you know, in low single digits. you know, they're knockout they're trying for a knockout blow there. seemed a little blow there. it seemed a little desperate. i thought desperate. and i thought tim scott know, was scott, you know, that was a little cheap about the curtains. who cares? and by the way, the story wasn't really right. story wasn't really true. right. same you know , you same thing with, you know, you could christie was could tell chris christie was was the big thing that donald. >> yeah very bad. >> yeah very bad. >> so you know he's the he's in the lane of being the real bulldog fighter that's going to you know really go after trump bulldog fighter that's going to you krhe really go after trump bulldog fighter that's going to you krhe didlly go after trump bulldog fighter that's going to you krhe did in go after trump bulldog fighter that's going to you krhe did in the after trump bulldog fighter that's going to you krhe did in the first trump which he did in the first debate. whereas in this one, it looked like everybody was going after trump. and you saw the comments governor desantis comments from governor desantis where, think where, you know, i think the polling is suggesting that, you know, while i said yesterday that tactically it might have been smart for trump to avoid the first debate, the voters aren't seeing that way. aren't seeing it that way. they're for people that aren't seeing it that way. the going for people that

aren't seeing it that way. the going to for people that aren't seeing it that way. the going to try for people that aren't seeing it that way. the going to try to people that aren't seeing it that way. the going to try to earn)le that aren't seeing it that way. the going to try to earn the.hat are going to try to earn the nomination. think that's nomination. and i think that's going to hurt trump in the long run. >> interesting because a lot of people have been saying that it it's a win for him not to turn up to these types of things. they often descend into chaos, catti ness. >> cattiness. >> oh, absolute silliness. i think the one on one debates are much better and we'll see that there's a debate on november 30th between governor desantis and governor newsom from california, which will be a real, you know, red state, blue state. but it's also the future leaders of the of each party. so, you know, that those are always productive. i think i'd argue they are. but yeah, these 7 or 8 person debates, they really it's hard for anybody to really it's hard for anybody to really awful in this country too, aren't they shocking. >> there consensus , i >> but there was a consensus, i think, greg, that desantis emerged as the strongest last night. emerged as the strongest last nig not by knockout, but but >> not not by knockout, but but on points for sure. to use a boxing analogy. yeah, but but he really came out looking good. his comment at the end when dana penno his comment at the end when dana perino asked if they would if they would vote someone off, which a little game show ish

which was a little game show ish and he he just right away said that's that's ridiculous. we're not going do that. it not going to do that. it cheapens debate. so cheapens the debate. so i thought, you know, i thought he did a really good job. he he hit a lot of strong points that that are for him that he can are good for him that he can lead i think there will lead on and i think there will be drops . i think that, you be some drops. i think that, you know maybe not immediately from from debate but you're going from the debate but you're going to fundraising numbers to see some fundraising numbers on will indicate on saturday that will indicate that some of these people are crazy to stick in. and it it's all about consolidation. there's no way that anyone can beat president trump if there's 5 or 6 candidates in the race. >> yeah, because he's benefits, doesn't he? from that day, santas, the money's pouring in for him. >> i gather. yes. >> i gather. yes. >> yeah, he's. he's done really well with the fundraising. he crushed the second crushed it in the second quarter. he'd only crushed it in the second quart an he'd only crushed it in the second quart an official he'd only crushed it in the second quart an official candidatennly crushed it in the second quart an official candidate for been an official candidate for six weeks, he outraised six weeks, and yet he outraised president so he'll either president trump. so he'll either beat president trump in fundraising or come in second. you know, the president trump had the great mugshot out, that $7 million in 24 hours. so you

know, it will be one of the two and ultimate early as we get to iowa, it will turn into a two person race. it very well might be trump and desantis nationally , but in iowa, it's already becoming a two person race, 79% of iowa voters are willing to consider candidates other than trump . only 20% are definitely trump. only 20% are definitely voting for trump . so even though voting for trump. so even though he's polling at 50 in iowa, only 20 are saying definitely trump. some are probably trump or, you know, 48% are considering some candidates either other than trump or trump. and then there's 31% that will definitely not vote for . vote for. >> and when is that first vote? because that's going to be critical. >> late, late january. >> late, late january. >> right. >> right. >> okay. so a while off now. what ramaswami? a bit of what was ramaswami? a bit of a punching bag . i'm just reading punching bag. i'm just reading here that nikki haley said , here that nikki haley said, honestly, i hear you, here that nikki haley said, hfeeltly, i hear you, here that nikki haley said, hfeel a(, i hear you, here that nikki haley said, hfeel a little i hear you, here that nikki haley said, hfeel a little bit i hear you, here that nikki haley said, hfeel a little bit dumberar you, here that nikki haley said, hfeel a little bit dumber forou, i feel a little bit dumber for what you say. >> was another kind of >> yeah, it was another kind of cheap shot, know, she's cheap shot, but, you know, she's got point. but also, you know,

got a point. but also, you know, i what happened is vivek i think what happened is vivek got all the attention in the first he's the first debate. he's he's the young billionaire. >> yes. >> yes. >> and he was really talkative in the first debate, had a lot of took a lot of of you know, he took a lot of shots at the candidates. shots at the other candidates. >> pretty rude, wasn't he? >> he was really obnoxious. yeah. but it actually helped him with visibility. so his numbers went his negatives went up, but also his negatives also the also went up after the first debate. i think he toned it debate. so i think he toned it down a little bit. he tried to be little bit more of a team be a little bit more of a team player. but so i don't think he came out looking horrible from from last night. and from the debate last night. and nobody really think nobody really i don't think there were any knockout blows. but from north but doug burgum from north dakota, even his dakota, no. one even knows his name. i had to look up name. i, i had to look it up five minutes ago. so i don't think going in very think he's going to stay in very long. but you've got to see some mike pence, tim scott, you've got you have to see some drops. >> and of course, the >> and of course, he was the vice president, mike pence, wasn't he? >> has he any chance at all? >> has he got any chance at all? >> has he got any chance at all? >> he doesn't. and why is he >> no, he doesn't. and why is he running then? >> i think he in many ways, i think he wants to just save his his name. you know, because he

got heat, you know, got into some heat, you know, he's the he's criticised for from the from trumpers. he's from the never trumpers. he's criticised for being trump's vice really vice president from the really rabid trumpers. he's he gets criticism for not doing doing what trump asked him to do on january sixth when they stormed capitol hill, which was, i thought, a great moment for vice president. >> his best moment, but he doesn't really have a chance. >> this gives him a to >> so this gives him a forum to send a message. but i don't think he's got realistic think he's got a realistic chance. he's in that chance. he's running in that really traditional really very traditional conservative, a very pro—life lane. conservative, a very pro—life lane . but ron desantis can run lane. but ron desantis can run in that lane, too. and so everyone's got their little their vertical . but desantis has their vertical. but desantis has basically all the verticals. he's the total package. so i think he can run with all the other candidates in their lane , other candidates in their lane, but he can run in all the lanes i >> yeah. >> yeah. >> as trump commented on what happened last night, not not anything . you haven't seen anything. you haven't seen anything. you haven't seen anything deliberate yet. >> but i think that, you know , i >> but i think that, you know, i thought there was some really good criticism. you heard from desantis and chris christie, and

that's really the consensus that he's not out there earning it. and we're seeing. >> that's just true, isn't it? >> that's just true, isn't it? >> of course it is. and the thing is, he's he's tough. he's been around. he's a good performer. i think he'll probably do the next probably have to do the next one, he? might. one, won't he? he might. >> he might. think that >> he might. i think that there's chance and he has to there's a chance and he has to look at the polling, too. and what's in iowa is he what's happened in iowa is he he's treated himself or considers himself the far away favourite . but they're starting favourite. but they're starting to panic in iowa. favourite. but they're starting to panic in iowa . and you're to panic in iowa. and you're seeing some he's hiring people in iowa. he's really trying to play in iowa. he's really trying to play catch up there. so that's kind of indicator this play catch up there. so that's kind 0 not indicator this play catch up there. so that's kind 0 not beiicator this play catch up there. so that's kind 0 not be asxtor this play catch up there. so that's kind 0 not be as easy this play catch up there. so that's kind 0 not be as easy as this play catch up there. so that's kind 0 not be as easy as he s play catch up there. so that's kind 0 not be as easy as he hopes might not be as easy as he hopes or he thinks, but we'll see. and if there's some consolidation again and you end up with a two person race, desantis could very much win in iowa. i'm not suggesting he'll win in new hampshire and south carolina easily, but it's all about that first for race an incumbent. >> yeah, i liked the sound of ron desantis. yeah, i don't know, slightly moving towards the authoritarian, perhaps. yeah. but i was curious as well.

>> greg there was obviously a lot of flack about biden and but what if biden is dropped by the democrats? does that change the entire. >> andrew great question . and >> andrew great question. and i've been talking about this for a while. there's a few things that can change the dynamics here. you know, one of them is, you know, one possibly last night with the debate. i don't think it's a total game changer. but the other is biden. when think it's a total game changer. but thdropser is biden. when think it's a total game changer. but thdrops and biden. when think it's a total game changer. but thdrops and itden. when think it's a total game changer. but thdrops and it looksihen think it's a total game changer. but thdrops and it looks like biden drops and it looks like there, the left and there, you know, the left and there, you know, the left and the legacy media is flipping on biden, they've protected him as best they could for the last two years. yeah, but they really are starting to give up hope on him. so if he if and i thought they'd hold out until next summer. but it's last week has been it's the last week has been really for him last few really bad for him the last few weeks he's polling horribly, as i mentioned yesterday. so i think if he drops, then the gop gop race might change as well because they'll look and say, okay, it's no longer the grudge match. it's no longer the vendetta of getting back at biden for 2020 and that that heavyweight brawl between trump

and biden. plus, you'll have a younger candidate from the democrats that's going to look, it's going to make trump look like like an old man, the old man. and you i think there'll be a really great argument to move on. next generation and pass the torch. >> it's fascinating everything. >> it's fascinating everything. >> greg, you'll be to here tell us more, that's for sure. >> nice to be here. >> nice to be here. >> thanks. overseas, greg swenson. so still to come, do you know anyone who suffers with coat hanger phobia? andrew no . coat hanger phobia? andrew no. well, they'll be a famous company here is the news with . lisa >> it's 1033. lisa >> it's1033. i'm lisa hartle in the newsroom. roads and local transport minister richard holden says the government will not rule out stop and search after a 15 year old girl was stabbed to death on her way to school in london. a 17 year old boy who knew the victim remains in custody after being arrested in custody after being arrested in croydon yesterday morning . in croydon yesterday morning. tributes have been paid with

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investments that matter . investments that matter. >> still to come is suella asylum proposal anti—gay? that's what she's been accused of? >> i don't think so. >> i don't think so. >> this is britain's newsroom. you should know. you should know. yeah, well, better than doesn't offend me. this is britain.

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the person making all the noise on my side of the teeth here. >> i mean, i've been here two minutes thanks to a cab malfunction. anne, you've given me a chair. nearly falling off. >> are you going to stop moaning? >> i'm going to catapult off this chair. >> grateful that you >> it's so grateful that you have arrived. >> realise this is >> you didn't realise this is karen complete with karen malone, complete with suntan. you been away, suntan. have you been away, dear? darling. dear? yes, darling. >> been to greece. i've had >> i've been to greece. i've had a time. look glad a fabulous time. look very glad to of course, sam to hear it. and of course, sam lister, who's looking fragrant as usual. >> thank so for coming >> thank you so much for coming in and on time. >> sam is like elegance to my chaos, isn't she? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> that's very kyrees say. and intelligence to my all of that. >> of elegance on >> there's a lot of elegance on this should to this panel. should we move to what? we're here to do? >> if you want. >> well, if you want. >> well, if you want. >> yeah. in the mail. suella braverman claims her stance is not anti gay. carol. yes yes, yes. >> i mean, and it's incredible she's had to do this because what i was astonished by yesterday was she made that speech in washington. great speech. and it a great speech. and it was a great speech. and it was a great speech. and it had many, many elements to it. and elements and facets to it. and the only thing a lot of people

have come out with a lot of lgbtq campaigners have seen from that speech is the fact they're saying it's anti gay . what she saying it's anti gay. what she is saying, quite simply, is that the convention made the un convention that was made in the aftermath of the second world war to protect people from persecution now outdated , and persecution is now outdated, and especially terms of gay especially in terms of gay people. and what she's saying is basically, you there basically, you know, there are 70 countries world where 70 countries in the world where there where being homosexual there are where being homosexual is outlawed. there are countries in where being in the world where being a woman is difficult . in the world where being a woman is difficult. and what is very difficult. and what she's saying is basically, we can't person and can't take every gay person and every from those every woman from those countries. to me, it's a legitimate thing to say . and legitimate thing to say. and it's also a concern of many of the british people . and yet if the british people. and yet if you say stuff like that, you're you're slated as a racist and bigot. who's who is the guy that been the mp, gay mp ? been the mp, gay mp? >> who do i mean the extra mp. >> who do i mean the extra mp. >> yes he was in he was in the he was camp . he was camp. >> i'm never sure. yeah. he was on yesterday and that's all he got from this and he was, he was

slating her saying that she was raised and she saying you raised and she was saying you know you saying to gay know you, you saying to be gay to here. you have to prove to get here. you have to prove persecution. no you don't. you only have prove only have to prove discrimination or even a perception that there could be discrimination if that. and so to me, and it's people like him and john's come out today and elton john's come out today and elton john's come out today and much the same thing, and said much the same thing, well, he thinks? well, who cares what he thinks? well, interesting, matthew, well, it's interesting, matthew, but i just say the but can i just say the interesting one for me today in but can i just say the intenpaper one for me today in but can i just say the intenpaper was for me today in but can i just say the intenpaper was matthew day in but can i just say the intenpaper was matthew paris, your paper was matthew paris, who first anti gay who was there, a first anti gay camp. gay is a fervent gay camp. anti gay is a fervent gay campaigner. he is saying, mp, she's , right? she's she's dead, right? yeah, she's dead. and he said, you dead. right. and he said, you know, you know, you he said, and i will as a traitor i will be slated as a traitor for saying this, but she's right i >> -- >> i'm sure pinknews have had a have a field day. >> but the point isn't it, sam, that so if gay people are, is there a feeling they might be discriminated this discriminated against in this country? trail all country? so they then trail all the way across europe, through italy to be happy in italy, very nice. france to come here. it's an abuse . an abuse. >> i think this is this is the

crux of the argument, isn't it? it's that at what point do you switch from being a refugee, an asylum seeker to an economic migrant? and i think in the minds of many and certainly in suella braverman mind, it's that point when you get to france and then you make that journey across the channel you stop then fleeing for your life and start choosing a better place to live. and that's a different thing, isn't it? i think what's interesting though, as well, it's interesting how there's been a big backlash from ian mckellen and elton john. nobody seems to mention the that seems to mention the fact that this talking about this she's also talking about women. quite right. women. that's quite right. you know, talking about the know, we're talking about the men always about men always, always, always about the men. and what about the women know, what's about women? you know, what's about the do actually suffer the women who do actually suffer brutal hands of brutal regimes every day , day in, day out? every day, day in, day out? nobody none of the men are talking about her. >> they're the ones >> and some they're not the ones that the boats either. that are on the boats either. they're the coming here they're not the ones coming here illegally. know. illegally. but, you know. >> but on. just just illegally. but, you know. >> but on. justjust a >> but hang on. just just a little just to point out, because people have been pointing that most

pointing this out that most people who claim asylum, it's only be gay, only 2% who claim to be gay, apparently. okay. apparently. well, okay. >> a this isn't the >> so it's not a this isn't the biggest issue that there is. >> who is claiming the right to bnng >> who is claiming the right to bring it up, who is claiming that like ben bradshaw, that people like ben bradshaw, he cited figure. that people like ben bradshaw, he yes.i figure. >> yes. >> yes. >> i don't know whether that figures don't know. figures come from i don't know. >> i don't know where it's come from. but i don't believe it. and there was there was a lawyer in paper yesterday. pierce and there was there was a lawyer in davidr yesterday. pierce and there was there was a lawyer in david hague.1ay. pierce and there was there was a lawyer in david hague.1ay. pierc(is called david hague. yeah. he is an asylum is a gay an asylum lawyer. he is a gay man. he says most of the applications he gets from people claiming be gay are fake. claiming to be gay are fake. yeah, people start yeah, he said. the people start off i'm not but i've off saying i'm not gay, but i've been told is this is good been told this is this is a good way to into your country. way to get into your country. now someone like him who's who's at the heart of all this is saying have to believe. saying that we have to believe. >> also said actually, >> he also said actually, because said it this because he said it on this programme he repeated it in programme and he repeated it in the that only 20% of the the mail that only 20% of the asylum deals with, asylum claims he deals with, in his genuine. yes, that his view, are genuine. yes, that is a scandal. >> fake. >> 80% fake. >> 80% fake. >> so and i bet you you can repeat across the board repeat that across the board with the thousands of people crossing the channel. >> are. >> look, we know what they are. they're economic migrants. she

she was courageous. think she was courageous. i think the home braverman home secretary suella braverman that in that speech was signed off in downing then we see downing street and then we see on front of the times today on the front of the times today that that rishi sunak is that now that rishi sunak is giving her effectively giving her consent effectively to that we come to float the idea that we come out the european convention out of the european convention on rights, something out of the european convention on important;, something out of the european convention on important insomething out of the european convention on important in yourthing out of the european convention on important in your podcast really important in your podcast yesterday you said that there was very prominent labour home was a very prominent labour home secretary two. secretary in two. >> i've i've given the game away now because i wasn't to going say labour home. very prominent home said in 2000 home secretary who said in 2000 that asylum seekers should that that asylum seekers should be this country be processed out of this country did not in this country he did jack straw so how can labour? they're stinking hypocrites. i think used, how can think the word you used, how can labour say this policy of labour now say this policy of wanting to process people one labour now say this policy of wan is g to process people one labour now say this policy of wan is wrong'ocess people one labour now say this policy of wanis wrong ands people one labour now say this policy of wanis wrong and theeople one labour now say this policy of wan is wrong and the situation ne day is wrong and the situation in 2000 is massively different to it is now there to how it is now because there are so many people move are so many people on the move and also, by the way, i point out tony blair was the one who said in 2006, after the london bombings, which killed more than 50 people, that it what did he say? >> the whole point about tried

to draw the difference between economic migrants and refugees was that he was making was this in 2013 when he opened the doors to the eu and he said he didn't think anyone was going to come? >> did know? >> did i know? >> did i know? >> but he said he said that people living together, it's not working. >> so that's what multiculturalism. >> he said in 2006 is not working because people working properly because people are attempting their living working properly because people ar(large attempting their living working properly because people ar(large communitieseir living working properly because people ar(large communities and ving working properly because people ar(large communities and they in large communities and they are not attempting to integrate . and he said it again in 2019. that's the former labour prime minister. but suella says the whole the world is brought down on our shoulders by the labour party. >> but on that point, have >> but sam, on that point, have you seen the response from some sensible ? well, you sensible journalists? well, you think they're sensible journalists, but pointing out essentially that because suella braverman an ethnic braverman comes from an ethnic minority background has minority background and has married a jewish man, and all of this that therefore she shouldn't criticised , saying shouldn't be criticised, saying multiculturalism or any aspects of that, it's quite absurd . of that, it's quite absurd. >> and the has always been this kind of tradition on the left of absolutely being incensed by

women particularly and women who are not white i.e. suella braverman priti patel, who raised these kind of questions. it absolutely drives the left wild. i don't know why they feel they feel that actually these people priti patel, suella braverman should naturally be of the left and they can't bear the fact that because they're so patronising and pompous, they think they've got the monopoly on compassion. >> how dare they? yeah >> how dare they? yeah >> but actually, if you look at the conservative party, it is a party that where we've had how many chancellors , home many chancellors, home secretaries, people in positions of top positions of power in the main offices of state who have not been white far more than have been in the labour shadow cabinet. >> and are we going to get labour party electing a woman leader? it seems a long way off to me and if angela rayner is the best hope, blimey god help us all. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> do we want to? yeah. oil >> do we want to? yeah. oil >> is in the mail. britain >> this is in the mail. britain can't give up on oil, says sunak sam. >> well, i think it's . it's >> well, i think it's. it's

about this new oil and gas field off the coast of scotland . off the coast of scotland. rosefield rosebank . sorry. and, rosefield rosebank. sorry. and, yeah, and it's. it's about, i mean, actually the, the whole system is quite a complex system . so this is not about creating , you know, extra supplies for the uk . this , you know, extra supplies for the uk. this will go into the global market. but actually the bosses of this company say if there was a kind of ukraine style situation, again where we, because of the invasion of ukraine, are energy supplies are threatened , then they can threatened, then they can actually make that divert it to the uk only. so there is a it's all about energy security for the uk in the long term . the uk in the long term. obviously it's very controversial because green campaigners say we shouldn't be going down this fossil fuel route, but i think many people will will think that actually protecting the uk's energy security is, is i think i don't understand why we can't keep the oil for ourselves all the time. >> well, agree. but this >> well, i agree. but but this is problem for the labour is a problem for the labour party malone because the party to malone because the trade warmly trade unions have warmly welcomed this development.

thousands revenue thousands of jobs, great revenue coming the exchequer from coming into the exchequer from the taxes and yet labour are opposing it. well but labour have acknowledged that can't have acknowledged that we can't get to net zero before 2050, so something has to be done. >> but you know, this this rosebank field is a massive rosebank oil field is a massive untapped resource. they say we're going to 500 million we're going to get 500 million barrels of that which means barrels out of that which means that not well, you know , that we're not well, you know, you not at at you know, we're not at the at the mercy dictators like like the mercy of dictators like like putin. we're not at the mercy of rogue countries. and that we can have know sam saying a lot of have i know sam saying a lot of his for abroad. know, his for abroad. but you know, some would for be us and for our security and you have people like know, think like you know, you think yesterday know to hear yesterday you know to hear people like caroline lucas from the humza, you safa the greens and humza, you safa useless as we call him here. yeah. hear them screaming . you yeah. hear them screaming. you think it was the end of the world? ross clark, a very good writer, said you'd think that sunak could kick crutches sunak could kick the crutches away from army of old women. away from an army of old women. yeah what he actually done? yeah what had he actually done? oh, announced a that was oh, he announced a deal that was going actually give this going to actually give this country security because we are

legally obliged meet net zero legally obliged to meet net zero by 2050. >> thanks to theresa may we can change the law. >> thanks to theresa may we can cha does he law. >> thanks to theresa may we can cha does this rw. >> thanks to theresa may we can cha does this fit within that? >> does this fit within that? >> does this fit within that? >> yes, because as i'll tell you what, the lights will be out this winter and now they're already probably already saying they probably won't because have more won't be because we have more energy you know, it's energy security. you know, it's all protesters all very well these protesters saying we have to saying this is what we have to do, they have no plan on how saying this is what we have to do heat they have no plan on how saying this is what we have to do heat this have no plan on how saying this is what we have to do heat this country, plan on how saying this is what we have to do heat this country, how on how saying this is what we have to do heat this country, how ton how to heat this country, how to light this country. no, they're talking spouting talking and spouting and campaigning of campaigning from positions of zero responsibility and yet there's an important by—election coming up in scotland caused by the snp mp being brought down because she broke the covid rules. >> so we've got the labour party and the snp opposing this massive expanse in thousands of jobs and there's a by—election coming up. it ain't good politics. >> it's really it's really not because actually as you say, the unions are absolutely full scale behind all this because it's important jobs in an area where you know absolutely you don't have alternatives when you have many alternatives when you want a high paying i want a high paying job. so i think is it is bad politics. think it is it is bad politics. but then actually it's an snp labour off really, isn't it?

labour run off really, isn't it? so for both in the same so actually for both in the same way, maybe, it'll even so actually for both in the same way, thevbe, it'll even so actually for both in the same way, the tory it'll even so actually for both in the same way, the tory vote. it'll even help the tory vote. >> is very interesting >> yeah, it is very interesting how vocal gary smith in particular union boss has been from the gmb . yeah, yeah, yeah. from the gmb. yeah, yeah, yeah. >> and that's britain's second largest union. >> he asked you know, we've been promised revolution. promised this green revolution. we've all of these we've been promised all of these thousands of green we thousands of green jobs. we ain't seeing them. that's what he's essentially said. >> yeah, but also you have a few more oil, don't you think, emily? >> that politician this >> that politician in this country, on the left, country, especially on the left, they're honest they're not being honest with people how much getting to people about how much getting to net zero by 2050 is going to cost them is a think tank. >> tried honest he >> and tried to be honest he said 1 to £2 trillion and it's now it's now 4 trillion. now it's now it's 4 trillion. >> and now that that equates to £6,000 a year for every household for 27 years, household for the next 27 years, who afford that? who can afford that? >> and i would just say, though, on the point, emily, about the it that we meet it being in law, that we meet net by 2050, it's law net zero by 2050, it's in law now. you know, the next government could change that. now. you know, the next gowone ent could change that. now. you know, the next gowone afterould change that. now. you know, the next gowone after that change that. now. you know, the next gowone after that coulde that. now. you know, the next gowone after that could change the one after that could change that law until they that only in law until they change it to a different law change it to a different law change it. >> yeah you know and that of

course it was theresa may's government did government that did it. >> on the international >> imagine on the international stage. wouldn't stage. they wouldn't though would stage. they wouldn't though wotno, they would. >> no, they would. >> no, they would. >> they should. >> they should. >> they should think >> but they should think actually the prime minister actually he's the prime minister of great britain. they kingdom i mean, you the international mean, you say the international conferences, you the conferences, but you say the international at germany. >> germ any. >> are germany. >> are germany going to object to this? because >> are germany going to object to look this? because >> are germany going to object to look at this? because >> are germany going to object to look at how this? because >> are germany going to object to look at how they because >> are germany going to object to look at how they were, jse >> are germany going to object to look at how they were, you look, look at how they were, you know, in the thrall to putin. they're they're still they're having they're still having a time when having to buy oil at a time when it was banned from buying oil from putin. >> yeah. yeah >> yeah. yeah >> to keep them going. >> to keep them going. >> think the prime >> the do you think the prime minister's couple good weeks? >> yeah, i think he has. >> yeah, i think he has. >> i think really has. and >> i think he really has. and actually the snap polling after he made the announcement on delaying the ban petrol delaying the ban on petrol and yeah. new petrol cars and boilers and showed about it boilers and it showed about it was big split in country. was a big split in the country. it was about 4748 on both sides. but when you drill down into the figures , i think was 71% of figures, i think it was 71% of people voted conservative in people who voted conservative in 2019 backed him . and so, you 2019 backed him. and so, you know, that is the key kind of coalition of voters he's trying to appeal to here. and another

polling since has shown that actually it's very popular. so i think he's definitely had a good few weeks. i think the big problem he's got now is hs2, how he's going to deal with that as he's going to deal with that as he in manchester. what he arrives in manchester. what a mess . mess. >> timing ridiculous . >> the timing ridiculous. >> the timing ridiculous. >> yes. >> yes. >> but the thing is, i think the pubuc >> but the thing is, i think the public are going to be behind him because of those ridicule salaries we saw for all those people who were the sum people who were doing the sum total nothing, i think total of nothing, i think they just have to i mean, i've gone from you've to from thinking you've got to carry you? carry on, haven't you? >> because spent. >> because we've spent. >> because we've spent. >> but we had lord berkeley on here who did the independent review said not 100 review of hs2. he said not 100 billion. it'll be £180 billion. >> and that's now we're thinking it's already tripled. >> yeah , yeah. so you go. >> yeah, yeah. so there you go. but keir starmer, i mean, he needs to actually tell the pubuc needs to actually tell the public what he believes in. >> well, he does, but then he. well then he. >> then he changes his mind. >> then he changes his mind. >> opposed hs2. >> then he changes his mind. >> we've pposed hs2. >> then he changes his mind. >> we've gotsed hs2. >> then he changes his mind. >> we've got the. hs2. >> we've got the. >> we've got the. >> we've got the. >> we've got the footage of it. >> we've got the footage of it. >> yeah yeah. >> yeah. yeah yeah. >> yeah. yeah yeah. >> coming back. apparently >> would you be complaining about would still be complaining? >> i've got questions for sam,

but to ask, but i haven't had time to ask, so definitely be back. so i'll definitely be back. >> sam lister caramelo yes, in the few moments. the next few moments. >> braverman had the >> suella braverman has had the backing of number 10 to potentially leave the echr well, i to float the idea . i think it's to float the idea. >> i'm not sure we're there yet. >> i'm not sure we're there yet. >> no, probably not. >> no, probably not. >> but it's great talking >> but it's a great talking point . point. >> i'm alex deakin. this is your latest the latest weather update from the met for gb news after met office for gb news after storm agnes. places having storm agnes. most places having a day today. a bit breezy a fine day today. a bit breezy at times, most places dry at times, but most places dry and so there is some and bright. so there is some more wet on the way more wet weather on the way there tonight there with especially tonight storm clearing away. storm agnes is clearing away. but there's a couple of other areas pressure areas of low pressure and weather heading in, weather fronts heading in, bringing increasing of bringing increasing amounts of cloud the a few cloud into the west. a few scattered showers here and there, some more persistent rain coming west of northern coming into the west of northern ireland later this afternoon. many central and parts, many central and eastern parts, though, fine . yes, though, dry and fine. yes, a fair bit of cloud, but parts of eastern england, northeast scotland lengthy scotland seeing some lengthy spells sunshine in the spells of sunshine in the sunshine the south—east, 20 sunshine in the south—east, 20 degrees and for most degrees is likely. and for most places pleasant , 17 places reasonably pleasant, 17 to 18, the winds will start to

pick up again, however, and here comes northern comes the rain. northern ireland, south—west england, then into parts wales and then into parts of wales and scotland evening, scotland during the evening, some pretty heavy bursts of rain, and particularly across parts wales, little parts of south wales, little concerned about the amount of rain falling here over the hills that could some issues. that could cause some issues. heavy too for the midlands heavy rain too for the midlands and england through the and eastern england through the early mostly early hours. temperatures mostly holding rain holding up. but as the rain clears drop down clears later, we could drop down to figures with some to single figures with some clearer spells. for many , it's clearer spells. for many, it's going be a fine friday. we going to be a fine friday. we start with a bit of rain over east anglia in the southeast. that should gone after that should be gone soon after the there be the rush hour. there will be heavy coming in across heavy showers coming in across northern parts of northern and western parts of scotland. day with scotland. blustery day here with more or 2 very more showers, 1 or 2 very isolated showers elsewhere. but again, many places, tomorrow again, for many places, tomorrow will be and breezy with will be bright and breezy with some sunshine. some good spells of sunshine. and southeast, we could and in the southeast, we could see 21. >> so coming up, has the home secretary suella braverman been authorised by downing street to float idea leaving that float the idea of leaving that european convention on human rights? a warning before rights? a warning shot before the not to the strasbourg court not to block again flights deporting migrants to rwanda, flights that

i want to see happen as soon as possible. yes. >> what do you think is coming up in next month? >> not that long. next month? yeah

well . good morning. well. good morning. >> it's 11 am. on thursday, the 28th of september. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. with me, andrew pierce and emily carver. >> it is lawless britain, the community in south london are

grieving the loss of a 15 year old girl who was stabbed to death in her school uniform by a 17 year old boy has been arrested. >> and speaking yesterday, the chief superintendent, andy brittain, delivered a message, i'm we're hearing i'm afraid, which we're hearing far often. far too often. >> this is every parent's worst nightmare . and i know the nightmare. and i know the officers who responded this morning, along with our emergency service colleagues, morning, along with our emn devasted 5rvice colleagues, morning, along with our emndevasted seated olleagues, morning, along with our emndevasted seated ateagues, morning, along with our emndevasted seated at theies, are devasted seated at the victim's death , government victim's death, government minister richard holden told gb news breakfast earlier they are not ruling out a return to widespread stop and search powers to tackle. >> micah i'm certainly not against that. >> we've got there are powers there and local police forces can use them when necessary. when there are issues on the ground . we need to get these ground. we need to get these knives off the street and a gb news exclusive, the mayor of manchester, andy burnham , told manchester, andy burnham, told us here how he wants to clean up. >> go to manchester's air without one of those hideous ulez style charging zones. finally the people of greater

manchester are now the bosses of the buses. >> the other way round . >> it's the other way round. >> it's the other way round. >> interesting. the reaction to what andy burnham was saying there about ruling out ulez schemes. a lot of people writing in to say, well, why are there all these cameras and sign ins? signages >> why is he planning it? a little later perhaps we'll see how it's going to roll out in london. of course. in london, of course, a lot those cameras course, a lot of those cameras have vandalised. have been vandalised. >> a lot of you at home >> a lot a lot of you at home are actually from around greater manchester. know what manchester. so let us know what you think about that. email us gbviews@gbnews.com. but first, let's with . lisa let's get the news with. lisa good morning. >> it's just after 11. i'm lisa hartle in the newsroom. roads and local transport minister richard holden says the government will not rule out stop and search after a 15 year old girl was stabbed to death on her way to school in london. a

17 year old boy who knew the victim remains in custody after being arrested in croydon yesterday morning. the girl's school described her as a valued friend and pupil. mr holden told gb news what's being done to tackle knife crime. >> new legislation has been brought in, sentences are being strengthened and which is vitally important as well. but overall i think this is about us as a society, really ensuring that we get across to people, that we get across to people, that there is no place for possession of a knife and that , possession of a knife and that, yes, the government will act with tougher sentencing. we've got extra police, 20,000 plus now, extra since when? i was elected in 2019. out on the streets. >> meanwhile, former met police detective peter bleksley says police need to be more robust in tackling knife crime . tackling knife crime. >> knife crime is at epidemic proportions . there are so far proportions. there are so far this year, up until august , so this year, up until august, so in the 12 months up until august

, there had been 211 knife crime incidents with injury. in croydon alone and that only makes it the 10th most prevalent borough in london. so there's nine boroughs worth than croydon. there are too many knives, there are too many stabbings, there are too many deaths . deaths. >> the new defence secretary has visited the ukrainian capital capital kyiv, for the first time since taking up the post. grant shapps discussed how to bolster ukraine's air defences during talks with ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy president zelenskyy thanked mr shapps for the uk's help. mr shapps replaced ben wallace as defence secretary last month and vowed to keep up britain's support for ukraine. the labour leader has denied launching an attack on private schools with his plans to impose vat payments on fees if he wins an election. sir keir starmer says he's comfortable with the institutions, but wants

to ensure state schools are of equal quality. sir keir says that his plan is about the removal of a tax exemption . he removal of a tax exemption. he also encourages private schools not to raise fees due to the additional costs imposed by the policy . it experts are calling policy. it experts are calling on the prime minister to prioritise ai ethics during a safety summit next month. a survey by bcs, the chartered institute for it, found that 88% of tech experts want the uk to lead in setting global ethical standards. the survey also shows that 82% believe companies should publish ethical policies on al use . new laws should publish ethical policies on al use. new laws in should publish ethical policies on al use . new laws in northern on al use. new laws in northern ireland have been implemented, preventing the public from attending trials for serious sexual offences. the law extends the anonymity for victims until 25 years after their death and provides anonymity for suspects until they are charged. the measures aim to protect victims and encourage reporting of sexual crimes . any violations

sexual crimes. any violations carry penalties of up to six months in prison . car production months in prison. car production in august dropped by nearly 10% following six months of growth. that's according to the society of motor manufacturers and traders . the slowdown was due to traders. the slowdown was due to summer shutdowns and production pauses at some plants for planned maintenance. exports also declined by 5.5, mainly due to fewer shipments to the us, china and japan . and an china and japan. and an extremely rare silvery gibbon has been born at a wildlife park on the isle of man . the pictures on the isle of man. the pictures show the yet to be named gibbon, nestled in its mother's lap. it's the third silvery gibbon arrival at the zoo since the baby's parents were brought over to the island in 2016 as part of a global breeding programme. they're an endangered species with only 2000 left in the wild . this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio, and on your smart speaken radio, and on your smart speaker. by saying play gb news

now it's back to andrew and . emily >> welcome back. this is britain's newsroom with me, emily carver and andrew pierce. now, i believe we've got some breaking news from our home and security editor mark white. more migrant boats are expected to begin landing again on the island lampedusa from island of lampedusa from tomorrow. strong winds were preventing crossings. let's find out what's going on. mark can you bring us the very latest from lampedusa, where you are ? from lampedusa, where you are? yeah well, police source telling us that more migrant boats are expected to arrive in arrive in lampedusa from tomorrow or really the last migrant boats that made it to this italian island , the closest italian island, the closest italian island, the closest italian island to tunisia, was in thursday. >> on thursday of last week, when 75 people arrived in a

boat. and then the winds picked up. and really for the past, no more than a week, the winds have been blowing across this stretch of the mediterranee oranian making it impassable. of the mediterranee oranian making it impassable . and that's making it impassable. and that's given the authorities time actually to clear the decks , to actually to clear the decks, to get reinforcements in the way of extra police officers from around italy. also red cross volunteers arriving on the island. and the last of those 11,000 migrants who arrive here in a five day period and just a week before last, have now left the island. they left on wednesday . on wednesday evening, wednesday. on wednesday evening, 101 of those migrants , mainly 101 of those migrants, mainly from sub—saharan africa . so the from sub—saharan africa. so the decks have been cleared. they are as prepared as they can be and it will just depend on what we see. if we see a surge, as we we see. if we see a surge, as we saw we see. if we see a surge, as we saw in recent days and weeks, then it will ovennhelm this

island again. the hope is that it is of a magnitude significantly less than that and that the authorities are able to cope with them. but as i say , cope with them. but as i say, the breaking news that we've been given from well—placed sources is that the first of those boats are expected to arrive on this island on friday mark. >> huge story here. as you know, the appalling fatal stabbing of a 15 year old schoolgirl in a school uniform. the we've talked to on gb news earlier to richard holden, a government minister who says he absolutely supports more widespread use of stop and search. just clarify for us what the position is. is it down to chief constables in individual police authority areas , whether police authority areas, whether they use more stop and search or . not >> yes, to an extent. i mean, we of course, it comes down really from on high. what the government and the home secretary say is acceptable levels of stop and search as

well. you'll remember, andrew, that in the rain of theresa may as home secretary, there was a real sort of cooling off period when it came to stop and search. and i spoke to many police contacts in that period who said that there was a significant rise in knife crime, that they put down to their inability to be out there proactively on the streets, stopping these predominantly young men carrying weapons in london boroughs in particular. and they say , you particular. and they say, you know, it's difficult to quantify just the difference that they make, but when they're out there in force , they're proactively in force, they're proactively stopping people, people know that there is a good chance that they're likely to be stopped by police so they don't carry or at least they hide their weapons away. usually in a local park that they can go and get. it's a difficult problem. it's been a problem for many years. it's particularly significant at the moment because we've had 15 teenage murders this year alone

. we have had 45,000 knife related offences in the year to march last year and are that ranges from those being stopped carrying knives to those assaulting or threatening people with with knife. but it's unacceptably high. it's an increase on the previous year and really what's required. i think at the end of the day is a cultural change. you know, you can only do so much in policing and proactive policing, but you need to convince communities is that carrying knives is not the way fonnard and that in doing that you're more liable to get into the kind of trouble that might result in you being stabbed yourself. >> it's interesting, the word stabbed yourself. >> used teresting, the word stabbed yourself. >> used there,ng, the word stabbed yourself. >> used there, culturalvord stabbed yourself. >> used there, cultural and you used there, cultural and communities. i mean, i think we know what you're saying this know what you're saying is this is particular issue in the is a particular issue in the black community in some our black community in some of our inner cities with the gang culture for and some reason, we've somehow get it into we've got to somehow get it into these young men's head . it's not these young men's head. it's not clever, not cool to go out

clever, it's not cool to go out of the house the morning on of the house in the morning on your way to school a 12 your way to school with a 12 inch in your bag . inch blade in your bag. >> no, that's absolutely true. and yes, there is a problem in black communities in london. but that's not to say that there's not a problem in in white communities in newcastle or, you know, in carlisle or wherever you might go to. it just happens to be the demographics of inner city london and a lot of boroughs is made up of larger proportion of young black males . and there is there is no doubt that a culture amongst many there to carry weapons is for bravado, for protection or whatever it might be. but of course it always gets sucked into a racial issue with stop and search and you stop young people that might be carrying knives in london and immediately it's a racial issue. you're targeting young black men. but as i say, if you go further north in the uk to other cities

, you will see that predominantly in newcastle or in durham or across in cardiff, they are predominantly stopping young white men . young white men. >> thank you very much indeed for your time. mark wright there in lampedusa , bringing us up to in lampedusa, bringing us up to date on the migrant crisis and also the fatal stabbing of a 15 year old. i wonder how many of those extra migrants who are to going pour into lampedusa will then set off for britain? i don't know. but i imagine quite a of them like to, as a lot of them would like to, as they would destination. but they would end destination. but we'll find out in due we'll we'll find out in due course , won't we. yeah, but course, won't we. yeah, but yeah, it's great that mark is out there bringing us the very latest from the coalface of what is become well the heart of the european migrant crisis at the moment. shall we speak to tom hannood about what the home secretary has been saying? she's refused to rule out the prospect of the uk leaving the echr. tom, what's going on with this? what exactly has been said ? well

exactly has been said? well there's a live debate within the top of government really over what the position with regards to the echr should be. >> the official government line is one of equivocation . it is is one of equivocation. it is that it believes that the rwanda policy is legal within the framework of the echr. but if it turns out that the courts disagree with the government's assessment, no option is going to be taken off the table. and that opens the door to something pretty extraordinary . it opens pretty extraordinary. it opens the door to the possibility that the door to the possibility that the government might well entertain the prospect of leaving the echr and why does this all matter? why has this come to a head right now? well, we learn media reports that the rwanda court date is set for the ninth of next month. it will likely not conclude until november, but the 9th of october is when these court hearings begin. and this is absolutely

crucial, not for just the rwanda scheme, but also so for the entire government's position towards the echr . towards the echr. >> and if the supreme court rules it's illegal policy. tom is the is the is the expectation it will then go to the european court, which is why suella braverman is already floating the idea. we've got to seriously consider withdrawing . well consider withdrawing. well that's always a possibility. >> and we'll remember that in the past it has, of course been echr judge moments that have stopped individual plans from going on a plane to rwanda. last minute rulings from judges in the echr not stopping the plane from flying, if we remember. but just taking every single individual off that plane. it didn't rule out the rwanda scheme. it ruled out those individuals from taking part in the rwanda scheme. so there is every possibility that this is legal under the terms of the

echr, because the only time that it has been stopped before hand by the echr has been to stop, not the scheme in general, not the idea that an individual might go to rwanda if they are arrive illegally in the united kingdom , but that those specific kingdom, but that those specific circum instances of those specific individuals were deemed unsuitable . so there is the unsuitable. so there is the prospect , unsuitable. so there is the prospect, and i believe this is what the government is very much hoping for, that the courts may well find this legal even at the level of the echr. but of course if it is not found legal at that level, that then re opens this clear rift within government, this clear rift within the cabinet, some around that cabinet, some around that cabinet table very keen to be more fervent on the government's position that they would be willing to leave the echr if they can't deliver their own policy prospectus. but others of course, saying that that would open a huge array of problems, leaving the echr would have

implications for the good friday agreement. so they claim would have implications for the trade and cooperation cooperation agreement with the european union . so they claim the union. so they claim the membership of the united kingdom within the european court and convention of human rights underpins many other different deals and treaties. and it would be a complicated web to unpick and rebuild. that's the argument from the other side of the cabinet table , perhaps preparing cabinet table, perhaps preparing for all eventualities or empty threats . threats. >> well, yeah, but you know, tom, it would be an interesting idea if rishi sunak goes into a general election campaign as part of his manifesto saying we would take britain out of the european court of human rights. i despite the howls of i think despite the howls of protest the lawyers in his protest from the lawyers in his own and we get me own party and we don't get me started what the house of started on what the house of lords would say about it, i think would be a very popular think it would be a very popular policy. well it is interesting talking to people around and rishi sunak there is this sense that is a sort of rishi that there is a sort of rishi

unleashed plan beginning to roll out the word within downing street is that his first ten months as prime minister was about steadying the ship steady , seeing the markets steadying . , seeing the markets steadying. on tax and spend and all the rest of it getting the economy sort of on a on a flat footing. >> and we have seen, of course, uk gdp uprated by 2% recently in cns uk gdp uprated by 2% recently in ons statistics, but now people around the prime minister are saying now is the time for the prime minister to move to on become more of a change politician, someone who will deliver changes to the way that the united kingdom works . we've the united kingdom works. we've heard, of course, how he wants to change those or has already changed some of those net zero policy proposals . and indeed policy proposals. and indeed there are all sorts of rumours about whether or not there should be charging for missed gp appointments. that's something that rishi sunak stood on as a manifesto pledge when he stood

to be leader of the conservative party last summer, but also all sorts of other ideas and potentially one of these more fervent policy proposals to be a clear wedge of difference between the conservative party and the labour party. something to turn rishi sunak into a change candidate as people around rishi sunak sort of accept that the great british pubuc accept that the great british public sees the next election, for better or worse , as the need for better or worse, as the need to be a change election . could to be a change election. could rishi sunak deliver that change message with a strong tone on the echr ? that is certainly an the echr? that is certainly an active discussion within number 10. fascinating talking about maths till 18 isn't going to cut it, is it? >> no, no. >> no, no. >> tom. >> tom. great. >> tom. great. thanks >> tom. great. thanks for joining. that's tom hannood, our deputy political editor. i counted up actually and rishi sunak speech week where he sunak speech last week where he announced in announced the long overdue, in my delay in the net zero my view, delay in the net zero targets about petrol cars and gas boilers and the like. the word change was the speech word change was in the speech more than 12 times, so that is

clearly going to be change, as tom was saying. yeah, well, let's so, because we need change. >> we need change. we need a lot of change in every area of our society. >> and we also need the prime minister start sounding like >> and we also need the prime mconservative. t sounding like >> and we also need the prime mconservative. that nding like >> and we also need the prime mconservative. that nding |be a conservative. that would be really helpful. >> it needs perhaps >> yes, it needs to perhaps improve delivery, we improve his delivery, but we will his speech will wait to see his speech bouncing up down he's bouncing up and down like he's on a pogo stick. >> it's like he's taking excitable. it's it's that >> it's like he's taking excit.he 5. it's it's that >> it's like he's taking excit.he takes it's that >> it's like he's taking excit.he takes a it's that >> it's like he's taking excit.he takes a coke; that >> it's like he's taking excit.he takes a coke as|at >> it's like he's taking excit.he takes a coke as in coke. coke he takes a coke as in coke. coca cola . it's. it's one. no, coca cola. it's. it's one. no, no, it's one from south america . think it's south american or . i think it's south american or something. no, it comes something. he gets. no, it comes from . something. he gets. no, it comes frorhe . something. he gets. no, it comes frorhe say . something. he gets. no, it comes frorhe say he was a coke >> he did say he was a coke addict once in a classroom. but of course, he meant cola. of course, he meant coca cola. >> it's too much blooming >> it's got too much blooming caffeine and sugar in it, which is sometimes you bouncing up is why sometimes you bouncing up and down much. he's and down too much. but he's a hard he is . hard worker. he is. >> he's hard worker. and he is >> he's a hard worker. and he is saying some sensible things. so we'll see what happens at the party conference course, party conference will of course, be you, well, be bringing you, well, absolutely need be bringing you, well, ab know. ly need be bringing you, well, ab know. i'll need be bringing you, well, ab know. i'll be need be bringing you, well, ab know. i'll be there need manchester. >> fact, this show will be >> in fact, this show will be broadcast from manchester. >> it really? >> will it really? >> will it really? >> from monday. fantastic. >> yeah, from monday. fantastic.

i'll well to i'll be there, too as well to see what's going on. >> really. so come, how >> really. so still to come, how far go for three day far would you go for three day weekend? south cambridgeshire district been district council has been accused of tampering with a report four day working report on its four day working week wonder why that week trial. wonder why that is funny you're with britain's funny that you're with britain's newsroom news. newsroom on gb news. >> i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met for news. after met office for gb news. after storm agnes. places having storm agnes. most places having a fine day today. a bit breezy at but places dry at times, but most places dry and bright . at times, but most places dry and bright. so there is some more wet weather on the way. there especially tonight. storm agnes but agnes is clearing away, but there's other areas there's a couple of other areas of pressure and weather of low pressure and weather fronts in, bringing fronts heading in, bringing increasing amounts of cloud into the scattered the west. a few scattered showers there . some showers here and there. some more persistent rain coming into the of northern ireland the west of northern ireland later afternoon . many later this afternoon. many central eastern parts, central and eastern parts, though, yes, a though, dry and fine. yes, a fair of cloud, but parts of fair bit of cloud, but parts of eastern england, northeast scotland seeing some lengthy spells sunshine the spells of sunshine in the sunshine south—east. 20 sunshine in the south—east. 20 degrees is likely and for most places reasonably pleasant. 17 to winds will start to to 18, the winds will start to pick up again, however, and here comes the rain. northern

ireland's south—west england, then wales and then into parts of wales and scotland the evening, scotland during the evening, some heavy bursts of rain some pretty heavy bursts of rain and particularly across of and particularly across parts of south wales. little concerned about of rain falling about the amount of rain falling here hills. that could here over the hills. that could cause some issues. rain cause some issues. heavy rain too the midlands and eastern too for the midlands and eastern england through the early hours. temperatures holding temperatures mostly holding up, but the rain clears later, we but as the rain clears later, we could drop down to single figures clearer figures with some clearer spells. for many, it's going to be a fine friday. we start with a of rain over east anglia a bit of rain over east anglia in southeast. that should be in the southeast. that should be gone rush hour. gone soon after the rush hour. there heavy showers there will be heavy showers coming across northern and coming in across northern and western of scotland. western parts of scotland. a blustery here more blustery day here with more showers. 1 or 2 very isolated showers. 1 or 2 very isolated showers again, showers elsewhere. but again, for tomorrow will for many places, tomorrow will be bright and breezy with some good sunshine. in good spells of sunshine. and in the could see

patrick christys on gb news. i'm gb news radio . and it's 1126. gb news radio. and it's1126. >> you're with britain's newsroom with gb news with me, andrew pierce and emily carver. >> yes. now a counselling cambridgeshire has been accused of tampering with an independent report into a four day working week trial. the accusations suggest that she edited the wording to put it into a more positive light . we've seen quite positive light. we've seen quite a lot of this recently. you have local councils and things. the council has denied this allegation defended their allegation and defended their actions were actions by saying there were clarifications to make confusing language clearer. so let's speak to the leader of the conservative group at south cambridgeshire district council who is making this accusation. heather, what is it exactly that you are you and others are

accusing the council of doing here? >> so what i can see from the report that i've read in full is very clearly negative comments being removed. things like we don't have to do perfect work or the councillors sometimes need three responses and three emails confuse an envy amongst staff as who has a monday off and who has a friday off. these things are not language clarification , you not language clarification, you know it's not because , as has know it's not because, as has been said, the author was not a nafive been said, the author was not a native english speaker . they are native english speaker. they are decisions. they are decisions taken to remove negative comments. and i think the lib dems really need to answer clearly for their actions in this . this. >> the leader of the council turns out i've read in a report that she was spending the last three years studying a phd in

the on the four day working week. so she was very much invested in this idea. and so the council has been used as her own little guinea pig . own little guinea pig. >> so the chief executive is doing the thesis , the leader of doing the thesis, the leader of the council, which is the lib dem leader. she knew that. so did the cabinet when they took decision and for me, the fact that cabinet went to a vote knowing there was conflict of interest , knowing everything, interest, knowing everything, and they made the decision to put that person in charge means that the lib dem cabinet are fully accountable . will i sit fully accountable. will i sit here as a councillor, leader of the opposition and elected the same way they are by residents and i have not been allowed a vote on this at all. so 80% of residents have had no vote. the lib dems have just run with this. they've pursued this . this. they've pursued this. residents are furious about it. incidentally, they weren't consulted either. so i very much

think that they need to open it out. they need to allow all councillors a vote and we need to stop this madness because the genie is out of the bottle now. it's going to be so hard to put back in and the lib dems need to answer for the carnage and the chaos that is reigning here at the moment. >> i understand a well the moment. >> lib|nderstand a well the moment. >> lib dem ;tand a well the moment. >> lib dem councillorll the moment. >> lib dem councillor david former lib dem councillor david lenthall resigned the whip partly in protest against this four day working week because essentially the council aren't providing the standard of service to people who live in this area because a four day working week may sound fantastic on paper academically , something on paper academically, something that lots of academics are looking into and thinking about how fantastic it is. but perhaps in practise it's not. not delivering as well. and actually what's quite interesting is that quite a lot of the council staff are concerned by it. >> yeah, but their job should be delivery services the delivery of services for the local ratepayers, taxpayers. i mean, me put this to you mean, let me put this to you because the district council have the clarifications

have said the clarifications suggested on the draft report were for three reasons. >> they made some confusing language clearer as the researcher is a native researcher is not a native engush researcher is not a native english speaker to remove individual member quotes which the council did not have permission to include in the report. brevity . report. and for brevity. heather, are you saying that that just nonsense? yes it's that is just nonsense? yes it's my view, having read the report, that yes , that's that's not how that yes, that's that's not how i interpret it at all. >> and , and the thing about >> and, and the thing about councillor comment, it's >> and, and the thing about councillor comment , it's not councillor comment, it's not being included now if a councillor has a comment and a view then that should be public record and this is what i'm saying about not allowing us all a say in this means that you know, thank you very much for the platform today, something that the liberal democrats are not allowing me to have in the council where i represent residents . and i think that residents. and i think that i was on a panel the other day and it was sort of joked that the word democrat is in their party title . but what we're seeing

title. but what we're seeing right now is a democratic tool, and they need to be accountable for their actions . for their actions. >> well, thank you very much indeed for your time, heather williams there, who is the leader of the conservative group group cambridgeshire group at south cambridgeshire district council. it's worth noting you for your time. noting thank you for your time. it's worth noting, you know, lee rowley, of course, he's a conservative. he's minister for local government, but he's you know, the pilot was know, he said the pilot was deemed success academics . deemed a success by academics. and, of course, the liberal democrats , but it's failed to democrats, but it's failed to meet its targets on all sorts of areas . areas. >> so how can it be a success based on the streets ? based on the streets? >> so i've also got to do with academics. i've got to do with, you these little you know, it's all these little pet projects, isn't it? the measure is what the local people think. getting services think. are they getting services delivered way they're delivered in the way they're expected? yeah delivered in the way they're eprnd d? yeah delivered in the way they're eprnd they yeah delivered in the way they're eprnd they get yeah delivered in the way they're eprnd they get paid yeah delivered in the way they're eprnd they get paid exactly the >> and they get paid exactly the same for working for days. they don't have don't even have to have compressed hours. don't even have to have conandised hours. don't even have to have conand let's1ours. don't even have to have conand let's start and let's not >> and let's start and let's not even go with what's happening in whitehall because whitehall in london, because civil spending civil servants are spending a lot of time from home lot of time working from home and getting the and they're still getting the very london weighting very lucrative london weighting allowance, to

very lucrative london weighting allovto ce, to very lucrative london weighting allovto defray to very lucrative london weighting allovto defray costs to very lucrative london weighting allovto defray costs of to help to defray the costs of travelling and the travelling into london and the costs of buying your lunch in london. why they london. how come? why are they allowed that allowed to keep that london weighting? it. weighting? i don't get it. >> i've got no problem with, you know, businesses and councils trialling ideas. trialling new ideas. >> concerns >> but if there are concerns that their twisting, that actually their twisting, twisting or, you know, reports like twisting the evidence like this twisting the evidence in then in their favour, then that's something concerned something to be very concerned about. our eye on about. we'll keep our eye on that to come, that story. but still to come, the diva scared of coat the pop diva scared of coat hangers. out who trembles . hangers. find out who trembles. >> know who it is. i'm >> i don't know who it is. i'm fascinated at the sight of one in our paper of you. >> we'll find out. i don't >> yes, we'll find out. i don't know the know either. here's the news with . lisa with. lisa >> it's 1131. with. lisa >> it's1131. i'm lisa hartle in the newsroom. local transport minister richard holden says the government will not rule out stop and search after a 15 year old girl named locally as eliana was stabbed to death on her way to school in london. a 17 year old boy who knew the victim remains in custody after being arrested in croydon yesterday morning. the girl's school

described her as a valued friend and pupil . described her as a valued friend and pupil. more migrant boats are expected to arrive on the italian island of lampedusa tomorrow as weather conditions improve . strong winds in the improve. strong winds in the mediterranean prevented any crossings for more than a week. gb news understands that tunisian people smugglers have now begun preparing boats to launch into the sea . the new launch into the sea. the new defence secretary has visited the ukrainian capital kyiv for the ukrainian capital kyiv for the first time since taking up the first time since taking up the post. grant shapps discussed how to bolster ukraine's air defences during talks with ukraine's president vladimir zelenskyy. president zelenskyy thanked the uk for its help. mr shapps replaced ben wallace as defence secretary last month and vowed to keep up britain's support for ukraine. the labour leader has denied launching an attack on private schools with his plans to impose vat payments on fees if he wins an election . on fees if he wins an election. sir keir starmer says he's comfortable with the institutions but wants to ensure

state schools are of equal quality . sir state schools are of equal quality. sir keir state schools are of equal quality . sir keir says his state schools are of equal quality. sir keir says his plan is about the removal of a tax exemption . on you can get more exemption. on you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website , gbnews.com visiting our website, gbnews.com i >> direct bullion sponsors. the finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment . gold and silver investment. >> here's a quick snapshot of today's markets. the pound will buy you $1.2193 and ,1.1569. the price of gold is £1,538 and £0.54 per ounce. and the ftse 100 is at 70,561 points. direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news for physical investment . investment. >> still to come on the show, we're going to have carole

malone and sam lister back with us in the studio to go through some of the biggest stories that are on the front pages today and inside the papers. and we'll hear your views. we've hear some of your views. we've got of them coming on got lots of them coming in on all stay tuned. this all sorts. so stay tuned. this is

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squeaky chair. >> i'm still squeaky, >> i'm still not squeaky, just you know, now got you know, look, now we've got lots emails and text coming lots of emails and text coming in. never notice at in. charming i never notice at all. never noticed. and sam, as well. >> yes. emails well on knife crime, of course , is the crime, of course, is the reaction to this horrific back stabbing of this 15 year old girl in london in broad daylight, in broad daylight, 830 in the morning. yeah. it's angela says as a grandmother of five boys under 12, it terrifies me for them. i'm not surprised . me for them. i'm not surprised. i'm not surprised because it is getting younger and younger and younger and i'd it's whole idea isn't it? >> you wave your child off to school, then you get the phone call from hell. she's dead, bleeding to death in front of her friends on pavement by her friends on the pavement by the . the school bus. >> and what changes? nothing >> and yet what changes? nothing changes the number stabbings changes the number of stabbings don't down the number of, you don't go down the number of, you know, know when know, you know, when this happens your you know happens to your child, you know it's not just the child who dies . family you know the . the family dies. you know the family know the family. family. you know the family. they go their lives are they go on their lives are ruined forever. yet nothing ruined forever. and yet nothing has happened in 21, 22, we saw

the number of people the highest number of people killed with knife for 76 years. >> it's unbelievable . i don't >> it's unbelievable. i don't know what this year is yet, but dennis zero tolerance is dennis says zero tolerance is the answer. minimum mandatory one prison sentence. that's the answer. minimum mandatory one he prison sentence. that's the answer. minimum mandatory one he pristalkingence. that's the answer. minimum mandatory one he pristalking about.hat's what he was talking about. sentencing someone on earlier. he was talking. >> estimate? estimate? estimate. he was talking about how important sentencing is, too, because often you know, because too often you know, teenagers doing this in teenagers are doing this in court and they're not actually. and of knife people and a lot of knife people involved crime do not involved with knife crime do not get custodial sentence. get a custodial sentence. >> get a suspended >> they get a suspended sentence. and especially if they're the they're young, because the thinking the liberal left is thinking of the liberal left is that if you're young, give them a gun to wreck your life. >> if you go to any kind of centre, bang them up. >> well, we've got sam back with us malone. us and carole malone. >> of course, >> sam, big story, of course, affecting gb news our channel that we are broadcasting from the laurence fox the suspension of laurence fox and dan wootton following follow going well very derogatory comments that were made on dan wootton's show by laurence fox. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> by laurence fox. i have to say i was really appalled and

depressed by this. you know, it's just it's just horrible. i don't know where either , but i don't know where either, but i know she didn't deserve this . know she didn't deserve this. the any woman does. no woman deserves it. i think the for me, the right, the freedom, you know, the right to free speech thatis know, the right to free speech that is about tackling issues in a frank and robust way. if you use that freedom to attack and belittle women, that says more about you than anybody else. and ijust about you than anybody else. and i just feel i'm glad about you than anybody else. and ijust feel i'm glad gb news have apologise guys, and i'm glad they've taken the action. they did. i think it's very, very sad all round . very sad all round. >> now, of course there will be a lot of people watching this at home and listening who will you know, who won't agree with what has happened. >> quite a lot of emails from those very people. >> it's worth reiterating >> but it's worth reiterating that broadcasters are regulated by ofcom . by ofcom. >> it's interesting because i was with ava yesterday. i happened to be on a tv show. >> the young woman who the young woman who was at the centre of all this. >> so laurence fox abused in the

terrible that he did. and i terrible way that he did. and i saw the it had on saw for the effect it had on this a girl who, you know, this is a girl who, you know, she's a very smart girl. you know, looked up, don't know, we all looked up, don't we? who go to everyone we? women who go to everyone thinks and we thinks that we're tough and we know got a thick skin. we know we've got a thick skin. we haven't. and was broken by haven't. and she was broken by this yesterday. she was very good. she was very professional. she went on air. she did what she had to do on air. but i could see the effect. it was having on her. and what and i think gb news is that exactly the right thing in suspend ing fox and launching an investigation when they did what you know what they had to do and they did it very quickly, which which was good for ava and for the us. but you know, the rest of us. but you know, because what fox did plays into this, stereotype, this, this stereotype, this is that narrative that this belief, this narrative that this belief, this narrative that that women shouldn't have opinions. you know, women if you've got blonde hair and you look like a woman and, you know , you sound smart, well then you. that's what a lot of guys actually think. and i think we have to call that out at every opportunity. and the thing for me working for this

me about working for this station is that am allowed to station is that i am allowed to say not as a woman or a man, but as a journalist and as a commentator. i'm allowed to say what i want within reason and thatis what i want within reason and that is a joy for me. and to have someone like him try to destroy that, try to destroy the platform that we all have here, really is upsetting. >> but what the fear about all this, of course, would be then, sam, that the very many opponents of gb news who don't like us have never wanted us to be a success. and we are a success. we stuff bbc and success. we stuff the bbc and sky all the time. nobody sky news all the time. nobody talk. uk doesn't even get near it. never heard it. but it. i've never heard of it. but on night a what i on newsnight last night a what i would call a fairly cult bbc2 programme. it's got a very small audience. not one, not audience. they had not one, not two, but three guests who all sang from exactly the same hymn sheet, close down gb sheet, saying close down gb news. so much for balance and objectivity on the bbc. >> i mean, clearly there will be people who will seize every time there is any kind of issue

people are going to seize on it. and i think, you know, gb news has to be braced for that. that is certainly going to be a thing for newcomers, insurgents. >> happens. >> that's what happens. >> that's what happens. >> think , you know, as >> and i think, you know, as a new channel, i'm sure there are things that people here are learning all the time about how to things. you know, to handle things. you know, i think it's a shame that laurence fox has done this to the station and the good work that other people did. >> is quite depressing to >> it is quite depressing to hear likes of, you hear from the likes of, you know, former big former sky presenters , adam boulton, for presenters, adam boulton, for instance. yes, well, we can we can name him adam boulton on bbc newsnight late last night, saying essentially that gb news should be shut down because it doesn't fit his idea of what the media landscape should look like. well, it's appalling. >> and thank it doesn't. >> and thank god it doesn't. but, know, the bbc, but, you know, the bbc, you know, talk stinking know, talk about stinking hypocrites mean, thing hypocrites. i mean, the thing the scandals have gone on the scandals that have gone on under and, know , under their roof and, you know, under their roof and, you know, under auspices and yet, under their auspices and yet, like just say let's talk about jimmy saville, the big scandal that they tried to cover up

their total lack of impartiality. you know, the total lack of impartiality. now, how dare they criticise someone else? but, you know, and why why is adam boulton talking about an issue that affects women? it's this this what laurence fox did affects women. and here awesome and i we're not stupid women and we're actually having a go at him because we're allowed to on this station because adam boulton has every right to have his have his opinion the his have his opinion on the matter, he have his matter, but he can't have his opinion that bbc news, bbc, newsnight platform opinion that bbc news, bbc, news people platform opinion that bbc news, bbc, news people with platform opinion that bbc news, bbc, news people with very,|latform opinion that bbc news, bbc, news people with very, very rm three people with very, very similar opinions on the matter. >> sam, you probably know over over as well over to you. >> don't i don't know. i will >> i don't i don't know. i will actually be seeing it later on tonight, actually, at an event that both attending. that we're both attending. i don't know. but just think don't know. but i do just think actually, people like actually, when people like laurence those kind of laurence fox make those kind of comments, because they've comments, it's because they've lost argument . lost the argument. >> is true. >> and that is true. >> and that is true. >> you cannot criticise >> if you cannot criticise a woman for the opinions, if you cannot and win the cannot engage and win the argument with a woman, this is the it's the it's resource the it's the it's the resource of people who don't wish to.

it's his cheap abuse. >> it's become par for the course on social media. and i always say to people on these kind of shows, take my argument apart, destroy my argument if you can, and if you want, do not attack me personally. and that's what happens on social. >> let me tell you a very rather famous woman who i a rather huge admirer of malone, may seen admirer of malone, may have seen admirer of malone, may have seen a of her in my a life size cut—out of her in my study. >> thatcher. >> mrs. mrs. thatcher. >> mrs. mrs. thatcher. >> yes. he famously said, oh, when this person directed when this person abuse directed against me, i think that's absolutely fine because they've lost that lost the argument and that continues to this day. yeah. and she was right, wasn't she? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> and think very it >> and i think it was very it was really cheap shot . it was a really cheap shot. it lacked class and i think ava has responded with a certain dignity that shows really, you know, she was in the right on this, you know, yesterday when you when you see the effect that this has on somebody first hand. >> i mean, i don't know her very well. i've met her a few times on on jobs and stuff. and when you see the effect that she was really trying hold it

really trying to hold it together, was trying together, really was trying hard. held together hard. and she held it together when on air. but you when she was on air. but you can't and, know, know can't and, you know, you know that what's happened to her will be in her head for weeks, maybe months to come because of a stupid who couldn't take stupid man who who couldn't take her that, you her argument apart that, you know, clever know, laurence fox is a clever 91w- know, laurence fox is a clever guy. didn't he take the eye? guy. why didn't he take the eye? why did have to go into her why did he have to go into her sexuality? the fact he didn't want to her, the want to go to bed with her, the fact tried try and humiliate fact tried to try and humiliate her, you know, humiliate by her, you know, humiliate us by by our arguments. by stepping on our arguments. don't it personally. but men don't do it personally. but men do women saying because do this to women saying because , you know, of course, there will people that disagree will be people that disagree with the decision. >> but it's worth >> gb news. but it's worth saying speech does saying that free speech does come with, well, there can be consequences. >> there certainly can. >> there certainly can. >> there certainly can. >> there can be consequences . >> there can be consequences. >> there can be consequences. >> and free speech will continue to flourish on this station. >> but it's free speech to talk about issues. it's not free speech to just abuse. go about issues. it's not free speech to just abuse. g0 at somebody. i don't know if people realise how hard it is for there are so many women talented women who westminster who work in westminster in journalism , in westminster, who journalism, in westminster, who will come television will not come on television because they will be

because they know they will be abused just don't think abused and they just don't think it's it. and just think it's worth it. and i just think actually it's freedom of speech to things, not to tear to discuss things, not to tear somebody apart who for very spunous somebody apart who for very spurious reasons, i think we should. >> what should we move on to? what do you want to talk about? you two met police? >> i want to talk about this this story today about the marksman that he's been referred to as w w anyway, this is, you know , we know what happened this know, we know what happened this week where 300 met marksman laid down their arms because one of their own was being charged with murder, the murder of chris cappen murder, the murder of chris capper. and they were protesting about that. now, we found out that a guy in 2015 who shot at a man who was trying to spring two prisoners from woodgreen court, he was trying to help them escape. he got shot in that process . and that guy was was process. and that guy was was was not charged with anything criminal. but now he's going they're now trying to hit him with a charge of gross misconduct . with a charge of gross misconduct. and this is eight

years later . and this guy was years later. and this guy was doing his job. he shot a guy who was trying to spring, you know, too violent criminals from court. and eight years on, he could actually be fired because of this charge of gross misconduct. and i'm just thinking, you know, who in this country would apply for a job as a police are thinking, do you know they get paid, some of them less than 50 grand a year? i know that sounds like a lot of money to some, but it's not. when you leave your house every day kiss your kids day and you kiss your kids goodbye know if goodbye and you don't know if you're ever going back home again and these guys do this all the time and every time they discharge there's discharge a weapon, there's a massive inquiry. and there and of course, our cops should be, you know, they have to you know, they should have to follow they can't you know, they should have to follocan't they can't you know, they should have to follocan't be they can't you know, they should have to follocan't be shooting can't they can't be shooting people willy they don't. willy nilly, but they don't. >> but don't. this isn't america. >> and i was looking up in america in the last three months, there been three. months, there have been three. and thousand shootings by and a half thousand shootings by police america. to know how police in america. to know how many there have been in this country year. one. country in the last year. one. and it chris in and it was chris kaba in the year before one. they the year before that one. they the year before that one. they the year they rarely

year before they rarely discharged their gun. year before they rarely dis(and|ed their gun. year before they rarely dis(and|edfact,' gun. year before they rarely dis(and|edfact, when the police >> and in fact, when the police officer was stabbed to death by the terrorist outside parliament, palmer, the terrorist outside parpalmer , palmer, the terrorist outside parpalmer it palmer, the terrorist outside parpalmer it was palmer, the terrorist outside parpalmer it was it palmer, the terrorist outside parpalmer it was it was palmer, the terrorist outside parpalmer it was it was one1er, the terrorist outside parpalmer it was it was one of, pc palmer it was it was one of the it was michael fallon defence secretary's drive over. it was also his protection officer who shot him because there weren't armed police at that point. there are now. but that point. there are now. but that shows there's going to be fewer. >> piers, you know who is going to do that? there's something like 3000 in london now, but who would this if you know that would do this if you know that every time shoot someone or every time you shoot someone or discharge weapon discharge your weapon or whatever, that split whatever, and it's that split second decision they take, they're some. they're not doing it for some. >> and it's a life and death decision. they say, i wouldn't want to to take it. want to have to take it. >> and these are voluntary positions. people volunteer for them. know, they them. they do, you know, they are obliged to do this. and are not obliged to do this. and why would you volunteer if you know that this is going to be, you years down the line, you know, years down the line, you know, years down the line, you london you could potentially be london and by the way, you might and also by the way, you might get shot? >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> and they're doing it to protect us. to protect us. >> not doing it for fun. >> they're not doing it for fun. it does have to be accountability when when

accountability when things when wrong decisions. yes. >> and of course, we can't get into specifics, when into any specifics, but when police charged in police are are charged in connection with police marksmen, you know that there will have been great detail and care and attention taken before the prosecuting authorities reached that decision . of course, when that decision. of course, when the police officer who was charged mark charged with shooting, mark duggan , was tried in london duggan, was tried in london about eight years ago, he was cleared by a jury. >> yeah. and i think i think police officers who have been investigated, such as the case investigated, such as the case in the telegraph they in the telegraph today, they have to be able to have the right to be able to move on with lives. eight move on with their lives. eight years down the line. mean, how years down the line. i mean, how can on shoulder? can you move on shoulder? i mean, how can anybody continue in a situation? in that kind of a situation? it's beggars . in that kind of a situation? it's markggars . just said the >> mark rowley just said the other the met chief of police said the other day that there has to special protections said the other day that there hasthese special protections said the other day that there hasthese officers. protections said the other day that there hasthese officers. protethere; for these officers. and there does. it doesn't mean does. you know, it doesn't mean they around shooting they can go around shooting people whenever they feel like, but don't do but we know they don't do that now. know they don't do now. we know that they don't do that. you they've that. but as you said, they've got a second. pierce got a split second. pierce that's it. >> and, you know, if you want to take it, you do.

>> should we go to the sun? because there's a rather bizarre story. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> singer has coat phobia. >> singer has coat phobia. >> know who >> i'm fascinated to know who this is. >> well? it's someone you >> well? well, it's someone you probably it's kylie probably love. it's kylie minogue. she's she said. oh, you would sure you've got would have. i'm sure you've got all records. she was very all our records. she was very nice. she's very nice. well i'm sure she's very nice. well i'm sure she's very nice she's advertising nice but she's advertising a coat hanger. she's been paid to advertise though she advertise them even though she need money. well everyone need the money. well everyone needs money, everyone needs money. >> however, however, kylie , she's. >> she's got a coat hanger phobia. she hates them. she hates the noise they make when they clang together. and she's. but it hasn't made her not take the money. and this kind of reminds me, you've got to be careful what you advertise. you know, bedding know, she advertised bedding a few ago sheets. and few years ago sheets. and i thought , oh, few years ago sheets. and i thought, oh, i'll try them. well, she have ever well, she should have ever had me and thinking, me her life. and i'm thinking, you're for you're taking money for something. that easily something. are you that easily influenced, carol? >> i don't believe. >> i don't believe. >> well, i kind of was. >> well, i kind of was. >> she doesn't any >> she just doesn't need any temptation go shopping. temptation to go shopping. >> can tell. you know, it is >> i can tell. you know, it is true. it is true. true. it is. no, it is true. >> there was a programme to >> if there was a programme to on a shopaholic, she couldn't present it because she'd to

present it because she'd have to be subjects i have be one of the subjects i have been told actually when max profits karen malone profits would have karen malone have to leave. profits would have karen malone havi to leave. profits would have karen malone havi to leavewent to a therapy >> i actually went to a therapy group for shopaholics. you group for shopaholics. no, you didn't. because i was didn't. no, not because i was reporting on it. oh right. and the guy was in charge said the guy who was in charge said to me, tell people here for, to me, tell the people here for, you your shopping habits. you know, your shopping habits. and them and and i was telling them and i could face worse could see his face getting worse and worse. at the end, he and worse. and at the end, he said, your problem worse than yours. >> oh, no, seriously? yeah, well, i'm not. >> so. so she advertises. >> so. so she advertises. >> so. so she advertises. >> so advertised a phobia >> so she's advertised a phobia about she's got about them, but she's got a phobia, you know, in the noise that they make when they cling together. that they make when they cling tog right. really sends that they make when they cling tog on ht. really sends that they make when they cling tog on edge, really sends that they make when they cling tog on edge, apparently. ends that they make when they cling tog on edge, apparently. and her on edge, apparently. and and. she's still going to be and. but she's still going to be taking i don't know taking the money. i don't know how as weapons. how have been used as weapons. >> right. but. i don't >> right. but. well, i don't think the reason. think that's the reason. >> are they a very sexy >> i mean, are they a very sexy subject? i mean, it's not very kylie, is it? >> i mean, you know, there's a name for it. >> when did you last buy a coat hanger? >> oh, buy them all the time. >> oh, buy them all the time. >> not going to tell you >> i'm not going to tell you about my coat hanger. buy them all it's actually got all the time. it's actually got a name? >> yeah, it's a phobia.

>> yeah, it's a phobia. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> cream. astraphobia. >> cream. cream. astraphobia. >> cream. cream. astraphobia. >> cream. cream. astraphobia. >> cream. astraphobia. >> cream. cream. astraphobia. >> who ream. astraphobia. >> cream. cream. astraphobia. >> who knew?!\straphobia. yeah. who knew? >> knew that every day is >> who knew that every day is a school day? >> andrew so quickly to this story in the mail. >> just i think we've just got enough. just about enough time. mick million to mick jagger, £400 million to charity. not kids. what is charity. not my kids. what is this? sam? >> he's so many kids. >> well, he's got so many kids. i he wouldn't stretch, i mean, he wouldn't stretch, would it? >> exactly. probably isn't. >> exactly. he probably isn't. got time to kind of work out who to what really? to give. what has he really? he's about isn't he. he's got about 13, isn't he. i've lost. i've lost count, to be honest. he has. he's be honest. i'm sure he has. he's going to leave it all to charity. >> yeah. >> yeah. but >> yeah. but thing >> yeah. but thing is, >> yeah. but the thing is, i just think he's tight, and he would tight in death as he is would be tight in death as he is in life. i think he's. >> he's notoriously tight. >> he's notoriously tight. >> more than 400 >> he's worth more than 400 million. yeah he wouldn't. >> you think? yeah. >> you think? yeah. >> maybe he has more than 13 kids. >> and also i think it's supposed to be thing of supposed to be this thing of like, know, you incentivise like, you know, you incentivise your make own your offspring to make their own way in the world, but when you've surname like you've got a surname like jagger, really need. jagger, you don't really need. yeah don't need yeah yeah. you don't really need to kind of. >> jay jagger comes mind. >> jay jagger comes to mind. >> jay jagger comes to mind. >> they've done quite well. >> they've all done quite well. >> they'll be gutted. >> they'll be gutted. >> having claw >> they're not having to claw their are they? >> they're not having to claw the you're are they? >> they're not having to claw the you're right.> they? >> they're not having to claw theyou're right. he'sr? >> they're not having to claw

theyou're right. he's not dead >> you're right. he's not dead because he wasn't particularly generous to jerry hall. >> particularly. >> he wasn't particularly. he was never married to her. >> he was very, very ungallant. i felt to poor jerry, did i felt to poor jerry, she did well husband. well out of her last husband. >> kind up >> well, she's kind of made up in latter of her. in the latter stages of her. >> to rupert murdoch. >> rupert to rupert murdoch. >> rupert to rupert murdoch. >> it, me. yeah but >> you said it, not me. yeah but she's up. i think she got she's made up. i think she got a lot there. well, i'm sure she did. multi, multi. did. multi, multi, multi. millions big houses. yeah. >> no, sam, and are going >> no, sam, you and i are going to at the tory conference. i to be at the tory conference. i bet you can't wait. >> i'm going there on >> i'm going up there on saturday. are you arriving? >> going friday >> i'm going up friday night because friends. because some very old friends. because to avoid the because i'm trying to avoid the train chaos. because of course, rmt you're watching rmt if you're watching going on strike tory conference day in strike on tory conference day in manchester, with manchester, when you're with him, you him, word of warning, if you get an exclusive story, tell an exclusive story, don't tell him because he'll steal. >> a forest. >> he's got a forest. >> he's got a forest. >> there's great. he does. >> there's this great. he does. he there's this great story in >> there's this great story in the times diary. how this journalist going to journalist was going to interview was interview theresa may and was told ask about told he could only ask her about her chris blackhurst, who told he could only ask her about her to chris blackhurst, who told he could only ask her about her to leditor lackhurst, who told he could only ask her about her to leditor of:khurst, who told he could only ask her about her to leditor of the rst, who told he could only ask her about her to leditor of the evening used to be editor of the evening standard. and then he standard. and then when he bumped how bumped into lift, he said, how is going, prime is your day going, prime minister? she said, i'm sorry, is your day going, prime ministeronlyz said, i'm sorry, is your day going, prime ministeronly talkd, i'm sorry, is your day going, prime ministeronly talk to 'm sorry, is your day going, prime ministeronly talk to 'm sabout my shoes. >> well, that's that's just. well, on that note, ridiculous.

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